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DeShawn's had enough

Well, it took several seasons but finally a player has emerged who is sick and tired of polishing the statue that has become LeBron James. His name is DeShawn Stevenson and tonight he not only helped the Wizards beat the Cavaliers 101-99, he then added some flame to an already hot rivalry with some choice words for the boy King.

Stevenson, who finished with 13 points, five assists and three steals, engaged in trash talk with James and Damon Jones all night long. At the end of the first quarter, after James missed a layup while he was defended closely by Stevenson, James starting barking in Stevenson's direction. I was sitting at the press table not all that far from James but couldn't make out his exact words because the crowd at the VC was actually loud for once but they weren't friendly.

Stevenson wasn't backing down.

Afterward, he talked about how the Cavs tried to punk the Wizards and how he's tired of it.
"I was just trying to get up under his skin and make him think about me playing, competing and talking trash. I played with Raja Bell in Utah and I take a lot of things from him. He's a great defender. Sometimes you gotta do that with those guys. Those guys play guys that are scared of them all day so sometimes, you gotta get under their skin and talk some trash and tonight, I tried to do that."

On the Cavs attitude: "They beat us two years in a row (in the playoffs) and last year, they gave us a spanking you know, so they have that swagger. When they walk into our gym they feel like they are at home so we have to take that away from them. We've got to stop playing around with them, laughing and joking because we know those guys. We have to take those guys serious."

DeShawn was obviously holding back in that session with reporters around his locker. When he was leaving the building, Mike Lee was chatting him up and mentioned LeBron again. DeShawn has obviously heard enough of that.

"He's overrated," DeShawn told Mike. "And you can say I said that."

Wow. Bet the King won't like that one. Here's hoping that the Wiz manage to jump ahead of Toronto and grab that fifth spot so these teams meet again.

The other story of the night, of course, was Caron Butler who returned to the lineup and finished with 19 points, six rebounds and a steal plus four turnovers in over 41 minutes. Afterward, Butler said he was fatigued in the second half but had no discomfort in the hip. As you may know, he is celebrating his 28th birthday tonight.

Butler clearly gave this team and the crowd a much-needed boost of energy or Eddie Jordan would call it: "Tough Juice." He had some issues defensively as Sasha Pavlovic scored 10 first quarter points on him but his offensive game was solid and generally looked good.

"I've been playing this game for a while now and I know that after a month off, fatigue would set in," Butler said. "I had the momentum in my favor early on, and Coach said I am going to go to you, so attack and be aggressive. I decided that while I was fresh, I was going to be aggressive as possible."

LeBron on the last shot: "I felt good about the shot. I wanted to win. I didn't want to go to overtime. I went for the win. I missed. I'm human."

He also didn't like getting knocked to the ground by Brendan Haywood late in the game. The foul wasn't all that bad but James reacted as if Big Brendan crushed him. He had that scowl he gets and he was looking at the ref like the guy forgot to mow his lawn or something. If you remember, Brendan gave out a similar hard foul in the playoffs during the 2006 series. For a guy who always talks about how he played football in high school, LeBron sure doesn't like contact.

As for the last possession, Eddie elected to not double team LeBron as I suggested he do in my pre-game blog. I asked Eddie about it again after the game and his answer was good: "I wanted to call a timeout and switch places with you," Eddie said.
Me: "I would've doubled him."
Eddie: "You would've doubled him and Damon Jones would've hit a three."

The media room got a kick out of that one but on this night, I have to give it up to Eddie and the Wizards. It worked and they won.



By Ivan Carter  |  March 14, 2008; 12:33 AM ET
 
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Nice job Ivan. And great job DeShawn. This team is a lot tougher than any of the previous versions in recent years. Now if they can all just get home safely from this party tonight, it would be a great bday for Caron. Updates on the party Ivan?

http://caronbutler3.com/?p=61

Posted by: Anonymous | March 14, 2008 1:42 AM | Report abuse

so glad wiz won...lebron needs to be put in his place

Posted by: Anonymous | March 14, 2008 1:47 AM | Report abuse

"He had that scowl he gets and he was looking at the ref like the guy forgot to mow his lawn or something."

Priceless.

Posted by: kalorama | March 14, 2008 1:58 AM | Report abuse

I love that our writers are going after soft leBron also

"For a guy who always talks about how he played football in high school, LeBron sure doesn't like contact."

Posted by: d.c west | March 14, 2008 3:07 AM | Report abuse

nice... very nice. such a good win for the wiz... i am loving DeShawn more and more every game.

great reporting by carter and lee also. that exchange with Eddie jordan about double teaming lebron is priceless. it's encouraging knowing that the coach was right. as a redskins fan, it never really sits well when an outsider's suggestion makes more sense than that of the team's official.

Tough Juice
DeShawn
Antawn "pretty shot" Jamison
Daniels and...
Haywood/Blatche

with gilbert coming off the bench?!?!

are you kidding me?

watch out toronto... the wiz are about to take over yourspot in order for us to meet the cavs in the playoffs.

Posted by: sanscar | March 14, 2008 4:51 AM | Report abuse

i wonder if skip bayless noticed deshawn...

Posted by: sanscar | March 14, 2008 4:53 AM | Report abuse

I was hoping to lay into La Braun as soon I stopped watching that game, but Ivan's done a good enough job as it is. Instead, I will focus on how pathetic TNT's coverage last night:

a) Marv Albert was either drunk or thinking about wearing bra's the whole evening, because he was getting a large percentage of calls wrong. Dude didn't know who was getting fouls and who was scoring.

b) Reggie Miller and Fertello were bickering all god damn night. It was beyond childish, especially for two announcers who suck at being announcers.

c) They make Comcast's production seem professional.

Posted by: alec | March 14, 2008 5:38 AM | Report abuse

I just realized near the end of the game that TNT's coverage of the games with Albert are produced by a childhood friend of mine, Scooter Vertino. I heard Marv thank his production staff and heard his name. There couldnt possibly be 2 Scooter Vertino's in basketball.

He was the point guard on Flint Hill Preps boys basketball team when Dennis Scott was there.

Posted by: JSchon | March 14, 2008 6:21 AM | Report abuse

kudos to deshawn. let lebron know where he stands.

Posted by: thickman | March 14, 2008 6:49 AM | Report abuse

I am glad the Wiz won also because Charles Barkley and his crew totally dismissed and disrespected the Wiz during their broadcast. They did no pregame analysis on this game because "Charles" just knew Lebron and his merrymen would win. He stated the Wiz was only in the 7th seed because the East was so dismal. That guy really gets under my skin. Anyway....Magic took up for the Wiz and had good things to say. Great game boys! I was so glad to see Lebron missed that shot because he just knew he was going to win it! He even told Gilbert he was shooting the game winner. Hah!!! Priceless. You go Stevenson! I hear ya. Loved the Wiz swagger.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 14, 2008 7:39 AM | Report abuse

LOL!

Les BouleS might have to make the PR dude that follows Gilby around do double duty and keep tabs on what DS says too.

Posted by: DC Man88 | March 14, 2008 8:04 AM | Report abuse

It'll be interesting how it goes if Les BouleS actually meet the Cavs in the playoffs. Of course, Les BouleS were missing Gilby last night, but I'm sure the Cavs are anxiously waiting for Danny Gibson and Big Z to get back, along with the new players on the team gelling with Lebron. I'm sure they'll welcome back the battle tested Eric Snow too.

Last night's game was on TNT instead of ESPN, but it was still better than Comcast. Never on Comcast would you have the really good oncourt reporting (Cheryl Miller) and close in sound bites. One gem was a sound bite from AJ talking trash to his teammates about how Damon Jones is too old to have a fro-hawk. Classic.

Posted by: DC Man88 | March 14, 2008 8:19 AM | Report abuse

I agree that Lebron is overrated. I never saw anyone getting away with traveling so much when he goes to the basket. I wonder if anyone whispered in his ear before he missed that last basket. He's good at that.

Posted by: browneri | March 14, 2008 8:19 AM | Report abuse

If you look at the stats, you can see that the Cavs dominated the boards 51-36, with an 18-7 advantage on the offensive boards. But, the Cavs also had 8 more turnovers that can probably be attributed to the new guys on their team. Les BouleS seemed more hungry on D though.

Posted by: DC Man88 | March 14, 2008 8:23 AM | Report abuse

LeBron is NOT overrated. He's one of the best in the game and possible going down as one of the best ever. He's probably the only guy in the league that could average a triple double for a season. That being said, I'm sick of the hype, too. I'm also glad that we have some guys who aren't afraid of him. I agree with DS's attitude but not with his comments. I would love to see us play the Cavs in a series. I think we're better.
Now if we're talking about overrated, let's look south to Dwayne Wade. He travels more than anyone in the league.

Posted by: mark | March 14, 2008 8:30 AM | Report abuse

Ivan, telling it like it is! Testify, brother!

Posted by: Tay | March 14, 2008 8:32 AM | Report abuse

Tru, Lebron is so overrated that he carried the Cavs into the finals last season. If Lebron is overrated, then what does that make of "tru warrior" based on last season's Cavs sweep in the playoffs?

Posted by: DC Man88 | March 14, 2008 8:34 AM | Report abuse

Got to agree with Stevenson, About time James learns to play some good old fashioned basketball. He needs to learn how to dust himself off after a hard foul like Daniels does.

If the guy wants to be "King" of the league he needs to be put to the test like MJ was by the Celtics and the Pistons. Then is he wants to act like the second coming we'd all know he earned it.

In 42 years of watching the NBA I've learned to except the "star" system on foul calls. Don't like it, don't think it's right, but anybody that watches NBA games knows it's there. I've NEVER seen another player get elevated into star status quicker then LaTravel!

The guy simply can not make a move without walking. And last night several times he did the hop and then the step in the lane. But the worst had to be the hop then the step and the charge, but HE went to the line.

Great win, liked the fact that the Wiz played James straight up. He was going for the win, he didn't want to play overtime on a back to back. Stevenson played it well and didn't give him an easy look.

Anybody catch Gil's comments on TNT? Sounds like he's getting real close, and the Doctors had to talk him out of making his debut last night. He's feeling better because it was a big game and he wanted to be out there. Didn't here any fear in his voice when he was talking about playing last night. With no setbacks sounds like he'll be back giving this team some swag real soon.

Butler will take a couple of games to get his wind back, but it sure was good to see Tough Juice back out there. First order of business when Butler and Gil get up to speed is to take some load off of Jamison for awhile. Jordan may even want to find a spot to sit the guy down for a couple of games.

What a warrior, that guy has carried this team, and along with Stevenson and Daniels has set the tone all year long. 32-32 with the injuries to Butler and Arenas is quite a job. This is a stronger and more determined team then I've seen from these guys before.

If they can get healthy the playoffs could be alot of fun around here.

Posted by: GM | March 14, 2008 8:42 AM | Report abuse

I agree...Jamison definitely deserves a couple days rest and it would be foolish not to give it to him after we have made caron and gilbert take their time coming back so as to make sure they are healthy for the playoffs. With Gilbert and Caron back we should be able to start AB instead of jamison and not miss a beat for a couple games... at the least stay around .500

Posted by: Dante | March 14, 2008 8:49 AM | Report abuse

What the heck does it matter whether the game is on TNT, ESPN, or Comcast or even NBA TV (at the same time)? Anyone can choose which station they want to watch. You are not forced to watch Comcast.

Posted by: Spanky | March 14, 2008 8:53 AM | Report abuse

"What the heck does it matter whether the game is on TNT, ESPN, or Comcast or even NBA TV (at the same time)? Anyone can choose which station they want to watch. You are not forced to watch Comcast.

Posted by: Spanky | March 14, 2008 08:53 AM "

Ummm, most games are broadcast on Comcast, in case you didn't notice.

Posted by: DC Man88 | March 14, 2008 8:55 AM | Report abuse

First to the two people who I was highly critical of at the beginning of the season, EJ and Stevenson, great games fella's.........

EJ is coaching his tale off and to decide to guard James one on one was a GREAT coaching move. If he hit the three I could deal with it, but if he passed it off to Fro-Hawk and he hit it I would have been pissed for days. Eddie should be considered for the coach of year award. Can you believe I am saying that? But hey, I have to give credit where credit is due...

Mr. Stevenson should be in the running for the most improved player award this year. What this dude has done is remarkable. I liked what he said when he said " We've got to stop playing around with them, laughing and joking because we know those guys. We have to take those guys serious."

However, Labron is not "overrated" by no means, but I can not stand how he is allowed to get away with walking everytime he drives to the basket. MJ did not even get the amount of calls Labron gets every game. What gives with the officials???


Posted by: Bullets Fever #1 | March 14, 2008 9:07 AM | Report abuse

Moron, of course I meant when the games are broadcast on multiple channels one is not forced to watch Comcast. Not at all shocked that you did not understand that.

Posted by: Spanky | March 14, 2008 9:11 AM | Report abuse

If anything Lebron James is underrated,but Deshawn Stevenson is ghetto trash. Is he still screwing 14 year old girls in hotel rooms?

Posted by: Eric | March 14, 2008 9:12 AM | Report abuse

Great game! It almost had a playoff feel and for once I could hear the crowd at the verizon center cheering the players on! I'm really proud at the way the team played last night. As stated, I hope Antawn finally gets a rest and when the microphone was on him last night, it was clear he was leading the team. They all played well, Deshawn, T.Juice, Antawn, even Nick! Go wiz!

Posted by: Anonymous | March 14, 2008 9:18 AM | Report abuse

The TNT pre-game and halftime show were AWFUL!!!! If you did not know any better you would have thought the 8:00 p.m. game was the Suns vs. Warriors instead of the Wiz and Cav's.

They barely talked about the Wiz game at the beginning or halftime. That was very fustrating to watch because we are not on national tv that much. ESPN does the same thing. They always talk about the game "after" the Wizards game which is usually a Western Conference game.

I like the thought of ESPN or TNT telecasts because Buck with Comcast wears on me with his same old retread stories and sayings. Phil is ok, but he does not say what he wants to say because he has personal ties to the team.

Nothing against Buck, but he needs to change his game up. The best NBA analyst to have watching a game is Hubie Brown number one and then Doug Collins a close second. Listing to them is when you really "learn about the game" if you have not played before.

I might start cutting the sound off on the tv and listening to Dave Johnson and Glen Counsel (spelling??) because Counsel breaks down the game better then Phil and Dave Johnson does not get on my nerves like Buck does.

Posted by: Bullets Fever #1 | March 14, 2008 9:20 AM | Report abuse

Dave Johnson is pretty bad due to his herky jerky delivery. I preferred it back in the day when Michael Adams was on the radio.

Posted by: DC Man88 | March 14, 2008 9:33 AM | Report abuse

"Moron, of course I meant when the games are broadcast on multiple channels one is not forced to watch Comcast. Not at all shocked that you did not understand that.

Posted by: Spanky | March 14, 2008 09:11 AM "

LOL, what I did understand was that your comments were unclear and assumed that people have a choice each game to view an alternative to comcast, moron.

Posted by: DC Man88 | March 14, 2008 9:35 AM | Report abuse

"Mr. Stevenson should be in the running for the most improved player award this year. What this dude has done is remarkable. I liked what he said when he said " We've got to stop playing around with them, laughing and joking because we know those guys. We have to take those guys serious."

Posted by: Bullets Fever #1 | March 14, 2008 09:07 AM "

The most improved on Les BouleS is clearly BTH.

Posted by: DC Man88 | March 14, 2008 9:37 AM | Report abuse

James is a fantastic player, but the way he's protected by the refs sickens me. I think Ivan's "lawnmower" comment is due to that. He gets away with so much in terms of committing fouls that aren't called, travels that aren't called, etc., that when something *is* called on him, he just can't believe it.

His whole facial attitude at times like that is, "DO YOU KNOW WHO I AM?!?" He expects everyone to be loyal subjects of The King, and will brook no betrayal from the peasants -- you know, like calling traveling or charging when he lowers his shoulder into a defender and runs him over.

Interesting decision by Eddie at the end -- it makes sense, but I wonder if some (possibly including myself) would be screaming "How can you not double LeBron!" if he makes that shot. Hard to be an NBA coach.

Posted by: Keithinator | March 14, 2008 9:39 AM | Report abuse

Best shot of the night was Bron Bron's face when DeShawn beat him to the spot and took the (rightful) charge call late in the 4th. Absolutely outstanding perimeter defense. Can't believe the refs had the stones to make the correct call but glad they did.

Posted by: Deefense | March 14, 2008 9:39 AM | Report abuse

Loved everything Stevenson did last night, Caron too. But Haywood was one of the most physical players out there. That dude has made some shift in his attitude, gotten stronger mentally. He's not an all star, whatever, but he's got to be a top 4 or 5 center in the East this year.

Posted by: random dude | March 14, 2008 9:42 AM | Report abuse


I'm glad the Wizards played LeBron more tough in the 2nd Half, esp in the 4th qtr. Because LeBron always acts as though he owns this team and last night the Wizards showed him where he is. Glad Caron came back, he really did look worn down, as mentioned in the paper, in the 2nd half but he'll get back in shape.

I'm also happy the team played more motivated overall. After that lost to Orlando it seemed as if the Wizards were in deep trouble, but this win could be a motivating factor. They'll soon be going on the West coast again and they'll need to be focused on maintaining or moving up in the plaoyff positions.

Well don't have much to say, glad the team played well and I hope they can keep up the good work all the way to the playoffs

Posted by: Robert C. | March 14, 2008 9:50 AM | Report abuse

If anything Lebron James is underrated,but Deshawn Stevenson is ghetto trash. Is he still screwing 14 year old girls in hotel rooms?

Posted by: Eric | March 14, 2008 09:12 AM

Underrated Eric? rofl Please crawl back to the rock you've been living under. CLUELESS.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 14, 2008 9:51 AM | Report abuse

Definitely loved the win lastnight. I was at the bucks game the other night and I think it was even more hype then because they had a special going on where people got lower level seats a lot cheaper. So more enthusiastic fans were down low. But it was a Tuesday night against the Bucks. Not exactly a sellout type of game.

Anyway, I agree with everyone here about the good coaching job, and return of Caron, the steady Antawn "Scoop" Jamison, and Deshawn stepping up. But we can't forget about Nick Young. These last few games you can really tell he has the NBA speed of the game sinking in, because he is looking more and more comfortable.

I used to be nervous if he dribbled too long. Now I look for him to score everytime he has the ball. He can drive, finish, get the foul, or step back and hit the J. I'm impressed. And wow does McGuire show some hops. Marv Albert almost pissed his pants after he saw him grab a rebound lastnight.

Posted by: KJD | March 14, 2008 9:51 AM | Report abuse

I can't give full respect to LeBron's game until he stops being "LeTravel." The Ref Protection System in the NBA is really horrible, and I have to say it is preventing LeT from being the best player he can possibly be. Just take a look at his assist-to-turnover ratio in international play, and you'll see how bad he really is with the ball.

Posted by: DC | March 14, 2008 9:52 AM | Report abuse

I agree with the above poster who says that they disagree with the "star treatment" by the refs, but have come to expect it. At this point, it's part of the game, it may as well be a rule, so you play around it.

LeBron has been dropping shoulders into defenders on his drives since he first stepped onto the court. It's only ever called when his body is at a 45 degree angle and he knocks over Two guys like last night.

There's no doubt that he's a great player. That's my biggest problem with the "star treatment," how great would he be if he had to play by the same set of rules as everyone else?

Posted by: Duffman | March 14, 2008 9:56 AM | Report abuse

I agree that we don't get any respect in the media but that's how the way it is. Until we get some wins CONSISTENTLY then the respect will follow. The analysis of the first game happens BEFORE the tip-off. They usually do the 2nd game analysis on the halftime of the first game since there are not a break between both games.

In my humble opinion, I don't think LBJ is overated. I believe he's 2nd to Kobe in terms of basketball skill. But yes he do travels a lot but thats how it is in the NBA.

As for the game, great win for the Wiz! CB was obviously tired in the 4th quarter. Somebody needs to tell NY that it's okay to pass the ball sometimes. That 1 on 5 fastbreak was just awefull. Even a high school kid will know when to slow it down. Overall I think Cavs are a better match for us than the Magic. I'm a big fan of BH but Superman will eat him alive come playoff time.

Posted by: Fortune Teller | March 14, 2008 10:02 AM | Report abuse

DeShawn played LeBron great last night. But LeBron also had an off night. 3 or 4 of those layups are usually money in the bank for him so whether or not that was Deshawn, I can't say, but he makes those even with better coverage. As for DeShawn saying LeBron is overrated? Come on man! I know we're all sore about Cleveland eliminating us two years in a row but...dude, he's amazing. Everyone knows and all Wizards fans do is make excuses by calling him "LeTravel" or whatever. He's the real deal. I also find it funny that a guy who lost a 3 point shootout to a one-handed Arenas has any room to talk. The only thing he's been known for in the past 5 years is a beard growing competition with Drew Gooden. You don't think LeBron is going to remember this when we see them again, IF we see them again?

Posted by: Damen | March 14, 2008 10:04 AM | Report abuse

Great GAME!!!!!!!Caron showed why he is the MVP of this team he played with great intensity and played hard the whole game.Big ups to Nick the kid ain't scared to "bring it" every game ,Deshawn, finally somebody who's not kissing the feet of KING JAMES "it is on". AJ not real happy with his play last night but for what he's done he gets a pass. Gilbert will be back soon probably on the road trip out west,Andray four fouls in what seemed like four minutes got to be smarter seems like were ready to compete.

Posted by: DARGREGMAG@AOL.COM | March 14, 2008 10:04 AM | Report abuse

I love Stevenson's attitude! Sometimes we all get caught up in the heat of the moment and say questionable things but i think in Deshawn's mind, LJ is not the anionted king. He refused to pay tribute! Bravo!

Defense is a mind set and attitude, 1st and last. From the tip, DS came to play!

Posted by: Janitor | March 14, 2008 10:04 AM | Report abuse

Am I the only one on this board who is praying that we don't meet the cavs in round one. Remember, the playoffs are a different animal than the regular season. The NBA wants to get a LeBron - Celtics second round.

In the playoffs LeBron's charge turns into a blocking foul on DSteve. C'mon, have we really forgotten the 2006 playoffs already?

Posted by: ATLwizFAN | March 14, 2008 10:07 AM | Report abuse

Stevensen has a lot of room to talk after he shot 19% in last year's playoffs. I was happy every time he shot a 20 foot jumper because I knew it had no chance of going in. I'd love to play the Wizards in the playoffs again because Mr. Clutch (LeBron) will come through and Mr. Choke (Arenas) will not.

Posted by: T from C-town | March 14, 2008 10:09 AM | Report abuse

Look, fact of the matter is, we almost blew a 6 point lead with less than a minute left. We came really close to losing that game. It was not a great win, it was a sloppy win that almost turned into a loss. If any of those other Cavs stiffs would have knocked down just one more open jumper, it's game over. So be thankful not proud. And DeShawn, leave the trash talking to Caron, Antawn, or Gilbert...guys who can back it up.

Posted by: Damen | March 14, 2008 10:12 AM | Report abuse

Actually Deshawn Stevenson is just telling the truth.

Lebron is overrated!

He shot a very poor 1-7 3-point last night.

Committed 7 turnovers

Has a 31% 3-point and 71% FT this season.

The reason why he is leading in points it's because he has the ball 95% in every Cavs possession, he is playing more minutes and shooting more than any player.

Posted by: basketball fan | March 14, 2008 10:13 AM | Report abuse

I have the league pass and watch the Wizards occasionally and even I know that the Wiz games are on Comcast and I live no where near D.C The announcers on that station bore the hell out of me and that one guy sounds like a poor mans' Walt Clyde Frazier (most annoying anaylist ever-super big word man). I agree with other posters that D. Stevenson should get the most improved player award this year but that will probably go to Hedo Turkoglu. I also agree that Lebron Hardaway-Hill is highly overrated and is the current NBA "It" boy. And a boy he is in this game. Until he gets a post up game and at least 3 championship rangs (yes I spelled it rangs), I'll nominate Kobe as the king of this league and the best all-around player in the world. I got love for the Wiz and hope they get Agent Zero back soon so they can knock off that stupid look on Latravels' face. P.S I have a Lebron fan at work and I called Lebron Latravell to his face. Dude was pissed. I love that nickname. It fits that guy well.

Posted by: space cadet | March 14, 2008 10:13 AM | Report abuse

Who is Deshawn Stevenson.... isn't he the one guy who has a beard or something? Everytime he is on ESPN they just make fun of him because of how ridiculous he looks and how bad he is. LeBron overrated, do I really have to bring up his list of accomplishments at age 23? Deshawn just score your 10 points a night(maybe) and keep to yourself. You won't be a wizard once your contract is up anyhow and you will be on your.. well however many teams you have been on.

Good idea call out LeBron.. how many times does he have to do in the Wizards? The cavs don't even have their starting center Ilgauskas(best rebounder) and Gibson(best shooter). The Wizards win one REGULAR season game and now Deshawn thinks he is an all-star, calm down son and just pray you don't draw the cavs number in the playoffs! Hey MAYBE if you make it to the second round to see the cavs you can win at least 1 game..maybe?

Posted by: Realist23 | March 14, 2008 10:15 AM | Report abuse

Actually...
That was just one game, Basketballfan. If Kobe has an off night are you going to say he's overrated too? Or what do you say about a guy whose been injured more than he's played in the past two seasons and is lately better known as a blogger than basketball player?

Posted by: Damen | March 14, 2008 10:16 AM | Report abuse

Hey Space Cadet, give LeBron Shaq in his prime and he'd win more than 3 titles. Kobe's got no excuses if the Lakers don't win this year.

LeBron must be overrated since he had 7 turnovers and a bad shooting night. The guy is almost averaging a triple double while leading the league in scoring.

Wizzer fans, can any of you honestly tell me you wouldn't trade Arenas and Butler for LeBron if you could?

Posted by: T from C-town | March 14, 2008 10:17 AM | Report abuse

We got some hurt Clevelavd Fans in here. Just let it go, we'll see each other again. Lose, with class!

Posted by: Janitor | March 14, 2008 10:20 AM | Report abuse

It is good to come to other fans' hangouts and read just how delusional fans of certain teams are.

Listen, I understand you guys are sick of the CAVS and LeBron. But the disrespect from you guys is classic. Last year wasnt a good inicator of the Wizards as a team in the playoffs, because you had too many players out. But the previous year you had EVERYONE.

Be careful what you wish for. HOPING to play the CAVS in the first round and not Orlando may be the dumbest thing I have read in months.

Noone who knows anything about hoops outside of Washington and Detroit agrees with you about that, or about LeBron being overrated.

Hell even some Detroit fans show him respect. They don't like him, but they respect him.

Has he had everything handed to him? Yes.

Is he one of the best players on the planet? Yes.

Posted by: Wood | March 14, 2008 10:21 AM | Report abuse

"Wizzer fans, can any of you honestly tell me you wouldn't trade Arenas and Butler for LeBron if you could?"

I wouldn't.

Posted by: Duffman | March 14, 2008 10:23 AM | Report abuse

I agree with Deshawn in that too many times in the past, some of the Wiz players were a little too chummy with some of the players (Hughes) and then they turned around and whipped our tail. No more of that, we got a game to win! And just because he said Lebron was not all of that doesn't mean he doesn't respect his game he's just saying that we got game too! As I said before, good win.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 14, 2008 10:23 AM | Report abuse

"The reason why he is leading in points it's because he has the ball 95% in every Cavs possession, he is playing more minutes and shooting more than any player.

Posted by: basketball fan | March 14, 2008 10:13 AM "

Uhh, that's also the reason for Gilby's inflated numbers the past two seasons, and Gilby didn't pass nor did he play any D.

Posted by: DC Man88 | March 14, 2008 10:23 AM | Report abuse

"Has he had everything handed to him? Yes.

Is he one of the best players on the planet? Yes."

Do you not see the inherent conflict in these two statements?

How can you say that he's one of the best players on the planet when you admit that he gets preferential treatment from the refs? If he got whistled for traveling and charging alone (not to mention defense) like normal players do, how good would he be?

Who knows? As was previously stated, the only thing we have to go on is international plays, where the refs actually call fouls on everyone when a foul is committed.

Posted by: Duffman | March 14, 2008 10:26 AM | Report abuse

Ivan:
"[B]ut on this night, I have to give it up to Eddie."

Just like every other night.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 14, 2008 10:28 AM | Report abuse

Les BouleS fans might have to go to another source to get a different perspective in determing the truth. In today's reporting/yesterday's interview, Gilby was quoted as saying he wanted to come back against the Cavs, but the doctors won't let him.

In the link below, it says Gilby was sore yesterday after wednesday's practice, and doesn't want to play until he has a FULL WEEK without soreness, but will come back anyway in April sore or not.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080314/SPORTS03/262992500/1005/SPORTS&template=nextpage

Posted by: DC Man88 | March 14, 2008 10:28 AM | Report abuse

I just simply love the toughness the Wiz are demonstrating. I just hope that when Gil gets back, he plays team ball instead of try to win games on his own. He has a tough team who is playing well within the we concept. DeSawhan is looking better. He's decided to play more defense and not back down even from LeBron. That is what every Bron defender needs to have, toughness because that would envigorate the whole team. And what is LeBron crying about? What about the hard foul on Daniels? I also agree, LeBron is OverRated. I would take Kobe over him anytime. LeBron has not proven anything yet. Win a championship first. Cleveland will be out in the first round. Remember what I am telling you.

Posted by: Henry71 | March 14, 2008 10:28 AM | Report abuse

Do you not see the inherent conflict in these two statements?

How can you say that he's one of the best players on the planet when you admit that he gets preferential treatment from the refs? If he got whistled for traveling and charging alone (not to mention defense) like normal players do, how good would he be?

Who knows? As was previously stated, the only thing we have to go on is international plays, where the refs actually call fouls on everyone when a foul is committed.


I was not talking about the refs. I am talking about the media-hype train.

So your argument is that LeBron is only good because you think he gets special treatment?!?!?

If you can't see him as one of the best players in the NBA, I am not sure what to tell you.........

Posted by: Anonymous | March 14, 2008 10:29 AM | Report abuse

Winning is not an entitlement. The past doesn't buy you anything. So they'll play again and we'll see what happens. We certainly know what happened last night.

I'm personally excited to see when Gilbert comes back healthy and stretches the floor for everyone on offense.

Posted by: Janitor | March 14, 2008 10:29 AM | Report abuse

How can you say he gets preferential treatment from the refs after that flop by Beardy when he didn't even have his feet set? LeBron gets clobbered going to the basket and probably could get more calls, but he's so strong that the refs don't think he got fouled because the contact doesn't affect him (unlike another member of the '03 draft class who goes sprawling onto the floor everytime he gets bumped).

Posted by: T from C-town | March 14, 2008 10:29 AM | Report abuse

i don't think any true fan of basketball at this point can say lebron is not the best or 2nd best player in the league. i despise him, root against him, all that, but it's a waste of time pretend he is not great. all props and grudging respect to him.
however, as a wiz fan, i have every right to call him classless (free throw line wisper to gil may have been legal, but bush-league) and bitter about the fact that the refs let him travel his way past us in the playoffs. it was not a questionable travel. it was blatant, and it pisses me off. and now it's his patented move. and it's illegal.
so my deep hatred for him as a player is not lack of respect for his talent.
here ends my why-wiz-hate-lebron rant.

Posted by: random dude | March 14, 2008 10:31 AM | Report abuse

"Uhh, that's also the reason for Gilby's inflated numbers the past two seasons, and Gilby didn't pass nor did he play any D."

I hate to counter your hate with facts, but last year, Gilbert and Lebron had the exact same amount of assists per game, and the year before Lebron had a whopping .6 APG more than Gilbert.

Sorry for the interruption, hate away.

Posted by: Duffman | March 14, 2008 10:32 AM | Report abuse

@all CLE fans

How do you like your trade so far?

LeBron wears a Knick jersey in 2 years.

You better win one soon, your window is closing.

Posted by: JSchon | March 14, 2008 10:34 AM | Report abuse

"I hate to counter your hate with facts, but last year, Gilbert and Lebron had the exact same amount of assists per game, and the year before Lebron had a whopping .6 APG more than Gilbert.

Sorry for the interruption, hate away."


So your PG getting beat in assists by a SF isnt a big deal I guess?

Umm, ok?

Posted by: Wood | March 14, 2008 10:34 AM | Report abuse

Well, Gilbert will be wearing a Clipper jersey next season. A good fit for him since he won't have to worry about making the playoffs and missing clutch free throws.

Posted by: T from C-town | March 14, 2008 10:37 AM | Report abuse

"@all CLE fans

How do you like your trade so far?

LeBron wears a Knick jersey in 2 years.

You better win one soon, your window is closing"

This is the sure fire sign of NBA ignorance. IF LeBron leaves, he won't be going to the Knicks, He will be going to NJ, why the hell would he go to the Knicks?

You know what? Maybe he will come to Washington!!

No, none of you would want him because he is overrated, I forgot.

Posted by: Wood | March 14, 2008 10:37 AM | Report abuse

"I was not talking about the refs. I am talking about the media-hype train.

So your argument is that LeBron is only good because you think he gets special treatment?!?!?

If you can't see him as one of the best players in the NBA, I am not sure what to tell you........."

That's not what I said at all. I acknowledged that he is one of the best players in the game eariler. My point was that because of the "star treatment" by the refs, we will never know exactly *how* good he is. We will only have speculation.

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Please tell me you're kidding. Are you talking about the "flop" that resulted from LeBron leaning so far forward to drive his shoulder into Stevenson, that he almost fell over himself?

Are you really denying that your boy drives his shoulder into anyone who would dare defend him, and never gets called for it except for cases like your "flop" example above?

Posted by: Duffman | March 14, 2008 10:37 AM | Report abuse

I hope Damon Jones falls into a wood chipper, accidentally or not.

He is such a little f@ggot with his fro-hawk.

Posted by: JSchon | March 14, 2008 10:40 AM | Report abuse

So I am readin through Letravel posts all over here (terribly unimaginative BTW), and I am wondering travelling? He doesnt travel all of the time. Then I FINALLY figure it out.

You guys are STILL complaining about the no-call from 2 years ago against Michael freaking Ruffin?!?!

WOW.

I'll give you that he is a bull when he drives and is hard to call blocking/charges on him because he is so big, but travelling?? Let it go.

Here is a little piece of info for you. Tell GA to make his foul shots and we wouldnt even be discussin his travel.

Posted by: Wood | March 14, 2008 10:41 AM | Report abuse

"So your PG getting beat in assists by a SF isnt a big deal I guess?

Umm, ok?"

That's not the point I was responding too. The original poster was making a point that LeBron "passed" while Gilbert did not. I responded with fact that prove this to be less than true.

We can argue the value behind those numbers if you like?

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"He will be going to NJ, why the hell would he go to the Knicks?"

I don't know, why the hell would he go to New Jersey?

Posted by: Duffman | March 14, 2008 10:41 AM | Report abuse

One of Ivan's best posts. Look at what it did to these Cleveland fans!

Posted by: Smith | March 14, 2008 10:46 AM | Report abuse

I think Gilbert is WAY overrated as blogger. I hear he phones his blogs into an assistant! That's almost as atrocious as Lebron's travelling!

Posted by: Nick | March 14, 2008 10:46 AM | Report abuse

"Please tell me you're kidding. Are you talking about the "flop" that resulted from LeBron leaning so far forward to drive his shoulder into Stevenson, that he almost fell over himself?

Are you really denying that your boy drives his shoulder into anyone who would dare defend him, and never gets called for it except for cases like your "flop" example above?"

Stephenson did flop on that play. But he got the call so it doesnt matter.

LeBron "lowers" his shoulder on drives, but not nearly to the degree you would like.

LeBron is hard to call when driving because when he gets a shoulder into his man, he typically has 1/2 step on the guy. so the guy is kind of at his mercy. There just arent many guys who are as big as he is combined with how fast he is.

He gets his share of offensive fouls called on him though.

The key to guarding him is to correctly anticipate which way he is going and get there first so when he hits you, you are squared and take a legit shot.

But he is actually very effective going left so "anticipating" is not so easy.

Posted by: Wood | March 14, 2008 10:47 AM | Report abuse

"I don't know, why the hell would he go to New Jersey?"

Jay Z

If he goes anywhere, (which I doubt) it will be to team up with him.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 14, 2008 10:48 AM | Report abuse

This is the sure fire sign of NBA ignorance. IF LeBron leaves, he won't be going to the Knicks, He will be going to NJ, why the hell would he go to the Knicks?

You know what? Maybe he will come to Washington!!

No, none of you would want him because he is overrated, I forgot.

Posted by: Wood | March 14, 2008 10:37 AM

I've done the research already pal. The Knicks as they stand right now will have 30million to spend on LeBron in 2010. LeBron would love to play in NY and try to bring back that team to prominence.

Instead of calling me ignorant, why dont you find out who you can bring in as a free agent in 2010 with your cash that wont be spent on LeBron.

Posted by: JSchon | March 14, 2008 10:48 AM | Report abuse

"We can argue the value behind those numbers if you like?"

Ok, what do you want to argue about?

Posted by: Wood | March 14, 2008 10:49 AM | Report abuse

Wizards won the game by spreading the scores around, 7 players in double figure. It is also nice to see Songaila regain his shooting touch. For a while, his shooting was awful. Near the end of the game, EJ has him and Haywood playing offense/defense switch, recognizing that Haywood is a better defender.

The negatives for the Wizards were that they gave away too many offense rebounds, and allowed too many 3 pointers. OTOH, Cleveland turned the ball over too many times.

Posted by: Sagaliba | March 14, 2008 10:50 AM | Report abuse

Lebron James is so overrated that the Wizards have to triple team him 90% of the time for the last three years.

Didn't Stevenson shoot 19% as the Washington Gangbangers had The King end their season two years in a row?

Posted by: Wizards = Wining Thugs | March 14, 2008 10:50 AM | Report abuse

Obviously Henry is a moron. you jizz fans have been "predicting" that the Cavs will lose in first round for the last 2 seasons. But it's the sorry ass Wizards who get tossed out in the first round, by Lebron. He's proven THAT.


And for a group of people who think that James is overrated, you're certainly as giddy as little girls about one of your few wins over an "overrated" player.

Posted by: Eric | March 14, 2008 10:51 AM | Report abuse

"I've done the research already pal. The Knicks as they stand right now will have 30million to spend on LeBron in 2010. LeBron would love to play in NY and try to bring back that team to prominence.

Instead of calling me ignorant, why dont you find out who you can bring in as a free agent in 2010 with your cash that wont be spent on LeBron."

Research all you want. NJ can have plenty of cap space too. ANY team that has $30 mill in cap space (even though they will only need 20) is going to SUCK. If One team has the same money as the other, and they both suck, which do you think he would choose? ;)


Will the CAVS have cap space if he leaves? absolutely. What is your point?

Oh, and did you know that the CAVS have over $28 million in cap relief they can offer in trades next year? And then another $24 million in expiring contracts the next year?

The CAVS will be fine.


Posted by: Wood | March 14, 2008 10:54 AM | Report abuse

How can you say he gets preferential treatment from the refs after that flop by Beardy when he didn't even have his feet set? LeBron gets clobbered going to the basket and probably could get more calls, but he's so strong that the refs don't think he got fouled because the contact doesn't affect him (unlike another member of the '03 draft class who goes sprawling onto the floor everytime he gets bumped).

Posted by: T from C-town | March 14, 2008 10:29 AM

T, playing on the ball defense DOES NOT require you to have your feet set to get a charging call - that is what is usually called for when help defense arrives.

When you play on the ball defense, your goal is to get to the spot the offensive player wants to get to BEFORE he gets there - 1. DS absolutely did on that play and 2. La Braun did in fact lower hi shoulder right into the middle of DS' chest which is almost an automatic charge even for any Superstar in the L.

Best you learn the rules of playing defense not spouting nonsense just because La Braun is one of the best (he is) but like he says (he's human) and can make mistakes too (7 TOs last night, etc.)

Sore losers showing no class and showing up on another team's blog to spout BS.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 14, 2008 10:55 AM | Report abuse

Funny a couple of Cleveland Fans come on here thinking they can get our hackles up. Hell we're used to that on here, we get our daily dose of sunshine from 88.

You all head on back to Cleveland where there's still a foot of snow on the ground. That's ok, it covers up all the Forecloser Signs, softens the look of those empty businesses that went bust. Tough times in the midwest.

Enjoy LaBron while you've got him, the kid's on the cover of a woman's magazine this month. How long you think you're going to keep him and the posse happy ruling Cleveland?

He's as good as gone, Ferry's WAY over the Luxury Tax and this cast they've surrounded him with isn't ready for primetime. And David Stern's old sidekick is creating salary cap room for the King and a new Palace too.

A King in Cleveland? Not for long boy's, Manhatten's waiting for royalty.


Posted by: GM | March 14, 2008 10:55 AM | Report abuse

He's not an all star, whatever, but he's got to be a top 4 or 5 center in the East this year.

Posted by: random dude | March 14, 2008 09:42 AM

Haywood only the 4th or 5th best center in the East?

Besides Howard and perhaps Ilgauskas (sp?), who are the other 3?

Posted by: Rook | March 14, 2008 10:55 AM | Report abuse

F**k Lebron. And F**k the Cavs too!! LET'S GET IT!!!

Posted by: Essex | March 14, 2008 10:56 AM | Report abuse

"I hope Damon Jones falls into a wood chipper, accidentally or not.

He is such a little f@ggot with his fro-hawk."

This was actually pretty funny until the gay-bashing. But I digress.

Posted by: Wood | March 14, 2008 10:57 AM | Report abuse

"Funny a couple of Cleveland Fans come on here thinking they can get our hackles up. Hell we're used to that on here, we get our daily dose of sunshine from 88.

You all head on back to Cleveland where there's still a foot of snow on the ground. That's ok, it covers up all the Forecloser Signs, softens the look of those empty businesses that went bust. Tough times in the midwest.

Posted by: GM | March 14, 2008 10:55 AM "

GM, you'd be sold out on Ice Melt and snow shovels by now if you were in cleveland.

Posted by: DC Man88 | March 14, 2008 10:59 AM | Report abuse

Wow, finally someone has stepped up and said what most fans feel about Lebron & D-Wade, Lebron is the MOST hyped & protected player i've seen since MJ, Nice one Deshawn. I mean you breath on Lebron & D-Wade and they get calls, it's just a JOKE.

Posted by: George | March 14, 2008 11:00 AM | Report abuse

Cleveland probably would have won the championship last season had Carlos Boozer not left Danny Ferry at the altar.

Posted by: DC Man88 | March 14, 2008 11:02 AM | Report abuse

"Funny a couple of Cleveland Fans come on here thinking they can get our hackles up. Hell we're used to that on here, we get our daily dose of sunshine from 88.

You all head on back to Cleveland where there's still a foot of snow on the ground. That's ok, it covers up all the Forecloser Signs, softens the look of those empty businesses that went bust. Tough times in the midwest.

Enjoy LaBron while you've got him, the kid's on the cover of a woman's magazine this month. How long you think you're going to keep him and the posse happy ruling Cleveland?

He's as good as gone, Ferry's WAY over the Luxury Tax and this cast they've surrounded him with isn't ready for primetime. And David Stern's old sidekick is creating salary cap room for the King and a new Palace too.

A King in Cleveland? Not for long boy's, Manhatten's waiting for royalty"

Meh, typical real life ignorance somehow attempting to be paralleled to the NBA somehow.

Guess what, our "foreclosure rates" along with many other states are going to effect to economy in your "lovely" city also.

Laugh while you can I suppose.

If LeBron leaves, will it suck? of course. But I did have the ability to watch one of the best players in years play 82 times a year, and I reckon I will still be able to catch him on national TV alot on his new team.

And guess what, I will still be proud of him because he is an Ohio boy, born and raised, just like me.

There is something to that IMO.

Posted by: Wood | March 14, 2008 11:02 AM | Report abuse

Wizards is back to .500! A message to Barkly, forget about East-West, if you just count the top 16 teams of the league, Wizards will still be in the playoff!

Wizards is a bona fide playoff team, even without its top scorer for majority of the season!

Posted by: Sagaliba | March 14, 2008 11:03 AM | Report abuse

ok rook - no one else other than he 2 you mentioned comes to mind as better centers than Haywood. i just have a hard time typing that Haywood could be top 3 in the east this year. Bogut? maybe? is 'sheed a center these days? not sure. but i loved seeing him knock LBJ down - no trash talk, just a hard old-fashioned NBA foul. That bodes well for post-season.

Posted by: random dude | March 14, 2008 11:03 AM | Report abuse

So I am readin through Letravel posts all over here (terribly unimaginative BTW), and I am wondering travelling? He doesnt travel all of the time. Then I FINALLY figure it out.

You guys are STILL complaining about the no-call from 2 years ago against Michael freaking Ruffin?!?!

WOW.

I'll give you that he is a bull when he drives and is hard to call blocking/charges on him because he is so big, but travelling?? Let it go.

Here is a little piece of info for you. Tell GA to make his foul shots and we wouldnt even be discussin his travel.

Posted by: Wood | March 14, 2008 10:41 AM

Wow, let it go huh? GA missing his foul shots? Wasn't that also 2 or 3 years ago? lol

Sore losers all, that's what Clevaland has going for it.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 14, 2008 11:03 AM | Report abuse

"Cleveland probably would have won the championship last season had Carlos Boozer not left Danny Ferry at the altar."

Jim Paxson was the GM of the CAVS when Boozer left, not Danny Ferry.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 14, 2008 11:04 AM | Report abuse

LeBron is a great player. Gilbert is great also, he is not LeBron though. As far as getting preferential treatment by refs, I call that cheating. The refs cheat for LeBron because it is league mandated. Gilbert does not get that treatment. Both players draw fouls, they are great players. If everybody played on an even playing field, LeBron and Gil would still be great. As far as being overrated, LeBron is not, but the Cavs are. Case in point, you hear way more coming from the media about how the Cavs swept the Wiz last year. You hear very little about Gil and Caron being out for the playoffs. That does not mean the wiz would have won the series, but the media plays up the sweep. Overrated

Posted by: G-Man | March 14, 2008 11:05 AM | Report abuse

it is possible to be both favored by refs, over-hyped and still the best player in the league. such is Lebron. Just please, start calling that double-hop as traveling. i'm sure even players i root for do it too - it's just bad for the game.

Posted by: random dude | March 14, 2008 11:06 AM | Report abuse

"Wow, let it go huh? GA missing his foul shots? Wasn't that also 2 or 3 years ago? lol

Sore losers all, that's what Clevaland has going for it."

We won, what is there to let go? How does winning, make me a "sore loser"?

It is going downhill fast folks.

Posted by: Wood | March 14, 2008 11:06 AM | Report abuse

LeBron isn't overrated, just overprotected by the refs. He never gets called for traveling which he does on every drive and gets away with constant hacking/holding on defense. The block foul on AB when he was steamrolled by King James was pathetic....they did call a couple of offensive fouls on him in the second half when he ran over AJ and pushed off on Stevenson in the 4th quarter. Way to hang tough DeShawn!!! No way the Wiz win without Tough Juice on the court.

Posted by: wizfan89 | March 14, 2008 11:07 AM | Report abuse

The Jordan Rules obviously applied last night. So tired of the calls King James receives and the bandwagon Cavs fans. I was at the game and did anyone else catch that punk Damon Jones give the "I can't feel my face" to DeShawn after he hit some meaningless jump shot? Great win and I love the bad blood.

Posted by: benzotim | March 14, 2008 11:11 AM | Report abuse

88, Thanks for the concern about my business, we transfered our surplus out to stores there last week.

To the guy from Cleveland crowing about all of the cap releif they can offer in trades. Translation: Ferry has accumulated alot of old bodies with big contracts.

If LaBron walks, and by the way the Knicks and the Nets are BOTH gearing up for his opt out. You guys will be back to watching ping pong balls in June and hoping for the best while he's tooling around Manhatten with the Posse!

Posted by: GM | March 14, 2008 11:14 AM | Report abuse

"The Jordan Rules obviously applied last night. So tired of the calls King James receives and the bandwagon Cavs fans. I was at the game and did anyone else catch that punk Damon Jones give the "I can't feel my face" to DeShawn after he hit some meaningless jump shot? Great win and I love the bad blood."

CAVS fan since 88' here.

Damon Jones is a punk for doing that which was alot different than Stephenson doing his lame "3 in-the-hand" pose I suppose?

Gotta love the double standard.

Posted by: Wood | March 14, 2008 11:14 AM | Report abuse

"So your PG getting beat in assists by a SF isnt a big deal I guess?

Umm, ok?"

Wood, when was the last game that a Cleveland PG had more assists then Lebron?

Your SF has more then twice the amount of Assists Per Game then anyone else on your team.

"Be careful what you wish for. HOPING to play the CAVS in the first round and not Orlando may be the dumbest thing I have read in months."

Cavs are probably better then Orlando. The writer just thought it would be interesting because of all of the trash talk and bad blood between the two teams.

Posted by: Axe | March 14, 2008 11:14 AM | Report abuse

@all CLE fans here in our blog

We are some of the most hardened bloggers around. We are the most critical bunch of idiots on the planet. We have said everything about the WIZ you can imagine. We have fired the coach, the GM and traded Gilbert to the Trailblazers for Jarrett Jack a million times.

We dont care about you and your rants, it doesnt bother us. You have our number in the play-offs, no doubt. The only way to change that is to beat your @sses. Go back join your own kind.

Posted by: JSchon | March 14, 2008 11:15 AM | Report abuse

"88, Thanks for the concern about my business, we transfered our surplus out to stores there last week.

To the guy from Cleveland crowing about all of the cap releif they can offer in trades. Translation: Ferry has accumulated alot of old bodies with big contracts.

If LaBron walks, and by the way the Knicks and the Nets are BOTH gearing up for his opt out. You guys will be back to watching ping pong balls in June and hoping for the best while he's tooling around Manhatten with the Posse!"

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Meh, I have already posted my feelings about LeBron possibly leaving. *shrug*

I will still be a CAVS fan.

Oh and how Ferry got the cap relief is irrelevant, $28 mill next year, and $24 mill the next. Beautiful.

Oh and as long as LeBron is a CAV, old overpriced players will be all that is needed to beat the Washinton Wizards in the playoffs.

Posted by: Wood | March 14, 2008 11:17 AM | Report abuse

i just have a hard time typing that Haywood could be top 3 in the east this year.
Posted by: random dude | March 14, 2008 11:03 AM

Yeah - kinda hard to say.... but after thinking about it... not too hard to put together an argument.

Bogut (13 ppg, 9 rpg), perhaps.... but he plays 34-35 minutes a game - while Haywood is at 28 mpg... Give Haywood the same number of minutes and his production would probably be similar. I still think Wood's game is better. Especially at the defensive end.

Posted by: Rook | March 14, 2008 11:18 AM | Report abuse

"Damon Jones is a punk for doing that which was alot different than Stephenson doing his lame "3 in-the-hand" pose I suppose?"

No, he's a punk for doing the throat-slit gesture like he'd killed the Wiz, when his team ended up losing. (And let's not even get started on that mohawk nonsense.)

Posted by: kalorama | March 14, 2008 11:22 AM | Report abuse

Cavs beat a hurt team last year in the playoffs. BTW none of the wins were blowouts like they should've been. We triple team LeTravel bc he controls the ball mostly...the Cavs as a team suck. Take LeBron off your team and you guys are awful!!!! You went 0-5 without him earlier this year. We were missing 2 all-stars throughout the season and have played admirable ball. LeBron is a crybaby and AD is a much bigger man than he is. AD slams harder, gets back up and shoots, while Lebron gets all lemon-faced like he deserves something. The guy is the face of the NBA and is favored over everyone, he has enough. Time for us wiz kids to get some respect!!

Posted by: Burg w/ a U | March 14, 2008 11:23 AM | Report abuse

Yeah Wood... You probably forgot that we had so many weak players back then... Jeffries, B Thomas, Ruffin, Taylor, Booth...

This year we have Blatche, Mason, Young & McGuire, who are already better than our bench of 2 years ago... Stevenson is better than Jeffries, plus he's the Locksmith (Ask Lebron), Jamison, Butler & Haywood having career years...

And I havent even begun about Arenas, who was (of the dome) the 3rd best scorer in the league last year and much better then he was 2 years ago...

You might be the one all suprised when (not if) we meet up with the Cavs...

Posted by: Skillz | March 14, 2008 11:23 AM | Report abuse

"Wood, when was the last game that a Cleveland PG had more assists then Lebron?"

It has probably been over a year since one of our suck-ass PGs has had more assists than LJ.

"Your SF has more then twice the amount of Assists Per Game then anyone else on your team."

I believe LJ is 8th in the league in assists (at any position).

"Cavs are probably better then Orlando. The writer just thought it would be interesting because of all of the trash talk and bad blood between the two teams."

I didn't say it wouldnt be interesting, I said it is foolish to wish it if you are a Wiz fan.

To get to the point you are getting at. LJ doesnt have Butler or Jamison on his team. If he did, how many assists do you think he would get? More or less than he currently gets?

If Arenas initiates 90% of the offense, he should get more assists than he does with the teammates he has.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 14, 2008 11:24 AM | Report abuse

Funny a couple of Cleveland Fans come on here thinking they can get our hackles up. Hell we're used to that on here, we get our daily dose of sunshine from 88.

Posted by: GM | March 14, 2008 10:55 AM

LOL - I was thinking the EXACT same thing.. Funny..

As for LeBron James - I do think he's one of the two best players in the league (Kobe is still # 1 in my mind). But the blatant way he gets away with traveling, charges, and non-calls on Defense stick in my craw. And YES, perhaps I'm still sore about the playoffs two years ago (the Travel, and the low-class free throw incident)... But, I'd like nothing better than to see Arenas come back, the Wizards overtake Toronto - and face Cleveland in the Playoffs.

I think the Wizards need to get that monkey off their backs... and I really believe that the team with a healthy Arenas, healthy Butler, a rested Jamison, along with a much stronger bench, could oust James and his cast of nobodies in the first round. Give em a taste of what it's like to take an early vacation.

Besides, I think we match up better against Cleveland rather than Orlando.

Posted by: Rook | March 14, 2008 11:25 AM | Report abuse

"No, he's a punk for doing the throat-slit gesture like he'd killed the Wiz, when his team ended up losing. (And let's not even get started on that mohawk nonsense.)"

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The throat slit was bush, I agree.


If the CAVS had won Stephenson would have looked just as dumb with his "3 in the hand" gestures. But the CAVS lost so........

Posted by: Wood | March 14, 2008 11:26 AM | Report abuse

ok - all hostility aside - Wood and other Cleveland fans on here today - what do you think of the big trade? when i saw it i couldn't help thinking that neither Chicago or Cleveland got much better. I can't say that the team you'll bring in to the playoffs this year is any better than last year - and losing Gooden hurts you all a lot - who else can score in the post for you? Big Z and Gooden together was tough for the Wiz and others to handle. Now? Big Z (health always a question) and who? Wallace? J. Smith? don't see the upgrade.
Wally can shoot, but is he any better than Damon Jones, a guy already on the roster?
What's the Cleveland take on this?

Posted by: random dude | March 14, 2008 11:28 AM | Report abuse

DeShawn Stevenson had a good game last night. However, he has very little room to talk. He's been a bust after coming out of high school. He's just beginning to contribute something to a team but his career has not lived up to the hype he received before he was drafted.

Let's look at this, Lebron James is an MVP candidate...DeShawn Stevenson's name is barely recognizable. I'd rather be in MVP discussion than be someone who is not rated at all. Overrated vs. Unrated?

LeBron has exceeded expectations already and he's still 23. He has a lot to learn. That's the scary thing. Stevenson's been in the league a while and is just now catching on...

DeShawn is mad because Lebron is everything he wanted to be but he never lived up to his build.

Posted by: funny | March 14, 2008 11:29 AM | Report abuse

It's taken 2 years, but we've finally got the right attitude for taking on Bron Bron. Get in his face, show him no respect, foul him hard, and let the rest of those clowns try and beat us.

We'll kick their a$$ when we get Gilbert and Caron back and at full strength.

Posted by: About Time | March 14, 2008 11:30 AM | Report abuse

"Cleveland probably would have won the championship last season had Carlos Boozer not left Danny Ferry at the altar."

Jim Paxson was the GM of the CAVS when Boozer left, not Danny Ferry.

Posted by: | March 14, 2008 11:04 AM

Anon - you must be new to the blog. 88'er rarely every posts anything close to a "fact". His posts are merely for entertainment purposes only - no relation to truth or reality should be obtained from them.

As GM says, if you turn off your brain while reading 88'er posts, you'll understand them a lot better.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 14, 2008 11:31 AM | Report abuse

We are some of the most hardened bloggers around. We are the most critical bunch of idiots on the planet. We have said everything about the WIZ you can imagine. We have fired the coach, the GM and traded Gilbert to the Trailblazers for Jarrett Jack a million times.

We dont care about you and your rants, it doesnt bother us. You have our number in the play-offs, no doubt. The only way to change that is to beat your @sses. Go back join your own kind.

Posted by: JSchon | March 14, 2008 11:15 AM

Well said JSchon...

Actually, compared to our own guys, these Cleveland bloggers are weak!

Posted by: Rook | March 14, 2008 11:34 AM | Report abuse

"Yeah Wood... You probably forgot that we had so many weak players back then... Jeffries, B Thomas, Ruffin, Taylor, Booth...

This year we have Blatche, Mason, Young & McGuire, who are already better than our bench of 2 years ago... Stevenson is better than Jeffries, plus he's the Locksmith (Ask Lebron), Jamison, Butler & Haywood having career years...

And I havent even begun about Arenas, who was (of the dome) the 3rd best scorer in the league last year and much better then he was 2 years ago...

You might be the one all suprised when (not if) we meet up with the Cavs..."

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I agree your team is probably a bit deeper than 2 years ago.

When I think about matching up against the Wiz in the playoffs this year I think

1. Arenas will still not be 100%
2. Jamison is going to wear down from carrying the team this year. (which is why he is having a career year)
3. I have no idea when Butler will actually be 100% again. (I suspect none of us will)
4. The CAVS need to play with the new guys more.
5. The Wiz just don't have the front-court depth to match up if Z and Wallce are healthy.
6. The CAVS also have a much better supporting cast than 2 years ago.

Would it be a sweep? No way. My prediction (speculation) would be CAVS in 6 again.

Posted by: Wood | March 14, 2008 11:34 AM | Report abuse

@funny...

Not everyone who enters the draft is touted as the next great thing. In fact, the hype that followed LeBron has never been seen before in all of basketball history. Not MJ, not Kobe not anyone, including DeShawn Stevenson.

No one expected DeShawn to come into the league and lead his team to the promise land.

Whats actually funny, is that you made that comparison. Who are you going to compare next? Peyton Manning and Kyle Boller?

Posted by: JSchon | March 14, 2008 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Wiz fans can stop calling Lebrobn soft....after they beat him in a playoff series.

Posted by: drewrob | March 14, 2008 11:38 AM | Report abuse

I completely agree with Deshawn's mindset. You don't have to be an All-Star to stand up to someone. He never said he was great. He never said a word about himself. All he did was take it onto himself to re-claim their home court starting before the ball was tipped off. Others guys feed off of that.

There is no rule that you have to be an All-Star to be allowed to talk trash. Damon Jones is still talking about a series 2 years ago for just one example. When you talk and win you look good. When you talk and lose you look like an old man more concerned with his appearance than his game.

Everyone focused on Lebron 'gettig them to the finals'. Therefore any one player could do the same. Idiots. The Cavs went as far as they did in the playoffs because they played some of the best team defense east of San Antonio. They are going to have trouble doing that with WallyZ on the court. Which is why he played 12 minutes last night.

I disagree that Lebron is overrated. He's over hyped and over exposed but he's still one of the top talents in the world. But for one night Deshawn earned the right to say something like that, once.

Posted by: Monte | March 14, 2008 11:39 AM | Report abuse

The throat slit was bush, I agree.

Posted by: Wood | March 14, 2008 11:26 AM


Never back down Wood.... shows weakness. The guys on this blog smell weakness, and go for the throat.

Posted by: Rook | March 14, 2008 11:39 AM | Report abuse

It's funny that this invasion of bitter Clevelanders seems to making us respect DCMan more. DCMan is a jerk, but he does have interesting things to say and says them in a provocative way. He makes these Cleveland losers look like they're not even trying.

Posted by: Smith | March 14, 2008 11:40 AM | Report abuse

"ok - all hostility aside - Wood and other Cleveland fans on here today - what do you think of the big trade? when i saw it i couldn't help thinking that neither Chicago or Cleveland got much better. I can't say that the team you'll bring in to the playoffs this year is any better than last year - and losing Gooden hurts you all a lot - who else can score in the post for you? Big Z and Gooden together was tough for the Wiz and others to handle. Now? Big Z (health always a question) and who? Wallace? J. Smith? don't see the upgrade.
Wally can shoot, but is he any better than Damon Jones, a guy already on the roster?
What's the Cleveland take on this?"

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IMO it was a lateral move, with a SLIGHT improvement.

Watching Gooden make stupid mistakes over and over and over was horrible for the last few years. Also watching Hughes shoot a "consistent" 30% from the floor at the "SG" position was just as bad (when he wasnt injured)

We got a slight upgrade at PG. Tougher on the interior. Lost some interior scoring.

Joe Smith has been a pleasant surprise.

Very tough big man rotation we have now Andy, Z, Wallace, and Joe Smith.

If Wally get his shot back (who knows) we will have 3 EXCELLENT 3 point shooters. (Gibson, Jones, Wally)

Time will tell, but either way we have ALOT we can trade away by next Feb.

Posted by: Wood | March 14, 2008 11:41 AM | Report abuse

for F sake, DCman please remove your mouth from the Cavs privates. I've never seen anyone make more excuses for the opposing team than you. It'd be funny if it wasn't so pathetic.

Posted by: Monte | March 14, 2008 11:44 AM | Report abuse

"Never back down Wood.... shows weakness. The guys on this blog smell weakness, and go for the throat."

Let them "go for my throat" so far, I am very underwhelmed.

A couple seem to have a clue, a large majority seem to be "ZOMG HAHA LJ SUCKS WIZ R BETTER THAN CAVS CLEVELAND SUCKS!!!!!!!!

Doesnt the Washington fan base have more to offer?

Posted by: Wood | March 14, 2008 11:46 AM | Report abuse

"for F sake, DCman please remove your mouth from the Cavs privates. I've never seen anyone make more excuses for the opposing team than you. It'd be funny if it wasn't so pathetic.

Posted by: Monte | March 14, 2008 11:44 AM "

I think you've mistaken me for your mom. And it's not the Cavs, it's your neighbor's dog.

Posted by: DC Man88 | March 14, 2008 11:47 AM | Report abuse

LeBron ain't overrated, but I am glad DeShawn Stevenson said he was. I am glad Brendan Haywood gave him a bump. I am glad the refs had the guts to get the charge call right and I am glad the Wizards are tired of lying back and taking it from the Cavs.
If the Wizards want to get anywhere, they have to face their fears and overcome them. That means defeating the Cavaliers in the playoffs, so yes I hope the Wizards get to the five seed and get a chance to pay the Cavs back.
And another correction for some of you Cavs fans, there wasn't one person in this blog that thought the Wizards had a chance in the series last year. That is just dumb for you to think that. And yes I am still bitter about "8 steps on the baseline LeBron" in game five (I drove from Richmond and was at that game) and LeBron whispering in Gilbert's ear. The hard foul LeBron took last night doesn't begin to pay that back!
And for God sakes don't defend Damon Jones. He was a punk ass in Miami, he is a punk ass now and he will always be a punk ass.

Posted by: George Templeton | March 14, 2008 11:48 AM | Report abuse

"It's funny that this invasion of bitter Clevelanders seems to making us respect DCMan more. DCMan is a jerk, but he does have interesting things to say and says them in a provocative way. He makes these Cleveland losers look like they're not even trying.

Posted by: Smith | March 14, 2008 11:40 AM"

Smith, you are FREAKIN' KIDDING, right?

Posted by: Lisa_R | March 14, 2008 11:48 AM | Report abuse

"Never back down Wood.... shows weakness. The guys on this blog smell weakness, and go for the throat."

Let them "go for my throat" so far, I am very underwhelmed.

A couple seem to have a clue, a large majority seem to be "ZOMG HAHA LJ SUCKS WIZ R BETTER THAN CAVS CLEVELAND SUCKS!!!!!!!!

Doesnt the Washington fan base have more to offer?

Posted by: Wood | March 14, 2008 11:46 AM


I think you've mistaken me for your mom. And it's not the Cavs, it's your neighbor's dog.

Posted by: DC Man88 | March 14, 2008 11:47 AM


Doesnt the Washington fan base have more to offer? - Um, no... apparently not.

Posted by: Rook | March 14, 2008 11:49 AM | Report abuse

A large majority? Really? Come on, dude, there's plenty to criticize here, but you're way off.

Posted by: Smith | March 14, 2008 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Way to piss of LeBron. I hope the wiz meet the Cavs in the playoffs.

Posted by: Asim | March 14, 2008 11:50 AM | Report abuse

"Anon - you must be new to the blog. 88'er rarely every posts anything close to a "fact". His posts are merely for entertainment purposes only - no relation to truth or reality should be obtained from them.

As GM says, if you turn off your brain while reading 88'er posts, you'll understand them a lot better.

Posted by: | March 14, 2008 11:31 AM "

Whether it's Paxon, Ferry, or Jerry West, Les Cavs would have been better with Boozer, but Boozer changed his mind, which was his right tho.

Posted by: DC Man88 | March 14, 2008 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Anybody else notice that Nick Young is sweet....

that behind the back falling down basket was ridiculous..too bad they called it back, bastards

Posted by: The BigC from DC | March 14, 2008 11:52 AM | Report abuse

The big issue for Cleveland is who are they going to have on the floor down the stretch of a close game -- getting Big Z back will certainly help. Last night with Big Ben and Devin Brown on the floor wit Sasha, LeBron and Damon/West, the Cavs were playing offense 4 on 5. Ben Wallace is a huge detriment. The guy is useless down the stretch -- he may grab an offensive rebound but if he does not, you have a number of possessions where your best player has to beat 2 defenders just to get a look. The other team will gladly take its chances with Big Ben shooting and making free throws. I still don't get the trade -- but Cleveland will be a factor because of LeBron. I loved the Wiz fan behind the scorer's table that was giving it to Damon Jones -- it was awesome to watch. Damon Jones has a BIG Mouth for his D-League talent. The guy has one skill -- shooting open 3-pointers and he is not even very consistent doing that.

Posted by: Chad | March 14, 2008 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Wood - I mean, let's face it. I've been on your blog (I mean the Cleveland Cavalier's blog).. They talk basketball there! Hardly ever really disrespect the team or players. Most of the postings are cordial. Lots of LeBron is great posts. Boring. Uninformative. Unimaginative.

You should stick around on this blog. Talk about exciting!

Posted by: Rook | March 14, 2008 11:54 AM | Report abuse

"LeBron isn't overrated, just overprotected by the refs. He never gets called for traveling which he does on every drive and gets away with constant hacking/holding on defense. The block foul on AB when he was steamrolled by King James was pathetic....they did call a couple of offensive fouls on him in the second half when he ran over AJ and pushed off on Stevenson in the 4th quarter. Way to hang tough DeShawn!!! No way the Wiz win without Tough Juice on the court.

Posted by: wizfan89 | March 14, 2008 11:07 AM "

Can't blame the refs, go blame David Stern. If Stern lost his cash cow to injury during the playoffs, you'll be able to hear a loud baby wail coming from Manhattan.

Stern needs to see Kobe vs. Lebron in the finals.

Posted by: DC Man88 | March 14, 2008 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Nope, I asked her and she said she went over to the neighbor's but you were already there taking it on the lawn. Something else about you mumbling "les boules, red rocket! Les Boules, red rocket!".

Posted by: Monte | March 14, 2008 11:56 AM | Report abuse

"Smith, you are FREAKIN' KIDDING, right?

Posted by: Lisa_R | March 14, 2008 11:48 AM "

The only kidding was last night when the bouncer at Caron's party was laughing when he told Lisa to get her and her weave-do the heck out of the line. No old broads allowed.

Posted by: DC Man88 | March 14, 2008 11:57 AM | Report abuse

"Nope, I asked her and she said she went over to the neighbor's but you were already there taking it on the lawn. Something else about you mumbling "les boules, red rocket! Les Boules, red rocket!".

Posted by: Monte | March 14, 2008 11:56 AM "

Blah blah blah...

Almost as funny as your mom's fascination with organic snicker bars.

Posted by: DC Man88 | March 14, 2008 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Nope, I asked her and she said she went over to the neighbor's but you were already there taking it on the lawn. Something else about you mumbling "les boules, red rocket! Les Boules, red rocket!".

Posted by: Monte | March 14, 2008 11:56 AM

Wood - see what I mean?

Posted by: Rook | March 14, 2008 11:58 AM | Report abuse

I try to defend DCMan and he says something completely juvenile and asinine to prove me wrong. Sorry.

Posted by: Smith | March 14, 2008 11:59 AM | Report abuse

Good to see you're not denying it. Its important to get past that stage in rehab.

Posted by: Monte | March 14, 2008 12:02 PM | Report abuse

"Wood - I mean, let's face it. I've been on your blog (I mean the Cleveland Cavalier's blog).. They talk basketball there! Hardly ever really disrespect the team or players. Most of the postings are cordial. Lots of LeBron is great posts. Boring. Uninformative. Unimaginative.

You should stick around on this blog. Talk about exciting!"

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Yeah there are plenty of turds there. No doubt. But at least when you sift through the garbage there are a decent number of posters who actually "know the game" and have been watching ball for years.

For every "LJ will never stay in your suck-ass town" there is a "LJ will never leave!".

But how does this apply to the CAVS vs. the Wizards for the past 3 years?

Maybe this is a bad sample and I just havent looked around enough, but this is brutal.

Posted by: Wood | March 14, 2008 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Face it Wood, LeBron's endorsements and cachet go way up if he plays in New York. LeBron will look at the rest of the team in the summer of 2010 and see that a championship is a long shot at best.
LeBron will head to the Nets in 2010 because A. They will be moving or close to moving to Brooklyn by then and B. Rod Thorn has proven knowledgable in getting good talent and will be able to put a team around LeBron that is good enough to contend for the title.

Posted by: George Templeton | March 14, 2008 12:10 PM | Report abuse


Would it be a sweep? No way. My prediction (speculation) would be CAVS in 6 again.

Posted by: Wood | March 14, 2008 11:34 AM


So - Wood, as a Cleveland fan.. I'd think you would rather see New Jersey or Philadelphia. Better match up. Easier road to the Conference Final. (Perhaps even easier than last year)..

But playing the Wiz, I'd think there would be a bit more trepidation.

My take:
1. Arenas will probably not be 100%, but he's still a major upgrade over Daniels.

2. Jamison has shown over his career that he can carry the load (minutes). Besides, with Caron back and Arenas returning, he'll be able to rest a bit more.

3. I have no idea when Butler will actually be 100% again. (I suspect none of us will) - but last night's game certainly shows that he can still play. And 80% of Caron Butler is still better than 100% of Szczerbiak, Pavlovic or whoever you put at the 3.

4. The CAVS need to play with the new guys more. AND the Wizards will have to play with the new guys more (Arenas & Thomas) - Wash.

5. The Cavs just don't have the front-court depth to match with Haywood and Jamison AND Blatche AND Songaila (and perhaps Pecherov) on the OFFENSIVE end of the floor.

6. The Wizards have a much better supporting cast than 2 years ago, upgrading from Jeffries, Booth, Ruffin, Hayes, etc - TO: Stevenson, Nick Young, Songaila, Pecherov, and our secret weapon: McGuire.

Would it be a sweep? No way. My prediction (speculation) would be Wizards in 6.

Posted by: Rook | March 14, 2008 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Count me in as one tired of hearing about how he should play in a bigger market. Same as every good player being an option for the Red Sox or Yankees.

Lebron will have all the money he's ever dreamed about and he doesn't need to leave Cleveland to get it. Lebron is bigger than NY already. Global Icon remember? Only difference is that the Knicks or Nets would get more National TV games.

Posted by: Monte | March 14, 2008 12:20 PM | Report abuse

"Face it Wood, LeBron's endorsements and cachet go way up if he plays in New York. LeBron will look at the rest of the team in the summer of 2010 and see that a championship is a long shot at best.
LeBron will head to the Nets in 2010 because A. They will be moving or close to moving to Brooklyn by then and B. Rod Thorn has proven knowledgable in getting good talent and will be able to put a team around LeBron that is good enough to contend for the title."

LJ may leave, sure. I won't argue that.

But please don't tell me it is because of ROD THORN. Rod Thorn is an idiot.

1. His endorsements will go up, yes. He has millions upon million in endorsements now. (and will get millions and millions more whether he stays or goes)
2. CAVS will always be able to offer more money and a longer contract.
3. He is almost done with his ridiculous house in Bath, OH now.(seen it)
4. The CAVS will ALWAYS be 25 minutes from where he grew up. Which includes his high school entorage that he is still tight with.
5. The CAVS are a first class organization with top notch facilities. (Just built a multi-million $ practice facility similar to the ones all of the top-flight franchises have)

Are there reasons he could leave? Absolutely

But there are plenty of reasons to stay.

Why don't we talk about it again in 3 years AFTER this year? mkay?

Posted by: Wood | March 14, 2008 12:21 PM | Report abuse

Could somebody please briefly recap the last 19 seconds (after the charging call)? No description in todays write-up or the AP report. My TiVO ended at that point, and I thought they had gone up by 4 or 5 points. Did somebody brick some free-throws? Did Cleveland get 2 possessions somehow?
Thanks...

Posted by: wisc ave | March 14, 2008 12:25 PM | Report abuse

I agree with Deshawn - Lebron is a little overated.

From all of the hype, when I watch the Cavs I am expecting a Michael Jordan clone and I JUST DON'T SEE IT!!

Great win for the Wiz last night with Butler back.

Posted by: marcus | March 14, 2008 12:25 PM | Report abuse

What's wrong with having Cavs fans on the blog? I enjoy it. Nice to have some different voices. Wood, et al., blog away. I learn a lot from fans of other teams.

As far as LeBron is concerned, he's universally admired for his game, as he should be. He almost single-handedly took a team with decent, but hardly superior, talent to the finals last year. Not one Wiz player could have done that with the same supporting cast.

I didn't particularly like or hate the recent trade. West is certainly a PG upgrade, but Wallace for Gooden I don't think will work out for you.

Wallace has been on a steep decline for almost two seasons now. Yeah, Gooden could be unpredictable, but it seems to me that Wallace is predictable- predictably bad. He gives you nothing offensively, and hasn't been a top-shelf defender or rebounder for a couple of seasons now. He didn't show me much of anything last night, and hasn't done anything since Chicago picked him up last year. Detroit was wise to let him go (another great Dumars move, as so many are).

I think Wally will find his shot -- he's too good to stay this cold -- but a team that won with defense last year didn't upgrade that D with the trade, IMO, and I don't know if it improved offensively, since Wallace is a non-factor there.

Anyway, welcome to the board! Stay around as long as you want.

Posted by: Keithinator | March 14, 2008 12:27 PM | Report abuse

What are people on this blog talking about "way to piss off Lebron"

Are the Wiz supposed to rollover & die because "the anointed one" stepped into the building?

I think not!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | March 14, 2008 12:28 PM | Report abuse

are you serious DeShawn ?

LOL alright you want to feed the beast I laugh at the overrated quotes, he only plays on a team that has nobody ! and I mean nobody, people put Kobe on a pedestal he plays w/ Gasol, Odom, Fisher...LOL LeBron only leads the league in 4th qtr. points, add PPG since the break and is still 21/22 years old. I'm betting DeShawn will see a very motivated LeBron if they cross paths in the playoffs, should have kept quiet homey you just caused your team the quick KO from the playoffs, trust this.

Posted by: Brandon | March 14, 2008 12:28 PM | Report abuse

"So - Wood, as a Cleveland fan.. I'd think you would rather see New Jersey or Philadelphia. Better match up. Easier road to the Conference Final. (Perhaps even easier than last year).."

Sure, I would rather face Philly or NJ, but we will face Toronto as long as Bosh comes back soon, so it doesnt matter.

I like your arguments, disagree with most, but highly disagree that your front court is strong, offensively or defensively.

We can agree to disagree though.


Posted by: Wood | March 14, 2008 12:30 PM | Report abuse

You bums are clueless!! Have you forgotten that we the Cavaliers were shorthanded??? No Big Z who don't take s*** from no one and owns the glass, D.Gibson who is our best perimeter shooter, and are with 4 new guys still leaning the offense! So those who wish to see us in the playoffs...you're only looking for an early exit. Oh, and if you think your "Zero" of a hero coming back will matter much. It will cause that's one more player on the court that will blame himself for not being able to stop The Chosen One!!! MVP MVP MVP MVP

Posted by: C-Town Bully! | March 14, 2008 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Wood, Here's a story they'll love in Cleveland:

As you've noticed 88 kind of hates all things Wizards, but bring up Gilbert Arenas and the guy goes into some kind of split personality blue in the face tantrum.

One night last year he's on here all jacked up on something spouting off about Arenas. Then he starts whining about The Bet. Seems 88'er, according to the story he told, bet $7,000.00 on the Wiz /Cav's playoff game where Arenas missed the two free throws after LaBron walked up to him at the foul line.

He says his hate of Arenas was justified cause he lost his car, his girl, and $7,000.00. I'd have taken it out on LaBron, but then again I never was stupid enough to bet 7k.

This really has nothing to do with anything else. But Wood you seem like a nice enough guy for a Cleveland fan, and the story is too funny for one city to hold!

Have at it 88! You seem in a vulgar mood already, give the old barnyard your best shot!

Posted by: GM | March 14, 2008 12:35 PM | Report abuse

highly disagree that your front court is strong, offensively or defensively.

Let's see. Jamison is averaging a double-double, and went to the All-Star game.

Haywood is the 2nd-rated C in the East (and 9th-rated in the league), according to John Hollinger's ESPN PER ratings.

Caron was another all-star, and having a great season before the injury. His line last night, even after a couple months off, shows what kind of player he is, and will be once he gets his wind back.

Seems like a decent front line to me.

Posted by: Keithinator | March 14, 2008 12:36 PM | Report abuse

"Anyway, welcome to the board! Stay around as long as you want."

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YAY!!! A 2nd smart poster!!

Drew Gooden was not only maddening for his offensive lapses, but sometime moreso for his defensive lapses.

Ben is a shell of what he was IMO. But when he gets to fool around with Z down low, he gets to run a little "free-er" if that makes sense.

4 vs 5 offensively with him on the floor, I agree with that.

I actually think if our guys play together more, when wally-world isnt on the floor we could be a better defensive team.

I think we will still be an excellent rebounding team like we have always been.

West isnt a great defender, but better than wally (LOL).

We will see how it works out.

Honestly, I would have been happy with almost anyone because of the expiring contract situation Ferry put us into for the next 2 years.

Posted by: Wood | March 14, 2008 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Have you forgotten that we the Cavaliers were shorthanded??? No Big Z who don't take s*** from no one and owns the glass, D.Gibson who is our best perimeter shooter, and are with 4 new guys still leaning the offense!

PLEASE don't talk to us about injuries. We've been without Gil for all but 5 games the whole year. That's a 30ppg scorer we're missing. Our backup C, Etan Thomas, has missed every game. Our All Star SF, Caron, has missed a quarter of the season. Our 1st-round draft pick (from last year, who spent the season in Europe), Pecherov, missed the first half of the season. Our bakcup PG, Daniels, has missed a dozen or more games. We've sometimes had to practice with 7 or 8 players, we've had so many injuries.

So spare us the whining about injuries. If your best player missed all but 5 games, and your second best missed a quarter of the season, what would your record be?

Posted by: Keithinator | March 14, 2008 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Wood, Here's a story they'll love in Cleveland:

As you've noticed 88 kind of hates all things Wizards, but bring up Gilbert Arenas and the guy goes into some kind of split personality blue in the face tantrum.

One night last year he's on here all jacked up on something spouting off about Arenas. Then he starts whining about The Bet. Seems 88'er, according to the story he told, bet $7,000.00 on the Wiz /Cav's playoff game where Arenas missed the two free throws after LaBron walked up to him at the foul line.

He says his hate of Arenas was justified cause he lost his car, his girl, and $7,000.00. I'd have taken it out on LaBron, but then again I never was stupid enough to bet 7k.

This really has nothing to do with anything else. But Wood you seem like a nice enough guy for a Cleveland fan, and the story is too funny for one city to hold!

Have at it 88! You seem in a vulgar mood already, give the old barnyard your best shot!

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LOL

That may be one of the funniest stories I have ever read!

DAMN YOU ARENAS NOW I HAVE TO WALK TO WORK!!

Posted by: Wood | March 14, 2008 12:42 PM | Report abuse

Wood,

Sorry, bandwagon Cavs comment was not directed at true fans. Of course there are many... but if you were at the game last night, you would have seen the billion "Witness" t-shirts. Cavs are sort of like the Bullets, no real reason for a national fan base unless someone is jumping on the bandwagon. Heck, I'm originally from Ohio and a huge Browns fan and I'd feel guilty rooting for them.

Posted by: benzotim | March 14, 2008 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Hell, did you forget, we were short handed too! As for Lebron, he is a great player, I will give him that. But enough already, he is just a mere mortal like everyone else and I don't blame the players for not bowing to him, especially in their own house! Who the hell is scared of pissing him off??!!?? Ain't nobody, yes I said ain't, scared of Lebron.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 14, 2008 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Rob P brought up a good point. EJ had Caron going 41 minutes last night...first game back from his injury.

Gilby, if he ever returns, should be getting max minutes too. Maybe he'll have a career ending injury and we can stop talking about max money from now on.

Posted by: DC Man88 | March 14, 2008 12:46 PM | Report abuse

I'm speaking in terms of last nights game and moving forward into the playoffs. Not overall records and how they were obtained. You don't want to see us!! Bottomline!!!

Posted by: C-Town Bully | March 14, 2008 12:46 PM | Report abuse

Wood, I'm one of the few people, apparently, who thought the Cavs were going to be great after they acquired Hughes and Donyell Marshall.

Folks forget this, but Hughes was an All Star-caliber player when Cleveland got him. He was brilliant that season with the Wiz. And I never thought he'd cramp LeBron's style- nothing at all wrong with having two players who can penetrate and dish (remember that Hughes broke into the league as a PG, and has played the position substantially throughout his career.)

Marshall was also a high-quality three-point shooter who could rebound a little. I mean, he was deadly from outside.

At the time, I thought Cleveland was set to be the dominant team for the next few years. Things didn't work out, but at the time I was really jealous of their maneuvering to get those players. I've always thought that there was lots of 20-20 hindsight by the people who were so critical of those moves.

Posted by: Keithinator | March 14, 2008 12:46 PM | Report abuse

My west-coast team is going to the finals...but that isn't why I'm posting here.

I read everyone's comments here.... and "most of you" are clue-less homers.

The Wizards and Coach Jordan have done an excellent job of keeping things together, and playing well.

However, to say that LeBron James is the only one who travels, or that he travels more than others, or gets more calls...that's ignorant. Go watch the game again...pretend that the Wizrds are some other team.... Watch how Pavlovic was called for 3 fouls where he never even touched the guy he supposedly fouled.

And that "Charge" that you are all praising Stevenson for taking.... It was the wrong call. Go check the rules (they're online), a player cannot be charged with an offensive foul unless the defensive player is "set" in his position. DeShawn was running with LeBron...he was never "set".

Beyond that... how about Anderson Varejao getting clothes-lined...and not getting a call? Or LeBron getting "pushed" into the stands by Butler?

I'm sure that LeBron and the Cavaliers received some beneficial calls also, but most of you talk as if only LeBron gets them. I wonder if you'd all be praising yourself and the Wizards if LeBron makes that shot? My guess is that you'd say that the Cavs got all the calls.

The game was called evenly...as are 90% of all NBA games.

The Wizards, I believe are a lot better than they are given credit for.... but blame that on the Boston Hype. I have posted on MANY sites that I think a healthy Wizards team will beat Boston...but we prolly wont find out.

As for the Cavaliers... The Have not played one game all season without at-least 3 of their top 8 guys. Add to that the fact that they made a trade for Ben (no offense) Wallace, and Wally Szczerbiak, who has shot 32% since the trade, and you start to see why the Cavs can be so dangerous.

As for the Cavs and Wizards meeting in the playoffs..... Even if they dont meet in the first round, I wouldn't be surprised to see them meet in the second round, or even the conference finals...assuming both teams are 100% healthy.

Posted by: NBA Fan | March 14, 2008 12:49 PM | Report abuse

Wood,Thought you'd like it! Don't worry 88' doesn't walk to work. This Blog's pretty much his life.

Posted by: GM | March 14, 2008 12:49 PM | Report abuse

I was at the game and I did NOT see a billion Witness shirts. In fact, it was great to see the crowd energized for the WIZ for once instead of sitting on their hands and holding their tongues. The VC was off the chain!

Posted by: Anonymous | March 14, 2008 12:49 PM | Report abuse

I'm speaking in terms of last nights game

Last night's game we were without our All Star PG, our backup Center, a PF playing through significant back pain, and a SF coming back from a two-month layoff.

You still weren't hurting as much as the Wiz.

Posted by: Keithinator | March 14, 2008 12:50 PM | Report abuse

highly disagree that your front court is strong, offensively or defensively.

Let's see. Jamison is averaging a double-double, and went to the All-Star game.

Haywood is the 2nd-rated C in the East (and 9th-rated in the league), according to John Hollinger's ESPN PER ratings.

Caron was another all-star, and having a great season before the injury. His line last night, even after a couple months off, shows what kind of player he is, and will be once he gets his wind back.

Seems like a decent front line to me.


Ok, my fault, I should have clarified. By Front-court I am not including SF.

I have always struggled with Jamison at the 4. He has always been a 3 playing 4 IMO.

If you include him, of course that makes your front court stronger offensively.

Jamison at the 4 defensively has been a big part of the wiz's problem IMO. He is great on offense, but can't guard a traditional post-up PF.

It is no fault of his, he is a good player. I think Arenas being a shoot first PG makes it hard for Wash to have an effective SG. So they have been mixing/matching Arenas/Butler/whoever at the 1/2/3 positions.

If the Wiz ever got a really strong PF and ran out

Arenas-1
Butler-2
Jamison-3
Good PF-4
Haywood-5

They could be an excellent team.

Haywood IMO is just hard to watch as a hoops fan. If I were a Wiz fan I can't imagine it. He reminds me alot of Gooden, sometimes you are like "alright!!" other times you are like, "please don't f this up!"

Posted by: Wood | March 14, 2008 12:50 PM | Report abuse

"So - Wood, as a Cleveland fan.. I'd think you would rather see New Jersey or Philadelphia. Better match up. Easier road to the Conference Final. (Perhaps even easier than last year).."

Sure, I would rather face Philly or NJ, but we will face Toronto as long as Bosh comes back soon, so it doesnt matter.

I like your arguments, disagree with most, but highly disagree that your front court is strong, offensively or defensively.

We can agree to disagree though.

Posted by: Wood | March 14, 2008 12:30 PM


Yeah - I'll have to disagree, because historically Haywood has played Ilgauskas tough both on the Offensive end and the Defensive end, and Jamison will just destroy Wallace or Varejao Offensively - and since neither is an Offensive threat, Jamison's defensive deficiencies will not hurt the Wizards.

As a matter of fact, the ONLY player on the Cavs that would pose a serious problem is LeBron.

I think the two major problems the Wizards will face in a playoff series against the Cavaliers are the same thing that showed up last night. Rebounding and 3-point shooting.


The Wizards would have difficulties rebounding effectively against Cleveland, as Ilgauskas, Varejao and Wallace are all excellent rebounders.. and Cleveland as a team is an excellent rebounding team.

The other problem for the Wiz would be closing out on 3-point shooters (Szczerbiak, Gibson, Jones) - a problem that has shown up all year (against many teams).

But Offensively, the Wizards have too many weapons; and Cleveland has one.

Posted by: Rook | March 14, 2008 12:51 PM | Report abuse

www.wizardsextreme.com

Check it out. The first AND best Wizard's themed fansite/forum.

Posted by: G.A.C.O.L.B. | March 14, 2008 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Wood,

Sorry, bandwagon Cavs comment was not directed at true fans. Of course there are many... but if you were at the game last night, you would have seen the billion "Witness" t-shirts. Cavs are sort of like the Bullets, no real reason for a national fan base unless someone is jumping on the bandwagon. Heck, I'm originally from Ohio and a huge Browns fan and I'd feel guilty rooting for them.

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FWIW I completely agree. The "new" fans that have joined for 1 reason (cough*LeBron*cough)in the last 4 years are EVERYWHERE!

Very annoying for those of use who sat through years of garbage. But it is what it is.

That actually is why I don't think LJ has to leave to be huge, he already is, playing in little old Cleveland.

Posted by: Wood | March 14, 2008 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Arenas-1
Butler-2
Jamison-3
Good PF-4
Haywood-5

Wood, that's exactly what many of us here have been saying. That's the lineup I want to see, for sure. Blatche is really coming on, although he had a terrible game last night, and I think will be that PF. He's a legit 6'11 with extremely long arms who can handle the ball, shoot a little from the outside, block shots and rebound.

I actually think I'd rather have Antawn come off the bench next season, and keep Stevenson or maybe Young start at the 2. Don't think it'll happen, but I can always dream.

As for Haywood, his game is ugly, but the facts are the facts; he's having a terrific season, and is an absolute defensive force. He's also upped his FT percentage to about 75, a big factor in his improvement.

Posted by: Keithinator | March 14, 2008 12:57 PM | Report abuse

You still weren't hurting as much as the Wiz.

2 of our what 6 players that know the offense, were down..1 of which was an allstar as well. Our starting SG was out for 2 months. The Wiz game was his second game back. Yes Zero will help your team but really think about this......Do you really want to see us in the playoffs???

Posted by: C-Town Bully | March 14, 2008 12:58 PM | Report abuse

I feel like I am watching a Prison Ball team when I watch the Wizards.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 14, 2008 12:59 PM | Report abuse

So Gil handles the ball 95% of the time. I wonder how Butler and jamison became allstars.

Posted by: browneri | March 14, 2008 1:01 PM | Report abuse

That dude GM can dream up whatever story he wants to dream up to try to get under my skin, but it does not change the fact that Gilby choked on 3 free throws which cost Les BouleS in the playoffs. That's the only fact in GM's fairy tale.

Posted by: DC Man88 | March 14, 2008 1:02 PM | Report abuse

That dude GM can dream up whatever story he wants to ...... Posted by DC Man88

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Hey GM - what blog were 88's comments posted on? Cuz, I'd be happy to go find em...

Posted by: Rook | March 14, 2008 1:04 PM | Report abuse

Yeah - I'll have to disagree, because historically Haywood has played Ilgauskas tough both on the Offensive end and the Defensive end, and Jamison will just destroy Wallace or Varejao Offensively - and since neither is an Offensive threat, Jamison's defensive deficiencies will not hurt the Wizards.

As a matter of fact, the ONLY player on the Cavs that would pose a serious problem is LeBron.

I think the two major problems the Wizards will face in a playoff series against the Cavaliers are the same thing that showed up last night. Rebounding and 3-point shooting.


The Wizards would have difficulties rebounding effectively against Cleveland, as Ilgauskas, Varejao and Wallace are all excellent rebounders.. and Cleveland as a team is an excellent rebounding team.

The other problem for the Wiz would be closing out on 3-point shooters (Szczerbiak, Gibson, Jones) - a problem that has shown up all year (against many teams).

But Offensively, the Wizards have too many weapons; and Cleveland has one


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I agree that the Wiz have more weapons on offense, and also that Haywood has played Z well.

The beauty of LJ though is that other legit weapons arent needed as long as the other players can shoot. (one reason Hughes didnt work)

It sucks to be so reliant on 1 guy, but we are.

And I totally agree with what the Wiz will struggle with against the CAVS. But I would add that they just arent that good defensively as a team. (which fits with your "guarding the 3 pointer" comment)

The problem with the 3 for Cleveland is that they have to be falling.

Sasha has been a solid 3 shooter in the past couple years too.

Underlying all of this is what happens if LJs streaky ass gets hot from 3. It just gets ugly for any opponent then.

But just as often as he gets hot, he shoots dumb shots.

Posted by: Wood | March 14, 2008 1:06 PM | Report abuse

"So Gil handles the ball 95% of the time. I wonder how Butler and jamison became allstars.

Posted by: browneri | March 14, 2008 01:01 PM "

Oh, I forgot, getting voted into the all star game was an exact science. That's how Yao Ming was voted into the all star game as a starter, but was out almost the entire 1st half.

GEE WILLICKERS!!!!!

Posted by: DC Man88 | March 14, 2008 1:07 PM | Report abuse

"Hey GM - what blog were 88's comments posted on? Cuz, I'd be happy to go find em...

Posted by: Rook | March 14, 2008 01:04 PM "

I hope you do, because 1) that proves you have no life, and 2) that proves you believe everything posted on the net especially for a blog like this that doesn't require login. Reference above.

Duh.

Posted by: Rook | March 14, 2008 1:10 PM | Report abuse

ballyhoo

Posted by: JSchon | March 14, 2008 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Know the offense???? Pass the ball to LaBron and find an empty spot on the floor and if you're lucky and your man goes and doubles hope for a pass. How long does that take to teach?

It took me about 15 minutes to teach a group of 7th graders that were playing with an oversized ballhogging 8th grader that offense. So I'm sure NBA players could pick it up in a week or so.

Not a real good excuse considering some of you team's ex-players comments about the Cav's offensive system.

Posted by: GM | March 14, 2008 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Oh, I forgot, getting voted into the all star game was an exact science. That's how Yao Ming was voted into the all star game as a starter, but was out almost the entire 1st half.

GEE WILLICKERS!!!!!

Posted by: DC Man88 | March 14, 2008 01:07 PM

Are you implying that Butler and Jamison did not deserve their All-Star votes this year?

Posted by: Rook | March 14, 2008 1:11 PM | Report abuse

So Gil handles the ball 95% of the time. I wonder how Butler and jamison became allstars.

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Not sure if this was directed toward me, but I said INITIATED the offense 90% of the time.

I like Arenas as a player I really do, I think he is a conundrum. Great PG skills but LOVES to shoot too muc for a PG IMO.

I am not trying to be blasphemous but I believe sometimes that Butler and Jamison were All Stars despite Arenas. Not that Arenas hurt them, but that he didnt help them very much, if that makes sense.

Posted by: Wood | March 14, 2008 1:11 PM | Report abuse

I think LeTravel uses steroids, at least I wouldn't be at all surprised. Do they test in the NBA??

When you look at him next to guys that live in the weightroom and are super muscular like Etan and Jamison... his arms are just unnaturally big. My main reasons for suspecting him are his large face, and that he played football also.

His face was big and had that puffiness that 'roid users have when he came out of highschool. He was soo much bigger then other highschoolers I can't believe no one brought it up!! Being super skilled at ball is one thing outta highschool, but being that much bigger makes no sense. When he was in highschool he looked like he was 25.

Look at him next to Kobe. I am just talking from experience. Look at the size of his arms, and the size of his face and head. It's obvious.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 14, 2008 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Neither Butler or Jamison were voted into the all-star game. They were selected by the coaches. Pretty hard to do if one man hogs the ball.

And fair enough Wood, whether LeBron goes anywhere sidesteps the issue. And it is hilarious to hear C-Town Bully come in here and compaing about injuries to the Wizards fans. You can't put a price on that comedy.
Washington is going to have to get through Cleveland sooner or later, I would rather it be sooner. It was a great series two seasons ago, it will be a great series this year (if everyone is healthy).

Posted by: George Templeton | March 14, 2008 1:12 PM | Report abuse

you guys are all hating on James because you know he is the best in the NBA by far. The wiz suck, face it. They need agent 0. If any of you know about basketball you would know that contact is a foul, foul shots can win you games. Being an all-star the lebron is, he normally get's thoes calls because he has created a name for himself in the NBA. Lebron can beat the wizards by himself, just like he did to the pistons in the play-offs. Just face it, KING JAMES is the best out there, It was luck that the wiz one, will never happen again.

Posted by: Wiz Suck | March 14, 2008 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Or last year? Or Hughes' consideration the year before?

Posted by: Rook | March 14, 2008 1:13 PM | Report abuse

2 of our what 6 players that know the offense, were down..1 of which was an allstar as well. Our starting SG was out for 2 months. The Wiz game was his second game back. Yes Zero will help your team but really think about this....

We had two legitimate All Stars out. Z hardly qualifies, and would have no chance to be one in the West. He's gone a few times by default.

You simply can't compare having Z out a few games and Pavlovic out 2 months with Arenas out all season and Butler out a quarter of the season. You just can't. Both of our guys are so superior at their positions to your guys at theirs that there is no comparison. Now, if LeBron had missed a quarter or more of the season, you'd have a point.

Trades don't count. Teams make those voluntarily, and know going in an adjustment period will be necessary.

Posted by: Keithinator | March 14, 2008 1:15 PM | Report abuse

You bums are clueless!! Have you forgotten that we the Cavaliers were shorthanded??? No Big Z who don't take s*** from no one and owns the glass, D.Gibson who is our best perimeter shooter, and are with 4 new guys still leaning the offense! So those who wish to see us in the playoffs...you're only looking for an early exit. Oh, and if you think your "Zero" of a hero coming back will matter much. It will cause that's one more player on the court that will blame himself for not being able to stop The Chosen One!!! MVP MVP MVP MVP

Posted by: C-Town Bully! | March 14, 2008


Agree 1000%!!!!!!!!!!


Posted by: EasternConferenceChamps | March 14, 2008 1:15 PM | Report abuse


I'm speaking in terms of last nights game

Last night's game we were without our All Star PG, our backup Center, a PF playing through significant back pain, and a SF coming back from a two-month layoff.

You still weren't hurting as much as the Wiz.

Posted by: Keithinator | March 14, 2008 12:50 PM

The Cavs weren't hurting as much?????

Starting center: Out
Starting PG: Out
Starting SG: Game back after missing 7 weeks; still sore - not in shape
Starting SF: (LeBron) Broken finger, sprained ankle, but playing anyway
Starting PF: Strained back - was supposed to sit out but Cavs are too short handed.

Add to that list the fact that ONLY LEBRON was part of this team's starting 5 3 weeks ago, and the fact that they haven't had time to mesh due to injuries/time,etc

I think the Cavaliers are EVERY BIT as hurt as the Wizards, or more.

As for the Wizards facing the Cavaliers in the playoffs..... Be careful of what you wish for - it may come to pass!!!

Posted by: Which team is injured more? | March 14, 2008 1:15 PM | Report abuse

"Are you implying that Butler and Jamison did not deserve their All-Star votes this year?

Posted by: Rook | March 14, 2008 01:11 PM "

I guess you're too dense to understand the fact that all star selection is a popularity contest. Deal with it.

Posted by: DC Man88 | March 14, 2008 1:15 PM | Report abuse

@Wiz Suck

Let me see your ID. There is an age requirement here.

Posted by: JSchon | March 14, 2008 1:16 PM | Report abuse

I like Arenas as a player I really do, I think he is a conundrum. Great PG skills but LOVES to shoot too muc for a PG IMO.


Posted by: Wood | March 14, 2008 01:11 PM


Arenas is not a PG. He is a SG that brings the ball up the court. He also happens to get about 6 assists a game, and rebounds a little. But, NO, he's not a pure point guard.... Nor would I classify him as a "shoot first" Point.

The Princeton offense does not require a PG, since everyone on the offense is required to move, pass, and score.

Posted by: Rook | March 14, 2008 1:16 PM | Report abuse

You people are crazy. Posting this "LeBron is overrated" crap. Did you see that you almost lost that game yesterday? Ask the Pistons if he is overrated. Wait until the Cavs entire team gets back. I hope you get the 5th playoff spot too so you can do your usual and get knocked out by the Cavs again. Three strikes and you are out.

Posted by: true hoops knowledge | March 14, 2008 1:21 PM | Report abuse

guess you're too dense to understand the fact that all star selection is a popularity contest. Deal with it.

Posted by: DC Man88 | March 14, 2008 01:15 PM


I'd agree if the Fans voted them in.... but the Coaches selected both Butler and Jamison.

Your lack of factual information is showing again 88.

Posted by: Rook | March 14, 2008 1:21 PM | Report abuse

@Rook

Exactly...

Only Rod Strickland could run this team better.

Posted by: JSchon | March 14, 2008 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Rook, you got your confirmation. Nothing gets in the crawl worse then the truth.

JSchon, We could start to call it the Ballad of the Ballyhoo'd Bet!

The Cleveland Fans were fun! Look on the bright side 88, your story is famous in two cities now!

Posted by: GM | March 14, 2008 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Trades don't count. Teams make those voluntarily, and know going in an adjustment period will be necessary.

Posted by: Keithinator | March 14, 2008 01:15 PM


Well we seen an example of the adjustment period last night. So is your arguement that the Wiz may not be ready in time for the playoffs due to the injuries thru out the season? Cause you still haven't answered my question? Do you really want to see us in the playoffs?

Posted by: C-Town Bully | March 14, 2008 1:22 PM | Report abuse

I think the Cavaliers are EVERY BIT as hurt as the Wizards, or more.

Starting center: Out
Starting PG: Out
Starting SG: Game back after missing 7 weeks; still sore - not in shape
Starting SF: (LeBron) Broken finger, sprained ankle, but playing anyway
Starting PF: Strained back - was supposed to sit out but Cavs are too short handed.

Look, we're not just talking about number of players out; we're talking about the caliber of player that's out.

Your PG is out? So what? What did Eric Snow bring to the table? Z is out? He's a good player, but not nearly the level of player Arenas or Butler is. That's what I'm talking about.

For the Wiz, one All Star was out; the other was back in his first game after a two-month layoff; the third shouldn't be playing with his bad back, but is toughing it out. As is our backup (now starting) PG, and our starting SG, who was walking with a cane the other day, due to injuries (detailed in a Washington Post story).

Sorry, but it just doesn't wash.

Posted by: Keithinator | March 14, 2008 1:23 PM | Report abuse

"I'd agree if the Fans voted them in.... but the Coaches selected both Butler and Jamison.

Your lack of factual information is showing again 88.

Posted by: Rook | March 14, 2008 01:21 PM "

Please tell us how all star selections translate to playoff success, which is the only thing that matters here. It doesn't, so you can keep your all stars recognition and the heavy emphasis you place on it. In the meantime, players like Tony Parker and Ginobli will keep winning rings.

Posted by: DC Man88 | March 14, 2008 1:24 PM | Report abuse

GM - I was just looking to see if I could find the actual post.... Then I could post it around to all the other 28 teams blogs (Cleveland and Washington already being aware of 88's gaffe) - so everyone in the Country could get a laugh.

Posted by: Rook | March 14, 2008 1:25 PM | Report abuse

AD has been running this team for most of the year, and he is certainly a true point guard, yet he averages less assists than GA did last year.

I think we should make it a group effort to invade opposing teams blogs and just talk about the Wiz like we do here. Not even acknowledge the other team or their bloggers.

Posted by: JSchon | March 14, 2008 1:26 PM | Report abuse

"I'd agree if the Fans voted them in.... but the Coaches selected both Butler and Jamison.

Your lack of factual information is showing again 88.

Posted by: Rook | March 14, 2008 01:21 PM "

Please tell us how all star selections translate to playoff success, which is the only thing that matters here. It doesn't, so you can keep your all stars recognition and the heavy emphasis you place on it. In the meantime, players like Tony Parker and Ginobli will keep winning rings.

Posted by: DC Man88 | March 14, 2008 01:24 PM

Was that the standard "change of subject" response.....?

Where's my "your mother sucks ______" ?

Posted by: Rook | March 14, 2008 1:26 PM | Report abuse

"Rook, you got your confirmation. Nothing gets in the crawl worse then the truth.

JSchon, We could start to call it the Ballad of the Ballyhoo'd Bet!

The Cleveland Fans were fun! Look on the bright side 88, your story is famous in two cities now!

Posted by: GM | March 14, 2008 01:22 PM "

Don't you have some manure to sell, because your full of it.

Posted by: DC Man88 | March 14, 2008 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, as a Cavs fan, I pray for these teams to match up in the 1st round again. 1st of all, so I can watch the Cavs beat the Wizards in Washington, live and in person, for the 3rd year in a row. And 2nd, so we only play 5 games max in the 1st round and get a bit of a break. The Wizards are a joke, and Stevenson is a clown.

Posted by: Al | March 14, 2008 1:27 PM | Report abuse

"Was that the standard "change of subject" response.....?

Where's my "your mother sucks ______" ?

Posted by: Rook | March 14, 2008 01:26 PM "

I hate saying the obvious, so that's why I didn't bother with your mom.

Keep searching the net, and believe everything in it as factual. That shows what kind of dummy you are.

Posted by: DC Man88 | March 14, 2008 1:28 PM | Report abuse

""Was that the standard "change of subject" response.....?

Where's my "your mother sucks ______" ?

Posted by: Rook | March 14, 2008 01:26 PM ""

Where's your standard xxxx stats data that means absolutely nothing? You're known for that meaningless BS on this blog.

Posted by: DC Man88 | March 14, 2008 1:29 PM | Report abuse

"So Gil handles the ball 95% of the time. I wonder how Butler and jamison became allstars.

Posted by: browneri | March 14, 2008 01:01 PM "

Oh, I forgot, getting voted into the all star game was an exact science. That's how Yao Ming was voted into the all star game as a starter, but was out almost the entire 1st half.

GEE WILLICKERS!!!!!

Posted by: DC Man88 | March 14, 2008 01:07 PM

So again, I'll ask the question. But this time, I'll make it real simple. Simply place an X next to your response:

__ I was saying that Butler and Jamison did not deserve their All Star selections.

__ I said no such thing. Butler and Jamison deserved their All Star selections.

Posted by: Rook | March 14, 2008 1:32 PM | Report abuse

I agree the Cavs were injured, but let break down the wizards

Last Years Starting Center: Out
Starting PF: has not practiced in 2 weeks with a bad back
Starting SF: First game back, after missing 20
Starting SG: Has not practiced in 2 weeks, bad knee, walks around with a cane
Starting PG: Out

Back up PG: Sprained thumb, and visibly in pain every time he touched the ball

So let compare lists, Wizards everyone is hurt, Cavs have their best player 100% healthy...having you best player healthy is clearly the most import player, so by having lebron and us have gilbert out, already puts you at an advantage. Dont talk about injuries with Wiz fans

Lebrons clearly not overrated, he is the best player in the league, no question (but i hate him for all the pain he has caused Wiz fans)

And enough of this true PG bull, the lakers won 3 straight championships without a true PG, the Princeton Offense does not need one, and Gilbert is an absolute super star (but he is not even as close to as good as lebron)

Posted by: Ben...Don't talk to Wiz fans about Injuries | March 14, 2008 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, Cleveland Rocks... some pun intended...

Count my rings... 0

Count Lebrons... 0

Count the Cleveland organization... 0

What does 0+0+0=?

Damon Jones

Posted by: Larry Nance | March 14, 2008 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Keithinator.....

you mentioned our starting PG Eric Snow...? He is far from our starting PG! The man you obviously did not want to mention is Daniel Gibson which if you watched the rook/soph game allstar weekend you'd know exactly what he is capable of. Cavs vs. Wiz in the playoffs....? I foresee another sweeeeep!!!!!

Posted by: C-Town Bully | March 14, 2008 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, Cleveland Rocks... some pun intended...

Count my rings... 0
Count Lebrons... 0
Count the Cleveland organization... 0
What does 0+0+0=?
Damon Jones

Posted by: Larry Nance | March 14, 2008 01:32 PM

Hey, let's not start slinging stones about rings. The Wizards haven't won anything lately either.

Posted by: Rook | March 14, 2008 1:35 PM | Report abuse

"So again, I'll ask the question. But this time, I'll make it real simple. Simply place an X next to your response:

__ I was saying that Butler and Jamison did not deserve their All Star selections.

__ I said no such thing. Butler and Jamison deserved their All Star selections.

Posted by: Rook | March 14, 2008 01:32 PM "

It's so sad that Les BouleS fans can only talk about Les BouleS players and being selected into a meaningless all star game.

Boo hoo....


place an x next to the following rookie:

_ I have no life so I volunteer to scour the net to find a fake story conjured up by GM who has no life and a ho wife.

_ I love stats because I can base my arguments on meaningless data.

_ I'd take an all star selection over a championship ring anyday.

_ I'm a salary cap expert, in my own mind.

_ all of the above

Posted by: DC Man88 | March 14, 2008 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Wizards suck at shooting clutch free throws. Remember the Chicago series when they were down by 10 with a minute. Gilbert in the CAVS series. Jamison is never clutch at the line. That game should have been over at the line. Just imagine if Lebron made that shot at the end. All wiz fans would have committed suicide

Posted by: smartfan | March 14, 2008 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Hey Cleveland Fans - is all the interest on the Wizards blog a result thinking that the Wizards and the Cavaliers are the teams of the future in the East?

Boston is old, and getting older.

Ditto for Detroit.

Orlando is a nice team, but financially strapped - and what you see right now is what you have for the forseeable future.

Miami is a lottery team.

Charlotte, Atlanta and Chicago: all young teams that had their chance to get better this year, and didn't.

Wood? Response?

Posted by: Rook | March 14, 2008 1:41 PM | Report abuse

So glad the Wiz won that one! I HATE the Cavs, espescially Lebron's cocky as$ and Damon Jones with that g&y as$ little mohawk. Props to DeSahwn for standing strong and showing some cahones. Go Wiz

Posted by: Tony Bones | March 14, 2008 1:44 PM | Report abuse


It's so sad that Les BouleS fans can only talk about Les BouleS players and being selected into a meaningless all star game.

Posted by: DC Man88 | March 14, 2008 01:36 PM

And so, the question goes unanswered and I must make my own assumptions about your comments.... whereby I have surmised that you believe that both Jamison and Butler did NOT deserve to be selected to the All-Star game.

Posted by: Rook | March 14, 2008 1:45 PM | Report abuse

This blog only exists because that bum Duhshawna made a false statement in that LeBron is overrated. Otherwise what else would you lames have to talk about!

Posted by: C-Town Bully | March 14, 2008 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Didn't know their was so much animosity between DC & Cleveland. I guess the King did not get an invite to Caron's big party last night then.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 14, 2008 1:49 PM | Report abuse

"And so, the question goes unanswered and I must make my own assumptions about your comments.... whereby I have surmised that you believe that both Jamison and Butler did NOT deserve to be selected to the All-Star game.

Posted by: Rook | March 14, 2008 01:45 PM "

Dude, knock yourself out.

Posted by: DC Man88 | March 14, 2008 1:50 PM | Report abuse

@C-Town Bully

Nothing. Absolutely nothing. Thanks for coming in and sharing in our less than ballyhoo'd blog. Come by after our next game and you will hear the faint sounds of crickets and DC Man88 masturbating to Gilby's sock that Laura didnt pick up.

Posted by: JSchon | March 14, 2008 1:52 PM | Report abuse

It's so funny how Michael JShon has this anger towards me where he/she continuously tries to take jabs even though I've made almost no references to any of his weak comments.

LOL!

Posted by: DC Man88 | March 14, 2008 1:56 PM | Report abuse

"Never back down Wood.... shows weakness. The guys on this blog smell weakness, and go for the throat."

Let them "go for my throat" so far, I am very underwhelmed.

A couple seem to have a clue, a large majority seem to be "ZOMG HAHA LJ SUCKS WIZ R BETTER THAN CAVS CLEVELAND SUCKS!!!!!!!!

Doesnt the Washington fan base have more to offer?

Posted by: Wood | March 14, 2008 11:46 AM

What blog are you reading?

Posted by: rbpalmer | March 14, 2008 1:57 PM | Report abuse

you mentioned our starting PG Eric Snow...? He is far from our starting PG! The man you obviously did not want to mention is Daniel Gibson which if you watched the rook/soph game allstar weekend you'd know exactly what he is capable of. Cavs vs. Wiz in the playoffs....? I foresee another sweeeeep!!!!!

You're absolutely correct about Gibson. My bad - had brain lock. Gibson has really developed into a solid guard.

Still, my point holds. The players we're missing are much, much more valuable than the ones you're missing, on the whole.

Do you really see a sweep, if all our guys are healthy? It was pretty close last playoffs, with Gil and Caron out. If they're healthy, and with our stronger bench this year (compared to our benches of previous years - not comparing to the Cavs' bench), I see a great series.

As I've pointed out multiple times, I don't hate Cleveland at all, and I think James is a transcendent player. Right now, I'd have to say I see more upside for the Wiz, as they're developing young players with a lot of potential, and aren't old at any position. Arenas, Butler, Haywood, Stevenson, Young, Blatche, McGuire, Pecherov -- that's a young foundation you can win with and build on.

Other than LeBron and maybe Gibson, what is Cleveland's future? I'm not being sarcastic here, but instead asking a question for Cavs fans. What are you building around James?

Posted by: Keithinator | March 14, 2008 1:58 PM | Report abuse

My words arent angry... I really dont want you to be sniped out, I really dont want Kalaroma to smolder in hell... Hey you might masturbate to Gilby's sock, and thats ok too, who am I to judge?

I do however want Damon Jones to fall in a wood chipper.

Posted by: JSchon | March 14, 2008 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Heyyy yalll, Gayyymon Jones here. Just thought I'd let yall know that I just lovvve playing for cleveland cuz it's jus 'bout the gayest place in the whole wide worrrld:) Welp, see ya laterr

Posted by: Gaymon Jones | March 14, 2008 2:03 PM | Report abuse

What's your beef with Damon Jones? Did he take your boyfriend?

Posted by: DC Man88 | March 14, 2008 2:03 PM | Report abuse

LeBron doesn't work out with much ballyhooed parachutes or write haikus, so really how cool can he be?

Posted by: Anonymous | March 14, 2008 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Look, we're not just talking about number of players out; we're talking about the caliber of player that's out.

Your PG is out? So what? What did Eric Snow bring to the table? Z is out? He's a good player, but not nearly the level of player Arenas or Butler is. That's what I'm talking about.

For the Wiz, one All Star was out; the other was back in his first game after a two-month layoff; the third shouldn't be playing with his bad back, but is toughing it out. As is our backup (now starting) PG, and our starting SG, who was walking with a cane the other day, due to injuries (detailed in a Washington Post story).

Sorry, but it just doesn't wash.
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I agree the Cavs were injured, but let break down the wizards

Last Years Starting Center: Out
Starting PF: has not practiced in 2 weeks with a bad back
Starting SF: First game back, after missing 20
Starting SG: Has not practiced in 2 weeks, bad knee, walks around with a cane
Starting PG: Out

Back up PG: Sprained thumb, and visibly in pain every time he touched the ball

So let compare lists, Wizards everyone is hurt, Cavs have their best player 100% healthy...having you best player healthy is clearly the most import player, so by having lebron and us have gilbert out, already puts you at an advantage. Dont talk about injuries with Wiz fans

Lebrons clearly not overrated, he is the best player in the league, no question (but i hate him for all the pain he has caused Wiz fans)

And enough of this true PG bull, the lakers won 3 straight championships without a true PG, the Princeton Offense does not need one, and Gilbert is an absolute super star (but he is not even as close to as good as lebron)

Posted by: Ben...Don't talk to Wiz fans about Injuries | March 14, 2008 01:32 PM
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To the first poster:

Last year's starting center is out? So what... he sucks.
Eric snow is our 4th PG, not our starting PG..Gibson starts.
As for Quality of players out:

Caron Butler has always been under-rated in my opinion, but Arenas is over-rated. He promotes himself, and shoots 41%.... All-Star? Only reason he was an all-star last season was because he was getting hyped-up. Now he's gonna opt-out so he can leave Washington.

To the second poster:

LeBron is not 100% healthy..... where did you get that information from???

LeBron has a broken finger, a bone bruise on his shin, and a sprained ankle.

100% healthy? He just appears healthy when compared to other players, because he is so good.

You Washington fans should really try to quit drinking your kool-aide!!!!

Do you honestly beleive that you'd have a chance to beat the Cavaliers in a series?

EVEN if the Wizards had home-court advantage, and the Cavaliers were without Z and Gibson... the Cavs still would win.

Nothing against Washington, as I think they've done a good job this year...but they aren't in the same class as the Cavaliers.

Complain all you want about this post...I wont see the responses anyway, as I'm only here due to a link from HH. But you guys really need to quit setting yourselves up for failure!

Oh...and wouldn't it be funny if Arenas does opt-out, and then the Cavaliers sign him? LMAO! I think Gil is over-rated, but I wonder if YOU FANS would still think he was great?

Anyway...good-luck in the playoffs! But you better hope it isn't the Cavs.

Posted by: Cavs are injured more | March 14, 2008 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Wow, those Cleveland trolls really get militant when anyone commits the heresy of questioning LaBronski's utter wonderfulness. Maybe we should all get down and worship him the way that the TNT crew does. After all, it was nothing short of miraculous last night when replay showed him hopping on both feet with the ball tucked against his chest, coming down and then taking another step to get to the rim. Now, a mere human couldn't do that without getting whistled, even at Barry Farms. LaBronski, however, has the power to momentarily alter the century-old rules of basketball, the ones that even Jerry West and Oscar Robertson had to obey.

On a less sarcastic note, DS did a great job on D last night, particularly on that last possession, when he faced Labronski in an iso on the perimeter. He not only stayed in front of him anticipated that step back perfectly, and got right up into LaBronski so that he no room and had to fade to get the ball over DS's fingertips. That's why it only drew front iron. You gotta love that kind of aggressiveness, especially when you have no margin for error.


Posted by: John Brisker | March 14, 2008 2:11 PM | Report abuse

DeShawn Stevenson had a good game last night. However, he has very little room to talk. He's been a bust after coming out of high school. He's just beginning to contribute something to a team but his career has not lived up to the hype he received before he was drafted.

Let's look at this, Lebron James is an MVP candidate...DeShawn Stevenson's name is barely recognizable. I'd rather be in MVP discussion than be someone who is not rated at all. Overrated vs. Unrated?

LeBron has exceeded expectations already and he's still 23. He has a lot to learn. That's the scary thing. Stevenson's been in the league a while and is just now catching on...

DeShawn is mad because Lebron is everything he wanted to be but he never lived up to his build.

Posted by: funny | March 14, 2008 11:29 AM

If you really know Stevenson, you would know he's not mad or jealous about La Braun and all that. Without knowing the team and how Stevenson plays, most people assume wrongly about him.

Cleveland fans shouldn't get too riled up about what Stevenson said cause he's really an emotional player - good and bad. Things said that shouldn't be said at times. What he said about getting into La Braun's grill and making him work for everything is so true and something we really needed on this team so we applaud him for that. He's much more physical a 2 guard that Larry Hughes never could be here or anywhere.

Now calling out La Braun overrated may have been more true last year, but this year from what I've seen (not counting last night's game), La Braun has made great improvements in his outside shot and has performed really really well in the 4th quarter. As an NBA fan, I would be the first to acknowledge that, as well as state that he does in fact get way too many calls he should be getting and does travel quite a bit without getting called on. Same thing could be said for Wade not getting called for that ridiculous travelling spin move he ALWAYS gets away with.

All in all, a good game that the Wiz won with Stevenson doing a pretty good job on La Braun and getting some good 3 point buckets on the other end. It's just one game, we Wiz fans love it cause of the win and history between the clubs the last few years.

Cleveland fans are all here PO'd that Stevenson even DARED to talk bad about their beloved La Braun after a game they felt they should have won. Big deal folks, get over it - don't be sore losers.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 14, 2008 2:14 PM | Report abuse

In french LeBron means The Bron.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 14, 2008 2:17 PM | Report abuse

well Keithinator,

I do see a sweep if we meet in the playoffs. But I'm no expert. I just look at the intensity that the Cavs play with during the playoffs. It's unmatched. As Lebron goes so do the Cavaliers. And he's relentless. As for the coming years and the team built around the key players of the franchise. I see us not necessarily retooling but adding more pieces. We have a lot of expiring contracts next year and Ferry doesn't seem afraid to pull the trigger. So with that being said. We do have the best player in the game in James so it won't take as much talent to surrounding him in order to make it back to the Championship. As far as the Wiz....I would be more worried with your core players wanting to leave. Especially Jamison. I think he will be very key for a team next year. He causes alot of mismatches around the league. But to sum this up....Cavaliers have a better orginazation overall. And we'll see the promise land before the Wiz.

Posted by: C-Town Bully | March 14, 2008 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Bron (a.k.a Sh! tsville) is a new town in France, approximately 10 km to the east of Lyon. It is a commune Rhône département and the Rhône-Alpes région of France. It is the sixth-largest suburb of the city of Lyon, and is adjacent to its east side. It is a component of the metropolitan Urban Community of Lyon.

Posted by: JSchon | March 14, 2008 2:20 PM | Report abuse

LeBron overrated is the most asinine thing I have heard. Deshawn is sweet, I would much rather have his lame a@$. Don't you have a player named Gilbert Arenas? Does he ever play? The last time I seen him play was two years ago when he missed his foul shots.

The Wizards won, Congrats! Cavs fans are not sore losers, we accept the defeat. But, we will gladly greet the Wizards in the playoffs. I do have to thank Deshawn though for saying what he said, now LeBron will go in with a reason to whoop the Wizards...again.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 14, 2008 2:33 PM | Report abuse

"In french LeBron means The Bron.

Posted by: | March 14, 2008 02:17 PM "

There's always a reason for a name, but I doubt if his mother thought of france when she came up with LeBron, or when AJ's parents decided to spell it "Antawn."

Other notable names

Vonteego Cummings - father loved the volkswagen and monteego cars

Sir Valiant Brown (brother is Sir Lancelot) - father loved the knight stories and cartoons

So what about LaRon, DeShawn, LaMarcus, Delonte, Chikezie, and Caron? How were those names dreamed up?

Posted by: DC Man88 | March 14, 2008 2:40 PM | Report abuse

AIN'T NOBODY SCARED OF LEBRON!! AND IF WE MEET AGAIN SO BE IT. WE'LL BRING IT TOO! DON'T FORGET WE STILL OWE YOU ALL ! SO, IT AIN'T OVER CAV FANS. REPEAT AFTER ME, THE WIZ ARE NOT SCARED OF LEBRON AND HIS MERRYMEN! THANKS DESHWAN FOR MANNING UP AND CALLING IT LIKE YOU SEE IT. REAL MEN PROTECT THEIR OWN HOUSE AND THAT IS WHAT THE WIZ DID!

Posted by: Anonymous | March 14, 2008 2:46 PM | Report abuse

My point was that one does not get picked by THE COACHES to the all star team by just standing around while a team mate does all the ball handling and scoring.

As far as scoring point guards are concerned some of us are old enough to remember Oscar Robinson, Walt Frazier, Magic Johnson (I'm sure I'm forgetting some). They were point guards who did more than just handing out assists; they also scored.

Posted by: browneri | March 14, 2008 2:50 PM | Report abuse

LeTravel, LeTravel, LeTravel. The Cleveland fans need to just admit that their guy walks all over the place. He would get even more props if he cleaned up his game to play in a more "pure" way. I get annoyed watching him on national tv, with those guys raving about what a great athlete he is, when he is always taking two extra steps on his way to a dunk. It's bad for the kids learning the game, bad for the real fans, just all around annoying and bad for the game.

Posted by: DC | March 14, 2008 3:16 PM | Report abuse

I'm a Clevelander & a Cavaliers fan; I've been a Cavaliers fan for 25 or so years. I watched MJ's shot, I watched Danny Ferry take a swing @ MJ, I spent years watching MJ travel & go to the line because somebody breathed on him; I watched MJ become widely accepted as the greatest of all time; I've watched Shaq dominate the NBA since '92 because he's simply, well, bigger than everyone else; I watched Kobe drop 50, 50, 60, etc on teams after spending his first 2 seasons with the Lakers jacking up 60+% of their total shots; Kobe is the best player in the NBA right? I've been annoyed and sick of watching my PRE-Lebron Cavaliers basically suck and never get any calls, I mean who could forget fat Shawn Kemp or Tractor Traylor, Lasagna Flop before being traded to the Mavs, etc...Sure all of these Non-LBJ things i've mentioned annoyed me, but my love of the game persevered.

Now I watch a 23 yr. old Lebron leading the league in scoring, while pulling in 8 and 7. Sure he plays 40 minutes a game and sure he's 80% of our offense, but it's still impressive statistically.

I guess what i'm saying is I feel your blame and pain Washington. But here in Cleveland we're still owed a SHOT,a DRIVE, a SWEEP and for God's sake a tick tack foul and a travel for every single one MJ, KOBE, SHAQ and the rest have done to us over the years.

You can be jealous and annoyed by the fact that your Wizards will never win anything so long as LBJ is in the Eastern Conference, hell he'll be in NY in 2 years i'm sure & my Cavs will be the worst team in the league again, i accept that, i own that. Washington needs to accept and own a bit of the fact that your team simply isn't as good as our star. It sucks, but ignoring it and coming up with excuses won't change that.

Lastly, Deshawn Stevenson isn't exactly the star lockdown defender he's claiming to be...dumb comment from someone that i'm sure has heard what sorta payback LBJ drops on people who talk big talk to him. I hope Deshawn likes smoke because LBJ's gonna be out to torch him next time they suit up. Good Luck Washington, you'll need it.

Posted by: Sux2BtheTeamWithoutLebron | March 14, 2008 3:19 PM | Report abuse

"AIN'T NOBODY SCARED OF LEBRON!! AND IF WE MEET AGAIN SO BE IT. WE'LL BRING IT TOO! DON'T FORGET WE STILL OWE YOU ALL ! SO, IT AIN'T OVER CAV FANS. REPEAT AFTER ME, THE WIZ ARE NOT SCARED OF LEBRON AND HIS MERRYMEN! THANKS DESHWAN FOR MANNING UP AND CALLING IT LIKE YOU SEE IT. REAL MEN PROTECT THEIR OWN HOUSE AND THAT IS WHAT THE WIZ DID!

Bring what? Gimpy, Sleepy, and DeShawn. There is no way the Wizards could possibly beat us out in a playoff. Maybe one game as long as Gilbert isn't shooting foul shots and if DeShawn could score more then 10 points. I would not even want to play the Wizards in the playoffs, we don't want to be bored going to the next slot. Jameson should just play for the Cav's. Wizards suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck!!!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | March 14, 2008 3:20 PM | Report abuse

cleveland, you better hope lesoft doesn't suffer a hangnail in the playoffs...he might have to sit out for four games costing you a playoff series. there are some allstars that don't let a mere finger injury keep them from suiting up, unlike le-it's-all-about-me-bron....

watching the way lesoft reacted to the hit by brendan, lesoft better learn to take a hit, cuz come playoffs, teams are gonna see that and aren't gonna let him coast to the basket the way he did against detroit last year.

Posted by: ed | March 14, 2008 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Okay Washington we'll give you Lebron James for Arenas, who's worth nothing because he's always hurt, Butler who also seems to be hurt quite a bit, and Jamison because well he's actually pretty decent on O. Deal?

If you say YES, your a Lebron fan right?

If you say NO, ??? you might qualify for disability pay, seeing as there's obviously something wrong enough with you to recommend being committed.

Deal?

Posted by: SureRight | March 14, 2008 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Man quit all this hatin on lebron because he a beast, its just digging you in a bigger hole they actin like they just won the NBA finals. And you got to be kidding me Washington can't possibly want to see us in the playoffs, I mean I know in there heart they do, but cmon they got four good players on their roster and one has been out all year, that don't add up thats like sayin 2+2=3 go back to the drawing board. And the last thing you wanna do is fuel Lebron anyway, my dude strives off that see Chris Bosh and Spike Lee for example. I'd be mad too if I got beat so much but Washington pull it together step that game up fist and win a playoff series against any team first atleast!

Posted by: CLE | March 14, 2008 3:35 PM | Report abuse

How dare Stevenson talk smack about our Savior, LeTravel and then win the game too? *sniff*sniff*sniff*

Posted by: Anonymous | March 14, 2008 3:41 PM | Report abuse

the only le or L i'll put infront of these washington fans is ..... sore LOSERS

wow you won a game against the injury plagued cavaliers, guess you're ready to go to the finals this year.

sniff, sniff, sniff I'M SO HAPPY WE SOMEHOW BEAT THE CAVALIERS I'M CRYING sniff sniff sniff

Posted by: SIMPLE | March 14, 2008 3:45 PM | Report abuse

In french LeTravel means The Travel.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 14, 2008 3:45 PM | Report abuse

hey Ed, in response to,

cleveland, you better hope lesoft doesn't suffer a hangnail in the playoffs...

LBJ doesn't get hang nails, he chews his nails off before they get a chance to become hangnails.

Posted by: 4Ed | March 14, 2008 3:50 PM | Report abuse

LOl Guys dont wish we Face the Cavs In the Playoffs well get owned so bad , lebron james is better at the playoffs he is a fkin beast u cant stop it its just season wait until playoffs

Posted by: tony | March 14, 2008 3:54 PM | Report abuse

All the talk about Washington not wanting to play Cleveland...whatever. It'll be a good series whether both teams' homers want to admit it or not. Both teams healthy will make a very entertaining series and could go either way. It was that close 2 years ago and many of those games came down to a possession or two executed well, offensively or defensively. It was that close. HOMERISM conveniently forgets how that series went.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 14, 2008 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Hey Cavs fans, I hope you enjoy this time of relative success for your franchise because remember how LeBron was sporting that Yankees hat during the MLB playoffs? Uh yeah, he clearly doesnt give a sht about cleveland and he'll be gone as soon as he can get outta there, then the Cavs will go right back to suckin ass.

Posted by: Cavs Suck | March 14, 2008 3:56 PM | Report abuse

"If anything Lebron James is underrated,but Deshawn Stevenson is ghetto trash. Is he still screwing 14 year old girls in hotel rooms?"

LOL, classic comment. I bet all these informed Wizard Fans didn't know that their DeShawn aka "little David" (vs. Lebron - Goliath) was also a child molester/rapist!

And you know Stevenson said all that crap about LeBron AFTER checking the schedule to make sure the Wizards and Cavs don't match up again this season.

Posted by: Arenas is Gay | March 14, 2008 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Good game for the Wizards.But DS should try to play more often like this than talk. Also DS has NO cred to say that Lebron is overrated for many reasons.

Well for one , Its coming for DS - a career under-achiever and because Lebron is not Overrated. If anything he has exceeded all the hype that was placed on him, I wonder how DS played when he was 23.

Posted by: NBA_Swami | March 14, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

LeBron rapes puppies.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 14, 2008 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Deshawn played pretty good when he was 23, however it was with a 14 year old girl in seedy motel room after he liquored her up!

And you guys root for someone like that, he makes Kobe look like the Pope.

Posted by: Arenas is Gay | March 14, 2008 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Ha, Ha, I love it: the Cleve fans can't deny that their star LeTRAVEL is a one-man walking machine! That they justify their recent star-fueled "affirmative action plan" for success based on their history of boring teams is just ridiculous. This is how it feels to win when the refs and the NBA have the deck of cards stacked in your favor...way to be proud of yourselves, Cleveland.

Posted by: DC | March 14, 2008 4:13 PM | Report abuse

the Wiz suck. You're 7th in the dismal East, sir Charles was right. Sure you had ur injuries...but so have we. Lebron was out for a week or more and we're still 4th. Get to that 5th seed so we can sweep u away again. Then watch Gilbert leave in the summer and come play for the Cavs...wont that be great? DS is a bum...the only thing he has going for him is his beard-challenge with Drew Gooden. Yea, those guys should REALLY be concentrating on their terrible beards more than bball. 13 pts is a great game for DS? Right...he'd be coming off the bench for the Cavs as well as Daniels, Haywood, and Blatche. When LeBron dunks on Haywood in the playoffs, when it really matters, then come talk about "putting LeBron in his place"...ill send u a picture of the LeBron over Haywood dunk poster next year...

Posted by: wipethefloor | March 14, 2008 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Deshawn is a wonderful young man. Deshawn makes LeBron look like Pol Pot.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 14, 2008 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Wiz played well and I think are doing pretty well w/o Arenas and Butler out. DS seems to be coming around and now is about where Lebron was 4 years ago...well maybe not yet. The Wiz with Arenas and Butler back are gonna be tough.

To all who think LeBron is overrated...should I presume that you'd turn down a trade for him then? No need to answer...I think I already know it. I can see where LeBron gets some calls but there are plenty of times where is doesn't get calls because he has a power game. Many times he goes to the hoop and gets hacked and no call....similar to Shaq. All this travel stuff...not sure. I agree there are times where it looks close, but seldom....not the majority like many on here seem to think.

congrats on holding LeBron to his worst game in about a month...25, 7, and 7.

Posted by: CavsFan1 | March 14, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

What everyone is forgetting is that if Gil comes back, Cleveland has no answer for him. We have none for Lebron. Anyone watching the games since Larry Hughes was on Cleveland knows that Larry played Gil very tough. When Cleveland traded away Larry Hughes, they basically are left with Delonte West to cover Gilbert Arenas. Who wants to bet the house on who wins that match-up? When Gil averaged 40 against Cleveland in the play-offs a few years ago, that was with Laryy Hughes on his side. We should respect Lebron's game and his dominance but Caron has raised his game and there is no one on Cleveland that can guard both of them. If Gil's back at full speed, get your popcorn...

Posted by: PTP23 | March 14, 2008 5:16 PM | Report abuse

The fact that people think the NBA would let Lebron lose in the first round is quite comical. Yall dont wanna see the cavs for that reason alone. Atleast hope tos ee them in round 2. jesus. dont let one meaningless game get you all riled up to say dumb stuff like Stevenson.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 14, 2008 7:17 PM | Report abuse

Great idea angering LeBron. He plays best when upset, and don't think he'll forgot about Stevenson's comments. Funny that a marginally-talented player like Stevenson thinks he's qualified to give an opinion.

As for the writers, LeBron takes a beating on a nightly basis. He's the anti-Larry Hughes.

Posted by: justwait | March 14, 2008 8:19 PM | Report abuse

if lebron gets calls, he deserves them. not since shaq has a player been fouled so much and it not been called. But hell you can't blame the refs, lebron is so strong and makes it look so easy, that they don't look like fouls even though Lebron is hammered virtually every time. LMAO@ wanting the cavs in the first round. Be careful what you wish for.

P.S. How in god's name can you complain about calls when they call a jump ball when nick young barrels into the back of devin brown?

Posted by: tmurda2240 | March 14, 2008 9:22 PM | Report abuse

LMFAO@ THESE IDIOTS SAYING LEBRON DOSEN'T LIKE CONTACT.

Posted by: tmurda2240 | March 14, 2008 9:24 PM | Report abuse

That dude GM can dream up whatever story he wants to dream up to try to get under my skin, but it does not change the fact that Gilby choked on 3 free throws which cost Les BouleS in the playoffs. That's the only fact in GM's fairy tale.

Posted by: DC Man88 | March 14, 2008 01:02 PM

The truth emerges AGAIN. This is the reason DCfag88 rags on Gil so much. Clewiston88 (DCfag88) lost a $7,000 bet when Gil missed those free throws. That explains the never-ending hate.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 14, 2008 11:11 PM | Report abuse

DC "Man"88 is a retarded fag who knows nothing about sports -- except that he hates Gil.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 14, 2008 11:25 PM | Report abuse

Steveson is probally the dumbest person i've ever heard. He siad LeBron is over rated but he is constantley compared to Kobe and Mj. And who is Stevenson comared to. exactley nobody. he's a loser and he averaged 13% from the field last year in the playoffs.

Posted by: stevenson is dumb | March 15, 2008 4:12 AM | Report abuse

Sounds like some silly club is jealous. Saying Lebron is overrated is by far the most untrue dumb statement of the year. Apparently stevenson can't look at stat sheets. He has half or less the stats Lebron has. He's just another NBA cry baby. Maybe him and rasheed can hold hands together.

Posted by: hahawashington | March 15, 2008 4:52 AM | Report abuse

I love DeShawn, but there is just absolutely no way anyone who actually follows basketball can think LeBron is overrated. Glad the Wiz won, though.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 15, 2008 6:49 PM | Report abuse

i cant wait till we over take the raptors, then we will tear the cavs up in the playoffs and make the king into a pauper.
GO STEVENSON

Posted by: Wiz fan | March 16, 2008 2:42 PM | Report abuse

truly, lebron i a lil bit overrated, cuz so many guys play scared. sometimes, i see other players drive the lane and the big man rotates to stop him, but with lebron, the big man is just another spectator, and its not like lebron is faster than AI or parker.
Explain that.

Posted by: Wiz fan | March 16, 2008 2:47 PM | Report abuse

HAHAHAHAHA. If LeBron is over-rated, that makes Deshawn Stevenson a high school player. The Cavs will / would take the Wizards again if they met in the playoffs. These writers can keep masturbating to DeShawns comments, but the past tells a different story.

Posted by: Cavs for 3rd in ROW | March 16, 2008 7:03 PM | Report abuse

Hey fan who talked about LeBron and his Yankees hat; you're an idiot. LeBron in HIGH SCHOOL admitted Yankees, Bulls, and Cowboys were his favorite teams as a child. I think you also fail to realize LeBron is from AKRON OHIO. This is home town, idiot.

Posted by: Wiz Suck | March 16, 2008 7:05 PM | Report abuse

I can explain your comment. No crap LeBron isn't as fast as AI or Parker. But those two guys aren't the same size as LeBron. LBJ is 6'8 250ish, compared to those little dips you listed. Add that with his relative speed (to his size) and of course it's hard to guard him when he drives to the hole.

Posted by: Wiz Fan reply | March 16, 2008 7:07 PM | Report abuse

Wow. Washington BARELY beats Cleveland on their second night of back to back night road games (New Jersey wore them out the night before) - and some stiff I never even heard of by the name of Stevenson decides to run his mouth on the greatest player in the league. Impressive.

Where was Stevenson last year in the playoffs when he got spanked? How about the year before? Thats right, he had his mouth shut while watching LeBron hoop up and down his face. So Stevenson decides to run his mouth in a meaningless home game when the Cavs were missing half their roster, and were dead tired coming out of New Jersey. Wow. What a tough guy.

Overrated? I wonder if Pete Chilcutt said that about Michael Jordan after his dumb ugly face got dunked on as well.

Great article. Then again, if I was a sports writer for a loser basketball team - I would be digging for stories as well.

Posted by: TROOPER | March 16, 2008 8:07 PM | Report abuse

so how come the big men or other players rotate to stop AI or tony parker when they drive but sometimes LJ just drives while every1 watches. xplain that.
if u can add another true allstar to the cavs(not big ben), lets see if lebron can still do this. When he has a scottie pipen, cuz rite now he has to do everything, and even thou he is good, the only reason he is putting up those numbers is because compared to him, the rest of the team are middle schoolers.
Kobe dropped 81 when no1 on his team knew how to score, now he is still doing good, and can still drop pts, but now he is not their only option. when lebron stops being their only option and can still put up these numbers, then he can be compared to MJ. but if he keeps playing on a team where he is the only actual player, plz dont do that.

Posted by: Wiz fan | March 16, 2008 9:17 PM | Report abuse

This is the way we used to talk about Jordan when he was with the Bulls and they were kicking our tails every year. The Wizards...tough? Please. You can call Lebron many things, but you better put this word in all caps: WINNER. I really don't know if anyone else on our team is right now, but he is bottom-line...off-the-charts...state-of-the art WINNER. Who is for the Bullets/Wizards? I mean a true WINNER? Jamison? Definition of soft. Arenas? Talk about overhype. (Agent 0..own blog...etc. - How bout staying healthy?) Butler? Now you are warming up - he's a player. And the guy who talked trash with Lebron? That's right; don't know his name. Nobody does. He's a journeyman. Check records..check stats..check anything you want. When you are talking LBJ and the Cavs vs. your Wizards, it's not even close at this point.

Posted by: Disbelief | March 16, 2008 9:27 PM | Report abuse

If you actually want to read a real report of the game and what happened, go to:
http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/cavs/2008/03/13/cavs-at-wizards-2/

It is not a fly by night report full of locker room jargon. It uses basketball terms and reports what really happened. And...here's the kicker...it's professionally done. No bias...no jabs at opposing players (other than Stevenson's 19 percent shooting in last year's playoffs and his last-second shot off the top of the backboard last month). Enjoy.

Posted by: Disbelief | March 16, 2008 9:37 PM | Report abuse

It's weird how people even have to debate back and forth about who is right, and was it justified and blah blah blah...Deshawn's statement is like Bryon Russell saying that Michael Jordan's game is just okay...ha ha funny stuff....Funny how superstars never bother dissing regular players

Posted by: unbiased outsider | March 17, 2008 9:43 AM | Report abuse

i see why many of you are hating on Lebron.. most of you are from Washington

Posted by: Chris Icarus | March 18, 2008 5:26 AM | Report abuse

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Posted by: vyhldt fupjhyda | April 16, 2008 9:23 AM | Report abuse

LeBron doesn't like contact? really? is that why he bodies people on the way to the rim and led the league in and-one baskets. Let's be real Stevenson isn't the best person to call out Lebron. If the wizards get killed by Lebron again in the playoffs hes going to look real stupid.

Posted by: house23 | April 18, 2008 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Your r just jealous that u can't beat king james. He is overall better than you and everyone on your team. Jealousy can affect you, like it already has, Stevenson. Can't wait to u lose. Later!!!!!

Posted by: Steffan | April 20, 2008 11:03 AM | Report abuse

Deshawn, if lebron was overated he wouldn't be in every all star game like he has, and he leads the NBA in and 1s baskets. Challenge him he'll kill you. You shouldn't even of made it through high school playing basketball. 32 points,. You suck.

Posted by: Steffan | April 20, 2008 11:13 AM | Report abuse

im not even gonna waste my time reading most of the biased trash comments on this site as i could tell which side of the fence most of the people are on. deshawn is a nobody (fact). it took him bashing lebron to climb out of obscurity (fact). the cavs are currently beating the wiz by almost 30 points in game 2 of a series they'll more than likely own (fact).

yeah lebron is so overrated. and the wizards are totally backing up their players' inability to keep their mouths shut.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 21, 2008 9:23 PM | Report abuse

If LeBron is so overrated, why did his team beat the Wizards by 30 points tonight?

Posted by: cc | April 21, 2008 9:47 PM | Report abuse

This nigga can't play and don't know what he talkin about Lebron Overrated he crazy

Posted by: United Stars | April 22, 2008 10:33 AM | Report abuse

I hope Deshawn sees this, an inferior player(Deshawn) which is averaging 31% from the field for the playoffs shouldnt be trash talking about Lebron. It just makes you look like an idiot buddy.

Posted by: Bryan | April 24, 2008 10:26 PM | Report abuse

deshawn who? that dude is garbage, straight up ...he aint got nothin on Lebron!

Posted by: Anonymous | April 27, 2008 2:13 PM | Report abuse

lebron is overrated he has not won anything he got swept in the finals allen iverson won a game in the finals i mean he couldnt lead his team to one win over the spurs just one he has no rings and i dont see one anytime soon kobes the closet to jordan

Posted by: deon | April 29, 2008 9:26 AM | Report abuse

kobe bryant,allen iverson,chris paul,amarie stoudemire, dwayne wade, thats 5 players who are better than lebron overrated james did i mention kobe 3 rings having bryant

Posted by: rylan | April 29, 2008 9:37 AM | Report abuse

okk plezz everyone, remember that lebron is top candidate in the mvp race
how in the world could he be overrated?
hes leading Deshawn Stevenson in scoring, assists, and rebounds
Deshawn Stevenson has to be the dumbest guy in the world to think that the king is overrated
give me a break
and lebron will embarrase him in game 6
believe me when i tell you

Posted by: Anonymous | May 1, 2008 9:36 PM | Report abuse

Wow, most of the folks on this blog are blind with rage. You'd all be loving King James if only we were unlucky enough to be stuck as a Wizard. All that matters is the Cavs won the series. Game 6 - 27 points, 13 rebounds, 13 assists - oh yeah, he's overrated - definitely - he really sucks. Deshawn is a hater who was unheard of prior to this series and will not be remembered this time next week. Andy Warhol was right - everyone - no matter how pathetic - has their 15 min. of fame. Deshawn is the professional athletic equivilent of the kid in grade school who ate glue for attention or the drunk, fat fan that runs across the field at a football game. Better luck next year Deshawn - you're perfect for DC, the Wizards and the DC fans!

Posted by: Anonymous | May 3, 2008 9:06 PM | Report abuse

Like my name who won? If Lebron is so overated why didn't Washington win? You have your own overated player. Arenas is always talking about how he's an assain but he couldn't even finish the series!!!!!!!

Posted by: Who Won???? | May 4, 2008 5:37 PM | Report abuse

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