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Dig Through Interrogation Reports

POSTED: 03:08 PM ET, 08/24/2009 by Liz Heron

Updated 8/25, 7:30 a.m.

Annotate the Documents: On Monday, the Department of Justice released additional portions of a long-classified CIA inspector general's report on the agency's interrogation program, along with two other documents that former Vice President Dick Cheney claims will prove the CIA's harsh interrogation tactics worked.

In the coming days, Washington Post reporters will be combing through the documents for new revelations. Join us in identifying the most significant new details and anything that deserves further investigation, and tell us what you've found in the comments section below. Be sure to identify the page(s) to which you're referring, and include specific reasons why the data warrants a closer look. Here is a short guide to the acronyms used in the reports.

Detainee Reporting Pivotal for the War Against Al-Qaeda (PDF)

Khalid Shaykh Muhammad: Preeminent Source on Al-Qaeda (PDF)

Download CIA Inspector General Report (PDF)

Also on Monday, the CIA inspector general who supervised the 2004 report expressed disappointment that DOJ didn't release any version of his recommendations.

The report described early implementation of the CIA's interrogation program in 2002 and 2003 as ad hoc and poorly supervised, leading to the use of "unauthorized, improvised, inhumane and undocumented" techniques, The Post reports.

Other new details (updated 8/24): Unauthorized techniques revealed in page 41 and 42 of the report include the use of a gun and a drill in the the interrogation of al-Nashiri (as reported by Newsweek, etc.), as well as smoke, stress positions, stiff brushes and stepping on shackles.

Interrogators used the gun and drill on al-Nashiri between December 28, 2002 and January 1, 2003.

The debriefer used an unloaded semi-automatic handgun as a prop to frighten Al-Nashiri into disclosing information....Nashiri sat shackled and [he] racked the handgun once or twice close to Al-Nashiri's head. On what was probably the same day, the debriefer used the power drill to frighten Al-Nashiri. With [redacted] consent, the debriefer entered the detainee's cell and revved the drill while the detainee stood naked and hooded. The debriefer did not touch Al-Nashiri with the power drill.

Al-Nashiri was captured in October of 2002, and according to an OLC memo, he was waterboarded two times twelve days into his capture. Prior to the gun and drill incident, the interrogation "assessed him to be 'compliant.' Subsequently, CTC officers at Headquarters [redacted] sent a [redacted] senior operations officer [redacted] to debrief and assess Nashiri."

Also new in the report, on page 45: The IG determined that the interrogators waterboarded Khalid Sheikh Mohammed in a manner "inconsistent with the SERE application of the waterboard...According the [CIA] general counsel, the Attorney General acknowledged he is fully aware of the repetitive use of the waterboard and that the CIA is well within the scope of the DoJ opinion and the authority given to CIA by that opinion. The Attorney General was informed the waterboard had been used 119 times on a single individual."

CIA Director Leon E. Panetta, in a message to agency employees Monday morning, described the release of the documents as "in many ways an old story," noting that "the challenge is not the battles of yesterday, but those of today and tomorrow."

By Liz Heron |  August 24, 2009; 3:08 PM ET Hot Documents
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Funny. I dont remember any of this in Bob Woodward's "Bush at War" series.

Posted by: tallertapas311 | August 24, 2009 4:58 PM

CIA's Diapergate

See page 35 of the report. CIA interrogators made detainees wear diapers for up to 72 hours, preventing them from using latrines; thereby, forcing detainees to sit in their own feces and urine for up to 3 days!

Any doctor will tell you, this will cause urinary infections and festering anal sores (if not toxic shock); environmental and breathing ailments; and nausea, to be sure.

Whoever thought of this form of EIT, and whoever approved of its use up the chain of command should be prosecuted and convicted me thinks.

Posted by: lockmallup | August 24, 2009 5:43 PM

How about investigating that none of these people tortured committed crime against USA?

Torture investigation does not stop torture...prosecution does

Posted by: Roism007 | August 24, 2009 6:04 PM

Its ironic to see blacked out declassified documents in a makes one wonder what the documents look like in a Monarcy,Dictatorship, Junta rule....are we really better off then the other forms of government?

What a joke

Posted by: Roism007 | August 24, 2009 6:06 PM

Why were so many undated sheets being used...makes one wonder if this was a stratigic thinking or a lazy CIA agent..if Lazy...where were his supervisors?

Posted by: Roism007 | August 24, 2009 6:08 PM

"No Endgames to these dettentions" as part of Introduction....they were making up the ingreditents as they went god how is different from Hitler's Prison camp where the Jews were systematically dehumanized so no one will feel sorry for them when tortured.....this is sicking that USA did it

Posted by: Roism007 | August 24, 2009 6:12 PM

Thanks for posting the details and taking readers comments.....this is all I could read for now...but will do more reading later on tonight at home.....

I reallyt really hope for the sake of USA and Democracy that War Criminals - Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld are prosecuted so no other country in the world use Bush Administration as an example in the future....similar to what we did with Italy and Germany after WWII.

Posted by: Roism007 | August 24, 2009 6:15 PM

Page 50-51: making insinuating threats to detainee that the interrogator would sexually abuse the guys mother and other family members in front of him.

Posted by: uhale | August 24, 2009 6:22 PM

P. 51: Telling detainee, that if anything else happens in the US, "We're going to kill your children."

Posted by: uhale | August 24, 2009 6:24 PM

CHENEY AND TENET ARE WAR CRIMINALS, PLAIN AND SIMPLE. THEEY BELIEV THEMSELVES TO BE EXCEPTIONAL WHERE INTERNATIONAL LAWS COULD BE APPLIED. THEREFORE IT STANDS TO REASON THAT NO OTHER INDIVIDUAL WAS EVER GUILTY OF A WAR CRIME IF THESE TWO FASCISTS ARE EXEMPT. i belive that those who actually participated in acts of torture should be offered partial immunity provided they START TALKING NOW! the exception might be THE DOCTORS. for violating their HYPOCRATIC OATH they should be treated the same as the NAZI physicians were post WW2. for a DOCTOR to participate in torture is simply unforgivable period.

Posted by: wa_idaho_lonewolf | August 24, 2009 6:40 PM

Afghan who turned himself into US authorities beaten to death, page 87-88.

Posted by: uhale | August 24, 2009 6:40 PM

Clarification: US contractor beat the Afghan to death while he was in US custody.

Posted by: uhale | August 24, 2009 6:44 PM

Page 51, #95 concerning threats to kill the children of detainees.

" An Experienced Agency interrogator reported that the (redacted) interrogators threatened Shaykh Muhammad (redacted) According to this interrogator the (redacted) interrogators said to Khalid Shaykh Muhammad that if anything else happened in the United States, "we're going to kill your children." According to the interrogator one of the (redacted) interrogators said, (redacted paragraph)"

A redacted word proceeded the word "interrogators" three times. when compared to the size of letter above and below allowing for spaces the word "Blackwater" fits perfectly. We now know that Blackwater was part of a CIA targeted killing program so one has to wonder if it was really just an idle threat.

Posted by: markswisshelm | August 24, 2009 7:55 PM

Where did we get these detainees and why? Nobody is explaining the root of the problem. This is just endless argueing with Chenney until he is charged with fellony crime, but that won't happen!

Posted by: BOBSTERII | August 25, 2009 9:10 AM

I will assume that because there is so much that has been blacked out from the documents that there are even MORE crimes being withheld from us.

Posted by: vigor | August 25, 2009 4:20 PM

There has to be an outcomes investigation as well as a criminal investigation.

What outcomes were produced as a result of any information obtained??

What I really wonder is how many false leads did we chase, how many resources were diverted and how much danger did that put the theatre forces in , as well as the Nation. If the currrent state of affairs in Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan is any measure, the damage was immense.

Posted by: plaza04433 | August 25, 2009 4:54 PM

p.30 of the report, near the bottom, #63: "The DCI Interrogation Guidelines do not specifically prohibit improvised actions. A CTC/Legal officer has said, however, that no one may employ any technique outside specifically identified standard tecniques without Headquarters approval." I'm interested in the issue of "improvised" techniques, because this report shows how imaginative and innovative interrogators could be in the heat of the moment -- and the quotation above is sufficiently ambiguous to suggest to me that "Headquarters approval" may not have been sought out in every instance. How many ways are there to torture a person? Virtually limitless, I suppose, if "improvisation" is legitimized. But I have much more combing to do and much more to learn.

Posted by: twillcutts | August 25, 2009 5:00 PM

We are a country rule by law. No one is above the law, not the president, not the vice-president. Bush and Cheney are the litmus test. America's future hangs in the balance if our country fails this test.

Posted by: Mickey2 | August 25, 2009 6:43 PM

Less not forget that the President is also under obligation to enforce the rules of the Consitution and uphold them.By Not investigating Laws that may have been broken He is in violation of the Constution and could and should be held accountable.

Posted by: Ray68 | August 26, 2009 6:47 AM

President Obama did his first (that we know of) rendition recently! Was it front page news in your town? Mine neither!

Buried within my hometown newspaper dated 8-22-09 (conveniently when Obama was on vacation and Eric Holder came out with more attacks on the Bush-era CIA) was an LA Times story entitled "Lebanese citizen is target of rendition."

The Lebanese citizen was "hooded, stripped naked for photographs and bundled onto an executive jet by FBI agents in Afghanistan in April, making him the first known target of a rendition during the Obama administration." Restraints were used "with the sole purpose of ensuring the safety of the defendants and the agents."

The man was then flown to Virginia. His crime? Inflating invoices!

So, in Obamaworld:

1. If you cheat on your taxes, you get to head up the Treasury Department, and the IRS. (Tim Geitner). Or, you are offered the position of Secretary of HHS (Tom Daschle) -- when that doesn't pan out, due to public outrage, you get to "advise" the White House almost daily through back-door means -- for your clients in the healthcare industry.

2. If you have a rap sheet or a shady past and want to avoid those pesky Senate confirmation hearings, you become a Czar.

3. If you are a two-bit player who cheats on a contract, and you haven't greased the right palms, see above.

4. If you worked in the Bush-era CIA and interrogated the masterminds of 9/11, obtaining information that saved countless innocent lives, you are second-guessed years later and denigrated for cheap political points.

Obamaworld is one crazy place.

Posted by: harry9 | August 26, 2009 10:52 AM

Faillure to prosecute those responsible for these autrocities is a crime in and of itself.

Posted by: WESHS49 | August 26, 2009 10:55 AM

There is a simple solution to the problem.

Prosecute Dick Cheney.

Posted by: walker1 | August 26, 2009 11:33 AM

page 127 notes that Zubaydah "does not have any preexisting mental conditions or problems" and page 129 it is noted that "despite his wound, Zubaydah remains quite flexible." that was in october of 2003.

between 2003 and 2007 Zubaydah seems to have drastically changed.

the 2007 transcript of his CSRT (Combatant Status Review Tribunal) hearing--transcript in pdf form can be obtained here: on page 2 it's noted that he has "some physical health conditions."

reading further, it seems Zubaydah had experienced significant metal and physical deterioration. pages 2 and 12 note his difficulty with speaking. page 22 he claims to be suffering from seizures, the returning effects of a 1992 head injury. pg 24, parts are redacted describing the treatment he received. page 25 is difficult to understand from the transcript; his leg wound seems to still be an issue, he claims to be suffering from memory loss ("holes or injury which I lost memory"), and he mentions having lost a testicle, having problems with his feet, and his right thigh being the the only part of him that is "still good, still strong." page 26 he ends by saying "almost half my body is not good."

comparing these two documents, it would seem that something went very wrong while he was in US custody.

Posted by: reelaesthete | August 26, 2009 4:47 PM

The redactions look as though they were done to protect criminals and criminal contractors -- not to protect the actual national security needs of the United States.

Prosecution is the way to handle this. Light and air will help disinfect this open wound on our national character.

Posted by: ankhorite | August 27, 2009 3:49 PM

"There is a simple solution to the problem.
Prosecute Dick Cheney.
Posted by: walker1 | August 26, 2009 11:33 AM"

here's the better solution, lets indict obama for the murder of innocent civilians by unmanned drones and after he has been carried off to jail, then and only then can we work backwards, president by president...

Posted by: DwightCollins | August 29, 2009 7:41 AM

We seem to be a nation that relies on delusion to survive.

The truth is that every serviceman and woman (and contractor) who has died or was injured in the war in Iraq has died or been harmed needlessly - for a lie. We had no genuine reason to invade Iraq. Having done so, we have handed an enormous victory to Iran. When our troops ultimately leave there will be a brief period of intense sectarian violence and then Iran will succeed in running Iraq as a client state.

In Afghanistan we did have legitimate grounds to invade after 9-11, but we missed the opportunity to effect any lasting change on the country because resources that should have been in Afghanistan (especially along the country's borders) were being squandered in Iraq. We also failed to deal (and continue to fail to) robustly with Pakistan's role as a safe haven and supporter for anti-American terrorists.

In both Afghanistan and Iraq, the sacrifice of our soldiers has been wasted and that waste has compounded immeasurably by those who planned, authorized and carried out the torture and degradation of suspects and prisoners. By betraying our nation's values and violating our laws and sense of decency, we handed our enemies a huge victory and left all of us (especially our soldiers) less safe.

We now have an opportunity to try to restore some of our country's moral authority by setting up something akin to the post WWII Nuremberg trials to try and pass sentence on those responsible for the violation of our laws, international law and basic tenets of decency - no matter how senior they may have been in the chain of command or the government.

Posted by: davidjryan | August 29, 2009 9:47 AM

People, Eric Holder is up to his armpits in the whole torture/enhanced interrogation scene.

It was Holder, as Clinton's Attorney General who approved extraordinary renditions that occurred during the Clinton presidency, when rendition meant terrorist suspects were rounded up and shipped overseas, not to US prisons, but to foreign prisons where it was KNOWN by the Administration that they were tortured and at times brutally murdered. (Unlike during the Bush administration when extraordinary renditions meant that terrorist suspects were sent to US prisons abroad, where they were interrogated by CIA officials who operated under strict legal guidelines.)

It was Holder who ordered the following renditions, just two of thousands and thousands authorized by then-Attorney General Holder:

Talaat Fuad Qassim, a leader of al-Gamaa Islamiya, the Egyptian jihadist group led by al Qaeda's second in command, Ayman al-Zawahri, in the 1990s, was subjected to extraordinary rendition. In late 1995, he was kidnapped in Croatia, interrogated by US agents on a ship on the Adriatic Sea, then handed over to Egypt. Human rights experts believe he was tortured, then executed - no record of any trial exists.

In July 1998, several members of the Egyptian Jihad organization - which at the time, was merging with Osama bin Laden's al Qaeda network - were nabbed in Albania by Albanian security agents. They were then flown on a CIA-chartered plane to Cairo, where they were beaten and tortured. Two of the detainees were subsequently hanged in an Egyptian prison yard.

Some of the detainees reported that Egyptian interrogators had applied electrical shocks to their nipples, genitals and feet while suspending them in mid air by their limbs.

It was Holder who, on CNN in June, 2002, said: "We're dealing with a different world now. Everybody should remember those pictures that we saw on September the 11th. The World Trade Centers aflame, the pictures of the Pentagon, and any time some petty bureaucrat decides that his or her little piece of turf is being invaded, get rid of that person. Those are the kinds of things we have to do."

People, Holder was part of the legal team that in 2005 developed strategies for securing re-authorization of the Patriot Act!!!!!

And it was Holder who, shortly after the USA Patriot Act was signed into law who argued that dissenters should not be tolerated!!!!!

Are liberals just stupid, or do they really never read anything other than the post!!

Posted by: 2xy4k9 | August 29, 2009 11:20 AM

Laughable, isn't it?

And beyond the rhetoric, we should all be very frightened this lesser version of "Burn Notice" is fighting the US war on terror.

It's all pretend in their minds.

Those people are stupid, approaching every problem as if they're defending against a slam on their Facebook pages.

And Panetta doesn't see a problem here?

None too bright, Leon.

The Needle Has Landed

By Neko Case -- for educational purposes only...

Here I am in traffic's slow flow
Where the needle touched down
Carbon planes draw a cage round the air force base
Where the needle touched down
My foot on the brake it's ok to fly low
Over poor Spanaway

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