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Alaska Turnout, Results Raise Questions

POSTED: 03:16 PM ET, 11/ 6/2008 by Derek Kravitz


A woman votes with the help of her daughter at a polling center in Saxman, Alaska, Nov. 4. Despite Gov. Sarah Palin's spot on the Republican ticket, turnout among Alaskans for this year's presidential election is not expected to eclipse the state's 66 percent turnout from 2004. (Hall Anderson / AP)

Alaskans are different. Very different.

Elections officials, party leaders and voters are wondering what happened this Tuesday in the Last Frontier, where turnout was surprisingly low and two lawmakers who have been the focus of FBI corruption investigations appear to have been reelected despite polling suggesting they would be ousted.

The final voter turnout numbers won't be available until absentee ballots are counted, which could take at least another week. But this year's total is not expected to eclipse Alaska's 66 percent turnout in 2004 or its 60 percent clip in 2000. (This is especially odd given that Alaska's Board of Elections saw a 12.4 percent hike in turnout for the August primaries, before Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin was selected as the Republican Party's vice presidential nominee.)

Alaska returns (without the uncounted absentee and contested ballots) show the McCain-Palin ticket garnering 136,348 votes. In 2004, President Bush got 190,889 votes, a "significant disparity", the Anchorage Press reported. "These numbers only add to the oddity of this election in Alaska; in the run-up to Tuesday, Alaskan voters seemed energized to vote for a ticket with our governor on it, despite the barrage of criticism Palin faced."

Couple the dip in support for McCain-Palin with surprising victories for longtime Alaska Sen. Ted Stevens, who was found guilty Oct. 27 on seven felony charges, and Rep. Don Young, who is under investigation by the FBI, and a lot of pollsters and voters were left stumped.

Pollster Del Ali of the Maryland firm Research 2000, which tracked the House and Senate races in Alaska, said he was "not happy" how the races -- and dead wrong polling numbers -- turned out. Research 2000 had reported in the days before the election that Democratic challenger Mark Begich, an Anchorage attorney, was leading the 84-year-old Stevens by 22 percentage points (Daily Kos apparently paid for the polls).

Other pollsters didn't fare much better. Anchorage pollster and Republican political consultant David Dittman, a Stevens supporter, predicted a "solid Begich win." The national polling firm, Rasmussen Reports, accurately predicted every Senate race in the country within the margin of error in their most recent polls -- except Alaska. Alaska pollsters Ivan Moore, Craciun Research Group and Hays Research Group all also had Stevens and Young trailing in the lead-up to the election.

Some observers pointed to Sen. John McCain's early concession speech as a possible reason for the low turnout -- McCain acknowledged Sen. Barack Obama's win at 7:15 p.m. Alaska time, well before polls closed in the state. An Alaska Republican Party leader told the Fairbanks News-Miner that some voters might have stayed home after hearing Obama had captured the presidency.

But other pundits and political science professors dismissed that theory, saying the high-profile races for Stevens's and Young's seats would not have dissuaded voters from showing up at the polls. Other pollsters thought Palin drew new Republican voters to the polls early on, and that voting largely subsided after Obama claimed victory.

As the head-scratching continues, we'll be watching to see how Stevens's fellow senators decide to deal with his felony conviction conundrum.

By Derek Kravitz |  November 6, 2008; 3:16 PM ET Election 2008 , Stevens Trial
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I smell a rat...

Posted by: Hawkestreet | November 6, 2008 3:42 PM

I smell a rat, Palin, or a Stevens.... I'm not sure which. They smell so much alike!

Posted by: jeffc6578 | November 6, 2008 3:52 PM

I smell one too.

Posted by: truth1 | November 6, 2008 3:52 PM

It must be the freezing temps in Alaska. How else to explain a Stevens' win, except to blame it on voter brain-freeze. It looks as though the Senate will have an opportunity to deal with Stevens, should he be declared the winner. Stand by for a hell of a show.

Posted by: Diogenes | November 6, 2008 4:06 PM

I find it interesting that with all the reporters that this newspaper, as well as others in the MSM, had in Alaska crawling in dumpsters digging for dirt on Sarah Palin that anything could have happened in Alaska without it being quickly explained. Perhaps things such as voting irregularities just don't seem as important as Sarahs wardrobe costs or how many times she says the word maverick. Keep it up main stream media it's hard hitting issues such as those that make this democracy great!

Posted by: mctscholz | November 6, 2008 4:09 PM

"Smelling a rat" just shows how gullible you are. Democrats are trying ANYTHING to get fillibuster proof numbers. You better believe without fillibusters the public would not hear about the leftist laws being passed. Hopefully Liebermann caucuses with the republicans judging by the way he has been treated by democrats.

The media this election cycle has shown themselves to have 0 credibility and to simply be democratic party mouthpieces. Loss of even basics ethics in media hurts us all.

Posted by: Cryos | November 6, 2008 4:09 PM

I suspect most people here had already voted by 7:15 AST, but it was obvious even before the networks' call that Obama would win, so maybe that had some effect.

And by the way, Stevens has not yet been elected. There are over 55,000 ballots yet to be counted, and his lead is only 3,353 votes. Stay tuned.

Posted by: seeker5 | November 6, 2008 4:11 PM

This is likely a good example of people lying to pollsters. Small state, seige of corruption scandals embarassing them, outsiders calling to get their views.

Nowhere in the article does it say something like "absentee ballots comprised 35% of all turnout in a particular locality this year, while historically this number has always been closer to 3%."

It isn't a crime for an electorate to vote differently from the pollsters' predictions.

Posted by: blasmaic | November 6, 2008 4:14 PM

"And by the way, Stevens has not yet been elected. There are over 55,000 ballots yet to be counted, and his lead is only 3,353 votes. Stay tuned."


Yeah I wonder if democrats have ryder trucks and broom closets on standby for this election.

Posted by: Cryos | November 6, 2008 4:15 PM

I live in Alaska. Alaskans have been told over and over again that Uncle Ted HAS DONE SO MUCH FOR THIS STATE, that they actually believe it. Meanwhile our ferries are all tied up at the dock, the largest open pit mine in the USA is going to be built in Bristol Bay, the Tongass National Forest is being logged off while the taxpayers pay for that, and Uncle Ted is a convicted felon, who has done a hell of a lot more for himself. However without Uncle Ted the "Bridge to Nowhere" pork would never have been obtained. I guess that's what doing a lot for Alaska means to Alaskans.

Posted by: caramello51 | November 6, 2008 4:18 PM

i guess is what they are saying is they dont want liberal crap in there state the tree hugging baby killing freaks can stay in the lower 48

Posted by: getsix1 | November 6, 2008 4:28 PM

if you look at the election map the only blue areas were citys if you count county its all red he only won because most rep saw mccain as a dem he has all the same giveaway attitude as you dear leader read the news the dear leader says he cant deliver what he promised it will be a short 4 years

Posted by: getsix1 | November 6, 2008 4:34 PM

I'm trying to submit the following:

Before we get too caught up with the comparison of the Alaska 2008 results with the 2004 results, one should take a look at an article written in 2006 that raised questions about the 2004 results:

http://dwb.adn.com/news/alaska/story/7386582p-7298824c.html

Another irritating thing about Alaska is that they do not report their results by county, but by election districts. How much trouble would it be for them to convert these election districts to counties?

Posted by: Dr_Data | November 6, 2008 4:35 PM

As the head-scratching continues, we'll be watching to see how Stevens's fellow senators decide to deal with his felony conviction conundrum.
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There is one appropriate way to deal with a senator who was convicted of 7 felony counts, and that is to remove him.

Posted by: davidscott1 | November 6, 2008 4:43 PM

Perhaps things such as voting irregularities just don't seem as important as Sarahs wardrobe costs or how many times she says the word maverick.
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It's interesting how you folks wish to belittle our interest in Palin's clothing budget. For sure its a very minor issue. No argument there.

But....in light of all the major national and world issues Obama spoke of, it was the desire of the McCain camp to belittle Obama with little cheap shots about his past. So its amusing that when we find delight in this crap you are offended.

And let's be honest. Had not Palin stuck her neck out from day one and became a caricature of herself with her embarassing interviews and her sharp personal attacks, all the while claiming they weren't cheap shots but just her patriotic duty to help voters understand the situation, then maybe she wouldn't have drawn so much flak.

And it didn't help to promote her Carhartt and steel toed boot image of her being just like one of us regular folk. If that was the case she should have shoped at Sears and not Neiman-Marcus.

So when she sneaks off to spend a huge wad behind the scenes to dress herself in non-hockey mom outfits, yes we find it amusing. And now we find out she was going for the gusto doing the shopping thing all the while denying it.

Had Cindy gone shopping with her flair and financial status no one would bat an eye. No story there whatever. It fits the image she honestly presents.

But when your hockey mom, loves those Wal-Mart shopping mom's and tries to capitalize on that image, belittling Obama for having a formal education from a great school....well she kinda has to take her shots. We think she is a classic right wing Christian hypocrite.

She brought it upon herself to a certain extent. As they say, "what goes around, comes around."

Posted by: patrick10 | November 6, 2008 4:46 PM

Conservatives have realized due to the dirty, racist, sexist and corrupt tactics this election things like sympathy, compromise , objectivity and a conscience are out the window. It is time to play by liberal rules now. You now get to deal with the consequences of a divided america you created.
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Yes I agree. The Democrats and liberals were way out of line calling McCain a muslim, anti-American, a non-citizen of the US, schooled in a muslim madrassa, associating with terrorists, funded by middle eastern terrorists. And even not reciting the pledge of Allegiance, wearing a flag pin, and removing the American flag from his campaign plane. Not to mention the attacks on his wife for not being a proud American. Why they even claimed McCain had purple lips.

They were just way out of line with all these charges against a good American, John McCain.

How could those Democrats take the low road when all McCain wanted to talk about was the economy, health programs, ending the war, and getting good jobs back for all the unemployed workers in the US?

Those Democrats are so selfish and devise in promoting their own cause ahead of the good of the people. I predict Obama will be very devisive and 180 degress from that wonderful compassionate conservative George Bush was.

Posted by: patrick10 | November 6, 2008 4:57 PM

I saw an interesting opinion about Palin that makes sense more and more. Jealousy is the simple underlying reason for some of the hatred. If Palin was not attractive I bet she would receive a warmer welcome.

Palin was probably the cheerleader type in high school; attractive but intelligent and who still got good grades. They meanwhile were the fish out of water types awkward and in things like the debate club. Many people probably see her as the popular type they were jealous of in high school.

Posted by: Cryos | November 6, 2008 5:12 PM

"The Democrats and liberals were way out of line calling McCain a muslim, anti-American, a non-citizen of the US, schooled in a muslim madrassa, associating with terrorists, funded by middle eastern terrorists. And even not reciting the pledge of Allegiance, wearing a flag pin, and removing the American flag from his campaign plane. Not to mention the attacks on his wife for not being a proud American."


The really funny thing is many of these things are true. So apparently if the truth doesn't meet liberal idealist eutopiua it is racist and negative. Sorry some people believe in a accurate representation of a candidate and don't want some media generated image. Some people value ACTION over WORDS, VOTING RECORDS over CAMPAIGN SLOGANS. Something most Obama supporters can't comprehend.

Posted by: Cryos | November 6, 2008 5:15 PM


"But....in light of all the major national and world issues Obama spoke of, it was the desire of the McCain camp to belittle Obama with little cheap shots about his past. So its amusing that when we find delight in this crap you are offended"

In a Presidential election what normal person can equate Sarahs wardrobe with ties to individuals like ayers. but i guess thats just a reflection of how "racist" all of us republicans are.

Posted by: mctscholz | November 6, 2008 5:19 PM

They are just typical Republicans these days. Felons, criminals, men with "wide stances" in the bathroom. No wonder the country has finally rejected these pigs.

Find some real fiscal conservatives with ANY sense of morality and maybe the Republicans will win some seats back. Otherwise, send your felons to Washington to remind the country who you really are.

Posted by: hacksaw | November 6, 2008 5:28 PM

"Conservatives have realized due to the dirty, racist, sexist and corrupt tactics this election things like sympathy, compromise , objectivity and a conscience are out the window. It is time to play by liberal rules now. You now get to deal with the consequences of a divided america you created."

Uhhh, you just described the strategy McCain/Palin pursued in this election.....

Posted by: caebling | November 6, 2008 5:32 PM

Cryos

who is this psycho? you're just recycling already discredited lies from the campaign. and after the republican tactics of Karl Rove you must not dare for shame talk about 'sympathy, compromise , objectivity'

if you feel rejected its because we do, we reject your bullying and moralizing. hypocrite.

Posted by: Vizier6 | November 6, 2008 5:32 PM

Shannyn Moore, an Anchorage broadcaster and blogger wrote a great detailed piece last night. Her website is:

http://shannynmoore.wordpress.com

Something stinks to high heaven here. I have never seen such large lines to vote in my 17 years in Alaska. I smell a rat and someone here needs to go to JAIL!

Posted by: kwalters1 | November 6, 2008 5:34 PM

"if you look at the election map the only blue areas were citys"

This is true because that's where most of the American people LIVE now. The US ceased to be a "rural" country as of the 1910 census. As of the 2000 census more than 80% of the US population lives in urban and suburban areas. We are no longer a country of "small towns". One reason that the Republican party lost is because they missed this simple fact. Our future is in our cities.

Posted by: caebling | November 6, 2008 5:36 PM

Attention sore losers: Bill Ayers has not been a terrorist for DECADES! he is a pasty college professor at a respected university. you don't have to like him, but Osama Bin Laden is a terrorist, Bill Ayers is a college professor.

give it a rest.

Posted by: Vizier6 | November 6, 2008 5:37 PM

somebody from alaska please if stevens is elected and then expelled who appoints his successor- palin? move over boys the wasilla hillbilly is back and in stlye

Posted by: trjohnson8890122 | November 6, 2008 5:37 PM

"somebody from alaska please if stevens is elected and then expelled who appoints his successor- palin? move over boys the wasilla hillbilly is back and in stlye"

True, but I don't think she can appoint herself to complete the term. At least I hope not. Certainly there is someone in Alaska competent enough to fill the seat.

Posted by: caebling | November 6, 2008 5:39 PM

"We think she is a classic right wing Christian hypocrite."

You captured my sentiment, patrick10.

And cryos, if Palin was not attractive, she would NOT have been invited to the big show. If Palin was not attractive, she would NOT have attracted big crowds nor have gotten media attention.

Face it, Palin got on the GOP ticket for her looks ONLY. She brought nothing else to the game.

Posted by: Intervention | November 6, 2008 5:51 PM

Alaska turnout was low because the media all but called the Presidency by 3 pm local. Stevens and Young were supposed to lose easy. There were few compelling legislative races, one small bond issue, no propositions, McCain-Palin were going to carry Alaska big... and it wouldn't matter.

Posted by: JimAK | November 6, 2008 6:01 PM

Alaska law has been changed. _IF_ Stevens resigns, the governor appoints a temporary Senator but there has to be a special election to fill the seat within 90 days.

Palin would likely win if she ran but I would bet she wants to finish out as Governor first.

Posted by: JimAK | November 6, 2008 6:03 PM

I will just love how time will show what tools the majority of people on this message board are. Have fun wallowing in your ignorance when Carter II completely fails and your left wing socialist agenda takes a step back for another decade or two.

Posted by: Cryos | November 6, 2008 6:05 PM

*** I have never seen such large lines to vote in my 17 years in Alaska. ***

Move. I voted at XYZ Elementary at 8:30; there was nobody in the A-L line, 5 people in the M-Z line

Posted by: JimAK | November 6, 2008 6:05 PM

"Alaska turnout was low because the media all but called the Presidency by 3 pm local."

Probably true. It must suck to be a voter in Alaska and Hawaii. I think we shouldn't announce any national election results until all the polls close in all 50 states. But then, what would Wolf Blitzer do for 16 hours? Maybe he could beam himself around the country via CNN's "hologram" technology. LOL

Posted by: caebling | November 6, 2008 6:07 PM

I never paid attention to Alaska until this presidential election. From what I've read, Alaska's government is corrupt to the core.

Governor Palin's "reform" is starkly identical to the activities she railed against.

And since Alaska's residents are willing to elect a convicted criminal for its legislative representation, it does not shock me that a hundred thousand votes may have been stolen.

Posted by: Intervention | November 6, 2008 6:08 PM

At 3 Alaska time I was watching Fox News. Bill Kristol was shaking his head, saying that McCain would probably lose FL and VA. Didn't take a wizard to figure out what that meant.

Posted by: JimAK | November 6, 2008 6:09 PM

""Alaska turnout was low because the media all but called the Presidency by 3 pm local."

Apply this logic to the 2000 Florida election people on this thread. You'll all have some emotionally based diatribe but here are the facts.

Turnout in the panhandle of Florida was unusually low in 2000. The panhandle votes overwhelmingly republican typically. The major networks called the polls closed almost an hour early. Non-partisan think tanks have conceded that if the polls were not called early there should have been a higher turnout.

A higher turnout would have made any recounts in florida a moot point. Hence any "stealing the election" claims would have been baseless. Gore's attempted "sue into the presidency" wouldn't even have happened.

Posted by: Cryos | November 6, 2008 6:11 PM

I am really concerned about Alaska doing serious damage to the countries gene pool should some of them relocate to the lower 48.

Alaskans had no problem electing a governor who had less knowledge of geography and general civics than a seventh grader - scary.

Perhaps her problem with Africa is because as a secessionist she does not believe that Alaska is a part of the USA.

Posted by: Billy1932 | November 6, 2008 6:11 PM

"Alaska's government is corrupt to the core."

Ever been to Louisiana?

Posted by: caebling | November 6, 2008 6:12 PM

*** I never paid attention to Alaska until this presidential election. From what I've read, Alaska's government is corrupt to the core. ***

WAS corrupt. All of the illegal activity took place when the oil companies used one of their contacts to bribe politicians to keep low taxes in place - and this happened in the years 2000-2004, before Palin was elected Governor.

Posted by: JimAK | November 6, 2008 6:12 PM

Who cares about Florida in 2000? That was, like, so 8 years ago.....

Posted by: caebling | November 6, 2008 6:14 PM

Intervention you are pretty much proving my point. I bet you're of less than average looks and people like Palin rejected you in high school (or if you're a woman you were merely jealous.)

You should go see a psychologist they can help you work out some of these issues so you can stop being jealous of people more successful and attractive than you.

Posted by: Cryos | November 6, 2008 6:14 PM

If Palin ran the oil companies out of the halls of government in Alaska then she deserves more credit than shes gotten. I wish we could do that here in Texas.

Posted by: caebling | November 6, 2008 6:16 PM

*** Alaskans had no problem electing a governor who had less knowledge of geography and general civics than a seventh grade ***

More lies, deliberately spread by the Obama camp. You've been led around by the nose:

The vast flow of information unleashed by the revolution in media technology defined issues and character at warp speed. For months, the worst rumors and conspiracy theories had been aimed at Obama: the Illinois senator had been educated in a Muslim madrassa, he had taken his oath of office on a Qur'an, he was close friends with a former Weatherman bomber from the '60s. But Obama's aides began to notice that the media and blogosphere were now buzzing with comments attributed to Palin—that she wanted to privatize Social Security, that she read the magazine of the ultrarightist John Birch Society, that she had been a member of a political party that wanted Alaska to secede from the United States. The Obama campaign did not have to do anything but watch the rumors fly. "A lot of this is being generated by people in the outside world," the Obama aide noted, adding with a smile that "I believe our rumors are, at worst, truthy," borrowing comic Stephen Colbert's definition of information that sounds true, even if it isn't. The rumor mill was starting to drag down Palin in some key places like the swing state of Florida, where she was regarded in the senior citizens' condos as a dangerous right-winger.

This aide's other metaphor for the world of TV pundits and Internet bloggers was a kids' soccer game. The swarm moved from topic to topic (and target to target) in a pack, like a herd of yelping kids chasing the ball at Saturday-morning soccer. The trick was to try to nudge the ball in a certain direction so all the kids would follow. Sometimes this was as simple as linking news stories and sending them out to Web sites. As reporters descended on Alaska to look into charges that Palin had removed the chief of Alaska's state troopers because he refused to fire Palin's ne'er-do-well ex-brother-in-law, the Obama campaign had only to make sure the stories got wide distribution. As Palin's nomination stirred a feeding frenzy, reporters shifted their attentions from Obama to Palin. Though the Obama campaign had seeded the ground with some oppo research on Palin, with the arrival of investigative reporters like NEWSWEEK's Michael Isikoff "there's no point for us to be on it," the Obama aide noted in mid-September. Isikoff had been writing about Obama's ties to Tony Rezko. Now he was writing about Troopergate. "I thought, 'Go, Mike!' " the aide said. "Especially with the cover-up dynamic."

http://www.newsweek.com/id/167905/page/4

Posted by: JimAK | November 6, 2008 6:18 PM

Let is go Cryos. The election is over.....

Posted by: caebling | November 6, 2008 6:18 PM

Alaskans should be ashamed.

Posted by: the1joncook | November 6, 2008 6:18 PM

Let is go Cryos. The election is over.....

Posted by: caebling


Liberals have been ignoring facts like I stated and haven't "let it go" for 8 years. Just remember the door swings both ways. Expect the same treatment the next 4 years.

Posted by: Cryos | November 6, 2008 6:25 PM

"I am really concerned about Alaska doing serious damage to the countries gene pool should some of them relocate to the lower 48."

C'mon that's a cheap shot. Ever been to Alaska? Alaska is the "last frontier" in the US and is populated by hardy, hard working, fiercely independent people that, sadly, do not exist in the "lower 49" anymore. I live in Texas and would be hard put to relocate to Alaska and endure the climate and other geographical challenges they do on a daily basis. Give'em some respect for simply getting by every day.

Posted by: caebling | November 6, 2008 6:27 PM

trjohnson8890122

This Alaskan can answer your question - If Ted Stevens resigns or whatever his successor will not be appointed by Governor Palin, there will be a special election instead. The governor used to appoint senate seats that went vacant between elections, but when Republican Senator Frank Murkowski was elected governor midway through his senate term, he appointed his daughter to the his senate seat - there was such an outrage that the law was changed to require a special election.

Posted by: anotheractor | November 6, 2008 6:28 PM

"Liberals have been ignoring facts like I stated and haven't "let it go" for 8 years. Just remember the door swings both ways. Expect the same treatment the next 4 years."

How sad. Had McCain been elected he would have been my president because he earned the office. I guess that's what "real americans" do, eh cryos?

Posted by: caebling | November 6, 2008 6:28 PM

BTW, Tapper and ABC had this story up but took it down. Seems they got out there pencils and realized that 136,000 votes have been counted but 60-70,000 absentee and questioned ballots are still outstanding. Add those numbers together and turnout is ahead of 2004.

Oh.

Posted by: JimAK | November 6, 2008 6:33 PM

It is apparent to me that some posters here have very little knowledge about Alaska. For instance, getsix1, Alaska cannot post election results by county. Alaska does not have counties. A little knowledge goes a long way! And don't know, people vote (everywhere) with their wallets. The Democrats came out ahead in most places this time because the wallets are more empty than usual.

Posted by: shootmyownfood | November 6, 2008 6:36 PM

If you could smell rats how did Pelosi and Reid get by?

Posted by: truthteller8 | November 6, 2008 6:42 PM

How sad. Had McCain been elected he would have been my president because he earned the office. I guess that's what "real americans" do, eh cryos?

Posted by: caebling

Nah liberal supporters and the democratic party proved your notions wrong this election cycle.

It has been an eye opener and I realize now I've been naive. At this point I can give a damn about liberals viewpoints or the people themselves. Many poor are ignorant and deserve to wallow in the poverty they create.

Nice try but like I stated many conservatives are immune to liberal BS manipulation after this election. We are playing by your rules now.

I know that actions having consequences is tough for liberals to understand but now you get the same treatment you have given and have no one to thank but yourselves.

Posted by: Cryos | November 6, 2008 6:44 PM

Unfortunately Lieberman is most likel;y going back to the Dems next week..

Posted by: truthteller8 | November 6, 2008 6:49 PM

My earlier numbers were wrong. So far, 224,000 votes have been counted and there are around 70,000 absentee and provisionals still be counted. That would give a total of 294,000, just below the 312,000 who voted in 2004. Given the fact that Obama was all but declared the winner by 3, that's no big surprise.

Posted by: JimAK | November 6, 2008 6:56 PM

"Unfortunately Lieberman is most likel;y going back to the Dems next week..

Posted by: truthteller8"

That depends if they need him for a fillibuster. If they have 60 with him they'll do anything to keep him.

Gotta love how even though he votes mostly democratic he gets blackballed for not following the party line. That is the "tolerant" democrats for ya. Do what we say not what we do. The illusion is over for many and they know what liberals are about; your ruse is up.

Posted by: Cryos | November 6, 2008 7:02 PM

Perhaps the problem with Alaska voters is those long winter nights and lack of fresh vegetables. Must scramble the brain or something.

Posted by: Wildtrace | November 6, 2008 8:18 PM

Ok so maybe Neimen marcus dresses aren't the only thing Sarah steals... elections too?

But what is the recourse here?

can the election be challenged?

what kind of voting system does AK use? is it like MN with paper ballots and optical scanners???

Can we steal it back from them?

Posted by: dkliman | November 6, 2008 8:40 PM

"Another irritating thing about Alaska is that they do not report their results by county, but by election districts. How much trouble would it be for them to convert these election districts to counties?"

The simple reason for this is that Alaska does not have counties.

"what kind of voting system does AK use? is it like MN with paper ballots and optical scanners???"

Yes, paper ballots, optical scananers.

Posted by: seeker5 | November 6, 2008 9:02 PM

Ive lived in Alaska for 30 years, I personally would rather have a corrupt republican than an honest dem. This is the greatest country in the land and if you have a problem with that. Don't visit. Pay attention to your own problems. Have a nice day.

Posted by: m_bison | November 6, 2008 9:29 PM

Breaking: "Alaska Sen - about 74k votes to be counted (tietack)
http://www.elections.alaska.go... The votes yet to be counted for Alaska fall into 3 categories:

Absentee 48968
Early Votes 9507
Questioned Votes 16052

Don't know the history. At least in WA, absentees normally break for the D. Don't know if that holds true in AK. I'm guessing the "questioned" votes category, however, might include things like provisional ballots. So it's possible that Begich will make gains in all three categories. Not enough data to know if that'll be enough, or perhaps Palin put the fix in that election. Begich is behind in the current count by about 3200 votes."

Posted by: osullivanc1 | November 6, 2008 9:42 PM

Don't tell me that Washington Post readers can't figure out how Alaska works. This is simply shocking, shocking. You are going to be in for a big surprise very shortly.
In the meantime, find something else to do -like working on your resume.Or read alaskadispatch.com or alaskareport.com.

Posted by: steveconn1 | November 6, 2008 9:58 PM

"I never paid attention to Alaska until this presidential election. From what I've read, Alaska's government is corrupt to the core."

I wonder who exactly it was who wrote those arcticles? haha.


Posted by: orionkrauss | November 6, 2008 10:09 PM

Posted by: getsix1 | November 6, 2008 4:34 PM

Check your keyboard. Most of them come with punctuation now.

Posted by: lilylight | November 6, 2008 10:14 PM

I am an Alaskan, and I live in Anchorage.

You will find that most Alaskans like their liberties (i.e. guns), don't like bigger government nor taxes, and are conservative socially.

Stevens is presently ahead in the voting because the alternative was even more distasteful - a tax and spend liberal democrat. Begich raised property taxes in Anchorage 54% in the last six years - a much higher increase that the average wage increase. He was involved in giving sweetheart deals to friends, and had his own corruption problems.

When it came down to it, many Alaskans voted for Stevens even though he may be forced to resign so that there will be an election with a choice of a Republican conservative in the race.

What this says is just how bad a candidate Begich was.

Posted by: kaliahk | November 6, 2008 10:18 PM

This is one swamp that needs to be drained!!!

Posted by: okjoel | November 6, 2008 10:46 PM

for mctscholz You lost! Hold your guts and weep!

Posted by: ridingthepoint | November 6, 2008 11:47 PM

Somewhere in a Alaska, there is a line of GMC trucks stuffed with big black garbage bags full of shredded ballots -- and their headed toward a big ravine.

Obama won Alaska. Prove me wrong.

Posted by: Mysticalsister | November 7, 2008 1:52 AM

Here is a report from FoxNews that states that Sarah Palin thought Africa was a country, not a continent. She also couldn't name the countries involved in NAFTA, the North American Free Trade Agreement (I'll give you a hint, there are 3 countries in the North American free trade agreement. Her state of Alaska is part of one, and neighbors another one).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3dkiWncf2k&feature=related

That is Bill O'Reilly's show on FoxNews. Everyone here stupid enough to think Palin is smart, I dare you to say that this is just the "liberal" media attacking Palin.
Go ahead, call FoxNews "liberal" as you defend Sarah "Going Rogue" Palin.

Posted by: MartinHorn | November 7, 2008 2:44 AM

The question not answered in the piece: what voting machines did they use? diebold, like here in georgia where the vote was stolen just like that, the vote results didn't look at all like the poles, pre or exit. voting machines are more loosely controlled than one arm bandits, yeah right they're never manipulated and one of these guys is a convicted criminal?! on the other hand if alaska really did elect palin as gov., well...

Posted by: stalindolf | November 7, 2008 11:16 AM

Diebold Electronic Voting used in Alaska.

Same machines that were shown to be hackable and error prone in California and Florida.

Posted by: justamom2 | November 7, 2008 11:35 AM

Recent elections have shown that there are fools on both sides of the ticket, both voters and candidates. What disturbs me the most, however, is the school playground "Nyah, nyah" attitude on both sides in these blogs. No wonder we're in the state we're in! Until we can learn to work together, things aren't going to change.
I am part of a growing group of people who actually vote for a candidate or an issue, not a party. This year for me was just another lesser of two evils choice, although I am at this time cautiously optimistic. And, as for Alaska electing Ted Stevens again, is it any different than an eastern state that has reelected another Ted for decades? At least Stevens went to trial for his crimes.

Posted by: fedup22 | November 7, 2008 11:45 AM

GOP Sues Diebold for Breach of Contract: Failing to ‘Fix’ Presidential Election!!!

Bill Bennet, outraged Neocon propaganda parrot, had this to say to Wolf Blitzer on CNN last night:

“WOLF, YOU REALLY HAVE TO WONDER WHAT KIND OF SOCIETY WE HAVE WHEN CORPORATIONS FAIL TO LIVE UP TO THEIR LEGAL AND MORAL OBLIGATIONS.”

http://satiricalpolitical.com/?p=4595

Posted by: kevinschmidt | November 7, 2008 11:52 AM

In Alaska, more people voted for George W. Bush in 2004 than for Sarah Palin on Tuesday despite an identical 61-36 margin of victory. Yes. Only four years ago 54,304 Alaskans got off their sofas and voted for Bush, but decided to sit home and not vote for Palin in 2008.

In turn, I have to ignore the 30,520 Alaskans who felt progressive enough in 2004 to vote for John Kerry, but weren’t inspired to vote for Barack Obama. I would have to glance past the 1,700% increase in the Democratic caucus in February, the 20,991 newly registered voters, and the three largest political rallies in Alaska’s history. I would also have to forget the people I stood in a long line with to early vote.

It would be helpful not to know every other presidential election since Alaska began keeping records has had a larger turn out than the one we just had with our own Governor on the ticket. Try not to remember 12.4% more Alaskans showed up for the August primary as compared to four years ago, before the Palin nomination.

Don’t think about the Lower 49’s record voter turn out this year either. Try to delete the memory file, though difficult, that 80% of us approved of Sarah Palin just two months ago.

Four years ago, 313,592 out of 474,740 registered voters in Alaska participated in the election-a 66% turnout. Taking into account 49,000 outstanding ballots, on Tuesday 272,633 out of 495,731 registered Alaskans showed up at the polls; a turnout of 54.9%. That’s a decrease of more than 11% in voter turnout even though passions ran high for and against Barack Obama, as well as for and against Sarah Palin!

This year, early voters set a new record. As of last Thursday, with 4 days left to vote early, 15,000 Alaskans showed up-shattering the old record set in 2004 by 28%! Consider the most popular governor in history-and now the most polarizing-was on the Republican ticket. Consider the historic nature of this race; the first African American presidential candidate EVER! The second woman to ever make a presidential ticket; and she’s one of our own. Despite that, we’re supposed to believe that overall participation DECREASED by 11%.

Not only that, but this historic election both nationally and for Alaska HAD THE LOWEST ALASKA TURNOUT FOR A PRESIDENTIAL RACE EVER!!! That makes sense. REALLY??? Something stinks.

http://shannynmoore.wordpress.com/2008/11/06/stolen-election-in-alaska/

Posted by: kevinschmidt | November 7, 2008 12:11 PM

Pre election polls had both Mark Begich-D and Ethan Berkowitz-D solidly beating incumbents Senator Ted Stevens and Congressman Don Young by at least 6-10 points. Stevens is currently ahead by 3,353 votes with 49,000 ballots left to count. Berkowitz, however, is behind by 16,887 votes; a 51-43 margin.

Are we to believe Don Young came from an 8 point average polling deficit to win by 8 points-a whopping 16 point turnaround??? Remember how historic the pundits thought Hillary Clinton’s come from behind New Hampshire Primary victory was? [There is now evidence to show someone stole the NH Primary for Clinton] She trailed Barack Obama by 9% in the pre primary polls and ended up winning by 2 points. It was called the most “stunning comeback in political history.” On Election Night, Don Young topped Hillary Clinton’s startling and unprecedented comeback.

Furthermore, there were nearly three thousand Alaskans, (2,783) that voted yet left the hotly contested congressional race blank. In the highly publicized senate race, complete with a nationally covered trial that ended with seven felony convictions for the incumbent, 1,392 Alaskans submitted a ballot and failed to register a vote in the senate race.

I’m not sure statistically what that means, but it strikes me as odd that well over a thousand Alaskans would wait in long lines and not cast a vote in either the senate race or the congressional race-especially since there was only one ballot measure. In addition, this particular election had an extra high degree of local interest with Governor Palin on the national stage.

McCain-Palin was ahead in Alaska pre election polling by as much as 55-40. The Haysresearch Poll that came out Sunday indicated that gap had closed to 2.7 points! That poll was certainly consistent with Palin’s reverse meteoric fall in popularity within the state of Alaska. In that same Haysresearch Poll released on November 2, Question 2 addressed Governor Palin’s positive-negative rating. 11% of Alaskans surveyed said their opinion of Palin had become more positive while 37% indicated they were more negative towards Palin.

Yesterday’s vote contradicts those polls. McCain-Palin won Alaska 61-36! A 25 POINT SPREAD!!! An identical point spread as the 2004 Election.

http://shannynmoore.wordpress.com/2008/11/06/stolen-election-in-alaska/

Posted by: kevinschmidt | November 7, 2008 12:15 PM

WHAT'S LESS FUNNY THAN AL FRANKLIN? HIS STOLEN ELECTION!!!

' * While all of Minnesota votes on paper ballots, thankfully. Though all of those ballots are scanned, rather than counted, on proprietary optical-scan systems made by either ES&S or Diebold. Both companies produce systems that regularly fail to count and/or record ballots correctly.

* The majority of counties use the ES&S M-100, precinct-based optical scanner. As we noted on Monday, that same scanner was found, according to a letter sent to the U.S. Election Assistance Commission (EAC) by a county in MI, to have failed pre-election "logic and accuracy testing". The M-100, according to the letter from county officials, “reported inconsistent vote totals", such that “The same ballots run through the same machines, yielded different results each time.” Public Record has more details tonight.

* Two of Minnesota's three largest counties (Anoka and Dakota) use the Diebold AccuVote OS scanners to "count" their ballots. That system is the same one seen being hacked via its memory card in the Emmy-nominated HBO documentary Hacking Democracy.'

*

(By the way, the Diebold op-scanner used above, and in MN, was also used in January's New Hampshire primary when pre-election polls and exit polls determined Obama would be the winner, only to see him lose to Hillary Clinton. Obama was found to have won in the 20% of NH which counts their ballots by hand. While Clinton won, by an almost precisely flipped margin, in the 80% of NH that used the Diebold op-scan system seen being hacked in the mock-election seen being manipulated in the clip above.)

* In late August of this year, Diebold admitted, while being sued because of it by the state of Ohio, that their GEMS central tabulator system routinely drops thousands of votes, without giving notice, while they are being uploaded from memory cards to the main server. That failed GEMS tabulator model was used yesterday, with both Diebold's touch-screen and op-scan systems, in some 34 states across the country.

An automatic recount has been triggered in the Franken/Coleman race, and will take place mid-November. I haven't checked yet as to whether it'll be a machine or hand recount --- hopefully the latter --- but it looks like I have time to find out later (Updated: News accounts say it will be by hand). Either way, hopefully the ballots --- both voted and unvoted --- will be carefully guarded and their chain of custody will be secure, transparent and well-documented between now and then.

If you'd like more details on all of these concerns, Al, feel free to contact me. All is forgiven. Sorta. Just as long as you don't concede before every vote is counted, and counted accurately.

http://www.bradblog.com/?p=6641

Posted by: kevinschmidt | November 7, 2008 12:23 PM

What In The Hell Happened in Alaska?

'Although Ted Stevens holds a small lead in Alaska and is the favorite to retain his seat, the outcome is not as inevitable as it might appear to be. Stevens currently holds a lead of 3,353 votes, or about 1.5 percent of the votes tallied so far. But, there are quite a large number of ballots yet to count. According to Roll Call, these include "at least 40,000 absentee ballot, 9,000 early voting ballots, and an undetermined number of questionable ballots".

Indeed, it seems possible that the number of "questionable" ballots could be quite high. So far, about 220 thousand votes have been processed in Alaska. This compares with 313 thousand votes cast in 2004. After adding back in the roughly 50,000 absentee and early ballots that Roll Call accounts for, that would get us to 270 thousand ballots, or about a 14 percent drop from 2004. It seems unlikely that turnout would drop by 14 percent in Alaska given the presence of both a high-profile senate race and Sarah Palin at the top of the ticket.

But even if Begich were to make up ground and win a narrow victory, this would seem to represent a catastrophic failure of polling, as three polls conducted following the guilty verdict in Stevens' corruption trial had Begich leading by margins of 7, 8 and 22 points, respectively.

The emerging conventional wisdom is that there was some sort of a Bradley Effect in this contest -- voters told pollsters that they weren't about to vote for that rascal Ted Stevens, when in fact they were perfectly happy to. Convicted felons are the new black, it would seem.

The problem with this theory is that the polling failures in Alaska weren't unique to Stevens. They also applied to the presidential race, as well as Alaska's at-large House seat. In each case, the Republican outperformed his pre-election polling by margins ranging from 12 to 14 points'

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/11/what-in-hell-happened-in-alaska.html

Posted by: kevinschmidt | November 7, 2008 12:29 PM

To get back to the article- every poll had Stevens and Young trailing. Every. Single. One. Voting in the primaries was up. Registrations were up. Early voting was up. Alaska's governor on the ticket. Long lines reported. Yet, despite all evidence to the contrary, conservatives and republicans here cry foul on the dems? I read nothing but vitriolic pettiness from your side, not to mention a WHOLE 'lotta ignorance. Good luck with that!

Posted by: colinjames71 | November 7, 2008 12:36 PM

2008 MASSIVE ELECTION FRAUD NOW DOCUMENTED:

http://www.bbvforums.org/forums/messages/8/8.html

Posted by: kevinschmidt | November 7, 2008 12:46 PM

More documented GOP inspired Election Fraud:

http://www.velvetrevolution.us/prosecute_rove/

Posted by: kevinschmidt | November 7, 2008 12:47 PM

Not for nothing but as a lifelong independent and moderate, I can't believe that a majority of voters would choose to elect a 7 time felon. Something is definitely rotten in the state of... Er... Alaska.

Posted by: veeve | November 7, 2008 1:19 PM

Wasn't it "Seward's Folly," buying Alaska? I say give it back to Russia (which you can see from Alaska.)

Posted by: mauialoha | November 7, 2008 1:33 PM

'E-Voting Machines Used in Disputed Franken, Coleman Race Failed Tests

Electronic voting machines that a Michigan election official said last week incorrectly tabulated vote counts during pre-election tests in the state were used in Minnesota where the senate race between Republican incumbent Norm Coleman and Democratic challenger Al Franken is in dispute.

According to an Oct. 24 letter sent to the federal Election Assistance Commission (EAC), Ruth Johnson, the Oakland County Clerk/Register of Deeds, warned that tabulating software in Election Systems & Software M-100 optical scan voting machines recorded “conflicting” vote counts during testing in her state.

Minnesota voters uses optical scan ballots that voters mark by hand. ES&S's M-100 optical scan voting was used in Minnesota counties and in more than a dozen other states on Election Day.

The Associated Press declared Coleman the winner early Wednesday, but hours later the wire service “uncalled” the race. Franken told reporters Wednesday "this is a long election and it's going to be a little longer."

Still, that the electronic voting machines manufactured by Election Systems & Software (ES&S) that were used in Minnesota Tuesday are said to be unreliable calls into question the integrity of the election.

Johnson, the Oakland County Clerk, said in her letter last week to the EAC that the M-100 voting machines used in four communities Tuesday “reported inconsistent vote totals during their logic and accuracy testing.”

“The same ballots run through the same machines, yielded different results each time,” says the letter addressed to Rosemary Rodriguez, the chairwoman of the Election Assistance Commission. “ES&S determined that the primary issue [that caused the machines to formulate incorrect vote counts] was dust and debris build-up on the sensors inside the M-100” voting machine. “This has impacted the Digital to Analog Converter (DAC) settings for the two Contact Image Sensors (CIS).”

"This begs the question,” Johnson wrote. “On Election Day, will the record number of ballots going through the remaining tabulators leave even more build-up on the sensors, affecting machines that tested fine just initially? Could this additional build-up on voting tabulators that have not had any preventative maintenance skew vote totals?

“My understanding is that the problem could occur and election workers would have no inkling that ballots are being misread.”

A spokesman for ES&S did not return calls for comment.

Election activists in the state said voting machines malfunctioned in several counties, and there were cases where voters disappeared from the rolls.'

http://www.pubrecord.org/politics/474-e-voting-machines-used-in-franken-coleman-race-failed-tests.html

Posted by: kevinschmidt | November 7, 2008 1:47 PM

I guess it would not be too hard for the Rethuglicans to rig an election up in Alaska.
Why they could just bury some of the hard drives or other guts of the voting machines into a snow bank alongside a deserted fence post -- sort of like in that movie Fargo.

Posted by: roy12560 | November 7, 2008 2:18 PM

getsix1 - AK doesn’t have counties. Its not organized that way, and instead uses Boroughs. Consider that the Anchorage Borough is the aprox size of the state of Long Island in square miles, reporting by the districts with in makes more sense.

mctscholz - "Democrats are trying ANYTHING to get filibuster proof numbers." Yea, I agree that they are trying anything, up to and including counting all the votes cast for a senate seat. Probably a good thing to have done in every election, even when we don’t like who might win. I would hope that any member of any party would support counting all ballots when there is enough of them to possibly change the results, since the equal application of the principle is good for all of us in the long run.

Posted by: cnewman1 | November 7, 2008 2:48 PM

Just realized that I misread who the submitters were there- its not getsix1 and mctscholz. My error - it's Dr_Data and Cryos I meant to address. Sorry about that.

Posted by: cnewman1 | November 7, 2008 2:51 PM

This from "Kelly" at "The Eclectic Quill":

I have a question for any and all conservatives. I understand that you feel the world is about to collapse underneath your feet on Tuesday. I felt the same way 8 years ago when it looked like there’d be an all Republican rule. I was worried about fighting an unending war, a President who would be nonchalant about terrorism until it was too late, and most of all, I was worried about what an unrestrained Republican party would do with deregulating and irresponsible tax cuts, and what that might do to the economy. Gee, looks like I was right to worry. So, yes, I can understand why you’re worried, but let’s discuss some slight possibilities here. If, and I know for you it’s a big, whopping, "if", but let’s consider IF all of the following are true.

IF in four years the economy is better.

IF in four years your income has gone up.

IF in four years you still have your house and your job.

IF in four years you make less than $200,000 and your taxes haven’t gone up.

IF in four years small businesses are up.

IF in four years the mortgage crisis is over.

IF in four years you still have your religious freedom.

IF in four years health care has not been nationalized.

IF in four years we still haven’t been conquered by the terrorists.

IF in four years there hasn’t been another 9-11.

IF in four years you are still allowed to own your hunting rifles.

IF in four years there is still heterosexual marriage.

IF in four years the abortion rate is lower than it is now.

IF in four years Wright, Farrakhan and Ayers are names from the past, and not the Obama Cabinet.

IF in four years the world is not in a universal recession.

IF in four years, the American Flag is still in the Oval Office.

IF in four years the White House hasn’t been painted black.

IF in four years we still haven’t nationalized the means of production.

IF in four years you are personally better off than you are now, and America is better off than it is now.

So here’s my question for you. IF, and only IF all of the above are true. Will you then admit you were wrong about Obama?

http://theeclecticquill.com/2008/11/02/if%E2%80%94a-question-for-conservatives/

Posted by: colinjames71 | November 7, 2008 3:31 PM

Let's hope that someone in that forsaken place, that has to be filled with ????, will get to the bottom of this. It is now a proven fact that Stevens can be bought...it only stands to reason that in a place like that? he could also buy.

Posted by: Grissom1001 | November 7, 2008 6:42 PM

There is absolutely NO DOUBT that the election results in Alaska have been "altered". This was the last ditch Neo-con strategy - ensuring the Dems do not get a 60 seat majority in the Senate. The Alaskan Senate seats were probably the easiest to steal. I am quite sure that Minnesota's Norm Coleman was the beneficiary of some neo-con sleaze as well - there is no way he has more votes than Franken. No way. He was down by almost 12% in the polls before the election and the exit polls. There is no way Coleman won legitimately. Funny, he got into the Senate in very strange way as well - the "accidental" death of Paul Wellstone in a plane crash. Sorry, not buying that either. Coleman has proven his sleaze over and over and over and over and over and over and over. The fact that he is the only one in Minnesota that has called the election in his favor says alot about his character. (He has none). In a fair election, Franken wins in a landslide. Sorry, that's just common sense and the facts.

Posted by: stpa0001 | November 7, 2008 6:44 PM

Come on...
Alaska has been ill-served, even SHAFTED by the national Democratic Party. Once the news came out that Stevens could resign and have a Republican appointed -- any Republican would be better than a Democrat -- then it makes sense for Alaska to hedge its bets.
Same for Young. If he's innocent, fine. If he's guilty, well, his replacement will be a Republican.
It is profoundly stupid to vote for an elected official that opposes your political views down the line, considerably dumber than voting for a weasel that at least votes right.
So, get rid of the right-voting weasel by appointing a right-voting good guy.

Posted by: daskinner | November 7, 2008 8:40 PM

Alaska feels as though they can do whatever tf they want to. I have news for you people....Obama is coming for your royalty checks. I back him up all the way.....you citizens don't deserve that money. I don't give a hoot if you have less brainpower or are genetically deficient....you don't deserve to get money from the Alaska coffers for no reason at all. I'm glad that this election has shed light on the corruption that exists in Alaska. Sarah palin does not deserve to be in office, and I dont think that Alaskans want to pay for her uninvited children or husband to travel on their dime anymore. Sarah, A few words of advice.......stay out of politics.

Posted by: tehevo | November 7, 2008 10:37 PM

The irrational Palin bashing has really gotten a little old. If you smell a rat, it's probably the incompetent Research 2000 "pollsters" and the partisan hacks at DailyKOS who got exactly what they commissioned -- a skewed poll that mirrored their opinions. I'm not a Stevens fan ... but the Palin bashing really needs to stop.

Posted by: LauraInNevada | November 8, 2008 1:45 AM

By the way ... where is the front page coverage of the fact that Palin was cleared of all charges (by a Democratically controlled kangaroo court) in the "troopergate" scandal???

Posted by: LauraInNevada | November 8, 2008 1:46 AM

We'll all be worshipping cows within a year... I will just stay up here on the peninsula. Good luck.

Posted by: m_bison | November 8, 2008 4:12 AM

The first thing President Obama needs to do is rein in Alaska as this state is soooo corrupted. I think the Governor, Senators,Mayors, Representatives, etc. all need to be put on a probation of some sort and that Washington should appoint a committee to over see the governments goings on there! They are close to Russia and the Governor didn't even know that Russian representatives were in Alaska to meet with Big Oil Companies while she was campaigning for vice president! This all leads back to Bush and Cheny. I think that Cheny and Bush should step down immediately and should also be charged with war crimes. How would anyone feel if they knew that Bush and Cheny arbitrarily started a war which killed their loved ones only for the purpose of more money for themselves and their crony friends? This would and does make me darn mad. Our country is suppose to be a leader and superpower which in turn should be setting examples for the rest of the world on how to do things right!!!!! No more, no less!

Posted by: LKM2 | November 8, 2008 7:22 AM

Response to stpa0001.... You are 20000% right!!!! We know what a sleaze Coleman is and you are right about the alleged accidental death of Senator Wellstone and his family members and aides. I am from Minnesota and worked for the Wellstone Campaign. I smell a gigantic rat and it is one who's name begins with C. Franken definately won and it will all come out in the end! The RAT needs to be flushed back down the sewer!!!!!

Posted by: LKM2 | November 8, 2008 8:03 AM

A couple of points.

While the difference between pre election polling & results usally bothers me, it doesn't so much in Alaska. I'm assuming these are the type of people who would enjoy screwing around with lower 48 types especially after the last two months. The turnout does bother me. I can't believe you wouldn't have a big turnout this year.

Secondly and more importantly, while I know how everyone feels, I think we may blaming each other for what is really a badly designed machine. Think about it - Democrats think they are winning by a close margin. These machines could be losing votes on both sides - without any hacking at all- and sometimes they break Democratic, sometimes they don't.

When they don't, nobody questions the results BECAUSE THEY MATCH THE POLLING. When they do, especially after FL, we Democrats see Republicans in the woodpile.

Now, in four years, the tables may have been turned and it will be the Republicans expecting to win. Same scenario, except now you lose the election. Do you really want to be risking that with these machines?

Posted by: brcollins42 | November 8, 2008 2:49 PM

Oh, and caebling,

If you really think grown ups with exciting lives, real jobs and real friends care who was popular in high school, I feel sorry for you.

I'm not that attractive, I'm not unattractive, I'm regular. Some of my friends are beautiful, some of them aren't. I think they're all great. But none of them were prom queen, because it was a moment. And none of us remember who the prom queen was because it was thirty years ago.

I remember who the prom king was only because he was also the star in a couple of musicals and he was a great guy. (I was part of the ensemble) But if I thought being king of the prom was the best thing he ever did, I would be so sad.

If the high point of your life was high school, move on. Get over it.

We're not jealous of her looks. We wanted her to be smarter. We wanted her to be a Republican Hillary, someone who even if you backed the other guy (as I did) you weren't a least ashamed of being a woman. I don't know if what the McCain staffers are saying now is correct and she couldn't tell Africa was a continent or not. I don't care. I care that she thought the VP ran the Senate and that press criticism was wrong because it violated her 1st amendment rights.

The VP needs to know a little more about the Constitution than that.

(Oh, and a few editing errors in my previous post. 'Usually' and 'may be blaming' Sorry for not proofing first.)

Posted by: brcollins42 | November 8, 2008 3:11 PM

After reading this article, as well as the articles referenced in some comments, I have become aware of a very nasty stench indeed. Alaskans, forgive many of us (in the 48 lower states) for thinking you uninterested in voting as well as deliberately voting for a ticket just because your governor was on it. I have no idea how to solve the huge lack of representation of your population due to those vast discrepancies and/or frauds in your elections, but I sincerely hope your efforts to solve the problem will be successful.

Posted by: muriel2 | November 8, 2008 6:41 PM

Face it in May 08, McCain was down to his
last million, he was getting flack from the
right wing conservatives of his party. He had to accommodate for their financial support, that he eventually got. Palin with her ultra right wing views and big mouth did a lot to bring in donations when nominated. Didn't last long, and that was
the campaign manager's problem, of misjudging her appeal. If she had curtailed her monologues to boost McCain rather than her own image, things might have been different.

They concentrated on the big letters (MORE DOUGH FOR JOHN) and forgot to summarize the small. (She's a bit dumb ain't she to be convincing?) Sure she thought dinosaurs walked alongside humans (gulp! We'd never have survived. 4,000 years ago? (gulp) Husband called First Dude once a member of the AIP and then she attends a rally in 2007 of same. Blessed by a Kenyan Pastor W to protect her against witches and demons? And was videoed doing this????(Salem all over again?) Troopergate scandals, and hubby taking it upon himself to act in her sister's favour once she got to become Gov. (Forget she tried the same thing to get Wooten dismissed whilst Mayor of Wasilli) She was completely uneducated and insular to compete with main stream politicians (and the media) whom one expects to have more
know how and knowledge of politics than the average voter, that's why we put our
trust in them to act on the behalf of all
their citizens, not just a select ultra
conservative group who are living in the past. The culture war she fought McCain's
ticket on, declaring herself a red neck and proud of it, just did not cut the mustard with the majority of intelligent
Americans. (If he died, she'll become President - Gee what then? When she says she can see Russia from her house... Siberia dear please) I can't get over the 4,000 years ago of walking with dinosaurs. Didn't she know that dinosaurs were dead
and gone (possibly due to climate change LOL) around 70 million years ago? No
Sarah, you stay in Alaska unless old Ted
Steven's kicks the bucket or resigns, if he gets in yet, that it is possible he won't. Then Sarah can opt for more National exposure, eh? Filling in his
vacancy. The choice was flawed, but ... was a good idea at the time, what?

Posted by: bush-bunny | November 9, 2008 2:09 AM

The Alaska Senate seat is absolutely not decided yet and there is still a reasonable chance that it could go to the democrat, Begich. Here's why, as per Nate Silver at 538.com (Silver was right on the money with his statistical predictions for the general election.) Stevens is about 3,000 votes ahead but there are still 50,000-60,000 early and absentee votes left to count. Some of the early votes have already been counted and they are going heavily for the dem as did early voting go dem in other states. This race is far from over. The Minnesota race is also anybody's guess until the recount. And Georgia has a run off coming up where democrats can send tens of thousands of experienced ground game workers with plenty of DSCC money and Obama to make the ads. Chambliss only had a 3 point lead and did not make the state law requirement of 50% plus 1%. 60 seats are definitely still a possibility for Democrats if we don't boot Lieberman out. We should wait until January to make that decision.

Posted by: karela | November 9, 2008 1:40 PM

We need to send every one of these voting machines back to Diebold. This is too important and we should never base another election on them. We might consider Oregon's mail in ballot system. Over ten years they have perfected a way to efficiently handle and authenticate the ballots and have no voting fraud at all. Also, all American citizens get to vote and are not prevented by work or physical frailty. That's the way it's supposed to work. Everybody who's an American citizen gets to vote! No more Diebold. They've had a bad smell from the beginning. Who would get the bright idea to create monopoly prevention in the voting machines by giving the contracts---to two republican brothers??? This was a mighty waste of money, but we have to pitch them because we'll never be able to trust them. Any high school hacker could change the chip and sway the vote in one of them by just altering the count or dropping some of the votes "accidentally",

Posted by: karela | November 9, 2008 1:56 PM

Oh... even though I am an old, fat women... I am so not jealous of Governor Palin. Just like I'm not jealous of some silly person who was reported a couple of years ago from New York saying "Women are just jealous of me because they couldn't afford spiked designer clothes." Yes, I paraphrase. It's been awhile. I like to read reader's comments. Let's all vote for a better tone of comment!

Posted by: bonnietoo | November 12, 2008 6:42 PM

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