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Ernie plays wait and see


Sorry about the lack of updates but 1. Nothing new has gone down and 2. Mike and yours truly have been working hard on this Tim Donaghy story since it popped on Friday. No vacation folks, so please cut a little slack.

The Juan Carlos Navarro situation really comes down to this: Ernie Grunfeld doesn't have to do a darn thing with the guy. Yes, Ernie is risking losing JNC should he allow next week's "deadline" for a making a deal to expire. JNC would go back to Barcelona, the buyout would likely shoot back up to $14 mill or so and that would be that though the Wiz would still own his rights.

Now, it all depends on how badly other teams want JNC. So far, I've heard that as many as eight have shown interest. Miami wants him badly but has offered a late first round pick (from what I've heard). Now ask yourself a question: why would Ernie help a division rival like that? Answer: he wouldn't. If Pat Riley wants JNC that badly, he's gonna have to make it hurt. As for the other teams, I've heard nothing resembling a knock-Ernie's-socks-off offer (doesn't mean it hasn't happened, that's just what I've heard).

So Ernie will kick back, hold his hand and see if anyone steps out with something he likes. What's the worst thing that can happen? Ernie waits 'till the last minute and trades his rights to some team for a first round pick? If that's the offer, it's not as though some team is going to take that off the table. If they want him, they'll do what they have to do to get him.

Can't offer much of an update on Andray Blatche either. In fact, things have been shockingly quiet around him since I returned from summer league. Again, that doesn't mean that nothing is poppin', just means I haven't heard about it and as you know, it's my job to hear about things. Word is that Ernie and Andray's rep are still talking. Haven't heard of a single legit offer coming Andray's way from another team though it's very possible that teams are sitting back and waiting until all of their other business is handled. My guess is that the Wiz and 'dray will agree to three-year deal of some sort.

Word is that Gilbert has already played at the Farms and will be there with Carmelo Anthony on Sunday. I'll find out more and let you know.


By Ivan Carter  |  July 26, 2007; 5:11 PM ET
 
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Welcome back Ivan...No news.....well no new news is better than no news at all!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | July 26, 2007 5:34 PM | Report abuse

Ivan,

Do you see any scenario whatsoever that we can sign JCN?

Perhaps by moving Etan/Brendan or AD for less than what EG was originally asking and freeing up some cap space?

Thanks.

Posted by: J in DC | July 26, 2007 5:37 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for the fill-in.

Why would EG even think of taking an early deal if indeed there are up to eight teams interested in Navarro? Deadlines force creativity, not to mention desperation, so the best deal might finally surface on the last day.

I had thought that Blatche's contract might be dependent on what happens with Thomas or Heywood or Daniels because of the cap and luxury tax issues vs. total payroll.

The most confusing question is why we don't hear of trading Heywood rather than Thomas. And why they'd want to get rid of Daniels.

Have Brendan and the Coach gotten together? Is Daniels wrong for this team? Strange talk comin' down from above.

But November's a long ways away and nothing is crucial in late July!

Posted by: joe c | July 26, 2007 5:37 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for the update Ivan. Much appreciated.

Posted by: Sam | July 26, 2007 5:41 PM | Report abuse

Appreciate the update, Ivan. I hope this quiets all the "Navarro as second coming" b.s. You've explained the situation very well.

It kills me that you call him JNC.

Posted by: Patrick | July 26, 2007 5:45 PM | Report abuse

JNC? Are you kidding me?

Posted by: Juan Navarro Carlos | July 26, 2007 5:53 PM | Report abuse

JNC? Are you kidding me?

Posted by: Juan Navarro Carlos | July 26, 2007 5:54 PM | Report abuse

The Wizards should either trade for an acceptable offer or keep him. JCN is a great player who has proved himself in Europe and I think the Wizards are short-changing his abilities/potential simply because they are loaded at the guard position. I personally believe they should keep him because he can be signed at a much cheaper price than he is worth.

Posted by: Nicky | July 26, 2007 5:55 PM | Report abuse

Well, trading him or keeping him are really their only choices.

Grunfeld holds all the cards on this. There's no pressure on him to make a move because most of the impetus for trading him is about money and if Grunfeld does nothing, it'll cost him nothing. Navarro will go back to Europe and (if what Ivan says about his buyout going back up is true) in all likelihood not be heard of again by the NBA, at least until his Euro contract expires, at which point he may give it another shot. It's interesting to see so much emotion being stirred up over the fate of a 27 year old would-be rookie whose value as an NBA player is uncertain and unproven.

"The most confusing question is why we don't hear of trading Heywood rather than Thomas. And why they'd want to get rid of Daniels."

The Haywood thing isn't really that confusing, Joe. Ernie likes Haywood, in part because he's younger and cheaper than Thomas. (It's becoming increasingly obvious that Grunfeld is under orders from Pollin to keep spending under control.) Throughout all the drama with Haywood, Grunfeld was consistent in never saying anything that could even be taken as a hint of an inclination to trade him. But the very reasons Grunfeld likes him are the reasons he'd be easier to trade than Thomas. That's why all the talk of tying any deal for Navarro to taking Thomas as well. Carrot-and-stick approach.

Daniels is a bit more puzzling. Yes, he's somewhat overpaid for a backup but he's also better by a good margin than anyone they could get to replace him at a significantly cheaper price. I also think he could stand to play a bigger role for the team. Not as a starter, but certainly more than the 22 mpg he got last season.

Posted by: kalorama | July 26, 2007 6:10 PM | Report abuse

Ivan,

Do you see any scenario whatsoever that we can sign JCN?

Perhaps by moving Etan/Brendan or AD for less than what EG was originally asking and freeing up some cap space?

Thanks.

Posted by: J in DC | July 26, 2007 05:37 PM

I know this was directed an Ivan, but I'll go ahead and answer it anyway. I got the same question on Bullets Forever, and here's how I answered it:

"Unfortunately, they really can't get Navarro to sign at this point, no matter what happens.

The Wizards are over the cap, so the only way they can add new players is to use one of their exceptions (mid-level exception, bi-annual low-level exception). The mid-level exception is worth around 5.3 million annually, while the low-level exception (which the Wizards do have) is around 1.8 million, I believe. Unfortunately, by re-signing DeShawn Stevenson, the Wizards ate into a large portion of that mid-level exception, leaving less than 2 million left. Navarro has said he wants to sign for something like 3-4 million dollars a year, but the Wizards can only offer the remnants of that mid-level. Essentially, they needed to decide between Navarro and Stevenson, and Ernie opted for Stevenson.

Blatche is different because we own exclusive Bird Rights on him, meaning that we can re-sign him for any amount no matter our cap situation. This is actually because of an exception known as the Gilbert Arenas rule. Prior to Arenas, teams had to use their mid-level exception to sign second-round picks when they became free agents, but after the Warriors were totally shut out of the Gilbert Arenas sweepstakes in the summer of 2004, because they were over the cap, the CBA was changed to give teams Bird Rights on second-round picks. The only thing we have to worry about with Blatche is the luxury tax threshold."

Link is here: http://www.bulletsforever.com/story/2007/7/25/151141/384

Trading away Haywood/Thomas/Daniels to clear up cap space won't work. In order to create enough space to get Navarro to sign a 3.5 million dollar deal annually, the Wizards need to clear over 11 million dollars in salary. The salary cap is currently at around 55 million, and the Wizards' team salary is currently at around 63 million. The only way anything works is if the Wizards get around 4 million under the cap. Basically, they have to trade both Thomas AND Daniels and get no salary back in return, which, obviously, is an impossible task.


Posted by: Pradamaster | July 26, 2007 6:26 PM | Report abuse

Haywood is so much better than Etan it's not even funny. Eddie Jordan needs to stop being a fool and play the best 7 footer on the team and potentially one of the best defensive centers in the East.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 26, 2007 6:50 PM | Report abuse

Thanks Ivan. Its good to hear that there's no news rather than not hear anything and wonder if there's news that we're not hearing about. Appreciate the work you and Michael do.

Posted by: Emmet | July 26, 2007 7:06 PM | Report abuse

Ivan,

I agree that EG should not help Miami or anyone in the Eastern Conference if he can avoid it. I would think Navarro for a first round pick in the Western Conference would be a good idea. Letting Navarro go back to Spain if that is on the table is not smart.

Posted by: KSM | July 26, 2007 8:12 PM | Report abuse

NO!

You are not allowed to do anything except post on THIS blog! ;)

NO SLACK ALLOWED!

I've accepted Navarro will not be a Wizard.

Ivan, how come we had to find out the coaching assistant hire somewhere else? I didn't even know they were looking at that guy. :(

What is your take on that? How about the players?

- Ray

PS - Screw the NBA ref story, we all know there will be more bad apples somewhere down the line. No one was shocked to hear about it, it's bound to happen again.

Posted by: Ray | July 26, 2007 8:13 PM | Report abuse

either get Camby, Kyrylo Fesenko in a trade or let him go bak we wouldnt gain anything or we wouldnt lose anything he would still be there for us in the future

Posted by: Fulvio | July 26, 2007 8:53 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, What's up with the new assistant?
Anybody have a take on him. Any reaction from the players? Let's hope he can find a way to help the team get some more stops. Brendan &/or Etan has to up their game this year. We need them to Avg. at least 10 a game. Maybe Eddie needs to run them more plays.

Posted by: Sam | July 26, 2007 9:06 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for the update Ivan!

I am also interested in the Haywood situation. There seems no indication we are looking to move him which suprises me. Do you know how he feels about coming back? Didn't he say something to the effect that he would want a trade unless there was a coaching change?


Posted by: Darnell | July 26, 2007 9:08 PM | Report abuse

Why DOES he call him JCN??

Posted by: Anonymous | July 26, 2007 9:41 PM | Report abuse

Why DOES he call him JNC, I mean??

Posted by: Anonymous | July 26, 2007 9:41 PM | Report abuse

Chill folks. I suspect that Ivan meant JCN. First everyone wants him to post every day and then they flip out over a typo... Its a blog, not edited copy...!

Posted by: Anonymous | July 26, 2007 10:09 PM | Report abuse

"dcman, thats exactly what Navarro's people and the Heat want you to think. He's still one of if not the top guard in Europe. He's not coming here so the clock is ticking on them, not us. We know he's not coming to DC. He's never so much as put on a Wizards practice jersey. So if he goes back to Europe its his loss, and the Heat or Grizzlies' loss, not ours.

in fact, the only way Ernie and the team lose in this situation is if they let him go for pennies on the dollar to a playoff team in their division.

Posted by: Monte | July 26, 2007 10:28 AM "

"Grunfeld holds all the cards on this. There's no pressure on him to make a move because most of the impetus for trading him is about money and if Grunfeld does nothing, it'll cost him nothing. Navarro will go back to Europe and (if what Ivan says about his buyout going back up is true) in all likelihood not be heard of again by the NBA, at least until his Euro contract expires, at which point he may give it another shot. It's interesting to see so much emotion being stirred up over the fate of a 27 year old would-be rookie whose value as an NBA player is uncertain and unproven.

Posted by: kalorama | July 26, 2007 06:10 PM"


Sure, Grunfeld does not "lose" anything if he lets JCN return to Europe, but for sure, he gains NOTHING either. He does not have to trade JCN to a division rival like the heat. He can trade JCN to a west coast team, even to Memphis. I would think Les BouleS have the most leverage against Memphis b/c Gasol came out and said he wanted JCN on his team.

Imagine if your loved one died and in their will, you were given their house (rights to JCN). You never sold this house and just let it sit and rot. Given this, the next door neighbor used "eminent domain" as a reason to claim your house and took it (JCN's euro team will sign him for an extension). Now, you lost "nothing" because you didn't buy the house (2nd round draft pick), but you gained nothing because you didn't sell it for even 1 penny. I don't think you're better off by letting a neighbor (ie. JCN's euro team) take the house you inherited via eminent domain.

Grunfeld needs to move and either make room for JCN or trade him. He's sat on this egg way too long.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 26, 2007 10:34 PM | Report abuse

Well whatever we get it's just icing on the cake. A player we've never had, and until now didn't have any reason to believe he'd play for us anytime soon if ever. We used a 2nd round pick on him, and most 2nd rounders don't make it in the league. If we walk away from this with a 1st round pick that's fine with me. Next year's draft looks to be another good one, and we could have 2 picks in the 1st round.

Posted by: Darnell | July 26, 2007 11:18 PM | Report abuse

JCN did everything in his power to try to make this work. Made his team lower their compensation requirements and is saying all the right things. Too bad Grunfeld is leaving JCN at the altar.

I think Grunfeld shot himself in the foot b/c he spent all this time watching him play live and evaluating him, and now, made moves with Les BouleS that makes it virtually impossible for JCN to play here (ie. signing DS).

To me, that signals two possibilities. Either Grunfeld doesn't feel that JCN can help the team, or Abe told him that he's not paying any stinkin' compensation to anyone. You figure that one out.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 26, 2007 11:26 PM | Report abuse

JCN did everything in his power to try to make this work. Made his team lower their compensation requirements and is saying all the right things. Too bad Grunfeld is leaving JCN at the altar.

I think Grunfeld shot himself in the foot b/c he spent all this time watching him play live and evaluating him, and now, made moves with Les BouleS that makes it virtually impossible for JCN to play here (ie. signing DS).

To me, that signals two possibilities. Either Grunfeld doesn't feel that JCN can help the team, or Abe told him that he's not paying any stinkin' compensation to anyone. You figure that one out.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 26, 2007 11:28 PM | Report abuse

Next years draft seems heavy on PG's and C's up top, so getting an extra 1st rounder to package w/ ours might not be half bad.

Posted by: akmed0 | July 26, 2007 11:33 PM | Report abuse

EG is milking the JCN situation for all its worth. There really is no rush since EG "holds all the cards"....as for Blatche, no need to rush that one either since the Wiz can match any offer he might receive. It would get very interesting if somebody throws their entire MLE at him.

Posted by: low | July 27, 2007 12:09 AM | Report abuse

Anything Grunfeld gets for Navarro will be gravy. Clearly Navarro was never in the Wiz's plans, so not having him on the roster is no loss to Ernie. If a first rounder from the Heat is the best he can do, that's fine by me. Because I didn't see anything from the Heat last season to suggest the Wiz should be afraid of them or that Navarro, even if he does turn out to be good, would make them into something fearsome. They're old, not very deep, and just lost their most productive role player to free agency.

But if Navarro goes back to Europe without Grunfeld making a deal, it's not like the Wiz gave up anything of value for him to begin with. He was a mid-second round pick. It's not exactly uncommon for guys taken in his slot to never play a single NBA game.

Posted by: kalorama | July 27, 2007 2:08 AM | Report abuse

i'm about to make it rain on these hoes

Posted by: Anonymous | July 27, 2007 2:25 AM | Report abuse

typo? He wrote JNC everytime in every blog entry...

Posted by: Anonymous | July 27, 2007 3:39 AM | Report abuse

DC Man88: Your argument regarding the house is almost valid. Only that we didn't get the house when someone we loved died. The one who died would be more like a second cousin who we knew a little bit as kids, and who we hadn't seen in a few years.

When it comes to these things it's almost more important not to do the wrong thing than to do the right thing. Staying put is sometimes the smartest choice.

Posted by: Charlie in Sweden | July 27, 2007 3:51 AM | Report abuse

If JCN really, really wants to play in the NBA, could he accept a one-year $1.8M offer and pay the remainder of the $3M buyout fee out of his own pocket? We'll be in a position to pay him much more next year. Risky, obviously, but if he really wants to get to the NBA, if he really believes in his skills, and if he has that kind of cash on hand, why not? As the best guard in Europe for the past several years, I bet he can afford it. Or maybe one of his sponsors would be willing to pony up the $3M, since his advertising value might go up from playing in the NBA.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 27, 2007 6:23 AM | Report abuse

The buyout is 1 million a year over the next three years.

I'm going to follow Ivan's lead and callhim JNC. Juan Navarro Carlos put the zards in a bad position by announcing out of the blue without any advance warning to EG. If EG can't do anything but let JNC go back to Spain it's JNC's fault, no EG's. Close your eyes and imagine this offseason without JNC. Anyway, if he goes back the zards are in the same position they were before -- in a position, if everyone stays healthy this time, to get to the Eastern Conference Finals. God that feels good! Just say that a few times -- Eastern Conference Finals Champions. Eastern Conference Finals Champions. Eastern Conference Finals Champions. It's like chocolate syrup for your ears.

Posted by: Zonker | July 27, 2007 7:43 AM | Report abuse

A friend in high school got chocolate syrup poured in his ear (while passed out), and he didn't like it much. The guy whose mother's white carpet got chocolate syrup on it didn't enjoy the situation too much either.

Here's to hoping Ernie can pull some decent trade out of his hat and get value for the bomber. I don't like the idea/mindset of being OK with "losing something we never had". Manu Ginobili was a 2nd rounder who the Spurs never had either. When a fortune falls in your lap, go shopping/invest, don't throw it away.

Posted by: Brandon | July 27, 2007 8:50 AM | Report abuse

Seems to me Riley has helped us out by at least establishing a min. bid for Navarro of a first rounder. Interesting that Ivan considers that it would be a late first rounder.
If Shaq continues to struggle, and alot of big guys really hit a wall in their careers, or Wade gets hurt again and that could be a mid first rounder.
But I'd agree I'd make Riley bleed for more than that, he's trying some trades, but he relly doesn't have that much anybody wants. And he's really got payroll problems, so sooner or later he might ante up some more.
Best case scenairo is to get him out West, Gasol has got to be giving Memphis fits wanting to get Navarro so they may ante up in the end. The deadline thing cuts two ways, it will start to put pressure on other team and Navarro to try and get things done.
I don't really see that Ernie preceives that he's under any pressure. One by one the teams that had full MLE to offer have gone in other directions with all or part of their money. Looks like Ernie read that one right too.
I bet at a poker table the man is one hell of a grinder, he'd just sit there and wear you out hand after hand waiting for a mistake. Ernie's already had a good summer, resigning Blatche for a reasonable deal and getting something for Navarro would be great. If he could move a contract in the process, he could cash in his chips.

Posted by: GM | July 27, 2007 9:13 AM | Report abuse

"Haywood is so much better than Etan it's not even funny. Eddie Jordan needs to stop being a fool and play the best 7 footer on the team and potentially one of the best defensive centers in the East."

The only place Haywood would be one of the best centers is in the NBDL. Etan is clearly better than him and anyone who can't see it doesn't know basketball. Etan actually tries/cares and when we give him the minutes he puts much better numbers up than haywood. Look at some of the games Etan had at the beginning of last year when we started him. Haywood is a whiny 7 footer who can't rebound and causes nothing but trouble in the locker room. He also hates our coach. I don't care if Etan has a bigger contract and is only 6'9. I will take the effort energy and heart over haywood and all the problems and pathetic play he brings. Haywood plays hard maybe 20 games a season the other 62 he is a complete waste. Also Etan plays much much better D and rebounds better which is what the wizards biggest problems are. Once again anyone who thinks haywood is better than Etan should just quit watching basketball forever b/c you clearly don't understand the sport.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 27, 2007 9:20 AM | Report abuse

Thanks for the update Ivan. I will cut you some slack for now on until October, when training camp starts. Then if I see you slipping I will have to "give you the business" again. Keep up the good work, your articles and blog information is great.

I agree with DCMann on his assestment on Navarro. EG must think Navarro is an average backup 2 guard at best, so he is not sweating him. Trust me, if this dude was "all that"; EG would have signed him last month when it was first found out he got his buyout lowered. So something is not right there.

I also still belive the "Gilbert Effect" had alot to do with Stevenson's signing. Losing Larry Hughes upset Gilbert and Eddie, and losing Jefferies upset Eddie. Now, they were both great "passes" on EG part to let them walk. Those salaries for the both of them were both way to much for their skills.

Fast forward to now, EG knows now he has made everyone happy now. Gilbert gets his boy back and Eddie does not have to "find" another "2" guard to get used to his system. And last but not least, EG has provided Eddie with a very "nice looking" bench now (i.e. McGuire, Young, OPEC and even Miles).

Eddie will not have the excuse of having a bad bench anymore for making those insane rotational moves and playing players he had no business playing the minutes he gave them.

As I have said before, I always believed Eddie was purposely playing "certain players" way to much and long to get back at EG for not resigning Larry and Jeffries and for not providing him with a legitimate bench.

Remember, EG has stayed "pat" for two years without making any trades or Free Agent additions and I remember him saying he did not need to because what we had here was good enough to go a long way in the playoffs. I bet you Eddie did not agree with that assestment. That is why he made that statement in the Cleveland series about the "talent he had to work with".

The "Gilbert Effect" partly also got Eddie that new contract extension, along with Susan's and Abe's wanting Eddie back. Now Eddie has no excuses, because of the strong draft class that will be manning the bench. Susan is now gone, the assistants only got 1 year extensions, and EG is now President of Basketball Operations and GM. See the picture now, can someone say "hostile takeover" in the future??

Lastly, EG has gotten ridden of Jarvis (a Eddie Favorite) and EG is really working on ridding the team of Etan (Eddie Favorite) and also Ruffin (Eddie Favorite). EG wants to make sure Eddie does not "overplay" these players to the determent of other players minutes.

Posted by: Bullets Fever | July 27, 2007 9:21 AM | Report abuse

"Haywood is so much better than Etan it's not even funny. Eddie Jordan needs to stop being a fool and play the best 7 footer on the team and potentially one of the best defensive centers in the East."

The only place Haywood would be one of the best centers is in the NBDL. Etan is clearly better than him and anyone who can't see it doesn't know basketball. Etan actually tries/cares and when we give him the minutes he puts much better numbers up than haywood. Look at some of the games Etan had at the beginning of last year when we started him. Haywood is a whiny 7 footer who can't rebound and causes nothing but trouble in the locker room. He also hates our coach. I don't care if Etan has a bigger contract and is only 6'9. I will take the effort energy and heart over haywood and all the problems and pathetic play he brings. Haywood plays hard maybe 20 games a season the other 62 he is a complete waste. Also Etan plays much much better D and rebounds better which is what the wizards biggest problems are. Once again anyone who thinks haywood is better than Etan should just quit watching basketball forever b/c you clearly don't understand the sport.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 27, 2007 9:22 AM | Report abuse

To succeed in this league, teams have to be lucky and to be able to take advantage of any lucky breaks it gets. The best example of a lucky break is a late draft pick that becomes a valuable asset to the team. The Spurs have been able to remain at the top of the league for a sustained period of time because of its uncanny ability to pluck valuable contributors late in the first round or in the second round.
Domimic McGuire may provide some of that luck, but there should be no question that we need to take advantage of the recent turn of events related to JCN. Allowing him to go back to Europe would be a waste of an opportunity, one that a successful franchise would never let get away.

Posted by: Bill Baxter | July 27, 2007 10:01 AM | Report abuse

To the anonymous poster: Etan is decent for 20 minutes a game every 3 games. He is NOT an NBA quality center and never will be. Just because he swings his arms/dreadlocks when he grabs one of his 5 rebounds (in 38 minutes) and is melodramatic on the court doesn't mean he's effective. I completely agree that Haywood is an underachiever but even Hollinger's stats back up the fact that Haywood IS the best defensive player on our roster and one of the best defensive centers in the East. If he stopped sulking and played hard, he'd be THE best at defense because of his size and the lack of good big men. EG is correct in trying to dump Etan rather than Haywood. Etan also has a history of getting injured. Every move EG has made, whether we like it or not, has been the correct move given the situation. We HAD to sign Deshawn as unpopular as it was. What options did we have at the 2? JCN? unproven. Jarvis? Proven (and that's not a good thing). Young? rookie. Caron? all star at the 3. I'm not a huge EG fan but I can't see a single misstep yet.

Posted by: mark | July 27, 2007 10:03 AM | Report abuse

If Navarro isn't moved, we do lose because its going to make it virtually impossible to move Etan's contract. We need to move the guy now and mandate Etan's contract go with out. 1 Center has to go and the record and salary equates to the odd man out being Etan even though Brendan & the coach don't see eye to eye. But if this happens, someone needs to sit Brendan down and make sure he is ready to meet expectations this season and not slack. Ultimately, this Heywood/Jordan thing is probably going to be a significant factor in the coach being retained, fired or him putting in his resignation.

Posted by: G$ | July 27, 2007 10:15 AM | Report abuse

The only place Haywood would be one of the best centers is in the NBDL. Etan is clearly better than him and anyone who can't see it doesn't know basketball. Etan actually tries/cares and when we give him the minutes he puts much better numbers up than haywood.

Posted by: | July 27, 2007 09:20 AM

Anonymous - Or should I say Etan??? Thanks for your post and assestment of yourself, because nobody else here for the most part will agree with your own assestment of yourself.

Anonymous - Or should I say Mike Lee? I say this because you have always shown a strong "disdain" for Mr. Haywood in your past blogs and Q/A sessions, without even looking at the actual numbers on when Haywood was in games and played at least 30 minutes.

You would be whining too if your "Boss" was always playing "mind games" with you everytime you came to work. You would whine to if you saw your "Boss" or your "Coach" playing favorites all of the time, and you were not one of those favorites.

Either way, how about "YOU" quit watching basketball forever b/c it is clear it is "YOU" who does not understand the sport.

Anonymous #2???????????

Posted by: Anonymous | July 27, 2007 10:17 AM | Report abuse

"If Navarro isn't moved, we do lose because its going to make it virtually impossible to move Etan's contract. We need to move the guy now and mandate Etan's contract go with out."

Grunfeld already tried that. No takers. Apparently, however much those rumored other teams want Navarro, they don't want him enough to saddle themselves with Etan's deal.

"Etan is decent for 20 minutes a game every 3 games. He is NOT an NBA quality center and never will be."

Replace "Etan" with "Brendan" and that sentence remains just as true. They both suck. But at least Etan gives consistent effort and doesn't openly root against his own teammates.

Posted by: kalorama | July 27, 2007 10:35 AM | Report abuse

Mark, Hollinger is a complete joke. If you go by his stats Nick fazekas would have been a top 10 pick this year in the draft.


"You would be whining too if your "Boss" was always playing "mind games" with you everytime you came to work. You would whine to if you saw your "Boss" or your "Coach" playing favorites all of the time, and you were not one of those favorites.

Either way, how about "YOU" quit watching basketball forever b/c it is clear it is "YOU" who does not understand the sport."

To the dumbass that posted this EJ wouldn't play mind games if Haywood came to play every night but instead he will give you 15 and 10 one night then the next he will give you 0 and 3. keep waiting on him he's only been in the league for what 7 or 8 years???? But your right he's probably going to have the motivation all of sudden this year out of nowhere to play all 82 games hard. im nto saying Etan is a star. He really should be playing PF but he is much better than haywood. Anyone who thinks haywood is good at defense has lost their minds. Dont throw out comments about hollingers stats watch the games its clear he plays none. He can barely get up and down the court. Haywood is worthless and its clear the league feels that way to. Normally when someone throws out a trade demand people throw offers out there. How many offers have the wizards got for Brendan Haywood????? 0000000000 zero unless you count the grizzlies trying to get navarro and add Haywood as a toss in. If he's the best Defensive center in the east why does he have a smaller contract than Etan and where are all the trade offers. Tell me guys please. Also I am happy i disagree with you all b/c your probably a bunch of internet goobers who have never touched a basketball in your life. Watch the games....Haywood sucks and always will but according to you guys this will be the year he puts it all together. He averages 6 and 6. You can get no names that can put up those numbers.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 27, 2007 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Mark, Hollinger is a complete joke. If you go by his stats Nick fazekas would have been a top 10 pick this year in the draft.


"You would be whining too if your "Boss" was always playing "mind games" with you everytime you came to work. You would whine to if you saw your "Boss" or your "Coach" playing favorites all of the time, and you were not one of those favorites.

Either way, how about "YOU" quit watching basketball forever b/c it is clear it is "YOU" who does not understand the sport."

To the dumbass that posted this EJ wouldn't play mind games if Haywood came to play every night but instead he will give you 15 and 10 one night then the next he will give you 0 and 3. keep waiting on him he's only been in the league for what 7 or 8 years???? But your right he's probably going to have the motivation all of sudden this year out of nowhere to play all 82 games hard. im nto saying Etan is a star. He really should be playing PF but he is much better than haywood. Anyone who thinks haywood is good at defense has lost their minds. Dont throw out comments about hollingers stats watch the games its clear he plays none. He can barely get up and down the court. Haywood is worthless and its clear the league feels that way to. Normally when someone throws out a trade demand people throw offers out there. How many offers have the wizards got for Brendan Haywood????? 0000000000 zero unless you count the grizzlies trying to get navarro and add Haywood as a toss in. If he's the best Defensive center in the east why does he have a smaller contract than Etan and where are all the trade offers. Tell me guys please. Also I am happy i disagree with you all b/c your probably a bunch of internet goobers who have never touched a basketball in your life. Watch the games....Haywood sucks and always will but according to you guys this will be the year he puts it all together. He averages 6 and 6. You can get no names that can put up those numbers.


Posted by: Anonymous | July 27, 2007 10:40 AM | Report abuse

you guys go by stats to much anyways....watch the games. Stats don't always tell the truth if you watch the games it's clear haywood is a 0. I couldn't agree more with the random poster above about haywood.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 27, 2007 10:45 AM | Report abuse

I agree with the Haywood haters above. he needs to be traded. All the Etan haters are clearly wrong. The only thing that makes haywood more attractive to the wizards/grunfeld is haywoods contract. Everyone knows Etan is the better player. Also I think the coach knows better than the GM which player is better for his line-up. Keep playing fake GM's you guys are pretty smart

Posted by: jim | July 27, 2007 10:48 AM | Report abuse

I don't agree at all that we lose "nothing" by sitting back and seeing what happens with JCN. We invested a second round pick, we sit back and let him go back to Euro League we get nothing. INfact we actually have LOST a 2nd rounder. And like somebody said earlier, how many times does a 2nd rounder become something in the NBA? I believe there may be 8 teams interested in JCN, but only 2 who'll probably pony up a FIRST rounder. Heck, a FIRST rounder for a Second isn't a bad deal (I will even have liked taking a few (2+) 2nd rounders the HEAT have the next couple of years. It looks now that Memphis is outta the picture, they signed jacobsen the other day. Miami is probably the only place I can see him going and they are not gonna wait or flinch and up the ante. (What are we gonna ask for? a trade - For WHO? WADE?, or ask for more picks? There First and second next year?)They'll probably find another BACK-UP guard elsewhere. Do we really think we are gonna get something better than a 1st rounder for a back-up guard with NO NBA experience??? I think it'll be stupid to lose out on a chance like this by playing "hardball". Again, we ARE losing something if we don't make a deal soon.

Posted by: MikeD | July 27, 2007 11:02 AM | Report abuse

To Etan, I mean the dumbass above who keeps posting the same thing multiple times, that's absurd. You've obviously only watched bits and pieces of a couple games where Haywood sucked, and Etan came off a solid poetry slam competition and had some energy still flowing. Etan is a nice guy but horrible at basketball. He is a sieve on defense. Sure maybe Haywood's 6 and 6 in 18 minutes per game doesn't make you drool, but it's a lot better than Etan's 5 and 5 in 20 minutes in the 40 or so games he manages to be injured. Why do you think nobody is willing to take Etan even with JCN when we're willing to take scrubs in return? And what makes you think nobody else wants Haywood? I'm guessing that same imagination that lead you to believe that you, I mean Etan, has any talent.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 27, 2007 11:15 AM | Report abuse

good post MIKED. I agree. Not only are we losing the 2nd rounder that we used on him but we would also be losing pieces that we could add to help our team. Memphis does look out of the deal unless we trade for a player b/c they are only carrying 13 players on the roster and their roster is full with the addition of casey jacobsen. As for the Heat I have heard they are now trying to trade for Rafer Alston. I hope Grunfeld knows what he's doing b/c if JCN goes back to europe we are losing a 2nd round pick and possible pieces that could help complete the team. If you can get a 1st rounder or a post player to help it would be nice. i would much rather send him to the west than help the heat but we better get something for him.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 27, 2007 11:17 AM | Report abuse

internet goobers... LOL... it's getting heated in here... loser.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 27, 2007 11:17 AM | Report abuse

And like somebody said earlier, how many times does a 2nd rounder become something in the NBA? "

Not nearly as often as they don't.

Posted by: kalorama | July 27, 2007 11:18 AM | Report abuse

People Don't want Etan b/c of his contract. People don't want HAYWOOD b/c He SUCKS!!!!!!!! Once again if he is so good and is the best Defensive Center in the east where are the trade offers?????? You guys are idiots im never reading a single post here again. Get a life/job you bunch of goobers. you know nothing about basketball!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | July 27, 2007 11:20 AM | Report abuse

"Why do you think nobody is willing to take Etan even with JCN when we're willing to take scrubs in return? And what makes you think nobody else wants Haywood?"

Right on. They both suck. Every other team thinks they suck. 90% chance we are suck with both of them.

Posted by: CurtisLee | July 27, 2007 11:23 AM | Report abuse

Grunfeld is a dummy. Memphis is not going to give up a lottery pick for JCN - that's GM suicide. Miami has a good offer on the table in a first round pick, and if they toss in a conditional 2nd rounder it should be a deal.
The desire to 'bleed' Miami will only come back to slap the team in the face if JCN resigns with Barca and never sniffs the NBA. In that way, the team actually loses two picks (the one they spent on him and Miami's first). Not taking away Miami's pick - that'll show 'em!
Miami is an aging team - all signs point to Shaq playing around half the season and Mourning can finally hit that wall as well leaving Doleac as principal center. Even with JCN, J-Will has tendinitis and can be expected to play hurt and miss upwards of 15-20 games. Who else does the team have? Posey? Walker? It'll be Wade the one-man show and JCN - who may find himself overmatched most nights. By taking Miami's pick, you sock it to the Heat for 2008 and have a pick that can be anywhere for 12 - 20. So the team can't rebuild. Shaq may retire, Mourning will be gone, J-Will may stay on as a back-up, and Riley would be forced to rebuild via free agency. In fact, Riley might not even be there.
Taking the Heat's pick (or picks) is the best way to hit the team.
Bleed? Bleed what - who on that team can the Wiz use? Considering no one else is able to step it up, the only bleeding is done by taking away picks.
Rethink it Carter & Lee, why toss Thomas in for Haslem if Thomas will probably come back to play career games against the Wiz? Nothing worse that a player in your division who feels slighted by your team.
Do the deal, take the pick and wilt the vine.

Posted by: Ezkerik Asko | July 27, 2007 11:23 AM | Report abuse

Anon Haywood hater, you have problems. Seek help.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 27, 2007 11:24 AM | Report abuse

"We HAD to sign Deshawn as unpopular as it was. What options did we have at the 2? JCN? unproven. Jarvis? Proven (and that's not a good thing). Young? rookie. Caron? all star at the 3."

I agreed with your post except this part. The other option would have been to sign Navarro and move Gilbert to the 2.
I have a problem with Stevenson being resigned just to make Gilbert happy, because signing Stevenson isn't going to make a difference to signing Gilbert long term next year.
It's a shame because Navarro is a better player than Stevenson in my view. But at the very least, Grunfeld is trying to get the maximum for him, instead of just giving him away to be done with the situation.

Posted by: George Templeton | July 27, 2007 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Anyone who thinks haywood is good should just kill themselves and never watch basketball again.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 27, 2007 11:30 AM | Report abuse

Anon Haywood hater is the man

Posted by: jim | July 27, 2007 11:31 AM | Report abuse

I personally think Haywood is a fantastic baller and, thanks to your anonymous comment, I shall now kill myself, and then never watch basketball again. Hope it was all worth it. Peace out fellas.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 27, 2007 11:33 AM | Report abuse

If any of the teams reportedly interested in Navarro had shown the slightest willingness to take on Thomas' contract, the deal would already be done. Navarro isn't valued enough for teams to put a noose around their salary cap by taking on the Wiz's overpaid role players. If there's a deal for Navarro's rights straight up for a 1st rounder, Grunfeld should take it. Doesn't matter who's offering it.

Posted by: kalorama | July 27, 2007 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Haywood is the worst I would trade him away for just about anything. Who cares about his value just get rid of him to shed the attitude/lack of energy. He is a locker room problem and ruins the team. He wrote free chucky on his shoes when chucky atkins wanted to be traded. All he does is cause problems with the team/coach and brings the team down. Ship him out right away

Posted by: sammy | July 27, 2007 11:36 AM | Report abuse

Sammy, we all wanted to "free Chucky." Dude was horrible, a cancer, and couldn't put the ball in the basket when it mattered. I'm shocked he's still in the league.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 27, 2007 11:38 AM | Report abuse

nice it would make the world a better place...anon haywood lover

Posted by: Anonymous | July 27, 2007 11:38 AM | Report abuse

nice it would make the world a better place...anon haywood lover

Posted by: Anonymous | July 27, 2007 11:38 AM | Report abuse

nice it would make the world a better place...anon haywood lover

Posted by: Anonymous | July 27, 2007 11:38 AM | Report abuse

I've said a thousand times on this blog, Haywood is what he is and will not EVER be a great rebounder or a great center. Again, google ndbadraft.net for the year thathe came out and you'll see that his weaknesses coming out of college are still his weaknesses. All I'm saying is...he's better...much better than Etan. Trust me. I don't go by stats and I'm pretty knowledgeable about ball. I sit in the 3rd row and I see all the little things that you can't always see on tv. Haywood is a deterrent. Even when he's lazily standing around in the paint, people know that a 7 footer is there and sometimes don't come in. Like someone else posted a while back. take a look at this...
http://www.draftexpress.com/measurements.php?year=All&sort2=DESC&draft=0&sort=6
Etan does give more of an effort but he's just not tall enough. Put Etan's desire in Haywood's frame and you'd have an all star but given a choice between the 2, BTH is better. Plus..and this is important... Etan is guaranteed to get hurt. I'd rather have a guy play 80 games a year at 70% than a guy play 50 games a year at 90% given that BTH's 70% is still better than Etan's 90%. If we are measuring heart, it's no contest. But BTH's height, wingspan make him a better choice.

Posted by: mark | July 27, 2007 11:39 AM | Report abuse

Yes we wanted to get rid of Chucky but that wasnt the point. The point is Haywood is always causing trouble. Hes always in the middle of contoversy. When you have a huge locker room problem like that it brings the entire team down.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 27, 2007 11:40 AM | Report abuse

But mark, Etan is an accomplished slam poet and dominates the paint... at Barnes and Noble.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 27, 2007 11:41 AM | Report abuse

The only Haywood controversy I'm aware of is when he gave Etan a beatdown and was pissed at his coach for losing playing time to a piece of trash. Maybe I'm strange but I don't find any fault with that.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 27, 2007 11:43 AM | Report abuse

The next season Haywood plays 80 games at 70% effort will be the first season he does so.

Posted by: kalorama | July 27, 2007 11:44 AM | Report abuse

Mark I don't trust anything you say. Everytime I read one of your posts it makes me laugh out loud. Im glad you have 3rd row seats and you think your so knowledgable but we would all be better if you kept your posts to yourself.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 27, 2007 11:44 AM | Report abuse

Mark don't try to act like the vioce of reason you are quite possibly the worst poster on here.

Posted by: jim | July 27, 2007 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Right anon Haywood hater, let's ignore mark, the guy who actually attends games and uses facts to support his points. Instead let's jump on your bandwagon of spazzing out over internet posts and calling people goobers for reading the same blog as you.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 27, 2007 11:48 AM | Report abuse

1st off you guys are a bunch of douche goobers. 2nd off if you call the random percentages that mark threw out stats your crazy. Also having a huge wingspan doesnt make you a good player. Greg Ostertag, michael olowakandi, shawn bradley, basically 90% of the 7 footers in the league suck. So those stats don't do much for me.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 27, 2007 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Anon Haywood hater, it's "you're" not "your." Also it's not 2nd off, it's "secondly." I'm enjoying your work so I just wanted to help out. You keep making the same "your" mistake and it's detracting from your invaluable wisdom and knowledge.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 27, 2007 11:58 AM | Report abuse

I'm glad you know grammar b/c you sure in the hell don't know basketball. It's alright though you really hurt me with that comment.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 27, 2007 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Just by making the grammar comment proves my point you are all a bunch of goobers who don't know basketball.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 27, 2007 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Also it's "sure as hell," not "sure in the hell." Frankly I'm a bit surprised that such an avid Etan supporter would demonstrate such reckless disregard for the English language. Maybe you just have a uniqeuly, dynamic personality though. Goober out.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 27, 2007 12:02 PM | Report abuse

once again man you are making me cry over here. really hurting me....you are so mean with the grammer mistakes....I think I'm going to pick up a few extra English classes b/c I have never been hurt like this before douche

Posted by: Anonymous | July 27, 2007 12:06 PM | Report abuse

man yous guys are so stupids. havent you known that haywood is the worst things ever. i doesnt know where you get youre info but kill yourself. your all goobers!!

Posted by: haywood sux!! | July 27, 2007 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Well I didn't post that one but i like what he had to say

Posted by: Anonymous | July 27, 2007 12:11 PM | Report abuse

dcman, they are playing you like a casio keyboard. Know the difference between being a player and being played. This is all on Ernie? JCN got out of his deal and said all the right things? Really? How many years did it take him to do so... And is that why he was quoted talking about Miami and Memphis even while his rights were owned by Washington? Remember that? His agent had to come out and squash that a talk up the Wiz a day or so later. His latest attmept to push a deal through barca's deadline demand 'doing all the right things'? Come on.

People need to realize that a second round pick in the NBA is not the same as a second round in the NFL. You guys are crying about 'losing a second round pick' from 2002.

We don't lose his rights. All it took for him to get out of his huge buyout this year was lunch with the team president. the guy wants to play in the NBA, why would he sign another contract with a huge buyout clause? Eve if he did why couldn't he get out of it just like he did this year?

Sending him back to Europe is better than handing him to the best team in our Division for magic beans. That doesn't make us better but it directly improves a rival playoff team. Thats flat DUMB. Sometimes the best deals are the ones you don't make.

Posted by: Monte | July 27, 2007 12:33 PM | Report abuse

All those who say Brendan is a legit 7 footer and is the best Defensive Center in the East......can you please tell me why a 6'9 nothing like Etan averages more blocks than him if he's so great at Defense and has such a great wingspan and clogs up the middle so much? I agree with anon Haywood hater. Not huge on Etan but he is far better then little whiny girl BRENDA!

Posted by: tim | July 27, 2007 12:35 PM | Report abuse

Take the BH/Etan stuff elsewhere. Its like arguing about which tastes better, hot garbage or wet garbage. It doesn't matter, either way you're still eating garbage!

Posted by: Stringer | July 27, 2007 12:36 PM | Report abuse

I would have to go with wet garbage and Etan

Posted by: Anonymous | July 27, 2007 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Did anyone actually say Haywood is the best defensive C in the east? Who are you guys arguing with?

Posted by: Anonymous | July 27, 2007 12:43 PM | Report abuse

First: I don't agree with your premise that Haywood is the best in the east and didn't see ayone say so. if they did, i hurt for them.

But defense is more than blocks. What are the opponents shooting percentage on Etan versus BH? I know Ilgauskas had the best FG% in the NBA after the playoff 4 games versus Etan. Thats because everyone knows they can shoot over him. Haywood size and reach does bother opposing 5's.

now can we stop comparing different kinds of garbage?

Posted by: Anonymous | July 27, 2007 12:44 PM | Report abuse

I like hot garbage

Posted by: Anonymous | July 27, 2007 12:47 PM | Report abuse

another vote for hot garbage.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 27, 2007 12:49 PM | Report abuse

Yo Mark. I agree with you on your assestment of the Haywood and Etan saga. Really I would like for both of them to be gone, but if I had to make a choice on one I would go with Haywood.

Etan is playing out of position, but Eddie likes him at the "5". That is the problem. Do we blame Etan or Eddie? As Mark has said, Etan is what he is. A "4" trying to play the "5".

Haywood is what he is. A legit "5" who does not use all of his God given attributes as he should. Etan has reached the maxium at what he can do. Again, what you see is what you are going to get.

Now for Haywood, you have seen "flashes" where if he ever learns how to put it all together and accept his role as a "rebounder, followup offensive rebounder, and shot blocker", he would probably flourish and be a nice "cog" in a very big engine (The Big Three).

That is why I would keep Haywood over Etan if I had to make a choice, which it looks like we will have to do again because nobody is trying to take Etan off of our hands.

Someone mentioned above that the Wiz were not getting any offers for Haywood. That is not true from what Ivan has reported and other Wizard articles have stated. I think Ernie thinks Haywood has more upside then Etan and he has a very nice contract for a "5". With the right coaching, Haywood might be able to turn out alright.

Posted by: bullets fever | July 27, 2007 12:50 PM | Report abuse

"Eddie Jordan needs to stop being a fool and play the best 7 footer on the team and potentially one of the best defensive centers in the East."

"but even Hollinger's stats back up the fact that Haywood IS the best defensive player on our roster and one of the best defensive centers in the East."


Posted by: Anonymous | July 27, 2007 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Jim...anonymous...it's clear now that you guys on on this blog because you are trying to get people riled up and you don't know jack. I'm not the voice of reason. I just have common bball sense. When's the last time you 2 jackasses picked up a ball or even went to a game? Bottom line. BTH is bad, Etan is worse. Jim, before you start talking about someone else's posts, come up with something intelligent to say. I'm not always right. I'm just right more often than u. At least I back up my opinions with occasional facts. There are a lot of posters I both agree and disagree with like Kalorama, Stringer, DCMAN88, etc. The fact that you trake the time to make a personal comment leads me to believe that you've run out of constructive comments. You want something to talk about, how about we talk about you ---ing my ---- ! (with a smile) :)

Posted by: mark | July 27, 2007 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Right so in fact no one actually did say he was the best defensive center in the east. Thank your clearing that up.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 27, 2007 12:55 PM | Report abuse

"I think Ernie thinks Haywood has more upside then Etan and he has a very nice contract for a "5". With the right coaching, Haywood might be able to turn out alright."

More upside when is he going to blossom??? He's been in the league 7 or 8 years. He is what he is. he isn't going to get any better. WOW thats all I have to say

Posted by: Anonymous | July 27, 2007 12:56 PM | Report abuse

EG shouldn't let Barcelona strong-arm him. Why don't they let JCN go back to Spain for one year? barcelona's claiming this lowered buy-out is a one-time deal but they're most likely bluffing. Call their bluff, let JCN play for one more year in Spain and EG can sign him next year when cap space is cleared.

Posted by: LabMonkey | July 27, 2007 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Oh little baby Mark is getting bitter b/c someone disagrees with him. I have season tickets and I play daily. Every post i read of yours is a complete joke. Have fun wasting money on season tickets b/c you obviously get nothing out of the games.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 27, 2007 1:01 PM | Report abuse

How about you anonymous posters use your names so people can respond? I don't respect what Jim said but at least he had enough stones to use a name. Why can't we talk ball and not be disrespectful? If I'm the worst poster here, at least I'm #1. I got nothing against you, Jim but if you want to get personal, no prob.

Posted by: mark | July 27, 2007 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Mark your a goober and you no nothing. All you goobers need to realise your dumb and stop posting. I ball everyday and I no the most here bye far. Hope ths helps you all. And I am an anon b/c i am no goober like you goobers. Your all jokes!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | July 27, 2007 1:04 PM | Report abuse

Mark, I see how hurtful the personal attacks you put out there can be. So i want no part of you. Im in the fetal position scared to death right now. I'm done posting I just can't compete with you.

Posted by: jim | July 27, 2007 1:04 PM | Report abuse

still anonymous,I'm not bitter. Didn't you see the smiley face? Ease up, hoss. Got your panties in a bunch? LOL. It's cool...just talking crap cuz Jim did.

Posted by: mark | July 27, 2007 1:05 PM | Report abuse

"Mark your a goober and you no nothing. All you goobers need to realise your dumb and stop posting. I ball everyday and I no the most here bye far. Hope ths helps you all. And I am an anon b/c i am no goober like you goobers. Your all jokes!!!"

That was not me....But jim/most of the anon is me same person. Mark I think you have 0 knowledge and have just quit reading your posts all together.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 27, 2007 1:06 PM | Report abuse

LOL mark you are so funny LOL hahah LOL are we 13 year old girls in here or basketball fans hahahah LOL LOL

Posted by: jim | July 27, 2007 1:08 PM | Report abuse

LOL. ok Jim. Now you're making me laugh. Hey, if you want to tell me I'm an idiot, I'm ok with it. I'm just saying...why are so many people on Etan's janky ? He's not that good.
Like i said, i respect the fact that you put your name out there and i have to respect your opinion of me. we're straight. I'm just mad because anonymous won't give me a name so I can insult him personally.

Posted by: mark | July 27, 2007 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Mark I quit reading youre posts because it is a complete joke so if I reply again its because youre post is a complete joke and NOT because I read it. Stop being a goober and maybe I will read them later.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 27, 2007 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Im not saying etan is good he isn't and you are right about one thing he is a 4 not a 5. But he is better than Haywood and there is no argument anyone in this world can make to change my mind

Posted by: Anonymous | July 27, 2007 1:11 PM | Report abuse

I don't think anyone said Etan was particularly good. The general opinion among the Etan over Haywood crowd is that they both are mediocre, but that Etan is less of a headache to have around.

Posted by: kalorama | July 27, 2007 1:11 PM | Report abuse

there is about 10 different people posting acting like the same person

Posted by: Anonymous | July 27, 2007 1:12 PM | Report abuse

kalorama finally someone understands

Posted by: Anonymous | July 27, 2007 1:14 PM | Report abuse

No i am one person and your all dumb if you cant tell its me since your a goober and i play ball and am not a goober. i forgot to stop reading Marks posts but I will now since he is a waste.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 27, 2007 1:15 PM | Report abuse

man the guy putting up fake posts trying to be me is pretty funny

Posted by: Anonymous | July 27, 2007 1:16 PM | Report abuse

ANON, PLS STOP READING..THIS IS A MARK POST.

My bad, Jim. I said we're straight. Dang ! You want me to send a check? Yes this should be all about the Wiz, not me or you or anyone else. I'm just giving my opinion.

Posted by: mark (goober) | July 27, 2007 1:17 PM | Report abuse

i still like the hot garbage

Posted by: Anonymous | July 27, 2007 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Also not me replying to marks posts

Posted by: Anonymous | July 27, 2007 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Kalorama, I see the benefit of keeping Etan (EJ likes him and he has a better attitude) over BTH. I guess it all depends on which guy you like better. I happen to like the bigger dude.

Posted by: mark (goober) | July 27, 2007 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Why are you guys continuing to argue about Brendan and Etan? There seems to be a consensus that neither of them is a legit. starting NBA center. And we all know that the "5" position (along with lack of defense) is the team's biggest flaw. So, given that situation, HOW will the team improve on the court for the upcoming season?
1. Songaila for a full season instead of half a season.
2. Blatche with 1 more yr. of experience(will that be enough)?
3. Pech, Blatche, McGuire, Young off the bench -- will they really be able to add to what AD and Songaila contribute off the bench?
4. Randy Ayers - will he really help improve the Wiz defense?
5. Will Brendan and Etan put aise their feud for the good of the team?
6. Will EJ and Brendan be able to co-exist?
7. Will AJ, GA and CB be able to stay healthy?

Seems to me these are the big questions?

Posted by: Rockville | July 27, 2007 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Wet garbage + anon for Sun Ming Ming + $100 cash

Posted by: Anonymous | July 27, 2007 1:22 PM | Report abuse

BTW one of those previous posts was not me, either. We have fake Ivans, fake Marks as well as fake anonymouses.
-real Mark

Posted by: mark (goober) | July 27, 2007 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Whcih Anon are we giving up there a few of them?

Posted by: Anonymous | July 27, 2007 1:26 PM | Report abuse

I'm only aware of one borderline retarded anon.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 27, 2007 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Every team has headaches. Most can't afford two of them. I'm fine with moving Etan and his Darko sized contract because like most players, Brendan is better given consistent minutes with consistent responsibilities. Eddie really has trouble with this concept though.

Posted by: JJ | July 27, 2007 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Yo. Can the anonymous poster or posters please start using names so we can tell who is talking?

Plus, why are the posts getting so personal? Folks are just in here talking basketball and the Wizards. Don't assume nobody goes out and get "runs" just because they are on this blog "talking" basketball.

This is just a little blog for Wizard fans to talk Wizard basketball. There is no need for calling people out just because they do not agree with you. That is what you call a discussion, not a arguement. That is what blogs are. The Etan and Haywood subject always starts up heated arguements on this blog.

It is nothing new about this subject, but we never tried to get so personal with it. Also everyone who made a statement posted a name. If you have a statement, please give a name because there are now about 3 to 4 unknown posters talking and I can not tell who is talking. Thanks.............

Posted by: Bullets Fever | July 27, 2007 1:31 PM | Report abuse

wet garbage

Posted by: Anonymous | July 27, 2007 1:33 PM | Report abuse

i think you fixed everything bullets fever

Posted by: Anonymous | July 27, 2007 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Bullets Fever i dont no what youre problem is but anyone who thinks Hawywood belongs is a complete joke. lick i said I am anon b/c im not a goober like you.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 27, 2007 1:37 PM | Report abuse

don't you guys realize all anon is trying to do is piss everyone off. Ignore him even though I do agree Etan is better than haywood but neither is too good. haywood just causes to many problems

Posted by: beas13 | July 27, 2007 1:39 PM | Report abuse

good point, rockville.
we may be stuck with both of them. I guess a lot of people seem to think that they can't coexist and that's why we debate one or the other. I think that as long as they are cashing their checks, they have to coexist. the problem as i see it is that EJ used Etan to try to motivate Haywood and it backfired.

Posted by: mark (goober) | July 27, 2007 1:43 PM | Report abuse

JCN's agent just said that talks are continuing with the Heat, and that they are a strong possibility. Ivan any updates, are they willing to take etan's contract? Whats going on?

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/47355/20070727/miami_and_washington_still_talking_navarro/

Posted by: Ben | July 27, 2007 1:46 PM | Report abuse

im knot tyin to pizz peoples off. hawywood sux. i play bawl so i no. your all goblers.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 27, 2007 1:47 PM | Report abuse

I'm with you , Bullets Fever. I had to change my name so people would know who was who. I actually like the new name so I'll keep it. Let's talk Wizards only.
So, what happens if we do nothing? I'm ok with the team we have now since we have depth. This time last year we were talking about Songaila being the first big off the bench. Now we have Blatche, McGuire, Pecherov who can all contribute. We might be better off already. Now if we can just get EJ to throw Wes's substitution pattern in the trash... AT least it looks like Charles (Secret Weapon) Jones aka. Michael Ruffin won't be getting any more playing time. That's an improvement in itself.

Posted by: mark (goober) | July 27, 2007 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Hot garbage

Posted by: mark (goober) | July 27, 2007 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Mark, was Blatche finally signed?

Posted by: not anon | July 27, 2007 1:52 PM | Report abuse

mark (goober) i thought we were talking basketball now

Posted by: Anonymous | July 27, 2007 1:53 PM | Report abuse

"the problem as i see it is that EJ used Etan to try to motivate Haywood and it backfired."

Actually, it worked pretty well for a while. Etan started the season in the starting lineup playing very well, then got hurt. When Haywood first took his place as a starter, he came out playing with more energy and life than he'd ever displayed before. The problem was that it didn't last. He did just enough to get people talking about him and to think he'd made his point to Jordan. Then he took his foot off the gas and started coasting again. Even after Etan came back and Eddie kept Haywood as the starter (despite his obvious preference for Etan) as a reward for Haywood's initial good play, it didn't matter. Brendan did what he had to do to fulfill his agenda and that was all he cared about.

Posted by: kalorama | July 27, 2007 1:55 PM | Report abuse

I just don't get dealing with a rival unless we get more than picks. I can see them getting worse, though. I bet their pick is in the lottery after next year.

Posted by: mark (goober) | July 27, 2007 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Grunfeld better not let JCN go back to europe without doing something with him. if he does we are going to lose him forever. Anyone think bltach will sign an offer sheet from another team?

Posted by: not the anon everyone hates | July 27, 2007 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Ezkerik,
Great argument: we should be afraid of trading JCN + Etan to the heat because the Poet will play career games against us. Whats his career game? 11 pts and 13 rebs? The horror! I think I should go get some clean underwear.

Posted by: Emmet | July 27, 2007 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Kalorama, you're right. I remember when Haywood came out and played hard. I remember when we went on that streak, it was with BTH in the starting lineup. And of course I remember Etan getting hurt because it happens to me every year like Bullets Fever. So what do we do? Where's Peter John Ramos when you need him ?

Posted by: mark (goober) | July 27, 2007 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Etan has had better games then that. i have seen them with my own eyes from my 3rd row seats.

Posted by: Mark (goober) | July 27, 2007 2:01 PM | Report abuse

You guys should just trust me. I see more from my 3rd row seats than you guys could ever see at home. Maybe if you guys get 3rd row seats you will know as much as I do about the wizards.

Posted by: Mark (goober) | July 27, 2007 2:04 PM | Report abuse

great, finally a new post and all we get is an anonymous Flamer.

Posted by: Stringer | July 27, 2007 2:04 PM | Report abuse

The idea behind impersonating a poster is that you take their viewpoint and state it in a satirical way. You're stating the opposite of Mark's opinion. Nice try though, stupid anon.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 27, 2007 2:05 PM | Report abuse

calling people flamers isn't very nice. i thought we decided the personal attacks were over.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 27, 2007 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Etan!!!!Etan!!!!Etan!!!! I love Etan

Posted by: Mark (goober) | July 27, 2007 2:10 PM | Report abuse

I want to be a poet just like Etan

Posted by: Mark (goober) | July 27, 2007 2:12 PM | Report abuse

I actually read poetry all game long from my wonderful 3rd row seats

Posted by: Mark (goober) | July 27, 2007 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Man anon ruined this board today.

Posted by: Not the anon everyone hates | July 27, 2007 2:17 PM | Report abuse

I don't think that the Haywood/Etan argument is the huge issue that some make it out to be. I think the fact that we have shopped both of them this offseason says that neither of them are of huge importance to the franchise.
Even if we trade Etan, that's not necessarily an endorsement of Haywood as the starter, just the first step in clearing house at the center position. Maybe the Wizards are planning on a complete overhaul by next offseason and hanging onto Haywood and Booth as a patch for this season only.

Posted by: Emmet | July 27, 2007 2:17 PM | Report abuse

He Hate Me/good anon, I don't see anybody giving a full midlevel exception to a guy who hasn't really played all that much. I hope this means he's staynig. Maybe it's a good thing that EJ didn't play him much after all.

Posted by: mark (goober) | July 27, 2007 2:18 PM | Report abuse

How much did Blatche play last year b/c i can't make that out from my tv at home. How many minutes did he get from your 3rd seats?

Posted by: mark (goober) | July 27, 2007 2:21 PM | Report abuse

I can't ever see anything on my tv at home i wish i had 3rd row seats like Mark. he is so cool

Posted by: Anonymous | July 27, 2007 2:23 PM | Report abuse

my point earlier wasn't that Etan was the worst of the 2 centers and needed to go. it's obvious that grunfeld likes haywood if more for his contract, age and the team's record when he was in the starting line-up during that nov - dec run last season. EG also knows that at least 2/3 of the core of the team, gil and antawn both are more comfortable with heywood as the starter. then factor in the fact that they both don't get along and etan has a contract that they will be crippled by if its on the books next summer when gil opts out and antawn is up for renewal. despite what EJ feels about BTH personally, EG can make them work together. that's why they want to re-sign Calvin 'John Wilkes' Boothe.

Posted by: G$ | July 27, 2007 2:28 PM | Report abuse

FYI: These recent posts about trust me and poetry are not from the real Mark. He Hate me/real anon is right about the guy ruining the blog today. As long as we just talk Wiz and not respond to the other stuff, he'll eventually get bored and leave. It's probably the same guy who's been posting stupid trades over the last few weeks.

Posted by: mark | July 27, 2007 2:28 PM | Report abuse

JNC and The Poet for Udonis Haslem and a throwaway player to match salaries (Dorrell Wright maybe?)... and get rid of EJ. he's not the right coach for our team!!

Posted by: yeah ZERO!!! | July 27, 2007 2:35 PM | Report abuse

How did we start talking about the centers anyway? The only thing we need from that position is defense and rebounding and neither guy gives us a whole lot of that. Unless other guys start playing D, it really probably won't matter who is at the 5.

Posted by: mark | July 27, 2007 2:35 PM | Report abuse

I havnt posted any stupid trades I have just enjoyed bothering you guys today. 1st timer

Posted by: Anonymous | July 27, 2007 2:35 PM | Report abuse

oh now it doesnt matter mark

Posted by: Anonymous | July 27, 2007 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Haywood looks so much better than Etan from my 3rd row seats. that is all I have to say

Posted by: Mark (goober) | July 27, 2007 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Thomas contract, while inflated, is hardly "crippling." Over the life of their deals, Thomas averages about $1 mill/yr. more than Brendan. He made about $1.3 mill more than Haywood this season. And their contracts both end at the same time.

For what little they provide, both guys are clearly overpaid.

Posted by: kalorama | July 27, 2007 2:44 PM | Report abuse

I think I overpaid for my 3rd row seats

Posted by: Mark (goober) | July 27, 2007 2:59 PM | Report abuse

I'm so tired of hearing about Mark and his 3rd row seats.

Posted by: timmy | July 27, 2007 3:04 PM | Report abuse

anon and mark ruined the entire board today

Posted by: timmy | July 27, 2007 3:06 PM | Report abuse

yeah Zero,

I would love to get Dorell Wright, but Miami is very high on his upside and thus won't include him in a trade package for ET and Navarro. It seems as though ditching ET's contract for anything at all is becoming less and less likely, if it ever was possible in the first place. Too bad.

Posted by: Grievous | July 27, 2007 3:09 PM | Report abuse

Two misconceptions in this article that are routinely perpetuated by NBA sportswriters around the country:

1) "Miami wants him badly but has offered a late first round pick (from what I've heard). Now ask yourself a question: why would Ernie help a division rival like that? Answer: he wouldn't."

Actually, trades between conference and even division rivals happen on a regular basis in the NBA. Go to some website that has a list of all trades over the past, oh, five years or so, and see for yourselves. If the best offer that Washington receives for the rights to Navarro is what figures to be a low first round pick from Miami, then Washington will accept that offer. The reason that offer has not been accepted should be obvious: Washington hopes to receive more for Navarro and, as has been accurately reported, would like to package an unwanted contract (presumably either Etan Thomas or Antonio Daniels) with Navarro and get back expiring contracts somehow. If no team is willing to make this deal--and we'll find out soon enough, as the deadline seems legit--then Washington will explore other options.

2) "The Juan Carlos Navarro situation really comes down to this: Ernie Grunfeld doesn't have to do a darn thing with the guy."

Actually, you never want to lose players or assets with no compensation, so doing nothing is a non-option. If Washington's best offer for Navarro ends up being a low second round pick, they'll take it, because that's better than receiving nothing at all for the guy. As has been accurately reported, if he signs another longterm deal overseas, he's never going to come to the NBA, so the time to get something for him is now.

My suggested trade is a three-way: Brendan Haywood to the Bobcats for a second round pick (Charlotte still has a ton of cap space and MJ loves his former Tar Heels); Navarro's rights to the Sonics; and Chris Wilcox (totally unnecessary in SEA, since Durant will play PF, not SF, as everyone will find out soon enough) to the Wizards. Jordan upgrades his team's frontcourt while giving up nothing of any real value, the Sonics acquire their starting SG for the next five years or so (Jeff Green is a SF, Delonte West is a nice player but is best utilized as a combo guard coming off the bench, and Wally World will not touch the floor for the Sonics; and, since Durant will play PF, the Sonics have plenty of guys to play C, e.g., Collison, Petro, Sene, Swift), and the Wiz get the frontcourt scorer that they've lacked during the Arenas era. The Wiz can play Wilcox at C, can re-sign Jamison for relatively cheap next summer (nobody will offer him more than the mid-level) and play him at PF, Butler is your SF, Etan Thomas and Andray Blatch provide frontcourt depth, DeShawn Stevenson and Antonio Daniels provide perimeter depth, and all Washington needs is to find a suitable guard to pair with Arenas in the starting lineup.

Posted by: Robbie (Olympia, WA) | July 27, 2007 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Haywood the best defensive Center in the East.

What a freakin joke. WHO ever mentioned should have their blogger pass revoked.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/recap?gid=2007013128

Haywood looked losted trying to check Bosh as he went on to make 15 straight shots after missing he first four shots.

He was used, abused and tossed to the side by Bosh. He made Haywood look like what he truely is, A CHUMP WITH ZERO HEART.

Posted by: pg posse | July 27, 2007 3:43 PM | Report abuse

Good job pf posse. You successfully refuted an argument that nobody here made. Maybe next you can come up with some evidence against the argument that Haywood is the greatest center of all time.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 27, 2007 3:47 PM | Report abuse

man, i don't get haywood
me and my dad always come to the same conclusion when talking about him
for about 20 games every year, he gets like 15 and 10 and we are like "come on, why can't he be like this all the time?" because the next 20 games he gets a couple DNP-CD and 4 5 and 3 turnovers for stats.

Posted by: TDAV | July 27, 2007 3:48 PM | Report abuse

how do the wizards trade 4ish mil out and take back Wilcox's 8 Mil? It doesn't work.

Robbie, they don't lose the asset by not moving him. You're taking everything from his team and his agent as gospel when the truth is the last thing on their minds. they are saying what needs to be said to get the guy moved. Why? Because Navarro wants to come to the NBA! He got out of the huge buyout pretty easily this summer. If the Wizards move his rights before the deadline or early next offseason there is no reason to believe he couldn't get out again (except Barca's Blutonian posturing).

While I'm sure there are intra-divisional trades at times this isn't like bottom feeders swapping reserves with similar contracts. These are the top 2 teams in the division, one a year removed from winning the NBA championship. Miami has begun to slide. They desperately need outside shooting and guard play from their bench. The alternatives to Navarro are straight from the NBA scrap heap. This is not the time to throw them a lifeline that answers needs and comes at an cheap price (relatively). Yeah, lets give them exactly what they need and at a discount too!

While some prefer to paint Navarro as unproven the fact remains that he has proven plenty in the Spanish league and playing for their national team. Semantics doesn't change that.

Posted by: Monte | July 27, 2007 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Semantics has nothing to do with it. He, like every other rookie-to-be, hasn't proven anything in the NBA. He was a mid-second round pick, but you'd get the impression he was a lottery pick the way people are talking about what a difference he'd make.

Posted by: kalorama | July 27, 2007 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Monte, you get the feeling some people in here paid sticker price for their last car too.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 27, 2007 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Wait, who's hot garbage and who's wet garbage? I can't vote or give my opinion if I don't know which garbage is which...

Posted by: Anonymous | July 27, 2007 5:02 PM | Report abuse

So you've chosen to respond to those who distort his ability toward the positive by playing the same game in the other direction.

Linking his draft position to his ability is an error, now officially an oft repeated one.

He was drafted where he was (in 2002) because people knew he'd be hard to get out of Europe for awhile. There is no doubt that he is a top Intl player and one of the best from one of the top leagues in Europe. Yes he'll be a rookie. Unlike 95% of other rookies he comes with a decade of professional experience.

Posted by: Monte | July 27, 2007 5:06 PM | Report abuse

If Ernie has his way
Miami through the nose will pay
or JCN will stay
in Barcelon-ay.

NOW WHY CAN'T THE DUDE JUST GET RID OF B-HAY?

Posted by: Poet | July 27, 2007 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Well said, Monte.

Posted by: Joe | July 27, 2007 5:27 PM | Report abuse

Miami traded for Smush Parker, so it's no longer in the JCN hunt. I, for one, am very glad Grunfeld held firm!!

Posted by: Sean | July 27, 2007 5:30 PM | Report abuse

Sorry -- signed Parker, not traded for him.

Posted by: Sean | July 27, 2007 5:32 PM | Report abuse

sean, when did they sign parker??

and i know this sounds crazy, but would anyone consider this trade
dwight howard
2nd round pick
tony battie

for

1st round pick
gilbert arenas
??????????????


gilbert is my favorite player but i dont think the wizards are gonna win any championships w/out a great bigman
guards are easier to come by

our starting five:
antonio daniels
deshawn stevenson
caron butler
antawn jamison
dwight howard

backups
JCN (we would have cap space to sign him if we lost glberts big contract)
nick young
mcguire
blatch
pech/haywood/thomas

Posted by: TDAV | July 27, 2007 5:45 PM | Report abuse

sean, when did they sign parker??

and i know this sounds crazy, but would anyone consider this trade
dwight howard
2nd round pick
tony battie

for

1st round pick
gilbert arenas
??????????????


gilbert is my favorite player but i dont think the wizards are gonna win any championships w/out a great bigman
guards are easier to come by

our starting five:
antonio daniels
deshawn stevenson
caron butler
antawn jamison
dwight howard

backups
JCN (we would have cap space to sign him if we lost glberts big contract)
nick young
mcguire
blatch
pech/haywood/thomas

Posted by: TDAV | July 27, 2007 5:45 PM | Report abuse

sean, when did they sign parker??

and i know this sounds crazy, but would anyone consider this trade
dwight howard
2nd round pick
tony battie

for

1st round pick
gilbert arenas
??????????????


gilbert is my favorite player but i dont think the wizards are gonna win any championships w/out a great bigman
guards are easier to come by

our starting five:
antonio daniels
deshawn stevenson
caron butler
antawn jamison
dwight howard

backups
JCN (we would have cap space to sign him if we lost glberts big contract)
nick young
mcguire
blatch
pech/haywood/thomas

Posted by: TDAV | July 27, 2007 5:45 PM | Report abuse

Fabricio Oberto was a top international player with a decade of experience. He's a 20 mpg role player for the Spurs. Sarunas Jasikevicius was a top international player with a decade of experience. He was a 15 mpg role player for the Pacers and a towel boy for the Warriors.

The style of basketball played in the international/Euro leagues is very different from the style of ball played in the NBA. Experience in one arena does not necessarily count for much in the other one (as proven by Team USA's ongoing international struggles, despite fielding teams filled with all-stars and future HOFers).

Like credits from an offshore college that aren't recognized by the Ivy League, Navarro's experience in Europe does not automatically carry over in determining his readiness to play in the NBA.


Posted by: kalorama | July 27, 2007 6:52 PM | Report abuse

"and i know this sounds crazy, but would anyone consider this trade

dwight howard
2nd round pick
tony battie

for

1st round pick
gilbert arenas"


Nobody who works for the Orlando Magic.

Posted by: kalorama | July 27, 2007 6:56 PM | Report abuse

Monte, I guess you missed the fact that I said EG could and should trade JCN to other teams besides the Heat or any other division rival. Don't be dumb Monte.

Now deal with this: Even without JCN, Les Heat beat Les BouleS last year with an injured Shaq and DWade 3 out of 4 times. Les Heat have some crazy streak like 16 out of 17 game win streak on Les BouleS.

As the Cameron Crazies always chant "Not Our Rival...." Les BouleS aren't good enough to be Les Heat's rival.

Now go play with that.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 27, 2007 7:07 PM | Report abuse

Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe that the Wizards have been more successful last season with Haywood as the starter than with Thomas. That's the bottom line. Before last season Haywood was one of the league's top shot blockers. Hawood's main problem is EJ who makes him compete for a starting position that should be his.

Posted by: browneri | July 27, 2007 9:53 PM | Report abuse

Why are we wasting our blog time on Big Sloppy and The Poet. Neither one of them can play! And Why does every one thinks McGuire and Petro aka " The Hump Back of Notre Dame" can play.

AB average 28 & 12 in summer league and could barely get off the bench last year. It took serious injuries to AJ and Caron before he could get some serious time.AB was almost put on the deactive list for the remainder of the year after the allstar break. With the injuries piling up "slow" eddie was forced to play him. Then AB started to sizzle on the final west coast swing. Then he got hurt at the clip joint with the deep knee bruise and that pretty much end his year.By that time management had seen enough. They knew to much exposure would cost them out the " jang jang" came negotiation time. So they decided to hide him for the rest of the regular season and post season. He (eddie) was forced to play him in the final game in the playoffs against the cavs because he (eddie) was filling some "heat".

Even when Gil aka 'jordan' got injured, all hell broke loose because slow jo did a bad job of developing his bench during the early part of the regular season. So he ends the regular season and starts the post season playing guys who didn't have a lot playing time and were uncomfortable in playing their new roles.

Eddie has repeatedly stated "he doesn't like to play rookies". He was horrific in managing minutes last year. He played the starters until they broke down. His offense is nothing more than GA firing up numerous shots anywere and anytime. He doesn't teach team defence. There is hardly any weakside help defensively.

So tell me! Do you really believe the wiz dogs are going to be any better than last year with basically the same team, head coach and assistants? I DON'T!

Posted by: TheGodfather | July 28, 2007 1:04 AM | Report abuse

Is there any chance JCN would take a 1-year deal with the Wiz for what's left of the MLE? If there are no big offers coming in, the Wiz can say with a straight face that $1.8M is the best he's going to get.

(From JCN point of view, it's a bit bleak but not all bad. Miami looks to be out of the bidding now. The relative silence from the other teams may mean that they're gun shy about giving up a #1 and/or cap relief, plus $16M in salary for a euro guard with no NBA experience (cough cough !JASIKEVICUS! cough cough). Given that, it would make some sense to take a 1-year deal and hope for a big payoff in year 2.)

Posted by: mik_smith1 | July 28, 2007 1:53 AM | Report abuse

JNC? How dose it fele to be dylsexic, CI?

Posted by: alfred alfredsson, IV. | July 28, 2007 4:28 AM | Report abuse

JCN might take a 1 year deal if he becomes an unrestricted FA right after that, but I don't even know if it's possible. Even still, I think the big hangup is that Abe does not want to pay anyone any stinkin' compensation.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 28, 2007 8:36 AM | Report abuse

I agree with the Godfather's review of last season, especially with regard to AB, since it parallels my views, but I do think Les BouleS will be better this upcoming season b/c DSong will be healthier (cross your fingers), and the bench is a bit deeper with DMac and Nick. Big issue going into the season is they still have not solidified what the deal is with the 5. I thought Les BouleS would be more aggressive in addressing this problem, and apparently EG does not give a crap that EJ does not like or want BTH on the team.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 28, 2007 8:39 AM | Report abuse

Any fan who is serious about wanting a title in the foreseeable future should agree with the posts here regarding the lack of a true 5. Haywood is a decent backup center. Thomas is a decent backup PF. Neither would ever start on a championship contender. At any position. Period.

What could Grunfeld have done to bring a starting big man and a real point guard to DC? Easy. He could have passed on Stevenson and traded Gilbert while he still has value. Butler is the only championship-caliber player on the team. But that's never going to happen, not with Pollin still in charge. It was Pollin who insisted on Thomas' contract--Grunfeld was more than happy to let him go to Milwaukee. And it's also Pollin who believes that Jordan is an actual NBA coach--anyone who knew anything about the NBA could see that Byron Scott was the real reason for the Nets' success. As he proved again with the Hornets, who were basically an IBDL franchise when he took over.

Basically about 90% of the complaints about the Wizards on this blog are really about Pollin and his cosmically bad personnel decisions, most of which are made on a personal basis. But pro sports ownership is pretty much the last bastion of feudalism--if you're a peasant and you care (like me), you're gonna suffer. And when ownership is corporate like with the Knicks or collective like with the Hawks, things don't get much better. The Wizards, as they are currently constituted, will never win even the Eastern Conference championship. Maybe things will get better if/when Leonisis inherits the team. But looking at the Caps--probably not.

Posted by: KTV | July 28, 2007 11:18 AM | Report abuse

KTV, I agree with that you said because it basically parallels my opinions. It's nice to hear someone else besides the wizards employees always on this blog with their rah rah chants and/or the wizard players hanger ons/groupies/star struck fans that love to prop up their heroes.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 28, 2007 4:32 PM | Report abuse

DCMan88--thanks for your kind words.

I don't mean to sound too harsh in my criticisms: Pollin, as many people here have pointed out, paid for the Verizon Center with his own money, and I'm one of those dinosaurs who sees his personal loyalty to Wes Unseld as a good, not a bad thing. I was here the day Unseld was signed, and he was a class act from day one. He was also unfairly maligned as a coach, considering the players he had to work with--but he was a poor GM, partly because of Pollin's gut reactions to things like Webber's pot-smoking. This unrealistic moral mindset also led to the weird renaming of the team, yet another blow from which they've never recovered, IMHO; 'Wizards' is a name that means nothing to nobody, and is disposable as the sports-team loyalties of guys who work in a new city every year. It's no surprise that it hasn't caught on any more than the equally meaningless 'Mystics'. While we're on the subject, there are still people in Baltimore who despise Pollin for his shabby treatment of that city. So--there's good and bad.

Bottom line is what was said by somebody else here--the Wizards franchise is a big-market team that acts like a small-market one, but without the common-sense and emphasis on excellence of a San Antonio or even a Utah. That can only happen when an owner hires outstandingly competent management--and then sits back and leaves them alone.

Posted by: KTV | July 28, 2007 9:00 PM | Report abuse

Abe is clearly an old school owner who should leave the important decisions to the people who know basketball and just sign the checks. I hope nobody comes on and says Danny Snyder signs all checks too and look where the skins are. Big difference is that Grunfeld is a great GM hamstrung by a tightwad owner, while Snyder does not have a real GM.

Getting back to my point, Abe has been involved way too much. From a dumb decision to hire Gar Heard to a PR decision to bring MJ onboard both as a player and as a supposed owner/operations guy and now to selecting and extending a coach that is not the GM's selection.

EJ has said many times how he wishes this team could do more, but knows that they are on a tight budget. EG wasted his time watching JCN games, and now that JCN is handed to Les BouleS in a silver platter for a couple mil buyout, EG is probably told by Abe that he ain't payin' no stinkin' compensation.

That's why there's no way Les BouleS would let Gilby leave even if it's a good decision because Abe would rather keep a player who doesn't play D and doesn't directly make his teammates better, but does keep the starstruck fans interested in the team. Abe is an owner who's content with status quo.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 29, 2007 12:41 AM | Report abuse

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