Gilbert off the bench? Really?

Mike Wise got into the subject in the column he wrote following last night's 111-98 win over the Knicks but I thought I'd throw it out there for you folks to discuss as well. Following the game, Gilbert Arenas had an informal chat with Mike and then other reporters and dropped the concept of coming off the bench once he is cleared for game action (which Gilbert says could be sometime after the all-star break with March 1 set as a possible target date).

"I don't want to mess up the rhythm these guys have going right now," Gilbert said to me at one point. "I want to make sure that I come in and help us keep rolling along."

Now, I've learned over the past three years to be very careful about drawing broad conclusions from Gilbertspeak. It isn't that he's dishonest. Not at all. It's just that he tends to say whatever comes to mind at a particular moment (like last year when he basically said that he played poorly in an ugly loss to Portland because Eddie Jordan was making the team play defense) and five minutes later, he may say something totally different. Once he comes back, it's going to be hard to imagine Gilbert wanting to play 20-25 minutes as a reserve. In fact, I can promise you: that isn't going to happen.

Anyway, how the team blends in Gilbert and possibly Etan Thomas if and when he is cleared to return, will be very interesting. Gilbert has always been a guy who plays heavy minutes, needs the ball in his hands and takes a high volume of shots. No problem there: he's one of the top 10-15 players in the league, but his presence will obviously alter the dynamics a little. I personally believe that this team will be a terror if Gilbert is even 85 percent of what he was last season.

Think of the points in transition he can create off of the improved defense this team is playing, think of the extra free throw attempts that come from his drives to the basket and imagine the late game possibilities of having Arenas, Caron Butler and Antawn Jamison on the floor at the same time. Who do you load up on?

As for Thomas, his return sure couldn't hurt. I believe that he and Brendan Haywood are done with the scrapping and fighting stuff. Sure, they'll compete hard and go at it like they should on the practice floor but in talking to both of them last season, I came away with the sincere impression that they were embarrassed by what has gone on in the past and don't want it to happen again. Having a healthy Thomas would also give Jordan another big man option.

Jordan already has Brendan, who is playing well, as well as Andray Blatche, whose length and ability to run the floor presents issues for opponents and lately, another intriguing option has emerged in Oleksiy Pecherov, whose ability to shoot the long ball and knack for rebounding can create some real mismatch issues. It was interesting to see how reluctant Eddy Curry and Zach Randolph were to come out on Pesh last night. Haywood called him a Ukrainian Antawn Jamison.

Etan would give the team a physical banger to use on guys like Dwight Howard, Ben Wallace and Kendrick Perkins in playoff series should those matchups happen. (Remember that Etan ate Howard's lunch in a game down in Orlando early last season).

Anyway, it's still way too early to speculate too much on what is going to happen but then again, that's why barber shops and bar stools exist, right? So get to it.

By Ivan Carter |  January 19, 2008; 11:22 AM ET
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Come on DClady...unleash the rage!

Posted by: Mike | January 19, 2008 12:01 PM

Two possible results. One the good side, I can see Areans provides much needed scoring punch for the 2nd unit. OTOH, those young players may just stand around and watch him.

Besides, we don't know how well can arenas play coming back from injury. We will have to wait and see. But it is a good news nonetheless.

Posted by: Sagaliba | January 19, 2008 12:07 PM

"Having a healthy Thomas would also give Jordan another big man option."

It may not be a good thing to give Jordan too many big man options. :)

The end result maybe none of the big men play consistent minutes to be effective.

Posted by: Sagaliba | January 19, 2008 12:10 PM

Every time Etan has gone out for significant periods of time Brendan Todd Haywood has stepped up his game. Back in 04-05 BTH had the best season of his career while Etan was sidelined for most of the year. This year has unquestionably been BTH's best season. I'd rather Etan stay out of the line up to have a more effective Haywood.

Stats have proven time and again that when Haywood is playing, and playing effectively, the Wizards are an entirely different team. Etan's return will only decrease Haywoods minutes and make the team worse as a whole.

Posted by: Denver | January 19, 2008 12:54 PM

Before the season began, I posted that Gilbert ought to improve his game by,

1. playing better defense, and

2. playing more of a team game by scoring less (and more efficiently) and setting up his teammates more.

The way the team is currently playing seems to bear out the wisdom of this, because they are playing defense and good team ball, while still winning more than they lose.

I think Gilbert starting will take even more defensive pressure off his teammates and if they are in a close game down the stretch he will be doubly useful with his own scoring.

But if he comes back to score 30 points a night again with a low shooting percentage and ole defense, I don't think this would be helpful to the Wizards now.

A healthy ET could be useful come playoff time. For right now, I would like to see more minutes go to OPech and see how he develops.

Posted by: Tim | January 19, 2008 1:18 PM

If having Gilbert come back is a dilemma, then that's a dilemma that every team in the league would like to have. Coach Jordan has done a good job with this group, and if they're having trouble bringing Gilbert into the fold, then I trust that Coach will manage it. Everyone's talking about how hard it could be for Gilbert to adjust, but I think the bigger issue is, will the others keep playing at their current level, or will they start deferring to him? You could argue that the problems with past teams has been that players are standing around watching Gilbert. If everyone on this team keeps taking responsibility for themselves and their own play in Coach Jordan's system, there shouldn't be any problems.

Posted by: satch | January 19, 2008 1:38 PM

I agree with satch, If our biggest problem is Gil returning that is a good position to be in. The upside is really big there.

Less problem. More coaching challenge.

At any rate, I think the signs are pretty positive that Gil is paying attention. As far as drop off, and deferring... well, let's say they do defer a bit on offense, that wouldn't change their new defensive commitment? And I don't see Caron, taking a step back because of gil. Antawn, get's a lot of kooky rebounds and scoop shots, always has, always will. DS, doesn't need to score if gil is back, but he should have more space on O. and our bench get's deeper having gil or AD work with the second group. Roger mason is looking a lot more confident. The one O place I worry about is BTH, but frankly, I hope he understands his value really comes mostly from rebounds and D.

When you break it down, this team (recently) has always been able to put points on the board, so I don't worry about Gil and our O. Mostly I think that Gil needs to match the defensive intensity that his teammates are showing.

Also, Ivan made a good point. With the way handchecks / etc are called any starting PG in the league is going to be able to break down their defender in 1 on 1. At least to a certain extent. There are very few PG defenders who can absolutely shut down the position. Playing good defense at that position is really more about trying to take a team out of their scripted offense.

If a play-maker beats you by being creative and having an amazing performance, sometimes you have to live with that. The big goal is to not allow easy buckets and breakdowns on D.

I think Gil and the wiz will be an exciting storyline, IF he is healthy.

Posted by: g | January 19, 2008 1:54 PM

I have said this recently, but if only one player from this group of young guys. D-mac, Mason, Young, Blatche or O-Pec, makes a good contribution to this team, then we are instantly a much better team. And I would have to consider the group successful, if only 1 makes it out as a true regular (not even starting) contributer.

I'm very interested in seeing this group of players evolve, and it is a fun thing to be a fan when you have a chance to see a young team find it's identity. Something we haven't really known here in DC for a long time.

I hope these guys, work hard and continue to develop. Now is not the time to have a Jefferies or Hayes on the bench.

Posted by: g | January 19, 2008 2:00 PM

Dener is 100% right. Last year this team had the best record in the Eastern Conference, UNTIL Etan and Mike Ruffin returned from injury. It's no coincidence. Errnie made sure we never have to worry about Ruffin again, but he could not trade Etan away, though I'm sure he tried his hardest.

History has PROVEN this team is better off without Etan Thomas.

Posted by: GAN | January 19, 2008 2:07 PM

A lot happened in the second half last season...

Posted by: Anonymous | January 19, 2008 2:55 PM

"History has PROVEN this team is better off without Etan Thomas."

Revisionist history, you mean.

They Wizards had the best record in the East until Jamison got hurt and the team went into a tailspin that was only worsened by injuries to Gilbert and Caron. Blaming it on Etan coming back is a blatant distortion.

Posted by: kalorama | January 19, 2008 3:15 PM

Good drama, but we won't know until Gilbert and Etan return.

Nonetheless, the history is not encouraging. My bigggest concern is that Gilbert continually says and acts as if entertainment is his highest priority. That priority is consistent with practicing shooting by oneself at 2 a.m. and scoring a lot of points, particularly buzzer beaters. On the other hand, if the priority were to win championships, then ball movement (finding the open man) and team defense would be higher on his list.

I think EJ and GA learned a lot since the 0 and 5 start, particularly after Gil went out. I'd rate it 50/50 for each of them to apply this learning to their actions when Gil returns. If they both apply the learning and focus on ball movement,team defense and situational rotation management, then the sky is the limit.

Posted by: Izman | January 19, 2008 3:19 PM

I am just curious as to why DMac hasn't been getting many minutes. I think he is a great player but needs confidence which can only come from minutes. Any of you guys have any idea why his minutes are so low? I checked the box score and DMac only played one minute and had one rebound. I am also uncertain as to what position he plays and does his position have a bearing on why he doesn't get the minutes off the bench?

Posted by: Anonymous | January 19, 2008 3:30 PM

I just read on the Wizards website that Etan attended practice today. He didn't participate in any type of drills but just came to be around his teammates. It seems everyone was happy to see he was okay since a few of the players had not seen him much since his surgery. Just thought I would share that info.

Posted by: Anonymous | January 19, 2008 3:43 PM

GA is a huge unknown. He may come off the bench for one game, but that will be it. He needs to be 100% though and show a dramatic change in his approach to D and running Eddie;s offense. Otherwise he will be a huge disruption to this team. And it will get ugly and he will opt out for less money and we will get nothing for him. Yikes. But that will not happen, because GA has a huge heart that help him overcome his fears and need for immediate gratification from the fans. He will be seen as a hero who conformed, helped lead us deep into the playoffs...and then resign an extension this summer.

On the otherhand it will be beneficial to have ET back at practice banging away. Hopefully Eddie will keep BH's minutes up and in particular have BH in the last 5 minutes of the game. He has proven to be particularly effective at that time (as has DSteve). Eddie should also not reduce AB's minutes as he desperately needs the time on the floor with the starters to mature; he could be a beast next season as a result. So that leaves spot minutes for ET, against the heavywieghts of league. Which sounds about right for ET's skill level...if his body is ready to bang like the ET of old. Which hopefully will allow us to package him with a #1 for hot young pt. guard this summer.

Posted by: oddjob | January 19, 2008 4:17 PM

Does anyone realize that Wiz are averaging 1 less assist per game this year compared to last. I found that interesting.

Whether or not GA comes off of the bench for a couple weeks or starts, doesnt really matter.

Ginobli doesnt start, and he is the 2nd leading scorer on the Spurs.

My thought is that with the success of the Wiz sans GA, will eliminate the deferring to GA stuff, especially with the starters.

Posted by: JSchon | January 19, 2008 4:26 PM

agreed,

i don't know about blatche and DMac being given minutes. I think they both need to earn their time on court by being focussed in practice and bringing energy when they do play.

I like them both, but this team doesn't need to spend too much time letting young guys 'learn from their mistakes'. We have enough vets and talent to try and make a splash right away.

Posted by: Anonymous | January 19, 2008 5:03 PM

"Any of you guys have any idea why his minutes are so low?"

Because he plays the same position as the team's two best players, who need to be on the floor most of the time for the team to win. Also, because he's a rookie who clearly has some work to do before he's ready to play rotation level minutes.

Posted by: kalorama | January 19, 2008 5:36 PM

I am just curious as to why DMac hasn't been getting many minutes.

Posted by: | January 19, 2008 03:30 PM

The only position that he can really play is the 3 - He played 4 and 5 in college, but he's really a 3 in the NBA. Unfortunately for DMac, Caron is averaging over 40 minutes a game. That does not leave much time for a Small Foreward back-up.

Posted by: Rook | January 19, 2008 5:40 PM

Ho Ho...now that the terps have smacked the the heels right out of the top spot...this is going to be one BORING sports weekend!

Posted by: oddjob | January 19, 2008 5:41 PM

By the way, I think it's a smart idea to have Gilbert Arenas come back as a bench player - at least until he's comfortable with fitting in to the existing starting lineup.

I can just see him abusing 2nd string opponents, and really making the Wizards bench a dangerous bunch.

Posted by: Rook | January 19, 2008 5:43 PM

Thanks for the reply regarding DMac.

Posted by: Anonymous | January 19, 2008 6:19 PM

Boy, isn't this a great country? Freedom of speech is wonderful.

Posted by: DC Man88 | January 19, 2008 6:29 PM

"My thought is that with the success of the Wiz sans GA, will eliminate the deferring to GA stuff, especially with the starters.

Posted by: JSchon | January 19, 2008 04:26 PM "

Very naive response. Starters can't defer the ball if they don't even get to touch the ball when Gilby starts taking bad shots without passing. Wouldn't be a surprise.

Oh, BTW, it's great that a player gets a bye from Ivan whenever he makes a statement so that he can make another statement 180 degrees right afterwards. That pretty much means Gilby is not a man of his word and has no credibility whatsoever.

Posted by: DC Man88 | January 19, 2008 6:34 PM

Guys, don't bother responding to DCMan. He basically says the same things over and over again, sprinkled with childish and tired insults here and there. He just ignores the things that have a chance of discrediting him, or he responds with a "yo momma" joke. Just let him act as immature as he wants.

Posted by: Anonymous | January 19, 2008 6:58 PM

Don't worry. We all know where DCMAN88/Clewiston88 stands (or kneels) when it comes to Gilbert. We don't talk to him, just about him.

Posted by: Anonymous | January 19, 2008 8:00 PM

I agree that dmac will be a beast with consistent playing time, but the fact is that he plays behind CB who is having the best season of his career and AJ who is averaging 21 and 10, he also has to play behind AB, DS, and Pech at the 4 spot. He's going to be a great player in this league 4 a longtime, but he's going to have to wait his turn, hopefully the wizards realize that and keep him around for us fans to be rewarded.

Posted by: Anonymous | January 19, 2008 8:20 PM

I think it is too early to draw conclusions about D-Mac. He did look very good in pre-season, showing a lot of versatility as well as maturity and confidence. However, he hasn't done much in his limited minutes during the regular season. Aside from limited production, he has looked lost at times - not surprising for a rookie, but unlike the case in pre-season. As others have pointed out, I think a big part of is problem is that he is having to transition from playing the 4 (and even 5) in college to playing the 3 at the NBA level. Some have suggested that some time in the D-League might do him so good. I personally believe that going up against CB (one of the best 3's in the league) in practice everyday will give him a much better "schooling". The key for him now is to work hard in practice, keep a positive attitude, and do what he does best (defense and rebounding) when he gets the call from EJ.

Posted by: PK1 | January 19, 2008 8:45 PM

Last year Etan started 36 of the 86 games the Wizards played. Of those 36 games the Wizards only won 12, for a winning percentage of 33.3%. BTH started the other 50 and the Wizards won 29 of those games, for a winning percentage of 58%.

The team was playing awful to start the season so EJ made a change at center. Once BTH was inserted into the starting line-up the team proceeded to go 26-7 over the next 33 games. BTH was both starting and playing effectively.

Clearly, Haywood was better than Thomas, but EJ moved Thomas back into the starting line-up. Don't even try to blame injuries for the poor play of the team last year because I think everyone in the league would agree that the Wizards have actually been impressive without Arenas, and BTH has been one of the key factors for the steady play of the Wizards this year.

My point is that statistics have demonstrated that when Etan is out BTH plays better and the Wizards are a significantly better team. The only season the Wizards have made the second round since the 80's Etan was out and BTH was a major factor the whole year. Etan has been out this entire year and BTH PER is the second highest among starting centers in the East.

For some reason when Etan is around Haywood plays worse, but it's obvious that the team is much better with BTH than Etan. Ernie Grunfeld agrees with that too because he was trying to package JCN with Etan, not Haywood last off-season. Ultimately my opinion is that while I am thankful that Etan has returned to good health I think that his return to the team will ultimately be a negative.

Posted by: Anonymous | January 19, 2008 8:50 PM

"Guys, don't bother responding to DCMan. He basically says the same things over and over again, sprinkled with childish and tired insults here and there. He just ignores the things that have a chance of discrediting him, or he responds with a "yo momma" joke. Just let him act as immature as he wants.

Posted by: | January 19, 2008 06:58 PM

Don't worry. We all know where DCMAN88/Clewiston88 stands (or kneels) when it comes to Gilbert. We don't talk to him, just about him.

Posted by: | January 19, 2008 08:00 PM "

Thanks for responding, but look at the pot calling the kettle black.

Posted by: DC Man88 | January 19, 2008 9:36 PM

Full Court Press Consensus (Kornheiser, Wilbon, & George):

Les BouleS will need to consider trading Gilby at the end of this season. The team has changed, and CBut is the leader of this team and it has attained his identity. If Gilby comes back and can complement the team and "settle" for only averaging 18-20 pts, then that's fine, but nobody believes he can do that.

For sure, a complementary player scoring 18-20 pts a game doesn't deserve max money.

Posted by: DC Man88 | January 19, 2008 10:37 PM

The idiot does not realize Full Court Press was taped before Gil mentioned he is willing to come off the bench.

Also, saw the show myself and that is not the way it went down....not to mention the FCP guys are NOT the Wizards management.

Posted by: Anonymous | January 19, 2008 10:47 PM

Thanks for responding, but look at the pot calling the kettle black.

Posted by: DC Man88 | January 19, 2008 09:36 PM

That adage would only be valid if it was the same person, but it isn't, so once again you are wrong. Also, those weren't in response to you, so you managed to be wrong twice in the same sentence. But I guess you're used to that.

"If Gilby comes back and can complement the team and "settle" for only averaging 18-20 pts, then that's fine, but nobody believes he can do that."

I actually agree with the first part where Gil scoring less can actually help this team, but the last part is just wrong. Many, MANY people have stated that they believe he can. There was an article that someone posted the link to, which also backed this up. Can't find it at the moment, but it was on ESPN.com...I'll try and look for it later if you want.

Posted by: Anonymous | January 19, 2008 10:58 PM

Dmac isn't getting any minutes because he has sucked. He keeps putting up these impossible layups that get blocked 75% of the time, and he gets blown by on defense -- the one thing he was supposed to be good at. He's just barely good enough to look above average on the summer squad, but that just doesn't translate into the nba.

He's going to need to use his head a lot to succeed in the nba. There are lots of guys out there with his tools -- can he put it together mentally to make it work for him, to study the game and develop little bruce bowen type tricks to beat out the 100 other guys who are just as good as he is? Can he develop a jump shot? We'll have to see. If he can't it's no big deal since he's a second rounder.

Posted by: Zonker | January 19, 2008 11:31 PM

I think the comments from the FCP have some intersting points. The identity of the team right now is all about CB and they are tougher, and more team oriented...but still thin as the bench has potential but not much punch right now. The big question is Gilby's head and willingness to be a team baller and dig in, as the emergence of CB has changed everything.

Posted by: WYwizfan | January 19, 2008 11:48 PM

"That adage would only be valid if it was the same person, but it isn't, so once again you are wrong. Also, those weren't in response to you, so you managed to be wrong twice in the same sentence. But I guess you're used to that."

I really couldn't care less how many anonymous people are posting. Ya'll are all the same to me. If you didn't want to be lumped as all the same, you'd leave a handle. Either way, I couldn't care less.


"I actually agree with the first part where Gil scoring less can actually help this team, but the last part is just wrong. Many, MANY people have stated that they believe he can. There was an article that someone posted the link to, which also backed this up. Can't find it at the moment, but it was on ESPN.com...I'll try and look for it later if you want.

Posted by: | January 19, 2008 10:58 PM "

Wrong. After the all star game 2 seasons ago, Gilby came out and predicted that his scoring average would go down because he was going to involve other teammates into the offense. Wilbon even wrote about it. How did it play out? He was the same old Gilby...jacking up shots and doing everything to keep his scoring average up.

If you've learned nothing else, what you should know by now is that none of Gilby's words can be taken at face value. He says one thing, and does the complete opposite. I'm going by past actions/precedence, you're going by hope.

Posted by: DC Man88 | January 20, 2008 12:05 AM

As good as CBut is, he's being wildly overrated right now. Top 3 small forwards? Top 15 in the league? Eh, maybe. Franchise player? Yeah right. Franchise players don't disappear for long stretches and control games more often than he has.

I see CBut as a Scottie Pippen type--damn good and a player you'd love to have on your team, just don't expect him to carry it.

Posted by: Anonymous | January 20, 2008 12:42 AM

CBut is a great player for Les BouleS, as he provides the team with what they were lacking. Toughness, defense, maturity, leadership, and professionalism.

Now, he's also added scoring, a deep threat, ability to create, and now some swagger to counter garbage from opposing players like Paul Pierce and Quentin Richardson. If these are not qualities of a franchise player, then I don't know what is. Please, don't say "scoring and no defense."

He won't get on any newscast's highlight reel, but just gets the job done. He's almost like a Spurs or Pistons type of player.

Is he a top 3 small forward right now? I don't think ranking him means anything. Is he a franchise player? Maybe not for the Spurs or Pistons, but definitely for Les BouleS.

What CBut has shown is how much he means to the success of this franchise, AND HE'S DONE IT WITHOUT DRAWING ANY UNNECESSARY ATTENTION TO HIMSELF. Instead of saying he's going to become the MVP, his work ethic is causing his peers from around the league to notice and celebrate his accomplishments as he gains their respect.

When CBut was out last season, this team floundered. When Gilby left Les BouleS this season, this team started to thrive and develop an identity and cohesiveness.

It's telling what the "superstar" means to the team when he's not in the lineup and the team ends up playing way better than anyone expected, while your other two all stars are having career years.

Just win baby.

Posted by: DC Man88 | January 20, 2008 12:56 AM

Caron can't carry the Wizards? You must not have seen the game in Boston. The way he went at Paul Pierce and hit that driving hook off the glass at the end says it all. That's not part of CB's usual repertoire of shots, and he never goes down the right side of the lane. That was pure force of will--he simply was not going to be denied, so he made up a new move on the spot and got it to go down. To me, that's the definition of a player who can carry a team.

Posted by: John Brisker | January 20, 2008 1:00 AM

Where is this foofoo fake French Les Boules restaurant? Stop being so condescending and insulting idiotman88. The teams name is Wizards, that's what's on their shirts.

Posted by: Anonymous | January 20, 2008 4:03 AM

Don't take anything said on Full Court Press as having much merit. Pretty much everyone posting on this blog watches more Wizards games than the 4 of them combined. And years ago they all agreed that the Wizards should trade Arenas and the 5th pick in the draft for Allen Iverson. (Grunfeld, thankfully, doesn't rely on Mike Wilbon for advice and kept Gilbert and traded the pick for Jamison.)

It simply amazes me that when a guy gets injured, every forgets how good he is. Were those clowns on FCP suggesting that Arenas be traded when he put up 50+ against the Lakers and Suns last season? When he hit the game winning shot against Chicago in the playoffs, etc.? Buy low, sell high, not the other way around.

I don't see why everyone is so worried about "derailing" what the team has going now. Yes, I agree that the style of play is much better than before. But it's not like the Wizards are 28-14. They are 21-17, a 55% winning percentage. They obviously need the boost of a great player to get them from good to very good.

Posted by: Sean | January 20, 2008 9:17 AM

Trade Gilbert for whom?

All you Gil-haters, give us a *realistic* trade scenario. Someone who improves the team more than Gil does, given the Wizards' cap and luxury tax constraints. Not to mention someone who fits in better with Eddie's system. You will have to start out with an inherent disadvantage - a completely unnecessary break in continuity.

Posted by: reispace | January 20, 2008 9:51 AM

He can't carry them consistently and certainly disappears for stretches in games. Except for the last 5 minutes, he was having a mediocre game in Boston.

Ironic that DCMan is so obsessed with people drawing attention to themselves.

And the work ethic argument is nonsense. It's well documented how hard Gilbert works.

Posted by: Anonymous | January 20, 2008 10:16 AM

Not to mention that DCIdiot left off the other personality on FCP - David Dupree - the one who actually covers basketball. Dupree said the Wiz should never give up on a player who contributes 28 points per game and said that Kobe (at 30 years old) has changed his mentality this season and that Gilbert can as well.

But truly we should feel sorry for DCIdiot. He obviously lives in his parents basement and spends his time sticking needles in his Voodoo Gilbert doll. The dude is simply OBSESSED with Gil....he is deranged...and sad.

Posted by: Anonymous | January 20, 2008 10:44 AM

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasnt Scottie Pippen voted one of the top 50 basketball players of all time?

CB can't carry a team, but eventually he will be put on the top 50 ballers list?

DC Man88 is worthless, other than comic relief... Same goes with Lance and Herb Bridges.

BTW, CB is averaging 2.4 more ppg and AJ 1ppg more this year than last, so I can definitely see when GA comes back it will be difficult for CB and AJ to maintain their current pace, I mean where will CB get that 2.4 from? And AJ, that 1 point, thats gonna be tough.

Apparently GA being out has made CB a better shooter and free throw shooter. GA being out has made AJ a better rebounder.

The team is averaging 1 less assist this year than last.

Posted by: JSchon | January 20, 2008 10:55 AM

CB cannot carry this team any more than GA can. GA carried us OFFENSIVELY at times over that past few years but ultimately, they need each other (and AJ) for us to really succeed as a team. Fortunately, Wiz management seems to understand this and flatly denies any interest in trading Gilbert. In today's game, there are only a couple of guys carrying teams. In fact, LeBron is the only one that comes to mind and even he has 3 guys helping out by averaging 9 rebounds a game.
As far as McGuire goes, I have to agree that he's looked lost at times and the other teams seem to go on a run when he gets in the game. I'd limit his PT, too. As good as he is on help D blocking shots, he's a liability in man D. In time, he'll be a good player because he can pass very well. Right now, he's kind of like Pippen during his first couple years in the league. If we're lucky, he'll improve.

Posted by: mark | January 20, 2008 11:19 AM

Yeah, Scottie Pippen was damn good and so is Caron. Would you call Pippen a franchise player? Pippen couldn't carry a team either.

We don't disagree. Niether Gilbert nor Caron can carry a team to a championship alone (I think a Gilbert led team could got a bit farther, but I don't think he'd win it). Together they make a damn good combination though.

Posted by: Anonymous | January 20, 2008 11:52 AM

""That adage would only be valid if it was the same person, but it isn't, so once again you are wrong. Also, those weren't in response to you, so you managed to be wrong twice in the same sentence. But I guess you're used to that."

I really couldn't care less how many anonymous people are posting. Ya'll are all the same to me. If you didn't want to be lumped as all the same, you'd leave a handle. Either way, I couldn't care less."


And once again, you're still ignoring the main point and focusing on something trivial.

"BTW, CB is averaging 2.4 more ppg and AJ 1ppg more this year than last, so I can definitely see when GA comes back it will be difficult for CB and AJ to maintain their current pace, I mean where will CB get that 2.4 from? And AJ, that 1 point, thats gonna be tough."

I'm pretty sure that Caron's contribution to this team is more in the attitude and toughness that he brings, rather than clutch scoring or game domination.

"When CBut was out last season, this team floundered. When Gilby left Les BouleS this season, this team started to thrive and develop an identity and cohesiveness."

When Caron was out, so was Gil. I'm ignoring those couple of games between those two events, because apparently so are you for this year's success. Before Gil went out, they won 2 games in a row.

Posted by: Anonymous | January 20, 2008 11:58 AM

Can someone please post a review of Blatche, Nick Young, and Pecherov? I don't get to watch many of the games and I'm curious about how are young players are performing. (beyond the stats).

Thanks!

Posted by: Wasauna.com | January 20, 2008 12:44 PM

Correct, I love Caron, but he's not a franchise player. We need all 3 - Gilbert, Antawn and Caron together to be competitive.

Posted by: Anonymous | January 20, 2008 12:47 PM

For those of you who think the Wizards success this year is a direct result of Arenas being out, thus resulting in:

  • better defense

  • allowing Caron to shine

  • better ball movement

  • etc...
  • Here is a very well researched article by Kevin Broom on RealGM that tells the real story:

    http://www.realgm.com/src_goaltending/133/20080117/are_the_wizards_better_without_gilbert_arenas/

    After reading the article, I could only dream about how much better the Wizards will be when Arenas returns.

    Posted by: Rook | January 20, 2008 1:11 PM

    Ok... feel free to add party people...

    Blatche - HS players, no college, 3rd year in the league. First year was spent recovering from a gun shot wound, second year was spent on the pine with limited play. This year has shown signs of ability with signs of immaturity. Long player (6'11") and can handle the ball fairly well for a big guy. Limited jumper. At times looks great and at times looks lost. Needs to bulk up and play with more intensity. Youngest player on the team, probably wont reach potential for a couple of years, he is only 20 years old. Under contract for 5 years. Lot of upside.

    Young - Athletic guard who has a knack to score. Fluid game with a good jump shot. Can create own shot. Great body control near the bucket. Has shown signs of being explosive. Still learning the NBA game, especially on defense. Veteran guards have made him look clueless on D at times. Very young and talented. Lots of upside.

    Pecherov - 22 year old 7 footer who has played professional basketball for 3 or 4 years in Europe. Has a very good jump shot (not sure he jumps, but anyway). Gym rat, loves basketball, hustles and is coachable. Aggressive on offense and defense (although is not a great defender, not athletically gifted). Not scared to shoot and can hit the 3 with some consistency. Stronger than he looks, can guard the center position. Lots of upside.

    Posted by: JSchon | January 20, 2008 1:12 PM

    JSchon - the only thing I'd add is that Pech is a pretty good rebounder and doesn't mind mixing it up inside.

    I think Pech is closer to being a regular rotation player than Young; only because he seems to work harder and has played professionally in Europe.

    Posted by: Rook | January 20, 2008 1:28 PM

    "When Caron was out, so was Gil. I'm ignoring those couple of games between those two events, because apparently so are you for this year's success. Before Gil went out, they won 2 games in a row.

    Posted by: | January 20, 2008 11:58 AM "

    I guess you conveniently forgot the ill fated 1-4 west coast road trip when Caron was out with a bad back and it was critical and they thought they could go 1-4. Yeah right.

    Posted by: DC Man88 | January 20, 2008 1:34 PM

    This is a totally stupid post. What a waste:

    "Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasnt Scottie Pippen voted one of the top 50 basketball players of all time?

    CB can't carry a team, but eventually he will be put on the top 50 ballers list?

    DC Man88 is worthless, other than comic relief... Same goes with Lance and Herb Bridges.

    BTW, CB is averaging 2.4 more ppg and AJ 1ppg more this year than last, so I can definitely see when GA comes back it will be difficult for CB and AJ to maintain their current pace, I mean where will CB get that 2.4 from? And AJ, that 1 point, thats gonna be tough.

    Apparently GA being out has made CB a better shooter and free throw shooter. GA being out has made AJ a better rebounder.

    The team is averaging 1 less assist this year than last.

    Posted by: JSchon | January 20, 2008 10:55 AM "

    Posted by: DC Man88 | January 20, 2008 1:37 PM

    "Not to mention that DCIdiot left off the other personality on FCP - David Dupree - the one who actually covers basketball. Dupree said the Wiz should never give up on a player who contributes 28 points per game and said that Kobe (at 30 years old) has changed his mentality this season and that Gilbert can as well.

    But truly we should feel sorry for DCIdiot. He obviously lives in his parents basement and spends his time sticking needles in his Voodoo Gilbert doll. The dude is simply OBSESSED with Gil....he is deranged...and sad.

    Posted by: | January 20, 2008 10:44 AM "

    Idiot. I said the consensus was that Gilby should and will go. Dupree is retired and isn't even covering basketball anymore. Stupid fool.

    Posted by: DC Man88 | January 20, 2008 1:38 PM

    This is clearly a fool who's obsessed with high scoring games, but not with what really counts, and that's playoff success:


    "It simply amazes me that when a guy gets injured, every forgets how good he is. Were those clowns on FCP suggesting that Arenas be traded when he put up 50+ against the Lakers and Suns last season? When he hit the game winning shot against Chicago in the playoffs, etc.? Buy low, sell high, not the other way around.

    I don't see why everyone is so worried about "derailing" what the team has going now. Yes, I agree that the style of play is much better than before. But it's not like the Wizards are 28-14. They are 21-17, a 55% winning percentage. They obviously need the boost of a great player to get them from good to very good.

    Posted by: Sean | January 20, 2008 09:17 AM "

    Posted by: DC Man88 | January 20, 2008 1:40 PM

    "Where is this foofoo fake French Les Boules restaurant? Stop being so condescending and insulting idiotman88. The teams name is Wizards, that's what's on their shirts.

    Posted by: | January 20, 2008 04:03 AM "

    Les BouleS all the way!

    Posted by: DC Man88 | January 20, 2008 1:41 PM

    Thanks for the realgm link Rook. Excellent analysis.

    Too bad statistics and empirical evidence don't mean much to the more annoying types around here.

    Posted by: amalg | January 20, 2008 2:01 PM

    "My point is that statistics have demonstrated that when Etan is out BTH plays better and the Wizards are a significantly better team."

    When they're cited without context or examination, statistics don't demonstrate anything other than the fact that someone knows how to use a calculator. Numbers may not lie (and that's debatable) but they rarely tell the whole truth.

    To wit:

    How many of those games the Wiz lost when Etan was starting were played without Antawn, Gilbert, and/or Caron?

    Posted by: kalorama | January 20, 2008 2:05 PM

    Where is this foofoo fake French Les Boules restaurant?

    Posted by: | January 20, 2008 04:03 AM

    Les BouleS in French is "Balls" - I wonder if that's why DCidiot is so fixated on that phrase?

    Posted by: Anonymous | January 20, 2008 2:15 PM

    Les BouleS all the way!

    Posted by: DC Man88 | January 20, 2008 01:41 PM

    Sorta gives his last post a whole new meaning, huh?

    Posted by: Anonymous | January 20, 2008 2:17 PM

    Haven't had time to post for a few days, see there's been alot of the same ole, same ole, from the same ole, about Arenas.

    First of all, Way to go Gary Williams! Is there a better Coach in College basketball when it comes to knocking off a number one team? Hope this Maryland team has finally found an identity and this gets them rolling.

    I thought at the end I was watching a replay of the USA/ Soviet Union game in the 72' Olympics. When Hans/bows missed that shot I was waiting for the refs to put 5 seconds on the clock give the Tarheels the ball and let them try again!

    Now to the newest Gil debate, there is one thing hasn't changed in the 41 yrs. that I've been an NBA fan; it never matters who's starting, it's all about who finishes.

    The Spur have their second best player coming off the bench, the smartest coach in NBA history ALWAYS had his second best player coming off the bench.

    So, when Gil sees that the Wiz are playing well and says that he's willing to come off the bench to help maintain the team's chemistry while he gets back in the groove, that makes him a liar?

    Couldn't he just thinking about how to get himself back into game shape without hurting the flow of what's going on around him? One thing's very clear, Gil is very atuned to what's been going on with this team since he's been down.

    Watch him on the bench, listen to what his teammates are saying about him, they are all getting excited about what they have going and looking forward to what it can be when their most dynamic player gets back.

    Caron Butler has taken a step up in his game this year, no doubt, should be no debating that one. Saying that he's done it because Gil's out is just one of the plain stupidest things I've ever seen posted.

    The improvements in Butler's game came from a summer of hard work on conditioning and expanding his shooting range. In the process he changed from a guy that almost always dribbled and then shot to one that now catches the ball with his feet and hands in position to shoot.

    He's added a jab step that he almost never used before and has become a far more effective passer. Saying that because Gil is out he's more effective simply ignores the fact that this guy's improvement comes from an offseason of hard work and improvement.

    Butler's game now allows the Princeton offense to flow through him, Jamison or Daniels. His expanded range from the opposite side of the floor prevents teams from loading up in the lane. Which is what they did last year in the second half when Jamison went down.

    Add Arenas and his ability to drive and his shooting range and this offense will really click. Daniels will play an important role as he has down the stretch the last two years.

    To all of those that contend Gil's too selfish to blend into a team that's built to go deep into the playoffs my answer is simple. They said the same thing about Earl "The Pearl, he could never be part of a team, he was just a one on one player, he played no D.

    The Pearl proved them all wrong, was part of some great playoff teams, and was credited with being a great team player on an NBA title run. Only problem was he did it in NY, hope the Wizards are smart enough to let their young superstar mature and grow here.

    There is no conflict between Caron, Gil and Jamison. They all play different positions and thrive playing together. Look at the Wizards winning percentage when all three are healthy. With the improvements that Caron has made to his game why would anyone beleive that it would do anything but go up?

    Posted by: GM | January 20, 2008 2:49 PM

    Real Idiot, David Dupree took a buyout from USA Today last month. That's not necessarily the same as retiring. Even if he did, he's at least up to date as far as last month and knows more than anyone else on this board about the Wiz and the NBA.

    Anon, if Clewiston88 had been saying "Les Boules de Gilby" I would agree with you on his fixation. He's got a thing for his 'Gilby'. It's a love-hate thing that causes him to talk about Gilbert even when Gilbert isn't the topic of conversation. He tries to support Caron just to throw people off his trail but we know the deal. I can only imagine the number of sticky, stained posters he has of Arenas in him mom's basement and the different Gilbert screen savers that pop up on his pc.

    Posted by: Anonymous | January 20, 2008 2:56 PM

    Thanks for the link Rook, great breakdown on the Wizards. And glad to see the last line, the Wizards have a solid General Manager that isn't going to buy into this baseless better without Gil crap.

    Posted by: GM | January 20, 2008 3:14 PM

    Fun new drinking game, "OPEC: The White Hole" to be played during Wizards games.

    Each player's turn lasts one offensive possession only while Pecherov is in.

    1)OPEC shoots and misses, you drink.
    2)OPEC passes in the half court set, everyone else drinks.
    3)OPEC falls down (even in transition), everybody drinks.
    4)OPEC gets an offensive board with stickback, you must sing the modified Ukrainian National Anthem.
    (English version follows)
    Ukraine's glory hasn't perished, nor her freedom
    Upon us, fellow compatriots, fate shall smile once more.
    Our enemies will vanish, like dew in the morning sun,
    And we too shall rule, brothers, in a free land of our own, The Eastern Conference.
    We'll lay down our souls and bodies to attain our championship ring,
    And we'll show that we, brothers, are of the Kozak-Wizards nation.

    5) OPEC excitedly waves rally towel, another social in which everyone must stand and say "Bud'Mo!" which means "We Shall Live Forever!" in Ukrainian. (in case he doesn't play in the 2nd half.)
    6) OPEC scores, everyone cheers. Loudly.
    7) Don't worry so much about Gil and Etan's return. Instead, focus on the immediate gratification that is "OPEC: The White Hole".

    Note: Any and all beverages are permissible.

    Posted by: Pauly B. | January 20, 2008 3:19 PM

    Pauly B, that was a great post. So funny. Spoke with Pesh today and he's pumped up to play Dallas because his favorite player coming up was Dirk Nowitzki.

    Posted by: Ivan | January 20, 2008 3:46 PM

    wassauna, JSchon made a good post on the rooks. You can also get some decent (if limited) rookie rankings on the ESPN website. David Thorpe has kept track of all the rookies all season.. Young has typically been ranked as 12-18 best all season, though he climbed higher for a little bit. Pretty standard for a rookie with good upside: great shooting ability but has much to learn about good shot selection, playing good defense, etc.

    Posted by: andy | January 20, 2008 3:52 PM

    Anyone who asks why DMac does not play more must not watch when DMac actually plays because he looks lost out there and has very limited offensive skills. He should focus on hustle plays but at times plays like he is too cool for that type of game

    Posted by: Chad | January 20, 2008 4:02 PM

    Its a great idea. The team would be much better with Gilbert as the 6th man playing 32 minutes a night.


    I think its a great idea to have Gilbert off the bench as our 6th man.

    Gilbert will absolutely destroy opposing teams reserves when he initially enters, give us a huge boost/infusion of explosiveness and energy, and be our focal point initially upon entrance of our 2nd unit that will make plays and get easy baskets for his teammates that come off the bench with him.

    It immediatley makes our bench the best and most dangerous in the NBA.

    Our starters have gelled as a great and cohesive unit that plays well in all phases of the game on offense and defense, dont fix whats not broken, our starting unit has GREAT CHEMISTRY. Everyone is having more fun because they know theyll be involved on offense, theyre following their best players tone as a leader(Caron) of unselfishness on offense, effort on defense, toughness, poise, confidence and NO QUIT ever as you saw in Boston.


    It allows Antonio to be in the game to set our tempo, get everyone into flow/rhythym, get our offense initiated with an unselfish tone, and allows Deshawn to be out there with him as our lockdown perimeter defender setting the tone for our defense with great perimeter defense.

    Gilbert will still be on the floor to finish every game and will still play 30+ minutes a night, so we willl have 2 extremely dangerous closers in Gilbert and Caron that can create for themselves and their teammates on the floor in tight contests plus Antawn who is very dangerous in his own right at the 4 inside with Brendan at the 5.

    Plus much more benefits that I wont get into now.

    I think its a great idea overall and makes us so much more of a complete and dangerous team allaround on both ends of the floor.

    Posted by: Steve | January 20, 2008 5:00 PM

    Hey anon, Caron Butler is reaking out this year right in front of your eyes. HE IS A GREAT YOUNG LEADER AND a DEFINITE FRANCHISE PLAYER. HE IS THE 8TH RANKED PLAYER FOR PER RATING IN THE NBA AND THE 2nd RANKED SF ONLY BEHIND LEBRON.


    If Caron Butler isnt a franchise player, than neither is Brandon Roy, Carmelo Anthony, Paul Pierce, Tracy McGrady, or any other player in the NBA really besides Lebron, Wade, Kobe, KG, Duncan, Chris Paul, and Amare (The 7 players ranked ahead of him).

    Posted by: Anonymous | January 20, 2008 5:18 PM

    Yeah sean, good way to bend stats to make them go hand-in-hand with your argument.


    21-12 without Gilbert since that 0-5 start with Gilbert. That is a 68.5% winning percentage.

    Posted by: Anonymous | January 20, 2008 5:23 PM

    One difference though ANON: Kobe is a 2guard and it took him until he was 30 to figure it out (Now that its too late, Shaq is long gone and over the hill)


    Kobe is a 2guard, Gilbert is supposed to be a pointguard.

    Posted by: Anonymous | January 20, 2008 5:26 PM

    The Wiz won 3 striaght games with Gil before he went down so they were 3 and 5 with Gil and 17 and 12 without him.

    Sean not the only one bending stats.

    Posted by: GM | January 20, 2008 6:14 PM

    Why must I constantly remind people about the first five games this year.

    CB had 24 turnovers in that span 8 in one game.

    DS was shooting 17% from the floor, thats not a typo.

    AJ was shooting 33% from the floor.

    GA was shooting 32% and still not fully healed from his knee injury.

    Most importantly, the coaching staff was trying to change the make-up of the team completely. They even admitted it in print.

    Going 0-5 was as much CB fault as it was GA or AJ or DS or the coaching staff.

    Posted by: JSchon | January 20, 2008 6:36 PM

    I would add that the Wiz had focused on defense in the preseason and early season and they did not seem to be in sync offensively.

    The Wiz often start out slow and November is not usually a good month for them the last several years.

    Trying to correlate the first five games with Gilbert or anything else does not really make sense IMHO.

    Posted by: Anonymous | January 20, 2008 6:45 PM

    "Real Idiot, David Dupree took a buyout from USA Today last month. That's not necessarily the same as retiring. Even if he did, he's at least up to date as far as last month and knows more than anyone else on this board about the Wiz and the NBA.

    Anon, if Clewiston88 had been saying "Les Boules de Gilby" I would agree with you on his fixation. He's got a thing for his 'Gilby'. It's a love-hate thing that causes him to talk about Gilbert even when Gilbert isn't the topic of conversation. He tries to support Caron just to throw people off his trail but we know the deal. I can only imagine the number of sticky, stained posters he has of Arenas in him mom's basement and the different Gilbert screen savers that pop up on his pc.

    Posted by: | January 20, 2008 02:56 PM "

    Apparently YOU have a thing for Gilby since you're always defending him. I'm sure if he slapped his momma, beat his wife, or kicked his kids, you could come up with an argument on how great he is.

    LOL!

    Posted by: DC Man88 | January 20, 2008 6:48 PM

    Well said JSchon,The changes they were making in the defense resulted in the 21-12 run which started before Arenas went down.

    Posted by: GM | January 20, 2008 6:49 PM

    "So, when Gil sees that the Wiz are playing well and says that he's willing to come off the bench to help maintain the team's chemistry while he gets back in the groove, that makes him a liar?

    Couldn't he just thinking about how to get himself back into game shape without hurting the flow of what's going on around him? One thing's very clear, Gil is very atuned to what's been going on with this team since he's been down.


    Posted by: GM | January 20, 2008 02:49 PM "

    Again, GM proves how old, senile, naive, gullible, goofy, and idiotic he is. Reread this blog and you will see that even Ivan mentions (nevermind the FCP panel) that Gilby is known for saying one thing one minute, and then do or say the total opposite later. Sounds to me like a liar.

    Posted by: DC Man88 | January 20, 2008 6:52 PM

    "Where is this foofoo fake French Les Boules restaurant?

    Posted by: | January 20, 2008 04:03 AM

    Les BouleS in French is "Balls" - I wonder if that's why DCidiot is so fixated on that phrase?

    Posted by: | January 20, 2008 02:15 PM

    Les BouleS all the way!

    Posted by: DC Man88 | January 20, 2008 01:41 PM

    Sorta gives his last post a whole new meaning, huh?

    Posted by: | January 20, 2008 02:17 PM "

    Who carrrreesss?? Only you.

    Les BouleS all the way!

    Posted by: DC Man88 | January 20, 2008 6:53 PM

    Man you all must be eatin that spoiled cabbage again!

    Adding Gilbert to this team is essential for us to get far in the playoffs! One issue is depth. Right now our only pg is Daniels. And Arenas ability to score and outright dominate a game is something you gotta have against the elite teams like Detroit, San Antonio, and Phoenix.

    Add Arenas to this team with the workmanlike way they are playing and they will be very dangerous and very tough to beat come the playoffs. With Arenas as the elite scorer taking the MJ role and Caron as the ultimate all-around player as his Pippen running mate. Jamison adds that 3rd guy that will make you pay if you leave him open. Gil plays well with DeShawn so I don't see any issue as far as working him back in.

    Daniels then moves to the 2nd unit and brings stability with a vet running that group. You now got a pair of reliable guards in AD and Mason off the bench. AD and Songaila play well together, and AD's leadership will help the young guys like Young and Blatche.

    I also think it would be great getting Etan back, especially come playoff time when the game slows down, becomes more physical, and every rebound has so much importance. Adding a physical energetic player who blocks shots and rebounds like Etan, and gives us an extra 6 fouls, for 10-15 minutes a game would be a huge boost to our bench. Etan's whole attitude and style of play will fit in very well with this team and they way they are playing.

    Posted by: Darnell | January 20, 2008 6:55 PM

    "Well said JSchon,The changes they were making in the defense resulted in the 21-12 run which started before Arenas went down.

    Posted by: GM | January 20, 2008 06:49 PM "

    You idiots can continue to yap on and on about how great an impact Gilby can make when he returns or how good he was before he left the season. This team is busy playing well and gelling without him.

    The bottom line is this team is playing way better as a team since he's been gone, especially on the defensive end. Guys have stepped up and shown that this team is not only surviving without him, they are thriving. Many coaches and other players around the league have noted this.

    Posted by: DC Man88 | January 20, 2008 7:01 PM

    Many coaches and other players around the league have noted this.

    Posted by: DC Man88 | January 20, 2008 07:01 PM

    Which coaches? Which players? Please post the links....

    Posted by: Anonymous | January 20, 2008 7:03 PM

    "Many coaches and other players around the league have noted this.

    Posted by: DC Man88 | January 20, 2008 07:01 PM

    Which coaches? Which players? Please post the links....

    Posted by: | January 20, 2008 07:03 PM "

    I guess you've never heard of Kevin Garnett and/or didn't read the post by Michael Lee where he spoke to a well respected coach who made those comments. If you're really up on your Les BouleS news, you would have seen it.

    Posted by: DC Man88 | January 20, 2008 7:08 PM

    2 people. wow.

    Posted by: Anonymous | January 20, 2008 7:12 PM

    If you don't see it (better D, better chemistry, more rounded attack, toughness, etc), you must be blind.

    Check the standings, do you see Les BouleS as a bottom feeder team or in playoff contention right now, WITHOUT THEIR SELF PROCLAIMED MAX MONEY FRANCHISE PLAYER!

    Posted by: DC Man88 | January 20, 2008 7:16 PM

    If you think it's all based on Gilbert being out and that he won't help this team when he's back, then you must be an idiot.

    Posted by: Anonymous | January 20, 2008 7:18 PM

    "If you think it's all based on Gilbert being out and that he won't help this team when he's back, then you must be an idiot.

    Posted by: | January 20, 2008 07:18 PM "

    You're stupid b/c I never said Gilby couldn't help the team. You're also an idiot because I said that Les BouleS are thriving without him, and improving, which obviously you can't deny. So STFU.

    Posted by: DC Man88 | January 20, 2008 7:20 PM

    yeah and Gil just turned 26...

    Posted by: Anonymous | January 20, 2008 7:28 PM

    Yeah, and Lebron just turned 23 and went to the finals last year. So?

    Posted by: DC Man88 | January 20, 2008 7:29 PM

    deny? talk about denial... DCWoman88 wanting to $uck on Gil's schlong and getting denied, AGAIN!

    Posted by: Anonymous | January 20, 2008 7:32 PM

    Such language Herb...

    Would your students approve of your vulgarness?

    The point is Lance, is that you on every topic somehow interject your disdain for GA. The blog could be about Kwame Brown and you would find a way to type the same old crap you always say about GA.

    No one really cares about your opinion anymore. No one. You just make people laugh at you. Which, to be honest, is entertaining.

    You're like organ grinder monkey, no purpose, just funny in small doses.

    Posted by: JSchon | January 20, 2008 7:32 PM

    So LeTravel did make it to the finals last year, then what did he do? And how many leading 23 year olds actually make the finals? lol

    Posted by: Anonymous | January 20, 2008 7:33 PM

    Recently read this quote from Kobe Bryant following the Lakers' drubbing of the Hornets, in which Bryant scored only 19 points:
    "My role now has changed. I'm not the guy who has to go out and score 35-something points. They come to me to get buckets when we need a little boost here and there and that's as it should be."

    If Kobe can assume that role, I see no reason why Gilbert couldn't pull it off. When a team is winning, players can make all sorts of remarkable adjustments.

    Posted by: satch | January 20, 2008 7:35 PM

    DC man don't let them talk to you that way. I don't think you're pathetic. You HILARIOUS!

    Posted by: i smoke | January 20, 2008 7:35 PM

    "deny? talk about denial... DCWoman88 wanting to $uck on Gil's schlong and getting denied, AGAIN!

    Posted by: | January 20, 2008 07:32 PM "

    I'm happy for your dad though. He said he gets good schlong from your moms.

    Posted by: DC Man88 | January 20, 2008 7:36 PM

    "If Kobe can assume that role, I see no reason why Gilbert couldn't pull it off. When a team is winning, players can make all sorts of remarkable adjustments.

    Posted by: satch | January 20, 2008 07:35 PM "

    Yeah, if only Gilby had the rings and plays both D and offense like Kobe does. Comparing Gilby to Kobe is like comparing a HS player to a Hall of Famer.

    Posted by: DC Man88 | January 20, 2008 7:37 PM

    "So LeTravel did make it to the finals last year, then what did he do? And how many leading 23 year olds actually make the finals? lol

    Posted by: | January 20, 2008 07:33 PM "

    So when has Gilby ever sniffed the finals? What kind of playoff success has he had? What Gilby has accomplished is to inflate his own scoring average to the detriment of his team.

    Posted by: DC Man88 | January 20, 2008 7:39 PM

    satch, you are right on regarding Kobe/Gil. David Dupree said the exact same thing on Full Court Press last night. However, the Village Idiot only wanted to post what the others (Wilbon, Michael, and Kornheiser) said. None of whom cover the Wiz.

    Posted by: Anonymous | January 20, 2008 7:40 PM

    "satch, you are right on regarding Kobe/Gil. David Dupree said the exact same thing on Full Court Press last night. However, the Village Idiot only wanted to post what the others (Wilbon, Michael, and Kornheiser) said. None of whom cover the Wiz.

    Posted by: | January 20, 2008 07:40 PM "

    Strange, I didn't know that Dupree covered any teams anymore. Also, I guess you didn't realize that Wilbon does NBA coverage right now.

    Speaking of Dupree, he did say that he assumes Gilby will be smart enough to open up his ears and brain to listen and see that this team has changed since he's been out and he knows he has to come in and adapt to the team, not vice versa. Gilby will need to lose his score first and no D mentality in order to fit in.

    Posted by: DC Man88 | January 20, 2008 7:43 PM

    So when has Gilby ever sniffed the finals? What kind of playoff success has he had? What Gilby has accomplished is to inflate his own scoring average to the detriment of his team.

    Posted by: DC Man88 | January 20, 2008 07:39 PM

    You're so right DC Man88 - Gilbert sucks because he's never gone to the finals.

    So does Caron Butler .... He's never gotten to the finals either - so he sucks too.

    Matter of fact, the Wizards need to completely rebuild their team - get rid of all their players - cuz they ALL suck.

    Posted by: Anonymous | January 20, 2008 7:47 PM

    Kobe is a great player, no doubt... but he won his rings with The Big Aristotle in his prime.

    Kobe has done nothing since Shaq's departure.

    Last year, if we werent without GA and CB, anything could've happened in the series with CLE.

    Posted by: JSchon | January 20, 2008 7:48 PM

    "You're so right DC Man88 - Gilbert sucks because he's never gone to the finals.

    So does Caron Butler .... He's never gotten to the finals either - so he sucks too.

    Matter of fact, the Wizards need to completely rebuild their team - get rid of all their players - cuz they ALL suck.

    Posted by: | January 20, 2008 07:47 PM "

    You said it. We'll hold you to it.

    Posted by: DC Man88 | January 20, 2008 7:51 PM

    "deny? talk about denial... DCWoman88 wanting to $uck on Gil's schlong and getting denied, AGAIN!

    Posted by: | January 20, 2008 07:32 PM "

    I'm happy for your dad though. He said he gets good schlong from your moms.

    Posted by: DC Man88 | January 20, 2008 07:36 PM

    You're really are pathetic DC Woman. He says you are in denial for your Gil longings and you come back about his mom and dad? ROFL.

    What anon says is true then, no more denials from you. That is the first step towards your recovery with your mental affliction. Keep it up, you might eventually live a semi normal life if you don't hang yourself first. Resist that urge, son.

    Posted by: Anonymous | January 20, 2008 7:52 PM

    "Kobe is a great player, no doubt... but he won his rings with The Big Aristotle in his prime.

    Kobe has done nothing since Shaq's departure.

    Last year, if we werent without GA and CB, anything could've happened in the series with CLE.

    Posted by: JSchon | January 20, 2008 07:48 PM "

    Is that new news? Did MJ, the best player of all time, win anything without Scottie?

    I'd rather make "excuses" for winning rings rather than make "excuses" for missing free throws, not playing D, or not having any rings.

    Posted by: DC Man88 | January 20, 2008 7:53 PM

    You're stupid b/c I never said Gilby couldn't help the team. You're also an idiot because I said that Les BouleS are thriving without him, and improving, which obviously you can't deny. So STFU.

    Posted by: DC Man88 | January 20, 2008 07:20 PM

    no, you STFU. you're the one that runs his mouth all the time. You never back up anything you say, and every piece of "evidence" you have is circumstantial. Yea, I can't deny that they are doing well. Why am I an idiot for this?

    Posted by: Anonymous | January 20, 2008 7:55 PM

    You said it. We'll hold you to it.

    Posted by: DC Man88 | January 20, 2008 07:51 PM

    See, you say something snarky because he called you on a point that you were wrong about. Typical.

    Posted by: Anonymous | January 20, 2008 7:56 PM

    "no, you STFU. you're the one that runs his mouth all the time. You never back up anything you say, and every piece of "evidence" you have is circumstantial. Yea, I can't deny that they are doing well. Why am I an idiot for this?

    Posted by: | January 20, 2008 07:55 PM "

    STFU. Go find anywhere that I wrote that Gilby couldn't help the team. Go back that up, or otherwise, once again, STFU.

    Posted by: DC Man88 | January 20, 2008 7:57 PM

    oooooohhhhhh. DC man say something else about Gilby, that ought to distract those suckers for a while longer.

    Posted by: i smoke | January 20, 2008 7:58 PM

    I'd rather make "excuses" for winning rings rather than make "excuses" for missing free throws, not playing D, or not having any rings.

    Posted by: DC Man88 | January 20, 2008 07:53 PM

    Don't worry man, you'll make that 7000 back someday. And stop this "no rings" nonsense. There are great players that never win any rings.

    Posted by: Anonymous | January 20, 2008 7:58 PM

    If Gilbert does come back to the Wiz fully healthy by Mar 1 as he claims he might, we will all get a chance to see just what affect he has on the current Wizards.

    Then those who are wrong in their speculations above can stand corrected. (I think he will probably improve the team noticably, but if they do not get past the second round of the playoffs, it may give EG pause for thought.)

    It is not that far away.

    Posted by: Tim | January 20, 2008 8:00 PM

    STFU. Go find anywhere that I wrote that Gilby couldn't help the team. Go back that up, or otherwise, once again, STFU.

    Posted by: DC Man88 | January 20, 2008 07:57 PM

    No, you first tell me why I'm an idiot for thinking this team is doing well without Gil. Also, I said "if". You've never once stated that Gil can help this team, and have in fact said they're better off trading him.

    Posted by: Anonymous | January 20, 2008 8:05 PM

    "Don't worry man, you'll make that 7000 back someday. And stop this "no rings" nonsense. There are great players that never win any rings.

    Posted by: | January 20, 2008 07:58 PM "

    Your mom's pimp won't make that back if she sucked schlong every day for the rest of her life.

    Posted by: DC Man88 | January 20, 2008 8:06 PM

    So Robert Horry would be better than Steve Nash? The Mailman? Barkley?

    Judging someone, who just turned 26, and was injured last year during the playoffs just shows how much you have it for GA.

    The facts are the Wiz were a joke prior to GA and EG. GA, EG and EJ have put us on the map, in short matter of time.

    The team has evolved and the pieces are forming together. Championship teams dont just happen. It takes years to put it together. MJ took 7 years for his first and he was on the same team for all seven of those years.

    Posted by: JSchon | January 20, 2008 8:09 PM

    "No, you first tell me why I'm an idiot for thinking this team is doing well without Gil. Also, I said "if". You've never once stated that Gil can help this team, and have in fact said they're better off trading him.

    Posted by: | January 20, 2008 08:05 PM "

    You're an idiot because I never said this team is better without Gilby.

    Posted by: DC Man88 | January 20, 2008 8:09 PM

    Your mom's pimp won't make that back if she sucked schlong every day for the rest of her life.

    Posted by: DC Man88 | January 20, 2008 08:06 PM

    No response, so you just go for insults. Still going with that third-grade mentality, huh?

    Posted by: Anonymous | January 20, 2008 8:12 PM

    You're an idiot because I never said this team is better without Gilby.

    Posted by: DC Man88 | January 20, 2008 08:09 PM

    Which I addressed in the other post. You can't read?

    Posted by: Anonymous | January 20, 2008 8:14 PM

    "No response, so you just go for insults. Still going with that third-grade mentality, huh?

    Posted by: | January 20, 2008 08:12 PM "

    You're a jack@ss, because my response was to your idiotic statement about some stupid $7000 bet that never happened. Blind idiot.

    -----------------------------------------

    "Don't worry man, you'll make that 7000 back someday. And stop this "no rings" nonsense. There are great players that never win any rings.

    Posted by: | January 20, 2008 07:58 PM"

    Posted by: DC Man88 | January 20, 2008 8:17 PM

    Thanks Rook for the realgm link. It verified what my gut was telling me. It's all about the D, baby. Many of us have been shouting that for 2-3 years. I am stunned that this year they actually didn't just talk about it in October. It is January and they have transformed themselves mentally into a tough, defensive minded team when they need to. For example the 2 Celts games looked like May eastern conference playoff basketball, not a January game. Yet we didn't revert to the run and shoot team of old. Props to the coaches and the on court leaders. I am now convinced that the culture of the team has changed. Which brings me to Arenas.

    My take is that Gilbert's comments should be music to the ears of any true Wizards fan, even if Jordan chooses tactically to ignore it. And it wouldn't surprise me if he does ignore it and start Gilbert right off the bat. To me the issue for weeks has been will all this bench time mature Arenas or will he return eager to prove that he can live up to his well deserved hype. I think what we see now is that the leadership of Jamison, Butler and Daniels have gotten through to him so that he understands that he needs to return with more of a team-oriented game. I hoped he would make statements about returning with team attitude. To hear him say he is willing to come off the bench is wonderful. If he does do this, I am not even sure how long Jordan should use the strategy. But to hear him verbalize his willingness is great.

    We are developing rather quickly a very deep team, especially in the front court. I hope that Jamison and Butler's minutes can be cut back a little bit. We need to figure out what our top 8 contributers will be in May. I look at the standings and think that a 2 seed is not out of the question.

    Just think, wouldn't it be interesting to see the Cavs in the first round? If everybody is healthy on both teams, I think we would easily win in 4 or 5. Wouldn't that be sweet!

    Posted by: BmoreRev | January 20, 2008 8:18 PM

    "The facts are the Wiz were a joke prior to GA and EG. GA, EG and EJ have put us on the map, in short matter of time.

    The team has evolved and the pieces are forming together. Championship teams dont just happen. It takes years to put it together. MJ took 7 years for his first and he was on the same team for all seven of those years.

    Posted by: JSchon | January 20, 2008 08:09 PM "

    You're a joke if you're only attributing Les BouleS success (being put on the map) to Gilby, EG, and EJ without mentioning the contributions of other players like AJ and CBut.

    Gilby would not be able to score his average if AJ or CBut weren't on this team, nevermind sniffing the playoffs.

    Posted by: DC Man88 | January 20, 2008 8:20 PM

    And let's not forget the contributions of Larry Hughes when Les BouleS went to the second round and Gilby hasn't been to the 2nd round since he left.

    Conclusion: Gilby is but one player. He's not the sole reason for Les BouleS success.

    Posted by: DC Man88 | January 20, 2008 8:23 PM

    that's his excuse everytime with players saying they never won a ring. then you say LeBron or Karl Malone hasn't won a ring yet and he'll say they've gone to the finals, at least, etc...typical cop out

    Posted by: Anonymous | January 20, 2008 8:24 PM

    "

    that's his excuse everytime with players saying they never won a ring. then you say LeBron or Karl Malone hasn't won a ring yet and he'll say they've gone to the finals, at least, etc...typical cop out

    Posted by: | January 20, 2008 08:24 PM "

    You're like a little girl.

    Fine, ignore Kobe's rings. Go compare Kobe's stats with Gilby's stats, and compare their awards. Kobe brings it on both ends, and Kobe came into the league straight from HS.

    ------------------------------------------

    Kobe

    9-time NBA All-Star
    9-time All-NBA Selection
    7-time All-Defensive Selection
    2-time NBA All-Star MVP
    2-time NBA Scoring Champion
    1997 NBA Slam Dunk Champion
    1996 Naismith Prep Player of the Year
    1996-1997 All Rookie Second Team

    Gilby

    2002-03 NBA Most Improved Player

    Posted by: DC Man88 | January 20, 2008 8:27 PM

    "You're a jack@ss, because my response was to your idiotic statement about some stupid $7000 bet that never happened. Blind idiot."

    I know that. I'm not the blind one that ignores parts of others' posts and just focuses on the arguments that i have (weak) responses for.

    Posted by: Anonymous | January 20, 2008 8:28 PM

    ooooooh now we're comparing the best player in the nba in his prime who played with one of the best centers in his prime to Gil. nice... another cop out as usual. keep diggin' sonny boy, you'll eventually get somewhere...

    Posted by: Anonymous | January 20, 2008 8:31 PM

    How many ppg did CBut score for us the year we went to the playoffs with Larry Hughes? That's when we were put on the map. Wasn't that the year that GA hit a shot to advance us into the 2nd round? That's not sniffing the playoffs? Idiot !

    Posted by: Anonymous | January 20, 2008 8:32 PM

    I'm not even going to reply to your blatant omissions.

    Village Idiot continues to entertain.

    Posted by: JSchon | January 20, 2008 8:34 PM

    Just think, wouldn't it be interesting to see the Cavs in the first round?

    Posted by: BmoreRev | January 20, 2008 08:18 PM

    Looking that far ahead, and assuming the Wizards have everyone healthy by then - I think they match up well against anyone they might face in the East EXCEPT Boston and Toronto.

    I think they would win a series against Cleveland - actually, I think they would EASILY win against Cleveland.

    I like they way they match up against both Detroit and Orlando.

    I think they would run right through Atlanta and New Jersey...

    But - Bosh and Toronto always give the Wiz fits...

    And regardless of what just happened, Boston is the best team in the East - and I think both Garnett and Pierce will have their way with the Wiz. Especially Pierce - he's just a different kind of player against Washington (most of the time)...

    Please keep in mind that these are just my humble opinions... You have my permission to disagree. Your results may vary....fine print... caveat... blah blah blah....etc.etc.....

    Posted by: Rook | January 20, 2008 8:41 PM

    nice all star omissions for Gil DCWoman, shows everyone your true colors. BTW you sure know so much about Kobe. You must be that CO woman sucking on Kobe's schlong we all heard about. Getting denied by Gil must have hurt once you've had Kobe beef!

    Posted by: Anonymous | January 20, 2008 8:44 PM

    Wow! Kobe beef and true rainbow colors? That's HILARIOUS! ROFL! Best post ever man.

    Posted by: i smoke | January 20, 2008 8:50 PM

    See even Gilbert knows he is going to mess up the flow of the team.

    Posted by: Anonymous | January 20, 2008 9:06 PM

    Just get rid of Gilbert now for something that helps the team. No way will he mesh into this philosophy of team. He will ruin everything once he comes back. If he's the 6th man I want him back but not as a starter

    Posted by: Anonymous | January 20, 2008 9:08 PM

    "I know that. I'm not the blind one that ignores parts of others' posts and just focuses on the arguments that i have (weak) responses for.

    Posted by: | January 20, 2008 08:28 PM "

    You're an idiot. Who the F knows what you do or don't do since you post without a handle? Stupid.

    Posted by: DC Man88 | January 20, 2008 9:59 PM

    "ooooooh now we're comparing the best player in the nba in his prime who played with one of the best centers in his prime to Gil. nice... another cop out as usual. keep diggin' sonny boy, you'll eventually get somewhere...

    Posted by: | January 20, 2008 08:31 PM "

    Compare the individual awards idiot, especially "7 Time All Defensive Team."

    Posted by: DC Man88 | January 20, 2008 10:01 PM

    "I'm not even going to reply to your blatant omissions.

    Village Idiot continues to entertain.

    Posted by: JSchon | January 20, 2008 08:34 PM "

    I'm not going to reply to your blantant omissions of Gilby's shortcomings in team play and defense.

    Posted by: DC Man88 | January 20, 2008 10:02 PM

    "nice all star omissions for Gil DCWoman, shows everyone your true colors. BTW you sure know so much about Kobe. You must be that CO woman sucking on Kobe's schlong we all heard about. Getting denied by Gil must have hurt once you've had Kobe beef!

    Posted by: | January 20, 2008 08:44 PM "

    Whoopee. Go get on Wikipedia and add it to his almightly list of personal awards. Maybe then he'll come closer to Kobe's list. NOT!

    Posted by: DC Man88 | January 20, 2008 10:03 PM

    You're an idiot. Who the F knows what you do or don't do since you post without a handle? Stupid.

    Posted by: DC Man88 | January 20, 2008 09:59 PM

    ok, fair enough, i'll start posting with a handle now.
    We all know Gil has his faults, and that there are parts to his game that he needs to work on...doesn't mean he can't, or won't. In fact, he's shown time and again that he's willing to do what it takes to win games. Yea, he's zany and immature at times, but as a baller you can't argue with his dedication or commitment.

    Posted by: Anonymous | January 20, 2008 10:23 PM

    that was me last post.

    Posted by: babbtong | January 20, 2008 10:24 PM

    I don't disagree with that at all. But, I'd rather see it first to believe it, not just talk about it and/or boldly proclaim how great he will be for this changed team once he returns as many do here.

    We've seen Gilby enough for the past few years to know that he's got a personal motive for everything, and that motive, along with inconsistent statements that people soak up (typical excuse: he's just quirky), is self promotion.

    Posted by: DC Man88 | January 20, 2008 10:36 PM

    Haywood, Jamison, Butler, Stevenson, Arenas

    Etan, Blatche, Pecherov, Songaila, DMac, Young, Mason, Daniels

    Posted by: Darnell | January 20, 2008 10:37 PM

    Must be nice to have the time to post on a Washington Wizards blog over 40 times a day, when you despise their most marketable and arguably best player. I can't even begin to comprehend the amount of time you spend on this blog. Hope thats working out well for you. Must be a pretty exciting life you live. Keep it up, you will go far.

    Posted by: DT | January 20, 2008 10:42 PM

    "Must be nice to have the time to post on a Washington Wizards blog over 40 times a day, when you despise their most marketable and arguably best player. I can't even begin to comprehend the amount of time you spend on this blog. Hope thats working out well for you. Must be a pretty exciting life you live. Keep it up, you will go far.

    Posted by: DT | January 20, 2008 10:42 PM "

    It is nice, and it's working out really well. Thanks.

    Posted by: DC Man88 | January 20, 2008 10:45 PM

    How can it be working out well when EVERYONE HATES YOU and no one respects your opinion?

    Posted by: Lisa_R | January 20, 2008 10:50 PM

    "Must be nice to have the time to post on a Washington Wizards blog over 40 times a day, when you despise their most marketable and arguably best player. I can't even begin to comprehend the amount of time you spend on this blog. Hope thats working out well for you. Must be a pretty exciting life you live. Keep it up, you will go far.

    Posted by: DT | January 20, 2008 10:42 PM ""

    Speaking of which, I'm glad you have the time every day to count and tally my comments to say that I post over 40/day. Must be a pretty exciting life you live. Keep it up, and you will go far.

    Posted by: DC Man88 | January 20, 2008 10:52 PM

    "How can it be working out well when EVERYONE HATES YOU and no one respects your opinion?

    Posted by: Lisa_R | January 20, 2008 10:50 PM "

    How is that my problem? Sounds like it's yours. Maybe if I gave a sh@t.

    Posted by: DC Man88 | January 20, 2008 10:53 PM

    "How can it be working out well when EVERYONE HATES YOU and no one respects your opinion?

    Posted by: Lisa_R | January 20, 2008 10:50 PM "

    Not everyone. That "i smoke" dude loooves him.

    "I don't disagree with that at all. But, I'd rather see it first to believe it, not just talk about it and/or boldly proclaim how great he will be for this changed team once he returns as many do here.

    We've seen Gilby enough for the past few years to know that he's got a personal motive for everything, and that motive, along with inconsistent statements that people soak up (typical excuse: he's just quirky), is self promotion.

    Posted by: DC Man88 | January 20, 2008 10:36 PM"

    Not really...I mean, what about him helping out the kid during Christmas? He didn't really talk about it himself, it was the media...and it didn't even get that much coverage. Gil obviously has a desire to "get big," but you can't really argue that it hurts the team most times...like your example of him proclaiming that they'd beat the Celtics fired them up. Either way, the C's would have won that game. The Wizards AS A WHOLE were playing really bad basketball. He runs his mouth, it's true, but people are willing to forgive that when he is able to offer so much more to this city...just like people in LA love Kobe, even with all his faults. (Yea, yea, Gil isn't as accomplished or arguably as talented as Kobe, but that's not why people love 'em.)

    Posted by: babbtong | January 20, 2008 11:07 PM

    Let's not forget how Gilby last year had this great coming out party and declared that he was going to be the MVP of the all star game and how he was going to win the 3 point contest. Right before the event, he hurt his shoulder. Instead of bowing out of the festivities to heal up for the sake of Les BouleS, he went to Vegas anyway.

    Unfortunately, he didn't use Nash as an example, who bowed out because he said he wanted to heal up for the 2nd half of the season. Went ahead and did the 3 point contest which traditionally throws off our shooting stroke, and bombed in the actual game.

    We all know how the 2nd half of last season went after that, as Gilby was diagnosed with a dislocated clavicle, etc. He couldn't hit the side of a barn after the doctor "miraculously" popped it back into place. His knee injury actually ended his miserable 2nd half of last season as the team was in a downward spiral.

    Don't forget also his much ballyhooed comeback part deux this past summer, biking around town and running with a parachute while making sure all of the press was aware of it. Unfortunately, Gilby wasn't smart enough to get this workout regiment ok'd by his doctors first. Now, after being out since April of last year, he's still out. Not smart.

    Posted by: DC Man88 | January 20, 2008 11:25 PM

    Wow this place has become a forum by, for and of DCMAN. No one can disagree with this poster, no one is allowed to. It's a wonder Washington Post's watchdogs haven't come down on this place yet.

    Posted by: Anonymous | January 21, 2008 12:04 AM

    Boo hoo....

    Posted by: DC Man88 | January 21, 2008 12:35 AM

    What if DC Man88 is actually Gilbert Arenas, pulling a joke on Washington Post readers by criticizing himself? Bizarre and improbable, I know, but just to be on the safe side, don't eat any powdered sugar donuts that DC Man88 offers you.

    Posted by: Gilby | January 21, 2008 12:44 AM

    Nice posts by B-rev and Rook last night, 88'er, keep pounding those keys, it's been about a month, I'm sure a thought will pop out any time now.

    Boy, the "NEW" 88'er we got to see at Christmas sure didn't last long. All that "Peace on Earth, and good will toward men,"(Lisa, he never got over the woman thing,don't take it personal, it's one of those mother things) is as long gone as eggnog shakes at Micky D's.

    Gilby, that's a funny thought! Maybe it's Arenas posting here as 88'er just for laughs. You know, he is known as a practical joker, and since he's injuried he does have some time on his hands. And everybody knows he really loves blog. Maybe 88'er is one of his cartoon characters he's trying out on us.

    So, that 88'er is just that darn quirky Gil pulling all of our legs! Oh Gil, you're so damn funny!

    Either that or he's some sick bastard living in his mother's cellar with a really sick obsession.

    Now he's thinking... Lefty, a barn, a horse, you all know the rest....

    Posted by: GM | January 21, 2008 8:04 AM

    "What if DC Man88 is actually Gilbert Arenas, pulling a joke on Washington Post readers by criticizing himself? Bizarre and improbable, I know, but just to be on the safe side, don't eat any powdered sugar donuts that DC Man88 offers you.

    Posted by: Gilby | January 21, 2008 12:44 AM "

    Gilby aint that smart.

    Posted by: DC Man88 | January 21, 2008 8:36 AM

    "Boy, the "NEW" 88'er we got to see at Christmas sure didn't last long. All that "Peace on Earth, and good will toward men,"(Lisa, he never got over the woman thing,don't take it personal, it's one of those mother things) is as long gone as eggnog shakes at Micky D's.

    So, that 88'er is just that darn quirky Gil pulling all of our legs! Oh Gil, you're so damn funny!

    Either that or he's some sick bastard living in his mother's cellar with a really sick obsession.

    Now he's thinking... Lefty, a barn, a horse, you all know the rest....

    Posted by: GM | January 21, 2008 08:04 AM "


    GM, you naive and goofy old dude, thanks for revealing that Lisa is the dumb ho that keeps posting anonymously and changing my name.

    Whatever the case, keep believing what you want to believe. In GM's case, he believes anything. I'm sure that makes his wife's life much easier when she came home smelling like a barn.

    Posted by: DC Man88 | January 21, 2008 8:39 AM

    You really are deranged. I have never posted anonymously and under your name.

    Posted by: Lisa | January 21, 2008 9:13 AM

    DC Man88/Herb Bridges/Lance has nothing better to do than bash GA and posters in here...

    His rants are all the same, none of them supported by anything more than his own useless opinion...

    BTW Herb... Do your parents know you still wear diapers?

    Posted by: JSchon | January 21, 2008 9:25 AM

    "You really are deranged. I have never posted anonymously and under your name.

    Posted by: Lisa | January 21, 2008 09:13 AM "

    Go take that up with GM. Notice how you only post using you handle when your name is mentioned, while lurking anonymously otherwise. You're a sneaky little ho.

    Posted by: DC Man88 | January 21, 2008 9:50 AM

    JSchon/GM/GM's daughterinlaw/Ray/Gack/etc. has nothing better to do than wait around for me to post and then rant about what I write.

    At least I'm writing about Les BouleS and Gilby which is what this blog was set up for, unlike you.

    Go get a life.

    Posted by: DC Man88 | January 21, 2008 9:52 AM

    I've already posted my opinion/facts on a boat load of topics. I'm sure after todays 1 o'clock game I will post again.

    You are like clockwork. You know what you get before it happens. Its always spiteful and unintelligent.

    Why dont you try a different tactic Herb?

    Posted by: JSchon | January 21, 2008 9:56 AM

    "I've already posted my opinion/facts on a boat load of topics. I'm sure after todays 1 o'clock game I will post again.

    You are like clockwork. You know what you get before it happens. Its always spiteful and unintelligent.

    Why dont you try a different tactic Herb?

    Posted by: JSchon | January 21, 2008 09:56 AM "

    You're lucky I'm even replying to you because I think you're smoking some "herb" if you think I'm Herb. I have no reason to disguise my handle. If you think I did do that, then that speaks of how foolishly suspicious and dumb you are.

    Your predictable opinions are just like the rest of the gilby loving, star struck people on this blog. Keep praising him, while the rest of the team keeps winning and gelling without him.

    Posted by: DC Man88 | January 21, 2008 10:19 AM

    Getting back to b-ball and moving away from BS, I wonder how the DSong situation will play out. Opech has shown us something, and he's younger, quicker, longer, and can shoot better than DSong. I'm wondering if EG considers moving DSong to another team that could use him. He's making about 4 mil a year.

    If ET comes back and shows that he can do something, he could be packaged along with DSong elsewhere for a PG. I'm sure some teams out there will be in the market for a "smart" player like DSong.

    Posted by: DC Man88 | January 21, 2008 10:26 AM

    Whatever Herb Bridges...

    Actually Lance... You bring up GA. I could have a conversation with any poster/blogger in here without bringing him up.

    Its when you say unintelligent things like the first 5 losses were due to GA or that at 26, GA should have championship rings. I feel compelled to educate you. You are very slow learner btw, almost to the point of being an imbecile. Are you an imbecile Lance? Cause that would explain a lot.

    DC Man88/Village Idiot/Lance/Herb... Thank you for responding to my post, I look forward to them. You make us all look smarter.

    Posted by: JSchon | January 21, 2008 10:30 AM

    You're a moron and not even a slow learner, b/c you haven't learned anything.

    Gilby predicted early in the season that Les BouleS didn't have to work on offense b/c they were so powerful, only defense. Come to find out nothing was working. Bragged about his workouts, and then injured himself which costed the team.

    I never blamed the first 5 losses on him, but it's funny how a veteran team could lose the first 5 games to mediocre teams. And who's supposed to be the veteran max money guy and poster boy for the team? Who shoulders the blame when a team loses? The water boy or the mop boy?

    What time has told everyone is that this team can win and do well without Gilby. This team doesn't need a poster boy or a max money ho. Losers like you make me look smarter every time my predictions come true, and they usually do.

    LOL!

    Posted by: DC Man88 | January 21, 2008 10:38 AM

    I have been watching, listening and reading with amazement, the continual and oftimes vitriolic banter around DC88...who cares what one person's opinion is?
    I find DC's blogs entertaining and often accurate and thoughtful.
    Yes the pejorative posts can be off-putting, but so can anyone's.
    Who has not questioned the veracity of the questions concerning the extraordinary performance of the team without GA?
    Certainly the queries put forth have been considered by most.
    Is this team more competitive, enjoyable, less frustrating, more compatible, tougher, without GA?
    Any fair minded passionatefan among us has had this internal discussion, yes?
    So let's just enjoy DC and the Wiz during this unusual and exciting time, and recognize that this is a blog of opinions open to discussion.
    GO WIZ!

    Posted by: mricklen | January 21, 2008 10:50 AM

    That's a stroke of genius mricklen. I've been trying to preach that since I got on this blog.

    This blog is polluted by Gilby loving, star struck fanatics (self described by mark). I'm adding some balance and reality to these discussions. Obviously it's struck a nerve, but as they say, reality bites, and so does GM's wife.

    HALLELUJAHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Posted by: DC Man88 | January 21, 2008 10:57 AM

    Do you actually read what you type and check your facts?

    We played BOS, ORL, DEN, NJ and IND. 4 out of the 5 are in the play-offs and IND is 1/2 a game out. They are combined record of 117-83.

    3 out of those 5 teams represent the hardest teams they've played this year. The Wizards have played the 3rd easiest schedule to date.

    I'm adding another name for you... Imbecile...

    Way to go DC Man88... way to prove your lack of intelligence again...

    Posted by: JSchon | January 21, 2008 10:59 AM

    Oh whooppeee!!!

    You're naming teams like boston and indiana that weren't even in the playoffs last season. Lottery!!! Orlando was worse than Les BouleS last season, and Joisey was tied in the record!!! Only Denver was good.

    http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/standings?season=2007&group=conference&seasontype=2&standType=standings

    Oh great, they're all better this year, but what's Les BouleS reason for not being just as good or better the first 5 games into the season? LOSING 5 GAMES IN A ROW? Is it because Gilby had an ill conceived comeback plan that ended up costing him and the team?

    They overestimated how good they were, and tried to focus on defense when their offense was out of whack because of their PG who directs the flow of the offense and needs the ball to be successful sets the wrong tempo for the team.

    Now, the team is thriving on a new tempo, a new sense of teamwork and defense, and way less ballhogging. SURPRISED? Not really.

    HALLELUJAHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Posted by: DC Man88 | January 21, 2008 11:10 AM

    DC MAN! What do you mean? Trying?!

    You have preached it, and I am your faithful convert!
    (hum, glory glory halleluja!)

    mr icklen, is just a shadow of my appreciation... Remember all those times you mentioned Laura, and how Gilby isn't a good father/husband? Laura PICK UP THAT SOCK!

    I listened!

    When you BWAHAHA-ed ten thousand times over foolish responses to your unassailable wit and wisdom!

    I BWA-ed with you!

    When you cut like a scythe through opposing rationale and selected the most important points to refute time and again!

    I rejoiced in your selectivity!

    When you scoffed and scoffed again, did I not scoff with you?

    You nested in this warm and cherished board like a thistle bird or amoeba! And hatched a brood of insightful posts...

    but, You look back at the beach and see one set of footprints, well... you should know...

    I SMOKE

    Carried you through those dark troubling times. My feet were your only carriage! (Marley)

    I SMOKE

    Buoys you on a cloud of mind altering euphoria!

    I SMOKE

    Hearts DC Man!

    Posted by: i smoke | January 21, 2008 11:19 AM

    Too funny!

    Posted by: Rook | January 21, 2008 11:26 AM

    Check it out, when the Wiz revertto the one on one style, that charachterized the GA era, they still sruggle, and expose themselves to easy fast break turnovers.
    I do not know or understand why EJ, does not call immediate time outs, when he sees this pattern developing.
    Yes they still suffer from one on one ego, often. They are a charm to watch when the move the ball and make the extra pass. Which honestly does happen less with AD than GA.
    I do however feel that unless some team overwhelms the Wiz with a GA trade package, we can not move to the elite status without GA.

    Posted by: mricklen | January 21, 2008 11:26 AM

    Just one more thing...
    I do not understand why we have the time to continually check into this blog for updates and chatter, but Ivan and Mike of the Post, can go 2-4 days in the heat of the season, with nary a post to this site.
    Confounds me that with so much activity and responses, that the Post can not supply more expedient and timely posters???
    How many times has Wiz activity been unrecognized for hours to days on this site? Unbelievable to me, from a major newspaper!!!

    Posted by: mricklen | January 21, 2008 11:34 AM

    I Smoke is bomb dot com...

    Lance... Whats does last year have to do with year?

    We didnt play last years BOS this year. We didnt play last years ORL team this year. What a completely idiotic comparison.

    And saying that GA's recovery plan caused CB to turnover over the ball 24 times in 5 games is as ridiculous as saying that DS shooting 17% was due to GA's recovery plan.
    Laughable.

    How do you explain the next 3 games where GA averaged 25ppg and over 8ast? Blatche eating salads for lunch?

    Keep up the good work Herb, we're all counting on you...

    Posted by: JSchon | January 21, 2008 11:44 AM

    '"He kept us organized a lot," coach Eddie Jordan said of Daniels. "Guys feel comfortable when he's the lead guard."'
    -Locker room interview following recent win over Knicks.

    Gil off the bench could work initially, though when he gets his legs and wind back and into the flow, why not at the two, AD at point.

    By the way, this blog is approaching heretofore unscaled literary heights in the world of b-ball blogging. Keeping it surreal...

    Posted by: myshkin | January 21, 2008 12:24 PM

    DC Mann88, you say, "This blog is polluted by Gilby loving, star struck fanatics." But what does that make you, a "Gilby hating, star struck fanatic."

    Actually, many of use are balanced as far as GA goes and can see the positives as well as the negatives with him.

    Posted by: Anonymous | January 21, 2008 1:45 PM

    I guess you missed the rest of my comments:

    "This blog is polluted by Gilby loving, star struck fanatics (self described by mark). I'm adding some balance and reality to these discussions. Obviously it's struck a nerve, but as they say, reality bites, and so does GM's wife.

    HALLELUJAHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Posted by: DC Man88 | January 21, 2008 10:57 AM "

    Posted by: DC Man88 | January 21, 2008 2:16 PM

    "We didnt play last years BOS this year. We didnt play last years ORL team this year. What a completely idiotic comparison.

    And saying that GA's recovery plan caused CB to turnover over the ball 24 times in 5 games is as ridiculous as saying that DS shooting 17% was due to GA's recovery plan.
    Laughable.

    How do you explain the next 3 games where GA averaged 25ppg and over 8ast? Blatche eating salads for lunch?

    Keep up the good work Herb, we're all counting on you...

    Posted by: JSchon | January 21, 2008 11:44 AM "

    You're a joke.

    So if it wasn't a "Boston team or Orlando Team" of last year, then Les BouleS, a team that's been intact for the last few years, shouldn't they beat a team that's a cast of brand new characters learning a new system? The key players for Orlando are essentially the same.

    You are an idiot making more excuses, saying teams coming off the lottery or teams below Les BouleS shouldn't be beaten by Les BouleS who were with their core starting lineup from last year.

    The not so secret to Les BouleS success this year is that the team is playing better D, having more chemistry as a team, and are tougher, and Gilby didn't contribute to any of these qualities while he was running the show.

    You're dumb. When did I say Gilby's recovery plan hurt CB by making him turn over the ball? Gilby's stupid recovery plan hurt himself and the team by him still being in the 0-5 games and taking the shots while having his bum knee, thus being less effective, though still controlling and demanding the ball.

    You're an excuse filled idiot.

    Posted by: DC Man88 | January 21, 2008 2:23 PM

    No matter how idiots put it, the reality of the fact is that Les BouleS have done well beyond expectations without Gilby, and are playing more as a cohesive team on both ends.

    Also, Caron and AJ have elevated their games with Gilby out, which puts to rest Gilby's proclamation last year that he's had a direct affect on their success with him in the game...and that he makes his teammates better. His teammates have shown they're even better without him in the lineup.

    Posted by: DC Man88 | January 21, 2008 2:28 PM

    You distort the truth...

    My argument is plain and simple, there were many factors for the team going 0-5. Not only GA not being ready to come back. Including the coaches, CB, AJ and DS.

    My argument is that your arguments are idiotic.

    I dont make excuses, I point out facts, I need no excuses, Herb.

    Posted by: JSchon | January 21, 2008 2:33 PM

    The funniest thing this season is that Gilby had a much ballyhooed workout regiment this offseason. He was playing hoops at Barry Farms on 9 ft. rims, he was biking without a helmet around town, he was playing video games, he was selling 32 versions of his new shoes, and he was running behind a parachute. What does he have to show for that? A bum knee.

    What about Caron? He's having a career year. His scoring average is up, his rebs and other stats are up. He being called a franchise player now. The team has followed his cue on toughness. Now, he's got 3 point range, is hitting almost 50 FT's in a row, and has slimmed down.

    Shocking to all, because nobody heard anything about Caron all summer, and he's been a pleasant shocking surprise to us all. No info whatsoever that Caron was working out so hard this summer.

    Let's stand up and give Caron his props.

    Posted by: DC Man88 | January 21, 2008 2:39 PM

    "You distort the truth...

    My argument is plain and simple, there were many factors for the team going 0-5. Not only GA not being ready to come back. Including the coaches, CB, AJ and DS.

    My argument is that your arguments are idiotic.

    I dont make excuses, I point out facts, I need no excuses, Herb.

    Posted by: JSchon | January 21, 2008 02:33 PM "

    Stop making excuses about your excuses.

    Posted by: DC Man88 | January 21, 2008 2:41 PM

    ZZZZZZZ

    Posted by: JSchon | January 21, 2008 2:45 PM

    Snore.........loser.

    Posted by: DC Man88 | January 21, 2008 2:49 PM

    Sitting here watching this win over the Mavs and decided to check out this blog. I have a funny feeling that many of the regulars have just decided that enough is enough. We have tried to ignore all the nonsense but now the nonsense is becoming the norm. I have for months just skipped all the blog comments by #88 because though his arguments are occasionally thought provoking it is like digging for a needle in a haystack. It is just not worth the time. If the nonsense continues to escatlate as it seems it is then I will join those who just remove myself from what I have fond to be some good, enlightend discussion by great fans.

    Ivan and company, love your work and this concept. But life's too short for some of us to waste our time if the nonsense continues.

    I wonder if this win gets attention of the national media? I won't hold my breath.

    I'll check things out n this blog in about a week or so and see if anything changes here. I am out, folks.

    Posted by: BmoreRev | January 21, 2008 3:17 PM

    Dude, you can blame me all you want, but unless you open your eyes, you won't see that it takes two (or more) to tango.

    Good luck with you as you check out of this blog.

    Posted by: DC Man88 | January 21, 2008 3:20 PM

    DC "Man"88 (Clueless88):

    I see that now that you can't argue the Heat still being in title contention or better than the Wiz, the next best thing you can think to do is knock Gilbert Arenas by pretending that his team is better without him. After he comes back and the team dominates as a whole, what then will you think to diss Arenas or the Wiz about? If the Wizards are on a roll at the end of the season and through the playoffs, what will your role be on this board?

    Oh yeah, you'll bash Gil because he was injured.

    Posted by: Anonymous | January 22, 2008 12:34 AM

    I blow because that's what I do.

    Posted by: Lisa | January 22, 2008 3:51 PM

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