Heading to Cleveland

Is it just me or do the Wizards play the Cavaliers 20 times a season? The team is flying to C town this afternoon and I'm heading out in the morning. The main thing to watch tomorrow will be Gilbert Arenas but when I talked to him yesterday, he said he wasn't sure that he was going to play.

Basically, the team is leaving it up to Gilbert to decide on his status from game to game and he said he may play every other game. That said, I think that once he gets to the arena and game time approaches, Gilbert will want to be on the court. I watched him closely at camp last week and didn't think he was favoring the knee or otherwise bothered by it.

Coach Eddie Jordan said he's going to carry the current roster of 17 players through tomorrow night's game at least. Aside from Gilbert, the thing I'm going to be very interested in seeing is the way Jordan rotates his big men. Brendan will start of course but once Cleveland brings Drew Gooden on the floor as backup center to Zydrunas Ilgauskas - I assume Mike Brown will do that since Anderson Varajeo is still not signed - I'm curious to see whether Jordan goes with Darius Songaila at center or Andray Blatche. He used both in that capacity during camp last week.

Shameless plug altert: I'll be on Comcast's Washington Post Live tonight at 5 p.m. talking Wizards so tune in and check it out. Drop an e-mail during the show and I'll try and answer it.

By Ivan Carter |  October 8, 2007; 2:50 PM ET
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you know, if Mr. Pollin and EG are willing to sign Anderson Varajeo and just go above that whole luxury tax thing. We will instantly become the No.1 in the East.

Posted by: fire starter | October 8, 2007 3:03 PM

I spoke with gil last night and asked him if he would be playing in Cleveland, he told me he was

Posted by: agentarenas | October 8, 2007 3:34 PM

@fire starter:

that comment will most likely get you flamed

Posted by: Tu | October 8, 2007 3:55 PM

Firestarter: That's pretty ridiculous. Varajeo is a scrub, and he in NO WAY will get this team to the next level. Not to mention, he's not worth what he's asking for, and he's certainly not worth going above the luxury tax.

Posted by: Colin | October 8, 2007 4:01 PM

Most won't agree, but I find it strange that there is so much uncertainty with Gilby's knee. He had it taken care of earlier this year and during that time, it was reported that the injury was not a big deal. Now just before the season starts, it's still a big question mark.

Hopefully for the diehard Gilby fans out there, Gilby is pulling a Joe Gibbs, meaning diversion tactic about injuries. I mean, one week we hear a report about how he's dunking and tearing up Barry Farms, and now we hear he's taking it day to day.

Posted by: DC Man88 | October 8, 2007 4:47 PM

PLEASE IGNORE DC MAN88. DO NOT RESPOND TO HIM OR ACKNOWLEDGE HIM. HE IS RUDE, VULGAR, AND MOST OF HIS POSTS ARE INAPPROPRIATE TO THIS BLOG.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 8, 2007 4:53 PM

Varejo is a good dirty-work player, just the kind of active, banging big man the Wiz could use. That said, the idea that adding him to the team would turn them into instant contenders is wishful thinking in the extreme.

Posted by: kalorama | October 8, 2007 5:04 PM


Oh man, the last thing the Wizards should do is try to sign Sideshow Bob. Besides the fact that it would put Abe in luxury tax territory, we're loaded with young bigs at the 4 and 5 (Blatche, Pecherov, songaila, DM).

Posted by: John Brisker | October 8, 2007 5:06 PM

Ivan,

Why is the media consistently rating the Wizards as a fringe playoff team? One "expert" had us at 33-49! I realize Boston, Orlando and the Knicks are improved (I would still say Boston is the only true contender in that group), but the Wizards have added depth to a team that led the East and still made the playoffs last year despite being crippled by injuries.

Posted by: Wiz52 | October 8, 2007 5:10 PM

I'll believe the Knicks are improved when I see it (and maybe not even then). And it's way too early to pencil in any East teams as surefire contenders.

Posted by: kalorama | October 8, 2007 5:22 PM

Hey ivan how come u never answer my questions? you always say tat my post help your writing but you never answer. i think its the leas you could do. and tell mike the same thing

Posted by: DC Man88 | October 8, 2007 5:46 PM

Hey ivan how come u never answer my questions? you always say tat my post help your writing but you never answer. i think its the leas you could do. and tell mike the same thing

Posted by: DC Man88 | October 8, 2007 05:46 PM

What the hell? I'll believe Ivan said that when pigs fly!

Posted by: Anonymous | October 8, 2007 6:55 PM

Says alot that Gilbert, coming back from knee surgery, would work every session in a camp dominated by defensive drills.

Lots of Vets take one or more preseason games off to make sure their legs are fresh by game one. If Gil takes a couple of games off in preseason his health is certainly not a big question mark.

If anything given his past, Eddie will have to try and hold him back a little so the guy doesn't overwork himself.

Apparently Varejo is asking for 5 yr. 65 million, there ain't no way we're giving him more money than Caron! And by league rules the Wizards or no one else has more than the MLE to offer even if their owner wanted to exceed the Luxury Tax Level.

He's sitting at home because he doesn't want to sign to go back to Cleveland and no ones apparently in position to even sign and trade for him. There's no way to give him the raise he wants and trade with Cleveland because they can't fit a player making equal to what he wants on the roster.

Cleveland has two of their rotation guys sitting at home right now that they can't afford to sign. Both have their agents shopping Europe for a deal right now.

Quite a pickle Ferry finds himself in, I wonder if he might reconsider if given the chance to do over signing Hughes.

Grunfeld is managing the twin problems of the cap and the Luxury Tax while building this team peice by peice. Sometimes what on the surface looks like a good move can really bite you down the line.

This team is getting younger and more talented, to manage the cap a team has to get some production out of some guys still on their rookie contracts as your team matures.

Posted by: GM | October 8, 2007 7:15 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | October 8, 2007 7:33 PM

"If anything given his past, Eddie will have to try and hold him back a little so the guy doesn't overwork himself."

Ehh, let him play. Look at what happend in the NFL at this beginning this season....everyone came out flat.

I think people are too cautious about injuries. Taking something Jordan said when asked, injuries are indeed "funny things." They just happen to some people and some they don't.

I'd rather see him get the work in, he didn't play anything organized this past offseason. You can't control that stuff.

And taking something from the previous blog: I actually like the Wizards chances against Detroit. They just don't seem to play/match up those other teams I mentioned very well(Miami, Orlando, Toronto, ect..).

Saying that, they *should* be better this year you would think.

- Ray

Posted by: Ray | October 8, 2007 7:37 PM

Ray-

Spoken like a true fan who will be at home while the formerly injured player is actually at the game. What he does is what he does...hopefully it will be the best for his knee, future, family and the Wiz.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 8, 2007 7:44 PM

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Hey ivan how come u never answer my questions? you always say tat my post help your writing but you never answer. i think its the leas you could do. and tell mike the same thing

Posted by: DC Man88 | October 8, 2007 05:46 PM

What the hell? I'll believe Ivan said that when pigs fly!

Posted by: | October 8, 2007 06:55 PM "

Whatever loser. The more you make fantasy posts using my name, or anonymously for that matter, the more you concede that you are a beaten loser.

Posted by: DC Man88 | October 8, 2007 10:05 PM

"Lots of Vets take one or more preseason games off to make sure their legs are fresh by game one. If Gil takes a couple of games off in preseason his health is certainly not a big question mark.

If anything given his past, Eddie will have to try and hold him back a little so the guy doesn't overwork himself."

Gilby potentially bowing out of legitimate preseason games, but playing in worthless and useless Barry Farms games prove that Gilby has poor decision making skills.

If you are Gilby, you are better off working out with a full 5 person Les BouleS team in a structured environment such as a preseason game where both coaches and trainers are available to evaluate you and to treat you in case you get injured. But Gilby, the word is you might not play in some, any, or many games.

Instead, you wasted time and energy playing in a poor man's And 1 tournament at Barry Farms where you could have easily blown out your knee, or gotten hurt, and would have to have possibly relied on a DC Ambulance/Fire Department, assuming they are not too busy turning the firehouse into a wh@rehouse, to give you treatment in case you get hurt.

What is the need to brag about scoring 50+ points against these nobodies and about dunking on a 9 ft. rim, for a supposed NBA superstar? All this, nevermind the fact that you might have gotten jacked for your car keys or other valuables.

Not smart Gibly, not smart.

Posted by: DC Man88 | October 8, 2007 10:16 PM

Jealousy will eat you alive man...ALIVE. Life is not about who has more money than you... There is a 12 step program for you some where/some how. Use it, quick.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 8, 2007 10:54 PM

Anonymous poster, you have hit the nail on the head. If Gil played great D, put up 40 points every game, rebounded, and donated all his salary to charity, the DCEnvyer would still be on here bashing him.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 8, 2007 11:04 PM

Nice job on WPL...

Posted by: chia pet | October 8, 2007 11:15 PM

"Anonymous poster, you have hit the nail on the head. If Gil played great D, put up 40 points every game, rebounded, and donated all his salary to charity, the DCEnvyer would still be on here bashing him.

Posted by: | October 8, 2007 11:04 PM"

It wouldn't matter. We'd all be dead if this happened b/c next would be Armageddon.

Posted by: DC Man88 | October 8, 2007 11:26 PM

"Jealousy will eat you alive man...ALIVE. Life is not about who has more money than you... There is a 12 step program for you some where/some how. Use it, quick.

Posted by: | October 8, 2007 10:54 PM "


Sorry loser, it's not about jealousy. It's about common sense.

Does it serve Gilby more benefit if he saves his energy for NBA preseason where he can gel with his teammates in a real environment playing against a real NBA team where trainers are available to monitor his physical condition and coaches can call plays for him to run,

or

does it serve him more by playing a glorified And1 tournament, on an outdoor court, with a 9 foot rim, against much lesser "competition."

Use your brain and think about it.

Posted by: DC Man88 | October 8, 2007 11:29 PM

dcman66,
The first step is recognition of your problem(s). Your colleagues and friends here on this blog will be happy to help you over this jealousy/infatuation you have with/about Gilbert. Now sit here and tell us exactly how it all started. While talking, keep telling yourself that you are as good as any other human on Earth, including one Gilbert Arenas. Let it out now, we are waiting to help you. I am sure some other posters will write in to show you that we got your back... We will beat this thing together.

Posted by: Skeef | October 8, 2007 11:41 PM

Alot of people here say Blatche can't play center, but the Cavs are a great example. And they are considered a big team and a good rebounding team, and good defensively. IMO Haywood matches up well with BigZ, Blatche matches up with Varejo, and Songaila matches up with Gooden. Throw Pesh in there, and hopefully Etan, and we got enough size and skill in our frontcourt to match up with just about any one.

Posted by: Darnell | October 9, 2007 12:10 AM

"dcman66,
The first step is recognition of your problem(s). Your colleagues and friends here on this blog will be happy to help you over this jealousy/infatuation you have with/about Gilbert. Now sit here and tell us exactly how it all started. While talking, keep telling yourself that you are as good as any other human on Earth, including one Gilbert Arenas. Let it out now, we are waiting to help you. I am sure some other posters will write in to show you that we got your back... We will beat this thing together.

Posted by: Skeef | October 8, 2007 11:41 PM "

I think it all started one night when your mom gave me bad head. I think she had a chipped tooth courtesy of your dad, skeef sr.

Posted by: DC Man88 | October 9, 2007 12:16 AM

"Alot of people here say Blatche can't play center, but the Cavs are a great example. And they are considered a big team and a good rebounding team, and good defensively. IMO Haywood matches up well with BigZ, Blatche matches up with Varejo, and Songaila matches up with Gooden. Throw Pesh in there, and hopefully Etan, and we got enough size and skill in our frontcourt to match up with just about any one.

Posted by: Darnell | October 9, 2007 12:10 AM "


It's all relative. For example, AB can play center if KG or Varajao are playing the center spot, but not if Shaq, Yao, Bosh, Big Z, or Dwight Howard are playing.

Posted by: DC Man88 | October 9, 2007 12:20 AM

PLEASE IGNORE DC MAN88. DO NOT RESPOND TO HIM OR ACKNOWLEDGE HIM. HE IS a racist, RUDE, VULGAR, AND MOST OF HIS POSTS ARE INAPPROPRIATE TO THIS BLOG.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 9, 2007 12:24 AM

Curry will miss at least the next several months with a shoulder tear. So much for the Knicks and their vulgar, sexist Isaiah Thomas.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 9, 2007 12:26 AM

Curry being out might actually be to their advantage. This way they can avoid the inevitable clashing of styles, bodies, and egos that comes when they try to play Curry and Randolph together (a plan doomed to fail).

Posted by: kalorama | October 9, 2007 1:41 AM

We worry about whether Blatche can match up with yao and shaq but can they match up with him? He'd run by both those guys and wind up with 20 fast break points alone cuz they're too slow to catch him on the break. BTW, Shaq is no longer worthy of a dbl team. The sooner we realize that, the better off we'll be.

Posted by: mark | October 9, 2007 8:15 AM

Watched the Celtics and Raptors on NBA TV last night, people talk about our poor D all the time, but it didn't look like either of those teams are thinking defense this year.

Looks like our old friend Jauan Dixon was running at third point guard for the Raptors. Just seems like he can't quite find a situation to fit his talents.

He'd look good on this roster as a three point shooter and a high energy guy off the bench as a fourth or fifth gaurd. But I know it would never happen. But I still like the guy and am rooting for him to find a home in this league.

Wow, Arenas took off a scrimage and the Wiz are talking about monitoring his pre-
season playing time and it's a big hairy deal. Teams monitor vets returning from injuries all the time, it's also very common to push it a little and then to let up and make sure a little soreness doesn't become inflamation.

That's all part of the normal healing, training process, Arenas has been monitored all summer long. From what I understand there's been a trainer with him most all of the time.

Setbacks aren't that surprising either, haven't heard that he's had any, but don't be surprised if Arenas even sits out an occassional early season game too. And if he does it won't have a thing to do with Barry Farms.

Be nice to get to see the guys tonight for the first time, really interested to see what combinations Jordan starts to experiment with.

I'm betting that Blatche will do ok agianst Bosh and Howard, both of their games are based on quickness and explosive power. Blatche seems to do well against that kind of guy.

As for Shaq, nobody beats him at his own game. So to play him no one can go power to power, have to pull him away from the hoop and make him move his feet. Wear him down with different guys and different looks.

We may have enough depth to do it now, also we have some bigger bodies to throw in at power forward to come attack him on the double teams. And unless Shaq comes back in better shape he's just not the guy that's going to completely take over a game any more. It's more in spurts now.

Posted by: GM | October 9, 2007 8:27 AM

Optimism is great when no games have been played yet. Let's hope we don't hear excuses when things don't go so well.

"well, we were #1 before we got injured."

"well, Gilby missed those 3 FT's b/c Lebron shouldn't have whispered in his ear..."

"well, AJ lighted it up during the playoffs, so we did good even though we got swept! we lost with grace."

"well, the guys are still learning the princeton."

"well, Gilby's shoulder was bothering him, so that's why he didn't win the 3 point contest."

"well, it was cold at Verizon, the HVAC tech shouldn't have jacked the AC so high, b/c hibachi couldn't get started."

the list goes on.....

Posted by: DC Man88 | October 9, 2007 9:03 AM

Why would playing Curry and Randolph together be a plan doomed to fail? Since when is having a center and power forward who are both good on the blocks a bad thing? I won't even bother listing all the great tandems in history like that, but I'll start the list with my guys, Parish and McHale.

Posted by: Red | October 9, 2007 9:18 AM

Posters, if we don't respond to idiot posters, maybe they will eventually go away. Once sided arguments and conversations are hard to have unless you are slightly crazy!??!!

Posted by: Anonymous | October 9, 2007 9:37 AM

PLEASE IGNORE DC MAN88. DO NOT RESPOND TO HIM OR ACKNOWLEDGE HIM. HE IS RUDE, VULGAR, AND MOST OF HIS POSTS ARE INAPPROPRIATE TO THIS BLOG.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 9, 2007 10:08 AM

Randolph and Curry ain't Parish and McHale. They play the exact same game and neither can pass the ball worth a damn. The two of them would probably get in each other's way in the paint area.

Posted by: George Templeton | October 9, 2007 10:08 AM

Everyone,

Take the text below, cut and paste on to the end of your post - all your posts. If the majority of us use this tactic, a certain individual may perhaps go away.

PLEASE IGNORE DC MAN88. DO NOT RESPOND TO HIM OR ACKNOWLEDGE HIM. HE IS RUDE, VULGAR, AND MOST OF HIS POSTS ARE INAPPROPRIATE TO THIS BLOG.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 9, 2007 10:13 AM

No. He won't go away. He'll only see the warning as a badge of honor and add it to his own posts! Best to just IGNORE him....

Posted by: Anonymous | October 9, 2007 10:27 AM

"PLEASE IGNORE DC MAN88. DO NOT RESPOND TO HIM OR ACKNOWLEDGE HIM. HE IS RUDE, VULGAR, AND MOST OF HIS POSTS ARE INAPPROPRIATE TO THIS BLOG.

Posted by: | October 9, 2007 10:08 AM "


You shouldn't have, but thanks for the props!!!!

BTW, skeef sucks and so does his mom.

Posted by: DC Man88 | October 9, 2007 10:30 AM

Ivan,

Considering early last year when the Big 3 were all in the top 20 for minutes played, how do you think Eddie Jordan is going to alleviate some of the starter's minutes? Or won't he?

Posted by: CreditZard | October 9, 2007 10:42 AM

Red, I think that the difference between Parish and McHale and Randolph and Curry is as George said, neither is noted as a good passer out of the post.

But other than that both are noted for holding the ball and then the other four guys tend to start to stand around because they're not looking for open cutters. And they both tend to like the same side of the blocks which could get crowded.

But the biggest difference is post defense, Parish and McHale could smother a team. The Cheif was a defensive force that could still D it up at 40. McHale was a good defender that could slide between power forward or center and seemed to defend both positions well.

And both guys were used to not being to primary scorers on offense. They knew how to work off of Larry Bird. Zack says he'll adjust and he has other ways to score, and he'll have to because Curry's game is all from one side of the blocks and 10' or less from the rim.

Neither has ever been noted to be very interested in the defensive game. Not noted to be good on the ball defenders, shot blockers, or quick to rotate and help.
And until Zack took off some weight last year, they were both were terrible at getting back on D.

Last year, Zack was one of the reasons that Portland developed such a plodding style because he still got winded so quickly in games.

It could work, but those guys are both going to have to want to work at their games to make the adjustments to make it happen.

Posted by: GM | October 9, 2007 10:47 AM

CreditZard

As others have pointed out, EJ didn't have nearly as many options at the beginning of the season last year. D-Song was injured and AD wasn't playing well. As I recall, he did give Mason and even Lang some run early on in the season but they failed to produce. Ditto for Blatche (although he improved later in the season). So he was left with Arvis, Brendan (Etan was the starter at the beginning of the season) and Ruffin coming off the bench. Not much production there! The difference this year is a healthy D-Song, and a (hopefully) much improved Blatche and even Mason, not to mention the rookies (I don't expect Young to get much burn, but DMac can produce without the ball in his hands which is a huge plus!

So... if Eddie still fails yo use his bench, we can legitimately be critical. But let's reserve judgement for at least the first 10-15 games!

Posted by: PK1 | October 9, 2007 11:00 AM

Um, I never said Curry and Randolph were as good as McHale and Parish. As if.

What I said is that post-up PF and C tandems have worked throughout the history of the game. So what's with the ESPN-like rush to judgment that this combo will never work? How about letting them play one preseason game before making that determination? The points you raise, GM and George, are good ones, and are obstacles they will have to overcome.

But I am weary of the pronouncements of this working and that not working before the ball has even been tipped. The Celtics, with three players and a bunch of stiffs, are going to the Eastern Finals. Iverson and Melo will clash over shots. Oden's a bust. Etc., etc.

Posted by: Red | October 9, 2007 11:16 AM

"Um, I never said Curry and Randolph were as good as McHale and Parish."

The point isn't that Curry and Randolph are as good as McHale and Parrish. That's ridiculous. The point is that while Parrish and McHale had complementary on-court styles, Curry and Randolph don't.

In addition to operating in the same space on the floor, they're both black hole on offense who've never met a pass they wouldn't refuse to make. And there's also the little matter of defense. The very little matter in this case, since neither of them plays any.

Posted by: kalorama | October 9, 2007 11:22 AM

Speaking of McHale, I ran across this YouTube clip, and it reminded me of just how impressive he was as a player. Just look at his footwork. Absolutely awesome. He and Olajuwan were peerless in that regard, IMO.

That same footwork is what made them great defenders, as well. McHale wasn't a great athlete, whereas Dream was, which illustrates that defense is more about desire and skill than straight athleticism.

http://basketbawful.blogspot.com/2007/10/welcome-to-torture-chamber.html

Posted by: Keithinator | October 9, 2007 12:02 PM

By the way, not to let actual facts get in the way of any brilliance posted on this blog or anything, but Zach Randolph averaged more assists last year than Jamison (2.2 vs. 1.9), and Curry more than Haywood (.8 vs. .6).

But I guess they too aren't McHale and Parish, so what am I talking about .... Curry and Randolph will be horrible together, and the Knicks will be better off if Curry is hurt all season. Case closed.

Posted by: Red | October 9, 2007 12:23 PM

"Zach Randolph averaged more assists last year than Jamison (2.2 vs. 1.9), and Curry more than Haywood (.8 vs. .6)."

Which, of course, means nothing. They averaged more assists (barely) than two other guys who never pass the ball. Maybe the Knicks should move them to PG?

Posted by: kalorama | October 9, 2007 12:31 PM

Also, trying to score points off pointing out Curry vs. Haywood on assists is particularly laughable, given that Curry averaged 13 minutes more per game than Haywood, yet only managed to dish out .2 more assist.

Posted by: kalorama | October 9, 2007 12:41 PM

PK1,

Understood on all points. I wasn't meaning to be vindictive toward Eddie for playing the starters so many minutes. I knew the bench lacked.

Rather, I was looking forward and merely inquiring what Ivan thinks will happen in the first half of the season, what kind of rotations will come off the bench and for how many (more, hopefully) minutes. But you're right, it's all about production from the bench. Pesh and Blatche together would be interesting. Could they even run Songalia, Pesh and Blatche at the same time (maybe with Antonio Daniels as Ivan said Songalia and AD's chemistry continues)? Would that make sense? What the Wiz want is for everyone to be healthy at the start of the playoffs, and for us to be able to make the playoffs and stay healthy, the Wiz need production from three or four players off the bench.

Posted by: CreditZard | October 9, 2007 12:45 PM

dcmen00,

This is the beginning of a break through for you. Yes, defensiveness is a window into the psychosis. Tell us more about your unhealthy lust for your mother. Like I said, we are here to listen and help you over your issues with Gilbert and now your moms.

Posted by: Skeef | October 9, 2007 12:52 PM

Skeefie,

Why your obsession with me? Just b/c you were neglected by your moms and she gave me attention, doesn't mean you have to be jealous.

Posted by: DC Man88 | October 9, 2007 1:16 PM

BTW skeefie, show some respect. I could be your biological dad. Then again, anybody could be your biological dad. Credit your mom for spreading the love (no pun intended).

Posted by: DC Man88 | October 9, 2007 1:20 PM

Nah, you couldn't be his dad--cuz his mom bit your dick off with that chipped tooth of hers, remember?

Posted by: Anonymous | October 9, 2007 1:32 PM

You're missing the point, Kalorama. You said the Knicks would be better off if Curry was injured all season because he and Randolph are "black holes." Do you think the Wizards would be better off if Jamison or Haywood were injured all season because they are even bigger black holes? What about, for example, Jeff Foster and Jermaine O'Neal (averaged 3.2 assists combined last season), Z and Gooden (2.7 combined), the Nets frontcourt (2.4), Philly's frontcourt (around 2.0), etc., etc.? Would all those teams be better off without their starting centers?

Posted by: Red | October 9, 2007 1:37 PM

Since in recent days DC Man88 has began to reference the three missed free throws at the end of the Cleveland playoff game by Arenas it could be important.

GM's posted on here that DC Man88 was on here one night apparently quite messed up talking about how everyone should see what a jerk Arenas was. Eventually he got around to saying that he'd bet, $7000.00 on that game.

That could be the event you're searching for, Skeef. Warning... he gets really nasty when it's brought up. Could be denial.

Or he could just be a crack addict...

Posted by: Anonymous | October 9, 2007 1:53 PM

that weren't no chipped tooth... DC had a hang nail!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | October 9, 2007 1:59 PM

GM's wife is a skeez.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 9, 2007 2:11 PM

The point is Red that what the Knicks are trying to do is flawed and probably won't work and here is why.
Jamison and Haywood don't operate in the same spots on the floor and do same things, so the fact they are "black holes" doesn't matter as much.
Randolph and Curry do operate in the same area and do the same things. The fact that that they for the most part once they get the ball it doesn't come back out only exacerbates the problems they will have when on the floor together. Curry being out will allow Randolph to be as good as he can be, but it won't make a difference because the Knicks will still be mediocre at best.
And that was my point and I thought your comparison that Randolph-Curry could work (which I think was your point, perhaps) like McHale-Parish worked, was invalid.
I did not mean to attack and yes I am jumping to a conclusion and saying that the Randolph-Curry combo won't work because I like to try and predict the future on here like a lot of posters.

Posted by: George Templeton | October 9, 2007 2:13 PM

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

You guys/gals are getting creative! Good job.

Posted by: DC Man88 | October 9, 2007 2:36 PM

Overall lack of productivity from the bench will be a problem. AD and DS can't compensate for the rest of the guys on the bench who are marginal and/or inexperienced.

You heard it here first.

Posted by: Mitch | October 9, 2007 2:46 PM

Come on guys, leave the "BLOG IDIOT" alone. Don't let HER/HIM bait you guys. I like to come and post with fellow Wiz fans and like the insights some of you provide. The "BLOG IDIOT" just takes the bloggers away from what we post here before. The more you give in to HER/HIM comments, the more fuel that is provided and it will go on and on. Believe me, you can't win with IDOIOTS, so don't waste your time or energy. Whomever this person is, they are vile and filthy mouthed beacuse they know they wouldn't dare make any of these comments to anyones face so PLEASE, just let HER/him rant on about Gilbert and ignore HER/him. Don't feed into or answer any comments HER/him has. Let HER/him rant alone and we will stick to the topic at hand since the 'BLOG IDIOT" can't seem to offer any substantial comments on any topic without bringing Gilbert into the conversation.

Now, can't wait to see the game tonight. I too am interested in seeing the Younguns play. Especially Pesh and Dom McGuire.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 9, 2007 3:02 PM

Optimism is great when no games have been played yet. Let's hope we don't hear excuses when things don't go so well.

"well, we were #1 before we got injured."

"well, Gilby missed those 3 FT's b/c Lebron shouldn't have whispered in his ear..."

"well, AJ lighted it up during the playoffs, so we did good even though we got swept! we lost with grace."

"well, the guys are still learning the princeton."

"well, Gilby's shoulder was bothering him, so that's why he didn't win the 3 point contest."

"well, it was cold at Verizon, the HVAC tech shouldn't have jacked the AC so high, b/c hibachi couldn't get started."

the list goes on.....

Posted by: yer daddy | October 9, 2007 3:10 PM

One thing we can agree on, George, is that the Knicks will stink, because they are the Knicks! That's a hypothesis that has been tested and proven over and over.

Posted by: Red | October 9, 2007 3:21 PM

Knicks may stink, but Les BouleS went .500 against them last season, and Les BouleS lost the first game.

Posted by: DC Man88 | October 9, 2007 3:37 PM

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Posted by: Anonymous | October 9, 2007 4:04 PM

Interesting stat by John Hollinger over at ESPN.com:

"The Wizards once again defended immensely better when Haywood played, giving up 6.6 points per 48 minutes fewer with him in the court; the two previous seasons it was 4.1 and 9.9. He has trouble when opponents go small, however, and must be hidden in a zone in those situations."

This reflects the reality as I see it. Note that this isn't Hollinger's opinion of Haywood's defensive abilities; it's a statistic, so it'll be hard to make the case that Hollinger somehow has a bias toward BH.

Again, the more Haywood plays, the fewer points the Wiz give up. Pretty simple formula. Note that I am *not* saying he's Bill Russell defensively. Just that he's probably our most effective defender overall, even given his lack of fire in the belly. He needs minutes, especially with our limited options in the post.

Posted by: Keithinator | October 9, 2007 4:15 PM

There is no need for Haywood to have problems when other teams go small -- you can pull him at that point. The problem has been EJ pulling Haywood and going small when the other team isn't going small.

Posted by: Sean | October 9, 2007 4:18 PM

Statics can be interpreted any number of ways and still maintain some level of validity. For example, Haywoods increased minutes coinsided with the team playing better. Was it because of Haywood? Or was it the natural maturation of a team that was incoroporating a new player. Note that Jamison and Arenas began to play better after Etan went down. If those stats are collected when the team was playing better, then the stats may be misleading. I think when you look at the Wizards when Haywood vs. Etan are on the floor folks come away with differing impressions, however; throughout Haywood's career the negative impression have dogged him. I do not think this issue will be settled until each player is placed in another situation/team.

Posted by: Skeef | October 9, 2007 4:52 PM

There aren't a lot of ways to interpret that statistic. It's been validated over a number of seasons, so it's not some anomaly. Now, do I wish the Wiz had something better at center? Absolutely. So do about 26 other teams. But he's the best, by far, among the slim pickins on our roster.

Posted by: Keithinator | October 9, 2007 4:57 PM

JCN's line from last nite:
~30 mins; 21 pts on 8 of 14 shooting, 5 of 8 from 3pt; 1 reb; 2 ast; 1 stl, 1 TO...

let's go lottery protected conditional draft pick!!!

Posted by: hmmmmm | October 9, 2007 5:10 PM

Only 21 points? What a bust.

Posted by: Joe | October 9, 2007 5:31 PM

"Again, the more Haywood plays, the fewer points the Wiz give up."

Keith we all know this already, and talked about it to death last year. But it's probably going to keep coming up with all the Haywood haters.

The guy is like 9 foot tall with his arms in the air, whereas Etan is still 6'10" with his. ;)

The Wiz just seem to play better when he's on the floor and the rest of the team knows that and so does EG.

This season he should no room to complain unless Blatche catches fire and explodes as a canter on this team. Either way I like the Wizards chances at center this year.

"The problem has been EJ pulling Haywood and going small when the other team isn't going small."

Exactly Sean, and this is what Jordan needs to change in his coaching this year. I didn;t like his rotations one bit last year. His philosophy is "big 3" and anyone else and that doesn't always cut it. That and he always seems to sub in 5 dudes at a time instead of working guys in.

It drives me nuts! :)

Hopefully EG put a bug in his ear.

- Ray

Posted by: Ray | October 9, 2007 5:50 PM

"Only 21 points? What a bust."

Oh man, I don't wanna even go there again. :)

I really think we should have kept that guy.

- Ray

Posted by: Ray | October 9, 2007 5:51 PM

Ray, agreed about Haywood. But some still persist in thinking Etan's a better option (or did, until recently.) I just like to add some dispassionate facts to what is an incredibly emotional discussion.

Re: JCN -- if he were here, when would he play? We don't need more scorers on this team; we need more stoppers. Stevenson is much more of a stopper than JCN. And this will give Young time to develop; stuck behind JCN/Deshawn, he'd never see the light of day.

Posted by: Keithinator | October 9, 2007 7:42 PM

I think those of us who wanted JCN, would not have kept Stevenson.

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