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Just getting my legs after that long red eye back from Vegas early Monday morning. Let's just say that a week in Vegas is enough....Not much new meat to throw your way. The Wiz are holding a presser to announce the DeShawn signing this afternoon.

As I reported in today's paper, sources I've spoken with believe that Miami has or will make an offer for Juan Carlos Navarro. I don't know whether the offer will involve a player or a draft pick but I'm guessing that Ernie Grunfeld winds up taking the best draft pick he can get in return for Navarro's services. Memphis is still in the mix as well. I hear that Pau Gasol has all but demanded that the front office/ownership does whatever it has to do to get JNC in a Grizz uniform.

You might remember that Pau was making noises via the Spanish media about his unhappiness with being in Memphis last year so it's not hard to imagine him really cranking up the pressure over his boy JNC, especially when you consider that the team's big offseason move was overpaying Darko Milicic, the same guy who once called Gasol "soft" before their teams met in an international competition.

I haven't mentioned this in the blog but yet two local products really played well in Vegas: Georgetown's Jeff Green and Maryland's D.J. Strawberry. Green was a monster in Seattle's week-ending loss to Portland Sunday night (32 points and 13 rebounds) and if I didn't know better, I would have assumed that he, not Kevin Durant, was the second overall pick. Green's game is perfect for the NBA. He can handle, shoot, pass, move without the ball and defend at least two positions. Don't be shocked if Green is getting ROY the year talk as the season gets underway. While Durant clearly has the ridiculous upside, Green appears to be ready for the NBA right now

On Saturday, I watched the Suns play Portland while sitting in front of Suns Asst. Coach Alvin Gentry, who is already a big fan of Strawberry's. Don't be shocked if Straw makes that team and gets minutes as a backup behind Steve Nash and Leandro Barbosa. It was especially telling when Strawberry slapped some serious man-to-man defense on Minnesota's Randy Foye during a game Sunday evening. Foye showed that he's a legit NBA scorer last season as a rookie but Strawberry's quickness and length gave him real problems.

He knows how to move under and over screens in the pick-and-roll game and if you are lazy with a pass from the wing, Straw will shoot the passing lane and take it the other way for a layup. The Wizards liked Strawberry but couldn't pass on Dominic McGuire at the 47th pick and were trying to acquire another second-round pick to take Straw but couldn't get it done.

By Ivan Carter  |  July 17, 2007; 12:13 PM ET
 
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Comments

I can't imagine us dealing JCN to Miami over Memphis if draft picks are all that is involved. I was worried that our having re-signed Deshawn might hurt our leverage in JCN trade talks, but it looks like good-ol' Pau is helping us regain the upper hand with his rather vocal demands.

Posted by: Sam | July 17, 2007 12:36 PM | Report abuse

P.S. Welcome back, Ivan. Your reporting from Vegas was outstanding.

Posted by: Sam | July 17, 2007 12:38 PM | Report abuse

Good for DJ. I hope he does well.

Posted by: CurtisLee | July 17, 2007 12:42 PM | Report abuse

Paul Allen paid $3M for a late 1st rounder. How much could the 2nd to last pick have cost? A buck fifty?! Glad Straw is doing well.

Posted by: TOM | July 17, 2007 12:44 PM | Report abuse

What will Abe/Ernie do now that the luxury tax is fast approaching? Unless Etan or someone else is traded first, it seems inevitable that we will go over the tax by signing AB. And that doesn't even include the guys at the end of the roster -- Booth, Hall, Miles. I can't see Abe agreeing to pay the tax, even for one year.

Posted by: Rockville | July 17, 2007 1:03 PM | Report abuse

Is there some reluctance inside the Wizards camp to trade a servicable player to a Division opponent (i.e. Miami)? I hope so. The last thing I'd want to do is help fill a need for an Southeast opponent.
Also, in the spirit of Juan Carlos Navarro being called JCN, I would like to propose (if it hasn't been done already in a previous post) that Dominic McGuire be called DMC from this point forward. Not only is it sweet way to pay homage to one member of a great rap group, but it will also go a long way towards getting Dominic a shoe deal with Adidas.

Posted by: Kaan | July 17, 2007 1:06 PM | Report abuse

I too was upset when they didn't pick Strawberry. Especially since I never heard of Mcguire before we drafted him. I don't know what's up with Ernie but I don't know why he's demanding the world for JCN. If he's really worth that much, then why are we dealing him? And I don't see why Ernie hasn't moved him to Memphis for Lowry/Swift and a pick? Ivan, am I missing something? Is Stromile Swift NOT an upgrade in talent? Or is it that difficult to move Etan's contract...


And on a separate note, am I the only one that is slightly concerned over the Nets picking up Jamaal Magloire? Combine him with a healthy Nenad Kristic and a developing Josh Boone and Jersey has a pretty good frontline to throw at the Leastern Conference.

Posted by: C.Bell | July 17, 2007 1:09 PM | Report abuse

I'd be fine with a draft pick from Miami for Navarro because:

(A) I expect that the Heat aren't going to be very good. They're old as dirt and Shaq is breaking down. You can pencil him in to miss half the season. And Wade showed signs last season of flinching under having to carry the weight of the team in Shaq's absence. A draft pick from them could be decent.

(B) I don't think Navarro will be the automatic difference maker some are expecting. He's an undersized scoring guard in a league where players like that (at least those who lack the kind of off the chart's athleticism like Wade) have a tough road. He'll likely be a solid NBA contributor at some point, but I don't see him making a big immediate splash.

Posted by: kalorama | July 17, 2007 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Once again we see why this team can't get better. The Heat are a better team b/c they find room for JCN while a team in need of some luck can't make room for him. What good would another pick do if all your going to do is flush them later. The whole idea is to improve. I know EG didn't draft him but at least give him a look. By signing Deshawn too soon you tied your own hands and now every other GM is calling your bluff on JCN and you don't have cap room to keep him. Looks like you blew it with Blatche too. When Dallas offers up the moon he bolts and why shouldn't he go to Dallas they are a better organization than the Boulez. Wouldn't it have been better to offer up a decent number on the kid before the wolves came calling? Pat Riley snookered LA out of Shaq w/o giving up enough. So why shouldn't he snooker us also.

Posted by: DMAN | July 17, 2007 1:17 PM | Report abuse

How come Durants stats were so much better than Greens last year ?

Im a stats guy and I have to think Durant is going to make as much of an impact based on their stats.

Posted by: whocares | July 17, 2007 1:17 PM | Report abuse

Somehow I just can't convince myself to be concerned with Mags. Kristic, when healthy, is a nice starter in the East and I was a fan of Boone in college, but Magloire just doesn't put the fear in me even as a rotational player behind a decent center. He's had two REALLY good years in his career and he needs big minutes to really be effective. I'd be more concerned with him as a starter in Atlanta than as a backup in Jersey.

I too was hoping the Wiz would find a way to keep Straw in the area, and Ivan is right, he looked really good in SL play. I wish him all the luck in the world....can't say I'm upset with DMac and Aaron Miles as a consolation prize though...

Posted by: Woodbridge J | July 17, 2007 1:17 PM | Report abuse

I wouldn't lose any sleep of Magloire, C.Bell. He's essentially Haywood with worse shot selection.

Posted by: kalorama | July 17, 2007 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Yes CBell it is that hard to deal Etan's contract. And Ernie should accept nothing less than getting rid of Etan's contract as a condition of getting prize talent JCN.

Posted by: George Templeton | July 17, 2007 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Oh yeah, and thanks for keeping us updated on the latest even when there is no real news Ivan. You da man bruh! I don't care what those guys at the other paper said about you (just kidding).

Posted by: Woodbridge J | July 17, 2007 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for the knowledge Ivan!

If we can dump Etan's atrocious contract so we can sign Blatche and trade JCN (a 2nd round pick) for a first rounder, that's about right.

Posted by: Zonker | July 17, 2007 1:22 PM | Report abuse

C.Bell you're concerned about Magloire, the same very lame arse that you apparently haven't seen in 4 years Magloire where Truehoop quotes:

"The Nets picked up Jamaal Magliore, who has really hurt the last two teams he's been on. Mags signed a one-year deal, hopefully the Nets will try to limit his touches while asking him to crash the boards -- Magliore shouldn't be allowed to shoot unless he's taking in a pass that will count as an assist for either Jason Kidd, or Vince Carter. Also, he should really stay at better hotels. The Nets also really want Jannero Pargo, but he may cost them too much. You heard me."

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-26-55/Monday-Zephyrs.html?post=true

Posted by: Anonymous | July 17, 2007 1:23 PM | Report abuse

I like "DMC" as a nickname for McGuire but I propose "DMcNasty" because the guy is a beast! DMac is too close to TMac. This guy is really going to be good, let's hope he's a Wizard for a long time.

Posted by: Juan DC | July 17, 2007 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Just picks for JCN? Wouldn't that be missing an opportunity to unload Etan or AD's deals and help our cap situation?

Straight-up trades sending AD or Etan to Memphis for Swift or a Kyle Lowry-Damon Stoudamire combo work in ESPN.com's Trade Machine. You can't use JCN or draft picks in the Trade Machine, but presumably if you tacked JCN and a Memphis pick onto these deals they would work. Not saying Memphis would be interested in all those permutations, but if they're motivated by Pau presumably they would be interested in at least one of them.

Posted by: Jake H. | July 17, 2007 1:29 PM | Report abuse

Magloire is done. NO need to worry about him. We're fools if we deal with Miami unless they blow us out of the water with a deal. Taking Etan and JCN for a pick and would work. We need to explore trading AD and not just Etan. Getting his contract off the books helps us as much as Etan's and enables us to sign Blatche. Surely someone will take AD + JCN. I would prefer to say 'Uh Oh' to Etan but we need to do whatever we need to do to be able to resign Blatche. Is there a way to legally backload a contract for Blatche so that we are under this year and pay him what's he's worth in later years or is there a maximum yearly raise percentage?
Someone oughtta be whispering in Pau's ear. We need him to speak up loudly to Memphis management about JCN. Though I'd have preferred to keep him, I'm ok with losing him if it means we keep Blatche. If we lose Andray, we better sign JCN !! Losing both would be a disaster in my book.

Posted by: mark | July 17, 2007 1:30 PM | Report abuse

When Juan Carlos Navarro is shining for the Heat amongst Miami's roster of bums (and a hurt Dwyane Wade), I won't be able to sleep at night.

Posted by: R.L. | July 17, 2007 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Ivan, your great blogs have made an otherwise boring DC sports summer very entertaining. As everybody else does who reads this blog obsessively, I LOVE the Wiz. Your info keeps us fans feeling like we're inside the locker room with you, bro. So you get some big ups!

As for today's post, I am definitely in the group that would mourn the loss of JCN. I think the question is whether he will be another Manu or Sarunas (it pains me to say the latter, because I am a huge Terps fan). From what I have read, I think he's got some major skills which we will miss out on if we trade him. And I agree with some of the posters who say not to trade him to a division rival. All of that said, if Ernie can swing a first-round pick for him AND dump Etan's salary, there will be a big silver lining in this. It will give us some needed cap room, and put us in the mix for free agency next year. I'd rather get a pick than the names I've heard mentioned thus far (Posey, Swift).

Also, we really need to do what we can to keep Blatche, so the extra cap room would help us this year. I will lose my hair (and it's already going) if we let Dallas steal him from under us. I don't see Ernie let that happening, but he uncharacteristically shot his load too early in signing DS when he did. But I have a good feeling that we'll be OK when all is said and done.

By the way, I'm moving to Philly and will miss watching Stevie B and Phil Chenier this year. Daggerrrrrrrrrr! At least I can still read Ivan and Mikie's great articles and posts.

Posted by: Eric | July 17, 2007 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Obviously way too early to say, but if we indeed have to trade JCN and it looks to be that way to rid ourselves of Etan or AD's salary for Blatche, 2008's draft at least looks very deep with talent especially for point guards. Sound strategy to achieve both immediate cap space and acquiring long term young talent.

Posted by: Wizzin' By Ya | July 17, 2007 1:48 PM | Report abuse

I know Magloire is garbage now but, lets not forget that he will be playing with the greatest point gaurd alive in Jason Kidd. Yes, Kidd is better than Nash. He's gonna maximize Magloire potential (or what's left of it anyway).

Posted by: C.Bell | July 17, 2007 1:50 PM | Report abuse

I don't see memphis giving up lowry without us throwing in our 1st round pick next year, which i'd be fine with since lowry is probably better than anything we'll get with one of our picks.

Posted by: JC | July 17, 2007 1:56 PM | Report abuse

"I'd be fine with a draft pick from Miami for Navarro because:

(A) I expect that the Heat aren't going to be very good. They're old as dirt and Shaq is breaking down. You can pencil him in to miss half the season. And Wade showed signs last season of flinching under having to carry the weight of the team in Shaq's absence. A draft pick from them could be decent.

(B) I don't think Navarro will be the automatic difference maker some are expecting. He's an undersized scoring guard in a league where players like that (at least those who lack the kind of off the chart's athleticism like Wade) have a tough road. He'll likely be a solid NBA contributor at some point, but I don't see him making a big immediate splash. " - Kalorama

I wholeheartedly agree here. The fuss over such an unknown is killing me and I am not that much afraid of the Heat anymore. If we are any good, they should not be much of an obstacle for us.

Remember: Ivan said that the one scout who probably had seen him the most in person predicted he would be a nice 6th man on a playoff team. Now that is not bad, but some in here are making it seem like championships are being decided based upon where he lands. Plus, he is a combo guard and the Wiz have about 3/4 of those already.

Posted by: Rob P | July 17, 2007 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Like Haywood, Magloire is well past the point where he has any potential left to maximize. He hit his peak a couple years ago when he lucked into an all-star berth. He's been coasting (mostly downhill) ever since.

That said, Kidd has a way of making the most marginal players look like they have game. Hell, Mikki Moore should be kicking back a percentage of his Sacramento deal to JKidd.

Posted by: kalorama | July 17, 2007 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Nobody is mentioning the fact that we can actually stand pat on JCN if no deal worth our while comes at us. I'v read or correct me if I'm wrong that we hold his rights for another year regardless. But moving him along with Etan's salary is what we need most. The sleeper could be to move A-D (although I think he's been productive) along with JCN if Miles really proves his worth in camp. Just don't send him to Miami. Magloire will improve playing with Jason Kidd. That's 2 dunks a game from his pace, penetration and court vision alone.

Posted by: G$ | July 17, 2007 2:12 PM | Report abuse

C Bell, Kidd is not the best point guard alive! He is very good, but not the best. And he is NOT better than Nash. Hell, I'd take Chris Paul over him at this point.

Magloire is garbage! They would have been better off with Mickie Moore. Not sure why they let that dude go - money? Magloire reminds me of Ike Austin who had a couple of good hustle years as a banger then got a decent contract and lost the hustle.

Posted by: Rob P | July 17, 2007 2:13 PM | Report abuse

"When Juan Carlos Navarro is shining for the Heat amongst Miami's roster of bums (and a hurt Dwyane Wade), I won't be able to sleep at night."

Oh it's coming, count on it. I can see in a couple years the Wiz trying to unload Stevenson like Etan and remembering how they could have had one of the best back courts in the NBA. I usually agree with EG but not this time.

They better at least get a #1 for him.

I'm glad for Strawberry, he seems like a good kid. I enjoyed watching him play at UMD.

"What's his face" on Comcast said Durant/Green is your next Pippen/Jordan. This is probably the first time I've ever agreed with a statement like that, I can easily see it happening.

- Ray

Posted by: Ray | July 17, 2007 2:15 PM | Report abuse

"he uncharacteristically shot his load too early in signing DS when he did."
ROFLOL. Couldn't put it any better than that myself.

Posted by: mark | July 17, 2007 2:15 PM | Report abuse

The Wiz needed someone to step up and raise the bar for Juan. Thanks Pau. Doubt they let Lowry go though. Stoudamire and Swift for Etan and AD... eh. Swift and a protected pick for Etan, JCN, and some cash to offset Etan's trade kicker? meh.

The Heat have nothing to offer in salary cap relief or usable players and even with faulty and injury prone stars their draft pick is in the 20's. No thanks. Saw it on the other story: make them find a package we'd except from a 3rd team.

Posted by: Johnny Boy | July 17, 2007 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Good to see Ray back even though he owes Ivan a steak dinner.

Posted by: JJ | July 17, 2007 2:21 PM | Report abuse

I will say that if Kidd had any shot whatsoever he probably would have 1 or 2 trophies by now. Instead he gets beat in the playoffs by the Cavs with two former/current all-stars on his team. He can't be that all world.

Vince Carter is garbage too by the way! He has been coasting on his name for years now. Loser comes to mind when I think of Carter! If he gets voted into another all-star game by fans, I am going to puke. He's deserved about 2 appearances in his career not however many he actually has - 6/7?

Posted by: Rob P | July 17, 2007 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Kidd isn't the player he once was, but he's still, at worst, a top 10 PG in the NBA, possibly top 5.

The Nets teams that made it to the Finals two years in a row wouldn't have gotten out of the second round if it weren't for Kidd.

Posted by: kalorama | July 17, 2007 2:29 PM | Report abuse

J Kidd should go into the HOF with a backbrace he's carried so many teams through the playoffs.

Posted by: Johnny Boy | July 17, 2007 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Magloire might play better with Kidd than he has been but Kidd is at his best offensively pushing the ball runnin' and gunnin' - something TJ Ford isn't too bad at either and recall Magloire wasn't anything to crow about in Milwaukee either. Bad enough to ship him out for scrap meat. Magloire will be better with Kidd but his skills have continued to decline since he was with Ford so if he's going to be better this year, it's not by much.

BTW, Kidd may have been better than Nash 4 or 5 years ago but not anymore. Kidd has declined while Nash even getting older has remarkably been getting better. Granted Kidd's defense and rebounding are much better but Nash is a gritty player who will toe the dirty line ala Stockton back in the day. But the biggest thing that makes Nash better is that he's not just a fast break miracle point guard but is extremely effective in the half court offense with his in traffic passes and of course that killer shooting stroke Kidd would die for. He shot 46% on 3 pointers and that was with every team emphasizing their defense on him. Look up the best PGs overall shooting percentage in history. Even the best hardly shot better than 40% most even less than 40%. That's overall shootin percentage let alone the 3 pointer. Our very own PG Gil Arenas, whether ideal or not for that position but you really can't complain about the results, has a career shooting percentage of 43% and 36% for 3 pointers - very good for a PG but much less than Nash's career of 48% and 43%, respectively.

PGs take much tougher pressure shots and often with less time on the shot clock. Basketball is first and foremost a game of size, then skills and of course if you're big and you've got crazy skills then you can see why everyone is so hyped up about Durant. If your skills are that much better, then it can compensate for your lack of size. That's how Iverson, Parker, Nash, etc.. can still be incredible threats against much bigger players. Typically being the smallest player on the court, PGs take a majority of their shots outside the paint so that it won't get get blocked. For just about every player, a 25 foot shot is so much harder to convert than a 5 footer.

So how is it that Nash, who is quite quick but isn't half the athlete most guys on the floor with him are, can play so efficiently passing and shooting such a high percentage? Uncanny skills and marksmanship almost nobody can match. It was a much closer argument a few years back between Kidd and Nash, but it's not anymore as evidenced by his recent MVP trophies.

I got carried away a bit here, but thanks for reading the lengthy post, everyone.

Posted by: Wizzin' By Ya | July 17, 2007 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Jason Kidd averaged a triple double in the playoffs last year, there is not another point guard, and possibly not even another player in the league that could do that. Not to mention he is a very good defender. For a one year run, there are few other point guards I would take.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 17, 2007 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Pau Gasol's helping us out guys. Let's hope he continues demanding the Grizz get Navarro. That way the Wizards gain leverage and are able to avoid dealing with the Heat and the Cavs.

Posted by: Emmet | July 17, 2007 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Kalorama's correct, but Johnny Boy who cares. Many really good players have carried teams into the playoffs. The initial statement about Kidd was he is the best PG in the league right now, which is not true! I don't know if he has ever been THE best in the league. Well, maybe for one or two years, perhaps.

Posted by: Rob P | July 17, 2007 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Ivan I really liked what I saw in vegas from the rookies at times in vegas, but looked just like the wizards of now who can't play well in the 4th quarter. Pech looked good in summer league, though he has work to do, I think once he gets banged around a little bit when the season starts he will start to adjust. Nick has to learn when to shoot and when to pass.We all know he can score, but the best players learn how to expand their games beyond their strong suits, that's why Mcguire excels. Aaron miles is a keeper, if he makes the team which I think he would, he will be our only pure point guard, and he does two things exceptionally well,does not turn the ball over and get's the team into the office. But we all have to remember that it was only Summer league. Oh! Ivan, quick question, Do you think Ernie will push for a player like Stromile Swift if we trade Navarro to Memphis? I think it would make sense to try and get a player in the post that woould help, especially seeing the Memphis signed Milicic. Which way do you think that's going to work out.

Posted by: Ed | July 17, 2007 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Tony Parker, Steve Nash, Chris Paul pop into my head as players who I would take over Kidd. Kidd is really good, but his shot is soo horrible it really hurts his game especially in the playoffs.

Posted by: Rob P | July 17, 2007 2:55 PM | Report abuse

looks like EG has to be following the plan of packaging JCN/Etan for whatever he can get as a means to signing blatche. and i think that will be the final move before the season, other than signing hall and other end of the bench folks.
i can't believe they will let blatche go.

and the idea of Etan playing for the heat makes me nervous. he's always good for a few 15 point 15 rebound 5 block games. he would love to do that 4 times a year vs. BTH.

Posted by: steve colter | July 17, 2007 2:58 PM | Report abuse

With Yi not going to the Bucks, we should definitely make a push for him.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 17, 2007 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Yi eventually will be a contributor but he's much more raw than Blatche is right now. He's not going to be ready to contribute much for another 2-3 years.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 17, 2007 3:11 PM | Report abuse

People get carried away when they talk about Nash. He's not the best PG in the league. Forget about MVP. If so, then Bruce Bowen should be considered among the best players in the league, too. Nash plays NO defense. He might be the best PG on one end of the court but to deserve MVP, you should have to play a little D. No one holds him accountable for some reason but he's entirely one dimensional. That dimension is offense and he's GREAT at it but definitely did not deserve MVP. Gary Payton in his prime would have wiped the floor with Nash because he was efficient at both ends. I think people are so much in love with the running and gunning that they ignore this HUGE detail. The Spurs and Pistons are so boring that when a guy comes along that brings life into the game again, it distorts everyone's perspective. Tony Parker averaged 28 per game against the Suns this year. (2nd highest. He averaged 28.5 against the Knicks). Why does he continue to get a pass?

Posted by: mark | July 17, 2007 3:13 PM | Report abuse

So next year what happens? Who goes to make room for Gil & AJ's new contracts? We need to get rid of Etan and AD now, plus we can't take on any more contracts, even to JCN. If Dallas offer AB a sweet deal, we have to pass and let him go.

Face it, we have 3 all stars who are gonna get paid, and that doesn't leave room for much more than rookie contracts and vet minimums.

Posted by: Cballer | July 17, 2007 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Never said he was the best PG in the NBA. But at an advanced age, playing on borrowed knees, he's still carrying teams. What can I say, chicks dig the long ball. I dig the triple-double. If we're starting with all of those guys at age 20, then Kidd has to be near the top. If its right now, starting a team obviously I'[d have a different answer.

I'm sure Ernie is skillful enough to speak with Pau's agent regarding Juan Carlos. Let him know what Memphis is offering so Pau can keep the pressure on.

Posted by: Johnny Boy | July 17, 2007 3:14 PM | Report abuse

good point!

Posted by: Hugh Gerection | July 17, 2007 3:16 PM | Report abuse

This is a decent article written in 2005 about Nash. It's about halfway down the page. I figure since there's no Wiz news, we can talk general BBall.
http://www.sportscolumn.com/story/2005/5/10/14133/0950

Posted by: mark | July 17, 2007 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Just for kicks for those who still think Hughes is anything, as a natural 2 guard not even a 1, his career shooting percentage is only 41% and an abysmal 29% at 3 point range. Not very good assist figures neither. Those numbers got him $14M/year and he had the audacity to say that EG low-balled him at $10M/year? I'm glad he's gone and now he's Cleveland's headache just don't keep trying to say he's any good, please.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 17, 2007 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Yi's handlers don't want him going to Milwaukee because they believe he wouldn't get an opportunity for playing time there...is the situation much different here? He's clearly not a center and at PF he'd have AT LEAST Antawn, Pesh and Songalia in front of him. At the three there's Caron, McGuire and Blatche if he's retained. All of the summer league reports say this kid still has a long way to go and he'll need the PT to get there. A three year contract might not be enough time to evaluate this kid if he's not going to see significant minutes and he probably wouldn't here. I wouldn't pay the price Milwaukee is going to ask for this kid just to watch him rot away on the bench.

Posted by: Woodbridge J | July 17, 2007 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Hugh, I just got it !! You guys in this forum are funny as he11. "Hugh Gerection" ???

ROFLOL AGAIN !!

Posted by: mark | July 17, 2007 3:25 PM | Report abuse

uh mark, that's a big philly fan article too also saying that if AI replaced Nash, the Suns would never lose. talk about bias.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 17, 2007 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Hey Ivan thanks for the post... its always nice to get an update even when there really isn't much new going on.

Posted by: Dante | July 17, 2007 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Big O 61-62

30.8 ppg
12.5 rpg
11.4 ast

No point Guard let only player ever had a season anything close to that.

Posted by: pg posse | July 17, 2007 3:30 PM | Report abuse

AJ's contract next season will be far below what he made this year. He's another veteran coming off a bad deal like Michael Finley, Steve Francis, et al. Just like Stackhouse went from 9 mil down to just over 6 for the Mavs on this deal Jamison will come down as well. Who is going to pay him 10 million? no one. Its more likely that the Wizards find room for him at their price over 2 or 3 years so he can end his career here. Keep in mind, he's going to be very popular nearer the trade deadline.

his hometown of Charlotte is another option but they aren't know for spending money and don't really have room for him.

Posted by: Stringer | July 17, 2007 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Wilt 61-62

50.4 ppg

25.7 rpg

Posted by: Anonymous | July 17, 2007 3:37 PM | Report abuse

I think Stringer has a valid point. I'd be willing to take it a step further and say that there is a possibility that AJ doesn't get resigned at all. OP or Blatche may be ready for a larger role at that point. McGuire seems to be another undersized PF in that same AJ mold. It's highly likely that Washington, after giving Gil a max deal, decide to let one of the young guys step into the role so they don't stress themselves out too much cap wise.

If you get a guy like Stro or Warrick in a trade for JCN and you already have Pesh and others battling for that four spot then do you really overpay, even a little, to keep AJ around? I don't think so.

Posted by: Woodbridge J | July 17, 2007 3:38 PM | Report abuse

pg posse, you're right about those numbers but who really knows what level of competition was during those days and how the rules were applied/called? That's why it's so incredibly hard to compare players in much different eras fairly.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 17, 2007 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Gasol's just starting to knock down the doors to get out of Memphis. When they don't get Navarro, and they won't come up with the package to do it. Gasol will use that as his excuse to demand a trade again.
Which will be fine with their owner because he's failed to find a cash buyer and he's going to operate on the cheap for awhile til some group or somebody shows up with alot of cash and a yearning to own a team in a second rate pro sports town. Which maybe never.
Gasol wants out, their owner wants to dump the 63m he's owed plus a couple of other bloated contracts. Boston and Chicago seem to be drying up as trade destinations. And the new coach and GM are talking about playing an uptempo wide open style of basketball. Doesn't exactly fit a 7' power forward who's not the quickest of foot.
Somebody's going to get a bargain if they can sit tight long enough. And it appears Ernie is sitting there holding the card that somebody needs to make it happen. Jaun Carlos Navarro, Pau Gasol, and all you Wizards fans may as well settle in for the summer. Ernie's playing poker, he's got a good hand, and he's in no hurry to play it.
As long as Dallas doesn't force his hand with a Blatche signing he can sit tight and take his time looking at deals. We're dealing from a point of strength so Grunfeld is in no hurry. I'd really like to know Ivan, was your Birdie from Dallas? Or did he work for Blatche?


Somebody's getting a bargain

Posted by: GM | July 17, 2007 3:43 PM | Report abuse

As long as Grunfeld is running the team and Jordan is coaching, I think there's almost no chance of Jamison not being re-signed (unless he himself decides to go elsewhere). I think those guys have a pretty good understanding of how important he is to the team beyond his actual statistical production. Unless some other team offers to wildly overpay him, he'll be back.

Posted by: kalorama | July 17, 2007 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Why, why, why would we trade JCN to Miami -our old nemesis?? That's crazy!

Posted by: Lisa | July 17, 2007 3:56 PM | Report abuse

uncle. the article IS biased but i get riled up about Nash-lovers. re: AJ... I think we're a better team without him. We're a different team for sure. I think we're closer to the conventional NBA team rather than the Suns (where we are now). Less running, a little more defense. Are Gil and Caron good enough to win a championship with? I guess that's the crucial question. Typically one of the 2 best players on a championship team are inside players (Bulls being the exception). Can we do it our way? Hope so.

Posted by: mark | July 17, 2007 4:03 PM | Report abuse

I don't see Jamison in a Wizards uniform in 2008-2009. Caron will take his place as the emotional/inspirational leader in the locker room. The young guys Blatche, Pech and McGuire would take his place; whoever proves the best this season. Songaila will be there too, but I think he'll be given more and more time at center, especially if (when) they get rid of Etan and/or Brenda.

Posted by: CT | July 17, 2007 4:07 PM | Report abuse

The Wiz are only a better team without Jamison if they can replace him with a better, more productive player. I really don't see Pecherov being ready to fill the 20/8 void Jamison would leave behind that soon. I think he's going to take a while to reach his peak. And I'm not convinced yet his peak is as high as 20/8. Same with Blatche. Those guys are a few years awayy.

Posted by: kalorama | July 17, 2007 4:12 PM | Report abuse

well, if someone was offering me 65 over 5 and someone else offered 50 over 5 the second would seem to be low-balling to me too.

Wasn't Hughes' complaint more along the lines that the Wizards knew the Cavs offer, but offered far less anyway?

Posted by: Johnny Boy | July 17, 2007 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Any chance that Ernie is trying to reunite JCN and Pau -- here in DC, instead of in Memphis? I would assume we don't have the assets to make that trade happen.

Posted by: Abe | July 17, 2007 4:17 PM | Report abuse

I guess your definition of low-ball is same as Hughes' is but EG and mine's isn't cause Hughes was looking for more than $12M/year - more than the best player on the team (Gil) - and EG obviously didn't he was as good or deserved that. He offered as close to Gil's numbers as he felt reasonable. So again, that low-ball definition is a little sketchy but he's good riddance and is now the Cav's problem.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 17, 2007 4:27 PM | Report abuse

I can't see any chance of Gasol landing here. It's unlikely the Wiz are going to trade one of the big 3, and there's nothing else they have that would interest Memphis.

Posted by: kalorama | July 17, 2007 4:35 PM | Report abuse

I'm by no means a Nash lover, but you gotta respect his game and his efficiency using more his head more than his athleticism to beat his opponents. Like Kobe, love him or hate him, you gotta give Nash props for having that talent to dominate.

I'm a Wiz fan through and through with Gil being my favorite. Not saying Gil's better than Nash or Kobe or whoever, he's just our very own home town Wiz and a great guy to root for. Homerism and all, Gil is still a top 15 or so player in the league.

Posted by: Wizzin' By Ya | July 17, 2007 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Signing with Charlotte is storybook, but cash trumps the storybook most days... and a ring writes a better story than just finishing your career at home.

Thats the scenario I didn't mention: chasing the ring. Thats probably right there with re-signing with Washington as an option. He's made GOOD money for awhile now. He can afford, if he so chooses, to play the role of hired gun for a contending team.

I agree with others who've talked about Blatche (if back) starting to cannibalize AJ's minutes this year with the idea that he takes over in 08. AJ'd be great off the bench for us, but with the guys we've accumulated it appears Ernie is prepping for like without AJ.

Posted by: Stringer | July 17, 2007 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Mark,

So I guess all the sportswriters got it wrong when they voted Nash MVP twice?

He is the definition of MVP. He makes everyone on that roster better even all-star caliber (Diaw). Is he the best defender in the league? No, but at least he will hustle on D. I watched him draw numerous charges during the playoffs. When is the last time you saw Arenas draw a charge during any game and Arenas has the physical attributes to be a very good defender. Nash, truth be told, does not.

Posted by: Rob P | July 17, 2007 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Gotta say..Nash is one of the best I've EVER seen at finding open teammates and getting them the ball in transition. Kidd, Nash, Magic, Bird, Mark Jackson the young Isiah ...it's a short list. I left Stockton out because most of his assists came to one guy on the pick and roll. He was good but it's easier than finding teammates in transition.

Posted by: mark | July 17, 2007 4:47 PM | Report abuse

I don't understand the logic of trading JCN for a draft pick. The only way it makes sense is if it's a top ten first rounder. The only reason we should trade him before we sign him, and see what he's all about, is to get rid of a bad contract like Etan's.

The rationale for not having him on the team was that we can't afford him (because of the luxury tax), but we're almost certain to go over the luxury tax once we resign Blatche and fill out the roster. We're something like 3.5m away from it right now.

If the strategy is to resign Blatche and then make some move to cut salary before the end of the season (and avoid the end of season application of the luxury tax) then how does trading JCN for a pick help with that?

We might as well sign JCN and Blatche, and bite the bullet on the luxury tax this season. We're going over it anyway unless:

1) we move JCN *and* a contract (we might still go over it even then since we have to take back salary within 25% of what we send)

or

2) we let Blatche walk and fill out the roster with minimum salary guys (which would be monumentally stupid)

We'll be well under the tax (and the cap) next season once AJ's bloated 16m salary is off the books, it's not like we'll be crippled financially forever by signing JCN and seeing if he can live up to the hype. We'd probably be paying him about half of what freaking Kapono got.

Abe needs to open up the pursestrings and pay the tax one season to lock up this young player for several seasons at a bargain rate. We just might end up having one of the deepest and most talented backcourts in the league for several years to come.

Posted by: uranderson | July 17, 2007 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Swift would be a backup Center here, not a 4.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 17, 2007 4:48 PM | Report abuse

mark, about 3 years ago before they signed Raja Bell, acquired Diaw and a few other pieces the Suns didn't play any defense but last year they had near the top offense to go along with an OK defense ~ not at bottom like before and like the Wiz have been. Nash may not play great D, at best he's average now - that's still better than Gil.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 17, 2007 4:51 PM | Report abuse

"Good to see Ray back even though he owes Ivan a steak dinner."

Lol, yeah that sucks. ;)

I'm good for it if he wants it though. :)

- Ray

Posted by: Ray | July 17, 2007 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Rob P. Yes they bowed to peer pressure. Same as the guys who DIDN'T vote for Jordan every year while they were winning in the 80's. Do you believe that there was a player who was better than Jordan from 85-90 something while the Bulls were winning? Me neither. I guess you have to really define what the MVP is for. How do you determine whether someone makes their teammates better? Without Gil, is Caron an all star? Heck no. I'm not knocking Nash as much as saying they need to define the exact criteria for the award. If it's about making your team better, why wasn't Stoudemire given more votes during those years when Nash won it? Didn't he have something to do with it? Why hasn't Shaq won it 8 or 9 times ? Duncan has a bunch of championships. Shouldnt he have as many MVP's as championships? I just don't get the reasoning. He's great, yes. But he's not worthy of a 3 time MVP

Posted by: mark | July 17, 2007 4:55 PM | Report abuse

'"Good to see Ray back even though he owes Ivan a steak dinner."

Lol, yeah that sucks. ;)'

Maybe, but it's good for us Wiz fans since it means Arvis won't be building brick houses for the Wiz this year. We'll all have more hair to show for it. Thanks for taking it for the team, Ray.

Posted by: Wizzin' By Ya | July 17, 2007 5:01 PM | Report abuse

he's not, he's a two timer MVP

Posted by: Anonymous | July 17, 2007 5:03 PM | Report abuse

in '93, Barkley won MVP with 25.6/12.2/5.1 and the Suns won 62 games. Jordan was at 32.6/6.7/5.5 and they won 57 games. Jordan was also 1st team all defense and they beat the Suns in the Finals. All I'm saying is that the writers aren't always right.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 17, 2007 5:03 PM | Report abuse

uranderson,
because we signed DS for 3.75 we only have 1.6 left under the MLE to sign JCN. He's looking for 3 mil or so. He won't sign for less just to get to the NBA when he knows other teams will offer much more than we can.

Posted by: JJ | July 17, 2007 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Dominic McGuire- The Dominator

Posted by: Nicky | July 17, 2007 5:09 PM | Report abuse

they actually screwed up, 3 years ago they gave it to Nash instead of Shaq who deserved it more. then last year they gave it to Dirk when it was actually Nash's best year of the last 3 years. so, it actually evened out that he got 2 MVPs that he deserved just wrong years. lol

Posted by: Anonymous | July 17, 2007 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Votes are in before the regular season ends so who beat who in the playoffs is meaningless. Thats why they have a Finals MVP.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 17, 2007 5:11 PM | Report abuse

Still take Nash over Kidd anyday! Nash gets easier shots for his teammates than just about any PG I've ever seen. Maybe Magic was in his class just been a long time since I've seen him play.

Whomever stated that Arenas made Caron an all-star is completely wrong. Arenas, god bless him, is a great player who makes nobody on his team better. One of his biggest negatives to this point. Caron was on a career track that he was going to be an all-star this year. LA just gave up on him too soon. Remember Caron had a really good rookie season then ran into a couple of years of nagging injuries.

Posted by: Rob P | July 17, 2007 5:18 PM | Report abuse

another reason why Duncan hasn't won that many regular season MVPs, the Spurs play the regular season to learn about their team and who can contribute what and how much. that's the reason why they always start slow early in the year, then get better and better as the playoffs approach. that philosophy earns them titles but keeps them under the radar during the regular season.

Shaq on the other hand, coasts as an individual year in and year out until the playoffs and tries to turn it on then.

you can't win regular season MVPs playing that way, voters can see that and aren't too impressed with it but these guys do win the MVPs in the finals.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 17, 2007 5:21 PM | Report abuse

Yeah sure, Arenas makes nobody better.

That's why Hughes had his best season playing with Arenas.

That's why Deshawn had his best season playing with Arenas. That's why when Arenas went down, Deshawn couldn't hit a shot. No correlation whatsoever. It was just coincidence that Deshawn went into a twenty game slump.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 17, 2007 5:21 PM | Report abuse

Arenas isn't a traditional PG, and I wouldn't give him too much credit for making Butler or Jamison better (they're legit All-Stars on their own), but it's pretty clear the other, b-list players on the team are more effective and productive when he's on the floor.

Posted by: kalorama | July 17, 2007 5:29 PM | Report abuse

rob p, right and wrong. you're wrong that Arenas doesn't make Butler or any other player better. he does, although most of the time it's not him actively doing it via a pass or something like that. it's by correlation that defenses are either geared or paying so much attention to Arenas that it allows Butler and company to be more of a threat than they usually are. so, right that Caron probably would have made it any way, either last year or soon without Arenas but his case was much stronger because the attention Arenas received. But other players like DS2 benefitted and was better playing with the collective Big 3 to which Arenas is a big part of.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 17, 2007 5:30 PM | Report abuse

"another reason why Duncan hasn't won that many regular season MVPs, the Spurs play the regular season to learn about their team and who can contribute what and how much. that's the reason why they always start slow early in the year, then get better and better as the playoffs approach. that philosophy earns them titles but keeps them under the radar during the regular season.

Shaq on the other hand, coasts as an individual year in and year out until the playoffs and tries to turn it on then.

you can't win regular season MVPs playing that way, voters can see that and aren't too impressed with it but these guys do win the MVPs in the finals."

Anon, totally agree with you on this. Jordan was one of the few that had the drive to play so intensely all year round plus the playoffs to win the regular and finals MVPs with the titles too, of course.

Posted by: Wizzin' By Ya | July 17, 2007 5:34 PM | Report abuse

Play with Arenas then get paid.
Larry Hughes did it. Jeffries did it. Deshawn did it. To an extent Caron did it too.

Posted by: JJ | July 17, 2007 5:34 PM | Report abuse

"Maybe, but it's good for us Wiz fans since it means Arvis won't be building brick houses for the Wiz this year. We'll all have more hair to show for it. Thanks for taking it for the team, Ray."

Posted by: Wizzin' By Ya | July 17, 2007 05:01 PM

rofl Amen Wizzin!

Posted by: Anonymous | July 17, 2007 5:39 PM | Report abuse

I think I get it EG...you put out the word that teams need to take either the ET or the AD contract if they want JCN. Both bad contracts, but it softens the blow for a team that eventually bites and takes the AD contract (in xchange giving us a draft pick, cap space and JCN), as they can say they achieved a minor victory by not taking the ET contract. Very good EG; hope it works!

Posted by: piratelout | July 17, 2007 5:49 PM | Report abuse

GA will be much better defensively this coming year. Mark my words. A lightbulb went on for him while watching the playoffs during his rehab. He was quoted in the WPost at that time. He saw what it takes to be Cleveland next year...some D from Gilbert and more consistent scoring off the bench...not that much more.

Posted by: dbeliever | July 17, 2007 5:55 PM | Report abuse

Abe, I was thinking tha same thing B4 I entered the blog about trying to get Pau to D.C., but that just would not work in our favor in any way. We would have top give up players plus a first rounder for the likes of Pau, and we certainly don't have the players to give up at this point. After a dismal year last year Memphis would want to get better if they made a trade and they wouldn't be doing that with us.

Posted by: Easy Ed | July 17, 2007 5:57 PM | Report abuse

Abe, I was thinking tha same thing B4 I entered the blog about trying to get Pau to D.C., but that just would not work in our favor in any way. We would have top give up players plus a first rounder for the likes of Pau, and we certainly don't have the players to give up at this point. After a dismal year last year Memphis would want to get better if they made a trade and they wouldn't be doing that with us.

Posted by: Easy Ed | July 17, 2007 5:57 PM | Report abuse

uranderson makes a great point about the luxury tax this year

What is it now $6 or $7 for a miller lite at a wiz game? It's getting to the point that the fans are already paying our own luxuary tax - and didn't DC just gave abe a low-interest $50 mil loan for more luxury seats? It's hard to identify with EG's luxury tax problem.

Come on, we have 3 legit all-stars AND we're building a core of developing players and vets that DO deserve the typical starter/goodbackup salaries. How do you NOT go over the cap with 3 all-stars?

Why not sign JCN to a nice 1 year deal (he really has no other option if that's what we offer) pay the tax and see where he fits in after we've done deals with the big 3.

Posted by: CBaller | July 17, 2007 6:00 PM | Report abuse

My $.02 on who plays well with or without Gil. Having Gil on the court with Antawn spreads the scoring load around but Gil does not make him play better. All-star or not this year, what I know is that Antawn stepped on the court and carried the whole team on his back in the playoffs. He got banged up pretty good, and his whole body must have ached every night starting with his knees. Now if only the rest of the team has half his heart. That's why he stays in this town until he retires and gets a front office job. The team needs him more than he needs the team.

Posted by: rgz | July 17, 2007 6:07 PM | Report abuse

Where is it written that the Wiz must do anything about JCN?? He could stay in Spain for one more year.
If someone wants him badly enough ET and/or BH must go with him.

Posted by: lrmc623 | July 17, 2007 6:07 PM | Report abuse

The most we could offer him is a "nice" 1.8 million i think, if not the 1.6 left over from the MLE. He needs to make more to pay the buyout anyway. plus other teams are lining up to pay him over 3.

Posted by: Stringer | July 17, 2007 6:12 PM | Report abuse

Anon,

I get what your saying about "right and wrong". He draws attention, yes, but he is not directly making anything easier for his teammates ala Jordan, Magic, Nash, Bird etc.... Kenny and Charles were saying the exact same thing during Arena's midyear "Agent Zero for MVP" explosion and I quote: "Gilbert is good at making Gilbert great. I want to see him make his teammates better before I even think about him for MVP."

Hughes and Caron were all-star caliber talents before Arenas. Jamison was as well. Of course, DS left with just Jamison was not that good. That proves nothing except they were missing their two best players and his role changed.

Posted by: Rob P | July 17, 2007 6:16 PM | Report abuse

Well, if we're to believe what's been reported, Grunfeld clearly wants to get a deal for Navarro done, most likely on orders from Pollin to avoid the tax.

Most sports teams are owned by billionaires or huge corporations that could easily afford to pay the luxury tax. But if you asked them, they'd tell you they didn't get to be billionaires by spending money unnecessarily.

Do they have to deal Navarro? No. But there's every indication it's what they plan on doing.

Posted by: kalorama | July 17, 2007 6:17 PM | Report abuse

Sick of China and sick of Yi. If Stern has any cajones, he'll tell China to go f' off and if they want to keep yi over there, then fine. Stern doesn't play these games with the American players, so lets see if he'll bow to the commmies.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 17, 2007 7:07 PM | Report abuse

Yes sir!

Posted by: Hugh Gerection | July 17, 2007 7:20 PM | Report abuse

What do you mean he doesn't play games with American players? What's the difference between Yi not wanting to be in Milwaukee and Francis not wanting Vancouver?

Posted by: Anonymous | July 17, 2007 7:59 PM | Report abuse

JCN + Ike Austin + John Mark Karr for Jermaine O'Neal

Posted by: Anonymous | July 17, 2007 8:07 PM | Report abuse


It would be a stupid move for Ernie Grunfeld to trade JNC to Miami because they are division rivals..rivals who have crushed the Wiz how many consecutive games?? If he's going to deal him to Miami, he better gouge them good in terms of players in exchange or a multiple draft picks.

It would be wiser to move JNC to Memphis or some West team..Memphis, Phoenix, Houston, etc.

Posted by: Baller4Life | July 17, 2007 8:08 PM | Report abuse

assuming memphis really wants to unload money and start from scratch, we do have the assets to obtain gasol. we'd have to give up jamison, next years draft pick, and potentially take back another contract from them (like stoudamire).

Posted by: JC | July 17, 2007 8:15 PM | Report abuse

DCWoman talking out of his arse again, the break was nice now, "It's bbbbbbbbbbbbaaaaaaaccccccckkkkkk..."

Posted by: Anonymous | July 17, 2007 8:27 PM | Report abuse

Dealing JCN to Miami would be a bad move. I think EG knows this and would rather trade him to some other team besides a division rival. Miami has eaten Les BouleS lunch for the past 16 of 17 games. Why help them any more than Les BouleS have already?

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 17, 2007 8:34 PM | Report abuse

Don't take this as gospel, but I'm pretty sure we wouldn't need to use the mid-level exception to sign JCN. I don't know all the details, but I remember reading that somewhere. Had something to do with him being our former draft pick and not an unrestricted fa, iirc.

Posted by: uranderson | July 17, 2007 8:54 PM | Report abuse

Uh what are you guys smoking who think we can just lose Jamison without getting a replacement and somehow be better next year? The only player with even a remote chance of matching Jamison's production in 08-09 is Blatche... maybe. Jamison had one of the highest PERs in the playoffs of all PFs this past year.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 17, 2007 9:01 PM | Report abuse

Kwame Brown + birthday cake for Caron Butler + Chucky Atkins

Posted by: Anonymous | July 17, 2007 9:04 PM | Report abuse

Woodbridge J,

It is my understanding that Yi's handlers do not want him to play in Milwaukee due to the perceived small Asian population there -and the fact it is not one of the US major cities. It has nothing to do with playing time (or lack of it).

Posted by: Lisa | July 17, 2007 9:11 PM | Report abuse

The official reason is worry about a lack of playing time, but the Asian population thing has been floating around for some time.

People need to get a grip if they really think DMC or Young will contribute right away. They're rookies and not particularly highly touted. Yeah, one of them might do very well this upcoming season, but chances are unlikely.

Ok, so Yi won't contribute for 2-3 years. You really think we're going to be competing for a championship before then? I don't. We don't have the pieces or the playoff experience.

People wanting to get rid of Jamison either this year or next are nuts. The guy is our best rebounder and scores gets 20ppg. If we trade him this year, we better get something really nice in return (Gasol, Garnett?). If we let him walk away next year, we better snag a damn good free agent to make up for him.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 17, 2007 9:34 PM | Report abuse

Please, oh please, take FraGile Swift for JCN. Every time the plane hits turbulence someone has to check on Stro to see if he needs to go on IR. They wrap him in bubble wrap and styrofoam peanuts to get him to the games.
As a Griz fan, I'd love to see JCN and Pau together to see what some chemistry can do. But I don't know if he's worth more than a pick and Stro, and there's NO WAY I'd give up Lowry.
Surely EG and our new brass can find a solution.

Posted by: BluesCity | July 17, 2007 9:39 PM | Report abuse

DMac will win MVP and rookie of the year this coming season. Take that to the bank!

Posted by: Anonymous | July 17, 2007 9:45 PM | Report abuse

Can people stop saying "playoffs" like they played 20 games against the 96 Bulls. "The playoffs" equals 4 games against a team trying desperately to play just good enough to win.

The thing about newer stats like PER etc is knowing when they are relevant. But most of what I've read are people talking themselves into a POV and adding weak stats to help.

A 4-game PER doesn't compare to guys tripling that number of games in 2 series. Jamison's stats were through the roof because he was an all star playing without the 2 best players on his team. There simply was no one else over those 4 GAMES.

Posted by: JJ | July 17, 2007 10:21 PM | Report abuse

shhhhhhhhhhh, no one tell BluesCity that Etan goes on the DL whenever he breaks the tip of his pencil writing poetry. Let us swap problems and be done with this already before JCN ends up in Miami and no is happy.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 17, 2007 10:22 PM | Report abuse

Ivan/Michael,

I would like to see your projected roster and projected rotation with expected number of minutes per player by position.(ie, Blatche split between PF and center)

Posted by: KSM | July 17, 2007 10:32 PM | Report abuse

The thing about Yi's people not wanting him to play for the Bucks because of PT is the most transparent smoke screen in history. I don't see a whole lotta future HoFers in the Bucks frontline rotation. If he's worried about not being able to beat out Dan Gadzuric and Brian Skinner for PT on a lottery team, maybe he should rethink his decision about playing in the NBA.

Posted by: kalorama | July 17, 2007 10:37 PM | Report abuse

"Maybe, but it's good for us Wiz fans since it means Arvis won't be building brick houses for the Wiz this year."

I beat him to death last season, ask anyone on here. But I honestly feel bad for the guy. :(

I hope he does well, just not here.

- Ray

Posted by: Ray | July 17, 2007 11:02 PM | Report abuse

Ivan/Michael,
Is there reason to expect major moves soon, in days, or does it seem more likely that Blatche/Thomas/Navarro deals will occur over a course of weeks and months. If y'all would give your read of the likely timeframe, that would help me understand the situation.
Thanks, keep up the great work, we are grateful for what you do and hanging on your every word.

Posted by: Emmet | July 17, 2007 11:24 PM | Report abuse

People need to get a grip if they really think DMC or Young will contribute right away. They're rookies and not particularly highly touted. Yeah, one of them might do very well this upcoming season, but chances are unlikely.

Posted by: | July 17, 2007 09:34 PM

Every year there is at least one unheralded low draft pick that comes out of nowhere and surprises everyone a la dwayne wade. Now do we have one of those? Highly Unlikely but we do have draft picks this year who will actually be able to contribute in the year they were drafted. A first for this team in several years- that is why i am and i think others on this board are psyched about the draft picks.

To your point about jamison... i don't see us letting him go unless for a top flight talent in return... a la KG. I don't really see the use for Gasol on this team... not at his salary and when we have 2-3 players in the wings who could match his production a year from now at a much cheaper salary. Keep Jamison for a year and then move on to either blatche, pech, or Mcguire... we don't need gasol... we can use the money elsewhere.

Other than getting KG and a small maybe on Gasol... i can't think of anyone else we could realisticly get and we would actually want for a package including Jamison

Posted by: Dante | July 17, 2007 11:24 PM | Report abuse

I think it's a real mistake getting rid of JCN but at this point we don't have much of a choice, due to cap reasons. We have to get as much out of him as possible. With that said, it's a huge mistake if we send him to the Heat. We never beat the Heat.

Regarding AB, I don't think anyone really wants AB that badly. It looks like EG is just waiting for teams to fill their cap space so he doesn't have to over pay for AB. If no team makes an offer for AB, I assume that EG can make a reasonable offer for AB without paying him too much. I say AB may be worth somewhere between $2-3 mill a year. Anything more than that will be too much since he hasn't shown much but he still has some great potential. I still think we should sign him b/c he'll probably be a nice contributor in the next few years.

Posted by: pokerstar | July 17, 2007 11:37 PM | Report abuse

"Every year there is at least one unheralded low draft pick that comes out of nowhere and surprises everyone a la dwayne wade."

Dwyane Wade wasn't an "unheralded low draft pick." He was the number 5 pick overall.

That being said, it's entirely possible that McGuire and Young contribute this season. But it's unlikely they'll contribute consistently at a high level, enough to depend on them as the main support off the bench. They're going to have peaks and valleys and stretches where it's not going for them.

Posted by: kalorama | July 17, 2007 11:42 PM | Report abuse

Yeah Wade nearly lasted til the 2nd round...haha what a joke.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 18, 2007 12:04 AM | Report abuse

i'm not sure there's any guarantee that any of our young players will ever be up to gasol's level. the guys has averaged about 19 pts, 8.5 boards, 3 assists, and 2 blocks a game over the last 6 seasons (his entire nba career). plus he just tured 27, so he's right in his prime. he slightly exceeds jamison's numbers offensively, and adds some defense, plus cost about 4 mil less per year.

besides, gasol is a true inside player. blatche and pecherov are really wing players trapped in a 7' frame.

maybe blatche and pech will very good players, but they're a few seasons away from being consistent players, let alone all-stars. and right now we have guys in their prime, with gil and caron. the next few seasons is the time to strike with them.

Posted by: JC | July 18, 2007 12:38 AM | Report abuse

Meeeow!

Posted by: Kwame Brown's Nani | July 18, 2007 12:59 AM | Report abuse

JJ, PER is a per-minute stat, so it doesn't automatically favor guys who play in more games.

There's reason to discredit PER slightly with Jamison's playoff performance because of the extremely tiny sample size, but it's simply shortsighted to automatically conclude the stat itself is misleading. PER and other stats of their kind add a lot to the discussion.

Posted by: Pradamaster | July 18, 2007 1:38 AM | Report abuse

after read all the comments I think no one have seen JCN playing basketball. He´s a resolutive SG and an excelent team player. He will be a good player in all kind of teams and plays.

Posted by: sender | July 18, 2007 3:28 AM | Report abuse

You guys are all mixing today with tomorrow. Your team is ready to win now...JCN has to be traded for something you can use now, while your allstars are ready, forget about future growth players and draft picks. You have 3 players for the future, you just in the draft. Dont need any more of those. Trade JCN and your draft picks next year for for that stud PF or C. Live in today, man. Come onnnnn.

Posted by: oddjob | July 18, 2007 6:09 AM | Report abuse

Is one of your "oddjob's" playing racketball with "The Danny"? We don't need another team with a "WIN NOW AT ANY COST!" management. There's got to be some middle ground between how the Redskins and Nationals are being operated.
I'm not afraid of having alot of young guys on the bench if they're youth with an upside. Young, McGuire and Pecherov give us that. Miles and Hall are still young but they've had a little time in D-League and College they're not a couple of High Schoolers.
If we don't move Daniels he'll be a real solid Vet off the bench. And Songalia gives us another real Pro that can run with the starters when needed. And Blatche should now be ready to contribute from day one, last year was really his rookie year since he got shot his first year out of high school.
My big concern is Ernie does need to do something with the Etan/Haywood-Eddie love triangle. We don't need to bring in Young, Pecherov and McGuire and expose them to that. Moving Haywood or Etan will end up being addition by subtraction, divide the problems, and multiply the results!
Ernie could be working on a couple of deals, but if nothing else happens even right now he's got a better club for Eddie to work with than last summer this time. My guess is we still will yield something out of Navarro and Etan and Haywood could both be gone in seperate deals. But if Grunfeld manages to deal Daniels Navarro could still be here next year. I'd still like to know if Ivan's "Birdie" is still talking or not. I'd really like to know what Cuban and young Donnie Nelson are cooking up.

Posted by: GM | July 18, 2007 7:51 AM | Report abuse

http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/47190/20070718/haslem_thinks_trade_unlikely/

Haslem's name is coming up. He'd be a backup C here though, not just another PF.

Portland just signed RFA Travis Outlaw for 3 years, 12 million. Outlaw was another straight from high school player who averaged nearly 10 points per for the Blazers. iow, A LOT more than Blatche.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 18, 2007 8:45 AM | Report abuse

well our team as it is of now we could have made it to the finals if healthy

we would have beat Cleveland, we would hae had a tough time with the Nets, then we could have beat the Pistons, we have a good squad....i know we would have most likely gotten swept by the Spurs...because of our Big Men problem and bench scoring...now this year we ugrade on Defense (D-Mac) and ugrade to a better Bench (Nick Young, D-Mac, Pech) and hats not including JCN which we may not sign....but we really upgraded this year...maybe if we can get Camby or Aldridge we are headed start towards the NBA Finals (everyone is healthy)

does anyone think we can trade JCN rights + Brendan Haywood a Draft Pick (either 1st or 2nd) for Emeka Okafor he's is a good 15 ppg - 12 rpg guy thats all we really need and he brings in some defense to the low post (good for 2-3 bpg)

This would be a good trade..but i am afraid if we trade JCN to the same Divsion he will come back to haunt us :(

Posted by: Fulvio | July 18, 2007 9:03 AM | Report abuse

There's no next year with Navarro. He's coming over this year. Since we can't pay him we'll have to trade his rights.

Posted by: JJ | July 18, 2007 9:05 AM | Report abuse

"well our team as it is of now we could have made it to the finals if healthy"

I've heard this before and its still one of the biggest head scratchers of all time. I cringed hearing Coach Thompson say it on the radio because he knows better.

We don't play defense. You don't advance in the playoffs without playing defense, PERIOD. We were 3rd from last in opponents FG% ahead of only Dallas and the Lakers. The best teams in this category were NJ, Cleveland and Detroit, Chicago and San Antonio.

We weren't "going to the finals" if we stayed healthy. We would have played Cleveland close and beat them a few times, but it would have ended in the second round when we were unable to get stops late in the 4th, like it always does.

Stop with the Finals nonsense.

Posted by: Stringer | July 18, 2007 9:18 AM | Report abuse

and Emeka is young

Posted by: Fulvio | July 18, 2007 9:19 AM | Report abuse

ha, I don't think the UNC - Bobcats connection is so strong that they'd be willing to take BTH.

It's a nice thought, but I don't see why they would do it.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 18, 2007 9:26 AM | Report abuse

Getting Emeka would be amazing. If only Charlotte would go for that. JJ, you are wrong. Wizards only lose the rights to Navarro if he sits out the entire year and does not play for any professional team anywhere in the world.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 18, 2007 9:27 AM | Report abuse

I'll take Emeka for JCN & ET or BH anyday.
Not sure if the Bobcats would tho.

& what position does Usanis play - PF?

Posted by: Anonymous | July 18, 2007 9:31 AM | Report abuse

I wondered about Charlotte too re: Okafor. They just paid Wallace and acquired Richardson and his contract. Thats a lot of spending for the most frugal team in the NBA.

But they can't really afford not to pay Okafor. Sean May has barely played for them. Other than that they have Primo Brezec inside.

Posted by: Monte | July 18, 2007 9:35 AM | Report abuse

There's no reason why the Bobcats would trade their young starting center (who's good for a double-double almost every night) for an older backup C and an undersized, unproven backup soring guard.

Posted by: kalorama | July 18, 2007 9:46 AM | Report abuse

Navarro is coming over. The Wizards are not going to play chicken with him to make him sit for a season and not play. They are going to deal him because they can't pay him while other teams are lining up to give him over 3 million per season.

Posted by: JJ | July 18, 2007 9:49 AM | Report abuse

GA has made the whole team better...

Posted by: greg | July 18, 2007 10:07 AM | Report abuse

Charles Barkley never made anyone better. This whole 'making teammates better' thing people keep repeating is crap. How do you determine whether you make your teammates better? Would Steve Nash on the Grizzlies last year have made Stromile Swift decent? How about switching AI with Nash? If 'making your teammates better' means you command a dbl team, leaving a guy wide open, then every all star in the league makes his team better. If making assists is what 'makes a teammate better', then leave all big men off the list and only consider only point guards for MVP. The MVP should be for guys that win games, period. If you consistently come up with big plays in the clutch and your team would suck without you, then you're MVP. AI is an example of that when the sixers went to the Finals. Without him, they would have won 30 games. On another topic. NO WAY is Abe paying the luxury tax. We can forget it. Teams get a check for staying UNDER the tax. Not only would he lose that, he'd pay the tax. Double penalty. NO WAY that happens. We know Abe. We may as well not even consider that scenario

Posted by: mark | July 18, 2007 10:23 AM | Report abuse

"How do you determine whether you make your teammates better? "

When they play better (more efficiently and productively) with you than without you, when they have careers years playing with you they they never had before playing with you and never repeat after they stop playing with you. When they get easy shots with you that they don't get when you're on the bench.

Posted by: kalorama | July 18, 2007 10:29 AM | Report abuse

Not sure if everyone saw this, it's from a Memphis newspaper: "Meanwhile, Navarro told a European publication that 'the Memphis thing is complicated. Pau (Gasol) wants me there no matter what, but there are other teams ahead.'"

Those two are doing EGs work for him. Let's hope there pressure through the media gets a deal done soon so that we can sign Blatche without going over the luxury tax. If I was the Mavs and I really wanted Blatche, I wouldn't offer the whole MLE but the exact dollar amount (ex. 3,306,101) that would put the Wiz $1 over the tax limit since the Wiz still only have 10 players under contract (til DMC signs).

Posted by: Anonymous | July 18, 2007 10:31 AM | Report abuse

Based on my criteria, Gil IS an MVP candidate. dallas without Dirk, and SA without Duncan would suck so they are also MVP candidates. Even Chris Bosh qualifies, I guess. BTW, your team has to be winning for you to be considered, in my book.

Posted by: mark | July 18, 2007 10:50 AM | Report abuse

If thats all they are prepared to offer Blatche then his agent should take the last Wizards offer.

Posted by: Monte | July 18, 2007 10:52 AM | Report abuse

Stringer is right- The Wiz would not have made the finals last season no matter what. Chalk it up to Cavs haterade-

As for Navarro, I saw JCN play in the 2006 World Championships and the 2004 Olympics- he is the real deal. IMO He is already a better decision-maker with the ball than anyone we have other than AD.

JCN may not be an all-star but he is more than just solid and he was the starting PG on the Gold Medal winning 2006 World Champion team (the US finished third). People around here may be wondering what's so great about him but I just hope EG isn't selling him short. If he goes to the Heat, Cavs or the Grizz look for him to be the starter and for that team to solidify.

Posted by: AlexJ | July 18, 2007 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Kalorama, I agree with you again. There are all-stars and then there are players that demand and get better play from their players. So, I am just adding that there is a leadership/respect aspect to "making your team better." Everyone on Jordan's teams played to their peak level or they were gone. I think BH in particular is below par and could be better. I also think if Arenas player D then the whole team would have to walk the walk and stop talking about it. Arenas is a great player, but he is not in the Magic, Bird, Jordan, Thomas, Duncan, Nash level yet and may never be.

Posted by: Rob P | July 18, 2007 11:24 AM | Report abuse

I just have to caution whenever people spew love towards Antawn and I really like the guy on the court and off. But, he is probably the worst defensive forward in the NBA. Yeah, he played great in the playoffs, but I watched him on D and he was even more of a sieve than he usually is. I think his mentality was I have to score and save energy on D much like Arenas does daily. That kind of mentality gets you eliminated in the 1st or 2nd round of the playoffs every year.

Posted by: Rob P | July 18, 2007 11:32 AM | Report abuse

Thats the million $ question with AJ. what do yo do with a guy who scores in the 20's, can go off into the 40's but regularly gives up as much as he gets?


Posted by: Stringer | July 18, 2007 11:50 AM | Report abuse

JJ, again you are wrong. The Wizards can do whatever they want with him. He's not going to come over and play just because some other team really wants him and you say so.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 18, 2007 12:02 PM | Report abuse

anonymous, you are confusing what they can do with what they will do as part of standard NBA business practices. I never said they can't do this or that. Can they force him back to Europe or elsewhere? Sure. Would they do that? Of course not. Its a dumb thing to do.

JCN wants to come to the NBA this year and he got out of his contract. The Wizards can't afford him. Others teams want him. His value is never going to be higher because they risk him going back and never getting out of his contract again. So they are going to trade his rights and get something for him.

Its no different from San Antonio trading Luis Scola because he wanted more time and money than they could offer.

Posted by: JJ | July 18, 2007 12:26 PM | Report abuse

You bring him off the bench if your a championship caliber team. That's where Dallas had him pegged before we got him.

He would have to come at a very nice discount to keep him around, IMO. I will say that since his game has never revolved around elite athleticism (awkward shot king!) he may be one of those players who can still produce until their 35/36. Plus, he is great in the locker room.

This is the same reason I you have to question giving Arenas max money next year. A combo guard who is not a great passer, is almost as pathetic on D as Jamison, can obviously light it up with the best, but that is his only contribution. Does this tie the franchise to a player who is not going to win any championships? I'm just saying you have to think about it before you spend 130+ million on one guy for 6/7 yrs.

Posted by: Rob P | July 18, 2007 12:33 PM | Report abuse

The old Wiz under Unseld would be making poor patch moves, keeping the team toward the bottom.

However, the new Wiz under EG can sustain fan interest and keep the Wiz at the middle of the pack.

Signing DS was a good middle of the pack move. So is signing Antawn to a long term deal. Antawn will be productive in the first couple years, until Pech or Blatche can take over and keep them in the middle of the pack.

Similarly, signing Gil long-term at the max or close to it is middle of the pack. He is not a franchise maker, but he can lead a team to 40 or 45 wins, even with a so-so supporting cast.

To get higher than midpack, EG needs support from management. Signing JCN is a no brainer, but it can't be done unless you buy out the Poet to create cap room, or be willing to pay the lux tax for one year only. Maybe Blatche will give EG another challenge along these lines, if someone offers him full mid-level.

Without support--at least for this one year until some other moves can be made at the end of next season, the Wiz will just be interesting but not super.

Posted by: Ed | July 18, 2007 12:48 PM | Report abuse

Ed, Abe has done a great deal for the city including initially building the MCI Center with his own dollars. So, I find it hard to crucify him although I know what you are saying. But, also I don't think there are many teams who pay the luxury tax. Who else does besides NY?

Posted by: Rob P | July 18, 2007 12:55 PM | Report abuse

It's a little shortsighted to castigate Pollin for not being willing to pay the luxury tax in pursuit of a title, when the Spurs, Pistons, and Heat managed to win one without paying it.

Posted by: kalorama | July 18, 2007 1:02 PM | Report abuse

New York, Minnesota, Denver, Dallas, and San Antonio all paid the luxury tax this past year.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 18, 2007 1:05 PM | Report abuse

Arenas was 9th in the NBA in steals at nearly 2 per game. That alone puts him well past Jamison. I'll say it again, assemble a team that can play without him for more than 6 minutes every night and you'll see a different defensive player.

As long as he has to carry the team offensively to win he's gonna take his breaks on defense as a necessary evil.

Rob I think even you will admit that you have to break him down into those stereotypes (point guard who doens't pass) and overgeneralize his impact to make the case against him being a franchise player.

He's scoring 28 with 4 boards and 6 assists versus 3 turnovers per game and selling tickets in buckets. And one other point that shouldn't be undersold: he wants it. Most players want franchise money without the pressure or responsibility. Arenas wants both.

Posted by: Johnny Boy | July 18, 2007 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Johnny Boy, you make some good points. Arenas is a pressure player, but you can't make excuses for his lack of D bc there are none. Did Jordan play D? I think so.

Plus, he has great offensive support. Better than most other stars in the league and if they/he played better defense they would not have to score so much either, would they?

Not sure I understand your "stereotype" comments in the third paragraph?

Posted by: Rob P | July 18, 2007 1:20 PM | Report abuse

I'm a big Pollin fan based upon what he has done for the city, but I think Ed's point wasn't that he isn't a good owner, just that he needs to be willing to occasionally take a risk like paying a luxury tax to change the Wizards from a good team to a championship contender.

Posted by: Sam | July 18, 2007 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Given that there appears to be no real correlation between teams paying the tax and winning a title, there's really not much support for the argument that Pollin is somehow undercutting the team's chances by not paying the tax.

Posted by: kalorama | July 18, 2007 1:37 PM | Report abuse

I can and I did. gGet his minutes down/improve our bench to the point where he doesn't have to save himself for the stretch run offensively and he can put more into his defense. Play him 40 minutes for 80 games and he's gonna have lapses of effort to save his legs.

You said "A combo guard who is not a great passer, is almost as pathetic on D as Jamison, can obviously light it up with the best, but that is his only contribution"

Why does he have to be a great passer? A 2 to 1 A/TO ratio for a scorer like Gilbert is quality. his defense is not paethtic, its uneven and sometimes lazy. 4 rebounds per game and 6 assists and 2 steals clearly shows that "lighting it up" is NOT his only contribution. So why say so? Because your argument doesn't stick without going overboard.

Then you throw in a Jordan comment... yeah he's not gonna stack up against the best ever. But the question was about franchise player, not best player ever.

Posted by: Johnny Boy | July 18, 2007 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Stringer, What do you do with AJ? You deal him because his contract represents $18 mill. in cap space next summer and you get a near-elite player who is overpaid but could put this team over the top (Pau, AK-47, Camby, K-Mart whoever).

Posted by: George Templeton | July 18, 2007 1:57 PM | Report abuse

To Sam,

Yes, thanks for your comment. Abe is probably my favorite sports leader of all time for DC.

It's just that when you have an opportunity to sign JCN and Blatche even if it means a one-year break form the no lux tax rule, then sometimes you have to step forward for the future good of the team.

Then cut back next year, when Antawn's huge contract is up. You can maybe deal him before contract expiration for a younger player.

Posted by: Ed | July 18, 2007 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Johnny Boy, now YOUR going overboard. At 40 mpg, 4 rbds, 6 asts, 2 steals is very underwhelming.

My point is very simple. As a player, Arenas is a one-trick pony albeit a very good one. Well, off he court I guess he sells tickets too. Is that worth 130+ million?

And Arenas IS pathetic on D! He does not even care and said as much to the media. I say his D is worse bc at least Jamison is undersized, slow-footed, and lacks hops for his position. Arenas has the physical tools to do it, but just doesn't at least not anymore.

Posted by: Rob P | July 18, 2007 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Kalorama,

The issue isn't whether there is a direct correlation btwn luxury tax and championships, it's about whether an owner is willing to step outside his comfort zone for a chance to take a team to the next level. I agree with Ed that adjustments can be made in the future so that this would only be a one-year thing, but JCN seems like a gamble worth taking.

Posted by: Sam | July 18, 2007 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Kirilenko and Camby are solid players, but neither one of them is even close to near-elite. I'd take Jamison over either one of them. It's worth noting that most of Kirlenko's rep as a defensive wunderkind was built on a Jazz team that was lottery caliber. As soon as they reached legit playoff quality, his play took a nose dive Although he picked it up at spots in the playoffs, he was MIA for most of the season, while the team overall was rolling.

Posted by: kalorama | July 18, 2007 2:24 PM | Report abuse

I caught Ernie's interview on Sportstalk 980 at noon today. Man, that guy is the best at saying nothing.

He was asked all the usual questions - What's up with JCN (we hold his rights), Blatche (we're looking at signing him), Etan (he's been discussed in trade talks), BTH (he's been discussed in trade talks), Songalia (he wants to play this summer for his country) and the resigning of DeShawn (we're glad to have him back). He was so vague, it was frustrating. The only thing I took from the interview was that Ernie's happy that all five starters will be returning this upcoming season. This tells me that Etan/BTH aren't going anywhere.

If we can stay away from the injury bug, sustain the effort we put into the first half of last season, and get some extra punch from Young, McNasty, and Pesh, I think we'll be very happy with our season.

Posted by: Juan DC | July 18, 2007 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Sam, the correlation between paying the tax and winning is an issue when people are criticizing Pollin, calling him a bad owner, and saying he's hurting the team's chances by not paying it.

I'm all for risk taking. Every team that's built a contender has had to make some kind of risky move on the road to get there. The question is whether going over the tax threshold to sign Navarro is a risk worth taking, i.e., the kind of risk that will take this team to the next level. All indicators point to the Wiz management thinking it's not, and I'm hard pressed to see any reason to disagree. It's be different if Pollin's (supposed) unwillingness to pay the tax was costing the team a shot at Garnett or Kobe, but that's not the case.

Posted by: kaloram | July 18, 2007 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Understood, Kalorama. Whether or not one feels JCN and Blatche are worth the risk of paying the tax will either support or undercut Ed's argument. I agree with Ed, that both are woth the risk. I took issue with the fact that a few of you guys saw Ed's statement as an attack on Pollin, which it was not. Ed wasn't "crucifying" or "castigating," he was just presenting solid reasoning for Pollin paying the luxury tax for one year if it means signing two solid players who could possibly take the team to the next level.

Posted by: Sam | July 18, 2007 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Look around the league. Few guards give you a chance every night like he does. Few players want the responsibility he covets, even fewer can actually handle it and succeed.

Can't get wrapped up in his defense and let that cloud the rest of what he brings.

Kirilenko is at his best playing the 4. Once Boozer was consistently healthy he and Okur played the 4 and 5. Kirilenko as a small forward doesn't work. His moments in the playoffs were when they went small to counter Golden State. I loved watching him go one on one with Baron Davis, and getting the stop.

He'd play the 4 here, so an argument can be made he'd be more valuable, but not $15 mil more valuable.

Posted by: Johnny Boy | July 18, 2007 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Its important to note that If/ When we trade Etan or BH we will still have all five starters from last year returning to team. That is significant. Its not often that you can trade a 'starter' and keep your starting five

Posted by: Dante | July 18, 2007 3:34 PM | Report abuse

If I am right that Blatche is an over-rated stiff and that Young is an undisciplined sir lancelot who is years away from NBA productivity, then why not let them both go and sign JCN?

At least he knows how to play the game.

Posted by: Mitch | July 18, 2007 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Juan DC, while it may be frustrating to us that Grunfield does not say anything, it is probably beneficial that he is not showing his hand.

Posted by: Lisa | July 18, 2007 3:40 PM | Report abuse

I think that with Navarro the luxury tax is one issue but the other that is discussed very little is playing time. If Grunfeld would be able to move Daniels in a deal some playing time could open up for Navarro. Otherwise since we have our top three gaurds back from last year along with bringing in Young minutes are going to be tight.
Daniels or Navarro would neither be happy campers as the 4th or 5th gaurd. I'm not sure that Grunfeld is convinced as some of our posters that Navarro at point and Gilbert at the 2 or vise versa is a backcourt that could score more than they give up.
Another reason Ernie is playing everything close to the vest is the loser in the Stevie Francis derby is really going to be hurting for a point gaurd. He'll be sitting with Daniels and Navarro looking to see what will improve the team the most.
If the Clippers loose out for Francis they could be a trade partner for us. Kaman's extension kicks in this year and they're apparently not real happy paying him nearly 10m per year. Haywood and Daniels would nearly fit there salarywise, we'd have to turn it into a bigger deal to move Etan instead of Haywood.
If Miami doesn't get Francis and our price is too high for Navarro a Daniels for Posey deal might work for both clubs. Posey would give us another good defender with some three point range that can be plugged in at different positions. Only thing I'd be afraid of would be Eddie would use him at center in the 4th!
Ernie is being the master poker player right now holding his cards and watching for the opening to make his move. At this point I think he's got different options as to how he'll play this depending on how things break. He's in no hurry right now, there's still plenty of time to make a move.

Posted by: GM | July 18, 2007 3:53 PM | Report abuse

AJ is going to be valuable closer to the trade deadline when teams will only be on the hook for a portion of his salary. Its definitely a rare opportunity to make a big splash with a matching contract. Have to wait and see who's available.

Posted by: Stringer | July 18, 2007 4:02 PM | Report abuse

When you have a 40 win team you should be leaving no stone unturned to get better. Is anyone going to tell me that Roger Mason Jr. is better than JCN? That is the point people are making. Sometimes it's not going to be about 1 star turning a teams around but rather an aggregation of players who epitomize the team concept. The Pistons come to mind. A lot of good not great pieces. A lot of people see this current incarnation of the Le Boulez as not being a championship team as currently constructed. The team has an obvious flaw. THEY CANT PLAY DEFENSE TO SAVE THEIR LIVES! Anyone who watches them live and in person at VC can attest to how this team melts at crunch time b/c of no defense. You see if possesion after possession when they can't come up with a stop or a defensive rebound. That being said that means that they need some more pieces to make the sum greater than the parts. That makes us looks to AB, Pesh, MACMAN and maybe even JCN. Get all the pieces you can. Don't give away chess pieces unless you get something good in return not another 2nd rounder.

Posted by: DMAN | July 18, 2007 4:11 PM | Report abuse

GM, agree that the PG market is dwindling. Moving AD doesn't make room for JCN though. We'd still only have 1.6 to 1.8 mil for him.

Posted by: Monte | July 18, 2007 4:21 PM | Report abuse

I would deal Etan and Navarro to Memphis for Swift and a 2nd round draft pick.

Posted by: Darnell | July 18, 2007 4:24 PM | Report abuse

DMAN- I take your point about needing parts and making upgrades when possible, but if defense is the primary concern, I don't see how little Navarro is your answer.

Posted by: girl | July 18, 2007 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Johnny Boy,

Perhaps you should not let the fact that he is a great individual scorer cloud your perception of his deficiencies. Hey, I'm a fan and playing devil's advocate to a certain extent, but there is plenty missing when you are considering paying him a max contract after next year. Hell, if Rashard Lewis averaged 6 more pts/gm, what would be the difference between him and Arenas. Obviously, everyone agrees RL's max contract is an absolute joke.
Consider this too. Arenas is probably third in line for team leader behind Jamison and Butler. Those guys are the spirit and guts of the team. Arenas is just the outside assassin. Again, just food for thought.

Posted by: Rob P | July 18, 2007 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Darnell, thats probably Memphis' initial/low offer. Ernie needs to do better than that though. Even if its a 1 thats protected in various ways for a few years.

Posted by: Monte | July 18, 2007 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Not knowing the difference between Arenas and Lewis kinda hurts your argument Rob.

Posted by: Johnny Boy | July 18, 2007 5:06 PM | Report abuse

Mitch, I don't see how you can proclaim Navarro, who's never played a nanosecond of NBA bball as knowing how to play while dismissing Blatche, who has played NBA ball against high level competition and had success as a "stiff."

Posted by: kalorama | July 18, 2007 6:08 PM | Report abuse

New York heads the group with ease, owing $45,142,002 -nearly $38 million more than its nearest competitor.

The rest of the squads will pay as follows: Mavericks, $7,204,968; Nuggets, $2,022,418; Timberwolves, $998,536; Spurs, $196,082.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19752872/
While we definitely don't want to get carried away, we should be willing to exceed the luxury to keep Blatche/Navarro/both since this next season will decide how the Wizards will fare for the rest of the decade. If we finish 43-39 and lose in the first round, then Gil is gone and so are our championship dreams.

Posted by: Emmet | July 18, 2007 6:36 PM | Report abuse

JCN, JCN, JCN...there is no assurance he will be able to score consistently in this league--and that is what your team needs off the bench in 2007/2008. Instant fire power, either long range or on the block. Heck, even GA was quoted earlier in the off season, in reference to what long-gone Juan Dixon brought to the team two years ago. As far as I can tell, EG has not added proven commodities of either yet. That is why EG needs to trade and not keep JCN and or ET and or AD. You are not going to be able to turn this team into a D-fence Force. You need to accentuate the positive. Go get me some proven firepower, baby.

Posted by: oddjob | July 18, 2007 7:27 PM | Report abuse

Now thats more like it!

Posted by: Hugh Gerection | July 18, 2007 7:44 PM | Report abuse

With all of your enthusiam Hugh Gerection - you are really getting me excited............I guess about the Wizards upcoming season.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 18, 2007 7:54 PM | Report abuse

Kalorama, most of the European guys, while they may not be major talents, do understand the game. I really don't think you can say that about Blatche. Blatche is slow, has no hops, features a weak-looking shot, has zippo ball-handling skills, and his basketball IQ is maybe a notch above Kwame's. And I'm not crazy about his attitude either.

Other than that I'm a big fan of AB.

Posted by: Mitch | July 18, 2007 7:56 PM | Report abuse

Understanding how the game is played in international competition isn't the same as understanding how it's played in the NBA (a fact that Team USA's recent struggles have driven home). Sarunas Jasekevicus was a big-time stud in Europe. He's a benchwarming towel waver in the NBA. The hit and miss nature of the translation from international play to the NBA makes it almost impossible to make any kind of definitive prediction.

As for Blatche ... no hops? Seriously? Have you actually seen him play? And what are you basing the "attitude" thing on? Because if he's been fighting with teammates, throwing his coach under the bus in the media, or getting arrested at strip clubs, I must have missed it. The only thing he's done that's been even remotely controversial or any kind of potential team issue was not playing on the summer league team, which is no deal at all, because NBA FAs who don't have contracts yet almost always skip summer league to avoid getting hurt.

Posted by: kalorama | July 18, 2007 8:40 PM | Report abuse

Understanding how the game is played in international competition isn't the same as understanding how it's played in the NBA (a fact that Team USA's recent struggles have driven home). Sarunas Jasekevicus was a big-time stud in Europe. He's a benchwarming towel waver in the NBA. The hit and miss nature of the translation from international play to the NBA makes it almost impossible to make any kind of definitive prediction.

As for Blatche ... no hops? Seriously? Have you actually seen him play? And what are you basing the "attitude" thing on? Because if he's been fighting with teammates, throwing his coach under the bus in the media, or getting arrested at strip clubs, I must have missed it. The only thing he's done that's been even remotely controversial or any kind of potential team issue was not playing on the summer league team, which is no deal at all, because NBA FAs who don't have contracts yet almost always skip summer league to avoid getting hurt.

Posted by: kalorama | July 18, 2007 8:40 PM | Report abuse

And Blatche's quickness and ball handle are pretty damn good, for a guy who's 6' 11'.

Posted by: kalorama | July 18, 2007 8:51 PM | Report abuse

he canwe trade JCN and Haywood for Emeka after all Charlottes GM (Jordan) loves UNC guys (Haywood) and after all who drafted JCN?? once again Jordan...i think he maybe still interested in this guy and in Haywood b/c he is a UNC guy...maybe add or draft picks do that and trust me guys we are going to the Finals

Posted by: Fulvio | July 18, 2007 9:42 PM | Report abuse

hey can we trade JCN and Haywood for Emeka after all Charlottes GM (Jordan) loves UNC guys (Haywood) and after all who drafted JCN?? once again Jordan...i think he maybe still interested in this guy and in Haywood b/c he is a UNC guy...maybe add or draft picks do that and trust me guys we are going to the Finals

Posted by: Fulvio | July 18, 2007 9:42 PM | Report abuse

hey can we trade JCN and Haywood for Emeka after all Charlottes GM (Jordan) loves UNC guys (Haywood) and after all who drafted JCN?? once again Jordan...i think he maybe still interested in this guy and in Haywood b/c he is a UNC guy...maybe add or draft picks do that and trust me guys we are going to the Finals

Posted by: Fulvio | July 18, 2007 9:42 PM | Report abuse

Kidding around on the bench with the resident pariah, BH, during the game. To me he just doesn't seem totally focused on the game.

Obviously I've seen AB play a lot, aren't we all fanatics here? I've seen almost every minute he's ever played. I guess we just perceive his abilities differently.

As for international play, I don't think it's basically different from U.S. basketball. It simply features team organization and fundamentals, things which are neglected in U.S. ball. The internationals have gotten good enough that their team approach at times can beat our guys despite the talent differential.

JCN is a star of the Spanish league, whereas Sarunas played in the Israeli league, which is nowhere near the level of Spain. And Sarunas was kind of mediocre here at Maryland, so I don't see why one would have expected him to be a star in the NBA. Obviously a lot of people in basketball consider JCN to be on a different level. Hey, our FO thought enough of him to use a precious draft choice on him despite his unavailability.

Posted by: Mitch | July 18, 2007 9:49 PM | Report abuse

The last post was in response to Kalorama's comments.

Posted by: Mitch | July 18, 2007 9:51 PM | Report abuse

Second round draft picks are far from precious. In fact, teams frequently use them on players they know will never play a single game for them. Second round picks are like gambling with someone else's money.

Posted by: kalorama | July 18, 2007 9:53 PM | Report abuse

you can say that again!

Posted by: Hugh Gerection | July 18, 2007 10:06 PM | Report abuse

Spend Spend Spend.

You all need to check out the redskin blog if you are looking for that.

Hmmmmmmmm how well did that turn out for them?

Posted by: pg posse | July 18, 2007 11:07 PM | Report abuse

Yeah Rob from an outsider looking at your argument comparing the Arenas to Lewis is way off. This was the best Lewis could do during a contract year 22 points, 6 rebounds, 2 assists. And thats from a guy thats 6'11". How many All-Star teams has Lewis made? Ok, you can say that game is a joke and you can't use that to say one player is better than another (Vince Carter and Steve Francis making several teams are an example of that). So I've got a better one: how many all NBA teams has Lewis made?

Posted by: Anonymous | July 18, 2007 11:17 PM | Report abuse

Figure Navarro has to have some value when you consider that he is considered to be better than Belinelli, and Belinelli just tore up the summer league.

Posted by: Darnell | July 19, 2007 5:05 AM | Report abuse

"Figure Navarro has to have some value when you consider that he is considered to be better than Belinelli, and Belinelli just tore up the summer league."

Posted by: Darnell | July 19, 2007 05:05 AM

I AGREE 100%

ive been saying this for a long time we should trade JCN for a Top 10 Protected Team (trust me when Pau see's we are close to dealing JCN he will demand the front office to do anything to get JCN...and i believe the front office will) if we have this we are in the running for Centers Brook Lopez, Marreese Speights, and DeAndre Jordan and even Roy Hibbert....hope EG can pull off some magic...remember i might be dreaming BUT there are some dumb and when i say dumb i mean dumb GM's in this league....if we can get that then Pay the Luxary Tax about 1-2mil only one year..come on Abe we could have a Championship Squad

Posted by: Fulvio | July 19, 2007 8:48 AM | Report abuse

Speaking of dumb GM's, isn't Memphis' new GM the same guy who traded for alcoholic Vin Baker?

Posted by: Anonymous | July 19, 2007 9:12 AM | Report abuse

Ivan, we need a new post.

Posted by: Sam | July 19, 2007 9:12 AM | Report abuse

JCN has done enough in his career both professionally and in international competitions for me to be confident in how his game will translate into the NBA.

i see nothing in the NBA rules which will keep him from being successful. He's an excellent passer and shooter. His instincts are way above average. We're not talking about a kid and potential. this guy has done it at every level and excelled.

Even the idea that Sarunas can't play in the NBA is based on PT with Golden State, which only took him for salary filler. He was adjusting well in Indy. His minutes were going up each month and then... traded to make salaries match.

Posted by: Stringer | July 19, 2007 9:55 AM | Report abuse

Today's a big day for the Wizards. This morning's Miami Herald reports that "[Steve] Francis' agent, Jeff Fried, said Wednesday night that his client has narrowed his list of suitors to two, one of which is the Heat. Francis, who also was considering the Rockets, Mavericks and Clippers, could make a decision early as today." The Herald article also claims that "The Wizards reportedly had been holding out for a team that also would take on one of the bloated contracts belonging to center Brendan Haywood (three years/$16.5 million), guard Antonio Daniels (three/$18.6 million) or forward Etan Thomas (three/$20.6 million)." So its no longer simply a Thomas/Navarro deal it could include any one of these three guys.
To execute such a deal, the Heat would have to send a player or players due similar salaries for at least next season, such as Williams, Antoine Walker or Udonis Haslem. "It's unclear if the Wizards are interested in either Williams or Walker, and the Heat has been reluctant to offer Haslem in the deal."
"Juan Carlos just wants a deal in the NBA to be resolved," Saratsis [Francis's agent] said. "*****Within the next two weeks*****, it's got to all come to a head. We hope so."


Posted by: Emmet | July 19, 2007 10:08 AM | Report abuse

yup its that same dumb GM (Memphis)


And IVAN WE NEED A NEW POST ASAP

Posted by: Fulvio | July 19, 2007 10:19 AM | Report abuse

yup its that same dumb GM (Memphis)


And IVAN WE NEED A NEW POST ASAP

COME ON IVAN GIVS US UPDATES

Posted by: Fulvio | July 19, 2007 10:19 AM | Report abuse

IVAN, WE DO NEED A NEW POST. KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK.

Posted by: Emmet | July 19, 2007 10:23 AM | Report abuse

"We wanted to keep this group together," Grunfeld said. "We felt like last year, especially toward the middle of the year when we had the best record in the (Eastern Conference), we were really rolling before injuries set in. He was a big part of that"
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/basketball/2007-07-16-3232464371_x.htm
I think this as important a statement as any that has made by Grunsfeld recently.

Posted by: Emmet | July 19, 2007 10:27 AM | Report abuse

Ivan I need to know what is going on with this Miami Navarro trade? Are you hearing anything on where Franchise is going to end up? Has Memphis tried to offer a trade? and Whats the word on Blatche, does Outlaw signing with Portland (3yrs 12 mil) help set the market? I mean Outlaw is 22, played a lot more, and average nearly 10 ppg, and is 6-10. Blatche cant ask for more than that can he?

Posted by: Ben | July 19, 2007 10:28 AM | Report abuse

Miami is trying to play Ernie with the whole "If we get Francis we won't be interested in Navarro" angle. They need Francis because J Will faltered down the stretch. They need Navarro's shooting to replace what Kapono gave them.

Walker has 2 years and 17 mil left on his deal. We're not taking him. Williams is in a walk year but makes close to 9 mil. No thanks. Suck it up Riles and give us Haslem. Heck I'd rather take Doleac and Eddie Jones or Posey in a S+T than Walker/JWill.

Posted by: Johnny Boy | July 19, 2007 10:32 AM | Report abuse

shoot...i say if we trade JCN its not to the Miami heat all we would be doing is helping them out by giving them a shooter..we cant help out our rivals...come on....Luxary Tax for 1 years doesnt just and i hope we sign Blatch soon...i cant wait to see Jordan give him time at the five...i wonder if he can develope into a Amare or Dwight Howard...

and as Ben said, "Ivan I need to know what is going on with this Miami Navarro trade? Are you hearing anything on where Franchise is going to end up? Has Memphis tried to offer a trade? and Whats the word on Blatche, does Outlaw signing with Portland (3yrs 12 mil) help set the market? I mean Outlaw is 22, played a lot more, and average nearly 10 ppg, and is 6-10. Blatche cant ask for more than that can he?"

Posted by: Ben | July 19, 2007 10:28 AM

Posted by: Fulvio | July 19, 2007 10:41 AM | Report abuse

"Navarro could stay in Europe and sign a lucrative longterm contract" via his agent. So we have Miami playing the game that they might not need JCN. And now we have JCN's agent playing the game that he'd go back to Europe if necessary.

I like it. They want to get this done. They're trying to push Ernie. Its the definition of "ploy". I hope Francis picks Houston so we can make them take Daniels too.

Posted by: Johnny Boy | July 19, 2007 10:41 AM | Report abuse

no way Johnny Boy

i would hate it to trade JCN to our DIVISION RIVALS we dont need any body on there squad and as of last year we could ave easily made it to the Eastern Confrence Finals....CLeveland Barely Beat Us with 2 players injured if we trade its for a Top 10 protected pick so we can be in the runnning for Brook Lopez or Roy Hibbert...hey this may sound like a dream but there are dumb GM's around this league (Memphis) or if not a pcik it is for a good up and coming center (LaMarcus Aldridge, Emeka Okafor....etc.) this is the final piece we need...we already improved our bench and defense (D-Mac) all we need is a center..they say JCN is better than Bellineli and Bellinelli played great in the Summer League can you imagine what JCN could do...on draftexpress.com it said if JCN were coming out tothe draft now he would be a Top 5 pick...we need to get value out of this guy he is a good player...if not pay the Luxary Tax only for one year and see how JCN plays if he is regarded as that monster he should easily be able to beat out DeShawn Stevenson for the starting SG spot

Posted by: Fulvio | July 19, 2007 10:55 AM | Report abuse

just give JCN a shot and if he is truely a good offense player and can light it up like Gilbert and they say he passes very well to...we could have a good piece here if Gilbert decides to walk we can just play JCN at the PG he is good offensivley and not so good defensively JUST LIKE GILBERT...he would be much cheaper..we could even trade gil for a monster center...but hey its just a thought i love Gil..but there is a chance he may walk and i dont want to risk not gatting anything out of him other than cap space

Posted by: Fulvio | July 19, 2007 11:03 AM | Report abuse

I'd rather trade him to Memphis too, but this was talking specifically about Miami.

Save the "we could have" business. Teams that don't play defense don't get past the second round.

Posted by: Johnny Boy | July 19, 2007 11:05 AM | Report abuse

fulvio, where are you getting the money to pay Navarro? He's not playing for 1.8 or 1.6 mil per year when his buyout is 1 million Euros per year over the next 3 years.

Posted by: Stringer | July 19, 2007 11:10 AM | Report abuse

What's Happening Ivan. Looks like we need a new post (bad). This Navarro thing is getting real old just like the 25 posts of Stevenson and his contract saga.

How about doing a story or a post on Ted Leonis and Abe Pollen and the behind the scenes look at what is really going on with Abe finally giving the team to Ted.

I am assuming you are out of ideas because the draft, summer league and major FA signings have now passed and there is now a major "low" in any good NBA news, much less any Wizards news because it seems like three years or more since we have had any kind of trade (EG or you reading this???).

Another good post suggestion is what is the real deal with what is going on with Haywood and EJ. You can right the story and not worry about anyone of them getting to mad because you do not have to see them until October anyway. So what do you think??????/

Posted by: mikie | July 19, 2007 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Johnny Boy, the only reason JCN and Francis are mentioned in that article above was that they both have the same agent in Saratsis. NOT BECAUSE MIAMI was in the running for Francis, he doesn't want to go there according to his remaining top 3 teams.

Posted by: Wizzin' By Ya | July 19, 2007 11:13 AM | Report abuse

To the people who keep saying that Navarro is unproven in the NBA and some are overestimating his potential impact, that is kind of like saying Ronaldo in unproven in Major League Soccer and thus is a gamble. I'm exaggerating a bit, but if a guy can play like JCN has shown he can in a variety of environments, he can play.

The best option for JCN I see is for Ernie to tell him he can sign for the remainder of the MLE or we'll bring him over next summer. JCN could then say, fine, I'll sign a long term contract in Europe, but then he's shooting himself in the foot by closing off his NBA options. Ernie holds all the cards.

Posted by: Sean | July 19, 2007 11:14 AM | Report abuse

What's Happening Ivan. Looks like we need a new post (bad). This Navarro thing is getting real old just like the 25 posts of Stevenson and his contract saga.

How about doing a story or a post on Ted Leonis and Abe Pollen and the behind the scenes look at what is really going on with Abe finally giving the team to Ted?

I am assuming you are out of ideas because the draft, summer league and major FA signings have now passed and there is now a major "low" in any good NBA news, much less any Wizards news because it seems like three years or more since we have had any kind of trade (EG are you reading this???).

Another good post suggestion is what is the real deal with what is going on with Haywood and EJ? You can write the story and not worry about anyone of them getting to mad at you because you do not have to see them until October anyway. So what do you think??????

Posted by: mikie | July 19, 2007 11:15 AM | Report abuse

Francis agent is Jeff Fried, not Saratsis

Posted by: Anonymous | July 19, 2007 11:19 AM | Report abuse

"I am assuming you are out of ideas because the draft, summer league and major FA signings have now passed and there is now a major "low" in any good NBA news, much less any Wizards news because it seems like three years or more since we have had any kind of trade (EG or you reading this???)."

Posted by: mikie | July 19, 2007 11:11 AM

mikie that's "lull" and you don't just make a trade just so you can make it when your team is that close to playing with the "Big Boys".

Posted by: Anonymous | July 19, 2007 11:19 AM | Report abuse

"Juan Carlos just wants a deal in the NBA to be resolved," Saratsis [Francis's agent] said. "*****Within the next two weeks*****, it's got to all come to a head. We hope so."

Posted by: Emmet | July 19, 2007 10:08 AM

Unless Emmet missed copying and pasting, doesn't that say Francis' agent is Saratsis, who is JCN's agent.

Posted by: Wizzin' By Ya | July 19, 2007 11:22 AM | Report abuse

Wizzin, check again: http://www.miamiherald.com/592/story/175174.html

Fried is Francis' agent, Saratsis is Navarro's agent. The article states that the Heat are one of the two teams remaining in the running for Francis. The other is assumed to be Houston but may be the Clips.

"But the Heat's interest in Navarro could become moot if free agent guard Steve Francis chooses to sign with the Heat."

Posted by: Johnny Boy | July 19, 2007 11:23 AM | Report abuse

If Williams has an expiring contract, I'd much rather have that than Haslem. He's played well on the Heat, but it's hardly a stretch to imagine that he's be a lot less effective with that midrange jumper without Shaq around to draw double teams in the post.

Posted by: kalorama | July 19, 2007 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Johnny Boy,

"I hope Francis picks Houston so we can make them take Daniels too."

Posted by: Johnny Boy | July 19, 2007 10:41 AM

Just curious: how does Francis picking Houston make them want AD also? I'm not trying to be a smart@$$, I honestly just want to know your rationale on this one.

Posted by: GBH | July 19, 2007 11:35 AM | Report abuse

how about Thomas + Daniels + rights to JCN for J-Will + Haslem + 2008 1rd pick (top 7 protected)? Their salaries match

Posted by: Anonymous | July 19, 2007 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Sean,

Your Ronaldo argument is completely baseless. Ronaldo plays in one of the most competitive leagues in the world on one of the best clubs. JCN is coming from a less-competitive league to the most competitive basketball league in the world. A better comparison might be if Landon Donovan decided to go play in the Premiere League. He's a captain on an MLS team, but we all know MLS isn't quite the same level as the Euro Leagues.

Posted by: Rob | July 19, 2007 11:42 AM | Report abuse

""Figure Navarro has to have some value when you consider that he is considered to be better than Belinelli, and Belinelli just tore up the summer league.""

Summer league stats are less than meaningless. Every year there's at least one guy who puts up huge summer league numbers and either ends up nailed to the end of someone's bench or out of the league altogether.

Posted by: kalorama | July 19, 2007 11:48 AM | Report abuse

I like Haslem because Eddie is bound to play small moving Haslem to C, moreso back up Center to take advantage of his defense. He'd still get plenty of open jumpers from the elbows playing off of the main scorers.

We've been dying for a competent banger who plays defense, there he is. he's 26 as is DS. Caron is 27 and Gil 25. Throw in the recently drafted and Blatche. Thats a young solid core.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 19, 2007 12:00 PM | Report abuse

I said I was exaggerating, Rob. Your example is equally flawed. It would be better if Donovan led the U.S. to a World Cup title like Navarro led (with Gasol, until he was hurt) Spain to the World Championship title. Doesn't Navarro's starring role on the Spanish team that won the World title play any role in your analysis? Walter Hermann played a significant, though not starring, role in Argentina's success over the years, and look how he did in the latter part of his rookie year.

Posted by: Sean | July 19, 2007 12:03 PM | Report abuse

my rationale is that the Heat need PG help and are actively trying to upgrade. The PG market is dwindling. If Francis goes elsewhere they have to decide to pay Boykins, Brevin Knight or make a deal. Boykins doesn't fit their culture. Knight does, but they don't seem too impressed with him.

That leaves trades. Daniels is by no means the best option, unilaterally, via trade. I'm sure some teams would prefer Carlos Arroyo, Dooling, Ty Lue, Anthony Johnson, etc. They might prefer to try to deal Williams for Jason Terry too, good luck.

All that said, Daniels has the edge on them in terms of experience and defense. Riley would cut off his pinky before he gave the ball to Arroyo in a playoff game.

Posted by: Johnny Boy | July 19, 2007 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Sean, in that scenario JCN goes back to Europe without hesitation. He has 1 million euro in bills to pay if he comes to the US. We pay him 1.8 before taxes.

Posted by: Stringer | July 19, 2007 12:29 PM | Report abuse

We'd actually be taking on more salary by adding Jason Williams and Haslem for AD and Etan. The deal is possible and gets us out from under those longer deals though. Miami would have to add cash to make it work to offset what the team loses once over the luxury tax.

Just running with it on a slow news day... that would give the Wiz 25.2 million in expiring contracts.

Posted by: JJ | July 19, 2007 12:40 PM | Report abuse

What about just flat out dumping one of our big contracts? I mean, weak as Haywood, ET, and AD are, surely someone would take one of them for, say, a 2nd round pick or something equally worthless? Then we can sign JCN and have some fun.

Posted by: DCinCO | July 19, 2007 12:48 PM | Report abuse

1. no one is taking on 6 or 7 mil in cap hit for the fun of it. No one has the room to do that either.

2. Even if someone did, that doesn't create space for JCN. We're still over the cap and only have the remaining MLE money or the 1.8 exception to spend.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 19, 2007 12:55 PM | Report abuse

1. no one is taking on 6 or 7 mil in cap hit for the fun of it. No one has the room to do that either.

2. Even if someone did, that doesn't create space for JCN. We're still over the cap and only have the remaining MLE money or the 1.8 exception to spend.

Posted by: | July 19, 2007 12:55 PM
we also have the Early Bird and Larry Bird exceptions

Posted by: Fulvio | July 19, 2007 12:58 PM | Report abuse

You can't just give players away without taking players back. The only way that can be done is to trade a player to a team that's far enough below the cap to absorb extra salary without having to get rid of any. There aren't any teams that have than. And even if there were, no team would value our backups enough to take on their overblown contracts without getting rid of some of their own. That would be the functional equivalent of signing Thomas as a FA to the same bad deal the Wiz signed him to.

Not gonna happen.

Posted by: kalorama | July 19, 2007 12:59 PM | Report abuse

The Bird exceptions only apply to a team resigning its own FAs when they're over the cap. They have no use in signing someone else's FAs, draft picks, or making trades.

Posted by: kalorama | July 19, 2007 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Excellent point Mark, you could hasve not said it any better, been trying to figure that out for a long time. But with exception of MJ and maybe Shaq I'm not sure. LeBron could be that player if his teammates can start hitting shots.

Posted by: Easy | July 19, 2007 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Excellent point Mark, you could hasve not said it any better, been trying to figure that out for a long time. But with exception of MJ and maybe Shaq I'm not sure. LeBron could be that player if his teammates can start hitting shots.

Posted by: Easy "E" | July 19, 2007 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Don't get me wrong I really like Udonis Haslem since his Florida days, but somebody answer me this, Where would Udonis start if Antawn is at the four? Somebody give me a tenative starting lineup including U.Haslem. The lineup I see right now would be the same as last year. Gil,DS,Caron,AJ,Haywood, who out of this five would not be there to make room for Udonis.

Posted by: Easy"E" | July 19, 2007 1:29 PM | Report abuse

Ivan no new update since Tues, where are you?

Posted by: Easy"E" | July 19, 2007 1:31 PM | Report abuse

All the news is out of Miami. What does that tell you?

Posted by: Stringer | July 19, 2007 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Seattle has a trade exception so they alone of the teams out there could take one of our players for say a 2nd round draft pick.

Posted by: Dante | July 19, 2007 1:51 PM | Report abuse

hey i was wondering if any of you bloged on

washingtonwizardsblog.com

Posted by: Fulvio | July 19, 2007 1:51 PM | Report abuse

but who does Seattle need from us...we could use Chris Wilcox from them...anyone else think we can use Chris Wilcox??

Posted by: Fulvio | July 19, 2007 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Ivan, we are dying for any bit of knowledge, or even a posting that says you are on it. This is the slowest month in sports, NOTHING is going on in football, baseball is in its dog days, love golf, but really only watch sat and sun of majors, i need some wiz updates.

If the Wiz can get rid of Etan for an expiring deal, same value, I would do that in a heart beat. Even a player worse the Etan, because you have to look at next year, and next year there is a GREAT free agent class, and we will have tons of money to keep Gil, hopefully sign Twan to something between 5-7 mil, and then make some moves to really improve this team and compete for a title 2008 - 2010

IVAN NEED NEWS, I NEED MY WIZ FIX

Posted by: Ben | July 19, 2007 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Where is all this Udonis talk coming from? All reports I've read indicate that the Heat are keeping Haslem off the table in discussions. Has something changed?

Posted by: Nick | July 19, 2007 1:55 PM | Report abuse

As much as EG has been recently saying how happy everyone is that the team is essentially returning the same as least year's that was in 1st place half way through... i don't buy it. It sounds like another close vested comment by him intended to help him and the Wizards get the best deal possible in an upcoming trade.

EG is far to good of a GM to think that all the problems with EJ and Haywood and Etan and EJ's downright weird substitution patterns will mysteriously disappear and that all will be miraculously well between the three of them this year.

I think there is a good reason there is no news on the AB front. EJ is waiting to get a deal to clear some more cap space. In an ideal world he would get rid of ET for a 2nd round pick and sign Blatche and JCN. Now that will leave us with some playing time issues at the guard position with unless young is relegated to the NBDL or something.

Ernie had to have known there was a distinct possibility of JCN this year since he spent so much time scouting him last year. Thus his drafting of young anyway means that he must have something great cooking. Lets just sit back and enjoy the fact that we have a competent GM unlike other not to be named washington sports teams

Posted by: Dante | July 19, 2007 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Chris Wilcox could help us out more than Haslem

Posted by: Fulvio | July 19, 2007 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Fulvio,

My point about Seattle was that because of their trade exception we could trade etan straight up to them for a 2nd round draft pick. We wouldn't have to get any players back from them. It is purely a salary dump move. Now that being said is it going to happen... not likely...

Posted by: Dante | July 19, 2007 2:05 PM | Report abuse

ohh okay got ya...Dante,

but we could still us Chris Wilcox he is a 12ppg-9rpg guy

Posted by: Anonymous | July 19, 2007 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Nick, it probably comes from the fact that Haslam's contract is a salary match with Etan. You can deal Etan for Haslam straight up, so we could send Etan with Navarro's rights for Haslam and it would work. That would seem to be a pretty fair exchange.

Posted by: Darnell | July 19, 2007 2:09 PM | Report abuse

We need a new post! Ivan or Michael please help us out here. Even with a no new news post.
Even those always have interesting tidbits.. like the fact ernie was trying to get a second 2nd round pick to draft strawberry with.

Posted by: Dante | July 19, 2007 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Fulvio, agree Etan + Navarro's rights for Wilcox would be a sweet deal, and it also works salary wise. Don't think Seattle would go for that though.

Posted by: Darnell | July 19, 2007 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Again, talented big men that can avg double doubles can't be that easy to pry away.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 19, 2007 2:30 PM | Report abuse

yep, if we were to pry Wilcox away, we should have done that when he was with the Clippers - before he blew it up with Seattle.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 19, 2007 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Now that, is an excellent point!

Posted by: Hugh Gerection | July 19, 2007 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Great news for the Wiz, the Franchise is going to Houston, meaning the Heat still need a guard, and will be willing to trade, hopefully start a bidding war with Memphis

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/47233/20070719/francis_decides_on_a_second_run_in_houston/

LETS GO ERNIE, make another Caron for kwame trade

Posted by: Ben | July 19, 2007 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Trade:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=1027~1731~183~851&teams=27~27~25~25

Seattle Gets:

-Antoinio Daniels
-Etan Thomas
-1st or 2nd Round 08′ Draftt Pick

Washington Gets:

-Chris Wilcox
-Earl Watson

i wish there was a way to get Nick Collison from the Sonics but no reasonable trade works out he is a 10ppg-9rpg guy also a perfect fit

Posted by: Fulvio | July 19, 2007 2:45 PM | Report abuse

First- We need a new post!!! Ivan and Michael are better than any of the articles and information from elsewhere, y'all have your fingers on the pulse on the NBA. Hook us up!

Second- Haslem would me much better than Jason Williams. Williams is one of those always injured players. Whereas Haslem is a 12 ppg 8 rbd guy and is only 27.

Third- Should we really be worried about helping out Miami? Shaq is 35 years old, Alonzo Mourning is 37. Miami is on the decline and is close to rebuilding phase. Maybe they have one more decent year before they have to clean house. I don't see them as a division rival for the next couple of years.

Posted by: Emmet | July 19, 2007 2:45 PM | Report abuse

or we could do

Trade:

Seattle Gets:

-JCN
-Etan Thomas
-2nd Round 08′ Draft Pick

Washington Gets:

-Chris Wilcox

Posted by: Fulvio | July 19, 2007 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Ben,

but if we can get Chris Wilcox I would take it over any other deal unless we get a Top 10 Protected Pick

Posted by: Fulvio | July 19, 2007 2:50 PM | Report abuse

i don't get it, signing Francis means Houston now have 204 guards on their roster: T-Mac, Alston, Head, Bonzi Wells, Mike James, Kirk Snyder, A. Brooks (R)

Posted by: subZero | July 19, 2007 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Why does Seattle make that deal?

Posted by: Stringer | July 19, 2007 2:54 PM | Report abuse

It seems as though the Wizards have the bargaining power. Navarro can either go to Memphis, Philadelphia, Boston, Cleveland, Miami, or go back to Europe for a lucrative contract.
Miami on the otherhand has limited options for the guard position. Gary Payton's done, Kaponos gone, and Jason Williams is always injured. They missed out on Mo Williams. Morris Peterson has already signed with the Hornets. If Steve Francis chooses Houston over Miami, then the Miami will really need to get Navarro. After him, their options are free agents Jannero Pargo, Smush Parker, and Brevin Knight. [http://www.hoopsworld.com/article_22789.shtml]

The Wizards should be able to get rid of Thomas and JCN and receive Haslem. It all depends on Steve Francis, let's hope he goes to the Rockets, which would be a slap to the Magics organization considering they traded McGrady for Francis a few years ago.

Posted by: Emmet | July 19, 2007 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Haslem is the better player but wouldn't mind J-will. He is a valuable commodity (has expiring contract)

Posted by: subZero | July 19, 2007 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Seattle is not trading Wilcox for Thomas, no matter what other junk from the trash heap the Wiz throw in.

Posted by: kalorama | July 19, 2007 2:57 PM | Report abuse

mikie that's "lull" and you don't just make a trade just so you can make it when your team is that close to playing with the "Big Boys".

Posted by: | July 19, 2007 11:19 AM

Ivan - New Post, please...... Thanks!!! I am starting to get "lulled" to sleep here with the same old stuff.

Thanks for the spelling correction (rushing to post) "unknown" poster. "I guess I am not smarter then a 5th grader".......

Posted by: mikie | July 19, 2007 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Seattle is not taking on Etan's contract and lack of production in return for Wilcox. Wilcox is younger, better and cheaper.

Posted by: JJ | July 19, 2007 3:06 PM | Report abuse

"unless we get a Top 10 Protected Pick"

you do realize we wouldn't get the draft pick under these circumstances, don't you?

Posted by: Anonymous | July 19, 2007 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Emmet, where are you getting Philly from? Has anyone said they're interested in Navarro??

If they are I'd deal the rights to Navarro for the rights to Kyrylo Fesenko in a heartbeat!

Posted by: Darnell | July 19, 2007 3:12 PM | Report abuse

Fesenko's rights were traded to Utah.

One of the stories earlier in the week (from mentioned Philly and Boston.

Posted by: Monte | July 19, 2007 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Thanks Monte

Posted by: Darnell | July 19, 2007 3:21 PM | Report abuse

add Rafer Alston and Little John Lucas to the "PG who could be traded list".

protected picks normally lose protection as the years go, per negotiation. So its top 10 protected in 08, top 5 protected in 09 etc, until there are no protections left.

Posted by: Johnny Boy | July 19, 2007 3:25 PM | Report abuse

I'm going to just go ahead and say it, ET and BH will both be back next year on the Wiz squad, we're going to have another dred-lock ripping season with those guys. I just don't see EG finding a team who will take the ET contract off our hands, and I def. don't see EG giving Haywood up given that in the right hands (see 08-09 season without EJ as coach) he could be decent starting center.

I hate to be the pessimist but I just don't see it happening, even with JCN as trade bait.

Also, if I end up seeing Jason Williams go to the Wiz in a trade for JCN, you'll find me on 7th and F st, crouched in a ball, rocking back and forth...PLEASE no white chocolate in a Wiz jersey!

Posted by: Nick | July 19, 2007 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Pooooooooooooooooooooooooooooost!!!

Posted by: Postman | July 19, 2007 3:54 PM | Report abuse

There is nothing to report guys. Ivan is on vacation and I'm on vacation too. Why don't you all enjoy the rest of your summer and not think about this stuff. It will all work out for the Wiz.

Posted by: Ernie Grunfeld | July 19, 2007 3:55 PM | Report abuse

we could also try to get Nick Collison from them he is a 10ppg-9rpg guy and an assist and a block we can do

Haywood
JCN

for

Nick Collison

and swap 2nd rounders

Posted by: Fulvio | July 19, 2007 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Navarro for future picks?
http://fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/nba#

Posted by: Brandon | July 19, 2007 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Hey we know thats not EG we are not dumb

But it would be cool if EG would read these comments we have maybe he would get ideas...lol

Posted by: Fulvio | July 19, 2007 3:58 PM | Report abuse

No, I read your post from time to time. Mostly to get a laugh or two. You guys are idiots with some of your "comments". If I considered any of your "comments" I would be fired and never work in the NBA again.

Posted by: Ernie Grunfeld | July 19, 2007 4:05 PM | Report abuse

No, I read your post from time to time. Mostly to get a laugh or two. You guys are idiots with some of your "comments". If I considered any of your "comments" I would be fired and never work in the NBA again.

Posted by: Ernie Grunfeld | July 19, 2007 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Darnell,
The talk about the teams interested in JCN is on bulletsforever.com The mention of the 76ers is in the article "Wish List for Navarro".

Posted by: Emmet | July 19, 2007 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Come back to the pool, Ernie...

Posted by: Mrs. Grunfeld | July 19, 2007 4:06 PM | Report abuse

I'am coming Honey...

Posted by: Ernie Grunfeld | July 19, 2007 4:13 PM | Report abuse

You got to be more nice to those people they really believe in you....

Posted by: Mrs. Grunfeld | July 19, 2007 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Collison is a Base year Compensation player. That deal doesn't work either.

fulvio,
Teams aren't going to hand you younger, cheaper and more productive players for Etan and his 7 million in salary.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 19, 2007 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Brandon,
tThats from a story out of Miami (Herald?) this morning. No other details available.

Posted by: Stringer | July 19, 2007 4:20 PM | Report abuse

I can believe Francis is signing a deal at 3 mil per year

Posted by: Fulvio | July 19, 2007 4:25 PM | Report abuse

I CANT believe Francis is signing a deal at 3 mil per year

Posted by: Fulvio | July 19, 2007 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Maybe fulvio can see if Orlando or Phoenix will take ET + JCN + 2nd round pick for D. Howard or Stoudemire, respectively. If it works on the trade machine, then it could be true right? Those young productive big guys are a dime a dozen.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 19, 2007 4:27 PM | Report abuse

but it necesarily doesnt have to be that trade i can be another

Posted by: Fulvio | July 19, 2007 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Nick,
What are Miami's other options? They don't have any good guards behind D-Wade. Who's left on the market? Jannero Pargo? Brevin Knight? Smush Parker?

Posted by: Emmet | July 19, 2007 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Wanted to take this opportunity to say, Please God let's get more than draft picks for Navarro aka one of the best guards in the world!!!!! Now that that's over with...

Posted by: Emmet | July 19, 2007 4:34 PM | Report abuse

AMEN.....Emmet

Posted by: Fulvio | July 19, 2007 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Francis just got 30 million from Paul Allen. Any money he makes over the next 2 years decreases the money Allen owes him per their agreement. So it doesn't matter what he gets from his new team. Houston had to pay Scola, now Francis gets whats left.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 19, 2007 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Ivan and everyone else, I need some clairfication. I keep reading that since the Wiz signed D. Stevenson they don't have enough left of the mid-level exception to sign Blatche. Ivan wrote last month that that is not the case (Read Below). So if the Wiz don't match the an offer to Blatche, it's because of what, the mid-level or L Tax?

Update on Blatche
In today's paper and in last night's blog I wrote about the Cleveland Cavaliers and New Jersey Nets planning on making runs at signing Wiz free agent forward Andray Blatche. That's correct but there is one thing I have to clarify from my reporting. Because Blatche is an "early bird" free agent, the Wizards can sign him outright or match any offer made to him without dipping into their mid-level exception (a first-year salary starting at around $5 million). Oddly enough, the rule is known as the "Arenas rule" because Golden State was unable to match Washington's offer to him in the summer of 2003 because they could not go above and beyond the ML.

So, the Wiz could sign Blatche or match an offer made to him AND still have their ML free to sign other players (DeShawn Stevenson for instance). My bad on that.

Posted by: Dthefan | July 19, 2007 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Stevenson took up 3.7 of the MLE. So there's 1.6 left. The early Bird rule lets us match Blatche (without effecting the MLE) but puts us up against the luxury tax. thats why Ernie wants to move some salary first.

Posted by: Monte | July 19, 2007 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Ivan is not on vacation he is appearing at this moment talking about Micheal Vick on Washington Post Live

Posted by: Anonymous | July 19, 2007 5:19 PM | Report abuse

Yeah yeah, I know Emmet. But I feel like I don't want to get my hopes up with this. Every time I do we get disappointed. I have faith in Grunfeld. If Haslem comes our way then I'll be a little happier.

I'll reserve excitement when I see what trade comes out of this.

Posted by: Nick | July 19, 2007 5:34 PM | Report abuse

I was ready to reluctantly be in favor of getting a first rounder. I'd perfer to get help this year but something is better than nothing. I know this is not a popularly held opinion.

Then you guys told me Francis signed w/Houston. Miami is backed into a corner negotiation-wise. Bleed 'em Ernie.

Posted by: Patrick | July 19, 2007 5:56 PM | Report abuse

The Rockets are stacked at the guard position now. They have Bonzi Wells, Mike James, Luther Head, Rafer Alston, and now Steve Francis. Wow!

Posted by: Emmet | July 19, 2007 6:01 PM | Report abuse

The Rockets are stacked at the guard position now. They have Bonzi Wells, Mike James, Luther Head, Rafer Alston, and now Steve Francis. Wow!

Posted by: Emmet | July 19, 2007 6:01 PM | Report abuse

Sorry about the double post.
Wanted to add that Francis, Wells, James, Head, and Alston are not all the Rockets guards. They also have John Lucas III, Aaron Brooks, Kirk Snyder, Bob Sura(although he might retire). Thats 9 guards in all

Posted by: Emmet | July 19, 2007 6:06 PM | Report abuse

Sorry about the double post.
Wanted to add that Francis, Wells, James, Head, and Alston are not all the Rockets guards. They also have John Lucas III, Aaron Brooks, Kirk Snyder, Bob Sura(although he might retire). Thats 9 guards in all

Posted by: Emmet | July 19, 2007 6:06 PM | Report abuse

Nick Collison:

Born: Oct 26, 1980
Height: 6-10 / 2,08
Weight: 255 lbs. / 115,7 kg.
College : Kansas
Years Pro: 3

2006-07 Statistics

MPG 29
PPG 10
RPG 9
APG 1
BPG 1

EFF + 14.22

Career Highs:

29 Points
21 Rebounds (wow)

Ranks #18 in the NBA in Rebounds Per Game
Ranks #27 in the NBA in Field-Goal Percentage
Ranks #26 in the NBA in Rebounds Per 48 Minutes
Ranks #46 in the NBA in Blocks Per 48 Minutes

Posted by: Fulvio | July 19, 2007 6:31 PM | Report abuse

This may be old news, but the Miami Herald is reporting that the "Heat has offered a combination of future draft picks for Navarro's rights"

I sure hope it's more than "picks" and Ernie is able to package ET or AD and JCN for Haslem and picks. The Heat are looking for a backup point guard, so AD would a better deal for the Heat, but I'd rather see Ernie get rid of the Poet.

The only player on the Heat that I think that would make us better (obviously with the exception of Shaq or Wade) would be Haslem.

Also, if we trade AD we'll have to rely on youngsters, and we'd be pretty thin at guard.

Posted by: Rook | July 19, 2007 6:58 PM | Report abuse

and? he is still a base salary guy which means we have to take back more in salary besides just him and there's still no reason Seattle would move him.

go convince the sonics.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 19, 2007 6:59 PM | Report abuse

yea hope we can pull off a trade for either one now that they just got Durant the have Robert Swift and Chris Wilcox at 5 and Durant Collison at 4 Jeff Green and Syerbiak at 3

hope we can get either Collison or Wilcox

Posted by: Fulvio | July 19, 2007 7:49 PM | Report abuse

anybody there??

Posted by: Anonymous | July 19, 2007 9:38 PM | Report abuse

pass the crazy

Posted by: Anonymous | July 19, 2007 10:10 PM | Report abuse

Holy crap. Check out the wikipedia article on JCN:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juan_Carlos_Navarro

Posted by: Monty | July 19, 2007 10:23 PM | Report abuse

ha ha ha very funny NOT :

Posted by: Fulvio | July 19, 2007 10:55 PM | Report abuse

can anyone who is an insider copy hollinger's offseason report on the Wiz
Thanks

Posted by: Anonymous | July 20, 2007 12:00 AM | Report abuse

Does anybody on this blog like Yi? The DC area is not like Frisco, LA, or New York, but it does have a good number of asians although Yi might have a hard time finding chinatown once he steps out of Verizon Center.

For Yi, I would give up Nick Young, DMac, and AB. Would that be enough to make Milwaukee bite?

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 20, 2007 12:19 AM | Report abuse

Or, give up Nick Young, JCN, and Etan.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 20, 2007 12:29 AM | Report abuse

FYI:

If JCN signs a long term deal after waiting this long for Les BouleS to act, then Les BouleS will be left with nothing, b/c JCN would have signed away any trade value that he has. EG better move on this quick.

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The Washington Wizards are considering a potential trade with the Heat that would include future draft picks in exchange for the rights to Spanish star guard Juan Carlos Navarro. The Wizards have been shopping Navarro's rights for weeks but reportedly want to include the 6-3, 170-pound guard in a package deal. Miami Herald

The Wizards reportedly had been holding out for a team that also would take on one of the bloated contracts belonging to center Brendan Haywood (three years/$16.5 million), guard Antonio Daniels (three/$18.6 million) or forward Etan Thomas (three/$20.6 million). Miami Herald

To execute such a deal, the Heat would have to send a player or players due similar salaries for at least next season, such as Williams, Antoine Walker or Udonis Haslem. It's unclear if the Wizards are interested in either Williams or Walker, and the Heat has been reluctant to offer Haslem in the deal. Miami Herald

Navarro has negotiated a $3 million buyout of his Barcelona contract and, if traded, will seek at least a three-year deal for around $10 million. Alex Saratsis, Navarro's agent, said Wednesday the buyout calls for FC Barcelona to be paid $1 million a year for three years. But it is possible Navarro could stay in Europe and sign a lucrative long-term contract. ''Juan Carlos just wants a deal in the NBA to be resolved,'' Saratsis said. ``Within the next two weeks, it's got to all come to a head. We hope so.'' Miami Herald

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 20, 2007 12:33 AM | Report abuse

Ivan/Michael,

We need some reporting on Navarro, Blatche, who is going to play center, and the rest of the projected rotation!

Posted by: KSM | July 20, 2007 12:57 AM | Report abuse

Ivan/Michael,

We need some reporting on Navarro and Blatche.

Posted by: KSM | July 20, 2007 12:58 AM | Report abuse

Miami Herald:

"The Heat might now bring more urgency to trade talks with Washington for the rights to Spanish star Juan Carlos Navarro. The Heat has offered a combination of draft picks for Navarro's rights, which Washington has held since drafting him in the second round in 2002."

Posted by: Anonymous | July 20, 2007 2:21 AM | Report abuse

Miami Herald:

"The Heat might now bring more urgency to trade talks with Washington for the rights to Spanish star Juan Carlos Navarro. The Heat has offered a combination of draft picks for Navarro's rights, which Washington has held since drafting him in the second round in 2002."

Posted by: Anonymous | July 20, 2007 2:23 AM | Report abuse

Miami Heat trolls are posting here calling for our trading Navarro and Etan to the Heat.

Either that or these posters are not very bright.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 20, 2007 2:42 AM | Report abuse

Ivan - 300 something post so far!!! Can you help us out here and please start a new post?????? Remember this is the summer. There are no sports going on except baseball (boring), soccer (say what????), golf (boring again), and car racing (don't get it). Need I say more???

Mike Lee - Nothing against you, but all your stuff is "national" stuff (other NBA team information) and as a Bullets/Wizards fan since 1977 all attention, via the media, has always been on "other" teams and not the Bullets/Wizards.

That is why I don't ask you for new posts, because I know your stuff is going to be on the Lakers, Spurs, and/or Heat. Your articles are great, but I could care less about any of those teams except the Wizards.

I am glad the Post, Ivan and yourself came up with this blog to talk Wizards. As you guys can see, we are some pretty hardcore fans who know the game. I wonder if any of the Wiz read these blogs? Anyway, keep up the good work and how about giving us a new post to comment on, Ivan?????


Posted by: mikie | July 20, 2007 8:17 AM | Report abuse

Miami is feeling the squeeze with Francis off the market. Daniels could definitely be in play.

Posted by: JJ | July 20, 2007 8:44 AM | Report abuse

I'm so glad to see I'm not the only one going nuts with sports boredom this summer. The Wiz news is keeping me sane.

But I gotta say that today will probably be the last time I hop on the comments section of the Insider until I finish reading book 7 of Harry Potter. Call me a dork/nerd/whatever, but I can't take the chance that some schmuck will spoil the book for everyone on one of these lesser monitored boards.

So to all you guys, thanks for the insightful posts. Been a joy reading through them. I'll be back on in a couple weeks. Hope to be back on posting about how effective our line-up will be after acquiring some quality player in the upcoming JCN trade.

Take care and enjoy the summer! It goes by faster than we imagine.

- Nick

Posted by: Nick | July 20, 2007 9:23 AM | Report abuse

relationships are tested, hearts and hopes are piqued, Harry is heroic, the end.

Posted by: Spoiler Alert | July 20, 2007 9:36 AM | Report abuse

Haha, personally, I think it'll turn out that Harry was dead all along--wait, maybe I'm thinking of a certain movie...

Posted by: Nick | July 20, 2007 9:41 AM | Report abuse

Someone asked for the insider report on the Wizard's offseason moves. Here is Hollinger's report on them in his feature Who's Improved for 2007-08? Wizards are #8 on most improved.


8. Washington Wizards
(added Nick Young, Oleksiy Pecherov; likely to add Juan Carlos Navarro)

Can it be? Do the Wizards finally have a bench? Adding three young players to the mix (their last two first-round picks plus whomever they trade for Navarro) certainly makes last season's feeble second unit seem much more imposing for this go-round.

As those who read my draft preview know, I'm hugely skeptical of Young. But if all he has to do is improve upon Roger Mason Jr.'s play last season, I'm guessing he can handle that. Similarly, Pecherov is something of a mystery meat, but he can't be any worse than Jarvis Hayes was last season. And Navarro will be a solid No. 3 guard wherever he ends up, though right now the Wizards seem intent on a trade.

Posted by: Emmet | July 20, 2007 9:53 AM | Report abuse

Dear Mr. Grunfeld
Please get something more than draft picks in return for JCN. We should have gotten assurances on a JCN deal before we signed Stevenson, because I thought a large chunk of the reason we signed Stevenson is because we could use bigs from a Navarro deal and dumping Thomas/Haywood more than we could use support at the guard position.
Come through, validate our borderline-obsessive love of Les Boules.

P.S Tell Ivan Carter to throw us some meat.

Posted by: Emmet | July 20, 2007 10:09 AM | Report abuse

WE NEED A POST Ivan. Get off WashPo live and start covering the wiz

Posted by: Anonymous | July 20, 2007 10:30 AM | Report abuse

Nick,

A grown a$$ man reading Harry Potter? Dude, you are a dork. Read Maxim or King and get some real knowledge.

Posted by: white chocolate | July 20, 2007 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Attention everyone...Please step away fom JCN's b@lls.

Ernie has not led this franchise astray in the past and he wont do it with Navarro. This current roster isnt going to the finals without front court help. JCN isnt front court help. Any picks or cap help for 08-09 is more important what JCN will contribute in 07-08.

Posted by: Ledell Eackles | July 20, 2007 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Anyone want to guess who the NBA ref being investigated by the FBI is?

http://www.nypost.com/seven/07202007/news/columnists/nba_in_a_fix_columnists_murray_weiss.htm

Posted by: Sam | July 20, 2007 12:01 PM | Report abuse

If its Joey Crawford he's having the worst year of his life.

Posted by: Sam | July 20, 2007 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Mike and Ivan

ANY RECENTS YOU MIGHT WANT TO TALK ABOUT

WE ARE DIEING HERE LIKE HUNGRY TIGERS

WE NEED THESE RUMORS

Posted by: Fulvio | July 20, 2007 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Haha, yeah I know. I'm a dork along with the other 300 million people that have bought the books. Oh well.

Posted by: Nick | July 20, 2007 1:22 PM | Report abuse

harry dies, hermione dies, ron dies, voldemort dies. both weasleys die. ginny dies.

j/k. I never read the book. I just figured I'd make Nick shart his pants by spoiling his ending. ;)

Posted by: mark | July 23, 2007 2:33 PM | Report abuse

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