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Posted at 2:19 PM ET, 02/24/2011

Va. General Assembly agrees to regulate abortion clinics as hospitals

By Rosalind S. Helderman

The Virginia General Assembly has agreed that abortion clinics should be regulated as hospitals instead of physician's offices, a move that antiabortion activists have sought for almost two decades, insisting that it would improve clinic safety.

Abortion rights advocates say it will make the state one of the most restrictive for abortions in the country and could force as many as 17 of the state's 21 abortion clinics to close.

Gov. Robert F. McDonnell (R) has said he will sign the bill, which gives the state's Board of Health 280 days from the law's enactment to write new rules for clinics that perform at least five first-trimester abortions a month.

The bill's passage came as the Democratic-led state Senate voted 20 to 20 Thursday to approve the measure after a lengthy and emotional debate. The tie was broken by Lt. Gov. Bill Bolling (R), who cast his vote in favor of the bill. All 18 of the chamber's Republicans backed the bill, as did two conservative Democrats.

Antiabortion activists hailed the vote as the most significant victory they've achieved in Virginia in years. Abortion rights groups said they think the regulations will place an unconstitutional burden on a woman's ability to get an abortion in Virginia, and pledged to sue.

The practical impact of the vote will rest heavily on guidelines ultimately approved by the Virginia Board of Health. Tarina Keene, executive director of NARAL Pro-Choice Virginia, said she fears the worst, though the 15-member board is dominated by holdover appointments made by former Gov. Timothy M. Kaine (D).

She said future rules could dictate the width of hallways and doorways, impose new staffing requirements and govern laundry and food facilities, rules that would require renovations that many clinics would find cost-prohibitive.

"I'm not thinking best-case scenario. I'm thinking worst-case scenario," she said.

Antiabortion activists said those fears are overstated and insisted that they do not aim to shut down Virginia clinics.

Clinics that perform first-trimester abortions in Virginia are regulated similarly to doctor's offices in which colonoscopies and cosmetic surgery are conducted. Antiabortion activists have long said that clinics need stiffer rules, more like those imposed on outpatient ambulatory surgical centers.

In recent weeks, they have cited the case of a Philadelphia-area clinic recently shut down after authorities discovered a series of botched and illegal abortions; inspectors discovered containers of fetus parts.

In response, Pennsylvania Gov. Tom Corbett (R) fired state health department workers this month for not monitoring clinics more closely.

"These are health professionals who are going to promulgate appropriate regulations," said Family Foundation President Victoria Cobb, speaking about the state's Board of Health. "It's very typical of the other side that rather than fight what this bill does, they want to fight the biggest extreme of what this bill could be."

The vote breaks a longstanding stalemate on abortion issues in the Virginia General Assembly, where bills to impose new regulations on abortion clinics have for years been approved by the GOP-led House of Delegates but killed by a Senate committee stacked with abortion rights supporters.

Indeed, the Senate's Education and Health Committee has dispatched similar legislation this year. But in the waning days of this year's legislative session, scheduled to conclude Saturday, Republican House members were able to use a parliamentary procedure to force a rare vote of the full Senate on the issue.

On Monday, Republicans slid a surprise amendment dealing with the abortion issue into a bill that had been approved by the Senate that requires hospitals and nursing homes to write policies on infection control.

That sent the issue directly to the floor of the Senate, where several conservative Democrats have always warned their leadership that they would vote with Republicans if ever forced to take a position on an abortion issue.

In August, Virginia Attorney Gen. Ken T. Cuccinelli (R) issued a legal opinion indicating that he thought the state's Board of Health had the authority to regulate abortion clinics.

In the months since, however, the board has made no move to do so, and some antiabortion activists had been critical of McDonnell for not pressuring the board to do so.

Though McDonnell has not made abortion a major focus of his first 13 months in office, he was one of the legislature's most vocal voices in opposition to the procedure when he served in the Virginia House of Delegates. He has said he supports clinic regulations.

By Rosalind S. Helderman  | February 24, 2011; 2:19 PM ET
Categories:  General Assembly 2011, House of Delegates, Rosalind Helderman, State Senate  
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Comments

It would be useful to know what the regulations are in other states. Do most states regulate similar clinics as doctors office or as hospitals? A little perspective would help inform readers above the emotional political debate.

Posted by: jbindc | February 24, 2011 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Halls and door widths? give me a break... if this even comes up, not likely, moving the practice to a compliant office is the answer... they will not close.

Posted by: BruceFairfax | February 24, 2011 2:44 PM | Report abuse

If you and your spouse go to dinner once a week with another couple, does one couple decide where you eat every week? No. But that is what neo-conservatives believe - that they have a mandate to make all decisions, to control all aspects of life.

Posted by: TedfromRichmond | February 24, 2011 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Guess those doctors will take their money and taxes to another state. Like Maryland or DC.

Posted by: nichellieagee | February 24, 2011 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Guess those doctors will take their money and taxes to another state. Like Maryland or DC.

Posted by: nichellieagee | February 24, 2011 2:50 PM | Report abuse

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And this is bad?

Posted by: lingering_lead | February 24, 2011 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Oh, I know what you're going to say. "If you kill the mother, the fetus dies, too." But the fetus is going to be aborted anyway, so why not let it go down with the ship?

Posted by: 8-Man2 | February 24, 2011 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Cost prohibitive? Pfft, the Republican agrument is that clothes hangers are only $.99 a dozen at Wal-Mart...

Posted by: ozpunk | February 24, 2011 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Let's see, the Commonwealth has budget problems, receipt problems, job problems, transportation problems but a bunch of men have no problem dictating to women what they can and can't do with their bodies.

What's next? Obviously nothing to do with improving the status of the Commonwealth, that sounds much to logical.

Posted by: ArbeeIII | February 24, 2011 3:00 PM | Report abuse

I thought the GOP ran on creating jobs. Can someone tell me how this bill creates job. Looks like Virginia was once again snookered by the GOP by believing their line about job creation but all they're really interested in doing is legislating morality. No regulations for boardrooms but a heap of them for your bedroom.

Posted by: dre7861 | February 24, 2011 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Time to break out the coat hangers in Virginia!!

Posted by: Ve1ostrummer | February 24, 2011 3:06 PM | Report abuse

nichellieagee

dc's not a state

Posted by: daweeni | February 24, 2011 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Despite anyone's feelings on abortion itself, it is still a major medical procedure. The uterus is an extremely vascular organ and bleeding is a major concern in any procedure involving the uterus, especially with abortions. This is for the safety of the women. I fail to understand how pro-abortion activists see this as a bad thing. So what if they need to move their clinic to a building that is up-to-code, or have more safety procedures in place--it's for the improved safety of the patients. You'd think after all the bad press Planned Parenthood has received recently, that the pro-abortion groups would act a little more concerned about the women whose rights they're supposedly protecting.


BTW, 8-Man2, I love your quote. Hilarious movie. :)

Posted by: wineplease | February 24, 2011 3:09 PM | Report abuse

The far right marches on, assaulting all of us. The far right wants control over women's lives, decisions and bodies.

We -- women and men -- must fight against these reactionary, would-be dictators. They threaten all our hard-won liberties.

Posted by: jimsteinberg1 | February 24, 2011 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Um, Dre... abortion doesn't occur in bedrooms. It occurs in medical clinics. Performed by doctors and assisted by nurses. Anasthesia is used. We want abortion clinics to be regulated.

Posted by: lingering_lead | February 24, 2011 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Let's see, the Commonwealth has budget problems, ... but a bunch of men have no problem dictating to women what they can and can't do with their bodies.

What's next? Obviously nothing to do with improving the status of the Commonwealth, that sounds much to logical.

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Well, the General Assembly has female representatives, so it's not just men. I just don't know why people hate children so much.

Posted by: jflynn1 | February 24, 2011 3:10 PM | Report abuse

The far right marches on, assaulting all of us. The far right wants control over women's lives, decisions and bodies.

We -- women and men -- must fight against these reactionary, would-be dictators. They threaten all our hard-won liberties.

Posted by: jimsteinberg1 | February 24, 2011 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Keep your eye on the Birdie! The corporations steal trillions of dollars but don't look that way. Keep your eye on the Birdie!

Posted by: fare777 | February 24, 2011 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Hi BruceFairfax, the hallways question is absolutely key to shutting down a women's health clinic. Hospital hallways must be wide enough to accomodate emergency medical staff, gurnies, etc. Office buildings just aren't built that way. If doctors' offices must have hallways as wide as hospitals, they must rebuild or close. Mission accomplished!

Posted by: jb1151 | February 24, 2011 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Republicans are NOT "pro-life" - they KILL abortion doctors and repeal healthcare for children.
But they do love zygotes!

Posted by: angie12106 | February 24, 2011 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Suck it leftists! At least the dopey democrats didn't try to run away across state lines to avoid the vote..

Posted by: wewintheylose1 | February 24, 2011 3:19 PM | Report abuse

If I want an abortion I'm going to get it anyway, the mindset of totalitarians has no effect on me. My body, my rules, got it?

Posted by: fluxgirl | February 24, 2011 3:23 PM | Report abuse

As an independent, I'm cherishing the blatant hypocrisy from both sides of the aisle.

Democrats love job-killing regulations in the name of public safety but voted against this bill.

And Republicans are typically pro-business but voted for greater regulation on a niche service market.

I think we all can agree that the big winners will be the lawyers who are paid to represent clients *harmed* by abortion clinics that fail to meet the state-mandated regulations for door width, etc. This may not have the civil suit trolls licking their chops like the Americans with Disabilities Act did, but it's going to cost abortion clinics plenty. Costs which will be passed down to the customer. Once again, regulations cost the consumer hard earned money.

Posted by: millionea81 | February 24, 2011 3:25 PM | Report abuse

"Antiabortion activists said those fears are overstated and insisted that they do not aim to shut down Virginia clinics."

Do you expect us to actually believe that? You would shoot in cold blood an abortion provider and then call yourself pro-life.

Posted by: shewholives | February 24, 2011 3:29 PM | Report abuse

A transparent attempt to get around the fact that abortion is a legal medical procedure. Meanwhile, how many abortion opponents had more invasive plastic surgery procedures is doctor's offices in Virginia which are NOT regulated as "hospitals"?

Why, here's one about five miles down the street from where this vote took place:

http://www.richmondplasticsurgeons.com/facility.html

Posted by: ozma1 | February 24, 2011 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Regarding passing down the higher costs.... why shouldn't an abortion cost more than $350 - $500? Hell, my vasectomy cost $1,000. Penalizing good forethought, yet those who just practice the art of spread 'em and smile just get a slap on the proverbial wrist in terms of economic consequences.

Posted by: lingering_lead | February 24, 2011 3:36 PM | Report abuse

"We want abortion clinics to be regulated."

They ARE regulated. The same way other nonhospital medical facilities, like dentists' offices and certain plastic surgery facilities, are regulated. Antichoice activists are using this legislation to shut down clinics, and anyone who claims otherwise is either lying or ignorant.

Others have said it, but it's really astonishing how conservatives hate big government--until it comes to legislating the activities of anyone who isn't a straight white man.

Posted by: scarlet_begonia | February 24, 2011 3:38 PM | Report abuse

McDonnell and Corbett have just lost the ability to run for President and win in the general election.

Posted by: shewholives | February 24, 2011 3:41 PM | Report abuse

GOP - "Life is sacred 'till you're born, then you're on your own!"

Posted by: mikefromArlington | February 24, 2011 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Sit down, keep your knees together, and shut up leftists. There's a new sheriff in town..

Posted by: wewintheylose1 | February 24, 2011 3:44 PM | Report abuse

"Antiabortion activists said those fears are overstated and insisted that they do not aim to shut down Virginia clinics."

I completely agree with shewholives, and I would cite the statement above as compelling evidence there is no lie too brazen for these people to utter in support of their totalitarian mission. The Virginia General Assembly and Lt, Gov. Bolling are beneath contempt. Fellow Virginians, THESE PEOPLE HATE WOMEN. Go to the polls in November and get rid of them.

Posted by: GordonCash | February 24, 2011 3:47 PM | Report abuse

The American Taliban is at it again.

Of course, the THEIR daughter gets assaulted and impregnated, they'll fly her down to Mexico and get it taken care of... that's different!

Abortion on demand, without apology. It's a right.

Posted by: losthorizon10 | February 24, 2011 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Who was it that said "Elections have consequences"?

Majority rules...finally

Posted by: Straightline | February 24, 2011 3:49 PM | Report abuse

The WP: "Clinics that perform first-trimester abortions in Virginia are regulated similarly to doctor's offices in which colonoscopies and cosmetic surgery are conducted. Antiabortion activists have long said that clinics need stiffer rules, more like those imposed on outpatient ambulatory surgical centers."

I agree with this law. The morality of abortion aside, an abortion is an invasive surgical procedure. Therefore, abortion clinics should be regulated by the state in the same way hospitals and outpatient surgical clinics are regulated.

Posted by: liberalsareblind | February 24, 2011 3:53 PM | Report abuse

If you don't like it leftists, Maryland is just a short drive away. By all means, move..

Posted by: wewintheylose1 | February 24, 2011 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Given the logic, when is Virginia going to have greater over-sight on the gun industry in Virginia? Maybe a law that says background checks need to be made at gun shows? Wouldn't that be the logical equivalent? We "protect women" by forcing aboriton providers to provide a "safe" place to conduct a constitutionally protected procedure? WE should be able to "protect the public" (like those killed at VA Tech) by saying that people who purchase guns at gun shows need to go through a background check? Of course, I'm not holding my breadth...

Posted by: smith6 | February 24, 2011 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Are you familiar with the Padrone System which was exercised in the United States just after the idustrial revolution (approximately between 1850-1920)? It appears during this time, many immigrants were brought to this country for cheap labor, in particular, Italian Americans, hence the word padrone.

Padrone is an italian word which means "boss". These "bosses" were used to control and in some cases manipulate the illiterate immigrants. Stories such as being paid $40 for a year or even two years worth of work are documented.

As our country heads into the 21st century, it is important we as Americans have a better understanding of the events which have played a role on all immigrants. Certainly, mental health, is relative to one's overall health.

I believe it is important to become more familiar with US historical events. Knowledge is relevant and in some cases one might even be relative to one's mental health.

Due to the circumstances, I am not able to present proper evidence of human right violations, which were probably commonly exercised during this period. Please feel free to research this information on the interent, publications, and more importantly, official articles, such as the newspapers who would have published this during it's time period. Although, this information is not as easily attainable.

Furthermore, I have decided to post this information in all major newspapers across the United States, due to a lack of rights violations.

Posted by: mash6268 | February 24, 2011 3:56 PM | Report abuse

wewintheylose1 wrote: "Sit down, keep your knees together, and shut up leftists. There's a new sheriff in town.."

Well, wewintheylose, I'll at least give you credit for being honest. Everybody knows the real goal of the "pro-life" movement is to control women's sexuality, but most of you lie yourselves blue in the face with claims that you care about fetuses, or even more incredibly, have some respect for women as adults and citizens with legal rights.

Posted by: GordonCash | February 24, 2011 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Scared teabaggers and right wing loons, threatened that people are exercising their rights, once again show their contempt for our laws by using cheap subterfuge.

Abortion on demand, without apology to right wing Taliban-style cranks, who are trying to shove their nutty interpretation of the Bible onto the rest of us.

Posted by: losthorizon10 | February 24, 2011 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Congratulations Tea-baggers! Taliban Bob and Coat-hanger Cuccinelli have essentially outlawed abortion in Virginia. They are well aware that the clinics cannot afford to operate as hospitals.

Democratic Sens. Chuck Colgan of Prince William and Phillip Puckett of Russell County, voted with Republicans to approve the measure. Remember this next time you go to the polls.


Posted by: wiz_fan | February 24, 2011 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Republicans are NOT "pro-life" - they KILL abortion doctors and repeal healthcare for children.
But they do love zygotes!

Posted by: angie12106

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LMAO lefties say zygotes. Does it help your conscience not to refer to it as a fetus?

OH wait lefties and conscience? ....my bad.

Posted by: Straightline | February 24, 2011 4:01 PM | Report abuse

If you leftists think this is harsh, wait until 2012 when we win the White House, and the Senate. Say nite nite to Roe v. Wade leftists! Bwahahhahahhahhahaha!

Posted by: wewintheylose1 | February 24, 2011 4:02 PM | Report abuse

how about telling us what the difference is between being run as a doctor's office and being run as a hospital? How does this affect abortions??? You know, reporting the FACTS.
Can't really comment.

Posted by: hebe1 | February 24, 2011 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Abortion is murder, plain and simple.

Posted by: goodlife2 | February 24, 2011 4:08 PM | Report abuse

This will make obtaining abortions even more difficult for low income girls. Having to come up with three to five hundred dollars was hard enough. This regulation will bring back the self service days of drugs and wire coat hangers. I do not support abortions but I believe in safe choices. Virginia opened a can of worms.

Posted by: skinfreak | February 24, 2011 4:09 PM | Report abuse

If you and your spouse go to dinner once a week with another couple, does one couple decide where you eat every week? No. But that is what neo-conservatives believe - that they have a mandate to make all decisions, to control all aspects of life.

Posted by: TedfromRichmond | February 24, 2011 2:46 PM | Report abuse

If you and your spouse go to dinner once a week with another couple, does the other couple get to kill you if they don't feel like paying for your meal?

Posted by: DreamOutLoud | February 24, 2011 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Abortion is murder; plain and simple.

Posted by: goodlife2 | February 24, 2011 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Don't want a baby?

Use birth control.

Accident with the birth control?

OK. Fine.

Then take a pill ASAP to stop the precious little fetus from growing inside you.

Take action BEFORE you get pregnant. Don't wait til the third term to make up your female mind.

Don't worry about what the Pope or GOP say. Screw 'em.

Posted by: TaxiDriver | February 24, 2011 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Are you leftists on the right side of any issue?

Posted by: wewintheylose1 | February 24, 2011 4:14 PM | Report abuse

I am a supporter of choice, but I don't understand the backlash on requiring good regulations. In fact, I am waiting for parental consent for those 16 and under to be passed in every state. That makes total sense to me. I hope that fellow "choice" believers come to accept this. We're no longer in the 70s when young women had nothing available to them in terms of knowledge, protection, etc. Get with the 21st century. Kids are knowledgeable and they know the consequences. The entire Planned Parenthood paradigm has changed.

Posted by: lch_dc | February 24, 2011 4:17 PM | Report abuse

wewintheylose... is this like a football game for you? "Yeah... we win!!!!" No matter what side of the debate you are on this is a serious issue with so many complications. Although I disagree with what the VA govt has done I can still see and respect the pro-life position and I can see why those who feel abortion is murder would be happy with what happened. However, to use this as a chance to "spike the football" is just disgusting.

Posted by: smith6 | February 24, 2011 4:21 PM | Report abuse

This is so upsetting. There is no need for these "regulations"--all it will do is close these clinics. Closing the clinics mean that there will be more unwanted children who will increase demands on all those programs that Republicans want to limit. So, in essence, it seems that all the General Assembly has done is create more problems for themselves down the line. Nicely done!

Posted by: marxievontrapp | February 24, 2011 4:24 PM | Report abuse

I am happy about this; not because I am the typical "pro-lifer" but because the decision to have an abortion is one sided. It takes two to conceive, it should take two to dissolve. The father has no rights under current abortion laws; yet they are expected to pay child support when the women keeps the child. Sorry, but if you feminists want equal rights then it has to be equal. If both want the child, GREAT! If no, then the other party needs to sign away their parental rights and not be held finacially responsible. If it is to be totaly your choice, then absorb ALL the consequences and responsibilities and do not hold the man accountable when he clearly does not want the child due to his "right to choose".

Posted by: ace21lv | February 24, 2011 4:24 PM | Report abuse

From what I've learned from the various referral lists I've been provided over the years and my observations, "abortion clinics" are most frequently located in dim, drab, run-down office buildings, in no way appropriate for minor surgery, (which this is). Rules about door width and such have to do with safety and emergency access. Laundry? Sanitation. In no way do these offices resemble places where one might go to get cosmetic surgery or a colonoscopy. Quite frankly, you shouldn't recieve those services but in a hospital or ambulatory surgery center, either. People, wake up. Even "minor" surgery has risks, including death. Don't fool yourself into thinking that just because it's a "clinic", that it's safe. Let's also not forget that by no means are all abortions performed in abortion clinics. To suggest that new regulations will "shut down" the practice is nonsense and fear-mongering.

Posted by: spazmazilla | February 24, 2011 4:29 PM | Report abuse

score one for the USA Taliban. They are why most of the near future science fiction books are dystopias

Posted by: pvogel88 | February 24, 2011 4:40 PM | Report abuse

So sad, all of it. No one's right.

Posted by: HookedOnThePost | February 24, 2011 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Anti-abortionists are odious, lying, hypocritical pigs. They are loathsome and primitive; their religious beliefs are an embarrassment to us all. While they moan and groan about other women's bodies and their choices, the same ugly, hateful people wouldn't lift a finger to help a young mother raise a child she didn't want and can't afford. They applaud murder.

I fought this battle decades ago; it makes sick to my stomach to see all this lizards crawl out from the dark place where they dwell to restart their war on women.

Whatever god their worship, it isn't my god. They are ignorant. They can take their religious superstitions and shove them.

Posted by: Casey1 | February 24, 2011 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Hypocrisy Watch!!!

"Hypocrisy is the state of pretending to have beliefs, opinions, virtues, feelings, qualities, or standards that one does not actually have. Hypocrisy involves the deception of others and is thus a kind of lie."

The only people whose lives will be changed by this are the poor and the vanishing middle class. The rich and their children and mistresses/lovers will still get their abortions whenever they want!

The only people help by this will be those sanctimonious Christians who want to manage everyone's life for them and who squall like babies when someone dare infringe on their right to have their churches and pastors pay no taxes on their income while still enjoying the benefits of government provided roads, snow plows, police and fire protection, etc.

The same sanctimonious Christians can feel warm and fussy that that have saved the lives of the unborn while they never adopt unwanted and abused children, never make substantiated contributions to real homes for orphans a/or abused women.

If there is a God then they will never pass through the gates into heaven but plunge into the fiery pits of hell.

If they think that the good governor and his attorney GENERAL really care about this then they are double stupid; for the governor and his AG this is all about politics - about getting fools to vote for them so they can get power and money!


So be it, baby!

Posted by: dotto | February 24, 2011 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Another example of Republican ideology run amok. Don't bother to examine the facts, just pass the laws that are true to their principles, regardless of who suffers.
It beats me why anyone would vote for the Republican party. Politics of exclusion dominate their agenda. Their main concern is winning the next election. Ideological zelots are well and good in the Grand Olde Party.

Posted by: 189AROD | February 24, 2011 4:49 PM | Report abuse

And the Leftists are aghast having discovered a government regulation that they aren't in love with!!! LOL

Posted by: JustJoe3 | February 24, 2011 4:52 PM | Report abuse

smoke and mirrors, they know people will get amped up over this. what else was passed through the assembly that is not making the news?

Posted by: lorac58 | February 24, 2011 4:56 PM | Report abuse

It is time that the fundamentalists in Richmond stopped shoving their religious views on the entire state. We have a Constitution that prevents that and states do not have the authority to overrule the US Constitution, regardless of what the fundamentalist republicans think. This is what happens when good and intelligent people do not vote. Always vote and remember that the rpublicans cannot be trusted.

Posted by: grf67 | February 24, 2011 4:59 PM | Report abuse

This place is comedic gold. Just listen to yourselves. Half of you are still stuck in 1973, along the front lines of the women's liberation movement. The other half is just plain crazy. I suspect you just jump around from topic to topic flinging poo and casting generalizations about the GOP. It's funny, you've become the same people you abhor. The spite and venom is just appalling.

Posted by: lingering_lead | February 24, 2011 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Here we go back to the future! When I was growing up in the Old Dominion rich girls went to NYC to get their abortions and poor girls either got infected from a witch doctor abortion or lived in shame and poverty for the rest of their lives- Oh Boy! I guess when you elect a governor with a law degree from a match cover- Oops I mean Regent University- you get what you deserve!

Posted by: FamFiz | February 24, 2011 5:15 PM | Report abuse

How come Republicans and bible-thumpers are so consistently sleazy?

Don't like the law? Just change a definition, then bury the clinics under nit-picking regulations.

The right wing is a blight on our country and on progress.

Posted by: info53 | February 24, 2011 5:26 PM | Report abuse

Are pro-abortion supporters against creating safer medical environments? How many clinics are impacted by this? Are the 17 of 21 really far out of compliance or is this manipulation of statistics to blow it out of proportion? What time frame is given to bring a building up to compliance? Are there any regulations in this that are unreasonable for a medical facility?

As for the "regulated similarly to doctor's offices in which colonoscopies and cosmetic surgery", it seems that these procedures differ in complexity and the resources higher. I guess I always figured abortion clinics were operated under standards at least that of a surgery center. I'd think that abortion supporters would actually welcome regulations that created a safer environment but the comments appear to oppose a safer environment.

Posted by: jim_maryland | February 24, 2011 5:26 PM | Report abuse

Anyone who thinks abortion clinics do not need to regulated as ambulatory surgical centers MUST read the indictment of the "doctor" in Philadelphia who killed many of his patients, both women and newly born:

http://www.phila.gov/districtattorney/PDFs/GrandJuryWomensMedical.pdf

Posted by: homeschool4joy | February 24, 2011 5:32 PM | Report abuse

So it's OK to have a face lift or tummy tuck in an office regulated as a "clinic" but it's not OK to have an abortion? If you're using their reasoning - that Virginia is looking out for the safety of patients undergoing medical procedures - then offices that perform plastic surgery procedures should be under the same rules as the ones they propose for abortion clnics. But we all know that's not the real reason behind this legislation.

Posted by: aquariusmoon20 | February 24, 2011 5:33 PM | Report abuse

Old Cuchi doesn't like government interference unless it pertains to a woman's body. Once again, on the wrong side of the debate, Virginia.

Posted by: harmsjk | February 24, 2011 5:36 PM | Report abuse

Why don't they just do abortions in hospitals?

Posted by: duhneese | February 24, 2011 5:37 PM | Report abuse

Go for it Virginia!!! Make women have children they are not ready to have or cannot afford!!! Then cut off all low income aid that would go to support those children you made those women have. Punish the moms and kids to the limit of your ability! Note to women...exercise your right to say NO....stop letting men have intercourse with you. You pay the price for pregnancy, not them.

Posted by: nsoble | February 24, 2011 6:01 PM | Report abuse

Amazing how fast lefties can spin around to become free-market deregulators for their pet industries ...

Posted by: Illini | February 24, 2011 6:03 PM | Report abuse

Regarding passing down the higher costs.... why shouldn't an abortion cost more than $350 - $500? Hell, my vasectomy cost $1,000. Penalizing good forethought, yet those who just practice the art of spread 'em and smile just get a slap on the proverbial wrist in terms of economic consequences.

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Or they get an unwanted child to support, or to turn over to the state to support--costs a lot more than a vasectomy.

Posted by: loco71 | February 24, 2011 6:06 PM | Report abuse

After the nightmare murdering freak abortionist in PA who kept jars of baby feet as trophies in his office...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/19/kermit--gosnell-charged_n_810976.html

I don't think the status quo should stand.

Taxpayers funding infanticide at the LMAO "planned parenthood" abortion mills across this country (most located in minority neighborhoods) whether the want to or not.

Since the dems took the legislative majority in 06 and the White House in 08 it has become very clear that the left is not responsible enough to have a say in matters of humanity and finance.

Allen West in 2012!

Posted by: Straightline | February 24, 2011 6:09 PM | Report abuse

aquariusmoon20 said:
"then offices that perform plastic surgery procedures should be under the same rules as the ones they propose for abortion clnics."

==> I'd support cosmetic procedures under the same regulations. In fact, I'm surprised that many cosmetic procedures aren't done in surgical centers. I could see minor things (botox for example) in a less strict environment, but a nose job should be done in a surgical center. I've had my nose corrected (deviated septum and turbinates sp?) and had complications during the procedure. Fortunately the center was equipped like a hospital surgery room and had the staff needed. I'm not so sure that I would want to risk something so drastic in an environment where the risk is so high.

Posted by: jim_maryland | February 24, 2011 6:12 PM | Report abuse

How many women have died or sustained injury as a result of abortions in existing clinics?

It would seem if this were a problem - sufficient to close 17 of the 21 clinics in the state, the WaPo would have reported this.

I'm concerned that this legislation has nothing to do with health and safety of the woman, but another Cuccinelli/McDonnell tactic to sneak a peak into the bedrooms of the people of the Commonwealth.

Posted by: asmith1 | February 24, 2011 6:17 PM | Report abuse

aquariusmoon20 said:
"then offices that perform plastic surgery procedures should be under the same rules as the ones they propose for abortion clnics."


Cosmetic surgery doesn't involve a fetus. If the General Assembly is truly concerned about health and safety for patients this legislation should apply to ALL clinic and Doctor Office surgeries.

Oral Surgery can be very invasive. Shall we move that to hospitals, along with cosmetic surgery.

Posted by: asmith1 | February 24, 2011 6:21 PM | Report abuse

Is there a website where we can see who voted yes and no?

Posted by: niceshoes1 | February 24, 2011 6:28 PM | Report abuse

Being against abortion is not being "far right." It's a matter of simple morals and choice -- it's moral to preserve life, not take it; and it's choice for the unborn baby to decide whether he/she lives or not once he/she is born. Abortion takes away the unborn child's choice. The unborn child is also not part of the mother's body; he/she is in the mother's body but has his/her own distinct DNA and body.

Posted by: exastrologer | February 24, 2011 6:44 PM | Report abuse

Once again Virginia climbs its way back to the 1950's. You people in that state are so stupid to keep voting for people who continue to take away your rights and push the envelope as far as they can. Last I checked abortion is legal in the US and these tactics just make that law a farce for you. Please ask yourself this question what have the republicans ever done for you in the middle class there? And when you cant answer that question maybe then you will understand. All I can say is thanks to Montgomery, PG, and Baltimore City for keeping Maryland blue and free from these nut jobs taking away your rights. Proud to be Blue!

Posted by: shschwarz | February 24, 2011 6:55 PM | Report abuse

The saddest aspect shown by this bill's passage is that it confirms the large number of Americans who are as ignorant about reproductive biology as the TOTALLY ignorant Dark Ages Vatican.
The NOTION that a fertilized human egg, blastula, gastrula or embryo with NO BRAIN is a human BABY with a soul is, in a word, STUPID!

To believe that use of contraceptives is a sin is equally STUPID crap from an age when many illnesses were considered due to take over by daemons! Can you SWALLOW that the Roman Catholic Church STILL believes that?
Geeze!

Posted by: lufrank1 | February 24, 2011 7:03 PM | Report abuse

Let's cut the B.S. This was never intended to "make clinics safer", it was designed to make it so expensive to bring the buildings up to the standard that they would have to close.

Like it or not, abortion clinics are "out-patient" facilities. There is no more justification for requiring them to meet "hospital" standards than it is to require a doctor's or dentist's office to do so.

This regulation is the equivalent of requiring every car repair shop to meet the standards of a car manufacturing plant, or requiring every homeowner to install curbs and paint lane stripes on his driveway. It is absolutely nonsensical, and serves only to further burden a woman's ability to obtain legal medical care.

Posted by: alert4jsw | February 24, 2011 7:06 PM | Report abuse

Carry us back to ole virginny....back alleys don't meet any health regulations.

Posted by: changeisconstant | February 24, 2011 7:42 PM | Report abuse

That would be called "rationing health care."

I thought right-wingers were against rationing health care? I thought their method was simply to defund a program and throw thousands out of work and thousands more into poverty.

The longer thyis crap goes on the more convinced I become that 21st century right-wingers are just like the mullahs in Kazakstan. They are fighting a war against civilization and time itself.

Righties, the world grew up. You didn't. The genie is out of the bottle and you cannot un-invent gun powder any more than we on the left can erase this unending 30-year-long nightmare imposed on us by the Reaganites.

Posted by: PoliticalPrisoner2012 | February 24, 2011 8:20 PM | Report abuse

The Maryland Senate authorizes the gay marriage bill. Virginia does this. MD progresses, VA takes a step backward to becoming the quintessentially Southern backwater it once was...

Posted by: one4all | February 24, 2011 8:24 PM | Report abuse

Ah yes. The party of smaller government and less government intrusion in personal lives. Right?

Posted by: pjohn3 | February 24, 2011 8:45 PM | Report abuse

So technically then, Virginia is now officially a right wing theocratic oligarchy. Okay, that should really be a great attraction for business and middle America.

Posted by: vztownes | February 24, 2011 8:53 PM | Report abuse

They're all about taking people's rights away.

All that stuff about a "jobs agenda" was just a pile of lies. All these meatheads care about is fetus worship. It's sick, and their social extremism is disgusting.

Anyone who votes for the GOP is a fool.

Posted by: Nymous | February 24, 2011 8:55 PM | Report abuse

How does this create jobs in Virginia?

Posted by: SuzNats | February 24, 2011 9:04 PM | Report abuse

If you leftists think this is harsh, wait until 2012 when we win the White House, and the Senate. Say nite nite to Roe v. Wade leftists! Bwahahhahahhahhahaha!

Posted by: wewintheylose1
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wewintheylose1 does this means you can continue to have sex with your sister????

Posted by: waxtraxs | February 24, 2011 9:04 PM | Report abuse

RE: "The NOTION that a fertilized human egg, blastula, gastrula or embryo with NO BRAIN is a human BABY with a soul is, in a word, STUPID!"

Did the legislation talk about souls? One doesn't really have to believe in souls to find it offensive that developing human entities are legally destroyed.

I started out as one cell and now have 10tn+. I had little self-control for a few years after birth. My developed sense of "I" probably didn't kick in until some time later A mature sense of "I" and awareness of the ability to think came years after that. And the current "I" and its related quality of life reached the level it has now after college/grad school and economic independence.

I wonder when I became a human being in this process. I think it's kind of arbitrary that I only became human at birth, or at the point of viability. Infants look cute but they're not like any other stage of human life which we value and they're not viable on their own.

I'd say infants only become human when they can talk or maybe when they are capable of remembering things. Or perhaps when they are capable of self-sufficiency. How about that?

Until then, they're just a growing collection of cells with no value and not worthy of legal protection. It's only sentimentalism which makes it illegal to destroy infants, isn't it? The whole pro-choice movement seems mired in fuzzy emotionalism to me.

Posted by: Matthew_DC | February 24, 2011 9:05 PM | Report abuse

Control of women is the basis of this, with the core being religious beliefs. It is the same type of idea that a corporation is a human being. In this case, a clump of cells is a human being. Men, who will never bear a child and may never even support their own child, vote to impose great hardship on both the mother and the unwanted child. Its pathetic.

Posted by: drzimmern1 | February 24, 2011 9:15 PM | Report abuse

Virginia = Mississpppi.

Posted by: 12345leavemealone | February 24, 2011 9:17 PM | Report abuse

The picture that runs with this article says it all.

Three guys yuck'n it up, have never lived through a menstrual cycle in their lives, probably couldn't tell you the difference between a miscarriage, spontaneous abortion, D&C, or why these are unfortunately sometimes medically necessary.

These guys, never think twice about regulating their own equipment.

The fact that abortion is a logical impossibility but for them, never occurs to them.

They want to regulate other people's bodies....in much the same way that you accuse Dems of wanting to spend other people's money.

You call yourself Republicans.

What a joke.

Posted by: brng | February 24, 2011 9:37 PM | Report abuse

Republicans want to regulate something?!

How about actually enforcing OSHA in all med/dental offices and clinics...stop wasting our time.

Posted by: southbeach19 | February 24, 2011 9:46 PM | Report abuse

------------ Hypocrisy Watch -------------

"Hypocrisy is the state of pretending to have beliefs, opinions, virtues, feelings, qualities, or standards that one does not actually have. Hypocrisy involves the deception of others and is thus a kind of lie."

The only people whose lives will be changed by this are the poor and the vanishing middle class. The rich and their children and mistresses/lovers will still get their abortions whenever they want!

The only people helped by this will be those sanctimonious Christians who want to manage everyone's life for them and who scream like babies when someone dares to infringe on their right to have their churches and pastors pay no taxes on their income while still enjoying the benefits of government provided roads, snow plows, police and fire protection, etc.

They want control over the lives of others but resit like daemons any attempt by the the government (citizens as a collection) to exercise any sorts of oversights over their activities.


The same sanctimonious Christians can feel warm and fussy that that have saved the lives of the unborn and yet they never adopt unwanted and abused children, never make substantiated contributions to real homes for orphans and/or abused women. When they start adopting all of those children that they want born without respect to anything else then they might have some moral standing. When they stop being arm chair Christians then their voice might be worth listening to.

If there is a God then these Christians will never pass through the gates of heaven but will plunge into the fiery pits of hell. If the God that they claim to worship and adore really exists they they had best worry about their immortal souls and the fiery plunge.

If they [the Christian right]think that the good governor and his attorney GENERAL really care about abortion then they are doubly stupid; for the governor and his AG this is all about politics - about getting fools to vote for them so they can get power and money!

When the good legislators in the VA general assembly have to get abortions for their mistresses they are not worried; they will just send them out of the country for a little vacation while the little girl who gets raped by some pervert has to bear the child and suffer a destroyed life for all her days.

Virginia you make us proud!

So be it, baby!

Posted by: dotto | February 24, 2011 9:52 PM | Report abuse

It takes two to make a fetus. Any law making abortion prohibitive for a woman - thereby sentencing her to the years of sacrifice that come with parenthood, giving her no choice - should include a mandate that the father has no choice but to support his child for at least 18 years. When a male takes a risk having unprotected sex as does a female the demand for abortions will drop dramatically.

Posted by: deemontgomery1 | February 24, 2011 9:54 PM | Report abuse

Will the GOP ever show as much concern for the living as it does for the unborn?

Posted by: JPRS | February 24, 2011 10:00 PM | Report abuse

Virginia is getting whackier by the month. The Republicans think it is OK to allow people to carry concealed weapons, but they want to control where abortions are done. They don't care about children (education, food, housing, health care, etc. not to mention safe neighborhoods where ordinary people do not carry guns) but they do care about forcing women to pay more for abortions.

As others have said, abortions are not the only invasive surgeries performed in clinics. Why craft a law that targets abortions specifically? This is shameless pandering to the far right. The Republicans have made it clear that they don't care about Virginia's big issues: the unemployment rate, the budget issues, the environment, etc? No, they would rather preen over their concern for the unborn.

Posted by: Whazzis | February 24, 2011 10:17 PM | Report abuse

For any of you who even thinks abortion is okay - please read:
http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/__P1C.HTM
If you don't believe this there's a good chance you're already his.
May God have mercy on your soul. Don't take the road Judas took.

Posted by: SaintFrancis | February 25, 2011 9:17 AM | Report abuse

It gives me chills when the head of Planned Parenthood (A private corporation that makes money from terminating fetus’) tells the news that their 90 percent of their clinics can't meet the minimum standard for a hospital. Planned Parenthood is full of it:
1. There primary emphasis is to convince women to terminate the fetus and not any other options.
2. Termination of a fetus is not the same as a vaccination.
3. And all the clinics should meet at standard to prevent endangering the life of their patient.
4. Why should Planned Parenthood have less regulation than a Spay Neuter Clinic?

Posted by: craigmath2002 | February 25, 2011 9:46 AM | Report abuse

For those of you arguing against this from a dollars and cents point of view (which is just weird all by itself), do not worry too much. If there is a strong enough market for killing babies, the elastic demand will kick in and the businesses will stick around.

From a jobs standpoint, this is a boon for designers, engineers, and construction companies, who will now have more work designing and building upgraded clinics to meet the new regulations. Plus all the fees associated with new plans approval, building permits, inspections, licensing etc.

Posted by: Cletus_P | February 25, 2011 9:48 AM | Report abuse

II. THE FALL OF THE ANGELS

391 Behind the disobedient choice of our first parents lurks a seductive voice, opposed to God, which makes them fall into death out of envy.266 Scripture and the Church's Tradition see in this being a fallen angel, called "Satan" or the "devil".267 The Church teaches that Satan was at first a good angel, made by God: "The devil and the other demons were indeed created naturally good by God, but they became evil by their own doing."268

392 Scripture speaks of a sin of these angels.269 This "fall" consists in the free choice of these created spirits, who radically and irrevocably rejected God and his reign. We find a reflection of that rebellion in the tempter's words to our first parents: "You will be like God."270 The devil "has sinned from the beginning"; he is "a liar and the father of lies".271

393 It is the irrevocable character of their choice, and not a defect in the infinite divine mercy, that makes the angels' sin unforgivable. "There is no repentance for the angels after their fall, just as there is no repentance for men after death."272

394 Scripture witnesses to the disastrous influence of the one Jesus calls "a murderer from the beginning", who would even try to divert Jesus from the mission received from his Father.273 "The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the works of the devil."274 In its consequences the gravest of these works was the mendacious seduction that led man to disobey God.

395 The power of Satan is, nonetheless, not infinite. He is only a creature, powerful from the fact that he is pure spirit, but still a creature. He cannot prevent the building up of God's reign. Although Satan may act in the world out of hatred for God and his kingdom in Christ Jesus, and although his action may cause grave injuries - of a spiritual nature and, indirectly, even of a physical nature - to each man and to society, the action is permitted by divine providence which with strength and gentleness guides human and cosmic history. It is a great mystery that providence should permit diabolical activity, but "we know that in everything God works for good with those who love him."275

Posted by: SaintFrancis | February 25, 2011 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: niceshoes1 | February 25, 2011 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Who made these people gods? The right to life isn't doing the children already here of no value. Why do we have foster care? We have plenty of children in this country now that need moms and dads. The right to lifers need to take care of these first before they go shouting about the children who may or may not make it into this world. Have the right to lifers adopted any of the children present in the world now. Give me a break, when men start having and taking care of children then they can have a say. I say it's time to take it to the streets and fight for the present living children. Where are you so called godly people when children are molested, sold into slavery, or abused? There is just something wrong with half truths and arogance. Where are you when women are raped and murder? We should be worry about the folks on the planet now. How are you going to feed all these people in our nation and on the planet? Are you afraid there will be no more white people in America?

Passion with the Present Living
Calif

Posted by: dankydodevil | February 26, 2011 5:24 PM | Report abuse

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