Info on workouts

I wanted to drop in and share with you the list of guys who are going to be working out for the Wizards later this week. On Thursday the Wiz are will bring in PG Jared Jordan (Marist), center Jason Smith (Colo State), PG Taurean Green (Florida) and C Larry Turner (Tenn State).

On Friday, scheduled workout guys include: SG Nick Young (USC), G Sun Yue (China), PG Javaris Crittenton (G Tech), G-F Derrick Byers (Vandy), F Josh McRoberts (Duke) and F-C Anthony Tolliver (Creighton).

Jordon, Green and Sun Yue helped themselves with nice performances down in Orlando last week at the pre-draft camp. (I came away with a strong feeling that Green will be a nice point guard in this league for a long time. He really showed an ability to run a team, pressure the ball defensively and knock down the periodic open J).

Smith and NIck Young are projected first-rounders who declined to play in Orlando and I could see the Wiz taking a long look at them given their immediate needs (especially if Ernie Grunfeld pulls the trigger on a deal to move Brendan Haywood and/or Etan Thomas this summer and allows Jarvis Hayes to walk via free agency).

I'm heading to San Antonio on Wednesday to cover the first two games of the Finals. My question to you hard core hoop heads out there: How long does this thing go? Six games? Five? Four?

By Ivan Carter |  June 4, 2007; 12:07 PM ET
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Spurs in five. Cleveland takes Game 3 but can't stop the bum rush.

Posted by: iceberg | June 4, 2007 12:42 PM

I'd go with Spurs in five, but considering I had Cleveland losing to both NJ and Detroit (as well as the Wizards had Gilbert and Caron been healthy), I definitely wouldn't put the mortgage money on it.

And Ivan, if they draft Green, or Jordan in the second round, does that mean that we can expect Daniels to be traded?

Posted by: TG | June 4, 2007 12:57 PM

My gut tells me unless Les BouleS move up in the draft, they will go big and their target will be Aaron Gray, Jason Smith, Gasol, or, hold your breath, Josh McRoberts. Go get your season tickets now!

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 4, 2007 1:04 PM

Spurs in 5. The Cavs win one in Cleveland when LeBron goes off for 50 plus.

Grunfeld has proven to be a pretty canny GM in his career, so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. As much as they need a big man, the Wiz aren't really fully stocked at any position. They need help all around.

Posted by: kalorama | June 4, 2007 1:57 PM

3 Way Trade NJ-LA-WAS

LA gets Jamison, Vince Carter, & Kidd
NJ Gets Haywood, Bynum & Four #1 picks: Wizards and Lakers #1's in 07 & 08 (they're moving why not plan for the future)
WAS gets Kobe

Arenas then gets a year to decide if he wants to be here or not.

We might loose both Arenas & Jamison at the end of 08 anyway - why not lock up a star now

Posted by: Anonymous | June 4, 2007 2:30 PM

I had a trade idea and a couple notes for Ivan when he comes down to my new hometown San Antonio

Detroit trades Rasheed
Washington trades Haywood and Daniels

This trade works with realgm trade checker and solves problems for both teams. Anyone think this is a possibility?

Ivan, I have been living in San Antonio going to college and working here for the past five years and it is way different from my d.c. childhood. Anyway you need to hit a restuarant called Chacho's for lunch/dinner and Pat O'Brien's at night as well as getting yourself a puffy taco and some good breakfast tacos in the mornings.

Posted by: Wiz fan living in SA | June 4, 2007 3:08 PM

Spurs in 5.

As for that 3-way trade, lets just go through all the problems with that deal. For starters there is only one ball and you have Gilbert and Kobe on the team, how do you make the distribution work. 2. The fact that playing with Kobe was very bad for Caron in L.A. 3. Carter is probably opting out so then you are looking at a sign and trade.
If anyone needs to be moved this year its BTH and/or Jamison.

I look at the workout list and I don't see Acie Law IV so I should just give hope that the Wizards would consider drafting him. And has Taurean Green done so well that there is no chance to get him at 47 because that is what I was hoping for? And what about Splitter, is he going to have any workouts?

Posted by: George Templeton | June 4, 2007 3:20 PM

Why in god's name would Les BouleS want that nut Rasheed Wallace? He really embarrassed himself and the franchise in game 6. In any regard, the Pistons probably should blow up that franchise. Use those components to get young and get some draft picks.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 4, 2007 3:21 PM

Having Taurean Green in the backcourt would make Les BouleS' backcourt very small. Green is 6 ft. nothing, and with Gilby at the 2, that would dictate a need to run helter skelter, not Princeton.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 4, 2007 3:24 PM

Spurs sweep. The second and fourth games are close though.

Posted by: The Governor | June 4, 2007 3:27 PM

Cavs in 6!

Posted by: Boobie | June 4, 2007 4:16 PM

There is no way the Wiz move up to take Aaron Gray; he's a borderline first round prospect. Plus, I don't believe the wiz go big with their first pick given that the two Russians are on their way. My guess is they let Arvis and stevenson go, take a 2, and then make a play for Varejao -- yes please.

I agree that if the Wiz draft a point guard in the second round, we'll see a trade that will include either big man, haywood or etan, and A.D. to move up to the top of the second round.

I would be willing to include gilbert in a trade for Kobe, no questions asked.

Posted by: M.E.G. | June 4, 2007 4:40 PM

Spurs in 6. With the 2-3-2 format for the finals, I see the Cavs winning 2 out of the 3 games at home. They are really strong at the Q and I believe they only lost once at home (to the Nets) during the playoffs. But Timmy along with the Spurs' experience will be too much to overcome.

Wiz should draft a swingman like Nick Young in case Hayes and/or Stevenson leave. They have enough young bigs led by Blacthe and Pecherov to worry about.

Posted by: 8ight | June 4, 2007 4:57 PM

"This trade works with realgm trade checker and solves problems for both teams. Anyone think this is a possibility?"

Only if the problem in question is how can each team find a way to trade their malcontent, chemistry-killing big man for another malcontent chemistry-killing big man without actually improving the quality of the team's play?

Posted by: kalorama | June 4, 2007 6:14 PM

As for trade proposals, Denver needs cap relief and there's a chance that Marcus Camby could be on the block. Daniels's stock is high thanks to his play at the end of the season and he's an upgrade over Steve Blake.

I could see some package deal that includes Daniels for Camby, plus enough players to make the salaries work out. As much as I like Daniels, a starting five of Arenas-Stevenson(or whoever)-Caron-Antawn-Camby would pretty much be a cinch for the eastern conference finals if they all stayed healthy and could be a real title contender next year.

Posted by: Dave | June 4, 2007 7:15 PM

trade for rasheed wallace? so we can have another big man from north carolina that likes to shoot threes instead of playing in the post?

Posted by: Anonymous | June 4, 2007 7:58 PM

trade for rasheed wallace? so we can have another big man from north carolina that likes to shoot threes instead of playing in the post?

Posted by: Anonymous | June 4, 2007 7:58 PM

"How long does this thing go? Six games? Five? Four?"

Spurs sweep.

I said all year that the best team the Wiz played over the season was the Spurs and it wouldn't surprise me that they won the whole thing.

I think it's going to be ugly.

- Ray

Posted by: Ray | June 4, 2007 8:06 PM

I expect to see Labron get off in game 3 for 50 plus and so the Cavs will win that one. But I hope it is a sweep and that the Cavs get humbled. They are obviously a weak team coming out of a weak conference. If they win more than one I will become a real Labron believer because Spurs are not going to let up.

Posted by: BmoreRev | June 4, 2007 9:16 PM

"hey are obviously a weak team coming out of a weak conference."

If that's your conclusion about the Cavs, then what about Les BouleS who were swept by the Cavs in the playoffs this year, and beat them straight up (no injury excuses) last year?

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 4, 2007 9:37 PM

I think Spurs sweep. Might go 5. Too much pressure on LeBron to deliver. Spurs are just too efficient and too good defensively.

Posted by: Darnell | June 4, 2007 11:21 PM

This series is over in 5 maybe, but probably a sweep and I'm talking blowouts. Sorry, LeBron has improved, but I am still not sold. The Cavaliers had the easiest road to the finals maybe ever!!! The Wiz were severly hurt, NJ would not have made the playoffs playing in the West, and Detroit would have been maybe a 6th seed in the West. So the Cavs make the FINALS by beating one sixth seed. Again, NOT IMPRESSED! If they even keep the games with SA close, I may gain a modicum of respect for LeBron and his team.

Damn, bad year for the Wiz to be so beat up because they could very easily have been the team in the finals and not the Cavs.

Posted by: Rob P | June 5, 2007 1:18 AM

By the way, the game for the Cavs to steal is the first one as SA has had a lot of time off and they may be rusty. That is the only way I see it going 5. If they get both at home, it's OVER very quick.

Posted by: Rob P | June 5, 2007 1:22 AM

No way the Nuggets trade the reigning defensive player of the year and one of their team's veteran leaders for a 32 year old backup PG. He's not nearly that much of an upgrade over Blake.

Posted by: kalorama | June 5, 2007 2:14 AM

Rob P, I totally agree with you about the Cavs having an easy road to the playoffs. They were fortunate enough to play an injury depleted Wiz team in the first round, a Nets team that barely made it into the playoffs (also with a missing player) and then the Pistons just shut down.

I truly believe the Wiz would have beat them had they been at full speed. The games were very close even without Gil and Caron.

Posted by: Lisa | June 5, 2007 8:41 AM

That's strange. Les BouleS lost last year to the Cavs in six games, and Les BouleS were at full strength. This year, they got swept. As they say, it's better to be lucky than good, but if you are cursed, then you have no luck.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 5, 2007 9:25 AM

I think the 2-3-2 format means that Cleveland gets one or possibly two at home. Most likely looking at a 5 to 6 game series but more likely Spurs in 5.
I think that format makes a sweep really difficult because it makes it easier to relax when playing 3 straight at home, but in the end I think it's a bigger advantage to start and finish with 2 at home. Seems like it lends it's self to alot of 6 game series, if the team with home court gets it back home up 3 to 2 it's over.
The interesting thing is that LaBron seems to pose a real matchup problem for the Spurs, wonder how Pop will decide to play him? But then can they handle Duncan inside? And Parker's quickness will really give Clevland headaches.
If LaBron goes off and builds his confidence like he did against Detriot he could turn this into a series. If they would get the win then I guess I'd have to start to call him King James. But for now he's still LaBron.
George, Acie Law would be a nice player, at this point he seems to be thinking he's lottery bound and won't slip past the Clippers at 14. I read that his agent doesn't want him to work out for non lottery teams.
Alot of guys will try to limit their workouts to reinforce the feeling that they will go by a certain point. It can backfire because if they don't then they can slip to a point in the draft where there are a whole group of teams that didn't work them out.
Kind of like what happened to to Quinn in the NFL draft.

Posted by: GM | June 5, 2007 9:40 AM

Strategy for the Spurs will probably be to let Lebron beat them. Lock up Debbie (aka Daniel) Gibson by putting Bowen on him, putting Ginobli on Larry, and the result will be another ring for the Spurs.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 5, 2007 9:47 AM

Les Clips will definitely go for Acie Law. Clips already have the front court set with Brand and Kaman, and they need backcourt help due to Cassell's age and Livingston's blown out knee.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 5, 2007 9:49 AM

Absolutely no comparison between the Wizards/Cavs series of last season and this season. This season Caron was fully acclimated to the system (last season he was not), we also had Songalia (not with us the season before) and Blatche(not playing the season before). Not to mention Stevenson (also not with the Wiz the season before). Absolutely no comparison.

We were missing Gil and Caron and 45+ points per game. Nuff said.

Posted by: Lisa | June 5, 2007 10:19 AM

The Marcus Camby trade got me excited...but there is no way that would happen right?

Posted by: Joey | June 5, 2007 10:27 AM

You know what? None of these points really matter. What matters is whether the team progresses year to year, or regresses. Every team has injuries, every team has problems. Look at the Cavs, Larry's bro died last year, and this year, Big Z lost his twin daughters.

When you look at the data, all it says is that Les BouleS have regressed since losing in the second round to Chicago 3 years ago when they had Larry. Good teams find ways to win. If you look at Les BouleS this past season, they pretty much tanked the 2nd half of the season due to one of the big 3 being out, dropped in playoff seeding, and then got swept. "Winning percentage" of last 1/3 of season was 30%.

Now, if you want to talk details, I'll humor you. If you want to talk about what Les BouleS had this season for last season, this season they were supposed to be much more into the Princeton offense. Guess what? They hardly ran it successfully. Their superstar didn't want to run it. He wanted helter skelter. He didn't want to play defense.

EJ didn't put Blatche in the game for critical experience even when the big 2 were out. You had 2 centers that fought and regressed. You have a SF who couldn't hit the side of a barn. You had a 2 guard brought here to be the defensive stopper who couldn't guard his own shadow. You had a team that lost 4 of 5 from a critical west coast trip against sub .500 lottery bound teams missing their stars. You had the big 3 lose to Toronto and got whupped by Charlotte twice. Oh yeah, big difference.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 5, 2007 11:17 AM

If we were to trade Haywood, wouldn't it make sense to move up w/ our pick to get a low post presence in Spencer Hawes and a later pick?

Posted by: Anonymous | June 5, 2007 11:19 AM

All teams tanked (including the Cavs, Spurs, Suns, Mavs) at some point during the season. Not just the Wiz. But it's pointless to mention this to you (you know who you are) because you THINK you know EVERYTHING.

Posted by: Lisa | June 5, 2007 11:54 AM

I am a giant douchebag

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 5, 2007 12:24 PM

What about looking overseas again for a guy like Rudy Fernandez or Marco Belinelli to play the 2/3 position, or a big like Tiago Splitter.

Posted by: Jason | June 5, 2007 12:30 PM

What about looking overseas again for a guy like Rudy Fernandez or Marco Belinelli to play the 2/3 position, or a big like Tiago Splitter.

Posted by: Jason | June 5, 2007 12:30 PM

Les BouleS didn't just tank though. They imploded with a blaze of glory. Imagine a team, ranked #1 in the East midway into the season, but then ending up as a bottom playoff seed by the skin of their teeth, and then getting swept in the playoffs. All this in a very, very weak conference.

I don't know everything, but I do know you are in denial about how sad the situation was with Les BouleS during the 2nd half of the season into the memory filled playoffs. Until you realize this, you'll be still hanging on to silly and worthless statements like this:

"....They were fortunate enough to play an injury depleted Wiz team in the first round, a Nets team that barely made it into the playoffs (also with a missing player) and then the Pistons just shut down.

I truly believe the Wiz would have beat them had they been at full speed. The games were very close even without Gil and Caron..."

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 5, 2007 12:36 PM

Well GM as long as the Heat don't get Acie Law IV I will be happy. I just wish we knew whether Navarro was going to be over here or not because I think that affects what the Wizards are going to do. Crittenton and Splitter are my two favorites for the pick.

Posted by: George Templeton | June 5, 2007 12:41 PM

Great posts by some and informative. I like to come here on occasion but why are some people on here so negative. I mean if I did not care for the Wizards, I would not post here. I am afraid to mention the posters name because I don't want to incite his wrath. Anyway, I am pulling for Cleveland because they are not playing the Wiz and secondly they are an Eastern Conference team.

Posted by: gowiz | June 5, 2007 12:41 PM

Gowiz, I totally agree with you on the first part of your post...I've been asking the same question over and over but it never gets answered. Baffling to me as well.

I don't agree about the Cavs...I'm pulling for the Spurs.

Posted by: Lisa | June 5, 2007 12:46 PM

"I like to come here on occasion but why are some people on here so negative. I mean if I did not care for the Wizards, I would not post here. I am afraid to mention the posters name because I don't want to incite his wrath. "

It's not intentionally negative. It's just reality, and if reality is negative, then so be it. What's funny is how some people are painting this great picture of a team, AND COMPARING THEN FAVORABLY TO OTHER TEAMS THAT DID MUCH MORE IN THE PLAYOFFS AND ARE CONTENDING FOR THE CHAMPIONSHIP, when Les BouleS friggen' tanked and imploded the 2nd half of the season. How they derive their overly positive stance is mindboggling.

BTW, check this blog guidance and maybe you will understand that even if you were "negative," you can still post here:

"We encourage users to analyze, comment on and even challenge washingtonpost.com's articles, blogs, reviews and multimedia features."

Les BouleS results speak for themselves:

* Regressed in the playoffs 3 years in a row since Larry left.

* Started season blazing, was #1 at the all star break, and barely made the playoffs at the end, "winning" 30% of their final 1/3 games.

* I think you get the picture. No sense beating a dead horse, but good to remind those with consistent irrational Les BouleS exuberance.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 5, 2007 12:53 PM

There is "negativity" and there is "realism." A person claiming to post about "reality" but not "Negativity" does not post something as crazy as this: "BWAHAHAHAHA!" when the Wiz lose.....that is no definition of a fan.

Posted by: Lisa | June 5, 2007 12:57 PM

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

Last I checked, free speech was a right.

As I've often said, when watching Les BouleS, you have to laugh or otherwise you'd cry. That's why I'm laughing so hard because otherwise, I'd be crying my eyes out like you during the 2nd half of this season into the playoffs.

Lisa Lisa: "all cried out, overrrr you...."

Great song.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16shEIbNVmo

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 5, 2007 1:03 PM

Okay so the Wizards are a relatively young team. They lose two all stars including a player who is SECOND TEAM ALL NBA. If you compare them to Cleaveland, the only way it works is if Lebron James is out for the season. Don't you think Cleveland will tank if that occcurs?

As to the future of the Wizards, I am not overly worried. They have a lot of young talent. Atlanta and Orlando might pose a threat in the long run, however, Shaq ain't gettin any younger. Jamison is getting up there in age but Blatche will fill that role soon enough. OP also looks like a nice find for the front office. I think they are just a couple of pieces short of contending (especially since the league is doing a lot to make it an offensive oriented game.

Posted by: Terpin it | June 5, 2007 1:37 PM

"Okay so the Wizards are a relatively young team. They lose two all stars including a player who is SECOND TEAM ALL NBA. If you compare them to Cleaveland, the only way it works is if Lebron James is out for the season. Don't you think Cleveland will tank if that occcurs?"

During the 2nd half of the season, they lost ONE of their big 3 at a time (either Caron or AJ at a time for most of the time). During that time, they could not win jack. Without Caron in the lineup, they went 1-4 on their west coast trip against sub.500 lottery bound teams with Gilby and AJ in the lineup along with Song and everyone else. Are you saying that's acceptable for a team that was leading its conference in the first half of the season?

Les BouleS, you lose one all star, you got two to fall back on, nevermind AD with his ring and his veteran savvy. Cavs, you lose Lebron, who you gonna fall back on? Which all stars?

While you're at it, keep in mind when you're comparing Lebron to the Big 3. Lebron hit the NBA from high school. Arenas spent 2 years in Arizona, an elite program. Caron spent 2 years in UConn, another elite program. And, AJ spent his 3 years at UNC, yes, another elite program. Therefore, that makes the Cav's and Lebron's success that much more phenomenal despite many on this blog dismissing it as "not impressed," or "Les BouleS could have beat the Cavs if we were not hurt..." blah, blah....

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 5, 2007 2:00 PM

"As to the future of the Wizards, I am not overly worried. They have a lot of young talent. Atlanta and Orlando might pose a threat in the long run, however, Shaq ain't gettin any younger. Jamison is getting up there in age but Blatche will fill that role soon enough. OP also looks like a nice find for the front office. I think they are just a couple of pieces short of contending (especially since the league is doing a lot to make it an offensive oriented game."

Charlotte - Lottery pick, Felton, Herrmann, Okafor, Morrisson, Gerald Wallace (?)

Atlanta - Joe Johnson, Marvin Williams, 2 lottery picks, Pachulia, Shelden Williams

Heat - Riley, Dwade, and Mickey Ari$$$$$son

Magic - Howard, Nelson, Turkoglu, Reddick

Les BouleS - Gilby (opt out?), Blatche, and Caron

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 5, 2007 2:08 PM

DC Man, are you as ignorant as you seem to be? The tanking was due to major injury problems at the end of the season. Period. Fact. You go off on tangents that make no sense. The Cavs beat us this year by what 7/8 pts per game on average in the playoffs and we were missing 45% of our offense! It's no stretch at all to think we win that series with Arenas and Butler playing. Comparisons to last years series are ridiculous and Lisa already pointed out all the obvious points of why it is such.

The Wiz have improvements to make for sure but the overall talent level is better than Cleveland's. The assertion some are making that Cleveland is now going to rule the East for the next 10 years is absurd and makes me laugh. They have more holes to fill than do the Wizards. Honestly, Larry Hughes is their second best player!!! Enough said! He can't even play more than 10 games in a row without injury and he got maxed out on one great contract year season with the Wiz.

Posted by: Rob P | June 5, 2007 2:14 PM

"Magic - Howard, Nelson, Turkoglu, Reddick"

I guess you are listing what you believe to be team's with a better young nucleus?
Howard, yes. Nelson, Turkoglu, and Reddick are junk! I'll take Blatche and Butler over those three anyday. Atlanta has done nothing, zero. Same with Charlotte although I do see them going in the right direction. The Heat are about to go cold for many many seasons. Shaq is getting older and older as is 90% of the rest of their roster. They make the playoffs the next couple of years, but contenders they are not. The team to look out for in the East is Chicago. THAT is a team with a good young nucleas and it's no surprise you don't even list them. I like their roster better than Cleveland's too!

Posted by: Rob P | June 5, 2007 2:25 PM

Rob, now you start with the name calling, but when I return fire, you cry like a little baby and write your love letters to the Post. What a girl you are.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 5, 2007 2:28 PM

"The tanking was due to major injury problems at the end of the season. Period. Fact. You go off on tangents that make no sense. The Cavs beat us this year by what 7/8 pts per game on average in the playoffs and we were missing 45% of our offense! It's no stretch at all to think we win that series with Arenas and Butler playing. Comparisons to last years series are ridiculous and Lisa already pointed out all the obvious points of why it is such."

As I said many times, during the 2nd half of the season, they missed one out of 3 of their all stars at one time. Why are these two other guys all stars at all if they can't keep their team from losing to bad teams (ie. especially 1-4 in the west coast run)? How would you cope if you were Big Z and lost your twin girls during the playoffs? He played, they still won. You make absolutely the second weakest excuses compared to Lisa.

If you watched the Cavs playoffs series, you would have seen and noted by all that the Cavs were coasting against Les BouleS, and did not need to turn it up and win until the end. They proved it by SWEEPING Les BouleS. Therefore, your 7-8 point margin means much, much less than fact that Les BouleS were SWEPT!

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 5, 2007 2:34 PM

Spurs in 7. Cleveland's D is still under-rated and will win a game for them. Lebron will try to win 2 on his own.

Posted by: Darrell | June 5, 2007 2:42 PM

How about this trade:

Gilbert Arenas/Caron Butler/Antawn Jamison for Tim Duncan/Manu Ginobili/Tony Parker

What does everyone think of that?

Posted by: WizKid | June 5, 2007 2:54 PM

DC Man88, I bet anything that you have ZERO friends. You were one of those guys in school that no one liked, so you stopped trying to make friends and started being a jerk to everyone because you craved any kind of attention. Since you couldn't get any positive attention, the negative attention would do. And at night, you would tell yourself that all these people hated you because they were stupid and that if you were nice to them, they would be your friends. It's a delusional, circular logic for losers. Get a life. Or a friend.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 5, 2007 3:06 PM

I have to agree with DC Man88. Sure the Wiz have done pretty well the last few years but let's not get carried away. And never base your opinions on losing or what could have been-

The Wiz have a long way to go and Wiz fans should not fool ourselves into thinking we would be in the finals if we a healthy Gil and Caron for the first round.

The truth hurts sometimes but it can be a springboard to bigger and better things. The thing I see the most out of Wiz fans is Lebron haterade. He is simply one of the top 5 players in the NBA and unfortunately Agent 0 is not.

The Cavs play better defense and are a better rebounding team than 95% of the league- that's where they surprise people. Don't be surprised if all the finals games are close.

It's good to root for your team but don't confuse it with pie in the sky hopes. I like the Wiz but their D needs to be on another level before even thinking championship. Step one: get a perimeter stopper and I don't mean Deshawn-

Posted by: Alex | June 5, 2007 3:09 PM

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

And to think the hypocrites on this blog that like to blast me about being offensive in turn are trying to be offensive themselves.

You are the true loser because your can't even stand behind your weak words.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 5, 2007 3:10 PM

Rob is a girl. Rob is a babeee.. Rob is a girl. Rob is a babeee.

Go write some love letters loser.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 5, 2007 3:13 PM

Nice comeback. I can't stand behind my words because I don't have a lame tag name to hide behind? You know every word I say is 100% true. I don't have to resort to childish name calling.

I am sure you would rather see the Wiz return to the '90s form when they couldn't even make the playoffs.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 5, 2007 3:14 PM

I usually post on dcsports bog. Seems more fun there. No one talked about Zach Randolph yet; if we could pull off a trade for Zach Randolph and somehow keep Caron and Gil, that's a young nucleus. Anyway you look at it, EG has to make it worth Gil's time to stay here after 08-09 season.Vermeenko is how old, and if he's a Nachbar or better thats great. Darius said he's going to be in shape next year, Caron is good to go. I think they need a 2 or 3 guard/small forward. Why won't they workout Nichols from Syracuse? Draftexpress had him as being the best 3 point shooter at Orlando (or easiest to make the transition from college to NBA 3...whatever). Whatever they do, they shouldn't move up in the draft. Wait for the Hawks or someone to screw a pick up, then hopefully someone will fall. Jason Smith was in the top 8 most athletic in the drills and lifting at Orlando, which makes his obscurity less of an issue. Hey, let's think of the future, and the amount of Euros each of these deep NBA playoff teams have. There's something to having a Ginobli (and to a lesser extent Oberto) or Ilgauskus, maybe one of our foreigners will come through big and suprisingly. Whatever EG does, no Rasheed for Antawn. The glue of our team for a stick of dynamite? Really?

Posted by: CreditZard | June 5, 2007 3:17 PM

CZ, Ivan said in the last chat that the Randolph for Jamison rumors were started by a writer in Chicago and there is no truth to it. Besides, Z-Bo and Agent Zero have too quirky personalities to mesh well, especially when you take away the team leader in Jamison.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 5, 2007 3:22 PM

Well, it's too bad my truthful Les BouleS comments got to you. Now you resort to a weak personal attack. If you think your words are credible. More power to you. I do not care. Won't even bother, and never bothered to email the blog administrator to complain. Hope you have fun. Continue on loser.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 5, 2007 3:22 PM

If they don't bother you then why do you continue to address them? And besides:
"BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

Last I checked, free speech was a right."

You want to talk weak? Let's call somebody a girl or a baby. You can never do anything as sophisticated as nailing a person's personality without ever meeting them.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 5, 2007 3:27 PM

And here a free English lesson for you on more complex structured sentences:
"If you think your words are credible, more power to you; I do not care."

That statement should not be 3 seperate sentences.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 5, 2007 3:31 PM

I continue to address them because it's fun. It doesn't bother me in that I don't get angry. Silly goose.

Rob is a girl and a baby. I hope he spends more of his personal time writing love letters to the Post.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 5, 2007 3:32 PM

and DC Man88, you just made me think of a tag name to go by. Now you have a name to associate with the man that exposed you to the people that don't know you.

Posted by: College Educated | June 5, 2007 3:33 PM

"That statement should not be 3 seperate sentences."

who cares, i do not, if I did, I would write like I do, and I don't, so I do not, silly goose!

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 5, 2007 3:35 PM

Can't that dude(dcman88) be taken off the post? It is fun to read some of the comments and others opinions but this dude is rough! What is up with that and why does he park himself here when it is obvious that no matter what the Wiz doe he is going to slam them. Everyone else great posts and good insight from some. But that other dude..................

Posted by: Anonymous | June 5, 2007 3:39 PM

Thanks for making my point for me. You've got nothing. Take your ball and go home. It's the big boys turn with the court.

Posted by: College Educated | June 5, 2007 3:39 PM

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

Your college edumacated moniker and a dollar might get you a small 7-11 cup of coffee. Good luck!

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 5, 2007 3:39 PM

You've got nothing. Go write your love letters to the Post. Seal it with a kiss too.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 5, 2007 3:41 PM

Well by George, some things never change around here! The name calling has started, pretty soon something vulgar will get posted.
George, I like Crittenton and Splitter too. But supposedly Atlanta is starting to look at Javaris at 11. They apparently want to go big with Brandon Williams at 3 and then come back and get a point at 11 according to Chad Ford.
The guy that could be dropping some is Spencer Hawes, I really thought Chicago would scoop him up at 9 but they are said to be looking at some other guys there or trying to move up. Some talk of them trying to deal with the Celtics to get to 5 for Yi. Another rumor has the 9 going to Portland in a deal for Randolph along with a sign and trade deal involving P.J. Brown.
If Portland gets that pick they won't pick another center. Portland is said to want to get Conley, if they pull that move they might have to deal again to move up a couple of picks for him possibly moving Jarret Jack and the pick. If Portland's GM pulls all of that off after last year he'll have remade that team in two years.
But some are saying Hawes reminds them of "Big Country" Reeves who flamed out after knee surgery ruined his mobility. If I was Hawes I'd shave the flat top.
If Hawes would drop to late lottery, say #12(Philly) a trade up could be possible. There's a group of similar players at that point of the draft that Philly likes so moving back 4 picks and picking up another assest could help them.
Splitter's stock really has seemed to fall, with so many guys that seem to be ready to step right in and play doesn't look like many teams want to wait a year for him.
What intrigues me about him is that on his National team he's shown alot of offensive ability in the open floor playing power forward. But in Europe he's played center and done the tough dirty work inside that his coach has asked him to do. Some say he hasn't bloomed offensively, but others point out that he's done what his coach has asked and deferred to his teams scorers.
This is going to be an interesting summer and you know Ernie is burning up his cell minutes. I'd love to know what's going on, but you ain't going to get anything out of Ernie!

Posted by: GM | June 5, 2007 3:42 PM

I hope nothing vulgar gets posted. That would be bad. I hope no one goes there. Terrible. I feel sorry for the mail room clerk who has to get all of Robbie's love letters.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 5, 2007 3:44 PM

What my college degree will get me is a better job. But I will use that dollar to buy a cup of coffee from you at 7-11.

Posted by: College Educated | June 5, 2007 3:45 PM

Let me know when you're stopping by for that cup of coffee. I'll add some extra apple juice colored flavoring just for ya, on the house.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 5, 2007 3:48 PM

See, you're not smart enough to keep this from being vulgar. Seriously DC boy, go to school, read a book, then you can come back at me.

And this isn't Rob. I don't know who you keep refering to or what with the love letters. I don't post regularly before today. I am a Wiz fan that loves Ivan and Mike's work that noticed some little brat that keeps trying to one up people on the comment board. You should know I actually contribute to everyone's knowledge of the Wiz (Ivan answered three questions of mine in the last chat).

Posted by: College Educated | June 5, 2007 3:54 PM

man, such venom...i love it.

the wiz have a decent future but they will not be contenders until arenas grows up some and starts leading this team. its pretty telling that our record without jamison or caron (court leaders) is so miserable. also, etan thomas is a poor man's varejao and haywood would still suck if he played in the wnba.

spurs in 4...3 if possible, somehow...i hate lebron.

Posted by: ngu | June 5, 2007 3:55 PM

College Educated, Some on this site figured out that DCman88 lived in his mother's basement months ago. Don't pat yourself on the back too much, he isn't real hard to figure, just hard to ignore when it's every other post.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 5, 2007 3:59 PM

I know but people like him crack me up. They can't argue in an intelligent way and hide behind keyboard muscle.

Posted by: College Educated | June 5, 2007 4:02 PM

Oh man, it's not vulgar. It's the truth, a promise. You'll get your special coffee. Might be a bit tart for your palate though, but nevertheless, hot and fresh.

I'm glad Ivan responded to your 3 questions. Pat yourself on the back for a job well done!

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 5, 2007 4:03 PM

College educated must have gone to an online university if he thinks he's arguing in an "intelligent way." 7-11 coffee remark, yeah, so original.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 5, 2007 4:05 PM

See, he's not saying ANYTHING. You know who Dc boy is? He is that kid who gets picked on in dodge ball. But instead of working out or something to get better, he justs complains and gets his parents to ban it from being played at school. He has to rain on everyone elses fun because he doesn't know how to partake.

Posted by: College Educated | June 5, 2007 4:07 PM

Man, College Edumacated is not saying ANYTHING either. College edumacated couldn't argue anything worth a darn about Les BouleS, because Les BouleS pitifil end to their season and then the playoffs spoke in volumes.

Then, CE resorted to arguing about blog grammar. How stupid is that? And now, is arguing over 7-11 coffee! College Edumacated knows if college edumacated sticks to talking about basketball, specifically Les BouleS basketball, then College Edumacated would get squashed. That's why CE is taking this discussion off on a tangent and directing CE's anger at me. Too bad for you Les BouleS didn't do so good this season. Not my fault.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 5, 2007 4:12 PM

You want to talk basketball? Try me boy

Posted by: College Educated | June 5, 2007 4:15 PM

Sure, try me girl. Step up to the plate! Your Les BouleS tanked this season. Sorry for your pain.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 5, 2007 4:17 PM

If you are such an expert, than who should the Wizards draft in the 1st round? What about the 2nd? And which free agents should Ernie Grunfeld be targeting? You are real good at dismissing others ideas, so lets hear some of yours.

Posted by: College Educated | June 5, 2007 4:18 PM

Are you new to this board? I've already discussed ALL those topics. Please reference all my previous posts, come back with questions, and we can go from there.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 5, 2007 4:20 PM

Can you read? I already said I am new to the board. And I am not wasting my time going back and sifting through past posts for whenever your name pops up.

Posted by: College Educated | June 5, 2007 4:23 PM

hey, lets discuss how egregiously a team in front of us is going to screw up their pick, and what that means the wiz could luck into. lets all remember most of these teams are perennial lottery teams.

as for the pissing contest, we all win if you're a wiz fan.

or am i told to read previous posts as well?

yay fun. basketball and chipotle.

Posted by: CreditZard | June 5, 2007 4:47 PM

Back to the finals predictions, please. Our saying that the Spurs should win in 5 is not dissing the Cavs. It is recognizing that the Spurs are a dynsty that nobody seems to appreciate. Certainly Coach Pop and Duncan have zero pizzazz. Yet I love to see them play and hope they sweep the Cavs and silence all the folks who want "pretty ball." Just maybe the Wiz would see that the old school formula still works. That said, I stand by my statement that the Cavs are still in a weak conference and therefore it is a shame that the Zards were injured. Though we were slipping before the injuries, the playoffs would have been intriguing. I feel like we were robbed of some real drama this spring. I think full strength we are just as good as the Cavs. We are MUCH better than they are on offense, but MUCH worse on defense! Unfortunately we will never know. Both teams will have changes next year.

Posted by: BmoreRev | June 5, 2007 5:27 PM

He hopes nothing vulgar gets posted and then posts about taking a wiz in someone's coffee! Now we all know why the job in the food service industry didn't workout and he's here fulltime. Spending days working on a resume might be a better use of the time.
CreditZard is right some of these teams above us will most likely screw up. One likely candidate is the Bobcats, their pick of Morrison last year looks really bad. Jordan's picks here didn't exactly turn out steller, and he seems to want to put his mark on things and edge Bickerstaff out, and when you edge a guy out his "guys" useally follow. I wouldn't be surprised if he trys to really shake things up this offseason and pull a big move. He might do something like he did here when he gave Hamilton away.
If Atlanta picks Brandon Williams they will have accumulated four young guys that all play the same position. Very similar to the Wizards when we had Webber, Howard, and both Wallaces at PF along with Mourasan at center. It would seem that Atlanta needs to move somebody. Chicago wants to move up, it would seem to make more sense to trade down take Hawes to get a center and get another player or pick.
And if I were them I'd take A.C. Law instead of Javaris. He's a nice player but can a 19 year old that is a converted point run that team. Law is the more mature guy that would be ready to step in right away and is a better passer and shooter. Javaris has a bigger upside, but Atlanta needs some stability and court presense now.
So, there's two teams that will probably screw up, the Sixers are always another good candidate. And then there's the Celtics....

Posted by: GM | June 5, 2007 5:28 PM

GM, thanks for the narration, but keep it to yourself. Otherwise, you're going to whine again like last time and cry that I'm out of control.

Talking about potential draft picks or free agents can go on forever. Then you'd turn into an old windbag like GM. But, no matter what, I would for sure let it be known that Gilby is available for consideration towards any and all possible trade packages for a lottery picks, or for sign and trade for free agents. Caron is clearly the MVP on this team, and one who embraces leadership and responsibility.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 5, 2007 6:02 PM

Ah yep. Thanks for reminding me why I rarely waste my time on here, gents.

But if we're gonna play the game of 'whose is bigger?' why not relate it to basketball --here, argue about the physical dimensions of the prospects. Whose is bigger:

http://www.draftexpress.com/viewarticle.php?a=2095

DJ Strawberry measured out as the most well-rounded athlete in the contest.

Jeff Green is 6'9" in shoes.

Chris Richard has the arms of an orangutan.

---
Y'all feel free to come on by the realgm.com/boards Wiz forum for both intelligent debate.

And if youn's like Cro-magnon smack talk, we've got a thread just for insulting each other -- so it doesn't clutter up the actual conversation.

http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=607392&start=0&sid=786a42454028666f3d5b680f66538966

If you stop by, read the Board Convetions at the top of the Forum start, and feel free to use the 'Introduce yourself' thread to announce your arrival.

http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=170410&start=216&sid=368bb78958fd0f49e926807d2b5c8a30

-doc

Posted by: doclink | June 5, 2007 6:46 PM

Seventeen striaght posts without a word about basketball a new record! There's a place online for that kind of thing it called MySpace. This isn't someone's personal site, it's for discussing Wizards Basketball. I think today's topic was actually the playoffs not getting off in someone's coffee.
But what ever turns you on, which does appear to be getting in online fights. The rest of us would like to talk about the draft, trades, NBA Basketball and the team we support and other stuff that seems to bore you. Go somewhere else and pick your fights.
And whining, how about the night that you were drunk or high or both and spent the night whining about the big bet you lost when Gilbert missed those free throws in the playoffs! And how you lost your girl friend. Bo Who!
So for the more recent posters here that's why we listen to this constant Gilbert hate over and over.
Why not troll over to MySpace and see if you can pick up a teenage girl so we can talk about basketball.
Micheal warned you, Ivan should throw you off the site so the rest of us don't have to read this inane garbage!

Posted by: GM | June 5, 2007 6:50 PM

The old Geriatric Man windbag chimes in again. Nobody put a gun to your head GM, so if it bothers you, don't read it. Don't want to get on Myspace. Might see Lefty's profile with barn pictures of your wife.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 5, 2007 9:17 PM

B-Rev, Got to agree with your thought that the Wizards are alot better offensively than the Cav's but worse on defense. The good news is that defense can be improved with effort and additude.
The best news is Gilbert's statement of the team needing to improve on defense. Sometimes a disappointing ending to a season can make a player a better team leader. I'm old enough to remember when people were leveling many of the same things at Jordan that I hear today about Gilbert, right down to he was more concerned about himself and marketing then winning.
Next year will tell alot about Gilbert's career. Each year in the league he's worked to make himself a better player and he has added to his game each offseason. This offseason he needs to see if he add the dimension to his game of making his teammates better as well.
The way that the Wizards can take the biggest step this offseason is good old fashion defense and rebounding. Pecherov will help there but a team commitment to improving in this area will bring about the fastest improvement. It's interesting that Jordan was about the same age as Arenas when the Bulls finally became a dominate defensive team.
Offseason moves will be important, but the core coming back with a chip on their shoulder about how this year ended will be even bigger. If this team would have been healthy and have learned to rebound and get a few more stops they could have been in the finals.
These guys should be tasting that all summer and should come back hungery and be thinking one more rebound, one more stop, one more loose ball per game can make a hugh difference.
That's the way Pop has the Spurs thinking and it's the way every great team all the way back to the old Celtics have won.

Posted by: GM | June 5, 2007 10:27 PM

Thanks doc but there is still enough basketball talk over here to get it done. You just have to wade through the other stuff.
As to what you posted on GM, I thought I read some place that Splitter was going to come over here this year and that he didn't have much of a buyout. I am not to crazy about drafting another Euro player who won't at least have a chance to play for the Wizards this year.
I really hope Law IV and Critteneton aren't both gone by the time the Wizards go. I am not a big fan of Spencer Hawes he just looks like a stiff to me. I think the comparison to Big Country is apt in many aspects.
I guess it is good thing Ernie is holding his cards so close to the vest, it seems the projections for the Wizards are all over the place. It just makes it hard for us to figure out what the Wizards are going to do.

Posted by: George Templeton | June 5, 2007 11:09 PM

Saddened to hear about the death of Charles Johnson, better known as CJ. Along with Bobby Dandridge he was the real catalyst for that Bullets championship. I can still see him nailing that jumper coming around a pick. Unfortunate that this was a news story that was second fiddle to someone in the front office getting passed over for a job. My condolences to his family and friends.

LJ

Posted by: Death of CJ | June 5, 2007 11:37 PM

George,I read that Splitter has the opt out for sure next year and that his agent has informed them of his intention to come to the NBA. He is trying to negotiate a buyout this summer, sometimes Euro teams are open to the idea if they can pocket some extra money for a guy that's a lame duck.
On some of those teams the fans really ride a guy that has announced he won't resign. Their fans aren't as open and agreeable to free agency as we are, saying you're leaving your team is kind of like treason to them.
What I do like is the idea of adding two tough young 7' guys that work hard on the boards, have good hands, and are good passers to our team. Ernie took a trip to Spain for something this season and I think the sightseeing he did was in gyms. And he may have happened to run into Navarro and Splitter's agents so he might have a little more info then the rest of us.
Whatever he knows he sure isn't leaking to anyone. I've read reports of Navarro's buyout being from 2m to 10m and Ernie's not made any move to clarify. The guy must be one heck of a poker player, but that's what we need this time of year.

Posted by: GM | June 5, 2007 11:54 PM

Thanks for posting about Charles Johnson. Really sorry to hear about his death. Was a big part of that Championship team. Bobby D and the Big E and Wes and all of the Bullets that kept us as contenders all through the 70's finally broke through and won it all after some tough disappointing losses over the years.
Alot of classy guys and Charles Johnson was one of them. Hate to hear off his passing.

Posted by: GM | June 6, 2007 12:06 AM

Go away, DC woMan88/ Clewiston88/ ClueLessOne. Go back to the ESPN Miami Heat board where you can worship your boy, DWade.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 6, 2007 12:43 AM

Ivan, please ban the vulgar pervert DCMan88 from this board. You've warned him a dozen times, now it's time to ban him.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 6, 2007 12:59 AM

The Redskins front office could take a lesson from Grunfeld on keeping yout intentions quiet, that's for sure.
I can't believe that Navarro's buyout is only $2 mill. Given the avenues the NBA could open to him it would be a lock that he would be over here already, since the Wiz could take care of a 1/4 of that. For him to be even thinking about it, it's got to be at least $5 mill. Just get him over here so he can start producing for the Wizards.

Posted by: George Templeton | June 6, 2007 1:23 AM

GM,
I agree that the key is the attitude of the core. But we can't forget that part of that core is Jordan. What has he learned this year? Last year this time he talked defense and rebounding and within 2 months it was back to a dependence on small ball and the 3 point line. Will the Suns continue to be his model or the Spurs? That question is as important as whether the core players come back hungry.

Posted by: BmoreRev | June 6, 2007 8:03 AM

GM,
I agree that the key is the attitude of the core. But we can't forget that part of that core is Jordan. What has he learned this year? Last year this time he talked defense and rebounding and within 2 months it was back to a dependence on small ball and the 3 point line. Will the Suns continue to be his model or the Spurs? That question is as important as whether the core players come back hungry.

Posted by: BmoreRev | June 6, 2007 8:03 AM

Everybody knows EJ is at the mercy of Gilby, because Gilby has management by the throat. Because of this, and Gilby's lack of production 2nd half of the season, that's why management should move Gilby ASAP and get max value for him before he flames out.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 6, 2007 8:14 AM

Great!! DC Man88 has infected the GM boards now, I won't post his screen name, but its easy to spot him. I encourage everyone to put him on your ignore list until he gets banned by the mods.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 6, 2007 8:56 AM

George that's the difference between an operation run by a front office guy that played the game and worked his way up through the ranks and one that has a Billionaire Boys Club Owner that can't keep his fingers off his toy.
I have to respect Abe Pollin in that it is clear who has the final word in the organization, but he lets his employees do their job. It's pretty clear that Grunfeld is running the basketball side of things and O'Malley does marketing.
If the marketing people were doing things this pre-draft would be run like the Redskins, over there EVERY THING is about marketing and grabbing free press. If there's not a Redskins rumor floating around they'll start a new one.
Joe Gibbs is one of my all time favorite coaches in any sport, I sometimes wonder how he exists in that carnival that Snyder calls an organization. I hope he sticks around and straightens things out over there and get them winning again, but Gibbs and Snyder is kind of like Cuban and Nellie you wonder when the wise old vet will have had enough of working for the rich kid that knows everything.
Ernie is going to make the best move for the basketball team and how it fits into his longterm plan to build a champion. Then O'Malley can market what she's got to work with, draft or trade decisions aren't going to be made by marketing people as long as Ernie's around.

Posted by: GM | June 6, 2007 8:56 AM

"Great!! DC Man88 has infected the GM boards now, I won't post his screen name, but its easy to spot him. I encourage everyone to put him on your ignore list until he gets banned by the mods.

Posted by: | June 6, 2007 08:56 AM "

I think you're obsessed with me. I've told many people many times, I only blog on this website. I don't even know, nor do I care, what a "GM" board is.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 6, 2007 9:18 AM

Ain't it great? Here's something from the recent past that's way too funny. As great an owner Les BouleS have, and as well run a team, and well marketed a team Les BouleS are, you always have ingrate naysayers. (all this said tongue in cheek)


"I asked Arenas last month what he thought the Wizards had to do to appease his wishes. He wouldn't campaign for the Wizards to acquire certain players, but he did say, "If you want a championship, you got to get a championship team."

He added: "I know this might not sound right, but the championship teams treat themselves like champions. You go into Miami's locker room, I'm like, 'Wow, what the hell is this?' Everything from their game-day meals for their players to every state-of-the-art thing you can imagine. As a player, why would you want to leave the locker room? I could sit there all day.

"We've been doing a better job, but it comes down to this: You treat your players like champions, they want to be champions," he added. "All the best teams in the league treat themselves first-class every day. Other players come over and think, 'They got this, they got that. Oh, I want to be here.' "

Whether Arenas was telling Abe Pollin and Ernie Grunfeld to upgrade the Wizards' facilities is up for debate. But he was clearly illustrating how the defending champions take care of their players. How the Wizards interpret Arenas's words gets to the issue of how much leverage stars have in this league."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/24/AR2007042402488.html


So, so, sooooooo funny........this coming from your superstar and franchise poster boy. Pollin better open up his tight pocket book and take Gilby shopping for new furniture and electronics at Best Buy, or risk Gilby walking out after 2008. You have to treat him like a champion, if you want him to be a champion. That, or trade him outright this season!


Posted by: DC Man88 | June 6, 2007 9:37 AM

GM, I disagree with you about the Skins in recent times. Really have not heard any rumors out of them this past offseason...the rumors that were floating came from the media who had nothing better to talk about. In my opinion, they are trying to be more close-mouthed.

Posted by: Lisa | June 6, 2007 9:54 AM

B-Rev, I agree, Stern keeps saying that he wants a more wide open style of play in the playoffs. His Refs start out every year calling the games and pointing out to the players how the league wants them called this year. Then along about the Allstar game they go back to calling them like they always did.
By the playoffs the games are being called so that teams built like the Spurs, Pistons and now the Cavaliers will advance. I don't think it will ever really change no matter how hard Stern tries, so you need to build a team to play in the playoffs, not for the regular season because there are now two decided different ways games are being called.
And if you're not prepared for it and let it get in your head like the Suns and the Mav's have the last two years you'll be sitting at home watching somebody else's.
That's why I like the idea of adding Pecherov and a guy like Splitter, we need to get tougher inside for the playoffs. And Jordan needs to have big options on the bench and learn to use them and rely less on small ball.

Posted by: GM | June 6, 2007 9:59 AM

As revered and god-like Gibbs is in this part of town, it has eroded over these past few years. Just this past month, he lost even more crediblity when he remarked one week that he hasn't heard from Sean Taylor all offseason and ST has not returned his calls. Then the following week, he calls Sean Taylor one of the team's leaders for the franchise. Whatever Joe.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 6, 2007 10:09 AM

Okay I must admit, I don't even follow Wiz basketball, my dad does but this post is fun to read about others insight on the game and i check it daily. But the flamming back and forth is kind of middle schoolish. I don't care if Dc Man88 flames me for posting this, but seriously stop it. This board is fun and has me interested in basketball news. When you take a cheap shot at someone like lisa as you did in Ivan's jogging article, you mentioned something and I'm glad the mods deleted before anyone else saw what it was. It disgust me how you take such personal shots at people. I'm not trying to get offensive or get into any war with you but i feel like others, don't bring your crap here. Referring to Lisa being picked up in a bus..... yeah dude, you're pretty out of it. Taking a ... in coffee.. grow up please because I like to read this forum about my hometown team, even if i'm not a basketball fan. I don't come here to listen to negative post after negative post. Later.

Posted by: Toneto2722 | June 6, 2007 10:18 AM

I am sorry I brought up the Redskins, because now we have Redskins conversation on the Wizards. Lets not have that! And yes GM you are correct that Ernie is in control and that is why this franchise has operated very smartly since he got here, but is Pollin's fear of the luxury tax going to cut into Ernie's ability to improve this team. That is the $64 question.

Posted by: George Templeton | June 6, 2007 10:21 AM

Toneto,

Why would I flame you? The only thing really missing from your observation is that there were many personal attacks initially against me that I responded to. It takes two to tango, and if you read and observe closely, you'll see it. People on this blog love Gilby, and can't stand to see anything negative about him even if he put it on himself, like his "championship" quote.

For example, my recent exchange with College Educated didn't involve GM at all. But then, this old goat decided to chime in with a page of personal attacks against me up to and including something about a girlfriend at a bar. Was that even necessary, especially since my dialogue with College Educated didn't involve him?

With regard to the jogging post, I mentioned that I read Ivan was moving. Then someone blasted me about gated communities keeping thugs like me out. Huh?

You see, again, it takes two to tango, so you need to share your blame with others.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 6, 2007 10:30 AM

DC Man88-

Pls.excuse me, you are a "forgetful thug", as you can't even remember what you post...you wrote that Ivan was probably moving into a gated community like Wilbon...

Posted by: WaPo Reader- | June 6, 2007 10:54 AM

Seriously, dude has got like 30-40% of the posts on here.

Is there anyway he can be ignored so I don't have to filter through all his crap?

Posted by: DC Man88 is a jerk | June 6, 2007 11:01 AM

WaPo Reader,

I wrote that he was probably moving into a "gated community like Wilbon" based on my perception that Ivan was doing a great job at the Post and is heading towards success like Wilbon which has afforded him the money to live in a nice, gated community. Tony K. gave Wilbon this jab a few weeks ago on PTI.

That was my intention in mentioning "gated community" in that my opinion is Ivan has done a heckuva job doing the BouleS beat and doing this blog and his online chat. Did it deserve your interjection about gated communities keeping thugs like me out. Was that necessary? No it wasn't.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 6, 2007 11:08 AM

"Seriously, dude has got like 30-40% of the posts on here.

Is there anyway he can be ignored so I don't have to filter through all his crap?

Posted by: DC Man88 is a jerk | June 6, 2007 11:01 AM "

I represent 30-40% of the posts, but aiming for 50%. Thank you. Given that, I'm one of the few on this blog who are in touch with reality about Gilby and the state of Les BouleS, and their management team/ownership.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 6, 2007 11:11 AM

gilbert has always made those around him better...larry had is career year with the wiz...wut has he done with the big crybaby(bron bron)...big z was an allstar before the big crybaby...now he is not...caron was with kobe and never was an allstar...but now with gilbert he is...for those of u who feel losing gilbert and caron was not a blow are just completely ignorant...i mean san antonio would not be the same without duncan and ginobili...no team would be able to do wut the wizards did without their top two players...their one solid contributer away from a finals appearance...that and some d...i hate the fact that they r bad at d because d comes down to just plain effort...they could be a middle of the pack defensive team if they exerted just effort....i hope the wiz sign carlisle as an assistant...he's known for good defensive philosophy...they def. need a defensive coordinator

Posted by: GdotArenas | June 6, 2007 11:23 AM

Carlisle as an assistant would be a good move but I don't think Eddie Jordan would sign off on it. He seems to like his coaching staff as is. Last year he was encouraged to hire a defensive coach and he didn't do it. He may feel like it undermines his authority or something.

And if anyone is interested, possible Wiz draft pick Jason Smith performed very well in the pre-draft workouts. He had the fastest time in some lane drill and had a 37.5" vertical, although his reach was measured a little short.

Posted by: College Educated | June 6, 2007 11:32 AM

Last I checked, Larry Hughes has advanced into the playoffs every year since he left here. Where is Larry now? Oh, the NBA finals. Where's Gilby and his all star credentials? Licking his wounds.

I'd take a championship title or at least having played in the championship game over any all star vote (popularity contest) anyday.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 6, 2007 11:36 AM

Last I checked, Larry Hughes has advanced into the playoffs every year since he left here. Where is Larry now? Oh, the NBA finals. Where's Gilby and his all star credentials? Licking his wounds.

I'd take a championship title or at least having played in the championship game over any all star vote (popularity contest) anyday.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 6, 2007 11:36 AM

DCman88, dude or lady, what is your problem with Gil. Has he personally done something to you or what? He is the first true AllStar the Wiz has had in a while. He is not perfect and is still growing, but he clearly has brought a spark back to the arena and he is an all around good guy and gives back to the community. I am all for constructive criticisms and what not, but enough of the hate. Gil will not be traded nor do I or many other fans want to see him go, so, why don't you lay off him and say something that means something. And another thing, enough of that "Les Boules" crap, it is getting old and people who happent to come and read here once in a while are sick of reading it. Everyone keeps calling you a guy but a couple of the post I read yesterday leads me to believe that you are female. There are some words men don't use.

Posted by: LIlWiz | June 6, 2007 11:48 AM

I hope going into the draft that Grunfeld is prepared for guys who might drop. Last year, it seems that he had made a promise to Pecherov, so when Marcus Williams dropped, he stuck with Pecherov. This year, I hope he makes no promises and at least brings in guys who potentially may drop so he can make an informed decision when the time comes.
Guys who might drop:
1. Spencer Hawes. He's been projected as a top 10 pick for a while, but after the combine, showing horrible athleticism and strength, he might plummet a bit. His skills might be a good fit for the Wizards offense, though, and it's hard to pass on a center who can play. I hope EG gets this guy in for a workout.
2. Yi Jianlian. If his workouts go well, he could go really high. If he struggles a bit, I imagine many teams with higher picks will hesitate on him. If he drops to 12 and Philly doesn't take him, N. Orleans has a bunch of young PFs, the Clips have Brand and Tim Thomas, and I can't imagine Joe Dumars will pick another foreign power forward. So he could be there at 16.
3. Joakim Noah. He can't really drop to 16, can he? I can see teams not being sure whether Noah will be effective on the next level. But I also think he would be quite marketable, so he might not drop too far.
4. Brandon Wright. Maybe the 3rd pick, but I've been reading grumblings by scouts about his limited skills, and his combine results showed he's not a great athlete either. Probably no way he drops to 16 though.
5. Al Thornton. A stud, but a tweener. He wouldn't have to fall far to get to 16. Detroit has someone like him in Maxiell already.

Posted by: Henry | June 6, 2007 11:50 AM

LIlWiz you said it!! was wondering if they might be a rejected chick Gil may have rebuffed - didn't want to hook up with at some club you know?You know how that happens. As they say: Hell hath no fury like a DCmann88 scorned.

They gives no love to the dude - I mean
"OBSESSED!! Seriously!! If somebody writes on here Arenas appeared at verizon..DC dude is guaranteed to put some negative spin on it...LOL the more I think about it - you're right...its rejection - a ejected obsessed fan personified!! probably got Gil's posters plastered all over their crib... This is heavy..

Posted by: Skip | June 6, 2007 12:17 PM

There are way too many personal attacks on this blog. It's just wrong, and I sure as heck would never do such a thing.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 6, 2007 12:20 PM

Strange....he is complaining about personal attacks when all he does is personally attack Gilbert, the bloggers, and basically the entire Wizards team. Spends far too much time on a blog for a team he does not even like. But then again, he likes no one.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 6, 2007 1:21 PM

Lisa, You're right I do think Gibbs is gaining control of the football side of things. But that whole Bragg thing had the smell of Snyder all over it. But it was good news that they didn't make another big money move.
As quiet as things have been I actually think is a good sign. That's the way Joe always ran things in the past.

Posted by: GM | June 6, 2007 1:25 PM

"Strange....he is complaining about personal attacks when all he does is personally attack Gilbert, the bloggers, and basically the entire Wizards team. Spends far too much time on a blog for a team he does not even like. But then again, he likes no one.

Posted by: | June 6, 2007 01:21 PM "

What I've provided is an unbiased critique of Gilby. If anyone has anything else to say about Gilby to refute my points, besides the fact that he got into the all star game and people chanted for him to be the MVP this season, then bring it on. Otherwise, get over your hero worship.

Also, I challenge you to find a blurb on this blog where I have bashed the other players on Les BouleS. Bloggers on this site can't get over their personal love fest for him, so that's why they are like you, upset that someone doesn't agree with them. Too bad. Again, stop focusing on me, and focus on Les BouleS.

Go BouleS Go!!!

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 6, 2007 1:26 PM

What an idiot! Not even worth any more words.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 6, 2007 1:32 PM

henry, i've been secretly praying that Yi somehow drops to us. let's get international like the spurs.. ;-)

Posted by: hmmmmm | June 6, 2007 1:36 PM

Thank god....

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 6, 2007 1:45 PM

DCman88 are you back on here harassing people again today? I would of thought a nice sunny day you'd taken the car and took your girl friend out for a ride.
Oh, Sorry I forgot, you lost your car and your girlfriend when Gilbert missed thoose free throws and ruined your high roller bet. At least that's what you posted on here when you were wasted...
You know I used to hate LeBron for getting away with that playground stunt. But now everytime I see him play I got to chuckle now because of, how many thousand dollars did you say you layed on that game?????
So for you more recent posters, that is the saga of DCman88 and his love of our star Gilbert, who as much as he hates it is going no where.
And by the way about your barn fantasy. Barns are not places you take a roll in the hay like in porn movies. Anybody that ever has been on a farm could tell you the last place they'd have sex is in a barn.
And Lefty was one hell of a nice man and a hell of a basketball coach, not many better, so keep him and my wife out of your perverted little mind.
Keep banging thoose keys, by the way which hand do you type with?

Posted by: GM | June 6, 2007 1:51 PM

GM, I actually feel bad for Lefty. You bartered her in order to get court side seats to watch the team PRACTICE! See, there were no lights in that barn when he met up with your wife, and because of that, he couldn't tell whether he was grabbing your wife or a beast of burden. Probably smelled the same regardless, and felt the same.

Moooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 6, 2007 2:10 PM

OO yes the loss of ONE all star will not cause any harm to a team. They should be fine... And then the loss of another player who is considered to be the best combo guard in the NBA...during playoffs of all times (with also the loss of another all star)...they shouldn't be swept. Yet they were quite impressive. AD may have a ring and he is quite savvy but he does not replace the production of Gilby (as Garbage Hayes and Andray Blatche does not replace caron).

Lebron may have came out of h.s. but he was the most hyped player to come into the draft...and all he did was live up to the hype. He is one of the top offensive players in the NBA. Gilby may have spent two years at Zona, but when he came into the NBA, he was ONLY 19.

And you compare the youth of other teams to the youth of the Wizards...but you do not take into account the fact that Miami will be CRIPPLED by the contract of both Shaq and Walker soon enough. Atlanta still HAS no point guard (they may get one through this draft but they will be too young to lead ATl anywhere. Charlotte is still a superstar away (not to mention they will probably lose Gerald Wallace this off season). ANd what you mention about magic ...not very impressive outside of Howard (Nelson is okay and come on Turk & Reddick???) Overall the Wizards have the best combination of youth and skills in the Southeast division.

Posted by: Terpin It | June 6, 2007 2:40 PM

Like I told you months ago didn't even know my wife when I was at Maryland so your barn fantasy is for you and you only. Nobody else is getting their Jollys reading your garbage so it's entirely for self gratification. So keep banging those keys and remember tomorrow night when King James smiles, how many thousand was it he took out of your pocket?????
I didn't make that stuff up you typed it.......As you told somebody yesterday go back and check it out......

Posted by: GM | June 6, 2007 2:58 PM

I normally don't lower myself into Mr. DCman88's tirades, but occassionally he needs to be reminded of some of his posts from the past. I didn't make up any of this stuff it came straight from his posts.
There's also time that he was whining on here about Gilbert being stuck up because he stopped answering his daily E-mails.
The rest of us shouldn't have to put up with his crap just because we want to talk about Wizards Basketball and the NBA.
I'd like to start an online petition to ban him from the site. Vote yes to ban DCman88 today!
I'd like to start by voting YES

Posted by: GM | June 6, 2007 3:17 PM

As old as you are, you are very gullible. I wrote no such thing with regard to anything about bets, wagers, cars, girlfriends, emails, etc. If I can just as easily write "GM" in the name block before inputting a comment, then the same can be said about someone else using my name and making crazy comments.

As you can probably realize, I'm much more of a target for these crazy posts than you are, so if you seriously think I wrote all that stuff about myself, you are more dumb than gullible.

BTW, don't start something with me, uprovoked, and then cry about getting me banned when I respond with words not to your liking. You started it, you asked for it.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 6, 2007 3:40 PM

Just because you Gilby loving fools can't handle my comments, don't cry about getting me banned. Just don't read it or fukc off!!

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 6, 2007 4:20 PM

DC Man88 Thug-

You always refer to Ivan, Wilbon and Tony K. as if you know them...what a joke!

If you think for a minute Ivan would live in a gated community, you are dead wrong!

Posted by: WaPo Reader- | June 6, 2007 10:35 PM

"DC Man88 Thug-

You always refer to Ivan, Wilbon and Tony K. as if you know them...what a joke!

Posted by: WaPo Reader- | June 6, 2007 10:35 PM "


Does it bother you? If so, too bad. Your problem.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 7, 2007 8:46 AM

"Last I checked, Larry Hughes has advanced into the playoffs every year since he left here. Where is Larry now? Oh, the NBA finals. Where's Gilby and his all star credentials? Licking his wounds.

I'd take a championship title or at least having played in the championship game over any all star vote (popularity contest) anyday."

thats fine for u...so i guess we know ur answer to the question would u rather be the worst player on a championship team or the best player on a bad one...so i guess according to ur standard...parker is a better player than lebron...way better...so is antonio mcdyess...but i'm guessing u dont really feel that way...u have a double standard when it comes to the big crybaby

Posted by: GdotArenas | June 7, 2007 9:30 AM

You are witness yourself.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

You can have a continuous debate with yourself about who's better than whom, but the bottom line is who's got the rings and who's making big contributions to their team's success in the playoffs. That's what counts, not BS all star games, which you seem to be obsessed with. It's ridiculous that you even mention the all star game. Yao Ming was hurt most of the first half of the season and was still voted in as a starter. Therefore AS game = popularity contest. Deal with it.

Just to humor you, your hero Gilby said he was going to win the AS game MVP and win the 3 point contest? What happened? He came back home with a bum shoulder which ruined his 2nd half of Les BouleS' season, lost his stroke, and ended up with what, 8 points in the game? Bummer.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 7, 2007 10:07 AM

Also, I don't know if you were part of the debate earlier this season on this blog where Gilby, after hitting the game winning shot in an away game, took off his jersey in Cleveland and wanted people to "trample" over each other to get to it. He was "disappointed" that no one did.

Here is a blurb on this nutcase and how his ego is out of control. Enjoy it:

"He also described his ideal shoe commercial like this:

" You know how I always throw my jersey into the stands after a game? In Washington, they just go crazy for it. So in this commercial, that's what I'm gonna do with my shoes. I've just hit a game winner, and I throw these shoes. Everyone starts to react, and you see everything in slow motion. Everyone's pushing, shoving, doing whatever it takes to try to get to these shoes. People from the 400 level, they're jumping off the ledge, they're missing the pile, hitting nothing but chairs, and you can just see in people's faces like, Ooooh, that hurt. While all this stuff's going on, one of the shoes pops out of the crowd, and a little girl gets it and she takes off. A couple of people see she has it, and they start chasing her, and she's looking back running--and then she gets clotheslined by a kid in a wheelchair. So he picks the shoe up and says--he's gonna have the only line in there--"They said I couldn't get it. Heh. Impossible is nothing." And then he rolls off.[13] "

People jumping off the 400 level and hurting themselves for his jersey? A little girl gets closelined? You can't tell me his fantasy is not sick.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 7, 2007 10:10 AM

After all your CRAZY rantings, you think Gilbert is sick? Look in the mirror.

Posted by: Lisa | June 7, 2007 11:43 AM

Takes one to know one.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 7, 2007 12:22 PM

We're probably taking Jason Smith if he's available at 16. He fits a need, and appearantly he has worked out really well. He's tested well in drills, and seems to be very athletic. He's a big with offensive skills.

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