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Butler in, Gasol out

Wiz forward Caron Butler, who has missed the last three games with a strained left hip flexor is going to give it a shot today against the Lakers. Meanwhile, the newest Laker, Pau Gasol, is here but won't play. The Lakers are shorthanded already without Andrew Bynum (knee) and Trevor Ariza (fractured right foot) but Luke Walton will be available after missing some games with a hip pointer.

By Ivan Carter  |  February 3, 2008; 11:55 AM ET
 
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Thirst!!! for a victory, Go Bullets

Posted by: CN | February 3, 2008 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Anyone know what happened to John N. Mitchell of the Times? He had that incident w/ Shapiro in late December. Mike Jones appears to be the beat guy for the Times now...

Posted by: Where are they now | February 3, 2008 12:12 PM | Report abuse

Ivan, question pertaining to the Laker/Memphis trade since there were First Round draft picks involved. The trade for the conditional pick that the Wizards made that sent Navarro to Memphis was lottery protected. Any chance that Memphis would send the LA pick they acquired to the Wizards to complete that deal?

Great to here Butler is feeling better, if he had the flu his minutes maybe limited.

Posted by: GM | February 3, 2008 12:13 PM | Report abuse

So, Caron is out with a hip problem and the flu previous to today's game. Jordan says he's hesitant about playing. And then Butler plays all 24 minutes of the first half. Interesting. I don't normally complain about EJ playing Butler and AJ heavy minutes. But I do question his decision to play Butler all half this afternoon.

Also, another embarrassing performance from the Wizards. This is becoming routing the past couple of weeks. Defense has really regressed lately, with the Wizards unable to close out quickly and rotate effectively. Not to mention the lane has been wide open. This could be the third game in which they lost by 40 points.

Posted by: Colin | February 3, 2008 1:17 PM | Report abuse

"So, Caron is out with a hip problem and the flu previous to today's game. Jordan says he's hesitant about playing. And then Butler plays all 24 minutes of the first half. Interesting. I don't normally complain about EJ playing Butler and AJ heavy minutes. But I do question his decision to play Butler all half this afternoon."

Jordan isn't a doctor or a mind reader. If Butler came to him before the game and said "Coach, I'm good to go" then what else should Jordan do except play him like he normally would? If Butler isn't up to it, then the burden is on him to communicate that to Jordan. It's unreasonable to expect Jordan to somehow intuit Butler's health, esp. if Butler is telling him he's fine.

Also, the fact that Stevenson picked up 3 fouls in the first 5 minutes of the game pretty much limited Jordan's first half options for trying to match up with Kobe.

Posted by: kalorama | February 3, 2008 2:05 PM | Report abuse

I agree with Kalorama. Caron shouldn't put Jordan in a position where he has to think or exercise any judgment. If Caron said he was good enough to play, that means he is 100% healed and is ready to play 48 minutes guarding Kobe, even though as of yesterday, Caron was still hurting. If Caron wasn't healthy enough to play 48 minutes guarding Kobe, then he should have told Jordan he couldn't go, because it is too much to ask Jordan to exercise judgment and ease an injured player back into the lineup.
Same with Gilbert. He shouldn't come back until he is 100% healthy and ready to play 48 minutes (or 53 if a game goes into overtime), because it would be unreasonable to expect Jordan to figure out how to sub for him.

Posted by: Anonymous | February 3, 2008 3:02 PM | Report abuse

I laugh when I read posts about Jordan not limiting his stars playing time.

So, I'll jump on the bandwagon and say:

Fire Mike Brown in Cleveland - he's burning out Lebron (over 40 mpg)

Fire HOF coach Pat Riley - he obviously can't manage his star's playing time properly - D. Wade is coming off two injuries and is averaging more than 38 mpg.

Fire Van Gundy in Orlando. Dwight Howard is playing over 39 minutes per game - obviously Van Gundy is risking injury to his player with all those minutes.

Fire HOF coach Phil Jackson. Kobe is no spring chicken, but "selfish" Phil is playing Kobe over 38 mpg just to win a few extra games during the regular season.

The Nuggets should fire potential HOF coach George Karl for his blatant disregard for his star players physical well being. Iverson is averaging over 42 minutes per game and Carmello Anthony over 37 minutes per game. Both are sure to get hurt logging such a heavy load.

You'd think that these experienced Coaches would have more sense. They should be playing their stars fewer minutes - saving them for the playoff push.

Hey, I just got a great Idea.... Coaches should not play the stars at all during the regular season ..... Just save them for the Playoffs. Another benefit of this strategy would be an improved and experienced bench.

:-)

Posted by: Rook | February 3, 2008 4:13 PM | Report abuse

I agree with all post above BUT I think if it's the FIRST game back from injury AND sickness then a few minutes of rest will surely not hurt. I wasn't able to watch the game but I'm surprised if EJ did really played CB the whole 1st half.

Posted by: Dave, | February 3, 2008 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Kalorama and Rook make good points. The team trainers fit into this equation too. If the trainer says there is no additional risk of injury and clears the player, and the player is begging to play, the coach is not left with much discretion.

Posted by: Smith | February 3, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

"Jordan isn't a doctor or a mind reader. If Butler came to him before the game and said "Coach, I'm good to go" then what else should Jordan do except play him like he normally would? If Butler isn't up to it, then the burden is on him to communicate that to Jordan. It's unreasonable to expect Jordan to somehow intuit Butler's health, esp. if Butler is telling him he's fine.

Also, the fact that Stevenson picked up 3 fouls in the first 5 minutes of the game pretty much limited Jordan's first half options for trying to match up with Kobe.

Posted by: kalorama | February 3, 2008 02:05 PM "

This same argument applies with the Gilby situation b/c people were on this blog complaining that EJ contributed to Gilby's injured knee by giving him so many minutes.

Posted by: DC Man88 | February 3, 2008 5:19 PM | Report abuse

This team sure needs a healthy Gilbert about now.

Posted by: Anonymous | February 3, 2008 5:43 PM | Report abuse

Gilby would still need a few games/few weeks to play himself back into shape and to gel with this changed teams. I wouldn't expect a miracle when Gilby returns, but he should help on the offensive end.

Posted by: DC Man88 | February 3, 2008 5:45 PM | Report abuse

Terrible game today, to say the least. The Zards' perimeter defense has really regressed lately. Seems like everyone is shooting lights out from outside of 17 feet against Washington.

And I hope the EJ is getting tired of Haywood again. He need to play 30-35 minutes a night ; with Haywood guarding the rim the other players can better guard the perimeter.

Bottom line, the last 10 games have definitely answered the question "Are the Wizards better off without Gilbert? NO!"

Posted by: Buck Worthy | February 3, 2008 5:52 PM | Report abuse

Terrible game today, to say the least. The Zards' perimeter defense has really regressed lately. Seems like everyone is shooting lights out from outside of 17 feet against Washington.

And I hope that EJ is not getting tired of Haywood again. He need to play 30-35 minutes a night ; with Haywood guarding the rim the other players can better guard the perimeter.

Bottom line, the last 10 games have definitely answered the question "Are the Wizards better off without Gilbert? NO!"

Posted by: Buck Worthy | February 3, 2008 5:53 PM | Report abuse

Yes, we need Gilbert back. I hate to say this, but I wonder if the Wizards will still be over .500 by the All Star break.

Posted by: Tim | February 3, 2008 8:17 PM | Report abuse

Buckhantz makes an appearance on the Super Bowl telecast. Dagger!

Posted by: Anonymous | February 3, 2008 9:18 PM | Report abuse

Not at the trend of play we are watching. The offense is offensive to watch, and the defense is abysmal.

9 road games
3 home games

they would be lucky to go 3 and 9 in that stretch if they continue to play the way they are.

Posted by: JSchon | February 4, 2008 9:49 AM | Report abuse

No peremiter defense, no offensive continuity, poor rebounding position,who scouts for the wiz? Ray Charles Haywood was totally outplayed by Turiaf he of the bad heart.it was Brendan who played like he didn't have a heart! the bench?what bench again no help whatsoever this just in Darius can't shoot plays, poor D, can't jump,just thought I let you guys know.

Posted by: DARGREGMAG@AOL.COM | February 4, 2008 10:15 AM | Report abuse

No peremiter defense, no offensive continuity, poor rebounding position,who scouts for the wiz? Ray Charles Haywood was totally outplayed by Turiaf he of the bad heart.it was Brendan who played like he didn't have a heart! the bench?what bench again no help whatsoever this just in Darius can't shoot plays, poor D, can't jump,just thought I let you guys know.

Posted by: DARGREGMAG@AOL.COM | February 4, 2008 10:15 AM | Report abuse

I'd agree whole heartedly with Rook's post from yesterday about minutes. Eddie isn't the only coach that has a team that needs their best players playing heavy minutes to win.

As to Rook's suggestion that a coach just let his stars rest til the playoff's, didn't Riley and Shaq try that out last season? These guys do need to play to get in NBA shape and bump the rust off. Not even a giant like Shaq can walk in off the street and dominate an NBA game.

Bottem line with minutes, sometimes a coach does have to sense when a player isn't 100%. It's not a science, lots of guys play through stuff all the time, but sometimes a coach and a player need to sense when it's time to sit.

Nobody is perfect at it, I've heard hundreds of players comment on the fact that THEY didn't think something was serious and they could play through it only to find they had a serious condition.
These guys do play with a certain amount of pain almost all the time.

The Arenas thing early in the season defied common sense in that Gil averaged 19 minutes a game and skipped back to backs in the preseason. Then when the year started played 40+ minutes and ran in a back to back with travel in between. Not a real conservative approach, but since Gil had never been hurt seriously before it's not real surprising.

No way of telling if that had anything to do with the re-injury of the knee. But common sense say's that they'll monitor his minutes better this time around.

Sometimes a coach has to realize when a game has gotten away and take an ugly loss and limit his starter's minutes and try and get them fresh. Eddie's done that a couple of times lately, but this seems to be a team that can use the Allstar break and a boost from getting Gil back.

Posted by: GM | February 4, 2008 11:07 AM | Report abuse

What are you all talking about? You don't make sense. Teh Wizards lost because they didn't play well. So Butler came back from 3 days out. So did Walton. He was out MORE games with a "hip pointer problem" They also are without their center..No what will you whine about?

They simply had to play ball but didn't.
Thats all the Lakers did. Played ball. The Wizards didn't.

They will never get any better if all you do is sit make excuses and whine about one thing after the other...the refs, Eddie Jordan, etc...not enough playing time. etc.

blah, blah, blah, blah...

They lost fair & sqaure cuz they didn't play. Simple

Posted by: Jordan | February 4, 2008 11:24 AM | Report abuse

Good call Jordan.

March 2nd March 2nd march 2nd!!!!!!

AD as backup once again leading the youngsters, while Gil, AJ, and CB takeover.

Posted by: Burg w/ a U | February 4, 2008 11:34 AM | Report abuse

As long as the bench keep giving them a big 0 effort then even with Gil around this team won't get past 2nd round. I know people will say that they are a bunch of rookies well so are the Piston's bench and they have been monster this season. Our bench has talent they just lack hunger.

Posted by: Anonymous | February 4, 2008 12:01 PM | Report abuse

"I know people will say that they are a bunch of rookies well so are the Piston's bench and they have been monster this season."

Fair point, but it's not quite the same situation. The Pistons have maybe the best overall starting 5 in the NBA, they're greatly experienced, and they've managed to stay healthy. There's less pressure on the Pistons bench because their starters do so much of the heavy lifting. Their bench is expected to give them a break, not come to the rescue. With Gilbert out and both Caron and Daniels missing games, there's more of a burden on the Wiz bench that they're just not ready to carry.

Posted by: kalorama | February 4, 2008 2:49 PM | Report abuse

"Bottom line, the last 10 games have definitely answered the question "Are the Wizards better off without Gilbert? NO!"

Posted by: Buck Worthy | February 3, 2008 05:52 PM "

This is such an idiotic post. Of course Les BouleS are better if their 12 mil dollar player is actually on the court trying to earn his pay. Take any 12 million dollar player off his team and you will see the loss, although, Les BouleS have been marching on undermanned without him up until now.

Posted by: DC Man88 | February 4, 2008 5:35 PM | Report abuse

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