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The Cavs in the Finals? Unbelievable

The milk spilled more than two months ago, but is it too late to cry over it? I must say that I am stunned - stunned - that the Cleveland Cavaliers are the Eastern Conference representative in the NBA Finals. I was talking to some reporters that cover teams in the East on Saturday and we agreed that at no point before the Cavaliers faced Detroit in the conference finals did any of us believe that the Cavaliers would be in the NBA Finals.

We all knew that LeBron James was a phenomenal talent, but his team wasn't that good. But right there in the fourth quarter of Game 6, as some dude named "Boobie" drained wide-open three-pointer after wide-open three-pointer and Rasheed Wallace detonated, the Cavaliers jumped to the front of the line in the East.

So what am I getting at? You probably guessed it already. But I'm thinking that if Gilbert Arenas and Caron Butler were healthy, the Wizards could've come out of the East. I know that is a ridiculous statement to make at this stage of the season. But seriously, the East truly was up for grabs, because about four or five teams in the East probably felt like they should be in Cleveland's shoes right now.

Seeing Cleveland earn to right to get slaughtered by San Antonio probably forces fans in Washington, Chicago, Miami, and yes, Detroit, to cringe. The Cavaliers have a tendency of playing to the level of the competition, but you have to figure that if the Wizards had been able to get Arenas and Butler back healthy for their first round series, they would've knocked off Cleveland. It doesn't matter now, but wow. The Cavaliers are in the NBA Finals.

What does the Finals matchup between the Cavaliers and Spurs say about the NBA? That luck takes you a mighty long way. Not to take anything away from Danny Ferry in Cleveland and RC Buford and Gregg Popovich in San Antonio (the Spurs have been the model organization for about 10 years with their ability to build teams from untapped talent pools such as Europe), but where would either team be without winning the No. 1 pick?

Detroit president Joe Dumars spent years building a championship caliber team from the ground up, and the Utah's underappreciated general manager Kevin O'Connor both built teams through some shrewd draft choices (Tayshaun Prince/Deron Williams), some risky free agent signings (Carlos Boozer and Mehmet Okur/Chauncey Billups) and some gutsy trades (Derek Fisher/Rasheed Wallace), but when it came down to the conference finals, they simply couldn't slow down the best player on the floor.

(Doesn't that Darko draft pick just look worse and worse?)

Now the reason I think San Antonio beats Cleveland rather easily is not because I don't think Cavaliers belongs there. They earned it - with the help of the Curse O' Le Boulez and the league's stupid seeding which kept them from facing Miami or Chicago in the first two rounds. But I think Cleveland struggles because LeBron won't always be the best player on the floor. Tim Duncan is not the most entertaining player in the NBA. He doesn't make the ESPN highlights. But he just gets it done. I think he gets it done again.

I know everyone is ready to annoint James the King, but I still think he only had three great games against Detroit. The other three ranged from all right (Game 6) to awful (Game 1). James might be the singular talent to dominate the East for years to come, but he made a great point that one man cannot win a championship by himself. Magic needed Kareem. Michael needed Scottie. Larry needed McHale and Parrish. Isiah needed Joe. LeBron has. . .Boobie?

On a side note: If I'm Kevin Garnett, Pau Gasol, Zach Randolph, Rashard Lewis, Mike Bibby, Elton Brand or anybody else from a non-playoff team out West, I'm demanding a trade to the Eastern Conference this summer because the chances of getting a ring increase dramatically by leaving the West. The East will be up for grabs for awhile - at least until James and Dwyane Wade decide that they will be the only guys to reach the Finals the next 10 years.

By Michael Lee  |  June 6, 2007; 3:12 PM ET
 
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Posted by: GM | June 6, 2007 3:26 PM | Report abuse

"But I'm thinking that if Gilbert Arenas and Caron Butler were healthy, the Wizards could've come out of the East. ..."

"...The Cavaliers have a tendency of playing to the level of the competition..."

But don't stop there, ML. There were other factors that hampered the Wiz coming out of the blocks, such as:

* Songaila's injury
* Overall lack of cohesion on D
* Over-reliance on jumpers without establishing any kind of interior offensive presence or board coverage
* Inconsistent post play
* Taking undermanned teams/unknown players lightly (Denver w/o 'Melo, NYK, ATL, GS, CHA; Ruben Patterson, Zaza Pachulia come to mind); and
* Fading in the stretch of too many close games (CLE, NOK, MIA).

Not even mentioning the Wiz got swept by NJ this year in the regular season and then the Butler/Arenas injuries kicked in.

The Wiz could have been in the finals -- but it would have taken a lot more pieces for it to come together than just beating Cleveland.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 6, 2007 3:39 PM | Report abuse

I vote to take her off line too!

Posted by: LilWiz | June 6, 2007 3:39 PM | Report abuse

I vote to take her off line too!

Posted by: LilWiz | June 6, 2007 3:39 PM | Report abuse

That was me on the second post. Sorry for leaving the name off!

Posted by: iceberg | June 6, 2007 3:42 PM | Report abuse

The only way Les BouleS could advance to the Finals is if they played the way they played during the first half of the season, before ASW. Even during the 2nd half, they had 2 of 3 of their all stars, but still tanked most of the 2nd half. Gilby could not do anything without BOTH of his fellow all stars in the game. Too bad.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 6, 2007 3:49 PM | Report abuse

GM- you can definitely count me in....

Posted by: Lisa | June 6, 2007 4:03 PM | Report abuse

All I can say is maybe Michael Lee, maybe. I mean at full strength they lost to the Cavs last year in six games with 3 1-point losses, so who knows if that turns around or not.
Will the Wizards realize that they have gone as far as they can with Gilbert running the point and move him to the 2 spot? Will the arrvial of Pecherov, increased playing time for Blatche (I hope!) and a draft choice/trade for another big man make them tough enough inside to win this conference. Even with the return of a full strength Wade, the East is still wide open next year.

Posted by: George Templeton | June 6, 2007 4:20 PM | Report abuse

The Cavs beat the Pistons and, even with Gilbert and Caron, I think the Pistons are a better team than the Wiz. So how would the Wizards beat the Cavs in the Playoffs? I don't see it.

Posted by: SteveH | June 6, 2007 4:28 PM | Report abuse

No harm meant, but you guys need a dose of reality. The Cavs SWEPT the Wizards. Yes, you were undermanned but that's what you do to an undermanned team, you sweep them and move on. The games were close because the Cavs were not challenged, and played enough to win. As you said "the Cavaliers have a tendency of playing to the level of the competition".

To assume that you would have beaten the Cavs with your stars healthy, how do you justify that assumption? What about the regular season? What about last year's playoffs with your stars? Yes your team has improved since then, but so have the Cavs. Last year Larry was not a factor in the playoffs, Sasha barely made it off the bench and Boobie was still at Texas.

The growth of LeBron from year-to-year has been phenomenal, every year he adds so much more to his game and also makes his teammates better.

The Wizards are a good competitive team when healthy, but they don't play D, rebound, or have a guy who can take over a game like LeBron. And no, Gil is not on that level. Don't disillusion yourselves into thinking that you are a contender today, and should be sitting in the Cav's spot in the finals if not for injuries. Face reality and don't be haters. You still need to add some pieces to your team to get to that level.

Posted by: C-Town | June 6, 2007 4:29 PM | Report abuse

WELCOME BACK MIKE LEE!!!!!!

Its so great to have you back...

Seems we're attempting an "eviction" @ the moment.... to be continued..

Now, back to your comments:

"On a side note: If I'm Kevin Garnett, Pau Gasol, Zach Randolph, Rashard Lewis, Mike Bibby, Elton Brand or anybody else from a non-playoff team out West, I'm demanding a trade to the Eastern Conference this summer because the chances of getting a ring increase dramatically by leaving the West."

Mike, being one of my favorite national sports writer - Of the names above you listed; to what team would you place them and why?

For instance - Kevin Garnett to Clippers.
Does that make them "stronger competitors? or KG to New Jersey? Randolph to New Jersey?

Your unbiased opinion please!!!!!

Also, regard Spurs v. Cavs? Not fan of either. Ummm in my humble non-prof opinion - Cavs nor Detroit were very "consistent" so there's really no compass to gage Cavs ability. The Pistons never appeared "dominating at any point to me this year. They played well but didn't truly dominate. Something is lacking in/on a team when "one" man is able take your main 3 players captive then bring in his nameless and faceless troops to render you helpless. They became unglued too quickly for a so called "dominating force." Their defense was as weak as the New Orleans levies.

That said: The one fairly consistent team who also showed their "nasty side" against Suns: San Antonio. I'm not a big fan but they were sleepers at start of season. Initially losing quite a bit then at peaked @ the right time. You can see it in their eyes.

Posted by: Robin | June 6, 2007 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Answer to Les BouleS woes:

TRADE GILBY ARENAS!!!!!!

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 6, 2007 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Michael Lee sounds more like a fan with rose-colored glasses than a sportswriter. Wiz in the finals? Very slim chance at best. Gilbert is not good enough on D to carry them against the tougher opponents.

Lee should know better than to drink the kool-aid. Just give the Cavaliers credit and realize they're a better team than you thought. Some of us had them in the finals from day 1. They were the #2 seed in the East after all, they won 50 games for the second year in a row, and anyone who watched them closely knew they were improved over last season.

If the Wiz play their cards right they may have another chance against the Cavs next year.

Posted by: Alex | June 6, 2007 4:46 PM | Report abuse

It's pretty darn obvious that C Town is a Cavs fan....

I watched every playoff game between the Cavs/Pistons and it seemed to me the Pistons just did not bring it....they were not their usual selves. That is why the Cavs won.

Posted by: Lisa | June 6, 2007 4:53 PM | Report abuse

"it seemed to me the Pistons just did not bring it....they were not their usual selves. That is why the Cavs won."


Lisa-

The Pistons didn't bring it because the Cavs prevented them from bringing it. They gave Chauncey Billups fits, and as it turns out they are a team (like most) where if you cut off the head, the body dies. Your post is why I say people around here just don't give the Cavs credit for taking the Pistons down. It was more about what the Cavs did than what the Pistons didn't do, as evidenced by the one-sided victory in the clincher. Remember- the Pistons blew the Cavs out in games 1 and 2 last playoffs but this year's Cavs are improved.

Posted by: Alex | June 6, 2007 5:02 PM | Report abuse

I agree with Iceberg's post. Sure, the Wizards could have had a shot against Cleveland if healthy, but there were too many holes with this team to think they would prevail against Cleveland, NJ and Detroit. Not this year at least.

Posted by: Sean | June 6, 2007 5:54 PM | Report abuse

"it seemed to me the Pistons just did not bring it....they were not their usual selves. That is why the Cavs won."

Lisa, think about what you're saying, how could the Pistons just not be themselves for the Conference Finals? The Pistons are not some average team. They're the most experienced team in the east, having been in the finals for the past 5 years. They fought hard to put themselves in that position again this year, and were healthy and prepared.

They threw everything they had at the Cavs, but in the end the more talented team won. The Pistons main mistake was in underestimating the Cavs early. That allowed LeBron and the James gang to gain confidence when they realized in games 1 and 2 that they are, at this point better than the Pistons.

Don't be surprised to see the finals with San Antonio go down to the wire and the Cavs win. Remember, LeBron is still learning, and improves his game each time out. He may not even realize how good he can be yet.

Posted by: C-Town | June 6, 2007 6:01 PM | Report abuse

C Town, I'm just calling it like I saw it....Chauncey's shots were not falling....nor were Rip's....Tayshaun could not score to save his life. Although the Cavs played good defense there were lots of open shots the Pistons were simply missing. Rasheed seemed out of it and got tossed. Even made me wonder if the Pistons deliberately shut it down to get Flip fired.

This is just my opinion but that's the way I saw it.

Posted by: Lisa | June 6, 2007 6:12 PM | Report abuse

I totally agree. Credit needs to be given where it's due and Lebron and crew dismantled a game Detroit Pistons team. They had no answer, but instead, were witness to something great. Hahahaha...

Imagine the Cavs suffering a devastating loss of Carlos Boozer who turned his back on the team after giving them his word. Both Larry and Big Z mourning deaths in their family. Not only did they recover, but they are thriving, and will only get better. Biggest reason? Lebron is a team player and leader who knows and embraces his role, who looks to pass before he looks to score, and as he said, he's too mentally tough to choke on the free throw line like someone else we know.

Now we know why some are drafted in the lottery, while others are drafted in the 2nd round.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 6, 2007 9:25 PM | Report abuse

Idiotguy, why don't you go post on the Cavs blog? Surely you would feel more welcome there giving you continually give shout outs to all their players. You certainly are not wanted here.

Oh now I get it.....the Cavs probably threw you off their blog....since according to you they are "winners" - heaven knows they would not want to be stuck with a loser like you.

Posted by: Haditwithidiots | June 6, 2007 10:17 PM | Report abuse

Losers are those that choke on the free throw line and get swept in the playoffs. And what about those that cheer for losers? Even worse. It is you.

You will be witness tomorrow, again. Either from Lebron, a great team player, or Duncan, the consummate professional not desperate for stupid marketing hype.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 6, 2007 10:29 PM | Report abuse

So idiotguy, guess that means you are calling the Mavericks losers - the team with the most wins in the NBA and the MVP Dirk Nowitzki....since they were swept by the Golden State Warriors - a team who barely made it to the playoffs. And the Mavs had all their key players healthy. Yep, that's what you are saying....

Posted by: Haditwithidiots | June 6, 2007 10:38 PM | Report abuse

"On a side note: If I'm Kevin Garnett, Pau Gasol, Zach Randolph, Rashard Lewis, Mike Bibby, Elton Brand or anybody else from a non-playoff team out West, I'm demanding a trade to the Eastern Conference this summer because the chances of getting a ring increase dramatically by leaving the West."

Not quite. Their chances of getting to the Finals increases. But the chances of whichever team wins the weak-ass Eastern Conference over the next few years beating the West champion remain fairly bleak.

Posted by: kalorama | June 6, 2007 11:22 PM | Report abuse

Sorry C-town, but I've gotta side with lisa on this one. As a Detroit native and close follower of the Pistons, I can tell you the question of them playing all-out from the opening tip is hardly a new issue. They been accused of playing "light-switch" basketball for the better part of the past three seasons (basically ever since they won the title), meaning they have a pronounced tendency to cost through games (or seasons or series) and waiting until their backs are against the wall to "flip the switch." The problem there is that if you wait until the last minute to flip the switch, you may belatedly discover that the fuse is shot. That's what happened to Detroit against Cleveland. They played half-assed, disinterested basketball the entire series, including the two games they won, figuring they could turn it on as needed, only to discover the power was out.

Not to take anything away from the Cavs or Lebron, who played well and did what they were supposed to do, but the Pistons didn't put up nearly the kind of challenge they should have. And given their fairly easy path to the Finals (a decimated Wiz team, a weak, donut hole Nets team, and a sleepwalking, emotionally fractured Pistons team) the Cavs may be in for a rude awakening when they tip it up in Texas tomorrow.

Posted by: kalorama | June 6, 2007 11:31 PM | Report abuse

Wait I thought you do not make personal attacks...Yet "And what about those that cheer for losers? Even worse. It is you."

Writing something like that in a WIZARDS BLOG... means you are making personal attacks on all the Wizards fans here.

Gilby may have choked on the free throw line but so not forget all the clutch shots he hit (Chicago game where he hit the shot over Cap'n Kirk AND Tyson Chandler, the shot he hit IN THAT SAME GAME WHERE HE 'CHOKED' when he hit a DEEP three pointer, and the numerous shots he hit this past year like in the Utah game). And yes the Wizards depend more on offense then a normal team because their defense isn't up to par. Therefore a loss of an all star will hurt the team tremendously (as it would any other team). What Lebron did in the playoffs is simply amazing. However, they had A LOT OF HELP. Wizards were playing w/o two all stars. NJ ain't that good. I cannot argue w/ that detroit series. That was pure grit on Lebron and D-Gib's part. However don't say the Wizards will never do anything because of Gilby...He makes the players around him much better (due to the amount of attention he gets). To give you a football comparison, it's like what Randy Moss did for Culpepper back in Minnesota. He drew so much of the attention from the secondary that it became a lot easier for him to pitch the ball around. In that same sense, Gilbert draws soo much of the attention that it makes the life of everyone else a lot better (like Caron...and remember LARRY HUGHES...compare his numbers from his last year in Washington to his time he spent in Cleveland). And don't give me that bull about losing someone. Everyone has tragedies...however people can still play through them. It's really sad but stuff happens (especially about LH's brother...I know a lot of people in Washington can especially sympathize with that because we heard the story about it a lot). But at the end of the day, people can still play through deaths in the family. You cannot play through broken arms and other injuries of that magnitude. And please do not tell me you have an unbiased opinion either. You have definitely a negative view of the Wizards...I dunno why but you just do. I know I look at things about the Wizards from a cup half full perspective but definitely are as negatively biased ad they come. And Cavs suffering a devastating loss of Boozer...PLEASE. Thats like saying he had a devastating loss of Larry Hughes. You can talk about devastating loss int he sense of an injury but not about losing someone to free agency. Thats like us saying...Because of that devastating loss of Larry Hughes...

And truthfully...I do not see the Cavs getting much better. I think their spare parts suck. Drew Gooden should be much better then he shows, Big Z is one year closer to retirement, Mike Brown has the offensive creativity of my left big toe,and LH just does not fit in well w/ Lebron but D-Gib was a very good find for them.

Posted by: Terpin It | June 6, 2007 11:43 PM | Report abuse

Good article Mike. You are just saying what I said the other day: Our Zards could be in the finals if healthy. I have no doubt about that.

But to continue this discussion about the Cavs I think their win over the Pistons says more about where the Pistons are mentally rather than how far the Cavs have come. It seems that they lacked the cohesion and chemistry they once had. It may be as simple as Flip Saunders. I am not sure he has the ear of the team. I think they had a mental lapse rather than a talent deterioration. When they couldn't "turn on the switch" their poor chemistry took over. R Wallace absolutely imploded as the series wound down.

If they stay together, they will come back very hungry and still be the team to beat unless the Cavs make major upgrades.

Let me say it again: I give Labron major props for getting his crew to play defense and go this deep. I wish Gilbert would have the same commitment to the other side of the court. But offensively we are much better than they are, despite our lack of post play. Labron had to be Superman in game 5 for them to win the series. As much as we respect what he did then we know that he's not going to do that 4 times against the Spurs. And Gibson ain't gonna be the answer this time.

Spurs will not take them lightly and I will be shocked if the Cavs win more than one game. I say that because the team in the finals that is even more underrated than the Cavs is the Spurs. All season long folk talked about the Mavs and Suns while the Spurs just quietly kept doing their thing! And when the dust is settled look who is still standing? Those "boring" dudes from Texas.

Posted by: BmoreRev | June 7, 2007 12:03 AM | Report abuse

amazing. I always respected the bullets in the 90's. Despite a week of Lebron hype, these Post idiots still manage to underate the Cavs this year. Take a look at the great Wizards-Cleveland series last year and the Detroit/Cleveland series this year, and you'll see that Cleveland is playing defense. As a long time Cavs fan, I don't know if they can beat the Spurs, but at least you useless Washington sportswriters can give them some respect.

Posted by: charlie | June 7, 2007 12:31 AM | Report abuse

First of all, I did not come on this blog to diss the Wiz. I'm a lifelong Cavs fan and found this by searching for articles about the Cavs. Naturally I'm going to stand up for my team. I know many of you hate Bron as a result of that thing that happened last year with Gil at the free throw line. But I personally have nothing against the Wiz and I give Gil his props.

Cavs fans have been suffering with bad teams for a long time. This is our first trip to the finals. But instead of people patting them on the back and saying congratulations it's your turn, everyone wants to make it like they backed into the championships because all the teams they played were crippled or crazy. Even now, as one of the final two teams left standing, they can't get the respect due. Case in point, when sportswriters like this Michael Lee writes stories saying his team could have been there because they're the better team at full strength... with absolutely no justification.

You say the Cavs can't get any better? Well if you've been watching the games you would know that Bron has gotten better with every series, and he's only 22. If you look at the rest of the core players, Drew is 25, Sasha 23, Anderson 24, Boobie 21, and Larry 28, and Z turned 32 yesterday but with his game, he's still got a few good years left. So this is a young team just coming into their prime.

The Cavs were not even expected to seriously contend for the title until next year, but the rapid development of Bron and the team let them get here a year early. Coach Brown got here in his second year, and remember he learned defense from the master in San Antonio. So don't hate, just admit that they have gotten better and are now the best in the east.

There is no way this team is going to be blown out by the Spurs. The Cavs know how to beat them, they swept them in the regular season. I know this is the playoffs and a different game, but don't underestimate the effect Bron can have on this series. Not just against the Spurs, but also getting the most from his teammates.

Posted by: C-Town | June 7, 2007 12:34 AM | Report abuse

"If they stay together, they will come back very hungry and still be the team to beat unless the Cavs make major upgrades."

Which is the same thing people said after they lost to the Spurs in the Finals 2 years ago, and after they lost to the Heat in the Conf. Finals last year. They didn't show any of that hunger after those defeats. Just the opposite, actually. They started to take winning for granted, like it was a given, and stopped playing with the kind of fire and committment that won them the title.

Given the age of their front line, the lack of quickness/explosiveness in the backcourt (in an NBA where teams are getting quicker and more explosive all around) and their general lack of depth, I don't see the Pistons bouncing back. Odds are that Joe Dumars makes some major changes to the team this summer.

Posted by: kalorama | June 7, 2007 12:36 AM | Report abuse

There is one reason the Pistons didn't bring it completely, Flip Saunders.
The one thing this series proved (if some fans didn't know it already) is that he can't coach a lick. Ben Wallace knew that and that is the biggest reason he skipped town and went to Chicago. If Larry Brown was still the coach, Ben Wallace would still be a Piston and they would be in the NBA Finals period.
The Cavs get their due because the Pistons gave them an opportunity and this time they took it (remember the Cavs had a 3-2 lead last year and lost it). But that doesn't change the fact that the Cavs took advantage of a bad conference weakened by injury. That isn't hatin' that is the truth.
I just hope for two things. One I hope LeBron and the Cavs can make the games entertaining (doubtful since both coaches would prefer ice-pick in the eye, slowdown, isolation basketball). Two I hope my Wizards get a shot at the Cavs in the playoffs next year with both teams having a full deck.

Posted by: George Templeton | June 7, 2007 1:07 AM | Report abuse

I like Duncan for his style and consistency of play,so I'm not bashing him. But I think LeBron is going to take him to school in this series. James has the prize within reach and I think the rest of the guys are getting on board. The Spurs will be faced with a happening before their eyes and that is not an easy thing to which to react effectively under pressure. Gettin' it done will require an ever increasing amount of 'stepping up', and I just don't think anyone on the Spurs can climb to the heights LeBron can play this game. Should be fun.

Posted by: dave | June 7, 2007 1:24 AM | Report abuse

THe run and gun style, while entertaining, didn't produce a champion once again this year. The road to the finals is still paved with great team defense. So until the Wiz can play some consistent defense, and hold one of the top teams in East to roughly 80 pts a game during regulation (like the CAvs did to the Pistons), we're going to be nothing more than an exciting yet non-threatening curiosity.

Posted by: A.John | June 7, 2007 7:33 AM | Report abuse

Terpin it,

I never initiate personal attacks against bloggers. I only respond, when these bloggers know I'm right, can't stand it, so they blast me with personal attacks. Personally, it's fun.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 7, 2007 8:28 AM | Report abuse

"However don't say the Wizards will never do anything because of Gilby...He makes the players around him much better (due to the amount of attention he gets). To give you a football comparison, it's like what Randy Moss did for Culpepper back in Minnesota. He drew so much of the attention from the secondary that it became a lot easier for him to pitch the ball around. In that same sense, Gilbert draws soo much of the attention that it makes the life of everyone else a lot better (like Caron...and remember LARRY HUGHES..."

Never said they won't do anything with Gilby, but look at the results, they speak for themselves. Les BouleS have regressed the last 3 years since Larry left. Don't try to correlate a PG being a team player, running an offense, and sharing the ball vs. teammates getting residual buckets based on double teams on the ballhog. Everybody on the team gets easier baskets with Gilby on the floor because Gilby draws a lot of attention, but what happens to the team when Gilby is off the floor and teams play them straight up? They have no answer because they are used to a ballhog dominating the touches. Reference the Cavs sweep.


"And Cavs suffering a devastating loss of Boozer...PLEASE. Thats like saying he had a devastating loss of Larry Hughes. You can talk about devastating loss int he sense of an injury but not about losing someone to free agency. Thats like us saying...Because of that devastating loss of Larry Hughes..."

Boozer walked out on the Cavs after he promised that he was going to stick around. Big difference. Larry got lowballed, Les BouleS went back on their promise that they were going to do everything possible to keep him, and then they didn't. Larry has moved on to bigger and better, and the rest is history.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 7, 2007 8:37 AM | Report abuse

"So idiotguy, guess that means you are calling the Mavericks losers - the team with the most wins in the NBA and the MVP Dirk Nowitzki....since they were swept by the Golden State Warriors - a team who barely made it to the playoffs. And the Mavs had all their key players healthy. Yep, that's what you are saying....


Posted by: Haditwithidiots | June 6, 2007 10:38 PM "

Hey idiot, if you want to correlate whatever I say about Les BouleS onto another team, then you go right ahead and have fun playing with your own mind trivia. I have no interest talking about Les Mavericks.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 7, 2007 8:41 AM | Report abuse

Was doing a second of research and reflection regarding Cavs v. Spurs. Neither is a favorite for me but for what its worth: Cavs did beat Spurs earlier this year and not by 1 point.

The only team or teams Cavs didn't manhandle was Phoenix, Mavs and a healthy Miami.

They previously beat Detroit as well.

So, I guess they didn't have a really bad year. I didn't pay attention. King James isn't insignificant to me but will give him credit for having the hutzpah to cease the moment, organize his troops and storm forward when the time presented itself.

Posted by: Robin | June 7, 2007 10:10 AM | Report abuse

Sometimes it's more luck involved than anything else. The 78' Bullets were far from the best team of that run of great teams from 69' to 79' but they were the one won the title and they got some lucky breaks.
Last year when Cleveland won a 6 game series with three one point games you'd have to say a little luck broke their way. I'd have to agree that the Pistons seemed off their game in their series the Cav's. But again it took a superhuman effort by LaBron and to have that many close games all break their way you'd have to say Cleveland got lucky.
After all of the times in all of the different sports that lady luck didn't shine on Cleveland maybe this is their year. Sometimes it just happens, the 69' amazing Mets are an example of a team that just seemed to get every lucky break including some horribly blown calls that swung games their way all the way to a world Championship.
But why we're on the subject of lady luck and how it shines on some and leaves others high and dry, back to how many thousand dollars 88'er lost when Gilbert missed those free throws.
Well the story he typed here when he was in one of his online binges was that he'd bet $7,000.00 on one game and lost. Lost his car and his girl friend and $7,000.00 all when LaBron walked up to Gilbert and then Gilbert missed those free throws.
So that's why he hates Gilbert Arenas, the Wizards, and anybody that even likes the Wizards, and spends his life harassing anyone that comes on this Site.
And I didn't make any of this up, he posted it all in one of his nights of drunken(or high or both)online binges. And as he says you can go back and look it up!

Posted by: GM | June 7, 2007 10:44 AM | Report abuse

I must admit, I had an poker binge during college and lost my wife to Lefty's sticky fingers. In that fateful night in the barn between Lefty and my wife, I heard a hog's oinking and squealing all night long. It was rough. I shudder every time I think about it while I'm eating my ham sandwich.

Posted by: GM | June 7, 2007 10:51 AM | Report abuse

The reason Larry Brown is no longer coaching the Pistons is because he was negotiating for another job in the middle of the season with 3 more years left on his contract. He essentially checked out on the team midway through the year. And by the time they reached the playoffs that last year, the team had basically tuned him out, so proclaiming him as the answer to a second title is bit of a stretch. And if Dwayne Wade hadn't gotten hurt midway through the series, odds are the Pistons would have gotten beaten in the Conference Finals by the Heat and never made it back to the Finals (where they lost to the Spurs).

They let the one title they did win go to their heads. They forgot what won it for them (teamwork, chemistry, commitment) and thought they could win just by showing up. Rude awakening.

Posted by: kalorama | June 7, 2007 10:51 AM | Report abuse

"Lost his car and his girl friend and $7,000.00 all when LaBron walked up to Gilbert and then Gilbert missed those free throws".


Dude losing $7K is one thing... but his ride and girlfriend? Dude should be in some serious therapy.

Posted by: C-Town | June 7, 2007 10:53 AM | Report abuse

C-Town,

If you believe that, you are more gullible than GM.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 7, 2007 11:03 AM | Report abuse

Does it bother you that I don't like Gilby for what he did to me? If so, too bad. It's your problem, I have a right. Its free speech. Now go fukc off.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 7, 2007 11:35 AM | Report abuse

But 88er you just said this morning that you ALWAYS tell the truth. So I beleived what you posted.If you'd like I could give everyone they day and time that you posted it so those new here can go back and read it.
Also at10:51AM you answered the question for everyone here about who keeps posting and signing others name. That wasn't my post, but another version of your Lefty with my wife perversion that you keep posting.
Now you're putting your perverted crap on here and using somebody else's name. That's another stunt that didn't start up around here til you arrived.
And I haven't attacked you I've just reposted what you wrote, are your own words so vile to you that you consider them a personal insult? I wouldn't know, I've never done anything that stupid in my life and then was dumb enough to post online about it. Were you thinking that it was a good reason for your hatred of the Wizards and that we should agree with you? You act like Gilbert Arenas did something to you personally when he missed those free throws, like it was one of those personel attacks your always talking about that nobody else seems to see.
Don't have time because I've got a business to run, but maybe I should go back and retype some of your crap and put quotation marks around it like you are so found of doing when you attack other posters. Nahh, I'd get kicked off of here for reposting that that Vile pile of horse manure.
88'er I understand your fantasy with my wife, she's a fine looking woman after all these years and feel lucky to have her, but Lefty???? Do you have a thing for old Bald guys????? You keep typing this fantasy with an old bald guy in it, you know there are sites where other people might also really get off on that kind of thing with you. But not here, this is for Wizards Basketball and the NBA.

Posted by: GM | June 7, 2007 11:38 AM | Report abuse

I log on to this forum to read and discuss Wizards and the NBA. I also understand that everyone has their own opinion and that respect should be given to those regardless if you agree with them or not.

There is one person that continually antagonizes others on this site. In the past, we've tried to ignore him, but if you read past posts, you'll see his pattern of laying low for a few days then slowly striking up normal Wizards/NBA conversation. Usually after a few days he then reverts to vulgar and inappropriate language. This has been going on for months. I'm sure the Post has very little control of banning him, there's always the possibility of him changing usernames as well and logging on as someone else. GM, I like your idea of voting to boycott DC Man88, however there are newbie's that log on to this site everyday that don't know the history of his issues.

Here's my suggestion, for those of us that regularly post on this forum cut and paste the following at the beginning or end of each of your posts. I'll add it to all my posts going forward. This may be the only way to get the message out...

DC MAN88 - DO NOT RESPOND TO HIM OR ACKNOWLEDGE HIM. HE USES INAPPROPRIATE LANGUAGE ON THIS FORUM.

Cut and paste the following to all your posts:

DC MAN88 - DO NOT RESPOND TO HIM OR ACKNOWLEDGE HIM. HE USES INAPPROPRIATE LANGUAGE ON THIS FORUM.

Posted by: Juan DC | June 7, 2007 11:42 AM | Report abuse

DC MAN88 - DO NOT RESPOND TO HIM OR ACKNOWLEDGE HIM. HE USES INAPPROPRIATE LANGUAGE ON THIS FORUM.


Juan DC, totally agree on your post about our antagonizer and the great suggestion.


DC MAN88 - DO NOT RESPOND TO HIM OR ACKNOWLEDGE HIM. HE USES INAPPROPRIATE LANGUAGE ON THIS FORUM.

Posted by: Wizzin' by Ya | June 7, 2007 11:49 AM | Report abuse

Heh C-Town, Gotta admit - not a big James fan but noticed Cleveland's stats re; the Spurs, etc. Not Phoenix Miami or Dallas.

I'm glad for them. I don't dislike James because of the free throw-line thing.
If anything, I'm a bit different.

I believe when a player steps on the court its equivilent to a "Gladiator" stepping into the arena. He must be prepared to meet his worse opponent - maybe a Tiger of Death but still have the courage to keep fighting & moving forward no matter the outcome. Arenas didn't have that courage.

LeBron obviously does and thats what it takes. You cannot fear your opponent. James is wise in that he knows you can never let your opponent see you sweat. Its more mental than physical. Very obvious in the Detroit series...the piston player would see James approach with a qwik cross-over dribble - Yikes!!!they "looked" scared. James could see & smell defeat all over them.

He saw the same in Arenas then. He's a urban street baller tho young but he's fine honing some instincts Arenas and some others don't have. Timing, a warrior's attitude - a killers instinct.

It should be interesting wot watch.

Posted by: Robin | June 7, 2007 12:06 PM | Report abuse

DC MAN88 - DO NOT RESPOND TO HIM OR ACKNOWLEDGE HIM. HE USES INAPPROPRIATE LANGUAGE ON THIS FORUM.

GM, I hope you understand now that someone can easily use your handle to make posts too. Didn't like it did you?

DC MAN88 - DO NOT RESPOND TO HIM OR ACKNOWLEDGE HIM. HE USES INAPPROPRIATE LANGUAGE ON THIS FORUM.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 7, 2007 12:19 PM | Report abuse

The Wizards would have also had to overcome the referees' LeBron bias. No one travels more or gets more calls in the NBA then LeBron. After the Suns were ousted, Stern wanted LeBron for ratings. Watch the LeBron calls and the series go 6.

Posted by: basketballjones | June 7, 2007 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Robin - You provide an interesting analysis on how players approach the mental aspect of the game. This sort of reminds me of Lakers/Pistons, when Magic and Isaiah kissed each other on the cheek before the start of each game of the finals. Saying that although we're friends and I respect your game, I'm gonna fight you tooth and nail until the end.

Players use these type experiences to grow their game. That is a strong part of Bron's personality. He didn't go to college, but has tremendous basketball smarts and the ability to process every challenge he faces, and draw on that experience to make better decisions. Some guys do it quicker that others. As a Cav's fan we lived through much of Bron's growth during his first 2 years when he made a lot of mistakes and didn't make the playoffs.

Think about game 1 of the Pistons series. Bron got dogged for passing to Donyelle. But in the end it was all good because that experience allowed him to grow into the playmaker he became in games 3-6.

I'm sure Gil will draw on his negative experience last year to make him a better player and finisher. I welcome the opportunity to face a healthy Wizard team next year. That would be a good series.

Posted by: C-Town | June 7, 2007 1:02 PM | Report abuse

And just who and the hell would ever want to pretend to be DCMAN88?? The pattern of lewd posts using other people's names didn't start til he came around either. Now at 10:51 this morning he posted another lewd post involving my wife and signed my name to it. And at 12:19 he just admitted doing it.
He tried to say before that these lewd posts were the work of an imposter. Now he just admitted to making a lewd post and signing my name to it. The stuff he put on here in Lisa's name is inexcusable.
And does anybody else find it strange that at various times he's refered to where Wilbon, Gilbert Arenas, Micheal and Ivan live? Thank God I live Hrs. away from public transportation.
I've got to agree with JaunDC this has gone on for far too long and if the Post can't or won't shut him down we should.
DCMAN88- DO NOT RESPOND TO HIM OR ACKNOWLEDGE HIM HE USES INAPPROPIATE LANGAUGE ON THIS FORUM
Lets get back to talking about basketball.

Posted by: GM | June 7, 2007 1:04 PM | Report abuse

DCMAN88- DO NOT RESPOND TO HIM OR ACKNOWLEDGE HIM HE USES INAPPROPIATE LANGAUGE ON THIS FORUM


You're an idiot GM. Go back to betting with your wife on the table and her barn trysts. She's better off anyway.

DCMAN88- DO NOT RESPOND TO HIM OR ACKNOWLEDGE HIM HE USES INAPPROPIATE LANGAUGE ON THIS FORUM

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 7, 2007 1:14 PM | Report abuse

I agree. I was very sad the Suns departed so quickly but a lesson learned. They didn't suspend Duncan who was also out of place but its all water under the bridge for now. Stern has been promoting the LeBron James Show and from a business stand point - I guess one can't blame him.

Very disappointed in Pistons whimpin out like old women. Apologizing and whinin - they didn't deserve to be champions. I thought its about the battle for the fittest-endurance -Mental & physical. Like old man Buss - ya gotta be a gambler. Two pieces on the board that "might" make a difference for Spurs - Tim Duncan - Tony Parker. When they lost miserably to Golden State that one nite As they walked away from the court - you could see it in their eyes. They were coming back with a vengence and they did just that.

Lets see if this down time has removed that fire. Pop is no slouch either.

I don't think LB is one bit nervous - like a kid in a candy store...he wants this lolli-pop. He's probably got more of a killer instinct than his coach who by the way has them playing some pretty descent defense and should feel pretty confident considering they beat Spurs all season long. Sometimes experience prevails.

Posted by: Robin | June 7, 2007 1:17 PM | Report abuse

Chi-Town, are we the only 2 talking about basketball? The rest makes absolutely no sense whatsoever!!! Every 3 posts is some bizarre nonsense..not about the NBA or anything close. Or did I miss something?

Posted by: Robin | June 7, 2007 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Why can't someone get this guy off here. I come here to posts sometimes and to be honest, I quit coming because I am sick of hearing him bash Gilbert. Gil has never done anything to anyone that I know of and this DC88man or girl? So what is up with the constant hate shown towards him by this person. Did Gil not sign an autograph or something? What gives? How can you in your right mind say that Gil has regressed. Give me a break. I love reading various opinions because you learn a little. But, honestly, I don't come here more often because I get sick of the DCMan/girl's posts.

Posted by: WizFan4Life | June 7, 2007 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Here's a funny blurb that I found with regard to Gilby's sick fantasy for his shoe commercial:


He also described his ideal shoe commercial like this:

" You know how I always throw my jersey into the stands after a game? In Washington, they just go crazy for it. So in this commercial, that's what I'm gonna do with my shoes. I've just hit a game winner, and I throw these shoes. Everyone starts to react, and you see everything in slow motion. Everyone's pushing, shoving, doing whatever it takes to try to get to these shoes. People from the 400 level, they're jumping off the ledge, they're missing the pile, hitting nothing but chairs, and you can just see in people's faces like, Ooooh, that hurt. While all this stuff's going on, one of the shoes pops out of the crowd, and a little girl gets it and she takes off. A couple of people see she has it, and they start chasing her, and she's looking back running--and then she gets clotheslined by a kid in a wheelchair. So he picks the shoe up and says--he's gonna have the only line in there--"They said I couldn't get it. Heh. Impossible is nothing." And then he rolls off.[13] "

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 7, 2007 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Mind citing a source so the rest of could see if Gilbert actually said that.

Posted by: George Templeton | June 7, 2007 3:00 PM | Report abuse

And do we really care what you write about Gilbert? You can spew all you want....cut and paste...quote journalists ad nauseum and still not change our (most of our) opinion of Gilbert. Guess it makes you feel better to put your hatred in writing but you need to take it somewhere else because it ain't working here. Gilbert is quirky...we all know that. We also know that without him we would still be stuck in that losing hole we were in for so long. WE DO NOT CARE WHAT YOU THINK.

Onto the Cavs....why are people jumping on the Cavs bandwagon simply because they beat the Spurs in the regular season? To the best of my recollection so did the Wiz. The one advantage that I see for the Cavs is that Mike Brown was an assistant with the Spurs and knows the players and system inside out. Other than that, the Spurs are a much better team all around.

Posted by: Lisa | June 7, 2007 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Robin I post about basketball all the time. And yesterday I just tried to say 17 posts without a word about basketball a new record. Then he started again with the vulgar posts.
Some of the people were asking yesterday what was up with the Gilbert hate, and I let them know what he posted. When you know that he lost7G his car and his ride on the Wiz Cav's game where Gil missed at the line it puts all in perspective.
I useally don't even bother to acknowledge him and I won't. But ever time he wants to get into it with a new poster I'll post his little whinefest again. It explains so much. And it'd funny too!
I'll get back to talking about basketball but I hope you understand that some of his crap has gone way over the edge. I think there's been a time or two that he's gotten to you too.

Posted by: GM | June 7, 2007 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Doing all I can to ignor him and all he brings with him. Just think of the movie:

"Little Shop of Horrors"

The more he fed the plant - the bigger it got. Eventually, it ate the guy.

Feed him...nada

No attenciones

chou

Posted by: Robin | June 7, 2007 5:08 PM | Report abuse

george templeton,

gilbert did have that idea for a commercial. think he had it in his blog or mentioned it to steinberg on the sportsbog. actually, i thought it was hilarious and i've been waiting for them to make that one.. ;-)

bball question:
remove duncan from the spurs and Bronbron from the cavs - which team wins?

my vote goes to the spurs. they have the experience and the better surrounding cast. who on the cavs can stop manu or parker?

Posted by: hmmmmm | June 7, 2007 5:35 PM | Report abuse

http://www.dcist.com/2006/10/13/thats_just_gilb.php

George, hopefully it's not your daughter, sister, granddaughter, or neice getting closelined, or your aunt or grandma or other loved one getting pushed off section 400. It was taken off Esquire.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilbert_Arenas

BTW, if it was someone else besides the quirky Gilby who made a quote about a little girl getting closelined or fans getting trampled, I wonder anyone would be as lenient. Why does being quirky excuse someone from saying things that are just wrong?

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 7, 2007 6:14 PM | Report abuse

Robin,

Here is GM, the old windbag, butting his nose in where it doesn't belong. Notice in his blurb below, he jumps on me about my 17 posts, but says nothing about "College Education" who was the aggressor and was exchanging with me and had the same number of posts. In GM's BS writing, he then, unprovoked, attacks me about myspace.com, bets, girlfriends, cars, etc. None of it necessary. GM always tries to act innocent, but is just a dirty, cranky, old man sticking his nose where it doesn't belong.

"Seventeen striaght posts without a word about basketball a new record! There's a place online for that kind of thing it called MySpace. This isn't someone's personal site, it's for discussing Wizards Basketball. I think today's topic was actually the playoffs not getting off in someone's coffee.
But what ever turns you on, which does appear to be getting in online fights. The rest of us would like to talk about the draft, trades, NBA Basketball and the team we support and other stuff that seems to bore you. Go somewhere else and pick your fights.
And whining, how about the night that you were drunk or high or both and spent the night whining about the big bet you lost when Gilbert missed those free throws in the playoffs! And how you lost your girl friend. Bo Who!
So for the more recent posters here that's why we listen to this constant Gilbert hate over and over.
Why not troll over to MySpace and see if you can pick up a teenage girl so we can talk about basketball.
Micheal warned you, Ivan should throw you off the site so the rest of us don't have to read this inane garbage!

Posted by: GM | June 5, 2007 06:50 PM "

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 7, 2007 6:25 PM | Report abuse

What's funny is YOU pretending to care about an imaginary little girl. Like you actually have a heart....or any compassion for ANYTHING.

Posted by: Lisa | June 7, 2007 6:26 PM | Report abuse

Lisa, you dodge the main issue so weakly. Stop making excuses for Gilby. I didn't say those words, he did. But since he's "quirky," he gets a bye in your book.

If anything, I wish you were the little girl getting closelined. Maybe that would actually wake you up.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 7, 2007 6:33 PM | Report abuse

Very funny! We all know Gilbert is not an evil person. He's a good guy - has given more money away than you will probably ever make in your lifetime. He has charities and does many things for underpriviledged children.

You are just bound and determined to dig up anything negative about him that you can to try and deter people. Hang it up. Or at least take it someplace where someone may actually care. But I don't think you will find that place...oh yeah...I guess maybe in your head.

Posted by: Lisa | June 7, 2007 6:50 PM | Report abuse

No one is complaining about me because not everyone hates me.

And the commercial concept is called fantasy. Like a movie. Steven Spielberg made War of the Worlds, but I am pretty sure he really doesn't want the world to be attacked by aliens.

Posted by: College Educated | June 7, 2007 6:52 PM | Report abuse

I think the reason no one has a problem with Gilbert saying that is because its harmless like most of the things Gilbert says or does. But I know DCMan you don't see Gilbert's actions that way.

Posted by: George Templeton | June 7, 2007 6:57 PM | Report abuse

And thank you for providing the site where he said it.

Posted by: George Templeton | June 7, 2007 7:02 PM | Report abuse

Gil is the NBA version of the NFL's Chad Johnson. Plain and simple.

Posted by: Lisa | June 7, 2007 7:04 PM | Report abuse

The apologists come out in full force. Why is this not surprising? Lisa again misses the point. I'd be surprised if Adidas moves forward with a commercial where people are getting hurt over a professional athlete's shoes. Only Lisa would find that funny. BTW, I don't have to dig anything up. Gilby readily provides it.

George, I don't think Gilby means harm from it either, but it doesn't exonerate him from such an abnormal thought of a child getting hurt over his shoes. A little girl getting clotheslined is obviously a very violent act. Don't you agree? He obviously has an obsession over fame and people bulldozing each other just to boost that fame and feed his ego.

"No one is complaining about me because not everyone hates me."

You missed the point. The point was you started the exchange and contributed towards it going on and on.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 7, 2007 9:26 PM | Report abuse

"Gil is the NBA version of the NFL's Chad Johnson. Plain and simple.

Chad Johnson proposes to women (Cheerleaders) on the sideline and does funny dances after TD's. He doesn't dream and talk about little girls getting clotheslined by kids in wheelchairs and fans getting trampled or jumping off section 400.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 7, 2007 9:45 PM | Report abuse

You guys need to get a life. When you respond to him you become just as bad. The fact is, he makes some very sailient points, perhaps in manner that is not appropriate. Everyone in the NBA except for Wizards fans know that Areanas as point guard is a problem unless he becomes more of a point guard. He does not control tempo, in fact; when a team is down to the Wizards they know that they can comeback not only because of the swiss cheese defense, but a disjointed offense that relies on individual talent and not the Princeton offense. If Antonio Daniel could hit a shot he would be starting tomorrow and Arenas would be at the 2...I do not see the Wizards improving with out Arenas actually running the plays in the manner that does not create offense for the other side. He can be an unstoppable talent, unless of course he is stopping himself. Now DCMAN is probably not the greatest person in the world, but separate the BS from the relevant comments and you may see something worth debating.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 7, 2007 11:17 PM | Report abuse

To the anonymous poster above you said "DCMan is probably not the greatest person in the world".Probably????? Are you flippin' kidding? He's a first class jerk. And it has nothing to do with his so-called "salient" points. If you have been reading his comments the past few months you would know he is just nasty.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 8, 2007 12:13 AM | Report abuse

To the anonymous poster at 11:17 p.m. I guess you missed all the posts, I and others (doc linkin, bmorerev among them) that said THAT THE WIZARDS NEED A POINT GUARD!!!!!!!!
So please before you insult the intelligence of Wizards fans on this board, at least time to read some of the stuff that doesn't involve people attacking one another.
I would venture to say that if you took a poll of the Wizards fans on this blog, a majority would say that the Wizards can't win the East or an NBA title with Arenas at PG.

Posted by: George Templeton | June 8, 2007 1:09 AM | Report abuse

Lisa, what are you talking about? Are you drinking? You make no sense. The Wizards lost @ verizon to the Spurs, I went.

Second: Do you know anything about Chad Johnson? But honestly, You need to "Get a Clue" You & poster guy GM" You waste/spend countless hours writing "garbage" back & forth to this dc poster on this basketball site. Wasting space that others more interested in NBA basketball could use but you mindlessly keep filling in spaces with your selfish idiotic rants back and forth as tho we care about your idiotic crap. You've done enough to run numerous people away from this site. You - not just this dc person. It takes 2 to tango and your hands are just as bloody if not more.

Did it ever occur to either of you - the reason they haven't removed him from the blog is: You're as offensive? Because you are. Look back at the times so many posters have come on and asked the 3 of you to please cease the nonsense. They were trying to discuss NBA basketball.
You've been utterly clueless - This GM person - with the 12 inch posts - get a grip buddy! Take a look in the mirror. You're no different than the guy you keep complaining about.

At least as the other poster said - the DC dude makes some succient points & statements but you two quite frankly sound like pure nut cases demanding they put him off. When you need to go too.

I hate to say these things - it may give fuel to this poster dcmans888 but its true. You behave terribly. Frankly, I'm trying to find out how to report you two as well. Its not just the DC 88 guy. Its you GM & Lisa. You've run people away with your foolish nonsense and obsession about Gil Arenas and Mr. GM's 12 to 14 inch posts. page after page.

And in case you haven't noticed: The NBA Finals are going on. No, gilbert Arenas is not playing. Le Bron James and Tony Parker are just to give you 2 a clue.

Please, enough already and Thank you.

Posted by: Brian | June 8, 2007 2:33 AM | Report abuse

Thank you George Templeton. When anyone cares to weed through the small percentage of garbage on this forum you will see that real Zards fan are pretty intelligent, ridiculously faithful, and most of us love our team just like you love your family. We watch the games and root our heads of but love enough to analyze and critique. I weed through the garbage a few times each week because I think the discussion is quite thought provoking and I respect the opinions of most of you. But let me echo that we need to all just make a commitment to stop the nonsense because it is just not needed.

Don't you kind of wish that the name of the one posting was at the top and not at the bottom of their comments? Maybe the Post can do something about that. It would make skimming through the nonsense a lot easier.

Well, Spurs were methodical as expected. I hope all the games fgo like that one and Labron disappoints all the fair weather fans. I still think he will probably bust loose in game 3 for 40 plus points and they may win that one. But this thing is essentially over folks.
Let's just fast forward a few weeks and get to the draft!

Posted by: BmoreRev | June 8, 2007 8:45 AM | Report abuse

Thank you George Templeton. When anyone cares to weed through the small percentage of garbage that some post on this forum you will see that real Zards fan are pretty intelligent, ridiculously faithful, and most of us love our team just like you love your family. We watch the games and root our heads of but love enough to analyze and critique. I weed through the garbage a few times each week because I think the discussion is quite thought provoking and I respect the opinions of most of you. But let me echo what others are saying: we need to make a commitment to stop the nonsense and personal garbage and keep to the subjects. It is just not needed and takes away from good discussion.

Don't you kind of wish that the name of the one posting was at the top and not at the bottom of their comments? Maybe the Post can do something about that. It would make skimming through the nonsense a lot easier.

Well, Spurs were methodical as expected. I hope all the games go like that one last night and Labron disappoints all those fair weather fans. I still think he will probably bust loose in game 3 for 40 plus points and they may win that one. But this thing is essentially over folks. Let's just fast forward a few weeks and get to the draft!

Posted by: BmoreRev | June 8, 2007 8:50 AM | Report abuse

Thanks, BeMorRev, George and Brian.

I'm pretty sure most have figured out by now we need a point guard. If not - who cares? At least we're aware.
I don't mind the other teams posters coming on - it keeps it interesting. Like different perspectives or views. Keeps me thinking. Thats what a lot of basketball is all about "challenges"

Its this "stuff" we could do without.

Back to basketball - Thats the thing I dislike about Spurs - so methodical. Its like watching a machine. Any other thoughts on the game?

Posted by: Robin | June 8, 2007 9:52 AM | Report abuse

Gilbert is like Chad Johnson? How so Lisa?

I don't get the correlation. You make so sense.

Posted by: Wizfan2 | June 8, 2007 10:34 AM | Report abuse

Wizfan2,

Gilbert is like Chad Johnson in that they are quirky and like to draw attention to themselves. For example: Chad boasts that no one can cover him...sends Pepto Bismal to the other teams players, does dances on the sideline....is now planning to race a horse. Gilbert does attention grabbing things like throwing his jersey into the stands, trampoline jumping at the All Star game, saying "hibachi" - you get the idea. The point I was trying to make is that it's all in fun and harmless.

Posted by: Lisa | June 8, 2007 10:43 AM | Report abuse

doc here:

Wait, back up. I don't think we need a point guard, no sir.

I don't want the ball taken from Gilbert's hands. Gil is one of those rare players who actually gets more efficient the more he touches the ball. Scoring, passing, +/- ... pick a metric.

Now Common Sense would have you believeing that this is the case for most players-- you get more touches: you get more comfortable.

But 'Statistics' says: 'Common sense' has his head up his butt. The fact is most players have a drop-off in efficiency when they play heavy minutes. They get tired, shoot a poorer percentage etc.

(Then 'Common Sense' gets testy and starts poking 'Statistics' in the chest with his finger, and since he can't think of anything else, starts talking about his mom and whatnot).

Most players drop off at some point-- but not Gil. There are rare games when his True Shooting % (a stat that accounts for FT's and the three point shot) has been over 100%. Equivalent to hitting every shot you toss up.

Not believable, but true. That's what we got.

Nah. What I want most is a Co-handler. A combo guard-- or a ball handling, scoring offguard-- who can carry the weight when a team tries to load up on Gil and take him out the game.

Reflect on Larry's last Wiz year.

There were games when either one of them could turn it on at a second's notice. You could be behind 20 and have confidence that the Wiz were going to pul it out. They both would attack the basket, get fouled (and In Gil's case, finish for the And-1) stop the clock, score at the FT line.

In the backcourt I want this same sort of dynamic. With slightly less ball-hogging. And slightly more defense.

My feel is that with this dynamic, Gil doesn't have to burn himself out trying to carry the load solo. And he get's an on-court bench-- in effect-- because even if he's still out there 40 minutes per game, the two can take turns turning it on as needed.

And that if he's able to conserve his energy on offense now and again, he's got the enrgy to play the kind of pressure scrambling defense he showed on the USA team.

Alternatively I want a bench assassin. An unrepentant scorer who can work with team ballers like AD and DSong and simply fill the bucket, so Gil can rest while sitting. As needed.

--
After that I want a ball-swatting Big who can cover alot of ground, or a perimeter defender who can stroke the three.

So the best of:
Rodney Stuckey (Javaris Crittenton)
Morris Almond (Nick Young)
Sean Wlliams (Stephane Lasme)
Demetris Nichols (if we trade down for extra picks to fill roster holes)

Or you know: a dominant Big Man since clearly they will all be available at #16.

Or Best Player Available

--if Jeff Green or Spencer Hawes slip (possible due to the physical workout silly-ness).
--Or if someone (Atlanta?) gives us a chance to move up for JoNo.

Or you know, Marcus Camby/Pau Gasol if Ernie does what he likes to do and trades the picks (and players) for proven players who are undervalued by their current teams.

Or of course KG, if the mass drugs take effect and we collectively hallucinate that into existence.

Posted by: doclinkin | June 8, 2007 11:30 AM | Report abuse

Lisa, you obviously are free to post here but make no sense, sound desperate and uninformed. Its clear why you spend so much time bantering with the DC poster. Your posts reveal how little you know about the NBA or basketball. Yes, we all know you "like" Gilbert. hooray for you - but he is nothing like Chad Johnson.

Posted by: Wizfan2 | June 8, 2007 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Wizfan2,

You are the uninformed one...in fact, I think you are DCMan in disguise.

I am not desperate..and certainly not uninformed. I stand by my comparison and I'm not the only person who has made this comparison.

Yes, I like Gilbert. I also like the other Wiz players. The reason I take up for Gil is because he is the player being constantly bashed by one particular person. For someone who hates a player so much, it's astonishing that he spends so much time hunting down negative stuff to write about him.

Nevertheless, you all can have it. Enjoy DCMan and his tirades about Gil.

Enjoy the blog...enjoy the tirades....

Posted by: LIsa | June 8, 2007 11:55 AM | Report abuse

doc here:

I'll talk basketball in a second, bear with me. First:

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Good lord, ain't you people never used the interwebs before?

The first rule of message boards:

DNFTT: "DO NOT FEED THE TROLL"

Ignore offensive content, go on about your business, do not respond. If something bothers you, or if there is offensive content, report THAT POST and move on.

But don't clutter the boards complaining about it or you add to the problem.

RULE TWO:

ABC. Always Bring Content. Have an opinion about something, bring information, contribute to the conversation at hand. YOu know, in this case: talk about basketball.

If you have to say something irrelevant, that's cool, just try and work basketball back into it at some point. Like this:
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Yahoo has a good storehouse of video clips of various Draft prospects. Check them out here:


http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/prospects?rank_type=1

Posted by: doclinkin | June 8, 2007 12:24 PM | Report abuse

As a Cavs fan I'm not at all surprised at how game 1 went. The Spurs are obviously a very solid team who won't beat themselves. We knew it would be a struggle for the Cavs. Especially game 1 of the finals with none of them having been there before. There seemed to be some first game jitters on their part.

Bron's slow start was predictable too. It's been a pattern in the playoffs for him starting slow and picking it up as the series goes on. I expect they will make adjustments and play better in game 2 on Sunday.

Tony P. does present a problem with his quickness driving the lane and dishing or takin it to the hole. With Larry's foot injury I expect to see more PT for Boobie and the use of E. Snow for defense on Tony.

Cavs in 7.

Posted by: C-Town | June 8, 2007 12:52 PM | Report abuse

I've got to agree with Doclinkin I don't think we really need a point gaurd. I don't think that Stevenson gives us a good enough second ball handler on the floor with Arenas to take some of the ballhandling load like Hughes did. But moving Arenas to the two fulltime might end up making us worse defensively.And Eddie already moves him to two when he puts Daniels out there.
If we were considering a point Javaris Crittiton would be a point in the draft that would be big enough to gaurd alot of twos and play point offensively. But the kid's only 19, would he be ready to play a big role right away? And now he looks like Atlanta could be eying him at 11.
Watching the Spurs take down Cleveland last night it was interesting that when Ginobilli came in Cleveland had no answer for that slashing & driving game of his when they were trying to stop Duncan and Parker on the Pick and Roll game.
Navarro seems to play a very similar style and could possibly be deadly off the bench in the same way Ginobilli is with the Spurs. He could fill both roles that Doclinkin is looking for. A combo gaurd to play with the first unit as the first guy off the bench and a strong scorer to stay in and run with the second unit.
If Hawes drops, I'd consider him, not many 7/0 240lbs guys are real atheletes by the time they're 19 and he's done well on the court. The interesting result in that fitness test was Jason Smith, some were calling him another white stiff. I'd only seen him a couple of times and he seemed pretty athelitic to me. He really tested out highly in Orlando, and sounds like he did ok in his try out here. When I saw him play he drew a crowd alot since he was their first or second option. When he's open the guy can shoot, and like Blatche he can out get and run pretty well on the break.
Wonder if Ernie's really lookig at him or if some of these guys being brought in are smoke screens? Someone had mentioned here a while back the idea of trading back in the first round and picking up another pick. Wonder if that could be a possibility with some of the guys that are coming in late first projections?

Posted by: GM | June 8, 2007 1:05 PM | Report abuse

Content. Few people on here bring content. They spend their time bantering with one main poster about "0" Poster Brian said it best...they're busy pointing fingers when in truth - theyre' part of the problem.

Look at the juvenile crap lisa just wrote..
uggghhhh.

doc, C-Town: thanks for the post.We need more like it here.

Posted by: Wizfan2 | June 8, 2007 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Here's some content:

I have a concern about the NBA Finals - that hottie Eva making all the Cleveland honeys look bad on TV when the series goes there. We may have to bring back Halle Berry from Hollywood and prop her up to even things out.

Posted by: C-Town | June 8, 2007 1:43 PM | Report abuse

I've got to agree with Doclinkin I don't think we really need a point gaurd. I don't think that Stevenson gives us a good enough second ball handler on the floor with Arenas to take some of the ballhandling load like Hughes did. But moving Arenas to the two fulltime might end up making us worse defensively.And Eddie already moves him to two when he puts Daniels out there.
If we were considering a point Javaris Crittiton would be a point in the draft that would be big enough to gaurd alot of twos and play point offensively. But the kid's only 19, would he be ready to play a big role right away? And now he looks like Atlanta could be eying him at 11.
Watching the Spurs take down Cleveland last night it was interesting that when Ginobilli came in Cleveland had no answer for that slashing & driving game of his when they were trying to stop Duncan and Parker on the Pick and Roll game.
Navarro seems to play a very similar style and could possibly be deadly off the bench in the same way Ginobilli is with the Spurs. He could fill both roles that Doclinkin is looking for. A combo gaurd to play with the first unit as the first guy off the bench and a strong scorer to stay in and run with the second unit.
If Hawes drops, I'd consider him, not many 7/0 240lbs guys are real atheletes by the time they're 19 and he's done well on the court. The interesting result in that fitness test was Jason Smith, some were calling him another white stiff. I'd only seen him a couple of times and he seemed pretty athelitic to me. He really tested out highly in Orlando, and sounds like he did ok in his try out here. When I saw him play he drew a crowd alot since he was their first or second option. When he's open the guy can shoot, and like Blatche he can out get and run pretty well on the break.
Wonder if Ernie's really lookig at him or if some of these guys being brought in are smoke screens? Someone had mentioned here a while back the idea of trading back in the first round and picking up another pick. Wonder if that could be a possibility with some of the guys that are coming in late first projections?

Posted by: GM | June 8, 2007 1:48 PM | Report abuse

George Templeton:

C-Town no offense but last night proved that your Cavs don't have a puncher's chance in this series. Yes Daniel Gibson will play more and as a result the games will be closer. But the Cavs can't do anything with Parker and if you think Snow can keep Parker in front of him, you are whistling past the dark on that. At times the Cavs' double teams of Duncan were effective, but at the end of the day more often then not once Duncan passed out of the double team, the Cav defense was in trouble. This is a five-game series at most, but good luck to the Cavs anyway.
And doc your analysis is well reasoned but take a look at what happened on the floor last night. Having a PG who can run the team first, get his points second is key to winning a championship. When you have a Parker, Nash, Chris Paul or Deron Williams, your offense has more flow, is more difficult to defend and is more efficient (and using less energy at the offensive end of the floor).
Your point about a co-handler is well taken but if you want to see the difference between a combo guard that wins a title and one that doesn't, just look at Chauncey Billups. Under Larry Brown he was a PG first, running the team brillianty. He was Mr. Big Shot scorer second. Under Flip the reverse was true and as a result he took some bad shots that hurt his team's chances against the Cavs (of course not having Ben Wallace hurt as well).
There is a fine line between having the ability to set people up (Gilbert) and being able to run a team and conduct an offense (Parker). The Wizards' identity is offense and making that more efficient and lethal, so they can expend the maximum effort on the defensive end, is the ticket to them being a player in the East next year.

As for a big man give me Splitter over Hawes, I just don't see the difference between Hawes and Reeves and that isn't a compliment.

Posted by: George Templeton | June 8, 2007 2:12 PM | Report abuse

George - I'm incouraged because the Cavs played so bad, especially Bron and Z. Overall, except for Boobie and Drew their shooting was terrible. The Spurs also totally killed the Cavs on the boards, and that's one of the teams strengths that got them to the finals. They'll have to correct that.

I give credit to the Spurs defense, they played mostly and old style box and one zone with Bowen hounding Bron. But I have a tough time believing that Bron and Z are going to continue to miss shots like they did in game 1.

Drew, Boobie, and even Sasha were able to score fairly easily so that is also encouraging. They will make corrections and play better in game 2.

Posted by: C-Town | June 8, 2007 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Hey C-Town! Don't be down. Its a few more games to go but I did say Duncan & Parker would be difference makers. Its their focus and discipline. Can't pay enough for it. Enjoy the games & do what Ivan said - watch closely the defensive moves and plays. totally incredible. It gives great insight to the mental & physical aspects of the game. One player being out of place slight could cause a loss or win amazingly. I love the strategies.

Posted by: Robin | June 8, 2007 2:53 PM | Report abuse

The Cavs have something more than zero chance, but not much more. The Spurs are too disciplined, too well coached, too experienced, and just plain too good. The Cavs are taking their first steps on the road to a title. The Spurs are on their 4th time around the track and have a history of gathering momentum as they approach the finish line.

Posted by: kalorama | June 8, 2007 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Well said. Sounds like we all agree on something. Lets enjoy the games.

Posted by: Robin | June 8, 2007 3:33 PM | Report abuse

"that hottie Eva making all the Cleveland honeys look bad on TV when the series goes there. We may have to bring back Halle Berry from Hollywood and prop her up to even things out".

C-Town, that's funny. What are you trying to say about Cleveland women?

Posted by: Anonymous | June 8, 2007 3:38 PM | Report abuse

The Cavs deserve to lose, if for no other reason than they had Geraldo as their featured celebrity in the crowd during the pistons series.

Posted by: kalorama | June 8, 2007 3:44 PM | Report abuse

kal - where's your team spirit? They're representing the east now, which includes you.

Posted by: C-Town | June 8, 2007 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Whoa! I am a Caron Butler fan living in Wisconsin - visit this blog from time to time. The comments on here today were mostly horrid and it was like walking in a land mine.

However, one person's comments really made me laugh...that would be one "Wizfan2." "Wizfan2" wrote about "content" being of importance and bashed "Lisa" - however he had absolutely nothing of content to say. All he did was question others comments. Wizfan2, before you bash anyone else....look in the mirror. At least the other posters had something of content to say.

Think I will stick to the Wisconsin blogs...the people are nicer there.

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