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On to San Antonio

Obviously, the tragic news about Sean Taylor has dampened the mood all over the sports world so I won't say much about last night's big Wiz win at Dallas other than it was perphaps the team's best effort all season and the best road win since last December at Phoenix.

Caron Butler and Antawn Jamison had big nights, Antonio Daniels really gave Dallas fits, Nick Young was big for a short stretch spanning the third and fourth and guys like Darius Songaila (some good position defense on Dirk Nowitzki), DeShawn Stevenson (13 points) and Brendan Haywood (a pair of big buckes including a key three-point play late) came up big as well.

I asked Caron about his three-point shooting (he made a career-high five attempts Monday night and is 14-of-30 from long range after making 18 threes all of last season) and he said that he has worked on extending his range and on being better prepared to receive the basketball when it's passed out to him on the perimeter.

"You know, in the past, I've always been most comfortable getting the ball and going off the dribble so I've really been trying to do a better job of having my feet set and being in better position to just catch and shoot," Butler said. "A lot of the work I've been doing with (shooting coach Dave Hopla) is about what I do before I get the ball. Just being in a good position so I can take the shot if it's there."

Caron's first step is so good and he's so dangerous with that little hesitation move he uses, opponents will always back off a little bit and give him the long-range shot. It's a nice weapon for him to add to an already nasty offensive game.

By Ivan Carter  |  November 27, 2007; 1:38 PM ET
 
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AB did a good job against KG last year. It'd be interesting to see what he can do against Duncan.

Posted by: DC Man88 | November 27, 2007 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for the needed destraction Ivan. It's almost impossible to enjoy any DC sports news after such a shocking and horrible tragedy, but I'm glad to see that the Wizards are fighting hard on the road and still capable of beating a good team. RIP 21 and Go Wiz!

Posted by: In the A | November 27, 2007 1:54 PM | Report abuse


Yes, thoughts for Sean Taylor and his family are in all of our minds and hearts.

Great win for the Wizards last night. They really showed a lot of energy and hustle. And Dallas sure didn't respond well after losing to the Milwaukee Bucks in the previous game.

The Spurs, however, are playing much better lately...and will probably be much more motivated after losing than the Mavericks were. Out of all teams, San Antonio loses to the Kings last night? Guess Beno Udrih really wanted to show them what they are missing. Go figure. Although....the Mavs were favored by 12 over the Wiz, more than any other spread among the NBA games last night.

Bruce Bowen is a great defender, he'll probably start off on Caron....but I think 'Tuff Juice can muscle Bowen if he tries to take him closer to the block. And hopefully, that will force the Spurs to double so the Wiz can get the ball moving.

Keep up the intensity on defense and STOP TONY PARKER!

Good luck tomorrow Wizards.

Posted by: truthaboutit.net | November 27, 2007 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Bullets Fever ... Dallas scored 10 unanswered points. The wiz missed 8 straight shots during that stretch. If they had hit at least 3 of them, no one would be complaining because it would have never gotten under 12 points. Dallas made a run. Wiz couldn't make a defensive stop ( which is why I would have liked Blatche or Haywood in the game), but I can't blame the coach because his team could buy a bucket, especially, when said team still won by 12 points, under-manned, against a very good, quality opponent, on the road.

I don't find gratitude when the wiz almost win. So I'm certainly not going to fret over them almost losing (which really didn't happen this time).

C'mon ... celebrate the win. Maybe you'll get to see more TallBall against San Antonio. Hey ... I like tall ball, too.

Posted by: 2cents4wiz | November 27, 2007 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Tall Ball, I hope so. Spurs has 2 seven footers in there starting five. But if EJ wasn't impressed with Andre's 20+ points with the 76ers and I won't be surprise to see him playing around 15 - 20 minutes (again!). Good luck to AJ guarding Duncan.

Posted by: Dave, | November 27, 2007 2:34 PM | Report abuse

We are all very, very happy with the surprising win in Dallas. However, Bullet Fever is correct. Allow me to paste my comments from the previous discussion:

Wow. I am amazed that some people on this board view any critical analysis of the coach as hating. We are not blind. We recognize that EJ has taken us farther than we have been in many years.

He gets the core players to play hard. The other day in Memphis they never gave up till the horn sounded. He has a good offensive system and he does a good job of keeping key players happy. But it is clear to anyone who watches his substitution patterns that defense is a low priority. We just wish he would make the proper adjustments and marvel at the fact that he doesn't. Hopefully we will continue to play hard and win games with his philosophy. WE WISH WE WERE WRONG. BUT WE HAVE BEEN OBSERVING THIS FOR TOO LONG.

When the Bulls got rid of Coach Doug Collins I wondered why because he had taken them to several playoff runs and just couldn't get past Detroit. They made the tough decision and brought in the ex-Knick named Phil Jackson and as you all should know the team went to the next level and started their 3 rings plus 3 rings run. Now I am not calling for EJ to get canned at this point. He is doing a fine job in a lot of ways. But Ernie G needs to start pondering the coaching lists for who is that Phil Jackson-type guy out there. And remember, if my memory serves me correct, Jackson had coached in the minors successfully and had only been an assistant in the pros. Da Bulls were his first head coaching gig in the NBA.

EJ has put us where we are this year without OPech, Etan and Gilbert. He has done a fine job. BUT WE WILL NEVER GET ANY FURTHER THAN WE HAVE BEEN WITH THIS GROUP UNLESS ERNIE FINDS THE COACH TO TAKE US OVER THE TOP. That is not hating. I do not think that being a fan has taken away our ability to objectively see what is happening before our eyes. That is what I see after over 40 years of observing NBA ball and rooting for the Bullets/Wizards franchise.

I, and probably 99% of the posters on this board, hope I am wrong.

Posted by: BmoreRev | November 27, 2007 2:37 PM | Report abuse

I respect your opinion a lot, Ivan but Nowitzki was 10-18 last night. Unless I missed something, Songaila's D on him was nothing special. Of course he could have shot 100% against everyone else and missed all of his shots when Songaila was on him but I doubt that. Songaila seems like the perfect guy for Nowitzki to score on...too slow to keep up, too weak to keep out (of the paint) , too unathletic to bother the shot.
Still, I won't say too much after a good win. It's all about the W's and no one will remember who played how many minutes when the wins are tallied in April.

Posted by: freedom0125 | November 27, 2007 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Elect Caron and Antawn to the All Star team!

Vote every day!

http://www.nba.com/allstar2008/asb/eng/ballot.html

Posted by: Rook | November 27, 2007 2:47 PM | Report abuse

I respect your opinion a lot, Ivan but Nowitzki was 10-18 last night. Unless I missed something, Songaila's D on him was nothing special.

Posted by: freedom0125 | November 27, 2007 02:44 PM

Actually, Jamison started on him, and Nowitzki was 5 for 5 in the first 7 minutes of the game.

He then went 5 for 13 the rest of the game. Someone was playing better defense on him!

Posted by: Rook | November 27, 2007 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Actually, Jamison didn't do a bad job on Nowitzki either, contesting 4 of the 5 shots he took at the beginning of the game.... and stealing one pass intended for Nowitzki when he was trying to post up.

Posted by: Rook | November 27, 2007 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Rev --
I agree with your comments. The fact is that Eddie either needs to become a better coach, or he will likely be replaced. I think he is a good coach with the potential to become a very good coach, but I'm not sure I've seen much growth. Some things he does are just puzzling/surprising, the best example being his infatuation with smallball, which has proven over time to be ineffective.

I'm wondering whether he is getting any guidance on how to become a better coach, or whether he is going it alone. Is he getting advice that he is implementing, or advice he disregards because he is stubborn? Does Ernie ever challenge any of the decisions he makes? Who knows, maybe Ernie is on board with smallball.

Posted by: Sean | November 27, 2007 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Wow. I am amazed that some people on this board view any critical analysis of the coach as hating. We are not blind. We recognize that EJ has taken us farther than we have been in many years.

He gets the core players to play hard. The other day in Memphis they never gave up till the horn sounded. He has a good offensive system and he does a good job of keeping key players happy. But it is clear to anyone who watches his substitution patterns that defense is a low priority. We just wish he would make the proper adjustments and marvel at the fact that he doesn't. Hopefully we will continue to play hard and win games with his philosophy. WE WISH WE WERE WRONG. BUT WE HAVE BEEN OBSERVING THIS FOR TOO LONG.

When the Bulls got rid of Coach Doug Collins I wondered why because he had taken them to several playoff runs and just couldn't get past Detroit. They made the tough decision and brought in the ex-Knick named Phil Jackson and as you all should know the team went to the next level and started their 3 rings plus 3 rings run. Now I am not calling for EJ to get canned at this point. He is doing a fine job in a lot of ways. But Ernie G needs to start pondering the coaching lists for who is that Phil Jackson-type guy out there. And remember, if my memory serves me correct, Jackson had coached in the minors successfully and had only been an assistant in the pros. Da Bulls were his first head coaching gig in the NBA.

EJ has put us where we are this year without OPech, Etan and Gilbert. He has done a fine job. BUT WE WILL NEVER GET ANY FURTHER THAN WE HAVE BEEN WITH THIS GROUP UNLESS ERNIE FINDS THE COACH TO TAKE US OVER THE TOP. That is not hating. I do not think that being a fan has taken away our ability to objectively see what is happening before our eyes. That is what I see after over 40 years of observing NBA ball and rooting for the Bullets/Wizards franchise.

I, and probably 99% of the posters on this board, hope I am wrong.


Posted by: BmoreRev | November 27, 2007 02:28 PM


Live from Dallas
Sorry for the lack of blog updates the last two days. Something went wrong with the blogging network we use and I wasn't able to post over the weekend. I just arrived here at AA Arena in Dallas for tonight's game. The Wiz are coming off a couple of rough losses to Golden State and Memphis in which their defense was ripped apart. That's not a good thing considering that they face the Mavs tonight in a place where they haven't won in six years.

The Mavs are coming off a loss at Milwaukee in which they gave up 35 fourth quarter points so they'll be looking to play better defense as well. The loss the Bucks was the first time the Mavs lost this season when holding a lead going into the fourth quarter.

The Wiz played hard in the losses to the Warriors and Grizz but looked like they were playing with heavy legs. Having games in four of five nights will do that to you. Dribble penetration was a huge problem going back to the win at Charlotte Wednesday night. Raymond Felton, Baron Davis and then the elusive Juan Carlos Navarro and Kyle Lowry pretty much broke the Wiz down at will and kicked out to open shooters.

Antawn Jamison averaged 29.3 points on 60.8 percent shooting with 10.5 rebounds in four games last week.

The Wiz will also wear the black and gold alternate uniforms again tonight. They are 8-8 all time in the uniforms.

By Ivan Carter | November 26, 2007; 6:02 PM ET
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Ivan. Can you ask Eddie why he is not using TALLBALL (i.e. Haywood and AB) anymore in games? Also, are he and Haywood still on good terms?

Posted by: Bullets Fever #1 | November 26, 2007 06:36 PM

In light of the news about Washington Redskins safety Sean Taylor, I'm not really sure what to say about this basketball game tonight -- except to wish him and his family all the very best and a full recovery.

This news has considerably dampened our spirits here in Washington, DC but life, difficult as it frequently can be, must go on. There's not much else we can do.

Most of the time, we take the pro athletes who represent our home teams for granted and frequently criticize them for human failings on and off the field, often forgetting as fans that we should value their contributions while they represent our cities.

As a long-time Washington Bullets/Wizards fan, this is my very first posting here and I'm grateful for the updates from Ivan and the effort put forth by this Wizards team.

That's all I have to say for now. Thanks.


Posted by: JekyllnHyde | November 26, 2007 06:47 PM

maybe because eddie doesnt have another true C to backup when blatche and haywood get tired.

Posted by: i | November 26, 2007 06:55 PM

can you ask ernie why he overpaid for debrick stevenson after he went 1-30 in the playoffs?

Posted by: | November 26, 2007 07:52 PM

" The Wiz will also wear the black and gold alternate uniforms again tonight. They are 8-8 all time in the uniforms.

By Ivan Carter | November 26, 2007; 6:02 PM ET
Previous: Haywood looks good to go | "

These need to be burned.

Posted by: DC Man88 | November 26, 2007 07:59 PM

maybe because eddie doesnt have another true C to backup when blatche and haywood get tired.

Posted by: i | November 26, 2007 06:55 PM

i - that is why I suggested doing it at the 5:00 minute mark in the 2nd and 4th quarters only.

Haywood is the one who does not get tired it is AB. But that is only the case with AB because when he got shot I believe he had a collapsed lung and he might be still trying to get that right.

Suggestion:

Take Haywood out around 5:00 minute mark in the 1st quarter. Sub in AB for him. Bring Haywood back in for AB at the 8:00 minute mark in the 2nd. Then bring AB (3 minute break) back in the game at 5:00 mark in the 2nd quarter to play along Haywood.

You move CB back to the 2 spot and sit DS. It is not that hard to figure out, only if you are willing to (hint to EJ).....

Posted by: Bullets Fever #1 | November 26, 2007 08:05 PM

PLEASE IGNORE DC MAN88, HE IS AN IDIOT.

Posted by: | November 26, 2007 08:19 PM

Sucks that the team is undermanned. They could get burned out before the all star break. I think EJ is trying to pace BTH to avoid this, but BTH is a workhorse that needs PT to be effective. I doubt if Opech is going to heal up as fast as they think he can.

Posted by: DC Man88 | November 26, 2007 08:27 PM

The problem with the Wizards is that their perimeter guys aren't quick enough laterally to stay in front of drivers long enough to contain their first step or make them change direction. As a result, when they try to run out and force shooters off the line, the dribbler blows by them on the first step and gets into the lane before a big man can rotate into position, often resulting in a layup, a foul, a free throw or (in many cases) all three.

Posted by: kalorama | November 26, 2007 03:13 PM

On the other hand, against teams like Golden State, who shoot an AVERAGE of 26 three pointers per game, perhaps the Wizards coaches should take that into account and change up the Defense for that game.... Or at least, at Halftime of a game in which Golden State is shooting the lights out at the 3-point line, they should make some kind of strategic change in the Defense. Change it up. Make them drive. Make em do something different!!
Guard them tight at the 3-point line.

If GS shoots only 50% from behind the 3-point line, Washington wins that game.

I mean, we're not talking about teams with an inside-outside game here (like the Spurs for example) - this was the Golden State Warriors and the Memphis Grizzlies.

To keep playing the same drop-down defense all game long, against THOSE two teams, leaving the shooters wide open for 3's seems to me to be inviting a loss.

Posted by: Rook | November 26, 2007 08:28 PM

If we wanted a bad shooting guard, we could have re-signed Jarvis Hayes. Does Deshawn do anything better than a replacement-level starter? Unreal.

Posted by: Ben | November 26, 2007 09:32 PM

The problem with DS, is not only with his poor shooting, but dude was brought here to be a "defensive stopper." He's supposed to match up against the opponent's best guard. Really.

Baron Davis went ahead and hit 30+ on his way to triple double, and JCN almost hit 30 while showing that irregardless of the fact that he can't play D and looks slow, he can still get his shot off and is a deadly shooter.

As a genius on this blog said recently:

"We have to outscore guys to win."

That's sheer brilliance right there, in a nutshell.

Posted by: DC Man88 | November 26, 2007 09:47 PM

Slurp said it, must be true.

Posted by: | November 26, 2007 10:08 PM

oooh beautiful assist for songaila...

where was I?

oh yeah, bullets fever, your suggestion is hilariously specific. lol.

keep it up guys.
-g


Posted by: greg | November 26, 2007 10:25 PM

The word is regardless...

Posted by: JE | November 26, 2007 10:34 PM

Note to Eddie Jordan,

Please never put in Roger Mason ever again.

Thank you

Posted by: ATLwizFAN | November 26, 2007 10:35 PM

"On the other hand, against teams like Golden State, who shoot an AVERAGE of 26 three pointers per game, perhaps the Wizards coaches should take that into account and change up the Defense for that game"

It's not how many you take, it's how many you make. Coming into that game, G.S. wasn't making very many of them. On the season they're shooting 34% from 3 pt range, in the bottom 3rd of the NBA. Given that they're a team that lives and dies by the jumpshot, those numbers go a long way towards explaining their 4-7 record coming into that game.

If you want to make it a numbers game, the numbers on Golden State said you had a better chance to beat them by forcing them to hit jumpshots than you did by encouraging speedy ballhandlers like Baron Davis and monta Ellis to get into the lane. It was just the Wizards bad luck that, after a season long cold spell from outside, they got hot at the right/wrong time

Posted by: kalorama | November 26, 2007 10:44 PM

It was just the Wizards bad luck that, after a season long cold spell from outside, they got hot at the right/wrong time

Posted by: kalorama | November 26, 2007 10:44 PM


The point remains that by halftime, someone on the Wizards coaching staff should have figured out that Golden State WAS hitting their shots - and it was time to change up the D.


Posted by: Rook | November 26, 2007 10:50 PM

four minutes left 20 point lead, perhaps time to put Dmac in?

Posted by: myshkin | November 26, 2007 10:54 PM

After day like today, may I just say, THANK YOU WIZARDS!!! What a pick me up to see this team, given up for dead by many before this season and even more (myself included) after an 0-5 start, come to Dallas and completely outplay the Mavericks for a seventh win in nine games. Absolutely brilliant!

Posted by: George Templeton | November 26, 2007 10:59 PM

Once again Eddie goes to smallball with Songalia at the 5 and Jamison at the 4 with 4:02 to play and guess what happens???? He took Haywood out and had to go to that dang smalball again.

What kills me is he was over there getting all ticked off like he did not know why it was happening. Sometimes I truly do not know what EJ is thinking sometime...???

Posted by: Bullets Fever #1 | November 26, 2007 11:00 PM

Irregardless isnt a word DCMAN.

Great win though.

Posted by: | November 26, 2007 11:10 PM

Quite a night. Can you believe Caron going 5-5 from 3?! This is the type of game that I knew this unit was capable of.

I have been an advocate for playing Daniels 30-40 min because of the floor balance and good decision-making he brings. Not to mention two nasty dunks...get off Antonio. That does not mean we don't need some help at backup, still waxing for Miles though I know that ship has sailed.

Just a monster effort from everyone. Love NY coming in as the spark in the 4th when we had a lull. Jamison just rolling along. Fantastic game and great encouragement for the season's potential.

Posted by: Dr. Strangelove | November 26, 2007 11:11 PM

Once again Eddie goes to smallball with Songalia at the 5 and Jamison at the 4 with 4:02 to play and guess what happens???? He took Haywood out and had to go to that dang smalball again.

What kills me is he was over there getting all ticked off like he did not know why it was happening. Sometimes I truly do not know what EJ is thinking sometime...???

Posted by: Bullets Fever #1

My reason for posting exactly. EJ is the most frustrating coach I've ever seen. Sometimes you say, the dude coached great and the next game he looks clueless. His strategy of going small at that stage of the Dallas game is - let's play small and take away a three point barrage bc that is the only way they are going to get back in the game. Ok, great. Well, when the other team has a small guard named Barea getting virtually uncontested layups 5 seconds into the shot clock 2/3 times in a row, you would think he might throw in Haywood or Blatche to guard the rim. We were playing with fire there at the end and it would have been strictly a coaching loss!!!

Posted by: Rob P | November 26, 2007 11:11 PM

Great win! But Bullet Fever is right: Smallball down the stretch almost ruined a great game again. Did anybody notice the look on Haywood's face as he walked off. He couldn't believe it was happening again.

Butler's got silly range now! I am now convinced he should play the 2 unless it is a matchup liability on defense.

CB, AJ and especially AD still play too many minutes. Needs to be addressed, especially at the point guard spot.


Posted by: BmoreRev | November 26, 2007 11:12 PM

Great team game! But dumbass Eddie Jordan sure tried too give the game to the Mavs. No Haywood or Blatche for the last 5-7 mins and Dallas makes a big run on us.
Not sure what the hell he is thinking. If he won't go big cause of the lack of depth at center then why go small with DSong at center. Just excuses for a bad coach. We were up by 19 late in the forth Dallas fans had gone home and Eddie goes small ball. Dallas cuts it to 9 and he makes no changes just stays small. Give me a break. Great job by our guys though. We played good Defense all around for the most part. Great win just keep it going into San Antonio

Posted by: the truth | November 26, 2007 11:15 PM

We may not have the best defensively capable players in the league, but often Eddie just does not know how to match up and/or coach defensive strategy. Every time we have to sit on a lead you just watch it dwindle and hope time runs out. It's like the Redskins playing prevent and/or doing nothing but handing off and going three and out every possession in the fourth quarter. On second thought, make that the whole second half for the Skins.

FRUSTRATING to watch for sure!!!!!

Posted by: Rob P | November 26, 2007 11:18 PM

Wow! It feels kind of negative on a night where we just handed the Dallas Mavericks their 1st home defeat of the season. C'mon enjoy it a little.

I am only going to do this once, I am going to suggest a rational for Eddie going small tonight in the 4th...up by 19 with 4-5 min left, maybe there was some consideration to not risky injury to either of the only potential centers the team has. Particularly with the Spurs next.

Not saying I was not freaking out as well, just trying to do the hindsight 20-20 thing.

Posted by: Dr. Strangelove | November 26, 2007 11:25 PM

haywood had 5 fouls, cheer up chuckles we win.

Posted by: greg | November 26, 2007 11:27 PM

A nice win overall though.

One comment to an ongoing sentiment in these threads - these NBA players get played millions of dollars to play basketball for a living. Stop acting like them playing 38/40 mins a game is WAY out of line!!! Ridiculous! Have you been to a game live lately? The first three quarters are like a nice chill spring time pick up game in the park. That is to say, pretty effortless overall! The intensity does not pick up for 90% of the regular season games until then. The only exception I will make is for Daniels bc he is a little older and the PG. Obviously, PG's exert a little more energy than the rest of the team throughout the game generally speaking. Also, do you or did you hear about LeBron or Jordan in his prime playing too much? Maybe shouldering too much burden, but definitely not playing time!

Posted by: Rob P | November 26, 2007 11:28 PM

Wow! It feels kind of negative on a night where we just handed the Dallas Mavericks their 1st home defeat of the season. C'mon enjoy it a little.

Damn, I'm glad someone said it.

Posted by: kalorama | November 26, 2007 11:30 PM

haywood had 5 fouls, cheer up chuckles we win.

Posted by: greg

So, did EJ think he fouled out already?

Sorry, I could not resist. Who cares? There were only a few minutes left anyway. Or, where was Blatche?

Hey, I am very happy we won. But, the coaching etc has to be examined and/or improved or we will never get BETTER. The Skins have won a couple of games here and there too, but they are still stuck in mediocrity as well.

Posted by: Rob P | November 26, 2007 11:32 PM

So apparently the Jordan hate train doesn't even pull into the station after a victory.

Posted by: kalorama | November 26, 2007 11:34 PM

I'll say it again: Nevermind Curse of Les BouleS, it's Curse of Les DC, namely Les BouleS, Les Skins, Les Nationals, Les Caps, and Les DC United. All suck. Les BouleS and Les Skins most.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!

HALLELUJAHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!


Posted by: DC Man88 | November 26, 2007 11:51 PM

I'm sure everyone here is happy with the victory. After what happened with GS and Memphis I dont think any of us expected to get a win over Dallas so it was a nice surprise.

But the fact remains that Eddie is just frustrating to watch. I too saw that clip of Eddie getting ticked off when Dallas made their little run in the last couple of minutes. Barea lit us up in the end because he had no fear of driving inside as we had no inside presence.

Does Coach really not see that we probably should kept a 7 footer in there for the last 3 minutes? I mean, Jesus, its only 3 more minutes... I think Blatche or Wood can handle that.

Posted by: Drexler | November 26, 2007 11:53 PM

Is it hate, or simply exasperation? Just when you think you have this team figured out and they get a losing team they should beat, they take a dive, then when you think they're going to get blown out they show up and turn in an inspired performance. Certainly some of the players' performances have to be a reason for this frustration, but you also have to wonder where the coaches' heads are at.

I really wish I understood this team -- it's probably no more than the simple fact that it plays to the level of its competition.

Posted by: iceberg | November 27, 2007 12:01 AM

So apparently the Jordan hate train doesn't even pull into the station after a victory.

please don't start with that tired crap. criticism is not hate. are we not allowed to point out flawed coaching decisions (at least what some folks think is flawed) in a win? eddie is once again going small at the wrong times. yes, it was a win, but those types of decisions will cost games down the line, as they did numerous times last year. so just stop it.

on a positive note, the D was better than it's been in the last couple games. the wiz got out on shooters much better. not to say there weren't some open looks, but it wasn't nearly the problem it was in the previous two. good hustle, good scrapping. an excellent win on the road against an excellent team.

I'm really liking the spark Young (the big bust, remember?) gives them off the bench. I'm frankly shocked at how quickly he's picked up the pro game after the way he looked in preseason. He's a keeper. Thought DeShawn had a good game, too. Drove to the basket more than anytime I remember; it was effective, too.

Antawn was magnificent, I thought, and just as important as Caron. He played inside most of the night, rather than just spotting up at the 3-pt. line. He never stopped moving on offense, and played Dirk pretty much to a draw, including getting him in foul trouble with all his up and under moves.

As Caron's range improves, so does his game. He'll be even tougher to guard now. He was every bit the scorer tonight that Gil is. If he can play anywhere near tonight's level this season, this team will be OK.

Backup PG is still a serious problem. Mason simply isn't good enough. He should be an end-of-the-bencher, a guy you put in that you hope will get hot for a few minutes and drain some 3s. No more than that.


Posted by: Keithinator | November 27, 2007 12:29 AM

"Wizards Look Bad On Navarro Move"
What blog genius is going to claim absolute stupidity for the coming realizatiion that the JCN trade was wrong, regardless of whether EG seriously wanted to sign him or not.

It is great to be right, even early.


Posted by: | November 27, 2007 12:35 AM

please don't start with that tired crap. criticism is not hate. are we not allowed to point out flawed coaching decisions (at least what some folks think is flawed) in a win? eddie is once again going small at the wrong times. yes, it was a win, but those types of decisions will cost games down the line, as they did numerous times last year. so just stop it.

The WAY some criticise it is hate, pure and simple, REGARDLESS of how your Geniousness feels.

Posted by: | November 27, 2007 12:38 AM

By the way, I meant to add that I must be the only person on the planet who likes the gold unis. Not likes, actually: loves them. I wish they'd use them for their home jerseys.

Seriously. I think they're great.

Posted by: Keithinator | November 27, 2007 12:38 AM

Great win, inspite of EJ!
Yes I love dthe effort and the play of just about all involved.
The exceptions are obvious.
EJ had me screaming at the TV, with his Songalia led small ball, and please get a replacement shooting guard.
DM should not be let off the bench, and DS is just not a capable big time SG.
Yes I love the win, but to be content with one win, with so many more games, belies the necessity of addressing problems that could prevent furure wins.
EJ is a disaster, and yes I saw the expression on BH's face after the game, it was a refelection of mine.
EG has got to make a coaching change before too long. I know it is difficult with the steaek we are on, and with Honest Abe controlling the purse strings.
Love the main players, and most likely could include DM if EJ would ever let him off the bench in actual competitive situations.

Posted by: mricklen | November 27, 2007 12:40 AM

The WAY some criticise it is hate, pure and simple, REGARDLESS of how your Geniousness feels.

Show me. Give me examples of the criticism/hate. Demonstrate. Otherwise, shut yer pie hole.

Posted by: Keithinator | November 27, 2007 12:40 AM

I don't think the wizard envisioned Mason as a back up PG, he is supposed to be more of a spot up shooter.

you know there is more than one facet to coaching. There is X and O coaching, and there is motivation. I think regardless of peoples opinions minute to minute, some credit should be given to EJ at this point for having this team playing like they are without arguably their best player.

No you may have a sweet idea that would really be awesome at the 4 and 5 minute marks of the 1st and 4th quarters respectively, but until you sit on the bench and take a teams temp minute to minute it is hard for you to really speak to what needs to happen real-time. You know one thing I can't stand about sports right now is how you have these coaches who sit up in a box look at film and tell the players what to do. Coaching should happen on the floor in the trenches.

I'm not saying I've never had an opinion, but with a win like tonight, over a contender, I think it might be wise for some armchair QBs to say 'hey, he did alright tonight' good win.

Smoke if you got em, chuckle heads.

Posted by: greg | November 27, 2007 01:38 AM

"please don't start with that tired crap. criticism is not hate. are we not allowed to point out flawed coaching decisions (at least what some folks think is flawed) in a win? eddie is once again going small at the wrong times. yes, it was a win, but those types of decisions will cost games down the line, as they did numerous times last year. so just stop it."

no, YOU stop it. Please. Talk about tired crap.

What did you expect? That they'd blow Dallas out walking away and the Mavs would never make a run? This is the same team that last week came back from 24 down to win in regulation. Of course they were going to make a run. But the Wiz held them off and won the game. And rather than giving Jordan any credit for a game plan that resulted in a 12 point road win against a good team, all you can do is whine about how he almost cost them the game.

A game they won by double-digits.

Christ on a f***ing broomstick.

Posted by: kalorama | November 27, 2007 01:56 AM

Show me. Give me examples of the criticism/hate. Demonstrate. Otherwise, shut yer pie hole.

Posted by: Keithinator | November 27, 2007 12:40 AM
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Ah, Duffus, we were referring to the statements above. They did contain criticism, but the way it was presented also included unnecessary and hateful remarks about Jordan. Anyway it really does not make that much of difference...

Posted by: | November 27, 2007 02:21 AM

if EJ can keep em playing like that, we'll win more than a few games. Small ball or not.


Posted by: greg | November 27, 2007 04:12 AM

Dallas shot 3-21 on their 3's. These Wiz are hard to read early on after the injury to Gil. Can't believe they went in to Dallas and won after losses to Memphis and the Warriors; though confirmed, the Warriors are hot and on a run with victory over Pheonix tonight.
With the Wiz up by 18 with four minutes left EJ would do well for all concerned to season Dmac by playing him. Dmac may be raw but he'll stay that way if he doesn't play and he showed some potential in the preseason; glad EJ's got Nick Young in the mix.

Posted by: myshkin | November 27, 2007 04:36 AM

Spectacular win. AJ, CBut, AD, DS and NY kept Dallas on their heels by continuing to attack the basket, helped by the fact that Dallas doesn't seem to have a big-time shot blocker. Can't say enough about CBut's level of play, he seems to push himself to a higher level almost daily. AJ has been unbelievable too.

Posted by: Mitch | November 27, 2007 07:37 AM

With the passing of Sean Taylor, seems like these games don't even matter to me anymore. RIP, Sean.

While we've been ripping DS all year, maybe it's the wrong DS we're focusing on. Darius Songaila played 20 minutes last night and had 2 or 3 rebounds and no points, I believe. It's not his fault that EJ likes him so much but he's clearly EJ's crutch now that Etan and Ruffin are gone. I truly believe that we would be better off with another coach. It would be a mistake to let him go right now probably but it's a topic that needs to be discussed. Actually, firing him now might be the best thing for everyone. The season is young enough where a new coach could establish something so that by the end of the year, we might be putting it all together.

Posted by: freedom0125 | November 27, 2007 07:51 AM

RIP SEAN TAYLOR!

Posted by: i | November 27, 2007 08:00 AM

This whole season sucks with Taylor dying. It's hard to get excited about any sports right now.

Posted by: freedom0125 | November 27, 2007 08:01 AM

Wow, heckuva win by Les BouleS. CBut is proving time and time again that he's really upped his game. If he keeps this up, he's going to be considered a premier player in this league, not b/c he can light it up, but b/c he's hustling on the defensive end too. How many other players in this league can do it on both ends of the court?

Kobe, Duncan, TMac, Bosh, DHoward, DWade?????

Also, AB showed again that he's a big man with skills, and given that, he's got the gift of knowing where his teammates are on the court and being able to anticipate and make that extra pass. Please note also, the heavy, heavy minutes that the starters logged. I hope they don't get burned out because the team is way undermanned.

http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=271126006

That's what winners do though...they beat good teams on their home court. Great effort from EJ and the team.

On a side note, it's really sad that ST got shot, and a real tragedy that he died. I hope his family can stay strong during this tough time.

Posted by: DC Man88 | November 27, 2007 08:15 AM

It's not his fault that EJ likes him so much but he's clearly EJ's crutch now that Etan and Ruffin are gone.

Posted by: freedom0125 | November 27, 2007 07:51 AM

Freedom - This is a very good point that you made, because I was thinking the same thing yesterday. Now I am not calling for EJ to fired, but the man's obsession with "slow smallball (DS at the 5)" has to go and it will down the line cost us some games.

Yea, EJ has the team fired up and playing, but if it was not for CB's 5 for 5 shooting from the 3 point line and his overall great game we would have lost this game.

Yea, Haywood had 5 fouls. Please tell me how many AB had??? Was AB hurt, did he have to go to the bathroom, did he have a headache, inquiring minds want to know.?

That little short guard saw DS at the 5 and immediately started driving the lane. What made it worst was you see EJ cursing on the sideline with the "f" word like he did not have a clue on why Dallas was making a run. Can somebody say "slow smallball...."?????

Then to top the whole thing off, he never changed the lineup? That is what really blew my mind. I was just about to post what a great coaching job Eddie did in that game with his subs until that 4:09 minute came and I saw him insert "slow smallball". I instantly knew Dallas was going to make a run. I just did not know they were going to make THAT BIG OF A RUN.

Posted by: Bullets Fever #1 | November 27, 2007 08:17 AM

My prayers and my thoughts go out to Sean Taylor's family for their lost today. I feel real bad right now because this guy had turned his life around and was starting to do the right thing and then this happens. Sad....

"Blessed are those who mourn, For they shall be comforted".
Matthew 5:4


Posted by: Bullets Fever #1 | November 27, 2007 08:24 AM

Oh yeah, JJ Barea had a heckuva game. None of our guards could stay in front of him. He was undrafted, and Dallas gave him a chance, and he showed what he was capable of.

http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=271126006

Posted by: DC Man88 | November 27, 2007 08:26 AM

I actually think EJ coached an incredible game. Think about it, we were on the road against one of the toughest teams in the league. Our bench was depleted and our all-star PG is out of the lineup. WE WON!

Another point, does anyone care that Jamison is playing like a man on a mission? Seems like just yesterday everyone was screaming to have him traded. Yeah he's a defensive liability but I'll take his offense and motivation any day over his poor defensive play.

If this team can get the same energy up against San Antonio, I see a two game winning streak!

Posted by: DC Juan | November 27, 2007 08:40 AM

Yes, AJ is an incredible offensive player, and a really good rebounder too. I just can't figure out why he's such a poor defender.

Posted by: DC Man88 | November 27, 2007 08:46 AM

Yea, EJ has the team fired up and playing, but if it was not for CB's 5 for 5 shooting from the 3 point line and his overall great game we would have lost this game.

Posted by: Bullets Fever #1 | November 27, 2007 08:17 AM

A 15 point swing? that could be said about most games, no?

Posted by: Jumpy | November 27, 2007 08:47 AM

Very tragic news about Shawn Taylor this morning. Sometimes it makes you stop and think of all the shootings that we see on the evening news and how sad they all are for the families.

Great unexpected win last night for the Wiz. The expansion of Caron Butler's game is going to really pay dividends for this team when they get back to full health. His increased shooting range and the new found ability to make a jab step and go up for his jumper have made him a much more effective offensive player.

Now teams are going to have to play him honest instead of sagging off and waiting for him to drive and shoot his midrange jumper. That will open up the lane a little more for our drivers.

Nick Young is growing by the game, haven't heard that B word in awhile. He's really working hard at his D, not a good defender yet, but he's working at it now.

Songalia has got to be part of our rotation because that's what we've got right now. Blatche still seems to get winded at times, I think he's still working to get into NBA game shape, I hadn't thought about the punctured lung. That could be a factor in his getting winded sometimes. So it's really not real feasible to go many minutes at all with the big lineup.

I'd agree, Eddie should work to keep the pairing of Jamison and Songalia off the court. Hey but a wins a win! And we haven't won in Big D in six years!

Anybody else catch any of the Golden State /Suns game? GS put up 129 pts. in the win over the Suns, when those guys are hitting that three ball they look like monsters. Live by the three, die by the three!

The Wiz are better at matching up against teams that play a more conventional style of ball right now then teams that are playing the more high octane brand of ball. We just don't have enough D to really slow down those teams and not enough firepower to really run and gun with them.

The good news is that with the development of Blatch and Young and the expansion in Butler's game we're not really offense less like we were at the end of last year.

Mason was meant to be the third option at point and the second or third option at the two. I'm not sure that he's up to being the second point. Looks like Eddie is going to try and steal a few minutes from time to time with Stevenson and Young out there together.

The Suns will be really tough for us, lets just hope the Warriors tired them out a little.

Posted by: GM | November 27, 2007 08:58 AM

PLEASE IGNORE DC MAN88, HE'S AN IDIOT.

Posted by: | November 27, 2007 09:22 AM

Kal,

When did you turn into DC Man? Go away, if you have nothing more to contribute than that. You did not address what I said at all. Explain how criticism is hate. Do it. Did you miss the point on purpose, or by accident? The point some were making is his infatuation with smallball will continue to cost the Wiz. It's when Dallas made their last-gasp run last night. It didn't work all last year. It hasn't worked this year.

THAT'S THE POINT. Explain to me how that's hate. Please enlighten me. I'm waiting with bated breath for your knowledge to brighten the dark recesses of my mind, O Wise One.

Posted by: Keithinator | November 27, 2007 09:25 AM

Keithahater sucks his keithavibrator.

Posted by: DC Man88 | November 27, 2007 09:40 AM

The Suns will be really tough for us, lets just hope the Warriors tired them out a little.

Posted by: GM | November 27, 2007 08:58 AM


GM - tonight is the Spurs.

We don't play the Suns until December 7th. I think they'll be sufficiently recovered from the Golden State game by then... (grin)


Posted by: Rook | November 27, 2007 09:53 AM

Would Cleveland do a deal with Les BouleS?

http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=19060333&BRD=1699&PAG=461&dept_id=46370&rfi=6

Posted by: DC Man88 | November 27, 2007 09:53 AM

"What did you expect? That they'd blow Dallas out walking away and the Mavs would never make a run? This is the same team that last week came back from 24 down to win in regulation. Of course they were going to make a run. But the Wiz held them off and won the game. And rather than giving Jordan any credit for a game plan that resulted in a 12 point road win against a good team, all you can do is whine about how he almost cost them the game".

Posted by: kalorama | November 27, 2007 01:56 AM

Kal - Dallas would not have made that run at the 4:09 mark if EJ would have keep his starting five lineup in the game till the end or at least the 2:00 minute mark. You could clearly see Dallas was beat down because every time they made a push the starting unit responded. The starting five were playing with a good rhythm, so why mess with that and lose momentum?

If EJ was going to do that drastic change it should have been around the 2:00 mark. Smallball is supposed to be used to "out-quick" your opponent. You give up size and rebounds and interior protection of the rim for shooting/scoring and quickness.

Where is the quickness with DS at the 5 and AJ at the 4? Plus, you are slower, can not get rebounds, and can not contest shots coming to your basket.

It is just a dumb and stupid lineup, but EJ keeps trying to play it. That is why a lot of us are bringing this up. Then for EJ to refuse to change it up when they were making their run really takes the cake.

What kind of confidence builder is EJ instilling, or much less relaying, to AB and Haywood when the other team is making a run and he does not put either one of them back in the game to stop it? Let me guess, AB and Haywood just need to "man up" and be professional and just suck it up, right...???

Posted by: Bullets Fever #1 | November 27, 2007 09:55 AM

It was a good game! Although Wizards still let Barea penetrate like there was no one guarding him. The little guy played for less than 12 minutes and scored 15 points! (6 for 8 shooting, mostly lay-ups.)

Maybe it is because AD is tired, he played 41 minutes last night, more than Jamison. I think this speaks for getting another PG to back up AD. Someone mentioned that Brian Chase is only 5'11", and maybe a defense liability. But Barea is 1 inch taller at most, which makes it a closer match. In fact, Wizards this season have problem with small quick guard, so Chase may help to defend that. Of course the most important benefit is to spare AD for the long run (at least 3 months), and free up Mason to be a spot shooter. Mason does not shoot well when he has to handle the ball and cannot get his feet set.


Posted by: Sagaliba | November 27, 2007 10:04 AM

Varejao wants 10 Million a year.

Cleveland has already said they don't want to "take back inferior players just so Varejao can be overpaid."

Keep in mind: If Cleveland does a sign-and-trade, and signs him for $10 Million Dollars per year, the Wizards will have to trade like value in contracts.

Assuming that Cleveland is not STUPID, and would not trade for an injured player (Thomas, Arenas).....The trades that work, contract wise, are:


Butler/Pecherov for Varejao

Butler/Blatche for Varejao

Daniels/Haywood for Varejao

Songaila/Daniels for Varejao

Blatche/McGuire/Pecherov/Songaila/Young for Varejao


So - DC Man88, which of THOSE deals would you do to get Varejao?


Posted by: Rook | November 27, 2007 10:12 AM

DCMan, what Wizard would the Cavs take in a sign and trade for Varejao, who I agree surely does bring energy? I am sure they would want Blatche but that's too high a price. Considering that they took Larry Hughes off our hands, maybe Songaila (who is actually a good fit for their half court offense) and the infamous Memphis pick.

Posted by: khrabb | November 27, 2007 10:15 AM

EJ has had that small lineup forever at the end of games. You remember Ruffin playing the 5 and not doing anything to help the Wiz in the playoffs a few years ago vs the Cavs? Then he gets Songaila to go with Ruffin and they both play the 5 at critical stretches in the games last year of which many games were lost.

You play smallball when you've got no great size with skill, you replace that size with quickness/speed with the skills to compensate so you'd have some mismatches. Nelly and D'Antoni are great using this tactic, EJ is a big fake thinking he can play guys like Songaila and Ruffin in the same way.

BTW, if you're gonna sit Haywood for anextended time b/c of foul trouble, etc, you should at least play AB who on only played 18 minutes and had only 2 personal fouls. So what gives? This is why everyone is frustrated with EJ's coaching...

Posted by: Takin' a Wiz | November 27, 2007 10:20 AM

DCMan, what Wizard would the Cavs take in a sign and trade for Varejao, who I agree surely does bring energy? I am sure they would want Blatche but that's too high a price. Considering that they took Larry Hughes off our hands, maybe Songaila (who is actually a good fit for their half court offense) and the infamous Memphis pick.

Posted by: khrabb | November 27, 2007 10:15 AM


Except neither of those trades work (Blatche for Varejao OR Songaila for Varejao) salary wise, within the Collective Bargaining Agreement....
.

Posted by: Rook | November 27, 2007 10:23 AM

"Dallas would not have made that run at the 4:09 mark if EJ would have keep his starting five lineup in the game till the end or at least the 2:00 minute mark."

Speculation, pure and simple, born out of the same "I know better than the guys who get paid to do the job" fan dementia that results in people jumping like sharks on chum on any perceived sign of "imperfection."

They won a game against a team who's had their number for years, one of the best teams in the NBA, on the road, by double digits. Did Eddie game plan a perfect game? No, but name me the last coach he did.

From where I stand, it's hard to see much daylight between the Jordan-haters and DCMan and his creepy Arenas obsession. Actually, I take that back. There is one difference. DCMan seems, on some level, to know he's being a jerk and plays it for fun (his, if no one else's). The Jordan bashers seem not to have a clue.

Posted by: kalorama | November 27, 2007 10:30 AM

"What kind of confidence builder is EJ instilling, or much less relaying, to AB and Haywood when the other team is making a run and he does not put either one of them back in the game to stop it?"

Because, as we all know, no team has ever, ever made a run on the Wiz with Haywood or Blatche in the game, right?

Ye gods ...

Posted by: kalorama | November 27, 2007 10:32 AM

How about DC MAN88's mom for Varejao?

Posted by: | November 27, 2007 10:33 AM

Anon - that doesn't work salary wise.... His mom only charges $10 bucks....

Posted by: | November 27, 2007 10:36 AM

"The point some were making is his infatuation with smallball will continue to cost the Wiz."

Yeah, like it cost them the game against Dallas, right?

Posted by: kalorama | November 27, 2007 10:37 AM

What is hard to understand is why Haywood or Blatche isn't on the floor at all times. Like many of you, I love the tallball lineup with both of them in there. But at the very least outside of a minute here or a minute there, one of them should be on the floor. And also want to agree with the poster that wondered why Dominic McGuire wasn't on the floor near the end. And that is curious. With an 18-point lead with 4+ minutes to go, that is the time to get him out there and get him some experience.

Posted by: George Templeton | November 27, 2007 10:43 AM

regardless, irregardless we know im not educated.

Posted by: DC Man88 | November 27, 2007 10:44 AM

I don't hate EJ BUT it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that small ball is hurting the team. If you have AJ and DS on as 4 and 5, first you don't have shot blocking in there which is very enticing to a very quick PG (i.e. Barea, Lowry, Davis) and second it is a killer for the drive and kick play which is why team such as GS and MG was able to beat us. Then again it brings us back to what he has on the team which is a solid first 8 but after that is all nothing. Why on earth did Dallas ever acquired 3 very good PG (Harris, Terry and Barea). I mentioned it before and I will say it again...3 rookies in a team is asking for trouble. We should have kept 2 and the other one should have been traded for a veteran OR put in the D-league.

Posted by: Dave, | November 27, 2007 10:44 AM

In the last for minutes of the game, when Dallas was making their run, the Wizards failed to make any shots. Stevenson, Daniels, Butler, and Jamison all missed long jumpshots, some of them forced against the clock (until Daniels hit that last 3, when the game was pretty much over). The offense stalled and there was no ball movement. Rather than ripping Jordan yet another new one for failing to implement the fan's brilliant plan "all tall, all the time," is it possible that the players on the floor were at fault for not doing the job they were sent out to do do, namely putting the ball in the hole? Because if they had, there wouldn't have been any run.

Naah. That can't be it. It's gotta be Jordan's fault.

Posted by: kalorama | November 27, 2007 10:55 AM

Kalorama - Why do you think team put center in the team? They're not there just to take up space....they are put in to be the last line of DEFENSE. ARe you going to rely that on AJ or Songalia? AGain that is asking for trouble. Have you ever check AB's blocks per game?

Posted by: D | November 27, 2007 11:02 AM

regardless, irregardless we know im not educated.

Posted by: DC Man88 | November 27, 2007 10:44 AM

It's not educated - it's edu-ma-cated!

Posted by: | November 27, 2007 11:02 AM

Also funny how after we all watched McGuire play summer ball, we said he would be a great player with good defensive and rebounding instincts for the Wiz. Nick Young was super talented offensively but raw and turnover prone. A then now, who actually gets the minutes as rooks? The offensive guy, not the guy who can play defense, rebound, pass, and other intangibles.

As much as he talks of defense, he really doesn't believe it much. He is obsessed that all the answers lie in his system's offensive execution and all things being equal, that is the end all.

Sure sure, Arenas' injury has made the team lose some of its offensive punch and NY helps them so much in that respect, but McGuire can at least get some time to acclimate himself to the pro game. EJ just won't give him the PT cause offense is obviously more important to him than defense.

Posted by: | November 27, 2007 11:08 AM

"Why do you think team put center in the team?"

Depends on who the center is, what the team is, who the opponent is, and what the game plan is. Some are there for defense. Some are there for offense. Some are there for rebounding. Some are there for shotblocking. There is no hard and fast rule.

"They're not there just to take up space...."

Actually, quite a few of them in the NBA do just that.

And, none of that alters the fact that if the Wizards had been able to score some points, any points, in the last four minutes, they would have staved off Dallas's run.

Posted by: kalorama | November 27, 2007 11:09 AM

folks, don't take offense at kal el, he's a know it all who WILL NEVER admit he's wrong about anything. he's baaaaaaaccccccckkkkkk

Posted by: | November 27, 2007 11:13 AM

Varejao = 6'10" 240lbs. 6-ppg 6-rpg Long hair. Undersized center that brings energy and fire.

I wonder if he writes poetry?

Posted by: Rook | November 27, 2007 11:16 AM

RIP Sean Taylor......

I agree that Eddie Jordan does stupid things, like small ball, but we cant fire him, at least not now. A lot of the reason the team is wining without gilbert is because of his offensive mind.

Posted by: TROB | November 27, 2007 11:17 AM

"DCMan seems, on some level, to know he's being a jerk and plays it for fun (his, if no one else's).

Posted by: kalorama | November 27, 2007 10:30 AM "

I'm glad you noticed that, and it's easy to push the buttons of most of the imbeciles here.

But beyond all that, what people here can't handle is the truths about Gilby, and my predictions about Gilby that have come true. They can name call me all they want, but the facts remain the facts, and they never could dispute them.

Posted by: DC Man88 | November 27, 2007 11:18 AM

Great first we have DCidiot now we've got kal-idiot too! Trying desperately to make excuses for his flawed case.

Posted by: | November 27, 2007 11:19 AM

"

Varejao wants 10 Million a year.

Cleveland has already said they don't want to "take back inferior players just so Varejao can be overpaid."

Keep in mind: If Cleveland does a sign-and-trade, and signs him for $10 Million Dollars per year, the Wizards will have to trade like value in contracts.

Assuming that Cleveland is not STUPID, and would not trade for an injured player (Thomas, Arenas).....The trades that work, contract wise, are:
# Butler/Pecherov for Varejao

# Butler/Blatche for Varejao

# Daniels/Haywood for Varejao

# Songaila/Daniels for Varejao

# Blatche/McGuire/Pecherov/Songaila/Young for Varejao


So - DC Man88, which of THOSE deals would you do to get Varejao?


Posted by: Rook | November 27, 2007 10:12 AM "

To me, CBut is untouchable. Dude is too good, and rising.

I would trade AD & Opech though for Varejao. How about DS & Opech?

Posted by: DC Man88 | November 27, 2007 11:21 AM

"And, none of that alters the fact that if the Wizards had been able to score some points, any points, in the last four minutes, they would have staved off Dallas's run."

In short....just play O and no D :-)

What I'm saying is if BH or AB was there then "probably" some of the lay-ups were blocked and we shouldn't be in our edge of our seat when leading by 18 points in the last 4 minutes. Heck DAllas even took out their best players.

"Depends on who the center is, what the team is, who the opponent is, and what the game plan is. Some are there for defense. Some are there for offense. Some are there for rebounding. Some are there for shotblocking. There is no hard and fast rule."

Don't you think BH and/or AB don't do those?

Posted by: Dave | November 27, 2007 11:21 AM

"Great first we have DCidiot now we've got kal-idiot too! Trying desperately to make excuses for his flawed case.

Posted by: | November 27, 2007 11:19 AM "

The real idiot is the one who makes comments and throws darts without having a position of their own to stand by.

Posted by: DC Man88 | November 27, 2007 11:22 AM

"It was a good game! Although Wizards still let Barea penetrate like there was no one guarding him. The little guy played for less than 12 minutes and scored 15 points! (6 for 8 shooting, mostly lay-ups.)

Maybe it is because AD is tired, he played 41 minutes last night, more than Jamison. I think this speaks for getting another PG to back up AD. Someone mentioned that Brian Chase is only 5'11", and maybe a defense liability. But Barea is 1 inch taller at most, which makes it a closer match. In fact, Wizards this season have problem with small quick guard, so Chase may help to defend that. Of course the most important benefit is to spare AD for the long run (at least 3 months), and free up Mason to be a spot shooter. Mason does not shoot well when he has to handle the ball and cannot get his feet set.

Posted by: Sagaliba | November 27, 2007 10:04 AM "

The main problem with JJ Barea's penetration and scoring was that nobody on the team squashed him like a f'n bug when he drove to the basket. What would have happened if he tried to do that against the Pat Riley Knicks or the Pistons with Isiah?

I recall the previous game against Memphis where Lowry hammered CBut on the drive to the hole. CBut quickly turned around and was going to get some payback, but Lowry quickly walked away. Les BouleS are way too soft.

Posted by: DC Man88 | November 27, 2007 11:28 AM

And of course, the bevy of anon posters with nothing constructive to add...

About Varejao - the guy made a HUGE mistake turning down the Cav's qualifying offer. If he had accepted it, he would have become an unrestricted free agent at the end of the year.

Now, even if he goes overseas to play, he will STILL be a restricted free agent next year.

Posted by: Rook | November 27, 2007 11:28 AM

Great. Kal and Idiot teaming up. That's all we need.

Posted by: mark | November 27, 2007 11:31 AM

"About Varejao - the guy made a HUGE mistake turning down the Cav's qualifying offer. If he had accepted it, he would have become an unrestricted free agent at the end of the year.

Now, even if he goes overseas to play, he will STILL be a restricted free agent next year.

Posted by: Rook | November 27, 2007 11:28 AM "

Varejao made this decision based on pride. He's not like a typical greedy american only interested in the bottom dollar. He said many times that he felt insulted by Danny Ferry, and doesn't want to play for the Cavs. In the end, he will still make his money.

Posted by: DC Man88 | November 27, 2007 11:32 AM

"Great. Kal and Idiot teaming up. That's all we need.

Posted by: mark | November 27, 2007 11:31 AM "

Get a life moronic markie. Use your time wisely and keep making braniac statements like: "we have to outscore the other team to win."

I need a good laugh once in awhile and more reasons to say:

HALLELUJAHHHHHHHH!!!!!!

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

Posted by: DC Man88 | November 27, 2007 11:34 AM

Actually there is a difference between slurping and calling for the coach's head, Kal. The people calling for EJ to be fired are not just looking at this year, I don't think. He has a history of using questionable substitution patterns and of not using his bench players. I think it's too early to think about getting rid of him personally but it's something I'd give a long hard look at in the offseason. I hate smallball and think it'll lose more games than it wins. We won last night but at the end of the year, I'd be willing to bet you could attribute more losses to small ball than wins. We disagree on this probably and that's cool.
On another note, still don't understand why you'd even consider defending SLURP.

Posted by: mark | November 27, 2007 11:37 AM

glug...Gilbeeee

Posted by: mark | November 27, 2007 11:38 AM

I jump on EJ more than most on this blog and on other message boards, but I'm here to give him his props since Gilbert went down. He's done a nice job of getting the players to play together and stay focused and remain patient within the offense. His substitution patterns are improved. Still not great. But improved. I will mention that he may've lost the Golden State game when he subbed DeShawn back in with four minutes remaining for NY, despite the fact there was no need for a "defensive" player in that game. NY had been scoring easily, yet EJ sat him down. Then DeShawn promptly let Baron Davis drive right by him. But other than that faux pas, I think EJ has done a pretty good job. I can't really jump on him for much the past couple of weeks

I don't, however, agree with those of you who think Songaila is EJ's crutch. Songaila is adept at knocking down the 18-foot jump shots, and his passing skills from the high post are ridiculous. He's smooth from up there. He can do a lot of things well on the offensive end, and he has a great deal of talent, which is something that was in short supply for Ruffin.

Posted by: Colin | November 27, 2007 11:51 AM

Actually, quite a few of them in the NBA do just that.

And, none of that alters the fact that if the Wizards had been able to score some points, any points, in the last four minutes, they would have staved off Dallas's run.

Posted by: kalorama | November 27, 2007 11:09 AM

Kal - Did the unit that was in there with Haywood have trouble scoring points? No they did not. They had trouble scoring points when EJ inserted "slow smallball". You are telling me that is not Eddie's fault? The unit with Haywood was scoring points, right? 19 point lead i think...????

Dallas put in a ultra-quick rag tag unit that was able to run up and down the court full throttle. So wouldn't you think it is a dumb move to put out your slowest and least best rebounding team out against a unit like that??????? (coaching 101)

To add on to your arguement about EJ's slow smallball unit just didn't "put it in the hole" excuse, don't you think if you have all "jump shooters" in the game not hitting you would bring in AB who has low post moves and "tip in" ablities to get some "inside scoring opportuties"????

Now I could have said Eddie should have put Haywood back in there, but I am not because AB would have done the job there too. If EJ would have replaced Haywood with AB at that 4:02 mark and Dallas would have made a run, you would not have heard any complaints from any of us, I guarantee it.

You are hearing us, not because we are hating on Eddie and want him fired; but because of his ingame decisions he makes or fails to make that a small time AAU coach would know to make.

As for the DMac thing I agree with the posters on that too. You can not tell me you can not find a few minutes for someone whose forte is DEFENSE on the perimeter any minutes at all???? A 19 point lead and your starters are in, namely DS.

I think EJ saw that as an opportunity to "slide" his slow smallball unit in the game to validate his belief in them. EJ wants to prove that "slow smallball" works, so he figured it was safe to get them in there with 4 minutes left and a 19 point lead. Well guess what it backfired on him and put his dumb lineup on DISPLAY even more as being a joke lineup.

Instead of using that time to develop NY and mainly DMac (who gets no run), he instead chose to make a point about his "slow smallball" lineup. EJ is killing DMac's confidence, like he did AB's and Haywood's last year. EJ throw the boy a bone and tone down your fixation with Songalia (your new Ruffin/Etan) clone in smallball at the 5 spot.

Posted by: Bullets Fever #1 | November 27, 2007 11:51 AM

Oh, but Kal, EJ has made tons and tons of questionable decisions before this season. So yes, you can blame the players. That's obvious. They play the game. But you also need to look seriously at how EJ coaches, and it hasn't been great all the time. Nothing wrong with criticizing him. I was worried about the end of last night's game, too. Did the players screw up by not making shots? Or did EJ tell them to hold the ball until there were a couple of ticks left and then heave up a jumper? Seems to me they should've kept running through the offense. I don't know who decided what, though, so I won't blame EJ for the mini run Dallas put together. I'm just happy the Wizards got a win.

Posted by: Colin | November 27, 2007 12:07 PM

Bullets Fever, I can't agree with your criticism of Songaila because he does add another dimension to this team, notably his ability to knock down open jumpers, something AB has not proven he can do consistently yet, and his great passing from the high post, something you would never get from Haywood and AB. Now, I never think that Songaila and Jamison should be the 4 and 5 in a Wizards lineup. If Songaila is out there, EJ should also be playing AB or Haywood. But Songaila is not a crutch, and he is a valuable part of this team. When EJ asks him to play 5, though, he's put in a position to fail, really.

Posted by: Colin | November 27, 2007 12:10 PM

To me, CBut is untouchable. Dude is too good, and rising.

I would trade AD & Opech though for Varejao. How about DS & Opech?

Posted by: DC Man88 | November 27, 2007 11:21 AM


Neither of those trades work...Assuming Varejao sticks with his demand of $10Mil.

In my opinion, Cleveland made him a pretty generous offer of $6.5M per year for 5-years (with incentives to drive it to $8M or more per year) - and he REJECTED it. So it looks like he's holding out for his price of $10M.

Posted by: Rook | November 27, 2007 12:12 PM

Why the obsession with Varajeo? What does he truly give a team that's so valuable you'd be willing to trade a couple of players for him? OP hasn't even played in a game yet, so why trade him before you even get to see him play. (See JCN for more information.) Why would you trade AD considering he's the only PG you have right now? Why trade DS, your best high-post passer and a guy who can knock down an open 18-foot jump shot, something Varajeo can't do?

Posted by: Colin | November 27, 2007 12:15 PM

Colin - please don't take my posts incorrectly. I think a trade for Varejao would NOT be in the best interests of the Wizards.

He is essentially a clone of Etan Thomas - and I've never been a fan of his game. The last thing the Wizards need to do is hamstring the club with ANOTHER bad long term contract for a second string center.

Some other posters had asked if the Wiz should talk to Cleveland about Varejao. I just wanted to point out the futility of that, based on Varejao's insane contract demands.

If you look at the possibilities, trading for Varejao would gut the Wizards talent pool.

The ONLY trades that work are:


Butler/Pecherov for Varejao

Butler/Blatche for Varejao

Daniels/Haywood for Varejao

Songaila/Daniels for Varejao

Blatche/McGuire/Pecherov/Songaila/Young for Varejao

Posted by: Rook | November 27, 2007 12:26 PM

OK, Rook. I gotcha. I was just posing some questions anyway, though, to those who think Varajeo would be a good fit.

Posted by: Colin | November 27, 2007 12:29 PM

Colin - Yes you are right. I really like Songalia's game a lot at the "4" at not at the "5" where EJ keeps putting him. Songalia is great when he is playing the 4 with Haywood or AB, not when he is playing the 5 with AJ at the 4.

But I am going to have to disagree with you on Eddie not using Songalia as a crutch. With Etan and Ruffin taken away from him, he is unable to field that slow smallball unit he wants to put out there. So to satisfy his "fix" for the unit he inserts Songalia there.

Is this Songalia's fault he is put in a position where he is not at his best? Heck no. That is the coach. Now I am curious when OPec comes back, I want to see at the end of games will EJ leave THREE 7 footers on the bench while he tries to force Songalia to play that 5 spot.

Posted by: Bullets Fever #1 | November 27, 2007 12:30 PM

Actually, everyone.... I AM WRONG!!!

The Wizards CANNOT trade Blatche (or Stevenson OR Mason) - they are re-signed free agents and there is a trade restriction clause.

Cannot be traded for three months or until some time in January, or December???.... I don't remember...So that cuts down on the pool of potential trade candidates for Varejao.

Just wanted to say I WAS WRONG!
(I know it's sometimes hard to do - but I wanted to show everyone that it can be done)

Posted by: Rook | November 27, 2007 12:38 PM

Bullets Fever, I can agree with that sentiment because playing Songaila at the 5 is ridiculously stupid. When most teams play small ball, they play five fast guys who can shoot. Songaila can shoot, but he's definitely not fast. That much is true. But, I can't hate on EJ for using Songaila in general because I do think he's a nice piece for this team. Just stop playing him at 5.

Posted by: Colin | November 27, 2007 12:38 PM

Bullets Fever / Colin - I agree!

Posted by: Dave, | November 27, 2007 12:46 PM

I wanted Blatche in the game down the stretch. That being said, I'm with kal on this one. The wiz did not hit a single basket from the 4:01 mark unti Caron made the last shot of the game. That's why Dallas had a run, no counter-scoring from the wiz.

Posted by: 2cents4wiz | November 27, 2007 12:56 PM

This board has reach a new level of unreadable badness today.

Leave us not to make problems whence none exist? Must we?

Sign, we should trade caron and antawn and gilbert and Andray and Brendan and Etan and Olesky and Roger and Deshawn and Antonio and Nick and Darius and EJ and EG and Abe and washington and the keyboard

fooooooooooooor...

cheese, and a mixtape.


Posted by: greg | November 27, 2007 01:10 PM

Just wanted to say I WAS WRONG!
(I know it's sometimes hard to do - but I wanted to show everyone that it can be done)

Posted by: Rook | November 27, 2007 12:38 PM

Rook - I agree with you all the way on this statement. AMEN

Posted by: Bullets Fever #1 | November 27, 2007 01:14 PM

I wanted Blatche in the game down the stretch. That being said, I'm with kal on this one. The wiz did not hit a single basket from the 4:01 mark unti Caron made the last shot of the game. That's why Dallas had a run, no counter-scoring from the wiz.

Posted by: 2cents4wiz | November 27, 2007 12:56 PM

2 Cents - Along with no interior defense from the wiz because Eddie was playing slow smallball with Songalia at the 5 and AJ at the 4. The Wiz did not have to score that much with a 19 point lead and 4 minutes left in the game.

Granted I know this is the NBA and teams make runs, but this was Eddie's fault this run was made because we did not have one of our TWO centers in the game to contest the walkin layup drill Dallas was running on us while Songalia was in at the 5 spot.

Please tell me how you guys are not seeing this? Not scoring was not the real reason Dallas made that run, having the wrong personel on the floor was the reason for the run...........

Posted by: Bullets Fever #1 | November 27, 2007 01:25 PM

"On another note, still don't understand why you'd even consider defending SLURP.

Posted by: mark | November 27, 2007 11:37 AM

glug...Gilbeeee

Posted by: mark | November 27, 2007 11:38 AM "


Apparently, this is the only thing that mark's brain is able to come up with. Mark is like a retard playing with a piece of string for hours.

He probably maxed out both brain cells with that along wit

Posted by: Takin' a Wiz | November 27, 2007 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Good post, Takin' a Wiz. Short and to the point.

Posted by: Anonymous | November 27, 2007 4:00 PM | Report abuse

OK, I'm a big dummy! Sorry guys...

Posted by: Takin' a Wiz | November 27, 2007 4:05 PM | Report abuse

What I meant to say was to quote BBmoreRev and that he was exactly on point, but I really made a mess of things...

EJ overall is doing a pretty good job and better than most in Washington's history, but as fans, we are entitled to point out weaknesses that are pretty obvious to many of us for 3+ seasons.

We've seen what great coaching around the league can do and sometimes when we criticize, we are somewhat hoping he'd learn from those other coaches as other coaches say they've learned from his offensive sets.

As most other leagues, it is a copycat league, but you have to realize what works to copy and vice versa. The question is if EJ knows which is which.

Posted by: Takin' a Wiz | November 27, 2007 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Takin' a Wiz, there is a Preview button, you know.... (grin)

Posted by: Rook | November 27, 2007 4:23 PM | Report abuse

I'm hoping that Eddie will play more tallball once Pech is back. There is a legitimate argument to be made that both BTH and AB are foul prone, and playing them together would leave them dangerously thin if they picked up some fouls.

Posted by: Keithinator | November 27, 2007 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Takin' a Wiz ... I don't know if EJ knows how to copy, but you sure don't.

But then again, maybe you do, obviously ou over-did it!!!

Posted by: 2cent4wiz | November 27, 2007 4:29 PM | Report abuse

C'mon ... celebrate the win. Maybe you'll get to see more TallBall against San Antonio. Hey ... I like tall ball, too.

Posted by: 2cents4wiz | November 27, 2007 02:09 PM

2Cents - I will give it a try....... Maybe EJ will redeem himself Wednesday by not using "slow smallball" and then even if they lose you won't hear me complaining then. Go Wizards.......

Posted by: Bullets Fever #1 | November 27, 2007 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Hey Keithinator, I don't agree with a lot of things you say, but I'm with you on those gold uniforms. They look much better than those dull blue the wiz wear. I love 'em.

Posted by: 2cents4wiz | November 27, 2007 4:32 PM | Report abuse

The improvement in Caron Butler's catch and shoot game has been really making him tough to guard. Like Charles Barkley back in his Suns days, Butler's expanded range is going to pull his defender away from the basket.

Next you'll see Tough Juice start to blow by the first defender and then that midrange game will really come into play. But where this helps the whole team is that with the addeded range guys can't sit back and wait for him to dribble then shoot.

In time the other guys will start to get alot more open looks as teams adjust to having to get up in Butler's face away from the hoop. Young in particular will love the open lanes it will give him.

B-Rev, as always I agree with many of your points. Eddie seems to be a coach that really beleives in his offensive system and isn't as concerned with matchups. That carries over to defense since many times he's more concerned about the guys he has out there to run the O then what kind of defensive matchups he has on the floor.

88'er stumbled accross a good point earlier today. He does that sometimes inspite of himself. How many really complete players are there in the whole NBA? Not many.

So we can all sit here and nitpick many of these guys, but everytime a coach puts a lineup out there he's giving up something at one end of the court or the other.

What bedevils me sometimes with Eddie is that he'll let a guy like Navarro kill the Wizards while he never attacks him at the other end.

Offensive balance and ball movement are great and it's hard to attack a player without the rest of your team starting to stand around. But I watch alot of NBA games and sometimes I swear we're the only team that doesn't attack a guy to force him off the floor.

But 88'er come on, Side Show Bob a Wizard? For all the guys that are critizing Songalia, and he's not perfect, but he's a better player then that flop Artist. and costs a whole lot less money.

Even at 6.5m that Cleveland offered he's completly overpriced for what he does and would end up being a bad contract. And he won't get that money in Europe or South America. Rook's right, he blew it, he should have played for the qualifying offer.

I'll give 88'er one thing he puts alot of time in coming up with one roster move after another. But really, what would we send to Cleveland to make it worth their while to go into luxury tax territory to sign and trade Side Show Bob? There's not one deal out there that would make a wit of sense for either team.

Last night late was just another example of the kind of guy that always has given the Wizards fits in spurts. Daniels just can't stay in front of those really quick points and the Wiz don't have another guy on the roster that can either.

Oh and Rook I looked at the schedule wrong, you're right the Suns should be rested by Dec. 7th.

Posted by: GM | November 27, 2007 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Freedom, keep in mind that Songaila wasn't guarding him most of the game. Also, Ivan said good position defense. That doesn't mean he stopped Dirk on every position. It just means he made it more difficult for Dirk. There's no way Songaila is going to stop Nowitzki, but playing good position defense is the least a player can do. Songaila did just that.

Posted by: Colin | November 27, 2007 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Finesse players like Nowitzki don't like it when a defensive player bodies them up and that's what Songaila did last night. Luckily Songaila also played him quite well using his positioning, like Ivan said, so that Nowitzki couldn't drive on him so easily and that's why that defense was quite effective.

Posted by: Takin' a Wiz | November 27, 2007 4:46 PM | Report abuse

No disrespect to BBmorerev, but I completely disagree with his argument that the Wiz can't get to the next level with EJ as coach. Whether they get to the next level or not will be determined by the extent of the players' collective and individual commitment to playing defense. I think they're finally coming around to seeing that, especially AB and Haywood. AB is really blossoming as a shot blocker, an on-ball defender and a guy who's going to get a lot of deflections and steals. McGuire has looked a bit overmatched on D in his brief appearances so far, but give him some time--he's going to turn into a perimeter stopper, once he learns not to go for jab steps and pump fakes. He definitely has the physical ability and desire to be outstanding on D.

Posted by: John Brisker | November 27, 2007 4:57 PM | Report abuse

GM said: "Last night late was just another example of the kind of guy that always has given the Wizards fits in spurts. Daniels just can't stay in front of those really quick points and the Wiz don't have another guy on the roster that can either."

I don't think Antonio can stay in front of many guys late in the 4th quarter, after playing most of the game (40+ minutes). That's just too much to expect at his age. But what can the wiz do? Like you said, there's nobody else on the roster ( and there won't be until late Jan or Feb ).

Posted by: 2cents4wiz | November 27, 2007 5:17 PM | Report abuse

"Dallas scored 10 unanswered points. The wiz missed 8 straight shots during that stretch. If they had hit at least 3 of them, no one would be complaining because it would have never gotten under 12 points. Dallas made a run. Wiz couldn't make a defensive stop ( which is why I would have liked Blatche or Haywood in the game), but I can't blame the coach because his team could buy a bucket, especially, when said team still won by 12 points, under-manned, against a very good, quality opponent, on the road."

Finally, a man of reason. Thank you, 2cents4wiz.

"I don't find gratitude when the wiz almost win. So I'm certainly not going to fret over them almost losing (which really didn't happen this time)."

Quite possibly the wisest thing that's been posted here in weeks.

Posted by: kalorama | November 27, 2007 5:25 PM | Report abuse

About whether Jordan can take the Wizards to the next level ... It wouldn't actually surprise me if, when this current core does win a title (if they ever do), Jordan is no longer coach. Not because he's not capable, but because the shelf life of an NBA coach is generally pretty short and Jordan's natural expiration date may be coming up.

Chuck Daly used to say that even under good circumstances teams started tuning the coach out after a few years. When that happens, it's usually time to bring in a new voice. Jordan is already the longest tenured coach in the Eastern Conference. Depending on how long it takes for the team to make the leap, he may just reach the end of his road with the Wiz before it happens.

Posted by: kalorama | November 27, 2007 5:38 PM | Report abuse

"But 88'er come on, Side Show Bob a Wizard? For all the guys that are critizing Songalia, and he's not perfect, but he's a better player then that flop Artist. and costs a whole lot less money."

Truer words, GM ...

Varejo is a hustle artist. He's a damn good hustle artist, but you don't pay upwards of $9 mill a year for a guy like that. It's not like he's ever shown any inkling of the kind of ability in a specific skill area that might one day develop into all-star level quality.

Posted by: kalorama | November 27, 2007 5:47 PM | Report abuse

For those players playing at least 10% of the team's minutes, Caron ranks near the top of the league based on the Roland rating at 82games.com

Lebron James 19.9
Ginobili 19.5
Garnett 18.0
Dwight Howard 14.9
Chris Paul 14.2
Caron 14.0
McGrady 14.0

He also is showing great leadership skills. If the Wiz make the playoffs without Gilbert, Caron could be considered for league MVP (albeit it will be near impossible for him to win it).

Posted by: Izman | November 27, 2007 5:59 PM | Report abuse

Kal,

Still waiting for you to explain how criticism of Eddie equates to hate. You threw the charge out, now defend it.

Posted by: Keithinator | November 27, 2007 6:04 PM | Report abuse

GM totally reminded me.

Nick yoiung had his number called on three straight plays, normally that would have been gilbert and peeps woulda been 'how come gilby shoots so much'

but... it was a coaching decision and a good one. Juan Barrea (spelling?) got in the game and he was hot, but EJ says, OK, here is the deal Juan you can't keep up with a speed guy, if you want to trade shot for shot. Those three possessions, made Dallas readjust, and essentially ended the game.

Now, does anyone here think that Dallas doesn't make a run on any team in the NBA? Dallas has good players, it was going to happen, and Dirk is going to get his points. Not too many people shut Dirk down consistently, I thought we played a good game, and had good effort, and cripes... If BH and AB didn't play a lot together in that game, it seems like we handled it ok, maybe they will be rested up for the next game. BH came out with us up 19, EJ knows we don't need to win by 50, 1point is all it takes, and when you are on an important road trip saving your teams legs is NOT a bad thing. But boo birds boo, that's just what they do, do.

I ain't calling it hate, EJ made an unconventional call last night, and we won the game. Save your yammerings for a night when we lose to JCN, then join your choir, mix the packet of kool-aide into your britta and go to town...

Joyful joyful.

RIP 21, I hope your family can find some peace this holiday season.

Posted by: greg | November 27, 2007 6:24 PM | Report abuse

Keith, I happen to like a lot of your posts... why not...

But seriously, let it go, what are you going to accomplish 'calling someone out'.

I think Kal was responding to the negativity that seemed to fester following last nights unexpected but hopefully welcome win.

I mean, we all love the wiz don't we?
I do. Go Wiz! Beat the spurs!

PS, if AD gets hurt we are bitten.

Posted by: greg | November 27, 2007 6:28 PM | Report abuse

We definitely dont need another player like Varejo. Darius is a good player, the problem is he can't jump. Watch him the next time he's in the game. If ANYONE (shorter or taller) is on him, he's not getting the rebound. If we could somehow get a backup point guard who can drive and dish, I thinkn the team will be in great shape. Tough spurs team tomorrow, but I'm sure we'll continue to play team basketball and pull out a win. Go Wiz

Posted by: TROB | November 27, 2007 7:41 PM | Report abuse

HALLELUJAHHHHHHHH!!!!!!

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | November 27, 2007 7:55 PM | Report abuse

Greg,

I see your point. What rankles me is Kal's insufferable ego. He comes on here and pronounces like he's at the top of Mt. Olympus, deigning to speak to the mortals. He has, to my knowledge, never admitted to being wrong on these boards. And it bugs me no end when people play the "hater" card just because others disagree with their opinions. He has given no evidence to support his assertion. He has given none, of course, because he has none. There is no discussion with Kal; he'll be happy to point out your errors, but he will never, EVER, admit to not being the smartest guy in the room.

Posted by: Keithinator | November 27, 2007 8:09 PM | Report abuse

When of course we know the smartest guy in the room is

Posted by: Anonymous | November 27, 2007 8:14 PM | Report abuse

DC Man88?

Posted by: Anonymous | November 27, 2007 8:44 PM | Report abuse

Someone ask for me?

Posted by: Smartest Guy in the Room | November 27, 2007 9:23 PM | Report abuse

If BH and AB didn't play a lot together in that game, it seems like we handled it ok, maybe they will be rested up for the next game. BH came out with us up 19, EJ knows we don't need to win by 50, 1point is all it takes, and when you are on an important road trip saving your teams legs is NOT a bad thing. But boo birds boo, that's just what they do, do.

Posted by: greg | November 27, 2007 06:24 PM

Greg - No disrespect, if Eddie was trying to save his team's "legs", why were all the starters in except for Haywood with a 19 point lead? If anything AJ and CB should be the ones have their legs rested, due to all the minutes they log.

Haywood's 5 fouls did not mean anything with 4 minutes left and if he fouled out AB was there. Oops I forgot it was slow smallball time for Eddie, so AB was not getting in the game, nor DMac.

This is the point I am trying to explain to you and Kal. I am glad they won the game and I am a true Bullets/Wizards fan. Just because I notice a constant theme with some of Eddie's coaching does not mean I am hating on him.

I am one to believe he can take us to the next level and I do not want him fired, however the dude needs to bury that small ball lineup featuring Songalia at the 5 and AJ at the 4 at once. That will be the thing that costs him his job, bet on it.

Lastly Haywood, AB, or OPEC (when he is healthy) should be on the floor at all times, either by themselves or two out of the three together sometimes (end of 2nd quarters and 4th quarters). That 4:00 minute mark up 19 points could have been given to DMac, NY, and AB to gain valuable experience. It is called developing your young core.

Posted by: Bullets Fever #1 | November 27, 2007 9:35 PM | Report abuse

So does the game against Dallas represent a return to playing some defense by the Wiz or did they just hit Dallas on a bad shooting night (

Posted by: Anonymous | November 27, 2007 9:36 PM | Report abuse

i.e. ?

Posted by: Anonymous | November 27, 2007 9:38 PM | Report abuse

"What rankles me is Kal's insufferable ego. He comes on here and pronounces like he's at the top of Mt. Olympus, deigning to speak to the mortals."

I take a moment to savor the bouquet of irony and hypocrisy at being called "arrogant" by someone who's never played in or coached an NBA game in his life yet leaps like a hungry tiger on every opportunity to tell anyone who wants to listen (and many more who don't) that he knows, without question, so much better than the highly paid professionals with decades of experience how the job is done.

To actually make such a claim, not only with a straight face, but with such an obvious air of self-righteous indignation is a pretty clear sign that you lack even the barest hint of self-awareness and self-reflection.

Get over yourself. Or, barring that unlikely event, go away.

Posted by: kalorama | November 27, 2007 9:39 PM | Report abuse

I think EJ wanted to be sure got the win and kept the vets in at the end.

Posted by: Tim | November 27, 2007 9:39 PM | Report abuse

In any event, I am asking the board did the Wizards get back to playing at least some defense last night with Dallas shooting less than 40%.

I think playing defense could be an improtant key to the Wizards success this year.

Posted by: Anonymous | November 27, 2007 9:48 PM | Report abuse

"We definitely dont need another player like Varejo. Darius is a good player, the problem is he can't jump. Watch him the next time he's in the game. If ANYONE (shorter or taller) is on him, he's not getting the rebound. If we could somehow get a backup point guard who can drive and dish, I thinkn the team will be in great shape. Tough spurs team tomorrow, but I'm sure we'll continue to play team basketball and pull out a win. Go Wiz

Posted by: TROB | November 27, 2007 07:41 PM "

We may or may not need a player like Varejao, but I threw his name out there b/c he's available, and wants out of Cleveland. Varejao did well against Les BouleS last year, and during the playoffs.

Even if we don't need or don't want Varejao, we need someone. Status quo and "hold the fort" isn't going to cut the mustard. Les BouleS are down to 10 players, and it's sad that ownership is unwilling to budge to try to make this team better.

The more minutes that these guys spend on the court, the greater the chance they will burn out. And, when that wear and tear starts getting to them, they will get injured much more easily. Bank on that.

Posted by: DC Man88 | November 27, 2007 9:52 PM | Report abuse

What rankles me is Kal's insufferable ego.

Keith,

I know you are kidding, your EGO is plastered all over this blog. It is a wonder some NBA team has not already hired you to run their team...I forgot, you are a legend in your own mind.

Posted by: Anonymous | November 27, 2007 10:01 PM | Report abuse

We may or may not need a player like Varejao, but I threw his name out there b/c he's available, .....

Posted by: DC Man88 | November 27, 2007 09:52 PM

But just "throwing" names out there makes no sense if you don't think about the potential ramifications to the team, salary cap implications, Collective Bargaining Agreement rules, and other important issues.

Otherwise, it's just random drivel.

Like: "I think we should trade Rodger Mason to Cleveland for Lebron James".

It has nothing to do with not "needing or wanting" Varejao.... It has to do with CAN IT ACTUALLY GET DONE !?!

In the case of Verejao, definately not.

I do think that the Wizards need to add some bodies, if nothing else, to have enough personnel to practice with. Unfortunately, Salary Cap rules restrict what they can do. A TEAM NEEDS A SALARY CAP EXCEPTION TO ADD A PLAYER IF THEY ARE OVER THE CAP (which the Wizards are)...The only exception available to the Wizards right now is the MINIMUM SALARY EXCEPTION - Meaning, they can add a player at the CBA listed Minimum Salary.

So, instead of looking for players like Verejao, I'm sure that EG is looking at someone like Chase (if he's still available), or D-League players that can be signed to a Minimum Salary contract.

The only other option is to wait until January, when they can sign players to 10-day contracts.

Posted by: Rook | November 27, 2007 10:43 PM | Report abuse

But just "throwing" names out there makes no sense if you don't think about the potential ramifications to the team, salary cap implications, Collective Bargaining Agreement rules, and other important issues.

Otherwise, it's just random drivel.

-
Rookie,

All we do here is fantasy drivel, so "just" throwing out a name is consistent with the entertainment that is this blog. Please, let's not mess it up with your ego and self-importance. Bring on the trade ideas!

Posted by: Anonymous | November 28, 2007 2:09 AM | Report abuse

yeah, i hope the improved defense sticks around.

in the NBA sometimes you hit a hot team, it's going to happen, but i think even with some of the known liabilities if we stay with the team D, we can play with about anybody.
-g

Posted by: greg | November 28, 2007 6:17 AM | Report abuse

I think I've finally figured this blog out:

When the Wiz lose, people spew venom, mostly at EJ.

When the Wiz win, people spew venom, mostly at each other.

Venom is it going to end?

Posted by: Mitch | November 28, 2007 7:05 AM | Report abuse

Nope. Brain cells aren't maxed out. Sorry, Wiz. I'm actually a software engineer. I just enjoy getting under idiot's skin every once in a while.
Mitch, the venom will never end. I only take shots at people who've taken them at me and even that is rare. As for EJ, until we get into the playoofs and win a series or two, I don't think he'll get any peace. It's the nature of the relationship between coachs and fans, I think. They're always open to being second guessed.

Posted by: mark | November 28, 2007 7:45 AM | Report abuse

"He probably maxed out both brain cells with that along wit"

BTW, how many brain cells did it take to complete this gem of a sentence?

Take it easy, big fella. My quarrel is with the idiot, not you.

Posted by: mark | November 28, 2007 7:47 AM | Report abuse

Rook makes a good point, what the Wiz have to work with right now is the Veteran's Minimium Exception. And if I understand the CBE correctly we can use it once.

We can't bring in a guy, cut him and bring in another. The veteran guys that are out there like Gary Payton, PJ Brown, etc... that are "retired" but still unofficially kicking the tires, are only going to jump on board for what they think is a long playoff ride. They're also looking for a team that might have a pretty defined role for them.

They're not going to be around to provide "practice bodies". There are some young vets floating around and some guys in the D league that could be had. But has anyone's name come up that is really worth using the Vet's Min. on yet?

Rook's right, D league guys can be had by the dozens come Jan. on 10 day contracts. The Wiz can bring one in for 10 days for a look and then try another if they'd like.
If we have roster slots we can bring two in at a time.

Also in January there's useally some guys that get cut from teams because they don't want to qaurentee their salary for the year. So there will be some names that pop up then who might be some help.

Talking about guys that are available that the Wizards could possibly afford is just that, attempting as fans to have an intelligent conversation. People in Sports Bars do it all the time. But some get drunk and just want talk out of of their Ass.

Guys like Gerry MacNamarra might be worth a look on a 10 day deal later. But it's my guess right now Ernie's going to see if he can wait this thing out. If he uses the Veteran's Min. right now on a point guard, and next week Haywood goes down he might have a more glaring need for a frontline guy and no move left til January.

But bringing up guys that want 10m a year and are sitting out. Go to a Sports Bar and drink up...

Posted by: GM | November 28, 2007 8:09 AM | Report abuse

"But bringing up guys that want 10m a year and are sitting out. Go to a Sports Bar and drink up...

Posted by: GM | November 28, 2007 08:09 AM "

That's what really sad about this blog. Instead of coming up with ideas and having a discussion, which is the purpose of a blog, people like GM and others rather just sit back on their throne and not only poo poo ideas and suggestions, but worse, they try to belittle others in the meantime.

Save your anger and frustration for real idiots who have personal agendas that clash with the team and hurt their team. That's probably enough to drive you to drink.

Posted by: DC Man88 | November 28, 2007 8:47 AM | Report abuse

"Nope. Brain cells aren't maxed out. Sorry, Wiz. I'm actually a software engineer. I just enjoy getting under idiot's skin every once in a while."

If all you can come up with is "glub glub gilby," then you've got a long, long way to get under my skin. Don't flatter yourself.

"Mitch, the venom will never end. I only take shots at people who've taken them at me and even that is rare.

Posted by: mark | November 28, 2007 07:45 AM "

BTW, I couldn't care less who you are, so why would I bother taking shots at you? My focus has been discussing the positives of Les BouleS, exposing Les BouleS for it's flaws, and exposing Gilby for the fraud that he is.

Obviously that has bothered you, but if you consider that a "shot at you," then that's really your personal problem, not mine.

Posted by: DC Man88 | November 28, 2007 8:51 AM | Report abuse

I'm taking the advice of the ppl that are here for the right reasons and ignoring 'idiocy' again.
Go Wizards !

Posted by: mark | November 28, 2007 9:12 AM | Report abuse

"But just "throwing" names out there makes no sense if you don't think about the potential ramifications to the team, salary cap implications, Collective Bargaining Agreement rules, and other important issues.

Otherwise, it's just random drivel.

Like: "I think we should trade Rodger Mason to Cleveland for Lebron James".

Posted by: Rook | November 27, 2007 10:43 PM "


It's a good thing you're not the GM of Les BouleS or any professional franchise b/c otherwise, nothing will get done because no ideas would be discussed. Nothing is impossible in this league for players that are not considered untouchable.

Who is untouchable on Les BouleS for a trade? Probably only CBut. Your problem is that you have too many preconceived notions and limitations in your head that things can't get done.

I'm not a GM, and neither are you, but deals start with GM's talking to other GM's about which players can help their teams. From there, an assessment is made on the impact or possibility of making a deal for that player. Many times, multiple teams get involved to make things happen.

This is the case here where I brought up a player who's available. If it's determined that he's not viable contractually, then obviously no deal will go forward. Duh. That's how the process works, you consider players, and then do your homework on whether it's doable....despite you considering it "drivel."

Did I say "can we get Varejao for Mason?" Uhhh, no.

Did I say "can we get Varejao for Gilby and AJ and CBut?" Uhhh, no.

Therefore, please don't sensationalize your argument by comparing my question of "can Varejao help Les BouleS" to your attempt at an analogy with "let's trade mason for Lebron."

That's just dumb.

Posted by: DC Man88 | November 28, 2007 9:14 AM | Report abuse

"

I'm taking the advice of the ppl that are here for the right reasons and ignoring 'idiocy' again.
Go Wizards !

Posted by: mark | November 28, 2007 09:12 AM "

Yeah, how long will that last? Oohh, you're getting under my skin!

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

Posted by: DC Man88 | November 28, 2007 9:16 AM | Report abuse

Some thoughts for tonght:
1. tall ball, force SA to shoot 3s with arms up in the air
2. tough defense on Duncan, like Jamison, Songaila, Blatche, Haywood did on Nowitzki, except Duncan is not as "soft" as Nowitzki, his elbows are sharper! Songaila jabbing him in the back won't annoy him as much as it did Nowitzki
3. put Stevenson on Parker the whole night as his sole job, and when he gets tired bring in McGuire to stop Parker
4. Nick Young & Antonio Daniels to penetrate, shoot jumpers and make shambles of their defense
5. Unleash Tough Juice!

Posted by: rgz | November 28, 2007 9:35 AM | Report abuse

Venom will go on as long as there are genuises sharing a small room. You make a comment/opinion on something and the next thing you know it WW III. I don't think anybody here is working from Wiz Management so I believe whatever we post are mere speculation, theory, assumption or whatever you call it.

BTW, JCN had another good game last night. I can just imagine if we have him in our roster.

Posted by: Dave | November 28, 2007 10:00 AM | Report abuse

Can you believe it? JCN had a bad shooting night (4-12), but ended up with 16 pts, 11 rebs, and 4 assists. He started.

Posted by: DC Man88 | November 28, 2007 10:20 AM | Report abuse

DC Man88 - I apologize if you took my post as an insult or as demeaning your idea. Perhaps "drivel" was too strong a word?

My point was only that talking about fantasy trades is nice - but at some point the Wizards are going to have to do something real..

And that means finding a player or making a deal that:
1. Will help the club
2. Makes sure they can obtain that player within the rules set by the League and the CBA.

DC Man88 - your original post seemed to indicate that you think the Wizards should be talking to Cleveland about a sign-and-trade deal for Varejao.

A sign-and-trade deal for Varejao is NOT impossible. Assuming that Varejao would sign for around $8 - $10 Million per year (his asking price is $10 Million), the potential deals, that work under the current Collective Bargaining Agreement, are as follows:

  • Butler/Pecherov for Varejao

  • Daniels/Haywood for Varejao

  • Songaila/Daniels for Varejao
  • So, back to my original question: "Which of THOSE deals would you do to get Varejao?"

    Better yet....I'll go first and put my opinion out there.

    We don't need Varejao. I also don't think the Wizards can afford to wait until January when they can sign players to 10-day contracts.

    Instead, I think the Wizards should sign Chase. He would fill several needs, as well as fit within the rules:
    1. He would be a "true" backup point guard
    2. He would be able to stick with the smaller quicker guards in the League that give the Wizards fits.
    3. He already knows at least some of the Wizards offensive system from Summer League.
    4. He can be had cheap; probably for the Rookie Minimum Salary.
    5. The Wizards can use the MINIMUM SALARY EXEMPTION to legally sign him to an NBA contract.
    6. If Arenas comes back this year, he can be moved to the end of the bench as the 3rd point guard without releasing anyone.

    Anyone know if Chase is still available?

    Responses and comments welcome.

    Posted by: Rook | November 28, 2007 10:38 AM | Report abuse

    The only thing palatable from your trade scenarios would be songaila/ad for Varejao. Given that, multiple other teams can be involved to make a deal to fill Les BouleS needs, not just a transaction between two teams.

    My point was to put that out as a discussion point. I never got on a pedestal and proclaimed that it was a nobrainer that we needed Varejao or whether he deserved whatever money.

    Looking at Les BouleS roster, we have plenty of guards, but are lacking in size and depth at the center. I think Les Boules medical staff and EG let the team down by not knowing and preparing beforehand for ET and Gilby's absence. Now, their hands are tied with the salary cap and an owner who's not going to go above and beyond to win.

    If DMac isn't going to get any PT, and since he's only 6-8, they may need to dangle him out there to get a more solid PG or big man.

    Posted by: DC Man88 | November 28, 2007 10:53 AM | Report abuse

    The Wizards aren't thinking about the salary cap. The concern is the luxury tax. They only have a couple of $100,000's to play with before going over the tax limit. The luxury tax is a hard cap- there are no exemptions except in very, very special cases.

    We're going to have have to manage with the players we have.

    Posted by: TC | November 28, 2007 10:58 AM | Report abuse

    CJ Watson is available as 6'2" point guard, he's in the NBDL now, was drafted 5th in the first round. He played for two teams last year in the Euro leagues after playing for the Vols.

    Posted by: rgz | November 28, 2007 11:02 AM | Report abuse

    Forgive my ignorance but isn't that we have a "special" cap available cause of Etan's medical problem? Can we use it to acquire a legit back-up PG not one that is playing on a league overseas.

    Posted by: Dave | November 28, 2007 11:26 AM | Report abuse

    "Forgive my ignorance but isn't that we have a "special" cap available cause of Etan's medical problem? Can we use it to acquire a legit back-up PG not one that is playing on a league overseas.

    Posted by: Dave | November 28, 2007 11:26 AM "

    Ivan wrote about this awhile ago. Les BouleS can make this request, but they aren't going to.

    They're going to keep ET on the roster, and don't want to exercise that option which would still mean spending more money.

    Posted by: DC Man88 | November 28, 2007 11:29 AM | Report abuse

    Trade AD and Songaila? for sideshow bob? Get out of here! Why don't the Wiz just walk the Cavs to the NBA Finals...

    Why have the Wiz not signed Earl Boykins yet? Declare Etan out for the season and get and exemption for half of his salary. It would be the only good thing to ever come from overpaying him in the first place.

    As for Chase, Miles and Watson - the Wiz already have one Roger Mason wasting a roster spot - they do not need a second.

    Posted by: ATLwizFAN | November 28, 2007 11:38 AM | Report abuse

    Here's one important detail to note, so get ready all you Gilby lovers.

    Early in the season, Gilby bragged that "they call me a shoot first guard, which other guard out there has two other players on the team that average over 20 pts? Both Caron and AJ are all stars now....."

    Now, everyone has probably noted, but not said, that even with Gilby OUT OF THE GAME, both AJ and especially Caron have proven to be excelling without Gilby in the lineup.

    So, all this BS talk about how Gilby makes his teammates better and this and that, well, the results of late have shown that these other players are able to thrive very well even with Gilby out of the lineup. Gilby is a great an important player, but he's not the glue that holds this team together, and this is not a team that relies on a single overpaid "franchise player" in order to thrive.

    Thank you.

    Posted by: DC Man88 | November 28, 2007 11:45 AM | Report abuse

    "Trade AD and Songaila? for sideshow bob? Get out of here! Why don't the Wiz just walk the Cavs to the NBA Finals...


    Posted by: ATLwizFAN | November 28, 2007 11:38 AM "

    "Sideshow Bob's" team went the the NBA finals last year. How far did AD and Songaila's team go?

    Posted by: DC Man88 | November 28, 2007 11:46 AM | Report abuse

    Looking at Les BouleS roster, we have plenty of guards, but are lacking in size and depth at the center.

    Posted by: DC Man88 | November 28, 2007 10:53 AM

    Again, this is just my opinion, but I disagree that the wizards need another big man. Especially anyone 6'10" or smaller. On the other had, if there's a 7ft Center out there we can get for McGuire, I say go for it!!! Otherwise:

    I think that Haywood and Blatche (both 7ft, or close to it) can do an adequate, if not spectacular, job at Center. Pecherov (also 7ft) should be considered the 3rd center once he is healthy.

    I think the Wizards have a bevy of talent at the Forward spot, with Butler, Jamison, Songaila, Pecherov and McGuire; and two of those all-star caliber players getting most of the minutes.

    And also I think they are fine at the shooting Guard spot, with Stevenson, Young and Mason. Especially with the recent development of Young.

    On the other hand, they are woefully short on Point Guards - with Antonio Daniels being the ONLY one on the roster healthy enough to perform (assuming you count Arenas as a "point" guard).

    It's not like the Wizards are being out-rebounded every game (the Wiz are currently third in the East in rebounding); Or that their Centers have difficulties with Foul trouble (Neither Haywood nor Blatche has fouled out this year, and neither has come close, with the exception of Haywood in the last game - but then Blatche only had 2).

    The Wizards do have difficulties in bringing the ball up against the press when Daniels is not in the game. They always have difficulties staying in front of smaller, quicker guards (usually the opponent's point guard). Antonio Daniels cannot continue to play all the minutes. Options to spell Daniels currently are Roger Mason and Stevenson, who I don't consider point guards; and neither of whom has shown that they can handle the ball against pressure.

    Therefore my opinion is that the Wizards should sign an inexpensive backup "pass-first" point guard.... Regardless if it puts them over the Luxury Tax.

    I don't think it would be wise to go over the Luxury Tax to sign a marginal big man who will not get any playing time unless there are multiple injuries.... I DO think that going over the Luxury Tax to sign even a "marginal" point guard is the better idea.

    Posted by: Rook | November 28, 2007 11:53 AM | Report abuse

    "Therefore my opinion is that the Wizards should sign an inexpensive backup "pass-first" point guard.... Regardless if it puts them over the Luxury Tax.

    I don't think it would be wise to go over the Luxury Tax to sign a marginal big man who will not get any playing time unless there are multiple injuries.... I DO think that going over the Luxury Tax to sign even a "marginal" point guard is the better idea.

    Posted by: Rook | November 28, 2007 11:53 AM "

    Nevermind sign a guard. How about just bringing in some bodies and working them out at VC to figure out if they can help the team. Abe won't even do that. These players on the team now are logging heavy minutes which increases the likelihood that they will get hurt.

    I suggested a player like GMac, to bring in to work out, who's got a lot of college championship experience, can shoot, but is moreso a pass first guard, but I got raked over the coals for suggesting a player who never got drafted, by some people who didn't have any better suggestions.

    JJ Barea wasn't drafted, and he's doing well given the chance. It just boggles my mind that Les BouleS won't even go there (bringing in people to work out) b/c they don't want to go over the lux tax limit. It's BS like this from ownership that discourages people from being true diehard fans to this team.

    Posted by: DC Man88 | November 28, 2007 12:27 PM | Report abuse

    Happy to hear the Wizards are coming together after the injury of Arenas (he will come back stronger next year).
    With Butler, Jamison and Blatche, I still think the Wizards can make a run for it. This tough road trip will be a real test.

    Still can't focus on basketball though, still saddened over Sean Taylor's death...

    Posted by: spf | November 28, 2007 12:32 PM | Report abuse

    I believe the Wizards are so close to the luxury tax limit that even a minimum contract for a player with zero NBA experience would put them over the line.

    Therefore the only way to get more healthy bodies without paying the luxury tax is through a trade.

    Posted by: TC | November 28, 2007 12:42 PM | Report abuse

    A quote from Marty Burns on SI's site...

    "The Wizards are toast. Unless GM Ernie Grunfeld pulls off some kind of major trade, I don't see Washington making the playoffs this season. Antonio Daniels is a competent point guard, but he's no Agent Zero. Plus, his move to the starting lineup leaves the bench too depleted. The real interesting thing will be to see whether Grunfeld decides to blow it up completely. Keep in mind, Antawn Jamison is a free agent after the season. Arenas had indicated he would opt out of his contract after the season to become a free agent as well. It might be time for the Wizards to make a major overhaul."

    The bar has been set pretty low for us. I think EJ is probably safe because of it. Hopefully we can shut this guy up by continuing to play well. My main concern is AJ. How long can he sustain at 40+ per night banging against bigger guys?

    Posted by: mark | November 28, 2007 12:52 PM | Report abuse

    Vote Caron Butler and Antawn Jamison for the All-Star game.

    http://www.nba.com/allstar2008/asb/eng/ballot.html

    Posted by: Rook | November 28, 2007 12:52 PM | Report abuse

    So can someone, in brief, provide insight as to why we are keeping Etan on the roster? Is this a case of Abe trying to be a nice guy and not wanting to drop a guy who is going through a tough time?

    From what I have gathered we could submit that this is career ending injury and drop him from the roster. Sorry to take the hardline but if this is possible it should be done. Not even for the short term gain of getting a little salary cap space back but for the long term weight of the contract. How many folks beleive Etan honestly will come back and play professional basketball again? It's not gonna happen and even if he did, I don't beleive he could be a major contributor to this team. Also, never going to be able to trade a guy who has had open heart surgery. C'mon. If Abe does not want to open the wallet he could at least make this move which makes sense for short and long term. If fiscal is driving this ship, there is no possible reason for not letting Etan go and moving on. Etan is already a millionaire many times over and will not be going hungry. Abe can invite Etan over for dinner periodically if that will make him feel better though.

    For tonight, I hope Brendan wakes up out of his slumber. I do not see Eddie mucking with Haywood's minutes as much as I see reduced productivity from Brendan for the time he is on the floor lately, he's drifting again. He and Blatche need to play big and stay out of foul trouble for the Wizards to have a chance tonight.

    Posted by: Dr. Strangelove | November 28, 2007 12:57 PM | Report abuse

    A quote from Marty Burns on SI's site...

    "The Wizards are toast. Unless GM Ernie Grunfeld pulls off some kind of major trade, I don't see Washington making the playoffs this season. Antonio Daniels is a competent point guard, but he's no Agent Zero. Plus, his move to the starting lineup leaves the bench too depleted. The real interesting thing will be to see whether Grunfeld decides to blow it up completely. Keep in mind, Antawn Jamison is a free agent after the season. Arenas had indicated he would opt out of his contract after the season to become a free agent as well. It might be time for the Wizards to make a major overhaul."

    Clearly, it's time to overhaul a team that on a 7-2 run, that's won 4 of 6 without Gil, that just beat Dallas on the road. This guy's dribble is worse than any poster here - and he gets paid for it!!!

    Posted by: reispace | November 28, 2007 1:09 PM | Report abuse

    "So can someone, in brief, provide insight as to why we are keeping Etan on the roster? Is this a case of Abe trying to be a nice guy and not wanting to drop a guy who is going through a tough time?

    From what I have gathered we could submit that this is career ending injury and drop him from the roster. Sorry to take the hardline but if this is possible it should be done. Not even for the short term gain of getting a little salary cap space back but for the long term weight of the contract. How many folks beleive Etan honestly will come back and play professional basketball again? It's not gonna happen and even if he did, I don't beleive he could be a major contributor to this team. Also, never going to be able to trade a guy who has had open heart surgery. C'mon. If Abe does not want to open the wallet he could at least make this move which makes sense for short and long term. If fiscal is driving this ship, there is no possible reason for not letting Etan go and moving on. Etan is already a millionaire many times over and will not be going hungry. Abe can invite Etan over for dinner periodically if that will make him feel better though.

    Posted by: Dr. Strangelove | November 28, 2007 12:57 PM "

    Why would Les BouleS go through the unnecessary motions and actions to petition the league for an injury exception when Les BouleS have come out and said they won't spend ANY money to go over the lux cap limit?

    Even if they get some financial relief, that is still extra money that will need to be spent on another player, and Abe, whether over the cap or not, does not want to spend ANY more money on any player that doesn't qualify for a cheapo 10 day contract...maybe not even that!

    Posted by: DC Man88 | November 28, 2007 1:14 PM | Report abuse

    keeping Etan on the roster?....Not even for the short term gain of getting a little salary cap space back but for the long term weight of the contract.

    Posted by: Dr. Strangelove | November 28, 2007 12:57 PM

    Dr. Strangelove - just to be clear on two points...

    1. Etan's contract is guaranteed. The team will have to pay him for the entire length of the contract UNLESS he retires.

    2. Teams over the Salary Cap are not allowed to sign any players unless they get an "Exception". Any exception the team receives if Etan is declared medically unable to perform this year would still NOT decrease their salary cap.

    The only way the Wizards get Salary Cap relief is to wait a period of one year following the injury or illness before they can apply to the League for salary cap relief. A league-appointed physician must confirm that the player is medically unfit to continue playing.

    So - to recap. The Wizards CAN apply for an INJURED PLAYER EXEMPTION for THIS year. Which will allow them to sign another player (at 1/2 Etan's salary, or the League Average Salary, whichever is lower).. BUT that player's salary, along with Etan's salary will count against the Salary Cap AND the Luxury Tax.

    By the way, as soon as the exception is granted, the entire exception amount is counted against the Salary Cap and the Luxury Tax, even if you don't sign a replacement player.

    As to why they have not applied for the Exception? - My guess is that they don't want to go over the Luxury Tax.

    Posted by: Rook | November 28, 2007 1:20 PM | Report abuse

    DC Man88,
    I understand this may not bring any immediate change, but for the long term should we not try to relieve ourselves of that contract? Might help with free agent acquisition over the summer. Just do not understand the rational for keeping him on the roster.

    Posted by: Dr. Strangelove | November 28, 2007 1:23 PM | Report abuse

    Dr Strangelove - Another big question that someone else posted here previously is:

    If Etan knew about his condition for some time and was monitoring it for years - Did the Wizards know? And if they knew, why in the world would they sign him to that long term contract?

    Because right now, the way the Collective Bargaining Agreement is structured, they're stuck with Etan's contract; and all the Salary Cap and Luxury Tax implications that go along with it; whether he plays or not!!!

    Posted by: Rook | November 28, 2007 1:30 PM | Report abuse

    Rook,
    Thanks for the excellent breakdown. # 1 is a killer, so even if league-appointed physicians declare him unfit to play we are responsible for paying the entirety of the contract unless he voluntarily retires?

    Wish I could have worked that language into my current contract, "In the event I am incapable of performing my duties, or you feel I am performing them inadequately, I will regardless be paid balance of the contract amount." Nice.

    Posted by: Dr. Strangelove | November 28, 2007 1:30 PM | Report abuse

    You have to think both Haywood and Blatche will be fired up for a matchup with Duncan. To me the key is dealing with Bowen on the defensive end of the floor. Set some hard picks on that guy and don't let him get away with all the dirty crap he likes to do. And DON'T LEAVE HIM OPEN IN THE #$@$#@$#@$#@ CORNER!!!!!!!

    Whew, I fell better.

    Posted by: George Templeton | November 28, 2007 1:32 PM | Report abuse

    "DC Man88,
    I understand this may not bring any immediate change, but for the long term should we not try to relieve ourselves of that contract? Might help with free agent acquisition over the summer. Just do not understand the rational for keeping him on the roster.

    Posted by: Dr. Strangelove | November 28, 2007 01:23 PM "

    Reason is that Les BouleS are content with status quo. Players here are wearing themselves out, but Abe is only concerned about fitting under the salary cap.

    Question for Rook is this: Can't Les BouleS agree or work on a buyout with ET to pay him to go away? How would, if at all, that help the salary cap situation? Many players have been bought out in the past like Zo, SFrancis, Allan Houston, etc.

    Posted by: DC Man88 | November 28, 2007 1:38 PM | Report abuse

    So because Varajeo's TEAM went to he Finals he is better than Daniels and Songalia? Doesn't that "logic" also make Eric Snow better than Jamison and/or Butler?

    Scott Williams has multiple rings so he's better than KG too right?

    Posted by: Monte | November 28, 2007 1:43 PM | Report abuse

    Mr. Templeton,
    Agreed. It was very encouraging in the Dallas game to see Haywood and Darius actually give up some harder fouls rather than just allow a layup. Slows momentum and also gives the other team something to think about when they enter the paint.

    With royalty like San Antonio you often see teams on their best behavior and very deferential. I would like to come in with the opposite attitude. Lay some wood on folks early and let them know we don't give a damn how many banners are hanging. Darius and DMac should be the designated enforcers to help Blatche and Brendan stay out of foul trouble. The only person I would exempt would be Manu because he is tough as nails and will just get fired up.

    Posted by: Dr. Strangelove | November 28, 2007 1:45 PM | Report abuse

    "So because Varajeo's TEAM went to he Finals he is better than Daniels and Songalia? Doesn't that "logic" also make Eric Snow better than Jamison and/or Butler?

    Scott Williams has multiple rings so he's better than KG too right?

    Posted by: Monte | November 28, 2007 01:43 PM "

    You missed the point. The point that was made was that if Les BouleS did the swap, then Les BouleS would ushering the cavs to the playoffs. Of course, the reverse was true during last playoffs:

    ""Trade AD and Songaila? for sideshow bob? Get out of here! Why don't the Wiz just walk the Cavs to the NBA Finals...


    Posted by: ATLwizFAN | November 28, 2007 11:38 AM ""

    Posted by: Anonymous | November 28, 2007 1:47 PM | Report abuse

    Posted by: DC Man88 | November 28, 2007 1:52 PM | Report abuse

    Dr. Stangelove, I think that the only way that the Wiz can apply for that exception is if Etan announces his retirement for non-basketball medical reasons.

    When his doctor stated in a news conference that he should play again this season it's difficult to sell the league and the players union on the idea he'll never play again.

    I'd tend to agree with you and I find it doubtful myself that he can return to playing at an NBA level. But since I have no degree or title besides DC man 88 declaring that I think I'm God, my opinion doesn't count for much.

    The history of the league granting medical exceptions has been quite checkered. Some that would seem rather obvious have been turned down, some others that have seemed a stretch have been granted.

    I'm sure Ernie and the Wizards legal dept have looked at all of the angles. But when you look at the history of salary cap releif for medical exceptions, the guy's normally been out for a season before the league will start the process.

    The other part of that process that is a bummer is that I don't think you get an exception that counts against the hard cap. And that's the Wizard's biggest problem. Rook would be better at answering that question then I am.

    Some of the guys like McNamarra, or CJ Watson would be available to bring in on 10 day contracts, so I'm sure the Wiz are scouting the D League to make a move when they can. It doesn't take God like powers to reason that Grunfeld is going to hold the Veteran's Min. Exception in his pocket in case somebody else goes down between now and Jan. when guys can be brought in on 10 day deals.

    88'er you bragged on here how easy it is to get under some guys skin and that you do it just for fun. And then you turn around and have another thin skinned rant all day.

    The point being about many of your "ideas", McNamarra, Ming Ming, and Side Show Bob at the contract level he's asking, are all available to any team in the league. See anybody biting on any of them?

    And you insist that Grunfeld should spend the Veteran's Min. + the Dollar for Dollar match and loose the Wizards share of the Luxury Tax fund for a D League player? Which would amount to something like a 3-4m a year for a guy that is now out of basketball or plying his way in the D League. And in Jan. the Wiz can sign the same player for a 10 day trail? No strings attached!

    And then you get your drawers in a knot because some of us disagree with you? No One can disagree with you without you going into a name calling rant. But but you've called me alot worse. Too bad I didn't get any special powers with the title.

    Posted by: GM | November 28, 2007 2:01 PM | Report abuse

    The "reverse" wasn't true. they had LeBron and the Wiz didn't have GA or Butler. Still makes no sense to compare individuals to team success. Otherwise the dumb examples I gave still stand. Eric Snow is better than AJ.

    I love Dave Thorpe, mostly when he chats about how Jared Jeffries is going to explode this year... Closed that browser as i had obviously reached the end of the internet.

    Posted by: Monte | November 28, 2007 2:08 PM | Report abuse

    Question for Rook is this: Can't Les BouleS agree or work on a buyout with ET to pay him to go away? How would, if at all, that help the salary cap situation? Many players have been bought out in the past like Zo, SFrancis, Allan Houston, etc.

    Posted by: DC Man88 | November 28, 2007 01:38 PM

    If the Wizards could work a buyout with ET for a LOWER amount than his current contract, the LOWER amount would be counted against the Salary Cap and Luxury Tax.

    So, for instance, if the Wiz and Thomas agreed to a buy-out, then that amount would be included in the team salary (for Salary Cap and Luxury Tax purposes), instead of the original contract amount. The buy-out amount is portioned out to the remaining years on the original contract.

    But then the question remains, why would Etan negotiate a lower buy-out than his existing guaranteed contract?

    Posted by: Rook | November 28, 2007 2:23 PM | Report abuse

    By the way - I don't want to come off as some kind of "Cap Expert", because I'm not. So if anyone has information contrary to what I've posted, please let me know.

    There were, and are, some interesting quesions about Gil opting out of his contract, Jamison's expiring contract, Thomas' heart problem, potential trades for O'Neil/Garnett/Kobe Bryant, etc... so I've been trying to research some of the Cap and Tax implications.

    You can read the actual Collective Bargaining Agreement online here:
    http://www.nbpa.com/cba_articles.php

    Rather dry stuff, and very very boring....

    Posted by: Rook | November 28, 2007 2:34 PM | Report abuse

    "The point being about many of your "ideas", McNamarra, Ming Ming, and Side Show Bob at the contract level he's asking, are all available to any team in the league. See anybody biting on any of them?

    And you insist that Grunfeld should spend the Veteran's Min. + the Dollar for Dollar match and loose the Wizards share of the Luxury Tax fund for a D League player? Which would amount to something like a 3-4m a year for a guy that is now out of basketball or plying his way in the D League. And in Jan. the Wiz can sign the same player for a 10 day trail? No strings attached!

    Posted by: GM | November 28, 2007 02:01 PM "

    Hmm, I wonder how many other cheapskate organizations out there pretending to be franchises are trying to squeak by while being undermanned? Probably not many or any.

    Posted by: DC Man88 | November 28, 2007 2:34 PM | Report abuse

    "But then the question remains, why would Etan negotiate a lower buy-out than his existing guaranteed contract?

    Posted by: Rook | November 28, 2007 02:23 PM "

    Possibly if Les BouleS doctors never clear him and let him sit and rot where he thinks he can go elsewhere and get cleared and play. Then, he may negotiate a buyout. Probably far fetched, but possible.

    Posted by: DC Man88 | November 28, 2007 2:40 PM | Report abuse

    Clear him or not he's still going to get paid. Exactly what pressure is that applying to him?

    The Wizards are 7-2 in the last nine games, not exactly a sinking ship right now. So why would Grunfeld be desperate to make any move?

    Why pay 4m dollars now for a guy that's going to get paid to sit and watch when in about 50 days the same guy's going to be willing to sign a 10 day deal?

    And signing a guy now will limit the team's flexibility if another injury strikes between now and then.

    Posted by: GM | November 28, 2007 3:01 PM | Report abuse

    GM - I see your point.... but signing a d-League Rookie to a contract now would not cost $4M...

    Rookie First Year Minimum salary is $427,163... If the Wiz are $200K under the Cap, they would have to pay a dollar-for-dollar Tax (say $227K)... and they would forfeit the Tax payment at the end of the year....

    So - out of pocket, up front money of about $655K + loss of the Tax Payment.

    I know the Tax Payment is not calculated until the end of the year, but does anyone know what it stands at now? Or what it was last year?

    Posted by: Rook | November 28, 2007 3:14 PM | Report abuse

    "Clear him or not he's still going to get paid. Exactly what pressure is that applying to him?

    The Wizards are 7-2 in the last nine games, not exactly a sinking ship right now. So why would Grunfeld be desperate to make any move?

    Posted by: GM | November 28, 2007 03:01 PM "

    Apparently the same type of pressure that was successful in getting Zo to leave NJ, SFrancis to leave NY, and AHouston to leave NY.

    Desperate to make a move? Can you count? how many live bodies are on the team? How many minutes have the starters logged the past few games? Do you have any foresight?

    Posted by: DC Man88 | November 28, 2007 3:22 PM | Report abuse

    Apparently the same type of pressure that was successful in getting Zo to leave NJ, SFrancis to leave NY, and AHouston to leave NY

    Posted by: DC Man88 | November 28, 2007 03:22 PM

    Sorry DC, but all those players left their teams because they wanted to go to a better situation in a diffferent city; NOT because they were injured.

    There is no incentive that I can think of for Etan Thomas to retire from basketball (and forfeit his salary), or take a buy-out for less money, unless another team wants to sign him. And I just don't see another team taking a chance on signing a guy that had open-heart surgery to a large long-term contract.

    Posted by: Rook | November 28, 2007 3:33 PM | Report abuse

    Dr. Strangelove said: "How many folks beleive Etan honestly will come back and play professional basketball again? It's not gonna happen and even if he did, I don't beleive he could be a major contributor to this team. Also, never going to be able to trade a guy who has had open heart surgery."

    FYI, Ronnie Turiaf was drafted in 2005 by the Lakers, and they found he need the same surgery that Etan had. Six months after his surgery, he re-joined the lakers ( he actually got his first contract ). He is now averaging 7.3 ppg, 4.20 rpg, and 1.7 apg. So people do/can come back from this operation. Turiaf is a solid contributor to his team.

    Posted by: 2cents4wiz | November 28, 2007 3:37 PM | Report abuse

    "Sorry DC, but all those players left their teams because they wanted to go to a better situation in a diffferent city; NOT because they were injured.

    There is no incentive that I can think of for Etan Thomas to retire from basketball (and forfeit his salary), or take a buy-out for less money, unless another team wants to sign him. And I just don't see another team taking a chance on signing a guy that had open-heart surgery to a large long-term contract.

    Posted by: Rook | November 28, 2007 03:33 PM "

    Oh yeah, 2 of 3 were definitely injured. It was NJ that took the chance on Zo and then he had the relapse, but recovered, and wasn't going anywhere, so they bought him out. Then Allan Houston had trouble with his legs/back and couldn't jump anymore.

    I think it's unlikely that ET will leave money on the table, but that's not to say that it's impossible. It is possible. Maybe ET wants to return home and play, wherever that is. Maybe he followed a team while growing up. Maybe he likes the coaches and players on a certain team. Not likely, but you never know.

    Posted by: DC Man88 | November 28, 2007 3:49 PM | Report abuse

    GM and Rook,
    Thanks again for clarifying Etan's contract situation. It sounds like this will have to sit until either Etan has missed a year or he has a great recovery and is ready to return to basketball. I also agree with GM that EG will try to hold off on any signings until he can start working 10-day contracts in Jan. This seems logical considering the current restraints ownership has placed.

    2cents4wiz,
    Thanks for the info on Turiaf, I was not aware of his story. I am no doctor but it just seems that cracking a chest would be considerable recovery time. Amazing that Turiaf could recover and build strength and endurance to play in the NBA a mere 6 months after. There are numerous variables but I would think with Etan's size it would take longer for him to regain the needed conditioning.

    Posted by: Dr. Strangelove | November 28, 2007 4:23 PM | Report abuse

    JCN is #1 of top ten rookies so far:

    Let the haunting begin. Every GM no matter how good or bad makes bad deals. Its early, but it is looking like a bad deal already, unless of course the Wiz actually get the 18th pick and it is Brook Lopez who goes on to star at center for the next decade.

    Posted by: Anonymous | November 28, 2007 4:43 PM | Report abuse

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