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Hall released, Pesh out for tonight's game

The Wiz released forward Mike Hall today, leaving 13 players on the roster including center Etan Thomas, who is out indefinetely. As I reported the other day, the Mike Hall move is purely salary related. The Wiz are very close to touching the luxtury tax threshold ($67.86 million) and they, like most teams, do not want to pay the dollar-for-dollar tax. I'll confirm this later but I believe that only around five or six teams will pay the tax this season (Boston, the Knicks, Dallas, the Lakers and Denver?)

The Wiz could sign a player to a 10-day contract anytime after Jan. 5 so that could always be an option. (Where are you Billy Thomas?)

Rookie Oleksiy Pecherov is out for tonight's game against the Pistons here in Auburn Hills but may play Friday night at Toronto. Everyone else is expected to be available, including Gilbert Arenas who is moving well on that left knee after carrying heavy minutes in Atlanta the other night.

I just spoke with Eddie Jordan and his plan will be similar to the one he used the other night in Atlanta: the starters will see action in the first and third quarters and the young guys (Dominic McGuire, Nick Young and Andray Blatche) will see heavy action down the stretch.

Judging by the mood in the lockeroom the last few days, the vets can't wait for the regular season to get here. I'm in the same boat. However, every minute of action is big for the young guys and so far, they've all taken advantage. Oh, and I checked with McGuire and he said his family back in San Diego is fine. His mother had to leave her home for a couple of days but the fires have not hit the area where she lives. Dominic said that it's been hard watching the news but he's hanging in there, trying to concentrate on basketball.

By Ivan Carter  |  October 24, 2007; 7:01 PM ET
 
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is their something we don'tknow about with the Etan thing, By keeping him active?

Posted by: the truth | October 24, 2007 7:24 PM | Report abuse

damn i feel shaky bout this roster for some reason. but i hope all is well. hope steveson steps up

Posted by: i | October 24, 2007 7:44 PM | Report abuse

What does Minn have planned following this Miami deal? Do they want Etan and our #1 from Memphis? Is there anybody left on that team that we would want?

Posted by: oddjob | October 24, 2007 8:05 PM | Report abuse

I am not the DC man guy... but I'm tired of Gilbert Arenas lack of concern and little appreciation for les Boules....

I would love for AB and the Nick's to be the suprise of the year and take over this team from this fraud and his friends (DS and such...)

Posted by: Cheney | October 24, 2007 8:28 PM | Report abuse

4th quarter...

Starters looked GREAT when they all played together the first quarter, but when the subs came in they kinda gave the game away.

It looks like Jordan is trying to find a roation to start the season with. I see the starters on this team once again logging heavy minutes this year. Not good.

DMac is a gem of a player. Every time that guy sticks his arms up good things happen. Young looked real good with the starters. Unlike broken knee Hayes, he hits his open shots.

Yes, Hayes can score against back-ups. I would hope he can.(21 as we speak)

(Dmac just did something else, I can hear the game from the other room)

I sure hope the bench plays better as the season starts. They have the talent, hopefully as the season goes they will get the experience.

- Ray

PS - Watched JCN against the Rockets tonight a little bit. Guy can't play a lick of defense, maybe he was just goofing around. :P

To be contunued...

Posted by: Ray | October 24, 2007 9:39 PM | Report abuse

The starters did not look that great, especially on offense. I know many believe that it will come around, but I recall last season thinking that the Wiz players take the hardest shots (lowest percentage) of any team in the league. Thus, their misses end up as easy offense for the opposition. I see cause for concern. Stay away from the Kool-Aid these folks are peddling on this blog.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 24, 2007 10:18 PM | Report abuse

Ok - so the Pistons are still pretty good! At least for this game it looks like they are the better team.

I liked McGuire's defense. 3-blocks again tonight (although I think he only got credit for 2). I loved the tall line up in the 4th quarter with Haywood, Blatche and McGuire.

Nick Young looked OK when he was playing with the starters, but with the second unit he looked lost again.

Ray - During the regular season, in games like this one against Detroit (or other top tier teams), we may see the starters logging heavy minutes again....... but against lesser teams I think this year's bench can be counted on to give the starters significant rest.

It also looked like Detroit couldn't miss from behind the 3-point line. When will we see this new defense of Ayers? We still have trouble closing out on shooters. Granted, Detroit has more shooters than most teams, but it seemed like every play was a drive and dish to an open 3-point shooter.

Is there an uglier player in the league than Tayshaun Prince?

Posted by: Rook | October 24, 2007 10:30 PM | Report abuse

Ivan i think your corect in it being a luxery tax issue. and it makes sense. if you keep mike hall at a minimum salary somewhere around 700,000 that would put the wiz about 400,000 over the cap in actuality counting the dollar for dollar lux tax an additional 400,000 if they stay below they will get a tax relief check the same amount equally divided up to each team under the lux tax from all of the dollar for dollar money teams that go over it. which could be as much as 4 million dollars so in essence keeping mike hall, or donnell taylor would have meant costing the wiz up to 4.5 million or more realisticly combined they arent worth that. even if they get an injury exception for etan thomas that still wont give them lux tax releif. so it really doesnt matter whether or not etan is active on the roster or not. barring a group of injuries they should be fine at 13 players lets be honest hall or taylor werent going to get many if any minutes durring the regular season.

Posted by: bring back laron profit | October 24, 2007 10:35 PM | Report abuse

Pistons fan here. I was at most of the game tonight, and thought I would leave my thoughts on the Wiz.

You guys have a nice sqaud. Butler and Jamison are dependable, and am always impressed by those guys. True pros. Arenas doesnt have the same explosiveness, but im sure that will come back in due time.

I was interested to see how Stuckey and Nick Young did matched up. Stuckey is our prize rookie and will be a star in this league. Him breaking his hand in the 3rd is a huge setback for us.

At draft time, there was a big debate in Detroit of whether the Pistons should take Stuckey or Young. I have seen Stuckey play a good bit now, and everyone is confident he will be a gem. Young on the other hand scares me, if I were a Wizard fan. Hell, that other rook of yours, Dominic McGuire is a steal. McGuire can definitely make an impact this year. Young though has all the athletic ability, and has a nice stroke. But it is painfully clear his basketball IQ is zero. He just doesnt know how to play the game and doesnt look mentally tough.

I think you guys will do fine this year. Songalia is so underrated, and I think Haywood is too at times. Good luck this year, its gonna be an interesting year.

Posted by: Steve | October 24, 2007 10:45 PM | Report abuse

"Is there an uglier player in the league than Tayshaun Prince?"

Calvin Booth, Popeye Jones, Ha-Seung Jin, Sam Cassell, and Tyrone Hill = All-Time NBA Ugly Squad

6th man would Turkoglu. I forgot where I heard it but a comedian once joked that he thought Hedo looked like he was supposed to be retarded, but halfway thru, God changed his mind.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 24, 2007 10:55 PM | Report abuse

You gotta give Chris Kaman some kind of ugly award...

Posted by: Prazak | October 24, 2007 11:41 PM | Report abuse

You gotta give Chris Kaman some kind of ugly award...

Posted by: Prazak | October 24, 2007 11:41 PM | Report abuse

BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

Les BouleS down to counting pennies to make sure they are under the cap. So after next year, when and if EG gives Gilby his much ballyhooed max money, and when he also gives AJ what he wants (fools here say AJ will sign for mid level money just to stay here), I guess this team will consist of only 8 players.

Posted by: DC Man88 | October 24, 2007 11:43 PM | Report abuse

Duuuude, the shape of OPech's face reminds you of the shape of candy corn, or a praying mantis, like Shawn Marion.

Posted by: DC Man88 | October 24, 2007 11:46 PM | Report abuse

"The starters did not look that great, especially on offense."

They were leading when Jordan started subbing them with the kids and Detroit kept thier starters in. Detroit went up after that and Jordan was mixing a lot of different line-ups. I don't believe the starters all played together after that. You must have watched a different game. :P

Besides this is only pre-season, I still don't make much of it. It counts in another week.

I'm pretty harsh on the Wiz, my only concern will once again be Jordan's rotations. I think he is still figuring them out which is why I think it will be a little bit into the season before he has a set rotation. I'll cut him some slack for now because there are indeed several new players on that bench.

The good thing is you can see talent on there as opposed to last year. Bad thing is they are still young. Both Detriot and Chicago's benches outplayed the Wiz's which is why I think the starters will log in heavy minutes for at least the first half of the season.

Young is a pure shooter, I can see him getting more minutes as he learn's the pro game. I'm in love with DMac. :)

I hope Rook is right about playing the kids against lesser foes. :)

"I think you guys will do fine this year. Songalia is so underrated, and I think Haywood is too at times. Good luck this year, its gonna be an interesting year."

Visit anytime and see you in the playoffs. :)

- Ray

Posted by: Ray | October 25, 2007 12:01 AM | Report abuse

GA's knee is still a concern...we shall see. Also, is DS waiting to flip a switch? I hope so. It is becoming clear that they are really going to have to pick their spots for NYong to be effective this year, i.e., runs plays for him that get him the ball so he can catch and shoot. I'm being to think we will be fine in the trenches this year.

Posted by: oddjob | October 25, 2007 12:59 AM | Report abuse

"Is there an uglier player in the league than Tayshaun Prince?"

Yes, Rook!!!! There is! Our own
Roger Mason?? Call him piranha man!!! A face only a mother could love!! then he adds the do-do braids!! Yikes!!!!

Cassell looks like "The Turtle"

Posted by: spiderman | October 25, 2007 1:16 AM | Report abuse

The sadest news comes about mike hall. The fact none of you commented on it- is extremely disappointing. Damn the Wizards for all their worth.

Posted by: Levinator | October 25, 2007 2:08 AM | Report abuse

easy there levinator...

Everyone with the wizards wants Mike Hall to do well, they gave him a lot of time to develop, and it just didn't work out for them. I like that he is a GW alum, but he probably will have a better opportunity down the line because of this experience.

Posted by: greg | October 25, 2007 3:46 AM | Report abuse

What about Jarvis Hayes? He lead the Pistons in scoring and has done so at least twice in the preseason. I knew that he would somehow turn it around once he played elsewhere. Now why he couldn't buy a basket as a Wiz still has me scratching my head. Aughhhhhhhhh!

Posted by: Anonymous | October 25, 2007 7:29 AM | Report abuse

I watched the game, too and here are my thoughts...We STILL give up way too many uncontested jumpers. That's why we lost in a nutshell. Even jarvis hayes can knock down an open shot (sometimes). We're doubling down and collapsing and leaving guys open on the wings. Any team that can make two quick passes in succession will kill us. Also, dribble penetration hurt us. Stuckey seemed to get into the paint at will. I say let them go and see if they can get a shot up overour C rather than collapse and leave wings open. Also, the starters did NOT look great. rasheed vs. Antawn is a mismatch. AJ: can score with the best of them but can't defend against anybody big or small. As long as he's a starter, we are an offensive team. DS:As much as I hated on DS, he was one of the starters that was really trying to lock down on D. He'll play his role effectively as long as he can hit a shot when open (questionable). GA:Gil is back. He looked quick again. It's obvious he's been reading what detractors are saying about him because he's shooting less and looks to be trying to pass and set guys up more. i hope this team is better without him having to carry the load on offense. I'm not convinced yet. maybe everybody else was good because of all the attention he receives. BTH: Should only take shots within 5-8 ft from the hoop (you're right, kalorama) but can be very effective when he does that. His D was good. McDyess could do nothing with him on O or D. Caron: Very solid and plays defense. He appears to be deferring his shot, too. Songaila: Still Jordan's fave off the bench. He's slightly above average and never seems to be in the wrong place. Kinda like a center on a football team. You don't notice him but that could be because he's neither excelling nor screwing up. if we consider him to be our best bench player (as EJ apparently does), we're an average team.AB: Needs to play more with some of the starters. He's one of the best passers on this team and we'd be better served by having him play with better players. he appears to play down to the level of competition rather than dominate. He gets pushed out of position a lot and was reaching for rebounds. maxiell does this to a lot of people, though. Not sure AB is strong enough for C in a halfcourt situation. We'll need to crash the boards as a group when he's in there at C. Nick Young: will be a very good scorer in this league. He's already at the point where you expect his shot to fall every time. he doesn't appear to take bad shots. His misses are usually still good shots. McGuire: needs more pt to get better. still kinda raw but hustles, blocks shots, and sees the court. Pech: Appeared invisible at times last night. Oh, he didn't play? never mind. AD: Didn't fall down at all. Bad sign for him. EJ: His rotation is still a concern in my mind. Quit favoring all vets and develop the rookies or we'll be in the same position as last year. Gotta reduce starter minutes and get youngun's time early in the season so that by crunch time, they are not deer in headlights. Young, McGuire, AB could all be factors in the playoffs IF we develop them. Look at what Boobie did in Cleveland. Abe Pollin: needs to lower donut prices at the Verizon center. 2 bucks for a donut? crazy. I can get a whole box for 43 something at Giant.Ernie G.: good job assembling this roster. Final thoughts: We were demolished by a team that didn't play Richard Hamilton. Our D was poor last night. To be fair, Detroit hit every open shot they took. Even Jarvis was hitting shots. That's surely a sign of the apocolypse if he's killing us. I'm thinking it was an aberration and we'll be better next time out.

Posted by: mark | October 25, 2007 7:58 AM | Report abuse

make that $3 something for the donuts at Giant and not 43. Abe doesn't own Giant.

Posted by: mark | October 25, 2007 8:01 AM | Report abuse

Yo Ivan. Would Ted Lenious (spelling??) be worring about luxary tax (Mike Hall cut) if he owned the team? I have been asking since the summer for you to do a story or blog on the whole ownership issue with Ted and Abe.

As I have said before, I think Ted running the Wizards would be like Mark Cuban running the Mav's but minus all of the "showtime fluff", which translates to a good thing. It looks to me like Ted puts on a "happy face" being the Capitals owner, but the truth is he really wants the Wizards.

When he made that deal with Abe "way back when" to purchase the Capitals to get first crack at the Wizards when Abe sold them, I bet he had no idea Abe would still be "holding on to them" this long. I bet you he thinks Abe fleeced him on this deal.
Can you give us some "inside stuff" on this? Thanks........

Posted by: Bullets Fever #1 | October 25, 2007 8:31 AM | Report abuse

Still not sure why everyone's concerned about Mike Hall. Yeah, I get the local angle, but he's a marginal player at best. What's the big deal?

Posted by: Keithinator | October 25, 2007 9:00 AM | Report abuse

"AD: Didn't fall down at all. Bad sign for him."

LOL! funny.

Posted by: oddjob | October 25, 2007 9:12 AM | Report abuse

Keithinator. I'm glad you said it cuz I was sure thinking the same thing. Hall did nothing to warrant sympathy. I don't get it either.

Posted by: mark | October 25, 2007 9:19 AM | Report abuse

Add Terry Porter, Terry Cummings, Robert Parish, Larry Bird and Bobby Jones (Sixers) to the All-Time Fugly Team and then we can talk.
Re the Wiz: Jarvis Hayes showed last night what he could do on a team that actually passes the ball. As long as Gil is our point and AJ is our power forward, we will continue to be an exciting, but ultimately, losing team. Neither player attempts to play D and has yet to meet a shot he didn't like. Prediction? AJ gets demoted to give way to Blatche (a big improvement, BTW) and Nick replaces DS once Jordan hits the panic button mid-way through the season. The Wizards would be wise to start AD and AB and move move Gil to the 2 spot and bring AJ off the bench.

Posted by: Firuz | October 25, 2007 9:32 AM | Report abuse

Sad to see Mike gone...

Why did they fly him all the way to Detroit to release him? Where's the finanical savings in that?

That wasnt very classy. Damn Abe...

You wont see many Wizards jerseys on the GW campus this season...

Posted by: big man | October 25, 2007 9:52 AM | Report abuse

Fellas. You are right. I am not a Mike Hall supporter in the least bit. Now if it was Pops, you would have seen be upset then. Mike Hall should have been cut. Nice little player, but he had nothing that "jumped out" at you in his game.

His game reminded me alot of Harvey Grant's game back in the day and I always wanted Harvey game to be like his brother's Horace. I used Mike Hall as a reference to make my point about the Wiz not wanting to go over the luxary tax because of a "extra" player salary, whomever that is; and in this case it was Hall.

We only have 13 players on the roster now. If Teddy L was here, he would probably tell EG to go ahead and sign someone like Dale Davis or Kevin Willis for example to give us some backup experience at the "5" spot. Heck, he might even told EG to go after Earl Boykins as a 3rd string guard to shore up our bench even more. Money would not be a problem for Teddy L like it is for Abe right now.

Abe is trying to save every little penny, but at what expense to the overall development of the team. Will we have enough players to run practices with in between games? Or will we not because we only have 12 or 13 active players on the roster? Also, did the cost of the new "state of the art scoreboard" break Abe's player's salary bank?????

So again I ask Mike or Ivan or both, what is the deal with the ownership situation and what has Abe said to Ted these days on the subject????? thanks...

Posted by: Bullets Fever #1 | October 25, 2007 9:52 AM | Report abuse

Yeah i'm a fan of Mike Hall. The young man can play the game. Take a look at where GW has gone over the past four years and you will see that Mike Had something to do with that.

Ok, so he never got into the rotation here. That does not mean he can't play at this level. He's a free agent, this is the life of a free agent.

I know that the next uniform he wears he will show that he can play this game.


I will check back in with you folks after the All Star break so we can see if the 12 man roster is working.

Good luck Washington.

Posted by: Big Man | October 25, 2007 10:08 AM | Report abuse

Tayshaun Prince is bad, but if Gilbert weren't a superstar...Wow, might be right up there with Sam and Calvin Booth.
Uggh

Posted by: Terminator | October 25, 2007 10:10 AM | Report abuse

Firuz,
I think Ad even admitted last year that he couldn't play starter minutes for long stretches anymore. i think that AJ is at times unstoppable of O but as long as he starts, our D will never be good because his presence in the lineup hampers our D. The fact that he's too slow for SF and too small for PF means that we HAVE to dbl team people and trap. It throws off our entire D. That's why Dallas moved him to 6th man. Gilis a good enough player to adapt. He's been driving and passing more this preseason and has attemped to play D. Our problem is at the PF position. Blatche would be the better option there with Aj coming off the bench taking 15 shots a game.

Posted by: mark | October 25, 2007 10:10 AM | Report abuse

Mike Hall is a decent three, really nothing exceptional. Do we really want to keep him around when we have DMac to develop as a three?

Interesting,the better the players are that Nick Young plays with and against, the better he looks. Kid's still got some learning to do but I see him getting minutes sooner then many have expected.

Deshawn is playing like he's got one eye on the crowd, maybe he's looking for the guy from Florida to come after him with guns ablazing.

I'd agree with Ray, to compete against the top teams like the Pistons the starters are still going to log heavy minutes. Like Rook I'd hope that with a more talented, but younger bench we can have some nights where "the young bloods" could log heavy minutes and make us competitive.

Miami's trade indicates to me Riley's trying to load up one more time and the future be damned. Giving up a number one in a deal to get Ricky Davis as the center peice is a real win now move.

Jarvis really needed the change of address, the Piston's could have reaped a bargain there. But the guy still can't gaurd forwards, Jamison took him into the post and abused him a coulpe of times.

But it was interesting to see him realize when he had a size advantage on Young and post up. Last year he'd have tried to shoot the three over the littler guy and missed.

Look for the Wiz to be watching the D League closely and to utilize a series of 10 day contracts.

Not sure that I'm as concerned about going with 12 players as some on the site. In the old days that's all you had. I'm more concerned about Eddie developing our 8th to 12th players to establish some depth.

Only having 12 guys will assure that the rookies are exposed to alot of practice time. When the starters are easing through practice to save their legs Eddie will have to be working with the Rooks alot.

In the end it could be a good thing. Sometimes keeping thoose guys at the end of the bench occupied and happy can be a distraction for a coach.

You can tell Arenas is laying back and just flashing it right now to test out his burst every now and then. Jamison and Wallace were having a pretty spirited duel in the first quarter.

Alot of people are sleeping on both of these teams, I'm looking for the Wiz to be in the upper 40's in wins. The Pistons are really deep and Sheed looked really ready to play. The could still be the class of the east once again.

Posted by: GM | October 25, 2007 10:11 AM | Report abuse

" I'm more concerned about Eddie developing our 8th to 12th players to establish some depth." Yep. EJ has to actually use them in games. Nick Young looked lost out there during summer league but now looks good. I'll shut up about JCN now. NY is younger, more athletic, and has a nice jumper. I think that our startes can compete with most teams while our bench can outperform other teams benches. I think Blatche, McGuire, Nick, Songaila and Pech could be the difference between 5-10 wins if we use them correctly. Of course, I'm a hopeful fan and optimist.

Posted by: mark | October 25, 2007 10:37 AM | Report abuse

Mike Hall was going to get what, five minutes a game if he made the team. And this is at a cost of about 5 Mil maybe?

Let's beat Abe up, he's such a cheapskate to not want to have to pay a lot of money to a player that won't play anyway.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 25, 2007 10:48 AM | Report abuse

Firuz,

Jarvis Hayes showed last night what he could do on a team that actually passes the ball.

What does passing the ball have to do with Hayes hitting a jumper? He had tons of wide-open looks last year, and couldn't hit jack. And he refused to ever go to the hole. I'm glad he's gone.

As long as Gil is our point and AJ is our power forward, we will continue to be an exciting, but ultimately, losing team.

Uh, the Wiz have been to the playoffs three straight years, and were leading the East last season before the injuries hit. They're not exactly the 80s and 90s Bullets anymore (although they should never have changed the name -- I'm still convinced they picked 'Wizards' only because Juwan Howard liked it. They wanted to keep him happy no matter what).

The Wizards would be wise to start AD and AB and move move Gil to the 2 spot and bring AJ off the bench.

Gil can't play the 2. He must have the ball in his hands to be effective. And he's too small to guard other SGs.

Posted by: Keithinator | October 25, 2007 10:50 AM | Report abuse

The owners are tooo concern about being over the luxury tax! We should all forget about resigning Gilbert and AJ next season as they will discuss more about the money issue rather than what's good for the team.

Where is our offer sheet to Calvin Booth?

Posted by: Dave | October 25, 2007 10:53 AM | Report abuse

Mark,

Agreed about Young. Looks to me like he has an NBA game. He's also a lot younger than JCN and is much longer. I think this will be DeShawn's last year as a starter.

Posted by: Keithinator | October 25, 2007 10:55 AM | Report abuse

Keithinator,
jarvis was flat out bad last year. Maybe he was STILL not completely healthy. I know there have been times when he looked good here. I think he just had a good night and maybe has his mojo back. He sure was terrible here although he had many chances. Once Rip comes back and he is coming off the bench with pressure to produce, I'm sure they'll see the same old
jarvis 'Clang' hayes that we saw.

Posted by: mark | October 25, 2007 11:26 AM | Report abuse

When you hand a player uniform #1 as the Wizards did to Nick Young, you know they are counting on seeing #0 and #1 playing side by side in the backcourt... Since I am in Europe, I have not had a chance to see Young in action, but he seems to have the touch offensively. I agree with the Keithinator that it is only a matter of time before he replaces DeShawn as starter (and hopefully proves John Hollinger wrong).

Posted by: khrabb | October 25, 2007 11:32 AM | Report abuse

I've always thought Mike Hall was a glue guy - he's got the basketball IQ, he can play defense, rebound, make the jumper. He's not flashy and he's not going to be a superstar but I think he can help out any team.

Posted by: Andrew | October 25, 2007 11:38 AM | Report abuse

As I recall, and I'm sure you all do more than I, Abe P actually got paid that
$50 Mil from D.C. for the orig. center.
And I understand he's closing out other deals as well.

Sounds like he might be cashing in his chips - preparing for retirement. "Bulletsforever"
You could be right. He's goin cheap cuz its not of the greatest importance to him now. It appears he likes to "fix" the team just enough to be able to make "millions" at the box. I still can figure what good Tapscott is to this team after his regular negative comments about Jordan & the team.

Its their consistent selection of individuals of "mediocrity" that has concerned me for some time.

When the defensive coach came in(can't recall his name??)I thought WoW!! they're getting serious!! But it lasted 10 seconds -he left. Then they hired Ayers and Tapscott. I'm with you guys..Who is the new President of the Organization?

I would not be surprised if he does retire shortly having accomplished the one thing he waited years to do - embarass MJ - cuz he said MJ embarassed, insulted him years before, suggesting he sell the team so someone more progressive could take over...Famous last words - except Abe said he never forgot.

Posted by: ESPN | October 25, 2007 11:38 AM | Report abuse

this fugly list is incomplete without Michael Ruffin. He looks like an alien. and how about Gheorge Muresan

Posted by: the truth | October 25, 2007 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Dave, Calvin Booth signed with the Sixers...this has been mentioned several times.

Posted by: Lisa | October 25, 2007 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Larry Bird is the ugliest man to ever put on a basketball uniform. The others mentioned are also on the list, but Larry Legend takes the Ugly cake, as far as I'm concerned. It's hard to look at the guy.

Posted by: Keithinator | October 25, 2007 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Actually, think about that whole Celtics team. Kevin "Herman Munster" McHale, Parish (shudder). That's a front line in the Ugly wing of the HOF. And Dennis Johnson wasn't exactly Brad Pitt, was he? Ainge wasn't ugly, but he was an effeminate pretty boy who whined nonstop.

They could play a little ball, however.

Posted by: Keithinator | October 25, 2007 11:54 AM | Report abuse

The latest Gil blog might be the best thing I've ever read.

Posted by: The Owl Wizard | October 25, 2007 12:07 PM | Report abuse

whew. that 86 celts team with bird (the version with the 80's Village people mustache), parish and mchale and Dj is pretty fugly. Gotta agree.

Posted by: mark | October 25, 2007 12:12 PM | Report abuse

What Jarvis Hayes showed last night was that he can be eaten alive trying to guard a good forward. Jamison isn't even as quick as alot of threes and he made him look like he was planted in cement when he put a spin move on him a couple of times.

I really think that alot of Jarvis's shooting ills last year stemmed from Jordan using him at power forward quite a bit. Matching up against a bigger stronger guy and trying to keep him from posting up really eats your legs up.

For a guy coming off a two year layoff with a busted knee cap trying to guard power forwards then pull them away from the rim with the three ball was alot to ask.

He'll shoot better this year for the Pistons, but he's really limited in what he can do. He has a hard time guarding bigger guys and little quick guards give him a fit.

He maybe better than Young today, but I'm not sure that if they matchup in April Young won't get the best of him. Same with Navarro, I see Young having a much higher upside.

I'm not one of those that said Navarro would be a complete NBA bust, he'll definitely put up some points and play quite a bit with Memphis. I'm just curious how they'll try and matchup against the tougher two guards when he's on the court.

From what little I've managed to catch of him so far it's hard for me to see how we could have improved defensively with him and Arenas on the court together.

Posted by: GM | October 25, 2007 12:29 PM | Report abuse

Keithinator's right, Gil's too small and too ball-happy to play the 2.

Why all the Abe bashing? If Ivan's right there are only five owners willing to pay the luxury tax? And three of them are Mark Cuban, who likes to flash his money, and James Dolan and Jerry Buss, who have no problem spending stupid money (like following a sexual harrassment lawsuit that should have been settled out of court for pennies on the dollar).

How does that make Abe a cheapskate? The Lerner brothers come in here on the back of MLB's shakedown of the District out of how many millions of dollars to build a new stadium? Dan Snyder throws gobs of money down the hole year in and year out chasing free agents? And we're bashing Abe because he doesn't want to drop something like $5m on a guy like Mike Hall? And hailing Ted Leonsis as the answer to our problems, notwithstanding all the problems with the Caps?

Abe built the phone booth with private money and helped transform the heart (and the taxable base) of this city. He's finally got a capable GM and is bankrolling him right up to the cap. What more do you want?

Posted by: Prazak | October 25, 2007 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and how can we have overlooked Dennis Rodman? Dude has to be on the Top 10 all-time fugliest...

Posted by: Prazak | October 25, 2007 12:32 PM | Report abuse

"Why all the Abe bashing? If Ivan's right there are only five owners willing to pay the luxury tax? And three of them are Mark Cuban, who likes to flash his money, and James Dolan and Jerry Buss, who have no problem spending stupid money (like following a sexual harrassment lawsuit that should have been settled out of court for pennies on the dollar)."

It's one thing to not spend money if you've got a full roster, but Les BouleS are shorthanded by 2 players and Abe would rather take the hit than spend. Granted Hall might never get off the bench, but ET was probably the second guy off the bench for the 5, and he even started some games.

The way I see it is this, if Les BouleS are shorthanded, and there are no better available prospects out there than James Lang or Sun Ming Ming, then EG might have to warm up his trade machine and get somebody here who can be a serious player at the 5. He might have to give up one of the young prospects (young, opech, or dmac) to get a decent veteran at the 5.

Posted by: DC Man88 | October 25, 2007 12:39 PM | Report abuse

"You can tell Arenas is laying back and just flashing it right now to test out his burst every now and then. Jamison and Wallace were having a pretty spirited duel in the first quarter.

Posted by: GM | October 25, 2007 10:11 AM "

Yea, Gilby was being really coy with that knee that had to get fluid drained. Yea.

Posted by: DC Man88 | October 25, 2007 12:41 PM | Report abuse

I thought Mike Hall would have been effective coming off the bench.

He seemed like a good guy and I hope he gets picked up by another team.

Posted by: pj | October 25, 2007 12:51 PM | Report abuse

"Like Rook I'd hope that with a more talented, but younger bench we can have some nights where "the young bloods" could log heavy minutes and make us competitive."

I think this will happen, I'm more willing to be patient as a fan because the talent is definately there. It's gonna take some time though.

And yes Jamison took 'Arvis to the hole a few times and promptly got fouled. Again, for the most part Arvis was playing against rookies I'm not puting to much into his 21 point night at the moment. It's only preseason.

I'm not really a Mike Hall fan, so I can't identify with everyone here. I am a Juan Dixon fan and was sad to see him go. Either way, I'm not unhappy with either move. You gotta do what you gotta do, it's still a business. I mean con'on, those last bench spots are for guys who only play at mop up time anyway.

And for all those who saw the Wiz actually played defense in the opening quarter(as stated by another blogger). They really did get stops, it kinda took me by surprise. :)

- Ray

Posted by: Ray | October 25, 2007 1:04 PM | Report abuse

Enough with all this "shorthanded" talk. The Wiz are not shorthanded. They'll have 12 players on the active roster, which is the maximum they're allowed (and Etan on the inactive list). Given that they'll probably only play a nine man regular rotation (with maybe one other guy getting spot minutes), 12 active players is a full complement. Even if they did fill the other two inactive slots, they'd only fill them with scrubs/benchwarmers/practice players who would likely never see a minute of meaningful PT. The only way anyone in those spots would ever play would be if the rest of the roster was decimated by injuries. And if that happens, they're screwed anyway.

Posted by: kalorama | October 25, 2007 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Well at least we know who wont stand for Mike Hall when he checks in against the Wizards on his next call up.... ;(

Look if you get the history books you will see that no GM has ever matched Ernie's Offer Sheet to any of his players albeit big or small, the other 29 GM's know his his history at the table and when he puts an offer out there he knows that the other 29 teams will look the other way. Andre's agent saw that, Jarvis agent saw that. Shall I go back this days as a Knick GM?

WhEN you have that much power and you have an ownership that will keep quite and let you do the talking you can pretty much do what you want. See John Paxson.... Bull 4 Life!

The pressure is on EJ. he just took a big check too. Gil wants every minute of his 15 and this market is too samll for him. He sees this. You will see other major market teams go after him next season and some team will force Ernie to go up stairs and get the big check. He wants to be in every addias ad.

If Abe is a Salary cap guy he will have Gil next season and Caron and thats it. A couple of Euro workhorses and thats about all they will be able to afford.

Antwan wont be cheap next year either.

So it will be very interesting to see what Gil will do this season to call Ernie's bluff and get what he wants.

Abe will need that $5m back from the cap this season because it will be his last season under it.

NBA REVENUE SHARING IS ON ITS WAY PEOPLE!!!!

EIGHT TEAMS HAVE SUBMITTED A PROP TO DAVID.

Posted by: Big man | October 25, 2007 1:52 PM | Report abuse

You either get the check to come or you get the check to go but very few ever get the check to stay.....

Posted by: Big man | October 25, 2007 2:00 PM | Report abuse

The problem with Hall is that he is stucked behind McGuire, so he is not going to get minutes, luxary tax or not!

Of course, it is a different story if someone goes down. But you can always sign someone then based on the position of need.

Posted by: Sagaliba | October 25, 2007 2:02 PM | Report abuse

"

Enough with all this "shorthanded" talk. The Wiz are not shorthanded. They'll have 12 players on the active roster, which is the maximum they're allowed (and Etan on the inactive list). Given that they'll probably only play a nine man regular rotation (with maybe one other guy getting spot minutes), 12 active players is a full complement. Even if they did fill the other two inactive slots, they'd only fill them with scrubs/benchwarmers/practice players who would likely never see a minute of meaningful PT. The only way anyone in those spots would ever play would be if the rest of the roster was decimated by injuries. And if that happens, they're screwed anyway.

Posted by: kalorama | October 25, 2007 01:20 PM "

Uh, you are short handed when last season's part time starter/#2 guy off the bench for the 5 position is out indefinitely, and if Les BouleS get the exception, and they don't fill it.

Posted by: DC Man88 | October 25, 2007 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Big man, but what about Larry and Jared? There were two players valued by the organization who walked because another GM, instead of looking the other way, was ready to pay them more than Ernie was.

I'm no cap expert, but from what I've read it seems like Ernie will have enough next year to pay Gilbert more than any other team next year, plus sign AJ back for a short contract, without going into luxury tax territory. Nobody's going to offer AJ anything like the $15m or so he's getting this year, so he'll be going for a lot cheaper whether he wants to or not. The only question, I'm guessing, is whether he'll want to play for the Wizards or Charlotte.

That's on top of the guys he's already got under contract: Caron, DS, AB, BTH, AD, Songaila, the rookies. So instead of a future team with, as you said, Gil and Caron and a bunch of Euros, it looks to me like he's got a core of quality players, without crossing the luxury threshold. No?

Posted by: Prazak | October 25, 2007 2:15 PM | Report abuse

There are only about 5 other teams over the luxury tax and the Knicks are one of them so I would not be to down on Pollin for not going over the luxury tax. He isn't the only owner unwilling to cross that threshold.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 25, 2007 2:56 PM | Report abuse

The advantage that Les BouleS have with Gilby is that they can sign him for a 6 year extension vice 5 years from any other team. If I were EG, I'd sign Gilby on at that amount if I could then flip him to another organization for better, more durable team players. Also, I seriously doubt if AJ would sign with Les BouleS at any type of mid level salary.

Posted by: DC Man88 | October 25, 2007 2:56 PM | Report abuse

As a Wiz fan, I would have no problem trading Gil if it meant landing a Deron Williams or other future all-star PG out of college. Gil will end up like AI, a bigtime scorer who never wins a championship or an assist title.

With the injury, Gils stock has plummeted significantly.

Posted by: Charlie | October 25, 2007 3:21 PM | Report abuse

"Uh, you are short handed when last season's part time starter/#2 guy off the bench for the 5 position is out indefinitely, and if Les BouleS get the exception, and they don't fill it."

Unh .. nope.

By definition, shorthanded means you don't have enough personnel to do the job. That's simply not the case. Etan is gone, but between increased minutes for Haywood, an improving Blatche, a healthy Songaila, increased minutes for Haywood, and Pecherov, they have more than enough bodies, talent to fill the gap.

Posted by: kalorma | October 25, 2007 3:43 PM | Report abuse

"

"Uh, you are short handed when last season's part time starter/#2 guy off the bench for the 5 position is out indefinitely, and if Les BouleS get the exception, and they don't fill it."

Unh .. nope.

By definition, shorthanded means you don't have enough personnel to do the job. That's simply not the case. Etan is gone, but between increased minutes for Haywood, an improving Blatche, a healthy Songaila, increased minutes for Haywood, and Pecherov, they have more than enough bodies, talent to fill the gap.

Posted by: kalorma | October 25, 2007 03:43 PM "

You're wrong. Be definition, short handed in this case means you have one less body (2 if you include Hall) meaning you have 6 fewer fouls to give before you forfeit the game if you don't have 5 players to take the court.

Etan can't magically spread his 6 fouls to those other dudes you mentioned.

Posted by: DC Man88 | October 25, 2007 4:03 PM | Report abuse

A team can only activate 12 players in a game. Wizards have 12 players, so how can any adiitional players (who will be inactive) come on to the court and give fouls. Heck, if they do they will be penalized by the league!

Posted by: Anonymous | October 25, 2007 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Why would anyone bring in a street free agent to sit at the end of the bench and cost the organization 4 million? We aren't the Knicks.

Thee's no pressing need to add another Center because:
-Only a few teams around the league have decent back up centers anyway.
-They'd rather give that time to Blatche and Pesh because...
-EJ prefers to go small and likes the match up problems the 2 young-ins present the opposing defense.
-They can always add a body for 10 days here or there if guys need nights off and not worry about the luxury tax as its calculated on the date of the last regular season game.

Posted by: Monte | October 25, 2007 5:11 PM | Report abuse

This discussion over the backup Wiz center reminds me a bit of the way 'Skins fans (like me) will debate the relative merits of the second- and third-string quarterback.

I agree with Kalorama; I think the center position will be stronger for us than it has been for a few years. Note that I didn't say it would be strong, just that it will be stronger than it's been, with Eddie having more options.

I also noticed in a recent story that Blatche is at 248 pounds now. That's getting closer to center size. He doesn't look 248 to me; I would've guessed closer to 230.

Posted by: Keithinator | October 25, 2007 5:32 PM | Report abuse

if you really think aboutit all the players that have been wizards and have been bad to decent here and went to detroit eneded up being superstars...it wouldnt suprise me if jarvis turns out the same

Posted by: Fulvio | October 25, 2007 5:59 PM | Report abuse

Believe it or not, somewhere recently Ivan mentions that Blatche is now about 260 lbs. whereas last year he was 248. I'm almost sure of it. It was mentioned shortly after his arrest and how he had worked really hard in the weight room and on his game as a show of appreciation for his new contract. Hard to believe it the way he looks quite skinny, still, he is close to 7 feet tall and Gil is already 220+ at 7 inches shorter.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 25, 2007 6:33 PM | Report abuse

My apologies, it wasn't Ivan that mentioned Blatche gaining weight to 260 lbs., it was actually Steve Buckhantz on VCU Day 4 of during the Wizards practice blogs. It's here at the 12:25 mark: http://www.washingtonwizardsblog.com/2007/10/05/wizards-training-camp-buckhantz-from-vcu-day-4/

Posted by: Anonymous | October 25, 2007 7:08 PM | Report abuse

"if you really think aboutit all the players that have been wizards and have been bad to decent here and went to detroit eneded up being superstars...it wouldnt suprise me if jarvis turns out the same"

Would it surprise me if he became a reliably productive player in Detroit? Not at all. It would shock the living hell out of me if he became a superstar, however.

Posted by: kalorama | October 25, 2007 7:09 PM | Report abuse

Same day, also mentioned Blatche being 260 by the Times Dispatch: http://www.inrich.com/cva/ric/sports.apx.-content-articles-RTD-2007-10-05-0097.html

Posted by: Anonymous | October 25, 2007 7:12 PM | Report abuse

Blatche looks to me like he is about 260. he looks alot thicker than the rail from last year.

Posted by: jwc | October 25, 2007 7:25 PM | Report abuse

For all this talk about Gilbert being too small to play the 2, let's not forget that some best 2 guards have been guys under 6'-4" (Joe Dumars, Vinnie "the microwave" Johnson, etc.). If Gil is killing the team at the point because of his propensity to shoot under any and all circumstances, it's only right that he be moved to a position where he actually helps the team. BTW, AD averaged 11 assists in the playoffs with a bunch stiffs. He could average at least that many with the "Big Three" healthy and ready to go. I've said it before and I'll say it again, "We're not winning a championship until Gil is moved from the point." He's a teriffic player but he's NOT a max-contract guy and he's not a point guard.

Posted by: Firuz | October 25, 2007 7:26 PM | Report abuse

Blatche looks 260 to me. He doesn't have the conspicuous musculature of a Kwame Brown, but he's definitely bulkier than last year. Hasn't slowed him down at all, though, which is great.

To put Jarvis' 21 points in perspective, remember that he had an occasional good game for the Wizards, usually sandwiched between long stretches of mediocrity. I never could understand how a guy with such beautiful form could hit the back iron so often...I'm talking really ugly bricks. Nick Young's shot isn't quite as aesthetically pleasing, but it goes in consistently. Nick is starting to attack the rim, too, and he seems like a pretty good finisher. We never got that from Jarvis, especially after his injuries.

Posted by: John Brisker | October 25, 2007 8:28 PM | Report abuse

Count me as one of those who would like to see Gilbert at the 2 eventually. Problem with AD is that he can't play consistent big minutes over a long season and there is no backup for him (which is why I wanted JCN instead of Stevenson). And for those of you mentioning that it is nice to have NY instead of JCN. That wasn't the issue for many of us. It was JCN instead of Stevenson.

My only other question is why it seems that Pat Riley can find pigeons to trade and help the #@$$#@#$#@$@# Heat! I mean Ricky Davis for that old wiggling putz Antoine Walker. Dammit! Kevin McHale is a complete schmuck!

Posted by: George Templeton | October 25, 2007 9:38 PM | Report abuse

George,

I agree wholeheartedly with you about JCN and for the same reasons. Additionally, he and Gilbert would be interchangeable in the backcourt and spread the opponent's defense tremendously. Defense would be another story, but at least Gil could play his more natural position and the ball would move. DS has the to be the worst starting 2-guard in the league. I defy anyone to name a worse starter at the 2.

Posted by: Firuz | October 25, 2007 10:12 PM | Report abuse

Checkout Ivan's story for tomorrow. In it EJ pretty much says that DS is on a shortle at shoting guard. He is already considering changes although he is not pushing any panic buttons. Again, the decision to sign the more expensive DS over JCN will haunt us. Please, no false choice responses (offense vs. defense), we had the argument before and it still does not make sense since I are not arguing offense vs. defense.

Posted by: Skeef | October 25, 2007 10:26 PM | Report abuse

Checkout Ivan's story for tomorrow. In it EJ pretty much says that DS is on a shortle at shoting guard. He is already considering changes although he is not pushing any panic buttons. Again, the decision to sign the more expensive DS over JCN will haunt us. Please, no false choice responses (offense vs. defense), we had the argument before and it still does not make sense since I are not arguing offense vs. defense.

Posted by: Skeef | October 25, 2007 10:26 PM | Report abuse

what makes DS horibble the playoffs last year were he was asked to do more than what he's capable of. I find it hard to say someone's a bad player when in the regular season he shoots 50% from the field and 40% from 3 and plays good defense.Maybe u guys would be happier with another guy who shoots 48% for the field and 34% from 3s and plays no d wait thats JCN stats in spain oh I forgot he avg 2 asst a game also

Posted by: Jwc | October 25, 2007 10:27 PM | Report abuse

I agree we need better than DS. But there was really nobody else out there at the time. It's the same with centers who do we get? there isn't anyone available. So argue all you want but we have done the best we can at the moment. I'm tired of the Navarro talks yes he was great in spain but who did he play against, really nobody.

Posted by: the truth | October 25, 2007 10:34 PM | Report abuse

Maybe u guys would be happier with another guy who shoots 48% for the field and 34% from 3s and plays no d wait thats JCN stats in spain oh I forgot he avg 2 asst a game also

Posted by: Jwc | October 25, 2007 10:27 PM

WOW thats some PG. Can't wait for the season to start so JCN can play against some real competition and we can really see just what he is

Posted by: jcrock | October 25, 2007 10:42 PM | Report abuse

For those of you who think that Gilbert Arenas is going to accept a contract from another team next year when he is a Free Agent, consider this:

Antawn Jamison's current contract (at $16.3M per year) is ending at the end of this year. So, the Wizards will have roughly $29 Million dollars to re-sign their Free Agents (Gilbert and Antawn).

Next year, Gilbert Arenas will be a 7-year pro.

The Collective Bargaining Agreement sets the rules for the Minimum and Maximum allowed salaries for NBA players. The 2007-2008 Maximum Salary for a 7-year pro is $15,649,500, so the max salary for 2008-2009 should be around $16.5 Million. (I couldn't find the exact amount, so I extrapolated from the 2005-2006 to the 2006-2007 and the 2007-2008 Maximums).

The Collective Bargaining Agreement (CBA) states that the maximum raise allowed is 10.5% of the first year salary. So, roughly $1,732,500 per year increase in salary is allowed under the CBA rules.

The maximum contract length allowed by the CBA is 5 years, EXCEPT in the case of "Qualifying Veteran Free Agents".

Since Gilbert Arenas is a "Qualifying Veteran Free Agent" as established under the CBA rules, the Wizards can re-sign him to a 6-year contract. No other team in the League can offer more than a standard 5-year contract. No other team can offer more than the 7-year pro Maximum salary amount allowed under the CBA. No other team can exceed the 10.5% raise allowed by the CBA.

If the Wizards offer a Max contract 6-year deal worth approx $125M, The best ANY OTHER TEAM in the NBA could do would be 5-years $100M. Gilbert would be walking away from about $25M if he signs with another team.

Once Arenas is signed, the Wizards will still have $13-$14 Million to offer to Antawn Jamison (depending on what the 2008-2009 Salary Cap is set at), and still not go over the Luxury Tax limit. Remember, Jamison is also a "Qualifying Veteran Free Agent", and can be re-signed by the Wizards even if they are over the Salary Cap. The Wizards could offer him a 6-year deal as well. (Probably not a good idea, considering his age, but they could do it without violating any CBA rules)

Other teams could only offer Jamison a contract if they are UNDER the Salary Cap, unless they use the Mid-Level Exception. This year the Mid-Level was about $6 Million. I've been trying to find the current cap situation for all 32 teams in the league, but since some teams don't publish salaries, especially for future years, it's difficult to know where every team will be next year in relation to the Salary Cap - - - but I'm pretty sure that there are NO OTHER TEAMS that will be more than $13M UNDER the Salary Cap next year that will be able to offer Jamison more money than the Wiz can offer.

So, why did Gilbert Arenas "opt-out" of his existing contract?
Think what will happen if he has a serious injury before the end of his contract - NO team would want to sign him for $100 Million Dollars if he is seriously injured. Makes sense to opt-out of the final year and lessen the risk of losing the big payday. PLUS, he knows the ONLY TEAM THAT CAN SIGN HIM FOR $125 Million Dollars are the Wizards.

So - for those of you who think that Gilbert Arenas is leaving next year because he is selfish, only looking out for himself, wanting to get the MAXIMUM money he can get regardless of loyalties, etc... (you listening DC Man88?) - This should put to rest any questions as to why he opted out.... He gets PAID!

For those of you who were perplexed why he opted-out of his contract EARLY, perhaps you can see it was in his best interest to mimimize the risk of playing only one-year before getting the max contract versus playing two years.

Actually, If I were Ernie Grunfeld, when I heard that Gilbert is opting out of his contract at the EXACT SAME TIME that Antawn Jamison's contract is expiring - I would have been jumping for joy... Because, really - that's the only scenario that has Gilbert staying with this team - AND resigning Jamison - AND keeping the rest of the core team intact.

Gee, It's almost like someone planned it that way!

Posted by: Rook | October 25, 2007 11:20 PM | Report abuse

JCN was never going to play here, full stop. His agent and team didn't make him available until the Wiz had already committed to DS. (Put aside the fact that the Wiz probably don't need another small ball-happy guard who can't play defense.) Why do we keep beating this dead horse?

Gil's too short to play alongside AD in the backcourt. You had some small backcourts in the 80s, admittedly, but these days most of the 2s are too big and long. Besides, AD can't handle the minutes at starting PG.

Posted by: Prazak | October 25, 2007 11:20 PM | Report abuse

Wow, Rook, good stuff. Thanks for the detail on the CBA.

I don't mind Gilbert acting in his best interest by opting out. But I could have done without the hypocrisy of it. He made a big show of saying he wasn't going to max out a contract and drain the team's payroll because he didn't want to end up like KG in Minnesota. Now it looks like that's exactly what he wants to do.

Again, I don't blame him. Who among us would leave $25m sitting on the table? Just don't pretend you're doing the team any favors.

Posted by: Prazak | October 25, 2007 11:31 PM | Report abuse

Actually, if you think about it - he didn't drain the team. By opting out when Jamison's contract expires - he essentially ensures he can stay, and the team can keep the core intact.

If he had played out his contract to the end - we would lose Jamison, still be over the cap and unable to sign anyone else.

Best case scenario has us re-signing Jamison for something less than the $13-$14Million and perhaps using a Mid-Level exception for $5-6 Million to sign another Free Agent...

Posted by: Rook | October 25, 2007 11:54 PM | Report abuse

And actually - I think Arenas did himself AND the team a favor by opting out when Jamison's contract was up...

Like I said, Ernie Grunfeld should be really happy - he has a ton of options next year.

If the team flops this year and he does not want to keep the core team intact, he can let Jamison and Arenas walk, and still be under the salary cap to sign other Free Agents. NOT that I think that is what he should do!!!!

Posted by: Rook | October 25, 2007 11:57 PM | Report abuse

Someone thought this out pretty well. I wouldn't be surprised to find out that Grunfeld put the bug in Arenas' ear to opt out early.....

Posted by: Rook | October 25, 2007 11:58 PM | Report abuse

EJ said he is considering playing Young more.

From Ivan's story today:

"I wanted to get Nick a certain amount of minutes, somewhere in between 20 and 25, and in order to do that, I wanted to get him in early," Jordan said. "Roger's played pretty well and normally he and Antonio are the first two guards off the bench but this is the preseason and it's a time to look at some things. Nick has made some headway."

Stevenson is averaging 3.5 points on 24 percent shooting in six preseason games.

"It's early and we're not making a whole lot of judgments right now, but DeShawn has not played at a high level and we want to compete at that spot," Jordan said. "We want to see what's going to happen there. I'm not pushing any quick solution buttons but it's the NBA way. DeShawn is working hard and doing things defensively and that's his holding card but we'd like to get a little bit more from that spot."

Posted by: Anonymous | October 26, 2007 12:20 AM | Report abuse

"I don't mind Gilbert acting in his best interest by opting out. But I could have done without the hypocrisy of it. He made a big show of saying he wasn't going to max out a contract and drain the team's payroll because he didn't want to end up like KG in Minnesota. Now it looks like that's exactly what he wants to do.

Again, I don't blame him. Who among us would leave $25m sitting on the table? Just don't pretend you're doing the team any favors.

Posted by: Prazak | October 25, 2007 11:31 PM "

OMG, you've converted!

Posted by: DC Man88 | October 26, 2007 12:55 AM | Report abuse

"Again, I don't blame him. Who among us would leave $25m sitting on the table? Just don't pretend you're doing the team any favors.

Posted by: Prazak | October 25, 2007 11:31 PM "

The real twist in the dagger to everyone's gut is that Gilby said that his injury was an awakening, and that extra 15 mil dollars, on top of the 100 mil from his first contract, was necessary to give his family financial security.

I don't blame Gilby for being greedy, and I know he didn't major in math or finance the two years he spent at 'Zona, but don't pretend with a straight face0 that 100 mil (not including endorsements) isn't enough to give your family financial security.

Posted by: DC Man88 | October 26, 2007 1:04 AM | Report abuse

"A team can only activate 12 players in a game. Wizards have 12 players, so how can any adiitional players (who will be inactive) come on to the court and give fouls. Heck, if they do they will be penalized by the league!

Posted by: | October 25, 2007 04:48 PM "

Last I checked, ET was probably the 6th or 7th player off the bench if he was not starting. Therefore, you are shorthanded because the level of "talent" you had from ET isn't being replaced.

Posted by: DC Man88 | October 26, 2007 1:08 AM | Report abuse

"Stevenson is averaging 3.5 points on 24 percent shooting in six preseason games.

"It's early and we're not making a whole lot of judgments right now, but DeShawn has not played at a high level and we want to compete at that spot," Jordan said. "We want to see what's going to happen there. I'm not pushing any quick solution buttons but it's the NBA way. DeShawn is working hard and doing things defensively and that's his holding card but we'd like to get a little bit more from that spot." "


BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

I called it even before DS was considered to be resigned. EG should have never signed the bum. I'd rather have JCN who can score and create his own shot, regardless if he can defend or not, rather than DS who now can neither score nor defend.

DS is not really a guy who can create his own shot or work a scheme with a teammate. What he's known for last year for a SHORT period of time was hitting an open shot when his defender went to double someone, and DS was a no show during the first round playoff sweep. DS will be the new Brandon Lloyd.

Posted by: DC Man88 | October 26, 2007 1:12 AM | Report abuse

Who has an in with JCN's agent? I got a few questions I would like to have answered. The certainty with which you exclaim that JCN did not want to come to DC is pretty amazing. It is as if you have been talking to his team and agent. When did his season end in Spain? Hmmm... I seem to recall his discussions with the team occuring then. Anyway, does not matter much because you and I are both SPECULATING. You do not know anymore than anyone else except JCN, etc.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 26, 2007 1:19 AM | Report abuse

OK - so knowing that the Wizards can offer Arenas a 6-year max contract worth approx $125 Million next year.... which teams might be in the running:

Atlanta Hawks - One of the FEW teams in the NBA currently under the Salary Cap (by a few dollars). They will have enough Cap room, but if they signed Arenas to anything close to $16M per year, they would then not be able to re-sign ALL their Free Agents (including: Josh Smith, Josh Childress, Lorenzen Wright & Anthony Johnson, etc...) without going over the Luxury Tax - so put Atlanta down as a potential player, but at a high cost to their core team.

Boston Celtics - Forget it. Over the Cap for years to come.

Charlotte Bobcats - This team is currently almost $3M UNDER the salary cap!! Now, you want to talk about a cheap owner... They will have barely enough to scratch up $16.5M under the cap, but it takes 8 expiring contracts....!!!

Chicago Bulls - Even if they didn't re-sign Ben Gordon, Luol Deng, and Chris Duhon, they still wouldn't be under the cap by enough to sign Arenas.

Cleveland Cavaliers - Another team that won't be under the cap for years.

Dallas Maverics - They are almost $40 Million OVER the cap.... Oh to have that kind of money... But they will not be able to get under the cap to sign Arenas.

Denver Nuggets - With Anthony, Iverson, Kenyon Martin and Canby all with big contracts and multiple contract years remaining, they can't get under the cap.

Detroit Pistons - Already $13M over the cap, with only $13M in expiring contracts - Scratch Detroit.

Golden State Warriors - Not enough cap room in 2008-2009

Houston Rockets - NO cap room in 2008-2009

Indiana Pacers - No cap room in 2008-2009

Los Angeles Clippers - Not enough cap room in 2008-2009

Los Angeles Lakers - Even with Kwame Brown's $9M expiring contract, they will have NO cap room in 2008-2009

Memphis Grizlies - Not enough cap room in 2008-2009

Miami Heat - WAY over the cap in 2008-2009

Milwaukee Bucks - No cap room in 2008-2009

Minnesota Timberwolves - they have 10 contracts worth $28 Million coming off in 2008-2009 that will put them around $16,590,000 under the cap - so, Technically they could offer Arenas a Max contract, but then they would be at the Salary cap, with only 9 players under contract. They would probably lose Randy Foye and Al Jefferson. McHale is not exactly Einstein, but I don't think he's that stupid!

New Jersey Nets - No cap room in 2008-2009

New Orleans Hornets - No cap room in 2008-2009

New York Knicks - forget it.

Orlando Magic - Believe it or not, even though they just signed Rashard Lewis to that insane contract, this team could sign Arenas to a max contract and STILL be under the cap!!! That's how much money they have coming off the books in 2008-2009. Rashard Lewis, Dwight Howard AND Arenas on the same team?

Philadelphia 76ers - No cap room in 2008-2009

Phoenix Suns - No cap room in 2008-2009

Portland Trail Blazers - No cap room in 2008-2009

Sacramento Kings - No cap room in 2008-2009

San Antonio Spurs - Not enough cap room in 2008-2009

Seattle Supersonics - Not enough cap room in 2008-2009

Toronto Raptors - Not enough cap room in 2008-2009

Utah Jazz - Not enough cap room in 2008-2009


Boils it down to:
Atlanta - if they want to scrap almost their entire team
Charlotte - if they can somehow get the owner to open his wallet
Minnesota - 10 expiring contracts gets them $16,590,000 under the cap....
Orlando - they could be a player!

Posted by: Rook | October 26, 2007 1:40 AM | Report abuse

I seriously doubt if Les BouleS would trade Gilby to Atlanta, Charlotte, or Orlando b/c they are in the same division.

Posted by: DC Man88 | October 26, 2007 1:55 AM | Report abuse

Last I checked, ET was probably the 6th or 7th player off the bench if he was not starting. Therefore, you are shorthanded because the level of "talent" you had from ET isn't being replaced."

(A) Haywood, Blatche, Pecherov, and Songaila, they should be able to replace Thomas 6 pts, 6 rebs, and 1 block in 20 mpg. (B) Even if what you say had any real validity (and it doesn't) going over the luxury tax threshold to sign some straggler off the street won't make them any less "shorthanded" according to your definition. Whichever D-league reject or NBA retread they sign isn't going to step into Etan's role as part-time starter or first big off the bench. He'll be the 13th man, cooling his heels on the inactive list, only taken out of mothballs if someone gets hurt or for the couple of games a year when they play the Heat and Shaq isn't injured.

If there was a big who could (A) fill Etan's vacated role right away and (B) would be willing to sign with the Wiz, sure, go after him. But there is no such animal roaming the wild.

Posted by: kalorama | October 26, 2007 2:04 AM | Report abuse

"Stevenson is averaging 3.5 points on 24 percent shooting in six preseason games."

"It's early and we're not making a whole lot of judgments right now, but DeShawn has not played at a high level and we want to compete at that spot," Jordan said. "We want to see what's going to happen there. I'm not pushing any quick solution buttons but it's the NBA way. DeShawn is working hard and doing things defensively and that's his holding card but we'd like to get a little bit more from that spot." "

You don't have to be Sherlock Holmes to crack this mystery. Stevenson is struggling in the preseason for the same reason he stunk in the playoffs: Because without the big three at peak efficiency to draw defensive attention, he doesn't get the easy looks he needs to be effective.

Arenas, Jamison, and Butler have either sat out, barely played, or not shot the ball well in many of the preseason games. When that happens, defenses don't focus on them (and it's not like a lot of D is played in preseason anyway). And without that, Stevenson's pretty much a useless void on offense (a point I believe I made when the team was in the process of outbidding themselves to sign him to that ridiculous contract).

If Jordan thinks Stevenson looks bad now, he'll have to avert his eyes from the court if he starts the regular season with Stevenson coming off the bench with the subs.

Posted by: kalorama | October 26, 2007 2:20 AM | Report abuse

The real twist in the dagger to everyone's gut is that Gilby said that his injury was an awakening, and that extra 15 mil dollars, on top of the 100 mil from his first contract, was necessary to give his family financial security.

Posted by: DC Man88 | October 26, 2007 01:04 AM

You know, I read Gilbert's blog when he wrote about opting out.... and I remember it a little different.

See - here's the thing. With Gilbert's contract off the books, and Antawn's contract expiring... the Wizards will be about $15 Million UNDER the cap. If they want to, they could sign players, up to $15 Million dollars worth of players, and STILL sign Arenas and Jamison.

It would put them over the Luxury Tax threshhold if they spend all $15 Million, but they could spend between $5-8 Million (Depending on Jamison's demands), sign Arenas to a max contract, and sign Jamison to a reasonable contract, and STILL be under the Tax. There are a number of very good players available in the 2008-2009 Free Agent pool - Emeka Okafor, Josh Smith, Luol Deng, Ben Gordon, Randy Foye, Al Jefferson, Chris Paul, David Lee, Andrea Bargnani, and a host of others.
(not to mention Calvin Booth, Jarvis Hayes, Michael Ruffin, and Kwame Brown - grin!!)

Gilbert said the EXACT SAME THING in his blog!!

Arenas says in his blog:
"But, if I opt out after next year, I'll have six years guaranteed because I'll sign a whole new six year contract."

- HE CANNOT GET A 6-YEAR CONTRACT WITH ANY OTHER TEAM EXCEPT THE WIZARDS!!! That's certainly a clue that he expects to be re-signed by the Wizards..

He also said:
"I want to make sure that they get all the people they can get before I sign my deal because if I sign first and then eat up all the money, then we can't get anybody."

- What Arenas was saying is that as long as the Wizards sign players BEFORE they re-sign their own Free Agents (Arenas and Jamison), they have money to spend (about $15 Million) on other Free Agents from around the League.

Then he said:
"If I let them pick out who they're going to pick, like get the draftees and sign the free agents, the money will still be there."

He means the money will still be there to sign him (and Anwawn Jamison), since the Wizards can go over the Salary Cap to sign their own Free Agents.

So - you see, I don't see where Arenas has said anything about wanting to leave the Wizards. AND apparently he understands the Collective Bargaining Agreement enough to know that the Wizards are in a very good position to add the pieces they need for a run at the Championship....... So, I don't see how he's crippled the team with his opting out; quite the opposite!

I also took the "financial security" thing a bit differently than you did as well... He hurt his knee, and thought about how if it had been a career ending injury, he would have only next year's salary left on his contract (his option year)... If he gets hurt with a career ending injury THIS year, he's screwed.... but by opting out, he doesn't have to play for TWO years before he gets the security of a 6-year contract. ANYONE with half a brain can figure out that it's less risky to play ONE year hoping to stay healthy and get a new contract- than to play TWO years hoping to stay healthy enough to get that new 6-year contract.

Posted by: Rook | October 26, 2007 2:22 AM | Report abuse

I seriously doubt if Les BouleS would trade Gilby to Atlanta, Charlotte, or Orlando b/c they are in the same division.

Posted by: DC Man88 | October 26, 2007 01:55 AM


Trade? Do you even read these posts..?

Rook was talking about the teams that would have enough room under the Salary Cap next year to make a contract offer to Arenas when he becomes a Free Agent.

No trades involved in that...

Posted by: Anonymous | October 26, 2007 2:26 AM | Report abuse

WTOP held interview with EJ this evening - he said "publically - on radio"
He's been trying to give DS an opportunity to show he can be a starter however he's only shooting 22% where as NYoung is shooting 44%. Its a nobrainer but they're trying to give him and opportunity. If his shooting ability does not improve shortly - he will be moved to the bench. OUCH!!

How many of us didn't want to sign DS??
Most of us as I recall..

And pleez..can we stop cryin over spilled milk? We cannot "unscramble eggs!!!"
MIKE HALL IS GONE..."NEWS FLASH" he was not that good!! And since he's "gone" the opinions are meaningless. Talk more progressively...

could care less about Abe & his money.
its his - he can spend it however he likes..They need to do what they gotta do on the court to WIN!!..money or no. these dudes can either play or they can't..
pure & simple..

Did anybody see Darryl Strawberry knockin down 3's tonite & game winnin shot?
total playin time? 20 mins.
14 pts 2 rebds 3 assts. not bad for a rookie

George Templeton - agree with you brother all way round.

Posted by: Bill | October 26, 2007 2:43 AM | Report abuse

"If his shooting ability does not improve shortly - he will be moved to the bench. OUCH!!"

The problem is the the only thing that's going to improve his shooting is playing extended minutes with an effective big three. It's not a secret or a coincidence that for most of his career before coming to D.C. last season, Stevens was a poor shooter overall and an absolutely dreadful shooter from long range. His entire game on offense was slashing and getting to the basket. He didn't start shooting from outside with any sustained success until he got here and started feasting on all the wide open looks that came with Arenas, Jamison, and Butler sucking the defense away from him like black holes. If he has to try and get a shot of from distance while dealing with a defender in his face, he's useless.

The only thing to do is keep him in the starting lineup and see if his mojo returns when the regular season starts and (hopefully) the big 3 start rolling. Because moving him to bench will only make his shooting woes even worse. it's not like defenses are going to be collapsing on McGuire, Blatche, or Pecherov. And if his touch doesn't return when he's out there full-time with the starters, then they Wiz are basically screwed, because their other SG options are exactly sterling silver, and there's almost no chance they can trade Stevenson after giving him that awful contract.

Posted by: kalorama | October 26, 2007 2:58 AM | Report abuse

BTW, does anyone know whether the game tonight is on CSN+ like the last game ?

Posted by: mark | October 26, 2007 7:47 AM | Report abuse

Deshawn will get his mojo back if he grows his hair long again. ;-}

Posted by: rgz | October 26, 2007 7:48 AM | Report abuse

DS is just cruising through the preseason, and EJ is just trying to light a fire. DS will bring it come 10/31.

Posted by: reispace | October 26, 2007 8:14 AM | Report abuse

Good anylasis Rook, Well thought out and it took alot of time. I'd agree with you, could have been Ernie that put the opt out bug in Gil's ear.

The Wizards will have a core of promising young players with an Allstar in Caron Butler to lead them and 29m to play with next summer.They could bring Jamison and Arenas back or they could be big players when almost no one else has money to spend.

Say Atlanta or Minnesota does decide to roll all the marbles and sign away Arenas, then they'd have to renounce the rights to some very talented young players to do it and guess who's got money to spend.

Ernie's been sitting at the table grinding away and almost no one has noticed. He's now playing the game three hands ahead of everyone else. He may well bring both Arenas and Jamison back next year and he might even be able to sqeeze in a MLE free agent as well.

About the time he'll need money for his crop of rookies to be signed longterm Daniels, Haywood and Etan's deals will expire. While some people who claim to know alot are whining about the 13th man on the roster Ernie's plotting contracts and FA money out three years.

And just how valuable was Etan to those plans? This summer Ernie was trying to peddle Etan along with Navarro and get an expiring contract in return. He ended up getting a conditional first rounder for Navarro.

So he was willing to let Memphis keep their draft pick if they gave him a player that he'd have left walk away for Etan.
That should explain to anyone how important Ernie felt Etan was to his long term plans.

Etan does some things well, what he doesn't do is fit into this offense. Jordan has had to vary the play calls when Etan is on the floor so we're not running a 4 on 5.

Ernie can be patient and let Etan's medical condition play out. A player has to have sat out a full year before a team can apply for any releif under the luxury tax anyway.

For those that wanted to bring Navarro here to start at point and move Arenas to shooting gaurd. Have you really seen the guy play? He averaged Two, count em, 2 assists! In Europe where everybody's a catch and shoot guy.

Navarro is a good player, I think he'll do ok in this league because he's with a team where him and Gasol have a history together. That's why last spring I liked the idea of making a run at Gasol. We'd have gotten Navarro here in a minute to play with him.

But he's just plain not a point gaurd, and I just can't see how a team would play decent defense with a pairing of Navarro and Arenas. Compared to Arenas Navarro is not nearly as strong or as quick.

I'm still waiting for Navarro to get matched up against many of the league's bigger stronger 2's. That's where the Dixion comparison made months ago applies.

Navarro will be a nice change of pace guy and can score in bunches. And is smart enough and savvy enough to get some steals and have some big games.

But in the end he's not a point and big rugged 2's will have him for lunch. In short he's a Spanish Juan Dixion. I still like Juan, but time has proven he can't start in this league.

I think Navarro will be much the same player. And Ernie's already got a guy with a higher ceiling in Young.

Posted by: GM | October 26, 2007 8:25 AM | Report abuse

"So, why did Gilbert Arenas "opt-out" of his existing contract?
Think what will happen if he has a serious injury before the end of his contract - NO team would want to sign him for $100 Million Dollars if he is seriously injured. Makes sense to opt-out of the final year and lessen the risk of losing the big payday. PLUS, he knows the ONLY TEAM THAT CAN SIGN HIM FOR $125 Million Dollars are the Wizards.

So - for those of you who think that Gilbert Arenas is leaving next year because he is selfish, only looking out for himself, wanting to get the MAXIMUM money he can get regardless of loyalties, etc... (you listening DC Man88?) - This should put to rest any questions as to why he opted out.... He gets PAID!

For those of you who were perplexed why he opted-out of his contract EARLY, perhaps you can see it was in his best interest to mimimize the risk of playing only one-year before getting the max contract versus playing two years.

Posted by: Rook | October 25, 2007 11:20 PM "


Rook is wrong.

Rook does not take into account the money Gilby has made already, so anything that Gilby says with regard to "having to take care of his family" due to dire straits if he gets injured is baloney.

Even given all that, GILBY COULD HAVE SIGNED AN EXTENSION with Les BouleS RIGHT NOW to his current contract to guarantee his money right now, but he wants more money, so he in fact has put himself into more risk by opting out and not signing an extension right away. He said himself he wants to test the waters.

Gilby is getting paid regardless, whether it's 100 mil MORE or 125 mil MORE. He's opting out so that he can get that extra 25 mil that will make the difference between "his family being financially secure or not." I'm surprised he can say that with a straight face. Maybe if he donated that extra 25 million to charity, it'd take away the controversy.

But the point is that he wants even MORE pay, which goes outside of his vow NOT to be like AI or KG. I don't blame him for wanting to get paid, but don't try to sell a sob story about how you want your knee boo boo was an awakening and you want your family to be financially secure even though you're a multimillionaire many times over already, and don't try to pretend you are a team player but calling out your NBA fraternity.

Posted by: DC Man88 | October 26, 2007 8:52 AM | Report abuse

"DS is just cruising through the preseason, and EJ is just trying to light a fire. DS will bring it come 10/31.

Posted by: reispace | October 26, 2007 08:14 AM "

Really? So was he also cruising during last season's playoff sweep?

Posted by: DC Man88 | October 26, 2007 8:56 AM | Report abuse

"could care less about Abe & his money.
its his - he can spend it however he likes..They need to do what they gotta do on the court to WIN!!..money or no. these dudes can either play or they can't..
pure & simple..

Did anybody see Darryl Strawberry knockin down 3's tonite & game winnin shot?
total playin time? 20 mins.
14 pts 2 rebds 3 assts. not bad for a rookie

George Templeton - agree with you brother all way round.

Posted by: Bill | October 26, 2007 02:43 AM "

I guess Bill fails to realize that the NBA is a business, and for those who buy tickets to the game, watch the game on TV, or buy the sportswear, Abe owes it to the fans to put the best product he can put on the court because he didn't hesitate at all to get monies for refurbing his lux suites or getting that new HD jumbotron.

If he's not willing to invest in areas of need, and is putting a product not up to par on the court, then he's selling the fans short.

Posted by: DC Man88 | October 26, 2007 9:01 AM | Report abuse

"So - you see, I don't see where Arenas has said anything about wanting to leave the Wizards. AND apparently he understands the Collective Bargaining Agreement enough to know that the Wizards are in a very good position to add the pieces they need for a run at the Championship....... So, I don't see how he's crippled the team with his opting out; quite the opposite!

I also took the "financial security" thing a bit differently than you did as well... He hurt his knee, and thought about how if it had been a career ending injury, he would have only next year's salary left on his contract (his option year)... If he gets hurt with a career ending injury THIS year, he's screwed.... but by opting out, he doesn't have to play for TWO years before he gets the security of a 6-year contract. ANYONE with half a brain can figure out that it's less risky to play ONE year hoping to stay healthy and get a new contract- than to play TWO years hoping to stay healthy enough to get that new 6-year contract.

Posted by: Rook | October 26, 2007 02:22 AM "

I think it's clear that no one here can really believe what Gilby says anymore. He says one thing one day, and something else another day. Because he's "quirky," people just let it go. That's just Gilby being Gilby.

Sure, he opted out, but he also said he wants to test the waters. By opting out, he could sign an extension right now to guarantee him his 100 mil, but is taking a risk with his 1 year contract for that extra 25 mil.

I think Gilby likes the idea of being a free agent. That gives him the "love" and attention that he craves so much. He'll probably want to be wined and dined while he takes a grand tour of all the NBA teams that want him.

Maybe if all the Gilby lovers waiting outside the VC parking garage right now with signs begging him to stay, he'll sign that 5 year, 100 mil extension right now and not become a free agent.

Posted by: DC Man88 | October 26, 2007 9:10 AM | Report abuse

...Once upon a time there was a plumber who made 50,000 a year. Well, he broke his arm one day on the job and realized that he couldn't work (even though his salary was guaranteed for this year). While he was sitting out and his arm was mending, he realized that he needed more financial security. If he ever injured himself in the future and could no longer work, he'd be in trouble. Fortunately, he had an option to terminate his contract and renew it for 100-125 a year for 5 to 6 years. Only problem was, doing that would make him one of the highest paid plumbers at company and might hinder the companies ability to hire more talented plumbers? Should he stay at 50k for the sake of the company?

Posted by: mark | October 26, 2007 9:13 AM | Report abuse

"Arenas says in his blog:
"But, if I opt out after next year, I'll have six years guaranteed because I'll sign a whole new six year contract."

- HE CANNOT GET A 6-YEAR CONTRACT WITH ANY OTHER TEAM EXCEPT THE WIZARDS!!! That's certainly a clue that he expects to be re-signed by the Wizards..

He also said:
"I want to make sure that they get all the people they can get before I sign my deal because if I sign first and then eat up all the money, then we can't get anybody."

- What Arenas was saying is that as long as the Wizards sign players BEFORE they re-sign their own Free Agents (Arenas and Jamison), they have money to spend (about $15 Million) on other Free Agents from around the League.

Then he said:
"If I let them pick out who they're going to pick, like get the draftees and sign the free agents, the money will still be there."

He means the money will still be there to sign him (and Anwawn Jamison), since the Wizards can go over the Salary Cap to sign their own Free Agents."


Rook, you can't be that gullible. It's been made loud and clear by Les BouleS and reported by Ivan that under no uncertain circumstances will Les BouleS go over the salary cap. Abe will not spend that money and pay a penalty for it. Understand that!

So, for Gilby to say Les BouleS can acquire all these free agents, similar to the Knicks, and then sign him by going over the salary cap, that's a pipe dream at best.


Posted by: DC Man88 | October 26, 2007 9:14 AM | Report abuse

Even given all that, GILBY COULD HAVE SIGNED AN EXTENSION with Les BouleS RIGHT NOW to his current contract to guarantee his money right now, but he wants more money, so he in fact has put himself into more risk by opting out and not signing an extension right away. He said himself he wants to test the waters.

Posted by: DC Man88 | October 26, 2007 08:52 AM

Maximum contract extension allowed is 4-years.

Oh and by the way, I searched for Gilbert Arenas, and the phrase "take care of my family" on the Internet and could not find the instance where Gilbert was quoted as saying that. Can you point me to the link where he said he is opting out because he needs to take care of his family?


Posted by: Rook | October 26, 2007 9:18 AM | Report abuse

"...Once upon a time there was a plumber who made 50,000 a year. Well, he broke his arm one day on the job and realized that he couldn't work (even though his salary was guaranteed for this year). While he was sitting out and his arm was mending, he realized that he needed more financial security. If he ever injured himself in the future and could no longer work, he'd be in trouble. Fortunately, he had an option to terminate his contract and renew it for 100-125 a year for 5 to 6 years. Only problem was, doing that would make him one of the highest paid plumbers at company and might hinder the companies ability to hire more talented plumbers? Should he stay at 50k for the sake of the company?

Posted by: mark | October 26, 2007 09:13 AM "

Unfortunately Mark, your analogy is flawed because unlike the plumber, Gilby has already cashed in and made his 60-80 mil already with Les BouleS, not 50K like the plumber. I would say having 60-80 mil in the bank (before taxes), a shoe endorsement deal with Adidas, a deal with EA Sports, etc. separates him from that plumber by a "wee bit."

Add also the fact that Gilby can sign an extension right now for that 100 mil, but he wants 125 mil.

Posted by: DC Man88 | October 26, 2007 9:19 AM | Report abuse

"Oh and by the way, I searched for Gilbert Arenas, and the phrase "take care of my family" on the Internet and could not find the instance where Gilbert was quoted as saying that. Can you point me to the link where he said he is opting out because he needs to take care of his family?


Posted by: Rook | October 26, 2007 09:18 AM "

Can you tell me how his family can't be "financially secure" with 100 mil on top of the 60-80 mil that you've already made?

If he wants to reduce risk, he can sign that extension right now. He's assuming more risk by playing his 1 year opt out year before he tests the market.

More risk means more pay, but if he's worried about risk and financial security, he shouldn't gamble. He could blow out his other knee, or could see his stats reduced due to the emergence of other players.

Posted by: DC Man88 | October 26, 2007 9:23 AM | Report abuse

Another comment about my quick and dirty Salary Cap analysis of the 32 NBA teams for the 2008-2009 season:

I used the current Salary Cap level... not knowing what the Salary cap will be set at for the 2008-2009 season, so there could be a few more teams that sneak in under the cap if it is raised significantly. (Memphis is close, as is Toronto)...

If anyone has a site that shows all 32 teams Salary Cap positions for 2008, 2009, etc... can you post the link?

Posted by: Rook | October 26, 2007 9:26 AM | Report abuse

Happy ending: The plumber decided (and rightly so) to renew his contract and take the money. Any person who blames the guy for securing his future is a fool. Everyone on this blog would take the money. How many ex-players are being cared for by the Wiz? Is Bernard King getting a check from us when his rent is due? Elvin? It's a selfish business. Good move, Gilbert.

Posted by: mark | October 26, 2007 9:31 AM | Report abuse

No. My logic is not flawed. Someone here is missing the point. When you're 7 and get a $5 allowance, that's a lot of money because you have no bills. When you're expenditures are 20k a month because you hve a mansion, fleet of cars,etc., you need more money. Don't get caught up in the dollar amount. Look at the percentages. That's why I used a plumber at 50k. Quit hating because he makes a ton of money. He earned it...just like he earned the raise.

Posted by: mark | October 26, 2007 9:42 AM | Report abuse

Rook, you can't be that gullible. It's been made loud and clear by Les BouleS and reported by Ivan that under no uncertain circumstances will Les BouleS go over the salary cap. Abe will not spend that money and pay a penalty for it. Understand that!

Posted by: DC Man88 | October 26, 2007 09:19 AM


What I said is IF they spent all $15 Million, they WOULD go over the luxury tax. I never said they INTENDED go over the Luxury Tax.... I said they COULD sign up to $15 Million worth of players under the CBA rules. UNDERSTAND THAT!!!

As a matter of fact, they could still sign Free Agents and stay UNDER the Luxury Tax.

How, you say?

The Wizards will be approx $16-$17 Million under the Salary Cap ($29 Million under the Luxury Tax ceiling). Part of that $16-$17Million would have to be used for Arenas to stay under the Tax ceiling, but they will still have about $13 Million.

If they don't intend on re-signing Jamison, they would have that $13 Million to sign Free Agents and draft choices.

If they think they can re-sign Jamison for a lower contract, (say $8 Mil or so), every dollar they save under the $13 Million could be spent on Free Agents and draft picks.

Again, these numbers are assuming the Salary Cap and Luxury Tax stay the same for 2008-2009. Obviously, if the Cap and Tax ceiling are increased, it gives the Wizards even more money to work with...

Any way you look at the numbers, the Wizards SHOULD have money to spend be in the Free Agent market next year..

Posted by: Rook | October 26, 2007 9:57 AM | Report abuse

Eddie Jordan's grade school-ish attmepts at motivation aside... Stevenson will be fine and get back to his career averages. He'll go right back to being a middle class role player.

NY starting? Only in Eddie's world would that make any sense. Sure, throw him out there and watch what Pierce and Ray Allen do to him. The kid is so oblivious, unless he has the ball in his hands.

Posted by: Monte | October 26, 2007 10:02 AM | Report abuse

I read yesterday that after the trade, Miami might be $21 million under the cap this summer (Ricky Davis's contract expires). I think that figure is wrong, but they might be a team that will have room to sign a max player. Gulp.

Wow, what a shock. A player (Stevenson) works his butt off in a contract year, and then once he signs the big contract, he coasts. Interesting how the big contract seemed to cause Blatche to work harder, and Stevenson to kick back and act like a moron. (By the way, did anyone see that fake news story on one website (sorry, I forget which one) with a headline reading something like, "Grunfeld inserts Moron Clause into Stevenson's contract"?)

Posted by: Sean | October 26, 2007 10:14 AM | Report abuse

Add also the fact that Gilby can sign an extension right now for that 100 mil, but he wants 125 mil.

Posted by: DC Man88 | October 26, 2007 09:19 AM


DC Man88 - you should read and UNDERSTAND the Collective Bargaining Agreement before you make statements like that....

Arenas can only sign a 4-year extension. He is allowed a 10.5% of the salary in the last season of the contract being extended (approx $12Mil). Therefore, if he were to sign an extension, the maximum he could get would be $60-$65 Million.

On the other hand, by opting out, can be offered the 6-Year contract with the 7-Year Pro Maximum salary of $16M with 10.5% increases each year on the FIRST year of the contract. - roughly $125 Million...

Posted by: Rook | October 26, 2007 10:26 AM | Report abuse

By the way, I don't pretend to be an expert on the Collective Bargaining Agreement - but I HAVE read it.

Posted by: Rook | October 26, 2007 10:27 AM | Report abuse

Last I checked, ET was probably the 6th or 7th player off the bench if he was not starting. Therefore, you are shorthanded because the level of "talent" you had from ET isn't being replaced.

Posted by: DC Man88
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No you are not. ET is a very similar player to Haywood. Both good shot blockers, so-so rebounders and cannot shoot jump shots (or free throws). Most of their scores come near the basket, but neither of them have particular good hands or reliable post moves. Not only their style is similar, their ability is similar too. In fact, year after year, EJ could not decide who should he start (how many times did we hear that they are competing for the starting job?). So the end result is, neither Haywood nor Etan played starter minutes. Last season Haywood averaged 22 minutes, while Etan 19.

In other words, the reason why ET was the 6th or 7th player off bench is because EJ could not really make up his mind in giving Haywood starter minutes (the other non-Big3 starter, DS, got 29.5 minutes). Haywood averaged only 2.7 fouls a game, less than any of the Big3 as well as Songaila. So his lack of minutes is not due to foul trouble either. This season, if EJ gives Haywood starter minutes, then what's left is hardly a 6th or 7th player minutes! Remember you need to reserve some minutes for EJ's quicker lineup (aka "small ball," but now with AB and Perv, it won't be so small) which ET is not suited at all.

In fact, I like this year's team better, because now you have AB, who is a totally different kind of player backing up Haywood. AB's minutes will come from some of the remaining ET minutes plus "small ball" minutes. The style of team play is going to change and there will not be a direct replacement of ET, which is a good thing. Yes, ET isn't being replaced; but instead, he is replaced by quicker players like AB (who will play more minutes than last year) and Perv, (a healthy Songaila will also play more minutes). In fact, this year's bench is what makes it exciting; I would not like to see this year's bench looks exactly like last year's!

Posted by: Sagaliba | October 26, 2007 10:29 AM | Report abuse

Thanks rook for the look at the cap. Because of the money situation (being $29 million under before they resign Arenas and/or Jamison) it would seem to me that a trade of Jamison during the season is still possible.
But the way it would have to work is that we got in return a smaller expiring contract with someone making somewhere between $7-10 million for a number of years.
So my question is . . . which team and trade might fit that bill?

Posted by: George Templeton | October 26, 2007 10:45 AM | Report abuse

I read yesterday that after the trade, Miami might be $21 million under the cap this summer (Ricky Davis's contract expires). I think that figure is wrong, but they might be a team that will have room to sign a max player. Gulp.

Posted by: Sean | October 26, 2007 10:14 AM

If that's true Sean, then we can add Miami to the list of teams that would have Cap space to offer Arenas a contract...

Funny though, Miami is one of the teams Arenas specifically said he probably would NOT want to go to...

His quote(s):
"When I told Complex.com that the L.A., San Antonio, Dallas and Houston would be cities that I would like to play in if I opt out, they all come after D.C. "

By the way - none of those teams will have ANYTHING to offer Arenas other than the Mid-Level Exception dollars...

AND he also said:
"It wasn't like I said I want to play for the Hawks. You know, nothing against the Hawks but I'm talking about going to a championship team. I would have thrown Miami in there, but at the end of the day, if Shaq leaves that team breaks up."

Of course, you never know with Gilbert... so we have to leave Miami on the list of potential suitors.

Posted by: Rook | October 26, 2007 10:52 AM | Report abuse

it would seem to me that a trade of Jamison during the season is still possible.

Posted by: George Templeton | October 26, 2007 10:45 AM

Trades need to be within something like 10% or 15% of each other in current year Salary to be approved by the league.... so if you trade Jamison and his $16M expiring contrat, you would have to get back a similar Salary.

Also, if they trade Jamison's $16M to a team and get back a multi-year deal (not an expiring contract), the Wizards would NOT be able to sign Arenas to a max contract....

Unless they trade for a similar expiring contract, they will have less money to work with. I don't think there are any $15-$16M players out there with expiring contracts.

An easier way to look at it is that the Wizards need Jamison's expiring contract ($16M) to sign Arenas... then they can use Arenas' old contract dollars ($13M) to sign Jamison and/or other Free Agents....

Posted by: Rook | October 26, 2007 11:02 AM | Report abuse

Rook, why are u arguing with that fool? Your points are salient and make sense, his are self-righteous and, well, you know, he loves/hates Gilbert. Anyway, it may be greedy and/or smart, but most of us would do the samething, having to explain why he would take 125 vs 100 is stupid. Thus, do not explain it!

Posted by: Skeef | October 26, 2007 11:02 AM | Report abuse

Hey George, I re-read your post....

Were you thinking that the Wizards could trade Jamison for TWO players?

One with a smaller expiring contract (say $6M) and another with a longer term contract (for the other $10M)? (or some other split between the two)..

Because, that actually might work....!!!

Posted by: Rook | October 26, 2007 11:05 AM | Report abuse

How can anyone think Gil is selfish when what he's doing by opting out actually helps this team. Because Gil is doing this really gives us room to bring in another good player, and helps gil. And DCman88 if he signs an extenstion now we can't do anything when next year comes around. If you'd pull your head out of your a&& long enough to breath you'd see he is doing exactly what he said about not maxing out the team and signing first.Now we can actually make a run at okafur or possibly another big man.

Posted by: jcar | October 26, 2007 11:18 AM | Report abuse

You're right, skeef. no need to justify taking more money. EVER! Besides BWAHAHA seems to have a reverse man-crush on Gil. Nothiing he says on this blog is objective.

Posted by: mark | October 26, 2007 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Did I read that we can resign Gil, AJ, keep most of the core team AND get Okafor for 2008/9?

That's one heck of a team!

Posted by: Cballer | October 26, 2007 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Rook, why are u arguing with that fool?

Posted by: Skeef | October 26, 2007 11:02 AM


Yeah - I hear ya!!

Posted by: Rook | October 26, 2007 12:05 PM | Report abuse

AJ for AK-47 or AJ for Josh Smith would have been the move. We'd have added a shotblocker and shifted the fulcrum on this team from offense to defense with one move. Okafor has a bad back at 23. He's gonna be retired by 26 at this rate. Hurt a lot. He's a poor man's Marcus Camby. Good when available.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 26, 2007 12:09 PM | Report abuse

Did I read that we can resign Gil, AJ, keep most of the core team AND get Okafor for 2008/9?

That's one heck of a team!

Posted by: Cballer | October 26, 2007 12:04 PM


Okafor will probably want too much money for that.... He makes about $5.5 Million now. He will be a 4-Year pro, so his Max salary would be around $13 Million.....(Not sure I think he's a "Max Salary" player - but he's definately worth more than a Mid-Level exception). The only way to fit both Okafor and Jamison on the team is if both Salaries are less than or equal to $13 Million... Doubtful that could happen.

BUT if the Wizards DON'T resign AJ, it might be VERY possible to sign Okafor.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 26, 2007 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Cballer - on the other hand, under the CBA rules they could sign Okafor to a Max contract (starting at $13M). That would but them right around the Salary Cap.

The Wiz could then resign their own Free Agents (Arenas and Jamison) even if they are over the Salary Cap; but that would put them into the Luxury Tax.

So, It's not going to happen.

Posted by: Rook | October 26, 2007 12:24 PM | Report abuse

Anon -
AJ for Josh Smith does not work - Salaries do not match.

Josh Smith will be a Free Agent at the end of this year (also a 4-year pro).... so he is also a candidate for the Wizards to consider picking up as a Free Agent acquisition - WITHOUT trading Jamison.

They would probably have to pay him somewhere in the neighborhood of $10-$13M per year.. Just my guess...

Same problems with the Luxury Tax as Okafor, though - unless you could get both Smith and Jamison for a total of $13 Million.... (doubtful).

Posted by: Rook | October 26, 2007 12:31 PM | Report abuse

AJ for AK-47 or AJ for Josh Smith would have been the move. We'd have added a shotblocker and shifted the fulcrum on this team from offense to defense with one move. Okafor has a bad back at 23. He's gonna be retired by 26 at this rate. Hurt a lot. He's a poor man's Marcus Camby. Good when available.

Posted by: | October 26, 2007 12:09 PM

if we would have traded for crylenko then we wouldn't have money next year for Gil crylenko makes almost 14m now, the money would not be there. And no way do I give up Gil for a whiney crybaby in any form.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 26, 2007 12:34 PM | Report abuse

sorry forgot to put a name

Posted by: jwc | October 26, 2007 12:35 PM | Report abuse

As cheap as Charlotte is, and considering their need to put fannies in the seats, they might consider a sign and trade deal of Jamison for Okafor.

But you know I read all of this stuff about Arenas's opting out and it does make me think. Ernie's sitting there with 29m in cap space to use, Gil wants to get to a title before King James and Company.

The sly old fox Ernie is, what if he waves a contract for say starting at 14m at Gil, and another 7m at Jamison he'd have about 8m to offer another free agent. Which is 2.8m greater then the MLE which is all alot of teams have to work with.

There's some good young talent out there that may find all their present team has to offer is about MLE money.

Gilbert has said he's opting out and would like to get max money. As some one has pointed out here this is a business. In business we don't always get what we want, somtimes you end up negotiating what ends up being the best deal both parties can get.

I wouldn't spend a whole lot of time fretting over next summer, it looks like to me Ernie is covering all the bases. We could end up with a team with a different look next year. But if Gilbert leaves we have alot of flexibility to retool quickly.

Posted by: GM | October 26, 2007 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Actually if you want to talk about a player that the Wizards could EASILY add that could make an impact - and cheap too.... I like David Lee (Knicks). He will be a Free Agent next year.

Great rebounder. Good shooting percentage (60%). Not athletic, but a good defender. A much improved free throw shooter (80%). High Energy. Garbage scorer, does not need the ball (offensive put backs, etc..).

The Wiz could probably pick him up for $3 - $4 Million...Still sign Jamison and stay under the Lux Tax.

Posted by: Rook | October 26, 2007 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Yes rook, I would be looking at deals for two players. Thinking that a team that might have an expiring contract for say $4-7 million might be willing to part with a pretty good player for the extra cap space Jamison's contract would provide this summer.

Posted by: George Templeton | October 26, 2007 12:49 PM | Report abuse

GM - another point to consider...
Not many teams will have Cap room to make a max deal offer to Arenas...

Some of those are not real threats (Charlotte is too cheap, Atlanta would have to gut their team, etc...)

Arenas may not get a max contract offer..
The Wizards can sit back and wait, see if he gets an offer - if not, well then who's to say Ernie will offer a max deal?

I'm not absolutely sure, but of the TOP teams in the league, I think that only Miami will have cap space. (I really haven't researched Miami's Cap situation since they made the trade). And Arenas has already said he does not want to go to a team without a real chance at a Championship. (like Atlanta, Charlotte, Minnesota, etc...)

Posted by: Rook | October 26, 2007 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Rook,

Thanks for your explanations and breakdowns. Much appreciated.

I don't see the Wiz parting with Jamison after this season. He's very important to the team in terms of leadership. Besides that, Abe absolutely loves him, and he's nothing if not loyal to 'his' guys.

Antawn should get a contract of around 7-8 million per year, based on his age and productivity, which should start to decline some. He's still valuable, but at a reasonable figure. I seriously doubt he'll get more than that on the open market, and will likely settle for what the Wiz give him. Ernie won't bid against himself.

I would really like to see Jamison kept around. His value is much more than just scoring.

Posted by: Keithinator | October 26, 2007 1:06 PM | Report abuse

"The Wizards can sit back and wait, see if he gets an offer - if not, well then who's to say Ernie will offer a max deal?"

I don't think there's any doubt they'll make him a max offer.

Posted by: kalorama | October 26, 2007 1:06 PM | Report abuse

"I would really like to see Jamison kept around. His value is much more than just scoring."

Agreed. Jamison is one of those "glue guys" that sports analysts always talk about, someone whose presence on the court helps pull the team together in ways beyond what goes in the stat sheet.

Posted by: kalorama | October 26, 2007 1:08 PM | Report abuse

Have anyone seen Hollinger (of ESPN.com) prediction for the Wiz this season. 5th in the Division (meaning LAST!) and 13th in the conference!!! I mean a lot of teams improved but the wiz are not that bad!

Posted by: Dave | October 26, 2007 1:12 PM | Report abuse


I don't think there's any doubt they'll make him a max offer.

Kalorama's right. I think anything less than max would offend Gilbert, and he'd start looking around. That would also give him the cover he wants, if he really does want to leave, i.e. "Hey, they offended me with that initial contract offer, so I had to start looking around for a time that would see my value and make me a fair offer." Hughes said much the same thing after the Cavs signed him.

Posted by: Keithinator | October 26, 2007 1:15 PM | Report abuse

"As cheap as Charlotte is, and considering their need to put fannies in the seats, they might consider a sign and trade deal of Jamison for Okafor."

I seriously doubt trading for Jamison would do much for their box office. Yeah, he was a big star at Carolina, but that was a decade ago. He's not exactly a marquee NBA player, and he's heading towards the downside of his career. I don't see fans flocking to see him scoring 18 ppg on three pointers and off balance scoop shots on a team that'll be lucky to win 30 games.

Posted by: kalorama | October 26, 2007 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Notice Gil always mentions AJ when he talks about re-upping. Though it probably has nothing to do with his decision, it's clear he'd like for AJ to be here and he holds the cards...at least til he signs.

Posted by: mark | October 26, 2007 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Actually Rook, Gil made the statement during his recovery period. He was about to leave on some "family vacation" following the birth of his son - heading to the islands. I am not a big sports reader but I do remember clearly reading that statement and various others that he is interested in going to LA, San Anon, Dallas, etc. But for me...I tend to focus on the "right now" I want to know "Whats he doin now? Is he fit & healthy now?

So long as that guy stays "publicity hungry" I think you'll find he says a "LOT" of things...the truth may be buried deep down inside of them...

He's just wants to be seen @ all costs.

And folks...I'm not a basketball GURU nor hater. I enjoy our Wizards but "narcissism" isn't hard to see.

Lets hope they get out the first round.

Posted by: Dr.J | October 26, 2007 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Damn! Why do you guys keep this crap going with DCMan/Woman88 and his "Gilby" fix. You can not win with this person. He/She will not let you support Gil no matter what so why try. I come here because I like to read what some of you have to say. But, this Gilbert fixation is getting a bit tired! When DCman88 brings up Gilbert, just ignore it. The amount of time spent discussing this guy is ridiculous! Give it a rest already! As for the Toronto game, I wish it was being televised. I would like to see this game. Especially Young and McGuire. I hear Young has been putting up some pretty shots!

Posted by: Anonymous | October 26, 2007 3:46 PM | Report abuse

"Have anyone seen Hollinger (of ESPN.com) prediction for the Wiz this season."

Hollinger can lick my ball$ack.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/dailydime?page=dime-WashingtonPreview0708

Posted by: Ray | October 26, 2007 6:16 PM | Report abuse

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