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McGuire signing official

The Wizards will confirm later today that second-round pick Dominic McGuire has signed a contract. It will be a three-year deal with a team option on the third year....Nothing new to report on the Juan Carlos Navarro situation though I've got some calls out and hope to have something by the end of the day. From what I've heard, things are still being worked out between the Grizzlies and F.C.Barcelona. The Wiz/Grizz piece of business is complete but neither team will announce the details of the deal until everything is wrapped up between the Grizz, Navarro and Barcelona.

By Ivan Carter  |  August 13, 2007; 1:24 PM ET
 
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Comments

Ivan, do you know if the Wizards have any interest in Jermaine O'Neal? Hollinger had him as his DPOY last year and I feel he would be a great improvement to our post defense, despite his contract.

Posted by: Tech | August 13, 2007 1:36 PM | Report abuse

the only way we can get JO is a deal that encludes AJ otherwise we can't match the contract.I don't see EG trading jamison

Posted by: jcrock | August 13, 2007 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Congrats Donkey!

Posted by: Cupid | August 13, 2007 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Thanks, Ivan.
It shouldn't be taking Memphis, Navarro and Barcelona this long to finalize things, UNLESS Barcelona is pushing to get an exhibition game with Memphis, for example, as part of the deal.

Any deal for JO would likely need to include Caron in return. Bird isn't going to trade his best player for Jamison's expiring contract. Ernie would trade Jamison straight up for JO in a heartbeat.

Posted by: Sean | August 13, 2007 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Makes me wonder if there was more than just a little catch in Barcelona's offer to reduce their buyout for Navarro.
I can understand by league rules the trade not being completed until the buyout is complete. I joked months ago about the Wizards not being able to read the Spanish version of the contract, but seeing how long this is taking, Memphis must be having a fit with the English to Spanish to Serbian translations.
Since the ownership of Barcelona is supposed to be Serbian, is it a stretch to think that in the end the NBA is trying to buy Navarro's freedom for a front for the Russian Mob?

Posted by: GM | August 13, 2007 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Cool about DM.

Any word on Blatche?

Posted by: ACW | August 13, 2007 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Jamison's expiring deal is a crucial asset in re-signing Gil next summer. If we traded AJ for JO, our chances of re-signing Agent Zero take a massive hit.

Posted by: Bubb Rubb | August 13, 2007 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Disagree that getting JO would require giving up Caron. A package of AJ, N Young and future draft picks could be enough condisering what other teams are [supposedly] offering.

It is immensely frustrating that it is taking so long to get the JCN deal done. There is basically butkus going on in the world of sports right now, so I need some Wiz news to keep me awake.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 13, 2007 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Bubb-

We are allowed to go over the cap/tax threshold to re-sign Gil, and in fact are the only team that can offer him a six-year deal (others only five). So AJ's contract has nothing to do with our ability to re-sign Gil, only with Abe's ability to avoid having to pay the luxury tax.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 13, 2007 2:15 PM | Report abuse

screw jermaine o'neal

Posted by: Anonymous | August 13, 2007 2:19 PM | Report abuse

LA apparently is offering Bynum and Kwame's expiring deal, but Indy wants Bynum and Odom. So what makes you think Jamison, Nick Young and future picks would be acceptable to Indy?? An expiring contract, an unproven rookie and future late first round draft picks is all that it would take for one of the best big men in the game? Come on.

Posted by: Sean | August 13, 2007 2:19 PM | Report abuse

The Wizards have already made their team slogan for the year and the big billboard outside of verizon center with that slogan has Jamison pictured. This is a clear sign to me that none of the big three are being traded this offseason.

Posted by: Joe | August 13, 2007 2:25 PM | Report abuse

my starting line up

F Jamison
F D-Song/D-Mac
F Butler
G Arenas
G Stevenson

Why d-song/D-MAC both are versatif play that maximize the use of the princeton offense by providing that extra to share the ball beyond the Big three.

Posted by: flinstone | August 13, 2007 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Congrats Donkster!

Posted by: Zonker | August 13, 2007 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Depends what you think of Bynum. He's not exactly proven either. Nick Young plus next year's unprotected #1 and the memphis pick is worth just as much (or more) if you ask me. That's one unproven lottery pick for a slightly more proven lottery pick plus two add'l first rounders

Posted by: Anonymous | August 13, 2007 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Are you listening to YOURSELVES??? Young, Jamison, and First Round Pick?!?!?!? Are U Serious?!?!? O'neal isnt the player he used to be. He is an injury prone player who is on the downfall of his career. Jamison's numbers are as good as O'neal's and you want to give away a potentially good 2 gaurd in Young and a 1st rounder for that dude?

You obviously dont know anything about basketball.

Obviously the Laker dont think that highly of him to give up Odom. So we should jump out there and give up this year's first round pick and future and our All Star.

Next time you drive over one of the many wonderful bridges in our Nation's Capital just JUMP!!!

Posted by: Wayne from Bowie | August 13, 2007 2:35 PM | Report abuse

I would also have the wiz use V.C.U's
trapping style of defense to put pressure on the opposition for 40 minutes....

Posted by: flinstone | August 13, 2007 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Hopefully you are related to Mitch Kupchak, and he will trade Bynum to the Wizards for Nick Young and the first round picks you mention.

Posted by: Sean | August 13, 2007 2:38 PM | Report abuse

VOTE


4


IVAN


2008

Posted by: Wayne from Bowie | August 13, 2007 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Nick YOUNG AND 1st ROUNDER FOR BYNUM?!?!?

You need to find a bridge too.

Bynum is a replica of Haywood!!!

The BOy is sofT too. That right capital T.

sofT

Posted by: Wayne from Bowie | August 13, 2007 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Jamison is the captain of the dang team. He scores. He rebounds. He sets an example. We stole him from Dallas and if we treat him fairly when his big contract expires, he will happily re-sign for less. If he sticks around, if we hold on to Gilbert and Caron, if the rookies mature nicely and if we pick up some size and defense by trading next year's number one picks or catching a winner with them, we might have a championship contender... and a Jamison 4 jersey will hang in the rafters.

Hey, you can dream, right?

Posted by: khrabb | August 13, 2007 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Hey Flinstone where is our Center?

Posted by: Wayne from Bowie | August 13, 2007 2:47 PM | Report abuse

I echo the words of Wayne from Bowie...that trade proposal for Jermaine makes no sense.

And whoever thinks that DMac will start this year is insane. I'll admit that DMac showed some athleticism and some aggressiveness, but let's not annoint him a starter just yet. Blatche put up huge numbers in the summer league last year and he could barely get off the bench last season.

Flinstone's proposed lineup has 3 small forwards and 2 guards...Jamison doesn't play like a power forward. I don't think this lineup would have any chance in the Eastern Conference.

Posted by: Hoops | August 13, 2007 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Why does everyone think that Jamison would sign for less? The dude makes $15 million per year and everyone expects him to sign for $5 million. The dude is 31 years old (not 38) and averaged 20 points and 8 rebounds per game. Based on those numbers he will be able to still command a decent salary - possibly $10 million per year. It'd be great to resign him, but it won't happen at a bargain price.

Posted by: Hoops | August 13, 2007 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Jamison will skip town to CharlotteArenas will sign a max deal contract, DMac take over at PF and the Wiz will win the NBA title

Posted by: Jamsion-Hater | August 13, 2007 3:04 PM | Report abuse

I agree with khrabb.... a 6'9" guy who can shoot and open up the floor for our other cats, albeit no D, will always have a place on this team.

Hang on to AJ - he's a vet's vet.

k-dub

Posted by: k-dub | August 13, 2007 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Okay, okay...let's temper our expectations of D-Mac. Let the kid "really" get his feet wet before declarations.

k-dub

Posted by: k-dub | August 13, 2007 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Here is a lineup I would've liked

C - Thomas
PF- Blatche
SF - Jamison
SG - Caron Butler
PG - Arenas

I agree, Jamison isnt a PF. He isnt defensively threatening and cant defend any PF in the league. But given our personell and Blatche's immaturity the real lineup should be:

C - Haywood/Thomas 40/60
PF - Jamison
SF - Butler
SG - Stevenson
PG - Arenas

Stevenson plays his role well.

Posted by: Wayne from Bowie | August 13, 2007 3:20 PM | Report abuse

EG is saving Tawn's expiring contract for next year so he can re-sign Arenas and stay under the Lux tax. Unless Charlotte gets crazy, we should be able to re-sign Jamison for $10-11 Mil.

Essentially, just flip-flopping Jamison and Arenas' salaries.

Posted by: Rook | August 13, 2007 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Why are people connecting A's contract to Arenas ? Do they have anything to do with one another? I thought we had Bird rights on Arenas so AJ's money means nothing (except when it comes to the luxury tax)

Posted by: Anonymous | August 13, 2007 3:53 PM | Report abuse

wayne from Bowie...

I want to the Wiz the play VCU style..
anthony grant full court press 48 minutes..

I am not going to use haywood or Etan..neither are athletic enough to do it...D-MAC or blatche could play it....

I want to run other teams in the league ragged....

Posted by: flinstone | August 13, 2007 4:32 PM | Report abuse

ok...this wiz need to draft eric maynor
next year to play PG...then they can do this...

Posted by: flinstone | August 13, 2007 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Capwise they aren't connected. Unlike the Navarro situation the the Wiz can go over the Luxury Tax to sign Arenas. Since Pollin has expressed a desire not to exceed the Luxury Tax and we're close now, to give Arenas about 17m(his max starting salary) we'd have to get Jamison to sign for something around the 11m that Arenas makes now.
That's the connection that people are making between the two. That's why it's unlikely to see Jamison's expiring deal sent along in an attempt to get J. O'Neal, then next year the Wizards would have to go way over the Luxury Tax level to resign Arenas.
Which Pollin along with most owners don't want to do.

Posted by: GM | August 13, 2007 4:38 PM | Report abuse

you can play this style...five guys athletics guys CRASH the boards..ala denny crums 86 lousville cardinals....

Posted by: flinstone | August 13, 2007 4:42 PM | Report abuse

I think AJ's and Arenas' contract are related in that Pollin will not want to go far into the luxury tax arena.

Speaking of AJ, the big three go down to the big one in the playoffs last year and the dude still scores and rebounds. I was really impressed by that when he must have received most of the defensive attention. He is still a major scorer in his own right, and does not need Arena to be one.

Maybe I am getting too far ahead of myself, but I hope he will be willing to take a little less money after next year and still be part of the Wizards.

Posted by: Tim | August 13, 2007 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Glad to know we have McG locked in. But at the pace they're going, we could get peace in the Middle East before Memphis and FC Barcelona get it together.

Posted by: iceberg | August 13, 2007 4:44 PM | Report abuse

I know a great shot blocker..let's bring back jim mclvaine.

Posted by: flinstone | August 13, 2007 4:50 PM | Report abuse

BTW, GM did a pretty good analysis above.

Posted by: Tim | August 13, 2007 4:52 PM | Report abuse

People should stop saying AJ is not a power foward but he is small foward. AJ is defensive liability at the 4 spot but he is non-existance at 3. He would get blow by every single time by the smaller and quicker three's of the league. AJ would give up 30 points a game playing the 3 instead of giving up 18 pionts playing the 4. Thats why EJ wont play him at the 4 position he would be too exposed. Also AJ will not be in a WIZ uniform next year because on a championship caliber team he is your 6 man because of his defensive flaws. I dont believe he would come off of the bench here, when he would start for the Bobcats for more money.And we must give AB an opportunity to start(we are giving him a 5 year guarantee contract). Even though I dont believe he would do well as a starter, but I hope that I am wrong. Thats why we need both of those 2 first rounders next year to try to get two starters at the 4 & 5 spots (Hibbert and Devon Hardin).

Also,please stop talking about JO deal thats just stupid. I agree with Wayne from Bowie.

Posted by: d square | August 13, 2007 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Okay, flintstone, so what happens on the second night of NBA back-to-backs when a team just ran and pressed 48 minutes the night before? The '86 Cardinals didn't have to go through that.

Not to mention that team played about 40 games in '85-86 -- less than half an NBA season, and probably more like a third when you add in preseason and playoffs. Plus they had maybe two games a week and longer breaks at semester's end.

Paul Westphal tried that run-and-gun style in the NBA with the Nuggets -- all he got was a record (107 points given up in a half) before he got fired. And this is a guy who had the essential ingredients of "Showtime" in 1980 (Magic, Kareem, Wilkes, etc.) with the Lakers! He got it to work at Loyola Marymount, but not at George Mason.

The college game doesn't always work so well in the NBA! (Hey, maybe that idea should apply to the Princeton offense...)

Posted by: iceberg | August 13, 2007 5:01 PM | Report abuse

It was Paul Westhead with the run and gun/no D offense at Denver, not Paul Westphal.

Posted by: hotplate | August 13, 2007 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Wow...not much wisdom in this thread. AJ making 10 million a year! Please, if that becomes true I just hope to god someone else is paying it. He is a 6th man at best on any serious title contender!!! Ok. He may have some nice offensive numbers, but the players he guards are just as likely to have a career game against him.

Who cares that he got nice quantity numbers playing 40 mins a game in the playoffs??? We got swept!!! Remember the game Gooden made like 10 consecutive shots and was on complete fire - yes, AJ was "guarding"/watching him. His next contract if rational should be for 6/7 million max for 2/3 yrs. I consider this high, but sport's markets are so hard to figure out sometimes.

PS Please no more ridiculous trade ideas from armchair GM's. It's just soooo silly!!! Your making Wes Unseld look like Jerry West.

Posted by: Rob P | August 13, 2007 5:42 PM | Report abuse

I'm loving Flintstone's VCU references (alum) no matter how naive.

Starting lineup next year will be the same as last year, we all know that. Cracks me up to hear poeple put rookies like MacGuire or even JNC in opening day starting lineups. Playoff teams don't do that, 20-62 teams do.

I do remember last year Eddie Jordan spoke of experimenting with Songaila at center, and scrapping that plan when he got hurt. Haven't heard much about that this year but it's intruiging. Anyone know anything about that?

Posted by: Patrick | August 13, 2007 5:56 PM | Report abuse

Ivan, if you don't get anything definitive tonight, can we at least get you comment on whether you've heard anything about that ridiculous set of draft protection timeframes that we heard out of Memphis last week? (#19 protected, #16 protected, blah blah blah...)

Posted by: sfam | August 13, 2007 6:03 PM | Report abuse

WIZARDS WILL BE DOORMATS OF THE SOUTHEASTERN IN '08

Posted by: Anonymous | August 13, 2007 6:36 PM | Report abuse

Yes, AJ is lacking on defense, although he did improve his shot blocking this year. Did anyone notice? He is over 30 and still trying to improve his game even on defense.

A couple of years ago he added a three point shot to his game. He did not used to be a three point shooter.

One other positive about AJ he is classy verteran presence, a leader on the team that needs one. Something Gilbert is not yet. Remember how AJ reacted when Gil and EJ had a little spat about defense this year.

As the team is currently constructed who would you start at the 4 if not AJ?

Posted by: Tim | August 13, 2007 7:16 PM | Report abuse

I just don't get all the AJ hate. He has been an undeniably core element of this teams improvement.

I hope he signs here for less to finish his career, but I think if we don't give him a decent offer he may bail to Charlotte and teach those guys to whup us.

Posted by: greg | August 13, 2007 7:37 PM | Report abuse

Thanks Ivan.

Ivan, what is the chance of the Wiz NOT signing Blatche now? Are they entertaining any sign and trades for him now/ever?

I think he would have signed that offer presented to him after him getting caught with his pants down(pun intended).

- Ray

Posted by: Ray | August 13, 2007 7:46 PM | Report abuse

writing "pun intended" after a pun makes you look like an idiot. its like making a joke and then immediately explaining it.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 13, 2007 7:52 PM | Report abuse

good thing the humor police were here to write that

Posted by: Anonymous | August 13, 2007 8:00 PM | Report abuse

writing "pun intended" after a pun makes you look like an idiot. its like making a joke and then immediately explaining it.

Posted by: Humor Police | August 13, 2007 8:07 PM | Report abuse

If you're looking for a trade for AJ, why not Andrei Kirilenko? I understand that the Jazz want to unload him. The trade works (according to the trade machine), it gives the Wiz some interior toughness, and it gives the Wiz about 2-3M in cap space.

Posted by: Bill Baxter | August 13, 2007 8:31 PM | Report abuse

Bill Baxter -

Trading AJ for Kirilenko would almost certainly mean we would not sign Arenas next year.

Kirilenko has 4 years left on his contract. Opening up only 2-3Mil does not get us close to the $6-7Mil we need to sign Arenas to a max contract (without going over the Luxury Tax, of course).

AJ's contract is done this year, freeing up $16M to help sign Arenas. Whatever is left after signing Arenas, they will offer to Jamison to re-sign him.

If AJ leaves for Charlotte... I think that would still leave us over the Salary Cap - and we would only be able to use our Mid-level exception to sign any free agents.

Posted by: Rook | August 13, 2007 8:53 PM | Report abuse

funny to hear people talking about unloading Jamison. I'm sure he'll go for more money to Charlotte after this year, but in any event:

Antawn Jamison is the most important player on the Wizards team.

yep, even more important than Arenas. case in point: midway through last season, the Wizards were on top of the east. Jamison goes down with an injury and the whole team starts to implode. huge, ugly losing streak, interpersonal conflict, battles with the coach, etc. etc. so quickly people forget this!

at least when Arenas and Butler went down late in the season, the team was still somewhat competitive. nobody wants to see how bad this team is without Antawn Jamison. EG would have to be a fool to trade him. EG is not a fool.

Posted by: Satch | August 13, 2007 8:56 PM | Report abuse

Yeah Ray,

Seems like Blatche should have jumped on that contract after the incident.

Maybe Ernie pulled the offer?

Ivan - any idea?

Posted by: Rook | August 13, 2007 8:59 PM | Report abuse

Not sure why Jamison's poor post defense would prevent him from being a bench scorer. Most teams don't have a muscular 4 or 5 with quickness and post moves on their second unit. There's also alot of 3's on teams second units that Jamison could handle defensively.
IF Blatche can step up to be a starting 4 Jamison could transition to a scoring option that we need of the bench. But he will get more than 6-7 m per year. Jamison could become a bench assasian like Robert Horry.
We need a reliable veteran that can score off the bench, why go get one when one's already here?

Posted by: GM | August 13, 2007 9:26 PM | Report abuse

2007-08 Lineup (by mid-season)
SF Butler Jamison(6th man)
PF D-Mac Blatche Songaila Hall
C Haywood O-Pec Thomas
PG Arenas Daniels Taylor
SG Stevenson NYoung Mason

Posted by: Coach Jordan | August 13, 2007 9:43 PM | Report abuse

The problem with Blatche starting in place of Jamison is I don't think he is ready for it. I don't mind Jamison coming off the bench; I just don't see who you replace him with.

One thing I like about Jamison in the starting lineup is that Gilbert can kick it out to him for the three on drives inside. I don't see who you would replace that with. Stevenson can hit a three, but I don't think he is consistently there yet.

Posted by: Tim | August 13, 2007 9:54 PM | Report abuse

can we go ten deep running 48 minutes of pressing defense..play two different teams one for first and third quarter..one for 2nd and 4th quarters...kinda of they perry clark did it at tulane...

caron butler Jamison
blatche d-mac
arenas young
stevenson daniels
donell taylor(pressed at UAB) haywood...

can anyone think of combinations that might work better...EJ will be out and Anthony Grant will be in next year...

Posted by: flinstone | August 13, 2007 10:21 PM | Report abuse

I agree with Tim, I don't think blatche is a starter yet. Maybe someday. I don't think Jamison would turn down being a bench player if it made his team better. (he already played that role once) I just think we are a couple years from blatche being better than jamison in the starting rotation... a lot could happen in that time though.

Posted by: greg | August 13, 2007 10:33 PM | Report abuse

I have no problem with AJ's work with the team although he is not worth his current contract and does not deserve 10 million a year on his next. That's all. Improved his blocking??? Come on. I saw him block a few more shots this year than others, but it's not like he is jumping at his opponents peak and causing a distraction. He just does not have that ability. Why do you think he is king of the quick release and awkward scoop shots? Bc he is not that athletic.

And, although an example of how to carry yourself as a professional (on and off the court), AJ is not a tough get in your face demand better performance kind of player. In fact, this team has nobody that fits that description. Closest would be Caron I suppose.

Again, I like him and I am not trying to get rid of him this year. BUT, if he wants large sums of money again as a final money grab, let him walk after this year. The team is not going to fall apart and the defense will probably improve no matter who his replacement is. Hopefully, there will be some alternate that is worth that much money. How many rings does he have??? OK. He ain't THAT good.

Posted by: Rob P | August 13, 2007 11:12 PM | Report abuse

I think what we should be pleased about as fans is EG is building a consistent winner, which is the first step in getting to the championship level eventually. That's when the Karl Malone's of the league or whomever decide to sign on for a discount to make the championship push.

I don't think resigning AJ after this year is a REQUIREMENT for this to happen. I like our team and I like our pipeline. EG has setup this team for years of success and with a little luck with a pick or otherwise we'll be championship material within a few years.

Posted by: Rob P | August 13, 2007 11:21 PM | Report abuse

Rob P. says "Hopefully, there will be some alternate that is worth that much money."

I don't really disagree with anything you say, except the economics of the situation is that Jamison will get $8-10M next year.

The Wiz will probably sign Arenas next year to a max contract ($16M?) - and still resign Jamison to a $10M contract....

OR - They can sign Arenas to a max contract and let Jamison walk.

They will be over the Salary Cap, so the only way they can fill that roster spot is to either resign Jamison (and they can resign him for whatever it takes), OR sign a Free Agent using the Mid-Level exception. This year, I think the Mid Level was around $5.5M.

So, I challenge you to find a current player in the NBA that puts up 20pts 8rebs for $5Mil...

Posted by: Rook | August 13, 2007 11:28 PM | Report abuse

I am glad we signed McGuire for 3 years. That is a good move. This guy is going to be good. And he's gonna be good sooner rather than later.

Posted by: Darnell | August 14, 2007 12:37 AM | Report abuse

The biggest reason to move Jamison to the bench is that given his knee issues and age he was extremely ineffective on the second night of back-to-backs (and almost always the only time he was effective on the second night of a back-to-back was if he played poorly in the first game).
Also if they are going to make a run in the playoffs and Jamison plays nearly every game in the regular season like he normally does, then he will need to play less minutes if he is going to have anything left for the playoffs.
At the very least lets see if Blatche can start and give the Wizards 20-25 minutes a game. If he gets consistent time I think Blatche can do well in that role.

Posted by: George Templeton | August 14, 2007 1:22 AM | Report abuse

The report on Mac is that he can play the 2,3 and 4, but he is mostly a 3. So why do all the people here insist he is a 4? We have OPie, VV and Blatche that are better for that position. However, one of those 3 will have to become a C for us.

To me, Blatche seems like Kwame 2.0, OPie seems like a possibility at bench PF/C and VV seems destined for bench PF. However, we still wont have starting PF or C as long as the FO continues their ignorant ways and drafting/trading for starting quality SG's and SF's and bench quality PF's and C's.

We will also never have a PG on this team as long as EJ is coach. His scheme is predicated on SG's and a lack of defense. Get rid of EJ and the old asst. coaches and replace them with a more defensive minded team and we might have something special.

Posted by: aprius | August 14, 2007 1:55 AM | Report abuse

I think blatche will be signing a contract soon he is in wizards plan the kid can play and will be a main part of the wizards this year I beleive blatche will sign a 5yr 15 million

Posted by: AD | August 14, 2007 8:50 AM | Report abuse

Ivan can you or someone explain Javis Hayes' contract for 07/08. Hoopshype states that he has a $3.5 M qualifying offer from the wizards for 07/08. Does that mean he is under contract unless someone else offers him more? If so, he is going to be wearing a wizards uni this fall.

Posted by: cj | August 14, 2007 8:50 AM | Report abuse

Rook is right one of the reasons that Grunfeld will not just let Jamison walk is the loss of the salary cap slot since we're over the cap. We'd only be able to spend the MLE to replace him, not likely to get anyone nearly as good as Jamison for that kind of money.
If Charlotte is hell bent on giving Jamison a big contract (and by the way what in Bob Johnson's history convinces anyone of that. he had to spend money this year to go OVER THE MIN so he didn't have to pay a tax for that!) then it will be more likely that a sign and trade will happen. But I still find that unlikely.
Jamison will get a good contract here and a chance to contribute to a playoff team hoping to step up for a title run. Charlotte hasn't proven that they can make the playoffs yet. Maybe he could be a hometown hero and lead them to the playoffs and that would appeal to him.
But my guess is Jamison will want to finish what he started here and Pollin will want him around. Jamison just strikes me as a Pollin kind of guy, he tends to like to keep "his guys" around the organization.
My guess is that the Wizards are waiting to see how serious of a PR problem Blatche's arrest is. They could be waiting for him to plea it out make a contrite statement and move on. At the very least Grunfeld will let the kid twist in the wind awhile. The longer he goes without an offer the Wizards have to match, the more it drives home the point,"keep engaging in that kind of behavior and you could be out of the league real quick".
I can't think that another team is going to fly in at this point and make him a big offer. Most of the money is already spent, and who would want that PR challenge? Well, maybe the Knicks could sign him and he could cruise NY with Zack Randolph. If they get in trouble at a club Zack can just leave Bulletproof behind to take the fall.
That's why I say "IF" Blatche is ready to start after this year, there are still alot of question marks with the kid.

Posted by: GM | August 14, 2007 8:52 AM | Report abuse

flinstone this is the NBA!!!! This isn't college. Pressing for an entire game doesn't work. We will get lit up for more than 104 a game if we try to press all game every game. Just stop with the ridiculous college garbage.

Wayne from Bowie,
I agreed with the 1st comment about JO. JO is getting old and is overrated. Then you said

"Bynum is a replica of Haywood!!!"

I laughed out loud when I read this. How could you possibly compare the 2. Haywood is a bum and always will be. Bynum will be a top 5 center in the league in the next 3 years if not this year. Haywood averaged 6, 6, and 1 last year and bynum averaged 8, 6, and 1.6. Bynum is already better than him and he is only 20. Haywood is 27 or 28 and is what he is which is terrible. The lakers wouldn't trade him for jason kidd and you fake Gm's think nick young and draft picks is going to get him. Everyone on this site is pathetic. Use the small brain you have people and be realistic.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 14, 2007 9:07 AM | Report abuse

ok...I will get serious...I figured I'd start a bar-room conversation..that's all...it was fun while it lasted....I do believe OPEC should start because He can shoot and bring out teams' big men out away from the basket...leaving the lane open for easy buckets.

Posted by: flinstone | August 14, 2007 9:46 AM | Report abuse

I am also a little shocked at the ridiculous trade offers people are discussing. Being realistic is key in these discussions; however beign optimistic also plays a huge role.

Story: The past 2 seasons, the wizards have not played with a dominating center on their team, yet continue to make the playoffs because in the East, it's possible to win games off speed offense and acceptable defense (lackluster is a better term). In terms of their team, they usually use screens to cut inside and get easy hoops, or they penetrate and then kick out the ball to one of their superb 3 point shooters for the wide-open shot. This is their offensive game and so far, they have succeeded. They can't use a triangle offense for the afformentioned reason of a missing center, and instead utilize the up-tempo run'n gun game. It's also important to point out that most NBA teams have a hard time defending all of the wizards 3 point shooters. You can't put Bruce Bowens on all of them.
This is why replacing the missing pieced was key this off-season. The wizards have already molded their offensive game; now they needed to strengthen it with perimeter shooters and interior scorers. As we all saw from training camp, Nick Young, O-Pie, and DM are all explosive and pose threats from both outside and inside the 3 point line.
I applaud Grunfeld. The only bad move he has made as a GM in the past 5 seasons is giving Etan more money.

Posted by: Dave | August 14, 2007 9:50 AM | Report abuse

To the anxious Navarro-watchers: I wouldn't hold my breath for Navarro news if things are hinging on Barca. Europe shuts down in August; they're all at the beach.

Posted by: LabMonkey | August 14, 2007 9:57 AM | Report abuse

Anonymous writer,

DONT U SEE THAT THOSE STATS R ABOUT THE SAME?!?!?

NEWS FLASH IF BYNUM WAS THAT GOOD ONE OF THE GREATEST COACHES THAT EVER COACHED THE NBA WOULD GIVE HIM MORE THAN 21 MINUTES/GM.

HE SPLITS TIME WITH K.BROWN AND C.MIHMS!!!

HAHAHAHAHA

TOP 5 LMAO

Posted by: Wayne from Bowie | August 14, 2007 10:25 AM | Report abuse

WHERE DO PEOPLE GET OFF PUTTING BLATCHE IN THE STARTING LINE UP AND PUTTING JAMISON ON THE BENCH?!?!?

WE NEED TO TEST THE PATOMAC RIVER FOR PARASITES THAT ATTACK OUR BRAINs!!!

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JAMISON AVERAGED THE MOST POINTS IN THE NBA PLAYOFFS LaST YEAR AGAINST THE EASTERN CHAMPS, BLATCHE IS NOT CAPABLE OF DOING THAT IN the CIAA DIV III A TOURNEY!!!

Posted by: Wayne from Bowie | August 14, 2007 10:34 AM | Report abuse

HE COULDN'T AVERAGE 30 POINTS/G FOR GOOD OL' BOWIE STATE UNIVERSITY!!!

Posted by: Wayne from Bowie | August 14, 2007 10:36 AM | Report abuse

HERE ARE 10 CENTERS BYNUM WILL NEVER EVA EVA EVA BE BETTER THAN:
1.Y. MING 2.S. ONEAL 3. CAMBY 4.CHANDLER 5.D.HOWARD 6.ODEN 7.B. WAALACE 8.A. STAUDEMIRE 9.ILGAUSKAS 10.OKUR
WHILE IM REELING THEM OFF MY HEAD I MIGHT AS WELL PUT E. CURRY, A. JEFFERSON, AND J. ONEAL IN THERE TOO.

Posted by: Wayne from Bowie | August 14, 2007 10:52 AM | Report abuse

medicate.

eesh. so caps locked.

I don't know if Bynum is top 5, but he is only 20. That is really young, and his full potential hasn't been realized. I could see phil jackson only playing him 21 minutes a game because he is still developing.
just a thought.

Posted by: greg | August 14, 2007 10:54 AM | Report abuse

does anyone think that roger mason if given a chance can help us this year ,be cause i sure do!!!!

Posted by: wiz43 | August 14, 2007 11:07 AM | Report abuse

Forget Roger Mason. I'd give his PT to Mike Hall.

Posted by: DC Man88 | August 14, 2007 11:13 AM | Report abuse

At least they didn't sign Penny.

Posted by: ScottVanPeltStyle.com | August 14, 2007 11:22 AM | Report abuse

I am going to say it again and trade haywood for Pryzbilla.

Posted by: domo | August 14, 2007 11:26 AM | Report abuse

I think that would be a good trade

Posted by: terry | August 14, 2007 11:28 AM | Report abuse

I think Roger Mason can help a lot becuase we can bring him in just to shoot threes.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 14, 2007 11:32 AM | Report abuse

Thanks Cupid!!

Posted by: Donkey MCdonkerton | August 14, 2007 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Great News

There has been a trade rumor that has been going around and it involves one of our centers.The trade is as following

C.Brendan Haywood For
C.Steven Hunter and Jessie Lumsden

Posted by: wiz man | August 14, 2007 11:42 AM | Report abuse

AJ's on the bench to provide firepower and
leadership to the second unit...

Blatche is playing pf/c to provide shot blocking post-prescence in a full court pressing style like VCU...I figure once we wear down our opens in the first quarter...he can help kill them with array of assort dipsy-do moves around the basket...(kinda of like body blows)). he benefits going against the other teams second unit...kinda of like the spurrier QB going against the preseason truckers in O-S-A-A-K-A!!!!!

Posted by: flinstone | August 14, 2007 11:43 AM | Report abuse

wayne -

why are bring bowie st in the CIAA into this...they get there heads handed to every year by Union...at least use a winner in your illustration if you gonna talk CIAA

Posted by: flinstone | August 14, 2007 11:46 AM | Report abuse

Do any of you yahoo's that want to trade Haywood realize how much of a better team we are with him on the floor?? Just because EJ doesn't like him, he doesn't play him-- I think EJ and Thomas go to poetry slams together because it makes no sense why Haywood doesn't play more.

Anyway, we aren't trading Jamison (unfortunately) because he is our team leader. But a Jamison, Blatche , swap #1's (which works out in our favor) for ONeal makes sense to me.

But this lineup wins the East.

C - Haywood, Percherov
PF - O'Neal, Songalia
SF - Butler, McGuire
SG - Stevenson, NY1, Hall
PG - Arenas, Daniels

Posted by: KD | August 14, 2007 11:54 AM | Report abuse

I like Mike Hall over Mason b/c Hall is 6-8 and 230, showed some defensive ability, can hit the 3, and is athletic. He held his own during the summer league when he was in the game.

Posted by: DC Man88 | August 14, 2007 12:30 PM | Report abuse

69th!

Posted by: kdub | August 14, 2007 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Hall's not really a 2 though, is he?

GM, I always enjoy your analysis. Best posts in here.

And DCMan, you've been a welcome presence around here the past few days. People jump on you a little too quickly around here.

Posted by: Prazak | August 14, 2007 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Great News

There has been a trade rumor that has been going around and it involves one of our centers.The trade is as following

C.Etan Thomas For
C.Marcus Camby

Posted by: wiz man | August 14, 2007 1:04 PM | Report abuse

It seesm pretty clear that the roster is set-- the same top 8 as last year, with BH, AD and DS coming off the bench, then adding in Blatche, Pech, Yound and McGuire as the top 12 to be active day in and day out, with perhaps Booth (biannual exception) subbing for one of the forwards some nights. Then the 15-man roster will be filled out by Hall and Chase.

Do you guys really think that Pech can crack the rotation? The guy really needs to add upper body strength and learn the NBA game. YOu CANNOT go by what he did in the summer league. He will be lucky to get some minimum PT from time to time.

I think the keys are Blatche and McGuire. They seem more raedy to contribute than Pech or Young. But Blatche has shown so much naivte, immaturity and bad judgment, I wonder if Andray has the self-discipline and innate desire to fulfill his potential. I hope he does, but so far I haven't seen it. McGuire could really be a steal as a second-rounder. He is an all-around player who can contribute on both ends of the court. He seems to have his head screwed on straight. I think he will end up getting more PT than both Pech and Young and mayber as much PT as AB.

In rhe end, it will still boil down to defense. Can we play it? Will we play it?

Posted by: Rockville | August 14, 2007 1:13 PM | Report abuse

KD, i couln't agree with you more. i would trade JO for Jamison and Blatche. There is some risk as JO may never get back to his old form, but even at his current level he is better than any low post player we got. Also I don't like the thought of losing Jamison as he is clearly the silent leader of this team. The least of the concerns is losing Blatche, the guy is stupid and lazy. Not generally a good combination.

Posted by: cj | August 14, 2007 1:14 PM | Report abuse

"1.Y. MING 2.S. ONEAL 3. CAMBY 4.CHANDLER 5.D.HOWARD 6.ODEN 7.B. WAALACE 8.A. STAUDEMIRE 9.ILGAUSKAS 10.OKUR

That means he'll still be better than 20 of the starting Cs in the NBA. Also, at least 4 of the names on that list will be out of the league or playing 20 mpg as someone's aged, skill-declining backup before Bynum hits his 25th birthday.

Posted by: kalorama | August 14, 2007 1:15 PM | Report abuse

I think Hall's between a 2 and 3. He's got length, so length and jumping ability can make up for not being as quick as a normal 2. I really don't think he'll get much PT though, due to the influx of new faces to Les BouleS, namely Nick, Dmac, and Opech.

Posted by: DC Man88 | August 14, 2007 1:16 PM | Report abuse

Am I the only one who is concerned that the Wizards' only plan for a third string point guard is bringing Brian Chase, the second string point guard from the summer league team, into camp?

An injury to Arenas or Daniels and that third guy is getting meaningful minutes.

Posted by: Sean | August 14, 2007 1:20 PM | Report abuse

There's a reason 3rd string PGs are 3rd string PGs. If they're good enough to be legitimate 2nd stringers they would be.

Posted by: kalorama | August 14, 2007 1:34 PM | Report abuse

I Guess Nick Young could run the point, which allows Caron to play the 2, Jamison the 3, and Pesh/McGuire/Songaila get minutes at the 4. Just a thought.

Posted by: I Guess | August 14, 2007 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Or Nick Young moves to point and DeShawn stays at 2 and everyone else stays at their natural position, but we seem to have an abundance of shooting 4s, so I figure they could get more work.

Posted by: I Guess | August 14, 2007 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Haven't seen anything from Nick Young to suggest he'd be any better at running the point than Brian Chase.

Bottom line, if Daniels gets hurt, they can probably weather his 20 mpg absence for a while without any big problems. If Gilbert gets hurt, they're screwed regardless of who the 3rd string PG is.

Posted by: kalorama | August 14, 2007 2:18 PM | Report abuse

I feel that our offseason has been dissapointment so far because thomas and haywood probably gonna be back and head butt again next year. Our main goal is to get a low post player and we did not get no one. Our defense gonna be the same as last year and I don't see how it will be improved. I feel that it's the golden opportunity to trade jamison and get a low post player in return back, and even though jamison is our leader, if you want to contend for a championship now, mr grunfield should not afraid to make a major trade (ex Celtics)..It's the same old Wizards people.

Posted by: nv | August 14, 2007 2:35 PM | Report abuse

I wouldn't use the Celtics as a model franchise when it comes to deal-making. Ainge's history as Celtics GM is marked by random, haphazard deals that showed no hint of a plan. Even the most recent deals are a result of last ditch desperation than actual strategy. He went all in for a sort-term gain because he knew of he didn't do something splashy, he wouldn't be there in the long-term.

Posted by: kalorama | August 14, 2007 3:06 PM | Report abuse

I guy like Brian Chase can be picked up off the street. If you think that Brian Chase should be used as a 3d string PG, then I would wait until Gil or AD get hurt, then pick him up (or someone like him) off the street. He doesn't need a roster spot. That's what 10 day contracts are for.

Posted by: Bill Baxter | August 14, 2007 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Given that, too bad Les BouleS don't have more money under the cap to sign JCN or even Brevin Knight for PG insurance. That darn salary cap bites you in the butt every time!

Posted by: DC Man88 | August 14, 2007 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Yep, this team is screwed unless we sign superman AJ for stupid money and don't save his potential salary for something that will add to our championship capability. Again, AJ got quantity not quality in the playoffs. Plus, he was virtually nullified by whomever he guarded. Again, we were SWEPT!!! And, finally, if you stand close to the basket, are 6'9, and play 40 mins a game, you should get 7/8 rebounds.

Posted by: Rob P | August 14, 2007 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Rook,

I don't doubt someone may pay him that much. Hell, Vince Carter just got another 60 million and he is 20 pt, 6 rbd, no defense, non championship caliber player. So, if there is no FA out there worth your dollars, that does not mean tying up your money on AJ is the way to go. I HIGHLY doubt EG does this. I HIGHLY doubt it.

Posted by: Rob P | August 14, 2007 3:21 PM | Report abuse

Even if they had money, Knight wouldn't sign with the Wiz to be their 3rd string PG.

Bill, the point of signing Chase now is two-fold. (A) They may think he has potential to develop into a rotation player down the road and want to see him in practice to gauge what he's got and (B) If someone does get hurt, it's better to have a guy in house who knows the system than it is to pick up some stranger who has no clue (esp. at PG).

That being said, if the 3rd string PG (whoever it is) is playing more than mop up duty minutes in blowouts, the team is in trouble. The third PG spot is the least of this team's concerns.

Posted by: kalorama | August 14, 2007 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Haywood is the best center we've got, and it's ridiculous that Eddie sat him so much last year. The only reason his per-game stats sucked was because EJ didn't play him. This is especially stupid, because before EJ benched Haywood early last season, Haywood was playing as well as he had in his career--he was active, he was bangin', he was using that wingspan to make some noise on D. Seems to me that EJ's main problem with Haywood is his attitude--and ironically, Brendan's bad attitude stems from not getting enough playing time. I understand that Eddie needs to keep control of the team, but his job is to win basketball games, not put Haywood through finishing school. Legit 7-footers are a rare commodity--we've got one that is fairly athletic, can clog up the lane, and can generally play fundamentally sound basketball. Let the guy play some minutes, get him some positive feedback from a crafty coach, and he'll respond. Hell, if I was someone with Brendan's talent who got no respect from his own coaching staff, I'd be pissed off too!

Posted by: woof | August 14, 2007 3:26 PM | Report abuse

"Legit 7-footers are a rare commodity--we've got one that is fairly athletic, can clog up the lane, and can generally play fundamentally sound basketball."

Except he's not particularly athletic in any way that matters. He can run up and down the floor without tripping, but that's pretty much it. He has no discernible second-jump ability (an important thing to have when attempting to convert off. boards) and his lateral movement is average on a good day. And throwing up half-hearted hooks ten-feet from the basket and dribbling the ball of his foot on ill-conceived drives isn't especially fundamental or sound.

Posted by: kalorama | August 14, 2007 3:34 PM | Report abuse

""Again, we were SWEPT!!!""

Please name one basketball franchise that wouldn't get swept with TWO ALL STARS on the bench??

Yeah thought so.

This whole thread is a whole lot to do with nothing.

Chill relax enjoy the 2 months till camp starts.

Oh and please don't use Boston crappy a$$ AARP team as a shining example to follow. Next thing you know Doc and Danny will be coming out of retirement to fill out their roster.

Posted by: pg posse | August 14, 2007 3:35 PM | Report abuse

"Even if they had money, Knight wouldn't sign with the Wiz to be their 3rd string PG."

True, but if Les BouleS had money, they'd be able to sign JCN and he and Gilby could flip flop at 1 and 2, starting.

Posted by: DC Man88 | August 14, 2007 3:46 PM | Report abuse

As the team is currently constructed, AJ is important to the team. When the Wiz had their full complement of players and AJ played, they won. When he got hurt they started having problems.

What happened last year showed me (as I have mentioned in other posts) that AJ is more important to this than I originally thought.

If you are going to replace him, who are you going to replace him with? If you are going to trade him who do you get of commensurate value that has a contract that allows the team pay Gil the max next year and not go over the luxury tax?

BTW, the fact that AJ has such a large salary that will come off the books next year, may give the Wizards some flexibility in the free agent market once they pay Gil (if they don't want to retain AJ).

Perhaps GM can do the analysis.

Posted by: Tim | August 14, 2007 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Tim -

Tim,

I keep saying this, but I don't think some of you get it.

When AJ's contract comes off the books next year, the Wiz can then sign Arenas to a max contract without going over the luxury tax - but they will still be over the Salary Cap.

So, they will NOT be able to sign any free agents unless they use their Mid-level exception, or their Minimum salary exceptions.

So, they can either:
A. Let Jamison go, thereby saving about $11M in salary. BUT, since they are still over the cap, they could only sign a Free Agent to replace him for roughly $5.5M (mid-level exception).

B. Sign Jamison for whatever is left after signing Arenas, IF he will take it.

Of course, I made some assumptions. Like, the salary cap will still be in effect... and roughly the same as this year. Lux Tax, etc....

Posted by: Rook | August 14, 2007 5:14 PM | Report abuse

Rook, we have Bird Rights on Jamison, so that's incorrect.

Posted by: Pradamaster | August 14, 2007 5:28 PM | Report abuse

At least I'm pretty sure it's incorrect...

Posted by: Pradamaster | August 14, 2007 5:31 PM | Report abuse

Jamison will be resigned. Barring some development over the course of this season, there's really no reason to think otherwise. The only way he won't be resigned is if (A) he's traded before the deadline (which is extremely unlikely) or if he decides he wants to leave when he becomes a FA (also unlikely). They aren't going to simply renounce him because, as Rook points out, there's almost no advantage to doing so. It does nothing to help their financial flexibility or improve their chances to better the team.

"B. Sign Jamison for whatever is left after signing Arenas, IF he will take it."

There's actually no limit (beyond the actual max salary limit) to the amount for which the Wiz can sign Jamison, since he's their own FA with Bird rights. That said, he'll probably get a deal starting at around $8 or 9 mill.

Posted by: kalorama | August 14, 2007 5:33 PM | Report abuse

pg posse,

You took one little piece of what I said completely out of context. I emphasized "SWEPT" bc people seemed to think AJ was some kind of phenomenon in the playoffs, which overrates his skills more than they already are. I was not making commentary on the team as a whole. As in, if AJ was so go, why were we swept?

Bottom line: AJ is nowhere near as important to the future of this franchise as Arenas or Butler. If we lose him next year to a ridiculous contract, I will feel relief not trepidation.

Kalorama, your posts on Haywood made me lmao. It seems Haywood needs FAA clearance before he can take off and his hands are made of stone. Also, a single dribble by Haywood has a 75% chance of being a turnover. Etan is a smaller clone albeit a little tougher.

Posted by: Rob P | August 14, 2007 5:34 PM | Report abuse

Thanks, Rook. I was forgetting we would probably still be over the salary cap when (and if) we sign Gil next year.

Posted by: Tim | August 14, 2007 5:34 PM | Report abuse

Pradmaster-

Of course I know we can sign Jamison for whatever it takes..... but I'm assuming that Polin will not want to go over the Luxury Tax. I just didn't specifically list that as one of my assumptions.

Therefore, the max we could sign Jamison for (and NOT PAY THE LUXURY TAX) would be somewhere around $9-11Mil.

Rob P said he "HIGHLY doubt EG" will resign Jamison... but I think there's little chance to do anything else. Let's face it, this is life in the NBA under the Salary Cap/Luxury Tax rules.

Posted by: Rook | August 14, 2007 5:34 PM | Report abuse

Rook is right. Even if Jamison is not resigned, the Wizards will be so close to the cap that it will only have the mid-level exception to use for free agents. So what the signings of Songalia, Stevenson, and eventually Blatche have done is confined the Wizards to this group of guys for the next 3 years, barring a crazy decision to not resign Arenas or a trade.

Is this group going to win an NBA championship? That's likely not going to happen unless at least two guys really take off (e.g., Arenas becomes a top 5 player, and Blatche, Young or Pecherov becomes really good starter) or the Wizards somehow magically become a top 10 defensive team.

So when Ernie Grunfeld said that it was his plan to make the Wizards a perennial playoff contender, apparently that was the only plan. This team should be in the playoffs every year, and might occasionally get to the second or third round. As a long suffering fan, I'm not disappointed with that. But it is surprising to me that there doesn't seem to be a plan in place to shoot for something more than being a perennial playoff participant.

Which is why I am so puzzled by Grunfeld's handling of the Navarro situation. We've all debated whether Navarro will be any good, but I think we all can agree that, given his success up to this point, there is at least a small chance that he could be a really good NBA player, a Leandro Barbosa-type of impact player off the bench. And given that this roster is set for the next three years with only late first round picks, no cap room, and no ability to sign an impact player, why not roll the dice on Navarro?

Anyway, what you see is very likely what we're going to get until Etan's, Daniel's and Haywood's contracts expire in 2010.

Posted by: Henry | August 14, 2007 5:41 PM | Report abuse

If it was just Gil in the playoffs last year without Caron and AJ, or Caron w/o Gil and AJ, I believe the results would have been about the same.

A team has to have several good players to get in the playoffs, much less go anywhere once they get there.

MJ never won a playoff round until Scottie Pippen got there.

Posted by: Tim | August 14, 2007 5:44 PM | Report abuse

It seems Haywood needs FAA clearance before he can take off and his hands are made of stone. Also, a single dribble by Haywood has a 75% chance of being a turnover. Etan is a smaller clone albeit a little tougher."

Not really. Etan, despite being shorter, has much better explosion off the floor. And his attempts at putting the ball on the floor are generally more successful than Haywood's (damning with faint praise, I know) because Thomas generally doesn't even attempt to put it on the floor unless he's in a position where he can get to the rim with only 1 or 2 dribbles. Haywood too frequently puts the ball on the floor from well outside the low-post box, where he has no chance at completely a play if he meets even slight resistance.

That being said, I will again reiterate: They both suck.

Posted by: kalorama | August 14, 2007 5:44 PM | Report abuse

I guess we'll have to wait until next year to find out!!! I don't think EG is as enamored with AJ as people here seem to be. Therefore, I don't think it's a given we resign him whether or not we can resign him without paying a luxury tax. That unto itself does not make it a great idea!

Posted by: Rob P | August 14, 2007 5:47 PM | Report abuse

"We've all debated whether Navarro will be any good, but I think we all can agree that, given his success up to this point, there is at least a small chance that he could be a really good NBA player, a Leandro Barbosa-type of impact player off the bench."

Oh, I don't think we can all agree on that at all. To start with ... what success? He's 27 years old and has never played a moment of NBA ball. His success overseas is irrelevant, because just as many international players who come to the NBA end up being scrubs as stars. More, in fact. Clearly Grunfeld didn't think the odds of Navarro's success were nearly as high as some here think.

Posted by: kalorama | August 14, 2007 5:48 PM | Report abuse

It seems Haywood needs FAA clearance before he can take off and his hands are made of stone. Also, a single dribble by Haywood has a 75% chance of being a turnover. Etan is a smaller clone albeit a little tougher."

Not really. Etan, despite being shorter, has much better explosion off the floor. And his attempts at putting the ball on the floor are generally more successful than Haywood's (damning with faint praise, i know) because Thomas generally doesn't even attempt to put it on the floor unless he's in a position where he can get to the rim with only 1 or 2 dribbles. Haywood too frequently puts the ball on the floor from well outside the low-post box, where he has no chance at completely a play if he meets even slight resistance.

That being said, I will again reiterate: They both suck.

Posted by: kalorama | August 14, 2007 5:50 PM | Report abuse

Yes, really. Etan may have more explosion as you put, but it is not exactly Amareish. It's still on the slow side. Anytime there is action going on around the rim and Etan has just tried to get a rebound or make a shot but failed, I always love that what just occured look in his eyes right after the play. Seems the action is a little fast for the poet at times. And his hands suck just as bad. BUT, I agree they both suck so why parse suckiness.

Posted by: Rob P | August 14, 2007 5:56 PM | Report abuse

I agree, that barring a trade, this is the core team we will see for the next few years.

However, I'm not yet convinced that it is NOT a championship contender - IN 2 YEARS!

We have two first round picks that could be combined or packaged to move us up in the draft; and next year's draft is very, very deep. Maybe even moving us high enough to get a REAL center (like Hibbert)

Pech is a 7-footer that can shoot, moves well, and at least tries to stay in front of his man. He could develop into a nice center in the Princeton offense - passing from the elbow, setting screens, hitting 3's, and generally keeping the opposing center out of the middle, freeing Arenas, Butler for slashing drives. Key phrase is "could develop".

We still hold the rights to Veremeenko. Another european 7-footer.

Blatche has shown flashes of incredible talent. Very athletic. Good shot blocker.
Obviously needs work.

Stephenson is steady, if not spectacular.
Songaila has shown he's a solid pro.

Jamison off the bench would provide some real offensive firepower.

McGuire has talent, as does Nick Young.

The point is that I don't think Ernie Grunfeld is building a championship team for THIS YEAR.

Watch out, 2-years from now.

Posted by: Henry | August 14, 2007 5:57 PM | Report abuse

Oh Henry,

I like AJ off the bench, but who is replacing him and what price are you paying for this service after this year? I believe this team has consistent playoff team talent, but is missing the drive, toughness, experience, and defense to be a championship contender. But, hey, if Cleveland can do it, we should be able to as well.

ALERT: Adonal Foyle is available!!! Blatche or Foyle???

Posted by: Rob P | August 14, 2007 6:05 PM | Report abuse

"Yes, really. Etan may have more explosion as you put, but it is not exactly Amareish"

Which would most likely explain why I never compared him to Stoudemire. I compared him to Haywood and said he's better at getting off the floor to the rim. You agreed.

I guess we're done.

Posted by: kalorama | August 14, 2007 6:09 PM | Report abuse

Rook,

Apologies. I misunderstood you. Your breakdown is correct. This is why they need to find some way to dump some salary (Etan) sometime between now and the end of next season. Hello, trade deadline!

As people have mentioned, this is why a Jermaine O'Neal trade can't work.

Again, apologies for misunderstanding your comment.


Posted by: Pradamaster | August 14, 2007 6:19 PM | Report abuse

Short version of the Haywood/Thomas debate:

They are comporable players in terms of individual talent, but they have very different strengths. Haywood is an awful offensive player, but his defense is incredibly underrated -- check the on/off court numbers for him on 82games for evidence of this. Thomas is a solid offensive center, but his defense is putrid. He does block some shots, but he also unnecessarily swats at too many, surrendering offensive rebounding position. He also overhelps, leaving his man wide open off penetration.

Thomas is a better defensive rebounder, but Haywood's better on the offensive end.

The problem is that Haywood's strengths are much more important for this team than Thomas' strengths. The Wizards have enough scorers, but they don't have many defenders. When Haywood is out of the game, their defense suffers tremendously. It goes from being simply mediocre to being historically bad.

That's why the EJ/Haywood feud is such a big deal. It's really not worth it to figure out who's fault it is, but the bottom line is that it affects Haywood's performance.

Thomas is certainly a servicable reserve, and I happen to think he'd fit in much better elsewhere, where he can get more touches against an opponents' second-string center, but he's not going to get those as long as we have the Big 3. There's also his terrible contract to keep in mind.

Again, that's the short version. There's a lot more to this issue, and reasonable people can disagree (as can unreasonable people).

Posted by: Pradamaster | August 14, 2007 6:29 PM | Report abuse

Pradmaster - completely agree about dumping salaries.

The major deficiency of this team is the center position - where you've got two guys that they're paying starting center salaries, but both are second (or third) string at best.

Which is why I was surprised that EG was not able to package either Thomas or Haywood with JCN to Memphis for Swift (and his expiring contract) - but perhaps he tried and Memphis wouldn't go for it....

Posted by: Rook | August 14, 2007 6:32 PM | Report abuse

"Legit 7-footers are a rare commodity--we've got one that is fairly athletic, can clog up the lane, and can generally play fundamentally sound basketball. Let the guy play some minutes, get him some positive feedback from a crafty coach, and he'll respond."

Woof, you must be Brenda Toddette's agent. Haywooden is terrible and everyone knows he has no athleticism at all. Brenda is a cancer who must be traded, waived, or bought out -- whatever it takes to get rid of him/her.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 14, 2007 8:16 PM | Report abuse

"Watch out, 2-years from now.

Posted by: Henry | August 14, 2007 05:57 PM "

Two years from now Les BouleS could also be without the services of both Gilby and AJ.

Posted by: DC Man88 | August 14, 2007 8:53 PM | Report abuse

For the record, the optimistic Henry who posted at 5:57 p.m. was not me, the regular, old Henry who has been posting here for a long time, and posted less optimistic comments at 5:41 p.m.
Not that anyone cares other than me....

Posted by: Henry | August 15, 2007 9:49 AM | Report abuse

i think the team can use mason jr

Posted by: wiz43 | August 15, 2007 1:15 PM | Report abuse

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