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Yao out, Wiz and Rockets

As you no doubt know by now, Rockets C Yao Ming is out for the season with a stress fracture in his left foot. The news was delivered to stunned Rockets players this morning at shootaround. The place where Yao had the injury diagnosed is called the Roger Clemens Institute for Sports Medicine and Human Peformance. I'm not kidding.

The ageless Dikembe Mutombo starts in Yao's place tonight and I'd also look for a ton of Luis Scola at center in a smaller lineup.

Last night's win in New Orleans was one of the most entertaining Wiz victories of my three years on the beat simply because of the way they hung around every time it looked as though they were going to lose and the way DeShawn Stevenson sacked it up and won that thing down the stretch.

DeShawn said it was the first game-winner he's made since high school. I was shocked that we didn't see the "I can't feel my face" hand swipe after the big shot.

"Man, I don't remember what I was doing," said Stevenson. "I was just happy it went in and we won this game."

Not much to update injury wise. It doesn't appear that Caron Butler, who did not make the trip, will be joining the team in Chicago prior to Friday's game so look for him to miss at least a couple more. Gilbert Arenas is on the trip and continues to try and cheat his way to wins over rookie Nick Young in pre-game one-on-one contests but nothing new to report on his return either.

When I say that Gilbert cheats when playing Nick, I mean, he does some real shameful big-brother-against-little-brother type stuff. False traveling calls, changing the rules in the middle of the game, switching up the score etc. Anyway, Nick still prevaled and won prior to last night's game in New Orleans and then he let Gilbert hear about it in the locker room. It makes for funny stuff.

By Ivan Carter  |  February 26, 2008; 8:23 PM ET
 
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hope the wiz can pull it off and win in chiago on friday

Posted by: brandon | February 26, 2008 8:48 PM | Report abuse

"When I say that Gilbert cheats when playing Nick, I mean, he does some real shameful big-brother-against-little-brother type stuff. False traveling calls, changing the rules in the middle of the game, switching up the score etc. Anyway, Nick still prevaled and won prior to last night's game in New Orleans and then he let Gilbert hear about it in the locker room. It makes for funny stuff."

Gilby is aging as we speak. I hope EG is watching these juan on juan games. Spread that "max money" to the other players instead.

Posted by: DC Man88 | February 26, 2008 9:24 PM | Report abuse

this game is awesome

Posted by: Anonymous | February 26, 2008 9:37 PM | Report abuse

what is going on tonight? i just looked at the box score, and it looks like a college game.

Posted by: ap | February 26, 2008 9:41 PM | Report abuse

Its almost halftime and the Wiz don't have twenty count'em two zero points yeah,yeah,yeah back to backs are tough but their is no excuse for lack of effort being out hustled and letting an ancient washed up backup center beat you like a drum.This lies at the feet of Ernie the GM who refuses to get his coach(who he is trying to find a reason to fire)any help at all, while a team like the Rockets went over the luxury tax to give Houston a chance at a championship FIRE THE GM NOW!!!!

Posted by: DARGREGMAG@AOL.COM | February 26, 2008 9:44 PM | Report abuse

"while a team like the Rockets went over the luxury tax to give Houston a chance at a championship"

How's that been working out for them?

Posted by: kalorama | February 26, 2008 10:18 PM | Report abuse

Nets lost. Philly is idle. Concede this debacle and move on.

Posted by: Pauly B. | February 26, 2008 10:19 PM | Report abuse

It's great to see Les BouleS carry the momentum from yesterday's big win against NO to tonight's game against the Rockets regardless that they are without Yao.

Posted by: DC Man88 | February 26, 2008 10:22 PM | Report abuse

OMG!

People here were going gaga last year when Gilby jumped off a trampoline and did a dunk after he scooped the ball under his leg at the all star warmups. That's nothing.

Comcast just showed a Houston cheerleader jump off a trampoline and spin forward 360 degrees and dunked it.

Posted by: DC Man88 | February 26, 2008 10:30 PM | Report abuse

I was sick as a dog before this game and even sicker now.

Ha! Where are all the EJ apologists now? What coach has his starters shoot 15% and allow the opposing team to shoot 60% in the 1st quarter and makes NO changes to the lineup????? Oh sorry he made some changes with like 50 something seconds left. Game over!!! Pathetic performance, but just as pathetic coaching!

Let's throw in some other tidbits. They were losing by 30+ to start the 3rd with no Yao and McGrady's line looked like 4 pts, 3 rbds, 3 assts. Then why the hell did Stevenson play half the 4th when the game was OVER!!!!

Someone please tell me the coaching genius of getting blown out by Luther Head, Battier, and Carl Landry with a little sprinkling of Mutombo.

I gotta stop. Just absolutely dreadful coaching and performance!

Oh, whomever is talking about firing EG is a fool and should not be allowed to post in here. Hell, I should not even comment, but hey it's one of those nights!

Posted by: Rob P | February 26, 2008 10:40 PM | Report abuse

I saw that DCMan! That was the best play of the game!

I hope to God EJ is fired after this season. I can't take anymore of his soft laid back approach to coaching bc that is exactly how this team plays at times!

Hell, give me Bernie Bickerstaff! At least he gets maximum effort from his team night in and night out and when he doesn't he lets them know it!

I'm sure EJ will have some comment about being on the road, back to backs, blah blah blah! Ok, Eddie if your throwing in the towel please telling something that even remotely makes sense that you left DS in the game until 6 mins were left???? I beg of you Ivan to ask him that question! The dude is hurting and the game was WAY OVER.

Posted by: Rob P | February 26, 2008 10:49 PM | Report abuse

"What coach has his starters shoot 15%.."

Yeah, because I'm sure he told them to miss all those shots in the pregame speech.

I love how people think that the fact that they're playing without Yao makes them easy pickings, while ignoring the fact that they were (A) playing at home (B) coming off a 12 game winning streak (C) 17 games over .500 while playing in maybe the toughest division in the NBA (D) playing a below .500 Wizards team that's missing its two best players and has two of its three starters banged up. Anyone who thought that once Yao went own that the Wiz would be able to just show up and roll over the Rockets was fooling themselves.

Is it a bad loss? Sure. But it by no stretch of the imagination is a shocking one.

Posted by: kalorama | February 26, 2008 10:54 PM | Report abuse

The Hornets win was more shocking than this loss to the Rockets.

Posted by: JSchon | February 26, 2008 11:00 PM | Report abuse

It's definitely a terrible loss considering the fact that you lose 20pts 10rebs b/c Yao is out, and then TMac only scores 11 points, while they get contributions from unheralded players such as Rafer Alston, Luis Scola, Luther Head, and Carl Landry. Not exactly house hold names, and these guys make combined 9 million dollars this season. Four guys, 9 mil.

Then what happened tonight? They come off a last second shot win against NO to get blown the F out by Houston by 25 pts.

What did D "Can't Feel My Face" S do to follow up yesterday's effort? 2-12, 5 pts.

http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=280226010

It wasn't bad, it was gawdawful!!!

Posted by: DC Man88 | February 26, 2008 11:11 PM | Report abuse

"they get contributions from unheralded players such as Rafer Alston, Luis Scola, Luther Head, and Carl Landry. "

They've been getting contributions from those guys for weeks. How do you think they won 12 (now 13) straight? Basically it came down to their supporting cast being better than the Wizards supporting cast. Which should hardly be a shock, considering that the Wiz came into the game 3 games under .500 and the Rockets were 17 games over.

"Not exactly house hold names..."

As opposed to such universally recognized stars as Antonio Daniels, Deshawn Stevenson, Nick Young, Roger Mason, and Andray Blatche?

"...and these guys make combined 9 million dollars this season."

Which might mean something if there were any kind of meaningful correlation between salary and ability.

The Rockets are a better team than the Wizards. Period. Without Yao they're just a little less better, but better nonetheless.

Does that excuse the ugly nature of the loss? No. But there's no reason on God's green Earth anyone should have come into this game expecting the Wiz to be favored.

Posted by: kalorama | February 26, 2008 11:22 PM | Report abuse

I'll say it again...it doesn't matter who we are playing. With 2 of the big 3 out we will struggle against anyone. We have had 3 close games in a row and this blowout was easy to predict. To me the win on Monday made this road trip a success because I expected to go 0-3.

EJ's coaching difficiencies are evident but not new. Normally he can get them to work hard enough to cover his mistakes. But any team like the Wiz that plays over its head all season is going to have about 5 games like this a year. Didn't matter what buttons EJ pushed. It just wasn't going to happen. Forget it and move on. And now after this embarrassment, don't be surprised if we come back and play another tight game against the Bulls.

Posted by: BmoreRev | February 26, 2008 11:26 PM | Report abuse

"They've been getting contributions from those guys for weeks. How do you think they won 12 (now 13) straight? Basically it came down to their supporting cast being better than the Wizards supporting cast. Which should hardly be a shock, considering that the Wiz came into the game 3 games under .500 and the Rockets were 17 games over."

It's more of a shock that Les BouleS supporting cast couldn't meet the challenge. It'd be interesting to hear what DS has to say to explain this blowout.

"As opposed to such universally recognized stars as Antonio Daniels, Deshawn Stevenson, Nick Young, Roger Mason, and Andray Blatche?"

Hmmm, AD has won a championship with the Spurs as the starter and NY was the "second greatest scorer coming out of USC compared to Harold Miner." A bit more recognizable in the NBA realm, not the universe as you have overblown it.

"Which might mean something if there were any kind of meaningful correlation between salary and ability."

Oh yes. The correlation is the lower paid guys were outplaying the higher paid guys. Much more hungry.

"The Rockets are a better team than the Wizards. Period. Without Yao they're just a little less better, but better nonetheless."

Nobody disputes this, so it's pointless to say it. The sad thing was that this game was noncompetitive. Les BouleS players just flat out gave up.

"Does that excuse the ugly nature of the loss? No. But there's no reason on God's green Earth anyone should have come into this game expecting the Wiz to be favored."

I'm not sure anybody said Les BouleS was favored. Surely not me. The point being made here was not about the loss, but about being blown the F out of the arena with players that didn't seem to care.

Posted by: DC Man88 | February 26, 2008 11:45 PM | Report abuse

"It's more of a shock that Les BouleS supporting cast couldn't meet the challenge. "

Nothing shocking about it. They're at the end of a tough road trip, coming off an emotional, last shot win, facing a team that's playing at home, coming off a 12 game win streak, and jacked up to prove that they aren't going to fold just because their main guy went down (much like the Wiz were when they beat Boston and Dallas). Everything about this game had Rockets victory written all over before the ball was tipped.

"Hmmm, AD has won a championship with the Spurs as the starter "

Being a supporting player on a title team from a decade ago doesn't make him a household name. And being a "household name" doesn't automatically make a guy better than less heralded players. (Also, Daniels wasn't the starter on the Spurs when they won the title. Avery Johnson was.)

"NY was the "second greatest scorer coming out of USC compared to Harold Miner.""

That's nonsense of the first rank and not even worth commenting on.

"The correlation is the lower paid guys were outplaying the higher paid guys. Much more hungry."

The Rockets players were outplaying the Wizards players because the Rockets players are better. Salary has nothing to do with it. There is no correlation.

Posted by: kalorama | February 27, 2008 12:10 AM | Report abuse

I am a big fan off nick smileing young, nick would never say it but I would say it on behalf off nick young to all those board writer that be hate on the super great, very talenting, high flying and most exciteing person out to watck I SAY TO YOU KISS NICK YOUNG ASS THANK YOU VERY MUCH

Posted by: linda johnson | February 27, 2008 12:11 AM | Report abuse

I am a big fan off nick smileing young, nick would never say it but I would say it on behalf off nick young to all those board writer that be hate on the super great, very talenting, high flying and most exciteing person out to watck I SAY TO YOU KISS NICK YOUNG ASS THANK YOU VERY MUCH

Posted by: linda johnson | February 27, 2008 12:11 AM | Report abuse

"It's more of a shock that Les BouleS supporting cast couldn't meet the challenge. "

Nothing shocking about it. They're at the end of a tough road trip, coming off an emotional, last shot win, facing a team that's playing at home, coming off a 12 game win streak, and jacked up to prove that they aren't going to fold just because their main guy went down (much like the Wiz were when they beat Boston and Dallas). Everything about this game had Rockets victory written all over before the ball was tipped.

"Hmmm, AD has won a championship with the Spurs as the starter "

Being a supporting player on a title team from a decade ago doesn't make him a household name. And being a "household name" doesn't automatically make a guy better than less heralded players. (Also, Daniels wasn't the starter on the Spurs when they won the title. Avery Johnson was.)

"NY was the "second greatest scorer coming out of USC compared to Harold Miner.""

That's nonsense of the first rank and not even worth commenting on.

"The correlation is the lower paid guys were outplaying the higher paid guys. Much more hungry."

The Rockets players were outplaying the Wizards players because the Rockets players are better. Salary has nothing to do with it. There is no correlation.

Posted by: kalorama | February 27, 2008 12:11 AM | Report abuse

jesus. the wizards had that built in excuse before the game and they played just like it. That was a sickening display and why EJ will never be considered elite coach. He can't get this team over the hump at least to play like you gave a crap. Of course big 2 are out, but they beat a very good hornets team the night before. No excuses.

Posted by: Stick | February 27, 2008 12:34 AM | Report abuse

The Wiz compete when they pass and move the ball. When they go one one one we get what we got tonight.
It does reflect the coach, as a time out to stress making the extra pass, is what an observant and pro active coach does.
AJ has been going more and more one on one, and the only plays run seem to be to encourage him.
Also NY, RM, AJ and Pech will always fire no matter the offense, from wherever they are. It gets down to coaching, and also the soft nature of this team. With the exception of Butler, they all need to maximize time in the weight room. This is not exactly a ripped team. Perhaps one of the reasons for the woeful back to back record...no strength players, witout CB.
Also as has been said, the entire second half screamed for the starters to be rested, is that so difficult EJ? I guess not when you coach like your job is on the line, let's hope so!

Posted by: mricklen | February 27, 2008 2:27 AM | Report abuse

So we lost the second game of a back to back after a energy sapping victory the night before. We had a let down. It's no big deal. If we'd lost this game with our guys healthy, then it'd be something to talk about. Let's move on.

Posted by: mark | February 27, 2008 7:31 AM | Report abuse

"Nothing shocking about it. They're at the end of a tough road trip, coming off an emotional, last shot win, facing a team that's playing at home, coming off a 12 game win streak, and jacked up to prove that they aren't going to fold just because their main guy went down (much like the Wiz were when they beat Boston and Dallas). Everything about this game had Rockets victory written all over before the ball was tipped."

Maybe in your world, but there's no excuse not to be competitive. If this team was all rookies and young players, then this Houston loss could be reasoned based on your points, but this team has been there done that. This team has vets such as AJ, BTH, DSong, and AD on the court, and they could not prevent this blowout. Sad, that's what this is.

"Being a supporting player on a title team from a decade ago doesn't make him a household name. And being a "household name" doesn't automatically make a guy better than less heralded players. (Also, Daniels wasn't the starter on the Spurs when they won the title. Avery Johnson was.)"

Nobody said anyone was household name. What I said was the core of Les BouleS was better known because not only seniority (AJ, BTH, and AD), but you can also add the notoriety that DS got from his shot against NO. Then you add AB and DS being free agents this past season, AB with his arrest, and BTH with his fight with ET. Who knows anything about Luther Head, Rafer Alston, and Scola?

"That's nonsense of the first rank and not even worth commenting on."

LOL! I'm glad you didn't take my NY joke seriously.

"The Rockets players were outplaying the Wizards players because the Rockets players are better. Salary has nothing to do with it. There is no correlation."

Yeah. Do we need any more evidence now that AJ shouldn't be resigned anywhere near his current rate? This "savvy veteran" couldn't get Les BouleS ready for this potential letdown loss against Houston which really turned out to be a blowout. Also, EJ didn't prepare the team mentally from their big win against NO. Also, people should stop getting on this blog right after a rare good outing by DS to blast JCN.

Posted by: DC Man88 | February 27, 2008 8:49 AM | Report abuse

Houston plays great defense. They make you work for every inch. It was nice to watch.

Posted by: Anonymous | February 27, 2008 9:10 AM | Report abuse

4 games in five nights...you are supposed to lose these games. O well, EJ will prevail against the bulls.

Posted by: Burg w/ a U | February 27, 2008 9:20 AM | Report abuse

Annon. I was just getting ready to post the same thing. That defense was no "JOKE". Everyone was active and their whole defensive balance on the floor was like a perfectly linked chain.

Anybody trying to blame Eddie for this lost has lost their mind. We have two main guns out and it would have been a struggle to win even with Gilbert and CB out there.

This Houston team is playing defense like Detroit did a couple of years ago. Eddie did the best he could do with a 24 hour turnaround and also traveling with a depleted team. How was this terrible coaching on his part? The players have to get their shot off, which they could not do because of that great defense Houston was playing.

EH has made some very bad coaching moves in the past, but for the most part he has improved a whole heck of a lot. Don't judge the man on this one game, Houston has won 12 straight so far right. They have been doing the same thing to other teams who were at full strength, so what do you think was going to happen when they play the depleted Wiz.....????

Posted by: Bullets Fever #1 | February 27, 2008 9:22 AM | Report abuse

This loss can't be pinned on Antawn. There are four other gus on the floor beside him. With that being said, some how, some way, this team is going to have to learn to win back to back games. The excuse that they had just won a hard game the night before is wearing thin. Plenty of teams win tough games and come out and win again the next night. I knew that the Wiz would perform as they did but I had hoped they would prove me wrong. I am going to come right out and say it, they could have done better and need to do better on these back to backs. Period.

Posted by: Anonymous | February 27, 2008 9:22 AM | Report abuse

Also, I understand we were undermanned and probably should have loss. I am just questioning the effort after a back to back. I just think they could have played them a little closer.

Posted by: Anonymous | February 27, 2008 9:24 AM | Report abuse

"This loss can't be pinned on Antawn. There are four other gus on the floor beside him. With that being said, some how, some way, this team is going to have to learn to win back to back games. The excuse that they had just won a hard game the night before is wearing thin. Plenty of teams win tough games and come out and win again the next night. I knew that the Wiz would perform as they did but I had hoped they would prove me wrong. I am going to come right out and say it, they could have done better and need to do better on these back to backs. Period.

Posted by: | February 27, 2008 09:22 AM "

It's not AJ's fault that not all the balls went into the hoop, but it is AJ's fault if you believe the excuse that Les BouleS were mentally not into the game b/c of their huge win against NO the previous night.

It's not the first time the team has let down fans after a big win, so I guess the point is they never learned from the past, although BTH was quoted as saying:

"At some point you get tired of losing all these close games. We've been in a lot of close games and we haven't pulled them out, but at the same time, when you lose like that, you get a little bit better. You get a little bit wiser." - Wizards C Brendan Haywood

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/26/AR2008022600036.html

Maybe embarrassing blowouts are easier to forget for this team, which kind of defies logic. Then again, they are used to embarrassing blowouts. Anybody remember the knicks game last week?

Posted by: DC Man88 | February 27, 2008 9:28 AM | Report abuse

Normally we're on the same page, BF1 but there's now way this team beats us if we have a healthy GA, CB and AJ and they have no Yao. I'd chalk this one up to fatigue.
I am really glad that Cb is not playing and GA is not rushing back, I think the Wiz finally decided to play it smart and focus on the stretch run. I'm just glad we didn't panic and blow the team chemistry up like the Suns did. I'm convinced that these games now are hardening our rookies and young players and getting them ready for crucial contributions during the playoffs. (And yes, we WILL make the playoffs if the guys come back within the next few weeks)

Posted by: mark | February 27, 2008 9:30 AM | Report abuse

It's also clear to me that Songaila has a place on this team. I still dont think he should be getting more than 10 minutes a game but 10 seems about right. Pech needs more PT. He shoots every time he touches it but confidence is not a bad thing if combined with skill and drive.

Posted by: mark | February 27, 2008 9:32 AM | Report abuse

It would be nice to see Caron and Gil play for a few minutes on March 17th against Atlanta at home before they go on a long road trip.

The Wiz will be challenged on that road trip, which is good. When they get home in April, they can start winning and gaining confidence. The last game of the regular season is against the Magic in Orlando. Remember the NY Giants.

My biggest concern is that AJ be strong for the playoffs. He's playing tired right now, which subjects him to greater injury risk.

Posted by: Izman | February 27, 2008 10:23 AM | Report abuse

If we put "learn some lessons from the game" before "and move on", the Wizards will be all right. One thing I liked, for the most part during the second half the Wizards played good defense. Still many lapses, but the intention and effort was there.

Posted by: rgz | February 27, 2008 10:28 AM | Report abuse

Just so I'm getting this striaght, this is the same team that was playing so well that some wanted to dump Gil cause he was overrated. Caron goes out with a hip flexor, and they rightfully struggle with TWO Allstars out of the lineup and the sky is falling.

Boy, is that anyway to run a business or what!

As always B-Rev is right on target. Darnell is the betting man amoung us, but even I can tell you that the easiest pickings in Pro Sports betting is watching the NBA schedule. Get a team, any team, on the road on a back to back after a string of games and they won't cover the spread.
Dickie V would say,"It's blowout city, baby!"

You can look at the NBA schedule and there are all kinds of losses that look really bad by every team every year. When you look closer they're mostly the second night of a back to back on a long road swing or a rugged group of games.

The win in New Orleans was a big win if the Wiz bounce back against Chicago it's been a successful road trip. If they don't as undermanned as they are it would be about what's expected.

Winning in New Orleans the Wiz overcame the toughest homecourt advantage in sports. Some call it the Rick factor, there have been more Pro athletes arrested outside of that Bourbon Street Club then just about anywhere in the USA. So we got the win and didn't leave anybody in the N.O. jail. Except Ivan hasn't been posting much lately, do they issue one E-Mail from jail now?

If Gil's talking while Gil's playing with the Youngblood, Gil's starting to feel ok. That's the best injury report I've heard so far. As long as Caron avoids the predicted hip transplant, things are looking up.

Posted by: GM | February 27, 2008 10:35 AM | Report abuse

Chalk it up to "due for a let down", back to back game by a tired team, or any other reason. I have to give the Wizzies credit for the way they have played without CB & GA. They have been in most games since and won a few. Say what you will about EJ but he's getting a lot out of what he has. The bright spot is the development of the bench. I see some bright spots there. If NY, AB & OP hit the weight room this summer they will be bigger factors next year. Lack of strength is apparent - being stripped & loosing rebounds that they should have rarely happens to the Vets.

Posted by: VB Fan | February 27, 2008 10:47 AM | Report abuse

Normally we're on the same page, BF1 but there's now way this team beats us if we have a healthy GA, CB and AJ and they have no Yao. I'd chalk this one up to fatigue.

Posted by: mark | February 27, 2008 09:30 AM

What's up Mark, but yes you are right we are going to have to agree to disagree on this one. We agree on almost everything else, so we are due a disagreement. Yes CB and Gil playing would have made the game "closer" only because they are the only ones on the team, other than NY, who can create their own space and thus be able to get off a shot even against great defenders.

However, with that being said the game would then go down to be decided by who plays the better defense. In that game you can see the Rockets were playing defense like they were the old 1980's Hoyas with Gene Smith leading the defensive charge at the top of the key.

The Wiz would not have been able to shut them down, Yao or no Yao, regardless because they lack foot speed on the primeter. You can have Haywood and AB back there all day (i.e. free safety on a football team), but if you do not have the primeter defensive players (i.e. pass rushers on the D line of a football team) stoping the penetration you are going to lose most close games on the defensive end.

For example, look at the NY Giants. They stockpile nothing but good and some great pass rushers to disrupt the opposing teams passing game. NY's secondary is below average at best. But because they were able to get a pass rush every time and disrupt the other teams QB, their below average secredary never got exposed.

The same concept works in basketball. You must have guards who want to play aggressive primeter defense. That is not Gilbert, nor AD at the moment because of his injury. CB plays passing lanes like Larry Hughes, so he is not a man to man defender either. DMAC and DS are the only players on the squad who is capable of playing good "chest to chest" primeter defense.

So to summarize, if CB and Gil were playing the game, yes the game probably would have been closer and it would have been a higher scoring game. However, the Wiz would have lost because that Rockets defense is the best I have seen since Detroit's a couple years back when Larry Brown was coaching them. Defense wins championships, not offense.

"Stay in that Haywood Bandwagon, it starting to get full"......

Posted by: Bullets Fever #1 | February 27, 2008 10:48 AM | Report abuse

"If Gil's talking while Gil's playing with the Youngblood, Gil's starting to feel ok. That's the best injury report I've heard so far. As long as Caron avoids the predicted hip transplant, things are looking up.

Posted by: GM | February 27, 2008 10:35 AM "

I guess you misssed the part where Ivan reported that Gilby was pulling old man tricks like calling travels, etc. on NY, who won the matchups anyway.

That kind of gives a good indication that Gilby can't play the 2, b/c he can't guard the big SG's.


" When I say that Gilbert cheats when playing Nick, I mean, he does some real shameful big-brother-against-little-brother type stuff. False traveling calls, changing the rules in the middle of the game, switching up the score etc. Anyway, Nick still prevaled and won prior to last night's game in New Orleans and then he let Gilbert hear about it in the locker room. It makes for funny stuff.

By Ivan Carter | February 26, 2008; 8:23 PM ET "

Posted by: DC Man88 | February 27, 2008 10:49 AM | Report abuse

This team, with Gil and Caron out, just does not have enough weapons, and is not a playoff caliber team (as we have seen last year).

Sure they may still win a game or two, here and there, but that's about it. The game in New Orleans was great, but it took a career high from Stevenson to do it, and we cannot expect Stevenson can play like that every game (if he does, he would've been an all-star). I really like to know when Gil and Caron can be back, or are we expected to write this season off.

Posted by: Sagaliba | February 27, 2008 10:55 AM | Report abuse

Gil's talking and clowning around so he's starting to feel good.

Plain and simple, he's on the way back, that's a good injury report to me.

As always 88 will find a negative side of anything to put his spin on.

These are the days he lives for, a big loss and a couple of days off, he can spout at least til friday night!

Posted by: GM | February 27, 2008 11:07 AM | Report abuse

Watching last night's game, it's pretty clear that what this team is missing most right now is a point guard. Houston was defending out to 30 feet and the Wizards couldn't even get in their offense. And Skip to my Lou looked like an all star for the 2nd game against the Wizards this season.

The number 2 priority this offseason (after resigning Gilbert and Jamsion) is shoring up the PG position. Having Gilbert as a starter is great, and AD can be effective when healthy, but they need to start grooming a third PG to take AD's spot, maybe through the draft (Darren Collison would be great -- great defender, and Hopla can fix his shot) or free agency.

Posted by: Anonymous | February 27, 2008 11:07 AM | Report abuse

"As always 88 will find a negative side of anything to put his spin on.

These are the days he lives for, a big loss and a couple of days off, he can spout at least til friday night!

Posted by: GM | February 27, 2008 11:07 AM "

GM, if you have a bone to pick, talk to Ivan:

" When I say that Gilbert cheats when playing Nick, I mean, he does some real shameful big-brother-against-little-brother type stuff. False traveling calls, changing the rules in the middle of the game, switching up the score etc. Anyway, Nick still prevaled and won prior to last night's game in New Orleans and then he let Gilbert hear about it in the locker room. It makes for funny stuff.

By Ivan Carter | February 26, 2008; 8:23 PM ET "

BTW, how are the "SWADAGGERRR" t-shirts selling? Got to be better than snow shovels.

Posted by: DC Man88 | February 27, 2008 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Business is good here, How many people are buying what you spend all day on here trying to sell?

Post your name and address and I'll send you a signed Tee Shirt. But I'm not responsible for the brothers that may show up at your door regarding your past racist rants. Probably best to forget about it, a Tee shirt's not worth a good beating!

Got to get back to work, and you can go ahead and do what ever it is you do...

Posted by: GM | February 27, 2008 11:34 AM | Report abuse

All 88 does is sit in his mom's basement bashing Gil and the team on either this blog or ESPN (as CLewiston where they hate him too). What a sad life!

Posted by: Spanky | February 27, 2008 11:45 AM | Report abuse

That kind of gives a good indication that Gilby can't play the 2, b/c he can't guard the big SG's.

Posted by: DC Man88 | February 27, 2008 10:49 AM

And how does Gil (coming back from injury) and NY playing in a one-on-one game prove ANYTHING about Gil's abilities to play the 2?

GM's right. You just can't say ANYTHING positive about the Wizards OR Gilbert Arenas at all... You take every opportunity to twist the meaning of any posting by Ivan, or any article written anywhere in the world to attempt to make a negative point.

Posted by: Rook | February 27, 2008 12:16 PM | Report abuse

"Business is good here, How many people are buying what you spend all day on here trying to sell?

Post your name and address and I'll send you a signed Tee Shirt. But I'm not responsible for the brothers that may show up at your door regarding your past racist rants. Probably best to forget about it, a Tee shirt's not worth a good beating!

Got to get back to work, and you can go ahead and do what ever it is you do...

Posted by: GM | February 27, 2008 11:34 AM "

LOL!

An angry GM is so so funny....

Posted by: DC Man88 | February 27, 2008 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Darren Collison would be great -- great defender, and Hopla can fix his shot) or free agency.

Posted by: | February 27, 2008 11:07 AM


Boy Anon, you hit it on the head. Collison would be a great pick, assuming he is still available when the draft gets around to the Wizards turn.

Unless EG can package some picks/players to move up to select Derrick Rose, Collison would be my second choice.

Collison has exceptional quickness and long arms. He's been called a "lock down" defender. Aran Smith says he's an "absolute jet, has an extra gear which allows him to blow by virtually any college PG at will".

http://www.nbadraft.net/admincp/profiles/darrencollison.html

I've seen him play several times this year and he would be a perfect guy for the Wizards, who have difficulties with quick point guards. This guy would be the offset to that deficiency.


Posted by: Rook | February 27, 2008 12:27 PM | Report abuse

"And how does Gil (coming back from injury) and NY playing in a one-on-one game prove ANYTHING about Gil's abilities to play the 2?

GM's right. You just can't say ANYTHING positive about the Wizards OR Gilbert Arenas at all... You take every opportunity to twist the meaning of any posting by Ivan, or any article written anywhere in the world to attempt to make a negative point.

Posted by: Rook | February 27, 2008 12:16 PM "

Gilby just can't flat play D regardless if he's injured or well. We've seen that during his tenure here.

Since you're so enlightened, why don't you try to extract something positive about Gilby's "really shameful" acts from Ivan's post? If he's not well enough to play NY straight up, then he should just keep himself out of these duels. It was funny and great that Ivan passed on these tidbits.

" When I say that Gilbert cheats when playing Nick, I mean, he does some real shameful big-brother-against-little-brother type stuff. False traveling calls, changing the rules in the middle of the game, switching up the score etc. Anyway, Nick still prevaled and won prior to last night's game in New Orleans and then he let Gilbert hear about it in the locker room. It makes for funny stuff.

By Ivan Carter | February 26, 2008; 8:23 PM ET "

Posted by: DC Man88 | February 27, 2008 12:30 PM | Report abuse

"All 88 does is sit in his mom's basement bashing Gil and the team on either this blog or ESPN (as CLewiston where they hate him too). What a sad life!

Posted by: Spanky | February 27, 2008 11:45 AM "

Funny! I was just about to say the same thing about you. What a coincidence!

Posted by: DC Man88 | February 27, 2008 12:32 PM | Report abuse

AJ and CB need to take Gilbert and Nick out to the shed for some advice. The time for rookie initiation and frathouse distractions is past.

Posted by: rgz | February 27, 2008 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Would a reporter please ask EJ why he plays his starters late in the 3rd and 4th quarter of a blowout like this one? It is absurd, particularly for a team as short handed as the Wizards. It reminds of a horse trainer so desperate for a win he runs his prize horse in a race, despite the knowledge of injury and potential permanent harm. Ernie, these Wizard players deserve a real professional coach with strong leadership ability. Please make this a top off season priority. Larry Brown would be nice...

Posted by: oddjob | February 27, 2008 1:24 PM | Report abuse

"The Rockets players were outplaying the Wizards players because the Rockets players are better. Salary has nothing to do with it. There is no correlation."

unless your GM is named Dan Snyder, there's usually a very strong correlation between ability and salary. the Rockets aren't exceeding the salary cap just for fun.

Posted by: stevie | February 27, 2008 1:32 PM | Report abuse

The Rockets got great production from a bunch of guys who are still on their rookie contracts. That translates into a lot of bang for the buck.

I really enjoy seeing Dikembe play. Best argument out there against the "retire at the top of your game" bullcrud.

Posted by: Anonymous | February 27, 2008 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Aw man, quit saying that DC Man88 is actually me. Compared to him, I'm Mother effing Theresa!

Posted by: pjkiger1 | February 27, 2008 2:30 PM | Report abuse

"unless your GM is named Dan Snyder, there's usually a very strong correlation between ability and salary. the Rockets aren't exceeding the salary cap just for fun."

Even with Yao and a 12 game winning streak, they were still only number 7 in the West. Meanwhile the NY Knicks have the highest payroll in the NBA.


Posted by: kalorama | February 27, 2008 2:35 PM | Report abuse

BTW: for those suggesting the Wiz go after Magloire ... sorry sports fans. The Mavs scooped him up.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3267197

Posted by: kalorama | February 27, 2008 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Does this mean the agitat Haiku battle is over?

I kinda liked that, but then I'm easily amused.


Posted by: Pauly B. | February 27, 2008 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Les BouleS fans have hope.

Leonsis showed yesterday that he's an aggressive owner who will take chances to improve his team. Who knows if any of these moves will pan out at the end, but the point is that Leonsis is allowing his GM to make moves to improve the team.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/26/AR2008022601741.html

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"On a larger scale, Jordan wants to win now. Like any coach who signed a two-year extension with a team option for the third year last summer, the continuity line gets old.

"But I understand Mr. Pollin's standpoint," Jordan said. "We want to stay within a certain budget for the Washington Wizards. We're not going to be like four or five or six other teams that can do anything it takes to win. Those are decisions we made within the organization. It doesn't bother me. There are times when you say, 'How come we can't get this guy?' But then you say, 'These are the parameters the organization has set.' "

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/02/16/AR2007021602210.htm


Posted by: DC Man88 | February 27, 2008 3:04 PM | Report abuse

I see the screenname bandit is at it, again.

Posted by: pjkiger1 | February 27, 2008 3:11 PM | Report abuse

LOL! What happens when you don't listen?


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Washington, DC: Ivan:

I've got to follow up on your comment that "What happened was this: Caron pushed himself to come back too quickly." You also said that Gilbert pushed himself too hard and too quickly.

Did Caron ignore the Wizards' doctors advice? Were they telling him to not push so hard, and he ignored them? Was he working out off-site so that the Wizards were not aware that he was doing?

Did the Wizards' medical staff agree that he was ready to go against the Lakers? Where is the Wizards' medical staff responsibility in all of this? Or is it "all Caron's fault"?

Ivan Carter: I don't think it's anyone's "fault" Injuries happen and sometimes, injuries linger. Caron took three games off after originally hurting himself, practiced and played a full game against the Lakers. Then, he aggravated the injury two days later at Philly and hasn't played since. The strained left hip flexor thing is a tricky injury to begin with. The way Caron described it to me, it felt good for the Lakers game but then he made a certain movement in the Philly game and it popped on him. As for Gilbert, he flat admitted that he didn't listen to the trainers and doctors this summer and overworked the knee.

Posted by: DC Man88 | February 27, 2008 3:21 PM | Report abuse

One of our players has a horrible knee injury! He tried to come back too fast to help the team!
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Posted by: Anonymous | February 27, 2008 3:40 PM | Report abuse

"One of our players has a horrible knee injury! He tried to come back too fast to help the team!
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Posted by: | February 27, 2008 03:40 PM "

Not really.

He tried to comeback too soon with his "Comeback Part 2," as he told Chicky Hernandez. It was all a PR campaign that fell flat like a pancake.

Much ballyhooed parachute, helmet-less biking, unsupervised games at Barry Farms with 9 ft. rims, etc. The list goes on and on.

On the other hand, nobody heard about Caron's workouts and nobody would have predicted what kind of sensation he was going to be this season. Also, nobody heard about BTH's free throw work.

Posted by: DC Man88 | February 27, 2008 3:49 PM | Report abuse

The parachute was ballyhooed? You and Dan Steinberg were the only two that I saw reporting it.

Posted by: Anonymous | February 27, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

DCMan, Kalorama is going to pick apart anything I post now bc I took him to task for insinuating that Lamar Odom was better than Caron Butler. He'll do the same to you apparently if you agree with me. LOL

Couple points:

We had one all-star playing. Houston had one all-star playing. Houston may or may not be better, but their 13 game win streak included Yao Ming! Much like how we're a better team with Butler.

Kalorama, your brilliant. I never said EJ told them to miss all those shots or whatever dumb comment you made. My point, which I'm sure every other poster in here understood, was that you start substituting players about 6/7 minutes into the first quarter based on the performance of the starters. You don't watch a pathetic performance by your starters and do nothing until there are 50 seconds left in the first. The game was over at that point! Pathetic coaching!

Hey, I did not necessarily expect a win, but I expected something more competitive.

mricklin, nice post. Your right this team is as soft as it's coach. Houston is a "tough" team and it explains why we could not hang. Blatche, Haywood, Jamison has to be the SOFTEST front court in the NBA! I am strongly leaning towards starting McGuire instead of Blatche bc it's not like your missing a ton of offense and you get much better D, rebouding, and toughness. Should start calling them the Washington Cupcakes! lol

Posted by: Rob P | February 27, 2008 3:53 PM | Report abuse

"I took him to task for insinuating that Lamar Odom was better than Caron Butler"

LOL! I love it when faceless internet hacks get all macho and badass behind the safe anonymity of their keyboards.

Took me to task? Pleas. What a tool.

Posted by: kalorama | February 27, 2008 3:56 PM | Report abuse

No surprise that the Wiz lost the 4th game in a 5-night stretch after an emotional win against NO. The Wiz are something like 8-34 without CB over the last 3 season. They were 4 goes over .500 when he hurt his hip and lost two games when he shouldn't have been playing. EB and EJ are realistic enough to know they need BOTH GA and CB to have any chance in a playoff series, whether they are seeded against Toronto or Boston. Smart to get their two All-Stars healthy, scrape together a few wins over the next couple weeks, and then hope to have some continuity when the playoffs start. It wasn't like the Wiz were going to catch Orlando or Cleveland for a higher seed . Let's hope the experience gained by the younger players will help come playoff time and in the future. People need to stop calling for EJ's head with the Wizards depleted rostor.

Posted by: wizfan89 | February 27, 2008 3:56 PM | Report abuse

We're all assuming that when we get our full team back, we'll revert to last year's team when we played no D. I'm assuming that once we're at full strength, we'll see a bettr version of the team that wa winning games earlier this year by holding teams down. Fact is, teams with low turnovers and good FT% win a good share of games. All we need now is to really start scoring more effectively. CB and GA will create fouls and put more pressure on the other teams, decreasing the other teams effectiveness on offense. We are in position to be a great team if we can all get healthy. That's the key. Our bench is getting deep and we have vetarans that won't nut in critical situations. believe me. We will be good. just get healthy !

Posted by: mark | February 27, 2008 3:59 PM | Report abuse

How about Jeff Van Gundy for coach? I can hear the players whining already. But, I bet Butler wouldn't.

Posted by: Rob P | February 27, 2008 3:59 PM | Report abuse

"My point, which I'm sure every other poster in here understood, was that you start substituting players about 6/7 minutes into the first quarter based on the performance of the starters."

Really? And which of the many books on coaching you've written was that bit of wisdom taken from?

Every coach substitutes players differently, and not every one of them does it the same way every game. There is no formula or time code for the process. And on a team riddled by injuries, where two regular starters (both All-stars) are missing, half of the remaining lineup is banged up, and "going to the bench" means relying on guys who, under normal circumstances would be third stringers, yanking the starters after 6 minutes and hoping for better play from a bench that hasn't been consistently productive all season is a blind leap of faith that few coaches would make.

Posted by: kalorama | February 27, 2008 4:02 PM | Report abuse

"What I said was the core of Les BouleS was better known because not only seniority (AJ, BTH, and AD), but you can also add the notoriety that DS got from his shot against NO."

All of which has jack-all to do with anything that actually happens on the floor.

Posted by: kalorama | February 27, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

wizfan, injuries have nothing to do with heart, effort, and toughness!!! Houston had every reason to not show up as they just found out their best player was out for the year.

Stop making excuses for this team!

The Wiz probably have the same attitude and thus lose last night as they did and to NY before that, and to the other myriad of really bad losses before that. That's coaching!

I've seen Bernie Bickerstaff coach some really bad teams, but his teams ALWAYS played hard and tough even when out manned on a nightly basis. Wish this team had the same makeup!

Posted by: Rob P | February 27, 2008 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Or, conversely, they had every reason to want to show up and beat a vastly inferior opponent in order to prove that they weren't out of it just because was gone. Maybe they decided to display some heart, effort, and toughness by not rolling over.

Posted by: kalorama | February 27, 2008 4:11 PM | Report abuse

"People need to stop calling for EJ's head with the Wizards depleted rostor."

I would strongly advise against holding your breath waiting for that to happen.

Posted by: kalorama | February 27, 2008 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Well you would make a great coach then Kalorama. Maybe putting in say Mason or McGuire earlier in the first would have done nothing, but to watch that debacle and make no changes is sleepwalking your way through the game. Hey, EJ was sleeping through the game and so did the team. Makes perfect sense!

Please explain why some starters were still playing in the 4th qtr since you are the coaching expert? Stevenson, Mr Bad Knee, was still playing with 6 minutes left in the game. That's flat out inexcusable!

Hmmm, I watch a lot of games and I watch the Lakers often and I GUARANTEE Phil Jackson would have been tried anything to jump start his team. He is not tied to playing schedules at all costs that apparently EJ is.

Posted by: Rob P | February 27, 2008 4:14 PM | Report abuse

I think I have to watch Phil and the Lakers just so I don't forget what good innovative coaching looks like!

Reminder - EJ has a 44% career winning percentage.

So don't act like he is somehow beyond reproach. Plus, for a while, EJ was getting a lot of credit for the Nets success a few years back. Maybe even more than Byron Scott. I believe Byron Scott was even a little mad about him getting so much credit. Fast forward and Scott's team is one of the best in the West and the Wiz are scrapping along in the leastern conference.

Posted by: Rob P | February 27, 2008 4:23 PM | Report abuse

mricklin, nice post. Your right this team is as soft as it's coach. Houston is a "tough" team and it explains why we could not hang. Blatche, Haywood, Jamison has to be the SOFTEST front court in the NBA! I am strongly leaning towards starting McGuire instead of Blatche bc it's not like your missing a ton of offense and you get much better D, rebouding, and toughness. Should start calling them the Washington Cupcakes! lol

Posted by: Rob P | February 27, 2008 03:53 PM

Rob P I have to disagree with you here my man. First of all AB is not the regular starter, CB is. Are you saying CB is as soft at a cubcake??? CB is hurt right now, so that is why AB is starting. He is a bench player right now. He would not be a bench player if he did not have a shortcoming somewhere. Maybe softness might be one of them, although I don't think he is soft, I just think he "drifts" mentally a lot.

As for calling AJ and Haywood soft is way off base too. AJ just has two left feet when it comes to playing defense. That does not mean he is soft. The tradeoff is he gets you double doubles every game and he is a great leader. What's wrong with that???

As for Haywood, in what games have you been looking at where you drew this conclusion? Haywood gives up hard fouls on jokers trying to drive to the rim. So I do not have a clue on how you came to that "cupcake" thing you said.

As for EJ, the man is working with the hand he has been dealt. Houston had its full complement of players other than Yao. And old Deke is not a drastic dropoff like the dropoff's we having trying to replace Gilbert and CB. So that was still not an even game as far as talent was concerned. If TMac was not playing we would have still got smoked because of that defense they were playing. That is the difference between them and the Wiz.

So out of all this I am just trying to say is wait for EJ to get Gil and CB back and then start judging him. I am seeing Eddie changing his style now, so I am working with him. He has no help from ownership, and maybe Ernie has not stepped to Abe hard enough to make him see the man needs some more "ACTIVE" bodies to help him run a simple practice.

If Abe can not stand the heat in the kitchen (running a modern NBA team) he needs to get out and give it to somebody who can stand the heat!!! (Hint Hint... Ted Lenois)

Posted by: Bullets Fever #1 | February 27, 2008 4:28 PM | Report abuse

"Please explain why some starters were still playing in the 4th qtr since you are the coaching expert?"

I love this "expert" bulls**t coming from the guy who seems to literally race to his keyboard after every game to give us a full and complete accounting of what the coach who's spent the last 20 plus years playing or coaching in the NBA did "wrong" and what he, who has never played or coached a nanosecond of NBA ball, would have done instead, all stated in an air of unearned authority.

"I watch a lot of games"

So do I. Yet, oddly, I don't walk away from them having convinced myself that I know better how to coach an NBA team than the guys who get paid to do so. Your TV must have some kind of special filter that mine is missing.

"I watch the Lakers often and I GUARANTEE Phil Jackson would have been tried anything to jump start his team."

And did Phil tell you this directly through the screen? Or was it communicated telepathically while you slept?

(If I actually thought it would penetrate, I'd make the fairly obvious point that the Lakers' bench is a hell of a lot better/proven/consistent/impactful than the Wizards', thus making it a lot easier and more reasonable to expect them to come into a game with a double digit deficit and do something other than dig the hole deeper. But we both know you won't pay attention to such simple truth, so why bother?)

Posted by: kalorama | February 27, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

"Your right this team is as soft as it's coach"

Whoever post this is 100% correct. Part of a team's character follows the coach's own philosphy. Look at the team that won NBA title and see who there coach are? Jackson, Riley, Brown, Popovich and others. EJ is not in the same level as this guys in terms of coaching ability and "toughness". I know I'm setting myself up to be beaten by the gods here but that is my opinion.

Posted by: Dave, | February 27, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

"Jackson, Riley, Brown, Popovich and others. EJ is not in the same level as this guys in terms of coaching ability

Of course not. And no one in their right mind would say he is. Those are future HOFers, some of the best to ever coach the game. It's hardly a revelation to state that Jordan's not in their league. But neither are the majority of the rest of the coaches in the NBA, including the ones with winning records. Pointing out that Jordan is not as good as the best coaches in the history of the game doesn't even come close to being prima facie evidence that Jordan is a bad coach. There's a pretty wide expanse of space between "not as good as Phil Jackson" and "worst coach in the NBA."

Posted by: kalorama | February 27, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

"All of which has jack-all to do with anything that actually happens on the floor.

Posted by: kalorama | February 27, 2008 04:04 PM "

Apparently it doesn't, but when you have AJ in the lineup, an NBA all star from UNC, who's supposed to be a veteran leader, you expect more than a crippling blowout and excuses that this team shouldn't be prepared for a letdown after a big win.

Posted by: DC Man88 | February 27, 2008 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Dave, your right on!

Kalorama, this is my last comment to your genuis and smart ass comments. Sorry your ego was so hurt by the Caron Odom debate that you feel the need to babble about everything I say now. And it is pure babble at this point!

EDDIE JORDAN'S CAREER WINNING PERCENTAGE IS 44%!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Damn, Joe Gibbs II was not so protected from criticism and he is a HOF coach.

Try making your own points for once!!!!!!

Posted by: Rob P | February 27, 2008 4:40 PM | Report abuse

"The parachute was ballyhooed? You and Dan Steinberg were the only two that I saw reporting it.

Posted by: | February 27, 2008 03:52 PM "

Ok, and Ivan/Mike Lee didn't report about Gilby's exploits at Barry Farms? Oh yeah, and didn't Mike Wise copy his story from last season's Washington Post Magazine and reprint a modified version again right before this season?

Posted by: DC Man88 | February 27, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

"DCMan, Kalorama is going to pick apart anything I post now bc I took him to task for insinuating that Lamar Odom was better than Caron Butler. He'll do the same to you apparently if you agree with me. LOL

Couple points:

We had one all-star playing. Houston had one all-star playing. Houston may or may not be better, but their 13 game win streak included Yao Ming! Much like how we're a better team with Butler.

Kalorama, your brilliant. I never said EJ told them to miss all those shots or whatever dumb comment you made. My point, which I'm sure every other poster in here understood, was that you start substituting players about 6/7 minutes into the first quarter based on the performance of the starters. You don't watch a pathetic performance by your starters and do nothing until there are 50 seconds left in the first. The game was over at that point! Pathetic coaching!

Hey, I did not necessarily expect a win, but I expected something more competitive.

mricklin, nice post. Your right this team is as soft as it's coach. Houston is a "tough" team and it explains why we could not hang. Blatche, Haywood, Jamison has to be the SOFTEST front court in the NBA! I am strongly leaning towards starting McGuire instead of Blatche bc it's not like your missing a ton of offense and you get much better D, rebouding, and toughness. Should start calling them the Washington Cupcakes! lol

Posted by: Rob P | February 27, 2008 03:53 PM "

I agree, while sensationalizing points that I didn't even make (ie. AD, et all are "universally known.").

BTW, who here would fire EJ and hire Darrell Walker from NO? It was surprising to see him on the bench.

Posted by: DC Man88 | February 27, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

DC,

Without even bothering to ask what the fact he went to UNC has to do with anything ...

I don't necessarily disagree with the rest of that. It was a bad, embarrassing loss. But those happen over the course of an 82 game season. And given the current state of the team, this one shouldn't have been nearly the stunning, soul-crushing body blow that all of the hand-wringing and teeth-gnashing around here has made it out to be.

Posted by: kalorama | February 27, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

I remember Ivan writing about Berry Farms, but I don't remember him making a big deal about it. He also wrote at least on the blog and a chat, if not in print, about Caron's off season workout. Specifically about how low his body fat was, what great shape he was in, and how he was going to be great this year. Hoopla & Haywood also got written up. I just don't think that the parachute/Berry Farms was made into a bigger deal than anything else. Gilbert ripping the Celts before the season was ballyhooed.

Posted by: Anonymous | February 27, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

"but their 13 game win streak included Yao Ming!"

And when the Wiz had two all-stars, their best record of the season was 5 games over .500 while playing in a weaker conference. Houston, with Yao, was 17 games over .500 in the toughest conference in the NBA. Any suggestion that Taking Yao out of the equation somehow balanced the scales is nonsense, a fact bourne out by what happened in the game.

Posted by: kalorama | February 27, 2008 4:48 PM | Report abuse

"I agree, while sensationalizing points that I didn't even make (ie. AD, et all are "universally known.")." - DCMan

Exactly!

Posted by: Rob P | February 27, 2008 4:50 PM | Report abuse

We are all virtual GMs and couch coaches here. Everyone's opinion is valid, and everyone's opinion is debatable. Submit what you thinkg, and have others comment on your comment. Unless you're the Catholic pope speaking on dogma, no one is infallible.

Posted by: Anonymous | February 27, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

"Try making your own points for once"

I made my point. My point was, that your incessant baseless, and laughable pretense that you know more about coaching than Eddie Jordan has gone beyond tiresome and tedious into delusional and boorish.

At least I only making a habit of claiming to know more than the other people here. You repeatedly claim to know more than the actual professionals with decades of experience. And you're so incredibly purblind as to be unable to discern the distinction.

"Kalorama, this is my last comment to you..."

Promises, promises ...

Posted by: kalorama | February 27, 2008 4:56 PM | Report abuse

"Try making your own points for once"

I made my point. My point was, that your incessant baseless, and laughable pretense that you know more about coaching than Eddie Jordan has gone beyond tiresome and tedious into delusional and boorish.

At least I only making a habit of claiming to know more than the other people here. You repeatedly claim to know more than the actual professionals with decades of experience. And you're so incredibly purblind as to be unable to discern the distinction.

"Kalorama, this is my last comment to you..."

Promisses, promises ...

Posted by: kalorama | February 27, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

"And when the Wiz had two all-stars, their best record of the season was 5 games over .500 while playing in a weaker conference. Houston, with Yao, was 17 games over .500 in the toughest conference in the NBA. Any suggestion that Taking Yao out of the equation somehow balanced the scales is nonsense, a fact bourne out by what happened in the game." - Kalorama

Thanks for proving my point that EJ is not a great coach and EG should consider replacing him. With two all-stars we were only 5 games over .500 in the leastern conference. I concede Houston is a much tougher and better coached team. Never argued otherwise. Rick Adelman has a career .610 winning percentage. The highest of any coach without a title!

Still does not explain getting plastered by them last night when their all-stars equaled ours!

Posted by: Rob P | February 27, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Wow. Talk about sensationalizing points I didn't even make.

That is, of course, nonsense and an obvious distortion. Not a shock, mind you. Just sating for truth.

Oh, and what happened to not commenting to me anymore. That didn't last long. Damn, and I got my hopes up and everything.

Posted by: kaloram | February 27, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Rob P, I'm not the brightest guy, haven't read or written any coaching books. But I have watched alot and played a little ball over the years.

Just one quick point, if a team dresses less then 10 players, how would a starter not be playing in the 4th quarter?

And you want to fire the coach cause he was playing starters in the 4th in a blowout?

Posted by: GM | February 27, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

BTW, the very idea of DCMan complaining because someone supposedly twisted something he said is beyond laughable.

Posted by: kalorama | February 27, 2008 5:08 PM | Report abuse

""Try making your own points for once"

I made my point. My point was, that your incessant baseless, and laughable pretense that you know more about coaching than Eddie Jordan has gone beyond tiresome and tedious into delusional and boorish.

At least I only making a habit of claiming to know more than the other people here. You repeatedly claim to know more than the actual professionals with decades of experience. And you're so incredibly purblind as to be unable to discern the distinction.

"Kalorama, this is my last comment to you..."

Promisses, promises ..." - Kal

I have every right to analyze and critique this team as you do. What is delusional and boorish is claiming you know more than people who post here! You said it perfectly and it comes across as such!

Let's see, can Ivan critique EJ? Can any reporter do the same? Do they have your permission to do so? Bc last I checked they aren't professional coaches either.

I may not be a coach, but I know what a good one looks like and does and it ain't Eddie. I think he is a great guy and losing coach. Funny how the facts bear me out!

I am going to start posting as Beverly Hills from now on bc I don't want to come across as materialistic or snobbish at all!

Posted by: Rob P | February 27, 2008 5:10 PM | Report abuse

"What is delusional and boorish is claiming you know more than people who post here! "

LOL! So It's wrong for me, a fan whose only experience in the NBA comes from watching games, to think I might know something more than other fans whose only experience in the NBA comes from watching games. But it's perfectly acceptable and reasonable for you, a fan with no experience in the NBA other than watching games, to continually rip the professionals with decades of actual practical experience in the game.

That is, of course, utter nonsense. (And that's not even touching on the obvious fact that everyone who posts an opinion counter to what someone else thinks they know something the person they're disagreeing with doesn't. The only difference is that I don't bother trying to be a hypocrite about it.)

"Let's see, can Ivan critique EJ? Can any reporter do the same? Do they have your permission to do so? Bc last I checked they aren't professional coaches either."

Are you a professional reporter? If so, are you a professional reporter with years of experience reporting on pro sports? If so, are you a reporter with years of experience reporting on NBA hoops? Unless you can answer all of these questions "yes," then what Ivan is qualified to do has jack all to do with you.

There's a difference between analysis and criticism, and ripping guy at every turn like some kind of ingrained Pavlovian response. Analysis and critique are reasoned and considered. There's no reason or consideration in your constant broadsides at Jordan. You're all over the guy, win or lose, regardless of the score. It's pretty clear you 9and many others) have an agenda that has little to no relationship to what actually happens on the floor.

Posted by: kalaoram | February 27, 2008 5:26 PM | Report abuse

"BTW, the very idea of DCMan complaining because someone supposedly twisted something he said is beyond laughable.

Posted by: kalorama | February 27, 2008 05:08 PM "

It takes one to know one!

Posted by: DC Man88 | February 27, 2008 5:30 PM | Report abuse

"DC,

Without even bothering to ask what the fact he went to UNC has to do with anything ...

I don't necessarily disagree with the rest of that. It was a bad, embarrassing loss. But those happen over the course of an 82 game season. And given the current state of the team, this one shouldn't have been nearly the stunning, soul-crushing body blow that all of the hand-wringing and teeth-gnashing around here has made it out to be.

Posted by: kalorama | February 27, 2008 04:45 PM "

Uh, UNC maybe being a major program where both he and VC starred. Not everybody can get into UNC, and then get drafted so high. So, along with that comes high expectations.

Also, right after the NO game, EJ went on record by blowing up DS's feats. Read what he said, and consider how these comments reflect on EJ after his 2-12, 5 pt effort in the Houston game.


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"He's had some ailments but he just comes out every day," Jordan said of Stevenson, who has been playing on a sore knee but has started 223 consecutive games. "He's a warrior, man, a true warrior. His confidence is growing -- he's making threes -- he's just a true pro. This is a man's league and he is man. In the dictionary next to that word there is a picture of DeShawn Stevenson."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/25/AR2008022503221.html

Posted by: DC Man88 | February 27, 2008 5:37 PM | Report abuse

"Let's see, can Ivan critique EJ? Can any reporter do the same? "

And, since you asked, no. A reporters job is to report the facts, not their personal opinions or judgments.

Posted by: kalorama | February 27, 2008 5:37 PM | Report abuse

"Also, right after the NO game, EJ went on record by blowing up DS's feats. Read what he said, and consider how these comments reflect on EJ after his 2-12, 5 pt effort in the Houston game."

Again, and still, it doesn't matter what someone said in the paper or what their Q rating is or what college they went to. None of that has any meaningful bearing once they step onto an NBA court. The fact that Jamison talked up Stevenson after a game means squat going into the next game. The fact that Jamison went to UNC doesn't have any bearing on whether they win or lose.

Posted by: kalorama | February 27, 2008 5:40 PM | Report abuse

EJ should be credited with some of the greatest interview quotes of all time. Just the greatest. Each one making him and his owner. I think EJ and Terry Robiskie have the best quotes coming out of DC:


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"A lot of people want to separate us from Mr. Snyder," Robiskie said. "Mr. Snyder owns the football team. I know that. I promise you there's very few things in the building I'm going to say I want to change without calling him to say I want to change it.

"If I wanted to change my desk, I'm going to call him and say I want to change my desk. If I want to change quarterbacks, I'm going to call him and say, 'What do you think of me changing quarterbacks?' It's his football team. To try to separate it, we're wasting our time."

Snyder was not available for comment. His spokesman, Karl Swanson, said Robiskie "makes all football decisions, just as Norv did. He doesn't need to ask anybody's permission."

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/news/2000/12/06/johnson_snyder_ap/

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"He's had some ailments but he just comes out every day," Jordan said of Stevenson, who has been playing on a sore knee but has started 223 consecutive games. "He's a warrior, man, a true warrior. His confidence is growing -- he's making threes -- he's just a true pro. This is a man's league and he is man. In the dictionary next to that word there is a picture of DeShawn Stevenson."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/25/AR2008022503221.html

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"On a larger scale, Jordan wants to win now. Like any coach who signed a two-year extension with a team option for the third year last summer, the continuity line gets old.

"But I understand Mr. Pollin's standpoint," Jordan said. "We want to stay within a certain budget for the Washington Wizards. We're not going to be like four or five or six other teams that can do anything it takes to win. Those are decisions we made within the organization. It doesn't bother me. There are times when you say, 'How come we can't get this guy?' But then you say, 'These are the parameters the organization has set.' "

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/02/16/AR2007021602210.htm

Posted by: DC Man88 | February 27, 2008 5:43 PM | Report abuse

"Again, and still, it doesn't matter what someone said in the paper or what their Q rating is or what college they went to. None of that has any meaningful bearing once they step onto an NBA court. The fact that Jamison talked up Stevenson after a game means squat going into the next game. The fact that Jamison went to UNC doesn't have any bearing on whether they win or lose.

Posted by: kalorama | February 27, 2008 05:40 PM "

Yeah, you're right. EG really should have no business signing AJ to any type of contract like he has this season. AJ should maybe get 160K, not 16 mil.

Posted by: DC Man88 | February 27, 2008 5:45 PM | Report abuse

"But I understand Mr. Pollin's standpoint," Jordan said. "We want to stay within a certain budget for the Washington Wizards. We're not going to be like four or five or six other teams that can do anything it takes to win. Those are decisions we made within the organization. It doesn't bother me. There are times when you say, 'How come we can't get this guy?' But then you say, 'These are the parameters the organization has set.' "

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/02/16/AR2007021602210.htm

Posted by: DC Man88 | February 27, 2008 05:43 PM

How long are you going to keep dragging out the same old tired crap? That article is over a year old! Yet you keep posting it, like it's yesterday's news.

Posted by: Rook | February 27, 2008 6:01 PM | Report abuse

"EG really should have no business signing AJ to any type of contract like he has this season."

Well, if that's what you're worried about, you can relax. There's not a chance in hell Jamison gets a contract that pays him $16 mill this summer, by Grunfeld or anyone else.

Posted by: kalorama | February 27, 2008 6:05 PM | Report abuse

"There's a pretty wide expanse of space between "not as good as Phil Jackson" and "worst coach in the NBA."

Kalorama - Did I say EJ is the worst coach in the NBA? I just mentioned that he's not as good as the future HOF and you agree....now what's your F problem? I know, I know...you will just say "whatever". The problem with you is you always try to reason out but will just eat your words in the end. LOL

Posted by: Dave | February 27, 2008 6:08 PM | Report abuse

Dave, Dave,, Dave ...

You didn't "just mention it ..." That's utter bull. You said he wasn't as good as Brown, Jackson, et al, in a fairly obvious attempt to make the point that he wasn't a good coach. Which,as I pointed out, doesn't work. Not being as good as Brown, Jackson, or Pop, doesn't make Jordan a bad coach.

"The problem with you is you always try to reason out but will just eat your words in the end. "

I don't take anything in the end. I think you must be projecting.

Posted by: kalorama | February 27, 2008 6:26 PM | Report abuse

Your right Kalorama, I have no right to critique this team or coach in the public Washington Wiz blog. Nor do Michael Wilbon, Tony Kornheiser, Ivan Carter et all have a right as sports writers to critique and give their opinions in sports as they are not professional coaches or athletes. Your so absurd it's comical.

And, if you knew what you were talking about, I post a lot of positives about the coaches and players when warranted. In fact, I was just talking about how well EJ coached the NO's game in the last thread. I nearly fell off the couch when he started Mason and McGuire to start the second half. A nice move that paid dividends. But, as is his career winning percentage, he followed that up with a pathetic coaching job. Of course, your not going to when them all, but the coaching should be a little more consistent.

So, I'm done. This is getting boring. Just post your own thoughts and opinions and stop picking apart others as is your ammo. I am also more likely to say "nice post" or "I agree with you" with most posters in here as opposed to picking others apart

Posted by: Rob P | February 27, 2008 6:46 PM | Report abuse

I sure hope we do well in Chicago, if for no other reason than to dredge the silt from this chat room... which happens every time we take a bad loss.

And did anyone not think Dikembe was going to play an inspired game last night? The man has, as the song says, been waiting for this moment to arrive. He did not sign up for chump change to load up on DNPs.

On the other hand, how does a half-decent NBA team like the Wiz manage to sink to a 23-point half, yikes! I hope today has been a time of introspection and renewal...

Posted by: khrabb | February 27, 2008 6:59 PM | Report abuse

"How long are you going to keep dragging out the same old tired crap? That article is over a year old! Yet you keep posting it, like it's yesterday's news.

Posted by: Rook | February 27, 2008 06:01 PM "

Hmm, maybe when it becomes non-applicable or irrelevant, but that won't happen until Dishonest Abe sells the team.

Posted by: DC Man88 | February 27, 2008 7:05 PM | Report abuse

Khrabb, I agree with you, but with pathetic performances comes criticism. We've had too many DNP's as a team this year. Just had one last week with NY and there have been too many others. Not sure what "dredge the silt" means though...lol.

By the way, I too expected Mutombo to play well, but a 44 year old player should not be dictating the outcome of any game as he did in the first quarter last night. That's just sad! But, good for him!

Posted by: Rob P | February 27, 2008 7:06 PM | Report abuse

Kal, Kal, Kal

"You said he wasn't as good as Brown, Jackson, et al, in a fairly obvious attempt to make the point that he wasn't a good coach."

LOL, so you're saying he's a great coach. Good for you.

Posted by: Dave, | February 27, 2008 7:20 PM | Report abuse

Dave, come on...we all know EJ is a great coach! Besides, your not a professional coach so who are you to critique him. You obviously don't know what you are talking about and you are definitely not as smart as Kal. LOL

Let's just sign EJ up to a 5 year extension now!

Posted by: Rob P | February 27, 2008 7:31 PM | Report abuse

LOL! You actually think that Dishonest Abe would sink that much money into a coach? He won't even pay for a hotel room for Sun Ming Ming! LOL! The only thing Dishonest Abe has bought in the last year was a "much ballyhooed" parachute! LOL!
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"On a larger scale, Jordan wants to win now. Like any coach who signed a two-year extension with a team option for the third year last summer, the continuity line gets old.

"But I understand Mr. Pollin's standpoint," Jordan said. "We want to stay within a certain budget for the Washington Wizards. We're not going to be like four or five or six other teams that can do anything it takes to win. Those are decisions we made within the organization. It doesn't bother me. There are times when you say, 'How come we can't get this guy?' But then you say, 'These are the parameters the organization has set.' "

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/02/16/AR2007021602210.htm

Posted by: Anonymous | February 27, 2008 8:13 PM | Report abuse

Rob P - next time you want to express your own opinion on something please get in touch with Kal first before writing them and see if SHE agrees to it. Did you read the memo? Kalorama is the master of the universe.

Posted by: Dave, | February 27, 2008 8:50 PM | Report abuse

Darth Kalorama
Suffocates with brain power
Join the Darkside Rob

Posted by: Haiku | February 27, 2008 9:05 PM | Report abuse

Village Idiot
Tarheels become great leaders
Just ask Joe Forte

Posted by: Haiku | February 27, 2008 9:08 PM | Report abuse

Kalorama, you the man. I'm a stop by here more often.

Posted by: Pablo | February 27, 2008 9:10 PM | Report abuse

Abe Pollin is cheap
Set up illegal try outs
Sign up Sung Ming Ming

Posted by: Haiku | February 27, 2008 9:11 PM | Report abuse

Eddie Jordan Rules
I win forty four percent
Hall of Fame numbers

Posted by: JSchon | February 27, 2008 9:17 PM | Report abuse

What is a contract?
The Wizards need Coby Karl
Coach him up Eddie

Posted by: Anonymous | February 27, 2008 9:22 PM | Report abuse

"A lot of people want to separate us from Mr. Snyder," Robiskie said. "Mr. Snyder owns the football team. I know that. I promise you there's very few things in the building I'm going to say I want to change without calling him to say I want to change it.

"If I wanted to change my desk, I'm going to call him and say I want to change my desk. If I want to change quarterbacks, I'm going to call him and say, 'What do you think of me changing quarterbacks?' It's his football team. To try to separate it, we're wasting our time."

Snyder was not available for comment. His spokesman, Karl Swanson, said Robiskie "makes all football decisions, just as Norv did. He doesn't need to ask anybody's permission."

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/news/2000/12/06/johnson_snyder_ap/

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"He's had some ailments but he just comes out every day," Jordan said of Stevenson, who has been playing on a sore knee but has started 223 consecutive games. "He's a warrior, man, a true warrior. His confidence is growing -- he's making threes -- he's just a true pro. This is a man's league and he is man. In the dictionary next to that word there is a picture of DeShawn Stevenson."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/25/AR2008022503221.html

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"On a larger scale, Jordan wants to win now. Like any coach who signed a two-year extension with a team option for the third year last summer, the continuity line gets old.

"But I understand Mr. Pollin's standpoint," Jordan said. "We want to stay within a certain budget for the Washington Wizards. We're not going to be like four or five or six other teams that can do anything it takes to win. Those are decisions we made within the organization. It doesn't bother me. There are times when you say, 'How come we can't get this guy?' But then you say, 'These are the parameters the organization has set.' "

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/02/16/AR2007021602210.htm

Posted by: DC Man88 | February 27, 2008 9:34 PM | Report abuse

Coby beat cancer
What has Gilby done lately?
I hate parachutes!

Posted by: Anonymous | February 27, 2008 9:44 PM | Report abuse

"A lot of people want to separate us from Mr. Snyder," Robiskie said. "Mr. Snyder owns the football team. I know that. I promise you there's very few things in the building I'm going to say I want to change without calling him to say I want to change it.

"If I wanted to change my desk, I'm going to call him and say I want to change my desk. If I want to change quarterbacks, I'm going to call him and say, 'What do you think of me changing quarterbacks?' It's his football team. To try to separate it, we're wasting our time."

Snyder was not available for comment. His spokesman, Karl Swanson, said Robiskie "makes all football decisions, just as Norv did. He doesn't need to ask anybody's permission."

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/news/2000/12/06/johnson_snyder_ap/

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"He's had some ailments but he just comes out every day," Jordan said of Stevenson, who has been playing on a sore knee but has started 223 consecutive games. "He's a warrior, man, a true warrior. His confidence is growing -- he's making threes -- he's just a true pro. This is a man's league and he is man. In the dictionary next to that word there is a picture of DeShawn Stevenson."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/25/AR2008022503221.html

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"On a larger scale, Jordan wants to win now. Like any coach who signed a two-year extension with a team option for the third year last summer, the continuity line gets old.

"But I understand Mr. Pollin's standpoint," Jordan said. "We want to stay within a certain budget for the Washington Wizards. We're not going to be like four or five or six other teams that can do anything it takes to win. Those are decisions we made within the organization. It doesn't bother me. There are times when you say, 'How come we can't get this guy?' But then you say, 'These are the parameters the organization has set.' "

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/02/16/AR2007021602210.htm

Posted by: DC Man88 | February 27, 2008 09:34 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | February 27, 2008 9:52 PM | Report abuse

Hah! Ain't no smackdown like a haiku smackdown...

BTW, Wally Szcerbiak (sp.???) is 12-38 with the Cavs. Big Ben averaging 8 & 7 in what I'm sure are very middling minutes. Delonte West had a good game against the Celtics, but did little the first two outings. Joe Smith is doing exactly what he's been doing for years - low-key 12 & 6. The Cavs are 1-2 (beat the Grizzlebees) since the trade. Hmmm.

Great Odin's Beard! Not a Labrum Tear, Caron! A quick net search looks like surgery and four weeks minimum of rehab. Can I get a second opinion?

Posted by: Pauly B. | February 27, 2008 10:36 PM | Report abuse

Dave, I most certainly will do such. I think if they play terrible I will post all the positives and when they play great I will post all the negatives I can come up with. Maybe that will be allowed. Although I don't know what I could say positive about last night? Oh, I know. Go Pecherov!

On a different topic, DCMan has been on the medical staff of this team for a while and I think I am on board now. So, all of sudden Butler has a torn labrum! Was it there before and they missed it? Did letting him play so soon aggravate it or cause the actual tear, which I assume is a much worse injury? Come on...I think Abe has done amazing things in the community including charity and building his own arena, but his cheap approach to the annual activities of the team might have something to do with this. It sure as hell does not appear that he is paying top dollar for a top notch medical team. If he is, time to replace them! Butler, Arenas, Stackhouse, who else am I missing? Webber? Ahhh...Webber whined about everything anyway.

Posted by: Rob P | February 27, 2008 11:00 PM | Report abuse

According to the Medical Website of the Rudolf Nureyev Foundation, (yes, the ballet dancer) hip labral tears are really difficult to diagnose, would require a specific physical test that clues you into the possibility and an MRI that would confirm it. I wonder when Caron had an high-res, non contrast MRI on his hip. Guessing it was this morning.


Posted by: Pauly B. | February 27, 2008 11:23 PM | Report abuse

Torn labrum? Not good
Tore it up at Berry Farms
No more parachutes

Posted by: Haiku | February 27, 2008 11:31 PM | Report abuse

"I am also more likely to say "nice post" or "I agree with you" with most posters in here as opposed to picking others apart"

Aren't you just a sweetheart? I wonder, do you have to turn your head to the side to fit your halo through doorways?

"Nor do Michael Wilbon, Tony Kornheiser, Ivan Carter et all have a right as sports writers to critique and give their opinions in sports as they are not professional coaches or athletes."

Wilbon and Korhneiser are columnists. They're paid to give their opinions. Carter is a beat reporter. He's paid to report facts, not to editorialize or opine or criticize. The fact that you clearly don't know the difference is just another thing about sports you don't get but pretend like you do. And, again, given that you are neither a columnist nor a reporter, what any of those guys are qualified to do or say says a grand total of jack about what you are qualified to do or say.

Posted by: kalorama | February 27, 2008 11:51 PM | Report abuse

And, again, what happened to your vow of silence about responding to me? Seriously, if you keep promising to do things and don't follow through, you're going to get a rep. Nobody likes a tease.

Posted by: kalorama | February 27, 2008 11:54 PM | Report abuse

"Rob P - next time you want to express your own opinion on something please get in touch with Kal first before writing them and see if SHE agrees to it."

Oooohhh. Did everybody catch that? Dave oh so subtly implied that I was a girl! Damn, was that clever, or what? What a rapier-like wit. And such a ripping, withering intellectual dressing down. I'm sure up in heaven, Dorothy Parker weeps tears of envy.

Posted by: kalorama | February 28, 2008 12:09 AM | Report abuse

"Rob P - next time you want to express your own opinion on something please get in touch with Kal first before writing them and see if SHE agrees to it."

Oooohhh. Did everybody catch that? Dave oh so subtly implied that I was a girl! Damn, was that clever, or what? What a rapier-like wit. And such a ripping, withering intellectual dressing down. I'm sure up in heaven, Dorothy Parker weeps tears of envy.

Posted by: kalorama | February 28, 2008 12:11 AM | Report abuse

"Rob P - next time you want to express your own opinion on something please get in touch with Kal first before writing them and see if SHE agrees to it."

Oooohhh. Did everybody catch that? Dave oh so subtly implied that I was a girl! Damn, was that clever, or what? What a rapier-like wit. And such a ripping, withering intellectual dressing down. I'm sure up in heaven, Dorothy Parker weeps tears of envy.

Posted by: kalorama | February 28, 2008 12:11 AM | Report abuse

"Rob P - next time you want to express your own opinion on something please get in touch with Kal first before writing them and see if SHE agrees to it."

Oooohhh. Did everybody catch that? Dave oh so subtly implied that I was a girl! Damn, was that clever, or what? What a rapier-like wit. And such a ripping, withering intellectual dressing down. I'm sure up in heaven, Dorothy Parker weeps tears of envy.

Posted by: kalorama | February 28, 2008 12:11 AM | Report abuse

Kal soooo mad she posted her response four times. So much anger in her. Don't worry Kal you just replaced DC Man as the most hated person here.

Again Kal's reply consist of such beautiful and really well thought of words but if you look in closer there's no content into it. He likes to go on and on debating you on something and foolishly try to escape with his "whatever" comments. LOL

Posted by: Dave, | February 28, 2008 9:33 AM | Report abuse

"Kal soooo mad she posted her response four times. So much anger in her."

Everybody caught that right? He did it again! Damn. It was twice as clever the second time around. You fiendish bastard you.

Hey, maybe I should try typing LOL! at the end of all of my posts. Because that's a sure sign of a well-reasoned argument, right?

Oh, yeah ... lol.

Posted by: kaloram | February 28, 2008 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Again a very nice post coming from Kalorama. So do you want to get back to our discussion or you prefer to just trade insult. I know....."whatever". LOL

Posted by: Dave, | February 28, 2008 11:25 AM | Report abuse

What discussion? You haven't "discussed" anything.

(BTW, you forgot to call me a girl in the last one. I guess all those other time just took too much out of you.)

Posted by: kalorama | February 28, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Oh great, just what I need. I'm talking to someone who is scatterbrain. I don't have time to teach you how to read... LOL

Posted by: Dave, | February 29, 2008 9:54 AM | Report abuse

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