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Voter Fraud Probe Becomes Campaign Issue

POSTED: 06:30 PM ET, 10/16/2008 by Derek Kravitz


ACORN spokesperson Kevin Whelan speaks at a press conference in Washington, Tuesday, Oct. 14, 2008. Behind him is Maryland ACORN president, Rev. Gloria Swierenga. (Gerald Herbert/AP)

News that the FBI is investigating possible fraud by a prominent voter-registration activist group has turned into a hot-button issue on the campaign trail.

Two senior law enforcement officials confirmed the ongoing FBI investigation to The Associated Press. But two spokesmen for ACORN, the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, said the FBI has not contacted the group.

"ACORN has not been notified that we are the target of an investigation by any authorities -- nor should we be," spokesman Kevin Whelan said in a statement. "ACORN members have done a good and patriotic thing by helping bring more than a million of their fellow citizens into our democratic process."

The ACORN issue has crept into the presidential campaign debate, with GOP vice-presidential nominee Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin using the federal probe to attack Democratic presidential nominee Sen. Barack Obama.

"In this election, it's a choice between a candidate who won't disavow a group committing voter fraud, and a leader who won't tolerate voter fraud," Palin said at a rally in Bangor, Maine.

And during last night's third and final presidential debate, Republican nominee Sen. John McCain criticized Obama for his ties to the group.

"We need to know the full extent of Senator Obama's relationship with ACORN, who is now on the verge of maybe perpetrating one of the greatest frauds in voter history in this country, maybe destroying the fabric of democracy," McCain said.

Obama denied any significant ongoing connection to ACORN. (New York Times transcript of debate)

"Now, with respect to ACORN, ACORN is a community organization," Obama said. "Apparently what they've done is they were paying people to go out and register folks, and apparently some of the people who were out there didn't really register people, they just filled out a bunch of names.

"It had nothing to do with us. We were not involved. The only involvement I've had with ACORN was I represented them alongside the U.S. Justice Department in making Illinois implement a motor voter law that helped people get registered at DMVs."

By Derek Kravitz |  October 16, 2008; 6:30 PM ET
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McCain is an aging politician who seems way out of step with the moment. He is an Angry old scrooge who cant believe a black man is kicking his sagging wringled ass!
ACORN is just a scapegoat for his loses

Posted by: Anonymous | October 16, 2008 7:15 PM

your an idiot.

Posted by: someone | October 16, 2008 7:18 PM

Please- "I gave Acorn nearly a million dollars, at first denied that I gave it to them for voter registration (then admitted), and I want you the American people to believe that I am completely innocent. My ties in the past with them were very superficial, trust me". This dude is full of more stories than Aesop, but he will be elected and we will have a president that could make history- he could make GW become the second worst president ever. haha- but its not very funny. :(

Posted by: zed | October 16, 2008 7:18 PM

Here is the deal, ACORN employees who make a pitty wage are obligated to get some many voter registrations a day/week/month and some of them decided to submit fake registrations and and duplicated registrations. That's it. The only ones guilty here are those employees for cheating to perform a job they're paid to do. McCain and his campaign are trying to link Obama to these lazy employees and it's not only sickining, it's sad.

Posted by: IIell | October 16, 2008 7:21 PM

Of course ACORN is going to say nothing is happening just like Obama however, I have seen video of several interviews of ACORN workers as well as those who were bribed by them. It is very bad for America to act like a third world country, the election commission should halt the ongoing election until this fraud is stopped.

Posted by: van | October 16, 2008 7:22 PM

Anyone one who buys into this new GOP stunt is an idiot. "Heads should roll" because voters are being registered??? C'mon! I'd like to see Mickey Mouse show up with his ID and try to vote. I wonder where they will be mailing the voter registration cards to? The Magic Kingdom? If any "fraud" was indeed committed (seeing as how the FBI investigation is still ongoing) then it would be the stupid ACORN employee who got lazy and didn't do his job. Meanwhile we all KNOW for a fact that Palin abused her power as Governor. Wonder what she will do as VP?

Posted by: Leon | October 16, 2008 7:23 PM

Barack Obama the community organizer was doing the same voter registration fraud from the beginning. That's how he got where he is now. Look up 'Project Vote'

Posted by: Dmitriy | October 16, 2008 7:23 PM

if obama admits he was only a representative for the acorn organization to help promote new voter registration while the workers within the organization committed the actual fraud, how can this significantly help mccain's campaign? was obama caught red-handed for committing the actual fraud? does obama have a criminal record related to this incident? if not, this investigation is a waste of time and money. voters are too smart and know there is no weight or merit to this pathetic tactic.

Posted by: voter | October 16, 2008 7:24 PM

From Wikipedia: “During investigations, ACORN has publicly supported the investigations of employees submitting fraudulent voter registration information, has fired them if evidence supports the charges, and has stated its concern with false information on registration forms.[47][48] Officials have stated that ACORN has been cooperative in these investigations”

ACORN, instead of committing fraud, has instead been helping authorities to ELIMINATE registration fraud. Cries by Republicans that ACORN is perpetrating VOTING fraud are not just FALSE but are also DETRACTING from the PROVEN, ACTUAL VOTER FRAUD PERPETRATED BY REPUBLICANS.

Posted by: J. | October 16, 2008 7:24 PM

"Obama denied any significant ongoing connection to ACORN"

OBAMA SHOULD NOT BE INVOLVED AT ALL!

"It had nothing to do with us. We were not involved. The only involvement I've had with ACORN was I represented them alongside the U.S. Justice Department in making Illinois implement a motor voter law that helped people get registered at DMVs"

THERE IS THE PROBLEM

"Apparently what they've done is they were paying people to go out and register folks, and apparently some of the people who were out there didn't really register people, they just filled out a bunch of names."

'APPARENTLY' OBAMA PAID ACORN $800,000+ FOR NOTHING. HOW DOES THIS MAKE SENSE?

Posted by: Arne | October 16, 2008 7:25 PM

This is voter registration fraud in small amounts by people who are hired as workers to convince citizens to register and they are paid by the amount of sign-ups which obviously needs to be changed because some of these workers are too lazy to do the work so they make up names and registrations to be paid more.

Although highly illegal, the important thing to remember is someone has to vote to be added to the count. Registration doesn't count as a vote!

What would a mass voter registration conspiracy fraud perpetuated by either party gain when only the vote counts and not the registration...

Now voter fraud has been an issue in as recently as 2000 ans 2004 election and that's what needs to be focused on...

John McCain I have to ask if you are suspending your campaign because of this dire threat of "voter registration?" ooohhhhhhhhhh!!!

Posted by: Kerry | October 16, 2008 7:28 PM

I find it amazing that the same people who were screaming that George Bush stole the 2000 election are now trying to defend ACORN. Could you imagine the outcry if a right-wing organization that was funded in part by the McCain campaign was caught red-handed registering Mickey Mouse and the entire Dallas Cowboys roster? What if it had turned out that Mickey Mouse had voted for Dubya in 2000? (I actually have it on good authority that Mickey leans Democrat.)

The collective yawn this story has received from the media is almost as shocking as the left's willingness to defend ACORN (or at the very least, shrug them off as incompetent but harmless). Voter fraud is voter fraud, no matter which candidate you're voting for, and it should not be tolerated.

p.s. Wringled?

Posted by: Sigh... | October 16, 2008 7:28 PM

I know that the life i'm livin's no good,
I'll get a new start, live the life I should.

Posted by: not dead yet | October 16, 2008 7:28 PM

zed, you have been hanging a little too much with McPalin.
it shows.
Their whole tactic is to fool low info types like you.

Acorn only registers voters. Illegal registrations are screened and not involved in actual voting.

No wonder the FBI didnt notify Acorn.

Talk about stories; look at Mccain/Palin's pitiful talking points.

do you actually BELIEVE THEM? (that's what they're counting on)

Posted by: Anonymous | October 16, 2008 7:31 PM

Arne, you're stupid. SOME ACORN EMPLOYEES ARE THE ONLY ONES GUILTY HERE, they got lazy and decided to cheat to perform a job they're being paid to do. That's it. Obama had nothing to do with voter fraud, who cares if he had been involved in this organization...the organization is "INDIRECTLY" involved and cooperating with the investigation. They have already fired some of these lazy employees.

Posted by: IIell | October 16, 2008 7:32 PM

Voter fraud should be an issue if it is happening. However, what about the Republican voter fraud that has existed in the past two presidential elections?

Posted by: Anonymous | October 16, 2008 7:33 PM

Meanwhile subpoenas regarding the electronic theft of the presidency in 2004 are still being blocked and ignored. Meanwhile years of investigations by the DOJ have completely failed to identify voter fraud and led to the politically motivated firings of US Attorneys. Meanwhile Republican Secretary's of State's nation wide are illegally purging millions from voter rolls. Meanwhile massive voter caging by Republicans takes place and has continued ever since the party received an injunction from a federal court in 1983. Meanwhile the completely useless media fails as usual to actually explain the basis of the scum bag Republican party lies.

ACORN is required by law to turn in a registration even if they know it is not correct. ACORN flags all suspect registrations which is why they are known. Even if Mickey Mouse is registered to vote Mickey Mouse is not going to show up at the polls.


Every investigation of supposed voter fraud in the last 3 decades has proved to be false on it's face and yet every election the scum bag Republican reprobates in this country are able to claim voter fraud in order to commit election fraud. After two stolen elections the American people are fed up, but as usual the useless MSM is a failure and a joke, a well oiled propaganda machine for the right wing whack jobs that have destroyed our society. The low life Republican scum bags that rule this country can not allow every citizen to vote because it would mean the end of there own personal Banana Republic.

Posted by: Average joe | October 16, 2008 7:34 PM

van: You are a pundit, admit it. If you don't want the people in the USA acting like a "third world country" why would you have the election commission halt the election? That sounds like Pakistani democracy, and any number of "third world democracies" to me. BHO will win by a landslide on any day with all voters voting only once. Anyone who doesn't beleive that is dilluted.

Posted by: CJ | October 16, 2008 7:35 PM

People are being duped by this "VOTER FRAUD" bull... it's registration fraud -- NOT voting/ballot fraud. If 1 million fake people register to vote, zero fake people will show up on election day. Yes, it's bad that these employees are bilking ACORN for work they didn't do and they should be punished to the full extent of the law. However, unless hundreds of thousands of voters show up with several different ID's and vote with each one, NONE of the bogus registrations will mean anything to our democratic process. 100 million Mickey Mouses can register to vote, but exactly zero Mickey Mouses are going to get to cast a vote. If you cannot vote, you can't "rig" the election results.

Posted by: Blair80 | October 16, 2008 7:35 PM

To J's quip: "'APPARENTLY' OBAMA PAID ACORN $800,000+ FOR NOTHING. HOW DOES THIS MAKE SENSE?"

It makes sense in the sense that invading Iraq to find weapons of mass destruction makes sense. So now, our President has had us pay TRILLIONS for nothing.

Now there's sense.

Posted by: Ken | October 16, 2008 7:38 PM

Sigh...:
It is the sad state of our politics that is making you laugh. Everyone becomes a detractor of the party that they don't want, and an apologist for the party that they don't hate. It's a shame the structure of our government and the House of Representatives perpetuates a government where your choice is limited to two petty, bickering parties. It is the least effective form of Democracy.

Posted by: CJ | October 16, 2008 7:42 PM

How saddened I am that so many people are so easily sidetracked by such an insignificant thing. But this is the tatic that the desperate take - much like cooking, toss enough in the pot until you *think* it tastes good.

Posted by: Frostlyne | October 16, 2008 7:46 PM

I don't support Obama because or his socialist views; but, ACORN is doing the right thing by helping the working poor become involved in the democratic process. What this issue has reminded me of is how important it is for those who love liberty and democracy to help our fellow citizens enter the democratic process. The more people we can get involved... the better chance we stand of preserving democracy in our country. Please, don't let this propaganda diminish your faith in the democratic process. It is simply irresponsible of the McCain campaign to erode this faith. I cannot support McCain either because I think he does not respect the constitution (Iran-contra, S&L scandal, etc.) and he does not respect the election process.

http://libertygazette.wordpress.com

Posted by: LibertyGazette | October 16, 2008 7:52 PM

Please- "I gave Acorn nearly a million dollars, at first denied that I gave it to them for voter registration (then admitted), and I want you the American people to believe that I am completely innocent. My ties in the past with them were very superficial, trust me". This dude is full of more stories than Aesop, but he will be elected and we will have a president that could make history- he could make GW become the second worst president ever. haha- but its not very funny

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You're such a moron. I don't care what kind of ties Obama has with these people because he didn't fill out any stupid ballots and he sure as hell didn't break the law. And Obama can give these people all the money he wants. You have in your sick head that ACORN is some kind of terrorist group connected to Ayers and OBAMA. Why don't you talk about McCain's Presidential Transition Chief William Timmons that Aided Saddam Hussein. Now that’s poor judgment. I don't think you'd care if McCain's best friend blew up the Twin Towers.

Posted by: Hemi | October 16, 2008 7:52 PM

Some of you don't get it. The fake registrations would only be of value if you didn't have to provide a picture ID in order to vote.

But wait..that is exactly what democrats are suing for all over this country. They are claiming to make someone prove who they are, is some how disenfranchising them.

Yeah right...If a picture ID is not required then anyone can show up and vote as the registered Mickey Mouse.

We have to show a picture ID to board a plane...so you sure as heck should have to provide a picture ID to vote. Especially if the registered name has been flagged as a possible fraud.

Posted by: dan | October 16, 2008 7:56 PM

Wake up folks. ACORN doesn't only register fake people to vote, they are a lobbiest group.
They lobbied the banks to give loans to people who couldn't afford them. They are just as much to blame for the sub-prime mortage problem as Barny Frank and the other looser Dem's that did this to our economy.
But it's not just ACORN. Sen. Obama has a long dirty laundry list of people that he's been invoved with. Rezko, Ayers, Wright, Alinsky just to mention a few.
My father used to say 'Show me your friends, and i'll tell you who you are.' How about this one. 'Birds of a feather flock together.'
But of course to B. Obama, these are 'Just people that live on my block'. Then MOVE! Why do you surround yourself with thieves and terrorists? I'd have moved a long time ago.

Posted by: Phil J Fry | October 16, 2008 7:58 PM

CJ, wrong again. They don't register Micky Mouse, they register John J. Smith in one precinct , then another , then another. One guy gets three votes, do this a million times and you just fixed an election.

Posted by: george waring | October 16, 2008 8:04 PM

Any organization collecting voter registration forms is required to forward ALL of them to the dept. of voter registration. ACORN had marked the forms that were likely phony, but only the voter registration dept could legally turn them down. An non issue, and ACORN acted according to the law, exactly as the Baptist Women for Palin would have been required to act.

Posted by: Frank Provasek | October 16, 2008 8:08 PM

I wonder why Acorn chose to bring out a young, white male to speak about this issue rather that its older, black, female Maryland President Gloria Swierenga who was seated on stage?

Posted by: Overtaxed Voter | October 16, 2008 8:08 PM

This happens with all types of signature gathering when the people on the street collecting signatures are paid per signature. It happens to get initiatives on the ballot constantly. It boils down to the individual gatherer being dishonest and forging names to make more money. It's hardly a problem with Obama and it's stupid to associate it with him, that's just people being sore losers. Republican voter fraud was rampant in the last two presidential elections, very possibly giving Bush the White House both times. This time it will be so much of a blow out it won't matter. Let state voter registration officials do their job and weed out the false entries, they've always done this and it's their job. Stop whining.

Posted by: Dan in Seattle | October 16, 2008 8:09 PM

Claims of Voter Fraud is the GOP's mechanism of Voter Suppression.

These people running the McCain campaign make me angry.

Look what the GOP is doing right now in Ohio as they try to strip 200,000 voters of their right to vote in a slimy last-minute legal move. McCain - what interest do you really have in the "fabric of democracy"?

Posted by: Jeff Pflueger | October 16, 2008 8:09 PM

The GOP is afraid this may thwart their efforts to steal this election again like the the last two. Pathetic. Thank God we stand a chance of actually electing a President on our own, but it's not like it matters in the long run. The lobbyists will see to that.
I'm sorry, this is not Democracy.

Posted by: Doc Cactus | October 16, 2008 8:09 PM

It's not like the faked registrations can vote, this is a non-issue. If you pay people by the registration,this is what you get.

Posted by: John | October 16, 2008 8:10 PM

"I wonder why Acorn chose to bring out a young, white male to speak about this issue rather that its older, black, female Maryland President Gloria Swierenga who was seated on stage?"

I'm sure it because that's his job, much like the White House press secretary speaks to the press for the President.

Posted by: Sarah Johnson | October 16, 2008 8:11 PM

Obama admitted he paid off ACORN. However he later added he only gave them $800,000.00 to Register voters during the Primaries. POOR HILLARY!!!
SAW

Posted by: saw | October 16, 2008 8:12 PM

Dear McCain fan. Did you mean to say you're an idiot?

Posted by: blogger | October 16, 2008 8:13 PM

Voter fraud? Have we voted yet? So how can this be voter fruad? It just shows how moronic you people are.

Posted by: Your_A_Moron | October 16, 2008 8:14 PM

If McCain was really interested in a functioning democracy, he would be trying to facilitate voter registration, not suppress it.

But, getting people to vote is what the dems do....and the republicans historically try to keep portions of the public from the polls. Isn't it interesting that the GOP is always attempting to make voting more difficult? How is that democratic McCain?

They frame it always as fighting "voter fraud" as the current "scandal" demostrates, but what the ploy really is is that the less people who vote, the better a chance the GOP has, so the GOP fights to keep people from voting.

Posted by: Dan Billings | October 16, 2008 8:16 PM

Voter registration fraud is a strategy. Does anyone seriously think that the understaffed election offices have the recources to catch all but the most obvious fruadulent registrations? This is all a smokescreen to hide fraudulent vtoes. No doubt, there will be those who say: "voter faud has not been proven!!!!" Well DUH. It won't be with all the fluff and smoke floating around. This is not merely harmless or incompetence. It is a planned sequence by cynical people amied at exploiting their constituents. They will predicably cry foul when the other side demands the voter rolls be cleaned up, thereby ensuring minorities that the other side is out to get them. Disgusting. Obama himself should promise an investigation and demand his money back.

Posted by: sean | October 16, 2008 8:17 PM

Acorn is the way Obama intends to take this election whether he wins it or not. Obama paid Acorn 800,000.00 and hid the fact in his campaign report. When he was called out on it he admitted to it. You are being scammed folks. Obama may have very little political experience but, he has a Ph.D in the game he's running on this country.

Posted by: CyberFerret52 | October 16, 2008 8:19 PM

It's rather ironic that the man who elbowed his way into the Democratic ticket for the Illinois Senate by "scrutinizing" his opponents' signature lists would now be linked with this mess. And, as to this unnecessary mess... A voter ID card is in order. Period. Enough already!! How can we possibly oversee another country's elections when we are making a mockery out of our own?

Posted by: maggie | October 16, 2008 8:19 PM

Obama cut his fraudulant politician teeth with ACORN, Jeremiah Wright and William Ayers to name a few. Voter fraud and ACORN were always an issue, its an issue that the Dimocrat media refuse to address. our entire electoral system is at risk, but you would never know it down at NBC, CBS and ABC, let alone CNN....
http://americanpoliticalblog.wordpress.com/

Posted by: Larry | October 16, 2008 8:21 PM

I would not mind at all if my taxes supported voter regristration photo IDs for anyone who could not get them on their own. Everyone should get to vote. Once. If eligible. An ID is the only way out of this mess. ACORN could go and help folks get their IDs. Where is the harm in that?

Posted by: sean | October 16, 2008 8:22 PM

Most of these posts are truly amazing in their ignorance. The over whelming number of bad registrations were identified & reported by ACORN. The monies paid to ACORN by the Obama campaign were for get out the vote drives.
Meanwhile; the Republicans are pushing hard to bar thousands of voters by using social security data bases which were supposed to be a last resort because of frequent errors. The state motor vehicle departments, etc, were supposed to be the primary source of data for verification. The McCain boys are up to some very slippery stuff.
A semi-senile, empty suit & a nit wit skirt.

Posted by: stbdtac | October 16, 2008 8:25 PM

Voter fraud?

Well let's start with Joe the Plummer, a story mostly untrue. The guy is not a licensed plumer, Obams's tax policy would not affect him, he doesn't make $250K a year, is in no position to buy a business and based on the fact he owes back tax's, the type of guy the proposed tax policy will directly help.

Once again a made up story to appeal to Joe Six pack who is apparently to drunk to realize when he is being fed a line of.....

I guess this Joe the Plummer story was vetted by the same people who looked into Sarah Palin

Not exactly reassuring in the competency department, ya know, smile, smile, wink, wink.

Posted by: geek | October 16, 2008 8:27 PM

Obama does not know what Acorn was doing? Ya, Wright.

Posted by: Dacajun | October 16, 2008 8:28 PM

hello stbdtac:

Of course ACORN reports some of the bad regitrations. That won't stop the strategy of innundation of the local offices. you prove my point with your complaints about supposed Republican vote suppression. ACORN's strategy is to get Repubs to do this. ACORN makes it necessary with their mess making. It helps build the all-republicans-are racist-bigots-us-against-them complex.

Posted by: sean | October 16, 2008 8:29 PM

I wonder if George or Dick had one of their underlings let their good buds at the FBI know that they needed a good investigation to help the country elect another Republican. The FBI never got around to looking into any of the shenanigans in Florida, and couldn't seem to find the time to look into whether voting machines are tamper proof, but they have leaped on this, even though there is an entire apparatus in place to make sure that voter applications are legitimate.

Posted by: Javalation | October 16, 2008 8:35 PM

Republicans were o.k. with official voter fraud in Florida when Katherine Harris and Jeb Bush helped George Bush steal the 2000 election. But let ten thousand or so registration forms show up that are clearly fakes and would have been rejected anyway and listen to the wolves howl. Never mind that it was ACORN that called attention to these registrations.
How many phony republican registrations are out there?
After the election is over sue us like we tried in Ohio after secretary of state Ken Blackwell fixed the 2004 election.
This time around, It's the economy. Trying to make it anything else is just going to look stupid.

Posted by: seemstome | October 16, 2008 8:37 PM

As a Independent thinker, I find the issue of voter fraud disgusting to this GREAT nation that we are supposed to be. I do find it interesting,though,that the registeree's all seem to be linked to the dem's ill-faded attempt to 'buy' Obama the keys to the white house. This scares me. As , without doubt,Obama is the least qualified candidate in the history of our country to run for "the most powerfull man in the world" position. I don't trust him!!!

Posted by: lou | October 16, 2008 8:38 PM

Everyone just calm down, please! My goodness. So some lazy folks fabricated some registrations so that they could increase their pay. Stupid, yes, but not damaging to the election. I mean, does ANYONE actually fear that Mickey Mouse and Harry Potter will show up on Nov. 4 and cast a ballot for Obama??? Give me a break!

Posted by: Common Sense | October 16, 2008 8:40 PM

ACORN voter registration fraud? Did anyone look at the economy recently (today?) under the Republicans? As someone outside of Amerika, you folks should see the effects on ordinary "Joe the Plumbers" around the world from the fraudulent activities of those economic policies.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 16, 2008 8:40 PM

Oh please...Florida AGAIN...
Move on . org . it. please. Bush did not steal Florida, but Gore sure tried to. I'm sure it galls a lot of folks just how close he came. Of course, if Gore had wanted to be a great man instead of a small man, he would have conceded the election, called for national healing, and would be our president up for re-election now.

Posted by: sean | October 16, 2008 8:43 PM

It fits,
Obama lies about his ties to Rezko
Lies about his 20 years in Wright's church
Prevaricates in debates about ACORN and Ayers
Has the politics of Dennis Kucinich
but not the courage to espouse them
Votes "present" instead of taking a stand in his years in the Illinois legislature
In the US senate he doesn't bother to show up to vote cause he's too busy promoting his books and running for president with the worst absentee voting record ever for a first term senator.
This stuffed shirt is an empty shell.

McCain has bad political instincts but is honest and true to his centrist ideals/

Posted by: JoJo | October 16, 2008 8:46 PM

There are thousands of people involved in a campaign and they all have some dirty laundry in their closets probably but to say that Sen. Obama or McCain are responsible by virtue of association alone for every spot on their lapels is a bit silly.
It was more illegal to have believed that the fox( financial markets) who swore they would watch the hen house and not eat the hens and then called all his buddies over for a picnic. The same fox had convinced the farmer to sell his gun ( regulatory oversight) and ended up eating all the hens and then stealing the hen house which he is now in the process of selling back to the farmer ( American Public)

Posted by: John Chilton | October 16, 2008 8:47 PM

It looks to me like the one who was ripped off was ACORN who paid people to do a job that they did not do. With all the really
important issues facing us why would anyone even want to discuss this non issue?

Posted by: Mary | October 16, 2008 8:48 PM

votes are computer registered, right? what stops either party from hacking the system and changing the votes for everybody?

Posted by: dano | October 16, 2008 8:48 PM

the washington post is so up obama's ass.. they stink the same way obama stinks

Posted by: james | October 16, 2008 8:50 PM

Why doesn't some ask McCain why he was making a speech at one of ACORN'S conventions. It is on video, he was telling them what a great job they were doing. Why is it if Obama does it,it is bad but if McCain does something worse it isn't even brought up. He has a lot more to hide than the media is willing to tell. Don't forget this is a man that was having an affair with is now wife while he was still married to another. Then he only divorced after she became disabled.

Posted by: pearl | October 16, 2008 8:51 PM

ACORN should be investigated. If the reports are true, their leaders should go to prison. If not, then they should be released. The purpose of the investigation is to determine whether or not they are guilty.

The issue is not whether or not Mickey Mouse or Santa Claus will vote, but whether the name of some recently deceased person will be used in a state where folks on the political left have argued that there is no need to display identification to vote. That combination of policies is going to draw fire. It also draws fire when Indiana (as reported elsewhere) has registered 105% of eligible voters -- not all of those thousands of "extra people" are named Santa Claus.

Let's investigate and find out what's going on. Let the investigation go on.

Posted by: JSmith | October 16, 2008 8:52 PM

What's obvious is that Republicans will fabricate any diversion to steal an election. It can be counted of for every election.

Posted by: Javalation | October 16, 2008 8:52 PM

Posted by: we're screwed 08 | October 16, 2008 8:59 PM

The only evidence that will ever turn up that this was a nationally coordiniated effort to gum up the election porcess is air. There will never be any emails, memos, or training session presentations or anything else, even if ACORN is served with a subpoena. They are simply not that stupid. It will all be gone to the same place as the WMDs.

They hope.
Otherwise, Obamagate is here.

Posted by: sean | October 16, 2008 8:59 PM

let's face it the Republicans know they're fighting a losing battle. both McCain & Palin can't answer a question on issues directly. instead she talks about hockey and he talks about food for squirrels. it's ridiculous and if ANYTHING should be done it should be McCain & Palin having their mouths duct taped to keep from spreading more lies

Posted by: 1sttimer | October 16, 2008 9:06 PM


Strange the about-face of Senator McCain and his party re: ACORN, the nation's largest low- and middle-income advocacy organization for truth in homelending, immigration reform, voting rights, and other causes. As recently as 2006, McCain was the keynote speaker at an immigration reform rally sponsored by the organization. Many other GOP were in attendance, and have voted for legislation supported by ACORN for years.

Web-search 'McCain' and 'ACORN' for photos, history of GOP support, even video of McCain's keynote address itself, praising the efforts of the organization.

Fair weather friends, indeed.

Posted by: StanleyMN | October 16, 2008 9:07 PM

ACORN is ripping-off the voters in more than one way. Not only are they possibly cancelling out legitimate votes, but they're funded with taxpayers money. This is one federal program that needs to be ended immediately. There are many states with proof of voter registration fraud., some of these states had same-day voting, also.

Posted by: ohiopolitico | October 16, 2008 9:09 PM

The whole ACORN debacle isn't a case of benign attempts to fill up a voter list. It is a bullying well funded propaganda machine that probably did have more to do with starting the Sub prime mortgage crisis than any other single organization (except maybe the Democrat Party who gave them their power) The only reason that we have a video of John McCain praising them, is because the Media and the Democratic Party labeled anyone who challenged their tactics and dangerous agenda, as a racist who didn't want minorities to have houses.

Please People...open your eyes and see what is happening

Posted by: liberty4all | October 16, 2008 9:18 PM

1) It is not voter fraud to register ineligible voters. It is only voter fraud if they try to vote.

2) It is a FEDERAL LAW that all registrations that are filled out MUSWT be turned in. ACORN is clearly at fault for letting some of their employees hand in bogus registrations, but the majority of those were identified BY ACORN as problematic. They still neded to turn them in.

3) The processing of these registrations kicks out most (if not all) of the bogus registrations, which is why we know its a problem. None of those kicked out are recorded as registered voters.

At the end of the day, this is another attempt to distract Americans from the critical issues that face us - and what matters it that we elect a president that will try and change the systems that created these problems. Obama may not be succesful in the end, but at least he's identified the irght probelsm and proposed some new ways to try and solve them.

"The race does not always go to the swift, nor victory to the strong - but that's the way to BET."

Posted by: Arthanyel | October 16, 2008 9:23 PM

to kerry
you must be one of 2 on the planet who doesn't think bush lost 2000. did any of comments on registration dent what may be thick skull? ACORN said some made names that can't vote. but it's vote, not register. i'm sick of repubs and voter fraud! repubs suppress voters and where's the suit bby dems. not worth it. vote for mccain,fine. just leave blacks, poor, etc. to also vote. or are they underclsass to repubs?

Posted by: anne deutsch | October 16, 2008 9:30 PM

You can add this to the list of failed republican efforts to turn this campaign around along with fear mongering, negative ads, terror allegations, and bimbo VP.

The truth is Obama is ahead in the popular vote by 10%, based on the 2004 turnout of 126 million. That works out to around 26 million votes. Even if the repubs somehow prevented all of the 1.3 million Acorn registered people from excersizing their consitutional right to vote, it would only narrow that lead to 24.7 million at most. It wouldn't make a difference.

Posted by: Karl | October 16, 2008 9:31 PM

What about $800,000 Obama's campaign gave to ACCORN during primary ?

Posted by: jake | October 16, 2008 9:49 PM

Lets us see here, thousands of fraudulant voters, no photo id to identify fraudlent voters, plausable deniability. Sounds like a plan to defraud Americans. Should you be captured Mr Phelps, we will dissavow you and your mission. Is that how it goes Barrack? Is that how they do it in Chicago? Did Hilliary win? WHAT DID YOU KNOW AND WHEN DID YOU KNOW IT?

Posted by: MITCHS52 | October 16, 2008 9:53 PM

Honestlt, if you look at the polls Obama is winning. Why would he want or need to commit voter fraud? Come on people think with that brain of yours.

Additionally, it is not VOTER FRAUD, until someone votes illegally! These are just registrations. It is up to the election board officers to of your state to weed out the bad registration- not ACORN. ACORN is reguired to turn in all registration ballots they recieve whether they are made out to Mickey Mouse or John McCain.

Instead of listening to the media... why not research ACORN in the library or on the internet. You will find that in the 30 years they have been in business, they have been accused by the GOP almost every election cycle. Yet, they have NEVER, been found quilty..... how amazing!

Dont believe me, take some time and research it yourself!

Posted by: Anonymous | October 16, 2008 9:54 PM

I see the Post is now engaging in headline fraud. There's been NO VOTER FRAUD. There is no voter fraud unless people actually vote illegitimately. ACORN was the victim of some of its temporary workers trying to make more money by registering fictitious people. They then reported these irregularities themselves.

I wish the Post would stop playing into these swiftboat stories and start pretending to be a real newspaper. It has barely resucitated its reputation from its failures four years ago, when it kept hyping the false claims of people who never served with John Kerry.

The truth matters. Get it right.

Posted by: Mark | October 16, 2008 9:54 PM

American
Crony's
Organization of
Republican Hating
Neo-Socialists (Neo-Socs)

The government is about 20% efficient with the money's that they commandeer from the American public. The higher percentage they get their hands on the less will be accomplished and the more dependent we will become as a whole. In Zimbabwe the average person has almost no resources at their disposal. This is where we are headed if Government taxpayer supported organizations like ACORN keep popping up to undermine our economy.

It costs about 12 dollars for the government to get an apple to a person that they think may need one. No idiot would pay 12 dollars for an apple if on the open market...but when it is government funded and you don't know how much it cost you...and it is mandatory that you buy it...and it is presented by ABC, CBS, and CNN as such a good cause you forget that you paid 12 dollars for it and you start blaming the people that saw it as a bad deal. Personally I try to pick apples off my own tree to share with those who didn't plant their own tree. They cost a little less than 12 dollars a peice and it makes my life a lot better than having a government steal my money and pay 12 dollars per apple to give it someone who needs it less than I do.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 16, 2008 9:56 PM

Hey Sigh,

Bush did actually lose the 2000 election, moron. Just ask the supremes....

Posted by: Peeved | October 16, 2008 10:07 PM

Let's see what the BBC has to say about what is taking place with registration fraud. Take a minute to go here and see.

news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7658182.stm

Posted by: robertpa | October 16, 2008 10:07 PM

Hi. I'm a willfully uninformed voter. I have already chosen my side, so I don't need to think about any facts. Rather, I prefer to only highlight the parts of the story that support the position I've already accepted or the position I've been told to accept by my favorite pundits.

And if the story doesn't have any facts to support my position, I'll just blame it on something like the "liberal media" or "right wing nut jobs". Then I can completely ignore whatever is being said and return to my "I'm not the sheep, you're the sheep!" mentality.

Posted by: set-in-my-ways | October 16, 2008 10:13 PM

What's missing from any report is a estimated number or percentage of allegedly fraudulent registrations. Also, as the AP points out:
"But in alleging voter fraud, McCain goes too far. To commit fraud, a person would have to show up on Election Day with identification bearing the fake name."
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5j1i507fXjfsBwZ92ujqRSSV12niAD93RSCE80

But all you die hard Republicans, go ahead and focus on this or Ayers or Wright or whatever it is you want to slander while the rest of the country focuses on real issues.

Posted by: moreliesbytheGOP | October 17, 2008 12:02 AM

It's so sad that half the people here don't really understand what's happening, but want so badly to use it against Obama/Democrats. I wonder who's feeding it to them?

Posted by: ck | October 17, 2008 12:10 AM

Diebold the electronic poll machines, where rigged to flip votes and to be hacked without any security protection these polling devices where funded by jeb bush govenor of florida, brother of president george bush, just prior to the 2000 elections where subsquently the election was won by the narrowest of margins. i suggest americans take a look at a documentary on comcast on-demand to find out the true facts about the republican parties in our government and by the way if you dont make 250,000 $ a year why would you vote republican ?

Posted by: mike g. | October 17, 2008 12:12 AM

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Posted by: T-Prop | October 17, 2008 12:48 AM

If they have not been "contacted" by the FBI, then who have I been seeing walking in their buildings, wearing FBI jackets, bringing out boxes of ballots??? Hm.....I wonder who that could be. Man, these people are idiots if they think they explain this one away. Better yet, blame it on the Republicans! Yea...we're so desperate at this point that we are trying to suppress voter turn out! Who the hell cares how many people are REGISTERED....you can only vote ONCE!!! Not to mention the people that are coming out of the wood work, basically proving that they're morons, saying that they were encouraged, forced, and demanded to register multiple times. Oh, here's my question...one guy was asked if they told him what he was doing was wrong and he said, "No, if I did I wouldn't have done it"...Now....if you don't know that it is illegal to register more than one time, then perhaps you should not be voting period. The arrogance, blatant disregard for the law, and obvious panic from the left is just astounding. Are they that scared that he can't win on his own? I don't believe the polls...I've never been called and asked who I am voting for...that's because I work during the day...perhaps it's just Democrats that are already living the good life on Welfare that are home to answer their phones. Or, it could also be that when they don't like the answer, they hang up, don't record the answer, or just go ahead and mark Osama. Either way, I refuse to believe that that many people in this country are stupid. I know there are quite a few...Code Pink, MoveOn.org., 95% of Hollywood, 100% of liberals/democrats...but honestly, when you compare the two candidates, it's good vs. evil, plain and simple. Everyday there is a new scandal out about Obama. What's been said about McCain? He can't use a computer! OMG!!! NO!!! Wake up people...socialism is not good, doesn't work. Just ask all those European countries that imploded...we're next

Posted by: Kaci Ayres | October 17, 2008 10:03 AM

This is for Stanley...

There is a big difference in being in a picture with ACORN, and brainwashing young people into becoming left-wing activists. Also, McCain isn't the one committing voter fraud!!! DUH! Very bad argument on your part. Very bad.

Posted by: Kaci Ayres | October 17, 2008 10:04 AM

This is in response to LibertyGazette...how is making people commit fraud by giving them food and money a "good thing"? You can help the poor, uneducated, whatever group of people, without committing fraud. ACORN is NOT doing the right thing. Have you not been listening? Everyday it's something else, Mickey Mouse is now registered, a 7 year old girl is registered...dead people...who the hell is that helping? It sure isn't strengthening our democratic process as you mentioned. It's undermining everything that is right about this country. We have the right to vote for who we want to....not to be made to vote for the poor black man...give me a break.

Posted by: Kaci Ayres | October 17, 2008 10:07 AM

It is interesting to see how so many people can be influenced by a story that is actually insignificant. People want to be outraged and the press can make mountains out of molehills to stoke that desire for outrage. The real issue here is that 200,000 voters might be disenfranchised because there are a few illegitimate registrations that will not even result in illegitimate votes. So the real outrage is, as in so many elections in the past, the Republicans are preying on the fears and prejudices of the uninformed and trying to take the right to vote away from those who might vote Democratic. That is the travesty. That is what is outrageous.

Posted by: Jim Dandy | October 17, 2008 10:53 AM

"Barack Obama the community organizer was doing the same voter registration fraud from the beginning. That's how he got where he is now. Look up 'Project Vote'"


Barack Obama is a supporter of community organizations and having people (not just Democrats) registered to vote. He fully supports both of these. Neither has anything to do with EMPLOYEES of a particular organization VIOLATING COMPANY POLICY AND U.S. LAW. Those who did are criminals and will be prosecuted as such. ANOTHER thing that Barack Obama supports...

Posted by: Agnostic Engineer | October 17, 2008 12:59 PM

"The arrogance, blatant disregard for the law, and obvious panic from the left is just astounding. Are they that scared that he can't win on his own?"


You are just proving OUR point. There is NO REASON any DEMOCRAT would take this kind of risk. The lies and deceit of the Republican party have all but shored up this election FOR the Democrats.

Please, show me the records that ANYONE at ACORN encouraged their employees to be deadbeats and submit fraudulent registrations. Show me ANY EVIDENCE that ANYONE besides certain dishonest employees were involved.

You would think that an ORCHESTRATED effort would involve realistic, non-duplicated, or other easily identifiable names...

Posted by: Anonymous | October 17, 2008 1:07 PM

"Everyday there is a new scandal out about Obama. What's been said about McCain? He can't use a computer! OMG!!! NO!!! Wake up people...socialism is not good, doesn't work. Just ask all those European countries that imploded...we're next"


Actually, the Republicans are just digging up old disproved lies. The only new information of late is that the "Troopergate" investigation concluded that Gov. Palin HAD abused her power as governor. STILL, Republicans are trying to spin that as somehow a good thing...

Posted by: Anonymous | October 17, 2008 1:12 PM

Taxes for the rich = socialism
Taxes for the poor = fairness?
Taxes for the middle class = reality...

Posted by: Anonymous | October 17, 2008 1:14 PM

I for one am outraged. My constitutional rights are being violated due to the fact my vote is being watered down by Obama's Motor Voter law. This is certainly not just about ACORN's Voter registration fraud, it has actually been proven now that actual VOTER FRAUD has been committed in the early voting through Obama's Motor Voter LOOPHOLE! This is a disgrace to the history of democracy. Obama tried to play it off and that is BS. If it was going the other way and some extreme right wing group was committing voter fraud evry single citizen in the entire USA would already know about it through the main stream press' playing it 24/7 as well every newspaper placing it on the front page above the fold. We can't have double standards here....The History of democracy depends on our example. Iraq is putting us to shame these days on this issue. Maybe we should make every voter stick their finger in ink jars.

No matter what political party you belong to....You should be outraged!

Posted by: Mateo Sumeo | October 17, 2008 1:57 PM

"Taxes for the rich...socialism"

I don't understand the left's insistence on taxing the rich to "Spread the wealth". They ridicule the idea that money trickles down. But in capitalism that is just the way it works. Think about it......how many people living in poverty do you know that make a pay role each week. How many people living in poverty start businesses and create jobs. Honestly people, the only alternative theory other than the "trickle down" theory is the "trickle up so it can trickle back down". I say we cut out the middle man and let people keep THEIR money so they can create JOBS. Or we can tax the heck out of them and then destroy jobs by pushing already struggling businesses over the edge. At a minimum logic tells us if you tax the upper middle class and upper class they will have less money to invest....if you don't grasp this concept then maybe you should have gone to a charter school.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 17, 2008 2:06 PM

The plan is coming into view ----

Plant twisted stories about Acorn into the media and make it appear as if this is somehow Obama changing the vote count. IT ISN'T. A company the Obama campaign employed hired a bunch of other companies and one of those was Acorn, an organization that Obama and the Justice Dept. once represented in a case.

Acorn itself reported that some workers had simply made up names and added those to their paperwork so they could make more money. Those names DON'T COUNT. They do not vote. This is not "voter fraud" as not a single vote has been created using this method. It doesn't work that way.

However, the fraudulent voter machines are STILL in place and set to flip votes for McCain just as they did with Bush. The PLAN is to obscure this by making a big noise using Acorn and other smoke screens. Don't buy into it.

btw- Obama hasn't had a thing to do with Acorn since he represented them 13 years ago. McCain, on the other hand, spoke at an event praising Acron and giving them his full support in 2006.

This scam will not work.

Posted by: nadafakeplumber | October 17, 2008 2:09 PM

Whats going to happen to McCain when the news comes out,that Joe the plumber was a plant hired by the McCain camp?
Its already being investigated and its been proven that Joe has always been a conservative voter,he doesnt have a plumbers lic.,he's behind in his taxes and has never made close to the $250K he was worried about taxes on..Just another lie from the republicans!! Whats new?

Posted by: 1 | October 17, 2008 3:03 PM

The trickle down theory has never worked and still dont!The proof of this is in front of everyone right now.All those businesses that recieved the tax breaks are laying people off right and left,yeah they are trickling down employees and cutting saleries and still banking the write offs.Tell me why Exxon mobil deserves another 3 billion in write off's and government funding when they made 68 billion? Id say our country had been trickled down enough!!

Posted by: 1 | October 17, 2008 3:11 PM

No one seems to be seeing what is going on here. The ficticious voters do not have people pretending to be them. What seems to be happening is that ACORN plants poll watchers and officials at the polls as Republicans.

Last year in Washington state, when the polls closed the Republican candidate for Governor was ahead. Then, after the polls closed, miraculously the workers "found" a box of uncounted ballots which reversed the result and elected the Democrat.

Now, is this not leading to the question whether the poll workers submitted fraudulent votes using real voters who did not vote, and fictious voters sufficent to steal the election?

After all, this is a lot simpler than trying to vote the ficticious names, and it is foolproof and easy to do.

ACORN would be stupid to do anything else.

Posted by: Arthur Lemay | October 17, 2008 3:23 PM

In response to Ms. Ayres:

2006: John McCain courted ACORN when he stood to gain from their support, as for his proposed Secure America and Orderly Immigration Act. While delivering the keynote address at a Miami rally sponsored by ACORN and other community groups, he gushed, "What makes America special, is what's in this room tonight. That's what makes America special."

2008: Now that ACORN has registered over one million young people, minorities, and poor and working-class voters - many of whom perhaps more likely to vote for the Democratic ticket than his own - McCain accuses the organization of "perpetrating one of the greatest frauds in voter history in this country, maybe destroying the fabric of democracy.”

This is fact, not opinion. Senator McCain has solicited ACORN's support in the past, when it suited his purposes, and now denounces their afforts, when they do not. I stand by my argument.

Pre-election attacks on ACORN by the GOP are nothing new; the same accusations have been made in both 2004 and 2006. In not a single instance, however, has an ACORN member been prosecuted. In fact, two US attorneys were fired by the [Bush administration's] Justice Department for their refusal to prosecute, on what they insisted were unprovable allegations.

Posted by: StanleyMN | October 17, 2008 3:24 PM

The problem is NOT about vote fraud.

Even if a person makes mistakes in his registration form, it is NOT vote fraud. What would happen is that person wouldn't be allowed to vote.

Still, Acorn CHECKS the forms vor VALID, NOT VALID, and SUSPICIOUS.

This has NOTHING to do with Obama. But the McCain campaign is DISTORTING the situation to incite hate and fear in un-informed people.

THOSE are more to be feared and repudiated for making FALSE statements for personal intrest.

Posted by: El Mugroso | October 17, 2008 3:55 PM

The Republican Party is about to be TROUNCED !
They will do anything to change the subject!
It wont work this time little Rovies !
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Why would America REWARD complete Republican failure ?

We wont.

Posted by: PulSamsara | October 17, 2008 7:03 PM

acorn has become the republican party's WMD's of this election... sad but true...

Where are they?
lets raid the offices.. or bomb a country, whatever....

Posted by: joeldg | October 18, 2008 12:47 AM

In order to vote:
26 states NO ID required at all
24 states ID of some sort
Only 6 states require a PHOTO ID!

Posted by: TruthSpeaker | October 22, 2008 9:56 AM

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