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The Case Against Ivins: DNA, E-Mails and a Poem

POSTED: 04:35 PM ET, 08/ 6/2008 by Derek Kravitz

Federal authorities today unsealed some of the evidence collected against Bruce E. Ivins, the Fort Detrick, Md., bioweapons researcher who died in an apparent suicide after being told he was the prime suspect in the 2001 anthrax attacks.

The documents, posted on the Department of Justice's Web site this afternoon, include a volume of circumstantial and trace evidence. The file explains how investigators used advanced DNA testing to link Ivins to a particular strain of anthrax; documented his late-night hours in the lab directly before the letters were mailed; and found Web postings in which Ivins spouted his distaste for the media and other organizations, The Post's Carrie Johnson, Marilyn W. Thompson and William Branigin report.

Some of the more unusual revelations revolve around Ivins's e-mail exchanges with friends, which run the gamut from sincere letters about his struggles with mental illness and psychotropic medications to angry rants about the Sept. 11 attacks, language that investigators claim is close to that used in the anthrax-laden letters mailed across the country from a New Jersey mailbox.

In one e-mail from April 2000, he told a friend that he occasionally becomes "dizzy and get this unidentifiable 'metallic' taste in my mouth. (I'm not trying to be funny, (redacted name). It actually scares me a bit.)"

In another e-mail from June 2000, Ivins wrote: "Even with the Celexa and the counseling, the depression episodes still come and go. That's unpleasant enough. What is REALLY scary is the paranoia."

A few months later, Ivins wrote: "It's hard enough sometimes controlling my behavior. When I'm being eaten alive inside, I always try to put on a good front here at work and at home, so I don't spread the pestilence...I get incredibly paranoid, delusional thoughts at times, and there's nothing I can do until they go away."

In the next few months, leading up to the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, Ivins' e-mail exchanges include discussions about his work on creating an Anthrax vaccine. Then, four days after the Sept. 11 attacks, Ivins wrote: "I am incredibly sad and angry at what happened, now that it has sunk in. Sad for all of the victims, their families, their friends. And angry. Very angry. Angry at those who did this, who support them, who coddle them, and who excuse them."

In an e-mail on Sept. 26, 2001, Ivins wrote: "Osama Bin Laden has just decreed death to all Jews and all Americans" -- language that federal agents pointed out was similar to the text found in the anthrax letters that warns: "DEATH TO AMERICA," "DEATH TO ISRAEL."

One of the stranger communiques cited by the investigators is a poem Ivins wrote to a friend in December 2001:

"I'm a little dream-self, short and stout.
I'm the other half of bruce -- when he lets me out.
When I get all steamed up, I don't pout.
I push Bruce aside, them I'm free to run about!

Hickory dickory Doc -- Doc Bruce ran up the clock.
But something then happened in very strange rhythm.
His other self went and exchanged placed with him.
So now, please guess who
Is conversing with you.
Hickory dickory Doc!

Bruce and this other guy, sitting by some trees,
Exchanging personalities.
It's like having two in one.
Actually it's rather fun!"

By Derek Kravitz |  August 6, 2008; 4:35 PM ET
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How could Ivins or any other person under active investigation for years for terrorism keep his security clearance, enabling him to retain access to the US government's prime anthrax research facility?

Since the FBI knew that Ivins had just been hospitalized for depression in a psychiatric ward, why didn't the FBI put him in protective custody under suicide watch?

Doubtless that its a pure coincidence that two of the top antrax experts of the West died by "suicide" just as Kennedy's alleged assassin was himself assassinated in the basement of the Dallas cops by a strip join operator who blew right through police security.

On the other hand, prudent folks might well wonder about these convenient deaths...

These are obvious questions. Will the WasPo bother to investigate or will it just transcribe the official "explanations"?

Posted by: patriot | August 6, 2008 6:20 PM

Poor guy was psychotic. Sad. There just isnt much help out there for peole like him. Now if it was Aids or Breast Cancer or some other trendy illness maybe he would of gotten some help but mental illness is a sad lonely often overlooked illness.

O well

Posted by: pielime | August 6, 2008 6:57 PM

And this is supposed to be proof of what? That under the pressure of surveillance the guy might crack even if innocent? So far, the only solid evidence is that the strain of anthrax seems to have come from his lab. No evidence he was the only one with access. Otherwise you have a very sad story which I suppose substitutes for a plausible motive. Coverage of this story is good in parts, awful in parts.

Posted by: seller11 | August 6, 2008 7:03 PM

you know the men in black could've killed him and staged a suicide. you know in order to keep him from talking.

but more likey he was a depressed, angry person. never doubt the power and destruction a person that is angry and depressed can do. we've got a lot of examples in american history that can prove this.

it's sad the FBI doesn't keep better track of their staff.

Posted by: michael day | August 6, 2008 7:09 PM

how do they explain...

the boca raton florida case... september 19th ...the first letter... the letter addressed to Jennifer Lopez containing a Star of David and a bluish powder taht arrived in the Sun's mailroom in the American Media headquarters?

i guess Dr. Ivins had a hardon for Jennifer Lopez?

Posted by: frank | August 6, 2008 7:10 PM

I am sickened by how weak this case appears to be. His mental illness combined with an immense amount of misdirected pressure from the FBI appears to have driven him to take the only form of control he had in his life. That OF his life.

Shame on you FBI. You owe the American public far more than these circumstantial cases you like to bring. You knew you had a weak case, so you shook him down to persuade him into taking a plea deal to save his family from more pain.

Posted by: johan | August 6, 2008 7:16 PM

well i guess we can close the file on this one; what with the irrefutable evidence and all.

Posted by: H | August 6, 2008 7:19 PM

FBI can get back to denying any Saudi connection to 9/11 or terror financing before 9/11. Its interesting how the FBI could clear so many Saudis to leave the US after 9/11 so quickly.

Posted by: Old Atlantic | August 6, 2008 7:33 PM

Well it does appear he did it but is that really enough evidence to close the investigation.... smells a little fishy to me.

Posted by: Ean | August 6, 2008 7:34 PM

It's hard to know the truth. Perhaps we will never find out. However, I find it increbibly telling that the government's case to the American people once more plays on their fears. In this case it is the fear of the mentally ill. Whether Ivins is guilty or not, the truth is that the overwhelming majority of those suffering mental illness are victims rather than perpetuators of crime. Their victimization is so high as to be a national shame.

Posted by: Dennis R. White | August 6, 2008 7:35 PM

[quote]In an e-mail on Sept. 26, 2001, Ivins wrote: "Osama Bin Laden has just decreed death to all Jews and all Americans" -- language that federal agents pointed out was similar to the text found in the anthrax letters that warns: "DEATH TO AMERICA," "DEATH TO ISRAEL."[/quote]

I thought federal investigators had some sort of skill or something... like months of training and stuff. This sounds like some kind of running joke right out of a south park episode!

Posted by: Jon Davis | August 6, 2008 7:37 PM

well, this doesn't prove anything.. very disappointing reporting by the Washington Post.

Posted by: Misinformation | August 6, 2008 7:42 PM

Does Ives handwriting remotely resemeble those on the mailed letters? Did your reporter ask this question?

Posted by: start with a good question | August 6, 2008 7:42 PM

Ok. This may sound crazy too, but here's what came together for me.

Someone needs to look into if Ivins was in financial trouble at the time of the mail incidents...
If so, here's how I think it plays out...

I was reminded yesterday that the Admin linked the Anthrax letters to Iraq, NOT Al Queda. This usefully broadened the fear base enormously.

In light of the info that Bush knew for certain that there were no WMD in Iraq before the invasion (Suskind); that the plan to invade Iraq was hatched way before Bush was President, and
the Admin needed to create a stronger "fear" link to Iraq to further validate the WMD lie and the invasion...

Perfect timing.

If Ivins was in financial trouble, (and I'm sure the CIA/FBI was well aware of his fragile psyche) they paid him to send the letters, to further their above ultimate goal - invade Iraq.

If my money theory is true, he was screwed either way. If he told the truth about his complicity, he would be written off as unstable; if he rode with it, he would be blamed for it.

Maybe he was going to out them, so they offed him? Maybe he couldn't stand the shame of his deeds and he committed suicide.

I think there's a LOT more investigative digging needed here.
As they say, "Follow the money..."

Posted by: Snixiby | August 6, 2008 7:44 PM

This case was/is nothing more than a circumstantial witch-hunt, particularly in light of the fact that one of Ivins' co-workers, Dr. Phillip Zackerie, was dismissed for harassing an Arabic co-worker and caught on videotape entering and exiting the Ft. Detrick storage facility (where the strain is known to have originated) after his dismissal. To date, the FBI has never followed up on this person, choosing instead to hound the Arab co-worker and then Dr. Steven Hatfill when the case against the co-worker evaporated. Interested parties may review this information at and arrive at their own conclusions.

Posted by: Chuck Aubrey | August 6, 2008 7:44 PM

This is, in my honest opinion, a load of crap. How, after the countless hours spent investigating this case, could this guy have been missed? Why was so much time spent on Hatfill, the guy who just got a 5.2 million dollar payment for having his career destroyed by being investigated for these attacks? Wouldn't EVERY person who had contact with this virus, a very short list indeed, have been investigated thoroughly? I would ask a boon from the readers. Please Google "dead microbiologists after 9/11". There was a period of time where at least 19 microbiologists died, all over the world, in rather odd circumstances. One guy smothers himself accidentally in an airlock. There was a murder suicide, accounting for two. Several actual murders, and an alleged bridge jumping suicide by a guy who had just bought tickets for himself and his son to tour Graceland. These were all reported by the major news agencies. This is simply the latest one. Hopefully the last, as it appears they are going to hang the whole thing around this dead man's neck. Either the investigators of this case are completely inept, or it's all bull.

Posted by: J.J. | August 6, 2008 7:46 PM

Ten years from now you will no longer be able to find the word “integrity” in any English dictionary. In its place they will have added “scapedope”, “closefiler” and “celexacon”.

Posted by: Dave B | August 6, 2008 7:47 PM

It is a shame that public money is spent paying people gathering that kind of bullshit evidence. Ivins in a single day of his research endeavor was more useful to the society that these folks at the Department of Justice during a year...

Posted by: Fred | August 6, 2008 7:48 PM

So he did it because he emailed a friend, right after 9/11 that "Osama Bin Laden has just decreed death to all Jews and all Americans" and this language is similar to "DEATH TO AMERICA," "DEATH TO ISRAEL."

Is this a Kafka novel? Orwell? Are you actually serious? This would be outrageously funny if not so tragic. God in Heaven help us from the FBI.... there is NO CONNECTION WHATSOEVER between these two instances of "language". What because he used that there fancy word 'decree'....why is that some sort of moooslem soundin' word Jim Bob? Good God in Heaven.

Posted by: Skippy Jones | August 6, 2008 7:48 PM

lol, this is journalism? does anyone buy the propaganda coming out by the government anymore?

Posted by: Jack | August 6, 2008 7:48 PM

After the the day the towers were demolished, a few of us said the anthrax came from the U.S. Military and we were lambasted.

Open your minds America!

Posted by: George | August 6, 2008 7:49 PM

I am completely, utterly convinced that this is all bogus. I'm going to try to keep this short because the facts speak for themselves, but basically, there is no doubt in my mind that the government (or some faction within) sent out those letters.

They've attempted to place the blame on one scientist already, and when that failed, they simply moved on to another scapegoat. The biggest sign is how fiercely they're cramming this down our throats. "Case closed! Irrefutable circumstantial evidence!! The nut even killed himself because he was so guilty, and here he's seen quoting a phrase that was quoted by the media thousands of times! Case closed!"
That's called covering your ass and making sure everyone sees you do it. It has already been well established that our government passed on bold faced lies in order to justify a war. Almost nearly as certain is the evidence linking the government itself to the acts of September 11th (do some research if you're still in the dark). Is it a stretch at that point to realize this anthrax attack was another arm of their internal terror campaign? All the more reason to get all them nasty evil doers.

The only thing I'm not sure about at this point is if the guy actually killed himself, or if even his suicide was staged.

Also still not sure why our current administration hasn't been ousted with torches and pitchforks for the heinous and completely inhuman acts they have knowingly and calculatingly committed.

Posted by: bkurilko | August 6, 2008 7:56 PM

I would encourage the Washington Post to explore the other explosive angle of this story which is that these attacks were immediately used to provoke a war with Iraq. Immediately after the anthrax attacks, as I read it, 4 high level government officials talked to ABC news to say the anthrax was linked with Iraq. Who were these people that lied to ABC? How and why did this PR campaign fit in so well with the Iraq war campaign to follow?

Please do your best to answer these questions for the American people and to help restore a sense that our leadership class is being held to the same level of responsibility the rest of us are held to.

Posted by: George Baker | August 6, 2008 8:02 PM

It strikes me as very opportunistic that the FBI was able to pin point "Bruce Ivins' so soon after his "death". It strikes me as odd that he was able to conceal and collect so much Tylenol with Codeine while in a medical facility that was treating him for depression. No one is treated for depression with Codeine, it's not indicated for any type of addiction. I would like to see the date of the indictments if it was before he died or after. Why is the DOJ/FBI not closing the case, instead they have some "administrative ends to tie up" before they close the case. It sounds to me like they are buying time to release some more smears, rather than actual evidence. This was the third person they tried to smear, 1st Hatfil, then Dr. Berry, both were alive and able to fight back, now they say it is a dead man. I would like to know why America is still doing any kind of Anthrax Biological Experiments after a 1968 Treaty banning them. I would like to know how the Anthrax was weaponized by portable dryer. I would like to have a strict analysis of handwriting to see where it is similar. I would like to see how he was able to collect enough weaponized Anthrax from his limited and inventoried supply at the office. BTW I think he actually works for the University of Alabama, the prime contractor for the Ft. Detrick facility. I would also like to know more about this so called “NEW” fancy DNA analyzer that mysteriously identified without one scintilla of doubt the Ivins DID IT!!!! It reminds me of the movie “My Cousin Vinny” and the Hewlet Packard Model 132 Gas Chromatograph Analyzer”. I think someone is pulling my chain!

I just have too many questions. If I were on the jury and I did not have these questions answered, I couldn't in convict. There is not enough evidence to prove that Ivins did it, beyond reasonable doubt. I am however convinced that the FBI needs to rethink it's case, in this instance, because it doesn't hold up to even the shallow scrutiny I can provide.

Posted by: Leyland O'Leary | August 6, 2008 8:03 PM

My prayers go out to the Ivins' family. I am sure this is long over for them. I admit to not being an investigator, with that said since this story broke about the untimely death of Dr. Ivins I find the known facts faulty at best. I could not imagine the strain of being under a microscope by our government. I do not understand motive here, nor do I understand the 5.6 million pay out to the other co-worker. Lastly, why travel 7 hours round trip to mail these letters in New Jersey when a chapter of KKD is much closer? Again, my condolences to the family of Dr. Ivins.

Posted by: Keir | August 6, 2008 8:04 PM

Isn't it amazing how many people "choose" suicide" when confronted by exposure or investigation? And isn't it odd how many "accidents" befall those who are potential liabilities to those in power?
Bruce Ivins didn't leave a suicide note. But he seemed comfortable with writing down his thoughts. Vince Foster's death looked suspicious in so many ways.
The Borgias have nothing on the ghouls and fiends in modern Washington D.C.

Posted by: LI Guy | August 6, 2008 8:09 PM

Hmmm. I'm eagerly awaiting:

- the irrefutable handwriting and DNA evidence from the letters linking them to Ivins. Surely, he touched them with his bare hands at some point, since being seen dropping them into a public mailbox wearing the bright blue latex gloves that microbiologists normally use might have looked a tad suspicious, no?

-And surely, his family will verify they are in his handwriting, won't they....?

-We'll see proof that the stationery could "only" have come from a certain shop (such as?) in Virginia - like it was custom made only for them, circa a 1930's detective movie plot? Hello? There are one two or three paper makers these days, guys.

-And we'll hear why he targeted the specific individuals?

-And, of course, no evidence of any other confederates or accomplices. Nah. Acted alone. Pure nutbar. No motive but insanity. Right.

My sympathies to the hardworking FBI guys who really do have a clue what REALLY happened with the anthrax, but can't make that kind of arrest.... Sad. Keep leaking the truth, guys. We'll listen.

Posted by: Just Me | August 6, 2008 8:10 PM

Yea right,just another BS story from US government.

Posted by: roger | August 6, 2008 8:33 PM

When mentally ill people "go postal" and start killing people around them, they typically target those they feel have "wronged" them. What beef did Ivins have with Leahy, Daschle, Brokaw, etc? Why not the White House or a mosque? And then those sad "postal" souls promptly kill themselves in the same mad fit - why would Ivins wait seven years? He clearly wasn't a "charming" psychopath, either, who kills coolly and steadily over a long period and lies his way out, was he?

Doesn't add up.

Needs work.

Posted by: Average | August 6, 2008 8:36 PM

Ah, the scapegoat. Very handy!

Did they ever say how this guy killed himself? With a CIA bullet through the skull maybe?

Posted by: Bud | August 6, 2008 8:37 PM

I have no opinion whether the DOJ is or is not right about this guy. But one thing is crystal clear. The Army must be doing an extremely poor job of subjecting the people who it lets play around with bio-weapons to psych screening. A guy with such a troubled personality ought to have a tough time purchasing a handgun, let alone being allowed to get his hands on anthrax.

Posted by: dfs | August 6, 2008 8:37 PM

gee, with a few more suicides we can solve the Linberg Kidnapping and who really killed King Tut.

Posted by: lisajain | August 6, 2008 9:29 PM

And America has its scapegoat.

You see, all we needed was some innuendo, overt suggestions, and a full court media press on this guy and presto! We have a scapegoat!

I can finally sleep at night knowing that we've got someone - anyone - to blame.

Posted by: Jim Jones | August 6, 2008 9:30 PM

wow... that's all.. that is not even a case... however having 2 researchers from the same facility commit suicide... is a bit odd.
Also I have to say that those anthrax attack came at the ideal point in time to convince the american public of the terrorist threat and to go to war... and now 8 years later we find out it came from a government institutions with nothing but circumstantial evidence, a suicide, plus attempts by the FBI to convince his children to talk - offering them 2.5 Mio and a sportscar... I hate to say this... this really smells like more of a setup...

The first researcher they tried to nail countersued which cost them millions... maybe they've changed the plan next time around...

I just don't believe in coincidences and circumstantial evidence...

Posted by: wow | August 6, 2008 9:33 PM

So far the FBI hasn't released a single piece of information about Ivins that could even be remotelty called evidence. They have nothing. This would be tossed out of a court so fast with the FBI being amonsihed for wasting the courts time. What a joke. There is more circumstatial evidense againt ZAK and Hatfill than this guy Ivins. If this is all you need to convict someone, Bush & Co would already be behind bars.

Posted by: Doug | August 6, 2008 9:49 PM

After remembering how POSITIVE the FBI and Justice Department were that Steven Hatfield was guilty - and constructing quite an elaborate story to back up their allegations - I can't help but be dubious of anything to do with FBI and CIRCUMSTANTIAL EVIDENCE!

Sorry but when it comes to 'anthrax crimes' they've already proven they can manhandle innocent people more than they've proven they can catch guilty ones.

P.S. Obviously the FBI will record this posting as someone who is 'ranting' just like a guilty person would.

Posted by: Concerned Citizen | August 6, 2008 10:03 PM

The FBI has GOT to be kidding. This is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard of. I agree with almost everything that has said so far. At least reading your comments gives me some comfort that I am not alone in the outrage I am feeling. I am so sorry for the Ivins family - for having to go through this nightmare.

Posted by: R | August 6, 2008 10:20 PM

It has always been thus: The anthrax letters were directly tied to the passage of The Patriot Act. . . . look at the timelines and info available. Stunning.

Posted by: andyman | August 6, 2008 10:46 PM

There have been over thirty years of conspiracy theories, Congressional investigations, books, movies, and TV specials on the JFK assassination. And yet we had far better evidence against Lee Harvey Oswald than we do against this Dr. Ivins. Oswald was placed at the scene of the crime, in Dallas, unlike Dr. Ivins.

Posted by: sinz52 | August 6, 2008 11:05 PM

You have to understand scientists. They look at their own physical or mental problems as though they were observing an experiment. If they feel funny, they note it. Remember he had a lot of professional weight on his shoulders about the time of the letters. There were production problems with his new vaccine, and he was currently receiving the vaccine that was identified as the possible cause of Gulf war syndrome.

Based on the chemical composition, the vaccine may over stimulate the immune system causing auto immune diseases later in life. Gulf war syndrome had many unrelated symptoms associated with it. Ivins complained he had a blood disorder possibly related to the vaccine.

Wiser heads will comment on whether you can whip up a batch of weapons grade anthrax by spending a couple of hours working late several nights a week, as well as working on the vaccine problem during the day. Reading the e-mails gives insight into the workload he had.

He had some drinking problems but most of the time he was on the wagon. Don't be fooled by him describing his sensations taking medication, all meds have side effects. Listen to the people working with him, he wasn't a raving mad man, only the FBI wants you to think that.

Not being able to re-call what you were doing for several nights 5 years ago is ridiculous, especially if he started drinking or had been taking meds. Drinking does not help the memory, nor does age. I can tell you what I was doing when JFK was shot and when the towers were hit, but I can't tell you what I had for supper two weeks ago.

In the lab, work is solitary. You may stay late to tend an experiment and no one else stays because they are working on something else. You can't compare work hours among scientists. I lost a Palm Pilot and could not begin to reconstruct 2 months of billing data, it was impossible.

I maintain the attacks were done by full time professionals skilled at dirty tricks, not terrorists. Terrorists don't tell you to take antibiotics. Someone like Ivins had a lot on his plate and could not be the master criminal that leaves no traces. And what other crimes has he committed in his "unstable" state? He didn't even get picked up for DUI, so he must have some judgment.

As far as the letters, no one says death to Israel, they say death to Jews, Zionists, because there are Arabs and others in Israel. Ivins probably heard the statement from somewhere in the news and he got it right. Whomever wrote the letters may or may not know what they were doing, they were trying to make it sound like a terrorist, perhaps they wrote "Israel" on purpose. I remain skeptical based on what I have seen so far.

Even the letter drop is suspect, it was swabbed months later and probably was cross contaminated by the letter sorting bin each contains. I haven't reviewed that data yet.

Posted by: Ransome | August 6, 2008 11:41 PM

Why no photographs of Jean Carol Duley? Isn't anyone else curious.

Almost no biographical information of Jean Carol Duley, curious.

Posted by: paul s | August 6, 2008 11:54 PM

Check out this NYT story . . .

'U.S. Germ Warfare Research Pushes Treaty Limits' - September 4, 2001

It describes a military program to weaponize germs on the cheap, out in Nevada.

Posted by: Reader | August 7, 2008 12:10 AM

This is evidence??????????????????????

Posted by: Tony Wicher | August 7, 2008 12:35 AM

I thought only "unsmart" people, to put it in a non-offensive word, made up such unbelievable justifications. Now I'm convinced scapegoats proliferate wherever a governing body needs to clear the panorama. Poor guy, with or without him knowing it, those who need to justify their dirty tricks used him.

Posted by: Galina | August 7, 2008 1:56 AM

Hatfill had far more pressure than Ivins. Hatfill would have walked to the gallows proclaiming his innocence. Ivins sat at his desk and wept. he plotted against his co-workers and threatened murder upon others. Some may call it a flimsy case. The proof is once again revealed by the human spirit. The truth will out. Guilty. Off with his own head. Coward.

Posted by: kj | August 7, 2008 2:58 AM

Which is more likely? A vast conspiracy to frame someone, wherein all the conspirators are keeping mum OR a guy with access to anthrax became unhinged, sent out some letters that killed people and then killed himself to escape punishment.

You guys have been watching the X-Files too much.

Posted by: TMS | August 7, 2008 9:08 AM

If you turn to last night's Countdown segment featuring investigative journalist Gerald Posner, you will find, first, the government’s effort to present its case, claiming that they traced the anthrax to a single flask that supposedly originated with Dr. Ivins and then Gerald Posner tearing this apart, noting that even assuming that the government had, indeed, traced it to that one flask (exceedingly debatable) the anthrax in that flask was in liquid form. This does not begin to explain how Ivins would have been able to transform that liquid anthrax into the sophisticated weapons grade powder found on the envelopes.

The government claimed that Ivins had a device in his possession that could have been used for that purpose. Posner spoke with six different microbiologists working in this field, and they all told him it would have been virtually impossible for Ivins to have converted the liquid anthrax into the weapons grade powder with that device.

We have seen this before. A flawed 9/11 commission which was forced to rely upon statements provided by the president only in the company of his VP, unsworn & unrecorded, with the commissioners not even permitted to take notes; a White House refusal to furnish the commission documents; a commission that had to rely on selectively evidence obtained by torture; a commission whose report fails to touch upon, let alone explain why WTC 7, which was not struck by an aircraft, collapsed into its own footprint in 8.7 seconds.

Oh, never mind. The government says case closed. Whatever officials say must be true. "Oceania is at war with Eurasia. Oceania has always been at war with Eurasia." George Orwell, "1984."

Posted by: cann4ing | August 7, 2008 10:37 AM

All you FOOLS that believe this story are just that FOOLS! Dr. Ivins was just another "problem" that needed to be "taken care of". When will you idiots wake up??? For most of you, I doubt it will be until you are taken away YOURSELF!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Government are Thugs | August 7, 2008 12:15 PM

I bet Ivins was suicided just like Owens (also working out of Ft.Dietrick) back in '53, had a little help mind you. Someone should ask if Mr. Ivins was a covert CIA agent, cause Mr Owens sure was.

Ivins is a cut out, a patsie, law enforcement always chooses a crazy profile to pin these scams on 'cause the public's apprehension and ignorance does all the heavy lifting.

Posted by: Kastlefeer | August 7, 2008 6:27 PM

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