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Limping to the finish


I guess it's possible to call what is happening at the bottom of the Eastern Conference a "race" but that would be generous. The Wizards are pretty much locked in sixth place but have lost three of four and are still obviously trying to adjust to life without Agent Zero and Tough Juice. The Nets have made noise about moving up from seventh to sixth but got blasted at Chicago last night by a Bulls team that played without Andres Nocioni, Tyrus Thomas and Ben Wallace. The Nets and Wiz play tonight and again on Tuesday at the VC.

What happens tonight is anyone's guess but I guarantee this: there is no way Eddie Jordan can ask his starters to carry the minutes they did last night. When you look at a stat sheet and see that Antonio Daniels, who leads the league in assist-to-turnover ratio, has seven turnovers, you know fatigue is kicking in. He can't play 44 minutes again tonight and it's probably not a good idea for DeShawn Stevenson to go 42 minutes either.

After the game Jordan said guys like Roger Mason Jr., Mike Hall and Donell Taylor will get burn tonight. He really has no choice. Andray Blatche sat up near the ink-stained wretches last night and said he's excited about returning Tuesday night.

"They need you Dre', " I said.
Dre: "I know. I'm going to get out there and do my thing."

The atmosphere at VC last night was strange. There's no other way to put it. The fans couldn't even work up the energy to properly hate LeBron James like they normally do. No Gilbert. No Caron. No buzz. Thing is, the Wizards played hard and at times they played well but this team won't beat anyone if it misses 10 free throws and turns the ball over 23 times. As Darius Songaila said after the game "We have no margin for error now."


By Ivan Carter  |  April 7, 2007; 1:26 PM ET
 
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is anybody giving the Wizards a shot tonight against the Nets? they don't do well on the 2nd of back 2 backs, and 4 years now Kidd & Vince Carter have given them hell. with the injuries & the team coming apart at the seams, how many more regular season victories can we muster up? looking at our roster & the schedule, i hope we can get 1...

Posted by: koolkatt007 | April 7, 2007 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Songaila said it best. The Wizards have to tighten up. And it is shame that Eddie Jordan waits until he has no choice before he will give Mason, Taylor and Mike Hall the sort of time they need to get if they are going to sustain anything in this stretch run. Will Booth be available tonight?

Posted by: George Templeton | April 7, 2007 6:04 PM | Report abuse

No Booth tonight. He said he has to get some swelling out of his left knee and should be good to go Tuesday night. Here's the surprise: Andray Blathce made the trip and will be active. Not sure if he'll play but that's a good sign for Tuesday night at the very least.

Posted by: Ivan | April 7, 2007 6:59 PM | Report abuse

I have to disagree with you, George. Mas has had opportunities but really hasn't performed. Taylor has not been impressive and he's shown he's not really a point guard. And Hall is the last guy on the bench, and on how many teams does the last guy on the bench get significant PT? No knock on these guys who I'm sure are trying their best, but I don't think EJ has handled them any differently from the way any other coach would.

Good to see AB will be active. They do need him, especially with B-Hay in EJ's doghouse.

Posted by: Mitch | April 7, 2007 7:14 PM | Report abuse

I wonder about the pyschological health of the team. They have played tough but lost 2 games without their 2 stars. They have a center who is a headcase. They are trying to re-vamp their identity as a team. I think if we don't win one of these Jersey games the locker room could get pretty messy with discouragement. Maybe Haywood will be the scapegoat and all the frustration will be pointed in his direction. But I bet things are pretty volitile (sp?) behind closed doors.
Hope we can steal one tonight.

Posted by: BmoreRev | April 7, 2007 7:21 PM | Report abuse

oops..."thou shalt not steal." I meant to say 'I hope we can WIN one tonight!'

Posted by: BmoreRev | April 7, 2007 7:25 PM | Report abuse

Well, when Les BouleS lost to the Nets last time, Gilby couldn't hit the side of a barn, and Joisey was missing Richard Jefferson, but Joisey still won. It'll be tough tonight, but still winnable.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=270227017

Posted by: DC Man88 | April 7, 2007 7:55 PM | Report abuse

Congrats DCman on your press. Lets stay positive tho. Like I said in my last post, these guys gotta get mentally siked for this. Its hard because its very sudden.
Phil Jackson had to do it with the Bulls espcially MJ.

Eddie sike these guys up!! they ought to do some trash talkin to each other...

Go Antwan!! Fire up songalia!!!

They can win this game. Maybe Haywood as center and Etan as PF

Look at Hayes tryin to get it done.

Ya gotta give it to these guys..they're doing as well as any team missing their main players AND on a back to back

Posted by: Rob | April 7, 2007 8:34 PM | Report abuse

If it wasn't for Vince Carter . . .

Posted by: George Templeton | April 7, 2007 8:39 PM | Report abuse

Just saw the earlier post. Hall, Mason & Taylor have not produced. I agree. Not strong nor hungry enough. This is not the time for experimenting. Hall might be able to pull down some rebounds but I agree with coaching staff. They're running their princeton like they've always wanted to. guys seem to be benefiting from it.

Did Kidd resign w/Jersey? Can't remember.

Was havin all those marital issues...the media kept reporting on that.

Posted by: Rob | April 7, 2007 8:45 PM | Report abuse

The "beauty" of the Princeton offense is that it's less about individual play and more about team play. If this team can stick to this formula and execute, then they should easily beat the scrub teams out there. As bad as Les BouleS have been playing recently, Joisey is still 4 games behind Les BouleS, and are 5-5 over the last 10 games.

At the half, AJ is having a terrible game shooting 5-14. Even though JKidd has 12 assists, Les BouleS as a team overall has almost as many assists as Joisey, has many fewer turnovers, and many fewer PF's. That's why Les BouleS are only 1 pt down. Very winnable game. If I were Frank though, I'd tank the game for the lottery.

Posted by: DC Man88 | April 7, 2007 8:46 PM | Report abuse

Well if you want to see a rerun of last night, just keeping playing Daniels and Jamison those kind of minutes and that is what will happen. Jordan has no choice, he can't win games playing AD 44 minutes and Jamison 42.

Posted by: George Templeton | April 7, 2007 8:47 PM | Report abuse

If anybody wants to hear the "Curse of Les Boulez" phrase over and over, and "they're dead.." over and over, make sure you tune into Full Court Press rerun on ch.4 tonight.

Posted by: DC Man88 | April 7, 2007 8:55 PM | Report abuse

Funny exchange on FCP:

Dupree & Wilbon: Les BouleS should get Gerald Wallace from the Bobcats, as he will be a free agent this year, and Bobby Johnson will not pay him. He's good, and that's what they need.

Tony K.: Gerald Wallace will come here and break both his legs...

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: DC Man88 | April 7, 2007 8:59 PM | Report abuse

dc, breaks whose legs? i missed it.

working late. Will watch full court late tonite. waching game. They should have been using this Princeton offence waay long ago. I just heard buchantz say Wiz were at this same no. 39-36 exact time last year. How weird is that?

Posted by: Anonymous | April 7, 2007 9:05 PM | Report abuse

Tony K. sarcastically said Gerald Wallace, who's doing great down in Charlotte and will be a free agent at the end of the season...if he comes here, will break both his legs due to the "Curse of Les Boulez" jinx.

One interesting point that was made on FCP was that despite Miami losing Shaq for the first part of the season, and Dwade for the second part, they are giving Riley kudos for his coaching for changing styles and believe based on this, that is why their record this year so far is better than last year's, when they won the championship.

Posted by: DC Man88 | April 7, 2007 9:11 PM | Report abuse

I don't how they don't call a foul on that rebound, but it doesn't matter, you have to get that rebound and that is why they lose all these games, they don't do the fundamental stuff. And it freaking hurts to watch.

Posted by: George Templeton | April 7, 2007 9:55 PM | Report abuse

ugh, Man, I'm tryin to stay positive. Nets just got up 5. Turnover. I hope we can pull this out.

Yes, Gerald Wallace would be great.

Just read your post. I do blame Jordan for not preparing this team properly. They altered the Princeton Offense - sacrificed the preparation of the other players - to emphasize Arenas program. Yes, it was great pr etc for Verizon Ctr and Wiz but at what cost?

Just the statement by Kornheiser about Miami - Their coaching style and game. Had Jordan, trained Arenas to play within the Princeton Offense - aka Phil Jackson's Triangle- as Phil would allow MJ & Kobe - to do their thing -then still maintain the Triangle Offense. Jordan could have done same w/Princeton Offense - we would not be here with these guys trying to get it done on the run. What were they thinking?

You have to think ahead and allow space for injuries in any sport?

Posted by: Rob | April 7, 2007 9:58 PM | Report abuse

OT!

Richard Jefferson must have one of the dumbest tattoos ever. "RJ"

Posted by: DC Man88 | April 7, 2007 10:02 PM | Report abuse

Great yet another way to blame Gilbert for something. I thought you guys would run out of those by now.

Posted by: George Templeton | April 7, 2007 10:04 PM | Report abuse

The worst part is that Jarvis is having the game of his career and it is going to go to waste.

Posted by: George Templeton | April 7, 2007 10:15 PM | Report abuse

they're doin a hell of a job but have not been trained on the basic fundamentals. I agree Rob and George. This goes back to Jordan. No team should be primarily circled around one player. Its a team sport. He has clearly sacrificed the other players expecting Jamison, stevenson, Butler and Arenas to carry the team - made these remaining men as insignificant. no preparation for injuries. The bench is less than D-league quality.
Thats ridiculous.
This is my first chance to watch an entire game..who do Buchantz & Cheneir work for?
New Jersey? Negativo!!
Buchantz is so in love w/Carter, Kidd and Jefferson. Who does he work for? Nj or DC?I amean Allllll night long!!!!

Ivan, could you ask him whats up with that?
He's the "DAGGGGEEER in the team's back.
If Kidd is so hot! Why haven't they won anything? I got to send a letter off to Comcast about Buchanzt..now he's got Chenier on records w/him.


basic fundamentals

Posted by: Anonymous | April 7, 2007 10:17 PM | Report abuse

Ain't it great to see someone do well given the opportunity?

Go Jarvis, Go Jarvis, Go Jarvis......

Les BouleS management would be fools to let this guy walk without compensation...

Posted by: DC Man88 | April 7, 2007 10:17 PM | Report abuse

in the final seconds of the 4th quarter, the Wizards gave up an important offensive rebound on a miss free throw by Moore. before the shot, y didn't EJ immediately insert some big bodies to help block out? despite the loss, it was another gutsy performance. however, if this team wants 2 advance far into the playoffs next year, Ernie G better aquire some bodies that can play down n the paint. can u believe the Nets had 2 players with triple doubles? has that ever happended before?

Posted by: koolkatt007 | April 7, 2007 10:22 PM | Report abuse

everybody's raving over Gerald Wallace. he's ok. but 3 things 2 take into consideration. (1) his best games have been against the Wizards. and everybody tends 2 get season and/or career highs against us. (2) he's basically the same size & plays the same position as Caron. (3) last but not least, Wallace is going 2 want a lot of money. the money given to him should b spent on either on the 1,4, and/or 5 position. besides, the Bobcats better do all they can 2 resign him

Posted by: koolkatt007 | April 7, 2007 10:38 PM | Report abuse

From the AP:

Vince Carter and Jason Kidd became the first teammates with triple-doubles in the same game since Michael Jordan and Scottie Pippen in 1989, leading the New Jersey Nets to a 120-114 overtime victory over the injury-ravaged Washington Wizards on Saturday night.

How many Wizards' fans beside me want to throw up after seeing that.

Posted by: George Templeton | April 7, 2007 10:39 PM | Report abuse

I posted after the first Charlotte game wondering if their was a way that you could find shooting % for second and third shots vs. first shots on a possesion. Wow, again tonight we can't secure rebounds and give up scores on 2nd and 3rd shots.
Another good effort, I can't fault this team's effort, but boy do we need guys that can scrape for the ball. With Pippen talking comeback and Kevin Willis signing with the Mavs, wonder what Oakley is doing these days? I'm not really serious but inability to secure rebounds in the 4th quarter has killed this team all year.
Like others, I've blamed the Small Ball lineups for the problem, but it seems that we just can't secure the ball after a stop. Part of the problem is our two centers' hands. It's something EG really has to address this offseason.
Jarvis played really well tonight,great to see his stroke coming back. EJ did a better job of getting Daniels some rest, but we ran out of gas in OT.
The guys are still hustling and trying, well on to Tuesday.

Posted by: GM | April 7, 2007 10:46 PM | Report abuse

I'd be shocked if Les BouleS went after Gerald Wallace b/c that position is not a pressing need. Also, Gerald would be hard pressed to get the ball much, especially if AJ returns. I was shocked anyway that Dupree and Wilbon mentioned Gerald Wallace.

Given all that, this team clearly needs to get more athletic, and Gerald Wallace is definitely athletic. I'd probably throw money at Rashard Lewis before Gerald Wallace. With regard to AJ, he may be good trade bait come next year since he'll be in the final year of his contract if he exercises his 15 mil option.

Posted by: DC Man88 | April 7, 2007 10:49 PM | Report abuse

C'mon GM. I'd only consider throwing money at Oakley if this team was a legit contender, but they're not. If anything, I'd bring in Oakley as a defensive coach next year.

Posted by: DC Man88 | April 7, 2007 10:50 PM | Report abuse

I had the game on but was only watching it sparingly. Can anyone answer the following:

* ET had a great game last night, but laid an egg tonight with 0-0. Why?

* AD and DS did not start, while Roger Mason and Jarvis did. Why did EJ do this?

* Who did Deshawn "the defensive stopper" guard tonight? Please don't tell me it was VC.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=270407017

Posted by: DC Man88 | April 7, 2007 10:55 PM | Report abuse

Wow, what a way to end the most horrible week of the franchise in years! Yet you have to feel kind of proud of them. As blazing hot as Carter and the Nets were we stayed right with them. We are showing a lot of heart right now, despite these losses. That is most encouraging.

Tuesday is a must win now. We have to stop the bleeding. I had no idea Hayes would step up like that. Is his drought over or is it just a tease? Somehow Daniels needs more rest. He is worn out after this week. Can't be mad at him.

Since it looks like we are on a collision course to again play the Heat, our coaches must get Brenden in the right frame of mind to battle the big guy. Etan, Darius, Booth and Ruffin don't have a chance no matter how hard they play.

Posted by: BmoreRev | April 7, 2007 11:00 PM | Report abuse

George I don't want to throw up but I'm angry he didnt have them better prepared to run the long haul. Its sad watching them struggling. But dc & lisa, you're right - this has been a good thing for Jarvis & the guys who never get a chance to get their legs under them regularly.
I am proud of them..really.
Jordan needs to rethink things especially when Arenas comes back. Seeing how well they're doing. This team could have been further along if Jordan had asserted himself more and had the team really play this offense. Playing team ball. thats a plus. Hopefully Blatche comes back and gives a spark.
spark they need.


Aj is not really trade bait. He's a one deminsional player. No rebounding, no defense - just a nice player. No one you can really shop. We have nothing on the bench to offer either.

Posted by: Robin | April 7, 2007 11:04 PM | Report abuse

Heh George, Arenas isn't important now.
only the guys leavin their blood & sweat on the court now are.

Questioning Jordan's managing of the team. They need strenthening on rebounding and defense. They've played more defense these couple of games than all year. Thankful Butler's presence 7 support.

Posted by: Rob | April 7, 2007 11:16 PM | Report abuse

i have 2 disagree with u Robin about Jamison not being trade bait. he's already been traded 3 times since he was drafted. and he's an okay rebounder. over his career he's averaged 8 rpg, plus he was near the top last year in double doubles. despite his inability 2 go strong 2 the hole and his poor defense, with his size, rebounding & scoring u could get something 4 him. and if u package him with some other players, no telling what u could get n return.

Posted by: koolkatt007 | April 7, 2007 11:19 PM | Report abuse

It was really funny for me to hear Kornheiser commend Pat Riley for changing the way he coached when Shaq was out...and then since Wade has been out.....because Riley DID NOT COACH when Shaq was not playing. He conveniently had surgery while his big man sat.

For someone who is supposed to be on top of sports news, that was a really dumb comment.

Posted by: Lisa | April 7, 2007 11:22 PM | Report abuse

Lisa, I think you misheard.

Korn said that Riley changed the offensive strategy from uptempo to slowball when Shaq was back and Dwade went out (2nd half of season), "which was reminiscent of Riley's days back with NY Knicks."

Posted by: DC Man88 | April 7, 2007 11:25 PM | Report abuse

D-Steve actually did a great job guarding VC late in the game. VC did most of his damage early when other guys were guarding him.

When you consider they had Kidd, VC and Jefferson playing and at a very high level and we were missing 2 of our big 3, you'd have to say it was a pretty strong effort for the Wiz.

Posted by: Mitch | April 7, 2007 11:49 PM | Report abuse

Many people are saying this year's draft is going to be very deep. Problem is most of these players they're hedging on coming out haven't said anything yet, with the exception of the UF players. In any regard, I don't think Les BouleS will find an impact big player at #20.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2007/index

Posted by: DC Man88 | April 7, 2007 11:57 PM | Report abuse

Today, the Wiz lost, the Nats lost, the O's lost, and DC United lost. It sure is fun being a local sports fan!!!

Posted by: Mitch | April 8, 2007 12:03 AM | Report abuse

"Aj is not really trade bait. He's a one deminsional player. No rebounding, no defense - just a nice player. No one you can really shop. We have nothing on the bench to offer either.
Posted by: Robin"

AJ is an excellent rebounder. Check your facts.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 8, 2007 12:06 AM | Report abuse

a good gm with a team of good scouts from time 2 time will find a good role player with the 20th pick. players such as David Lee, Kevin Martin, Boris Diaw, Josh Howard, Tayshaun Prince, Gerald Wallace, Samuel Dalembert & Tony Parker were all drafted after the 20th pick.

Posted by: koolkatt007 | April 8, 2007 12:20 AM | Report abuse

if the season ended now, the wiz would be 6....how would the top 4 seeds pan out? would it be detroit, chicago, toronto, miami? or would it be detroit toronto chicago miami?

regardless, that miami-cleveland first round series will be off the hizzle.
also, would cleveland have home-court advantage even though they'd be the 5 seed? they got the better record.

Posted by: k-man | April 8, 2007 12:32 AM | Report abuse

Based on the state of Les BouleS now, I'd venture to predict that Grunfeld may be more likely to trade the pick for someone in a package rather than drafting someone for an immediate impact. Rumor has it that if Milwaukee or Philly can get Oden, they may get rid of Bogut or Delambert, respectively.

Posted by: DC Man88 | April 8, 2007 12:44 AM | Report abuse

You are correct Rob, so quit trying to blame him for things when he is not on the floor. And as for "They've played more defense these couple of games than all year." This is what they have done starting with the Charlotte game that Gilbert was injured in.

vs. Charlotte --- Bobcats shoot 41 of 82 (50 percent) and attempt 22 FT (20 of 22)
vs. Cleveland --- Cavaliers shoot 34 of 77 (44.2 percent) and attempt 37 FT (29 of 37)
at New Jersey --- Nets shoot 41 of 78 (52.6 percent) and attempt 31 FT (21 of 31)

More defense? Not so fast on that one.

As for Jarvis Hayes, these are his season stats before tonight's game:

74 games 18.8 mpg 6.6 ppg 2.6 rpg 0.9 apg 40.2 percent
And this is the link to his game logs for the season:

http://ttdbl.basketball.sportsline.com/players/player/gamelog/400549

Yes Jarvis played well tonight, but lets cool our jets on him coming back next year. He can't get his own shot, he is an average defender (admittedly better than most on this team) and not a good rebounder. There are better SG/SF backups out there.

I do agree with koolcatt, Jamison has value because on championship team he would be an excellent 6th man who could play 25 mins. per game and bring a lot on offense. Of course I would like to see him have that role for the Wizards.

It is great that the same people who ripped this team for losing games when a certain 0 was on the floor, now say "oh they are playing there hearts" when this team loses. It is hypocritical BS. Yes the people that are left are, to use an oft-heard quote "fighting their guts out", but you know there weren't a lot of nights the Wizards mailed it in before Butler and Arenas were hurt. I have never questioned the effort on this team because that isn't the problem. Fundamentals and mental toughness are and unfortunately that isn't going to change this season.

And I hate to harp on this, but it bears repeating in a game where the Wizards ran out of steam in the OT (by the way how many you really thought they had a shot to win in the overtime). You can't when you are this shorthanded play Taylor and Mason a combined 23 minutes, Haywood 9 minutes and Mike Hall 0 minutes and expect to win. Jamison, Songaila and Daniels should not be playing 40+ minutes a game, it is only going to lead to more losses like this. Eddie Jordan is going to have to coach with the 4th quarter in mind and hope this team can hang around instead of running these guys into the ground by the 6-minute mark in the final period.

Posted by: George Templeton | April 8, 2007 1:09 AM | Report abuse

"It is great that the same people who ripped this team for losing games when a certain 0 was on the floor, now say "oh they are playing there hearts" when this team loses. It is hypocritical BS. - George"

This statement is a serious crock. Before Gilby went out, they went on a west coast road trip and ended up 1-4 against mostly sub.500 teams that were missing their stars. Then, they lost to Toronto where Gilby went 0-4 in OT at home. Then, they got blown the F out by Charlotte. That's embarrassing!

The POINT of the matter is that when Gilby was in these games that they lost, he was the superstar leader along with Jamison and Les BouleS should have EASILY beaten these teams. You don't get credit for "having heart" if you are a superstar playing on the division leading team which is LOSING to bottom feeder lottery teams.

Now that Gilby is GONE, the rest of Les BouleS, which is comprised of mostly benchwarmers with AJ, are given a "oh, they are playing their hearts out" because you're putting your 2nd team against other city's FIRST team. HUGE DIFFERENCE.

When Gilby was there, Les BouleS was the favorite. With Gilby gone, Les BouleS are now the undermanned underdogs, thus they are given the "played their hearts out" pat on the back!

Posted by: DC Man88 | April 8, 2007 1:26 AM | Report abuse

DC, not so fast on Bogut & Delambert. i would love 2 c 1 of them in a Wizards uniform next year, but if either the Bucks or Sixers get lucky & draft Oden, u just can't get rid of 1 big body because u drafted another. n today's nba, n order 2 compete with the likes of the Pistons, Heat, Bulls, Spurs and Dallas, u better have good depth down low. besides, Bogut was the number pick last year. u think the Bucks will give up on him so soon? and wasn't Delambert the best player on the Sixers this year after the AI trade?

Posted by: koolkatt007 | April 8, 2007 1:34 AM | Report abuse

How often are the Wizards ever the favorite on the road? I don't care how bad a team they are playing. Again, if fighting their guts out and losing because of lack of fundamentals and execution is not ok then, it shouldn't be ok now. All I want is a little consistency and intellectual honesty. You can't have it both ways.

Posted by: George Temleton | April 8, 2007 1:36 AM | Report abuse

The problem with both Bogut and Oden on the same team is that they both play the same position, so who are you going to play and who are you going to pay?

I think Iguodabla is the best player on the Sixers right not, now Delambert.

Posted by: DC Man88 | April 8, 2007 1:45 AM | Report abuse

I'll taking a break from sniping at other people to get back to a subject that we have all speculated on quite a bit, trading for a C.
One thought I had was Brad Miller but given that these are the only trades that worked in the trade machine (that the Wizards would consider). I don't think it is going to happen

Miller + John Salmons for Jamison
Miller for Haywood + Thomas

Posted by: George Templeton | April 8, 2007 1:46 AM | Report abuse

Okay, Les Boules played the sonics who were without Ray Allen. I'd tend to think Les BouleS would be favored. Les BouleS played Clips who were without Sam Cassell and Shaun Livingston. Again, same answer. Les Boules played against the Blazers who were without Zach Randolph. Again, same answer.

You're fooling yourself if you think Les Boules, with Gilby and AJ aren't considered favorites against BOTTOM DWELLING lottery bound teams, road game or not. If they were playing Dallas, Suns, Spurs, etc. away, then that's a different story. Many people were predicting 4-1 or 3-2 before the West Coast trip. How wrong they were!!

First you hear the "back to back" excuse, and now you hear the "not the favorite even though Gilby said 'the hibachi is back' excuse. Whatever George, you can't have consistency when you're comparing apples (team with Gilby) to oranges (team without Gilby) with regard to expectations.

If you SERIOUSLY think that Les BouleS, on the road with Gilby healthy, and loses to a lottery team is just as acceptable as Les BouleS, on the road WITHOUT Gilby on the team, and loses to a lottery team, then WHY the F are Les BouleS paying Gilby 11 million dollars this season if you think the expectations from either of the two situations should be the same?!?!?!?!

Posted by: DC Man88 | April 8, 2007 1:57 AM | Report abuse

yes they play the same position. but rookie contracts aren't expensive in the nba. when a player signs his second contract is usually when he starts 2 make the big bucks. if Oden comes into the league & plays like he did n the championship game against Florida, i would have Bogut coming off the bench in a heartbeat. but like i said earlier, having both players adds the depth needed 2 compete with the elite teams. i agree with u that Iguodable is the Sixers best player. But they should still hold on 2 Delambert. u can never have 2 many good big men. unfortunately, a lot of teams including the Wizards have 2 many big guys who r not that good.

Posted by: koolkatt007 | April 8, 2007 2:03 AM | Report abuse

I don't know what is the deal with Bogut, but if I was asked to come off the bench b/c of a rookie, I'd demand a trade.

I'd love to have Delambert. I was shocked about 2 years ago when he was a free agent and no one expressed interest. People talk about AB's long arms. Delambert can almost touch his knees standing straight up!

Posted by: DC Man88 | April 8, 2007 2:11 AM | Report abuse

Brad Miller? over his career he's averaged a measley 8 rpg, while this year he's averaging only 6 rpg. he's slow, he's not tough, and his best game this year was against the Wizards (Haywood was checking him). his subpar playing ability is not what's going to get the Wizards into the 2nd round.

Posted by: koolkatt007 | April 8, 2007 2:15 AM | Report abuse

The Clips are in the playoff race in the tougher conference and given how poorly the Wizards have played the last 2 years vs. the Clips, they weren't favored. The Warriors are also chasing a playoff spot and the Wizards got a gift (as you so correctly have pointed out) against them the week before. The Jazz are a division winner. The Sonics game -- they were awful but they did win. The Blazers game was bad, but to be fair they are a team with a lot of young talent that is improving rapidly under Nate McMillan. Bottom feeding lottery-bound teams, that's revisionist history. And by the way at best I thought the Wizards would go 3-2, but I also thought 2-3 was a definite possibility (oh how I wish that is what happened).

Posted by: George Templeton | April 8, 2007 2:16 AM | Report abuse

I asked you once and I'll ask you again:

"If you SERIOUSLY think that Les BouleS, on the road with Gilby healthy, and loses to a lottery team is just as acceptable as Les BouleS, on the road WITHOUT Gilby on the team, and loses to a lottery team, then WHY the F are Les BouleS paying Gilby 11 million dollars this season if you think the expectations from either of the two situations should be the same?!?!?!?!"

For 11 million dollars, you expect more. I personally have lower expectations for this second team, and because of that, I give them an "atta boy" for not only keeping it close, but almost winning until the very end.

Posted by: DC Man88 | April 8, 2007 2:20 AM | Report abuse

Wait a minute, but according to you Gilbert was the source of most of the Wizards' problems, so now all of a sudden he is gone and they are the poor, poor pitiful Wizards. Sorry but you can't hold both of those positions. Like I said, I appreciate the Wizards' guts and effort, what I can't stand is that they are losing because of some of the same dumb stuff they has cost them close games all year. Not boxing out, not taking care of the ball, bad rotations on defense etc. You have criticized these things too, even more vociferously than I until a certain No. 0 went out. Now these kind of mental breakdowns are okay. That is utter hypocrisy.

Posted by: George Templeton | April 8, 2007 2:42 AM | Report abuse

Woke up in the middle of the night, back does that to me when it's bothering me. Must be dreaming, another Arenas debate going on, wasn't it just yesterday that sombody said, "Gilby is so yesterday's news"?
DCman88 as you do most of the time, you end up making the other guys point for him. If we are to be expected to win on a WESTERN road trip, and we are not expected to win a single game in New Jersey then Gil IS a difference maker.
I watched every one of those games on that trip, like all season, except for a couple of games, effort by this whole team ALL year hasn't been a problem. I've seen alot of NBA games where teams mail in a game, I can't say that is this team's problem. These guys have been playing hard, their effort didn't suddenly change.
I have wondered about EJ's rotations and his lack of getting guys in the game as situational substitutions when needed, like last night when Moore was at the line. I would also hope that EJ and his staff would take a long look at this year's games and devise a season long strategy concerning the use of their bench. This team's starter's have clearly worn down in the second half and their bench has been thrust into more playing time, and some of these guys don't have their game legs.
If anyone is being objective and watches a game tape of the Wiz before and after Gil's injury, I really don't think you can say that we just started to run the Princeton Offense and before we just went one on one.
I've really got to agree with George, this is the same team as they were before Caron and Gil got hurt with the same flaws. What killed us in every game on the west coast swing was lack of defensive rebounding, and securing loose balls. Everyone on the team needs to buckle down and work on boxing out fundamentals, but some guys, some teams, are just not good positional rebounders.
For the rest of this year, hustle, effort, heart, and just grinding it out and getting position is all the guys can do. In the offseason EG needs to address getting us some tough guys for the boards, we need to get more stops on D, but to many times we get the stop and give up the offensive rebound. And my Oakley comment was just musing, in the NEXT sentence I said I wasn't serious. But we really need a guy like that more than anything else.
I've rooted for this team for 41 years. If we'd trade Gil for say, Garnett I'd root against him when he comes to town. And I'll root hard for this group of guys every game that they're out there playing short handed and giving it their all. And if my backs up to it I'll root for them in the playoffs as long as they last. Who knows maybe we can surprise someone!

Posted by: GM | April 8, 2007 5:57 AM | Report abuse

George, you're being extremely foolish or intentionally dumb if you think a team without its superstar should produce the same or better results. Extremely foolish, nevermind not making any sense whatsoever. If so, why bother paying Gilby 11 million dollars if you can get a bunch of homeless men on minimum wage from 5th and H st. to play on your team if they should produce the same.

"Wait a minute, but according to you Gilbert was the source of most of the Wizards' problems, so now all of a sudden he is gone and they are the poor, poor pitiful Wizards."

Gilbert was a source of some of the problems because he was a ballhog and never played D, but he was also scoring almost 30 points per game, so his offensive performance did a good job of hiding these deficiencies until he lost his mojo (ie. hibachi). You're being silly if you think a team that loses its two all star players is expected to compete at the same level against other teams WITH their superstars night in and night out.

Gilby is a big boy. He doesn't need you to constantly apologize for him.

Posted by: DC Man88 | April 8, 2007 1:41 PM | Report abuse

"DCman88 as you do most of the time, you end up making the other guys point for him. If we are to be expected to win on a WESTERN road trip, and we are not expected to win a single game in New Jersey then Gil IS a difference maker."

GM, I think you were groggy when typing your post as you totally missed my point. I already said that Gilby was the difference maker, and without the difference maker, this team is supposed to get blown out of the gym. Surprise surprise, they were still competitive these last two games and were in it until the end, which is why I was applauding their effort, which seemed to bother George.

As I said before, Gilby is a heckuva scorer, but his scoring ability hid a lot of weaknesses on this team, and didn't allow the team to gel and grow and function together, but such was life as everyone became fat and happy as long as they won. Nobody wanted to hear otherwise or hear a conservative opinion. Now that he's gone, your 11 million dollar player, the team is managing to stay in the last two games, which deserves our applause because it's remarkable that they were still competitive, especially last night, against a team with 2 all stars and one olympian.

Posted by: DC Man88 | April 8, 2007 1:51 PM | Report abuse

I don't expect the same results, I (unlike you) appreciate what Gilbert brings to this team. Without him and Caron this is going to be a rotten three weeks. But I am sorry your over praising of this team is drenched in hypocrisy because they are do exactly the same frustrating things (minus their two-best players) as before. All I am doing is exposing you for the intellectually dishonest person that you are at least on the issue of Gilbert Arenas.
You absolutely have made some fair points as to the weakenesses of this team and to what they need to do for next year (although I disagree with you on Jarvis), but when it comes to Gilbert any kind of perspective or objectivity goes out the window and I have to call that out when I see it.

Posted by: George Templeton | April 8, 2007 1:57 PM | Report abuse

So, if you don't expect the same results, then what's wrong with cheering for an undermanned team? An underdog? I'm not going GA GA for this undermanned team, but instead of just giving up b/c two of their superstars are gone, I've seen a lot of hustle, heart, teamwork, and have seen people step up their games outside of their traditional roles for this team. Why are you so angry about that? Should I be blasting an undermanned team for losing these past two games against teams that have their superstars? C'mon, make some sense George.

Also, how did I "overpraise" this undermanned team? I think you're convincing yourself that I did, when I did no such thing.

My comments on Gilby are harder because more is expected out of people who WANT to be superstars, who ARE superstars, and who are PAID like superstars. I would be an idiot, if I was instead railing against someone like Jarvis who is a benchwarmer, a very unassuming guy who never did any self promotion, and who's coming off an injury and got little PT when the team was healthy.

Posted by: DC Man88 | April 8, 2007 2:08 PM | Report abuse

u guys keep knocking Gilbert. yes at times he shoots the ball 2 much & his defensive skills need 2 improve. but make no mistake, without Gilbert Arenas, the Wizards might not win another regular season game this year. repeat: WITHOUT GILBERT ARENAS, THE WIZARDS MIGHT NOT WIN ANOTHER REGULAR SEASON GAME THIS YEAR. u need proof, take the last 3 games they played without him. yes they were close, but it still was a loss. against the Bobcats, AD had season highs. still it was a loss. against the Cavaliers, Etan had a season high n rebounds. still it was a loss. last night against the Nets, Antawn & Jarvis had season & career highs. still it was a loss. you're gonna tell me the Wizards couldn't of use Gilbert in overtime last night? don't get me wrong, the loss of Caron is just as devestating 2 this team. but u just can't replace Gilbert's scoring & killer instinct-i don't care who steps up the game.

Posted by: koolkatt007 | April 8, 2007 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Here's an interesting stat that Les Washington Post printed right after Gilby went down.

Team record w/o Arenas since 04-05: 3-1

Team record w/o Caron this year: 2-7

If anybody saw FCP last night, Wilbon revealed that as he toured the NBA locker rooms, most of the players know he writes for, and lives in the DC area, and he said the stars often come up to him and express that they know Caron is the heart and soul of this team, and even Shaq gave Caron "mad props."

...which goes to reinforce my point that if you produce on the court, people will notice and respect you....if you produce on the court and tell everyone you're producing and other related or unrelated sob stories, they might cancel each other out.

Posted by: DC Man88 | April 8, 2007 2:33 PM | Report abuse

George & GM, there is no point trying to make a point with HIM. He thinks he is the "answer man" and will use any occasion to continue to "Gilbert bash." I'm still laughing over his comment two days ago in which he said we should not pay any attention to Wilbon and Wise because they are backing (and like) Gilbert. HOW MANY TIMES has he quoted Wilbon like he was God's gift to sports journalism???? But now, we should pay no attention to Wilbon because he likes Gil. I can't stop laughing.

Oh, and GM, he can't possible be 25...I'm not sure he is even 19. What mature adult would write this constantly "BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!"? And he has the nerve to say Gilbert is childish???

Posted by: Lisa | April 8, 2007 2:43 PM | Report abuse

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

Here's Lisa, correcting me about Wilbon AND Wise, when I've never quoted Wise before. Nevermind the fact that I had to correct her yesterday after she blasted Kornheiser about his Pat Riley comment on FCP which she was totally wrong about. Korn said Riley changed the offense after DWADE got injured, to suit Shaq. NOT early in the season.

Getting back to Wilbon, I said not to pay attention to him with regard to Tiger Woods, Maryland Basketball, Donovan McNabb, and anything else from Chicago because he FREELY admits he's IN THE TANK for those subjects. Also, while you're at it, name a specific quote that I took from Wilbon and I'll clear it up for your foggy brain.

Posted by: DC Man88 | April 8, 2007 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Also, if I'm so immature and so below you, then why do you constantly go against the very advice you give others, which is to ignore me, but instead, keep referring to me and addressing me and wanting me to Bobbitize you like how John Bobbittized Lorena before she flipped on him. I just hope you don't bite.

Posted by: DC Man88 | April 8, 2007 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Don't worry - I have no desire to bite you - make you disappear would be great, though. You don't interest me. I like mature men who make sense and show respect.

Posted by: Lisa | April 8, 2007 3:07 PM | Report abuse

i agree, Caron is the heart & soul of the team. but it all boils down 2 this. the Wizards have 3 talented all-stars. Antawn & Gilbert r great scorers, but their games aren't complete like Caron. But then again, Caron is not a consistent scorer like Antawn & Gil. now when u have a team that consist of 3 dynamic players, u must have good role players 2 fill the other positions. 4 example...

(1) u need good rebounding (the Wizards don't)
(2) u need good defenders down low (they definitely don't have that)
(3) u need someone who can consistenly distribute the ball to others (i like AD, but i don't know if he can b consistent)
(4) & u need someone who bangs & will play reckless b-ball

without those intangibles, when u lose 2 of your best players, u have nothing 2 fall back on. u can't play better defense, because u never had any defensive players. your rebounding is not going 2 improve because u never had a good rebounder who wants 2 bang. and without a pure point to penetrate and dish, certain players aren't going 2 get good shots. the Big 3 have been carrying this team all year. Ernie G better upgrade this team's role positions. if not, the Big 3's minutes will b high again next year & chances r their bodies will break down again from logging all those minutes.

Posted by: koolkatt007 | April 8, 2007 3:14 PM | Report abuse

But why are you so so obsessed with me if I "don't interest you?"

If you like mature men who make sense and show respect, then why do you like Gilby so much? First off, he's a self admitted walking contradiction (ie. Gilbertology) and an immature goofball. Then, he's disrespectful of his baby's mamma, and doesn't want to reconcile with his own mamma. Must be the $$$$.

Posted by: DC Man88 | April 8, 2007 3:14 PM | Report abuse

I love Gilbert's game and the things he does for the community. And I view him as "quirky" - not immature. Gil is taking care of his babies mamma,...bought her a house nearby his. Regarding that situation...well, that kind of thing is prevalent in the NBA. As to his mother....well, she deserted him. It's totally his prerogative if he wants to desert her now that he has $$$.

I love the other Wiz players as well...Caron, Deshawn, AD, etc. and I would defend them if they were being bashed.


And YOU? I am far from obsessed with you.....it's just difficult to ignore you when every other post is yours.

Posted by: Lisa | April 8, 2007 3:25 PM | Report abuse

You love it.

Posted by: DC Man88 | April 8, 2007 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Lisa | April 8, 2007 03:25 PM

And YOU? I am far from obsessed with you.....it's just difficult to ignore you when every other post is yours.

(LOL) that's a good 1 Lisa

Posted by: koolkatt007 | April 8, 2007 3:31 PM | Report abuse

"...when every other post is yours."

I've got to, when you're one man fighting an onslaught by Gilby apologists....gotta what you gotta do.

Posted by: DC Man88 | April 8, 2007 3:42 PM | Report abuse

So now Golbert Arenas is at fault because he is a great scorer and he covered up this team's weaknesses and got us wins? I guess Phil Jackson should be just furious with that damn Kobe Bryant scoring all of those points so people can't see just how bad the Lakers are.
The Bum is destroying their chance to reach the lottery! He's probably holding back the development the likes of Smush Parker and Luke Walton.Lakers fans should be praying that Kobe goes down so everybody can step from under his shadow. Then they could trade him .... I'm sorry I can't type with a straight face anymore!
Lisa, may have been wrong about the age. But he is connected! I missed his mention in the Post until he pointed it out here. So, he beats his own drum too!
Did anyone ever notice that when he gets in one of these running debates "the boys" don't have time to write in?
I'm sure they'll all have something vulgar for me now.

Posted by: GM | April 8, 2007 4:59 PM | Report abuse

"So now Golbert Arenas is at fault because he is a great scorer and he covered up this team's weaknesses and got us wins? I guess Phil Jackson should be just furious with that damn Kobe Bryant scoring all of those points so people can't see just how bad the Lakers are."

What in the world are you talking about DUDE? It's why these debates keep dragging is that things need to be explained over and over again to these "fans" that have been following the team for 50+ years with their misinterpretations and make believe assumptions.

If I was connected to the Post, your BS inputs would have been banned a long time ago!!!!

GM, you're wasting your time with your "the boys" theory. No one else chiming in now is just pure coincidence, since today is Easter Sunday. Where are your make believe boys and girls?

Posted by: DC Man88 | April 8, 2007 6:54 PM | Report abuse

GM, again you need to read things more carefully. No need to be defensive.

The comment re: Phil Jackson gave an example of how a coach can incorporate his franchise player into a specific style of play, ie the triangle as a mean to success.
Plain & simple. Nothing to do with Gilbert Arenas. What is this hostility about?

Its my understanding we are allowed the opportunity to submit our comments. Because we are different our thoughts - may not agree with yours. It is a democracy - others are allowed a view or opinion. If all don't agree! Thats ok.!
Thats what makes life interesting.

The focus should be the Wizards. As a team, these guys are putting forth great effort, a fact the media is very complimentary about. Lets keep this thing lite!! Its not that serious.

Posted by: Rob | April 8, 2007 6:58 PM | Report abuse

Rob, the reason GM (and others) get "defensive" as you phrased it is because ever since "DCDude" arrived on the scene he has done little else but "Gilbert Bash" - goes on and on about Gil's birthday party, and now it's about losing games on the West Coast trip. When a number of us did not agree with him, he called us horrible names. I was called a c$nt (you get the idea) and a moron. Others were called homosexual names - he seems to love the term "fudgepacker" and went into detail about what that was. So you think those comments are welcome??? That is why he is pretty universally despised on here.

So take up for him if you want and continue to state all of us are entitled to our opinions and that makes life "interesting." But bear in mind that if you disagree with him he will call you a "fudgepacker" or some other evil name.

Posted by: Lisa | April 8, 2007 7:15 PM | Report abuse

Geeez Lisa, I guess my words really made an impact on your life because not only have you repeated them over and over ad nauseum here, but Lisa actually went on other blogs and promoted me there. She and some others have accused me of writing on the espn blog, although I've told her time and time again that I do not write on any other blogs, but she keeps giving me credit for them.

I've said it once, and I'll say it again, anyone being civil to me, I will be civil to them. If no one had called me a jerkoff right off the bat, then I would not have had to retaliate with some choice words of my own.

This blog is clearly frequented by Gilby apologists who don't think he can do anything wrong. I'm glad I'm here to offer a counterpoint, one that many of the professional reporters, including Ivan and Michael, have paralleled themselves in their articles or commentaries.

Posted by: DC Man88 | April 8, 2007 7:30 PM | Report abuse

Rob, I haven't been doing anything but come on here and talk about Wizards Basketball. When the vulgar stuff starts to appear on this site. He has always blamed it on someone else, I just started refering to them as the boys. You know, trying to keep it lite hearted and basiclly laugh the crap off. Wow, I didn't say HE was the BOYS! I didn't say he was connected to the Post either. Don't know why he needed to deny things that I didn't say.
But you know, calling Lisa a c$nt and a moron isn't exactly keeping it lite. The Beating his own drum was meant to be a joke about self promotion!

Posted by: GM | April 8, 2007 8:26 PM | Report abuse

The funny thing is that all this BS about me has nothing to do with Les BouleS going on a downward spiral a few games before the all star game, culminating to the debacle over these last two weeks with the west coast road trip, the HOME loss against Toronto, and then being embarrassed by Charlotte. Doesn't change a darn thing, as Les Boules are reeling, with Gilby, and without Gilby (to a lesser extent). I hope Caron hurries back and gets well soon because he's way too important to this team.

Posted by: DC Man88 | April 8, 2007 8:37 PM | Report abuse

Unfortunately Caron isn't going to be back until the second round (if by some chance the Wizards advance). Now that there is a chance that the Bulls will finish 3rd. Which is the best chance for the Wizards amond the 3 --- Raptors, Cavs or Bulls

Posted by: George Templeton | April 9, 2007 12:53 AM | Report abuse

ok nuff said. Now lets get back to basketball. If we have to get some low post player..whose out there or a possibility?

Posted by: Rob | April 9, 2007 1:23 AM | Report abuse

I don't know Rob. Some have proffered Jamaal Magloire (admittedly I hate that idea) and that idea was convincingly shot down. I brought up Brad Miller, but that idea was convincingly shot down. I would like to get Tyson Chandler away from the Hornets, but there not stupid, I can't see them trading him.

Posted by: George Templeton | April 9, 2007 1:46 AM | Report abuse

Chandler makes 11-13 M per yr. the only reason the Hornets would trade would be for cap releif. I'm not sure that they're in or soon to be in that sitaution. I'd think a Maglorie or a Miller Combo with Etan would be an upgrade over Brendan/Etan.
Chandler and Maglorie point out just how hard it is to evauluate young big men and project where they'll be in 3 to five years. Chandler was a finesess guy out of high school, potential big time scorer, but some scouts thought he was soft and couldn't rebound. Maglorie made the Allstars in his second year but never developed into the player many thought he'd be.
What they both are that Brendan isn't is tough on the boards and going for loose balls, traits we really need. I'm not sure how long Miller's contract runs, we wouldn't want to be paying when he was sitting like PJ Brown, but he is a tough smart Vet that has played the Princeton before. Not real quick, some claim he's the worst defensive center in the league. I don't see that, but it's not his strength, but he does scrape for the ball and sets a mean screen.
But, Miller and Maglorie will be on the market, not something you can say about too many centers.

Posted by: GM | April 9, 2007 7:03 AM | Report abuse

Pain, sweet sweet pain.......

Tyson Chandler:

#1 in FG % : 62.39
#2 in Rebs : 12.4
#13 in Blocks : 1.77

Could have been drafted by Les BouleS but instead, they took Kwame. Also, Kwame could have been traded for Elton Brand. Oh well....

NOK would most likely never trade Tyson Chandler, so it's not worth talking about. They have a good inside outside duo now with Chris Paul.

Posted by: DC Man88 | April 9, 2007 7:35 AM | Report abuse

As crazy at this will sound, what would it hurt for Eddie to start Brendan? Or at least play him more minutes. I'm only asking this because we seemed to win when he started (at least for awhile) AND maybe it would inspire him to play hard. I realize that Etan has played his heart out since regaining the starting job but at this point we need a WIN.

On the other hand, we know Brendan will be gone after this season is over, so he may have checked out already.

Posted by: Lisa | April 9, 2007 7:39 AM | Report abuse

We should have taken Gasol with that pick, but Jordan was dead set against being the first guy to take a Euro guy Number 1.
EG made a great salvage move and got us an Allstar in Caron Butler. I'm not sure that I'd trade "Tough Juice" for any of the bigs in that draft today. Gasol, Brown, Curry, and Chandler are not the all around player that Butler is. So in the end we did alright in spite of the fact that none of the bigs at the top of that draft have panned out to be all around players.
But, I could NEVER figure out why Jordan didn't go for the Brand deal. Particularly when it was becoming clear that he was coming back. Brand was an NBA player, the other guys were all untested.

Posted by: GM | April 9, 2007 7:51 AM | Report abuse

If Les BouleS got Gasol, he probably would have flopped by now. At least Gasol, a foreigner, probably wouldn't have understood it if MJ called him a flaming f@#$# like how he called Kwame, causing him to rush out and stock up on Clearasil at Costco. Even still, if Gasol is so good, why would Memphis want to get rid of him, and why is Memphis so bad this year?

Caron is a great player, but he's moreso a role type of player than a takover type. He's not blessed with extreme atheletic ability, or star power draw. He's great for the team, but many GM's out there would give up Caron just to get a big guy who's got some serious upside. Talented big guys are a premium in the NBA, while mid sized guys who aren't that athletic, but tough are more common. I just like it when Caron goes up against the Lebrons and Carmelos and KG's of the world, b/c he doesn't back down to them.

Jordan is a guy who's probably still wearing his UNC shorts under his tailored suit, so maybe it's an anti-Duke thing. Nevertheless, many people have said if Dishonest Abe hadn't kicked MJ to the curb, MJ could have brought Kobe here, who was a pending free agent.

Posted by: DC Man88 | April 9, 2007 8:20 AM | Report abuse

So I see that yesterday Miami lost to Chatlotte! Maybe we will get the Raptors in the brackets. To me this means that we need to get Blatche healthy and ready to play on Bosh and keep out of foul trouble. we also need to get some PT for D Taylor. Daniels will wear down trying to stay with PJ Ford. But I don't think a competitive, long series is out of the question. But we must stop the bleeding and get a win Tuesday night.

Posted by: BmoreRev | April 9, 2007 8:33 AM | Report abuse

God, just think how bad the Miami fans are heckling the Heat for losing to a lottery team!

Posted by: Gack | April 9, 2007 8:48 AM | Report abuse

I's miraculous how well the Raptors are playing despite them losing Bargnani and Calderon and TJ Ford just coming back from injury and being out all last year. Nevermind the fact that Mo Pete is lucky to get any PT although he did tie Les BouleS with his only shot in the game and only playing 1 minute.

Juan is giving them some good instant offense off the bench, as they crushed the Bulls yesterday, and the Bulls usually beat Les BouleS. Shocking.

Posted by: DC Man88 | April 9, 2007 9:00 AM | Report abuse

Can't heckle the Heat when they're the defending champs, and they have an owner who spends, spends wisely, but nonetheless spends. Les BouleS are the defending chumps for the final missed free throws against LeLebron. That itch won't be scratched by Gilby till next season, if Les BouleS get back into the playoffs.

Posted by: DC Man88 | April 9, 2007 9:04 AM | Report abuse

There's really no point speculating about deals that weren't made, let alone rumored deals that weren't made. The loss of Gilbert and Caron really doesn't shed any new shining light on the team's weaknessess. They're the same as they were before those guys got hurt: depth, athleticism, all around defense and interior presence. It's going to take more than internal improvement of existing players to really make the difference, but going after non-difference makers like Magloire or Miller, just because they might be available, isn't going to help either.

Grunfeld has his work cut out for him.

Posted by: kalorama | April 9, 2007 9:11 AM | Report abuse

Kalorama,

I agree with you, but I think the best thing about Les BouleS and what they have going for them is for the fans to be able to "reminisce on what could have been..." That's much more fun than seeing a team spiral downwards as the playoffs near.

I'm not on the bandwagon to get KG here, but if Les BouleS want KG, this is probably what it would take to get him here:

Wolves:

Give up KG and some cap friendly cannon fodder

Les Boules:

Give up-

Andray Blatche
Antawn Jamison
Caron Butler
This year's #1
Next year's #1 (unless lottery, then second pick)
Might need to throw in BTH to sweeten the deal.

Posted by: DC Man88 | April 9, 2007 9:22 AM | Report abuse

That deal will never happen because it does nothing to help either team get any closer to winning a title. All that does is change Arenas, Butler, and Jamison and a weak supporting cast into KG, Arenas and an even weaker supporting cast (minus Jamison, Butler, and Blatche) with less financial flexibility than they have now and two less draft picks to add to the core. And the T'Wolves don't want Jamison's contract or the Wizards nonlottery pick(s). Caron is a nice player, but not nearly nice enough that the Wolves would give up Garnett and take on that much ballast to get him.

Posted by: kalorama | April 9, 2007 9:36 AM | Report abuse

Actually the "defending" champions (MiAMI) - with their MVP back in the game - losing to "lowly Charlotte" (as I believed they were referred to when we played them) is WORSE than the Wiz losing to them WITHOUT their two big guns.

Posted by: Lisa | April 9, 2007 9:38 AM | Report abuse

Yes, but when the Miami fans get upset, all they need to look at is the bright and shiny Larry O'Brien trophy that they won last year.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_O%27Brien_Trophy

When Les BouleS fans get angry, all the get to look at is a bright and shiny turd of a team.

Keep in mind that when you're comparing Les BouleS to the Miami Heat, which is ridiculous, the latest tally is Miami being 16 wins over the last 17 games against Les Boules.

Buckhantz: "UDONIS HASLEM WITH THE CATCH AND SHOT OVER ANTAWN JAMISON......BACKBREAKERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

Posted by: DC Man88 | April 9, 2007 9:52 AM | Report abuse

Kalorama,

That proposed deal is a fantasy one, but if the Wolves agree to it, they would get AB and Caron longterm, and potentially 2 #1's. Why wouldn't they do it?

Les BouleS would get KG and Arenas together, so Susan O'Malley could sell more seats and have more family nights, singles nights, and bachelor's nights. It's a win win for marketing, because you'd be silly to think Les BouleS are serious about contending for a championship!!!!

Posted by: DC Man88 | April 9, 2007 9:56 AM | Report abuse

They wouldn't do it because, as you yourself said, Caron is basically a role player. You don't trade a future Hall of Famer for a couple of role players and two mid-first round picks.

But, of course, that's basketball logic. And, as the pointless broadside at the end of your post reminds us, you have little real interest in either when it comes to discussing the Wizards.

Have a nice day.

Posted by: kalorama | April 9, 2007 10:13 AM | Report abuse

KG is towards the twilight of his career, and he hasn't taken his team past the first round of the playoffs, and that's only been once, with the help of Sam Cassell and Latrell Sprewell. Based on what we've seen, it's really Sam Cassell who deserves that credit as he's got the touch of gold in getting teams into the playoffs. Time is not on KG or the Wolves's side.

Posted by: DC Man88 | April 9, 2007 10:21 AM | Report abuse

Well, guys, last time I read anything about a "possible" trade - it was Hayes & a bench warmer for Magloire - Feb. It did not go down not sure why not. But, keep in mind Ernie could be looking to Europe, Argentina or somwhere outside the states.

They're hungry to play in NBA, more disciplined don't argue as much. (Dirk's americanized now - argues with everybody)LOL,LOl.!! Who knows? Could there be another Dirk, Diaw or Iguodalia or Barbosa, Barganini, a bit bigger Songalia
and what about Zaza?

All are disciplined workers - not a slacker int he bunch.

You guys are much better at this than I. So, I say, try thinking outside the box for a minute and see what you come up with. From what I can tell - there are a lot of foreign players "hanging like spiders in the wings" for a chance.

Since they are hungry - like most starving men - they'd take less for the opportunity to play. Right up Abe's alley.

Posted by: Robin | April 9, 2007 12:22 PM | Report abuse

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