Without Arenas, Wiz keep winning

It wasn't pretty at the end and the Wiz really did give Charlotte every chance to steal a victory tonight but in the end, a 114-111 overtime win here in Charlotte tonight at least gave the Wiz a reason to feel good on a day that included bad news about Gilbert Arenas.

Caron Butler was monster with 39 points and one huge three-pointer in overtime, Antawn Jamison was well, Antawn Jamison with 27 and 12, Andray Blatche fought off foul trouble and blocked five shots and Antonio Daniels posted a Jason Kidd-like 14, 8 and 6.

It was all nearly wiped out by a string of sloppy turnovers late and DeShawn Stevenson did miss a pair of free throws that would have iced it but, in the end, they got it done. Six straight wins after an 0-5 start. Not bad. Three staight wins without Gilbert. Not bad. Three straight road wins after not winning their third road game until Dec. 12 of last season (ironically, that was the night Gilbert dropped 60 on the Lakers - I was there but man, it feels like a long time ago). Not bad.

It only gets tougher from here with a back-to-back coming up on Friday and Saturday and a long road trip kicking off soon but hey, this team is 6-5 and appears to have enough vets to earn wins like tonight's. Have a good Thanksgiving.

By Ivan Carter |  November 21, 2007; 10:55 PM ET
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With the emergence of Haywood and Blatche, this team is still talented enough to go over .500 - especially in the east. But the margin of error is now razor-thin. Forget about competing with Boston, SA, Phoenix, etc. Still, playoffs is doable with two all-stars, and plenty of other talent - only to be crushed by Boston...

As far as Gil coming back in 3 months - I for one need much more medical info. 'Microfracture surgery' is new to me. Doesn't sound good, though. Who gets back first - Etan, or Gil?

Plus, if he never fully recovers this season, I just can't see him opting out of his last year. For what purpose? Unless he has an understanding with EG that he'll get a max contract. However, if Jamison makes all-star this year as a result of increased role/points, the scenario of him making significantly less next year may go out the window.

You have to be good AND lucky. Still Les Boulez, I'm afraid...

Posted by: reispace | November 21, 2007 11:11 PM

I know Amare Stoudemire and (maybe) Antonio McDyess went through microfracture surgery, and it's a crapshoot as far as recovery is concerned.

While I hope the Wiz play better as a team while Gilbert's out, you gotta wonder what this and last season would have been like without all the injuries.

The silver lining in this cloud, though, is that everyone on the team has a chance to elevate their game.

Posted by: iceberg | November 21, 2007 11:18 PM

Again, Why are not looking Earl Boykins as a fill-in? I think he would fit in perfectly...

Can we use Etan's injury exception?

Posted by: RS | November 21, 2007 11:50 PM

With the successful traps tonight by Charlotte it's pretty clear that the Wizards are going to miss Arenas's ball handling skills late in games, but you have to deal with the hand your dealt. This team still has a good mix of talent and experience which puts it in a position to win games. Quite a few positives to take away from the most recent winning streak.

Posted by: JP2 | November 22, 2007 12:10 AM

All of you who only thought the Wiz played defense and passed the ball better was when Gil wasn't playing sure have short memories. That 2nd Indiana game, Gil and the gang played the best defense throughout the game in EJ's tenure and the ball was passed around very well too, Gil ending up with 11 assists. It was an overall team effort to maximize their team efficiency, offensively and defensively - it didn't just start after Gil went down.

They are playing harder and trying to play better with team execution since they don't have that singular player that can break down a defense almost any time he wants, anymore.

Elite athletes that are great basketball players don't just grow on trees. They're also so good, sometimes they try to do everything on their own, especially when they're young and immature. Offensively, Gil is very much our own version of Baron Davis, hopefully less injury prone. They both have unbelievable quickness and speed to go along with size and strength for a point guard. Add incredible shooting range (especially Gil) and you have a headache on your hands as a defense. Who on the Wizards besides Gil have that many advantages over their positional counterparts? Closest guys are Caron and Blatche.

Caron is strong and pretty quick, but not really that fast compared to many guys his position or size. He can shoot the midrange shot well but his range is quite limited. Overall a very diverse and super solid player that will be consistent, but doesn't have enough advantages, talent, and skills to be an alpha dog.

Blatche has sublime skills to go along with great size. If he had major drive and personality for it, he potentially could be an alpha dog but right now is too green.

The current cast of Wiz w/o Gil playing great team ball can be very good and competitive against good and even very good teams. But against the top teams, you need an ace or two up your sleeve to compete, since all other top teams have one or two of their own. Think about all the great teams and their top players, at least one bring something so good others around league are distant seconds. Typically, it's 1. Size, 2. Speed, 3. Skills, 4. Athleticism, 5. Jumping, 6. Scoring, 7. Passing, etc... any combinations of the above.

Posted by: Takin' a Wiz | November 22, 2007 12:11 AM

A few thoughts from a Bobcats fan who sat a few rows behind the Wizards bench tonight -

- Andray Blatche is special (perennial All-Star potential special). The way he sees the court cannot be taught. He does need some work on defense (not help defense...I seen all of those blocks). Okafor had a few key plays down the stretch where Blatche was helpless. Still yet, at times he looked like the best player on the floor.

- Caron Butler reminded me of Charles Barkley on offense tonight in the way he willed himself to the basket. First time anyone has reminded me of Barkley since he retired. Butler has totally put on some muscle since last year.

- Antonio Daniels looked like a darn good starting PG tonight. Obviously he can't start for the Wiz because of Arenas, but he plays much better as a starter than as a reserve.

- As I posted yesterday, Raymond Felton is legit. He is the only reason the game was pushed to overtime. In some ways he reminds me of Arenas (with less scoring ability but a better passer). Look for him to give the Wiz fits for many years to come.

- Question for readers - If Butler steps up his play, Blatche breaks out as he aleady seems to be doing, and Daniels continues his solid play at the point...and all of this results in the Wiz at or near the top of the East in three months...do you still give Arenas a MAX deal? I've never even envisioned this team as Arenas-less before tonight but think that it may be better than many people think and especially with what the Wiz could do with that $$$. Promise I'm not an Arenas-hater, and I know he's one of the most prolific scorers in the game. But, aside from Isaiah Thomas (kind of), what score-first PG has ever led a team to a championship? I just wanted to throw it out there.

Cats_Fan

Posted by: Cats_Fan | November 22, 2007 2:34 AM

What a tremendous win. The Cats are a legitimate team now, and with the exception of a few close losses, would be among the big surprises, and they also have been devastated with injuries.
Th Wiz with Blatche emerging, are an aggressive and focused bunch. They need Haywood and AB to give each other breathers. As it is obvious, that one of the offsets of youth is stamina, and also that this team suffers tremendously with Songalia at the back up center position. He lacks the physical skills to effectively cover the "big man " position. An adequate back up 4 though.
I remain puzzled, how in this day and age, the ownership of the Wiz, continue to play shorthanded, now with 9 players, and Mason is certainly not an option. He is a deer in the headlights.
Yet the owner scrounges/scrooges in signing another player or 2 to short term contracts. There are not enough healthy players for a good scrimmage, and this guy worries about the salary cap?
Is it not now clear, what the real problem is with this franchise?
All in the same week, that "The Pearl" is honored, which reminds us once again, that this is the same owner that sent Pearl packing, over a salary dispute...he tried to "cheap" him.
How do we trade the owner?
How many legitimate owners, would allow the money to stop the necesaary additions to a depleted roster?

Posted by: mricklen | November 22, 2007 2:59 AM

"He'll still opt out and teams will still makes runs to sign him to a big deal. On the continuum of knee injuries an athlete can suffer, a torn meniscus is not in the career-threatening category.

Posted by: kalorama | November 21, 2007 10:44 PM "

In case you didn't read, Gilby not only had his meniscus repaired, but also microfracture surgery. That takes a LONG time to heal, and it's very iffy if the player will return at their previous level.

Microfracture surgery is when small fractures are induced into the bone to allow more blood to get to the injured area to speed healing. That doesn't mean someone can play in a professional basketball game in 3 months.

Kenyon Martin, McDyess, and Amare Stoudemire had this surgery, and they were gone for a long time. They are not the players they once were. In fact, Amare came back too soon, and had to go back to IR. He might have had the surgery twice.

Gilby went out in April, came back in Nov, and still had problems. That's 5-6 months. You add 6 months from today and that's easily into May. I don't see Gilby coming back this season, and if he does, definitely not at full strength.

I wonder when we'll see Gilby running around town with his parachute and biking around town again. Maybe he'll combine the two and bike with his parachute on, like a bike hot rodder. They do sell bikes that look like choppers.

Posted by: DC Man88 | November 22, 2007 3:02 AM

"All of you who only thought the Wiz played defense and passed the ball better was when Gil wasn't playing sure have short memories. That 2nd Indiana game, Gil and the gang played the best defense throughout the game in EJ's tenure and the ball was passed around very well too, Gil ending up with 11 assists. It was an overall team effort to maximize their team efficiency, offensively and defensively - it didn't just start after Gil went down.

Elite athletes that are great basketball players don't just grow on trees. They're also so good, sometimes they try to do everything on their own, especially when they're young and immature. Offensively, Gil is very much our own version of Baron Davis, hopefully less injury prone. They both have unbelievable quickness and speed to go along with size and strength for a point guard. Add incredible shooting range (especially Gil) and you have a headache on your hands as a defense. Who on the Wizards besides Gil have that many advantages over their positional counterparts? Closest guys are Caron and Blatche.

Posted by: Takin' a Wiz | November 22, 2007 12:11 AM "

Wizzinator. It speaks volumes that you render your assessment on the team based on one game. I guess since the 2nd Indiana game was the end all be all in rendering judgment, Les BouleS should quit while they're ahead.

Oh, BTW, what has Baron Davis won? Baron Davis is a great individual and explosively physical player, probably moreso than Gilby, and has evolved his game to include his teammates, but he's won nothing.

Posted by: DC Man88 | November 22, 2007 3:06 AM

Oh yeah, can we say we're shorthanded now? I said we were shorthanded when ET and Opech were gone. Now, both Gilby and BTH are gone. Is Abe going to continue to pinch pennies, or is he going to allow EG to at least bring some players in to work out and see if they can contribute?

Motel 69 off NY Ave probably isn't that expensive, and it's close to VC. I'm sure Abe can swing the coach flight and the one night stay at the no tell motel, especially since he got 50 mil from the DC taxpayers.

Posted by: DC Man88 | November 22, 2007 3:09 AM

Washington, DC: Was it a good idea for the team to go with just 13 players? Twelve, if you don't count Etan Thomas. I realize Abe Pollin doesn't want to pay the luxury tax.

If 3 or more players get injured, how do the Wizards cobble together 10 bodies to even practice? Do some of the coaches fill in? Any plans to bring Donnell Taylor and Mike Hall back?

Ivan Carter: You are right: the luxury tax was the reason behind the decision to keep 13. Etan is out. Pesh is out for a few more weeks. That leaves 10 healthy bodies but Gilbert is out for tonight and maybe Friday night if not longer and Brendan rolled an ankle last night. It's getting thin. They may have to do eat the extra dough just to cobble together enough bodies.

Posted by: DC Man88 | November 22, 2007 4:08 AM

The squad showed some grit tonight despite season-changing news. Mr. Polin, if you read this, please meet the team half-way and give it a shot.

Happy thanksgiving DC

Posted by: ATLwizFAN | November 22, 2007 5:05 AM

Juan only got 6 mins. PT for Toronto last night, so he may be out of the rotation there and may be available. He's obviously not a point guard per se, but can play the point, is versatile, and gives you some offensive production from the backcourt which the Wiz sorely need with Gil out. He's also familiar with the offense. Hate to give up a draft choice, though.

Posted by: Mitch | November 22, 2007 7:18 AM

What to do now?

- To tie into something Ray said in the previous posting, Grunfeld needs to hire an outside consultant to fully assess the Wizards' medical staff and procedures, and make dramatic changes. The medical side of the Wizards' organization has been a joke for decades. Players have been ticked off for years at the quality of care (Jerry Stackhouse comes to mind). When someone on another team (Jason Kidd) pulls your star player to the side and says, in effect, "Why the heck are you playing?," you know (1) the Wizards' medical staff has a bad reputation league-wide; and/or (2) even outsiders can see that the Wizards aren't doing it right. Why was Gilbert allowed to play, and allowed to play for 40+/game when even a number of the people on this blog, who I assume have ZERO medical training, had enough common sense to see something wasn't right and to advocate that Gilbert shut it down for a couple of weeks? If he had done that, he wouldn't have had this surgery. If this is a professional organization, and Grunfeld is any sort of leader, he will revamp the team's entire medical organization pronto. Ivan, I'd love to see you question Grunfeld about this issue.

- You've got to expand the roster. Antonio Daniels can't play 40+ minutes a night for the rest of the season. Either the team needs to go over the luxury tax, or you've got to explore trading Etan for parts -- Etan for two or three guys with a pulse and probably at least one bad contract. Don't know if there will be any takers, but Etan is a pretty good center, and those guys don't grow on trees.

Posted by: Henry | November 22, 2007 7:52 AM

The Wiz ARE DEEP. It's just a new kid like Young is not going to see 40 minuttes a game yet he has a VERY high ceiling. The future is very bright with this team, as we have MAJOR talent to untap (and Blatche is getting there already.)

Posted by: BK | November 22, 2007 8:31 AM

It looks like the Wiz are now relatively strong in the front court versus the backcourt. Also, while DS is the perfect complement to Gilbert, he doesn't bring enough O when AD is running the team.

Therefore, CB needs to move to the 2. And Blatche needs to start alongside BH and AJ. We'll still have DSong and OP coming off the bench in the froutcourt.

The second string of DS and NY in the backcourt ought to be okay for 10 minutes a game.

The Wiz and its reporters need to stop peddling Gilbert and Etan for any comebacks this year. Let's get focused on what we have. The Wiz can easily make the playoffs and even develop some promising young players in the process.

Finally, rather than "Ready to Rule, the team slogan should be changed to "No excuses".

Posted by: Izman | November 22, 2007 8:34 AM

"The Wiz ARE DEEP."

"The second string of DS and NY in the backcourt ought to be okay for 10 minutes a game."

The "deep" team had 9 guys suited up last night. And yeah, AD will play 38 minutes a game for the rest of the season. What planet are some of you guys living on?

Posted by: Mitch | November 22, 2007 8:47 AM

That was a close one. A really good one to win, they all needed that for their confidence. If BH is out for an extended period, they are in trouble.

And what do you know, Eddie can coach. He may have done the best job in a single game that I can remember for a long time. So bravo to EJ and plz keep it up.

But DeeShawn, wow how pathetic was that performance? Can't even make one of those last two...he's playing like he's worried some crazy-ass pimp is out in the crowd looking for him after the game. Not sure who is worse DS or RM. There has got to be some veteran with AD like skills out there we can trade one or both of them for--or maybe even trade Pech for another ball-handler/shooter. With BH, AB, DSong, and AJ we seem to set at the 4&5. (I can't beleive I just said that.)


Posted by: oddjob | November 22, 2007 8:57 AM

Great win. I am watching the tape right now. I am most pleased by the character that we are showing. Could have easily been super depressed and gotten blown out but we didn't. We obviously will miss Gilbert and the medical staff and decisions need to be looked into.

As far as what to do I think we just need to find someone to spell Daniels. He needs to play 30 minutes a night while somebody comes in and plays 18. Stevenson, Mason, Young will get pressed to death. Summer league had Miles and Chase. One of them went overseas. Where is the other one? Donnell Taylor is not the answer but if all else fails get him till somebody else pops up. Daniels will wear out if he plays 40 minutes a night.

In addition to the improvement of our bigs, and a more athletic bench, we have shown we can play tougher defense which is one of the big difference between now and last spring. I am also very pleased that Jordan seems to be coaching better. Has he changed or is this the impact of Randy Ayres. He actually thinks about defensive matchups a lot more now.

My 51-54 win game prediction is out the door now but why can't we win 42-44 games? It is still very doable. Barring another serious injury of course.

Posted by: BmoreRev | November 22, 2007 9:02 AM

for everyone crying about his microfracture surgery, read his blog:

"I had to get surgery and I ended up with a meniscus tear and a microfracture on my non weight-bearing part of the bone in my left knee.

It's not the more serious microfracture that some guys get. If I would have had that kind, I would have been out 12 months. This one is just three months.

I can't rehab it yet, I'm sitting out for about a month. It's not as bad as the injury in April, but it's tough"


it's not the same kind!!

Posted by: Anonymous | November 22, 2007 9:13 AM

That Charlotte game was exciting but it also exposed our need for a PG to bring the ball up under pressure. Also,it appears that last shot opportunities are now in Butler's hands. Unfortunately,he's not really a 1on1 player. We better add a PG. I know it puts us over the cap and we lose the revenue sharing check. During the Philley game, I sat a bit next to Earl the Pearl and complained that we once traded him for Mike Reardon and 2 other stiffs. He reminded me to "Don't forget the half-million dollars too". I suppose Abe was pinching pennies back then too. Hope that doesn't keep them from adding the necessary bodies now!

Posted by: Beeb | November 22, 2007 9:18 AM

DC Man,

Go lie down on a runway at Dulles. I hope everyone sees you for the scum-sucking pig you are, and completely scrolls by any comment with your name attached. To shout "Hallelujah!" when the franchise player undergoes surgery is unforgivable.

Unforgivable, you worm. Slink away back into your hole.

Posted by: Keithinator | November 22, 2007 9:23 AM

I am pleasantly surprised that the Wizards won last night. The Bobcats are a scrappy team and it is usually hard for Washington to beat them even when healthy.

As Ivan mentions, the Wiz did give Charlotte several chances to steal a victory, but they made their share of mistakes also, which is why they ultimately lost. If Gilbert would have been healthy and played, the Wiz would probably have won this game in regulation.

A good win for the Wiz, though, and it looks like Butler will be one of the players to step up with Gilbert out along with AJ, as I would have expected. Good games by AB and AD also.

Next week four games on the road, then some time at home in the first half of December, but against teams that mainly will be a lot better than the ones we have been playing lately.

Posted by: Tim | November 22, 2007 9:50 AM

Hi Ivan,

Love the Blog. It's awesome. I think the Wiz will be okay. The team's identity will change and it will be interesting to see the long-term implications of this. This article decent does decent job breaking it down:

http://www.hoopsvibe.com/nba-blog/wasington-wizards-can-survive-gilbert-arenas-knee-surgery-with-defense-balanced-scoring-ar46281.html

Peace,

FA

Posted by: FA | November 22, 2007 9:54 AM

I have not read the WaPost coverage this morning of Gil's surgery yet, but here are a few interesting paragraphs from a WaTimes article this morning:

Arenas also had what was described by operating surgeon Marc Connell as a "non-weight bearing articular surface defect in the trochlea treated by microfracture."

According to a source with knowledge of the surgery, the injury to the femur is not related to the knee injury and might have been a result of the rigorous rehabilitation program Arenas put himself through this summer.

"I probably pushed myself too hard rehabbing" Arenas said in a telephone interview with The Washington Times shortly after leaving surgery at Sibley Memorial Hospital. "I worked hard and did the stuff I had to do. I don't know how to not push myself 100 percent.

"It's very disappointing," added Arenas, the Wizards' leading scorer since signing with them in 2003. "You work out the whole summer to get back, you show signs of being back and you feel 100 percent, get cleared to play and then hurt it two games later."

While the procedure included a form of microfracture surgery, it is not the same type of surgery that Jason Kidd, Amare Stoudemire and Chris Webber had. Those players had the surgery performed directly on the knee. Because Arenas' surgery was on a non-weight-bearing bone, his prospects for complete recovery are much better.

Posted by: Tim | November 22, 2007 9:57 AM

"I am pleasantly surprised that the Wizards won last night. The Bobcats are a scrappy team and it is usually hard for Washington to beat them even when healthy.

As Ivan mentions, the Wiz did give Charlotte several chances to steal a victory, but they made their share of mistakes also, which is why they ultimately lost. If Gilbert would have been healthy and played, the Wiz would probably have won this game in regulation.

A good win for the Wiz, though, and it looks like Butler will be one of the players to step up with Gilbert out along with AJ, as I would have expected. Good games by AB and AD also.

Next week four games on the road, then some time at home in the first half of December, but against teams that mainly will be a lot better than the ones we have been playing lately.

Posted by: Tim | November 22, 2007 09:50 AM "

Nevermind Gilby, if BTH was playing in this game, Les BouleS would have beaten them soundly. I don't think Okafor could have handled BTH's height and long arms.

Posted by: DC Man88 | November 22, 2007 9:58 AM

"DC Man,

Go lie down on a runway at Dulles. I hope everyone sees you for the scum-sucking pig you are, and completely scrolls by any comment with your name attached. To shout "Hallelujah!" when the franchise player undergoes surgery is unforgivable.

Unforgivable, you worm. Slink away back into your hole.

Posted by: Keithinator | November 22, 2007 09:23 AM "

Why don't you go stick your peanut head into a turkey fryer. If you don't like free speech, the not only are you on the wrong blog, you are in the wrong country...you piece of pig crap.

Posted by: DC Man88 | November 22, 2007 10:00 AM

-Happy Thanks to all
I second that, the medical staff here a least needs to be looked at to see if there advice is less than adaqate and maybe needs to be replace. I am a strong Gil fan and also upset at the way this entire injury was handle. I must admit that Gil himself did not handle the injury well with the shooting a million jumpers, bike riding through town and parachute act.Gil is goofy in alot of ways and its up to management to tell him to sit down and relax to get well.
Second if there one player out there we may get and is worth to wiz fans and management to go over the salary cap is Steve Fransis. Yea he got,I think a one year 2.4 million salary.We trade mason and a second rounder we will be about 1.5 over making Steve costing 3 million. Hes worth it for one year and Abe would make that back easily in ticket sales because hes a hometown player.
But as a true wiz fan I would not mind if we do loss alot this year to get a lottery pick next year(Hibbert or a good point guard).Also we should save some money when its time to resign Gil becase of his know bad knees.

Posted by: d square | November 22, 2007 10:00 AM

"for everyone crying about his microfracture surgery, read his blog:

"I had to get surgery and I ended up with a meniscus tear and a microfracture on my non weight-bearing part of the bone in my left knee.

It's not the more serious microfracture that some guys get. If I would have had that kind, I would have been out 12 months. This one is just three months.

I can't rehab it yet, I'm sitting out for about a month. It's not as bad as the injury in April, but it's tough"


it's not the same kind!!

Posted by: | November 22, 2007 09:13 AM "

It's great that the "Les BouleS" doctors are giving fans some hope to keep "fan interest" up for Les BouleS. Unfortunately, when has someone ever come back from any injury at full strength and hit the ground running?

How can someone give a prognosis on a "different kind of microfracture surgery" if it's not similar to the surgery other athletes have had where it's taken then awhile to come back?

If this bone was non-weight bearing, then why did they need to perform surgery on it? The bottom line it seems is that the intent of this type of surgery is to speed the healing progress. Also, whenever Les BouleS doctors are mentioned in evaluating or treating a player, it's scary. Go ask CWebb.

Just b/c the healing process is sped up, it doesn't mean Gilby should rush back for any reason. It's just too bad that Gilby gambled on his "opt out" and is now in a very risky position where he won't be able to get on the court anytime soon to prove that he can take his game beyond just jacking up long bombs and shooting whenever he touches the ball.

EG/Pollin have said many times before that they will do their best to retain their players, but go ask Rex Chapman, Juwan Howard, and Larry Hughes how those promises ended up.

Posted by: DC Man88 | November 22, 2007 10:07 AM

adequate,sorry for the mis spell word

Posted by: d square | November 22, 2007 10:11 AM

Stevie Francis is a shell of his former self. And his former self was a shell of what he potentially could have been.

If we want an ex-Terp named Stevie, it would be Blake. He would give us a pure point guard. But I don't think he's available.

Posted by: Mitch | November 22, 2007 10:11 AM

"According to a source with knowledge of the surgery, the injury to the femur is not related to the knee injury and might have been a result of the rigorous rehabilitation program Arenas put himself through this summer.

"I probably pushed myself too hard rehabbing" Arenas said in a telephone interview with The Washington Times shortly after leaving surgery at Sibley Memorial Hospital. "I worked hard and did the stuff I had to do. I don't know how to not push myself 100 percent.

"It's very disappointing," added Arenas, the Wizards' leading scorer since signing with them in 2003. "You work out the whole summer to get back, you show signs of being back and you feel 100 percent, get cleared to play and then hurt it two games later."

Posted by: Tim | November 22, 2007 09:57 AM "

Unfortunately what Gilby doesn't get is that "going 100%" is not what hurt him. Not being smart about it is what hurt him. Trying to go above 100% is what hurt him.

Nobody knows or is willing to talk about if his personal workouts, meaning balling at Barry Farms, running with that goofy parachute, or biking around town was monitored by a doctor, not his buddy trainer.

Posted by: DC Man88 | November 22, 2007 10:12 AM

A couple of thoughts come to mind:
Henry refers to E thomas as a pretty good center...please...he is horrible and represents one of ernie's few mistakes with his contract...he is worthless in a trade especially with the health issue. His health issue while a terrible thing was a blessing for the wiz...bh stopped being big baby and is exerting effort which highlights that a 7 footer with long arms who tries can be a good nba player.

Second, blaming abe for not picking up a 10 day contract or two is ridiculous, the dollars are so small, its an absurd comment. If ernie wants a 10 day stiff or ex-summer league player for practice, they will get one.

Third,Oddjob...eddie still cannot coach...i am not sure what game you were watching last night. When the wiz were up 6 or 7 in ot and trying to hold the lead, he was doing defensive for offensive substiution in the last 2 min with AB for defense and ds for offense. Problem was when we turned it over ds was stuck in the game on defense and was a HUGE liability. His offense was also limited as someone pointed out earlier with AD at the point. AB has skills at both ends of the court and while he did have 5 fouls, he should have been in instead of ds at that point.

Fourth, Deshawn should be benched indefinitely for missing those foul shots and for generally being a bum. Classic example of a guy who somehow magically has a great season when in a contract year, but did you see him in the playoffs last year. While good on defense he is very marginal on offense and only helps when the big 3 give him wide open shots. But i have to say as a 38 year old guy who didn't play college ball I would gladly shoot jump shots against stevenson for money.

happy turkey!

Posted by: Izzy | November 22, 2007 10:18 AM

"Stevie Francis is a shell of his former self. And his former self was a shell of what he potentially could have been.

If we want an ex-Terp named Stevie, it would be Blake. He would give us a pure point guard. But I don't think he's available.

Posted by: Mitch | November 22, 2007 10:11 AM "

I think Stevie burned his bridges to DC. He was often quoted as saying how he relished coming to DC and beating Les BouleS. As much of an egomaniac Gilby is, at least he pretends to love DC and the fans first. Stevie doesn't pretend. He loves himself more than anything else and won't be sharing the ball if he gets here. He's got a chip on his shoulder.

Posted by: DC Man88 | November 22, 2007 10:19 AM

I wonder when we'll see Gilby running around town with his parachute and biking around town again. Maybe he'll combine the two and bike with his parachute on, like a bike hot rodder. They do sell bikes that look like choppers.

Posted by: DC Man88 | November 22, 2007 03:02 AM

Easily the funniest thing you've ever written. You should post at 3AM more often. Have to agree with other posters that your 'Hallelujah' demonstrated remarkable lack of class (again).

The drama sorrounding Gil's injury is endless. Could he get resentful at the medical staff and extend that resentment to ownership/management? I certainly would be tempted to find someone to blame, were I in his situation.

IMHO, management and ownership were wise in not signing 1-2 more players earlier. Now they have the flexibility to assess their real NEEDS and adjust accordingly. Abe may hate going into luxury tax territory, but salvaging the season is a much more legitimate reason for doing so. I'm confident he'll do so IF there's a player out there worth doing so for. And, please God, do NOT bring Steve Francis to this team. Juan Dixon - the American JCN - would be pretty cool.

Posted by: reispace | November 22, 2007 10:23 AM

Here are a few other paragraphs from the WaTimes article and the link:

When Arenas first suffered the injury, the tendons in his knee were severely stretched, according to a source. It's believed the injury could have been much more serious than was originally thought.

Arenas, still just 25 years old, has maintained since last spring that he will opt out of the final season of his contract this year and test the free agent market. But Arenas, who started for the Eastern Conference in the All-Star Game last season, did not sound so sure after his most recent mishap.

"I'm not even thinking that far ahead," Arenas said.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071122/SPORTS03/111220089/1005/SPORTS


Posted by: Tim | November 22, 2007 10:28 AM

"The drama sorrounding Gil's injury is endless. Could he get resentful at the medical staff and extend that resentment to ownership/management? I certainly would be tempted to find someone to blame, were I in his situation.

Posted by: reispace | November 22, 2007 10:23 AM "

I think Gilby's biggest problem was that he put undue pressure on himself based on his big talk and his opt out. If he kept his mouth shut, then he wouldn't have felt the self imposed pressure to come back and repeat his performance from early last season.

Hallelujah!!!!

Posted by: DC Man88 | November 22, 2007 10:29 AM

"The Wizards might look to re-sign point guard Donell Taylor, whom they released right before the start of the season. Taylor played in 98 games over the past two seasons.

"That's not for me to answer. That's a front-office question," Wizards coach Eddie Jordan said."

This is a telling quote from the Times. Seems like a total discord between the coaches and management/ownership.

Also, if I were Gilby, I wouldn't opt out. I'd just play his final season and then become a free agent. I think he needs another year to prove what he can do and more, and it certainly won't be this year.

Posted by: DC Man88 | November 22, 2007 10:34 AM

I thought the same thing when I read EJ's quote in the WaTimes. It seems like EJ and EG should be working together on this.

Posted by: Tim | November 22, 2007 10:42 AM

Don't read into EJ's comment. A couple of months ago he gave the front office props for their off-season work. He's probably just being careful not to step on any toes. Plus, acknowledging he has enough on his plate adjusting to injuries to Gil, BTH, Pech, Etan...

Posted by: reispace | November 22, 2007 10:49 AM

You may be right, reispace. However, it does seems sometimes like things aren't totally right between EJ and EG.

Posted by: Tim | November 22, 2007 10:54 AM

A dream scenario would be that the Wiz hold the fort by playing around .500 ball until Gil gets back in March or April and then get in the playoffs and make a deep run.

Posted by: Tim | November 22, 2007 10:59 AM

And also developing their younger players until Gil gets back.

Posted by: Tim | November 22, 2007 11:05 AM

Well said, Tim, it is truly a dream to think this team can be successful without bringing in at least one and maybe 2 more guys. One solution would be Dixon if they can get him back. He knows the system, can play PG to spell AD, and adds some more veteran leadership and backcourt production.

Posted by: Mitch | November 22, 2007 11:07 AM

Juan Dixon = good idea. Steve Francis = bad, horrible, awful idea. What the Wizards don't need is someone who will screw up the team spirit that this team has forged. To me that is what shone through in last night's win over Charlotte. That group showed a lot of guts and fought through a lot of mistakes to pull that game out. And without BTH to boot.
That made my Thanksgiving and I hope everyone else's Thanksgiving is just as good.

Posted by: George Templeton | November 22, 2007 11:08 AM

I would not mind having Juan Dixon back here at all. The question is, is there any practical way this could happen?

Posted by: Tim | November 22, 2007 11:14 AM

Please, please people. Why do we need Juan Dixon, another streaky, small guard with a so-so handle? We need someone who can give Daniels a breather. Caron at the 2 can work. Yes, we are all tired of Stevenson and Mason and wish there were other options. Young is getting better and just needs to get more gritty on D. The 2 guard spot is not the problem now. We need a solid, ball-handling, back up point guard. Otherwise we will get pressed to death. Dixon is not the answer, though we all like him. Blake would be great if available. Again what about Chase or Miles or someone who knows the system other than D Taylor?

Posted by: BmoreRev | November 22, 2007 11:32 AM

For Gil, I hope the information he is being given is right, and he can return before the playoffs, but everyone seems to agree this is a very optimistic perspective. I believe he is out for the year and comes back to play the final year of his contract next year. I see this as a trial for Gilbert which may eventually make him a better player and leader. Right now he is a little scary, all of the personal stuff about his girlfriend in his blog was way out there. Sad to say but he seems to have trapped himself within this Agent Zero character and is now compelled to be controversial at all times. I don't want his legacy to the jester of the NBA.

I really don't wish for the the Wiz to add any new bodies with the exception of the need to fill out a practice squad. Brendan will be back soon, hopefully Pecherov soon thereafter. Guard is thin but the continuity is so good with Daniels running the show. We must have kept Mason for some reason and I am willing to have him sub 10-15 min a game to sub Daniels. I would be an advocate for tracking down Aaron Miles from summer league however, he already knows the system to some extent, knows the players and is a pass first pg.

Not sure why some posters seem surprised that Caron has stepped up even more. He was the only member of the big three to show up the first 5 games and has put it to the floor since then. This is the guy we want to be the leader of this team.

Blatche has more opportunity than ever with Gil out and is siezing it. This progress may have been delayed by another year without our present circumstance. Also glad to see Nick and DMac getting worked in more.

I believe this team would have been a little over .500 for the year with Gil playing 40 min a night but would not have grown significantly. I believe this team can now play right around or just under .500 but will be a much deeper and co-dependent unit by the seasons end. If Gil comes back thereafter, and could play within the new team identity, we could be a true contender for the following year. I only see opportunity for improvement right now...

Posted by: Dr. Strangelove | November 22, 2007 11:35 AM

Steve would relish the idea playing at home. Players always plays hard against there home team to have bragging rights to there friends.Thats why he made thaose comments. Steve is also smart enough to know that he just cant come in here and try to run the team. He would be at most a back up point guard. People lets be real about this AD is a good player but in no way in hell will he make it playing the entire year at the minutes you know EJ is going to play him. When and not if AD goes down teams are going to press the hell out of us. Thats when things are going to fall apart we must get a ball handling guard in here ASAP. There is no player out there we can get Earl BOY are you for real, Donnell please. Get a real player in here please and thats STteve. If anyone cant think of a better player that is available please post

Posted by: d square | November 22, 2007 11:51 AM

Why does virtually everyone only throw out former UMD players as potential new Wizards? Steve Francis, Juan Dixon, Steve Blake....has anyone given John Lucas a call?

If there is consensus a roster move should be made, I would love for someone to be able to contribute a short list of free agents/D-league point guards currently available. I would love to know if I have even heard of the top 2-3 people on that list.

Posted by: Dr. Strangelove | November 22, 2007 11:59 AM

Bring Mike Hall back, and sign E. Boykins.

Posted by: hcosta | November 22, 2007 12:10 PM

Oh, no, don't re-sign Donell Taylor. Wizards need a true PG, even the summer league players (who are cheap in salary) are better than Taylor in running the offense. We have seen Taylor in pre-season, he simply does not know how to run offense. We have seen how Charlotte pressed the Wizards, that's what happen when you have only one true PG, and he obviously could not play for 48 minutes.

Talking about Gil's injury. He did not come back in 3 months after the 1st surgery, I don't think it is reasonable to expect that he will be able to come back after 3 months for this one (even though it is a "different kind" of micro fracture surgery). Even if he did come back, he would still need time to regain his old self, during which time his contribution to the team will be limited, and the risk to himself for getting another injury is quite high. It just does not make much sense to do so!

Posted by: Sagaliba | November 22, 2007 12:13 PM

"Why does virtually everyone only throw out former UMD players as potential new Wizards? Steve Francis, Juan Dixon, Steve Blake....has anyone given John Lucas a call?"

I don't know about virtually everyone, but my thinking is that Juan and Blake already know the offense here. Bmore Rev is right that Juan's handle isn't the best, but he can be adequate as a back-up, shoot-first point guard. I have no idea what it would take to get him and whether it would be feasible though....

But d-square's absolutely right, AD can't play 40 mins a game and we need a backup point-guard who can step in play.

Posted by: Mitch | November 22, 2007 12:14 PM

One last thought...I believe Daniels is more durable than people believe. He is not a pup but does seem like a professional and appears to take good care of his body. He is also a smaller guy and less inclined to some of the awkward fall injuries you see from the big folks.

I really like Daniels grit and feel with Butler we get great veteran leadership and good decision making.

Posted by: Dr. Strangelove | November 22, 2007 12:17 PM

We already got Juan Dixon and he wears #8(mason).Mason and Juan are a two guard in a point body and Lucas-LOL. My son is taller than lucas and Boykins even if one is standing on the others shoulders. LOL
If any one on the Houston team I would take is Aaron Brooks but I doubt his available. So we are back with Steve

Posted by: d square | November 22, 2007 12:28 PM

Aaron Miles is not available, playing for about half a mil for a Spanish team in Seville on a one year contract. I think Brian Chase is available though.

Posted by: rgz | November 22, 2007 12:28 PM

and Earl Boykins opted out of the last year of his contract with the Bucks ($3M), so you can probably be sure he wouldn't come to the Wizards for a 10-day contract.

Posted by: rgz | November 22, 2007 12:34 PM

rgz,
Too bad about Miles, he would have been a perfect role player for this team.

Don't know much about Chase but have heard good things on this board. Believe he tried to catch on with Miami but was cut. Has he played with any other teams previously? Also, what is his style of play? Thanks.

Posted by: Dr. Strangelove | November 22, 2007 12:44 PM

Is it just me or should we trade all of our top 10 picks for more second rounders. Would you rather have Blatche, Arenas, and McGuire or Hayes and Kwawme.

This proves that 2nd rounders work harder because they have something to prove.

Posted by: 2nd Rounder | November 22, 2007 1:02 PM

A couple of final thoughts - I think it's quite likely that Gil will take a polar opposite approach to rehab this time. Super cautious, and that it will take him longer to get his confidence back. So, even if he is physically ready to return in 3-4 months, isn't it highly unlikely he'll be back mentally? Why do superstars have to come back from their injuries and immediately resume their former roles? If not for the politics of it, it would make sense for Gil to return and come off the bench to sub for AD, playing only 15 mpg. But that's not going to happen.

Posted by: reispace | November 22, 2007 1:10 PM

"Why do superstars have to come back from their injuries and immediately resume their former roles? If not for the politics of it, it would make sense for Gil to return and come off the bench to sub for AD, playing only 15 mpg. But that's not going to happen.

Posted by: reispace | November 22, 2007 01:10 PM "

Forget politics. It's the players themselves with their self imposed pressure to perform.

If Gilby didn't boast about "Coming Out Party Part Deux" to Chicky Hernandez, or talk about how great his games were at Barry Farms, how he's feeling a rhythm, how he's biking around town, how he's running behind parachutes, how he's got a video game club, how he's def opting out, how he won't be here if AJ and CB are not resigned, his Adidas commercial hype with 36 models of his shoe, how he's a serious MVP candidate, how he's the best guard out there b/c other guards can't do what he can do, etc. then Gilby could just sit back and rest up. But, he's got to back up his big talk, and that's why he rushed back.

Remember, Gilby is a self described insecure guy, so his braggadocio gives himself confidence, but when he's hurt, there's nothing to take the place of performing on the court, so he's in pure misery right now.

Posted by: DC Man88 | November 22, 2007 1:22 PM

DC Man,

Go drink a glass full of hemlock. Then the rest of us will shout "Hallelujah!"

Posted by: Keithinator | November 22, 2007 2:20 PM

DC Moron - please...just shut your trap.

I'm sure you were out celebrating when news broke that Gil is out for 3 months.
Just go back to your Miami Heat message board and get outta here.

BTW, nice win last night. Butler was a beast and Blatche is starting to show some potential.

Posted by: Wizzz | November 22, 2007 2:41 PM

Is it just me or should we trade all of our top 10 picks for more second rounders. Would you rather have Blatche, Arenas, and McGuire or Hayes and Kwawme.

This proves that 2nd rounders work harder because they have something to prove.

-----
Interesting logic, but flawed. A + B does not equal c, although it may, it seems like you need more evidence.

Posted by: Skeef | November 22, 2007 2:52 PM

Deshauwn Stevenson for.... NOBODY!!

Just get this fool out of here..!!!!!!

Posted by: Fenty | November 22, 2007 2:52 PM

Dr. Strangelove, at 5' 9", Brian Chase is a speedy but undersized point guard out of Virginia Tech (99-02). He lives in Washington DC. He isn't young at 26 or 27 years old. He's played in the NBDL, CBA and ABA. He also spent 6 games on the bench for the Utah Jazz last year at the beginning of the season. He was on the Wizards summer team before playing in the Barry Farms summer league with Gilbert Arenas. That's where Shaq saw him, and recommended him to the Miami team. He was signed by the Heat but was cut before the season started. (probably to make way for Penny Hardaway) Technically he is no longer a rookie, so I don't know what the minimum salary would be for him. It still might be too high for the Wizards.

Posted by: rgz | November 22, 2007 3:08 PM

rgz,
Thanks for the excellent profile. I think the Wiz can be small at point with Brendan and Blatche in the game together, so much length between them. Sounds like money remains the real obstacle though.

Have a great Thanksgiving everyone. Go Wiz!

Posted by: Dr. Strangelove | November 22, 2007 3:23 PM

I still think Juan Dixon could be a good fit for the Wiz right now, although there are probably practical reasons (like money for one) why this won't happen.

I just remember how when Juan was with the Wiz he could come off the bench of a game in which the Wizards were lethargic and he could change the energy and score some points and help the team win.

He would only have to spell AD for a few minutes I think. He could also bring some three point offense off the bench if Mason and Young were cold or having bad nights.

This probably is not the role Dixon would want to play, but from what I here, coming off the bench in the above fashion may be his only ticket in the NBA.

Posted by: Tim | November 22, 2007 4:19 PM

Juan Dixon can't dribble. I'd trust Mason with the ball more than Dixon. While Mason won't create any baskets, he doesn't get his pocket picked like Juan. AD will not last the whole season, though. Anyone else notice that he hasn't fallen down much since he's been starting? I think he's playing a little more carefully.

Posted by: mark | November 22, 2007 7:45 PM

"Deshauwn Stevenson for.... NOBODY!!

Just get this fool out of here..!!!!!!

Posted by: Fenty | November 22, 2007 02:52 PM "

Funny.

Posted by: DC Man88 | November 22, 2007 8:16 PM

"DC Man,

Go drink a glass full of hemlock. Then the rest of us will shout "Hallelujah!"

Posted by: Keithinator | November 22, 2007 02:20 PM "

Keithavibrator,

Come drink a glass of my diarrhea and I will shout "bottoms up!"

Posted by: DC Man88 | November 22, 2007 8:17 PM

"DC Moron - please...just shut your trap.

I'm sure you were out celebrating when news broke that Gil is out for 3 months.
Just go back to your Miami Heat message board and get outta here.

BTW, nice win last night. Butler was a beast and Blatche is starting to show some potential.

Posted by: Wizzz | November 22, 2007 02:41 PM "

Oh, so Wizzinator is the loser who keeps linking me with being Clewiston 88 or whatever the F she thinks I am. Keep wizzing your wee wee, all over Lisa.

Posted by: DC Man88 | November 22, 2007 8:19 PM

I called this a long time ago:

"By the end of last season, more than a few players around the league thought Butler was the Wizards' best player and would say so. Butler isn't new to the scene anymore. He's an all-star, clearly the toughest player on the team. Antawn Jamison still can give you 20 points and 10 rebounds a game over a prolonged stretch."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/21/AR2007112102349.html

""As bad as I've started off I'm still better than 97 percent of the players that are playing right now," Arenas wrote. "I think I got a new name. It's still 'Agent Zero,' but instead of Agent Zero with the Hibachi as an arm, it's Agent Zero with Nacho as an arm because I've serving chips and dips. . . . ""

Too bad now, Gilby is worse than 97% of the players that are playing right now b/c of his bum knee. Talk about a total 180. Hope he's not eating those nachos and dip while he's easin' into his lazy boy for the next 3 months.

Posted by: DC Man88 | November 22, 2007 8:24 PM

in August, I posted on the Wizards web site that "Gilbert Arenas looks like he has about as much lift as the monument this town should build to commemorate all he has done here. Monuments have a hard time carrying NBA teams, as we found out with Michael Jordan. I hope the Wizards staff, the fans, and Gil himself don't rush him back into the starting lineup before his knee is ready."

With that predictable tragedy now behind us, I share the concern of others on this blog regarding the quality of the medical care Glbert is receiving - the rush to surgery by a team doctor (apparently without a second opinion), and that physician's prediction of a return to action in three months make me wonder if any lessons were learned the first time around.

Posted by: Old Man | November 22, 2007 8:25 PM

As I've said before, Les BouleS doctors have been as good as Les BouleS teams these past 2 decades. Once again, it was a Les BouleS doctor that performed the surgery:

"Team physician Marc Connell described the procedure in a statement released by the Wizards. "I repaired a partial tear of Gilbert's left medial meniscus," Connell said, who also used a technique known as microfracture to stimulate cartilage growth. "We are optimistic that he will be able to return to action in three months.""

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/21/AR2007112102583.html

Be afraid, be very afraid.

Posted by: DC Man88 | November 22, 2007 8:33 PM

2nd rounder, throw in Jared Jeffries with the bad 1st round picks.

Posted by: Brandon in PA | November 22, 2007 8:44 PM

DC Moron isn't going anywhere. The best advice I can give is scroll down to the bottom of each post before you read. If it's signed by DC Man88 then just ignore it.

Posted by: Anonymous | November 22, 2007 10:34 PM

"DC Moron isn't going anywhere. The best advice I can give is scroll down to the bottom of each post before you read. If it's signed by DC Man88 then just ignore it.

Posted by: | November 22, 2007 10:34 PM "

Back in the day, someone here suggested using a header and footer before all comments telling people not to read my comments. It's too bad that went away. Maybe you guys can bring it back.

In any regard, you can like what I write, or you can be disgusted with what I write, but for sure, a very high percentage of my predictions have come true, and my assessments are usually on point, so if you can't handle the truth, your best bet is to continue in your dream world.

Curse of Les BouleS returns, but I think this time, the team is good enough to withstand any losses of perceived "superstars."

Posted by: DC Man88 | November 22, 2007 11:02 PM

We shouldn't trade anyone to get another point guard. We can only dress nine or ten players right now. We can't afford to lose anyone to get a point guard.

That said, we need to sign a point guard. Brian Chase is available, and someone said Jared Jordan is, too.

Posted by: Anonymous | November 22, 2007 11:45 PM

Wizzinator. It speaks volumes that you render your assessment on the team based on one game. I guess since the 2nd Indiana game was the end all be all in rendering judgment, Les BouleS should quit while they're ahead.

Oh, BTW, what has Baron Davis won? Baron Davis is a great individual and explosively physical player, probably moreso than Gilby, and has evolved his game to include his teammates, but he's won nothing.

Posted by: DC Man88 | November 22, 2007 03:06 AM

Yo DCidiot, I never said that was end all game, I said that was when they STARTED to play with good defense and sharing the ball, with Gil starting. Then it continued onto the next game vs Minny, Gil getting 27 and 8 dimes.

BTW, Charles Barkley, Karl Malone, Kevin Garnett hasn't done anything either...yet. Did I say Baron Davis won anything? I just said that Gil is similar to Davis that they are both the best players on their respective teams, past and present.

Why don't you try to understand the post first before letting your hate of Gil get to you and throwing out dumb, non-pertinent remarks that have nothing to do with the point at hand?

Posted by: Takin' a Wiz | November 23, 2007 9:19 AM

Nick Young seems to be able to score pretty well. I think what we need is another true PG more than another scorer. Roger Mason for instance, can shoot pretty well if he has the feet set. However, pressing into PG duty, handling the ball, he does not have such a luxury, and his shooting percentage suffer.

I don't know how close Wizards is to the luxury tax, and whether or not a summer league type PG will put us over the luxury tax though.

Posted by: Sagaliba | November 23, 2007 10:37 AM

The problem is that the wiz are too close to luxury tax to sign anyone right now. They will probably wait until mid January ( i think ... or is it after the all star break ) when then can they start signing players to 10 day contracts without any ramifications towards the lux tax. I think they are about $300K under the lux tax. Since the league min is about $600K, they would be able to sign a player to a couple of 10 day contracts (to get past the mid-point of the season), then sign him on for the remainder of the season.

Posted by: 2cents4wiz | November 23, 2007 11:55 AM

Oh, so Wizzinator is the loser who keeps linking me with being Clewiston 88 or whatever the F she thinks I am. Keep wizzing your wee wee, all over Lisa.

Posted by: DC Man88 | November 22, 2007 08:19 PM

Haha...welcome back Clewiston. I see your heat are off to a rousing start with that 1 victory. No wonder you troll on our board.

Posted by: Wizzz | November 23, 2007 12:47 PM

Some guys that could be possiblities to add would be Donnell Taylor, Brian Chase, and Gerald Fitch. They've all played in our system. I think AD is fine as the starter, we just need to pickup someone to back him up. A guy I've wondered about is Jay Williams. I know he was trying to come back. Mason adds the demension of a 3pt shooter at pg, and I think he can do ok. Plus using him there should open some more pt at the 2 for Young.

Posted by: Darnell | November 23, 2007 1:16 PM

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