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KG to Boston?

The most talked about trade of the past two months - Kevin Garnett to Boston - is on the verge of being completed, according to multiple internet and newspaper reports. If this deal is completed, possibly as soon as this evening, if would mark the first blockbuster deal of a summer that has already seen Zach Randolph, Ray Allen and Jason Richardson traded.

Garnett, a 10-time all-star and 2004 league's most valuable player, has played for the Minnesota Timberwolves his entire 12-year career and appears willing to join the Boston Celtics, less than a month after his agent, Andy Miller, ruled out any deal to Boston. Of course, that was before the Celtics acquired Allen in a draft-day trade that sent former Georgetown star Jeff Green to Seattle.

The teams are reportedly rangling over which pieces will be involved in the deal. The initial reports had Al Jefferson, Gerald Green, Sebastian Telfair, Theo Ratliff and a No. 1 pick going to Minnesota in exchange for Garnett, but the Boston Globe is reporting that Ryan Gomes and a second first-round pick would be included so that the Celtics could retain Jefferson, the third-year 6-foot-10 forward who experienced a breakthrough season in 2006-07, averaging 16 points and 11 rebounds.

Miller told the St. Paul Pioneer Press that the trade rumors involving Garnett - whose name has also reportedly been mentioned in discussions with the Los Angeles Lakers and Phoenix Suns - has opened his client to the possibility of changing addresses.

"Everything that had gone on in the past probably was an awakening for him," Miller said. "He's fiercely loyal, as I've said before. He loves the team and the organization and the state of Minnesota and the fans. But I think everything that happened over the last two months probably was more of an awakening that Minnesota is looking to move in a different direction and it's time for him to look at his options, as well."

The Boston Herald is reporting that Garnett had already agreed in principle to terms on a contract extension with the Celtics. Garnett has two more years on his deal and will earn $22 million this season. A 15 percent trade kicker worth more than $6 million will be added to the deal.

Garnett would form an all-star trio with Paul Pierce and Allen in Boston, which immediately becomes a contender in the Eastern Conference. The Celtics finished with the second-worst record in the league last season and, despite winning an NBA-best 16 championships, they haven't won a title since 1986. They were last in the conference finals in 2002.

After years of building his franchise with no clear vision, Celtics president Danny Ainge is making it clear that he is looking to win now, abandoning the youth movement to go with Garnett, 31, Allen, 31 and Pierce, who will turn 30 in October. Those three players will earn close to $60 million combined next season, making the Celtics a luxury-tax paying team.

By Michael Lee  |  July 30, 2007; 4:18 PM ET
 
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Posted by: Anonymous | July 30, 2007 4:25 PM | Report abuse

WHAT?!!! If the Celtics pull off that trade - especially if they keep Jefferson - they will look like geniuses. That would be a dangerous team. And if Minnesota is going to offload Garnett for that little, why aren't the Wiz in on the action? How about the almighty JCN, JNC, or whatever the heck his name is and some other goodies such as Thomas and Daniels (note the sarcasm) for KG?

Posted by: Eric | July 30, 2007 4:27 PM | Report abuse

you know, mr Pollin likes to stand pat on every situation. he don't wanna to get above the luxury tax. if Arenas hadn't come out and rule that he would opt out of his contract then this team would probably be worst! i just wish we could at least move someone on our team while we still got a chance (jamison). anyway, our team will be the same as last year, count on our big three to carry the load and three other new rookies to help out!....same old wizards

Mr pollin...you're fired!

Posted by: mitch | July 30, 2007 4:42 PM | Report abuse

I wonder where all this leaves the Wizards. It seems this would vastly improve the Celtics. The Randolph trade may improve N.Y. If that's the case in both instances, where do the Wizards go. It seems to me, because of the team's recent history, the Wizards could find themselves slipping out of the playoff picture. Obviously, no games have been played, so there's no telling what any of this means, but it doesn't make it any less disconcerting.

Posted by: Colin | July 30, 2007 4:44 PM | Report abuse

All of you who get a kick out of being the first person to post...that is just juvenile and silly.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 30, 2007 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Michael i love this article but we can catch this on espn or nba.com can you tell ivan can he update us on juan calos navarro thank you

Posted by: brandon | July 30, 2007 4:46 PM | Report abuse

if minnesota doesn't at the very least get jefferson in the deal, mchale will officially go down as the WORST GM in nba history.

Posted by: JC | July 30, 2007 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Interesting.

One thing is for certain--Garnett, Pierce, and Allen--will be willing to put egos aside to win games. But three 30 year olds winning it all without any bench support?

Only in NBA Live, and the first round of the playoffs in the Eastern Conference.

No doubt though that these three will play to packed houses across the league--deservedly so. The Celtics will be making a fair share of money on the merchandising side as well. I just don't see how three of the league's best players can carry a team through the entire season and the playoffs without any bench support -- that is unless their very presence encourages free agents to come to Boston for a significant pay cut. That window though is closing fast for Boston.

This seems more like an act of desperation: building a fantasy team out of aging All-Stars -- rather than building an organization over time. This is a smart way to gin up team revenues over the short haul, but not a recipe for championships.

Of course time will tell.

Posted by: JPT | July 30, 2007 4:53 PM | Report abuse

I hear the Celtics are also looking to bring in Bruce Smith, Deion Sanders, and Jeff George.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 30, 2007 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Garnett is going to feel like he is playing by himself again when Allen and Pierce's legs start to feel cranky because the 3 of them are carrying the team.

How is it Garnett can talk contract extension with Boston 1) while he is under contract to the Wolves and 2) before opting out of his deal after this year?

Posted by: Stringer | July 30, 2007 5:02 PM | Report abuse

"One thing is for certain--Garnett, Pierce, and Allen--will be willing to put egos aside to win games. But three 30 year olds winning it all without any bench support?"

That's where the question of whether Jefferson or Gomes is included makes a huge difference. If the Celts keep Jefferson and use him to backup KG (and play some beside him) they'd be pretty formidable along the front line.

Posted by: kalorama | July 30, 2007 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Thanks Ivan, and thanks Kevin McHale and Danny Ainge
1) Great distraction from the Ref Scandal
2) Maybe changes the No Balls Association trend of the past several years

Posted by: Emmet | July 30, 2007 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Are we sure Vinnie Cerrato isnt actually behind this trade?

Can that golf cart he drives make it all the way to Boston?

Posted by: the cheat | July 30, 2007 5:20 PM | Report abuse

The Timberwovles ideal scenario would be to get an upcoming young player, 1st round draft picks, and an expiring contract, and not to mention send Garnett away from the west.

The wizards should have offered Jamison and his expiring contract. I believe it is at 16-17million. He is a great locker guy and can help the young timberwolves players. Also, Wiz can offer JNC (what you call Juan Carlos Navarro), Haywood's salary friendly contract, and a choice of Nick Young or future 1st round pick.

The salaries all match up and this would be a win win for both teams. I don't know why the Wiz did not get into the Garnett Sweepstatkes.

If I was the wiz I would have just told Timberwolves what and who do you want not including Arenas, Butler, and Blatche.

Posted by: Saiful | July 30, 2007 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Saiful, who do you think Minnesota would rather have:

A young, emerging big man in Al Jefferson, a solid young forward in Ryan Gomes, a swingman with tremendous potential in Gerald Green, the expiring deals of Theo Ratliff AND Sebastian Telfair (worth around 14-15 million), AND two first-round draft picks.

or

A declining Antawn Jamison and his expiring deal, a stagnant Brendan Haywood, a 27-year old unknown in Juan Carlos Navarro, and ONE first round pick.

Be honest, please. The answer is obvious.

Posted by: Pradamaster | July 30, 2007 5:27 PM | Report abuse

Saiful, who do you think Minnesota would rather have:

A young, emerging big man in Al Jefferson, a solid young forward in Ryan Gomes, a swingman with tremendous potential in Gerald Green, the expiring deals of Theo Ratliff AND Sebastian Telfair (worth around 14-15 million), AND two first-round draft picks.

or

A declining Antawn Jamison and his expiring deal, a stagnant Brendan Haywood, a 27-year old unknown in Juan Carlos Navarro, and ONE first round pick.

Be honest, please. The answer is obvious.

Posted by: Pradamaster | July 30, 2007 5:27 PM | Report abuse

Saiful, who do you think Minnesota would rather have:

A young, emerging big man in Al Jefferson, a solid young forward in Ryan Gomes, a swingman with tremendous potential in Gerald Green, the expiring deals of Theo Ratliff AND Sebastian Telfair (worth around 14-15 million), AND two first-round draft picks.

or

A declining Antawn Jamison and his expiring deal, a stagnant Brendan Haywood, a 27-year old unknown in Juan Carlos Navarro, and ONE first round pick.

Be honest, please. The answer is obvious.

Posted by: Pradamaster | July 30, 2007 5:27 PM | Report abuse

Apologies for the double-post.

Posted by: Pradamaster | July 30, 2007 5:37 PM | Report abuse

Don't worry, even with that three the team won't win unless they trade Doc Rivers and a bunch of first round picks to the Lakers for Phil Jackson. Best part would be the new Kobe tape.

Posted by: Jim | July 30, 2007 5:39 PM | Report abuse

Looking ahead to next year, I'm worrying more and more about the logic of not trading Jamison. Even after trading for J-Rich and re-signing Gerald Wallace, the Bobcats payroll for next year will be approx. $47 million. That will place them at least $20 million under the luxury tax going into next offseason.
Jamison will be a free agent next year.
Jamison spoke in early July to the Charlotte Observer about the possibility of finishing his career with the Bobcats.
"I asked him if he thought he might end his career with the Bobcats.
He took pains to say he was content playing for the Wizards, then added: 'It's not far-fetched whatsoever. I've got some good ties down here. ... I would love to come home and have the opportunity to play. If it happens, great. If not, I'm definitely happy with the situation in Washington.'"

Bobcats will have significant salary available for Jamison, and the Wizards who will resign Arenas to a max contract next summer will not have that space. Furthermore, Jamison wants to play for the
Bobcats, in his home state of North Carolina.

Sounds to me that there's a good chance we will lose AJ next summer for NOTHING, whereas we might have traded him this summer and got something in return.

Posted by: Emmet | July 30, 2007 5:48 PM | Report abuse

If that's all it will take to get Garnett, why wouldn't the Wizards offer Caron Butler and bad contracts for Garnett? That certainly would be a better offer for the garbage Boston is offering, and while losing Caron would hurt, he's no Garnett.

Posted by: Sean | July 30, 2007 5:50 PM | Report abuse

Several teams in the East seem to have gotten better while the Zards are standing pat. Are banking on leading the East at the 1/2 way point last year as meaning we don't need to make any moves????

Posted by: Jeff | July 30, 2007 5:55 PM | Report abuse

Here's where to find that article for anyone interested.
http://www.charlotte.com/sports/story/192578.html

And Pradamaster, check Ivan's post:
"the Boston Globe is reporting that Ryan Gomes and a second first-round pick would be included so that the Celtics could retain Jefferson"

The TWolves might only get Telfair, Gomes, Green, Ratliff, and two first-round picks.

I would say AJ, Haywood, JCN, NY would beat the Celtics foursome, and we could offer them the two draft picks as well.

Posted by: Emmet | July 30, 2007 5:57 PM | Report abuse

Here's where to find that article for anyone interested.
http://www.charlotte.com/sports/story/192578.html

And Pradamaster, check Ivan's post:
"the Boston Globe is reporting that Ryan Gomes and a second first-round pick would be included so that the Celtics could retain Jefferson"

The TWolves might only get Telfair, Gomes, Green, Ratliff, and two first-round picks.

I would say AJ, Haywood, JCN, NY would beat the Celtics foursome, and we could offer them the two draft picks as well.

Posted by: Emmet | July 30, 2007 5:57 PM | Report abuse

Guys, the Boston package is hardly garbage. They're giving up everything Minnesota is looking for -- a potential superstar low-post scorer to replace Garnett (Jefferson), some youngsters with upside (Gomes and Green), expiring contracts (Ratliff and Telfair), and draft picks. For a team looking to rebuild, Minnesota made out quite well.

Why would Minnesota want Caron Butler as the centerpiece of a deal when they already have so many guards (Brewer, Davis, Foye, Jaric, Hudson, Hassell, McCants)? Do you honestly think they're okay with going into next season with a frontcourt of Juwan Howard and Mark Blount?

Face it, the Wizards weren't getting Garnett. I'm sure Ernie tried, and Kevin McHale hung up the phone. Why would Minnesota accept the Wizards' offer when Boston was offering as much as they did?

Posted by: Pradamaster | July 30, 2007 5:58 PM | Report abuse

Here's where to find that article for anyone interested.
http://www.charlotte.com/sports/story/192578.html

And Pradamaster, check Ivan's post:
"the Boston Globe is reporting that Ryan Gomes and a second first-round pick would be included so that the Celtics could retain Jefferson"

The TWolves might only get Telfair, Gomes, Green, Ratliff, and two first-round picks.

I would say AJ, Haywood, JCN, NY would beat the Celtics foursome, and we could offer them the two draft picks as well.

Posted by: Emmet | July 30, 2007 5:58 PM | Report abuse

And that way we'd have the Real KG and the Poor Man's KG on the same team.

Posted by: Emmet | July 30, 2007 5:59 PM | Report abuse

Boston Herald updated most recently and says Gomes is part of the deal.

http://www.bostonherald.com/blogs/celtics/

Posted by: Pradamaster | July 30, 2007 6:05 PM | Report abuse

According to the Boston Herald, the T'Wolves are getting both Gomes and Jefferson. That's gonna leave the cupboard in Boston pretty bare once you get past the "Big 3."

Posted by: kalorama | July 30, 2007 6:09 PM | Report abuse

Anon 5:01 PM -- I would also add Mark Carrier. Different sport, but the same principle at work.

The more minutes the likes of Garnett, Allen, and Pierce have to play -- which they will by necessity -- the stronger the likelihood that one, or two, or all three of All Stars end up missing games, which adds one more monkey-wrench to Ainge's "master plan" (I still think this guy makes professional judgments based on advice from fan and NBA fantasy blogs).

Being able to keep Gomes or Jefferson would make a difference, but I think best case under even those circumstances would equal a shot at the Eastern Conference Finals; not a legitimate shot at the NBA Title.

If Ainge hits gold here, it won't be because of a brilliant game plan. It will be because the simplest, least ingenious plan is some times the right answer.

I still see a lot of problems with Ainge's approach to this one. People tend to go for broke out of desperation. Not because they have planned things out well, and are making moves based on the percentages.

Once again though--from a marketing perspective this is a brilliant move. Even though I don't think I'll see the Celtics during the Finals, Ainge has given NBA fans some pretty compelling reasons to go out of their way to catch the Celtics during the regular season this year. That wasn't the case a month ago.

Posted by: JPT | July 30, 2007 6:20 PM | Report abuse

It would make no sense for the Wolves to do this deal unless they got Jefferson in return. I mean, McHale can't be that bad at the GM game, can he?

Posted by: Colin | July 30, 2007 6:21 PM | Report abuse

That's rhetorical question, right Colin?

"People tend to go for broke out of desperation. Not because they have planned things out well, and are making moves based on the percentages."

That's been the story of Ainge's entire tenure in Boston. Not for one minute has it ever looked like he had an actual plan.

Posted by: kalorama | July 30, 2007 6:23 PM | Report abuse

You're right, Pradamaster, I can see Kevin McHale saying, "No thanks, we don't need Caron Butler. We already have Marko Jaric and Trenton Hassell."

I see Gomes being at most a bench player throughout his career, and Gerald Green might not even stick in the league -- he certainly is athletic, but hasn't shown much so far in his career. So Garnett is being traded for Jefferson, a bench guy, some expiring contracts, and two draft picks. In other words, Jefferson essentially is being traded straight up for Garnett. What a mess in Minnesota.

Posted by: Sean | July 30, 2007 6:25 PM | Report abuse

Even though they're still very thin right now beyond the Big 3, don't think that Boston will enter the year like that.

Remember, they still can use both their exceptions (MLE, LLE, vets minimum) to fill out their roster. They could use their mid-level to sign Brevin Knight to a short-term deal to hold the fort down at point until Rajon Rondo is ready. They could enter the JCN sweepstakes and offer someone like Perkins or Powe as the bait. They could hold onto Perkins, sign Knight, use their LLE on a cheap big man, and perhaps acquire some decent minimum-level players.

They'll still be relatively thin, but it's not like it's the Big 3 and a bunch of scrubs.

Of course, they need to go over the luxury tax to add any more players, but considering they're paying 60 million dollars for their Big 3, I'm sure the tax isn't a concern anymore.

Posted by: Pradamaster | July 30, 2007 6:27 PM | Report abuse

On a related topic, what are the odds that we see Peter John Ramos in a Celtics uniform this upcoming season?

My guess is that they just went up 10,000%.

Posted by: JPT | July 30, 2007 6:28 PM | Report abuse

Sean,

On the face of it, it doesn't look like Minnesota got a whole lot. But you can't just look at where they are right now. This deal is all about where they can get to over the next a year or so.

This trade gives them something they haven't had for the majority of Garnett's tenure in Minnesota, certainly not since the Joe Smith debacle: flexibility and movable assets. They've got a young potential all-star on a resonable deal (Jefferson), some young players with good upside (Gomes and Green), expiring contracts and multiple first round picks. This is just the first of many deals they'll be making over the next several months.

Could they possibly have traded Garnett for a big name "star" (with an equally big salary)? Sure. But to what end? They'd be in the same boat they were with Garnett: one great player taking up most of their cap surrounded by junk. The real purpose of this move is to set them back to ground zero so they can start rebuilding the right way.

Of course, for such a plan to really have a chance, you'd have to think the next move would be to fire McHale.

Posted by: kalorama | July 30, 2007 6:34 PM | Report abuse

Sean, you're missing the point.

Of course Caron Butler is better than anything Minnesota has on the wing, but if you're building a package, why would Minnesota want a wing as the centerpiece when they can get a younger, cheaper player with comporable ability at a premium position as the centerpiece?

Since when is all that cap room and picks "crap." Even if you don't think Gomes and Green are any good, they're better than what the Wizards can offer, unless Ernie was willing to sign and trade Blatche. The Ratliff and Telfair expiring deals create 14 million bucks of cap space, which will allow Minnesota to afford to sign guys like Foye, Jefferson, and Brewer to extensions down the road.

Even if you think it's crap, the Wizards could not have done much better. Their centerpiece (Butler) to you proposed deal is worth less to Minnesota than Jefferson. Unless the Wizards throw in Blatche, the Gomes/Green combo is better as far as complimentary youngsters. Unless Jamison is part of the deal, Boston has us beat with expiring deals, and the draft picks would likely yield equal value. You might think Boston's package is crap, but any Wizards package would be even worse.

Posted by: Pradamaster | July 30, 2007 6:39 PM | Report abuse

If the deal is as reported in the Boston Herald and Gomes and Jefferson are both included Mchale didn't make out to bad for a player they stood to lose next year anyway.
Boy, I'd love to be around Kobe with a camera phone when he hears the news. Talk about an instant million hits on the Web!
On paper Ainge's deals look good in that he's brought in two allstars. But Peirce and Allen have been having injury problems in recent years and it looks like they could have to log heavy minutes because their bench could look like last year's Wizard's bench. In fact if I were Ruffin's agent I'd be on the phone to Boston right now.
The Wizards didn't have a player like Jefferson to offer as the center peice of a Garnett deal so guys we weren't in the mix even if we wanted to be.

Posted by: GM | July 30, 2007 6:42 PM | Report abuse

My point is simply this. Look back on the deal to trade Barkley to Phoenix for spare parts. Philly fans will tell you about that one. If you are going to trade Garnett, you better get something more than a bunch of junk or a bunch of potential. Jefferson is an attractive player, but McHale needs to think about how he is going to sell this sale to his fans. If he acquired Caron, he could say he got an all-star. With Jefferson, he got only potential. Plus, keep in mind that Caron is locked up for a while, but Jefferson has only two more years on his deal and he can hit the road. You just can't trade Kevin Garnett for draft picks and cap room. I wonder if the Wolves can negotiate an extension with Jefferson now. If so, they definitely should do so before the finalize the deal.
Maybe the Wizards couldn't put a better deal together, but I was merely throwing that out as an example of a better deal compared to what Boston seems to be offering.

Posted by: Sean | July 30, 2007 6:55 PM | Report abuse

GM and Pradamaster, I agree with both of you as far as the Wizards v. Garnett are concerned. The Wizards would have needed to blow up the franchise to get him, so it wouldn't have been worth it.

My only real concern here as far as the Wizards go is in reference to Blatche. If the Celtics are sitting on cap space now, and are looking to sign the best available talent NOW -- I have to wonder if the might to a look at Blatche. He's got good upside, and could contribute off the bench.

Posted by: JPT | July 30, 2007 7:11 PM | Report abuse

you all know mr Pollin likes to stand pat on every situation. he doesn't want to get above the luxury tax. if Arenas hadn't come out and rule that he would opt out of his contract then this team would probably be even worst! i just wish we could at least move someone on our team while we still got a chance (jamison). anyway, our team will be the same as last year, count on our big three to carry the load and three other new rookies who never play a single NBA game to help us out!....same old wizards. HE DIDN'T EVEN WANT TO CHANGE THE WIZ UNIFORM...IT BEEN SO LONG SINCE WE HAVE THIS UNI (10YEARS), WE SHOULD AT GET A NEW DESIGN...ENOUGH SAID...

Mr pollin...you're fired!

Posted by: mitch | July 30, 2007 7:16 PM | Report abuse

Mitch, not only was your comment ridiculous, but you're also wrong on the last count.

http://www.bulletsforever.com/story/2007/7/28/84547/4074

Notice the slight changes in the color scheme.

Posted by: Pradamaster | July 30, 2007 7:25 PM | Report abuse

Boston will be good for now, but when Garnett starts declining rapidly in a couple of years and Al Jefferson is blossoming into one of the best frontcourt players in the NBA, the Celtics will regret this deal. KG has a lot of miles on the odometer, his NBA age is older than his real one, and I would not trade Caron (and whatever else) to get him.
I can't believe I am saying this, but Kevin McHale actually did something competent.

Posted by: George Templeton | July 30, 2007 7:34 PM | Report abuse

Wizards fans who want change just for the sake of change ought to just stick to being Redskins fans.

Posted by: Bart | July 30, 2007 7:52 PM | Report abuse

"Boston will be good for now....."

George, the Celtics can and will compete for a championship now. The east sucks.

As I said in the previous blog, this is what EG gets for sitting on his hands. The Wiz never play Boston well, Pierce always has career games against them(I don't wanna here it Lisa).

Do you really think they are going to beat them with Allen and KG added to the mix? I hope so, but I doubt it.

Barring injury they will be there at the end. Before anyone gives me any BS about lack of "depth" all the Bulls had were Pippen, Jordan, and Rodman....that's it.

Mmmm.

- Ray

Posted by: Ray | July 30, 2007 7:52 PM | Report abuse

But would Boston really offer the full MLE to Blatche which would end up costing 11-12m per year for potential?
I don't think they would wrap up that much money to get upside to team with their Vets, I'd think they'd be trolling for some low cost vets to fill out their bench and get some guys to contribute now.
I wouldn't worry too much about Boston making a run at Blatche. Ernie may have been waiting for the Garnett deal to break the log jamb. Things could start to move in the league now. LA's got to be feeling the heat to be making a move now.
Ernie's at the table he's holding some cards and people are ready to deal, I don't preceive that he's been doing nothing. He may yet be able to harvest some useable parts from a Navarro package. The Boston/Minn. deal may have some upside for us in the end.

Posted by: GM | July 30, 2007 7:54 PM | Report abuse

Expiring contracts, a promising low post presence, potential in gerald green and a draft pick? I'd say McHale did a better job than the 76ers trading away their franchise player, and this could potentially be their karmic retribution for the herschel walker trade.
Danny Ainge... you're on the hotseat... and did anyone mention that Pierce and Ray Allen have both been plagued by injuries?

Posted by: greek mike | July 30, 2007 8:05 PM | Report abuse

to Pradamaster: c'mon, the jersey is just a slight change, not an entire makeover! i saw it already and it just that gold color change to copper, look at the lowly team like the Hawks!

Posted by: mitch | July 30, 2007 8:19 PM | Report abuse

yeah, the wiz jersey needs an entire makeover, not just that gold strip color to copper, but i mean the entire uniform..

Posted by: jackie | July 30, 2007 8:25 PM | Report abuse

kalorama

I agree. The only way Minnesota could start from scratch was to get rid of Garnett for picks and cap room. IF they get Jefferson (and that has not been finalized yet), it would only be a bonus.

I'm glad for Garnett ; but I'm not sure he's gonna be in any better situation at Boston. Allen and Pierce are both older guys with a lot of mileage. Both are starting to break down.

Everyone here in Washington knows what happens when one (or more) of your "Big 3" gets injured and you have a weak bench. I think everyone in Boston will find out as well.

Posted by: Rook | July 30, 2007 8:31 PM | Report abuse

Ray - that is the key phrase right there - "Barring injury".

Ainge is banking on Garnett, Pierce and Allen lasting the whole year. Because, let's face it, they won't have much else.
This is a deperate act. Win now, at any cost to the future.

Another thought:
If Jefferson is not part of the deal, and Minnesota was just looking for picks and cap room, the Wiz could have offered Jamison (expiring $16M contract, 20ppg, 8rpg), Blatche & Young (good upside), and two future 1st round picks. Maybe throw in the rights to JCN. Seems to be at least as good as the Boston offer. We're gonna lose Jamison to Charlotte next year anyway.

Thoughts?

Posted by: Rook | July 30, 2007 8:44 PM | Report abuse

Hmmm... Forget that last thought. Can't trade either Blatche or Young... Forgot about the league rule that says you can't trade a newly signed free agent (or 1st round draft pick) until December 15th.

Doubt Minnesota would be interested in just Antawn's expiring contract, JCN....and picks.

Posted by: Rook | July 30, 2007 8:50 PM | Report abuse

Pradamaster,

If this was the real deal then maybe it would be a better deal than the wiz:
"A young, emerging big man in Al Jefferson, a solid young forward in Ryan Gomes, a swingman with tremendous potential in Gerald Green, the expiring deals of Theo Ratliff AND Sebastian Telfair (worth around 14-15 million), AND two first-round draft picks."

but from what I'm reading Al Jefferson might not even be in the deal.

If Jefferson is not included in the deal then Jamison, JNC, Haywood, Nick Young and a future 1st rounder is a better deal.

Although what you proposed for the celtics is better than what I proposed for the wiz, are you really serious about what you said about most of the celtic's players?

I mean are you the VP of Marketing for the celtics? You are selling the celtics roster as can't miss assets? They had the 2nd worst record in the league last year. Gomes and Gerald Green are nothing but bench players on an average mediocre team. And Jamison's expiring contract is better than Telfair and Ratliff because Jamison not only provides an expiring contract but he can also PLAY. They can also attempt to try to sign Jamison to an extension.

So would you have an expiring contract in which you are probably going to buy the contracts out and never play a minute for you or an expiring contract where the guy can actually play.

"Be honest, please. The answer is obvious."


Posted by: Anonymous | July 30, 2007 8:58 PM | Report abuse

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think we can sign-and-trade Blatche.
I think there's a league rule that says you can't trade a newly signed free agent until December 15th.

As for Nick Young, we can't trade him for 30-days.

correct?

Posted by: Rook | July 30, 2007 9:08 PM | Report abuse

That is the deal. Obviously you need to consume different news.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2954127

It would be mighty hard for me to both simultaneously be a Wizards blogger (www.bulletsforever.com) and the VP of marketing for the Celtics (though I'd love to juggle the blogging gig and a spot with any NBA team if I could).

I mean, yeah, as an expiring deal, Jamison is better than Ratliff/Telfair, but Jamison is also the centerpiece of your deal and is nowhere near as attractive a piece as Jefferson. Beyond that, even if you accept that Green and Gomes are "bench players" (which I don't disagree with), what pieces can the Wizards offer that are more attractive? Gomes is already a solid young forward. His PERs the last two years are 14 and 13.7, which are quite decent for any youngster, much less a second-round pick. He's a decent scoring 3/4 type that could be useful for the Timberwolves. Green hasn't proven nearly as much, but if he finally figures it out, he does have a lot of potential. Who can the Wizards offer that's more attractive? Juan Carlos Navarro? Yes, but who else? Brendan Haywood? AD? Why would Minnesota want those guys? A sign-and-traded Blatche would be intriguing for Minnesota due to his incredible upside, but he's not nearly as good as Gomes is right now (emphasis on right now), and I don't think the Wizards had any plans to trade him.

Any way you slice it, there's no way the Wizards could have offered anything remotely close to the Celtics package, so can we please stop talking about that? It's a waste of everyone's energy.

Posted by: Pradamaster | July 30, 2007 9:28 PM | Report abuse

That is the deal. Obviously you need to consume different news.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2954127

It would be mighty hard for me to both simultaneously be a Wizards blogger (www.bulletsforever.com) and the VP of marketing for the Celtics (though I'd love to juggle the blogging gig and a spot with any NBA team if I could).

I mean, yeah, as an expiring deal, Jamison is better than Ratliff/Telfair, but Jamison is also the centerpiece of your deal and is nowhere near as attractive a piece as Jefferson. Beyond that, even if you accept that Green and Gomes are "bench players" (which I don't disagree with), what pieces can the Wizards offer that are more attractive? Gomes is already a solid young forward. His PERs the last two years are 14 and 13.7, which are quite decent for any youngster, much less a second-round pick. He's a decent scoring 3/4 type that could be useful for the Timberwolves. Green hasn't proven nearly as much, but if he finally figures it out, he does have a lot of potential. Who can the Wizards offer that's more attractive? Juan Carlos Navarro? Yes, but who else? Brendan Haywood? AD? Why would Minnesota want those guys? A sign-and-traded Blatche would be intriguing for Minnesota due to his incredible upside, but he's not nearly as good as Gomes is right now (emphasis on right now), and I don't think the Wizards had any plans to trade him.

Any way you slice it, there's no way the Wizards could have offered anything remotely close to the Celtics package, so can we please stop talking about that? It's a waste of everyone's energy.

Posted by: Pradamaster | July 30, 2007 9:28 PM | Report abuse

That is the deal. Obviously you need to consume different news.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2954127

It would be mighty hard for me to both simultaneously be a Wizards blogger (www.bulletsforever.com) and the VP of marketing for the Celtics (though I'd love to juggle the blogging gig and a spot with any NBA team if I could).

I mean, yeah, as an expiring deal, Jamison is better than Ratliff/Telfair, but Jamison is also the centerpiece of your deal and is nowhere near as attractive a piece as Jefferson. Beyond that, even if you accept that Green and Gomes are "bench players" (which I don't disagree with), what pieces can the Wizards offer that are more attractive? Gomes is already a solid young forward. His PERs the last two years are 14 and 13.7, which are quite decent for any youngster, much less a second-round pick. He's a decent scoring 3/4 type that could be useful for the Timberwolves. Green hasn't proven nearly as much, but if he finally figures it out, he does have a lot of potential. Who can the Wizards offer that's more attractive? Juan Carlos Navarro? Yes, but who else? Brendan Haywood? AD? Why would Minnesota want those guys? A sign-and-traded Blatche would be intriguing for Minnesota due to his incredible upside, but he's not nearly as good as Gomes is right now (emphasis on right now), and I don't think the Wizards had any plans to trade him.

Any way you slice it, there's no way the Wizards could have offered anything remotely close to the Celtics package, so can we please stop talking about that? It's a waste of everyone's energy.

Posted by: Pradamaster | July 30, 2007 9:29 PM | Report abuse

I just wanted to see how far before an assinine comment of the Wiz getting into the picture. If they get jefferson, the kid Green, and some picks Minnesota will at least have a young nucleaus.

Posted by: RobGreg | July 30, 2007 9:36 PM | Report abuse

that's what this blog is all about Pandamaster! to share everybody ideas even if it's seem ridiculous...even though you are not interested, i'm sure there are many other people who would like to read and given an idea for this ongoing conversation.

Posted by: jackie | July 30, 2007 9:37 PM | Report abuse

Anon 8:58 PM, if the T'Wolves don't get Jefferson, then, yeah, this is probably not the greatest deal for the T'Wolves.

If I'm in rebuilding mode though and looking at a 3 to 5 year horizon, rather than a 1 to 2 year horizon, then I would go Jefferson over Jamison without any thought, and Jefferson over Butler, if you're also throwing in a 1st rounder, a quality bench player in Gomes, and a guy with some upside in Green (and the expiring contracts). Both Green and Gomes have youth on their side. In 3 to 5 years they could develop into quality pros -- Gomes in particular looks like he could be a quality rotation player on a good team.

Haywood, Jamison, JNC -- in 3 to 5 years all of those guys are likely past their prime -- and only one of those guys is really a proven cornerstone player. Nick Young? Sure he looks like a promising talent, but Jefferson has proven himself at the pro level. Also I'll take a 6'10" guy with Jefferson's skill set over even most proven perimeter players.

So you're basically offering me aging talent and some unproven potential. In 4 to 5 years there's a good chance that I could end up with nothing. On the other hand, if I get Jefferson, Gomes, Green, expiring contracts, and a 1st rounder; there's a pretty good chance that I'll end up with a guy who's already proven that he's among the top players at his position--he may not be a perennial All-Star level, but he's still among the top 15 forwards right now and he's only 22; I get at least one quality bench player; and I have a 1st rounder which could develop into something as well.

The key factor here is Jefferson. The only thing that the Wizards have that is comparable is Caron Butler. Right now Butler is a more complete player than in Jefferson, but 3 to 5 years from now? If I'm in a rebuilding mode I go with Jefferson.

Posted by: JPT | July 30, 2007 9:50 PM | Report abuse

Jackie, there's a difference between discussion and needless Monday Morning Quarterbacking.

There's a hell of a lot to talk about here, and I definitely think this will have an interesting effect on the Wizards (which I'll post shortly), but revisionist history is something I personally don't want to have anything to do with.

Posted by: Pradamaster | July 30, 2007 10:00 PM | Report abuse

Every team that is not the Celtics should be furious right now. I know I am with the Wizards. Is that all it took? Really?

Al Jefferson, Gerald Green, Ryan Gomes, Sebastian Telfair, Theo Ratliff and at least one first-round pick.

You're telling me, to get a 7 foot monster who is barely 30 and makes whatever team he goes to a contender, all I needed was to give up that?

I was given a lot of grief not too long ago about how "This isn't fantasy basketball" and "that doesn't happen in real life." And all I see are teams getting better except for us.

How about Caron Butler, Andray Blatche, Brendan Haywood, next year's top pick and AD for KG? Or the rights to JNC, Blatche Butler and next year's pick? Come on! They were about to cut Telfair after his SECOND gun charge.

Abe Pollin, we cannot continue like this. We are about to waste Gilbert Arenas. Now we have the Celtics, Cavs, Pistons, and Heat ahead of us, and the Nets, Raptors and Magic got a lot better. The curse of Les Boulez people. It's back. Get ready for the "Lakers Land Free Agent Crown Jewel Arenas" headlines next offseason. Then we've got a starting five of Darius Ican'tjumphighya, Andray Blitch, Brendan Haywood, Yevgeny Techtarnov and Nick Young.

Posted by: The Governor | July 30, 2007 10:21 PM | Report abuse

Every team that is not the Celtics should be furious right now. I know I am with the Wizards. Is that all it took? Really?

Al Jefferson, Gerald Green, Ryan Gomes, Sebastian Telfair, Theo Ratliff and at least one first-round pick.

You're telling me, to get a 7 foot monster who is barely 30 and makes whatever team he goes to a contender, all I needed was to give up that?

I was given a lot of grief not too long ago about how "This isn't fantasy basketball" and "that doesn't happen in real life." And all I see are teams getting better except for us.

How about Caron Butler, Andray Blatche, Brendan Haywood, next year's top pick and AD for KG? Or the rights to JNC, Blatche Butler and next year's pick? Come on! They were about to cut Telfair after his SECOND gun charge.

Abe Pollin, we cannot continue like this. We are about to waste Gilbert Arenas. Now we have the Celtics, Cavs, Pistons, and Heat ahead of us, and the Nets, Raptors and Magic got a lot better. The curse of Les Boulez people. It's back. Get ready for the "Lakers Land Free Agent Crown Jewel Arenas" headlines next offseason. Then we've got a starting five of Darius Ican'tjumphighya, Andray Blitch, Brendan Haywood, Yevgeny Techtarnov and Nick Young.

Posted by: The Governor | July 30, 2007 10:21 PM | Report abuse

"How about Caron Butler, Andray Blatche, Brendan Haywood, next year's top pick and AD for KG?"

McHale would have hung up the phone before Ernie got out the second syllable in Haywood's first name.

Posted by: kalorama | July 30, 2007 10:39 PM | Report abuse

Anybody who's gaga over KG is wasting their time. As good as an individual player he is, he's done nothing to carry his team, and the year when they did have success in the playoffs, they wouldn't have had it without Sam Cassell.

He's going to do some things in Bahston, but only b/c Pierce is there too. Both guys are in the twilight of their careers and I say they have a window of 2 years to do something before it comes crashing down.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 30, 2007 10:44 PM | Report abuse

I dunno what this trade has to with the Wizards--or why it was even a blog post here. Boston was terrible last season. Did anyone here actually watch any of their games? I did, and half of what Minnesota got was pretty worthless. Garnett, in spite of a strong supporting cast a few years ago--when he was younger and a lot more dominant--wasn't enough to get Minnesota into the ranks of the elite. With the depleted and aging crew he'll join in Boston, he'll do no better. So all this talk about trades the Wizards missed out on sounds pretty star-struck to me.

Personally, I'd rather see a tough, disciplined, and balanced squad assembled from the ground up than one full of 'stars' anyway. Teams that have continuity and good chemistry really do win more titles than pre-fab ones stuffed with prima donnas--when they're well-coached, anyway. Even with Garnett, the Wizards still wouldn't A. get the ball inside or B. play defense-- because they're missing that last ingredient. Grunfeld needs to trade for a decent coach, not another big name.

And lastly, for those here who claim we need one because Arenas is leaving--aren't you pretty much the same people who were just complaining about Stevenson's contract? Think that wasn't just the first step in retaining Arenas?

Posted by: KTV | July 30, 2007 11:01 PM | Report abuse

Jeez guys no faith in EG in here whatsoever. If it were Vinny I might second guess. Three past their prime all-stars and nothing else. I don't see it working. What happens when one gets hurt? Garnett is actually 35 in real years. He's got more tread than goodyear!

We did not get better with McGuire, Young, and another year of experience for Blatche and Songalia (in the system and healthier). I don't see us as championship material yet, but I see a well designed team built to compete for the long haul.

Let's see Caron (who is a small forward by the way), a 26 year old all-star who gets better every year vs an aging all-star with one or two years left

Posted by: Rob P | July 30, 2007 11:15 PM | Report abuse

Boston was lousy last season because of (A) injuries and (B) inexperience. They had lots of young guys who were still learning. Problem was that Ainge and Rivers are on the hot seat. They need results now. The T'Wolves can afford to be patient with the likes of Gomes, Jefferson, and Green (assuming they don't turn around and trade them, which is very possible). The Celtics need to live for the now. Anyone expecting the Wolves to be a vastly improved team next season is kidding themselves. But that wasn't what this deal was about for Minnesota.

As for Garnett not lifting the T'Wolves ... how bad would they have been without him? The Wolves played in the toughest conference in the league, where for most of the last decade about 4 or 5 teams pretty much had a stranglehold on the top 4 playoff spots. Plus, aside from that one year with Cassell and Spree, he never had any quality help.

The Celtics play in a weak division in a weak conference with no dominant team. Their path to the Finals has a lot fewer obstacles than the T'Wolves' did. And now Garnett is playing with two perennial all-stars. Now, if they do get to the Finals, they (like every other East team) would be heavy underdogs. But you gotte get there first, and Garnett's chances are better now than they've ever been.

Posted by: kalorama | July 30, 2007 11:22 PM | Report abuse

Before you jump to conclusions and post how great of a mistake this is for the wiz by not making a leap and trading for KG, think about how much it would destroy our entire roster.

Beyond Boston's big 3 of next year, look at who they have filling out the starting spots and backup roles.

Kendrick Perkins
Brian Scalibrine
Tony Allen
Rajon Rondo
Leon Powe

Barely a squad of 5 out there worth starting around the Boston Baked 3, much less a team that can support them in the mid-season 4th quarter game in which Gilbert goes scorching the old, decrepit, nightly-aging, 48-minute-a-game legs of Ray Allen (who was just guarding D-Wade last night and Kobe the night before that) trying to guard him. Swap that for whoever Brian Scalibrine is guarding in crunchtime and I'm 100% fine with it, too.

Granted, they still have the MLE and LLE to spend on a couple free agents who will mortgage the upcoming season to try for a 'ship in the JV East (Chris Webber, I assume), but after looking at how depleted their roster would be after selling their souls for KG, I just don't see how they can put together a squad that is going to compete night-in and night out the whole upcoming season.

If i remember correctly, both Gilbert and the Big Ticket said in the commercial... "...but I believe it takes 5..."

But you're not a fool, are you?

Posted by: Houey | July 30, 2007 11:24 PM | Report abuse

"Garnett is actually 35 in real years. He's got more tread than goodyear!"

How so? Guy's been in the league 12 years and only gotten out of the first round once. He's had plenty of rest compared to other perennial all-stars of similar vintage.

Posted by: kalorama | July 30, 2007 11:26 PM | Report abuse

The celtics is now probably the top three teams in the east, maybe even the top two behind pistons, yeah, i still put pistons as my#1 :P) hope we will hear the news about JCN soon!

Posted by: mitch | July 30, 2007 11:40 PM | Report abuse

The celtics is now probably the top three teams in the east, maybe even the top two behind pistons ( yeah, i still put pistons as my#1 :P) hope we will hear the news about JCN soon!

Posted by: mitch | July 30, 2007 11:40 PM | Report abuse

Ivan/Michael:

Can we get ome update about OUR team? None of this NBA ref scandel or I had a rough flight from Malaysia or something. If I want that, I'll go to ESPN. What about JCN (or JNC as you like to call him), Dray, any possible trades, free agents? I mean, I know it's the offseason, but come on...

Look at the Redskins blogger, Jason LaCanfora. He blogs 2, 3, 4 times a day - and the Skins just started camp! When he doesn't blog, he offers a guest blog or something. Surely you TWO could do something similar. Not 3 or 4 days off in the height of free agent season.

And then people wonder why there is no groundswell of Wizards fever...geez

Posted by: Mo (Cleveland) | July 31, 2007 12:10 AM | Report abuse

i agree with you mo about the lack of wizards content, but don't ever, ever downplay something that happened like that. wouldnt you be a little shaken? and what the hell are they gonna say anyway, all quiet on the western front?

Posted by: greek mike | July 31, 2007 12:58 AM | Report abuse

greek mike:

Perhaps I over reacted. For that, I apologize. Yes, I too would have been equally shaken.

However, when there are TWO WP Wiz bloggers, why must I find out that Randy Ayers is one of our new assistant coaches from ESPN or RealGM? Same for Tommy T's departure. This information should be easily had from two beatwriters who have 'sources on the inside'.

This info should not be blogged about three or four days later.

Posted by: Mo (Cleveland) | July 31, 2007 1:19 AM | Report abuse

Hey, if there's no news, then there's no news.

Means we can just go on speculating:
Rights to JCN to the Lakers for Kobe, anyone?

Posted by: Rook | July 31, 2007 1:21 AM | Report abuse

77th POST!
Yeaahh!

Posted by: Anonymous | July 31, 2007 5:02 AM | Report abuse

To the folks complaining about lack of content and non-Wizards content on this blog:

1. I agree that lately there hasn't been enough to get a Wizards fix, but sometimes there is no news. Sometimes you guys sound like lame little boys waiting by the phone for this girl they like to call, whimpering when she doesn't. Last summer the Post didn't cover the Wizards at all, so we had to turn to other sources. The coverage this summer is so much better.

2. A KG trade to Boston IS Wizards news. That trade would alter the East landscape significantly.

Posted by: Sean | July 31, 2007 6:01 AM | Report abuse

And I see that Bill Simmons agrees with my much-criticized opinions above:

"My NBA guide claims that McHale retired from the Celtics in 1993, but apparently that's a misprint. How else could you explain his decision to trade Kevin Garnett to Boston for the Al Jefferson pu pu platter deluxe? Just five weeks ago, McHale and Minnesota couldn't close a potential deal in which they received Jefferson and Boston's No. 5 pick. Now? They're settling for Jefferson (a potential franchise player), Ryan Gomes (an intangibles guy who's useless on a bad team), Bassy Telfair (a year away from signing in Italy), Gerald Green (a homeless man's J.R. Smith), Theo Ratliff's expiring deal, a 2009 lottery-protected No. 1 pick (congrats on picking in the mid-20s) and the return of Minny's future No. 1 that was stupidly included in the Ricky Davis/Mark Blount-Wally Szczerbiak trade.

Basically, McHale traded one of the best 25 players ever -- at the tail end of his prime!!! -- for Jefferson (a free agent in two years), one year of Gomes (a free agent in '08, when he'll be leaving treadmarks on his way out of Minnesota), a harmless pick and a do-over for a pick he never should have traded. Last month, McHale walked away from the No. 5 pick in the deal. This month, he couldn't even get Boston to throw in Rajon Rondo."

Posted by: Sean | July 31, 2007 6:04 AM | Report abuse

jeh,

i like the person who said that this forum is for everyone to share their crazy ideas... really?

OK. My idea is this: Ray is an old codger who wishes EG would bet the farm so he can see a redskins-esque retirement party blow up before he kicks. I'm drinking to Ray's lack of gainful employment in the NBA.
chug-a-lug.

I sweat Garnet, but as business 101 learns us: No 1 deal is ever worth everything.

This deal makes perfect sense for Boston. Ahh-whhhhy? Weeeelll because they have nothing to lose. That is not the case with Washington. Here is a tip when you negotiate, the more you have, the more they want. You smarties who have a deal the T-wolves can't refuse forget, that the t-wolves can see all the fruit in the tree.

Just deal with the reality that if the T-wolves would have been 'smart' enough to make that trade you dreamed up they would probably be named Ray, and would be spending their time posting wacky critiques of EG on this board... not employed in the NBA. (pssst) yeah? you heard that right.

We have yet to see boston take the floor for the 82nd game of this coming season, and I am yet to be convinced that 3 exceptionally talented players can beat the whole NBA on their own. We need our young guys to develop, and boston needs... well their young guys. If you have any questions about that, try rooting for boston. McHale has made a Wes Unseldian mess out of that franchise, and EG is in the process of unraveling one of those here.

My idea says your idea stinks, and your idea says this is the place to tell you. So we are one big happy family. Caron butler is dope, GA is the real thing, AJ gives us more than you know, We have young talent, and good management... good things are in our future.

We are finally getting to the point where the draft can add talent to the bench and put pressure on under-performing players.

Just ease away from the keyboard for a second, count to 10, imagine some trade involving Ruffin for Kobe, or bite... after all it is shark week.

Gooooo Wizzz-ardsssss!!!

Posted by: 78th | July 31, 2007 6:26 AM | Report abuse

Pardon my slip. Danny Ainge is Wes Unselding Boston.

McHale is Wes Unselding Minnesota.

Here is one more cheer for not having to root for either team.

Garnet may be top 25, and he may get Ainge some breathing room, but he better not ask for whom the bell tolls...

I could see Boston falling apart faster than Manute Bol in an MMA match.

Minnesota just better hope everything works out for them. Which never happens in the NBA.

Posted by: 78th | July 31, 2007 6:32 AM | Report abuse

mitch, I have to disagree with you about getting rid of Jamison. Get rid of him and defenses will clog up the middle like there's no tomorrow.

Also disagree with you on the Celtics. Sure they're getting a couple of stars but they've become light-years older.

In fact, I disagree with you about virtually everything. Would mind posting under a different name or at least using your last initial (since I used the name here first)?

Posted by: Mitch | July 31, 2007 8:56 AM | Report abuse

Sean: So some coverage is better than no coverage. I get it, now. Thanks!

Posted by: Anonymous | July 31, 2007 10:22 AM | Report abuse

Real Wiz fans, just go to another site like RealGM or Hoops Hype for real news.

OTW, stay behind the curve and follow these WP drones. You decide.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 31, 2007 10:24 AM | Report abuse

to mitch, i disagree with you mitch on everything. Would mind posting under a different name or at least using your last initial (since I used the name here first)?
that will be great
mitch

Posted by: mitch | July 31, 2007 10:39 AM | Report abuse

to
Mitch | July 31, 2007 08:56 AM
go watch espn and see what Stephen A Smith has to say about celtics. Mr KNOWEVERYTHING.

Posted by: mitch | July 31, 2007 10:41 AM | Report abuse

Just putting my 2 cents. Very happy for KG.
He has paid great dues in Minnie - pulling the Wolves along with little to no help year after year. They did make it to the playoffs as I recall one year maybe two..but it had to have been tough.

Also happy for Pierce..when he lost his "rainin 3's buddy, Antoine Walker, it was a sad day in Boston. He too struggled alone for years. Hopefully things work out for both of them. Ray Allen's been plaqued w/injuries of late..can't recall last game I actually saw him play but wish him all the best as well.

The east should be interesting now - Thank God!! Its tiring watching mediocrity. At least now it'll be competitive. Don't know about anybody else but I thought thats what its supposed to be about anyway.

Posted by: Robin | July 31, 2007 11:02 AM | Report abuse

Here is an interesting read, JCN feels that he is "kidnapped" by the Wizards:
http://www.as.com/articulo/Baloncesto/Navarro/siente/secuestrado/dasbal/20070731dasdasbal_1/Tes/

JCN is badmouthing Ernie Grunfeld (apparently Grunfeld is demanding the top 14 pick for JCN), so much so that his agent is considering bring the matter to NBA commissioner (according to my babelfish translation)!

The article also says that the teams that are interested are: Boston Celtics (well, not any more), Miami Heats, Memphis Grizzlies and Los Angeles Lakers. So looks like there isn't that many choices left, since Celtics just made the big trade and Miami signed Smush Parker.

Posted by: Sagaliba | July 31, 2007 11:12 AM | Report abuse

mitch, I never claimed to know everything. On second thought, compared to you I probably DO know everything.

Posted by: Mitch | July 31, 2007 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Funny how Abe Pollin gets blamed when our GM comes up a loser. Do we blame Pollin when the team loses, no. That honor, as it should be in part, is reserved for Eddy Jordan. Give the AlMighty Ernie his due on this one. And look at our roster...hmmm, not as imposing as it could/should be. And we still have the spirit breaking center in our midst...I gues we still have a bit more than a month to go.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 31, 2007 11:16 AM | Report abuse

As far as Minn. is concerned, Garnett was history if they didn't win this year. With their cap problems McHale was totally screwed in trying to assemble a winning roster around him he had to make the choice to get something or be left trying to rebuild in the draft and free agency. As it is now he has a core and draft picks and cap room, not a real bad combination.
I'm going to be real interested to see what kind of money Garnett gets in this extension. When a team has 60m + tied up in three players it's going to get real dicey putting together a roster. The Salary Cap and the Luxury Tax apply their constrants in different ways which together can really hamstring a team if they use up multible slots to get one player.
People that keep proposing 5 for 1 or 4 for 1 deals that work via the trade machine forget the implications of filling out a roster. Boston pursued a "Go All In" the "future is now" course with this deal. It may work out and they may have transformed themselves into title contenders.
But on the flip side Peirce and Allen have been hobbled alot in recent years with what appear to be chronic injuries. Trust me age doesn't make those things go away. Garnett has logged heavy NBA minutes for 12 years, if you beleive him he's ended the last two seasons too hurt to play.
Looking right now at Boston's roster, I can't see anyway their big three will be asked to carry a lighter load than Eddie had our big three carrying the first half of last season. We all saw what happened to our guys, you could say that Arenas and Butler's injuries were just bad luck. But sometimes bad luck strikes when players are over tired. But back spasms and sore knees(Jamison's) are more a sign of fatigue than anything.
Grunfeld has spent this off season trying to build some depth around our core, any combination that I've seen proposed here would have left us even thinner than last year. I really can't think of a scenario where we could have offered McHale a better deal than Boston's that would have left us being a stronger team in the end.
We want to build a contender here like we had from 69' to 79' when we were someone to be reckened with every year. Would a Garnett deal have really made us one for more than a few years at most?
When the dust settles from this there are going to be other deals made in the league. Phoenix is sitting on an 8.5m trade excemption they hoped to use to get Garnett, LA's got to be feeling the heat, Riley's still not got what he wants in Miami, Gasol's clamoring for Navarro, Larry's still not made a move in Indiana, Boston's got to fill out a roster, the Knicks are always looking to deal, McHale's probably not done dealing, old Nellie's always trying to wheel and deal, and I can't beleive Cuban's still sitting tight.
Ernie's got a few chips and he's still sitting at the table grinding away.

Posted by: GM | July 31, 2007 11:51 AM | Report abuse

Man would a trade of any kind, (AFTER TWO YEARS), spice this blog up some. This Wiz thing at this time of the year is "dead in the water" right now. JCN, JCN,JCN. I am so tired of this I want it done.

I can't blame Ivan and Mike. There is nothing going on right now. It seems like everyone else (other NBA teams) are doing "something" but we are still just "there" (AFTER TWO YEARS).

However, the team is a lot better with some nice drafting from EG, so I guess I have to look at those drafts picks as "trades" and move on.....

I guess we all have to wait until October when training camp starts to have some good blogs going on. Ivan and Mike chill out and enjoy the rest of the summer, there is nothing going on anyway. I will get my Wizard fix over at the Redskins blog.

Posted by: Bullets Fever | July 31, 2007 11:55 AM | Report abuse

"It seems like everyone else (other NBA teams) are doing "something"

Dallas: Nothing
Lakers: Fisher
Clippers: nothing
Utah: nothing
Philly: nothing
NJ: Magliore
Indiana: nothing
Milwaukee: nothing
ATL: nothing
Denver: chucky atkins

Cleveland: nothing
Detroit: nothing
Chicago: Joe Smith
Miami: Smush Parker

Its sad you need this blog to make your life more interesting.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 2, 2007 10:54 AM | Report abuse

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