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Poor East, Oden And Durant Going West

NBA conspiracy theorists officially announced their retirement last night.

There is no need for debate: David Stern isn't fixing anything.

If the postseason banishments of the Phoenix Suns and almost all of the league's individual superstars was merely the application of the wet cement, then that sentiment was solidified with the draft lottery last night.

No way Stern and the league office wanted Greg Oden and Kevin Durant -- the most marketable stars to enter the league since LeBron James -- to go to Portland and Seattle. They might as well be going to Siberia.

Oden and Durant being exiled to the Pacific Northwest, means that most fans in the East Coast won't ever be able to watch them play - unless they are willing to bypass sleep. This is great news to the people of Portland and Seattle, but this is truly a nightmare for the league, and especially the Eastern Conference.

The East has been the wretched, bald-headed stepchild ever since Michael Jordan retired in 1998. Forget about Miami and Detroit winning two of the past three titles, the power structure in the NBA has been West-Coast-centered for far too long and the prospects don't look good for a shift anytime soon.

By the time Tim Duncan moves out of his prime and into a Shaquille-O'Neal-type decline in three or four years, Oden will likely be establishing himself as the best big man in the league. Or maybe Yao Ming is finally dominating the league. Or Utah is really coming together.

Either way, the East really got a raw deal here. How could it miss out on both can't-miss prospects?

Fortunately, this is considered the deepest draft in years, but scouts and league personnel executives contend that Oden and Durant are once-every-five-years franchise changers.

And can the West get any stronger? The Houston Rockets won 52 games last season and got the fifth seed. Detroit won 53 games . . . and got the top seed in the East! Does that make any sense? This could work out in favor of the Washington Wizards, but this is pretty terrible overall. How do teams in the East get better if they don't have a chance to get at least one of the best players.

The Boston Celtics have to believe that the Curse of the Bambino has switched from the Red Sox over to them. I cannot think a team that had a more difficult season. It started with the death of Red Auerbach, continued through that 18-game losing streak, injuries to superstar Paul Pierce, an inability to get Allen Iverson from Philadelphia, and finally the lottery.

Despite their best efforts to lock up the most ping-pong balls - some would say the Celtics tanked - they got the fifth pick. The image of Doc River rolling his eyes and lifting his cap upon hearing the news was priceless. They've been preparing for Oden or Durant since December. Team president Danny Ainge even sat next to Durant's mother during the Big 12 Tournament in an informal meet-and-greet. Now, they are stuck with the same lousy team - and the fifth pick, which isn't expected to have an immediate impact.

And what about the Suns? They were hoping that the Hawks would avoid the top three so that they could find the player who could help them finally get past Duncan and the San Antonio Spurs (Joakim Noah and Corey Brewer were spotted walking through US Airways Center before Game 5 of the Western Conference semifinals last week). But now with the pick staying pick Atlanta, which somehow got the third pick, the Suns will have to improve in other ways. But who cares about the Suns right now?

The East stinks and we'll probably be saying that for another decade.

By Michael Lee  |  May 23, 2007; 1:16 AM ET
 
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Comments

Sorry it didn't work out for you, Michael.

Posted by: Sean | May 23, 2007 7:17 AM | Report abuse

Well, last night was just a lesson for the Grizzlies, there was always a 75% chance that they wouldn't get the top pick. Now they can ponder this, any guess as to what the odds are of Larry Brown riding into town and building an instant winner?
The rebuilding process just got alot longer and harder for the Grizzlies. It now includes having to find someone to do the rebuilding. I wonder how many million dollars Mr. Heisley lost in that draft lottery last night? Wow, talk about high stakes gambling!
And now what are the chances that Pau Gasol who is already sick of losing and asked out will change his mind and want to stay for the long haul? And then what are the chances that the owner, who is left with no management, will change his mind and decide to keep his 13m dollar per year unhappy Spanish tweener as a center peice in a rebuilding process?
The guy's a very good player and a valuable peice on a winner, not a guy you build and market around when you've just come off the worst record in the league. The Grizzlies will need to jettison long term payroll commitments and package some of their vets to get young, cheap, assests. And hope that they can develop some young homegrown stars to build around.
The chances that Pau Gasol is on the move this offseason just clicked a few percentage points above never.

Posted by: GM | May 23, 2007 8:10 AM | Report abuse

Does anyone have Bill Simmons on a suicide watch?

Posted by: Keithinator | May 23, 2007 8:10 AM | Report abuse

On the positive side for the Wiz, one instant mock has Hibbert going 11 to Atlanta (they also have the third pick, so they may not want two more kids, and would be willing to part with the lower pick); another has him falling out of the lottery, which means he could slide to 15 (or maybe 16?). So he might be obtainable via trade, or if luck is really with us, maybe he falls to us...

Posted by: Keithinator | May 23, 2007 8:20 AM | Report abuse

I think this has conspiracy written all over it. The Sternmeister dropped extra ping pong balls in the box for Portland and Seattle to pump up the West even more. This accomplishes a couple of things for him. First it takes away from the negative press he'll get from the Phoenix debacle in the playoffs, and next it will bring in enormous ratings from from the Northwest TV markets, especially when the Blazers and Sonics play the other powerhouses of the West.

But like Michael said, this is FANTASTIC news for the Wizards. This pretty much gaurantees us a season sweep over Boston next season.

Posted by: Juan DC | May 23, 2007 8:22 AM | Report abuse

Keth, looks like Hibbert is staying at G'town. Good for him and good for the Hoyas. Hope Grunfeld is doing his homework...

Posted by: Juan DC | May 23, 2007 8:25 AM | Report abuse

Juan,

Conspiracy??? No way, buddy...this is Stern's worst nightmare! You don't think he would want Boston or Philly to get better? The imbalance of the conferences is not what he wants. I can imagine he'd prefer Oden going to Atlanta, which like DC they see as a potential gold mine of an NBA city, as opposed to the much smaller Portland and Seattle markets.

Should be an interesting summer indeed!

This is great news for us Zards fans. The east should not get tougher unless someone pulls a blockbuster deal. It will mean that guys like Gasol, Garnett, Jermaine McNeil who may want to be moved will realize that the east is a much, much smoother path towards June hoops.

Posted by: BmoreRev | May 23, 2007 8:37 AM | Report abuse

Hibbert is to announce his intentions today. Sounds like he intends to return to school. But with the two picks Atlanta may be the target to want to move out of the lottery on their second pick. They could really use a frontline veteran to go with all their young guys. I'm not sure we have anything to interest them.
I also read that Grunfeld seems to like Tiago Splitter. Splitter has a 1m buyout after next season. His agent has informed his Spanish team that he will not sign an extension and wants to see if he can buyout a year early.
Boy I bet there's some owners, General Managers, and agents waking up feeling like they were hit by a truck this morning!

Posted by: GM | May 23, 2007 9:05 AM | Report abuse

The East will stink for another decade? Wow, I understand that Oden and Durant are going to the West, but do you care to retract that statement in hindsight?

Posted by: AV | May 23, 2007 9:42 AM | Report abuse

Come on, a true conspiracy theorist knows that Stern fixed the lottery to make it look like it he doesn't fix the lottery. Sacrifice the careers of Oden and Durant to quiet the MSM, all so that the MSM doesn't question the next time the Lakers or Knicks win the lottery with impossible odds.

Posted by: dgc | May 23, 2007 9:55 AM | Report abuse

I second keithnator's comments and also whoever made the comment on the tankers getting their due justice. And good for Portland, that is a great NBA town that has put up with some BS the last few years and a lot of it when the Blazers were still good. Now they have a good young corps and Oden to go with it. Rip City is back and I am glad to see it.
The other great part of the lottery was the reaction of the Celtics watching party they showed. Now the Celtics know how the Bullets felt in the 90s when they would be in the top 2 or 3 of ping-pong balls and never win.

Posted by: George Templeton | May 23, 2007 10:03 AM | Report abuse

Sorry Mike, I usually enjoy yur articles - give you a A+++ But now I'm a bit confused here.

First, I care about the Suns. Like em.
Next, You're sounding wishy washy Mike. Why just yesterday and the days before, you were explaining the fun and excitment and how entertaining Phonenix made basketball. Had it not been for them - the NBA would be simply boring, etc. You said some of us on the blog were "confused" & went on to explain your position, etc. HMMMMMMMM
Whats up with the Jekel-Hyde persona and opinion?

It really doesn't wear well on a sports writer. You should either stand by what you write or your word & opinion has no merit.

Also, you state you are the Wizards beat reporter - one would suppose you'd give the Wiz some credit in this article instead you lumped them in with the rest saying "The east stinks and will for decades." Had you not given a thought to the Wizards improving this upcoming season?

Mike, as much as it pains me to say this, and it does but it sounds like you were hoping someone in the "East" would have gotten either Oden or Durant which could have potentially been a night-mare especially for Polin & Co. cuz they have no clue how to train a big.


Posted by: Robin | May 23, 2007 10:32 AM | Report abuse

"Hibbert is to announce his intentions today. Sounds like he intends to return to school. But with the two picks Atlanta may be the target to want to move out of the lottery on their second pick. They could really use a frontline veteran to go with all their young guys. I'm not sure we have anything to interest them."

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Les BouleS can target their picks to get young and athletic and we have both AJ and AD to offer up.

Posted by: DC Man88 | May 23, 2007 11:02 AM | Report abuse

Juan is absolutely correct. You don't think that Seattle's threatened move to Vegas or Oklahoma City didn't play into them getting the number two pick? Especially since they want public money to build their new arena? And you don't think that after years of the Jail Blazers that Stern didn't want the genial, oddball, model citizen Oden to revitalize that market? Give me a break. Face the facts. It's FIXED.

Posted by: writing is on the wall | May 23, 2007 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Writing is on the wall, I agree with you. There's no way in the world that when Ewing came out that was not fixed for NYC. This is to salvage to the franchises. Boston is upset, but they have not hit rock bottom like Seattle is on the verge. Portland is still in trouble from its druggie/hoodlum phase. this can complete their transition.

Posted by: RobGreg | May 23, 2007 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Writing is on the wall, I agree with you. There's no way in the world that when Ewing came out that was not fixed for NYC. This is to salvage to the franchises. Boston is upset, but they have not hit rock bottom like Seattle is on the verge. Portland is still in trouble from its druggie/hoodlum phase. this can complete their transition.

Posted by: RobGreg | May 23, 2007 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Re big man drafts, got a name for you (with a very minor Bullets/Wizards connection): Sam Bowie.

Been a fan since the early Sixties, seldom seen a number one big deliver long-term -- i.e., without bending other league rules to make it so.

Chamberlain, Russell, Kareem, Shaq*. I wish both these young men the best, but I don't see them as part of that company yet.

Posted by: Bill Carr | May 23, 2007 11:51 AM | Report abuse

portland getting oden is huge to a franchise with terrible press for years they now have a exciting young team with a superstar that will attract national attention to a dead area like lebron does for cleveland and helps the franchise recover from an embarrassment to now become a huge boon to portland a city with no nfl or mlb and very devoted bball fans

seattle getting durant is very big to add excitement to a team threatening to move and wants funding for a new stadium, he adds a young superstar that reinvigorates a dying team in a quickly growing and populating city and market and saves it from dying and losing it's team and instantly is exciting with durant along with rashard lewis, ray allen, wilcox, collison, etc.

oden and durant combined bring huge national attention to a dead area and is similar to expanding nba to a new market like china or like it did in the past in europe it opens it to new fans and will bring them national exposure and prominance. markets like ny and boston will always have big fan base, but portland and seattle needed this to happen.

why would michael lee want boston to get oden so they can get better and dominate the east and the wizards for the next 10 years??? really seems like you were rooting for the celtics in the lottery, and that is strange for a wizards beat writer isn't it? i loved seeing the party spoiled in boston, and i am glad the lottery did not happen like you hoped. the way it happened is good for the nba and good for the wizards.

Posted by: poptart | May 23, 2007 12:31 PM | Report abuse

The Wizards trading away Jamison and Daniels after the put the team on their back during the playoffs??? In your dreams.....

Posted by: Lisa | May 23, 2007 12:34 PM | Report abuse

PopTart, Thats what I said in my post too.
Thats the strangest thing for a team's sports writer to say isn't it?
Mike, Mike, Mike - not good.

Juan - hadn't thought about your theory but one thing I do know..its always about $$$ thats why its called "Sports & entertainment."

Lisa, he can't dream..the block sitting on top of his neck is empty.

Posted by: Robin | May 23, 2007 12:56 PM | Report abuse

The Wizards better keep a look out for the Hawks.

Marvin Williams
Josh Smith
Josh Childress
Joe Johnson

Add the 3rd and 11th pick to that and you looking at a really solid team for years to come.

I'd take there roster over Portland or Seattle any day of the week.

I'm more worried about them then the Heat in coming years.

Posted by: dc | May 23, 2007 1:17 PM | Report abuse

Cant the league just club the Eastern conference and the WNBA together and get it over with? As for fans in the east losing sleep watching the west coast games, dont think there are any fans even in the west watching the games. Spurs cant even sell out their home games. Suck on it Stern - Horry-gate is your katrina

Posted by: Deepak | May 23, 2007 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Do you think after all the greif that the Hawks have taken for passing on Chris Paul and Devon Williams that they will pass on Conley? That's a little high for him to go at three according to the draft experts, but can they risk him dropping to 11?
But, even if they reach a little for Conley at three they could come up with another big that can run at 11. They really do have some scary young talent if they can put it together.
But their ownership will come up with some way to screw it up. I just can't imagine it being a trade of the 11th pick or one of their young frontline guys for a veteran in the last year of his contract.

Posted by: GM | May 23, 2007 1:36 PM | Report abuse

AJ and AD deserve all the credit for their efforts while the big 2 were out. Given all that, what did it do for Les BouleS. Did they win anything? No. Do you want to pay AJ's 15 mill salary or do you want to ship that elsewhere for more D and more athleticism?

Robin, girlfriend. You need to chill with that insult. I didn't step to you like that, so you'd better recognize and don't step to me like that.

Posted by: DC Man88 | May 23, 2007 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Hey man we do have eletricity out here
in Siberia/Pacific NW. Take a little nap
if you cant stay up past midnight. There
is also VCR's, Tivo, and other new-fangled
image recording devices. Someday when I have more time, I'll write descriptions of some of the great players we have had out here in the Pacific Time Zone. Kareem, Magic, Kobe, Clyde the Glide, Baron Davis,
Gary Payton, Peja, Bibby, because apparently you've never got a chance to
see them.

Posted by: UhYeah | May 23, 2007 1:59 PM | Report abuse

I say get rid of the lottery. Its obvious that it didn't stop the Celtics from tanking - thats what its supposed to prevent right? Let teams tank if they want to, usually the worst teams are going to be there for having awful teams, not for tanking. Someone tell me when the east was more exciting than the west. I can't remember when that last was.

Posted by: Dave | May 23, 2007 2:09 PM | Report abuse

good for portland. brandon roy is awesome (i wish my suns got him last year out of u-dub). Adding Oden will finally fix their team and put them in western conference final contention.

who cares about east coast basketball? it's been dead for years. any true b-ball fan is going to stay up and watch the west coast games. the wizards are the only east coast team that is even watchable.

Posted by: chris | May 23, 2007 2:15 PM | Report abuse

I made this statement in some other blog on WP.com The Wizards should send that #1 pick to Charlotte for Hermann! Over the last quarter of the season, this guy reeked havoc on Eastern opponents. he can score, he can pass, he can defend. Say what you will about Jamisons defense, he is a tough cover and this guy was in his jock. he is also a legit 6-9

Posted by: Herb | May 23, 2007 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Nocioni becomes a free agent this offseason. Why sign DS when you can probably sign Nocioni for the same money?

Posted by: DC Man88 | May 23, 2007 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Coming out of semi-retirement after last night....

It's too funny.

Portland and Seattle....wow, too funny. We'll never see two of the best NBA players ever again.

EVERYTHING Mike wrote in this blog is exactly what I was thinking last night as it was going down.

The Commish is really taking his lumps right now after all of those years of prosperity and praising(First the Suns fiasco, now this).

If you've been a Wiz/Bullets fan over the years you've ALWAYS hated the lottery because exactly what happend the the Celtics is what always seems to happen to them.

What a joke, it's time to get rid of the lottery. The East gets nothing, the West gets better. Say "bye-bye" to all of those endorsements also that Durant or Oden would have gotten in Boston.

We actually agree Mike, good blog. :)

- Ray

PS - I told you it would be Dirk.

Posted by: Ray | May 23, 2007 3:06 PM | Report abuse

What about the Wizards and Portland trying this trade:

Portland signs Rashard Lewis (UFA) and drafts Greg Oden
Portland trades Randolph to Wizards for their first round pick
Portland drafts Law with Wizards pick gives them another leader besides Roy

Wizards do this so they can have Jamison be the ultimate 6th man and rest him during the season aka Ginobli and the Spurs

Starting Line-up in center weak east could be:
Arenas
DS(resign)
Butler
Randolph
Thomas/Songalia

with Jamison, Blatche, Daniels, Euro's, Songalia coming off the bench

Portland does this trade because they can start aldridge and oden together in the front court and it gets rid of percieved headache and big contract in randolph for cheap while adding great floor leader ac law

what are your thoughts

Posted by: TRADE | May 23, 2007 4:01 PM | Report abuse

In an age of instant media, DVRs and the Internet, I can't believe there are still people who claim that the Pacific Northwest equates to Siberia and that no player on the west coast can even be seen by the all-important east coast audience.

And of course those poor players will not get the massive endorsement contract from those east coast companies like Nike. Oh wait, that's an Oregon company.

And yet y'all proudly proclaim there is no such thing as east coast bias. Yeah......right.


Posted by: An NBA fan from "Siberia" | May 23, 2007 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Actually I think its a good thing they're going to Siberia. I prefer college ball to NBA. Durant and Oden will be getting plenty of cash, but much much less of the spotlight they got this year. They deserve it.

Posted by: dave | May 23, 2007 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Well Dapper Dandy David, you've done it again. Your dichotomy rules have been killing the game, along with the watered down talent (until the age limit came into play)and now this disaster. You and Bud Selig must have similar karma when it comes to being comissioners because you two can't seem to do anything right.

Portland and Seattle! Wow! Not that both teams don't deserve a chance at Oden or Durant but we all know the Eastern Conference teams brings the biggest TV ratings and these two gentlemen's names have been in the public's mouth since the end of the 2006. Now you'll have to catch their highlights on the 2:30 am edition of Sportscenter or wait for them to travel to the east coast. All is not lost though. You still have Corey Brewer, Mike Conley, Jr., Brandon Wright, Jeff Green, Al Horford, and the 7ft Chinese kid still left to choose from. That's not a bad crop to choose from. And at least the majority of them (especially Jeff Green) will probably be out East. Don't be surprised if Jeff Green goes to Boston since Doc Rivers' son currently plays at Georgetown. Paul Pierce is getting older and more discouraged by playing in Boston and Green could be his heir apparent.

Posted by: 2PACOLYPSE | May 23, 2007 4:33 PM | Report abuse

"And of course those poor players will not get the massive endorsement contract from those east coast companies like Nike."

I don't think Oden getting a pic taken standing in front of "Kay's Bar & Grill" eating a hotdog with some fans counts as an endorsement deal. :P

Sorry, but it's the reality of things.

Nike and Addidas give out those contracts like they are candy to bball players so it's really no big deal for them to do so. Oden and Durant are going to lose money, why do you think everyone wants to go to the NY teams? Publicity.

The lottery is a joke. Yes, Seattle and Portland are going to have good teams and good for them. But to have to future pillars of the league both go to small market teams is utterly TERRIBLE for the NBA as Mike wrote.

You can't mass market someone people can't watch play.

"Oh yeah, Oden is that tall dude that plays out west. What team is he on again?" says the casual fan.

- Ray

Posted by: Ray | May 23, 2007 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Excuse me....says the casual fan with 2.5 kids and has money to spend.

- Ray

Posted by: Ray | May 23, 2007 5:12 PM | Report abuse

c'mon guys, any true basketball fan can stay up to watch the west coast games. Ask me I have stayed up to 2:00 am the last few months catching the west coast action..if you do not like watching games that are recorded and like watching sports action live, my advise is to sleep during the evening when the east coast teams play and wake up at 10:30 pm and watch some good ball the rest of the night.. simple as that.. if you have difficulty getting sleep in the evening try and watch the eastern conference games and 5 mins into the game, I promise you, you will be snoring..

Posted by: Deepak | May 23, 2007 5:46 PM | Report abuse

Wouldn't it be better for the Hawks to go Horford at 3 and Acie Law IV at 11.

Posted by: George Templeton | May 23, 2007 5:53 PM | Report abuse

You need not fear, Easterners: Durant will be playing somewhere in the midwest after this year. Drafting him changes nothing--any politician in Washington State (unless they are from Renton where the new arena would go) who votes for new taxes to subsidize an arena for the Sonics would lose in the next election, so it is never going to happen unless the arena is built with private money, and the owner of the Sonics swears that is not going to happen. So after next year the team will be in either KC or Oklahoma City presumably with a new name.

Posted by: NWester | May 23, 2007 6:36 PM | Report abuse

Have you people ever left the east coast? Seriously... There's more to our country, sports- and otherwise, than the 1-95 corridor.

Posted by: Siberian | May 23, 2007 7:41 PM | Report abuse

"Have you people ever left the east coast? Seriously..."

You're not getting it.

If it were the Lakers who got the #1 we aren't having this conversation and Mike Lee is spreading his "Kobe love" all over the blog. ;)

It's bad right now for the East, but even worse for the NBA.

- Ray

Posted by: Ray | May 23, 2007 8:51 PM | Report abuse

Robin,

I don't understand your post. I didn't contradict myself in any way about the Phoenix Suns. A number of people were confused after that first blog on the Suns(you weren't one of them). Some people said that if I wanted to be entertained then that meant that I wanted to see one-on-one play, hooting and hollering after dunks and a lot of other stuff that the Suns are not about. I was just clarifying myself and letting people know that the Suns play the team game, too. That's not wishy washy because I never wavered from my stance that no Suns equals no fun. I think these conference finals are sending home that point pretty clearly.

P.S. Ivan Carter is the Wizards beat writer. I am not. I cover the national NBA beat.

Posted by: Michael Lee | May 23, 2007 10:50 PM | Report abuse

Thanks, Michael.

I wasn't aware you weren't Wizards beat writer - thought it was you & Ivan. Therefore, I apologize Mike. As a "National Sports Writer (yeh)" How exciting!!You are perfectly within your rights to openly dis or critique all the sports, players or teams - Wiz included and then some.

Now I understand why your articles are so thought provoking. We need to think outside the box.

Thanks for responding, you can have your A+++ back.

ps. I still love Phoenix

Robin

Posted by: Robin | May 24, 2007 12:10 AM | Report abuse

Thanks, Michael.

I wasn't aware you weren't Wizards beat writer - thought it was you & Ivan. Therefore, I apologize Mike. As a "National Sports Writer (yeh)" How exciting!!You are perfectly within your rights to openly dis or critique all the sports, players or teams - Wiz included and then some.

Now I understand why your articles are so thought provoking. We need to think outside the box.

Thanks for responding, you can have your A+++ back.

ps. I still love Phoenix

Robin

Posted by: Robin | May 24, 2007 12:10 AM | Report abuse

I hope you are wrong Nwester, it would be a terrible thing for the NBA if it left Seattle, although it would by typical Stern to let it happen. He turned his back on Charlotte (and now the fan base looks to have permanently soured on the NBA). And now he is going to do it to a fan base that has been one of the best for over 3 decades, it is a shame. I hope the Sonics surprise everyone next year so the team can be saved.

Posted by: George Templeton | May 24, 2007 10:46 AM | Report abuse

If you're Garnett, don't you want to come East and dominate?

Posted by: CreditZard | May 24, 2007 10:51 AM | Report abuse

I think Dwight Howard might eat KG's lunch if he tries to step up.

Posted by: DC Man88 | May 24, 2007 11:33 AM | Report abuse

While DH may have the skills to eat KG's lunch in the post, he'll have to clean up those 5+ turnover games he seems to have against tough defensive help teams. Learning how to play vs. those double teams will help his teammates ala Shaq and Duncan. It's not a 1 on 1 game down there.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 24, 2007 11:58 AM | Report abuse

"Learning how to play vs. those double teams will help his teammates ala Shaq and Duncan. It's not a 1 on 1 game down there."

Somebody should tell this to Gilby.

Posted by: DC Man88 | May 24, 2007 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Idiot...

Posted by: Anonymous | May 24, 2007 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Jo mamma....

Posted by: DC Man88 | May 24, 2007 2:46 PM | Report abuse

TRADE, The Wizards wouldn't be able to trade our first pick for Randolph striaght up because they're over the cap and couldn't take on his 16m salary without sending them contracts to offset his money.
With them already having Jarret Jack as one of the guys that they're touting as part of their young core at point I don't think they'll be looking to trade for a rookie point either. But they will most likely be shopping Randolph this off season if they can get the right deal.
Randolph is not noted to be a good defender and I'm really not sure how well he'd work in the Princeton. But the guy is a very talented low post threat and a good rebounder.
If Chicago can't engineer a deal to move up in the draft to get either Brandon Wright, Horford, or the Chinese 7' they could look to deal for a vet at power forward so they could be a player for Randolph. Or they may stay at 9 and look for Hawes, the big young center, to fall to them. Randolph might be a better fit for them than Gasol.
The good news in the lottery is that other than Atlanta no one else in the east came up a big winner and Atlanta didn't get into the top two. The worst news for us would have been Chicago jumping to #1 with the Knick's pick. Could you imagine how bad the Curry deal would have looked then?
And the Pacers didn't jump to the top and get their pick back from Atlanta and end up with Oden or Durant. So all and all as poor as our luck has always been on lottery night, we may have had our best luck ever.
There are some very good players projected to be around at 16 and their are several teams trying to move up or get back in the first round. So Grunfeld has flexibility to take a young guy that can help the team or package the pick in a deal.

Posted by: GM | May 24, 2007 6:15 PM | Report abuse

Jo Mamma...??? With Cream and Sugar??? Idiot!

Posted by: Anonymous | May 24, 2007 8:38 PM | Report abuse

I say lets trade DCman88 off this blog for Gilbert. At least he'd be respectful, knowledgable blogger and definitely more polite.

whew!!what a troubled soul!

Posted by: TJ | May 24, 2007 11:38 PM | Report abuse

I say lets trade DCman88 off this blog for Gilbert. At least he'd be respectful, knowledgable blogger and definitely more polite.

whew!!what a troubled soul!

Posted by: TJ | May 24, 2007 11:38 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, my cream on Jo Mamma! Anonymous idiot!

TJ, you're the one obviously troubled! If not, you wouldn't be bugging me!

Posted by: DC Man88 | May 24, 2007 11:49 PM | Report abuse

Lisa is the so called "anonymous idiot." Gotta be.

Posted by: Wizfan | May 25, 2007 12:31 AM | Report abuse

Don't think it's really fair to call anyone the "anonymmous idiot". I'm like most people that have come on this site, I want to talk about basketball and the Wizards. Some of us, and Lisa is one, have put up with alot of crap from those that just want to call you names and are here simply because they get their jollys from on line spats. And I don't think that anybody should condone in anyway someone that is an online sexist bully toward our fellow posters.
I've gotten to the point that I just don't respond to it. But I can see where if you were called a c$nt multiple times you'd really have a hard time ignoring it. It should have been banned from this site long ago.
I just thought that no one from the Post ever bothered to read what was posted here and really didn't care. But when Micheal answered Robin's critisim of him the other day it became clear they've been reading it, they just don't care, so the Post is condoning it.
Since someone started posting here we've always had these posters that will come on say some really weird stuff and then the next thing you know a fight has erupted and guess who's right in the middle of it.
I've come to call those posters "the boys". Has anyone considered that one of "the boys" is free lancing and now we're reading him(or her) fighting with themself on line.
To put it another way, maybe "Elvis has left the building" or "one of the Indians has wandered off the reservation".
I think it's best to ignore it to the extent that we can and try and keep the conversation to basketball. But just because we want to do that should we have to read this crap over and over forever?
"My Cream on Jo Mamma" just what does that have to do with the Wizards? Or in your case Micheal, the national beat writer, the NBA in general?

Posted by: GM | May 25, 2007 9:09 AM | Report abuse

Just for the record, I am not the "anonymous" person writing "idiot" but I have to say I do agree with that person.

Wizfan, why would you say that it was me? Most EVERYONE on here feels that way and I've always posted my name.

Posted by: Lisa | May 25, 2007 9:29 AM | Report abuse

I'll bring this back to basketball at least for a minute! Cavs v. Detroit

The King did very well in first half. Very aggressive to the rim. But what were they thinking in the 2nd half? I gotta go to one of their games...interesting. Anyway,
here we are again with The King holding the ball in what could be potentially a game winning shot if not an opportunity to go to the rim - a)hopefully the shot goes in; b) get fouled and make at least one free-throw(I say 1 cuz he's not as adept as Boozer, Wade, Kobe & Fisher at that darned free-throw line. They make a mint at the line(smile) BUT!!! He starts dribblin & dribblin & dribblin as thou he was gonna run the clock down? Why didn't he just roll on up there with some momentum ala Wade get the darn bucket the stand on the line? And not only does he keep dribblin but he turns and spins not looking for anybody else to kcik it out to. He acted as tho Detroit and Rasheed would just let him mozey on over to the basket and place it in? Or pushing his big butt against skinny Hamilton appear like Hamilton was "touching him?"

Afterwards he did his usual: stuck his thumb in his mouth and whined to refs:
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA Rick touched me!!!!He touched me!!! Uncle David, they're not playing fair!!!!Larry took the ball from me and Rick touched me!!!!!!! I'm the King!!

Sir Charles said it best: this is the playoffs- he's on the road & besides even if he wasn't its hard to tell if there was any contact. He simply made the wrong move. Do you agree or disagree?

What say you Wiz insider bloggers? Did Cav's coach make best choices 2nd half and did the King redeem himself in the final seconds this time?

Listen - this is just something to keep us chattin & entertained. Mike!! give us another one of your thought provoking articles.

Posted by: Robin | May 25, 2007 9:46 AM | Report abuse

The toughest thing to find is a 4th quarter finisher. Last year the refs really bailed LaBron out a couple of times by not blowing their whistles in the closing seconds. The most glaring was one of the worst double dribble moves I've ever seen any where that went uncalled and cost us a game.
Now this year in game one he seemed afraid to go to the hoop and draw the contact and go to the line and possibly end the game with a free throw. And last night he seemed to feel like the league owed him one. That if I go to the rim, I should go to the line, because that's what the press has been saying for days.
I think LaBron is stuck still watching too much Sports Center and pays too much attention to how the talking heads say he should play. Getting caught up in that can lead a player to replaying the last game in his mind instead of being a play ahead of everyone else like the greats are.
Lebron has an incredible amount of talent and can create with the best when he clears his mind and lets himself play. My problem with the way Brown is coaching the Cavaliers is that offensively he is limiting possesions with the deliberate pace he's choosing to play.
When you have what should be one of the best offensive creators in the game you shouldn't have your team killing the clock and limiting his chances. Brown is doing more to limit Labron's scoring than the Pistons are. Makes about as much sense as having Nash walk the ball up and set up a half court offense.
The only reason it would make sense to be limiting LaBron's chances to create would be if he's not entirely right physically. Which could be a possibility, he has seemed to be nagged with one thing after another this year. Maybe Brown is trying to just nurse him along as far as he can go. But at times he explodes to the hoop and looks entirely unstoppable.
All and all I wonder if the team that Ferry has assembled which seems designed to play a similar pace to San Antonio and Brown's coaching style have gotten in LaBron's head more than the Pistons. I don't know if he thinks he can be "King" playing the deliberate style that Brown wants.

Posted by: GM | May 25, 2007 11:09 AM | Report abuse

GM,

Speculation on SportsTalk980 this morning is that Mike Brown will be fired after this season and replaced with another Brown.....Larry.

Posted by: Lisa | May 25, 2007 11:15 AM | Report abuse

And Robin's right let's keep it at basketball. But I didn't think it was fair to blame Lisa for this other crap. If she's got something to say, she'll say it.

Posted by: GM | May 25, 2007 11:22 AM | Report abuse

Now Larry will play a real uptempo style that LaBron will love. If that happens any bets as to James opting out season after next and heading for the bright lights of LA or NY?
Just can't see Larry Brown and "The King" getting along. Oh sure, LaBron will welcome Larry to town because "Coach" is a proven winner, and then wait til the first time Larry calls him out to the press behind his back which useally takes about 5 minutes. We could be headed for another "me and Larry ain't as tight as I thought we was" moment.
They might even win a ring together, but they'll hate each other in the end, you can bank on that one.

Posted by: GM | May 25, 2007 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Mike Brown has been a disaster for LeBron's career in my opinion. They have turned him into a scorer instead of the tremendous distributor at the top of the offense that he should be. Mike Brown has to go. I think Larry would be good for LeBron from the perspective of utilizing LeBron's vision and passing ability, but GM you are right, they would be a grind it out team and that is not what the Cavs should be.

Posted by: George Templeton | May 25, 2007 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Heh,GM, about Lisa?

I had no idea whats been goin on but I know one thing..Lisa, myself & & most others have a BLAST talkin about the Wiz and basketball. For me, the more the merrier. We know we have a little "challenge" if you know what I mean but for the most part - he's just a bump in the road. We can keep rollin.

Whatever happened to blogger named "Gack"?

Thanks Mike! Keep em comin.....

Posted by: Robin | May 25, 2007 1:06 PM | Report abuse

I agree GM. Calling someone an idiot because I pointed out a hypocritical statement is just plain wrong! If you're a Gilby fan, don't dump on Dwight Howard because he gives up too many TO's and plays too much one on one because your man Gilby does the same darn thing, exponentially!

TJ is just wrong too. No sense in targeting other people on this board. Stick to the topic of the Wizards on this blog. Things were growing great until the anonymous coward started following me around and calling me names. Really can't blame me for serving up the same in return!


"Learning how to play vs. those double teams will help his teammates ala Shaq and Duncan. It's not a 1 on 1 game down there."

Somebody should tell this to Gilby.

Posted by: DC Man88 | May 25, 2007 2:48 PM | Report abuse

GM, it's a stretch with your "boys" theory. Stick to the topic of the Wizards. Nostradamus you are not.

Posted by: DC Man88 | May 25, 2007 2:49 PM | Report abuse

When the Cavs lose (I;m a Pistons fan) I'd be surprised if Mike Brown isn't cut lose. His inability to make halftime adjustments or to get his team to play hard and focused for a whole game has had them teetering on the edge going back to the Nets series.

Posted by: kalorama | May 25, 2007 4:14 PM | Report abuse

shaq is average odens better

Posted by: casey | May 25, 2007 9:42 PM | Report abuse

Perhaps the Commish was willing to send two future stars out west in exchange for punishing the 3 teams who intentionally lost games. The odds of the top 3 teams all moving down was something like 2-3%. All this tanking is far worse for the league that having a couple of potential stars playing out west.

Becca Joyce
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Posted by: Becca Joyce | May 27, 2007 12:22 AM | Report abuse

Hope Washington picks Jared Jordan. Just read about this point guard whiz on cnnsi. We need a point guard.

Posted by: Fred | May 27, 2007 11:47 PM | Report abuse

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