Wiz make it, Butler out

The Wiz made it to Minneapolis near midnight last night after being diverted to Duluth, Mn., because they couldn't land in Mpls. yesterday afternoon. The team spent two and a half to three hours sitting on the runway before heading to lovely Duluth, which is about a three and a half hour drive from Mpls in normal weather conditions. The team checked into a hotel near Duluth for two hours and then boarded a bus for the long drive south. A trip that should have taken 57 minutes wound up taking 12 hours.

News: Caron Butler is out with back spasms. The injury isn't considered to be serious and I'm guessing that several hours spent on a plane and a bus didn't help yesterday. I'l check back in a bit.

By Ivan Carter |  February 25, 2007; 3:31 PM ET
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Who else is stuck having to listen to the game on radio? Damn you ABC.

Posted by: Will | February 25, 2007 4:40 PM

damn the 'contractual obligations' for not letting me listen to the game online at sportstalk980.com.... [madly shaking fist in the air]

Posted by: hmmmmm | February 25, 2007 5:17 PM

No Caron??? Crucial. Likely the cause of today's loss.

Posted by: Rage | February 25, 2007 6:06 PM

Pitiful. Les Boules, the 2nd "best" team in the East loses to a team currently not in the playoffs if the season were to end today. Arenas' stat line:

4-22 shooting, 1-11 from 3pt line

They probably would have had a better chance had Caron been able to play, but that means nothing, since we caught a lot of breaks this season with other team's top players being out.

I'm sure Arenas' participation in the 3 point contest really helped his stroke.

Posted by: DC Man88 | February 25, 2007 6:12 PM

Looks like the bench really participated albeit a loss. Roger Mason Jr came on and showed what he can do. Deshawn had a good game, a few more mins and we could have pulled this off.

Posted by: MDFAN | February 25, 2007 6:18 PM

arenas and jarvis played a combined 75 minutes, shot a combined 5-32, including a combined 1-15 from three-point land.

Posted by: ct fan | February 25, 2007 6:19 PM

The fact that we lost by 4 in a road game with 2/3 of the league's top scoring trio missing is not a big surprise. If we had won, it probably would have been a great statement, but honestly, nobody expects our bench to be that solid.

Anybody watching the Terps? This is some serious crazy home-court goodness. Hansbrough looks freaking dazed out there. I don't really expect us to pull it out, but hoo boy....

Posted by: Gack | February 25, 2007 6:38 PM

J.Hayes stats today:

Min 4:47,FGM 1-10, 3PM 0-4, Pts 7

...doesn't seems to bother EJ apparently.

Posted by: Yeah baby | February 25, 2007 6:42 PM

To all those that could not see the game, I ,living in Minneapolis, got nice lower level seats at the Target Center.

Game summary: Wizards looked pretty tired especially Arenas, he played pretty horribly and had he shot 35% the Wizards would have won. Team played pretty well defensively. Mason played decent minutes and had a nice game. He and Stevenson were the only players that could hit an open shot. Hayes played pretty poorly as well, which is not really news anymore. Blatche played pretty well and had a couple of shots that were in and out. I remember a three in particular that should have gone down. Came down to Haywood getting outrebounded by Garnett for a second missed free throw by Blount down by 2 with about 14 seconds left. I don't know how H'wood blew that one. Considering no Jamison or Butler and Arenas' shooting woes it was a miracle the game was as close as it was.

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Man we really get up for Duke and UNC like nobody else. Just awesome. Simply awesome.

Posted by: Gack | February 25, 2007 7:57 PM

How Eddie can justify playing Jarvis more than Stevenson today absolutely boggles the mind given how thoroughly Deshawn outplayed him. Deshawn needs to be playing 35 minutes a game while Jarvis gets squeezed out of the rotation.

Posted by: tp | February 26, 2007 12:58 AM

Very good point, tp. I'm not a Jarvis basher, and I of course did not see the game, but I too noticed that Jarvis played more than DeShawn. Doesn't make much sense.

Posted by: Joe | February 26, 2007 6:55 AM

I don't see a problem with EJ playing Jarvis. EJ knows what DeShawn can do, but Jarvis needs the minutes to get his game back up to par. This team is much deeper in SG rather than SF. EJ needs to to get these guys (Javis & Songaila), who've been out injured, ready for the playoffs to build up his bench. Better to eat a regular season game loss than try this during a playoff game.

I was watching comcast last night and they were doing some special where a camera followed Arenas during All star weekend. I know the new jerseys (black and gold) are gawdawful ugly, but they look ESPECIALLY ugly when players have their normal blue warmups on. Arenas was getting his picture taken where he had the warm up pants with the gold jersey. Very ugly.

Posted by: DC Man88 | February 26, 2007 7:24 AM

Who the heck cares about the uniforms? Did anyone see the BRIGHT Orange unis the Cavs were wearing yesterday? Or the strange unis the Nuggets had on the other night? The Wiz are not alone on the ugly uniform stage. Unis cover the body....point blank.

Posted by: Lisa | February 26, 2007 7:35 AM

I am not a Jarvis basher but I am just curious as to how long it is going to take to get his shot going? I keep hearing people say once he gets his shot going but it is now the second half of the season and I don't see any improvement. What is the deal with this guy? I did not follow him in college and really don't see much contribution. What I have seen is him miss more shots then he has taken. I agree with the other poster, Deshawn should get more minutes then Jarvis and Jarvis certainly should not be in when the game is close. Just my observation.

Posted by: Curious Wiz fan | February 26, 2007 7:43 AM

Jarvis in his brief stint here has primarily been a long ball guy and a guy who finishes on breaks. He's got good hops, but he doesn't really have any moves towards the hole or good handles.

Once in awhile, you might see him dribble and stop for a pulloff jumper. He had a knee/leg injury, and your legs are critical in getting your J off, especially for Jarvis who elevates really high when he shoots.

I really didn't care about the Wizard's uniforms until I saw how glaringly ugly they are in contrast to the blue warm ups. These new uni's have got to be the ugliest in the NBA. The colors black and gold have nothing to do with anything involving DC, or Les Boules's tradition.

Whether or not Cleveland (or Denver) has good or bad looking uniforms, nobody here really cares that much because they're not the local team. Given that, at least the color orange is part of their retro color scheme, and part of Denver's original color scheme.

Uniforms in general are bright and colorful, not dark and ugly like black and gold...nobody can figure that out. Even the old Bullets uniforms look better than the black and gold crap. Point blank.

Posted by: DC Man88 | February 26, 2007 8:10 AM

DCMan88, do you think Jarvis will get any better? I have been to several games this season and watched pretty much all televised games and I tell you, when he gets the ball, I pretty much pray that he passes instead of taking the shot. True, he does knock down a couple but...........I hardly ever see him just drive to the basket and try and get shots closer in. Can he do that or is he basically know for his outside shots? Once again, just curious. I am just trying to see what it is the "Top Wizard Brass" see other than him being an overall nice guy.

Posted by: Curious Wizard | February 26, 2007 8:23 AM

Curious Wizard, my gut tells me that it will be hard for a young player trying to develop his game to get much growth on a team such as Les Boules where you are the low man on the totem pole. Gilby brings the ball up, so he's his own primary option, and he's not a pass first, second, or third option kind of "PG." With that, Antawn and Caron demand the ball also.

Jarvis was coming of age until he first got hurt and they brought in Caron. Jarvis really beat out Jared Jeffries also, which is why Les Boules let him leave. Caron is an all star now, so it's not like Jarvis will be challenging for his job.

I think Jarvis would thrive in an environment where he would be able to utilize his skills the most, while developing other skills. That would be an environment where the point guard would seek to get him the ball by setting him up. And, when I say get him the ball, I don't mean as a bailout guy waiting in the wing, or with Jarvis' back to the basket. Les Boules primarily run an individual one on one type of offense where the star gets the ball. We're not running the Princeton Offense.

To me, Jarvis would clearly thrive in a Phoenix Suns type of environment or offense where he would be cutting to the basket and attacking. Sure, people here would say "anybody would thrive there," but that type of point guard and that type of offense is what Jarvis is most suited for. He'd thrive in Chicago also, with a guard like Hinrich. Jarvis is similiar to Luol Deng, but has less defensive skills.

Posted by: Dc Man88 | February 26, 2007 8:34 AM

Hey Ivan or Mike, Is there a chance Gilbert might opt to sit a few games himself? Ivan reported that Gil is still complaining about that shoulder, (although there were no complaints the last three games when he was scoring like crazy) and it seems as if it time for Eddie to start thinking about the playoffs and start resting now.

Posted by: C.Bell | February 26, 2007 9:01 AM

Sit out? Gilby should have sat out the all star weekend! As I've said many times, Gilby shouldn't have participated in the 3 point shooting contest if he was injured, nevermind the fact that this event throws your shooting rhythm off.

EJ can't sit Gilby out during these final regular season games, because obviously, these games count, and right now if you're in the playoff picture, seeding is critical. Wilbon said even though DWade is injured, Les Boules definitely don't want to play the Heat during the first round. Stay at #2, not #3.

Posted by: DC Man88 | February 26, 2007 9:16 AM

Thanks! Im a sista who loves bball and was just trying to figure out what I was missing where Jarvis was concerned. I try to be fair to all of my Wizards and did not want to appear to be dumping on Jarvis. I actually had really been pulling for him but............Anyway, thanks for the commentary on Jarvis. I will try not to be too hard on a brotha.

Posted by: Curious Wizards | February 26, 2007 9:38 AM

Jarvis has been awful all season and needs to see the bench more.

Posted by: Mac G | February 26, 2007 9:44 AM

Curious Wizards, almost everyone on here has been anti-Jarvis. Personally, I'm not sure.....I think we should give him a little time but I also really want us to win.

Posted by: Lisa | February 26, 2007 9:52 AM

I tried posting on here last week, and kept getting a server error of some sort. Anyway, I was going to reply to Mitch about Jarvis Hayes.
"Jarvis looks to me like he's off-balance when he's taking his jumper. He catches, takes a big bounce and shoots." Good point Mitch, watch Hayes' motion. He jumps, takes the ball behind his head and uses a large arc to generate the power for the shot. That means his legs need to go forward to balance his arms and thus makes his whole motion unbalanced and awkward. Essentially always a fadeaway. Compare to Gil's very economical motion, generating power from below his chest and often off a dribble from below his waist. He does not take the ball back behind his head. So before the defender even knows it, Gil's shot is up and gone Vs. Hayes whose motion takes a split second longer and easier for the defender to jump up with him and get hands in his face.
Jarvis needs to cut to the basket more, with or without the ball. Stop hanging around the perimeter waiting for the ball to be passed to him.

Posted by: rickgonz | February 26, 2007 10:16 AM

Of course Jarvis is going to play more then Stevenson when 2 small forawrds are out of the line-up Butler and Jamison.

Posted by: dc | February 26, 2007 10:17 AM

If Caron's back doesn't heal up (he sat out yesterday's game due to back spasms that some people think was caused by their plane sitting on the runway and their long bus ride b/c of the midwest snow storm), expect to see more of Jarvis.

Posted by: DC Man88 | February 26, 2007 10:24 AM

Henry - awesome compilation of the stats on the previous article. We know that we can go look it up at 82 games, but hey it is easier when you do it, and you look for the right things as well. Popcornmachine.net has some good stuff on it as well.

At the end of the day, Ruffin should play about 5 minutes a game. As EJ pointed out he does do good things defensively - I noticed at the end of the Chicago game, he was playing very good defense on those pick and rolls that were killing us. Unfortunately, on the offensive end, he makes the game four on five, which feeds into the Wiz' natural predilection to go one on one, since there is an extra defender around to disrupt ball flow.

I thought in the Chicago game, we really missed Antawn - our O went very cold a couple of times, and Antawn likely would have been able to carry us through that. That being said, in his absence, we have basically treaded water since, with the exception of Detroit (who look locked in on the first seed at this point), none of the other teams in the upper echelon have been playing consistent ball, particularly Cleveland.

So where are we? Well, Miami is done - even if they slide into the playoffs, they won't be a threat w/o Wade. I don't think NJ will make the playoffs either, unless Toronto fades hard. NJ and Miami are probably the two teams that we struggle most against, so the table there is set nicely for the Wizards.

Toronto looks strong right now, but a first time team in the playoffs rarely gets out of the first round.

Since we are likely the second/third seed barring a collapse, worst case is Indiana or Chicago in the first round. With home court advantage, either of those should be winnable.

We need him back, but I'd rather Antawn take an extra week to get really right before he returns.


cj

Posted by: charles jones | February 26, 2007 10:27 AM

With the inclement weather keeping me indoors, and Sunday afternoon football a thing of the past, what more could I have asked for that an afternoon of Wizards coverage (and a Guinness)? Imagine my disgust upon reallizing that this great pleasure would be denied to me yesterday. I imagine many of you feel the same. Let us give voice to our greivances so that we may be heard. ESPN handles programing for ABC Sports, which owned the rights to yesterdays broadcast. Call and complain at 860 766 2236 (press 0), or drop them an e-mail at askespntv@espn.com
yours truly,
deadbird

Posted by: deadbird | February 26, 2007 10:38 AM

Remember when we beat the Suns in Phoenix? Many of the wire stories mentioned the fact that the Suns were holed-up due to bad weather & that they had little warm-up time before the game - in-effect all but calling the Wiz win tainted.

Were it not for this blog, I would not have known about our similar story of being delayed by bad weather. Hmmm, that didn't make the storyline.

Posted by: Wizzy | February 26, 2007 10:55 AM

What is team ball?

The Wizards have a good team but reading this blog I'm obviously missing something here - isn't your Franchise player supposed to be able to carry your team irregardless of players absence?

What about Jarvis Hayes?

Considering the trade deadline has come & gone and they didn't choose to trade or waive him - speaks volumes.
Your comments are all a mute point.
Jarvis is meeting the teams epectations. Its the coaching staff's choice to play him.

Why not write: Our Franchise player needs to step it up! 5 for 24? 5 for 20? Is he interested in assists, rebounds, steals?

Its always Jarvis or Jamison? Only until EJ said how important Jamison was to the Team because he was the team leader, etc. did the noise & complaining on this blog quiet down but it continues against Jarvis.

Arenas - Good player but quit making excuses. Instead make demands.

You make excuses for your Franchise Player Areans who, when he has a bad game suddenly has a sore shoulder or whatever. He played fabulously to get to the All Star wkend and played the All Star game just fine made every PR appearance-fine. Now, his main focus and motivation should be playing team ball. EJ keeps driving home points about "Team."

Notice: Heat all stepped up in Wade's absence? Its what you have to do.

Its obvious Nash is not back at full speed but Amare put up 43 & 30. Odom, Walton, Brown, Radmonovich were all out - Kobe stepped up. Its what the Franchise player does win lose or draw - the Franchise player is to bring it every game.

Case is closed concerning Jarvis, Jamison or anybody else for poor team play. Put demands on your Franchise player to pull your team together.

Posted by: Peter | February 26, 2007 11:26 AM

Are you surprised by Gilbert's sub par play at this crucial time, when the wizards are without Jamison? If he really wants to be a superstar these are times he needs to step up and carry his team. It's hard to imagine Gilbert being an MVP candidate now.

Posted by: AKK109 | February 26, 2007 11:31 AM

I tend to agree with the posts about Gil. Trust me it is hard for me to write anything negative about Gil because he is my FAVORITE NBA player! However, with that being said, I believe that Gil should invlolve his team mates more and quit forcing shots when they are not falling for him. This will make his assists percentage go up and benefit the other players by knowing that their star player has confidence in them, thus giving them more confidence. I think Gil tries to do it all himself when he does not have to. But, he is still young and I truly believe he will come around and do just what most fans are asking of him and will one day become MVP. That is my predicition for Gil. He still has some growing to do. I remember him from when he first got here and he has grown and matured every season since. With that being said, hopefully before the season is out, he will understand his role more and they all will pass a little more before shooting the ball each chance they get. Passing the ball around more will eventually free up a player who has a better chance of hitting the shot.(Princeton Offense) :-)

Posted by: Curious Wizard | February 26, 2007 11:46 AM

Peter, until yesterday the Heat had NOT stepped up. They lost 2-3 straight (can't remember exactly) when Wade went down. Same with the Suns....lost 3-4 when Nash was out. Lakers have not been playing inspired ball. In our loss to Chicago the other night, Arenas was the only player scoring. Your logic is skewed.

Posted by: Lisa | February 26, 2007 11:48 AM

Wizzy,

The Suns lost after 2 OT's to the 2nd "best" team in the East, Les Boules, when the Suns were stranded and showed up at the US Airways Center 1.5 hours before tipoff! Yesterday, Les Boules lost to a bottom feeder, lottery bound team and made Ricky Davis look like MJ.

Peter,

"He played fabulously to get to the All Star wkend and played the All Star game just fine..."

Arenas went 3-8 (2-7 from 3) at the all star game, and took the first shot. An uncontested 3 pointer right after grabbing the tip off! Arenas was pretty much a nonfactor during the actual game.

http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=270218032

I think Arenas is also feeling pressure from DeShawn. DeShawn first challenged him to that practice shooting contest, and now is gloating that he's Mr. 50. As I said before, I noticed something during a recent game.

Deshawn was hot and hit a clutch 3 I think during the Kings game. The very next possession, Arenas did a crazy move and jacked up a fallaway 3 pointer instead of passing to the hot guy, Deshawn. Nobody else on the team touched the ball during that possession.

I think Arenas has a problem with sharing the spotlight, and that's a big problem when you're the point guard on the team. Recall after last year's all star game, he said his scoring average was going to drop because "I've got to get these guys going." Well, the next 3 games after that all star game is when he started scoring about 40+ per game. Yeah Gilby...

Posted by: DC Man88 | February 26, 2007 12:37 PM

DC Man88 - First, thanks for keeping it clean. Don't forget that the only time that Jamison, Larry Hughes, or Caron have ever sniffed all-star status is with Gil as their PG. Coincidence? Don't think so. Next year, it could be DeShawn - he is, after all, Gil's best friend on the team. Please note - although I disagree with your analysis, I respect it.

Posted by: reispace | February 26, 2007 12:57 PM

reispace, it amazes me that you are thanking DC Man for "keeping it clean" after he has called almost eveyone on here a homosexual name and me a moron. Hard to forget that.....ever.

Posted by: Lisa | February 26, 2007 1:00 PM

Reispace. Thanks for your comments. There are too many haters on this blog who cry when the tables get turned on them. I don't mind a good debate, but when it's prefaced with a personal attack by calling me a j#rkoff or by questioning if I'm anti-Gilby b/c Gilby "hit on my girlfriend," then that's just takes it to a different level. It's stupid.

I think Gilby, Jamison, Larry, and Caron all benefited from each other. Just b/c Gilby is called a PG, he doesn't play like one. For me, the jury is still out on Larry. Larry is in an offense now that's stagnant, with Lebron being the primary guy, and he lost his younger brother recently who had a heart transplant, so I cut him some slack based on that.

Jarvis' lack of output points to another issue. Jared Jeffries, who left here without compensation, was drafted back in 2001 when both Tayshaun Prince AND Carlos Boozer were still on the table. That's painful. It's not like these two guys were diamonds in the rough. They played for major programs, Kentucky and Duke, respectively. That points again to poor scouting. Imagine if we had either of those two guys playing for us.

Posted by: DC Man88 | February 26, 2007 1:25 PM

Lisa - I completely agree with Ray that we should ignore posters when they're throwing flames. Discourage the bad behavior. If, however, he's posting analysis and opinions and not insulting anyone (so far today), then why not thank him for keeping it clean (so far today). Community feedback is really the only mechanism this blog has for 'enforcing' standards of behavior. Unfortunately, your post is probably going to elicit a very harsh response.

Posted by: reispace | February 26, 2007 1:30 PM

No one should be spared criticism if appropriate, but let's keep something in perspective: is there anyone here who thinks the Wizards would be anywhere at all without Gil Arenas?

Rickgonz, regarding Jarvis, one thing I noticed a couple of games ago is that he seemed more accurate shooting a turn-around jumper on the baseline than doing the catch and shoot facing the basket. He seemed to be setting himself better taking the turnaround shot, even though theoretically it's a tougher shot. I bet a good shooting coach could get him over 45%.

Re the game in Minneapolis, I'd toss it out due to CB's not playing and the travel nightmare the day before.

Posted by: Mitch | February 26, 2007 1:30 PM

reispace, Amen! To your point about Allstar nods.
DCman88, You have every right to your opinion, but you could save us all alot of reading time and yourself alot of typing time if you could boil it down to the point. You could log on every day and type,"I hate Gilbert Arenas!" and it would simplify things greatly. By the way still waiting for that list of players in the league that you would trade Gil for one on one. Gil has not missed one regular season game before or after Allstar weekend. In the past the league has threated to fine players that just skip the weekend to take time off. He was supposed to skip allstar weekend? And he's greedy and self centered for not skipping it?
Lisa, you're right. I don't think you ever got anything approaching an apology, doubt that you will. But I will have to say I'm sorry you or anyone else were insulted for having an opinion. At least you have more than the one thing to say day after day.

Posted by: GM | February 26, 2007 1:33 PM

GM, you must have missed one of my previous posts where I responded. I got on trade tracker (whatever it's called) on ESPN and came up with two trades that would work $$$ for Gilby.

Chris Paul and Tyson Chandler, NO/OK

or

Deron Williams and Mehmet Okur, Utah


BTW, I admitted long, long ago that Gilbert is a really good player. All this gleeful euphoria needs to stop after awhile, and people need to see him step up and carry this team. Where would the team be sans AJ or Caron? You know, b/c you saw it during the past few weeks when these two guys have been out.

I haven't seen him change his game though, to benefit others on this team. Reference EJ's quotes about lack of leadership from him and other crazy stuff. All I see is a very good player, who's self centered.

If Nash was injured, and he bowed out, why couldn't gilbert? Even still, Gilbert was voted into the game as a starter, which is an honor, with all his personal lobbying, but maybe he did feel obligated to play. I give him that, but, in no way was he obligated to participate in the 3 point contest, which ruins a guy's stroke.

Posted by: DC Man88 | February 26, 2007 1:46 PM

One thing about Gilbert that is frustrating is that when his shot is off he won't adjust by going to the basket more or distributing to other players more. Since I didn't see or hear the game, I am not sure that is why he went 4 of 21 but I assume he did. And lets be honest even w/out Caron a better shooting shooting night from Gil and they could have won it.

As for the other issue, I would rather see Mason or Taylor get the minutes that Arvis has. The man's shot may never come around, and the Wizards are in the home stretch with a chance to finish second in the East. It is time to stop trying to rehab Arvis' game and let someone else do it.

Posted by: George Templeton | February 26, 2007 2:15 PM

First of all as I said before no one will trade a star under his rookie contract. The only way either team would make that trade would be after next year when Paul and Williams will be looking for Max contracts.
If the Wiz would take either deal next year they would give up Arenas at around 12m to 13 m and end up takiing back 20m plus on the sign and trade so the deal gets a whole lot more complicated.
The point was and is, the list of players in the league that you could trade Gilbert for is a very short one. When I was a young man my grandmother used to tell me to be careful what you wish for because you might get it.
In sports when you trade your best player you seldem improve your team. I watched this team trade players like Earl Monroe and Chris Webber and get Zero in return. I think we should keep Zero this time and you can just go on hating it.

Posted by: GM | February 26, 2007 3:04 PM

I LOVE GILBERT ARENAS!!!!!!!!! GET OFF HIS JOCK! HE IS GOING TO BE OKAY. HE IS STILL YOUNG AND STILL DEVELOPING. EX: KOBE BRYANT AT GILS AGE, HE DID THE SAME THING. NOT SHARE THE BALL. KOBE HAS FINALLY GOTTEN THE MESSAGE THAT HE CAN'T WIN ALONE. AND HOW OLD IS KOBE NOW? 27...28..OR OLDER.

IN ESSENCE, GIL WILL GET IT. AND YES, HE AND DESHAWN ARE FRIENDS AND I HAVE SEEN HIM GIVE THE BALL TO OTHERS WHEN HIS SHOT WAS OFF. HE HAS NO PROBLEMS SHARING THE SPOTLIGHT. I HAVE HEARD HIM SPEAK ON THE BIG THREE COUNTLESS TIMES AND NOT JUST ON HIMSELF. I JUST THINK THAT SUNDAY, WITH CARON OUT, HE TRIED TO DO TOO MUCH AND HE IS STILL LEARINING TO TRUST DESHAWN'S GAME. THAT'S ALL.

Posted by: #1 GIL FAN | February 26, 2007 3:09 PM

C'mon, GM's got all these stipulations now, after the fact. My trade proposal wasn't based on a "no way any other team" would trade them, but based on the numbers working, and a deal that makes sense for Les Boules.

If you had read the post where I originally wrote these trade proposals, you would have seen that I said it's unlikely that those teams would agree. In any regard, it works based on the spirit of your challenge. Both Chris Paul and Deron Williams are better at running a team (much higher assist average), can score, and also have fewer TO's.

Also, by you labeling me as a hater, you in turn can also be labeled as a part of that G.A.G.A. for Gilby clique, if not just a member, but maybe the president. Lately though, it's moreso G.A.G.-G.A.G. (aka. choking) from the 3 point line like he GAG-GAG'd last year against the Cavaliers from the free throw line.

Posted by: DC Man88 | February 26, 2007 3:19 PM

Note to #1 Gil Fan (by the sheer name, another biased blogger):

You tell me to get off his jock, maybe you should stop riding his jock and come to your senses.

"KOBE BRYANT AT GILS AGE, HE DID THE SAME THING. NOT SHARE THE BALL. KOBE HAS FINALLY GOTTEN THE MESSAGE THAT HE CAN'T WIN ALONE. AND HOW OLD IS KOBE NOW? 27...28..OR OLDER."

Geez, if Kobe didn't share the ball with Shaq, I wonder how they won those championships. Maybe they were secretly playing with 2 basketballs at a time with the triangle offense, one for each star.

Gosh, last I checked, Kobe was a shooting guard, while Gilby is a point guard. You do know that a point guard is supposed to pass also, while a shooting guard is supposed to shoot, hence the word "shoot" in shooting guard.

Posted by: DC Man88 | February 26, 2007 3:24 PM

Ok, enough with the bickering back and forth, this is starting to make my head hurt.

DC Man88,
You are a newcomer to the blog. Welcome! I know I for one always welcome new opinions and insight into the game. However, something needs to be done with this back and forth between yourself and some of the older regulars (Ray, GM, Lisa...etc). In response to GM's question, it was a one for one. Seeing how the rookie contracts of CP-3 and Deron Williams will not fit with Gil that makes that deal null and void.

But let's for the sake of argument (because I think I see your point) say that the contracts matched up you will take either of those two for Gil? I have to respectfully disagree. Neither of those two have ever made the playoffs. Granted they were rookies but they didn't make it. Gil not only led a worse team (the 2005 squad) to the playoffs he won the series against a better team and hit the buzzer beater to essentially seal the series on the road. Last year again, against a better team, he drilled the 40ft. 3 pointer to put the game into OT. Now he did miss the FT's but all the greats have missed FT's down the stretch. I'm just relieved that he has the cajones to hit big time game winners in the clutch (as evidenced this year). Now I love Paul, Williams, Nash and Kidd (for my money the 4 best pure 1's in the L). But the only guy on that list I'm taking 1 for 1 for Gil is Nash, who has proven he can still take average talent and win a lot of games. Maybe Paul and Williams might, become obviously better guys, maybe they won't. But right now they're not. What you're doing is like saying I'll trade Bosh one for one for Garnett. Who has only won one more playoff series than Gil has at this point. I think the better option will be to say hey maybe we can pick up a point guard to accompany Gil. Someone who can calm the team down when its going bad or someone who can handle and find people when the shots can't fall (paging AD) I think a guy like Steve Blake would have been perfect, but we let him walk.

Posted by: The Owl Wizard | February 26, 2007 3:48 PM

Go back look at the original post and the posts to others. I said just for fun who would you trade one on one for Gil.
I think that you've made it clear many, many, many times how you feel about Gil. I was at the Kings game, you pick out ONE three that he missed to point out how selfish he was. What did he shoot that night? They guy comes out and averages 39 pts in three games(the wiz went 2 and 1) after the Allstar break. The team gets caught in weather and spends 12 hrs on a bus and plane. And you're ready to go off about Gil's poor shooting and that there is some kind of rift with Desawn. Based on what?
I've watched basketball for 41 years, nobody shoots consistantly every night NBA travel plays a big part in that.
You have an opinion, you have a right to it. Not many people agree with you, but you insist on filling up this blog with your "I Hate Gilbert Arenas".
We all get your point you've made it very clear, trying to reason with you or have a friendly debate where you might have to think about a reasonable position only leads to a new rant. As I said before PLEASE read your posts before you hit the send button.
Sometimes you really insult people, somtimes you type lines that make no sense no matter how manny times they are read. And by the way, if Gilbert would make me president of his fan club I'd consider that an honor, not a put down.

Posted by: GM | February 26, 2007 3:51 PM

Pardon me for blogging. First time blogger here and thought there was room for everyone. I stand corrected and you won't see me read or post here again folks. For me, "It ain't that serious"

I'm out!

Posted by: #1 Gil Fan | February 26, 2007 3:53 PM

For what it's worth, I saw a DeShawn interview and he said he and Gil are pals...that they "jelled" right from the beginning. In fact, he has been joking lately that no one on the team can talk to him unless they are shooting 50%.

Posted by: Lisa | February 26, 2007 4:06 PM

#1 Gil Fan and Curious Wizard - Arenas has been in the league a long time. Thats why he needs to step up. He wants that star status stuff. But there's responsibility tagged with that package.

If Gil had just "shut his mouth and let his game speak for him" he and the Wiz would have fared better all the way around. EJ told him that but he set the PR rogram in motion, requesting interviews, articles, etc. - now, everytime he steps on a court he & they will be critiqued heavily. As the other blogger said - if you do get injured - you simply say it - sit yourself down and heal. ala Nash who is still not up to par.

If you want to discuss young?

Notice Utah rookie Deron Williams.
They won't win it all but he's not notchin up a bunch of stats "he's distributing the ball and making buckets when needed. In last nights Suns game..Nash had like 7 pts the rest were all assists and rebounds.

Haven't watched Steve Blake in a while but the same for him.

To be honest..the Heat against an aggressive Lebron didn't do that bad.
I enjoyed the game.

DCMan88 Regarding the Lakers..they've had injuries all season..only using the rookie bench. Be honest, if they win anything its a present and to be over 30 wins as they are is pure Kobie & a miracle.

I love the game and becus I do I can be objective and appreciate all teams good or bad.

Posted by: Robin | February 26, 2007 4:11 PM

#1 Gil Fan, don't let one poster drive you away, this pattern has been set. There are many here that appreciate others thoughtful analysis of the Wizards' games.

DC Man88, as I said before, it is obvious I'm a big fan of Gil and I'm not ashamed to admit it, this is after all a Wizards fan Insider blog. Many of the veteran posters know how good Gil is as a player, but also how much more he can improve and I've posted on numerous accounts on some areas where he needs work. Gil fans are not blind to that fact, we know that. It's a work in progress, just like any dynamic career.

If all a person's comments are about Gil sucks at this...Gil sucks at that... Everyone can draw the conclusion that you're a Gil hater, even if it's hard for you to admit it. That's not name calling you, it's just stating the obvious fact.

Posted by: Going G.A.G.A. over Gilbert | February 26, 2007 4:25 PM

Can somebody please shake the Wiz management and caoching staff to wake them up! I have been closely monitoring the statistics of each Wizards player this season and I can simply tell you without being negative about anyone that there are two words to explain the reason for close game losses: "Jarvis Hays". I hope I would not see him in a Wizards uniform next year.

Posted by: KM | February 26, 2007 4:30 PM

Oh Wow!! thats impressive! A team leader who only speaks with a teammate if he shoots 50%? What happens when he isn't shooting 50% and he shoots his mouth on camera about the coach? Should they follow suit? Ok yeah, thats a great team leader. Now we know why Eddie Jordan depends on Jamison. Arenas, ought to be jellin with the entire darn team and coaching staff. In the beginning, E.Jordan gave him the key to the gym..then Arenas ought to be bringin everybody in to "jell" with him in extra practices in learning how to catch - shoot - distribute the ball get stops, etc. They don't need chillin and jellin they need "super glue" - so they can play together - Team ball. The last thing this team needs are "clicks" except when they're clickin on all cylinders on the court.

Not tryin to be gruff but..that tiny statement says a lot about the state of things and winning as a whole.

Posted by: Peter | February 26, 2007 4:34 PM

Peter, did you read my comment? I said that DESHAWN was the one who said (jokingly) that no one (including) Gilbert could speak to HIM (Deshawn) unless they were shooting 50%. Deshawn is (or was) at 50% along with Etan and Brendan. He said they were the only teammates who could speak directly to him - the others would have to speak to him through Eddie. He was totally joking which shows what a close locker room they have.

Another Arenas hater trying to pick something bad on Gilbert! Please!!!

Posted by: Lisa | February 26, 2007 4:42 PM

Ok I usually don't comment because you guys keep me entertained enough, but this is getting ridiculous!

Peter,
Deshawn Stevenson has been calling himself "Mr. Fifty" for like two months now. DESHAWN STEVENSON says no one can talk to him unless they shoot 50%. ITS A RUNNING JOKE BECAUSE NO ONE ON THE TEAM (OR MANY PEOPLE IN THE LEAGUE FOR THAT MATTER) SHOOT 50%!!!!! Joke...you know, haha...lol...rmaflot? Are you familiar with the funny? What does this have to do with Gil? For a little backstory, they were both prep ballers in Cali at the same time. Deshawn came directly into the L and Gil went to 'Zona. In other words, THEY'VE BEEN COOL SINCE HIGH SCHOOL! I'm sorry if thats a "clique" to you, but hey it happens.

Again what does any of this have to do with the fact that we're SECOND IN THE EAST!?!?!?

Posted by: The Owl Wizard | February 26, 2007 4:46 PM

Let's quit all the fighting and get back to bashing Jarvis!
Someone posted that he would look good in the Phoenix offense. HA,HA,HA,
I think he would look good driving a cab around the "Phonebooth". Not on the bench and not in the NBA. Dude simply can't play! Let's be real! EJ & EG please, please, please, please! For the good of the team move on. We got someone who could have a nice little game, i.e., Andray Blatche. Step away from Jarvis and let the kid play.

Posted by: DMAN | February 26, 2007 4:48 PM

Self promotion is an interesting thing. I grew up in an era of guys like, Johnny Unitas, Brooks Robinson, Wes Unseld that always let their game do the talking. I've always been a guy that beleives like Joe Gibbs that you don't say things that end up on other people's bulletin board.
So as an old guy I'm the first guy that sometimes thinks Gil should shut up and play. But Ali back in the 60's(yeah I saw him fight as Clay and I remember a guy named Alcinder too)realized that sometimes there's no one else to do it. I think Gil's background leads to a me against the world chip on his shoulder sometimes. It's gotten him to where he is, so I think you have to accept it as part of the package. I've come to think some of it is funny myself, the guy always says it with a smile on his face and a deadpan style that's seems to be half mocking himself.
Does it hurt the Wizards? You could point to individual games like the Portland game and maybe it does. But this is a stars league. Basketball is a stars game. We are now in the second part of the NBA season. After the Allstar break playoff bound teams get the calls, stars in this league get even more. The games will get more physical, hand checking is back. Friday night ABC showed Hinrick's steals on replay and he got a big handful of jersey both times. It's time to toughen up and drive for the playoffs.
Last year Cleveland won a game on Queen LeTravel's(I really liked that)double dribble past AJ for the game winner. I've read all kind of complaints about AJ's D but the fact of the matter is without the double dribble The King would have never got there.
If LeBron wasn't the Star that he was would he have gotten that call? This is a star's league I didn't make those rules but I'd have to dense to not pickup on that in 41 yrs.
Like I said, I'm not comfortable with self promotion. To get calls in the playoffs we need stars on this team. What are we supposed to do sit around and wait for Barkley to promote the Wiz?

Posted by: GM | February 26, 2007 5:17 PM

"Basketball is a stars game."

That's why they call it SHOWTIME. Who could stomach a league full of Tim Duncans? Give me Shaq, AI, Gilbert. GM, you say you're an old-timer - have you forgotten Dr J? Talk about SHOWTIME. Getting a ring for him was really just an afterthought - a nice to have accessory before retiring. First and foremost, an entertainer.

Posted by: reispace | February 26, 2007 6:05 PM

But reispace - Did you notice him next to Jordan at the judges table? Wow - he looked like one sad individual. Not sure if it was all the stuff about his son or daughter.

Ali was in a totally different sport. Hardly anybody thought about boxing period until he started shoutin!! "Look at me!! I'm so pretty!! Hollerin about the bear!!
announcing he was in Islam and refusing to join the army. No matter what he did ! He backed it up with a dance and a poem.

After that - have mercy! The world couldn't get enough of Ali!

the truth is - his boxing game got him noticed - first then they promoted him.

It is a stars game but always room for one more. I agree about the 06 Cleveland game. Ugh!! Actually, can't stand James whole demeanor and apparently neither can his coach and teammates.

But if we think about it..Just imagine if Arenas had just kept quiet..the Wiz rose in the ranks like they did - knockin off opponents - perfecting your game and teammates each game..thennnnn you talk trash.

Some of those loses came hard cuz he was screamin hibachi and talkin trash..totally forgettin there were a bunch of games left and he hadn't perfected his or his teammates game yet. defense & passing.

so...he'd of been further ahead of the game with action first - talk second.
But who knows - we'll see.

Posted by: Lucky | February 26, 2007 6:47 PM

Owl Wizard - being second in the east and a nickle will get you what?

I guess you gotta tell me what that means.

Posted by: Peter | February 26, 2007 6:50 PM

Reispace, The greatest dunk I ever saw was in an old VA Squires game. The Doctor was 20-22 yrs old had a Huge Afro. He drove the baseline and Artis Gilmore came down the lane went up to block him, the doctor ducked his head and contorted his body, somehow slid by Gilmore(who had an even bigger Afro) and was still high enough to reverse slam the ball from the far side of the rim. I very seldom have ever seen it on replays over the years. I know it was on an old special I saw about the ABA one time.
Back then we used to get a few ABA games on VHS and picture was never very good. Production quality was a joke, but watching some of those guys was like seeing forbidden fruit or something. Everyone talks about Dr. J's foul line dunk but few remember that right before that Artis brought the house down by dunking two basketballs one with each hand! And then they all went out and played the second half of the Allstar game.
The old ABA guys had to be a self promoters to get some love. A lot of guys like the Doctor, Moses Malone, and others got their rings and are now part of NBA lore. Some played their best years in the ABA and have never been given full credit for their careers. But man some of thoose guys could ball it!

Posted by: GM | February 26, 2007 6:50 PM

Funny - when your beloved team loses - you guys/gals can't stand the pain. Cheer Up, Cheer Up, little wizards..have no fear - they'll win again. You can stop biting everybody that doesn't agree with you.

Keep repeating - "The Wiz will win again"

Posted by: Anonymous | February 26, 2007 6:55 PM

It seems to me that DC Man 88, Peter, and "no name" poster are probably all the same person.

Posted by: Lisa | February 26, 2007 7:29 PM

yowza - where's a ray post with quotes when we need it - settles things down like a nice grand marnier on a cold evening after a hectic day.

only comment on all the Gil back and forth - he may play the position, but Gil is not a classic point guard - comparing him to those guys is like saying that Okhur stinks because he doesn't rebound very well and he plays center. I am not going to say that those comparisons are ignorant - rather, the opposite - it's kind of like twisting the context to suit your end goal, a la a politician.

There are about 5 real PG's left in the league (in the Stockton mold). Gil is certainly not one of them. He is very very effective, and teams he runs can win and win a lot. But they won't win with Gil handing out 12 assists a game. They'll win because Gil can light it up, end of story. Like him or not, comparing him to a type of player he isn't just isn't fair.

Personally, I think he's the best thing that has happened to Washington bball since. . .(B King was cool for a couple of years, 40% of the fab five was cool, the traveling circus with Bol and Bogues was fun. . . but none of them lasted more than 2 year). . .well, the coolest thing since I started watching the bullets in the early 80's. I'm not scared to criticize him (george t is right - when his shot is off, he needs to take it to the hole more often), but all in all we have one of the top 10 players in the league right here in DC, and we should be happy about it.

We are going to the playoffs. We should be happy about it.

We have a team with an identity. We should be happy about it.

We have a team that plays a style fun to watch. We should be happy about it.

We have a GM who has a long term vision. We should be happy about it.

We are going to win at least in the first round of the playoffs. We should be happy about it.

cj

Posted by: charles jones | February 26, 2007 7:31 PM

Ruh Roh:

EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. (AP) -- Washington Wizards All-Star forward Caron Butler remained sidelined Monday with lower back spasms, while Antawn Jamison returned to practice for the first time since injuring his knee last month.

Butler was unable to play in Sunday's 98-94 loss at Minnesota, the first game he has missed this season, and his status is uncertain for Tuesday's game against the New Jersey Nets.


"Caron is certainly a game-time decision," coach Eddie Jordan said.

Posted by: charles jones | February 26, 2007 7:35 PM

Lisa, Could they all be Barkley?

Posted by: GM | February 26, 2007 8:15 PM

These injuries are the biggest blessing you could ask for. The East is so weak that it's a lead pipe lock we make the playoffs, and because of the kind of team we are the seeding is really an afterthought. Given that, all the extended PT and game experience the bench can get while Caron and/or Twan are out is pure gold.

I'm a Zero / CB3 / Jamison / D-Steve / Big Dray Blatche fan for life at this point. Let the haters spew their venom. What difference does it make?

Posted by: Gack | February 26, 2007 8:16 PM

This is getting comical. I'm talking about concrete things such as numbers (shooting percentages, turnovers, assists, etc), while others are busy calling me names such as "hater" and coming up with make believe stuff such as "let's be a GM for a day and come up with hypothetical trades." When I come back with good options, then they change the rules on me.

Oh yeah, rookies are disqualified... They don't count. It's not like there's ever been an example where an NBA player threatens that he won't re-sign with a team because he doesn't like it there, so they are forced to trade him. No, that has never happened and never will....

Then some silly person tries to talk about Kobe Bryant to draw a parallel with Gilbert in how both did not pass early in their careers, conveniently forgetting the fact that of course Kobe shared the ball with Shaq to win 3 ring with the Lakers. How else did Shaq win 3 Finals MVP's if he never got the ball? After getting rebutted, these GAG GAG Groupies always resort back to the word "Hater." Snore....these are just two examples of the latest BS.

It's not about me being a hater. It's about Gilby taking responsibility for the team's loss b/c he's the face of the franchise, is in a bad shooting slump, but still having a good time enjoying himself outside of Wizards basketball, not playing defense, blaming the coach for making him play D, shooting 1-11 in one game nevermind other bad shooting games, etc., etc....It's tough to deal with, ain't it?!?

In the GAG GAG Groupies's eyes, Gilby can do no wrong. As the saying goes, ignorance is bliss, so don't worry, and just be happy. Enoy the beautiful trajectory of the ball as Gilby lofts it up. Doesn't matter if it goes in or not, because it just looks cute. So silly. I'm enjoying this. Hope everyone else is too.

Posted by: DC Man88 | February 26, 2007 9:09 PM

Amen, Charles Jones! My thoughts exactly. After an eternity of horrid basketball this city has an exciting team with exciting players and are probably playoff bound for the 3rd year straight. Can't understand why people are hating. Please take it outside....

Posted by: Lisa | February 26, 2007 9:13 PM

Classic example of a defeated person. No valid rebuttals, just juvenile statements. If it acts like a moron, it must be. Get excited, but just don't pee on yourself.

Posted by: DC Man88 | February 26, 2007 9:35 PM

See this is why I don't get involved in this but let me make my last points:

First,
To Peter:
Every prognosticator prior to the season beginning had the Wizards winning somewhere between 35-40 games. ESPN had the Wizards as the 7th seed, SI and CBS-Sportsline had them as the 8th seed and missing the playoffs all together respectively. Everyone thought that all the heavy hitters in the east got better and (through losing JJ) we got worse. So yes to be sitting at 31-23 and on pace for almost 50 wins is a delight, a blessing, and a thrill ride! Your comments only lead me to believe that you just became a Wiz fan because prior to this little 3 year run (Jamison and Arenas!) we never, ever, ever, ever, ever were relevant. Now (i'm a recent Temple grad) I can see my team on national TV, I go into games expecting to win, and WE have a real shot at the Finals. I'm not sure what your realistic non-video games goals were for the season but I have to say the Eastern Conference Finals pretty much surpasses it for me.

DCMann88:
Instead of replying to these other people in anger can you please engage in this discussion. I'm actually interested in hearing what you feel the team needs because I think its crazy how different people view the same team. According to 82games and almost any statistic you want to bring, including the good old fashion eyeball test, Agent Zero is the best player we have. He is our star. I don't understand how Deron Williams, D. Stevenson, C. Butler, A. Jamison, B. Haywood will win even 35 games. That is all I'm asking. The question was simple, who would you trade one for one for Gilbert. My list looks like this...
Dirk, Nash, Kobe, Duncan, D. Wade, Y. Ming. That's it end of story. I have an explanation for each person and I have explanations for why I left people off the list (notice no Lebron).

Now to everyone Gilbert is not perfect, he never said he was nobody here (for the most part) said he was. When his shot isn't falling I wish he would drive more. As far as passing more, he avg 6 assist, his teammates love him, and he's only 25. If God himself designed this city a bball savior i'm not sure he would be all that different from Gil. Trust me guys I live in a city that currently has no bball hope, we should enjoy our blessings. Peace y'all.

Posted by: The Owl Wizard | February 26, 2007 10:05 PM

Oh yeah one more thing, according to the new CBA an NBA player that is playing in the All-Star game must participate in any "skills" challenge that they are selected for minus the Dunk Contest. So the only way Agent Zero couldn't do the 3pt contest is if he didn't play because of injury. And you know he was playing in the All-Star game. I would have been disappointed otherwise.

Posted by: The Owl Wizard | February 26, 2007 10:12 PM

Once Jamison returns, Jarvis better get squeezed out of the rotation. He should play between 4-8 minutes max, depending on if his first shots are falling. I hope one or both of our European players are ready next season so we can say good-bye to Jarvis. For all the talk about Jarvis finding his stroke, I have not seen it in all his time with the Wiz on a consistent basis. Keeping my fingers crossed that Caron feels better. Maybe Jamison feels well enough to help us beat the Heat. Once we get healthy, the Wiz could do some good things the final month of the season and in the playoffs.

Posted by: Chad | February 27, 2007 1:02 AM

I agree with CJ that the Wiz are light years (my words not his) better than they were, and a lot more fun to watch and to follow. Although even when they were bad, I had a lot of respect for how hard they usually played.

The interesting point now is whether it's possible to build a champion around Gilbert as your focal point. EG obviously thinks you can, and I have to give that a lot of weight. On the other hand, I bet there are a lot of GMs out there who would think otherwise. I'm just guessing, but I suspect many around the league view him as a lesser version of Iverson (with a better, but flakier, attitude).

Gil works non-stop on his shot and offensive moves (I think he overdoes the drilling and thus hurts his own performance), but does he work on his overall team game as much? Look for example at the kinds of passes D-Steve and CB make to the big guys in the post: a soft, high pass which is easy to handle. Gil, on the other hand, whips the ball into a Haywood for example and the pass, while on target, is often too hot to handle. Sometimes I wonder whether Gil is trying to complete the pass or expose the center's bad hands.

On TV the other day, Haywood was asked about playing with Gil, and diplomatically talked about Gil's sense of humor and pranks. Notice that he didn't say a word about Gil's performance on the floor.

So while he's great fun to watch and absolutely instrumental to the team's improvement thus far, the question ultimately is: how far can he take you?

Posted by: Mitch | February 27, 2007 8:19 AM

The Owl Wizard,

I think if you read carefully, you will notice that I did engage in these discussions, but when others become frustrated when I rebut their statements, they just resort to calling me a hater and telling me to take it outside. This type of lingo in general means diddly squat and is ridiculous.

"Agent Zero is the best player we have. He is our star. I don't understand how Deron Williams, D. Stevenson, C. Butler, A. Jamison, B. Haywood will win even 35 games."

I'm not denying Gilby is this team's best player, but for sure, the other players on this team aren't far behind (Caron and AJ) in terms of importance, and the most recent games have shown that Gilby CAN'T WIN WITHOUT THEM!

Not only is he not making up for their loss, he's got deficiencies of his own. When your shot is off, you need to do something else besides jack more 3's up. If you're getting double teamed, you don't try to split the double team, as a point guard, you try to look for the open man. You don't dribble down the court and jack up a 3 without passing the ball to anyone.

"The question was simple, who would you trade one for one for Gilbert. My list looks like this...
Dirk, Nash, Kobe, Duncan, D. Wade, Y. Ming. That's it end of story. I have an explanation for each person and I have explanations for why I left people off the list (notice no Lebron)."

I think it's a moot issue right now for any of us to discuss trades, because we're neither Grunfeld, nor do we have his ear. We can talk until our faces are blue about fantasy trades, but they will never come to fruition, and we'll just end up being more frustrated and more name calling (somewhat enjoyable) will ensue.

"If God himself designed this city a bball savior i'm not sure he would be all that different from Gil."

This is a bit of a stretch.

"Oh yeah one more thing, according to the new CBA an NBA player that is playing in the All-Star game must participate in any "skills" challenge that they are selected for minus the Dunk Contest. So the only way Agent Zero couldn't do the 3pt contest is if he didn't play because of injury. And you know he was playing in the All-Star game. I would have been disappointed otherwise."

My argument all along was that if Arenas has an ailing shoulder, he should have put TEAM FIRST and bowed out of the all star festivities outright like Steve Nash did. Was the 3 point contest going to do his shoulder or his shooting stroke any favors? Uh, no.

Not only did he not do that, he went out and had 100 jerseys made to toss out at the fans, did mulitiple events and fan events in Vegas, etc., etc.....You could tell what was on Arenas' mind because he couldn't stop the self promotion machine.

It's actually unfair for me to mention and compare Gilby with Nash though. I mean, you'd be comparing a 2 time MVP with a No time MVP, a guy who's the consummate team person, a guy who sets people up with assists, but can easily score at will if he wanted to, the list goes on an on....but scratch all that though. In this instance, I am only saying that Nash sat out for the betterment of his team. Gilby participated for the betterment of himself to elevate himself in his own eyes to the level of Kobe, Dwade, etc., etc.

Posted by: DC Man88 | February 27, 2007 8:35 AM

The wise owl understood the knowledge to be gained from the answer and embraced the question. But the young grasshopper resists the knowledge of answer so he continues to resist the question.
The question was simple,"just for FUN who would you trade one on one for Gilbert Arenas". Remember the salaries have to match that's why I directed people to the ESPN trade machine.
When I was about 20 I thought I was an ok play ground player. Could hold my own in alot of games around College Park. Some of the black guys I knew took me to a park in DC. First game I was in I was matched up with a guy they called Abe. I had about 5" on that guy and I could still jump a little and this guy had knee braces on both knees and walked with a limp so I thought this will be easy.
Needless to say he schooled me real bad. Half the time I couldn't find him, he took every angle, brushed me off screens, kept me off balance the whole night. The guys told me they "took me to school". I could have got pissed and never went back but I did and learned a little about a game I thought I knew alot about.
I'm 50 now and I'm still picking up things about this game. But there are some basic truths that have never changed. You can only put 5 guys on the court at the same time, so more than any other sport your best two or three players make a huge impact.
I think somebody said on this site that you never trade big for small in this game. The real rule you never break is "you NEVER trade your best for less". You never trade your best player for anything but the team you're trading with's best player. And they better be a better team than you are or you're not getting better.
Somebody said here that to be a Wizards fan for more than 20 rs. you have to be a Diehard. Well I've been watching for 41 I'm not sure what it makes me. But there is two things I can tell you for sure. We haven't had an offensive talent as gifted as Gilbert playing for this team since Earl "The Pearl" Monroe. And we haven't put together a team with a core of players like this since the early 70's when Elvin Hayes and Phil Chenier joined Wes Unseld.
That group contended for years and finally won it all in 79' and went back to the finals in 80'. I agree with Charles Jones, we have alot of reasons to be happy right now. Just enjoy it while it lasts

Posted by: GM | February 27, 2007 8:45 AM

Mitch, that was a good and fair posting. To follow up, if Haywoode is getting nothing from Gilby, then what's his incentive to bail Gilby out when he does his typical O'lay defense. None whatsoever.

The problem with this team is that unless Arenas learns to pass the ball and set people up, this team will be a consistent playoff team because of their talent level, but never really a championship contender. They can add all the pieces they want, but who's going to come here if they're not going to get the ball? Would any free agent out there want to play with a PG who's more like Arenas or like Nash and Chris Paul? You'll have to rely on free agency though, because if you're a perennial playoff loser, you'll never get the impact players from the draft.

The stars are somewhat aligning for Les Boules this year because of problems with other teams. The Heat (injuries), the Nets, the Pacers (big trade with new players), Cavs (Lebron tired and offense bad), etc. Pistons and Chicago are probably the teams to beat now. Les Boules need to get healthy, find their shot, and start playing some D if they want to go far in the playoffs.

Posted by: Dc Man88 | February 27, 2007 8:47 AM

"But they won't win with Gil handing out 12 assists a game. "

Agreed.

Gil has to score for this team to win, the problem is over the last two years he's gone from a "slasher" to a pure jumper shooter.

There were times a couple years ago that Gil used to take over games ala MJ by driving to the hole and getting to the line. I really think he's stopped doing that this year because he thinks he isn't going to get the calls.

- Ray

PS - Hayes getting any playing time is a joke. It was Henry or CJ that thought Caron was hurt and he/they were right. Hayes is hurt also and still grabbing his knee on occasion yet he's getting more playing time. Not starting Booth in that situation is crazy to me.

Posted by: Ray | February 27, 2007 10:19 AM

Hope you guys had a chance to read Bill SImmons' piece about how absurd it was that no deals were made at the trading deadline. The window to be a great team is so small and precious that you owe it to your fans to try. It's nice we're winning the 2nd worst division in the history of organized sport but so what? Look around at the nasty squads in the league that no one wants a piece of.

They don't have children taking meaningful minutes, don't have 1 serviceable big man between 2 fighting idiots, they don't have a man who lied to everyone named 'arvis who bricks jumpers like that old guy with rec specs on at the Y at a Sunday morning run.

We've been to the playoffs the last 2 years with more than half the teams. Yeah, more teams go to the playoffs than don't go. Gil is great but he's not one of the superstars who can carry a team when everyone else is hurt. It's not fair to ask it of him. He's not Kobe or Wade. Those are the guys that can do it and they make twice as much as Gil does. Gil is Gil. I consider myself lucky that we have him because he's inredible but don't ask him to be something that he's not.

We signed him for so little in comparison with his production. We took a chance that 18 a game would turn into 29 a game and it did. They mocked Grunfeld when he made the signing but now?

Gil bashers need to recall what it was like before. When the best option we had was a desimated Bernard King after 9 knee surgeries or Jeff Malone and his knee pads coming off a baseline screen from Mark Alorie for a turnaround J. Pipe down on Gil.

Posted by: Bernard King | February 27, 2007 10:27 AM

GM

"We haven't had an offensive talent as gifted as Gilbert playing for this team since Earl "The Pearl" Monroe. "

The Pearl please, while I didn't catch his seasons with B-more, a little bit to young, there is no way you can say he was a better offensive talent then the Big E.

And for that matter he wasn't a better offensive talent then Bernard King.

Posted by: dc | February 27, 2007 10:35 AM

"Gil bashers need to recall what it was like before."

I agree with BK on this one.

Washington could only dream about having someone average 30 a night. It was rough here for a long time and I went to a lot of those games BK is talking about at the smelly old Cap Center.

Everyone was kissing Gil's butt just last month screaming "Habachi!"

He's still a kid for crying out loud, good grief! Cut him some slack.

- Ray

Posted by: Ray | February 27, 2007 11:19 AM

dc, No doubt "The Big E" is one of the greatest ever. Bernard was a great basketball player that was one more knee surgery from being done when we got him.
He gave us some great play til he broke down again.
Hayes had a turnaround jumper that was unstoppable. I was a playoff series at the old Cap Center when Hayes and Bob McAdoo(Buffalo Braves) locked up in some of the greatest games that I ever saw live.
But the Pearl was the most unbleiveable player I ever saw. When Pistol Pete was coming up some people hung the tag "White Pearl" on him and he hated it. It was important to him that he not be just the best white player, so he didn't want to be a white version of "The Pearl". It was clear at that time where he ranked "The Pearl".
The other night on the Bulls/Wiz game it was said "you never change hands with your back to a defender". Earl did it all the time, the guy had eyes in the back of his head. He always seemed to know where all 9 of the other guys on the court were and where they were going next. He would deak a guy into coming off his man for the steal, and then hit their man for an open layup.
The Bullets in those days weren't a great team, but had a few great players. Gus Johnson, Wes Unseld and The Pearl led them to some Epic battles against the old Knicks. Got to the finals once but Earl and Gus were out and they got swept by Oscar Robinson, Kareem and the Bucks.
With modern knee surgery Gus Johnson and The Pearl may have much longer and more productive careers and maybe would have lived happier lives after basketball. By the time Earl got to the Knicks he was only a shell of the player that starred for the Bullets in the late 60's. But he was good enough to be part of the starting 5 that won two titles.
Even with their serious knee problems Gus and Earl were honored as two of the greatest players in the first 50 yrs of the NBA. I know the Big E and Wes were also. I'm not sure about Benard.
All were great players and I agree with Ray that changing the team name and colors kind of diminished their legacy. But for just plain jaw dropping how did he do that offensive talent I still put the Pearl at the top of the list of players that I've seen. And by the way he was a point gaurd that aways lead his team in scoring. So were Oscar Robinson, Tiny Archibald, Pistol Pete to name just a few.

Posted by: GM | February 27, 2007 11:20 AM

Ray, I think we all want Gil to fall out of love with the 35-footer Hibachi shots a little and attack the rim more. But Gil leads the entire NBA in total FT attempts and is third in attempts per game, behind Wade and Iverson at just under 10 per game.

According to stats, that's down 0.4 FTA per game from last season. In 04-05, Gil had 8.0 FTA per game.

So I don't think there's some epidemic of jump-shooting and totally avoiding the lane this year.

Posted by: Gack | February 27, 2007 11:59 AM

""But they won't win with Gil handing out 12 assists a game. "

Agreed.

Gil has to score for this team to win, the problem is over the last two years he's gone from a "slasher" to a pure jumper shooter."

I've never had a gripe with Gilby taking a lot of shots if he's actually making at least 46-48% of them. Right now, he's shooting 42% from the field, and 35% from 3 point land. He will get his points, but the important thing is getting the win.


Now, if he's in a shooting slump and making 1-11 from the 3 point line and taking bad shots, then that's definitely not good for the team. Superstars learn how to win when one of their weapons isn't working. If Gilby's shot isn't working, then he should be looking for the hot man, not continue to fire up blanks. What I've seen lately is long bombs clunking and tring to split double teams.

As many shots as he takes, it can only result in an offense that stagnates. There are many scorers on this team, and guys who can finish strong. By saying this team won't win if he doesn't have 12 assists is ludicrous. People know Gilby can score, so if they know he can pass also, that will keep defenses honest and create better opportunities not just for hs teammates, but for himself also.

I'd be happy with 7-8 assists per game, and when I say assists, I mean an assist, not throwing the ball out to a guy on the 3 point line for a bailout shot with the clock ticking down from 3 seconds. That's how it's mostly been this season.

Maybe instead of blaming Gilby, we need to heap more blame on EJ. Where is this Princeton Offense? Didn't he and Gilby go up to watch J.Kidd during one summer? It is EJ who calls the plays, coaches the offense, and allows some players to take bad shots and go one on one.

Maybe EJ is just stuck now. If he speaks up against his star player again, he'll get canned. If he doesn't, this team will continue to be a mediocre #2 team in a bad division.

Posted by: DC Man88 | February 27, 2007 12:39 PM

Wow, Mike Lee really lets Arvis have it in his latest Insider column.

"Jarvis Hayes stinks up the joint in extended playing time Sunday, missing 9 of 10 shots in 35 minutes."

Posted by: Gack | February 27, 2007 1:24 PM

I'd be curious if Michael Lee wrote that side box which says "Jarvis Hayes stinks up the joint".

Not that it's inaccurate, but it sounds more like a headline writer's words than ML's.

Posted by: burke | February 27, 2007 1:55 PM

"What I've seen lately is long bombs clunking and trying to split the double team"
Well grasshopper, I let that one about splitting the double teams go by before, but just because you type something doesn't make it fact. I learned to play basketball in a barn. I didn't have the advantage of basketball camps and alot of advanced coaching. But I've watched this game for years and sent my son to some pretty good camps.
At every coaching clinic I've ever seen points are taught to attack and split the double. Big men are taught to split it and step through. What you create is a split second 4 on 3 for your teammates or you gain a clear path to the basket because if somone else steps out on you, you just created a 4 on 2. If you turn your back on the double looking fo help you're fried.
Doesn't always work, you can get stripped but it's one of those returns out weigh the risks things. You can pass out early, but as a point they're trying to get the ball out of your hands, so doing that plays into the defensive team's wishes. You're letting them dictate your offense by their double. I hope I explained it properly Gary Williams and Coach K tell it much better at their camps.
So grasshopper another day another lesson. Tomorrow's lesson: Look up Jordan's career shooting percentage from the field and from 3 pt. land you might find some interesting reading. And watch Nash and Kidd take on the double team, they split it if teams are dumb enough to try it.
Gack, interesting stat about Gil's free throw attempts per game. I wonder what his attempts do after the Allstar break and in the playoffs.

Posted by: GM | February 27, 2007 2:00 PM

If you look at the box score, since none of us were priveledged enough to see the game, only Deshawn, Darius, & Roger had decent games. Of course, not enough by the bench to make an impact.

It was interesting to see how KG stuffed his mentee into the locker this second game, after AB's nice showing as the starter a few games earlier.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=270225016

Posted by: DC Man88 | February 27, 2007 2:14 PM

What a joke. We're down to comparing a country bumpkin playing basketball in a barn to how they play in the NBA. What is also silly/ridiculous is comparing two of the best passers, set up men, and court leaders in the game to Arenas.

Court awareness is defintely the key. Arenas doesn't have that. When you have a player who is dead set on driving and shooting, with his nose in the grindstone, he will be double teamed easily. When you have others who can pass and have court awareness like Kidd and Nash, they can anticipate the double coming and pass out, or split and pass to the open guy. Arenas splits, is off balance, and then misses the shot.

While you're comparing Kidd and Nash to Arenas, go ahead and compare their average assists, Nash's # of MVPs, Nash's 196 double doubles, and Kidd's 185 double doubles, and Kidd's #3 ranking in all time triple doubles (84).

http://www.nba.com/features/kidd_tripledoubles.html

Silly bumpkin, tricks are for kids.

Posted by: DC Man88 | February 27, 2007 2:33 PM

Also, don't compare Jordan to Arenas. It's beyond ludicrous. Arenas chokes, Jordan doesn't. And, Jordan proved beyond a doubt that he can carry a team and that's how he got his glory. Arenas has yet to prove he can carry anything, but wants his glory now.

Posted by: DC Man88 | February 27, 2007 2:36 PM

Bernard King, you make the most sense of anyone on this blog.

I am of age and remember the bullets of old up til now. I recall the total excitement of last yrs playoff run and the exciting last second shot against the bulls. I was a teen when Ali beat Frazier.

I am in the legal field - many days had to walk Rod Strickland out of the courts. Remember Juwan and Webber who lived just up the road from me. No matter what neither of these guys behaved like GA.
At least not when I observed them. Yes they had their social things going on but for the most part just rolled along.

I don't personally think people dislike or try to bash Gilbert Arenas. I will be honest with you. This pertains to me and only me: The last two yrs his manner appeared fine. Ya felt you wanted to support and root for this guy. He's humble, fantastic player, works hard. Friends worked with him & spoke of his givng nature.

Then the Mike Wise article...

It was as though he changed overnight.
I thought it odd and ignored it but I have friends and folks close to him - been around him- know him well. Knew all the personal stuff early. It didn't phase me til this year thru hearing/watching.
He's become obnoxious, very naracistic, egotistical, clamouring for attention, the media, press, etc. demanding star status, treatment. Yet off the court not so nice about other players who put in their time to gain their status. He changed big time. He started acting like some desperate aging actor desperate for somebody to interview him - take his picture - put him on the coverpage- on T.V - radio just desperate for attention alllllllllllll the time.

I keep thinking is: Please just play ball! Your game will speak for you! You're a great player & guy - let that game speak for you!

I love basketball - listen, watch, study every major sports page but I've gotten tired of the Arenas program.

I view him now like J-LO, Beyonce and Brittany Spears? Gotta have the publicity.

Perhaps what happens here is: Old school bumps into the newer generation who likes this style. I obviously do not and Quite frankly, I don't think anyone else on this blog "hates" GA or the wizards. Life's too short. I think we all respect him & the Wiz just fine. Truth be told - If we all liked exactly the same things, agreed on absolutely every person, place or thing how dull the world would be. Contrary to the behavior of the bloggers who don't like persons giving their opinions that don't agree with them - they will never grow without a challenge. Thats what makes you stronger. thanks for the moment

Posted by: Robin | February 27, 2007 2:51 PM

Go back and read your post, you critized Gil for spliting the double team for the second time. I only pointed out that everyone splits the double team that's how it's taught. I really wasn't sure that you knew that.
You endlessly quote stats, I just suggested You check out Jordan's as a point of comparison. Since most regard him as the greatest or one of the greatest of all time his stats should make a point of reference for a scoring gaurd.
I didn't once compare Jordan and Gil, you made that inference. Didn't compare Gil to Jason or Nash, I just said that look at how they attack a double team. They split it, plain and simple.
If you go back and read my posts you might pickup that I poke fun at my farmboy background. I have never compared myself to an NBA player. Never said that my knowledge of the game came from that barn. Most of what I know about basketball comes from 41 years of being a huge fan. Back at Maryland Lefty would let guys like me just sit and watch practice if we kept our mouths shut, I learned more watching John Lucas practice then I did in years of watching games. I find the conversation about the game here amoung knowledgable fans to be interesting. I frankly love reading what others have to say and enjoy the exchange of opinions.
But Grasshopper you have a lot to learn, you think you know alot about this game and you have all the answers. You spout stats like the mean something, but when someone trys to encourage you to think you spout.
When I was a 20 year old I needed to be taken to school, broke down so to speak to understand this game. I'm afraid when you're my age you'll still be pounding on the computor keys still proclaiming how you're always right. I think I and others on this site have encouraged you to think, each time someone does you respond with another name calling rant.
But then what do I know, I just grew up a Bumpkin in a Barn.

Posted by: GM | February 27, 2007 3:19 PM

Robin you are right. Some people are just born stars because of how they carry themselves, or become stars not because they want to. Arenas, the more he tries to be in your face to be a star, the more you lose respect for him because he comes off as a desperate poser trying to cover it up as being "quirky."

And, that has translated from off the court (ie. Love coming out birthday party) antics, to on the court too. With his All Star game participation (one handed 3 pointers in the contest that he knew he lost), to his "you want me to play Defense?!?!" interview, to his shooting slump.

I'm glad another guy in the locker room is challenging him (Deshawn Stevens) and talking smack. The other players on this team are mostly meek. Arenas is the face of the franchise though, and since DS has a 1 year contract, I wouldn't be surprised if Arenas tells EJ/EG to not resign him. That's what Kwame accused him of, when Kwame got one digit minutes in a playoff game #3 after tearing it up during the 2nd game. Kwame threatened to slap Arenas because he thought Arenas told EJ not to put him in the game.

Arenas is seeking the love that he never got from his mother, and that has got a lot of his fans GAG GAG over GA, but also got a lot of other Wizards fans questioning his intentions and what he really stands for. As Wilbon quoted, many NBA players think he's emotionally weak and not mentally tough. Only time will tell.

Posted by: DC Man88 | February 27, 2007 3:22 PM

Hey bumpkin, I think you're better off riding off into the sunset and retiring in your barn. Go take your afternoon nap and dream about how you're splitting defenses and enjoying practices. It's less stress for an old guy like you than trying to convince everyone that Arenas is the second coming of Jesus with a basketball.

Posted by: DC Man88 | February 27, 2007 3:26 PM

I like your style, GM. I'm a big defender of using stats to prove a point but I appreciate your anecdotes and comparisons too. Sometimes we all get too caught up in trying to win an argument that we forget the reason we're here is to have fun and share our love of the team.

PS, your story about thinking you were pretty good and getting schooled was great, I know I've certainly been there...

Posted by: Gack | February 27, 2007 3:27 PM

"I think I and others on this site have encouraged you to think, each time someone does you respond with another name calling rant."

You referred to me as a grasshopper first, and I called you a bumpkin in return. Now I'm the instigator?

Bumpkin, you have a very selective memory. Either go back to your barn, or go play your ESPN trade machine to your heart's delight and pop a couple of geritols while you're at it. Remember, prozac and caffeine don't mix.

Posted by: DC Man88 | February 27, 2007 3:32 PM

Wouldn't have expected anything less from you, Grasshopper. I'll refer to you as a man when the character of you being has earned it. Until then you're my little grasshopper.
By the way, the barn's long gone. My wife and I Run a business now. I have season tickets to the Wiz which I enjoy greatly.
Abe may have schooled me on the court 30 years ago but we became friends and taught me alot about basketball. As has going to practices, watching clinics and just plain pickup games.
Just keep pounding the keys, you make yourself look bigger in your own eyes by the second. But then that's the only opinion that really matters isn't it.

Posted by: GM | February 27, 2007 3:59 PM

"So I don't think there's some epidemic of jump-shooting and totally avoiding the lane this year."

Then how do you explain him going 5 for 20 mostly every night for the last month and a half? He's not taking high percentage shots at all right now.

Again, the Wiz get to the stripe because they are a "fast" team. Yes, they get the "and 1's" but for the most part they draw thier fouls off the dribble then go to the bonus.

"I'd be curious if Michael Lee wrote that side box which says "Jarvis Hayes stinks up the joint"."

Where'd he say that at? Just last month he was saying how "unfair" he thought it was that everyone was coming down on him so hard on here.

"I keep thinking is: Please just play ball! Your game will speak for you! You're a great player & guy - let that game speak for you!"

My thoughts exactly Robin. I was kinda sad to see Gil say what he did this past summer after that whole team USA thing. Great to use it for motivation, but keep that inside...play with a chip. This way when Gil throws up 50 on someone he can just kinda say "See, you messed up."

But again, he's young STILL.

Gill will be fine.

- Ray

Posted by: Ray | February 27, 2007 4:05 PM

Henry,

Is there a site that has individuals stats instead of team stats on jump shooting compared to layups and such?

82games only has team stats, and they have the Wiz at 68% for jump shooting.

- Ray

Posted by: Ray | February 27, 2007 4:07 PM

Ray, I'm saying Gil's trips to the line this year versus last don't indicate that he's abandoned the idea of attacking the hoop. You can't be near the top of the charts in 3-point shooting, FT shooting and scoring, if you're just a mad bomber. There's a certain degree of diametric opposition involved.

Posted by: Gack | February 27, 2007 4:12 PM

Ray, Michael Lee's bit about Jarvis is here:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/02/26/AR2007022601309.html

The sidebox that says "Jarvis stinks" is a lot harsher than Michael's stuff, which I why I was questioning whether he's written that part. I don't think he did.

Posted by: burke | February 27, 2007 4:44 PM

Ray -- I've seen the type of stats you seek but don't recall where. They are stats for individuals, and they show a picture of the floor broken up into several segments (e.g., in the lane, on the left wing 18 ft. and out, etc.), and that particular player's shooting stats from each segment on the floor. Does that ring a bell with anyone?
What's amazing to me about the jumping shooting stats is how low the percentage is, for example an EFFECTIVE FG% (which incorporates the additional point for a 3 pointer) for the Wizards jumpshots of 42%.

Posted by: Henry | February 27, 2007 4:51 PM

Ray, I agree 100 percent that Gil will be fine. I look at his growth each year since he came in the league. What I think he needs more than anything else is that mid range game that seasoned vets develop. Jordan didn't really have one til later in his career.
Vets realize that in an 82 game season you take alot of pounding going to the rack. Learning to split the double and stop and pop or shooting a little floater or a Finger roll can save alot of wear and tear on the body. I think Gil will add that to his game. I noticed at the Bulls that EJ was trying to get him off the ball some and they did get some short jumpers for Gil. But Hinrich also got a couple of big steals.

Posted by: GM | February 27, 2007 4:53 PM

Bumpkin, I think your brain is getting comfortably numb at your old age. Of course you have season tickets. It explains why you're biased towards Gilby.

Whether you refer to me as a grasshopper of whatever, I hope you enjoy it. It shows you're a hyprocite, and have no reason to call others out for namecalling. I don't get offended as easily as some of these fudgepackers here like you. Enjoy!

Posted by: DC Man88 | February 27, 2007 5:21 PM

All you Gilby lovers are a joke. Last year I was a big fan of Gilby, but then he choked vs LeBron. All he had to do was shoot a couple of free throws and Les Boules would have won.

I had put all my 8K on that game to get a nice ride to impress my girl and I, and Gilby had to screw that up. Now my girl ain't even listening to me.
Not that i'm pi$$ed at Gilby but Les Boules needs to trade Gilby for a pass first point guard or a better star player. Wake up Gilby lovers!

Posted by: DC Man88 | February 27, 2007 5:30 PM

"

All you Gilby lovers are a joke. Last year I was a big fan of Gilby, but then he choked vs LeBron. All he had to do was shoot a couple of free throws and Les Boules would have won.

I had put all my 8K on that game to get a nice ride to impress my girl and I, and Gilby had to screw that up. Now my girl ain't even listening to me.
Not that i'm pi$$ed at Gilby but Les Boules needs to trade Gilby for a pass first point guard or a better star player. Wake up Gilby lovers!"

Hahah, cute impersonation, but I was never a fan of Gilby.

Posted by: DC Man88 | February 27, 2007 5:33 PM

Bumpkin, go back to your retirement home you f'ckin geriatric! You can't hang with me!

Posted by: DC Man88 | February 27, 2007 5:35 PM

fvuch that azzhole

Posted by: DC Man88 | February 27, 2007 5:38 PM

My c$nt is throbbing for Gilbert's long ball.

Posted by: Lisa | February 27, 2007 5:39 PM

Henry & Ray, I don't know where to find the graphical representation you're describing, but you can get individual shooting stats at 82games.com as well. If you click the player's name from the team page, then click the Player Stats link on the left, above the "On Court/Off Court" stats, you get a page with their individual breakdowns.

For Gil this year, they have him taking 76% jump shots and 24% inside (including dunks). His effective FG% (including 3-point bonus) is .453 on jump shots and .585 inside (.580 close, 1.000 on dunks). That yields 14.9 ppg on jump shots, 6.3 inside, and he gets 8.1 ppg on free throws made.

Posted by: Josh | February 27, 2007 5:43 PM

Bumpkin, so i'm not a Gilby fan. BigF'ckin deal, there's plenty of you Gilby lovers out there.

Posted by: DC Man88 | February 27, 2007 5:44 PM

DC Man88 now we understand you much better. You're young, you have so much to live for. $8K isn't that much, you can make that up in a short time. No point in hating Gil for missing those free throws, sometimes stars miss them too. Look at LeTravel, he's missing them left and right every night.

Posted by: Anonymous | February 27, 2007 5:50 PM

Bumpkin, so i'm not a Gilby fan. BigF'ckin deal, there's plenty of you Gilby lovers out there.

Posted by: Gack | February 27, 2007 5:50 PM

My c$nt is throbbing for Gilbert's long ball.

Posted by: Going G.A.G.A. over Gilbert | February 27, 2007 5:53 PM

DC Man88 now we understand you much better. You're young, you have so much to live for. $8K isn't that much, you can make that up in a short time. No point in hating Gil for missing those free throws, sometimes stars miss them too. Look at LeTravel, he's missing them left and right every night.

Posted by: Ray | February 27, 2007 5:55 PM

First of all as I said before no one will trade a star under his rookie contract. The only way either team would make that trade would be after next year when Paul and Williams will be looking for Max contracts.
If the Wiz would take either deal next year they would give up Arenas at around 12m to 13 m and end up takiing back 20m plus on the sign and trade so the deal gets a whole lot more complicated.
The point was and is, the list of players in the league that you could trade Gilbert for is a very short one. When I was a young man my grandmother used to tell me to be careful what you wish for because you might get it.
In sports when you trade your best player you seldem improve your team. I watched this team trade players like Earl Monroe and Chris Webber and get Zero in return. I think we should keep Zero this time and you can just go on hating it.

Posted by: dc | February 27, 2007 5:55 PM

Bernard King, you make the most sense of anyone on this blog.

I am of age and remember the bullets of old up til now. I recall the total excitement of last yrs playoff run and the exciting last second shot against the bulls. I was a teen when Ali beat Frazier.

I am in the legal field - many days had to walk Rod Strickland out of the courts. Remember Juwan and Webber who lived just up the road from me. No matter what neither of these guys behaved like GA.
At least not when I observed them. Yes they had their social things going on but for the most part just rolled along.

I don't personally think people dislike or try to bash Gilbert Arenas. I will be honest with you. This pertains to me and only me: The last two yrs his manner appeared fine. Ya felt you wanted to support and root for this guy. He's humble, fantastic player, works hard. Friends worked with him & spoke of his givng nature.

Then the Mike Wise article...

It was as though he changed overnight.
I thought it odd and ignored it but I have friends and folks close to him - been around him- know him well. Knew all the personal stuff early. It didn't phase me til this year thru hearing/watching.
He's become obnoxious, very naracistic, egotistical, clamouring for attention, the media, press, etc. demanding star status, treatment. Yet off the court not so nice about other players who put in their time to gain their status. He changed big time. He started acting like some desperate aging actor desperate for somebody to interview him - take his picture - put him on the coverpage- on T.V - radio just desperate for attention alllllllllllll the time.

I keep thinking is: Please just play ball! Your game will speak for you! You're a great player & guy - let that game speak for you!

I love basketball - listen, watch, study every major sports page but I've gotten tired of the Arenas program.

I view him now like J-LO, Beyonce and Brittany Spears? Gotta have the publicity.

Perhaps what happens here is: Old school bumps into the newer generation who likes this style. I obviously do not and Quite frankly, I don't think anyone else on this blog "hates" GA or the wizards. Life's too short. I think we all respect him & the Wiz just fine. Truth be told - If we all liked exactly the same things, agreed on absolutely every person, place or thing how dull the world would be. Contrary to the behavior of the bloggers who don't like persons giving their opinions that don't agree with them - they will never grow without a challenge. Thats what makes you stronger. thanks for the moment

Posted by: GM | February 27, 2007 5:57 PM

Lisa - I completely agree with Ray that we should ignore posters when they're throwing flames. Discourage the bad behavior. If, however, he's posting analysis and opinions and not insulting anyone (so far today), then why not thank him for keeping it clean (so far today). Community feedback is really the only mechanism this blog has for 'enforcing' standards of behavior. Unfortunately, your post is probably going to elicit a very harsh response.

Posted by: DC Man88 | February 27, 2007 5:58 PM

Mitch, that was a good and fair posting. To follow up, if Haywoode is getting nothing from Gilby, then what's his incentive to bail Gilby out when he does his typical O'lay defense. None whatsoever.

The problem with this team is that unless Arenas learns to pass the ball and set people up, this team will be a consistent playoff team because of their talent level, but never really a championship contender. They can add all the pieces they want, but who's going to come here if they're not going to get the ball? Would any free agent out there want to play with a PG who's more like Arenas or like Nash and Chris Paul? You'll have to rely on free agency though, because if you're a perennial playoff loser, you'll never get the impact players from the draft.

The stars are somewhat aligning for Les Boules this year because of problems with other teams. The Heat (injuries), the Nets, the Pacers (big trade with new players), Cavs (Lebron tired and offense bad), etc. Pistons and Chicago are probably the teams to beat now. Les Boules need to get healthy, find their shot, and start playing some D if they want to go far in the playoffs.

Posted by: GM | February 27, 2007 6:00 PM

DC Man88 - First, thanks for keeping it clean. Don't forget that the only time that Jamison, Larry Hughes, or Caron have ever sniffed all-star status is with Gil as their PG. Coincidence? Don't think so. Next year, it could be DeShawn - he is, after all, Gil's best friend on the team. Please note - although I disagree with your analysis, I respect it.

Posted by: GM | February 27, 2007 6:01 PM

"Gil bashers need to recall what it was like before."

I agree with BK on this one.

Washington could only dream about having someone average 30 a night. It was rough here for a long time and I went to a lot of those games BK is talking about at the smelly old Cap Center.

Everyone was kissing Gil's butt just last month screaming "Habachi!"

He's still a kid for crying out loud, good grief! Cut him some slack.

Posted by: burke | February 27, 2007 6:02 PM

Gilby even had the balls to turn me down as a groupie! I thought since he was single, he would pack my fudge for me, no complaints.

Posted by: DC Man88 | February 27, 2007 6:04 PM

but NO! Gilby had to disappoint me again.

Posted by: DC Man88 | February 27, 2007 6:05 PM

I think if I keep posting Haterade for Gil, maybe he'll take notice of me and see my side of the story. Time will tell if he'll give me another chance so that I can at least get one thrust in. It's been so long, I can't wait though.

Posted by: DC Man88 | February 27, 2007 6:11 PM

OK DC Man88, this is getting out of hand. Someone mention something to WaPo for this. We need to get back to Wiz basketball.

Posted by: Anonymous | February 27, 2007 6:16 PM

Hahaha ROFL that's too funny DC Man. Looks like your gasket has blown. Keep it coming, I can't stop laughing!

Posted by: lol | February 27, 2007 6:21 PM

how very disappointing. we make it through 60% of the season and then a bad apple steps in and really makes things uncomfortable.

please. . . keep it clean. there are plenty of places where on the web where you can be as juvenile, misogonystic, and frankly offensive as you want to be, but this blog isn't supposed to be that place. please don't ruin it for those of us who enjoy the back and forth and insights. not sure how this got so personal, but let's collectively move on.

we need a win tonight. go wiz.

Posted by: charles jones | February 27, 2007 6:57 PM

Caron out AGAIN tonight....so yet another loss....hope it's not too bad.

Posted by: Lisa | February 27, 2007 7:15 PM

anyone know what channel the game is on on the directtv? i can't find it.

Posted by: charles jones | February 27, 2007 7:42 PM

Secret Weapon: I don't think we're gonna get it tonight. Comcast is showing hockey and the usual alternate channels aren't available. I'm supposed to be able to see games in HD on the 95-96-97 channels when CSN does them, and there is a Wiz game on there tonight, but I'm guessing it's the Nets local sports channel's coverage and therefore we don't get it.

Posted by: Gack | February 27, 2007 7:44 PM

Wow, time to contact WaPo, when people start masquerading as other posters and posting nasty stuff, you know it's gotten out of hand. Sigh.

Posted by: Gack | February 27, 2007 7:49 PM

thanks gack - came to same conclusion - bummer since it is on 95 but we are blocked b/c news channel 8 has it.

Posted by: charles jones | February 27, 2007 7:51 PM

Guys,

It's on Ch.8 (News8) on Comcast if you have it. Watching it right now. Good luck.

Posted by: Going G.A.G.A. over Gilbert | February 27, 2007 7:54 PM

Ray, this isn't *totally* what you're looking for, but check out NBA.com's Hotzones page:

http://www.nba.com/hotzones/

One thing is for sure, Gil's hot and cold spots are definitely volatile. Try running his stats split home vs. away. It's pretty crazy.

Posted by: Gack | February 27, 2007 7:55 PM

#@*O$&#(*&$@#(*$&#@($&@#*$

First, I live in Richmond and we are supposed to get the game on Channel 43. No dice.

Second, why in the #)($*@)#($*#()@$#@(*$&#@(* does Jarvis Hayes have as many shots in the first period as Gilbert?

Now that I am done venting, any of the other normal posters going to tomorrow night's game.

Posted by: George Templeton | February 27, 2007 8:10 PM

Why is Jarvis Hayes still on the team?

Posted by: Boulez | February 27, 2007 8:13 PM

Hahaha...you know you are really getting to someone if they have to pretend that they are you by making silly posts using your blog name.

You can continue to hide and use my name, but you prove your cowardice to yourself everytime you do it.

I don't care. Seriously, keep doing it.

Posted by: DC Man88 | February 27, 2007 8:51 PM

Back to the game. Gilby needs to pass the ball around and drive to the hole. Stop chucking the ball up as soon as you dribble up the court.

No wonder all your teammates hate you when you do that. Give me Deron Williams, forget Gilby. Les Boules are going to lose again.

Posted by: DC Man88 | February 27, 2007 9:09 PM

You know, there's a perfectly good team that has a guy called Deron Williams who is always looking for fans.


http://jazzfanz.com/boards/viewforum.php?f=1

I'm sure they'd love to hear your daily expositions on why Deron is better than Gilbert...

Posted by: Gack | February 27, 2007 9:14 PM

Great commentary on that Jazz fans board too. Apparently both Deron Williams and Mehmet Okur are claiming they hurt their backs sleeping on the overly soft hotel mattresses in Vegas for All-Star weekend.

Guess "Gilby" isn't the only player who should have opted out of ASW.

Posted by: Gack | February 27, 2007 9:17 PM

"No wonder all your teammates hate you when you do that. Give me Deron Williams, forget Gilby. Les Boules are going to lose again."

Actually, I prefer Chris Paul over Deron.

Posted by: DC Man88 | February 27, 2007 9:20 PM

Gack just ignore the guy, he apparently doesn't have anything constructive to say. Then when he does say something he'll come back to say someone else actually posted it.

Posted by: Anonymous | February 27, 2007 9:23 PM

NO ONE CARES BRAH!

Posted by: Anonymous | February 27, 2007 9:23 PM

Obviously you care enough to spend your evening typing up posts while using my name, but I don't care Brah!

I'm glad whatever I wrote in the past has kept you SO empassioned towards trying to get under my skin. It won't work junior. Keep up the good work.

Posted by: DC Man88 | February 27, 2007 9:25 PM

"No wonder all your teammates hate you when you do that. Give me Deron Williams, forget Gilby. Les Boules are going to lose again."

I might even take Shaun Livingston even after he blew out his kneecap over Gilby.

Posted by: DC Man88 | February 27, 2007 9:34 PM

butler out again, arenas hurting (3/11 from three land), jamison still out, deshawn NOT really surging, another 4th quarter collapse city.

Posted by: ct fan | February 27, 2007 9:38 PM

Can the Wizards find someone else to coach this team? I don't want to hear all the nonsense about this team being short-staffed. EJ's rotations have been abysmal tonight, nothing new. He's so predictable. Sometimes I wonder if he has a clue.

As for the players, well, Jarvis has been awful. The rebounding has been deficient. The defense is of course terrible. The careless turnovers are annoying. I just don't get it. With Jamison out (and Butler) all that's wrong with this team is magnified. A lot of their problems are hidden with all three scorers on the floor. This might serve as a wake-up call, but I doubt it. Nothing ever seems to enlighten them.

Posted by: Colin | February 27, 2007 9:40 PM

Please tell us how you would have fixed tonight's mess, Colin. With 2/3 of the highest scoring trio in the league out, and Gil and "Mister 50" shooting horrendously.

Seriously. What's your answer? If it wasn't for Roger Mason having a nice game, this is a blowout.

Posted by: Gack | February 27, 2007 9:52 PM

Never mind, it ends up being a blowout anyway. ESPN's GameCast is teh suxx0r.

Posted by: Gack | February 27, 2007 9:56 PM

Since I can't see the game, someone answer me this. Who in the hell has been guarding Bostjan Nachbar, because it is ridiculous that he has gone off like he has.
If you told me that Jarvis Hayes would have 21 points tonight, I would've thought the Wizards would win going away. As ctfan correctly said, another 4th quarter collapse. No matter who is hurt, its inexcusable.

Posted by: George Templeton | February 27, 2007 9:56 PM

EJ actually had a big, Songaila, guarding Nachbar. Nachbar being a 3 is way too quick and has the perimeter shots to make it way too hard for him to guard.

Posted by: Going G.A.G.A. over Gilbert | February 27, 2007 10:04 PM

Well I don't know if BTH or Etan would have done any better, but Songaila is not who I would have in mind to guard that guy. It sounds like Blatche should've been guarding him. Dammit this is a terrible defeat, I don't care who was hurt.

Posted by: George Templeton | February 27, 2007 10:08 PM

Thanks Josh & Henry. :)

"You can't be near the top of the charts in 3-point shooting, FT shooting and scoring, if you're just a mad bomber."

My argument is that you can if your quick like Gil is. Again, he's very explosive.

This is Gil's shooting line from tonight's game:

1st Quarter Summary

9:17 Gilbert Arenas misses 25-foot three point jumper

8:06 Gilbert Arenas misses 24-foot three point jumper

4:22 Gilbert Arenas misses 18-foot two point shot

0:51 Gilbert Arenas makes 23-foot two point shot

0:28 Gilbert Arenas misses 24-foot three point jumper

Mikki Moore shooting foul (Gilbert Arenas draws the foul)
0:01 Gilbert Arenas makes free throw 1 of 2
0:01 Gilbert Arenas makes free throw 2 of 2

2nd Quarter Summary

5:54 Gilbert Arenas misses 25-foot three point jumper

Jason Collins shooting foul (Gilbert Arenas draws the foul)
4:56 Gilbert Arenas makes free throw 1 of 2
4:56 Gilbert Arenas makes free throw 2 of 2

4:33 Gilbert Arenas makes driving layup

Mikki Moore shooting foul (Gilbert Arenas draws the foul)
:33 Gilbert Arenas makes free throw 1 of 1

Vince Carter shooting foul (Gilbert Arenas draws the foul)
4:11 Gilbert Arenas makes free throw 1 of 2
4:11 Gilbert Arenas makes free throw 2 of 2

3:00 Gilbert Arenas misses 25-foot three point jumper

2:04 Gilbert Arenas misses 21-foot jumper

1:35 Gilbert Arenas makes 28-foot three point jumper (Etan Thomas assists)

0:00 Gilbert Arenas misses 20-foot running jumper

3rd Quarter Summary

11:45 Gilbert Arenas makes 21-foot jumper (Jarvis Hayes assists)

9:04 Gilbert Arenas makes 28-foot three point jumper

6:22 Gilbert Arenas misses 20-foot two point shot

5:18 Gilbert Arenas misses 24-foot three point jumper

3:50 Gilbert Arenas misses 25-foot three point jumper

Jason Kidd shooting foul (Gilbert Arenas draws the foul)
3:39 Gilbert Arenas misses free throw 1 of 2
3:39 Gilbert Arenas misses free throw 2 of 2

3:12 Gilbert Arenas misses driving layup

2:01 Gilbert Arenas makes 23-foot jumper

1:15 Gilbert Arenas makes 27-foot three point jumper (Roger Mason assists)

4th Quarter Summary
11:26 Gilbert Arenas misses 26-foot three point jumper

Bostjan Nachbar shooting foul (Gilbert Arenas draws the foul)
9:17 Gilbert Arenas makes free throw 1 of 2
9:17 Gilbert Arenas makes free throw 2 of 2

8:14 Gilbert Arenas misses two point shot

5:58 Gilbert Arenas misses 24-foot three point jumper

2:31 Gilbert Arenas misses two point shot

1:54 Gilbert Arenas misses layup

1:36 Donell Taylor enters the game for Gilbert Arenas


I hope that cut and pasted ok. Gil finished with 26 points, went to the line 11 times, and went 3 for 12 from 3 point land. I love the guy but he's a mad bomber. ;)

He used to drive to the hole more, at least from what I remember. Maybe he should start doing it again.

Anyway, this has been Gil all year, except he's cold right now. I thought that first game after the break he played very well.

Maybe he's just tired, who knows.

- Ray

Posted by: Ray | February 27, 2007 10:11 PM

Can the Wizards find someone else to coach this team?

Lol, welcome to the "Jordan Haters of America Club" Colin. ;)

- Ray

Posted by: Ray | February 27, 2007 10:12 PM

Gack, you can't tell me his rotations have been atrocious. I know two players are out, but other coaches in this league know how to coax good games from their players when key guys are injured. They know how to finagle wins from whatever pieces they have. Let's also not forget that the Wizards have been in the last three games entering fourth quarters, but EJ's poor management has helped, in large part, the Wizards loss all three. Let's recap, shall we? Tonight, Calvin Booth gets run to start the fourth quarter instead of Haywood and Thomas. What happens? Offensive rebounds abound for the Nets. Mason is playing well, but he doesn't see second half action until the end of the third quarter. Magically, the Wizards make a run. Then he's pulled. Also tonight, while the Nets are grabbing all the offensive boards, EJ removes Blatche for the smaller Hayes. Seems counterintuitive to me. Against Minnesota, Stevenson played five minutes in the fourth quarter despite being the most effective offensive player on the floor. Hayes playes 35 minutes despite shooting 1-for-10. Mason plays 19 minutes despite his strong shooting. And against Chicago, EJ starts the fourth quarter with a small lineup, even though Ben Wallace was in the game. Wizards down three to start the fourth and down 10 points something like two minutes in.

Let's also not forget that his offense is overrated and that this team's success is predicated on the players shooting at a high percentage. They can't withstand poor shooting nights because they really don't do much else well. EJ talks up defense, but he doesn't hold his players accountable.

Posted by: Colin | February 27, 2007 10:13 PM

Oh, and Ray, I've been railing against Jordan since last year, when the team first regressed noticeably.

Posted by: Colin | February 27, 2007 10:15 PM

See? I told y'all GAG GAG suckers Gilby was gonna lose it for Les Boules! When are you groupies gonna see that he's a cancer like TO? And I said that all along.

Posted by: DC Man88 | February 27, 2007 10:16 PM

As a basketball analyst (Buckhantz) always says:

"DAGGGGERRRR!!!!"

In tonight's case though, it was more like sledgehammer.

Pretty much throughout the game, Jarvis covered Nachbar. Nachbar looked good not because he was dominating Jarvis, but Nachbar got good looks due to precision passes from JKidd and his 3 was on. That's the reason for his success. He was fouled a lot too.

Gilby again had a bad shooting night. He got his 26 pts (28% from the field and 25% from 3 pt.) to go with 3 assists, but the team got blown out. Almost fouled out.

Did anyone see in one play how he split the double team and went to the basket, only to get called for a charge? He was basically ineffective towards the 4th quarter. As the face of the franchise and the "star" on the team, he didn't provide any leadership nor did he carry this club. On a side note, JKidd almost had another triple double.

I'm glad that Jarvis looked decent and seems to be getting more comfortable. Unfortunately, if Caron comes back, it's back to the bench for Jarvis. I expect this team to step up and win against the Heat.

Posted by: DC Man88 | February 27, 2007 10:16 PM

"Can the Wizards find someone else to coach this team?

Lol, welcome to the "Jordan Haters of America Club" Colin. ;)"

I'm sure Jordan wouldn't mind coaching the Nets. He left right before Frank took over. He said he had no regrets though.

The team was close at the end when they called a timeout, but the very next play after the timeout was Deshawn being the only guy who touched the ball and heaved a long 3. You'd expect more after a timeout.

Posted by: DC Man88 | February 27, 2007 10:18 PM

why would they beat the heat? shaq is going to annihilate us

Posted by: ct fan | February 27, 2007 10:19 PM

Roger Mason, Stevenson, Blatche should have played more in my opinion. It was still a poor shooting night for Gilbert & Hayes. They played poor defense again. I think Gilbert needs to rest for a few games.

Posted by: bdunkadunk | February 27, 2007 10:26 PM

Colin, I hate defend Hayes but he actually had a good night at least on the offensive end. 7-16 from the field 5-6 from the foul lines 9 rebounds 3 assists, 21 points. Some of your other points are valid.

Posted by: George Templeton | February 27, 2007 10:29 PM

ct fan,

I think Les Boules are due one. Also, they're more athletic than the Heat, so the only way they can win is to turn on the jets. The Heat just lost to the Knicks yesterday, so let's hope Les Boules can step up.

Posted by: Dc Man88 | February 27, 2007 10:31 PM

Although I'm bummed by the loss, please give the team a break. I'm relieved that the Wiz were actually in the game until middle of the 4th quarter. When I heard Caron was out again, I thought it would be much worse. Let's face it....of the "Big 3" we only had the "1" and his shooting was off. There was no defense but what else is new? Also, the Nets are a team very familiar with Eddie's coaching style.

Personally, and this is wrong of me, I was a bit angry with Caron for sitting out (or whoever decided to sit him). If his back is tight, can't he still play? Yes, he is not 100% but we really needed him.

Posted by: Lisa | February 27, 2007 10:39 PM

I'll give Hayes is dap for tonight's effort. But he's going to have to do this night in and night out for a while to convince me he's worth giving big minutes to.

Posted by: Colin | February 27, 2007 10:49 PM

A worthy note also is the Nets were minus Richard Jefferson due to an ankle injury, so the Nets were shorthanded too. Neither team played much D, but the Nets really won due to sheer hustle and precision in running their team offense. In many of their offensive sets, they kicked the ball around the 3 point line until the open man got the ball and the easy bucket. Les Boules were disjointed, although some plays run by Jarvis off picks looked textbook.

Posted by: DC Man88 | February 27, 2007 10:51 PM

Ray: 11 trips to the line is a pretty solid night. Note that the highest number of FTA's in a modern (post-Wilt) season is Jordan's whopping 972 in '87, and that works out to 11.27 attempts per game.

Just a few years ago you had season-highs of 670-750, which put you in the 8-9 FTA's per game.

Again, this is all just for perspective.

Colin: I'm not arguing that there aren't some head-scratchers with EJ's lineups, I'm just saying, tell me how you win tonight when option 1 is cold again, 2 and 3 are on the shelf, and 4 has an uncharacteristically bad game? There is no team in the league I can think of that doesn't lose in that scenario.

We are like a fantasy league team that's been improved by consolidating depth for studs -- we have some serious guns, but we also have 3 major points of failure. Any one of whom go down, or play poorly, and we're potentially in trouble.

Your point on other coaches being able to coax wins with depleted rosters might be true, but we've always known this team is top-heavy and the bench didn't get enough PT earlier in the year to be reliable now.

On the upside, when all three are back and healthy, I really feel we will be a team to be reckoned with, that will be able to beat anybody on any given night. And the experience the bench is getting now will be helpful because it will allow EJ to trust them to come in and play in important stretches during the playoffs.

Posted by: Gack | February 27, 2007 10:59 PM

Go Gilby, I need you to keep playing hurt so I have a raison d'etre. Oh no, I'm speaking french!! But yet I keep spelling Les Boules wrong. But I thought that's how Tony K wrote it??!! OR was it Les Boulez.

I must say I look good posting all these invectives. I hide behind a computer & hate on my hometown team. I am as big as that tree in the forest I saw.

Oh no, my wrist is limp. & my mind is wimpy cause I still use the word "fudgepackers" so 90's. I must be a cracker trying to be down with the homies.
Or was da homes?! French. Ugh!

Posted by: DC Man88 | February 28, 2007 1:12 AM

A worthy note also is the Nets' Richard Jefferson played with an ankle injury, so the Nets were clearly worse too. Both team played effective D, but the Nets clearly loss due to lack of hustle and precision in running the other team's offense. In many of their offensive sets, they kicked the ball around the 1 point line until the covered man got the ball and the difficult bucket. Les Boules were coherent, AND some plays run by Jarvis off picks looked textbook. Gilby look tired but he's still an allstar and deservedly too.

Posted by: DC Man88 | February 28, 2007 1:16 AM

It's also worthy to note that EJ went smallball late in the 4th quarter as the Nets pulled away. I think EJ got frustrated with Haywoode and Etan wasn't doing anything, so he had to resort to smallball.

Posted by: Gack | February 28, 2007 6:49 AM

I couldn't stay up late to watch the game because I'm now and need to get my rest so that I can run my business properly, but I was clearly heartbroken when I saw that we lost again. I'm starting to get down on Arenas.

I bought season tickets just so that I could watch him take his jersey off, but now, it's not worth it after all. That sneaky Abe Pollin did the bait and switch. Pretended to have a good team, now it's a suckee team, just like the old times.

I'm still hoping Gilbert will throw his jersey my way though. I'll get the missus to maybe flash him like when she used to do at Mardi Gras, and maybe it'll catch Gilbert's eyes. Unfortunately, she's more like the old lady in the movie "There's Something about Mary," so it might scare little children. I still want that jersey so I can smell Arenas' hard earned sweat though. Reminds me of back in the day when Lefty used to let me wash the player's jerseys and undergarments after practice. Oooo wheee!

Posted by: GM | February 28, 2007 7:16 AM

George Templeton said, "Who in the hell has been guarding Bostjan Nachbar, because it is ridiculous that he has gone off like he has."

Uh, George, I hate to be the one to break the news, but these are the Wiz, no one guards anybody :(

Posted by: Mitch | February 28, 2007 7:20 AM

I can't offer any comment on last night's game since it was blacked out on Direct TV. Can never follow the logic of sometimes when games are on Comcast channel 8 which Direct TV doesn't carry we will get the game on the ticket. But sometimes like last night we don't.
I think I said last week, "that life is short but NBA seasons last forever". We are now in one of thoose forever in a day stretchs. Jamison will be back soon, Butler is day to day so I think we'll pull things back together. That's all I have to say about the Wiz right now.
I last logged onto this site at 4:53 PM since that time there have been 4 messages on this site that supposedly came from me and I have filed none. I think there are other posters that have had messages posted falsely in their names as well.
I want to thank Micheal and Ivan for spending so much of their time overseeing this site to as reispace says,"keep it clean". The Washington Post deserves our warm regards for hosting a site where people can state their opinions without having to deal with those that possibly have multi personality disorder.
Yes Lisa, I do agree that DCman88, Peter and the no name poster are all the same twisted freak. Last night he said that I couldn't run with him. Well where would that be to the bathroom!
This has become stranger than fiction and I really don't see the point in participating in a Wizard's Fan Site where I'm mocked for owning season tickets. Thank you to those that have engaged in a thoughtful exchange of ideas.
Grasshopper, when you post a players stats and comment on how deplorable they are. You should take the time to make yourself aware of the stats of the all time greats and how they compare. Like complaining about a point gaurd splitting the double team it makes you look rather foolish to others that have watched a few games in our life.
Lefty never made me do luandry, deal was keep your mouth shut, but you wouldn't know anything about that!

Posted by: GM | February 28, 2007 8:15 AM

Old Bumpkin, did you have some bad coffee this morning? I'd love to, but I can't take credit for whoever is f'n up this website. If you want to blame me regardless, go right ahead, b/c I don't care.

This website is just a blog where anybody can put up whatever the heck they want, either with their original name, or someone else's. It's not to be taken seriously, but obviously you do. I sure as heck don't care to get all fussed up about it.

You didn't watch last night's game, but if you did, you'd have seen your infamous "split the defense" claim to fame, but unfortunately, it was done by Gilby. He split the D, and then ran over someone and was assessed a charging foul. He got his stats last night, but didn't carry the team and disappeared during the 4th quarter. Way to go Gilby.

Posted by: DC Man88 | February 28, 2007 8:28 AM

Old Bumpkin, I did f'd it up - actually I remember now, on that play he did split the defense and went for the lay in and got fouled. The other play where Gilby got the charge was actually making a good bounce pass to Haywood but his momentum carried him into Moore. Damn, most nights, I don't have a clue what I'm watching.

Posted by: DC Man88 | February 28, 2007 8:46 AM

"I'll give Hayes is dap for tonight's effort. But he's going to have to do this night in and night out for a while to convince me he's worth giving big minutes to."

I agree with you Colin, on this and with Jordan. I felt the same way as you for a while myself. :)

If anyone has never had knee or back problems you are blessed. In regards to Hayes knee it is apparent that he still has issues some nights with it. I've seen him reach for it several times this year, that and he doesn't bend them on his jumper at all.

I've personally had three knee surgeries, all from basketball and I still go running a lot. Some days they feel great, some days not so good. I think Hayes still has a knee problem and it's affecting his shot.

The Wiz have to know this but as Colin says why give the guy big minutes? Answer: Eddie Jordan.

"Ray: 11 trips to the line is a pretty solid night."

I agree 100%. My thing is he's doing it from the field instead of going to the hole. Even Phil Chenier has made comments if he's struggling then you go for the higher % shot. Gil's game has changed significantly the last two years, he just doesn't go to the hole as much now as he used to.

"If his back is tight, can't he still play?"

Just like knees pray you never have back issues. Like my knees I've had a herniated disk before. I'll take my three knee surgeries over a back any day. The pain is killer, it's terrible.

From Mikes article today: "Jordan added that he wasn't certain if Butler's injury is more serious than diagnosed."

I hope Caron doesn't have what Songaila had or he's done for the year. Good thing is Jamison will be back soon. Blatche will most likely get more playing time in Caron's place I'm thinking....BUT....Hayes played 41 minutes last night. Your all's guess is as good as mine.

The WORST thing they could do right now is rush Jamison back. We'll see.

Personally I'd still start Booth and Blatche as fowards but clearly Jordan doesn't agree with me. ;)

I think the Wiz lose tonight against Miami. :(

- Ray

Posted by: Ray | February 28, 2007 11:38 AM

What a horrible website!! I hope the Wizards don't read these posts. Someone told me about this site, but, I had to see for myself. Absolutely Abysmal!

Posted by: Anonymous | February 28, 2007 11:40 AM

The funniest thing Eddie said was this:

"Coach Eddie Jordan was asked how his team was going to make up for the absence of Antawn Jamison and Caron Butler on Tuesday night against the New Jersey Nets.

"We're going to try to play defense," Jordan said, looking around before placing his index finger at his lips. "Shhh.""

I guess that memo was never passed around.

Posted by: Gack | February 28, 2007 1:01 PM

"We're going to try to play defense"

That's funny considering Jordan doesn't know how to coach it. He can say what he wants, but when you see so much "smallball" after a while you stop believing him.

Teams always take on the personality of thier coach and this one doesn't play defense.

- Ray

Posted by: Ray | February 28, 2007 1:37 PM

"Someone told me about this site, but, I had to see for myself. Absolutely Abysmal!"

Who?

Jarvis Hayes?

;)

- Ray

Posted by: Ray | February 28, 2007 1:49 PM

Did someone feed Ray a cracker?

"Squawk! Smallball, smallball! EJ sucks! EJ sucks! Squawk!"

Posted by: burke | February 28, 2007 2:35 PM

from the sportsbog per ivan carter:

Lang cut, mike hall in

Posted by: hmmmmm | February 28, 2007 3:48 PM

"Lang cut, mike hall in"

Yeah, I saw that. It's not like they were using Lang anyway.

"Did someone feed Ray a cracker?"

No, but I just ate some Popeye's chicken. :)

Hope the Wiz win, we'll see.

- Ray

Posted by: Ray | February 28, 2007 6:57 PM

Well, Gilbert is officially absolutely stinking the joint up! What's his excuse? He drew all kinds of attention to himself early in the season, but I don't see too much stand up behavior from him now. He needs to say I've been stinking or it's my fault or I need to try and make the game easier for my teammates. Something! It's easy to see why he is not the leader of the team.

Where is EJ's flowing ball movement based offense???? It looks like a series of jacked up one on one plays to me. I love Hayes of all people taking the "clutch" shots at the end of the game - shocked that did not turn out positive. The ONLY player on the team right now that when he shoots I feel like it is good is MASON.

I see a very disjointed team right now. The offensive players don't play a lick of defense and the defensive players don't play a lick of offense. Odd combo. And, perhaps, a big reason for a lack of ball movement almost the entire season is this team does not have a single player that is an above average passer. Hell, Shaq would be the best passer on this team. The flaws some of the faithful bloggers have been constructively pointing out all year are in full effect now. This sure is no fun to watch!!!! Bad Bad Basketball!

Posted by: Rob P | February 28, 2007 9:36 PM

Rob P,

When the team is missing two of it's best players, what do you really expect?

Posted by: Lisa | February 28, 2007 10:49 PM

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