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Introducing D McGuire

If you saw the game between the summer Wiz and summer Pistons tonight you already know that the bronze and blue may have themselves a little something, something in second-round pick Dominic McGuire. He backed up his strong effort in yesterday's loss to Sacramento with another one tonight. The final line: 12 points on four of eight shooting with six rebounds and three assists and one turnover in 30 minutes.

The cool part was that McGuire showed a little bit of everything: he swooped in, timed his jump perfectly and swatted an Aaron Afflalo shot off the backboard. He drove and scored with a nice little swopping finger roll. He spotted up and drained a three-pointer on a fastbreak. PG Aaron Miles summed it up perfectly when I asked him for a take on McGuire: "He's got that gansta' game."

Almost nearly as impressive were the efforts turned in by Nick Young (20 points on 8 of 16 shooting) and Mike Hall (12 points on four of six shooting in only 16 minutes). Young looked far more comfortable than yesterday when he appeared to be in a hurry. He also showed some serious hops with a couple of spectacular dunks. I know this, the crowd here loves the kid. There was a buzz in the building whenever he caught the ball. Hall has played well in both games and he needs to. With Caron Butler manning one SF spot and McGuire all but assured of another, Mike is going to have to bring it and so far he is. He's clearly worked hard since the summer ended.

I also thought that Aaron Miles ran the team well. He got some good shots for folks, didn't turn the ball over and generally played a solid point guard. There may be an opening for a player like him because Donell Taylor may not be brought back.

Now for the bad news. For the second straight day, the fellas were blasted in the fourth quarter. Missed layups. Turnovers. Defensive breakdowns that turned into easy buckets. Jason Maxiell was a beast for the Pistons and Afflalo repeatedly got to the free throw line. For the second straight game, Oleksiy Pecherov missed some open shots and generally looked liked a step slower than the competition. He finished with 12 points on five of 11 shooting with seven rebounds but had four turnovers and was beaten for a few rebounds he probably should have grabbed.

It's way too early to draw any major conclusions but so far, it looks like Young and McGuire are going to give Eddie some nice athleticism off that bench.

-Nothing really new to update on the Stevenson negotiations. It appears that both sides are going to sit back and wait it out. I'm starting to wonder whether Ernie plans on making a run at Devin Brown. Word is that he's not going back to New Orleans and he's talking with several teams.

-I haven't really had much to say about Andray's situation because nothing has changed. He's a restricted free agent and the entire league understands that Ernie will likely match any reasonable offer. Also, it's not as though anyone really has the cap space to throw a big contract his way. Charlotte just gave noted Wiz killer Gerald Wallace huge money. Orlando dumped a max deal on Rashard Lewis. Memphis gave Darko a big contract. Milwaukee has money but plans on signing Mo Williams and possibly Charlie Bell.
Now, some team could be laying out there in the weeds getting ready to throw an offer sheet Andray's way but if that's the case, I haven't heard about it (and I've spoken with beat writers from just about every team in the league this week.)

-I'm hearing that Dwayne Casey may not be the next Wiz assistant coach. He may be headed to Cleveland to fill the spot vacated by Kenny Natt, who took a job in Sacramento.

By Ivan Carter  |  July 11, 2007; 9:50 PM ET
 
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Comments

Welcome DMac, buh bye DS.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 11, 2007 10:28 PM | Report abuse

Ahhhh yeah 2nd post.

Dmac is fer real.
-g

Posted by: greg | July 11, 2007 10:32 PM | Report abuse

Now we see why McGuire was the second pick and not Arron Gray or Visser.

Wouldn't mine seeing Miles at 3rd pg spot. Taylor never seemed comfortable running the team.

Posted by: pg posse | July 11, 2007 10:32 PM | Report abuse

Looks like the wiz are getting better at every position except Center. I'll bet both Haywood and Etan are back next year splitting tme with Ruffin.

Is there any other option out there? OPEC looks a long way off.

Posted by: Cballer | July 11, 2007 10:39 PM | Report abuse

Damn, no JCN update.

Posted by: Wizzy | July 11, 2007 10:49 PM | Report abuse

Can anybody think of a more exciting summer in professional basketball in Washington DC. (im only 24 so I can only got back so far) We actually feel like we have a chance. Please EJ lets get the bench in there for some decent minutes but keep that butt kissing pretend center on the bench. **In Ernie we Trust**

Posted by: Outoftwnfan | July 11, 2007 10:50 PM | Report abuse

i really liked the way aaron miles played today as well. he seemed to have everything under control and controled the game at his pace. he reminds me of A.D. a little bit. and im expecting Pesh to go off next game. he has a day off and being the gym rat he is he should take advantage of the day off and will make some shots against houston friday. and D-MAC! this guy seriously has some game. hes been doin it all. his game sorta reminds me of boris diaw's. again ernie seems to surprise us with his second round picks. LETS GO WIZ.

WIZARDS 4 LYF!

Posted by: the biggest wizards fan in the world! period. | July 11, 2007 10:51 PM | Report abuse

Devin Brown is a decent baller...if we could swing it, I'd definitely rather sign him for cheap and keep JCN than overpay DS. See ya homey.

Ernie is smart to wait and see how the other cards fall.

Damn...is a Wizards assistant job bad? Do contract proceedings with the currents make candidates take a step back?

Visser needs to pack his bags for Bulgaria.

Posted by: k-dub | July 11, 2007 10:51 PM | Report abuse

I'm still not worried about Pesh. He has only played in two exhibition games. Even Summer League is more physical than Euro games. He is getting used to a new type of basketball. I think he will be a solid contributor this year.

Posted by: CurtisLee | July 11, 2007 11:00 PM | Report abuse

Ivan - I really think your feel and knowledge of the game bring great insight into the summer league games. Fans appreciate it. I get the feeling you wanna run with these guys, don't ya? Don't ya?

Best Wiz/Bullets coverage since D.A.

I'm for JCN staying and shooting all he wants. Is he a Don Collins kind'a 2 (anyone remember the VERY good Don Collins?) or a Kevin Grevey kind'a 2?

Trade Haywood if Etan cannot be moved.

Posted by: Shotgun | July 11, 2007 11:06 PM | Report abuse

CurtisLee, Pesh played all SL last year too, so these aren't his first 2 games. Raw is one thing, lack of intensity and getting pushed around is discouraging. Again, I hope his "injury" is slowing him down and not letting us see his true self.

Posted by: Wizzin' By Ya | July 11, 2007 11:11 PM | Report abuse

(anyone remember the VERY good Don Collins?) or a Kevin Grevey kind'a 2?

Hmmmmmm remember this guy named Jeff Malone.

Posted by: pg posse | July 11, 2007 11:14 PM | Report abuse

After watching yesterday and tonight it apppears that:

Mcguire: Will add some much-needed toughness. We can send Ruffin packing, as Mcguire has Ruffin's tenacity and defensive game, but more fluid body control, better speed, far superior hops, and the semblance of an offensive game. A killer instinct, too... he won't throw the ball away to the other team in the final seconds like good guy Ruffin. Too bad he's 6'8 and not 6'10, as he has the mentality and game of a power forward.

Young: Can score, which will help the bench. He's already an improvement over 3-year-pro Jarvis (though weaker defensively). Fun to watch, though he did throw up some absurd shots (what were that 360, no-look over the shoulder layup and pump-fake 3-pointer all about?). He also appears timid on defense and downright frightened of contact (complaining and exaggerating injury whenever he gets any). Still, he and Mcguire infuse some much-needed athleticism into the Wizards.

Pecherov: Dig his effort, but with the upper body of Montgomery Burns, not sure he'll ever be an NBA starter. He is simply not anatomically & proportionally balanced enough to cope with the Atlases of the NBA. He hunches, which loses him an inch or two of height (notice how small his court presence is despite being 7 foot), has weak arms, which hurts him when fighting for position, rebounding and holding onto the ball down low, and has little speed. He may heart and effort himself a place on the team (deep on the bench), and has an OK shot, but it's looking like Grunfeld blew last year's 1st.

Visser: Sloppy and slow, but oddly assertive. Worth a longer look, considering our center woes.

Hall: NBA-caliber all around, good at many things, but no special gifts which make him absolutely essential.

Posted by: KGrevey | July 11, 2007 11:24 PM | Report abuse

Ivan,

Good update today, but here are the holes in your reporting I'm hoping you can fill.

1. What kind of minutes do you see AB, Songalia, and Pecherov getting? Seems like AB and Songalia will get 15-18 minutes in the rotation whereas Pecherov will likely get only spot minutes unless Etan is traded.

2. How good of a defender is Devon Brown?

3. Wouldn't AB get the second SF slot instead of DMac? I'm not sure whether Eddie sees AB as more a PF or a SF.

Posted by: KSM | July 11, 2007 11:27 PM | Report abuse

Interesting. Fourth-quarter break downs. Defensive lapses. Missed bunnies. The summer league team is a duplicate of the normal Wizards teams. Good to know nothing changes.

Posted by: Colin | July 11, 2007 11:28 PM | Report abuse

Can we PLEASE not make sweeping judgements after two summer league games? "it's looking like Grunfeld blew last year's 1st." - are you insane? Pech hasn't played *one minute* in a real NBA game, and you're burying him? Get a grip, folks.

Posted by: Keithinator | July 12, 2007 12:06 AM | Report abuse

Watched the summer game and doc linkin, wherever you are, Dominic McGuire is fan bleepin tastic! He is absolutely tremendous on the defensive end and can make some plays on offense. And man do I love to see Nick Young flying to the basket to send it in! Deshawn who?

Posted by: George Templeton | July 12, 2007 12:17 AM | Report abuse

There is no reason to start getting down on Pech. This is a guy that has spent the last year playing in Ukraine. The European leagues are simply not as physical, and it is something he has to get used to. He did fine last year in the summer league, and by watching him you can tell that he has some talent, to the point you can see some Nowitski like talent, but it is going to take a little time. I agree he needs to be more assertive. Just give him a little time
Overall I am pretty excited in the prospect of the Wizards having 3 young talented players in Young, McGuire, and Pech. I think they are going to be fun to watch. And if they add JCN (which I would rather they do instead of DS), that will give them 4. Now just what to do at the center spot?

Posted by: RayRay | July 12, 2007 1:41 AM | Report abuse

This is the same summer league where Marcus Banks dropped in 42 points. Let's calm down about a 12 point outburst from a dude that will make 0 impact beyond being a practice player.

The Wizards making 0 effort to acquire a big man and rely upon Oleg Tektarov is one of the greatest acts of irresponsibility perpetrated against a fan base. In walk years for Jamison and probably Arenas, we are in the midst of watching the window of opportunity close all around us and we are supposed to be thrilled with McGuire's 12 and 6? He will be in the long line of marginal NBA players that make their rent every month on 10 day contracts like Anthony Goldwire, Awvee Storey, and/or Damone Brown. Even if he's not, if he's the next great success story, the fact we went after another swingman who won't get many minutes this year doesn't sit well with me.

The point of all this is to win a championship. What move have we made that makes any of you think we are 1 step closer than the ludicrous "50 wins and Eastern Conference Champs" from a season ago. Lebron James and Dwayne Wade are still in the East. Other teams are getting better and we are (Boston now has Ray Allen and Pierce, Orlando has Rashard Lewis and Howard etc.) 6th seed or bust.

Posted by: Bernard King | July 12, 2007 2:02 AM | Report abuse

Bernard King is right. The window is not Gilbert's age. It is Gilbert's willingness to tolerate a losing team.

From IC's blog entry: "For the second straight game, Oleksiy Pecherov missed some open shots and generally looked liked a step slower than the competition. He finished with 12 points on five of 11 shooting with seven rebounds but had four turnovers and was beaten for a few rebounds he probably should have grabbed."

Wait, wasn't this the gym rat everyone loved?

Make excuses all you want but here are a few of the players were drafted after Oly - Farmar, Rodriguez, Milsap, Gibson, Augustine. They've already produced. Another year, another first round pick wasted.

Franchises waste away if they don't a) draft well and b) build on the draft with activity in the veteran market. The Wizards are in the early stages of their latest stage of atrophy.

Of course, after this post, they'll get 60 wins/2nd seed next year, Oly will get co-Rook of the Year, and award he'll doubtless share with Young and McGuire in an unprecedented three-way split, and the Post will publish this comment as an example of the ungrateful and impatient Washington fans.

That's how it goes when you love this shi**y team.

They won't even let you hate them properly.

Go Wiz.

Posted by: Spork | July 12, 2007 3:19 AM | Report abuse

Ps -- About Awvee Storey being a nice guy. Isn't he the guy who cold-cocked a teammate on the Dakota Wizards and sent him to ICU. The guy woke up a few days later, said "Damn, I got cold-cocked by a marginal NBA player."

Is Ivan afraid of him? Is that why he called him a nice guy? Don't worry IC, tell the truth. Oxon Hill got your back.

Posted by: Spork | July 12, 2007 3:25 AM | Report abuse

Finally -- about Ivan saying Ernie was excited the night of the draft about getting Nick Young.

Ivan, tell me once when you've seen a GM meet the press on draft night and admit they had to make do with the bits of skin and batter at the bottom of the KFC bucket that is the NBA draft.

Like EG will really walk up to the microphones and say: "Yeah, well, I guess he'll be good in summer league. Not Coby Karl good, but good. For summer league. Sell a few season tickets to the suckers. But let's be honest, he's only okay. Not great. Not even good. A nice sixth man. Maybe seventh. Sort of a Jerry Stackhouse crossed with a... a... " EG pauses, looks into the distance. "Jarvis Hayes or Oleksiy Pecherov... Only picked sixteenth." Sobs. "I'm very pleased."

Maybe we can sign Ernie's kid to a ten-day.

Posted by: Spork | July 12, 2007 3:38 AM | Report abuse

Ivan, you've got the whole DeShawn angle the wrong way around, nobody cares if he re-signs or not, we're not all waiting around with bated breathe or anything.

Posted by: juandixonformvp | July 12, 2007 3:48 AM | Report abuse

The thing we need to keep in mind with summer league is that Michael Ruffin would be averaging 12 points, 15 rebounds in 20 minutes of these games. Remember how Bo Outlaw used to dominate the summer league every year?

Pecherov will be fine. He'll average about 5 minutes a game this year, and his contribution will solely be hitting a few outside shots. He was touted as a banger, but it appears he is more of a bangee, getting bounced out of the lane by bigger players whenever a shot goes up.

Nick Young really handles the ball well. That's the primary thing I've noticed. Oh, and he's always jawwing and celebrating after making a basketball. Congratulations for making a basket in summer league, Nick! Now, if you wouldn't mind cutting your end zone dance short, and if it wouldn't be too much trouble, could you get back on D?

Posted by: Sean | July 12, 2007 5:14 AM | Report abuse

Darko Milicic signed with Memphis. Memphis wants JCN to keep Pau Gasol happy. Can we get Darko for Etan and JCN? Darko has the skills the Wiz need in a center- the ability to block shots, dish to cutters, and knock down shots from the high post. The Princeton offense was originally designed around a passing and outside-shooting center playing from the high post.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 12, 2007 6:21 AM | Report abuse

McGuire for a second round pick? Enough said.

Young - could be one heck of a scorer, but is unbelievably one-dimensional. Can't pass, rebound, or defend worth a lick.

Pecherov - I know it's summer league, and I know it's early, but he showed absolutely nothing. Put up decent stats, but they were somewhat misleading. Couldn't rebound, couldn't create his own shotdown low...just looked slow, and lost. Not a good sign.

Miles - actually played decent but only made the plays that were there to be made. Didn't playmake himself. Doubt he sticks, but who knows?

Hall - looked a lot better, but is there any reason to have him on this particular Wizards team? What is he going to provide us?

I'll keep saying it - please do not pay DeScrub. Please.

Posted by: AV | July 12, 2007 7:39 AM | Report abuse

It's a strange world when a GM has many, many, many successful years drafting NBA talent and a few fans think they know better than he does. Based on two summer league (yes, SUMMER LEAGUE) games, these fans have sized up the players and know all the answers. Simply amazing.

Posted by: Lisa | July 12, 2007 7:49 AM | Report abuse


The only good players on the Wiz so far are McGuire, Young and Hall. Pecherov stinks!! For a guy who has been a gym rat since he touched ground in D.C., his game needs a lot of work. I also noticed he has a hunched back or rounded back (osteoporis-like). It also could be poor posture as well. People who have that condition are usually slow footed and slow to react in my opinion to quicker and more talented players. He's no low post player at all. Visser has more of a physical prescence even though he has no offense.

Have any of you noticed how poor the Wizards are organizationally for these summer games?

1) The second-tier or developmental players on the Wiz are of much lower quality than their competition. (They suck!!) A failing grade has to go the Ernie and his scouts. I just find it hard to believe that Ernie can't do a better job of scouting more rare gems. They have a lot of scrubs vying for the bench spots.

2) Eddie Jordan and his assistants didn't properly prepare these guys for these games. The players aren't fluid and their ball movement isn't that great compared to their competition.

Posted by: Baller4Life | July 12, 2007 7:51 AM | Report abuse


The only good players on the Wiz so far are McGuire, Young and Hall. Pecherov stinks!! For a guy who has been a gym rat since he touched ground in D.C., his game needs a lot of work. I also noticed he has a hunched back or rounded back (osteoporis-like). It also could be poor posture as well. People who have that condition are usually slow footed and slow to react in my opinion to quicker and more talented players. He's no low post player at all. Visser has more of a physical prescence even though he has no offense.

Have any of you noticed how poor the Wizards are organizationally for these summer games?

1) The second-tier or developmental players on the Wiz are of much lower quality than their competition. (They suck!!) A failing grade has to go the Ernie and his scouts. I just find it hard to believe that Ernie can't do a better job of scouting more rare gems. They have a lot of scrubs vying for the bench spots.

2) Eddie Jordan and his assistants didn't properly prepare these guys for these games. The players aren't fluid and their ball movement isn't that great compared to their competition.

Posted by: Baller4Life | July 12, 2007 7:51 AM | Report abuse


It looks like I'm not alone in my observation of Pecherov. I've read some of the previous posts here and others have said he stinks as well. Glad I'm not imagining things.

Posted by: Baller4Life | July 12, 2007 7:57 AM | Report abuse

"For a guy who has been a gym rat since he touched ground in D.C., his game needs a lot of work."

You are right he moved here from a foreign country a whole week and a half ago. How dare he struggle in two exhibition games.

Posted by: CurtisLee | July 12, 2007 8:01 AM | Report abuse

Sigh. More rush to judgment. It's not at *all* unusual for young players to struggle in summer league, and for other players, who do zip in real games, to tear up the league.

For those of you ready to give up on Pech: I hope you're ready to say that Oden and Durant will also be busts. After all, the've stunk up the joint in their games also. According to your logic (i.e. summer league games are terribly meaningful, and results transfer directly to their impact in the regular season), this must be your conclusion.

Relax. Sit down. Exhale slowly. And let's talk about whether Pech is a bust after his third season.

Posted by: Keithinator | July 12, 2007 8:19 AM | Report abuse

To declare a rookie a bust after two summer league games is nuts. Especially when that rookie is adjusting to a new country, a new language and a new style of basketball. By all accounts, he is a hard worker who very much wants to learn and improve. Couple this with the fact that he's seven feet tall and has at least a degree of coordination, and you have a player who in time should become, at worst, a 15-20 minute-a-game back-up center/power forward. Granted, he has not looked good and has been getting pushed around in these games, but given his motivation and the availability of strength coaches and nutritionists, I am confident that he will bulk up and get stronger. It's just too soon to give up on the guy.

Posted by: rbpalmer | July 12, 2007 8:30 AM | Report abuse

Pecherov, of course, is the guy I'm talking about.

Posted by: rbpalmer | July 12, 2007 8:31 AM | Report abuse

Oleksiy Pecherov for Babe Laufenberg.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 12, 2007 8:32 AM | Report abuse

This is ridiculous. Relax people. It's 2 summer league games. Who really cares if the team wins. Management uses these games to scout players and find out strengths/weaknesses. Young looks the part of a 6th man. Scoring off the bench, which we severely lacked last year. McGuire is gonna be solid as a backup SF and defensive stopper. And Pech? He's young, 7 foot, willing to work, and can shoot. Come on, he's not going to be a typical center in this game. He'll mix it up a bit and do the best he can. He'll become a player in this league. Relax and enjoy the summer.

Posted by: crd | July 12, 2007 8:43 AM | Report abuse

Yo Ivan. Thanks for the AB update. That's all I was looking for. It looks like I can rest at ease now.

As for the OPEC haters out there. I do not know if you saw this dude last year in the summer league with AB or not. But trust me, he was like that and more. I can clearly see something is not just right with him in these last two games.

You have to remember, Ivan reported that he had and still has a pretty bad groin strain or something; but he was going to attempt to play in the summer league games anyway.

He was moving a heck of a lot better last year and was very "active". I was upset they sent him back to the "U" last year because I thought he could really help us last year.

Give the young guy some time to heal and then make your comments around preseason time when he is running with the veterans.

I can tell something is wrong with him because he barly moves around a lot and that was not his game last year. So folks who are hating on OPEC, calm down and at least give him the preseason. One thing we do know is he can hit a outside "j" (not the greatest looking shot, but it falls).

Lastly, as I have already been saying and suggesting (before I even saw Young or McGurie) play, let DS walk use these two and Navarro at our "2" spot and lets roll. I am even now comfortable enough to take my 1 year tender off the table from Jarvis now.

**** - Do not sleep on Miles. This dude is a natural point guard. Young and McGuire have been getting all of the "pub", as they should; but D Taylor now has some problems on his hands.

Posted by: mikie | July 12, 2007 8:45 AM | Report abuse

Fact: Bad players sometimes look good in summer league. Good players rarely look bad in summer league. That said, Pecherov will never be Dirk or anything close. The best he will ever be (IF he improves dramatically) is Laettner, which isn't as bad as it sounds. He has a slow delivery but can make shots when wide open, is too weak to rebound effectively, and is slow afoot. We can forget about him playing center at least for now. Nick Young has defensive skills and D'ed up Stuckey for stretches. His long arms make him a very good potential defensive player if he is interested in playing D. Nick is more of a scorer than shooter. When he doesn'thave the ball, he stands around waitin for it. He'll have to get used to the fact that he's not at USC anymore and no longer the first option. On our team, he really could start if he had to. I prefer JCN because he's a veteran.
McGuire is probably the 4th best player on our team RIGHT NOW. I'm a huge Blatche fan but McGuire is more aggressive offensively and a better rebounder because he's stronger. He's also probably the best passer on the team outside of Daniels, Donnell Taylor and Miles. He oughtta start if we could move Caron to the 2. Caron is a young all star at the 3. There's no way we should keep McGuire on the bench for long, so we need to find a way to get him in the game. I know basketball pretty well and I know when a guy can play. This guy is similar to Joe Johnson and similar to Pippen, as well. Gotta play him. Good to hear that Jarvis is gone.

Posted by: mark | July 12, 2007 8:51 AM | Report abuse

BTW,
I don't get caught up in hype about guys or carried away when a dude has a few good games. (Well, except for when Leon Wood came here midseason and scored at will years ago). I'm telling you guys...McGuire AND Blatche can ball. They need time. Like someone else said, Miles knows how run a team , too. We're gonna have to roll the dice with haywood because Pech is nowhere near being close to being able to play center. Even Visser was more aggressive in the paint. And that's saying something.

Posted by: mark | July 12, 2007 8:58 AM | Report abuse

What's so wrong about being the Suns of the East? Sign JCN, let Stephenson go and see what happens. Use Jamison in a more traditional post up role along with Butler and at times Arenas, we have a great offensive system players just have to run the offense and not rush long jump shots (fool's gold). Contrary to popular belief you don't need a big PF or C to have a post up game,just someone who can draw you a double team. Defensively the additional length and athleticism from our draft picks should help, but it boils down to effective rotations to the corner shooters, containing dribble penetration up top, showing effectively on pick and rolls and weakside rebounding by the SG/SF. That requires effort as much as talent.

Posted by: lawton | July 12, 2007 9:03 AM | Report abuse

As far as these young guys go, lets hope for the Wizards sake,what goes on in Vegas doesn't stay in Vegas.

Posted by: Donald | July 12, 2007 9:12 AM | Report abuse

A note to wiz fans-
I was waching the game with my girlfriend(shes a doctor).She does not know a lick of basketball, but she pointed "that guy right there suffers from mild nutrient".I said who are you talking about.She pointed again to the screen and it was Pec. She says that with that hunch in has back is going to require some kind treatment and its going to take sometime. She also says he moves slowly maybe because of that same problem. It will also cause a low energy level that may cause him to get extremely exhausted.(could be why sometimes he was not into the game).She says all of this can be corrected with physical threapy, the right diet and exercise.(probably why hes in the gym so much)
Know I did remember Ivan reporting on CSN that Pech. was making 2 or 3 years ago $10 per month. He increase he's monthly salary every year up to date, although.
So I think Pech. will be fine in a year or 2. He probably is not going to help us this year but we have to be a little patient with him. We also have to understand his background and ease up on the guy. Thrust ernie that he knows what he is doing and pech is going to be fine. Acutually I think Pech is going to be a monster when he gets his body conditioning better and a better understanding of the game. We already know he plays with a chip ohis shoulders. So Wiz fand ease up and focus on AB, McBeast, and young nick. peace

Posted by: d square | July 12, 2007 9:14 AM | Report abuse

Someone asked the WWL's Bill Simmons about summer league indications. He brought back the memory of Kedrick Brown and another NBA washout winning the MVP of their first summer league to point out how useless they are in determining success. I liked Mo Cheek's memory of Ostertag owning Duncan too.

Is it that big of a shock that our under 22 team includes players who need developing?

The question: Is Harvey Grant the guy who should be in charge of that process? I know we only saw pieces of their workout, but those pieces were all jumpshot drills. One factor bothering Pesh is the pace of the game. if he's going to be doing jumpshot drills he needs to be shooting them between end to end sprints. That'll help get his legs under him. His form is fine.

That, and hit the weights.

Posted by: JJ | July 12, 2007 9:16 AM | Report abuse

I agree 100% with Lawton. The best defensive teams are the ones who rotate effectively. It helps to have long arms but you don't have to be 7 feet and 275 lbs.

Posted by: mark | July 12, 2007 9:17 AM | Report abuse

"I know basketball pretty well and I know when a guy can play. This guy is similar to Joe Johnson and similar to Pippen, as well."

And you've been able to determine this after two summer league games against summer league competition.

Oy.

Posted by: Keithinator | July 12, 2007 9:22 AM | Report abuse

Oden and Durant tore up their first two summer league games too. I guess the Portland and Seattle blew those choices too. Detroit was playing an NBA starter next year on their summer league team. Actually I thought Pecherov responded and played a little better than the first night.
McGuire is a real solid looking player, I really don't see a guy that will be trying to catch on with a series of 10 day contracts.
Young can't play a lick of defense, has never been asked to. But a blind man can see that guy's talent. Boy does he have hops, smooth as silk. He'll have to hit the weight room and learn the pro game, but what a future.
Watching another game late last night and they were talking about players that have impressed in the summer league and two guys they brought up out of the whole league were Young and McGuire.
Pecherov is still very young and playing on a gimpy leg. He'll be ok, put that kid on a team with smart pros like Songalia and Jamison to learn from and he'll start to contribute by the second half of the season.
Miles, Hall and Visser are all probably worth a look in camp. Getting some prospects to invite to camp and getting a look at your draftees is about all a team is trying to do at summer league. Unless you're a team like the Kings that are bringing anybody they can off their roster so the new coach can take a look at them.
Last I looked these games don't count.

Posted by: GM | July 12, 2007 9:22 AM | Report abuse

Is it possible that Pesh is working too hard in the gym. Sometimes, you just need to take a break from it for a day or so. Remember Gilbert's first game last year after months of constant training.

Posted by: BT | July 12, 2007 9:25 AM | Report abuse

I think there is a major conspiracy theory that you are all missing in the fact that Darko has reportly signed a contact with the Grizzles that is very simaliar to Etan's 3 years 21 million... JCN and Etan for the young big man who was looking good in the second half. Ernie's got moves people... make it happen.

Posted by: Callahan | July 12, 2007 9:27 AM | Report abuse

-I'm hearing that Dwayne Casey may not be the next Wiz assistant coach.

I think the idea of a defensive assistant coach will only work if EJ embraces the idea. But from the fact that TT backed out of the deal after meeting with EJ, it is apparent that EJ does not give out the "vibe" that he is willing to listen to a defense specialist.

Nick Young played well last night, but his drive still appears "wild" at times.

Posted by: Sagaliba | July 12, 2007 9:29 AM | Report abuse

I imagine that Ernie is giving McGuire a real good look in Vegas, and then trying to figure out how that impacts his decisions this summer. Is McGuire really that good that he could be ready to step into the starting lineup sometime this season at SG? That may be a stretch, but the Wizards need a bunch of intangibles from their SG, and intangibles is what this McGuire kid has. Can McGuire play the 2, and/or can McGuire and Butler man the 2 and 3 together? If so, why ink Stevenson to a 4 year deal?

And looking at the Wizards' cap numbers, and what it will take to extend McGuire, Pecherov, Young, and Gilbert in the next couple of years, I'm starting to get the feeling that Jamison is just going to be let go after next season, or signed to a very low deal, maybe $4 or 5 million per. Could that really be the plan?

Or, perhaps that is why Ernie seems willing to cast Navarro adrift if he can dump Etan in the process. It's a matter of necessity, not choice.

Posted by: Sean | July 12, 2007 9:42 AM | Report abuse

Keithinator,
What I'm looking at has little to do with the competition level. If you see a 6'8 forward who can block shots, rebound, and handle the ball with either hand well enough to get to the rim, you can be sure that the guy has some skills. Heart you can't measure. But extraordinary basketball skills you can see even on an outdoor court on the playground. I saw a similar thing in Blatche last year. Can you name many guys in summer league who fill the box score who are complete busts? I'm not talking about just scoring. McG passes, defends, rebounds, and scores. He hit jumpers as well as drives. I'm not proclaiming the guy to be an all star but he is definitely a baller.

Posted by: mark | July 12, 2007 9:47 AM | Report abuse

I love the enthusiasm but let's remember this is summer league. We've all heard about Ostertag dominating Tim Duncan.

Posted by: Patrick | July 12, 2007 9:53 AM | Report abuse

Young Nick reminds me of a bigger but a little slower Kerry Kittles.

Posted by: d square | July 12, 2007 9:56 AM | Report abuse

d square,
What is "mild nutrition?" Do you mean malnutrition?

mark,
Yeah I remember I was excited by Leon Wood too! :) Hey, the guy now is the most physically fit NBA referee.

Posted by: Sagaliba | July 12, 2007 10:03 AM | Report abuse

Darko for Etan and JCN! Darko will blossom in our system. Most Improved Player next year. Just like Boris Diaw with the Suns. Put Darko into the high post and give him lots of cutters to pass the ball to.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 12, 2007 10:12 AM | Report abuse

Good call, Callahan. I'm not sold on Darko and I think they want a bug who can play with Gasol but a JCN/Etan trade for Darko DOES fit under the cap nicely. They get a big who can team with Pau as well as a veteran point guard and we get ....well I don't know exactly but we'll see what he can do. Also, I'm willing to give Pech the benefit of the doubt but he spent a year working out and working on his game and actually playing. I would have expected. him to be better than last year. he actually played better last summer. I'll blame the injury but he needs to show something soon. JJ, ditto. Harvey Grant is NOT the guy you need trying to teach toughness and rebounding. We spent 10 years trying to teach that to him and I'm not sure he ever learned it. Where's Horace?

Posted by: mark | July 12, 2007 10:14 AM | Report abuse

"It's a strange world when a GM has many, many, many successful years drafting NBA talent and a few fans think they know better than he does. Based on two summer league (yes, SUMMER LEAGUE) games..."

True dat, Lisa, true dat.

These guys will find their stride. Folks, just chill out and stop hitting the panic button. Are you fans or martyrs?

Yeah, I'm worried about 22-point swings in the 4th quarter, and defensive breakdowns and turnovers and missed shots that should have fallen, but it's summer league.

Posted by: iceberg | July 12, 2007 10:18 AM | Report abuse

DSquare - that Kittles call is right on the money. Same frame besides the weight. BTW, I saw a box score of the Duncan/ Ostertag game and Duncan was 6-10 for 14 pts with 8 rebounds. Ostertag had 20 or 21 points with 10 rebounds and a few blocks of Duncan's shot. Duncan is a PF and held his own. People refer to that game as if he was shut out. This is exactly my point, too. Good players play well in the summer league. Can't remember an eventual star who stunk it up during the summer ..especially their 2nd summer. Of course, I might be taking that back soon. Durant is gonna be a star.

Posted by: mark | July 12, 2007 10:49 AM | Report abuse

Great call on Kerry Kittles d square! Young is a little taller and more of a smooth glider when he runs than Kittles (maybe why he looks a little slower) but they have a similar build and close enough type game. McGuire to me looks closest to a Ruben Patterson in his prime with better offensive moves and much better passing and blocking ability and of course he has much better attitude than Patterson has on or off the court.

Posted by: Wizzin' By Ya | July 12, 2007 10:50 AM | Report abuse

Iceberg, the defensive breakdowns are a definite concern but not so much in the summmer. What concerns me are starters that have played in Eddie's defensive system for years now and STILL not rotating and helping. That's why I'm high on McGuire and Nick Young. they have the body type (quickness and long arms) to excel in a help system.

Posted by: mark | July 12, 2007 10:57 AM | Report abuse

Yeah! We got ourselves the New and Improved Kobe or LeBron Stopper in DMac! Can't wait to see him on the floor with the vets. He'll be even better. Between him and Caron, they can interchange between the 2 and 3 on matchups. If he can keep his cool and play like he has been, he might even earn that starting spot if DS2 isn't signed.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 12, 2007 11:00 AM | Report abuse

i would love to have darko for etan/jcn, but if we made that trade, it actually adds almost 2 mil to our salary, which would mean we only have 5 mil to sign a sg, blatche, and mcguire before going over the luxury threshold.

plus, please correct me if i'm wrong, but i think once you sign a free agent, you can't trade him until sometime after the regular season starts...

i think our best bet with memphis would still be miller, but now that they have a starting center, i'm not so sure they'd want a 7 mil backup.

Posted by: JC | July 12, 2007 11:05 AM | Report abuse

re: Darko. People need to realize that according to the CBA, "a player cannot be traded until three months after signing a contract or December 15th of that season, whichever is later. Draft picks can be traded 30 days after they sign their contract."

This is for free agents that change teams. Sign and trades are considered a single transaction outside of the rule above.

So if we're getting Darko (Memphis moving him for JCN and Etan sounded terrible from their side anyway) it can't happen until December.

Posted by: Johnny Boy | July 12, 2007 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Mark,

I'm still high on Young and McGuire too -- like the way McG gets after it, and Young got lifted a couple of times yesterday, especially when he dunked on that 7-footer. And I agree with you that they can help out, especially with their quickness and body structure.

All I was saying was that it's way too early to judge a team that has only had a few days of practice and whose veterans (cough*Mike Hall*cough) aren't playing like other team's veterans (Maxiell and Garcia the past couple of nights) who seem to sense this is their best or last shot to stay on the squad.

It's going to get better.

Posted by: iceberg | July 12, 2007 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Also means that Memphis doesn't have cap room to accept Etan's salary without having to match it with salary coming back to us.

Posted by: Monte | July 12, 2007 11:14 AM | Report abuse

"And you've been able to determine this after two summer league games against summer league competition."

I agree with Keith.

Summer games mean 100% nothing. You basically just see who you've drafted. All they are, are "pick up" games.

Wait until they play with the big boys before you decide. They aren't even running plays right now.

Again, these games mean 100% nothing.

Ivan, we need an UPDATE on Navarro/Stevenson!!! :)

- Ray

Posted by: Ray | July 12, 2007 11:15 AM | Report abuse

JC,

I think Dec. 15 is the earliest you can trade newly signed FA's, but i wouldn't swear to it.

And people need to let go of the fantasy that any team is going to want Navarro so badly that they'd eat Etan's contract. Won't happen.

Posted by: kalorama | July 12, 2007 11:16 AM | Report abuse

As for summer league, Nikoloz Tskitishvili averaged 25 ppg in summer league a couple years ago, then cam back with another strong showing the following year.

Who's Nikoloz Tskitishvili, you ask?

Exactly.

Posted by: kalorama | July 12, 2007 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Question is whether Pau wants Navarro enough to force Memphis to take Etan.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 12, 2007 11:27 AM | Report abuse

If the wiz fail to address the need for interior defense we will struggle to make the playoffs. I would not rush to give stevenson a contract since his d is overrated. Lets sign Navarro instaed and try to trade for Camby who is available (Haywood/Navarro for Camby?)

Posted by: Wizfanatic | July 12, 2007 11:29 AM | Report abuse

Kalorama,
Skita is a great example of an average player who plays well in the summer league. Still looking for a guy who sucks in the summer but stars during the regular season. Even PJ Ramos had a couple of decent summer league games and we know how he turned out.

Posted by: mark | July 12, 2007 11:41 AM | Report abuse

WizFanatic, why in the world would the Nuggets trade the NBA Defensive MVP for anything ? You were kidding, right?

Posted by: mark | July 12, 2007 11:46 AM | Report abuse

I see the Summer Leaugue team got outscored 35-13 in the forth quarter. This group should fit right in with the group we had last season- ironically we did the same thing in most of our losses last season.

Optimistically though, Young looks really good, but Dominic McGuire seems, so far, to be the real steal of the draft. If I were Andray Blatche I would be very concerned about playing time. Our team needed toughness, and bench scoring. I think we have made some progress in both regards. Pesh still needs to bang a little bit more, but Ernie is building a team, and will utilize guys when they're ready.

Posted by: Mike J | July 12, 2007 11:55 AM | Report abuse

DMac and Nick......I am excited! And Gil and Caron and Antawn....Oh my! Now Ernie, can we get the CENTER taken care? Please not another year of Thomas and Haywood! 2008 can be the greatest, just can't wait!

Posted by: aramey1 | July 12, 2007 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Like McGuire as well, but let's face it. this is a summer league for players 10-15 at best, and a few rookies. For what he has done McGuire has looked good. he will not be a double digit point guy during the year, but you can at least see the guy can play. I am just confused that he was not on any radar or anyone list pre- or post-draft.

Posted by: RobGreg | July 12, 2007 12:05 PM | Report abuse

"I am just confused that he was not on any radar or anyone list pre- or post-draft."

No real surprise. it happens every year. Some guys who know one gave much thought to end up being real players. It's the nature of the draft. it's a crap shoot.

Posted by: kalorama | July 12, 2007 12:07 PM | Report abuse

We had an inkling but the Times is reporting that Wiz are giving up on Arvis, thank God:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070712/SPORTS03/107120072/1005/sports&template=nextpage

Not sure how his recovery and injury concern is and what it would take to sign him or in sign and trades but Chris Mihm isn't a bad big man to have for rebounds and defense with a few blocks. What do you guys think of Mihm?

Posted by: Wizzin' By Ya | July 12, 2007 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Denver is trying to get below the luxury tax threshold while paying AI, Melo's extension, Nene's extension, Kenyon Martin AND Camby, thats why they'd move Camby... why they'd take Etan? to get Navarro. Is it enough? I doubt it.

Etan, Jarvis and JCN for Camby? They'd get a replacement big, the shooter they covet in Navarro while taking a 1 year/non-guaranteed flyer on Jarvis since they need shooters and aren't bringing back Dermarr Johnson or possibly JR Smith.

Denver is also a potential home for AD. They're PG hunting and he'd be a nice fit next to AI.

Posted by: Monte | July 12, 2007 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Mark,

Level of competition is *everything*. That's why judgments can't be made after two summer league games. NBA-level defenders, which McGuire will be facing every night, are nothing like what he's facing now. Sure, he has potential, and I hope he becomes an Arenas-Redd-like second rounder. But it's ludicrous to make that leap at this point. Remember how Danny Wuerfull looked in preseason under Spurrier? He had Peyton Manning written all over him.

Posted by: Keithinator | July 12, 2007 12:36 PM | Report abuse

If the goal for Denver is to get under the cap, trading for a backup with a bloated multi-year contract and big trade kicker seems like an esp. bad way to go about it. Denver and the Wiz are both over the cap, so they'd have match dollar for dollar on any deal they made, thus no luxury tax relief for Denver.

Posted by: kalorama | July 12, 2007 12:36 PM | Report abuse

why don't we make a play for mark jackson...c/f from temple whose been
76ers, Golden sTate

Posted by: Anonymous | July 12, 2007 12:38 PM | Report abuse

Camby is a great defensive center but he's always hurt! Are we really ready to have him sit most of a season with some type of injury for his salary and he's not getting any younger.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 12, 2007 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Marc f'ing Jackson? The guy can score some but can't rebound, play good defense or block shots.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 12, 2007 12:42 PM | Report abuse

Chris Mihm hasn't played in how long? And what was he before that? I read he wants a large part of the MLE too. Also saw that Magliore's agent is trying to insert Washington into his list of suitors.

Posted by: Johnny Boy | July 12, 2007 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Mark,

"Still looking for a guy who sucks in the summer but stars during the regular season."

-- So, you're saying Oden and Durant will be washouts, right?

Posted by: keithinator | July 12, 2007 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Denver would save money. They'd also get off the hook for the rest of the 33 year old Camby's deal (3 years 30 million) while adding the shooter they are desperate for and a no lose contract with Jarvis.

Its unlikely they move anyone now, until they find out what Kenyon Martin can do.

Best Ernie could get for AD would be Najera's hustle and his expiring contract plus a throw in like JR Smith.

Posted by: Monte | July 12, 2007 12:58 PM | Report abuse

Any deal Denver makes would require them, by CBA rule, to take back as much salary as they send out.

Camby and Etan's contracts both run for 3 more years, and any contract Navarro signs would be for at least that long. (Thomas does have a player option one year before his deal expires, but there's almost no chance he uses it because no one else is going to pay him as much as he would be making in that last year.)

So if they have to match traded salaries and can't take back less money, and don't get any earlier expiring contracts, how do they save money?

They wouldn't.

Posted by: kalorama | July 12, 2007 1:06 PM | Report abuse

No way the Wiz sign Marc Jackson. He played with Gil back in G-State and use to beat him up during practice.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 12, 2007 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Keithinator, look at my earlier post. I mentioned that Durant will be the exception. I think you miss my point about seeing basic skills. Whenever you see a big man that can do things like McG does them, he's got real ability. There are only a handful of guys that are 6'8" 230that can handle the ball with either hand, block shots, and rebound. That's all I'm saying. The fact that he was a 2nd round pick will cause him to be motivated. He said so himself. Combine raw talent, basketball knowledge (evidenced by the passes he made) plus a chip on his shoulder and you have the makings of a star. Dis you know that this guy had 2 triple dbls in college and one was with 10 blocks ? The other was 10 assists. I'm no statistician but I would love to know how many other guys have done that in Div 1 History. Maybe Akeem...maybe David Robinson? I know it's summer league. I get that. I watched AI vs. Marbury in summer league at Georgetown before their freshman seasons and I knew that they were special. I watched Kwame Brown during the summer before he got drafted and I knew that he was specia... Uh. Never mind. Well I'm PRETTY confident about McG.

Posted by: mark | July 12, 2007 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, Camby injured often, but so is Etan. Last year Camby played 70 games, Etan 65. The two previous years Camby played 122 games combined, while Etan only 118.

Camby averaged 11 pts, 9 rebounds, 2.5 blks, 1.7 assists and 1 steal; Etan 6 pts, 5 rebounds, 1.1 blks, 0.4 assist and 0.3 steal. Though Camby's salary is a bit higher, it only amounts to somewhere over a mil in difference (similar to Etan's over Haywood's). I will take Camby over Etan any day!

Posted by: Sagaliba | July 12, 2007 1:12 PM | Report abuse

BTW, I don't think there's any chance we take a 33 year old underweight center with a bad back and a history of injuries no matter how good of a year he had. Remember, Wes is no longer making the calls. No more Otis Thorpes. Oh yeah, i forgot to mention ralph sampson as a guy who may have had a season with 2 triple dbls like McG had. Bill Walton almost certainly had one. I'll see if i can find out somehow.

Posted by: mark | July 12, 2007 1:17 PM | Report abuse

I see what you're saying, Mark. As a general rule, the numbers/stats from summer league are utterly meaningless. But watching how a guy plays, how he moves on the floor, how he reacts to different situations, what his attitude is like, how he interacts with teammates, etc. can give important clues to what kind of pro he might be even if, strictly speaking, he doesn't play well.

Posted by: kalorama | July 12, 2007 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Just found this on Wiki..."Stephane Lasme of UMass has an NCAA record 4 triple doubles in the 2006-07 season. Lasme joins Jason Kidd (1994 at Cal) and Michael Anderson (1986 at Drexel) as the only college players to tally four triple doubles in a single season. While Kidd and Anderson accomplished the feat by achieving double figures in scoring, rebounds, and assists, Lasme's triple doubles are in scoring, rebounds, and blocks."
So while Lasme is impressive, he didn't do it with assists, as well as blocks.

Posted by: Mark | July 12, 2007 1:19 PM | Report abuse

The Wizards would have to include Jarvis in any deal to get the contracts to match in the first place because of the disparity between what Etan makes and what Camby makes. He would come off their books after 1 year or earlier if his one year deal was partially or completely non-guaranteed. Having a 1.5 to 2 million dollar contract come off the books when you're over the threshold saves them 3 to 4 million.

Navarro is the sweetener. His contract comes from the MLE which they are going to use one way or another. Thats money added that was going to be added anyway.

If they prefer to move Nene and Najera for Jamison I'm sure the Zards would chew that over too.

Posted by: Monte | July 12, 2007 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Yo watch McGuire play, you can tell he can PLAY. Where's the ceiling? Thats the question.

Posted by: Johnny Boy | July 12, 2007 1:29 PM | Report abuse

OK. I did some research and it appears that since 1986 in the NBA only Hakeem, David Robinson, Kirilenko and Shaq have been able to get triple doubles with points, reb, blocks as well as with points, reb, assists. An none of those guys did it in the same season. I went to basketballreference.com and looked it up. I'll check college next. Obviously I have a little free time at work :)

Posted by: mark | July 12, 2007 1:30 PM | Report abuse

"The Wizards would have to include Jarvis in any deal to get the contracts to match in the first place because of the disparity between what Etan makes and what Camby makes. He would come off their books after 1 year or earlier if his one year deal was partially or completely non-guaranteed."

That's not how it works. Jarvis is the Wiz's own unrestricted FA. When it comes to resigning him they have two choices: A multi-year extension or a 1-year qualifying offer. The 1-year qualifying offer is, by rule, fully guaranteed and, again by rule, he can't be traded during that following following year (at the end of which he'd become an unrestricted FA). Thus the only way the Wiz could include him in the trade would be to first sign him to a multi-year extension.

So, once again, no savings for the Nuggets.

Posted by: kalorama | July 12, 2007 1:36 PM | Report abuse

"That's not how it works. Jarvis is the Wiz's own unrestricted FA.

Ooops. That should read: "Jarvis is the Wiz's own restricted FA."

Posted by: kalorama | July 12, 2007 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Well after seeing all the possible Centers that people are mentioning, it's clear to me that there is no center out there that most fans can agree on. It's sad really. I think I have changed my mind now. I'm not ready to just ride it out with who we have and see who is on the market or in the draft next year.

I don't want us to sign some average guy for big money just because fans feel like we have to make a move for a big man this offseason. Not after looking at who is available. Darko hasn't proved anything for the price he is asking. I think Ernie, trying to clear cap space and maybe getting a 1st round pick for next year in a Navarro trade, is looking at next year to truly address this center issue. He can't do it all this one offseason. Patience people.

Posted by: KD | July 12, 2007 1:44 PM | Report abuse

yeah, the only teams that i could see as willing to take on etan's contract in order to get jcn would have to be in major need for a guard, decent need for a center, and a desire to offload some of their own contracts.

considering how well lowry and their draft pick are playing, and now getting milicic, i don't see why they'd want to give up miller, unless it's for a high caliber vet 2 guard.

Posted by: JC | July 12, 2007 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Monte | July 12, 2007 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Pecherov just needs time, and to get stronger. He needs a year or two in the Wizards weight room working with a strength coach. We may be expecting a little too much too soon from this kid.
You can tell he needs strength work, just look at his spindly upper body and a much more developed lower body. He looks down right sickly. But I say give him a chance to develop. Let's not forget, we are the same team that gave up on skinny kid they call "Rip".

Posted by: Anonymous | July 12, 2007 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Correction to "I'm not ready to just ride it out with who we have and see who is on the market or in the draft next year."

I meant I am ready to ride it out with who we have now. I don't care, even bring Booth back.

Posted by: KD | July 12, 2007 1:50 PM | Report abuse

"Jarvis was not tendered a qualifying offer."

I didn't say he had been. What I said was that in order for the Wiz to re-sign him and include him your hypothetical S&T they would have had to make him an offer and re-sign him. Since they didn't, there's no way for them to include him in any trade they make.

Posted by: kalorama | July 12, 2007 1:58 PM | Report abuse

"I see what you're saying, Mark."

Thanks, kalorama. Of course, all of this is coming from a guy who expects the '07 Wiz to win 60 games and advance to the Finals, the Skins to win 14 games and the SB, Backstrom, Ovechkin, Semin to finish 1-2-3 in the NHL in scoring and the '08 Nationals to be the '69 Mets. Pls keep my opinions in perspective.

Posted by: mark | July 12, 2007 2:04 PM | Report abuse

But you called him a Restricted FA. When he wasn't tendered he became a unrestricted free agent. A team must tender a player coming off the 4th year of his rookie deal to make him a restricted FA.

Posted by: Monte | July 12, 2007 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Anybody know how much NY, Pech, & DM are going to play in the last few summer games? I know teams usually just play guys looking for a contract at the end, but with our roster almost full, are they going to do things different this time?

Posted by: CurtisLee | July 12, 2007 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone think Jamal Magloire would fit our system? I was thinking - ditch BH for a draft pick.

Posted by: Ace Legend | July 12, 2007 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Young will be a great spark off the bench. McGuire reminds me of Caron Butler, a scrapper that can do most about anything. Hall from GW has a swagger and confidence. Pechorov is still a project. He is skinny and has hands like Haywood. It's gonna take him awhile to adjust. I see him blowing up in year 4 or 5.

This Wiz team is exciting, please don't waste cap space on Stephenson.

Can we please bring in a bruiser inside.

I am sick of how many tweener's this team has.

Posted by: Justin | July 12, 2007 2:29 PM | Report abuse

"But you called him a Restricted FA. When he wasn't tendered he became a unrestricted free agent. A team must tender a player coming off the 4th year of his rookie deal to make him a restricted FA."

Yes. That's correct. And your point is ...?

It's really quite humorous that you've now decided to try and make a big semantics issue out of my calling him a restricted FA, since what little viability your proposal had hinged entirely on him being restricted and the Wiz having control over his fate. Since you now seem to be claiming that you knew all along he was unrestricted, your proposal seems all the more farfetched given that, as an unrestricted FA, there's no way in the world Jarvis would agree to sign a 1-year, non-guaranteed offer with the Wiz just so he could be traded to the Nuggets and (according to your scenario) get cut before the season was even over.

I'm done with this. Moving on.

Posted by: kalorama | July 12, 2007 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Magloire and Haywood might as well be twins separated at birth. No thanks.

Posted by: kaloram | July 12, 2007 2:34 PM | Report abuse

It's not that Pech is skinny, but he has bad posture, the type that looks genetic, or perhaps is the result of a poor diet and the wrong weightlifting regimen. This limits his flexibility, mobility, strength, speed, etc. It's not a question of being patient for him to develop an NBA game, as some posters suggest, but letting him get away from B-Ball for a year or two to develop physically with a proper trainer, nutritionist, and chiropractor. He needs it, seriously, for his own long-term health. Lifting weights and playing with that posture will just cause more damage. He will never excel against the athletic bigs of the NBA until he corrects the problem. He has great heart and passion, let's be patient and give him another couple years to physically develop before throwing him into the Pit.

Posted by: GreveyK | July 12, 2007 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Isn't Jarvis history ? Why we talking about him? Stop scaring me !

Posted by: mark | July 12, 2007 2:37 PM | Report abuse

D Casey or Thibbodeau most likely didn't join the staff because of the tension and uncertainty between EG and EJ moreso than because of philosophy. You did see that the other assistants had to wait and only got 1 yr extensions.

As for you Pech haters, Dirk Nowitzki didn't exactly tear up the league and he's still labeled soft defensively. It took him 5 yrs + to really adapt his game to be effective in the US and start showing some aggressiveness at putting the ball on the floor and getting to the line. if Pech can be a Dirk in the early years and hit a 12 - 20 footer consistently, grab a few rebounds and use some fouls off the bench, he'll instantly be an upgrade over Ruffin, Booth and Etan. and his practice skills might be a bonus for the effect they'll have on Blatche and Haywood.

Posted by: G$ | July 12, 2007 2:41 PM | Report abuse

I pray to the heavens that Darko never becomes a wizard. He is the eastern European Kwame Brown. The dude has worked hard for 20 minutes in his whole career just in time for him to get a payday. He is punk; Tim Thomas has more heart than he does.

It just infuriates me that the Wiz are NEVER in the discussion for marquee players. Could we have put something together for Gasol? I don't know, but I'd like to think we tried. Could we have had Jermaine O'neal? I don't know. I'd just like to hear that we did more than float the Daniels/Etan Thomas pu pu platter out there.

All this discussion is moot. We are not a title contender. I have been through too much for us not to be. I went to the Capital Center and cheered for Jeff Malone coming curling off of Mark Alorie screens to shoot that baseline fadeaway. I waved my bullets towel for Michael Adams and the way he kicked his heels up towards his butt when he shot 3s. Abe Pollin will never pay the luxury tax. Further, I think he hates paying out any new salaries and has tied Grunfield's hands.

What would it have taken for us to get Cory Brewer? A guy that could potentially guard Lebron or Wade? Do we ever know? He went at 7. Was Minnesota even asked? That's my point. I'm waiting on the Stevenson news with baited breath because that's the biggest deal. We still have a garbage center tandem, a child SF/PF tweener who cannot be counted on in meaningful situations, a jump shooting PF who allows every opposing PF to have career nights against us, no SG who can reliably knock down shots (you can point to the 46%, but the real stevenson came out at the end of last year; the one who couldn't hit water from a boat), and no bench. We have a supestar who is going to kill himself to get us 42 wins again and a nice complimentary SF who is tough. Is anyone really scared of that group in a 7 game series?

You think Toronto/New Jersey/Cle/Detroit/Orlando are scared of that?

Posted by: Bernard King | July 12, 2007 2:57 PM | Report abuse

G$, George Mikan would be an improvement over those guys and he died 2 years ago.

Posted by: mark | July 12, 2007 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Who wants Jarvis? Any team willing to step up and offer him a deal has to be taken seriously. Denver would be a great opportunity for him.
1. playoff team.
2. They are looking for shooters.
3. They are not bringing back a couple of guys at his position.
4. His one year deal could be partially or fully guaranteed. An un-guaranteed deal was the way to Max out savings for Denver, not a necessity. They still save money after 1 season.

kalorama, actually you were the smart guy who stepped up with the argument over his status. When you thought were right it wasn't semantics, it was a deal-killer and I was an a-hole for making the suggestion. Now its "semantics"? Well played Mr. Rove.

You who got hung up on him being restricted and untradeable while getting his status wrong. Now that you've been corrected you want no part in the discussion. Sounds fair.

Might want to think about pulling back on the "know it all" attitude while you're moving on. People are wrong all the time, you shouldn't take it so personally.

Posted by: Monte | July 12, 2007 3:08 PM | Report abuse

How many complete teams are there in the NBA. Every team in the NBA has faults. The good ones just know how to cover them up. We have a system that has taken us to the playoffs for three consecutive seasons. Why choose a completely different course by getting a gasol or jermaine oneal. All this gloom and despair because we dont have a banger is unnecessary. If you really want to feel some gloom and despair just think of the last 20 years before this current team showed up.

Posted by: Outoftwnfan | July 12, 2007 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Bernard, I had season tickets when you played for us. Thanks for the memories. Actually, I understand your frustration with the team but we have a marquee player in Gil and 2 guys who were all stars within the last 2 years. In terms of talent, we have enough. We just need to stay healthy and be able to play a little bit of D when necessary. I was amazed when you led the league in scoring on bad knees here at the Cap Center. I was there for Malone, too. i was there for years when Omalley promoted Bullets games by promoting the visiting team. I was there for Celtics games when the colors in the stands in the Cap Center were 75% green. I hated it all and feel your pain. Hang in there, brother. Good times are coming. Bullets Fever, happens to me every year.

Posted by: mark | July 12, 2007 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Who would we offer for Gasol that was any better than the package the Bulls offered?

Posted by: CurtisLee | July 12, 2007 3:26 PM | Report abuse

I never said you were an "a-hole." If you have some esteem issues in that regard, they have nothing to do with me. You might wanna talk to someone.

I also never said Jarvis was untradeable. I simply defined the circumstances under which he could be traded as an unrestricted FA, none of which fit your wildly speculative fantasy scenario. And, as I also pointed out, as an unrestricted FA, your trade is still unworkable because Jarvis would never agree to it. I simply covered all the bases. Rather than actually refute the substance of my point, you decided it would be easier to try and make hay out of how I supposedly defined his "status" which was never an issue, given that I pointed out how the deal wouldn't work under both FA scenarios.

"Denver would be a great opportunity for him. "

And here you just embarrass yourself. You're now claiming that Denver would be a "great opportunity for him" after explicitly stating earlier that the main benefit Denver would get from the deal is acquiring Jarvis on a 1-year non-guaranteed deal that would allow them to wipe his salary off their books?

Just to refresh your memory:

"He would come off their books after 1 year or earlier if his one year deal was partially or completely non-guaranteed."

Nonsense. There's no reason in the world for Jarvis to agree to sign a 1-year, non-guaranteed deal with Washington (a team that just kicked him to the curb after 4 years) for the sole purpose of being traded to a team who (by your own, unrevised, scenario) would only be acquiring him to get cap relief.

And still, no savings for the Nuggets.

We done now?

Posted by: kalorama | July 12, 2007 3:29 PM | Report abuse

"Might want to think about pulling back on the "know it all" attitude while you're moving on. People are wrong all the time, you shouldn't take it so personally."

And why would I take you're being so thoroughly wrong personally? You might want to swallow a big dose of your own advice.

Posted by: kalorama | July 12, 2007 3:31 PM | Report abuse

>>>>>>>>>>
Watched the summer game and doc linkin, wherever you are, Dominic McGuire is fan bleepin tastic! He is absolutely tremendous on the defensive end and can make some plays on offense.
>>>>>>>>>>>

Props duly noted. The bandwagon is fully assembled and I'm collecting tickets for rides.

On Pech:

Histrionics and criticism is overblown right now. What folks got to get over is the idea that Pech is meant as the Wiz' answer at Center. He's not (now) and doesn't have to be (at all).

Initially Pesh just has to round into an effective sub for Jamison. And as far as Tawn is concerned the bar for 'improved defense' is pretty low. Be Big, keep your hands up, take up space, try a little bit, grab a few boards.

Pesh actually moves his feet pretty well in transition defense, though his lowpost footwork and technique need improvement. He needs to set a lower stance and use those legs to establish his spot. But one Big Man camp would put him on the right path.

True though, he has to get stronger in the upperbody, but do ya think it's possible he'll get a chance to add more weight with a Big League nutririon and weights program?

(-vs- the Ukrainian league where players still regularly light up their cigarettes after games).

He's a rookie. You don't expect much. His jumper is reliable, with nice range-- and as far as the Princeton sets subbing for Tawn, he's got a nice foundation & skill set.

With his attitude and work ethic, he'll improve no question. On offense he already finds the right spot on the floor, keeps his hands up, makes the right reads, makes smart passes, runs the offense.

And come on: nobody liked that in-bounds alley-oop play? How many of those have we run in the past few years? None. At all.

Pesh is fine, just don't have your expectations too high too early. Picture him as a bigger Jamison, fooling opposing teams into sending their 7 footers chasing him out to the 3pt line.

Blatche has the Princeton Center skill set. And he's the guy who manages to snatch loose rebounds underneath etc.

Between the two of them, and Jamison/Songaila we have the fixings of a good Princeton frontcourt we can use to add a few different Big looks to the team. We can actually afford to go Big now to improve our offense or 3pt shooting instead of switiching to smallball out of desperation.

Here: Fran Fraschilla has a good tutorial on how Princeton Big Men are supposed to be used.

Lowpost:
http://espn.go.com/ncb/2003/0304/1517990.html
Highpost:
http://espn.go.com/ncb/2003/0312/1522592.html

In these, picture:

Gil as the #2 (attacking/scoring guard)
Caron/Dominator #3
Pesh/Antawn #4
Bulletproof/Songaila #5

Doesn't matter in these sets who plays the #1, but if you set Nick out there it will ensure he stays guarded and keeps the lanes open.

Point is, we haven't seen any Princeton Big play up til now. But here we'll have the makings of an interesting, versatile, dynamic attack from all positions on the floor.

Posted by: doclinkin | July 12, 2007 3:32 PM | Report abuse

"Might want to think about pulling back on the "know it all" attitude while you're moving on. People are wrong all the time, you shouldn't take it so personally."

And why would I take your being so thoroughly wrong personally? You might want to swallow a big dose of your own advice.

Posted by: kalorama | July 12, 2007 3:33 PM | Report abuse

"When it comes to resigning him they have two choices: A multi-year extension or a 1-year qualifying offer. The 1-year qualifying offer is, by rule, fully guaranteed and, again by rule, he can't be traded during that following following year (at the end of which he'd become an unrestricted FA). Thus the only way the Wiz could include him in the trade would be to first sign him to a multi-year extension.

Posted by: kalorama | July 12, 2007 01:36 PM

-Incorrect.

"Jarvis is the Wiz's own restricted FA."
Posted by: kalorama | July 12, 2007 01:38 PM

-Incorrect

I can tell it bothers you, and thats the funniest thing of all.

Posted by: Monte | July 12, 2007 3:40 PM | Report abuse

I'm WAY better than darko mili...whatevr the hell his name is.

Posted by: Brenda | July 12, 2007 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Folks, there is a reason why every freaking team wants a 6'9" or bigger 4 or 5 banger that can REALLY rebound and play defense - because they're GOLDEN and rare! They're the hardest chip to acquire and if you already have one, you're not letting one go. EG knows that and even has said how hard they are to get. That's why he gambled on a 2nd round talented kid and drafted a couple of big Euros since all the big college kids are too well known and require major chips to draft/acquire them. This is a problem many teams have, especially in the East - so much so that 4's can play as 5's and not be at such a disadvantage. With that being said, if a big is out there and someone hadn't thrown crazy money their way - there's probably a reason why they're wary - be scared they're probably fool's gold.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 12, 2007 3:45 PM | Report abuse

"His one year deal could be partially or fully guaranteed. An un-guaranteed deal was the way to Max out savings for Denver, not a necessity. They still save money after 1 season."

You must have missed that part. Thus he wouldn't be kicked to the curb. As I explained he would take the roster spots formerly held by Dermarr Johnson among others and in exchange get one year to prove himself getting wide open jumpers as teams focus on AI and Melo.

Why wouldn't a player with Jarvis' history go to a team with that kind of opportunity?

Posted by: Monte | July 12, 2007 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Hey, Doc, cut the "Bulletproof" crap. How would you like it if someone took the worst moment of your life and turned it into your nickname?

Posted by: Joe | July 12, 2007 3:59 PM | Report abuse

don't mind him Monte, kal-el here likes to play the know it all and will do whatever is necessary to try to prove it even blatantly lie.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 12, 2007 3:59 PM | Report abuse

If there had to be one thing to blame on the meltdown it was Kyle Visser. The whole 4th quarter was one Visser foul after another as they would just attack him consecutively. It's only his 2nd pro game, and he can develop into a role player, but right now he's horrible.

Nick Young and Dominic Mcguire would feed him the ball, only to have him miss dunk after dunk. It wasn't Pecherov, it wasn't rotation defense, for that one game, it was Visser.

The whole 4th quarter was feed the ball to Visser on the inside, Visser's dunk gets rejected by the rim, run back to the other side of the court, Maxiell drives to the basket, Maxiell misses or makes the basket, Visser fouls.

How can he miss a wide open fast break dunk with a 6'3 guard chasing after him???

That had to be the most embarrassing highlight.

Here's hoping he improves in the next 3 games.

Posted by: tenken80 | July 12, 2007 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Ernie should have thrown in a cake to go with Kwame for Caron deal, instead Kwame had to go steal one..

Posted by: Anonymous | July 12, 2007 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Isn't "Bulletproof" a nickname Ivan was using for him last year? I could be wrong. If anyone has heard that AB doesn't like it, please say something because I've been using it for him all this time.

Posted by: The Owl Wizard | July 12, 2007 4:09 PM | Report abuse

>> How can he miss a wide open fast break dunk with a 6'3 guard chasing after him???

Because he was too far under the basket by the time the ball he caught the ball.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 12, 2007 4:17 PM | Report abuse

">> How can he miss a wide open fast break dunk with a 6'3 guard chasing after him???

Because he was too far under the basket by the time the ball he caught the ball"


And running too fast to be in control.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 12, 2007 4:33 PM | Report abuse

You must have missed that part.

Nope. Didn't miss it. Just wasn't germane to my point. And pointing it out doesn't help yours any.

Posted by: kalorama | July 12, 2007 4:33 PM | Report abuse

"Talks between Stevenson, Wiz heat up
Jul 12 - Jul 12 - The Washington Post reports that ... word in Las Vegas is that talks between the Wiz and DeShawn Stevenson have heated up and a deal could be close to finalized tonight. Washington Post"

It was nice knowing you, Juan Carlos

Posted by: Ray Chris. | July 12, 2007 5:04 PM | Report abuse

"Just wasn't germane to my point"

Holy crap this is great. Its like talking to a real life Beltway spin meister! Who else could so eagerly ignore the exact information (twice) while complaining that it doesn't exist! Again, well played. you could have just written "oops" again bit instead gave us all so much more.

Lets not forget, in your mind Jarvis is untradeable because he is a restricted free agent who can only sign his tender or sign an extension... AND he's also a unrestricted free agent who is so in demand that he wouldn't even consider a one year deal from a playoff team in desperate need for what he (supposedly) does best.

Posted by: Monte | July 12, 2007 5:08 PM | Report abuse

"Lets not forget, in your mind..."

You read minds now? Hopefully you'll be better at that than you've proven to be at trade scenarios.

"AND he's also a unrestricted free agent who is so in demand that he wouldn't even consider a one year deal from a playoff team in desperate need for what he (supposedly) does best."

Would that be the same playoff team who, according to you, would only be renting him for one year (if that) then letting him go to save a couple mill on the luxury tax? Yeah, I can see why he'd jump at the chance to used as a living, breathing tax deduction.

Seriously, you just need to stop. You're making yourself look even worse with every post.

Posted by: kalorama | July 12, 2007 5:40 PM | Report abuse

gentlemen
you two are easily THE BEST BEAT NBA BEAT WRITERS right now periond.
thanks for all the great articles and well written pieces

Posted by: bk | July 12, 2007 6:19 PM | Report abuse

gentlemen
you two are easily THE BEST BEAT NBA BEAT WRITERS right now periond.
thanks for all the great articles and well written pieces

Posted by: bk | July 12, 2007 6:19 PM | Report abuse

gentlemen
you two are easily THE BEST BEAT NBA BEAT WRITERS right now periond.
thanks for all the great articles and well written pieces

Posted by: bk | July 12, 2007 6:19 PM | Report abuse

>>>>>>>>>>>
Hey, Doc, cut the "Bulletproof" crap. How would you like it if someone took the worst moment of your life and turned it into your nickname?

Posted by: Joe
>>>>>>>>>>>>

How'dya think I got the nickname 'doc'?

Eh. Get over it. I call him whatever I want. The team calls him '50 cent' for the same reason (rap artist, gunshot survivor); Ivan calls him '32 cent'. How's that any better?

Nah, 'Bulletproof' sprang up on the RealGM board as a badge of honor for his resilience and survival. I think I made it up, but I could be wrong. I call him 'Proof as well (that one's definitely mine).

Personally I don't see where he'd have a problem with it unless he thought some people saw it as a challenge. Decided to put it to the test.

I'm of the theory that the more nicknames you have, the more well-liked you are (or the more known anyway).

The only qualm I got about it is that he hasn't yet shown and proved that his game is bulletproof-- hasn't fully owned the nickname-- but with his raw talents I got faith that he will, so I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt.

But in short: nuts to you. I'm sticking with the living 'Proof.

-doc dastardly

Posted by: doclinkin | July 12, 2007 8:08 PM | Report abuse

Where is the rule that says its Denver who has to sign him after 1 season? He's playing for the Nuggets, he can get paid by anyone and would if he put up decent numbers. Thats exactly what Steve Blake is did. The point is the opportunity.

Are you saying he can't raise his value and get a better deal from someone next year?

Better yet, do you believe he'll get a multi year guaranteed offer this offseason?

"you're embarrassing yourself."

and with that you just lowered yourself to the point of internet cliche. I thought you were taking your ball and going home? You can't, cuz you're still psst that you were wrong and you're know-it-all pride is damaged. poor thing.

Posted by: Monte | July 12, 2007 8:43 PM | Report abuse

Did "Talks between Stevenson and Wizards Heat Up" disappear from the Insider site? It's not longer anywhere on the homepage when I opened it up, and on the page on which I already had the article opened no new posts have been submitted for 30 minutes plus.

Posted by: Emmet | July 12, 2007 9:05 PM | Report abuse

Yeah Ivan called a 'do-over'. Seems like he jumped the gun on posting the DSteve deally. It's okay IC we appreciate the enthusiasm anyway, don't sweat it. We'd rather have an instant retraction than have you not paying attention at all.

--------------------

Here was my post on the DS-2 possible re-sign:
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So consensus is that DeShawn Stephenson is a below average NBA player. I can agree with that.

And the rumors suggest the Wiz FO wants to pay him somewhat below the average salary of a 'MidLevel' NBA player.

Sounds fair to me:

With DeShawn starting we had the best record in the EC at Al-star qualifying time. Sufficient wins were banked that the team was able to wobble into the postseason despite being down two allstars.

DS2 quickly blended in with the team -- despite the offense being a notoriously tough pick-up. Any FA we take (unless from Sactown, NO/OK, or Orlando) will take a while to 'get it' and the team will struggle.

The Squad is looking to rely on at least 3 fresh-scrubbed rookies this off-season, they'll need to blend in with the veteran chemistry and see how it's done.

Eyeballing a guy who can hit 50% from the field without demanding the ball seems like a good object lesson on how to blend with this playoff team. Good example.

Dude is undersized at the 2, but puts in work on defense. Yep, there's that dreaded 'effort' again. But hey, at least he tries hard...

Seems to me if the Wiz had had any depth whatsoever, they wouldn't have flamed out last year. They just worked themselves to the bone.

But you can't get depth just by adding a ton of rookies-- you have to have some continuity, some veteran leadership. Some upperclassmen to teach the freshmen how the coach runs the team.

And Unless we can flip Big Poet or whatnot for a veteran defender you're looking at a WYSIWYG situation. The same starting team this year as we had last year, with a talent upgrade on the bench, but no more gritty veterans except the starters. And a couple other guys.

But 'What You See' then is a playoff team who, when clicking, is as efficient as Pheonix; and 'What You Get' is a team with a core of young veterans who get along, without chemistry problems.

In 4 years I'm not so sure the 4 mil per year or whatever will look like much of a waste. Will probably seem like a fair contract even for a back-up veteran role-player.

I like JCN's championship experience. Yes he's got a certain veteran Pro aspect to him. Nice resume. But he'll be adjusting to the NBA somewhat as well. Defense especially. And as a starting 1 or 2 he'd be a slower, weaker version of Gil.

I think I'd rather have our starting 2-guard back for once. And get the capspace to sign bigger, better, veteran defenders with NBA playoff/championship resumes. If possible. Or a hi-test hungry all-star who wants a chance at a ring.

That's what I'm thinking right now.

Posted by: doclinkin | July 12, 2007 9:25 PM | Report abuse

If we keep D. Steve and Etan and Haywood how is that gonna make us better.
Everyone else is improving. Making the playoffs is good but how deep can we go with this team. Gotta make a change.
Summer league team looks just like the winter league wizards. some good plays lotsa bad ones and can't win. Love this blog.

Posted by: Sam H | July 12, 2007 9:41 PM | Report abuse

You made some great arguments doc, and if I thought we were a step or two away from being real contenders, I'd agree with you. Continuity and veterans that fit in with the team personality are great and necessary.

However, we're not winning the championship this season and probably not winning it next. Given that, who would you rather have in three years? DS2 or JCN?

Obviously the best thing to do would be to keep both, but that seems unlikely.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 12, 2007 9:46 PM | Report abuse

I say we just let Deshawn Stevenson walk becuase if he really wanted to be hear he would have took the $15million deal so then we can sign Devin Brown who plays just like stevenson and trade Haywood and Navarro for a first round pick and a conditional player and then we could sign a center like Jamal Magloire,Chris Mihm.

Posted by: dominique | July 12, 2007 9:50 PM | Report abuse

I say we just let Deshawn Stevenson walk becuase if he really wanted to be hear he would have took the $15million deal so then we can sign Devin Brown who plays just like stevenson and trade Haywood and Navarro for a first round pick and a conditional player and then we could sign a center like Jamal Magloire,Chris Mihm.

Posted by: dominique | July 12, 2007 9:50 PM | Report abuse

I say we just let Deshawn Stevenson walk becuase if he really wanted to be hear he would have took the $15million deal so then we can sign Devin Brown who plays just like stevenson and trade Haywood and Navarro for a first round pick and a conditional player and then we could sign a center like Jamal Magloire,Chris Mihm.

Posted by: dominique | July 12, 2007 9:50 PM | Report abuse

Doc:
I would expect nothing better from a guy who spends 10 hours a day chatting on the computer, and who obviously has no social skills. Get a life, zero.

Posted by: Joe | July 12, 2007 9:52 PM | Report abuse

Ivan, Clearly the title of your main article today entitled "Young continues to look like a sleeper" got scrambled. I believe it should have been corrected to say "McGuire continues to look like a sleeper" instead.

As the Wizards first round pick, and the 16th pick overall, clearly Nick Young is not considered a 'sleeper' by anyone. And, as the entire first half of the article is about McGuire, it's clear that the sleeper is not Young but indeed McGuire. Someone at the Post messed up big time here with the article title. Imagine how McGuire must feel if he reads it.

Hard to believe no one else spotted this and it still hasn't been corrected.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 12, 2007 10:39 PM | Report abuse

I know it's early, but I haven't been impressed by Opech. He looks very slow, like a skinnier, shorter Big Z, and likes to take long J's. I know Darko M. has not done anything in the league yet, but watching Darko play, he's way more fluid and comfortable around the basket, and doesn't suffer the "white sluggish big man" syndrome.

I know Opech picked up some weight/muscle since last season, but he needs to not gain any more weight less it has an impact on his ability to get by his guy or get his shot off. I think when Opech plays with Gilby and the rest of the starters, he's going to look even slower.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 12, 2007 10:46 PM | Report abuse

Joe, takes one to know one. Last I checked, picking fights about pointless nicknames in the comments section of the Washington Post Wizards blog isn't exactly the best demonstration of social skills.

Doc, never stop with your insights. I've really enjoyed reading them, and I'd be lying if they didn't make me consider my opinions when I blog. Now, if you'd be willing to post at BF a little bit more, instead of just registering and not commenting...

Posted by: Pradamaster | July 12, 2007 10:48 PM | Report abuse

CORRECTION, that should say RECONSIDER, not CONSIDER.

Posted by: Pradamaster | July 12, 2007 10:49 PM | Report abuse

Hey guys, wouldn't YOU like to be making so much money that you're virtually untouchable?

Think of me like Fort Knox
With dread-locks.
With plenty of 'tude and hands like rocks.
Hands so bad they'd fumble a bagel and lox.
(And on BH's house, a pox.)

Yours truly,
Poet

Posted by: Poet | July 12, 2007 11:00 PM | Report abuse

ESPN Rumour Central says a DeShawn deal could be done tonight... say it isn't so!

Posted by: oh no | July 12, 2007 11:29 PM | Report abuse

pecherov is scaring me, you can tell when somebody has game, and he doesn't.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 12, 2007 11:40 PM | Report abuse

Hopefully the prospective D-Stevenson deal leaves enough of the MLE to sign Navarro. Goodbye Jarvis, if you find your game somewhere else great. As long as you find yourself somewhere else.

Posted by: George Templeton | July 12, 2007 11:44 PM | Report abuse

"Folks, there is a reason why every freaking team wants a 6'9" or bigger 4 or 5 banger that can REALLY rebound and play defense - because they're GOLDEN and rare! They're the hardest chip to acquire and if you already have one, you're not letting one go. "

Dealt:
Tyson Chandler
Zach Randolph
Ben Wallace
Shaquille O'Neal
Eddy Curry
Chris Webber
Rashard Lewis
Al Harrington
Channing Frye
Darko Milicic
Alonzo Mourning

Shopped:
Pau Gasol
Andrew Bynum
Jermaine O'Neal
Kevin Garnett
Amare Stoudemire
Al Jefferson
Marcus Camby

Posted by: Emmet | July 12, 2007 11:59 PM | Report abuse

Emmet, that list is incredibly flawed.

Wallace and Darko were free agents the Wizards could not have afforded with their salary cap situation. Lewis and Harrington are forwards that don't fit the definition. Neither has averaged more than 8 rebounds per 40 minutes since the 2003/04 season. (By comparison, Brendan Haywood, a softie that supposedly can't rebound, has never averaged fewer than 8.4 rebounds/40 in his ENTIRE CAREER). I think we can safely say that Shaq, Webber, Curry, and Randolph are unusual cases; Shaq because of the LA Drama, Webber because of the buyout in Phily, Curry because of the heart problems, and Randolph because of all the off-court baggage. I can't remember when Zo was dealt last. You must be referring to the Vince Carter trade, which, if you are, is also an odd one to bring up, because Zo had been injured for much of the previous year and a half. Finally, Darko and Channing Frye...I really have nothing more to say.

The only guy who you may have a point with is Tyson Chandler, and he was only traded in a salary dump because of Chicago's acquisition of Big Ben. He also was coming off a pretty poor 2005/06 season.

Cherrypicking a small number of dubious examples doesn't really do much to change the truth that affordable two-way big men don't grown on trees. Not to mention that you chose some pretty poor examples

Posted by: Pradamaster | July 13, 2007 12:50 AM | Report abuse

Emmet, that list is incredibly flawed.

Wallace and Darko were free agents the Wizards could not have afforded with their salary cap situation. Lewis and Harrington are forwards that don't fit the definition. Neither has averaged more than 8 rebounds per 40 minutes since the 2003/04 season. (By comparison, Brendan Haywood, a softie that supposedly can't rebound, has never averaged fewer than 8.4 rebounds/40 in his ENTIRE CAREER). I think we can safely say that Shaq, Webber, Curry, and Randolph are unusual cases; Shaq because of the LA Drama, Webber because of the buyout in Phily, Curry because of the heart problems, and Randolph because of all the off-court baggage. I can't remember when Zo was dealt last. You must be referring to the Vince Carter trade, which, if you are, is also an odd one to bring up, because Zo had been injured for much of the previous year and a half. Finally, Darko and Channing Frye...I really have nothing more to say.

The only guy who you may have a point with is Tyson Chandler, and he was only traded in a salary dump because of Chicago's acquisition of Big Ben. He also was coming off a pretty poor 2005/06 season.

Cherrypicking a small number of dubious examples doesn't really do much to change the truth that affordable two-way big men don't grown on trees. Not to mention that you chose some pretty poor examples

Posted by: Pradamaster | July 13, 2007 12:50 AM | Report abuse

Prada, thank you for being the realist here. So many like Emmet here thinks being GM is the easiest job in the world and they all have the eye for the best talent.

You are still dealing with human elements, people change. Everyone and their grandmother would have said Chamique Holdsclaw was going to be one of the best women players in the world, but she lost that will, that intensity and she never even came close to her potential. Did anyone see that coming? Just an example.

As a GM, you are going to make some good calls and bad calls, hopefully your good calls outweigh your bad otherwise you're shipped out. It's so easy to speculate when your ass isn't on the line.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 13, 2007 9:30 AM | Report abuse

To top it off, Tyson Chandler had just signed a pretty big deal ($11M/yr?) with the Bulls before they shipped him out to squeeze in Ben Wallace's bigger contract. Even if you don't have to give the Bulls great players in that trade, you'd have to really think that contract is even tougher to swallow than Etan + Haywood's. In any case, you are definitely giving up a lot to acquire or draft a player like Chandler (who was #2 after infamous Kwame).

Posted by: Anonymous | July 13, 2007 9:47 AM | Report abuse

Emmet, are you kidding me? Half of those guys especially Curry, Randolph, and Lewis don't play a lick of defense and Curry doesn't even rebound. The guys being shopped are not going to be traded for scrubs, so to get them you'd have to gut your team to get them. How many years will it take for you to acquire more talent for that big man before he's no longer in his prime? Dillusional.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 13, 2007 9:53 AM | Report abuse

Prada:

Yeh, I registered and it wouldn't let me sign on. Checked cookies, they're enabled for BF so that ain't the issue. emailed you about it at the 'info@____' address but it bounced back. So eh, I gave up caring.

(But I was gonna give you a mild thrashing about your disappointment with the Gray non-draft vs. the Dominator. I had a ton of interesting and predictive statistics to suggest he'd be a productive player.)

---Reply to Joe, Etanic in nature---

As to me & life, Joe, social skills or not--
I deem your opinion useful as a bucket of snot
don't like me, fine, i won't term you a hater
hey I'll even cede you're the master-debater
...less a perhaps a syllable
And like Dray you be unkillable
or more like a roach
I won't bother to squash you
just don't like your approach.

See you in the next blog.

-doc.

Posted by: doclinkin | July 13, 2007 10:15 AM | Report abuse

golden doc! looks like the Poet has some competition...

Posted by: Anonymous | July 13, 2007 10:37 AM | Report abuse

Doc, suffice to say, I've come around on D-Mac.

Posted by: Pradamaster | July 13, 2007 5:15 PM | Report abuse

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