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Wiz win

I know the kids need the work and Gilbert Arenas is coming off an injury and needs to shake some rust off adn all of that but man, it's preseason games like this that will make you scream for the regular season to get here as soon as possible. The Wachovia Center had maybe 7,000 people in here counting media, beer salesmen and cheerleaders, Gilbert sat out to rest his legs after last night's game against Dallas and the basketball wasn't exactly crisp. Anyway, the Wiz are 3-0.

Antonio Daniels was held out to rest a mild left ankle sprain, something he did last night against Dallas. He and Gilbert will likely play against Chicago Tuesday night. Andray Blatche had another solid game (10 points on 4 of 7 shooting with five rebounds, four assists and two blocks) and Antawn Jamison made the most of extended minutes to finish with 17 points and eight rebounds. Olekisy Pecerov also had a solid performance, scoring 11 points on 4 of 7 shooting. He drained an early three-pointer and that appeared to get him going a little bit.

Really not much else to say about this one so I'll drop a post and let you folks break it down. On to Chicago....

(one quick note to respond to a post in the blog. Etan's valve involved a tissue replacement rather than a mechanical one so he won't need blood thinners.)

By Ivan Carter  |  October 14, 2007; 9:03 PM ET
 
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Comments

What's the word on Gilbert, he seems to be struggling more than I thought he would, having Blatche step up is nice, but if Gil is only playing at 85% we're in for a long season.

Posted by: juandixonformvp | October 14, 2007 9:32 PM | Report abuse

DMac needs to work on his handles, and AB needs a bit more discipline, which should come when he gets more PT/experience. I wonder how AB would fit if he cracks the starting lineup. I would imagine he wouldn't get many touches.

Posted by: DC Man88 | October 14, 2007 9:36 PM | Report abuse

"What's the word on Gilbert, he seems to be struggling more than I thought he would, having Blatche step up is nice, but if Gil is only playing at 85% we're in for a long season.

Posted by: juandixonformvp | October 14, 2007 09:32 PM "


According to Gilby, he says he's 100%. If he's not, he's better off riding the pine until he's back healed 100%. He's not doing Les BouleS or himself any favors by coming back early and not having the confidence or ability to do what he was doing this time last year, and more. Maybe his mommy can write him an exemption to play offense only and have him give it to EJ.

Posted by: DC Man88 | October 14, 2007 9:39 PM | Report abuse

Unlike Brendan, Blatche can create his own touches. So far this pre-season quite a few of his points have resulted from offensive rebounds and points in transition. We don't need him to be someone for whom we run plays and setups. If the guy can play agressively on D and be strong on the boards we will be fine.

Posted by: PK1 | October 14, 2007 9:43 PM | Report abuse

PK1 is right. AB would get a lot of points from offensive rebounds and running the floor, plus he would play some D on opposing players that are hard for us now to guard when Jamison is in there.

Posted by: Tim | October 14, 2007 9:52 PM | Report abuse

Jarvis Hayes put up 24 points for Detroit on Sunday, including 4-6 from 3-point range. Looks like the change of scene may bode well for him. I wish him well... as long as he doesn't come back to burn the Wiz!

Posted by: PK1 | October 14, 2007 10:09 PM | Report abuse

AB's ability would be wasted if he's not part of the offensive scheme, but instead, told to assume a Ben Wallace type of role. The beauty of AB's game is that he can pass and has the Magic Johnson/Chris Webber type of instinct, which none of the starters have now, or possibly ever.

Posted by: DC Man88 | October 14, 2007 10:09 PM | Report abuse

Looks like Mason played the point most of the game except when Taylor filled in for him.

I have to say its not looking good for Donell.

But he has more minutes than Hall or Massenburg in three games...
DT-47
MH-35
TM-27

So, which one is going to be cut and when ?

Posted by: Anonymous | October 14, 2007 10:16 PM | Report abuse

Brendan Heywood "can pass and has the Magic Johnson/Chris Webber type of instinct"? your joking right? Yeah, your looking for a response...darn, caught me in your trap!

Posted by: Skeef | October 14, 2007 10:47 PM | Report abuse

I thought about this too, Donnel is gone. If EJ believes Roger can run the point in the pinch, why keep Taylor. Massenburg can be brought back if a big gets injured, so I think Hall is in for sure. Good question however.

Posted by: Skeef | October 14, 2007 10:50 PM | Report abuse

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJ7Fx5PfklE


Wizards/Sixers highlight reel. For those who missed the game tonight. John Witherspoon makes a cameo appearance in this :D , enjoy.

Posted by: Will from rockville | October 14, 2007 11:02 PM | Report abuse

"Brendan Heywood "can pass and has the Magic Johnson/Chris Webber type of instinct"? your joking right? Yeah, your looking for a response...darn, caught me in your trap!

Posted by: Skeef | October 14, 2007 10:47 PM "


Skeezie, when did Brendan Haywood become AB?

"The beauty of AB's game is that he can pass and has the Magic Johnson/Chris Webber type of instinct, which none of the starters have now, or possibly ever.

Posted by: DC Man88 | October 14, 2007 10:09 PM "

Posted by: DC Man88 | October 14, 2007 11:08 PM | Report abuse

my bad dcboy0

Posted by: Anonymous | October 14, 2007 11:13 PM | Report abuse

Donells only chance is his "hustle" is contagious I guess.

Heck, in college he could hit the 3. Not sure why his shot didnt develop more after 2 years in the NBA.

But, Mason played 36 minutes and only had 2 assists so its not like he is a big playmaker or anything.

The minutes suggest it will be Hall or Massenburg.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 14, 2007 11:48 PM | Report abuse

"The beauty of AB's game is that he can pass and has the Magic Johnson/Chris Webber type of instinct, which none of the starters have now, or possibly ever.

Posted by: DC Man88 | October 14, 2007 10:09 PM "

What? Now I know you're trying to get a rise out of everyone.

Blatche was 62nd out of 70 power forwards in turnover ratio last year. He turned the ball over on an obscene 16% of his posessions last year (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/players/hollinger?statsId=3975). By comparison, Chris Webber, in a down year, had a turnover ratio of 10.7%. Magic Johnson's career turnover ratio was 12.4%, but he balanced it out with an obscene 36% assist rate (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/johnsma02.html).

The more Blatche has the ball in his hands, the worst. His best bet is to score off the glass, because he's an excellent offensive rebounder when utilized correctly.

Posted by: Pradamaster | October 15, 2007 12:46 AM | Report abuse

Oh, and 'Dre averaged an awful 2.3 assists/40 minutes last year. Webber, for his career, averaged 4.1 assists/40, and Magic was at 12.2 assists/40.

Do you actually think about things before you post them?

Posted by: Pradmaster | October 15, 2007 12:49 AM | Report abuse

No Pradmaster, DCIdiot88 doesn't think before he posts because he has a one-track mind. His initial post on this topic was an implied criticism of Gilbert Arenas (suggesting that AB wouln't get any touches). When someone suggested that AB would create his own touches, 88 came back with the C-Web/Magic comparison...

Posted by: Anonymous | October 15, 2007 1:05 AM | Report abuse

Pradamaster must be a statmaster...hmmm, maybe not. It's unfair to compare STATS for a guy who might get 5 minutes a game vs. CWebb who has started since he's been in the NBA, nevermind having spent 2 years in college also.

What I'm saying is that AB looks like he's a good passing big man, which are far and few in between, and probably has more of that natural ability compared to any of the starters, especially since at 6-11, he can see over most of the dudes on the court.

Posted by: DC Man88 | October 15, 2007 1:17 AM | Report abuse

PLEASE IGNORE DC MAN88. DO NOT RESPOND TO HIM OR ACKNOWLEDGE HIM. HE IS a racist, RUDE, VULGAR, AND MOST OF HIS POSTS ARE INAPPROPRIATE TO THIS BLOG.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 15, 2007 2:26 AM | Report abuse

We're holding our breath until DCMan88 can give us the latest negative dish on Wizards Gilbert Arenas...Mr. DCMan88?

Hello Gilbert's beat reporter?
what happened in Philly? Can't you do better than that? Give us some substance - stop ridin off Ivan..

We know - nobody knows or can report on Gil & the Wiz like you. You're the man
So lets hear or read it...

Ain't one move that guy does - you don't know or critique...Do you run his car down like the standard Paparrazi? follow him into the showers? OOOOOOH Kinky!!!
You must. We all know you follow him to Barry Farms, you're always commenting on his game & what he drove did!or didn't do.!Now, you're updating us on Gil's video games and apparently resorted to following his mother?? Second comments on Gil's mother. aughty, naughty somehow you've personally met her as well? or are you the one seeking mother contact & jealous of Gil?

Do you follow Jason Campbell of the Redskins around like that too or just "Gil" that requires your undivided attention and critiquing?

Ok go ahead..try to play the dozens..spew some stupid venomous statement that we'll all ignor..be typical or try finding that one good brain cell and use it.

Posted by: Laughin out loud | October 15, 2007 2:31 AM | Report abuse

Massenburg is the most likely to stick. With Etan out, the Wiz are short on brute strength on the front line, a guy with a big body who's willing to throw it around and use it as a battering ram against the likes of Shaq, Morning, Wallace, Curry, Randolph, Ilgauskas, et al, when a few extra hard fouls are called for. Massenburg fills that slot.

On a sheer talent scale, Hall has it all over Taylor and would be the more logical keeper. Problem is, he plays at the position where the Wiz probably have the most depth and talent. Of course, Taylor's problem is that he essentially doesn't really play at any position at all. But the positions he pretends to play are the ones where they could use some depth.

Posted by: kalorama | October 15, 2007 3:26 AM | Report abuse

"Pradamaster must be a statmaster...hmmm, maybe not. It's unfair to compare STATS for a guy who might get 5 minutes a game vs. CWebb who has started since he's been in the NBA, nevermind having spent 2 years in college also."

Except both those numbers presented are regulated on a per-minute ratio. The whole point is that you can use them to compare players who don't play the same number of minutes.

Like, seriously, read something new for a change.

Posted by: Pradamaster | October 15, 2007 4:34 AM | Report abuse

I have to say that I agree that AB is a pretty good ball handler for a big man. He's not as good a passer as Webber and not a 10th of the player that Magic was. He turns the ball over a lot but that'll happen when you're inexperienced and trying to make something happen because you're getting sporadic minutes. I'd say he's similar to Jared Jeffries in terms of ball handling and defense (with a much bigger upside). The stats may not back this up yet but give him a little time. Also, I don't think this team needs Gil to score 26 a game anymore. We're so deep that even if he's lost a little, we're still ok. Personally, I think he's fine but just being cautious in games that mean nothing.

Posted by: Mark | October 15, 2007 6:28 AM | Report abuse

After watching two pre-season games, the verdict is out, Taylor is NOT a PG. He simply does not have a clue on how to run the offense. With both Arena and AD out, Mason played better at the point than DT, although I am not sure if Mason benefited by being on the court with Stevenson (who can share some of the ball handling and direct offense) at the same time.

We also got a glimpse of new "small ball" lineup last night, with the front court of Massenburg, McGuire and Mike Hall. :)

Posted by: Sagaliba | October 15, 2007 9:37 AM | Report abuse

Is Massenburg the new Ruffin? Big body in the middle for relief late against Shaq/Duncan/ Wallace?

Posted by: joe c | October 15, 2007 9:55 AM | Report abuse

"Except both those numbers presented are regulated on a per-minute ratio. The whole point is that you can use them to compare players who don't play the same number of minutes.

Like, seriously, read something new for a change.

Posted by: Pradamaster | October 15, 2007 04:34 AM "

I guess to you, someone coming into the game cold off the bench as the 10th man should be able to produce the same for 10 minutes, just the same as someone who starts and gets 35-40 minutes in a game to get their game on.

Your stats also fail to factor in a starter, CWebb, who plays with other starters (ie. better, more productive teammates), vs. AB who plays with the second team if lucky..maybe the 3rd team.

Yeah right, in your stats world, not in the real world.

Posted by: DC Man88 | October 15, 2007 10:02 AM | Report abuse

"Ok go ahead..try to play the dozens..spew some stupid venomous statement that we'll all ignor..be typical or try finding that one good brain cell and use it.

Posted by: Laughin out loud | October 15, 2007 02:31 AM "

BWAHAHAHAHA!!!

And, you're wasting time writing about someone whom you said has "one good brain cell," so that makes you have what? 1/2 a brain cell?

laughin out loser!

So silllly!!!!

Posted by: DC Man88 | October 15, 2007 10:05 AM | Report abuse

"I guess to you, someone coming into the game cold off the bench as the 10th man should be able to produce the same for 10 minutes, just the same as someone who starts and gets 35-40 minutes in a game to get their game on.

Your stats also fail to factor in a starter, CWebb, who plays with other starters (ie. better, more productive teammates), vs. AB who plays with the second team if lucky..maybe the 3rd team."

that is a very good point...you can not compare them with just stats alone it is not a fair comparison

Posted by: LooseCannon | October 15, 2007 10:24 AM | Report abuse

the comparison is a fair one. While AB is a good passer he is not in the same class or conversation as Magic or Webber. While he may grow into one of them over his career, the comparison now is a bit silly to say the least.

Its amazing how we see stats as the in all be all when it proves our point and not when it disproves our point.

Posted by: Skeef | October 15, 2007 10:55 AM | Report abuse

So now all of a sudden this blog is talking more about Andray. I've been saying this since last year, AB will turn into something special given the chance and proper coaching committment. There was also something special about Dwade when I saw him play for Marquette. Gawd, I can prolly work as a scout. Who cares about stats and comparisons, all I know is that he delivers everytime he's out there playing.

Posted by: bdunkadunk | October 15, 2007 11:10 AM | Report abuse

I think people/animals here are wasting too much time thinking that I said AB was the second coming of Magic/CWebb.

"The beauty of AB's game is that he can pass and has the Magic Johnson/Chris Webber type of instinct"

I said he can pass and has that type of instinct. Nobody said that AB WAS Magic or CWebb!!!!

For the record, Nash, JKidd, Deron Williams, Lebron, Cassell, Sherman Douglas, Chris Paul, Mark Price, etc. all have/had that ability and instinct, but they are not Magic either.

Posted by: DC Man88 | October 15, 2007 11:24 AM | Report abuse

PLEASE IGNORE DC MAN88. DO NOT RESPOND TO HIM OR ACKNOWLEDGE HIM. HE IS a racist, RUDE, VULGAR, AND MOST OF HIS POSTS ARE INAPPROPRIATE TO THIS BLOG.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 15, 2007 11:59 AM | Report abuse

it's funny even when dc88 makes a true statement the fools on here still want to argue with him and tell him he's wrong, sorry guys this time he is right Ab does he those instincts if any of you have watched the games insted of reading stats you would see AB has made some great interior passes that we haven't had since webb was here.although Ab isn't there with alot of his game you can easily see it's coming

Posted by: Anonymous | October 15, 2007 12:07 PM | Report abuse

This blog is stupid..fan, short for fanatic! ONe person is in love with Gilbert Arenas and everyone else thinks they can do a better job than EJ, EG, or both.

There is a reason blog participants are not a part of the Wiz organization, and it is not because of a lack of opportunity. Try a lack of knowledge, experience, and a certain instinct for selfdelusion.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 15, 2007 12:43 PM | Report abuse

And just why should anyone listen to you? An "anonymous poster" whom this blog clearly states: "entries that are unsigned" will be removed.

You must be the driver for DC's "Batmobile" traveling around following Gilbert - laptops in hand.
Seriously????

LOL LOL

Posted by: Curious? | October 15, 2007 12:43 PM | Report abuse

DC...Do I detect a "hint" of humility?
HMMMMMMM lets see how long that'll last.

Anybody noticed - beside George Templeton - Its pre-season?

It might as well be summer league for all
intentions..Avery Johnson's a smart man.
Why run your major horses & chance them getting inujured..ala Daniels ankle?

Posted by: Laughin out Loud | October 15, 2007 12:52 PM | Report abuse

My perception is that the Wiz can have 15 players on the roster and dress 12. They currently seem to have 16, including "The Poet".
If "The Poet" is counted, they would need to cut ONE player, Massenburg (unlikely), Hall, or Taylor.

Posted by: lrmc623 | October 15, 2007 1:15 PM | Report abuse

"I guess to you, someone coming into the game cold off the bench as the 10th man should be able to produce the same for 10 minutes, just the same as someone who starts and gets 35-40 minutes in a game to get their game on.

Your stats also fail to factor in a starter, CWebb, who plays with other starters (ie. better, more productive teammates), vs. AB who plays with the second team if lucky..maybe the 3rd team.

that is a very good point...you can not compare them with just stats alone it is not a fair comparison"


EXCEPT AB also goes up against 2nd and..maybe the 3rd team, too!

Posted by: Anonymous | October 15, 2007 1:23 PM | Report abuse

If Massenburg is unlikely to be cut, why has he played less minutes than anyone else on the team ?

Posted by: Anonymous | October 15, 2007 1:28 PM | Report abuse

"EXCEPT AB also goes up against 2nd and..maybe the 3rd team, too!

Posted by: | October 15, 2007 01:23 PM "

Where do your stats tell you that?

AB didn't get much garbage time (ie. end of game of blowouts). He mostly got some time towards the end of the 2nd quarter. In the end, you can't compare a guy who gets 5-10 min/game vs. a starter doing 40 minutes, especially with EJ's substitution patterns.

Posted by: DC Man88 | October 15, 2007 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Haha i love when everyone starts arguing.

Unrelated to anything else previously said:

Anybody know where I can watch some Wizards games in Chicago? Are there any fan club web sites out there with some info on this?

Any of you Wiz fans living outside DC, throw some info out there on how you watch games (w/o buying league pass) and help me out, thanks.

Posted by: Andy | October 15, 2007 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Where do your stats tell you that?

AB didn't get much garbage time (ie. end of game of blowouts). He mostly got some time towards the end of the 2nd quarter. In the end, you can't compare a guy who gets 5-10 min/game vs. a starter doing 40 minutes, especially with EJ's substitution patterns.

Posted by: DC Man88 | October 15, 2007 01:35 PM

Well hello!? EJ needs some work on his game management skills, but using YOUR POINT YOU TRIED TO MAKE about AB playing with the 2nd and maybe 3rd team, do you really think EJ is stupid enough to have them play vs. 1st teams? lol And you're one to ask where I got my stats? lol It's no wonder so many posters here find your views delusional. You've just convinced a few more you are indeed that.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 15, 2007 1:51 PM | Report abuse

It's the Same of Song!(or insert any other appropiate four letter word that starts with an S)

A totally outlandish statement to get a response and then off to the races. Got get the conversation to name calling because when we start really talking Basketball it goes right over his head.

Tagging any 7' guy with Magic like passing ability is almost a qaurenteed trip to the D league. What in the hell would a guy with Blatche's hops, arm length, and quickness on his feet want to be doing 25' from the rim playmaking?

The smartest thing Eddie Jordan has ever done is put the kid at center. He seems to get the message when he's brought in the game as a big, pound the boards...period.
No use wasting a guy with Blatche's talents up high doing a MeadowLark Lemon routine.

Bigs should always go to the boards first, then if they have a nice little jumper, pop out and use it to set the guy up to blow by him and get to the rim again. This thing of 7' guys trying to prove that they are Mr. Everything is just plain stupid.

Put Blatche out on the wing thinking he'll blow by a guy or go end to end and score is an invitation for a turn over or a picked pocket. When a guy's the tallest quickest jumper on the floor with long arms and quick hands he needs to be crashing the boards where he can take advantage of his advantages. Not out in the open floor where the little guys have all the advantages.

Remember the days when Shaq wanted to prove he could bring the ball up the court? I once saw Mugsy pick his pocket on two striaght trips up the floor.

Without Gil and Daniels the offense was more stagnet and the D wasn't as active either last night. But it was a good night for the reserves to show their stuff. Mason looked more confident and hit some catch and shoot chances. He's running the point well enough to serve as the third point.

Pecherov has a sweet shot, and he's smart enough not to put the ball on the floor. He needs to crash the boards a little more, but he's a good smart young player. But please, no one call him the next Larry Bird, we've had enough of that garbage today.

MacGuire impresses me everytime I see him. And Jordan is experimenting with some interesting Combos to use these young guys talents. I wouldn't be surprised to see MacGuire used any where from the two to the five depending on various situations.

Young looked a little more comfortable last night, he's going to have to learn to catch the ball and shoot or make a quick move when he receives the pass. He seems to want to dribble, dribble, dribble, and then make a move. He'll be ok though.

This was the kind of game we always got blown out in so the win no matter how ugly is a good sign.

Posted by: GM | October 15, 2007 1:53 PM | Report abuse

I feel as though the people who are using stats as a crutch may be clutching at straws that make me guffaw with a couple of "ha ha's". You people must realize that stats do not mean everything, and that how someone plays in limited minutes is completely useless. Lest you people toadify yourselves any further, kiss a couple of frogs and purge yourselves from the poison of point per game!

Posted by: TooHotToSmokePot | October 15, 2007 2:07 PM | Report abuse

I agree with above.

Posted by: TooHotWithClayPots | October 15, 2007 2:08 PM | Report abuse

I think the reason you haven't seen a lot of Massenburg is that, the Wizards know what he can do. He is already in shape, so what's the point of playing him. I think kalorama is correct, if there is no Etan, then Massenburg is someone that gives you six extra fouls against the Shaq's and Yao's of the world.
The only other thing I am hoping for in this preseason is that Gilbert can play enough to knock the rust off.
GM I can see your point about Blatche, but I do think he can make plays for us passing the ball, although more likely on the block either passing out to the perimeter or to other side of the post.

Posted by: George Templeton | October 15, 2007 2:51 PM | Report abuse

lolz why do u go bwahahahhahahah dc man....tats so gay dog

Posted by: pineapple | October 15, 2007 3:28 PM | Report abuse

I'll bet that the current roster is the one that will be kept. I the wiz will place Etan on some type of unable to perform list, where he will not count against the roster. I think they will do this at the last minute on October 29. Then, they have a roster of 15, and Donnell and Mike Hall make the team because were here last year, knowing the offense, giving the org. a warm feeling. Massenburg will make it as insurance. Since Donnell, Mike, and Tony's contracts are not guaranteed ... they can be cut at any time. So the wiz will hold on to them ( until something better comes along ) ... meaning ... they will probably be here in April.

Posted by: 2cents4wiz | October 15, 2007 4:29 PM | Report abuse

2cents4wiz,

The problem with your scenario is that there's little indication from his play that Taylor actually knows the offense, at least not well enough to run it, which would kind of be useful for a supposed point guard.

If only one of the 3 is kept, it'll be Massenburg. If it's two, then it's really a toss up between Hall and Taylor. Hall might actually be better off getting cut, because he won't likely get any PT in D.C. (barring major injury problems) but he might have a shot of working his way into a rotation somewhere else. If they cut Taylor, his next stop is the D-League.

Posted by: kalorama | October 15, 2007 4:49 PM | Report abuse

If Taylor was so terrible why was he kept around for 2 full years and STILL on the team ?

Ernie clearly sees the potential for a solid reserve somewhere down the line.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 15, 2007 5:07 PM | Report abuse

"If Taylor was so terrible why was he kept around for 2 full years and STILL on the team ?"

He was a cheap, warm body who filled out the roster, worked hard in practice, and didn't complain. But mostly there wasn't anyone around to knock him out of the way. That may no longer be the case. With the influx of three rookies with guaranteed deals, the need for another big body to replace Etan, and a big pay raise for Stevenson, and an apparent desire by the organization not to carry 15 contracts into the season, (along with the fact that he has no real position) Taylor is a realistic candidate to get squeezed out.

In any case, I doubt he's still around because anyone's enamored of his potential. He is what he is: a 10th to 12th man on an NBA roster, filler who rounds out practice and occasionally gets thrown a bone in garbage time or when someone gets hurt.

Posted by: kalorama | October 15, 2007 5:14 PM | Report abuse

"

lolz why do u go bwahahahhahahah dc man....tats so gay dog

Posted by: pineapple | October 15, 2007 03:28 PM "

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

This coming from someone by the name of "pineapple!"

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

Posted by: DC Man88 | October 15, 2007 5:31 PM | Report abuse

"A totally outlandish statement to get a response and then off to the races. Got get the conversation to name calling because when we start really talking Basketball it goes right over his head.

Tagging any 7' guy with Magic like passing ability is almost a qaurenteed trip to the D league. What in the hell would a guy with Blatche's hops, arm length, and quickness on his feet want to be doing 25' from the rim playmaking?

The smartest thing Eddie Jordan has ever done is put the kid at center. He seems to get the message when he's brought in the game as a big, pound the boards...period.
No use wasting a guy with Blatche's talents up high doing a MeadowLark Lemon routine.

Bigs should always go to the boards first, then if they have a nice little jumper, pop out and use it to set the guy up to blow by him and get to the rim again. This thing of 7' guys trying to prove that they are Mr. Everything is just plain stupid.

Put Blatche out on the wing thinking he'll blow by a guy or go end to end and score is an invitation for a turn over or a picked pocket. When a guy's the tallest quickest jumper on the floor with long arms and quick hands he needs to be crashing the boards where he can take advantage of his advantages. Not out in the open floor where the little guys have all the advantages.

Remember the days when Shaq wanted to prove he could bring the ball up the court? I once saw Mugsy pick his pocket on two striaght trips up the floor.

Without Gil and Daniels the offense was more stagnet and the D wasn't as active either last night. But it was a good night for the reserves to show their stuff. Mason looked more confident and hit some catch and shoot chances. He's running the point well enough to serve as the third point.

Pecherov has a sweet shot, and he's smart enough not to put the ball on the floor. He needs to crash the boards a little more, but he's a good smart young player. But please, no one call him the next Larry Bird, we've had enough of that garbage today.

MacGuire impresses me everytime I see him. And Jordan is experimenting with some interesting Combos to use these young guys talents. I wouldn't be surprised to see MacGuire used any where from the two to the five depending on various situations.

Young looked a little more comfortable last night, he's going to have to learn to catch the ball and shoot or make a quick move when he receives the pass. He seems to want to dribble, dribble, dribble, and then make a move. He'll be ok though.

This was the kind of game we always got blown out in so the win no matter how ugly is a good sign.

Posted by: GM | October 15, 2007 01:53 PM "

Geriatric Man aka GM aka Gilby's Mom must have missed yesterday's game, especially the part where AB was out near the 3 point line, saw a cutting Opech, and fired a laser pass for Opech's easy dunk.

I'm sure in GM's world, AB's height was wasted as he was able to look over the defense and see the cutting man. I guess in GM's world, he'd prefer 6-3 Gilby make the pass, but then Gilby would instead have had his nose down trying to drive to make an impossible shot so that AB could get the board and act like a stringbean center that he is.

It's clear that GM likes the bigs doing nothing but playing D and getting boards, even if they have natural passing ability like a guy like AB. In GM's world, he's never heard of good ball rotation and making passes and seeing people cut to the basket for easy scores. He'd prefer to watch someone force a shot from making a one on one move.

GM = brain is comfortably numb due to old age

Posted by: DC Man88 | October 15, 2007 5:40 PM | Report abuse

George, don't have a problem with a big coming out catching a pass and swinging the ball to an open man. That's a huge part of the Princeton.

Songalia does it to perfection, Blatche and Pecherov both have the hands and the insticts to come out and play the high post in the Princeton. Which is a huge part of the offense which some claim we never run.

Don't have a problem with bigs with shooting ability taking jump shots either in the flow of the offense. Do have a beef with 6'10 to 7' guys that should be beasts on the boards wanting to dribble behind their back and wasting time on the wing trying to show they're a "complete" player.

I watched Webber for years, if he'd have had Russell's mental drive to win combined with the understanding of the game that Red had provided he'd have been an absulute beast. But Webber never had the drive to dominate the paint and spent too much time trying to impress everyone with Sports Center highlights.

Some on here say Blatche is to slight to play the post. I agree with Darnell, I see a guy with long arms, quick hops, agile feet, and good instincts around the hoop. With proper coaching and time to grow into his frame he could dominate the lane. I see a taller Theo Ratliff with an offensive game.

What he doesn't need to waste his time on is trying to be the "next anything" and learn to play the game to win.

I didn't really know my last quote was good enough for people to have to read it twice. With nothing intelligent to say I guess DC had to lure people in to reading his post with something.

Posted by: GM | October 15, 2007 6:44 PM | Report abuse

GM is a self contradicting idiot. An old fool too old to make sense even to himself.

GM's first attempt at making a point:

"The smartest thing Eddie Jordan has ever done is put the kid at center. He seems to get the message when he's brought in the game as a big, pound the boards...period.
No use wasting a guy with Blatche's talents up high doing a MeadowLark Lemon routine."

GM's followup:

"George, don't have a problem with a big coming out catching a pass and swinging the ball to an open man. That's a huge part of the Princeton.

Don't have a problem with bigs with shooting ability taking jump shots either in the flow of the offense. Do have a beef with 6'10 to 7' guys that should be beasts on the boards wanting to dribble behind their back and wasting time on the wing trying to show they're a "complete" player.""


I guess GM's eyes must be failing him, b/c I said AB is a good passer and has those good instincts.

GM is picking at something that he has no reason to pick on. GM, stick to picking hair out of your comb.

Posted by: DC Man88 | October 15, 2007 7:07 PM | Report abuse

What you have constantly done 88er is said something to elicit a response and then change your position everytime anyone responds to you.

Can't ever stick to the subject and talk about basketball without round after round of insults and name calling.

Anybody that knows much about this game talks about how Webber wasted much of his talent and many years trying to prove he could play on the wing. He fueded with Nellie over being played at center where he was expected to use his talents in the lane.

Here and at Sacramento he frustrated coaches drifting 20' from the rim and dribbling behind his back or passing behind his back instead of staying within the offense and qiuckly swinging the ball and then pounding the boards.

Even Webber himself has lamented in recent years about the lost title chances and his inability as a young player to grasp the importance of dominating the lane.

Passing out of the high post is alot different displaying "Magic or Webber" like ability. Webber wasted tremendous talent trying to live up to that kind of tag.

I just don't think Blatche should waste a minute trying to prove he's the next anything. People that want to hang those tags on players tend to no nothing.

By the way, I use a brush.

Posted by: GM | October 15, 2007 7:36 PM | Report abuse

I think you guys are arguing two sides of the same coin. AB shows flashes of being a very good ballhandler and a very good passer, as he has this preseason. And he shown plenty of gangly discoordination, losing the handles or ending up out of position or off balance and unable to finish. Truth is we won't know what AB will bring until he grows into that big body of his -- and until Eddie gives him more PT. But I'm really excited by the progress we're seeing from AB this preseason, and I especially like the determination he seems to be showing to improve his game after hours. We may be on the verge of seeing him have a breakout year, and if he does it'll have a big impact on how far the Wiz can run this year.

He has looked good at the 5, and with Etan out he'll be spending more time there. Maybe that's where he belongs in most situations (except when we have to match up against a beast like Shaq). But I really would rather see him eating into Antwan's minutes at the 4 and see Songaila backing up Brendan at the 5 whenever possible.

I'm really intrigued by the tall ball we saw a little bit of earlier in the preseason, except I'd like to see it with Gil at the 1 and Caron at the 2, instead of AD and Gil in the backcourt. Caron's looking trimmed and wirey enough to play some 2. I'd be curious to see a line-up of Brendan at 5, AB and Pech at forwards, and Gil and Caron in the backcourt. Could present some really tough match-ups for opponents.

Doesn't seem like the game in Chi is going to be shown anywhere??

Posted by: Prazak | October 15, 2007 10:25 PM | Report abuse

I'm not sure why anyone, even GM, wants to probe so deeply into a simple statement that remarks and gives kudos to AB about what he has shown us thus far this preseason. People are so desperate to challenge me because I have squashed their hero like a bug on this blog, exposing him for his hypocrisy, his self centered behavior, and his self interest.

Again I say:

"The beauty of AB's game is that he can pass and has the Magic Johnson/Chris Webber type of instinct"

In summary, I said he's a big man that can pass, and has Magic and CWeb's instinct to look for the open or cutting man.

How many dudes coming fresh from high school even know how to pass? How many dudes coming from college even know how to pass? AB deserves credit for his raw ability.

Nobody said squat about CWebb and his desire not to play center or pass out of the high post or dribble behind is back or any other horse sh@t like that. What I'm talking about is court awareness.

It's funny how numbnuts here blow things out of proportion just to blow some steam off. So anxious to blow, these numbnuts are....

aside: when you brush the sides, does your wife spit shine the top?

Posted by: DC Man88 | October 15, 2007 10:44 PM | Report abuse

You've "squashed their hero like a bug on this blog"? That's some grandiose self-delusion, DCman. I doubt Gilbert Arenas knows you exist, let alone that you've squashed him like a bug. You might want to get some perspective on your self, dude.

Posted by: Prazak | October 15, 2007 10:54 PM | Report abuse

"You've "squashed their hero like a bug on this blog"? That's some grandiose self-delusion, DCman. I doubt Gilbert Arenas knows you exist, let alone that you've squashed him like a bug. You might want to get some perspective on your self, dude.

Posted by: Prazak | October 15, 2007 10:54 PM "


Don't care if Gilby knows I exist or not. My point is that if I wasn't here pointing out Gilby's hypocrisy, unkept promises, and general BS, this blog would be all peaches and cream for Gilby.

And just to keep perspective, I would rag on any other player on this team if they exhibited any of the BS that Gilby does, but Gilby gets and deservers more criticism b/c he's the self annointed star of this team.

Posted by: DC Man88 | October 15, 2007 11:31 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, you're a real hero, man, telling truth to power...

Posted by: Prazak | October 16, 2007 8:32 AM | Report abuse

"Yeah, you're a real hero, man, telling truth to power...

Posted by: Prazak | October 16, 2007 08:32 AM "

Not trying to be your hero, but this blog deserves some balance, because as I said, it'd be too much peaches and cream for Gilby, and that you cannot deny.

Posted by: DC Man88 | October 16, 2007 9:15 AM | Report abuse

"Yeah, you're a real hero, man, telling truth to power..."

Posted by: Prazak | October 16, 2007 08:32 AM

This is totally true! Except for the lack of truth in his posts and for the lack of power in the people reading this blog.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 16, 2007 10:26 AM | Report abuse

I guess I'm one of the few who thinks we need a backup center. I just think Blatche
will not hold up physically as the main backup. Pech is a rookie and Songalia probably can help us against some teams. Even though many of you don't think much of Haywood, I for one hope he doesn't miss much time this year due to injury. If he does we might be a feel good story for a short time, then reality will set in.

Posted by: DMcCall2 | October 16, 2007 3:40 PM | Report abuse

I think the backup C situation will be determined based on matchups (which is why I think Massenburg is all but a lock to make the roster). Against teams that don't have really big, physical, offensively-capable Cs (which is most teams these days) they'll use some combo of Blatche, Pehcerov, and Songaila. Against the likes of Yao, Ilguaskas, Shaq, Duncan, etc., they'll press Massenburg into duty to take some of the pounding.

Posted by: kalorama | October 16, 2007 4:40 PM | Report abuse

What I think you guys forget is that Haywood will get most of the minutes against the first string centers such Yao, Ilgauskas, Shaq, Duncan (actually a PF), etc.

Blatche, Pecherov and Songaila will get minutes usally against the second and third string C's.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 16, 2007 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Haywood will get most of the minutes, but there are going to be times (esp. against those guys) when he needs a breather or he'll be in foul trouble. That's when they're going to need some bulk to fill in for him.

Posted by: kalorama | October 16, 2007 5:26 PM | Report abuse

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