Butler, Songaila updates

Caron Butler and Darius Songaila collided during practice today and sustained what the team hopes are minor injuries. Butler is day-to-day with a bruised right knee and Songaila is day-to-day with a mild left ankle sprain. X-rays on Butler's knee were negative (meaning no serious damage) but he was said to be walking with quite a limp after practice.

Coach Eddie Jordan said he hopes to have everyone available (except for Etan Thomas) against the Celtics tomorrow night. I'm still back home in Minnesota spending some quailty time with my ailing grandmother (she's got some tough juice in her as well) and will be meeting up with the team in Detroit Friday night.

Paul Tenorio covered practice yesterday and today and my main man Mike Lee is on the case tommorow night.

By Ivan Carter |  April 8, 2008; 4:58 PM ET
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u cant be serious everytime we get all three back something always happens

Posted by: brandon | April 8, 2008 5:22 PM

Thanks Ivan. Peace and love to your fam.

Posted by: Ben | April 8, 2008 5:27 PM

Ivan, hope your grandmother gets better!

Thanks for the update...

Our team is just plain injury prone....:(

Posted by: Anonymous | April 8, 2008 5:32 PM

The curse of Lez Boulez!

Posted by: WizFan | April 8, 2008 5:34 PM

a ivan this was brandon from the first comment i forgot to say hope your grandmother feels better

Posted by: brandon | April 8, 2008 5:38 PM

Best wishes to your grandmother. Don't let her use the Wizards team doctors.

Posted by: Sam | April 8, 2008 5:39 PM

I echo everything Sam said.

What I don't understand is how Caron's knee could come in contact with Songalia's ankle. Songalia's vertical is about 10 inches, which wouldn't bring his ankle up to Caron's knee.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 8, 2008 5:49 PM


Uh....April Fools?

Rather...meh, what's new? (speaking in terms of the Wizards/Bullets of course)

Best wishes to the fam Ivan.

Posted by: TruthAboutIt.net | April 8, 2008 5:55 PM

Seriously. These guys need to be extremely careful in practice. Why don't they were knee pads!!Or don't go 100%. In fact i don't care if they don't practice at all. Remaining injury free should be the only thing they practice. Get it together guys. No more stupid injuries.

Best wishes to you and yours Ivan.

Posted by: pope | April 8, 2008 6:17 PM

The Curse of Les Boulez lives on.

Posted by: Vishal | April 8, 2008 6:18 PM

Ivan, I hope everything turns out fine with your Grandma. Best wishes to you.

Posted by: Roman | April 8, 2008 6:28 PM

tough juice? more like soft boiled egg.
neva seen a guy with the nickname tough get hurt so often and so easily.

Posted by: dk | April 8, 2008 6:49 PM

Wishing your grandmother a speedy recovery Ivan - sorry to hear that.
As for Caron and the injury, how could that happen? If he's limping it doesnt sound too good.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 8, 2008 6:55 PM

Hey Ivan, hope your grandmother gets better = )

These are small injuries that shouldn't cause any problems with player developing chemistry. One thing I especially love about Arenas is his will to continue pushing the ball up court. This team is so exciting with Agent Zero out there.

Also, as the bench is a key component for any team wanting to make a playoff push, lets rank our bench players from most to least valuable (Assuming AD coming from the bench in the playoffs)

1) Antonio Daniels
2) Darius Songaila
3) Roger Mason Jr.
4) Andre Blache
5) Nick Young
6) Dominic McGuire (Great on D)
5) Stewie..i mean O pech

Eddie Jordan is going to have a tough decision whether to keep Daniels as the Starting PG in the postseason and bring Gilbert off the bench. I feel like Gilbert gives us a nice punch off the bench, and gives us a chance to spread out our start power throughout the course of the game. Great change of pace player too, kind of like Ben Gordon in Chicago, except Gilbert can pass and run a hell of alot better.

GO WIZARDS!

Posted by: rock | April 8, 2008 7:08 PM

Heartfelt prayers for your grandmother. May she recover for the playoffs. We're counting on her for some solid bench reporting so keep her away from the Wizards training staff.

Further prayers for Wizards nation that Mike covers the game from Washington's perspective and not Boston's.

Posted by: Free DC | April 8, 2008 7:48 PM

PLEASE IGNORE DCMAN 88, HE IS RUDE, VULGAR, AND IS ONLY HERE TO ANTAGONIZE MOST OF US ON WIZARDS INSIDER. DO NOT RESPOND TO HIM OR COMMENT ON HIS POSTS.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 8, 2008 7:50 PM

Further prayers for Wizards nation that Mike covers the game from Washington's perspective and not Boston's.

Posted by: Free DC | April 8, 2008 7:48 PM

Amen to that. I'd hate to read that the Boston Celtics lost to the "lowly" Washington Wizards, come Thursday morning...

Posted by: Rook | April 8, 2008 7:52 PM

Man, these injuries are killing me. I can't help but wonder how good the Wizards would have been this year and last, if everyone had been healthy. Just a shame.

I think this year they would have finished 2nd or 3rd in the East if healthy.

I didn't think this way at first, but I think the Cavs are the best 1st round matchup for the Wiz. The cavs are there for the taking. Their frontline is hurting (Illguskas, Ben, even Lebron) and they team hasn't had any chemistry since the their big trade. No one other than Lebron can score. I was worried when they got Wally, but he's stinking it up. Everyone other than Lebron is inconsistent.

Posted by: Bangladesh | April 8, 2008 8:19 PM

Rock, I agree the bench is better and a key to get to the playoffs, obviously. But, don't expect most of those players to get on the floor in the playoffs. With Arenas back for 20/25 mins a night, NY probably will see little time in the playoffs. McGuire, Pech, even Blatche will see little to NO time. Well, Blatche will play some. The bench in the playoffs will be Daniels, Songaila, and Mason with a sprinkle of Blatche. You can't start Arenas with such a limited time to get reacclimated to the team and presumably on a playing time limit. You can't change the chemistry that much at this point in the season.

Tough Juice - love the guy and he is tough considering his life experience, but he is injury prone as Arenas appears to be as well. Hell, nobody would really consider Darrell Green too "tough", but he was rarely injured in his extremely long football career. I guess sometimes it's luck combined with a certain bodily awareness in the midst of competition that keeps an athlete from being "injury prone". Some tough players just throw their bodies around and injuries occur as a result.

Anon and too all those always criticizing DCMan, your telling people to ignore him is in itself not ignoring him. Plus, he may post opinions you don't like, but a majority of the time the juvenile back and forth does not get STARTED by him. I have noticed this for some time now. So take your own advice and if he wants to vent on Arenas even off topic. So what? BTW, Arenas is not above criticism either.

Posted by: Rob P | April 8, 2008 8:31 PM

Best wishes, Ivan!

I am now in Minneapolis myself as a transplant from the DC region. One of the many things I've learned the last 4 years about the Minneapolis region is that it contains some of the very BEST health care in the WORLD. And it's not JUST the Mayo clinic that fosters that opinion although it's more fact than my opinion. There are many other clinics etc that are top notch. Anyway, I'm sure your grandmother is getting the very best care!

Again, sincerely best wishes!

Posted by: Rob P | April 8, 2008 8:41 PM

Ivan I hope your grandmother is doing better. Family support is important. I will put her up in prayer. Take your time getting back and don't worry about posting until you know she is doing better.......

Posted by: Bullets Fever #1 | April 8, 2008 9:21 PM

"Anon and too all those always criticizing DCMan, your telling people to ignore him is in itself not ignoring him. Plus, he may post opinions you don't like, but a majority of the time the juvenile back and forth does not get STARTED by him. I have noticed this for some time now. So take your own advice and if he wants to vent on Arenas even off topic. So what? BTW, Arenas is not above criticism either.

Posted by: Rob P | April 8, 2008 8:31 PM "

Amen. thanks.

Posted by: DC Man88 | April 8, 2008 9:24 PM

I am too above criticism!

Posted by: Gilby | April 8, 2008 10:16 PM

PLEASE IGNORE DCMAN 88, HE IS RUDE, VULGAR, AND IS ONLY HERE TO ANTAGONIZE MOST OF US ON WIZARDS INSIDER. DO NOT RESPOND TO HIM OR COMMENT ON HIS POSTS.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 8, 2008 10:33 PM

"I am too above criticism!

Posted by: Gilby | April 8, 2008 10:16 PM "

You wish loser.

Not if you're in the public eye and are so starved for acceptance and public love that it clouds your judgment.

You're the classic "there's no 'I' in team, but there's 'ME' phony.

Posted by: DC Man88 | April 8, 2008 10:41 PM

Why not rest most of the starters against Boston? What difference will beating or losing to Boston make? Rest AD, rest CB, rest AJ, and rest DS for the entire game. Rest DSong too. That way, they will have had almost an entire week of rest. It just makes too much sense.
Start NY, RM, Pech, AB and BH and bring DMac and GA off the bench for 15-20 min each.
This is what the good teams do at this time of year. EJ show some leadership and do it.

Posted by: oddjob | April 8, 2008 11:19 PM

Cleveland too is banged up. These teams are limping into the playoffs. . .

Posted by: robgoose | April 9, 2008 12:33 AM

I meant to note this earlier: My best to you and your family.

Posted by: robgoose2 | April 9, 2008 12:35 AM

Ivan, my thoughts are with you and your family, hope your Grandmother gets better.

PLEASE IGNORE DCMAN 88, HE IS RUDE, VULGAR, AND IS ONLY HERE TO ANTAGONIZE MOST OF US ON WIZARDS INSIDER. DO NOT RESPOND TO HIM OR COMMENT ON HIS POSTS.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 9, 2008 8:30 AM

If all the stars align tonight, the Nets will beat the LeBronless Cavs, Detroit will whoop up on Philly, and our Zards will put a beatdown on the Celts on National TV.

That will put us one game back from home court advantage...

PLEASE IGNORE DCMAN 88, HE IS RUDE, VULGAR, AND IS ONLY HERE TO ANTAGONIZE MOST OF US ON WIZARDS INSIDER. DO NOT RESPOND TO HIM OR COMMENT ON HIS POSTS.


Posted by: Wizfan2 | April 9, 2008 8:49 AM

Why not rest most of the starters against Boston? What difference will beating or losing to Boston make?

Posted by: oddjob | April 8, 2008 11:19 PM

And will you still feel that way if the Wizards lose to Boston - and end up only 1 game behind the 4th Playoff Seed and home court advantage?

Cleveland is slumping. Their Offense has fallen completely apart. The trade put that team into dissarray.

You play, until there's nothing more to play for. Boston has the #1 seed locked up. Detroit has #2. Orlando is locked in as #3. They can afford to rest starters.

The Wizards are trying to build some momentum, incorporate a new player (Arenas), and move up in the Standings to get the #4 seed. Why would they "rest" their starters? They had 4 days rest!!!

Posted by: Rook | April 9, 2008 8:52 AM

The Wizards are trying to build some momentum, incorporate a new player (Arenas), and move up in the Standings to get the #4 seed. Why would they "rest" their starters? They had 4 days rest!!!

Posted by: Rook | April 9, 2008 8:52 AM

Agree with this, to an extent. Healthy starters and bench players have no reason to take off against boston. They've had enough rest. This goes for Arenas too. However, it may be worth it to rest the nicked-up guys, especially Jamison. Jamison's and Butler's health are more important to this team than an extra home game against Cleveland. I'll take a road series with a healthy Jamison and Butler over a home series with those two battling injuries.

Posted by: psps23 | April 9, 2008 9:42 AM

However, it may be worth it to rest the nicked-up guys, especially Jamison. Jamison's and Butler's health are more important to this team than an extra home game against Cleveland.

Posted by: psps23 | April 9, 2008 9:42 AM

Jamison should be good to go. He's had a week to recover from the sprained shoulder. Depending on the extent of Butler's injury, he may sit. But from what I've read, he thinks he'll be ready. Anyone that has banged knees knows it hurts, but is not something that can get worse or better if he plays.

I personally believe that home court advantage will be a big difference for the Wizards - and they should play to win every game.

Posted by: Rook | April 9, 2008 9:59 AM

Rob P, if DC88 is allowed to and given lee way,(via your post), no one would be able to talk any sensible basketball because his posts would be filled with Gil hate and other vulgarities. Everyone that posts here understands he hates Gilbert but it is hard to read any viable posts when he goes on and on post after post about Gil. True he has a right to rag on Gil if he chooses, just like those of us who doesn't feel the same way have a right to voice our opionions as well. It just gets to be a little too much. Especially when the vile name calling and talking about people he doesn't know starts up and with out fail it usually does. We can all be critical if we choose without being downright mean, hateful and vile.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 9, 2008 10:21 AM

Resting our starts I believe is not a smart thing to do considering that the sixers and the raptors are just behind us a couple of games. A slip up by the team will not only cost them home court but may also face the Pistons in the first round and that my friend is a easy ticket to early vacation.

Posted by: Dave | April 9, 2008 10:43 AM

I don't think the plan for us(Wizards) is to rest the starters. The players want to get to the number 4 spot if possible and are all planning to play the rest of the games in order to get into playoff mode and to obtain that 4 spot. They are well aware that Phillie is nipping at their heels and cannot afford any slipups. Let's just hope we see them play the type of ball we know they are capable of these next 4 or 5 games.However, they may need not to be so intense in practice. Especially knowing how injury prone this team can be. I also read that Boston's big three will be playing at least 20 minutes tonight as well . You know they are looking for payback. I just hoped that we whip that tail again! Should be an exciting game. I have tickets for the Philly game and am excited about that game as well.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 9, 2008 10:50 AM

So Philly is playing Detroit, who just came off a loss last night against the Knicks where they didn't play their starters more than 20 mins (& Rip Hamilton sat out altogether), so it's safe to say that Philly's won't have to face the starters for more than 40% of the the game.

Boston is also coming off a loss last night, in OT, where their starters also didn't play more than 20 or so mins. Probably will follow the same suit tonight.

We just need to play hard for the full 48, Posey and the other benchmen for the Celts could do a lot of damage if we take them lightly. Detroit is next, I sure hope Arvis and Juan don't go ape-s*it on us...

Posted by: CN | April 9, 2008 10:56 AM

I think the Wiz need to blow out the C's tonight to send a message, even if they are resting their Big 3. Wouldn't hurt to demoralize their reserves in case we meet them in the playoffs.

Posted by: T-Train | April 9, 2008 11:08 AM

wizards are a possible 4th seed playoff team playin at home against another playoff team, who not only have nuthin to play for but are on the back end of a road bk to bk and the wizards are 14 point underdogs.

the sonics, a last place team, are 15 point dogs to houston.

wow talk about what people really think of les wiz. wheres rodney when you need him.

Posted by: dk | April 9, 2008 11:26 AM

Most coaches shorten the rotation in the playoffs. Jordan most likely won't go with more than 8 or 9 guys regularly, with maybe one more getting situational/spot duty. I would expect the bulk of the bench time to go to Arenas (I wouldn't be surprised if Jordan continues to bring Arenas off the bench in the playoffs, but lengthens his minutes), Songaila, and Mason, with Blatche mixed in. No one else is likely to see any real time barring foul trouble, injury, or blowout.

Posted by: kalorama | April 9, 2008 11:34 AM

That's okay. Let the pundits/talking heads say what they may. It is up to the team to prove the doubters wrong. I love my Wiz to death but I have to admit, you never know which team is going to show up. Hopefully, the defense minded,swag toting,crap talking Wiz will show up in these next games and push these teams back on their heels. Who knows, maybe they will read all of the negative press and have something to prove. A chip on the shoulder mentality would be nice. They seem to play harder that way.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 9, 2008 11:35 AM

DK, I've been thinking the same thing about CB. Eddie needs to scrap that 'tuff juice' shi*. Find another nickname if you need one but 'tuff' guys are guys that play even though they're hurting AND injured. Hacksaw Reynolds playing football with a broken leg, Ronnie Lott telling the doc to amputate the tip of his finger..THAT's tough. Caron is a great player but he's fragile.

Posted by: mark | April 9, 2008 11:38 AM

Judging from the fact that Boston put their starters back in the OT against Bucks, I have a feeling they will play their starters (if nothing, to send a message for the playoff) tonight, and will only pull them out if there is a big lead either way.

Posted by: Sagaliba | April 9, 2008 11:38 AM

Les BouleS should have tanked the rest of their games. This year's draft lottery is going to have a some good talent.

Posted by: DC Man88 | April 9, 2008 11:40 AM

"Rob P, if DC88 is allowed to and given lee way,(via your post), no one would be able to talk any sensible basketball because his posts would be filled with Gil hate and other vulgarities. Everyone that posts here understands he hates Gilbert but it is hard to read any viable posts when he goes on and on post after post about Gil. True he has a right to rag on Gil if he chooses, just like those of us who doesn't feel the same way have a right to voice our opionions as well. It just gets to be a little too much. Especially when the vile name calling and talking about people he doesn't know starts up and with out fail it usually does. We can all be critical if we choose without being downright mean, hateful and vile.

Posted by: | April 9, 2008 10:21 AM "

Once again, another anonymous troll that doesn't make any sense and totally missed Rob P.'s point that my posts are in response to other's attack on me.

Posted by: DC Man88 | April 9, 2008 11:42 AM

Hilarious.

People screamed bloody murder at Jordan for not forcing Butler to sit when he first injured his hip, even though Butler himself said he was good to go, and blamed him for causing the tear in his labrum. Now they're piling on Caron for being soft because he supposedly doesn't play hurt.

Un-effing-believable.

Posted by: kalorama | April 9, 2008 11:44 AM

RobP, It's one thing to talk about a bet (that's disputed) and a completely different thing to talk about Lefty Driesell, horses and mothers. This blog is much better without the horse talk. None of your posts have that stuff in them so I'm sure you get tired of it, too. Any sane person would.
As far as criticizing GA, I'm all for it if it's related to what's going on on the court. GA talks too much, loves attention and has woman problems. I say 'so what' as long as he can rack up points, assists, rebounds and wins.
Lastly, we need to find out who on this Wizards team ran over the old gypsy woman or read from the ancient demon scroll. This bad luck is getting ridiculous. I'm telling you guys...GWiz is Bad Luck Schleprock in disguise. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schleprock

Posted by: mark | April 9, 2008 11:47 AM

Kal, I'm not piling on CB for getting hurt and I really don't think he should play hurt at all. We need him healthy. I understand that there have been freak injuries, too. I'm just tired of the nickname. I don't get why a guy who's never made it to 80 games in his career is called 'tuff'. It must be his style of play or demeanor that EJ is referring to. For the record, I think he's a great player who's undersized yet still one of the best in the game at his position. Don't know if you're a Skins fan and it's easier to find tough guys in football but I thought Kelvin Bryant was a great player and I liked Pervis Ellison here, as well. Those guys were also hurt a lot but no one called them tuff. A guy like Portis...now HE'S tough.

Posted by: mark | April 9, 2008 11:52 AM

But I get your point, Kal. No more negativity from me for the team. I think we have a chance at being the sleeper team in the playoffs and getting to the Finals. Seriously! We have the firepower. The only question is whether we can ratchet up the rebounding and defensive intensity a bit. We also need to make sure we keep the turnovers down.

Posted by: mark | April 9, 2008 11:57 AM

mark, you seem to be completely missing the point.

The source of the nickname is not a head scratcher, and it's something that's been explained repeatedly in interviews with Jordan and articles about Butler. He gave him that name because of Butler's attitude and style of play when he's on the court. He goes all out, is physical, never quits on a play, and is willing to give up his body. It has nothing to do with how often he does or doesn't get injured, beyond the obvious fact that a guy who plays with the kind of physical abandon Caron does is more likely to get hurt. If he played soft and careful and avoided contact he could probably play all 82 every season. But if he did that he wouldn't be the All-Star player the Wiz depend on. The risk of getting hurt is the price guys pay for leaving it all out on the floor.

Posted by: kalorama | April 9, 2008 11:59 AM

Great post Kalaorama. It is nice to see someone else whose sole intent isn't focused on pointing out all the negatives with the team. I don't understand why we can't rally around and support the team like the Cap fans are supporting the Caps. Just my two cents.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 9, 2008 12:14 PM

Regardless of whether you like his nickname or not Caron has to set the tone for this team. If they don't play with his personality they can't play good enough defense to win in the playoffs. Thats another reason that Gilbert should continue coming off the bench.

Posted by: Monte | April 9, 2008 12:37 PM

kalorama praising himself?

Posted by: Anonymous | April 9, 2008 12:37 PM

"RobP, It's one thing to talk about a bet (that's disputed) and a completely different thing to talk about Lefty Driesell, horses and mothers. This blog is much better without the horse talk. None of your posts have that stuff in them so I'm sure you get tired of it, too. Any sane person would.
As far as criticizing GA, I'm all for it if it's related to what's going on on the court. GA talks too much, loves attention and has woman problems. I say 'so what' as long as he can rack up points, assists, rebounds and wins.
Lastly, we need to find out who on this Wizards team ran over the old gypsy woman or read from the ancient demon scroll. This bad luck is getting ridiculous. I'm telling you guys...GWiz is Bad Luck Schleprock in disguise. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schleprock

Posted by: mark | April 9, 2008 11:47 AM "

Get a life mark.....stick to discussions about Les BouleS and how you think they are a finals team.

LMAO!!!!

Posted by: DC Man88 | April 9, 2008 12:57 PM

The name "Tough Juice" was coined by EJ who said his teammates need to drink some of the tough juice Caron's drinking.

Posted by: DC Man88 | April 9, 2008 12:58 PM

"

Regardless of whether you like his nickname or not Caron has to set the tone for this team. If they don't play with his personality they can't play good enough defense to win in the playoffs. Thats another reason that Gilbert should continue coming off the bench.

Posted by: Monte | April 9, 2008 12:37 PM "

That's a great reason why Gilby should be a sixth man. Just come off the bench as instant offense, b/c for sure, there's no defense there. Be like a Vinnie "Microwave" Johnson or a Ben Gordon.

Posted by: DC Man88 | April 9, 2008 2:47 PM

thoughts and prayers go out to your gram in 'Sota.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 9, 2008 3:00 PM

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