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Hayes out, Butler may make the trip

Jarvis Hayes is a late scratch with a sprained right foot. He picked up the injury during last night's loss at Portland. Also, Coach Eddie Jordan stopped short of confirming that Caron Butler will fly out and join the team in the Bay Area tomorrow but when I asked him if there's a chance that Caron could play before the trip ends at Utah Tuesday night he said: "Yes. There's a chance."

Ray Allen is out. All together now: Uh oh!!!!!

By Ivan Carter  |  March 21, 2007; 10:00 PM ET
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Ray Allen out?!?

Aw $#&%!!

Posted by: iceberg | March 21, 2007 10:19 PM | Report abuse

Is it too early to call this a must-win for the Wizards?

Posted by: George Templeton | March 21, 2007 10:26 PM | Report abuse

Should be a no excuses blowout win tonight, although it's close in the 1st quarter right now. Not having Zach Randolph is not the same as not having Ray Allen, a perennial all-star. Probably won't stay up for this one though.

Posted by: DC Man88 | March 21, 2007 10:27 PM | Report abuse

Ivan, were you able to ask EJ about Hayes' playing time like you said you would in the chat? :) Curious to hear what his rationale was.

Bulletproof playing really well so far.

Man, do I ever covet Chris Wilcox. That putback slam is the kind of thing we NEVER see the Wiz do.

Still drives me nuts to think how much he would have helped the Terps had he stayed.

Posted by: Gack | March 21, 2007 10:38 PM | Report abuse

Yes this is a must win.

Watching Blatche makes me wonder what EJ is doing not giving him at least 20 minutes/night. Blatche is special.

Posted by: JJ | March 21, 2007 10:48 PM | Report abuse

Caron is flying out to join the squad in San Francisco tomorrow but I still don't know when or if he'd play before the trip is over.

Posted by: Ivan | March 21, 2007 11:11 PM | Report abuse

Well it is halftime and like I expected it is a Wilcox dunkfest. An injury to 'Arvis forced that EJ's hand again. Songalia is great on offense but has no quickness on D. Only Blache has a chance against Wilcox. If Gilbert stays hot we could win. But another loss would not surprise me despite being up at half.

Posted by: BmoreRev | March 21, 2007 11:18 PM | Report abuse

It's killing me I can't see the game because I am out of state! I never miss the Wizards!

I missed the last game so what can I say... but seems to me the loss goes to Gil with his 50pt prediction and poor shooting %, but hard to blame Gil when he certainly is responsible for plenty of wins this season.

I don't understand why Jarvis gets so much run. I know Eddie expects him to come around, but he has just been bad this season. Jarvis has been a bad shooter, and throws up air balls. IMO both Blatche and Mason have earned pt and have outplayed Hayes. I know he has come back from injury etc, but look at how Songaila's game has come around after missing all season with back surgery. Jarvis should be coming around by now, and he's not. With the playoffs around the corner, I think his time is up. He's certainly had plenty of opportunity.

Once healthy, we should be using Caron and Jamison at SF, and open more pt at PF for Blatche and Darius. I'd still put Ruffin on inactive with Hall and Taylor, because I think he has been beat out by Blatche and Booth. I don't like Ruffin at Center at all which is where he usually plays. Blatche is a better option there. Even Jamison at C I can understand in instances where we are down by 20 and we need to run n gun to get back in it. But I can't think of any scenario where Ruffin at C makes sense. I'd rather see Haywood, Etan, Booth, Blatche, Songaila, or even Jamison or Caron at Center instead of Ruffin.

The rotation should be something like this:

C: Haywood, Etan, Blatche(smallball)
PF: Jamison, Songaila, Blatche
SF: Caron, Jamison, Hayes
SG: Stevenson, Mason, Daniels
PG: Arenas, Daniels
12th man: Booth (added depth and 6 more fouls at C and PF)

Posted by: Darnell | March 21, 2007 11:20 PM | Report abuse

The hibachi is heating up. Two straight three and 27 points with 8:08 left in the third.

Posted by: Ivan | March 21, 2007 11:29 PM | Report abuse

yes he is but can he overshadow what Lewis and Wilcox are doing down low? I hope so but I don't think so. We'll see.

Posted by: Bmore Rev | March 21, 2007 11:37 PM | Report abuse

Seriously. Nobody on our squad can shoot besides Gilbert. And when Gil's cold, it's basically over.

Roger seems to have reverted back to the mad bomber. :(

And can anybody on this team box out? Good lord, 17 rebounds for Wilcox?!?

Posted by: Gack | March 21, 2007 11:48 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and I'm officially on the "release AD" bus as of right now. I don't know what happened to dude, but he has lost absolutely all mojo.

Posted by: Gack | March 21, 2007 11:49 PM | Report abuse

I was about to praise Ruffin for that big block but then he fouls with 10 seconds left and the game is tied @!#%#@%@! Watching the game on CBS Sportsline is excrutiating!

Posted by: George Templeton | March 22, 2007 12:30 AM | Report abuse

This team is going to give me a freaking heart condition. Good grits and gravy.

Posted by: Gack | March 22, 2007 12:31 AM | Report abuse

George -- that foul wasn't really on Ruffin, the entire team, as usual, allowed the ball handler to penetrate at will and Ruffin tried to take a charge, he just didn't get there quite quick enough.

OTOH, that block looked like it could have been a foul, so it's not like I'm ready to hand out too much praise to the Ruffian.

Posted by: Gack | March 22, 2007 12:33 AM | Report abuse

Well that is what happens when you have to watch the game on the Internet. And I just saw the replay and you were right it looked like Ruffin fouled.
But who cares because Gilbert won it at the buzzer again! HALLELUJAH!!!!!!!!! Sweet relief! That might have been a lucky shot, but that's fine. Hopefully this will ignite Gilbert on a hot streak! It feels good that they won.

Posted by: George Templeton | March 22, 2007 12:36 AM | Report abuse

Well, Phil just said something very true. He felt that Gilbert was very professional in addressing the media after last night's loss and took the blame for the bad shot at the buzzer, so for him to come out and drop 40 tonight AND hit the game winner, speaks volumes.

We absolutely have got to do something about our utter disregard for defense and basic fundamentals. We got outrebounded by TWENTY! That's FREAKING INSANE!!! It ought to be a point of professional pride to not let that kind of crap happen!!

Posted by: Gack | March 22, 2007 12:45 AM | Report abuse

Right and right on both accounts. As for the rebounding, it is about effort and fundamentals and we don't see a lot of that from the Wizards when they aren't on the offensive end. Washington is outrebounded by 1.70 per game, 22nd in the NBA.

Posted by: George Templeton | March 22, 2007 12:49 AM | Report abuse

Bulletproof: 6-8 for 12pts, 7reb, 4ast and a block in 32 minutes.

Posted by: Gack | March 22, 2007 12:53 AM | Report abuse

But probably the best stats of the season are these:

Minutes Played:
C.Booth 7
E.Thomas 7
M.Ruffin 5
J.Hayes 0

Posted by: Gack | March 22, 2007 12:55 AM | Report abuse

Well Gack to quote one of my best friends from college. Sometimes injuries help (no Arvis). And yes I would be thrilled if that is all the minutes per game those other guys get for the rest of the year.

Posted by: George Templeton | March 22, 2007 12:58 AM | Report abuse

Dagger! Agent 0 redeems himself!

Posted by: PTP23 | March 22, 2007 1:06 AM | Report abuse






Posted by: Anonymous | March 22, 2007 1:24 AM | Report abuse

Oh boy. Stayed up and watched the game despite my intention to go to bed early. This game was way harder than it should have been, but Wilcox had a monster night. I'm a Terp alum, and love the guy, but never knew he had that in him. Either that, or our defense is way way way bad.

Games Notes:

* Points in the paint discrepancy killed Les BouleS. Sonics got 20 more rebs and 11 more offensive rebs! But, Les BouleS took care of the ball better this time.

* Les BouleS nearly lost if not for Gilby's last second shot. People who are hammering Jarvis can't blame him because this game was close again.

* Deshawn Stevenson (1-7, 2 pts, 1 reb, 1 steal) the "defensive stopper" that was brought on, basically "oh-layed" Ridnour on several plays. I couldn't believe my eyes.

* Blatche stepped up on D and had a great game, although it was against a traditionally soft west coast team. Still worry about the guy when he has to bang against Shaq, Zo, Ben, etc. He got more PT b/c Jarvis was out. Hope he built some more trust with EJ.

* A huge reason why Les BouleS were still in the game at the end was b/c Ray Allen was out. Otherwise, Rashard Lewis would not have been forced to improvise shots at the end. Ray would have had the ball in his hands which probably would have opened up the inside for them. Good thing Les BouleS took advantage of this with a win. Ray is probably out for the rest of this season due to bone spurs in his ankles.

* It's a tossup. Hibachi was on towards the end of the game, but the last few possessions turned into no pass, "Gilbert got the ball and will shoot" possessions. That's why it was closer than it should have been. Jamison was a nonfactor at the end.

Gilby is clearly a set shooter/drive to the hole layup guy. He needs to work on his midrange game, or curls around pick game.

* Darius was clutch in this game with his shooting (5-7) and savvy. If not for Darius, I think it wouldn't have been close at the end. We have no other banger that's consistent with their J.

* Instead of one on one defense, Seattle should have played a Zone to prevent the penetration and/or the dish.

* Seattle is a 26-41 (.388) team. Let's hope Les BouleS don't start getting giddy already after this win. Much more work to be done.

Posted by: DC Man88 | March 22, 2007 7:30 AM | Report abuse

SWDAGGERRRRRRRRRR...........!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What a way to get the swag back! 42 points and the game winner! Way to go Gil!
I also think one of the most impressive things about Gil was the way he handled it after the loss to Portland. He could of gone and hid in the training room. Lots of guys do. But he answered the reporters questions AND went out and signed autographs after a night when he put up a clunker of a performance. AND Then he comes out the next night and puts up a great performance the next night and the SWDAGGER at the end....!!!!!

Posted by: GM | March 22, 2007 7:32 AM | Report abuse

Well, Arenas does it again. Bails us out. But can anyone really think we will make any noise with our pitiful defense? We get beat off the dribble regularly, we don't protect the paint and we never box out. It is at the point now that you sit there and don't expect to see any D from us. Wilcox, Collison and Lewis are not the dream team. But against us...everybody is.

The only hopeful thing I saw was that EJ's substitutions seemed to make since for once. He allowed Blatche to play despite some mistakes and got good production from him. Same for Songalia who was poor matchup against the Sonic forwards. He used Mason well. He didn't go overboard with Ruffin but used him in key defensive spots. This was the first time that I actually watched a game this year and actually agreed with most of the substitutions. It is amazing that it is only injuries that again cause Coach Jordan to make wise decisions.

A key statement by Arenas was when he told
Buck and Phil that on the last play he knew he had to finish the play because he couldn't expect to get the call. All night, in fact like most of the season, he was again spending more time lobbying with the refs rather than focusing on the next play. Yes, there were a few horrible calls but that is life in the NBA. And he gets some calls now in his favor also. He needs to focus on the game and not on the refs.

Well, we won, but I don't anticipate getting on a roll. Without Tough Juice we are clearly on life support.

Posted by: BmoreRev | March 22, 2007 8:56 AM | Report abuse

I think the philosophy of this team has not changed much since the start of this season, and that is "we sure as heck aren't going to stop anyone, so we'd better hope our shot is falling and win that way. Defense by offense." Jarvis was out of the game, so EJ had to keep Blatche in there longer. Jarvis might get back into the rotation once he gets healthy again.

Posted by: DC Man88 | March 22, 2007 9:20 AM | Report abuse

BTW, anybody who doesn't think Gilbert bailed us out last night should take a long, hard look at the box score and look at the shooting percentages of nearly every other player on the floor wearing blue. With the exception of Bulletproof and D-Song (and to a lesser degree BTH), every other Wizards player was shooting horrendously low percentage.

D-Steve was 1-7. Twan had 20 points but chucked up so many shots to get those 20 that he finished shooting 33% FG and 30% behind the arc. Mason was 1-6 I believe. AD took some shots he should be benched for. Ended up 2-7 I believe.

Even though we finished the game shooting 44%, most of this team couldn't hit anything outside of the lane last night. That ought to be the biggest concern of all -- when you run a fun and gun offense and don't bother with D, you'd damn well better be able to shoot!

Posted by: Gack | March 22, 2007 9:25 AM | Report abuse

Gack, 3 of the 4 of the guys you mentioned are at the ends of their contracts. I'll be surprised if EG will be real willing to bring them all back no matter how much certain players seem to be EJ favorites.
Last night's game again showed the need for a 4 that can give you post play at both ends. Blatch is got to learn that this isn't High School or Summer League. You can't depend on out jumping your guy for the ball, you got to find him and tie him up. Butler is our best guy at finding a man and boxing out. We gave up way too many offensive putbacks last night.
Will Songalia getting healthy fill that role off the bench? Possibly, but I look for EG to be looking to make a move there in the off season. Boy, Wilcox could look sweet here, he could slide between both center and power forward and fill a real need for rebounding, quickness and physical play.
One other thing about Songalia, since he is only less that 5 months removed from back surgery, I'd agree he's only about 75 %, but the first game after a 5 hr. flight he's going to be less than that. I've had two back operations and it takes a couple of days after a flight to get it to loosen up. Songalia looked much better last night.
This team is still a work in progress with what is here today I've got to agree with Darnell's take on how to deploy them. But I'm really looking for EG to be active in continuing to build this off season. We may even have to give up a major player to get one that fits our needs to take another step forward.

Posted by: GM | March 22, 2007 9:28 AM | Report abuse

Gack, I was talking about your earlier post with Etan, Jarvis, Ruffin, and Booth's playing time last night.

Posted by: GM | March 22, 2007 9:31 AM | Report abuse

Does anyone think that as Wizards fans we should actually be rooting for Miami to keep winning at this point?

Here's how I look at it:

Detroit or Cleveland is most likely going to be the #1 seed. Wiz and Heat have an outside chance of catching Cleveland for #2 (3 and 3.5 games back respectively, with around 14-16 games left to play), for now let's assume that the Cavs hold on to #2. Heat are 6.5 games ahead of 7th, so 7th and 8th seeds are out for Heat and Wiz, barring an epic collapse.

That leaves seeds 3, 4, 5 and 6. I assume that Wiz fans don't want their team to face the Heat in the first round. With the Atlantic division winner, almost certainly Toronto at this point, guaranteed no worse than a 4 seed, there seems to be only 2 ways that the Wiz avoind Miami in round 1: first, Toronto goes on a tear, both Miami and Washington struggle, and the Wizards end up with the 4th seed (but not home court advantage) against Chicago or the 6th seed against Toronto as the 3rd seed. With the way Miami has been playing, it seems unlikely to me that they will finish behind both Toronto and Chicago, which this scenario requires. The second possibility is that the Wizards and Heat both play well and both pass Chicago (or better yet, either or both pass the Cavs). If both Miami and Washington beat out the Bulls, then it is highly unlikely that they will meet in the first round, even if Miami wins the division, it is quite likely that the Wizards will have home court advantage in round 1, regardless of whether they win the division, and it is unlikely that the Wizards would have to play the Heat in round 2.

The remaining possibilities are (1) that the Wizards hold off the Heat, the Heat cruise the last week or two of the season, and the standings remain as they are today, or (2) the Heat catch the Wizards, but the Wizards do not beat out the Bulls for the 5th seed. The latter being the worst case scenario.

So as much as I'd like the Wizards to win the division, I think it might be best for the Heat to continue winning. We don't want them to be the 6th seed (unless the Wizards manage to catch Cleveland for the 2 seed or Toronto manages to grab the 3 seed).

Posted by: AC | March 22, 2007 10:12 AM | Report abuse

GM, I loved Buck and Phil's comments about Gil as well. Addressing the media and taking all their questions after the Portland debaucle....and then signing about 50 autographs before getting on the bus speaks volumes about his character. Yes, he may act crazy and make insane predictions but so does Chad Johnson with the NFL Bengals and everyone enjoys his antics.

As to AC's question....I don't see Miami losing another game...their schedule is just too soft.

Posted by: Lisa | March 22, 2007 10:26 AM | Report abuse

It was great seeing Songaila contribute more last night. But 30 mins was maybe too much for now.

Posted by: rickgonz | March 22, 2007 10:40 AM | Report abuse

With CB out, a win is a win, and on top of that it was a fun, tho frustrating game to watch. The two offensive rebound/three shot possession by Seattle with about a minute left made me ill, but hey we pulled it off.

I think it is fair to start looking at the seeds and where things measure out. It does look like Miami has an easy schedule, but ours is pretty soft too - after this road trip we will have 13 games left, of which 6 are on the road. We play only four teams with a winning record (toronto, chicago, cleveland, and miami) and all of those but the miami game are at home. We get charlotte twice, a beat up milwaukee team, philly, atlanta, nj twice (the two games with NJ will be CRUCIAL), etc. In other words, vegas will probably have the Wiz as a favorite in EVERY game but one (Miami). Vegas is often wrong, but bottom line is that 12 out of last 13 games we SHOULD win. We won't obviously, but very feasible to go 9-4 in that stretch. The stretch might also let EJ rest his key players a bit.

In terms of matchups, if this team is focused and playing hard, there isn't a team in the East we can't compete with. I think Miami will be hamstrung with a tentative Wade. Cleveland is a bunch of individuals and not a team. Toronto is young and with no playoff experience they will have trouble adjusting. Chicago won't kill us on the boards. Net net - we have a good shot to beat any of those teams, especially since, notwithstanding the struggles we have had in the playoffs in the last two years, the Wiz haven't gotten blow out in any game in any of the three series. If we can stick around in a game, we can win.

Caron getting on a plane and going to the west coast is a BAD idea. Let him heal up.

Antawn was leaving them short last night - hope his legs are all right.

Posted by: charles jones | March 22, 2007 10:50 AM | Report abuse

Glad for the win last night, but it should not have come to that. I turned the game off at halftime saying, "Could SOMEONE put a body on Chris Wilcox?" A double-double in a half (even with 3 fouls)?

I think the Wizards need three D's:
Defensive intensity -- 'nuff said.
Driving to the basket -- get high-percentage shots and free throws; and
Dishing the ball -- all the driving would cause the defenses to collapse, opening up the outside for the jumpshooters who aren't struggling.

All this talk about playoff positioning is unnecessary. The Wizards are only three games behind Cleveland for the 2 spot with 16 regular season games left. They should focus on catching the Cavs, and the longer home-court advantage for the duration of the playoffs that goes with it, instead of "letting" Miami overtake them. This ain't time for the Rope-a-Dope.

I want to really feel confident about the Wizards going down the stretch. So why am I perpetually reaching for the Maalox when I watch 'em play?

Posted by: iceberg | March 22, 2007 10:53 AM | Report abuse

charles jones mentioned "a beat-up Milwaukee team" -- Andrew Bogut and Charlie Villanueva are out for the rest of the season.

Uh-oh. Guess that means Ruben Patterson and Michael Redd will each go for 70 when we meet them, at the rate these guys are playing.

Posted by: iceberg | March 22, 2007 10:59 AM | Report abuse

I don't think anybody ever questioned Gilby's character, with regard to him not taking ownership for his actions/predictions. The problem is that his actions and self promotion/self interest have had a detrimental affect on the team at times. He's played a huge part in the team's success, but also a big part in the team's shortcomings.

He needs to put team first. Anyone who disagrees needs to reference EJ's comments after the Portland game, or Caron's comment about listening to the coach and following the gameplan.

PS. Signing autographs serves to further promote his image, which is his intention. Anybody see his online commercial yet with Adidas? EVERYBODY already knows about your history Gilby! It's played out now. Move on. Just play ball, cut the BS, and win games.

Posted by: DC Man88 | March 22, 2007 11:00 AM | Report abuse

There you just can't resist taking another stab at Gilbert.

In your own words "It's played out now. Move on."

Posted by: Lisa | March 22, 2007 11:37 AM | Report abuse

The truth hurts baby. We also don't need to keep hearing how wonderful he is.

PS. If Caron decides to join them on the road trip, Abe better charter him a jet, or his back will act up again when he's given the middle seat flying coach with a 2 hour layover in Dallas.

Posted by: DC Man88 | March 22, 2007 11:59 AM | Report abuse

Get over yourself....

Posted by: Lisa | March 22, 2007 12:19 PM | Report abuse

I agree with iceberg, the Wizards need to focus on the best positioning they can get in the East. And we as fans and they as players have to stop cowering in fear everytime the Heat or possiblility of playing them arises. They may not ready to be an elite team yet, but if they are ever going to be one, they are going to have to confront their Miami Heat hex and break it.

Posted by: George Templeton | March 22, 2007 12:21 PM | Report abuse

As an ex-DC Wiz fan now back in Portland, I support both Wiz and Blazers. I sd before Blazer game in blog that Wiz should walk over Blazers, who were awful in their last game: an ugly loss to Sonics. Sonics pounded Blazers by nearly 20 points-- with Randolph and Ray Allen both playing for their teams-- the same Sonics team that Wiz barely beat last night.

In Blazer game vs Wiz, average age of Blazer team on court in second half was 21-- yes 21, but they played loose and happy. Local TV guys opined after game that coach McMillan told team just to play and have a good time. FYI: Local Portland TV news gave Gilert high marks for stepping up and accepting criticism of his poor play.

How about Brandon Roy as Rookie of the Year? Mostly smart decisions all year. And Aldridge stepped up, as did fellow rookie Sergio. Sergio plays like he has had way too much caffeine. Webster is only two years out of his Seattle high school, but he contributed to Blazer victory. I expected Wiz to run wild and run up a big score. Yes, Blazers were pumped up to slow down Gilbert, but I thought all others would have career nights.

Seemed that Sonics game was closer to typical Wiz game. Maybe formula to beat/nearly beat Wiz is for opponent to bench or rest their biggest star, and then watch Wiz struggle.

Posted by: blazers-of-old | March 22, 2007 12:22 PM | Report abuse

If you havent read Gil's latest blog entry, read it NOW. Its kind of rambling, but its great. He writes some pretty incredible stuff in it.

Posted by: the cheat | March 22, 2007 12:22 PM | Report abuse

Get over Gilby! :D

Posted by: DC Man88 | March 22, 2007 12:24 PM | Report abuse

"...the same Sonics team that Wiz barely beat last night."


Sonics were without Ray Allen last night. He's probably done for the season with bone spurs in his ankle.

Posted by: DC Man88 | March 22, 2007 12:27 PM | Report abuse

Funny thing happened last night. Right after he hit the game winner, Gilby took off his jersey and draped it in the middle of the court. He said he was expecting fans to storm the court and grab it, but since there were no takers, he laughed and said it probably would have been more effective had he done it at home.

hahahaha...can this guy be more full of himself or what?

Posted by: DC Man88 | March 22, 2007 12:32 PM | Report abuse

DCMan -- Gilbert's story is not played out, as you claim. The ad is his first big national ad. I love that his story is reaching everyone -- he was a well kept until his explosion this December. Now people recognize just how good he is. Not heavily recruited by the big college schools, told he did not have much shot at AZ, drafted in the 2d round and now top 10-15 players in the league. That is an inspirational story -- nothing is impossible.

And you want to criticize him for signing autographs. Get a grip -- Gil is fan-friendly and entertaining. Stop your jealousy. He's the best thing to happen to DC sports in a long time.

Gilbert has run his mouth too much lately. That I will agree with but that is also Gilbert being Gilbert. Its who he is. He's a goof, who likes to say odd things. As for self promotion -- find me a superstar athlete that does not self promote. Their image is worth tens of millions of dollars -- for that kind of jack, I would be trying to get my name out there as much as possible to. Shaq has made 2 or 3 terrible movies about personas he created -- that's self promotion.

Posted by: Chad | March 22, 2007 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Amen, Chad. And his latest blog entry is great....

No matter what some people (well, one person) on here may think, Gil is a dedicated player who studies the game, practices hard, and gives it his all. And he is enjoying himself while doing it...and most of us enjoy it as well. So until YOU (you know who you are) dedicate yourself (in whatever your job may be - if you even have one) to the extent that he does, stop your bashing. If you don't like Gil...the face of our franchise...don't watch.

Posted by: Lisa | March 22, 2007 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Ugggh, I agree with blogger man88.
He's been "on the money" with Arenas as the self-promo thing and the analysis.

The guy is sickening - almost NARCISSTIC!!

Can't he just focus on the game? His team is struggling to beat a .388 team!! What's wrong with this picture?

Eddie Jordan was STILL visably pissed!

Its even more maddening - you folks are "admiring how he answered the game analysts? What do you you think a self-promoting guy would do but cheese for the cameras? Everything Arenas does is self promo. Does he ever in an interview bring up the play of his teammates? NAAAAAAAAAAH

This was not a stellar game by any means.

They sadly escaped!!

Posted by: cakes | March 22, 2007 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Gack, I'm with you about Wilcox!!

A beast! Reminds me of Amare!

He left Maryland early & has grown since leaving the Clips. Can we get one like that? 27 pts 21 rebounds 2 assists 9 blocks? I think he had a couple of steals?

Heeeee owwww!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: robin | March 22, 2007 1:23 PM | Report abuse

That blog posting was phenomenal. Gilbert continues to amaze me. He has more heart in his little finger than DCMan 88 has in his whole body.

What everyone fails to realize is that the self-promotion helps the wizards get more calls. Gilbert gets tons of free throws, including the 3 to win the game, because of the fact that he is becoming a superstar.

Posted by: Andrew | March 22, 2007 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Good point. Maybe people outside of this area have never heard his story before, but his story though, is not unique.

He got a full scholarship to Arizona, didn't do much at Arizona, and then left 2 years early. Last I checked, Arizona was a basketball powerhouse with Lute Olson.

The men's basketball team has been one of the nation's most successful programs since Lute Olson was hired as head coach in 1983. As of 2007, the team has amassed 20 consecutive 20-win seasons, and reached the NCAA Tournament 23 consecutive years, which is the longest currently active streak. Lute Olson has taken the Wildcats to the Final Four of the NCAA tournament in 1988, 1994, 1997, and 2001. In 1997, Arizona defeated the University of Kentucky, the defending national champions, to win the NCAA National Championship. Prior to winning the championship in 1997, UA won a thriller game in the Elite Eight in double overtime to take them to the Final Four (NCAA Men's Division I Basketball Championship).


Then he was drafted in the second round of the NBA. How many ballers in America can claim that? A free ride in a major Div. 1 program, and drafted in the NBA? Maybe if he had proved himself more at Arizona, he would have been drafted higher.

Look at Juan Dixon. Both his parents died of AIDs, he wasn't recruited heavily by major schools, and UMd never won a championship before he arrived. Has Juan ever used that excuse as a crutch?

Juan finished college at UMd and won a national championship where he was the most valuable. Maybe if Gilby did more in college, he would have reaped more accolades, gotten drafted higher, and then we wouldn't be subjected to this story 5+ seasons into his NBA career still.

I think Gilby is try to parallel the lack of love he received from his mother, to the perceived lack of love he's getting from fans, nba, companies, endorsements, etc. He's using the NBA as his medium to cry out to her. I just hope he reconciles with her before it's too late, and hopefully he'll be more involved with his children and their mother.

Keep in mind people, he's not a homeless man eating out of a can and playing hoops at Barry Farms. He's a multimillionaire professional athlete who shows up at Barry Farms in his Ferrari. Can't really feel too bad for him.

All in all, Gilby's act would probably be more tolerable if he was more a team player rather than a "me" player.

Posted by: DC Man88 | March 22, 2007 1:46 PM | Report abuse

DC Man,

Can you give me detailed description of what its like to piss into the wind?


Posted by: the cheat | March 22, 2007 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Isn't it funny/sad how a discussion about the Wizards and Agent Gilby always results to personal attacks by frustrated posters who can't use facts to back up their arguments? Here's an excerpt from the "brilliant" Andrew:

"He has more heart in his little finger than DCMan 88 has in his whole body."

Really profound Andrew. Now if I were to say something like that, people would be crying that I'm out of line with a personal attack.

Posted by: DC Man88 | March 22, 2007 1:54 PM | Report abuse

the cheat,

Ask your mom, she's into golden showers.


Posted by: DC Man88 | March 22, 2007 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Personal attacks? I think you're the one who disparaged my mom.

Actually, my comment wasnt a personal attack. Maybe you didnt get it. It was analogy about your long winded posts about Gilbert.

I never said you liked pissing on yourself. I was simply making a point. If you didnt get it, its on you.

Posted by: the cheat | March 22, 2007 2:00 PM | Report abuse


Wiz lose it because of Hayes.

Wiz win it because of Gilbert.

Must be nice to be the King. You get all the credit and none of the blame.

You all must be redskins season ticket holder with that type of logic.

Of course the loss in Portland would not have anything to do with Gilbert shooting 25% from the field.

They are scraping by piss poor teams. Better hope Butler back soon or all of your 4-1 and 3-2 predictions for the road trip will look foolish.

Posted by: dc | March 22, 2007 2:03 PM | Report abuse

And DC, super classy going after my mom first. I always felt that in online BS blog trash talk, its best to go after the person first and save the mom stuff once you have more material on the person you are trying to trash.

Its all good though. My mom if fair game I guess.

Posted by: the cheat | March 22, 2007 2:07 PM | Report abuse

I think your post directed at me served no purpose whatsoever. My "long winded posts" were in response to people who made statements without any factual basis.

BS Statement: didn't get love coming out of high school.
True Statement: got a full ride at ARIZONA!

BS Statement: nobody thought I could do anything in college or coming out of college, that's why I was drafted in the second round.
True Statement: WTF did you do at Arizona? How many NCAA championships did you win?

I got your post very clearly, but some here, who aren't blinded by Gilby, aren't Gilby apologists, and appreciate team basketball, are tired of his act too. Caron and EJ are tired too.

We just want to see good team basketball, not individual drama. Gilby is a self promoter, and admitted it so in his "coming out party," and his "look at my picture on the side of the building" news conference. That's just the reality of the fact.

Posted by: DC Man88 | March 22, 2007 2:16 PM | Report abuse

the cheat,

Are you new here, or are you posting as someone else? Never heard of you, but many people here post with many different names, and some here post with other people's names.

Posted by: DC Man88 | March 22, 2007 2:18 PM | Report abuse

DCMan - Are you a mole on the wizards staff? How do you know Caron and EJ are tired of gilbert's antics? Or are you just making things up?

EJ should love Gilbert because Gil constantly saves him with last second shots.

It's not a personal attack, it's a fact. DCMan, you are a hater who has constant negativity in all of your posts because you don't have heart. Gilbert has made something of himself, and done what no one else has done in the history of the NBA by putting together a blog to discuss all of his internal thoughts. He deserves credit for that.

Posted by: Andrew | March 22, 2007 2:32 PM | Report abuse

I caught the first quarter then fell asleep but woke up just in time to see Gil make that final shot.

What did I miss??? :)

More importantly why was that game so close? :/

Those late games are killer especially after you've worked all darn day.

A win is a win I guess.

"...he was again spending more time lobbying with the refs rather than focusing on the next play."

I agree Rev, that's my only problem with Gil. He loses focus too easily.

- Ray

Posted by: Ray | March 22, 2007 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Andrew, you must not read much or see any post game interviews. If you had, you would have seen and read the quote where Caron said he was fed up with people trying to be a hero, and that this team needs to listen to the coach and follow the game plan. After the Portland game, EJ was incensed and said that Gilby's 50 pt. prediction gave Portland added incentive, twice, to beat Les BouleS, which made it harder for everyone.

"EJ should love Gilbert because Gil constantly saves him with last second shots."

First in the division team shouldn't have to be worrying all the time about last minute heroics. Teams like the Sonics and Blazers should be BLOWN OUT the door.

"It's not a personal attack, it's a fact. DCMan, you are a hater who has constant negativity in all of your posts because you don't have heart."

What are you? What does heart have to do with anything on this blog? If I didn't have heart, and even patience, would I even bother to respond to you?

Read my second post on this blog. It's an even keeled assestment of last night's game and did not blast or hate on anyone. Only when the Gilby bloggers got on and were heaping praise on a guy who made a last second shot against a team we should have beaten easily did I attempt to correct them with facts. This blog will get out of hand with Gilby apologists if an even keeled viewpoint isn't given.

"Gilbert has made something of himself, and done what no one else has done in the history of the NBA by putting together a blog to discuss all of his internal thoughts. He deserves credit for that."

What in g#ds name does putting together a blog have to do with basketball? I did not blast his blog!!! Who cares about his blog?!?!

Posted by: DC Man88 | March 22, 2007 2:47 PM | Report abuse


Of course I read all the quotes, but how does a few comments prove they are FED UP with Gilbert? Does it make sense for Caron and EJ to hate the best player on the team? NO! They know Gilbert isn't perfect but they know he is a big part of their success and they just want him to improve in certain areas. He's only 25!

How is it even-keeled when you criticize Gilbert's midrange game after he goes for 42 points and the game winner? It doesn't make any sense! I've been reading your posts all year and I am fed up with you!

Posted by: Andrew | March 22, 2007 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Funny thing is as a former twerp I look at Gil's demeanor on the negative even while everyone including his teamates see it as just quirky. Yeah, I sniff the locker room prior,during & after the game for this type of insight. Even confronted with their actions, I still say the team dislikes Gil's demeanor.
That's my twerps edu for ya. phd right there.

I guess that's why I still sleep in my mom's bed last night cause I was scared Les Boules (spelled wrong again cause of my twerps worldliness) were going to blow another one.

Apparently, I've played in the association and know for a fact that other teams don't show up every night AND that's why "Teams like the Sonics and Blazers should be BLOWN OUT the door" even though both teams have awfully close loss points differentials.

All that time on the net in my Mom's room... must have missed that.

Posted by: DC Man88 | March 22, 2007 3:06 PM | Report abuse

For those who think the Wizards should win every game by 30 points...I'm glad to see the Wizards have entered the Redskins zone with their fans. I've been a Wizards fans my whole life and remember all those great Bullets teams in the early 90s who went 20-60 every year. ANY WIN ON THE ROAD IS A GOOD WIN. Remember, the wizards are a 12-20 team on the road, so it's moronic to complain that they didn't beat the Sonics by 30 points.

Posted by: Andrew | March 22, 2007 3:06 PM | Report abuse

I also could care less about Mr. Arenas personal blog. Besides drawing further attention to himself - what purpose does it serve? The guy is a baskeball player for goodness sake! He's 26 yrs degree in anything - not a specialist in anything...hello????

This is scary? Do you have your kids get advice from some man on the internet?

Posted by: Fogle | March 22, 2007 3:08 PM | Report abuse

What is this post? The I hate the Wizards/Gilbert blog? I think I will continue to blog on the blog. On that blog, at least people can criticize without attacking the blogger or the player. Great article though Ivan.


Posted by: anonymous | March 22, 2007 3:19 PM | Report abuse


You don't have to read his blog. I don't know if you have heard of the internet before, but there are millions of blogs out there, and most are not from PHD's. They are not meant to give advice. They are for entertainment value. Gilbert goes out of his way to entertain his fans and he isn't an a-hole like most of the other superstars. I don't get why anyone can criticize that.

Posted by: Andrew | March 22, 2007 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Cheeez, I'm new to this area but this is the strangest blog I've ever seen.

Whats with you Gilbert Arenas loving people? That whole story is created to get him press. Ya gotta be a bunch of teens to buy all that stuff. I bet you guys also believe all the trash papers in the grocery store cuz its all the same.

So the guy is promoting himself - BIG HAIRY DEAL!!!

The question that should be before you D.C. Wizard's Fans is: What's happening to our team? Not Gilbert Arenas. He's bran washed you people!!

You've got a whole lot of important other players on that team that are doing their best to win games inspite of injuries and a star crazed point.

Try researching some low post players, Centers or perhaps a better bench scenario for your team. It would be a lot more productive than buying into Arenas koolaid experiment cus a number of you have already drunk the kookaid.

Posted by: Foster | March 22, 2007 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Gilbert hating galore. DC Man, I get some of your points, but you usually take things too far. Gilbert is a great player, hard worker, charismatic, and self promoting. He is a lot of things at once. Hmmmm, you could say the same about most athletes today and another one considered by most to be the best of all time - MJ. I think Gilbert distracts himself sometimes and gets caught up in situations such as his shoot out game in DC with Kobe, but overall he is a fan friendly charismatice likeable superstar who hopefully will mature enough to take this team to the FINALS. He's unquestionably the best player this franchise has had since Unseld and Hayes.

As far as seeding is concerned, right now the Wizards need to play one game at a time bc they can lose to any team in the league at the moment. Unless they somehow revert to December playing form, which I don't see happening, this team is one and done. EJ gets another year of first round playoff loss caliber play and then he is fired after next season. Hopefully, at that point with Gilbert being 28 and with some other help particularly up front, we grow to championship caliber.

Posted by: Rob P | March 22, 2007 3:31 PM | Report abuse


Poor Andrew!!!!!

I got some land in the middle of the Atlantic for you to buy!!!!!

Step this way...

What a crack up!!!!

Is this stuff about basketball??

No wonder the wizards are scrapin past loser teams...Do you know good basketball when you see it?

Posted by: fogle | March 22, 2007 3:44 PM | Report abuse

I mentioned on my first post here when I was 9 yrs. old I was part of a 4H choir that sang the National Anthem at a Bullets game at the old Baltimore Civic center.
I was lucky enough to see the great Earl "The Pearl" Monroe play in his rookie year. He won rookie of the year and was the talk of Pro Basketball because he had went to a small school and played for "Big House" Gaines and hadn't been as well known in college because I think Winston/Salem played a Division II schedule.
But anyway, before the game "Meadowlark Lemon of the Harlem Globe Trotters was there because they were in town. Jim McKay and the Wide World of Sports was there and they did a segment of Monroe and Lemon playing HORSE.
We were there early and on the floor to practice so they let us watch the filming and some of the older kids got to be be Ballboys. It was one of the greatest and funniest things I ever saw. When the segmant was on TV it was edited and it appeared that they never missed a shot. But in real life they missed more than a few.
But the two of them were amazing, both magicians with a ball. Lemon put up one shot, "Monroe asked where'd you learn that?" Lemon said, "never tried it before, just figured you couldn't do it." Monroe tried it and sank it on the second time than went to the other side and swished it with the other hand.
The segment went way over in filming, they had us lined up for the Anthem and the crowd had been filing in, so what started as two guys in an empty arena with some kids giggling and clapping ended with the Arena about 3/4's the way full, and roaring with every shot. They finished up shooting 1/2 court shots backwards over their heads. The both made one in about 3 or 4 attempts. Then Monroe stood backwards, threw the ball over his head bounced it at the foul line it went up hit the backboard and went in. Lemon cracked up and made a big production out of he'd had enough.
It aired a week later on Wide World of Sports and I saw it years later when McKay aired on of those "Best of" shows. He called it one of the funniest segments to shoot that they ever did. I've often thought as an adult how lucky I was to see that, at 9 I had know idea how really rare it was.
Monroe ran back to the dressing room was out on the Court warming up after we sang the National Anthem and after doing about 1 1/2 hr. shoot around came out and played and lead the team in scoring and a rare(that season) victory. They got Wes in the draft and they were in the playoffs the next year. Both guys are amoung the 50 greatest of the first 50 yrs of the NBA.
Gilbert Arenas reminds me of Earl back then, a man that is in complete awe of doing what he loves for a living and being a star and getting paid too. I think Gil is one of those guys that would be doing this even if he made next to nothing doing it.
You can say that signing autographs and greeting the fans is self serving. Try telling it to a 9 year old!

Posted by: GM | March 22, 2007 3:45 PM | Report abuse


Why don't you research punctuation and spelling? My post was in response to DCMan's unbridled hatred of Gilbert Arenas which he has been posting about for months. Of course I pay attention to the bench play and forwards but I didn't have anything to add to the excellent posters who comment on how Jarvis Hayes should sit more, Blatche and Haywood need to play more, and that Ruffin has looked out of place this year.

Posted by: Andrew | March 22, 2007 3:49 PM | Report abuse

I sniff crack that's why I think a millionaire not specializing in anything other than ball is a failure.

They don't teach how to be a success in college. But I sure learn alot about basketball & I don't notice that good teams like the Mavs & Phoenix also gets spanked on some nights also.

Yes I am a front runner esp anonymously on the net.

Posted by: fogle | March 22, 2007 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Well, here we go again. Someone else just made a post with my name again. Very sad that someone would have to resort to that because they just can't handle the points that I make.

In any regard, Andrew, you can believe what you want. I initially said Caron and EJ were "tired" of his antics. When you start getting on the camera and making the statements that you make, that's them expressing frustration. Otherwise, they would have kept it to themselves.

Posted by: DC Man88 | March 22, 2007 3:53 PM | Report abuse

ps: I also get the SD feed from comcast so I don't really get look into the locker room & see all of the team interpersonal interaction. I really am guessing tho.

fogle you suck!

Posted by: DC Man88 | March 22, 2007 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Just like within any other star system: MJ, Shaq, Kobe. It takes a certain coach to bring all the pieces together. EJ might not be the man for this team. So are you going to fire the coach or the playerS?

The clock is ticking on EJ starting now.

Posted by: Victor | March 22, 2007 4:01 PM | Report abuse

I think it is hilarious that DC Dude takes every little comment that a Wiz player or coach makes and twists it to mean that they don't like Gil or playing with him. Get real, DC Dude. Caron is friends with Gil as is the rest of the team.

What are you going to come up with when they make a comment about how great he is (which they have done)? Answer that one, smarty pants.

Posted by: Lisa | March 22, 2007 4:05 PM | Report abuse

DC Man88: you are a fool. Just because I criticize gilbert, doesn't give you the right to follow up my act, you homo! That's homogenize for all those easily offended.

Get a life! You faggle! Get some glasses to go with your SD comcast feed while your at it.

Your crappy maryland white cracking educated degree doesn't work in the real world. Why don't you come down to the ward here and let me teach you a few things about ballin.

Posted by: fogle | March 22, 2007 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Lisa, you need to get real. What is this BS about Caron and Gilby not being friends and not like playing with each other? Where did you pull that out of? Your grandmas?

Take the quotes from EJ and Caron as they are, at face value. It doesn't surprise me that you tried to downplay them, as even Ivan said EJ was fuming when he said that about Gilby after the Portland game.

Fogle = Fake DC Man88 = whomever else: You're a fool. Not worth responding to.

Posted by: DC Man88 | March 22, 2007 4:11 PM | Report abuse

"Fogle = Fake DC Man88 = whomever else: You're a fool. Not worth responding to."

You just did, you cracker faggle.

Posted by: fogle | March 22, 2007 4:19 PM | Report abuse

I justed pull out of my grandma's last night too Lisa!

Posted by: DC Man88 | March 22, 2007 4:20 PM | Report abuse

DC Dude, as much as you hate it, Caron and Gil are friends...and Deshawn and Gil are friends. EJ was upset with a lot of things after that he should have been - not just Gil.

Let's face it: If it were not for Gilbert we would not have made the playoffs the past two years or be heading there this season. So, please take your jealousy elsewhere.

Posted by: Lisa | March 22, 2007 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Ok strange people..stop using my name ilegally. I'll have to Michael Lee or Ivan Carter to bring this to halt.

Posted by: Fogle | March 22, 2007 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Its abviously this Andrew person..I will be forwarding this to WASHPOST.

Sincer Ivan does monitor - I think it best you try growing up real fast.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 22, 2007 5:01 PM | Report abuse

I don't read this blog to waste my time with a pissing match. Confine comments to basketball, people, and not 6th-grade "Your Momma!" insults. Go away if that's all you want to do.

Posted by: Keithinator | March 22, 2007 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Lisa, apparently you've never heard of the rule that teams should keep their dirty laundry in the locker room. By Caron and EJ going public with their frustrations, they apparently are tired of his act, whether you admit to it or not.

Posted by: DC Man88 | March 22, 2007 6:54 PM | Report abuse

DC Dude, I watch all things Wizards and I heard absolutely no dirty laundry from either Caron or Eddie. They made a comment or two about the team as a just want to make a big deal out of nothing because you are so darn jealous.

Posted by: Lisa | March 22, 2007 8:01 PM | Report abuse

Check out Gil's latest blog. I think this is his best blog yet and I found it to be quite informative and of course entertaining. It pretty much sums up Gil and his views and why he is the way that he is. I got much love for him. The good and the bad. Trust me he drives me crazy at times too but his heart is in the right place and he is genuinely a decent guy. He is just doing Gil and you have to respect the man for that. And yes, I am a Gilby lover. I have no problem with admitting it. So go ahead and beatup on me now :-) I still stand by my words.

Posted by: WizFan | March 22, 2007 9:09 PM | Report abuse

Susan O'Malley (ska Lisa), silly girl, I think you're either in denial, deaf, or both. Everybody read and heard EJ and Caron's quotes, and even Ivan and Michael provided more insight into their mood when they quoted them.

Whether or not you choose to believe, I don't care. But I will continue to give an even keeled point of view, to counter your Gilby apologist attitude. Can't recall what excuse you came up with after he shot that 6ft airball against the Blazers, then again, you probably thought the shot went in, but the refs missed it.

PS. Whether you think I'm jealous or a hater, it doesn't matter, b/c I don't care what you assume.

"Wizards Coach Eddie Jordan was clearly annoyed by the distraction created by Arenas's mostly playful prediction saying: "It affected how they played. Defensively, they double teamed him and switched off on him. I think it really jacked them up twice to play to us. I don't know how it affected Gilbert, you'll have to ask him that but it really jacked them up.""

"Butler said the Wizards just need to play with the necessary energy to get through the grueling stretch ahead. "If we play 48 minutes with no drop-offs and keep playing good team basketball -- and nobody's trying to be a hero and go out there and do it on their own -- we'll be fine," Butler said. "We've got to trust the system Coach put us in and we'll be all right.""

Posted by: DC Man88 | March 22, 2007 10:35 PM | Report abuse

Hey Ivan,

Did you go through with asking Coach why he gives Jarvis so many minutes in crunchtime (and so many minutes generally)? I think most Wizards fans really, really want an answer from EJ on that.

Posted by: Kam | March 23, 2007 12:49 PM | Report abuse

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