Daniels in good shape, Gilbert speaks

An update on Antonio Daniels, who appeared to tweak his right knee during the second half of last night's game at Milwaukee, and was grimmacing on the bench for a few moments after he came out: he was in practice gear and worked out today with his teammates at VC and should be good to go tomorrow against Seattle. That's good news.

Also, Gilbert Arenas dropped by towads the end of practice today and spoke at length about his injury, his rehab and a possible date of return. He didn't really say anything new but did say that he is coming along well, recently got off of his crutches and isn't feeling any pain in the knee. He hasn't set a firm timetable for a possible return, saying he could be back anytime between the middle of February and the middle of March as long as the knee is coming along.

Clearly, he is not going to push himself too hard as he did this summer when he held marathon shooting sessions, played pick-up at Barry Farms and otherwise strained the knee. By the way, tomorrow is Gilbert's birthday.

"It all depends on how I feel," he said when asked about a possible return. "I have to protect the rest of my career too so I won't jeopardize that for just 15 games if I'm not 100 percent. If it's aching, if I'm out here practicing and it's swelling up, then, I'll see you next year."

He also indicated that he could base his decision on how the team is doing. The Wizards (16-15) are 13-10 since he last played and have won two of the last three. They've done it by beating up on some of the league's dregs like Charlotte, Minnesota, Milwaukee etc., but that's fine because there are a lot of teams like that. Right now, the Wiz have the fourth best winning percentage in the East.

"If we have a chance to go far with me playing in the playoffs, then I'll say yeah," Arenas said. "If not, then I'll shut it down and just rehab."

Translation from a guy who has covered Gil for three years: He's coming back as soon as he thinks the knee is sound. No way I see him sitting out all the way until next year. The guy misses it too much. And, if he does come back in good shape, this will suddenly become the most dangerous team in the East after Boston and Detroit (in my humble opinion) Caron Butler is playing the best ball of his life. Ditto for Antawn Jamison. We've seen enough of the "new" Brendan Haywood to project that he's not going to slide back into old ways. He's playing very well as is Daniels, Mason, and at times, Blatche.

Assuming that Gilbert takes until mid March to see game action, he'd have between 15 and 20 games to help with the playoff push, get his legs back, hone his shot and get ready for the playoffs.

By Ivan Carter |  January 5, 2008; 3:16 PM ET
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Nice analysis, Ivan. Arenas is so strange. It's impossible to know what he's going to do with his rehab.

Posted by: Keithinator | January 5, 2008 8:01 PM

Imagine Gilbert Arenas as the 6th man playing against reserves in mid-March. I can't imagine him coming back and starting immediately. Gil playing for 15 to 20 minutes off of the bench could potentially be explosive.

Posted by: VJ | January 5, 2008 11:23 PM

Good post, Ivan. Thanks much.

Posted by: pjkiger1 | January 6, 2008 12:34 AM

...one thing I guess I have not missed is Gilbertology. But it sure would nice to have a guard who can consistently put up 20+ per game.

Posted by: oddjob | January 6, 2008 12:57 AM

I think Arenas' is doing everything exactly right, like he said, why does he want to jeopardize his career for 15 games?

He doesn't owe the Wizards any more than what he's given already, before he came here we were a national joke, he singlehandedly gave us credibility and put us back on the map again.

As far as I'm concerned, he's already paid Pollin back for the $65 million, now is the time for him to start thinking about himself.

Posted by: juandixonformvp | January 6, 2008 4:17 AM

Yes, I agree completely with last comment. Gilbert Arenas has been the best thing that has happened to the Wizards franchise since the glory days of the mid to late 70s. He has more than justified the investment management made in signing him to his original contract.

I continue to think that, if the current roster continue to play as well as they have and if Gilbert is able to return to the lineup in mid to late March, the Wizards will be able to make things interesting fairly deep into the playoffs.

Posted by: Khrabb | January 6, 2008 6:02 AM

key for today's game against the Sonics: second chance points. That means when Jamison has the ball, Haywood and Butler get closer to the goal. I've seen too many possessions where Jamison shoots a three from the corner, and the rest of the team is already moving away from the goal.

And a suggestion for Blatche and McGuire: don't hang your head and look down after a missed basket or error. Raise your head, maintain your full court peripheral vision and be ready for anything.

Posted by: rgz | January 6, 2008 11:01 AM

"I think Arenas' is doing everything exactly right, like he said, why does he want to jeopardize his career for 15 games?

He doesn't owe the Wizards any more than what he's given already, before he came here we were a national joke, he singlehandedly gave us credibility and put us back on the map again.

As far as I'm concerned, he's already paid Pollin back for the $65 million, now is the time for him to start thinking about himself.

Posted by: juandixonformvp | January 6, 2008 04:17 AM "

What's the point of constantly talking about updates on Gilby's status? He'll come back when he comes back, and that's not for another 2 months if at all.

Gilby was out for almost 1/2 year after the injury last season and came back and the team started 0-5 and Gilby didn't have much of an impact. If he comes back in Feb-March, there's no guarantee whether he'll return to anything near his previous form at all.

Also, the NBA is a business. It's not what you've done for me lately, but what are you going to do for me now. All the players are overpaid to play this game, so it's silly to say he's paid Pollin back.

Posted by: DC Man88 | January 6, 2008 11:27 AM

DCMan88 shows his clear dislike of Gilbert and his complete lack of knowledged regarding economics. Gilbert and other superstars in the NBA are not overpaid based on the amount of money they generate for their franchises. The amount of money and interest Arenas has brought and continues to bring to the Washington Wizards has significantly increased the value of the Wizards as a franchise and made Abe Pollin even richer. There are players that are overpaid but the superstars of this league the draw in the fans and are the reason people buy NBA apparrel will never be compensated in based salary enough to cover to revenue they generate.

The people running sports franchises are very smart people -- the are not in this game to lose money and while $16M might seem like too much for money but trust me, these players produce more money for their company than the $30K employee at other companies.

Posted by: Chad | January 6, 2008 12:01 PM

DCMan88 shows his clear dislike of Gilbert and his complete lack of knowledged regarding economics. Gilbert and other superstars in the NBA are not overpaid based on the amount of money they generate for their franchises. The amount of money and interest Arenas has brought and continues to bring to the Washington Wizards has significantly increased the value of the Wizards as a franchise and made Abe Pollin even richer. There are players that are overpaid but the superstars of this league the draw in the fans and are the reason people buy NBA apparrel will never be compensated in based salary enough to cover to revenue they generate.

The people running sports franchises are very smart people -- the are not in this game to lose money and while $16M might seem like too much for money but trust me, these players produce more money for their company than the $30K employee at other companies.

Posted by: Chad | January 6, 2008 12:01 PM

that's true because I have bought several Wizard tshirts over the past 3years since Gilbert came to the team and made them winners (and gone to games since Gilbert came). Before then, more of a Redskins fan.

Posted by: Anonymous | January 6, 2008 1:31 PM

Against Sonics, they built a sizeable lead in the 1st quarter, but only to see the lead got wipe out at the beginning of the 2nd quarter when the reserves came in.

Wizards' reserves really need to shape up and not become the Achilles' heal of the team.

Posted by: Sagaliba | January 6, 2008 2:16 PM

"DCMan88 shows his clear dislike of Gilbert and his complete lack of knowledged regarding economics. Gilbert and other superstars in the NBA are not overpaid based on the amount of money they generate for their franchises. The amount of money and interest Arenas has brought and continues to bring to the Washington Wizards has significantly increased the value of the Wizards as a franchise and made Abe Pollin even richer. There are players that are overpaid but the superstars of this league the draw in the fans and are the reason people buy NBA apparrel will never be compensated in based salary enough to cover to revenue they generate.

The people running sports franchises are very smart people -- the are not in this game to lose money and while $16M might seem like too much for money but trust me, these players produce more money for their company than the $30K employee at other companies.

Posted by: Chad | January 6, 2008 12:01 PM "

Again, let's retire the idiotic chit chat about Gilby until he's actually on the court. What matters is wins and losses, and the healthy players on this team have done a great job since Gilby has been absent from the team. Put another 11 million dollar healthy player on this roster and our record would be even better.

Posted by: DC Man88 | January 6, 2008 2:24 PM

"that's true because I have bought several Wizard tshirts over the past 3years since Gilbert came to the team and made them winners (and gone to games since Gilbert came). Before then, more of a Redskins fan.

Posted by: | January 6, 2008 01:31 PM "

Cool, and I'm sure you wear those t-shirts proudly during the playoffs.

Posted by: DC Man88 | January 6, 2008 2:24 PM

Arenas should sit for the year. The Wizards, even with him, ain't contending. Better sit out and return next year ...

A good link: http://www.hoopsvibe.com/nba-blog/message-for-gilbert-arenas-don-t-return-to-washington-wizards-this-season-ar46874.html

Peace. Thanks for great coverage Ivan and Mike ...

EU

Posted by: EU | January 6, 2008 3:30 PM

Ivan, how did you score that courtside seat today, instead of your usual perch next to Section 103?

Posted by: Section101 | January 6, 2008 4:21 PM

Good win. As far as the second quarter bench letdown goes, clearly we do not have a scorer the caliber (or salary) of Wally Wonder coming off the bench. Looked like decent bench work from Songaila and Mason, whilst our rookies played like rookies and so for that matter did the more highly touted Sonic rookies!

Actually, when you think about it a bit, someone like Wally Sczerbiak would be a nice fit for the Wizards but alas the dreaded salary cap...

Posted by: khrabb | January 6, 2008 4:31 PM

Cool, and I'm sure you wear those t-shirts proudly during the playoffs.

Posted by: DC Man88 | January 6, 2008 02:24 PM
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Yep, sure did - wore them proudly.

Posted by: Anonymous | January 6, 2008 4:31 PM

According to the ESPN trade machine, Gilbert Arenas makes $12M a year, it's Antawn who's getting $16M/year. I wonder if NBA teams take out some form of sports injury insurance on their players. Is there a financial justification for that? Any insurance guys or actuarians out there that can give us some idea?

Posted by: rgz | January 6, 2008 5:18 PM

I went to the game this afternoon and it was quite clear the Sonics have a long way to go...not sure why a # of other teams have had trouble with them. Clearly the best 3 players on the floor were CB, AJ and AD. Wally stroked it when the reserves were in and didnt cover him, otherwise he was not really a factor.

I think that is how I will measure CB and AJ from now until the allstar game--are either of them the best player on the floor in any given game? This should provide a true measure as to whether or not either or both belong on the allstar team.

I sat in the 4th row across from the Wiz bench and in front of me was this guy who seemed to know many of the players and refs personally. I think his name is Miles Rawls, commissioner of the Goodman League and I think he runs an AllStar Summer Camp too. Anyway, he has a knack for getting the attention of select individual players and even refs when they are on the court during free throws and breaks in the action. He has got a loud voice and really gets under their skin, in a funny way, e.g. he repeatidly told Kurt Thomas he was a "flopper" after a bogus foul was called on BH early in the game. Thomas eventually spun around and singled Miles out and glared at him for 10-20 seconds and shook his head in exasperation. Later in the game after RM dunked the ball after a steal by AD, Miles chirped "Nice play Roger...didn't even know you could dunk," which illicited a smirk and a hand gesture from RM directed at Miles. Miles has a steady stream of commentary that is pretty funny, but it is even funnier to see the players on the floor, while the game is going on react to it!

Btw, NY has really regressed...wonder what is wrong with him. Perhaps all the grief and joking GA is doing with him ("i can score that much on crutches"..."you call that a highlight dunk?") is messing with NY's head. Perhaps if GA grew up a little and seriously took NY under his wing and mentored him, something positive would come out it.

Posted by: oddjob | January 6, 2008 5:47 PM

Not being a pathological GA hater, I have to confess that I do care about when the Wizards are going to get a second-team all-NBA, 29 ppg scorer who regularly makes game-winning shots back in the lineup. The Wizards, to their credit, are doing great without him, but they're getting those wins mostly against mediocre or outright bad teams. Look at how Detroit crushed the Wiz a couple of games ago. Last year, with GA in the lineup, the Wiz beat them two in a row, away and home.
That said, if he doesn't make it back this year, so be it. Young, Mason and Blatche are going to get more minutes and more touches, and that will accelerate their development. If you're going to get to the level of Detroit, it really helps to have a strong bench like they do.

Posted by: John Brisker | January 6, 2008 5:51 PM

"Yep, sure did - wore them proudly.

Posted by: | January 6, 2008 04:31 PM "

I'm sure Gilby thanks you too as your purchase of those shirts helped him put in that pool and grotto.

Posted by: DC Man88 | January 6, 2008 6:53 PM

"

Not being a pathological GA hater, I have to confess that I do care about when the Wizards are going to get a second-team all-NBA, 29 ppg scorer who regularly makes game-winning shots back in the lineup. The Wizards, to their credit, are doing great without him, but they're getting those wins mostly against mediocre or outright bad teams. Look at how Detroit crushed the Wiz a couple of games ago. Last year, with GA in the lineup, the Wiz beat them two in a row, away and home.
That said, if he doesn't make it back this year, so be it. Young, Mason and Blatche are going to get more minutes and more touches, and that will accelerate their development. If you're going to get to the level of Detroit, it really helps to have a strong bench like they do.

Posted by: John Brisker | January 6, 2008 05:51 PM "

Yeah, can't wait to get a guy back who helped Les BouleS to an 0-5 record to kick the season off. It's not about being a "hater." That's an all too popular and very much overused word to disguise the truth.

Again, let's not waste time talking about (dreaming in your case) a player who might not hit the lineup for another 2 months, if at all. Focus should be on this team and it's current players who aren't using Gilby's absence as a crutch or excuse for their season.

Les BouleS can't make excuses for the wins they have. A win is a win, be it a good team or bad team. As Ivan said in his chat, there are a lot of mediocre teams out there.

Who knows, maybe Gilby has already played his last game in a Les BouleS uniform. Don't care either way.

Posted by: DC Man88 | January 6, 2008 6:58 PM

And we don't care what YOU think 88! You are the one ALWAYS bringing up Gilbert. You hunt down things to post about him so your comment is so asinine - as usual.

Posted by: Lisa_R | January 6, 2008 7:01 PM

Gilby's name needs to be put to rest until he comes back. Let's focus on the players actually playing. Yay!

Posted by: DC Man88 | January 6, 2008 7:08 PM

DCMan
Let's be reasonable, 0-5 at the beginning of this season, okay right. How about the Wiz's mid season stretch last year when they put together one of the best records in the league with Gil, Antawn and Caron operating as a premier unit.
I like the team concept the Wiz are playing with sans Gil but if Gil can integrate into that when he comes back and with Haywood playing well the only the Wiz lack is bench depth to challenge for supremacy in the East.

Posted by: myshkin | January 6, 2008 7:16 PM

Oddjob

I think it a bit of an overstatement to say that he has regressed. Inconsistency is I think a better way to put it, and frankly ups and downs are to be expected from a rookie. He had some nice games early in the season, but played badly in the two games he started. Then he had seveal excellent games coming off the bench. Now that AD is back and Deshawn has picked up his games, NY's minutes are likely to be limited.

Also, I wouldn't be so quick to attribute his difficulties to the razzing from Gilbert. That's just the way that vets treat rookies and it is all in good fun. As for Gilbert deflating NY's confidence, I was at the Atlanta game (where NY missed a potential game tying 3-pointer at the end of the game). I noted that Gilbert (who was still on crutches at the time) immediately hopped over to NY and gave him what was obviously a pep talk.

As far as inconsistency goes, I worry more about AB at this point. He doesn't have the excuse of being a rookie. The good news is that he consistently brings energy when he is on the court, but sometimes seems to be lost on offense. Perhaps, as GM has pointed out, his troubles stem from the fact that the opposing teams now have a book on him - and are starting to body him up. The coaches need to work with him on how to use his quickness to counteract the tactics that are being deployed against him.

Posted by: PK1 | January 6, 2008 7:24 PM

NY has indeed regressed. So has AB. In the preseason we were all extolling how much better this team's bench would be compared to last year's bench. But the big differences in the bench at this point in the season over last year are that DSong is healthy, Roger is playing with confidence, the conflict between BTH and Etan is temporarily suspended, and Eddie isn't playing the back-up 4 as the back-up 5 in misguided efforts at smallball.

Right about now I'd take Ruff over D-Mac and Jarvis over Nick Young.

Posted by: Prazak | January 6, 2008 7:30 PM

Late last year when the Wiz would lose even one of the Big Three to injury, they would promptly start losing more games than they would win.

This year the Wiz have lost not only GA, but have had other injuries to contend with but still have remained around .500. If their current level of play continues they would probably make the playoffs even if GA does not come back this season.

I can think of three reasons for the improved play over late last year:
1. Better defense.
2. Improved play from key players: BH, CB and AJ.
3. More contributions from the bench.

What do other members of the board think?

Posted by: Tim | January 6, 2008 7:40 PM

I agree Tim. Anybody here mentioning Gilby is just reaching for hope in am empty bag. Let's wait and see what Gilby looks like after his first workout and then start talking about him. Right now, he's not part of what's taking place on the court.

If NY has indeed regressed, it's understandable and expected. If he was still in college, 32 games means his season is over. NY needs to get his second wind, and he'll be fine. If this team is hedging it's success this season on NY, then that's a sad testament on the state of Les BouleS.

Posted by: DC Man88 | January 6, 2008 8:39 PM

"retire the idiotic chit chat about Gilb[ert Arenas]"

Hysterical. New posters, don't be misled that this is just a dissatisfied fan; this is a true whack job.

Posted by: Anonymous | January 6, 2008 8:51 PM


"Late last year when the Wiz would lose even one of the Big Three to injury, they would promptly start losing more games than they would win." -Tim
One reason you neglected to mention, Antonio Daniels is running the team, when he went down recently they struggled. He doesn't put up big numbers but he seems to be the catalyst that makes the team better than the sum of its parts.

Posted by: myshkin | January 6, 2008 8:59 PM

I agree myshkin, I think the play of AD is another reason they have been able to do well.

Posted by: Tim | January 6, 2008 9:07 PM

Nevermind all the pointless chit chat about Gilby, a more pressing issue is what the heck is going on with AB. He did great during the preseason, started off the season doing well, and now has fallen deep into the bench. He's having very little impact on the team's success right now. Let's hope he's not in EJ doghouse.

http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=280106027

I'm sure Ivan knows why AB was excused from practice recently, but hasn't written about it.

Posted by: DC Man88 | January 6, 2008 10:13 PM

Wiz host Houston Tuesday, a .500 team that was supposed to be a lot better. They've been playing without Tracy McGrady the last few games, including a win over the hapless Knicks but also over Orlando at home.
I haven't a clue but it should be interesting.

Posted by: Myshkin | January 6, 2008 10:19 PM

What's up with all the hate for Arenas? I agree that he isn't the sole reason why the Wizards have turned into a pretty good team recently (Butler, Jamison, etc.) but he's brought much more excitement and helped to earn many more wins for a franchise that had been stumbling for years and years.

He's one of the best players in the league and even though he won't be returning for a while, he shouldn't just be forgotten like he hasn't done anything.

I read someone defending their dislike of Arenas by saying "what has he done lately." Come on, the man is injured and would give everything he has to be on the court right now to help this team.

The Wizards have shown significant improvement this year, and they're playing well without Arenas. Would his return slow down some of that progress at first? It probably would, but they're a completely different team with him on the court.

I'd love to get the chance to see a healthy Arenas playing with an improved team, even if I have to wait until next season.

Posted by: Krem | January 6, 2008 11:21 PM

One other thing -- most Wizards fans care about the team without Arenas just as much as they do with him. They still support whatever team is on the court, and that's the same as the situation right now.

But that doesn't mean discussing Arenas's situation isn't important or relevant.

Posted by: Krem | January 6, 2008 11:27 PM

Krem,

You must be new to the blog....it's one person who is insanely jealous of Gilbert that is making those insane comments.

Posted by: Anonymous | January 6, 2008 11:46 PM

Ivan,

You da man! Keep doing what you do...love your blogs!

Posted by: Ali Z | January 7, 2008 12:38 AM

I think Arenas' is doing everything exactly right, like he said, why does he want to jeopardize his career for 15 games?

He doesn't owe the Wizards any more than what he's given already, before he came here we were a national joke, he singlehandedly gave us credibility and put us back on the map again.

As far as I'm concerned, he's already paid Pollin back for the $65 million, now is the time for him to start thinking about himself.
Posted by: juandixonformvp | January 6, 2008 04:17 AM

While I agree that Gilbert shouldn't risk his long-term health or career to rush back this season, I have to disagree with some of the rationale you offer in support of the argument.

Gilbert didn't do anything "singlehandedly." Grunfeld, Jordan, and (esp.) Jamison all are owed a major share of the credit in lifting the team from the culture of losing it was mired in for decades.

As for what he owes the Wizards ... like every other player getting paid a king's ransom to play a children's game in their underwear, he owes the team his best effort on the court. If his injury prohibits him from giving that, then so be it. No one, not Gilbert or the organization, gains anything by him worsening the injury in a vain attempt to show how tough he is (just ask Grant Hill). But if he is deemed physically ready to go before this season is over with no extra risk of injury presented by his condition, then he does have an obligation to the coach the organization, the fans, and his teammates to suit up.

Posted by: kalorama | January 7, 2008 1:25 AM

If Gilbert is cleared to play by the team physicians, coaches etc, he will play. He knows what is at stake in terms of contracts and he will do what is asked of him. Make no mistake about that. I agree with Ivan on this one. Also, is it me or does Nick Young seems to lack intensity when he is playing. He always appear a little lackadsical to me.

Posted by: Anonymous | January 7, 2008 7:42 AM

We need GA in order to do anything significant this year. We've made it to the playoffs and even won a round (with him leading us). Now that CB has stepped us his game even more, AJ is rebounding like an all star and BTH is being utilized like a big man should be, GA could put us over the top. In my opinion, it's entirely reasonable to be asking "what next" at this point of the season. We're pretty sure we'll make the playoffs. We all want to speculate on whether GA will be able to put us over the top. I think that the answer is yes. In his last game before he shut it down, he was playing well and that's with a bad knee. After rehabbing properly this time, there's no reason to think he won't be able to be the same guy he was before the injury. The reports from the doctors were that he would be 100% after rehab. It's not like he's Jay Williams or Bobby Hurley. At his age, he should be able to come back and be the same player he was before. I've had both microfracture and meniscus surgery. He'll be as good as new.

Posted by: mark | January 7, 2008 7:56 AM

Anon, Isn't this about the time that rookies hit the wall? The college season is about 30 games or so. Maybe we can blame that for NY's performances.
Sorry, AB. No excuses for you.

Posted by: mark | January 7, 2008 7:58 AM

If the season ended today, Les BouleS would be in the playoffs and would be the 4th seed without Gilby.

Better standing than with Les BouleS last season with barely the 8th seed and almost eliminated.

Posted by: DC | January 7, 2008 8:42 AM

Above post.

Posted by: DC Man88 | January 7, 2008 8:44 AM

I am not sure if it is him hitting the wall. He just appears to me to be a bit lazy or something. I can't put my finger on it. He just doesn't appear to be hustling as much as the rest of the team. Next time the Wiz play, just check out his demeanor on the court. It almost appear that mentally he is somewhere else. I am not bashing Young and I know he is a rookie but I would just like to see a little more intensity from him when on the court. Maybe he would quit fouling so quickly when he comes in the game. But, from what I understand, Young, Blatche and McGuire are going to be separated in the lockeroom. It appears that they are playing around too much and not focusing on the game at hand. Maybe that is why Nick appears to lack focus when he is out there on the court. I do know that from the article in both the Post and the Times, that the rookies are not maturing fast enough.

Posted by: Anonymous | January 7, 2008 9:02 AM

Maybe we are expecting too much from NY. His role as a rookie on a playoff team should really be to listen and learn yet we are expecting him to contribute. He teased us with his talent and now we want him to show up every game. Even DS doesn't do that. Again, no excuse for AB because he's been in the league and should know his way around and what it takes to succeed. Not many rookies come in and show consistency. Should we lower our expectations and try to rely more on veterans like Songaila?
I don't know whether joking around in the locker room has anything to do with the focus on the court. Rather than separating them, how about EJ sitting them down and telling them point blank that their commitment in and after practice is going to be reflected in their minutes? You don't want to show up and shoot after practice or do what it takes to improve, you gets no minutes. Rookies realize that minutes=production and production=big contract. Hit them in their pockets.

Posted by: mark | January 7, 2008 9:16 AM

DC Man88...
Other than you being a complete idiot, why do you only mention the first 5 games of the season when describing GA's contribution to this season?

Our first 5 games where against 4 current play-off teams (BOS, NJ, ORL, DEN) and IND, who are 1 game out. EJ has even confessed that the first five games were as much the coaches fault as it was the players, trying to completely change the identity of the team.

Lets not go over the stats of the first 5 games. CB had 24 turnovers. AJ was shooting 33%. DS was shooting 17%. GA was struggling too.

Why not talk about the next 3 games where GA had 25 assists? All wins. While averaging 25 points.

Here is the list of big wins we've had without GA.

1. Dallas

Thats the list...

Sure , you can put the first Miami game in there as a big psychological win, but Miami stinks. Toronto? No Bosh. Portland? They weren't the same Portland early in the season.

Here is the list of bad losses we've had without GA.

1. Memphis (horrible team, played zero D)
2. Chicago (down Bulls squad come into DC and we play uninspired)
3. Atlanta (back to back home loss)
4. Detroit (not that we lost, that we didnt compete)

And you know what, the schedule gets harder and the season doesnt end now, it ends in April. Last year the Wizards went 2 - 11 without GA and CB. They were 3 - 6 when it was just CB lost. That why they were the 8th seed. It would be logical to conclude that that 5 - 17 record couldve been 11- 11 if GA and CB werent injured. That puts us at 47 - 35, that puts us 1st in the Southeast and the 3 seed.

Come correct, drop some knowledge and speak the truth when you comment on the Wizards or just continue to look like a moron.

Posted by: JSchon | January 7, 2008 9:31 AM

Good points, JSchon. It's easy to forget guys' contributions when they're injured but GA was and will be the best player on this team even with the improvement of CB. Ppl tend to forget that he averaged 6 assists per game in the games he played this year, which leads the team still. AD is at 5.2. Granted he turned the ball over too much but the whole team was out of sync early this year.
Even Ivan has stated that this team is ok without Gilbert but cannot compete on a regular basis with the good teams in this league unless he's in the lineup.

Posted by: mark | January 7, 2008 10:11 AM

Interesting little peice in this morning's Post. Seems that Daniels, Jamison, and Butler are planning a little house keeping in the Wizards lockerroom. They feel the youngsters are being a little too loose in their pregame preperation.

Glad the Vets are taking the lead in getting everbody down to business. Years ago Earl Weaver used to let Frank & Brooks Robertson and their Kangaroo Court handle fines and such in the Orioles club house. Sometimes the players are tougher on each other and expect more then a coach can ask.

Oddjob, can't confess smoking anything since my Maryland days back in the 70's. And I confess, I did inhale.
If you read Mark's response we were having a discussion and I think he understood what we were talking about. If our discussion was over your head, you really don't have to read our posts. If you've got something to add it's always welcome.

My point was and still is, if you are the most physically gifted player on the team and your game is not producing results you have to look at what the guys around you that get results are doing.

In Blatche's case team's have adjusted how they play him, he hasn't, yet. Blatche has very sloppy footwork particularly in the lane where it's got to be very precise. If I were him I'd look at the slowest most vertically challenged guy on the team and try an figure out how and the hell does he get a shot off. Because right now Blatche is really struggling in there.

Why go to the slow guy that can't jump? Because he's probably been having to work on his footwork since Junior High to make it this far. Did they have Jr. High in the former Soviet Union? Songaila sometimes looks like he's running in quicksand going up and down the court. But in the lane his footwork is sure and quick.

Jamison is another guy that could really teach Blatche alot about post play and how to use his quickness. But so much is so unorthodox about Jamison's moves I don't know that he's the best fundamental guy to go to.

Several had questioned why Blatche was struggling, I didn't know that a conversation about it was supposed to be limited to 20 words or less. Or confined to such insights "as he sucks".

Pro sports of any kind are about constant adjustments, all of these guys that teams spend alot of money on are being paid to pick up on something when they watch game film.

If a 50 some year old guy with a DVR can see it, I'm sure teams have seen how to adjust to Blatche. Next moves up to him.

Posted by: GM | January 7, 2008 10:33 AM

My two cents on Blatche...
He doesnt suck...
He just isnt that good... yet
He is the youngest player on the team, he really didnt play last year and he didnt play his first year cause he got shot...
He isnt far removed from playing High School kids... HIGH SCHOOL... compared to grown men... huge difference...
I'm glad we have hime signed for the next 5 years because his coming out party aint going to be this year...

He needs to work on a lot of things physically and mentally... He'll be fine, give him time...

Posted by: JSchon | January 7, 2008 10:46 AM

Great posts guys. It's nice to read posts that offer something substantial regarding the Wizards and not name calling and personal attacks on the players. I commented earlier about the vets taking the rookies to task. They know better what is happening in the locker room than anyone else. And as I said earlier, maybe this will help Nick Young be a little more focused on the floor and it may also bring DMac along a little quicker. Jamison got on Blatche last year about his off the court conditioning and about how he should be at the gymn way before the vets for extra work. I for one am glad to see the Vets take the Rooks to task because this is not college ball and the stakes are more higher. Especially after the AllStar break.

Posted by: Anonymous | January 7, 2008 11:10 AM

I say let's not waste time talking about someone who's not playing on the team right now and won't be for 2 more months, if that, and focus on the great play of this team now.

Posted by: DC Man88 | January 7, 2008 11:32 AM

AB is better suited to playing in an up and down game obviously. I'm not sure he has a C skill set though he's a good shot blocker. If he played for Phoenix, he'd be all star caliber. Does Stoudemire REALLY have that much more skill than Blatche? He has more experience because he started out of the gate. He's also probably a little more athletic. AB has better ball handling skills, though. We just need to put the man in a position to succeed. That position might be PF or SF until he gets stronger.

Posted by: mark | January 7, 2008 11:40 AM

...AB is also a much better passer that Stoudemire.

Posted by: mark | January 7, 2008 11:41 AM

JSchon, I'd agree 100% with everything you had to say about Blatche. Most guys will at some point have to figure out that if it was easy, we'd all be out there doing it.

When a guy needs work on strength he needs to get in the weightroom. If he needs work on his footwork, turn to a Vet that has good footwork.

Along that line Haywood really does need to be complimented for all the hard work he put in last year breaking his game back down to basics to improve his footwork in the paint.

He layed the groundwork for this year's improvement working with Hubbard, Wes Jr. and Grant and hr. before gametime last year. Many times when Haywood was doing that lane work Blatche was taking three's and dribbling behind his back.

But the kid's got to get enough courttime and get schooled a little before he was going to realize it's not a walk,or game, in the park.

Posted by: GM | January 7, 2008 11:55 AM

Mark, Stoudemire's got better footwork in the lane and is stronger then Blatche. Both are things that Blatche can improve on with work.

If he puts it in he could be a player of that impact here. And I'd agree Blatche is more of a forward then a center. A spate of injury and illness thrust him into that role.

Posted by: GM | January 7, 2008 12:06 PM

I think Les BouleS should put AB wherever AB's abilities will thrive. Clearly, AB is not a back to the basket guy nor does he want bulk up so that he can get tangled up with the big guys down low.

There just comes a time when management has to realize that you're going to get average results from a player who doesn't fit into the system or what they dream him out to be, and realize that he may be better off and the team better off, if you put him in a position to thrive where he's playing to his strengths. Once he's honed those areas of strength, then can he develop the other areas.

Posted by: DC Man88 | January 7, 2008 12:14 PM

I think AB fits into the system, I think he just needs to put in extra time to hone up on his skills during the offseason like Caron,Haywood and others did during the offseason. He has the skills he just needs to understand that there is more to it than the mandatory practices if he really wants to excel. And as another poster said, he is still relatively young and I do believe he will get it. Apparently so does the Wiz brass hence the 5 year contract. He will get there I truly believe that.

Posted by: Anonymous | January 7, 2008 12:21 PM

I think Les BouleS brass signed AB not based on what he's done, but based out of fear that he's going to go somewhere else and thrive.

AB needs to the PT to thrive, and the offensive scheme to go with it. It'd be a total waste if AB ends up like Lavar Arrington where they tried to make a killer pass rusher into a TE covering linebacker. Lavar was doing more damage to other teams being one dimensional than he did as an all around wannabe.

Posted by: DC Man88 | January 7, 2008 12:37 PM

We could put him at shooting guard like Seattle and get blown out by 20 every night. I can't name one team in NBA history that's won with a 7' shooting gaurd. Guys are destroying Durant by breaking him down in space or back dooring him, Blatche would suffer the same fate.

No matter what position the kid plays he needs to refine his footwork. He'd never last 5 minutes guarding guys on the perimeter. They'd break him down and leave him in the dust or run him off of picks or around screens til his head would spin.

He's sure not a two or even a three. Other then getting more minutes with Haywood or possibly Pecherov along side him (in another 2 or 3 weeks) I'm not sure where you're suggesting moving him to.

And since we have a three that can't get on the floor now that would bury McGuire even deeper.

Posted by: GM | January 7, 2008 12:55 PM

How significant is EJ's latest call for the bench and the younger players to step up? And that the veterans want to break up the little pre-game party atmosphere?

Maybe Wiz's need to pickup a veteran bench player to give some more guidance to the young players.

I see a move coming up in the next couple of weeks if the players don't listen to EJ's warning.

Posted by: SteveMG | January 7, 2008 12:56 PM

AB and Young scored 2 pts each. This is definitely not enough. I also feel that EJ should not put too many reserves in at the same time like he did at the beginning of the 2nd quarter. Put them in one at a time instead. Again, do so in practice, mixing reserves with the starters, and not just 1st unit against 2nd unit (don't know if they did it or not, but I think this is necessary).

Posted by: Sagaliba | January 7, 2008 1:04 PM

I don't imagine AB at SG...he's more suited as a SF. Caron is shooting well enough to be a 2.

Posted by: DC Man88 | January 7, 2008 1:08 PM

Either way he'll be guarding guys on the perimeter that are faster than he is. Without improving his footwork he'll be badly exposed.

Then who play's backup inside at center and power forward? If Blatche draws two or thre silly fouls playing the three then a team will turn around and pound us inside.

I can't see letting one game where he got overmatched inside(Detriot)change the Wizards whole rotation.

Posted by: GM | January 7, 2008 1:24 PM

Although DC Man88 would only have us talking about the now in regards to the Wizards, I think looking in the past and to the future is also fun and relevant.

I think the Wizards brass are hoping the AB can fill the void left by the departure of AJ.

My personal opinion is that AJ will want a 4/5yr max contract. Thats at least 60 million. I'm not sure AJ and GA are affordable.

If they dont sign AJ then the job is AB's to take.

The post-season will be as interesting for us as the season.

btw... DC Man88, you constantly bring up the 1st 5 games of the season not any of us.

Posted by: JSchon | January 7, 2008 1:27 PM

Yeah, AB is young and hasn't played all that much in the NBA. He also comes off as a Mama's boy and is probably having a hard time adjusting to Eddie's doghouse. Plus he is playing out of position. He should be backing up AJ at the 4, and ultimately taking AJ's job at the 4, rather than backing up Brendan at the center. But right now he's all there is at the back-up 5, unless we want Eddie to return to small-ball with Songaila... He should be making the most of this opportunity: with more energy and determination he could outhustle and outmaneuver most of the centers in this league on offense and on the boards.

As for Young and McGuire, yeah, they're rookies and mistakes should be expected. But I've never bought too much of the "rookie excuse". They, and especially Nick Young, are in a position where they can make a contribution to their team, and jacking around in the locker room and on the bench is not the way to respond. Rookies can and do contribute all the time -- think of Gibson last year for Cleveland (or for an extreme example think back to Magic in 1980). Young especially is a gifted athlete who needs to step it up and not fall back on the old rookie excuses.

Posted by: Prazak | January 7, 2008 1:50 PM

If you all for one minute think that EG is going to let Antawn goes you're crazy. This guy is playing lights out and people want to trade him. I don't get it. What more must Tawn do in order for the fans on here to think he is worthy of keeping around. I they find a way to keep him because to me he is invaluable to the Wiz.

Posted by: Anonymous | January 7, 2008 2:10 PM

Is this what happens to "defensive stoppers?"

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"then former Eleanor Roosevelt High star Delonte West crossed up DeShawn Stevenson with a dribble, sliced to the basket and dunked."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/06/AR2008010602169.html

Posted by: DC Man88 | January 7, 2008 2:11 PM

Prazak, I agree regarding Young. I think he can contribute more than he has. It's not like he came straight out of high school. Both he and McGuire has some college hoops under their belt and should be a little more focused I would think.

Posted by: Anonymous | January 7, 2008 2:12 PM

Let's face it, AB is an average defender whether you put in at the 2, 4, or 5. He's really no worse of a defender than Gilby or AJ. Put some bulk on AB and he'll be even slower.

Posted by: DC Man88 | January 7, 2008 2:15 PM

No one is saying trade AJ. He is a un-restricted free agent at the end of the season. We have to also resign GA at about 16 to 18 million a year. I'm just talking economics. Max AJ at 33 years old or max out GA at 26? Thats a no brainer.

Posted by: JSchon | January 7, 2008 2:39 PM

The max for Arenas is about $16 mill tops, I believe, and Jamison is not going to get a max deal (from the Wizards or anyone else).

Posted by: kalorama | January 7, 2008 2:45 PM

That may be true Kalorama. It would be nice to be able to retain him at 2 or 3 years at $10m to $12m.

Posted by: JSchon | January 7, 2008 3:01 PM

GA will still get the max offer if he plays at his previous level in March/April, etc. AJ is getting 10-12 mill, tops. No one else will offer him more than that based on the fact that he's sort of a defensive liability at PF. Put Olajuwon or Mourning behind him and he's great. Without a backstop, he's just very good.

Posted by: mark | January 7, 2008 3:06 PM

Good posts today!!

Well, since we do not have the luxury tax space to sign a veteran bench player, it is really on NY and AB to grow up fast and on management and the veteran players to help them every way they can (which seems to be happening).

They both have the ability to be fine players, they just need to work on a few basics and to understand that a chance to be on a team that has a legitimate chance to go deep into the playoff - assuming Arenas comes back - is a great opportunity for visbility for a player at the beginning of his NBA career.

Posted by: khrabb | January 7, 2008 3:24 PM

Charlotte could be the only team in position to offer AJ big money, they'd have to take the chance of losing Okafor and possibly others to do it. But their plan of building around a young core has really hit some bumps in the road anyway.

Okafor isn't developing like Howard in Orlando has, sometimes a team can have the number one pick and the guy just doesn't cut it. And they've also invested picks in some guys like Mays that have had some real injury problems.

But overall they lack an identity and a lockerroom leader, would MJ bet the farm on a 33 year old to change the culture down there? It can be said that Jamison had a big hand in changing it here.

AJ may have picked a good time to have a career year for himself.

Posted by: GM | January 7, 2008 3:25 PM

I hope AJ stays and signs here. That is my humble opinion. I think he is a great character guy, can flat out ball and deserves to be compensated even if he is 30 and he is also Pollin's favorite. With that said, I see them making some kind of a deal that is favorable to AJ and still manage to keep Gil, if he wants to stay.

Posted by: Anonymous | January 7, 2008 3:34 PM

I think Gilby is setting himself up to take whatever Les BouleS give him, as it will probably be more than any other team out there can do. He called out other players (Deng & Gordon) and said they were dumb not to take those offers, so if Gilby gets anything near max, I think he would gleefully sign. He should.

Posted by: DC Man88 | January 7, 2008 3:35 PM

If it comes down to only being able to keep one, it wouldn't surprise me if Jamison is the one they keep.

Posted by: kalorama | January 7, 2008 3:36 PM

I can see Charolotte being interested in Jamison, but not at the expense of Okafor and certainly not for the max. Okafor isn't the dominant force that Howard is, but he's still a young, physical, double double C. Teams don't give those away lightly.

Posted by: kalorama | January 7, 2008 3:39 PM

"If it comes down to only being able to keep one, it wouldn't surprise me if Jamison is the one they keep.

Posted by: kalorama | January 7, 2008 03:36 PM "

It all depends on whether another team out there has interest in Gilby. There's no way that EG can let Gilby walk without compensation, nevermind how powerless he really is to control this. The only thing EG can do is trade Gilby before the deadline to a place that Gilby would resign with.

Posted by: DC Man88 | January 7, 2008 3:50 PM

Wiz draft Sean Williams & DJ Strawberry, they don't re-sign DS, and instead sign JCN for 1 mill less. There's your deep, playoff ready team right there w/o busting the salray cap or trades.

Just for fun.

Posted by: 2007 Redo | January 7, 2008 3:55 PM

Ben Wallace's deal in Chicago might be an outline of what AJ would be looking for. I think instead of escalating at the Max amount each year it was a 4 yr deal at the same amount each year.

It was really taking into account that in yrs. 3 and 4 he'd probably have a diminishing but still important role.
Speaking of Big Ben I wonder if he'll bounce back now that Skiles is gone, or if he's just slowing down?

Posted by: GM | January 7, 2008 4:02 PM

Wallace showed significant signs of slowing down his last season in Detroit. He's a guy whose game is totally dependent on strength and athleticism. The post-32 decline on a guy like that is going to be a lot steeper than it is for a skill player like Jamison.

Posted by: kalorama | January 7, 2008 4:07 PM

There is absolutely zero chance that Arenas gets traded before the deadline. As has been noted, very, very few teams are going to have significant cap room to go after FAs for anything more than the MLE. Which means that unless Gilbert is willing to take a huge pay cut, then if he wants to go somewhere else it'll have to be a S&T.

Posted by: kalorama | January 7, 2008 4:11 PM

Teams can go over the cap to resign their own players. I don't think Mickey Arison or Mark Cuban type owners are going to sweat a few million loss of salary cap splits like Abe does.

Posted by: DC Man88 | January 7, 2008 4:31 PM

Gil will get his max contract, either this year from the wiz, or next year from the wiz (if he does not opt out). AJ stays here for about 8-10 per. IMHO.

Posted by: 2cents | January 7, 2008 5:41 PM

what do you think it would take to get Wally from the Sonics? That type of instant and consistent fire power off the bench is exactly what the Wiz need.

AJ must stay. Believe it or not, if I had to chose between GA and AJ, for this team I would pick AJ. Dont get me wrong, GA has phenomenal swag. But, where else are you going to find a player who rebounds like he does and has the consistent range he has. Plus it seems that his footwork on defense has improved this year.

Posted by: oddjob | January 7, 2008 8:22 PM

when is that vladimir veremeenko guy the wiz drafted in the second round in 06 gonna be on the team, they said at least one more year overseas before the season.
he looks pretty good.
just wonderin...

Posted by: Anonymous | January 7, 2008 8:51 PM

It all depends on whether another team out there has interest in Gilby. There's no way that EG can let Gilby walk without compensation, nevermind how powerless he really is to control this. The only thing EG can do is trade Gilby before the deadline to a place that Gilby would resign with.

Posted by: DC Man88 | January 7, 2008 03:50 PM

Such sage observations from someone who lost a $7,000 bet when Gil missed two free throws in a playoffs game.

Posted by: Anonymous | January 8, 2008 1:06 AM

Let's face it, AB is an average defender whether you put in at the 2, 4, or 5. He's really no worse of a defender than Gilby or AJ. Put some bulk on AB and he'll be even slower.

Posted by: DC Man88 | January 7, 2008 02:15 PM

This observation from someone who said he likes Songaila's "smart" game because "he's white."

Posted by: Anonymous | January 8, 2008 1:09 AM

Who knows, maybe Gilby has already played his last game in a Les BouleS uniform. Don't care either way.

Posted by: DC Man88 | January 6, 2008 06:58 PM

Liar. You want Gil outta here so bad you are obsessed with this. That's because when he missed two free throws in a playoffs game, you lost a $7,000 bet, as you said in several posts at that time that were punctuated with a whole bunch of angry exclamation marks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. Ever since then you have dedicated your life to bashing Gil on this blog. No one should believe anything you say about Gil, the Wizards, or anything. You pathetic racist liar.

Posted by: Anonymous | January 8, 2008 1:18 AM

Again, let's retire the idiotic chit chat about Gilby....

Posted by: DC Man88 | January 6, 2008 02:24 PM

If only you would follow your own advice! Everyone here is sick of your Gil-bashing. Put a cork in it!

Posted by: Anonymous | January 8, 2008 1:25 AM

Gilby's name needs to be put to rest until he comes back. Let's focus on the players actually playing. Yay!

Posted by: DC Man88 | January 6, 2008 07:08 PM

Yes, please DC Racist88, please stop commenting about Gil.

Posted by: Anonymous | January 8, 2008 1:27 AM

Anybody waiting for Gilby's return is just like Forrest Gump sitting on that bench waiting for the bus. That bus may never come Forrest.

Posted by: DC Man88 | January 8, 2008 8:34 AM

You wish don't you? That would make your life complete wouldn't? But, GILBERT(not Gilby) will be back. Then we can here you b**ch and moan everyday and turn all of the posts by Ivan and Michael into an I hate Gilbert campaign like you do now. Besides, wasn't it you who said lets not focus on Gilbert and uh, how many posts have you posted on this article with Gil as your main focus? You just can't help yourself can you DC Man/Woman 88? I don't think you can go a week without somehow dragging Gil through the mud can you? Wanna bet? How about $7,000?

Posted by: Anonymous | January 8, 2008 8:51 AM

I still don't understand the anti-Gilbert rhetoric from one particular person on this blog. Unless the comments about the $7000 bet and Gilbert cutting you off after initially corresponding via email with you have been true all along, there's no explanation for it. You are unceasingly critical of Gilbert. Is there any team in the league that would NOT anticipate the return of their best player. When Wade was hurt, the only thing you'd hear from Miami fans was about when he was coming back. We're no different. Why do you minimize his contributions to this team and continue to speculate that he will no longer be the player that he was before the injury?
This is not a personal attack and is actually interesting. Yours seems to be a classic case of obsessive love (and I AM a psychology major). In all seriousness, you may need help. You are the only one on this blog who continually brings up Gilbert's personal life. I don't dare speak for everyone else here but I do not care in the least what he does off the court. You've mentioned a grotto (?), Laura, his kids, etc so many times that I actually know her name. When people ask you about it, you just insult them but it might be a good idea to just acknowledge that there is some sort of issue here. The four conditions used to identify obsessive love are:
a painful and all-consuming preoccupation with a real or wished-for lover, an insatiable longing either to possess or be possessed by the target of their obsession, rejection by or physical and/or emotional unavailability of their target, and being driven to behave in self-defeating ways by this rejection or unavailability.

Please seek professional help,

Posted by: Anonymous | January 8, 2008 9:28 AM

Please, if you believe that $7000 urban legend, then you are truly Forrest Gump.

Duhhhh.........

Posted by: DC Man88 | January 8, 2008 9:55 AM

Oh, the Gil stories are true, and they're taken word for word from 88'er's own posts. That's why he spends so much time trying to run anyone off this site that he knows were around back then to read them.

My daughter and law has a degree in psychology and she finds these posts and this obsession really kind of concerning also.

To me it's just more of the same ole, same ole, it'll will probably continue until we read about the outcome in the paper. Just hope no one ends up getting hurt in the end.

But boy if we see on TV some guy chained himself to Gil's Grotto, we'll all know who that is.

I like to come on here and talk about B-ball in general and the Wizards in particular. Doesn't look like it's going to be a good day for that to happen.

The forum is now open for the vulgar and bizzare....

Posted by: GM | January 8, 2008 10:03 AM

The problem is, people pay attention to him. I'm at fault too. I rather new to this forum so I dont know the history of it and its posters. Most of the people are civil and intelligent but a few bring it down to a childish level.

Posted by: JSchon | January 8, 2008 10:11 AM

Please GM. Take a smoke and calm down. If I posted something using your name, I'm sure it's believable too. Just as believable as your wife's rendezvous with Lefty in the barn and how Lefty couldn't tell whether it was a horse or it was your wife.

NEIGGGGHHHHHHH!!!!!

Also, it's too bad your in law has nothing better to do than have her father in law get her involved in a sports chat about Les BouleS. Must be a slow time in the hardware store business. Not selling many snow shovels lately?

Posted by: DC Man88 | January 8, 2008 10:21 AM

"I like to come on here and talk about B-ball in general and the Wizards in particular. Doesn't look like it's going to be a good day for that to happen.

The forum is now open for the vulgar and bizzare....

Posted by: GM | January 8, 2008 10:03 AM "

I like to come here and talk about bball and the bball players, not something idiotic or fantasy like bets being made. You'll notice that someone anonymous, again...made a bunch of stupid remarks about bets and Dsong against me.

Hey, Dsong is smart, other players are not so smart. Deal with it.

Let's stick to bball chat and bball players. That's relevant, and includes Gilby.

Posted by: DC Man88 | January 8, 2008 10:24 AM

Whether the post include Gilbert or not, you still manage EVERY post to bring him up. Now say that you don't, because everyone that comes here to talk about "our" Wizards have to contend with your idiotic crap! Now, you say it isn't you. Yea, right! But, it is a new year and I am going to so totally ignore any more of your posts that are not relevant to the topic at hand. Stick a fork in it because I for one am done responding to you and your obsessive ramblings.

Posted by: Anonymous | January 8, 2008 10:38 AM

GM,
Just when you thought you were out, he pulled you back in !! LOL. He hadn't made crass comments in a while and now he got started again. At least we have the Joe Gibbs resignation as a distraction and can come back to this board later when he's calmed down.

Posted by: mark | January 8, 2008 10:41 AM

let's see if the increased focus makes a difference for the young players tonight. one good thing is that EJ seems intent on finding minutes for McGuire. Songaila is not playing well and it's apparent to him. Now's your chance, McGuire. make some plays and you get consistent playing time.

Posted by: mark | January 8, 2008 10:45 AM

Mark, I guess you're not reading the other posts where people are posting anonymously and harassing me also.

All I was saying was to put Gilby chat to rest until he comes back, which won't be for another 2 months or ever. Nothing wrong about that.

Of course, GM has to chime in for no reason when nothing was directed at him. Then of course, people are playing victims again. Boo hoo.

Posted by: DC Man88 | January 8, 2008 11:07 AM

The problem is DC Man88, you dont practice what you preach.

Whether you agree with it or not, GA is part of this team. Cased closed.

He was big part of what we've done, what we're doing and what we'll do. No one is going to not talk about him because you asked them too nicely, rudely or however you do so.

Posted by: JSchon | January 8, 2008 11:25 AM

The problem DCMan88 is that YOU are the one who keeps infusing Gilbert into these posts. Even when it is not warranted. We would love to put these Gilbert chats to rest if you would do the same. Unless an article is pertaining to Gil don't bring him in it and then we won't have to talk about or defend him

Posted by: Anonymous | January 8, 2008 11:35 AM

Well, JSchon is another name just like Mark and whomever else that like to switch between posting anonymously and not.

The bottom line is Gilby is playing no role in the success of Les BouleS since he's been out. Let's give credit to those who have stepped up like CBut and AJ.

Gilby won't be back for another 2 months, if at all, so all this hope about Gilby and the great things that he will do once he returns is better left for daydreams on cool summer days while sipping lemonade on a hammock.

In the meantime, it's best to talk about reality. If nothing else, it's better to talk about Opech's pending return rather than Gilby's distant return date.

Posted by: DC Man88 | January 8, 2008 11:54 AM

88,
I read the posts where people bash you. I just think they have gotten tired of the personal stuff you bring up. Whether you are writing junk about Gil or talking about horses (this isn't the first time you've said that) or insulting women (I've forgotten the name of the lady who posts here occasionally). BTW, when I post, i post using my name. Anything I have to post, I will post directly to you. I can deal with the crap you write about me. I admit you've gotten under my skin in the past but I started ignoring the junk at the advice of others here and I just laugh it off now.
Every blue moon you actually write something pertinent ans salient and it sucks us all in and has us thinking that perhaps you are willing to have a normal discussion. Inevitably, you go back to talking about people's moms and horses, etc. If you would go for a solid week or 2 without disparaging GA, I'd be willing to bet that folks here would stop disparaging YOU. Every negative comment to you is precipitated by an attack on GA by YOU. Can you talk Wiz without bashing GA? If so, I am personally willing to engage you in conversation. If not, I can't imagine your that reputation on this forum will change.

Posted by: mark | January 8, 2008 12:06 PM

I do not suffer from multiple person post syndrome... like you do DC Man88...

Posted by: JSchon | January 8, 2008 12:11 PM

Just so we're all clear about this 88'er, are you taking credit for this morning's vulger post, or was that another one of the supposed imposters?

You post this crap, then you claim semebody else did it, then you'll later brag about your vulgar crap and how tough you are.

How many loose nuts are rolling around in that bowl? Ever think that the imposter could be posting from your computor? More then one of us have noticed the posts by "others" that come and go here, but when they post a few times they sound more and more like you.

But you know the funniest thing of all is where you now call the story about THE BET an Urban Legend! Now you're an Urban Legend! Wow! A Legend in your own mind!

That's almost as good as the time you called your postings here "your work"! Or another time you called the Anti-Gil rants "Your Mission". Or the time you got into it with Pradamaster and wrote "Your Manifesto"!

Sorry, the last one was what I named it. But when I called it that, you thanked me.

You tried for a few days but you've run seriously off track again.

Posted by: GM | January 8, 2008 12:24 PM

Ivan watup??? Can we get an update on Pecherov. SO far he has been 2-4 weeks away forever. How you gonna put this quote in an article you wrote and not hook us up and let us know whats up?

"Pecherov, the team's first-round pick in the 2006 draft, could be in uniform tonight when the Wizards host the Houston Rockets. "

Give us something. Do you know if he is dressing tonight??

Posted by: LooseCannon | January 8, 2008 12:24 PM

JSchon is right, 88. Whose face do you see in every piece of marketing material the Wiz put out? Whether you or I like it or not, GA is the face of this team. Pretending he's not coming back is like pretending that TMac is not coming back for Houston. Why wouldn't we anticipate that our team is going to be improved when our all star returns. While CB and AJ are HUGE, key cogs in this machine, GA is still the straw that stirs the drink in my opinion. I'm not saying he's the best player in the league. He turns the ball over too much and he shoots sometimes when he should pass. That's a result of more confidence in himself than in others and it's hard to criticize. When Larry Hughes was here, EJ would give them the ball and ask them to win the game in the closing seconds. GA came through a lot and thinks that he needs to still do the same. He's not the same player now that he was when he first came into the league. Let's give him the benefit of the doubt and assume that he'll recognize that CB is better and that he doesn't have to do it all. I think he's a pretty smart young guy and he'll figure it out. I you'd explain why you don't think GA discussions are relevant, maybe we would understand. Given your history of bashing GA, we all assume that it's the same old anti-Gilbert rhetoric. Get on board. This is a pro-Wizards forum. You need to catch Bullets fever, dude.

Posted by: mark | January 8, 2008 12:29 PM

LooseCannon,
I read somewhere today that Pech will be in uniform tonight and that he practiced for the first time in a while for a full practice with the team. He's undoubtedly out of shape, though.

Posted by: mark | January 8, 2008 12:31 PM

GM, don't play dumb. Look at the blog. Some idiot posted 5 straight posts just to get me riled up, and then you come back and piggy back it by referring to some stupid bet that never happened.

Then you start talking about your daughter in law and her psychology degree. Whoop de d@mn do!

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It all depends on whether another team out there has interest in Gilby. There's no way that EG can let Gilby walk without compensation, nevermind how powerless he really is to control this. The only thing EG can do is trade Gilby before the deadline to a place that Gilby would resign with.

Posted by: DC Man88 | January 7, 2008 03:50 PM

Such sage observations from someone who lost a $7,000 bet when Gil missed two free throws in a playoffs game.

Posted by: | January 8, 2008 01:06 AM

Let's face it, AB is an average defender whether you put in at the 2, 4, or 5. He's really no worse of a defender than Gilby or AJ. Put some bulk on AB and he'll be even slower.

Posted by: DC Man88 | January 7, 2008 02:15 PM

This observation from someone who said he likes Songaila's "smart" game because "he's white."

Posted by: | January 8, 2008 01:09 AM

Who knows, maybe Gilby has already played his last game in a Les BouleS uniform. Don't care either way.

Posted by: DC Man88 | January 6, 2008 06:58 PM

Liar. You want Gil outta here so bad you are obsessed with this. That's because when he missed two free throws in a playoffs game, you lost a $7,000 bet, as you said in several posts at that time that were punctuated with a whole bunch of angry exclamation marks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. Ever since then you have dedicated your life to bashing Gil on this blog. No one should believe anything you say about Gil, the Wizards, or anything. You pathetic racist liar.

Posted by: | January 8, 2008 01:18 AM

Again, let's retire the idiotic chit chat about Gilby....

Posted by: DC Man88 | January 6, 2008 02:24 PM

If only you would follow your own advice! Everyone here is sick of your Gil-bashing. Put a cork in it!

Posted by: | January 8, 2008 01:25 AM

Gilby's name needs to be put to rest until he comes back. Let's focus on the players actually playing. Yay!

Posted by: DC Man88 | January 6, 2008 07:08 PM

Yes, please DC Racist88, please stop commenting about Gil.

Posted by: | January 8, 2008 01:27 AM

Posted by: DC Man88 | January 8, 2008 12:52 PM

Mark, you are obviously easily distracted and amused. Who cares if Gilby's picture or name is plastered around town? Is Gilby actually contributing to the team's on court success right now? No.

Let's pass around the accolades and give other team members some praise. As "important" as Gilby is to this team, this team will not win anything without CBut healthy.

Take a look at last season's 2nd half. Gilby will get his shots and points, but that does not guarantee a victory.

Posted by: DC Man88 | January 8, 2008 12:56 PM

I saw on Comcast last night that it is probable he will play a few minutes if he suits up. He,Pesh, said the players have been helping him try and get up to speed and would help him on the floor as well if he plays. Also, the Wizards website said he will be suiting up tonight. Whether or not he actually gets in is anyones guess. Pesh feels he is ready. Stated that he had been working a lot lately on conditioning and shooting drills.

Posted by: Anonymous | January 8, 2008 12:58 PM

Uh, DCman/woman, I thought you were going to stop talking about Gilbert?!! You just can't help yourself can you? LOL

Posted by: Anonymous | January 8, 2008 1:01 PM

Maybe if you stop harassing me, I'll stop putting out the truths that I put out about Gilby. Nah, I doubt if you can do that.

Posted by: DC Man88 | January 8, 2008 1:33 PM

Another Ditribe by 88'er!

Legen...wait for it...Darrreee....!!!!

Posted by: GM | January 8, 2008 1:40 PM

GM,
Your posts lately have been way too short. You're good for at least 3 paragraphs. What's up? ;)

Posted by: mark | January 8, 2008 2:31 PM

88,
There's a reason his name and face is plastered around town. That's what I'm trying to tell you. Thy wouldn't be marketing the guy so heavily if they thought that he was just a minor piece of the puzzle. Wiz management and most on this forum think that he's the difference between average vs. good or good vs. great for this team. You're one of the few that for some reason wants to minimize his importance. As far as the easily distracted part, ....maybe. But what does that have to do with you bashing GA or me defending the his value to this team? As far as him contributing to the success of the team on the court, you don't know what he's doing and neither do I. What I DO know is that he was the first guy they ever talked about coming in and shooting hundreds of shots after practice and now CB is doing it. I Know that I see him counseling the rookies on the bench and encouraging teammates during games. I'm pretty sure he's doing it in practice, too. I know that he had shooting competitions with DS last year. This competitiveness rubs off on people and makes them better. We've had complacent players for years. We're much better now with him.

Posted by: mark | January 8, 2008 2:38 PM

Face it mark. Gilby is not playing right now. Give some props to the guys who are holding the team together. Give them some love. Put CBut and AJ on a billboard.

Posted by: DC Man88 | January 8, 2008 2:41 PM

Another useless post by GM.

Bidness as usual!

Posted by: DC Man88 | January 8, 2008 2:42 PM

If you look at TV Dc person, you would see commercials with both Caron and Antawn. So quit it. No one but you is disputing that Caron and Antawn are carrying the team. I don't understand what the problem is. You are the one who keeps bringing up Gil. You! If we talk about him we're damned and if we don't mention him, you bring him up every single time but yet you say let's talk about the players who are playing right now. If that is what you want then let's do that. No problem. So...........it looks like Pesh may play tonight. Any thoughts?

Posted by: Anonymous | January 8, 2008 3:06 PM

Checkit. My mention of Gilby is in response to someone's overstated opinion of him!

Posted by: DC Man88 | January 8, 2008 3:24 PM

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