Butler out for tonight and all-star game.

Wizards forward Caron Butler said he will not play tonight agianst the Clippers and will also sit out of Sunday's all-star game though he will be in New Orleans and plans on attending events and the game itself. Butler said he will be replaced by fellow UConn product Ray Allen.

Barring a last second setback, Antonio Daniels will start tonight after missing two games with an ankle injury.

Butler thought about going tonight but made the decision to sit out one more game and the all-star game because he doesn't to risk having another setback like the one he had after coming back too quickly for the game against the Lakers last week.

"I'm feeling better but it's still not at the point where I can go out there and play with the confidence that I'm not going to hurt it again and have it turn into a long-term problem," Butler said. "I'm looking at it like: if I can take this week and rest it and work on it with one of the (athletic) trainers, I'll be good to go when we come back."

The first game after the break is Tuesday night against the Knicks at Verizon Center and the Wiz could obviously use Butler with a brutal stretch that includes games at Cleveland, New Orleans, Houston and Chicago at the end of the month.

By Ivan Carter |  February 13, 2008; 9:42 PM ET
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Ivan, why are you always criticizing Ernie for not signing a player to avoid going over the luxury tax?

I know it is tough for EJ to organize practices with so many guys injured, but would adding a Mike Wilkes or Donell Taylor really make a difference in the win-loss column?

I think the majority of NBA franchises are trying to avoid the luxury tax, and it's not proven that paying the tax makes you a better team, see the Knicks as an example of that.

If we are signing an impact player I think Pollin and EG will agree to go over the tax, but to go over the tax just so Eddie can run smooth practices seems ridiculous to me.

Posted by: juandixonformvp | February 13, 2008 11:13 PM

Hey the Griz are shopping Lowry...

We are loaded in the front-court...no need for a big man in the draft b/c of how well Haywood is playing...Blatche is a monster when he starts...Jamison is the Vet and is what keeps us running...Butler...well his All-Star apperance in 2 consecutive years says it all...Dominic McGuire looks to get better and better everytime he gets playing time....Etan Thomas...our banger down-low...hopefully he will come back fully healthy...not to mention Oleskiy Pecherov and Darius Songaila...Now the back-court...we have a Stud in Arenas..DeShawn has been lighting it up...Roger is a decent back-up at the 2 gaurd not at the one...Nick Young is raw and can become a star if developed the right way...Antoinio Daniels..our other veteran leadership..he is our only TRUE point gaurd...

Now can you guys tell me what are we going to do with our draft picks this year if we are basically almost set....Jamison only has about 3 years left in him..then we can let Blatche do his thing....who is going to be our back-up point gaurd when AD steps away...

I Say Trade:

Darius Songaila and 2nd Rounder

for

Kyle Lowry

Pros: Get a YOUNG (he's ONLY 22 years old) true point gaurd so that when any injuries occur or when Antoinio Daniels retires..we already have a plan...He is a great defender...VERY VERY fast...he seemed to burn our gaurds all the time...

Cons: None

Posted by: Fulvio | February 14, 2008 12:11 AM

Why the heck would the Griz want Songaila?

But who cares because the losing streak is over!!!! Fantastic and three cheers for the outstanding boardwork from the Wizards. Haywood, Jamison (what a job on the winning tip-in) and McGuire (12 boards!).
Too bad it isn't a two-game winning streak, but at least the bleeding has stopped and everyone but Jamison can get some rest.

Posted by: George Templeton | February 14, 2008 1:09 AM

why don't you come to NO festa?

Posted by: Anonymous | February 14, 2008 1:33 AM

Ivan, why are you always criticizing Ernie for not signing a player to avoid going over the luxury tax?

Posted by: juandixonformvp | February 13, 2008 11:13 PM

I wonder where the above statement comes from. Neither Ivan or Michael have criticized the Wizards for not signing a player, they have repeatedly stated both on the Wizards Insider and in the Wednesday chat - Wizards are unlikely to sign another player due to the team being very near the luxury tax limit.

Posted by: Anonymous | February 14, 2008 1:59 AM

Ivan, why are you always criticizing Ernie for not signing a player to avoid going over the luxury tax?

Posted by: juandixonformvp | February 13, 2008 11:13 PM

This is laughable. My only real criticism of Ivan Carter this season has been him NOT criticizing Abe Pollin (not Ernie Grunfeld, his hands are tied) for refusing to go over the luxury tax. It's really hurt the team this season to not have a full compliment of players when we are competing against teams that mostly have 15 bodies.

Ivan Carter has NOT criticized Pollin at all for it, though he should.

Posted by: Barno1 | February 14, 2008 2:16 AM

Whew... That (as Ivan said) is why AJ is an All-Star... A critical victory against the Clips to stop the bleeding, send the team into the All-Star break with a W, and set up a quick return to .500 with CB back and ET and GA to follow.

As for the Kidd trade, maybe Devean George did everyone a favor by cooling things down for a while... Kidd's absence from the Nets losing lineup last night didn't hurt us either....

Posted by: khrabb | February 14, 2008 2:20 AM

While I can certainly understand why George wouldn't want to play for the Nets, he probably didn't win any friends among the Mavs players or coaches by quashing that deal.

Posted by: kalorama | February 14, 2008 2:46 AM

"Ivan Carter has NOT criticized Pollin at all for it, though he should."

Why? He's not obligated to criticize or praise anyone on any subject.

Posted by: kalorama | February 14, 2008 2:47 AM

Oh what a relief! Now the boys can go home, rest up and be ready for the Knicks on Tuesday - I am happy Caron will sit thru the all star game, only down side being that he won't be able to atone for the couple of bricks he threw up last year, but it's a matter of priorities now.

What a great season Tawn is having - let's hope he has enough left in the tank for the deep pay-off run this year ;-)

Posted by: conor | February 14, 2008 5:41 AM

Good win. BTH held Kaman below his season avgs. in points and rebounds while Songaila shot 30% and stank up the joint again. McGuire got 12 boards and Pech only played a few minutes. happy about the win but still a little puzzled about the minutes distribution.
Great decision to pull outta the All Star game by CB. This shows he's all about the team.

Posted by: mark | February 14, 2008 7:45 AM

"Ivan Carter has NOT criticized Pollin at all for it, though he should."

Why? He's not obligated to criticize or praise anyone on any subject.

Posted by: kalorama | February 14, 2008 02:47 AM

Exactly right Kal... He's supposed to REPORT.

Posted by: Rook | February 14, 2008 8:56 AM

If we couldn't get Lowry for JCN this past offseason, no way we get him for Songaila. Are you serious?

Posted by: Anonymous | February 14, 2008 9:40 AM

Why the heck would the Griz want Songaila?

Posted by: George Templeton | February 14, 2008 01:09 AM

or Thomas?
The pieces that Ernie Grunfeld is willing to let go are not the pieces other teams want. Songaila is not performing and Thomas is still not playing.

He will have to give up something of value if he wants to add a player who is going to be useful during the playoffs. Anyone care to speculate on who that could be?

Posted by: Anonymous | February 14, 2008 10:12 AM

It's interesting to see this team develop in the absence of two of its stars. McGuire (who I lambasted earlier in the season for looking totally helpless and clueless on the floor) has suddenly come to life. He looks like he could be a Rodman in the making (could be, not will be), with his leaping and rebounding ability. His shooting is also Rodman-esque. Yikes.

Blatche was consistently aggressive last night, and is playing with much more focus. Even Antawn has adjusted: he's shooting much less from the outside, and is staying around the basket, where he's fantastically effective.

Once we get Gil and Caron back, we could have the kind of bench that could actually be an asset come playoff time. I'm hoping this injury streak bears some unexpected fruit late in the season.

Posted by: Keithinator | February 14, 2008 10:32 AM

If we haven't made a move yet his year, I doubt we're making a move. As depleted as this team is, I am actually in full agreement with EG on this. If we can ride this out and get our full complement of players back, by Spring, we should be formidable. Who's gonna be able to hang with a healthy Wiz team with experienced rooks and a fresh GA ? As badly as we are playing now, this team could be scary good by playoff time. We just need to weather the storm, keep the top guys rested, and not make any panic moves. On a related topic, I think that the Suns made a panic move in acquiring Shaq. Some circumstances prevented them from reaching the Finals but they could just as easily have been right there and won it all. Changing the dynamic of a team that is winning is a risky proposition. This Wizards team wins when healthy. In order to get Lowry, we'd have to give up something of value that would or could change the dynamic. Let's see what we have before we make any changes.
On the other hand, if someone is willing to give us Lowry for a young unproven guy whose absence wouldn't really affect the team at this point (McGuire or Pech), it may be worth considering. Lowry is a solid bakup who could eventually wind up taking AD's spot when he leaves or even giving us valuable minutes at the 1 alongside GA when we go small.


(Our practices should be virtual walkthroughs for the older guys. No reason to wear them out unnecesarily.

Posted by: mark | February 14, 2008 10:38 AM

The Wizards likely would be looking for a point guard in this year's draft. So why not trade this year's first round pick for Lowry? I don't know how you work the rest of the deal, but (1) Memphis has 100 point guards; (2) it is looking to collect draft picks; and (3) a mid-first round pick would be a good price for Lowry.

Posted by: Anonymous | February 14, 2008 10:49 AM

The Wiz ain't making any trades.

Posted by: Anonymous | February 14, 2008 10:55 AM

The Wizards are likely going to be looking at the best player available in the draft, regardless of position.

Posted by: kalorama | February 14, 2008 11:37 AM

Who is your source, Kalorama?

Posted by: Anonymous | February 14, 2008 12:06 PM

The same as yours when you said "The Wizards likely would be looking for a point guard in this year's draft."

Posted by: kalorama | February 14, 2008 12:12 PM

Anon - Don't ask. Kalorama is the know it all gods of all gods in this forum.

Posted by: Anonymous | February 14, 2008 12:12 PM

I'm not the one who said the Wizards would be looking for a point guard.
So, who is your source?

Posted by: Anonymous | February 14, 2008 12:29 PM

Yawn.

Posted by: kalorama | February 14, 2008 12:38 PM

"Great decision to pull outta the All Star game by CB. This shows he's all about the team.

Posted by: mark | February 14, 2008 07:45 AM "

LOL!

Rare occurrence in this neck of the woods.

Posted by: DC Man88 | February 14, 2008 12:46 PM

I wouldn't mind trading DMac (and Roger Mason to make salaries work) for Jarrett Jack.

Posted by: DC Man88 | February 14, 2008 12:57 PM

Jack's not much of a playmker at PG (he's got a terrible A/TO ratio). He's a guy who looks more to score, but he's also not a very good shooter.

Posted by: kalorama | February 14, 2008 1:37 PM

Jack could probably produce given the minutes. I like the long range bomber and shotblocker/rebounder off the bench, though. Jack wouldn't see much time once AD and GA are healthy. I think McGuire and RM probably sub for DS and CB once everyone is back. AB will still be behind BTH though this makes no sense to me. Pech should be the backup C and AB should be spelling AJ.

disclaimer: As usual, this is just my opinion and I have no previous coaching or GM experience.

Posted by: mark | February 14, 2008 1:39 PM

DCMan also wouldnt mind signing Sun Ming Ming to a contract since that obviously would solve everything in the middle.....

Posted by: Roman | February 14, 2008 1:42 PM

Jarrett Jack? That would be awful. The way DMac rebounds, you hold on to him and help him round out the rest of his game. If not, turn him into a Dennis Rodman type of player (not person) and let him grab 10+ boards every night.

Posted by: Colin | February 14, 2008 1:51 PM

The main reason DMac looked lost and clueless earlier in the year, IMHO, is that he was only getting 3-5 minutes a game if he played at all.

Now that he has had the opportunity to get some minutes he is showing the abilities he showed us in summer league and pre-season. He never lost anything - he now just has some playing time.

Isn't this way it usually works for a rook, a 2nd round draft choice at that.

I have said this before and maybe this is the bleedin' obvious, but if he can develop an offensive game to go along with his other skills, he could be major contributor for the Wiz for years to come.

BTW, if he does not get those seven offensive rebounds last night, do the Wiz win the game?

Posted by: Tim | February 14, 2008 1:53 PM

We should only trade for players that have "ring(s)".

Posted by: JSchon | February 14, 2008 2:03 PM

The only reason I'm throwing DMac up for a trade is because I feel confident that he will never get enough PT and will never develop his game under EJ. EJ just doesn't seem like a coach who pays attention to a player if he's not a superstar. If not for BTH's own initiative, he'd probably still be on the bench, and even still, he's getting shortchanged by EJ with PT.

Jarrett Jack is clearly a scoring point guard. Given that, he's about 11 mil cheaper than Gilby, and he will be about 15 mil cheaper than Gilby if Gilby gets max. If Gilby decides to walk, then Les Boules will be stuck with giving Roger Mason whatever he wants. Whoopee!

Posted by: DC Man88 | February 14, 2008 2:16 PM

There's a very, very good (and obvious) reason why Jack is so much cheaper than Arenas.

Posted by: kalorrama | February 14, 2008 2:27 PM

Grunfeld has been very hesitant to make any moves with this team, and for good reason: when healthy, they're good! There's a nice mix of youngsters and vets, and we've seen players develop who will be valuable bench contributors (some, once they move back to the bench, and others who have gotten PT they may not have previously gotten due to injury).

The main reason for their struggles has been injury. If they're back and playing together in March and April, and then don't do anything, maybe you consider making changes. Not now, IMO. Let's see what they can do together.

Now, if the injuries keep occurring, then you have to start moving guys who can't seem to stay healthy. But with a full, healthy team, I believe the Wiz can compete with anyone in the East, including Detroit and Boston.

Posted by: Keithinator | February 14, 2008 2:32 PM

Donnell Taylor, another offensive(2 meanings) guard, is cheaper than Jack.

Posted by: JSchon | February 14, 2008 2:32 PM

If GA will stick with the Wiz for a couple more years, which my hunch is he will, then what they will need is a pure PG. Like a Steve Blake kinda a player. One who can run the play and move GA to a SG.

Lots of trade this past few weeks. GMs are in there win now mentality. Is EG going to make a deal or will wait until the rooks develop? Stay tuned.

Posted by: Dave, | February 14, 2008 2:40 PM

Anyone who is comparing Arenas with Jack, regardless of money saved, is smoking some dangerously bad stuff. Portland clearly prefers Steve Blake to Jarrett Jack, and we let Blake go without a second thought... HELLO!

Now maybe Ivan is trying to help Darius save face, but the point he made in his story on the Clips game points out why Songaila is relevant.... his tap kept the Daniels miss alive on the offensive board for AJ to put in the winner.

I do not think it is smart to write off Songaila. The dude can bang and shoot and has played successfully for a several years at the highest international level. He is a proven team player from one of the world's biggest basketball hotbeds, Lithuania, he paid serious dues in the ACC at Wake Forest, so let's not rush to judgment. And if we do trade him, let's do it for value in return (see below).

Kudos to DMac for producing some major rebounding numbers last night, 12 boards in 24 minutes is definitely in Rodman country... as is the 0 points... It took a few years and a couple of stopovers before people ever realized what an artist Rodman was. My sense is that DMac is a keeper and as far as I know he is not even a cross-dresser...

Yes, the Wizards DO need to obtain a shooter off the bench. I got whupped on earlier for some comments about what we would need to give up to get Wally Szcerbiak or Mike Miller. But I could see an even up swap of Songaila for Bostian Nachbar... The guy can stroke it (he has single-handedly killed us more than once), he is available, and the money would work if the Nets thought Songaila could help them too.

Posted by: khrabb | February 14, 2008 2:49 PM

Gilby will never move to the 2 guard spot. As the reporters have said here, Gilby wants and needs the ball in his hands to be successful. Live with that fact.

Jack is cheaper than Gilby for obvious reasons, especially since Gilby has had more opportunities to prove himself and he's taken advantage of it. But, a more expensive Gilby hasn't gotten Les BouleS into the second round of the playoffs since LH left town.

Gilby can shoot and score as much as he wants, but it hasn't translated to playoff success for the team, and now he wants to be a max player? I'd rather save that money and get a cheaper, local guy like Jack and give him a chance to perform.

Granted this team can play well if everyone is healthy, what the team has shown when they are not healthy is that they are not that good. If the season ended today, Les BouleS (.481) wouldn't even make the playoffs in the west. Heck, Denver wouldn't make the playoffs in the West, and they are 12 GAMES ABOVE .500!!!!

Ask yourselves....the Cavs crushed a shorthanded Les BouleS during last season's playoffs, and the Cavs got crushed by the Spurs. We can pat ourselves all we want about how great Les BouleS are in the weak east when healthy, but overall, Les BouleS are not that good, and especially, not a deep team. How many teams go up by 23 pts (against GS) and end up losing?

Posted by: DC Man88 | February 14, 2008 2:51 PM

"Anyone who is comparing Arenas with Jack, regardless of money saved, is smoking some dangerously bad stuff. Portland clearly prefers Steve Blake to Jarrett Jack, and we let Blake go without a second thought... HELLO!

Posted by: khrabb | February 14, 2008 02:49 PM "

Hello?!?!

Did Blake get the opportunities here that he got in Denver and Portland? Did Blake have the finishers here that he had/has in Denver and Portland? Did Blake get to the run the point full time here with Gilby firmly planted at the 1? Hello?!?!

Does the Les BouleS franchise make the most out of their players and keep them before they walk or get traded (Ben Wallace, Rasheed, Rip Hamilton, CWebb, Stackhouse, etc.) Hello?!?!

Stop smoking and start thinking.

Posted by: DC Man88 | February 14, 2008 2:57 PM

Khrabb, while Songaila's tap DID indeed allowe AJ to put in the game winner, his foul on Maggette allowed the Clips to go up in the first place.
He's limited. I hear he's hurt and that makes sense. take a guy who is already limited physically and cripple him and you've got a slow, heady, vulnerable player. In other words, Chris Webber. We don't need Chris Webber.

Posted by: mark | February 14, 2008 3:00 PM

I wouldn't mind one bit if, when Etan came back, he took Songalia's minutes and Songalia was allowed to heal.
Yes, that means Etan at PF.

Posted by: Anonymous | February 14, 2008 3:05 PM

DC, you gotta qualify 'playoff success'. When we were healthy, we advanced to the second round with GA hitting the decisive shot. The next year, GA scored 34 with 5 assist and 5 rebounds while shooting 46% in a first round series that we lost. Last year, GA was hurt.
I'd say that going 1 for 2 in the first round isn't that bad of a record for Gilbert.

Posted by: mark | February 14, 2008 3:07 PM

"Khrabb, while Songaila's tap DID indeed allowe AJ to put in the game winner, his foul on Maggette allowed the Clips to go up in the first place."

Quite simply untrue.

The Clippers took the lead in the 4th quarter at 83-82 on a Corey Magette jumpshot. The Wiz immediately got it back on a 3-pointer from Jamison. It was back and forth from there, but the Clippers never actually took the lead again, all they did was keep tying it after the Wiz would move ahead by a basket. Songaila's foul and Magette's ensuing free throws tied the game at 89-89. The next basket scored was Jamison's tip-in that won it.

I know that Darius is your favorite whipping boy and you love to lay the blame for every loss at his feet (regardless of how much he actually plays), but as someone who loves stats, it would be nice if you showed as much reverence for the numbers when they hurt your point as you do when they help it.

Posted by: kalorama | February 14, 2008 3:21 PM

"DC, you gotta qualify 'playoff success'. When we were healthy, we advanced to the second round with GA hitting the decisive shot. The next year, GA scored 34 with 5 assist and 5 rebounds while shooting 46% in a first round series that we lost. Last year, GA was hurt.
I'd say that going 1 for 2 in the first round isn't that bad of a record for Gilbert.

Posted by: mark | February 14, 2008 03:07 PM "

Dude, Les BouleS play in the EAST. Teams in the East can't compare to the west, so let's start it off at that.

Gilby can score all the miraculous shots he can score, and rack up all the points, but Les BouleS haven't made it out of the 1st round since LH left. Even last season, Les BouleS were on a downward spiral even before Gilby went out, and were "lucky" to not have been eliminated because the # of regular season games ran out.

It all goes back to the cliche "contenders or pretenders"... I think Les BouleS fit the latter description.

In the East, I would give max money to Lebron. Compare Lebron with Gilby. How many all stars are in the Cavs organization? How much college did Lebron get?

Posted by: DC Man88 | February 14, 2008 4:33 PM

Its all about match-ups... Darius vs. smaller faster oppenents = bad choice...

I actually didnt watch the game last night, so I wont pretend to know what transpired...

My stance still stands that EJ needs to match up his team to the opponents when in the 4th quarter while preserving a lead...

I'm not anti-Songalia... He is limited, if used correctly he is a serviceable big man. If used incorrectly, the whole team suffers.

Posted by: JSchon | February 14, 2008 4:45 PM

I've wondered for two months what's wrong with Songaila. He just doesn't do anything on the court these days, at least not consistently. He had his moments last night, and I thought had a decent game with his rebounding. But he contributes almost nothing anymore offensively. What happened to that sweet jumper? I used to be surprised when it missed. Now I cringe when he launches a J, getting Jarvis Hayes flashbacks. I haven't heard that he's hurt; has anyone else read anything about it?

Posted by: Keithinator | February 14, 2008 4:47 PM

Songaila's lift has never been a strength. But remember his best games have come when AD was in the lineup with him. They play the pick and roll game well and it also depends on the matchup going against him.

Posted by: G$ | February 14, 2008 5:21 PM

I,ve been screamimg about tippy toes since I don't remember when. Darius is either hurt or losing his skills rapidly,that being said he is killing this team whenever he is on the court,why EJ keeps using him is beyond me last night was huge in the total scheme of things mentally speaking they needed to win just because, AJ is the man, he brings it every night I must say this he gives 100 percent every game.

Posted by: DARGREGMAG@AOL.COM | February 14, 2008 5:27 PM

Okay, this has been two months now with Songaila giving them next-to-nothing.

Problem is, everyone else sees that he's got no game anymore. Too slow, can't jump/lift, can't play defense and if he's not hitting his jumper, he's a total liability.

And right now, he's a liability.

Ernie's made some good moves; this ain't one of them. Although, to be fair, that back surgery took away whatever athleticism he had.

Posted by: SteveMG | February 14, 2008 6:07 PM

"Kobe Bryant was diagnosed with a torn ligament in his right pinkie finger Thursday and the Lakers All-Star has decided not to undergo surgery that could sideline him for six weeks."

Oh no!

What is Mike Lee going to do now????

;)

"Songaila's lift has never been a strength. But remember his best games have come when AD was in the lineup with him. They play the pick and roll game well and it also depends on the matchup going against him."

Could be less minutes, could be fatigue. He was playing real strong at the begining of the season. Strange.

- Ray

Posted by: Ray | February 14, 2008 9:54 PM

Khrabb, while Songaila's tap DID indeed allowe AJ to put in the game winner, his foul on Maggette allowed the Clips to go up in the first place."

Quite simply untrue.

The Clippers took the lead in the 4th quarter at 83-82 on a Corey Magette jumpshot.

Posted by: kalorama | February 14, 2008 03:21 PM


Another point on the Songaila play last night... and "his foul on Maggette"...
He never touched Maggette... I recorded the game, watched it again today. I looked at it backwards and forwards - DSong never touched him. Matter of fact, Dsong played GREAT defense on that possession.

The Clippers tried to go inside to Tim Thomas, but Songaila agressively denied the entry pass by fronting him. That disrupted the Clippers offensive set, and Maggette had to go one-on-one.

When he drove to the basket, Songaila slid over from the left baseline to challenge.

Maggette took a bad, off balance shot with plenty of time left on the shot clock; and was bailed out by Violet Palmer.

I'm not a huge DSong fan, but the harsh criticism of his play lately seems revolve around his lack of defense. I

I actually have WATCHED the games; rather than just looking at the box scores - His defense and rebounding has been pretty good, considering he's only expected to play 10-15 minutes a night. He's averaging 3 rebounds and 5 points a night.

I wish the rest of the bench could be as consistent.

Posted by: Rook | February 14, 2008 11:32 PM

"I wouldn't mind trading DMac (and Roger Mason to make salaries work) for Jarrett Jack."

I trade NY for him too...

Posted by: oddjob | February 15, 2008 12:47 AM

CB is the type of player every team should aspire to draft or sign. Attitudes like his tend to rub off on teammates and help to create a winning culture. In my opinion, he's much more valuable to the Wiz than Gil or AJ because of his leadership.

Posted by: Thickman | February 15, 2008 4:03 AM

As usual, Kal...Yopur commensta realways either couched in or succeeded by a personal attack of sorts. You chastise me for an overreliance on stats. How about taking a look inside and adjusting the smugness. Even DCMAN is more pleasant to interact theses days.
As many posters have pointed out, you are NOT the expert despite your feeble attempts to portay yourself as one through an attitude that has become increasingly boorish and, quite frankly, tired.

Posted by: mark | February 15, 2008 7:45 AM

Songaila matches up better against Maggette, who more often than not will try to overpower you. He can bang with the bangers, no problem, he wont be embarrassed.

Matching him up versus Stephen Jackson's, Al Harringtons in a up and down type of game, will be expose him.

The truth is that Songaila isnt that good anymore. Last season he averaged 7.6ppg and 3.6rpg while shooting 52%, he now is shooting 42%. Shooting 42% from a big is lousy. That was coming off of a back surgery. His one year in Chicago he averaged 9ppg and 4rpg. 18mpg vs 19mpg.

His production is definitely on a downward trend, and thats being polite. Look some players have a 2 or 3 year period of being a productive player in the NBA, maybe Songaila has hit his wall? He either cant do what he did before or isnt willing to, I dont think he isnt willing.

Lastly, NY might be the most inconsistent player on this team, having said that, he still is averaging 6.6ppg in less minutes than Songaila (14mpg vs 18mpg). So averaging 5ppg and 3rpg really doesnt show us any type of consistency, it only shows us that his production is taking a nose dive from past years.

There is no way any GM would've signed Songaila to a long-term contract knowing what he is producing now compared to 2 years ago.


Posted by: JSchon | February 15, 2008 7:52 AM

As for my comments about Songaila's foul, I am not trying to dispute whether it was a good call or not. The fact is that crediting a guy for keeping a ball alive and allowing a teammate to win the game should be qualified by the fact that his foul (deserved or not) allowed the other team to tie it in the first place.
Songaila is not my whipping boy. I watch the games and call them as I see them (which may differ fro what other ppl see). Remember, when CB was turning the ball over 6 times a game the beginning of the season, I called him out for that. When CB's man used to regularly toast him last year. I called him out for that. When GA turns the ball over a lot or BTH starts shooting fadeaways, I mention it. My problem is when a guy is doing nothing to help the team for long stretches. face it. At his best, Songaila is a 7th man on a good team. AT HIS BEST. He's undersized and slow for the position he plays and that makes him an average or below average rebounder. He hustles his tail off, is a good passer, and can usually hit an open shot. That aint happening lately.
As much as I think Hollinger is a boob (and I keep saying this), look at his PER ratings for all power forwards in the league. Songaila is NEXT TO LAST !! Only Brian Scalabrine is worse. Am I really bashing Songiala unnecessarily? Next to last !!!!!!

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics?sort=per&qual=true&pos=pf&seasonType=2

Posted by: mark | February 15, 2008 7:57 AM

And he makes 4 million a year. We could have 4 Jarrett Jacks for that kinda money.

Posted by: JSchon | February 15, 2008 8:08 AM

BTW, I saw the game Rook and you're right about Songaila's hustle on defense. He's physical and that's a good thing. Unfortunately, since he's not a big name player, he's not getting any calls. His physical play is resulting in some questionable fouls. If he was still hitting his outside shot, I'd have no issues.

I guess my main thing is that Pech is younger and needs the development more than Songaila. Seems to me that Pech oughtta be getting Songaila's minutes. Pech has longer arms and is just as good or a better rebounder. He also opens up the floor with his 3 point threat. This should make it easier to penetrate for other guys.
Finally, I have always hated the way EJ gives guys minutes based on what i think are his personal feelings. I hated the way he favored Etan over Haywood and I don't like the way he plays Songaila over younger options based on personal stuff and not results on the court. I'm not second guessing EJ anymore but a lot of folks here are seeing the same thing I'm seeing so I'm wondering what's up.

Posted by: mark | February 15, 2008 8:10 AM

EJ had a strange comment about 1 month ago during a halftime interview regarding DSong. He said he's waiting for DSong to get his legs back.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but DSong played with Lithuania this summer and was not hurt during training camp and has been available all season so far. Methinks DSong's back injury last season may have had a lasting effect on his mobility.

Posted by: DC Man88 | February 15, 2008 8:55 AM

I read somewhere that DSong was hurting. Unfortunately I don't remember where I saw it. I think you're right, DCMan. We see it all the time with players who play for their teams during the summer. Especially for a guy that is coming off an injury, his legs are probably shot.

Posted by: mark | February 15, 2008 9:13 AM

OK, mark... don't take this personal!

I disagree with you, I know everything. And one of the things that comes with knowing everything is knowing this:

If someone gets called for a foul they didn't commit... it's not their fault.

How should Songaila have played differently?

If he didn't exist at all there is no way he could be called for fouls he didn't commit... but... that requires us to take a chuck out of the universe, and being all knowing I can tell you... It's not worth it, cause then Brendan haywood would have been called for a foul he didn't commit, but Songaila wouldn't have been there for the tip in. It would have been Jared Jefferies...

Just settle down though, I'm not trying to make a personal attack here. I can't stop knowing everything just for you.

or can I?

Only I know, and I'll never tell!

Posted by: i expert | February 15, 2008 10:14 AM

I know what you are about to say!

I should blog about it before it happens...
Oh, I did.

Posted by: i expert | February 15, 2008 10:16 AM

Songalia is a non athlete, in a game that screams for athletes.
Also Ej's insistence in using Songalia as a sub for BH instead of using him to just give AJ a few more blows, is really the problem and the poor exposure.
He can not match up underneath with big men. He can not match up with athletic 4's. He can only match up with slow non athletic 4's, and there are not enough of them around to justify important minutes for Songalia.
He should be on any fast train out of town.
Would much rather enjoy, AP,AB or Dmac gettimg those important minutes.
As for Etan, once again not enough skills to make a positive difference. The only salvation is playing him into a possible trade.

Posted by: mricklen | February 15, 2008 10:22 AM

Ivan,

Gareth here from Section 104. please email contact to gareth.owen@comcast.net about David internship opportunity.

thanks

Posted by: gareth owen | February 15, 2008 10:31 AM

For me DSong's strenght is his hustle play ala Ed Najera (where the heck is this guy anyway). But if Songalia is hurt then he becomes a liability to the team.

Posted by: Dave, | February 15, 2008 11:44 AM

Looks like we will have too many big men next year, what with Veremeenko possibly coming over. So I suppose EG's move will be to package a couple of bigs in exchange for one PG. EJ will have to upgrade the offensive abilities of the bigs who remain. Nothing to worry about with Haywood and Blatche, but the rest need some work.

Posted by: rgz | February 15, 2008 12:06 PM

If we re-sign GA, the biggest need would be for a proven bench scorer not a PG.

Posted by: JSchon | February 15, 2008 12:27 PM

Compared with DSong and Najera (feet stuck in concrete), I prefer Matt Harpring and/or Kyle Korver. Funny, both play for Utah, including of course AK-47. I think we could use either of those 3 guys on this team.

Posted by: DC Man88 | February 15, 2008 12:31 PM

I seriously doubt if Les BouleS are in the market for a "proven bench scorer." What we've seen from management, as dictated by ownership, is that they want to develop as much talent in house as possible, through the draft, and are risk intolerant.

Therefore, we can conclude that EG is going to pin his hopes on NY's development, Caron's ascension into an elite player, BTH's emergence, and try to get by otherwise as much as possible.

Anybody who thinks Gilby being signed for max money is a done deal should revisit names such as Juwan Howard, Michael Jordan, Larry Hughes, etc. Abe is not going to mortgage the franchise for anybody.

Posted by: DC Man88 | February 15, 2008 12:37 PM

1. Dallas Mavericks $93,628,178
2. New York Knicks $88,877,161
3. Denver Nuggets $79,956,015
4. Cleveland Cavaliers $76,342,271
5. Boston Celtics $74,626,104
6. Portland Trail Blazers $73,808,251
7. Houston Rockets $73,427,433
8. Miami Heat $73,049,874
9. Los Angeles Lakers $71,753,284
10. Philadelphia 76ers $71,417,379
11. Phoenix Suns $71,033,603
12. San Antonio Spurs $70,279,967
13. Minnesota Timberwolves $68,151,989
14. New Jersey Nets $67,722,711
15. Washington Wizards $67,550,468
16. Indiana Pacers $66,945,767
17. Golden State Warriors $66,200,917
18. Detroit Pistons $65,661,092
19. Los Angeles Clippers $64,481,478
20. Chicago Bulls $63,884,736
21. New Orleans Hornets $63,742,210
22. Seattle SuperSonics $63,246,298
23. Sacramento Kings $63,197,615
24. Milwaukee Bucks $62,599,267
25. Toronto Raptors $62,312,141
26. Utah Jazz $59,060,636
27. Orlando Magic $58,819,313
28. Atlanta Hawks $54,521,875
29. Charlotte Bobcats $52,711,896
30. Memphis Grizzlies $52,105,356

Posted by: JSchon | February 15, 2008 12:57 PM

expert, no offense taken. I'm willing to accept that he didn't commit the foul. With his rep at an all time low, there's no way he's getting away with anything, though. Unfortunately the refs are as star struck as the rest of us and
Maggette > Songaila in their eyes.

Posted by: mark | February 15, 2008 1:17 PM

expert, I'm not doubting you.

couple questions...
How many years before the Skins make it back to the bowl?
Who's gonna win the Deshawn/Gooden 'Rumplestiltskin-beard' contest?

Posted by: mark | February 15, 2008 1:20 PM

dc mann

I do agree with ya that the gilby signing is not a done deal .but dont follow the hughes,howard,and MJ comment? none of them deserved a max contract imo mj was 40plus, howard and hughes max money? no way...cleveland whishes they didnt give him the 12 as it is and cant give him away!!

Posted by: moostaffa | February 15, 2008 3:48 PM

The sad truth is the more times you ask the less likely it gets... Redskins Superbowl that is.

To understand this you have to really understand Schrodinger's cat and superpositions... which I do, because i know all things. At any rate, by the time they contend again they will have changed their name to SeaDogs.

Also, by early next year it is determined that Deshawn won the beard contest, because what is on Gooden's face isn't actually a beard at all... I would explain, but that mystery is a religion unto itself.

Gooden does win a celebrity cake baking contest against Senator Kwame Brown, in 2031...

Posted by: i expert | February 15, 2008 4:53 PM

I don't agree that Hughes or Juwan deserved anything near a max contract either, but here is what I'm talking about and how things played out with Les BouleS:

Larry Hughes: Before he became a free agent, EG said he would do everything in his power to retain him and that LH was a valuable part of this organization. LH played an instrumental role in getting Les BouleS into the 2nd round of the playoffs. When it came time to put his money where his mouth is, EG came up about 10 mil short, and Larry jumped to Cleveland. Many here may credit EG for making a shrewd move by only offering LH that lowball amount, but lost in all this was that EG upped his offer to match Cleveland's, but too late. By that time, LH had already committed to Cleveland. Therefore, don't believe everything you hear with EG saying so and so is valuable and "do everything."

Juwan Howard - Based on a mandate from Abe, Wes Unseld decided not to offer Juwan the market rate, and came out and said Les BouleS would not bow to the pressure of the market and would alter the market. Again, based on that, Juwan jumped to the heat and signed a contract with him. Les BouleS tried to come back and match the offer after huge public backlash, but too late. Then, Stern stepped in and gave Les BouleS a mulligan and said Juwan was not obligated to the Heat contract. Of course, the rest is history.

MJ - The story with MJ is unique and unprecedented. MJ agreed to come onboard as President and be part of Lincoln holdings, I believe, and thus potentially become a part owner of Les BouleS when Abe decided to sell. Then MJ had the itch to help the organization by playing, but he had to relinquish his rights as a future owner. He supposedly got a promise from Abe that he would get the offer back when he stopped playing. Well, as we all know, MJ finished playing, and instead of going back to his role as GM and future owner, Abe not only didn't keep his promise, but gave MJ the royal boot out of MCI center and blamed him for the turmoil in the organization (true or not, this is not the issue).

Conclusion: Don't believe everything Les BouleS management tells you, and if Abe has big enough cajones to kick MJ to the curb, don't think he won't do the same with Gilby, as Gilby's been threatening to leave here for less money if he doesn't get max money here. Also, George Solomon said Abe's favorite player is AJ, and that Abe doesn't respond well to threats. Therefore, that boils down to the resigning of Gilby not being a given.

Posted by: DC Man88 | February 15, 2008 4:54 PM

In case you care...

Renowned Physicist Dr. Darius "tippy toes" Songaila wins a Nobel Prize for his discovery of the "Quantum foul". A foul that is actually committed and not committed at the same time, his study of multi-dimensional refereeing is breath taking.

Posted by: i expert | February 15, 2008 4:58 PM

Bomb Dot Com DC Man88
Get it straight
Argue my knowledge and I'll seal your fate
Pick up that sock
I'm more logical than my man Mr. Spock
Gilby is only good if he has the rock
Lets trade GA for Jarrett Jack
Bike riding without a helmet in kinda whack
Its really dark in my basement its near pitch black
I have seen daylight for several weeks
I wear Crocs not Adidas sneaks
BWAHHHHHHHHHHHHH for all you geeks

Posted by: i smoke | February 15, 2008 6:01 PM

OMG, i guy is funny!!!

Posted by: Rook | February 15, 2008 10:41 PM

"Bomb Dot Com DC Man88
Get it straight
Argue my knowledge and I'll seal your fate
Pick up that sock
I'm more logical than my man Mr. Spock
Gilby is only good if he has the rock
Lets trade GA for Jarrett Jack
Bike riding without a helmet in kinda whack
Its really dark in my basement its near pitch black
I have seen daylight for several weeks
I wear Crocs not Adidas sneaks
BWAHHHHHHHHHHHHH for all you geeks

Posted by: i smoke | February 15, 2008 06:01 PM "

Sorry to see that you wasted your evening coming up with this corny rap. Good try tho.

Posted by: DC Man88 | February 15, 2008 10:42 PM

I know it was just a fun, meaningless game with no defense, but Navarro was impressive today. Three pointers, running shots , and teardrops.

Posted by: Anonymous | February 16, 2008 2:48 AM

Did Blake get the opportunities here that he got in Denver and Portland? Did Blake have the finishers here that he had/has in Denver and Portland? Did Blake get to the run the point full time here with Gilby firmly planted at the 1? Hello?!?!

Posted by: DC Man88 | February 14, 2008 02:57 PM

DC woman88 likes "white" players. DSong, Blake, etc.

Posted by: Anonymous | February 16, 2008 3:07 AM

"I know it was just a fun, meaningless game with no defense, but Navarro was impressive today. Three pointers, running shots , and teardrops.

Posted by: | February 16, 2008 02:48 AM "

Yeah, and NY and DMac weren't even invited.

Posted by: DC Man88 | February 16, 2008 11:32 AM

White players are great for the league. American white players are a rare and dying breed in the NBA. Can someone call the EEOC to see what's up with that?

Posted by: DC Man88 | February 16, 2008 11:34 AM

John Crotty played over 10 years in the league. WTF?

Where did all the great whities go?

Rex Chapman
Bobby Sura
Mark Price
Scott Wedman

Posted by: JSchon | February 16, 2008 11:55 AM

"Arenas said he doesn't regret what he said after his first experience with Team USA. "The next year, came back, I took over the league. By me saying what I said, it worked out in my favor," Arenas said."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/15/AR2008021503265.html

LOL!!!!

"Took over the league?" How so? Gilby, don't forget that your team was one and done in the playoffs, again. Does anyone need any more evidence that in his warped world, it's "all about Gilby?"

Posted by: DC Man88 | February 16, 2008 9:41 PM

You just have to wonder what Les BouleS could get for Gilby in return.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3249180

Posted by: DC Man88 | February 16, 2008 10:04 PM

Jamison, Butler Soak Up All-Star Experience
Wizards Duo Pitches In, Can't Hide Excitement
By Michael Lee Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, February 16, 2008; Page E05

NEW ORLEANS, Feb. 15 -- Before every game this season, Washington Wizards all-star forward Antawn Jamison rubs the tattoo on his left arm and points to the ceiling. It's a new tradition that started after Jamison decided to get some ink last August that reflects his faith and his love for his late grandmother, Annie Lee Jamison.

During a 45-minute session with reporters on Friday, Jamison took off his shirt to reveal a cross and an angel, a tattoo that spans from his biceps to his shoulder. "Ever since she passed, she's been my angel," said Jamison, whose grandmother died when he was in high school. "As a kid, I thought she was the only person that actually believed I could be an NBA player. I think she watches over me every game."

Caron Butler, Jamison's teammate on the Wizards and on the Eastern Conference all-star team, also revealed something. Butler said that had Jamison not snapped the team's eight-game losing streak with a miraculous, game-winning tip-in against the Los Angeles Clippers on Wednesday, he would've felt compelled to come back too soon from his strained left hip flexor.

"If we had lost another game, I would have no choice but to come back after the all-star break and play through pain," said Butler, who will sit out Sunday's All-Star Game. "It's a big relief. I'm going to take my time and make sure I'm healthy. I don't want this to be something that lingers on through the rest of the season."

more...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/15/AR2008021503692.html?nav=rss_sports/wizards

Posted by: Anonymous | February 17, 2008 12:43 AM

The Hawks trade Shelden Williams, Tyronn Lue, Lorenzen Wright and Anthony Johnson (in other words, nothing much) for Mike Bibby.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=stein_marc&page=BibbyTrade-080216

Posted by: kalorama | February 17, 2008 2:54 AM

Don't forget a 2nd round pick, as I reported also.

Posted by: DC Man88 | February 17, 2008 9:31 AM

"As usual, Kal...Yopur commensta realways either couched in or succeeded by a personal attack of sorts. You chastise me for an overreliance on stats. How about taking a look inside and adjusting the smugness. Even DCMAN is more pleasant to interact theses days.

As many posters have pointed out, you are NOT the expert despite your feeble attempts to portay yourself as one through an attitude that has become increasingly boorish and, quite frankly, tired."

Not nearly as tired as your incessant insistence that you know more about how to build a team than Ernie Grunfeld and more about how to coach a team than Eddie Jordan, two men who have decades of experience at both jobs, where you have not even a nanoseconds' familiarity with either.

I never claimed to be an expert. (And more than one poster has pointed out that your massaging of the numbers to make points often fly in the face of what actually happens on court. Here's a tip: Just because other people agree with you doesn't make you right.) Like everyone else here, I express my opinions. It just so happens that my opinions differ radically from yours, a fact that apparently you can't stomach. But, unlike you (and some others) I don't whine and cry about how I'm being attacked or treated unfairly because someone else expresses an opinion that differs from mine. I defend my opinions when challenged and have no problem with others doing the same. But rather than actually back what you say up when confronted, you seem to prefer playing the victim card. Poor, poor mark, everybody always gangin' up on him.

Please, spare us.

And I notice that nowhere in your petulant little screed did you actually address the basketball point of my post. To wit: You said Songaila's foul and Magette's free throws put the Clippers up in the game. You were wrong. Now, given how much time you waste whining about how I supposedly never admit when I'm wrong (despite the fact that most of the things you foolishly believe you prove me wrong about are my opinions), it's quite telling that when you're pointed out that you're wrong on an undeniably, easily provable fact your first (and only) response is not to say "I was wrong" but rather to launch an angry tirade at the person who pointed out you were wrong.

So I guess that makes you a hypocrite twice over. Once for constantly putting forth the idea that you know more about how to manage and coach a basketball team that the paid professionals yet snarkily deriding anyone who claims to know something you don't as "an expert." And secondly for expecting others to bow down to your expertise and concede your points at every turn (even when said points are based on opinion rather than fact) while showing not even the slightest willingness to admit when you're wrong, even when shown to be so on a basic matter of fact.

You want to see a tired act? Find a mirror.

Posted by: kalorama | February 17, 2008 1:21 PM

Bring back Juan Dixon. And Mars needs women!

Posted by: DC Kalorama 88 | February 17, 2008 2:00 PM

Funny...
Reading Kalorama's post... I could swear he was talking about himself...

Posted by: JSchon | February 17, 2008 4:19 PM

Really? Please enlighten us with details, JSchon. (Yeah, this should be good.)

Posted by: kalorama | February 17, 2008 4:22 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | February 17, 2008 10:59 PM

I enjoyed that post kal... but i knew i would.

A side note, it is actually impossible to use the word screed with any real meaning, unless you are creating an actual screed.

Some people think they can throw the word screed around like it's cake at a kwame brown birthday party... not you sir! Well done, indeed.

If I use another kwame Brown + Cake joke in this thread it would be officially tired.

:-)

Good stuff here as usual.

Posted by: i expert | February 18, 2008 3:26 AM

This just in: The Hawks now have the second best backcourt in the east conference with the Mike Bibby trade,the Hawks now are a legitmate threat,before you start laughing they have a young front line and finally some court direction hurry up and get well Gilbert because its going to be a dogfight from here on out.

Posted by: dargregmag@aol.com | February 18, 2008 9:49 AM

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