Wiz-Cs Part IV

Big game tonight at Verizon Center - for the Wizards at least - with the Boston Celtics in town. Antawn Jamison participated in the morning shootaround today and will start. There won't be a dramatic, Arenas-like entrance. He won't come in wearing a sling on his arm, rip it off then flex for the crowd. He will be introduced with the other starters.

"You know me," said Jamison, adding that Gilbert's ode to Willis Reed last week threw off the team some when the game against Milwaukee started. "We was like, 'Where is he?' "


Naw, I know I'm pointing with my left, but the right shoulder is cool. (Photo by Ned Dishman/NBAE via Getty Images)

And everybody here knows what happened that night. Jamison certainly can't forget. He said he didn't think he'd back after missing just two games, but he felt good this morning and the shoulder is better. He joked that he's been pumping iron and didn't feel any complications - which is rather impressive, considering that Jamison said he had trouble lifting his arm above his head as recently as Monday.

Caron Butler and Darius Songaila appeared to be fine after their collision on Monday, so Coach Eddie Jordan should have his full complement of players - with the exception of Etan Thomas, who has been practicing but isn't expected to be back any time soon. A league source said the team still hasn't ruled out Thomas for the rest of the season, altough Thomas is still having some difficulty with his wind during practices.

I'm not sure how the Celtics will approach this game, since Coach Doc Rivers has been resting up his players as they get ready for the playoffs - Paul Pierce, Kevin Garnett and Ray Allen all played fewer than 23 minutes last night in their overtime win against Milwaukee and didn't play at all against Charlotte on Saturday.

Boston has won seven straight and really doesn't need the game, having wrapped up homecourt throughout the playoffs - but payback could be in the back of the brain for the Celtics. They surely have memories of that last meeting in January, when the Wizards came back from 13 down in the final six minutes to pull out one of the most surprising wins of the season.

"That's one thing about this team. Any time we get down, or things don't look good, we never put our heads down. We always stay confident. We always believe we can win," said Jamison. "That's a good trait to have. A lot of teams can't do that. But it shows what we're capable of doing. We understand that, we realize that."

What the Wizards will have to prove that they are capable of doing is winning a season series against the team with the best record in basketball. Right now, Orlando and Washington are the only teams with winning records against Boston. The Wizards could become the only team with three wins over the Celtics this season.

I also came across a pretty interesting note today. These next five games are of extreme importance if they want to catch Cleveland for fourth. They would have to pretty much win out and hope the Cavs go 3-2 (right now, the Wizards have a better conference record if the teams wind up even).

But also, if the Wizards can defeat Detroit on Friday, Philadelphia on Saturday and Orlando in the season finale, they wouldn't have a losing record against any of the top eight teams in the Eastern Conference.

The Wizards are 2-1 against Boston; 1-1 against Detroit; 1-2 against Orlando; 2-2 against Cleveland; 3-1 against Toronto; 1-2 against Philadelpiha; and 2-2 against Atlanta. What does that mean? Not much. The playoffs are a totally different animal.

But not bad to know you can beat these teams, huh?

By Michael Lee |  April 9, 2008; 1:23 PM ET
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Posted by: Anonymous | April 9, 2008 1:32 PM

Like I said, no more negativity from me. I could really not care less about nicknames. I just want us to win. It just puzzled me. That's it. Also, the boycott of ' ' continues. I disagree that our record against good teams doesn't matter, though. Confidence is very important in this league. We lost to the Heat 827 times in a row not because we didn't have the talent. It was because they knew they could beat us and we doubted ourselves. Knowing that we can beat any of the guys seeded above us is huge.

Posted by: mark | April 9, 2008 1:37 PM

I agree completely Mike, the playoffs are a different animal and those records don't mean anything except like you said, "to know you can beat these teams". As long as you know you've beat them once, you can beat them again is all that matters. The Wiz, for the most part, can compete and match up against almost any team in the league. That's the confidence the team has this year and it's shown in their fight all season long.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 9, 2008 1:48 PM

I believe we have a chance to go all the way... with a little luck.. we are just as good as any other team in the Eastern Conference when healthy... can the team mesh in the next 5 games? We'll see

Posted by: Dante | April 9, 2008 2:10 PM

I totally agree with the poster in the last blog entry who said that he'd prefer to have the guys healthy with a 7 seed than banged up with the 4 seed. Completely healthy, we are dangerous no matter who we play.
This is a generalization, but a lot of great defensive teams don't score a ton of points. In the playoffs, this is intensified and points are at a premium.
Since scoring is our forte, all we have to do is play decent defense and we should be ahead of the game. I think it's probably harder for an average offensive team to score points that it is for an average defensive team to play defense. Offense takes skill while defense takes heart and hustle. Again, it's just my opinion but I think we can play defense well enough to get us pretty far...assuming that our O is on point as usual.

Posted by: mark | April 9, 2008 2:44 PM

Just a note -- Since Washington currently has a better conference record than Cleveland, the Wiz need to win out and Cleveland to go 3-2 for the Wiz to grab the 4th seed. All the remaining games for both teams are against Eastern Conference teams -- there is no scenario where the Wiz could tie Cleveland and have a worse Conference record.

Posted by: Chad | April 9, 2008 2:53 PM

A professional, no-nonsense effort is what is needed here. No screwing around like the Bucks game. Get on top early and when the Celtics go to the bench, really push the pedal so the Celtics just bag it for the evening.

Posted by: George Templeton | April 9, 2008 2:54 PM

The Wiz players are as skilled a group as any in the East. However, do they have a winning formula for the playoffs? Probably not. Check out the teams that let up the fewest points per game, and you have your list of favorites for the NBA crown. BTW, on that list, you'll see why Phily has been winning of late.

Posted by: Izman | April 9, 2008 2:55 PM

The basic truth is that almost no team makes it to the playoffs fully healthy. Sitting Jamison and Butler and Daniels the rest of the season might make them marginally less sore, but it's not nearly enough time to make injuries that have been dogging them all season go away. Daniels and Butler are going to need wrist surgery after the season. No amount of rest is going to change that. The downside of them losing momentum and falling out of rhythm from a period of prolonged inactivity far outweighs the marginal health effects of a few extra days rest at this stage of the season.

"I think it's probably harder for an average offensive team to score points that it is for an average defensive team to play defense."

It's never easy for a team to do something they aren't accustomed to doing. But offense is usually easier for most players because they're more used to playing it. If playing defense was as easy as just doing it, the Wizards would be a lot better at it than they traditionally have been.

Posted by: kalorama | April 9, 2008 2:58 PM

So who would have thought that we would have a some chance of a home team advantage in the first round with all of these injuries? Been a great season regardless.

Gil coming off the bench will be a huge mismatch advantage for us in the playoffs. Putting aside the fact the skill advantage and the scoring he brings into play against second teamers, the refs really work the playoffs to favor superstars. Gil running into LeBron on a drive is a 50/50 block/charge call - running into Delonte or someone scrubbier in the same situation results in a block 90% of the time.

While Antawn and Caron have clearly been the cream of the team as expected this year, Songalia (particularly in the last 15 games) and Haywood (all year) are really the reason the team was able to step up notwitstanding all the injuries. The three headed Mason/DeShawn/Young 2 guard has also been strong - almost every game one of them has stepped up. I hope the team doesn't forget that when we get to the playoffs.

This is also a huge game for an up to now unstated reason: The over/under on wins for the Wizards this season in Vegas was 40, so for the third year in the row the Wizards (assuming they can pull one of the last five out) will be going over on season wins. Just another example of the lack of respect this team gets, but one that can be used to a fan's advantage.

All I want to hear in the playoffs is the set of bars that they play with about 5 seconds left in a game we have won - Dunh da-dunh da-duh, da-duh, daaa-dunnnnh!!!

cj

Posted by: charles jones | April 9, 2008 3:53 PM

"Someone scrubbier." Scrubbier is a great new word, CJ!

When are we going to revisit all the "experts" who predicted the Wizards were going to finish 12th or 13th in the East this season? Who's got some free time and can pull together that list? Hollinger and Bill Simmons for starters.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 9, 2008 4:01 PM

national game tonight...who thinks Gil starts??

Posted by: Crunkenstein | April 9, 2008 4:12 PM

fyi...The Celtics reserves played more minutes than the starters in the overtime game in Milwaukee last night, so KG, Pierce, Allen etc. are relatively fresh. On the other hand, if Rivers continues to play them limited minutes, the Wiz might have a bit of an edge, energy wise, when they've got their second five in.

Arenas starting? I'd rather see him coming off the bench in this one. That would give the C's major matchup headaches, since Sam Cassell is out with a back injury.

Posted by: John Brisker | April 9, 2008 4:22 PM

I concur on calling out the folks who predicted the wiz to blow - Simmons as I recall downgraded his initial season wins for the Wiz from 39 to 29 at one point.

Tho I love the man cause he speaks his mind, by far the worst disrespector of the Wiz is Mr. Barkley.

Posted by: charles jones | April 9, 2008 5:03 PM

From November 2007, Bill Simmons wrote:
"WASHINGTON WIZARDS
Preseason prediction: 39 wins (11th)
Revised prediction: 29 wins (13th)

I picked the Wizards to miss the playoffs for three reasons: Gilbert Arenas' lingering knee problems, an improved Eastern Conference and contract years for two of their top three (Arenas and Antawn Jamison). You know what happens when two of the three best guys on a struggling team are in contract years? Everyone starts gunning for his own stats, and the situation turns nastier than the first 30 minutes of "Eddie" right before Whoopi Goldberg took over. And even then, you might be able to get away with some selfishness as long as everyone's playing defense, but the Wiz have been abysmal defensively for three years and counting. So what's left? Why does anyone think this is a playoff team?"

_____

Why does anyone think this guy knows diddly squat?

Posted by: Rook | April 9, 2008 5:35 PM

we're 3-2 against the cavs

Posted by: Anonymous | April 9, 2008 6:03 PM

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!

The game is also on ESPN tonight!!!!

No brainer there, even for a guy like GM.

Posted by: DC Man88 | April 9, 2008 7:16 PM

"Like I said, no more negativity from me. I could really not care less about nicknames. I just want us to win. It just puzzled me. That's it. Also, the boycott of ' ' continues. I disagree that our record against good teams doesn't matter, though. Confidence is very important in this league. We lost to the Heat 827 times in a row not because we didn't have the talent. It was because they knew they could beat us and we doubted ourselves. Knowing that we can beat any of the guys seeded above us is huge.

Posted by: mark | April 9, 2008 1:37 PM "

You're an idiot mark. You lost all credibility when you said Les BouleS are a a finals team. Whatevah...

Posted by: DC Man88 | April 9, 2008 7:18 PM

Great analysis by the ESPN commentator.

DS throw up a long bomb, doesn't get back on D, and then Celtics finish with 2 on the break.

It's going to be an interesting game tonight between Pierce and Caron. Too bad the Post didn't whet our appetites with this key matchup.

Posted by: DC Man88 | April 9, 2008 7:20 PM

Go Gilbert! lol

Posted by: B.A.M. | April 9, 2008 7:45 PM

Lol, DCman is telling someone they have no credibility?

I think you lost all credibility too when you wanted some Sun Ming Ming signed, and thought the Wiz could snag Coby Karl (as if he would be some help anyway) right off the Lakers with no strings attached. Crazy.

Posted by: Steven | April 9, 2008 8:11 PM

"Lol, DCman is telling someone they have no credibility?

I think you lost all credibility too when you wanted some Sun Ming Ming signed, and thought the Wiz could snag Coby Karl (as if he would be some help anyway) right off the Lakers with no strings attached. Crazy.

Posted by: Steven | April 9, 2008 8:11 PM "

LOL!!!

Steven is an IDIOT!!!

Posted by: DC Man88 | April 9, 2008 9:39 PM

i like to touch little boys

Posted by: DC Man88 | April 9, 2008 9:41 PM

"Lol, DCman is telling someone they have no credibility?

I think you lost all credibility too when you wanted some Sun Ming Ming signed, and thought the Wiz could snag Coby Karl (as if he would be some help anyway) right off the Lakers with no strings attached. Crazy.

Posted by: Steven | April 9, 2008 8:11 PM "

LOL!!!

Steven is an IDIOT!!!

Posted by: DC Man88 | April 9, 2008 9:39 PM

I love how you presented your opinion, which is not explained nor back by anything, as a fact. Keep up the usual ;)

Posted by: B.A.M. | April 9, 2008 9:42 PM

"I love how you presented your opinion, which is not explained nor back by anything, as a fact. Keep up the usual ;)

Posted by: B.A.M. | April 9, 2008 9:42 PM "

LOL!

As if I have to explain anything to anonymous freaks who post with multiple names. Keep wishing.

LMAO!!!

Posted by: DC Man88 | April 9, 2008 9:54 PM

Great team effort by the Wiz tonight. I am really intrigued with Gil off the bench. I realize this cannot continue for long but it is a rare thing to have a 2nd unit come in and dramatically quicken the pace of the game. All sorts of matchup issues for any 2nd unit.

Boston must be feeling a little like Dallas last year eyeing a potential Golden State matchup.

Posted by: Dr. Strangelove | April 9, 2008 9:55 PM

LOL!

As if I have to explain anything to anonymous freaks who post with multiple names. Keep wishing.

LMAO!!!

Posted by: DC Man88 | April 9, 2008 9:54 PM

Multiple names? I only post with one. Once again, you post your opinions as facts without providing evidence to back your claims that come out of nowhere.

Posted by: B.A.M. | April 9, 2008 9:59 PM

"Multiple names? I only post with one. Once again, you post your opinions as facts without providing evidence to back your claims that come out of nowhere.

Posted by: B.A.M. | April 9, 2008 9:59 PM "

I feel sorry for you that your own personal expectations are out of whack. If you think anyone owes you anything, that shows how stupid you are.

Enjoy the win against the Celtics moron! It was great.

Posted by: DC Man88 | April 9, 2008 10:08 PM

I feel sorry for you that your own personal expectations are out of whack. If you think anyone owes you anything, that shows how stupid you are.

Enjoy the win against the Celtics moron! It was great.

Posted by: DC Man88 | April 9, 2008 10:08 PM

Hmm...back to insults again.

Posted by: B.A.M. | April 9, 2008 10:10 PM

"Hmm...back to insults again.

Posted by: B.A.M. | April 9, 2008 10:10 PM "

Didn't you get the memo from an anonymous person (Lisa) on this blog to ignore me?

Here it is for your reference:

PLEASE IGNORE DCMAN 88, HE IS RUDE, VULGAR, AND IS ONLY HERE TO ANTAGONIZE MOST OF US ON WIZARDS INSIDER. DO NOT RESPOND TO HIM OR COMMENT ON HIS POSTS.

Posted by: DC Man88 | April 9, 2008 10:15 PM

Didn't you get the memo from an anonymous person (Lisa) on this blog to ignore me?

Here it is for your reference:

PLEASE IGNORE DCMAN 88, HE IS RUDE, VULGAR, AND IS ONLY HERE TO ANTAGONIZE MOST OF US ON WIZARDS INSIDER. DO NOT RESPOND TO HIM OR COMMENT ON HIS POSTS.

Posted by: DC Man88 | April 9, 2008 10:15 PM

I guess not, I don't spend all my time here.

But I can see why she would say that.

Posted by: B.A.M. | April 9, 2008 10:19 PM

"I guess not, I don't spend all my time here.

But I can see why she would say that.

Posted by: B.A.M. | April 9, 2008 10:19 PM "

Good, take the advice.

Posted by: DC Man88 | April 9, 2008 10:21 PM

Six players in double numbers,great effort by Antwan as usual like I said this is a very dangerous team, with Gil comming off the bench it gives this squad a whole new look AB, DS, RMjr,NY and GA along with DMAC makes this team special say what you will but the Cavaliers are in for a can of whup ass come playoff time!!!!!!!!!!!!!.

Posted by: DARGREGMAG@AOL.COM | April 9, 2008 10:26 PM

PLEASE IGNORE DCMAN 88, HE IS RUDE, VULGAR, AND IS ONLY HERE TO ANTAGONIZE MOST OF US ON WIZARDS INSIDER. DO NOT RESPOND TO HIM OR COMMENT ON HIS POSTS.

Posted by: CJ Baltimore | April 9, 2008 10:29 PM

The Village Idiot is at it again...he claims that I posted the comments above (I did not) and also claims that I post many other things throughout the day.

Get this through your THICK skull, Village Idiot...I have a JOB (obviously you do not)..I am at work all day. I have far better things to do than spend my time reading your "online journal" since this blog has primarily turned into 24/7 posting by you and people hating on you...

You do not matter to me...although I should pity you.

Posted by: Lisa | April 9, 2008 10:29 PM

Can we keep the non-basketball related talk out of this blog? It pains me to sort through all of this bickering when all i am looking for is quality basketball talk.

Great win for the Wiz.

Posted by: Josh | April 9, 2008 10:32 PM

It isn't that I do not have any thing to do other than comment on a blog. Is it just that I am able to type with one hand while I pleasure myself to videos of Gilby running in slow motion with the other hand.

Posted by: DC Man88 | April 9, 2008 10:35 PM

"The Village Idiot is at it again...he claims that I posted the comments above (I did not) and also claims that I post many other things throughout the day.

Get this through your THICK skull, Village Idiot...I have a JOB (obviously you do not)..I am at work all day. I have far better things to do than spend my time reading your "online journal" since this blog has primarily turned into 24/7 posting by you and people hating on you...

You do not matter to me...although I should pity you.

Posted by: Lisa | April 9, 2008 10:29 PM "

The village ho vampira awakens...of course, it's night time....smelling like deep fry oil.

Posted by: DC Man88 | April 9, 2008 10:35 PM

I'm a ho and like to pleasure myself too.

Posted by: Lisa | April 9, 2008 10:36 PM

Lisa, do you use deep fry oil for lube?

BAM!

Posted by: B.A.M. | April 9, 2008 10:37 PM

What a statement tonight against the top team in the league. I like the fact that they brought KG and Pierce back late in the 4th but still could not overcome the Wiz.

I'm still a little concerned with the way the Wiz defend the 3 pt. shot. The celtics had too many open threes tonight.

Gotta love that baseline dunk by AJ, the guy is our MVP.

I was thinking, we're all hoping to catch the Cavs for the fourth spot, but is there a scenario where Philly could move in to the fifth spot. If so, I'm not sure who I would like to play more, the Cavs or Philly?

PLEASE IGNORE DCMAN 88, HE IS RUDE, VULGAR, AND IS ONLY HERE TO ANTAGONIZE MOST OF US ON WIZARDS INSIDER. DO NOT RESPOND TO HIM OR COMMENT ON HIS POSTS.

Posted by: CJ Baltimore | April 9, 2008 10:39 PM

BJ Baltimore blows.

Posted by: Ryan Seacrest | April 9, 2008 10:40 PM

I agree, anything associated with Baltimore has got to suck...

Posted by: Bob Irsay | April 9, 2008 10:43 PM

c'mon guys. we beat the celtics, it was a good victory, even though we didn't gain any ground in the standings(though we didn't lose any either.) can't we talk about the team tonight? or at least the next two games against Detroit then Philly, which are huge?

All this bickering has just ruined the comments section. Its not even interesting or amusing, just boring and stale.

Posted by: andy | April 9, 2008 10:44 PM

I agree. The Wiz showed a lot of toughness and didn't back down. I think Paul P. is going to eat his words for talking down to Caron. Boston has 3 high level starters, but no bench whatsoever. It'll be interesting to see what Cassell can add to the mix.

What the Wiz need to work on after this game is their transition defense and fewer wild shots. Gilbert provided a spark and took advantage of their bench warmer guards while playing the lanes and getting steals, but only shot 5-14. I mean, he took 4 more shots than Caron, but played 18 fewer minutes.

I wonder if he's going to get fined for wearing those red and yellow shoes.

Posted by: Marion Barry | April 9, 2008 10:53 PM

Hey, I'll bet DC Man88's ugly-ass Starbury shoes don't match his shirt and pants neither, and I don't see David Stern threatening to fine him. Where's the justice?

Posted by: Gilby | April 9, 2008 11:17 PM

"Hey, I'll bet DC Man88's ugly-ass Starbury shoes don't match his shirt and pants neither, and I don't see David Stern threatening to fine him. Where's the justice?

Posted by: Gilby | April 9, 2008 11:17 PM "

Gilby is obviously stupid. Stern only rules the NBA world.

BTW, EEOC needs to crack down on Stern. Not enough majorities represented in the league relative to the population in the US.

Posted by: Long Duck Dong | April 9, 2008 11:30 PM

I loved this win. Gilbert had some excellent assists (I counted at least 2 astounding no-look assists); Darius had some great bank shots (especially early in the game) and closed people out really well on defense; Antawn played with real ferocity (I've never seen him dunk like the one he put down on KG) and played tough defense late; Brendan rebounded well, was active on offense and played good defense; Antonio was aggressive and created plays for his teammates (and opened some space for them, too); Deshawn hit a couple of major 3's late; and Roger "Business" Mason drilled one nice long range jumper late (yes, the man is all business).

I wish that Caron had been a little more aggressive. Maybe he's bothered by that recent injury?

Beating the #1 team in the league three times out of four is meaningful. And they have a winning record against the #1 team in the West (NOH) as well. This is a win for the team to be proud of, and to build upon.

Posted by: satch | April 9, 2008 11:49 PM

"I wish that Caron had been a little more aggressive. Maybe he's bothered by that recent injury?

Posted by: satch | April 9, 2008 11:49 PM "


What game were you watching? Caron almost averaged a triple double....13 pts, 10 assists, 7 boards...but had 7 to's.

http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=280409027

I thought KG was going to slap Perkins silly for missing those 2 great passes under the bucket. Celtics just don't have any beef in the paint (Perkins and PJ Brown suck), and 1 guards suck.

Posted by: DC Man88 | April 10, 2008 12:03 AM

Gilby didn't start (knowing his erratic behavior, I would expect it), which was a bummer because I would have LOVED to see more no-look behind-the-back dimes. Still, his jumper is off--as the commentators alluded, this is probably a conditioning thing. Hopefully he will have his wind by the playoffs, because he looks great at the start of his minutes.

Still, Gilbert the 6th man is a great change-of-pace guy to have...anyone notice how quickly the offense jumped into second gear once he hit the court? When the Big 3 were together for the first part of the first quarter tonight, I saw one hell of a team. Next year, it might be a championship team the way this team is growing.

This year also was a great one because it made Butler and Jamison put the teams on their backs, and developed them into amazing talents. You now have three all-stars on one team, with a budding one in NY. You have a solid bench if you lock up Songaila and Mason. Unsold on Pech, but DMac is a force in the making.

Who thinks the Wiz go pretty deep into the playoffs this year? I'm raising my hand.

Posted by: Crunkenstein | April 10, 2008 12:42 AM

@Rob P, you point about the DC Mango not starting crap on the boards?... summarily toasted tonight.

"No brainer there, even for a guy like GM."

Was his first post.

"You're an idiot mark."

Second.

For someone who has so many problems with Gilbert's spotlight seeking ways the Mango just can't seem to get by without calling attention to itself.

Let's not hear about how he generally posts good comments then gets baited. He is clearly the baiter.

That said, great win tonight, good to see them make a bit of a statement as they close the season.

I thought ESPN coverage was fairly average, but I was working till midway through the 2nd half.

Posted by: sodumb | April 10, 2008 12:58 AM

Hallelujah!!! First time all season where I saw REAL potential in this team. As in, we have real potential in the playoffs THIS YEAR - conference finals a possibility, maybe. Can we play this well consistently? Were the Celtics still cruising somewhat although their Big 3 played more than some thought they would? We'll see, but I REALLY enjoyed watching this game especially on ESPN in HD. We showed the league something tonight!

AJ was a beast this game - big props. Some of the warrior mentality of Butler and Stevenson has seemed to rub off on him. He's no longer as soft as he was earlier in his career and he seemed to snap out of a couple week lull this game. He was probably a little worn down from carrying the team this season.

Crunkenstein, assuming we sign Arenas and Jamison, this team is already basically locked up for the next 2/3 years. You mentioned Songalia, but he has at least 2 years left on his contract if not 3. Mason is the only guy that is almost certain not to return. One, we won't have the money if we sign the other 2 guys. Two, I think NY will be a adequate replacement for his minutes - most likely an upgrade!

I think you saw our playoff rotation tonight! No DMac, NY, or Pech. Would like to see NY get some exposure in the playoffs, but I guess it all depends.

Posted by: Rob P | April 10, 2008 1:10 AM

"I wish that Caron had been a little more aggressive. Maybe he's bothered by that recent injury?

Posted by: satch | April 9, 2008 11:49 PM "

What game were you watching? Caron almost averaged a triple double....13 pts, 10 assists, 7 boards...but had 7 to's.
Posted by: DC Man88 | April 10, 2008 12:03 AM

We've seen it in multiple games this season: Caron has the ability to fill the stat sheet even when he's not playing at the top of his game. His assists are telling, though - it may be that he was drawing too much attention after his offensive explosion in their last matchup. Kudos to Caron for creating for others, he's improved his game in all facets this season.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 10, 2008 1:10 AM

Sodumb, I noticed that as well. But, everyone else has to look at the part they play. DCMan, Mark, GM and quite a few others have a long running feud now. I'm just tired of all of it, bc I have to navigate around it when I read the blog. I FIND ALL THE OTHER POSTS ABOUT IGNORING HIM MORE ANNOYING THAN HIS POSTS. If all the antagonizers took their own advice without announcing it every time, well then I'm sure it would just go away.

Posted by: Rob P | April 10, 2008 1:15 AM

I agree with the notion that somebody put out there that Butler was a little tentative and not as aggressive as he usually is. How many drives to the basket did he have? I missed the 1st qtr, but I don't recall any. He settled for jumpers. He has about 10 lingering injuries now and I think that has something to do with it. I hope he gets to the playoffs with only 2/3 lingering injuries and then don't sleep on the Wiz!

It's a tribute to how good he is that he had a "bad" game, but still put up those numbers. That's when you enter superstar territory! He also had 7 turnovers with a few of his passes being damn near atrocious.

Posted by: Rob P | April 10, 2008 1:25 AM

I know I'm nitpicking, but the GA and AD duo looked very awkward on the court together tonignt. It seems like GA doesnt know his role, when AD is on the court with him.

Posted by: obbjob | April 10, 2008 1:33 AM

My real name is DC Fairy88.

Everyone knows why: I luv Gilby!

Sashay!

I am also known as Clewiston88, or "ClueLess."

Posted by: DC Man88 | April 10, 2008 1:37 AM

PLEASE IGNORE DCMAN 88, HE IS gay, RUDE, VULGAR, AND IS ONLY HERE TO ANTAGONIZE MOST OF US ON WIZARDS INSIDER. DO NOT RESPOND TO HIM OR COMMENT ON HIS POSTS.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 10, 2008 1:38 AM

IF AD and GA are on court together GA should take all of Ads shots for him :)

From the stats it looks as though GA played a simple game. What up with caron and 7 turnovers? almost a quadruple double.

I don't care if the Cs were cruising a bit because we are tuning up too.

Rob, while agree all CAPS posting is a drag and repetitive I just think we can call a spade a spade. The Mango has perpetuated this situation... Long standing feud or not. I don't give a rats ass about calling people dumb. (as you can tell) but Mango insists on driving this board to the junk heap. I won't blame Lisa or GM for his turds. Plus he is always whining about something... that is worse than anything.

Posted by: Sodumb | April 10, 2008 2:06 AM

...point is that we can rest the instigation issue. Mango gets punchy if nobody is talking about him...

Posted by: Sodumb | April 10, 2008 2:09 AM

I AM NOT GAY PLEASE...I AM TRISEXUAL...I WILL TRY IT WITH ANY ANIMAL.

Posted by: DC Man88 | April 10, 2008 2:12 AM

Yes, I like the attention

Posted by: DC Man88 | April 10, 2008 2:14 AM

Sodumb, this is the last of me commenting on the whole DCMan whatever. If those dudes stop antagonizing things will be fine, which includes others like yourself even commenting on it. I've seen where he has been posting normal blog opinions on his own for periods of time without any mention of anybody else on here and then someone will come along and antagonize and then BOOM the fireworks begin. By the way, my ALL CAPS statement did not refer just to the ALL CAPS "warnings" about DCMan. It was referring to all conversations and remarks in it or about it like the one we're having now. No mas! Antagonize and prolong if you like. I've commented in here for quite awhile without ever having any tit for tat name calling with him. It's possible if you try!

Posted by: Rob P | April 10, 2008 6:24 AM

Lisa, do you use deep fry oil for lube?

BAM!

Posted by: B.A.M. | April 9, 2008 10:37 PM

I didn't say that...

Posted by: B.A.M. | April 10, 2008 6:26 AM

RobP, If you read MY posts carefully, you'll see that I have no feud. I haven't insulted or 'antagonized' since some time last year. I tried to communicate but I've since boycotted ' ' despite the insults. Pls don't lump me in there with ' '. You seem to think that we're to blame for it but I'm sure most here would disagree. Insulting Lisa the way ' ' has is unforgiveable in my book. Talking like that to guys is one thing but c'mon... That's why I got started with ' ' in the first place last year.
Anyway, on to actual Wiz stuff...
Despite some media folk claiming that the Celts are on cruise control, they tried to win that game last night. They put Garnett and Pierce back in the game and you could hear Doc Rivers imploring them to win it when he was miked up during a timeout. Fact is, we match up well with them (and most other teams) and can beat anyone in a series here or away. No one expected the Cavs to get to the Finals last year at this time, either. Top to bottom, we are much more talented and deep than the Cavs last year. Will we get to the Finals? Don't know. CAN we get to the Finals? With our talent, absolutely.
One last thought on EJ...I know he gets criticized a lot on this blog. I watched smallball again last night and hated it when Songaila came in after BTH was having a decent night (again). What I forget sometimes is that while parts of his coaching irk the heck out of me, the strength of our team is offense and he needs to get credit for that. We're one of the best teams in the league offensively. If we win anything, it's because he's utilizing the talent properly (at least on offense).

Posted by: mark | April 10, 2008 7:35 AM

Gilby supaman'd DCMan88's momma after the game last night.

Posted by: Tay Biltong | April 10, 2008 7:36 AM

We knew that wasn't you, B.A.M. Marion Barry is a poster here? LOL.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 10, 2008 7:38 AM

Mark, I agree-the Cs did try to win that game, and they couldn't. I'm almost glad we didn't blow them out when we were up by 17 in the first half--they would have rolled over, and the win wouldn't have meant near as much as it does knowing that they thought they could win. It's a huge mental advantage for the Wiz.

Ditto-Caron looked off his game last night, and it is a huge compliment to him that he can put up the numbers he did while obviously not playing his best.

I LOVED the AJ dunk over KG for so many reasons. I love seeing AJ display that kind of intensity. He's grown a lot this year. Second, it upped the intensity factor between these two teams. Even the commentators were talking about the "playoff atmosphere." It's the kind of play that has the potential to set the phone booth on fire. It doesn't happen often, but when it does it's awesome.

I had almost forgotten how much faster the game moves when Gil is in there. Holy smokes can they run. EJ seems to like having Gil and AB in the game together, and I can see why. The speed of the game is incredible. That duo has the potential to be something special.

Posted by: Lou | April 10, 2008 8:11 AM

Earlier this week AJ was quoted as saying the team needs to find it's swagger--I would bet they have a good bit more swagger today than they did yesterday. A win over Detroit would be HUGE for us.

Posted by: Lou | April 10, 2008 8:21 AM

Great game last night. I enjoyed the whole thing. I missed the 1st quarter because I thought it was a 8:00 start since it was on ESPN. Found out at 7:40 p.m. I was wrong.

EJ's is coaching his tail off now. EG needs to extend his assistant's contracts as soon as possible, because the dudes deserve it.

As usual the ESPN coverage was all about the "other team" and not the Wizards. Jon Barry had to eat his words near the end of the game because he was riding the Celtics like they are the new NBA champs, only to see the Wiz "handle" them even with their "Big Three" in there trying to win the game.

As for the tv covereage, I like to listen to the national coverage (TNT or ESPN) because you get to hear what other NBA analysts have to say about the team vs. the "homer" view from Phil and Buck. Plus, one more "daggar" or "can you believe that" from Buck and I am going to throw something at the TV.

Lastly, Mike or Ivan it looked like CB and Pierce were really jawing at each other. CB tried to "shake" Pierce a couple of times but Pierce D'ed him up pretty good. Is this going back to what Pierce said about CB last year pertaining to the All-Star spot? Thanks......

Posted by: Bullets Fever #1 | April 10, 2008 8:34 AM

Great game! Go Wiz!

Wonder what you guys will find to criticize today. I will be checking cause I am sure some will find plenty of things to rag on the Wiz about. However, they played with Phenomenal Swag last night, as a team. Great game!

Posted by: YouTruWizFan | April 10, 2008 8:34 AM

Mark, I agree-the Cs did try to win that game, and they couldn't. I'm almost glad we didn't blow them out when we were up by 17 in the first half--they would have rolled over, and the win wouldn't have meant near as much as it does knowing that they thought they could win. It's a huge mental advantage for the Wiz.

Ditto-Caron looked off his game last night, and it is a huge compliment to him that he can put up the numbers he did while obviously not playing his best.

I LOVED the AJ dunk over KG for so many reasons. I love seeing AJ display that kind of intensity. He's grown a lot this year. Second, it upped the intensity factor between these two teams. Even the commentators were talking about the "playoff atmosphere." It's the kind of play that has the potential to set the phone booth on fire. It doesn't happen often, but when it does it's awesome.

I had almost forgotten how much faster the game moves when Gil is in there. Holy smokes can they run. EJ seems to like having Gil and AB in the game together, and I can see why. The speed of the game is incredible. That duo has the potential to be something special.

Posted by: Lou | April 10, 2008 8:11 AM

Earlier this week AJ was quoted as saying the team needs to find it's swagger--I would bet they have a good bit more swagger today than they did yesterday. A win over Detroit would be HUGE for us.

Posted by: Lou | April 10, 2008 8:21 AM

Great game last night. I enjoyed the whole thing. I missed the 1st quarter because I thought it was a 8:00 start since it was on ESPN. Found out at 7:40 p.m. I was wrong.

EJ's is coaching his tail off now. EG needs to extend his assistant's contracts as soon as possible, because the dudes deserve it.

As usual the ESPN coverage was all about the "other team" and not the Wizards. Jon Barry had to eat his words near the end of the game because he was riding the Celtics like they are the new NBA champs, only to see the Wiz "handle" them even with their "Big Three" in there trying to win the game.

As for the tv coverage, I like to listen to the national coverage (TNT or ESPN) because you get to hear what other NBA analysts have to say about the team vs. the "homer" view from Phil and Buck. Plus, one more "daggar" or "can you believe that" from Buck and I am going to throw something at the TV.

Lastly, Mike or Ivan it looked like CB and Pierce were really jawing at each other. CB tried to "shake" Pierce a couple of times but Pierce D'ed him up pretty good. Is this going back to what Pierce said about CB last year pertaining to the All-Star spot? Thanks......

Posted by: Bullets Fever #1 | April 10, 2008 8:37 AM

One observation: It seemed like Pierce was open a few times early in the game when he was shooting those threes. CB was cheating over and trying to help out on Garnett and consecutive passes or the skip pass killed him. After the last one, it appeared that CB was a little mad at BTH and told him he wasn't helping anymore. After that, he stayed on Pierce and things got a little better defensively.
Even though KG was 9-16, I still like the fact that BTH challenged him inside. KG has a definite speed advantage and a mismatch when he takes BTH outside but Haywood held his own in the paint against him. Not many centers in this league can guard KG. Big props to BTH. I would have liked to see BTH knock KG out of the way and dunk on the drop step move that he got blocked but otherwise, solid game.

Posted by: mark | April 10, 2008 9:04 AM

I was glancing at the Boston Herald sports section online and this mornings article starts off with:

"The Celtics might be everyone's sweethearts, but there are at least a few non-believers out there. That will hold true as long as Washington - about to become someone's postseason nightmare - still is alive."

Last nights win put the league on notice that the Wiz ARE for real. Now we'd have to continue to play at a high level the next four games, but how cool is it that we're starting to put fear into opposing teams, and the best part is we're peaking at just the right time.

It will be interesting to see how many minutes Detroit's starters will get tonight, I hope we carry our emotion from last night into Auburn Hills!

PLEASE IGNORE DCMAN 88, HE IS RUDE, VULGAR, AND IS ONLY HERE TO ANTAGONIZE MOST OF US ON WIZARDS INSIDER. DO NOT RESPOND TO HIM OR COMMENT ON HIS POSTS.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 10, 2008 9:05 AM

and finally...I have to say that DS is playing his role to perfection. He is defending his as* off and hitting threes in the clutch when ppl leave him open. He's not getting the credit he deserves but he's a key to us winning. Great move by EG on re-signing him. I can't imagine JCN trying to guard anyone.

Posted by: mark | April 10, 2008 9:07 AM

LOL!

There is just way too much drama and controversy on this blog concerning me.

Stick to the topic of Les BouleS. If you don't like what others say about the team, then deal with it.

Don't waste time trying to bug me, and I will return the favor. It's just that simple.

PLEASE IGNORE DCMAN 88, HE IS RUDE, VULGAR, AND IS ONLY HERE TO ANTAGONIZE MOST OF US ON WIZARDS INSIDER. DO NOT RESPOND TO HIM OR COMMENT ON HIS POSTS.

Posted by: DC Man88 | April 10, 2008 9:11 AM

LOL!

Funny about DS. Jon Barry was pointing out many instances last night about how DS would not get back on defense, and was spending too much time yapping with the refs. DS did hit some clutch 3's.

None of this analysis, you would ever hear on Comcast. The best thing about yesterday's game was that it was also shown on ESPN.

Posted by: DC Man88 | April 10, 2008 9:13 AM

Mark you're absolutely right. Last night my wife asked me why DeShawn wasn't scoring like he normally does. I explained that with our big three back, he's now more of a role player and I love the fact that he played it to perfection against the C's. Didn't seem like he was trying to force things.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 10, 2008 9:17 AM

PLEASE IGNORE DCMAN 88, HE IS RUDE, VULGAR, AND IS ONLY HERE TO ANTAGONIZE MOST OF US ON WIZARDS INSIDER. DO NOT RESPOND TO HIM OR COMMENT ON HIS POSTS.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 10, 2008 9:18 AM

Doesn't it seem as if Jamison hates the Celtics, Garnett especially? As a nominee for Sportsman of the Year or whatever that award is called, Jamison certainly embodies good sportmanship, doesn't trash talk, etc. This year's Celtics are notorious trash talkers, and that seems to rub Jamison the wrong way, big time. I recall he was really ticked off in one of the prior Celtics' games.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 10, 2008 9:21 AM

I was hoping that Cleveland would lose to the Nets last night, but NJ completely tanked in the 4th quarter.

And then Detroit didn't play their Starters more than about half the game (Hamilton didn't play at all, and Rasheed only played 18 minutes) - and so the 76'ers won too....

Be interesting to see if Detroit does the same thing on Friday when Washington visits.

Posted by: Rook | April 10, 2008 9:28 AM

LMAO!

It certainly rubbed Gilby the wrong way when KG said Les BouleS were a better team without him.

Of course, that was after Gilby said the Celtics were beatable at home, but we all know how that turned out. Boo city for Gilby, along with a 20 pt. beat down.

Posted by: DC Man88 | April 10, 2008 9:29 AM

had almost forgotten how much faster the game moves when Gil is in there. Holy smokes can they run. EJ seems to like having Gil and AB in the game together, and I can see why. The speed of the game is incredible. That duo has the potential to be something special.

Posted by: Lou | April 10, 2008 8:11 AM

Good point Lou. It seems that Arenas has put AB under his wings and try to maximize his potential. I believe AB will be the X factor come playoff time. We all know what the Big 3 will bring each game same goes with DS and BTH but AB to me seems like a would be star in the league and then play like a D-leaguer the next. Some of the so-called experts have counted out AB already but I for one think he can be a solid player for years to come. He has a lot more basketball instict than Kwame.

I love the CB / Paul P's jawing. They reminded me of the old Celtics Lakers rivalry and other rivalry back then when there was no love shown on the court and all seems personal.

Posted by: Dave | April 10, 2008 9:39 AM

"Of course, that was after Gilby said the Celtics were beatable at home, but we all know how that turned out. Boo city for Gilby, along with a 20 pt. beat down."

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Ummm...the Celtics are beatable at home, in fact, the Wiz *beat* them at home, If you remember. They're now 3-1 vs. the Celtics (2 home 1 away).

I know this is your schtick and all, and that you just like to come on here and troll and get a rise out of people, but most of the time you come off just looking ignorant.

Posted by: Duffman | April 10, 2008 9:56 AM

GO WIZ GO WIZ!!! How exciting was that game ladies and germs. Jon Barry must be destroyed and his partner the same. Its kind of a sick thing...I love to watch ESPN when we play because of how awful they think we are. Its kind of weird to get joy out of negativity but I love it and so does this team. We were supposed to finish in 12th place, now look at us. Those two knuckle-heads had about 2 minutes to start throwing praise the Wizards way after Deshawn sealed up the game. All game long it was Boston this and that and the Wizards DIDN'T do this and that. At least Rick Carlisle and Steven A. Smith had kudos for the Wizards. Smith's rant about the Wiz kids being sleepers was hilariuos.

Back to the game, if Butler didn't turn it over so much we would've ended up with only 2 TOs. Thats great. The Celtics had 20+ TOs and we shot over 50% for the game. They are the best defensive team right now and they couldn't stop us. We need to keep everyone on this team next year because, well, its obvius.

GO WASHINGTON SPORTS, GO WIZ KIDS!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Burg w/ a U | April 10, 2008 9:56 AM

Where are all the folks who were so worried about Arenas "fitting in" and adapting to the team when he returned? Where are all the folks who moaned how much better the team plays without him?

If anyone has carefully watched the 3 games he has played they have seen a superb basketball player slowly getting his legs, his timing and his flow back but playing totally within the game and rarely trying to force anything. Sure his shot (since the first quarter of the Bucks'game) has been off and he is not the best man defender, but he has shown tremendous passing ability, quickness on defense and no reluctance to push the ball upcourt and to the rim.

IF he continues this style of play, the shots will drop and he may finally truly be the kind of point guard who does make everyone on the court better. And this team, maybe this year but probably next will be a real contender.

Posted by: arnie | April 10, 2008 10:07 AM

I love the CB / Paul P's jawing. They reminded me of the old Celtics Lakers rivalry and other rivalry back then when there was no love shown on the court and all seems personal.

Posted by: Dave | April 10, 2008 9:39 AM

What I like is that it's not just the Celts....

Washington has stood up to Cleveland this year too. Stevenson calling 'His Majesty' overrated.... The hard fouls.

I think the Wizards are slowly coming to believe they deserve respect from the rest of the League.

They're definately a tougher, more physical team than last year.

Posted by: Rook | April 10, 2008 10:13 AM

"If anyone has carefully watched the 3 games he has played they have seen a superb basketball player slowly getting his legs, his timing and his flow back but playing totally within the game and rarely trying to force anything. Sure his shot (since the first quarter of the Bucks'game) has been off and he is not the best man defender, but he has shown tremendous passing ability, quickness on defense and no reluctance to push the ball upcourt and to the rim.

IF he continues this style of play, the shots will drop and he may finally truly be the kind of point guard who does make everyone on the court better. And this team, maybe this year but probably next will be a real contender.

Posted by: arnie | April 10, 2008 10:07 AM "

I see arnie carefully watched the low rate/quality Comcast broadcast and not the ESPN broadcast.

Arnie must have missed it when Gilby forced the ball and was called for a charge, or a few times when Gilby just either caught the ball and shot, and or dribbled down and shot...eventually going 5-14.

Sure arnie.

Gilby is doing well since his comeback. He's taking a lot of risks with the ball though (ie. risky passes and leaving his man on D to go for the ball), and is lucky that he hasn't been challenged by any of the top 1 guards yet based on the teams he's faced since he's been back (Bucks - Sessions), (Miami - Quinn, Ahearn), (Chicago - Hinrich), and (Celtics - Rondo, House).

Not exactly worldbeaters at the 1, and Ayers has tailored the defense to give Gilby help, and also they played zone a few times last night.

Posted by: DC Man88 | April 10, 2008 10:18 AM

"Washington has stood up to Cleveland this year too. Stevenson calling 'His Majesty' overrated.... The hard fouls.

Posted by: Rook | April 10, 2008 10:13 AM "

Unfortunately for Les BouleS, that's a check that DS can't cash. People who'll try to cash that check would be the top players on Les BouleS who have to deal with Lebron, and that be Caron and AJ, not DS.

Posted by: DC Man88 | April 10, 2008 10:20 AM

Great win last night! This team is exciting to watch....Antawn showed so much will to win, playoff mode from last year. He's a player who really turns out on the really big games, seasoned veteran. ESPN did talk about KG a lot but it was great that Antawn's dunk over KG was there for the nation to see. They also kept talking about Caron's turnovers, which was annoying. As stated, to have a bad game with almost a triple double is pretty good, considering we have other All Stars to fall back on.
Gil looked good - when he's 100% he will be murder. He already looks superior to most out there now while still recuperating and all. DeShawn is another Tuff Juice! Ditto - I love this team!! ESPN also showed some of Deshawn's 80's party which was cool.

Posted by: washingtonian | April 10, 2008 10:20 AM

IF he continues this style of play, the shots will drop and he may finally truly be the kind of point guard who does make everyone on the court better. And this team, maybe this year but probably next will be a real contender.

Posted by: arnie | April 10, 2008 10:07 AM

Something else I noticed during the 3 games Arenas has been back. He seems to be playing at a completely different speed than everyone else on the court. Like, he's in fast-forward, and everyone else is normal speed.

BUT, he's still having difficulties on the Defensive end. I believe that the injury to his knee is affecting his lateral movement. It doesn't show up on the Offensive end, because lateral movement is not really required as much.

Posted by: Rook | April 10, 2008 10:22 AM

"GO WIZ GO WIZ!!! How exciting was that game ladies and germs. Jon Barry must be destroyed and his partner the same. Its kind of a sick thing...I love to watch ESPN when we play because of how awful they think we are. Its kind of weird to get joy out of negativity but I love it and so does this team. We were supposed to finish in 12th place, now look at us. Those two knuckle-heads had about 2 minutes to start throwing praise the Wizards way after Deshawn sealed up the game. All game long it was Boston this and that and the Wizards DIDN'T do this and that. At least Rick Carlisle and Steven A. Smith had kudos for the Wizards. Smith's rant about the Wiz kids being sleepers was hilariuos.

!

Posted by: Burg w/ a U | April 10, 2008 9:56 AM "

I guess the flip side can be said about Comcast. Overembellished praise, and rare critique (not even criticism). That's to be expected when they're on the Abe dollar, and they don't want to be Jon Miller.

Posted by: DC Man88 | April 10, 2008 10:24 AM

Burg w/ a U
I agree with everything you said. I got sick of watching ESPN last night, those two commentators were absolutely smitten with the Celtics. They were laughing and incredulous at everything the Wizards were doing, it was Garnett this and Pierce that the whole night. They were ecstatic when Boston caught up just prior to half time. Then they sobered up when the Wizards piled it on in the 2nd half. I went back to Steve/Phil. At least even if they are the in-house guys who are expected to be gung ho for the Wiz, they are fair. They call fouls fairly, travels, etc. Not the sort of gibberish the ESPN guys were mouthing the whole night.

No respect, I tell you. I took a look at the NBA and ESPN/NBA sites this morning, and the Wiz win is buried deep down. It's all about Shaq's old ways coming back, and the Suns over Spurs, and the Hornets beating the Wolves. It's as if we have no stars, and nothing worthy of note. Oh yeah except Jamison's "dunk of the night" on nba.com

But that's ok, as some of the team have noted before, it's better if they're under the radar, just wait for the playoffs and they'll show what they're made of.

Posted by: rgz | April 10, 2008 10:26 AM

"Ummm...the Celtics are beatable at home, in fact, the Wiz *beat* them at home, If you remember. They're now 3-1 vs. the Celtics (2 home 1 away).

I know this is your schtick and all, and that you just like to come on here and troll and get a rise out of people, but most of the time you come off just looking ignorant.

Posted by: Duffman | April 10, 2008 9:56 AM "

I guess you're the troll who missed watching the first Boston game in Boston, where Gilby got booed mercilessly after making that prediction, and Les BouleS lost. Gilby shot 5-20.

Of course, when Les BouleS beat the Celtics at home this season, it was without Gilby.

So, you're the dummy troll.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/recap?gameId=271102002

Posted by: DC Man88 | April 10, 2008 10:28 AM

You're an idiot mark. You lost all credibility when you said Les BouleS are a a finals team. Whatevah...
Posted by: DC Man88 | April 9, 2008 7:18 PM

DS throw up a long bomb, doesn't get back on D, and then Celtics finish with 2 on the break.
Posted by: DC Man88 | April 9, 2008 7:20 PM

Funny about DS. Jon Barry was pointing out many instances last night about how DS would not get back on defense... None of this analysis, you would ever hear on Comcast...
Posted by: DC Man88 | April 10, 2008 9:13 AM

It certainly rubbed Gilby the wrong way when KG said Les BouleS were a better team without him. Of course, that was after Gilby said the Celtics were beatable at home, but we all know how that turned out. Boo city for Gilby, along with a 20 pt. beat down.
Posted by: DC Man88 | April 10, 2008 9:29 AM

Arnie must have missed it when Gilby forced the ball and was called for a charge, or a few times when Gilby just either caught the ball and shot, and or dribbled down and shot...eventually going 5-14.
Posted by: DC Man88 | April 10, 2008 10:18 AM

Unfortunately for Les BouleS, that's a check that DS can't cash.
Posted by: DC Man88 | April 10, 2008 10:20 AM

Overembellished praise, and rare critique (not even criticism). That's to be expected when they're on the Abe dollar...
Posted by: DC Man88 | April 10, 2008 10:24 AM

Just curious DC Man88 - do you have anything good to say about the Wizards?

Posted by: Rook | April 10, 2008 10:33 AM

You're a "glass half empty" kinda guy, huh?

Posted by: Rook | April 10, 2008 10:36 AM

good game. Great energy throughout the whole game. Everybody played a keep role. Jamison did his thing. Caron almost had a triple double. Gil didn't have his shot but really pushed the tempo and had some good assists.Stevenson and Mason hit timely shots. AB was solid. And DS was high energy. and very physical ans scrappy. My criticisms are that NY didn't play. I know EJ trying to tighten up his rotation but I thought NY could have stolen some minutes from Stevenson. Who played 39 and arenas. He's earned it just like AB. Another thing is the lack of perimeter defense. Guys cant lose their man and needs to play solid man to man. No more zone !

Posted by: Anonymous | April 10, 2008 10:38 AM

"Just curious DC Man88 - do you have anything good to say about the Wizards?

Posted by: Rook | April 10, 2008 10:33 AM "

Check your glasses.


Enjoy the win against the Celtics moron! It was great.

Posted by: DC Man88 | April 9, 2008 10:08 PM

What game were you watching? Caron almost averaged a triple double....13 pts, 10 assists, 7 boards...but had 7 to's.

Posted by: DC Man88 | April 10, 2008 12:03 AM

Gilby is doing well since his comeback. He's taking a lot of risks with the ball though (ie. risky passes and leaving his man on D to go for the ball), and is lucky that he hasn't been challenged by any of the top 1 guards yet based on the teams he's faced since he's been back (Bucks - Sessions), (Miami - Quinn, Ahearn), (Chicago - Hinrich), and (Celtics - Rondo, House).

Not exactly worldbeaters at the 1, and Ayers has tailored the defense to give Gilby help, and also they played zone a few times last night.

Posted by: DC Man88 | April 10, 2008 10:18 AM

Posted by: DC Man88 | April 10, 2008 10:49 AM

yeah, Rook. Gil is blazing fast going straight forward. Don't know about sideways. It was good to see him score that first bucket while throwing his body into the defender. It looked like the old GA. In the playoffs, those are AND-1's.

I watched the game on espn and I like seeing the ESPN guys go from KG/Pierce lovers to grudgingly giving the Wiz credit after it was clear that we'd win. After the game, in the ESPN studio they went straight to talking about the Suns/Spurs game. No final game wrap up or anything. If the Celts had won, we'd have been hearing each one of the commentators talking about how great the Celts were and how KG is an MVP candidate. I said something earlier this year and either I was called an idiot or my mom was accused of participating in a barn with Lefty and/or Seabiscuit. I said that AJ should be considered an MVP candidate for his numbers and the way he played while the stars were out. I still believe that while he may not be a league MVP, he's just a small notch below.
The sky's the limit with this team. Like some predicted early this season, the injuries forced EJ to give the bench minutes. That experience might make the difference in the playoffs. EJ has hinted that his playoff rotation will be 8 deep. I assume this means that Arenas, Songaila and Mason get bench time. We can't expect to see AB, I guess. I'm thinking EJ will go small and use Songaila if BTH gets into foul trouble. Our X factor may be Mason. The dude is a serious 3 point threat who can change a game's flow with a timely 3. I have the Wiz making some noise.
I am now the official long-post champ. Sorry, GM and BF#1.

Posted by: mark | April 10, 2008 10:50 AM

"good game. Great energy throughout the whole game. Everybody played a keep role. Jamison did his thing. Caron almost had a triple double. Gil didn't have his shot but really pushed the tempo and had some good assists.Stevenson and Mason hit timely shots. AB was solid. And DS was high energy. and very physical ans scrappy. My criticisms are that NY didn't play. I know EJ trying to tighten up his rotation but I thought NY could have stolen some minutes from Stevenson. Who played 39 and arenas. He's earned it just like AB. Another thing is the lack of perimeter defense. Guys cant lose their man and needs to play solid man to man. No more zone !

Posted by: | April 10, 2008 10:38 AM "

Don't forget BTH.

He had a solid game, and KG was not as effective with BTH on him.

Posted by: DC Man88 | April 10, 2008 10:51 AM

PLEASE IGNORE DCMAN 88, HE IS RUDE, VULGAR, AND IS ONLY HERE TO ANTAGONIZE MOST OF US ON WIZARDS INSIDER. DO NOT RESPOND TO HIM OR COMMENT ON HIS POSTS.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 10, 2008 10:54 AM

"I guess you're the troll who missed watching the first Boston game in Boston, where Gilby got booed mercilessly after making that prediction, and Les BouleS lost. Gilby shot 5-20.

"Of course, when Les BouleS beat the Celtics at home this season, it was without Gilby."

Of course, at the time, Arenas was playing on a still bum knee which would soon require additional surgery.

Posted by: kalorama | April 10, 2008 10:55 AM

"Of course, at the time, Arenas was playing on a still bum knee which would soon require additional surgery.

Posted by: kalorama | April 10, 2008 10:55 AM "

We know that. Actually, Gilby's knee was weakened by his personal workouts during the summer, and I think he injured his knee in a different place, during his few games of return. I think Marc Connell reported that they also found an abnormality in his knee in how it developed, and corrected it with surgery.

In any regard, Gilby's prediction that the Celtics were beatable at home was both unnecessary and almost as dumb as DS saying that Lebron is overrated. Of course, we have to credit some of the reporters that probably egged Gilby on to say such a thing.

Posted by: DC Man88 | April 10, 2008 11:15 AM

One total surprise this year is the lack of development or production of OPech. People were swearing up and down before the season on how much of a contribution he was going to bring, how playing overseas last season helped him, how he was a gym rat this past offseason. To date, we've seen nada, even when guys were out.

Posted by: DC Man88 | April 10, 2008 11:20 AM

"We know that. "

And yet, knowing that, you still talk like it wasn't a factor in his going 5-20 in that first Boston game. They guy was playing on one leg. That tends to have an effect on a guy's jump shot.

Posted by: kalorama | April 10, 2008 11:40 AM

Here's an interesting tidbit from the Celtics fan forum on the globe:

http://boards.boston.com/n/pfx/forum.aspx?tsn=1&nav=messages&webtag=bc-celtics&tid=15939

There is some grudging respect there, for sure, although, to be fair, there was also some rationalizations about the Celtics' loss.

I haven't been able to watch a full game from Gilbert's return, but from what I've seen, I agree with many comments here: He is involving teammates, he's making some amazing passes (at times, foolhardy), he's really, really quick, and there probably are a few more defensive breakdowns.

Nevertheless, I am estatic to see him back, especially coming off the bench in the initial stages. What a luxury, and it really has to strike fear in opposing teams that Arenas can saunter in fresh for the first time with 3 min left in Q1.

What is his +/- post-return as compared to before? (And is that a really meaningful statistic in basketball?)

Posted by: duk | April 10, 2008 11:49 AM

And I'm going to agree with DC on this one: OPech has been a disappointment lately. I was at one game a couple of months ago where he seemed to be warming up to his role, but in recent games, he's been a nonentity and sometimes throws up some painfully bad shots.

Posted by: duk | April 10, 2008 11:51 AM

wheres nick?

Posted by: dk | April 10, 2008 12:04 PM

"I guess you're the troll who missed watching the first Boston game in Boston, where Gilby got booed mercilessly after making that prediction, and Les BouleS lost. Gilby shot 5-20.

"Of course, when Les BouleS beat the Celtics at home this season, it was without Gilby."

Posted by: DC Man88

Shot 5-19, don't lie to try to prove your point.

And of course, at the time, Caron ALSO had 7 TOs like last night. AJ also shot 4-16 and DS 2-9. All those things might have something to do with the loss but then again when you're lying on stats to prove your point, what do you care?

Posted by: Clueless DC Man88 | April 10, 2008 12:07 PM

Sigh... so much of the same from ' '

OK, ok we know the wizards aren't going to be your favorite team any time soon. But why blame fans for rooting for their hometown team no matter how flawed. To me, that seems more noble than constant whining.

Either way, I agree that Gil is fast when he can choose the direction and timing, I think you still see the effects in his lateral movement and defensive reactions.

I think this is natural for someone recovering from knee surgery. I would add that I think given the benefit of playing in Ayers system for a year GA would likely have better D instincts. He's been around, but it is a lot different being on court and gaining that muscle memory for the D.

I think ' ' likes to point out his shading the ball carrier in his first game back, but to me that just looked like the D they played last year, and his old instincts.

I'm really pretty excited about this team's potential, and having GA push AB on the second team might not be a bad rotation.

Posted by: Sodumb | April 10, 2008 12:09 PM

I am about to watch the replay, but I think it is interesting that Gilbert Arenas has come off the bench, played his role and hardly upset the apple cart and the certain poster can't help but criticize.
Did the team lose to Milwaukee last week, yes, but it wasn't all Arenas' fault. He made a bad play at the end, but there were other bad plays leading up to the one Arenas made.
The Wizards are using Arenas properly and contrary to the certain poster's predictions, the team isn't falling apart and the chemistry hasn't gone to hell with Arenas' return.
And that is what I look forward to most of all. A great playoff run where Arenas puts his work in and makes a mockery of some of the ridiculous assertions of a certain poster. And even more humoursly while that occurs, that certain poster will continue his baying about Gilby this, Laura that, missed free throws this, downward spiral that, and other such examples of his near obsessive hatred for Gilbert Arenas. And it will continue to look more and more out of reality and out of depth.

As for the Detroit game, I would expect the Pistons to do the same thing against the Wizards that they did against 76ers. So the same thing will be required, a no-nonsense professional effort that will allow the Pistons to check out mentally and put the Wizards in the win column again. I would bet the Pistons would prefer the Wizards in 4/5 seed than in their half of the bracket.

Roll on Wizards and be ready for a fight against the 76ers on Saturday night.

Posted by: George Templeton | April 10, 2008 12:17 PM

Gil's presence completely changes how the Wiz are defended. When he's in, he *must* be accounted for. He draws so much attention. Even if it's not an immediate double-team, the other defenders know when Gil has the ball, and their focus is divided. That frees up so much offensively, and is one of his most important contributions to the game.

I though a mostly-unmentioned key to the game was the Wiz' inside domination of Boston. Garnett, as great as he is defensively (and he is great), is kind of a floater on offense. He got some dunks off of nice feeds, but he also sort of wandered around a lot. If I were Doc, I'd yell at him whenever he got more than 10 feet from the basket. Haywood, Blatche and Songaila all had strong inside games.

Stevenson is really becoming a glue guy; one of those players who gives you just what you need, just when you need it.

As for Jamison, what can you say? He's just fantastic. The ultimate warrior. He followed up his dunk over Garnett with a scowl I loved. This team doesn't take crap (and speaking of Garnett, that guy loves to hold defenders going by him. On one play, Stevenson was trailing his man through the lane, and Garnett blatantly grabbed him and spun him around. No call, of course. KG did that a number of times.)

Posted by: Keithinator | April 10, 2008 12:20 PM

"Shot 5-19, don't lie to try to prove your point.

And of course, at the time, Caron ALSO had 7 TOs like last night. AJ also shot 4-16 and DS 2-9. All those things might have something to do with the loss but then again when you're lying on stats to prove your point, what do you care?

Posted by: Clueless DC Man88 | April 10, 2008 12:07 PM "

Gosh, you are so clueless.

I said Gilby shot 5-20 in the FIRST Boston game, and that's after he made the prediction that the Celtics were beatable at home, which riled up the team and the fans. Dumb move Gilby!

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=271102002


Posted by: DC Man88 | April 10, 2008 12:32 PM

""We know that. "

And yet, knowing that, you still talk like it wasn't a factor in his going 5-20 in that first Boston game. They guy was playing on one leg. That tends to have an effect on a guy's jump shot.

Posted by: kalorama | April 10, 2008 11:40 AM "

If Gilby is willing to lace up his shoes and get on the court and make bold statements against a home team, then he sure as heck better back it up.

Of course, you missed that point.

Posted by: DC Man88 | April 10, 2008 12:35 PM

And I'm going to agree with DC on this one: OPech has been a disappointment lately. I was at one game a couple of months ago where he seemed to be warming up to his role, but in recent games, he's been a nonentity and sometimes throws up some painfully bad shots.

Posted by: duk | April 10, 2008 11:51 AM

wheres nick?

Posted by: dk | April 10, 2008 12:04 PM

Absent early foul trouble or extended ineffectiveness by some of the veterans, my guess is we won't be seeing much of either of these guys, or DM either, once the playoffs start. A lot of coaches like to "shorten the bench" come playoff time, and EJ has indicated that he doesn't always trust the decisions that the rooks make. So I think that the rotation for the playoffs will look like it did last night, with Arenas (at least initially), Mason, Blatche, Songaila and one of the starters comprising the second unit.

Posted by: rbpalmer | April 10, 2008 12:43 PM

Why are y'all so negative towards me. You know this is how I get my rocks off. I am actually masturbating right now.

Posted by: DC Man88 | April 10, 2008 12:47 PM

me too.

Posted by: sodumb | April 10, 2008 12:50 PM

sodumb and I are one.

Posted by: mark | April 10, 2008 12:52 PM

"Here's an interesting tidbit from the Celtics fan forum on the globe:"
started reading some of their posts - they sound like they really dont want to face us in the playoffs (the fans)... said we (Wizards) are their Kryptonite!

Posted by: Here's an interesting tidbit from the Celtics fan forum on the globe: | April 10, 2008 1:12 PM

Nice impersonation. Only bball talk from me. Most of the folks on this blog aren't stupid and know when a name is hijacked.

back to business...Does anyone know whether GA is playing tonight or not? With a back to back and the crucial Philly game coming up, do we risk it?

Posted by: mark | April 10, 2008 1:23 PM

"Shot 5-19, don't lie to try to prove your point.

And of course, at the time, Caron ALSO had 7 TOs like last night. AJ also shot 4-16 and DS 2-9. All those things might have something to do with the loss but then again when you're lying on stats to prove your point, what do you care?

Posted by: Clueless DC Man88 | April 10, 2008 12:07 PM "

Gosh, you are so clueless.

I said Gilby shot 5-20 in the FIRST Boston game, and that's after he made the prediction that the Celtics were beatable at home, which riled up the team and the fans. Dumb move Gilby!

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=271102002

Posted by: DC Man88 | April 10, 2008 12:32 PM

Only Crying Boy88 takes ESPN.com on their word - it's s*it. Come on Clueless, you can do a little better.

Gil 5-19 from the league:

http://www.nba.com/games/20071102/WASBOS/boxscore.html

Posted by: Clueless DC Man88 | April 10, 2008 1:23 PM

ESPN and TNT may as well have Tommy Heinsohn doing the Celtics telecasts. Anyone here remember back in the 80's when the Celts played with Heinsohn in the booth? It was so biased that it was embarassing. I used to change the channel rather than listen to him. That's saying something cuz back then, we had 4,5,7,9,20 and if were lucky we might catch Captain Chesapeake on channel 45. Changing the channel back in the 80's was a huge deal. I would LOVE to see the Celtics in the 2nd round. My dream matchup would be Cleveland in the first and the Celts in the second if that's possible.

Posted by: mark | April 10, 2008 1:28 PM

NBA.com sucks, just like you.

Posted by: DC Man88 | April 10, 2008 1:28 PM

Gilbert's assist was "the assist of the night" on NBA.com.

Posted by: washingtonian | April 10, 2008 1:28 PM

"Gilbert's assist was "the assist of the night" on NBA.com.

Posted by: washingtonian | April 10, 2008 1:28 PM "

whooppeee! Max money for everyone who had an assist last night!

Posted by: sodumb | April 10, 2008 1:30 PM

K.G. - comcast post show "they have a lot of swagger about them and they back it up"... re: wizards!

Posted by: washingtonian | April 10, 2008 1:41 PM

Does anyone know whether GA is playing tonight or not? With a back to back and the crucial Philly game coming up, do we risk it?

Posted by: mark | April 10, 2008 1:23 PM

It's my guess that Gilbert Arenas will sit out the Detroit game, and play in the Philly game.

Eddie Jordan has already said that Arenas will NOT play in back-to-back games.

The Philly game is HUGE, and much more important than the Detroit game. If they win against Philly, they have the tie-breaker advantage - and should be able to coast to the 5th spot... with wins against Indiana and Orlando (assuming Orlando only plays their starters for half the game)...

Posted by: Rook | April 10, 2008 1:48 PM

"Only Crying Boy88 takes ESPN.com on their word - it's s*it. Come on Clueless, you can do a little better.

Gil 5-19 from the league:

http://www.nba.com/games/20071102/WASBOS/boxscore.html

Posted by: Clueless DC Man88 | April 10, 2008 1:23 PM "

You're a stupid @ss. The difference between 5-20 vs. 5-19 is by 0.010, which is your IQ on a good day!

Whether it's 5-20 or 5-19, the bottom line is that the shooting percentage stinks, and Gilby didn't back up what he said. Not unusual though. Recall the Portland game last year.

Posted by: DC Man88 | April 10, 2008 1:48 PM

As for first round match-up, I'm flip flopping on who I think is better for the Wiz. I say the Cavs, because we match up well especially the frontline but I don't think they can win 4 games if LBJ gets special help from the zebras. What will happen in the playoffs if King James is out in the 1st round. I can already see D Stern's smile if it's the Lakers vs. the Celts or Kobe vs. LBJ in the Finals. While the magics, DH and HT are big headache for the team. But whoever they face it will surely be a great series.

Posted by: Dave, | April 10, 2008 1:50 PM

I hope Gilby can play in the Detroit game. There've been zero reports on how Gilby's knee is responding, and unless there's an issue, why not let him play?

Posted by: DC Man88 | April 10, 2008 1:50 PM

The Swag is back...here's what KG had to say in the Globe:

"[The Wizards] have a lot of confidence against us," Garnett said. "They have a lot of firepower on their team. Obviously, they are a team that has been together for a while. What stands out is their swagger. They have a lot of swagger about them. They back it up. They play well against us."

Posted by: John Brisker | April 10, 2008 1:57 PM

PLEASE IGNORE DCMAN 88, HE IS gay, RUDE, VULGAR, AND IS ONLY HERE TO ANTAGONIZE MOST OF US ON WIZARDS INSIDER. DO NOT RESPOND TO HIM OR COMMENT ON HIS POSTS.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 10, 2008 1:59 PM

Dave, we KNOW that His Royal Highness will get calls from the zebras. They want him to stay in the playoffs as long as possible. Kinda like how the NHL REALLY wanted the Caps to make it so Ovechkin could be seen. Only difference is Bron gets the calls while Ovie doesn't.
It's almost like the league doesn't think the Wiz are marketable. I would think that a team with 3 all stars would get some love from the league office. Where's Donaghy when you need him? We need to get some of those hometown calls even on the road.

Posted by: mark | April 10, 2008 2:07 PM

As for first round match-up, I'm flip flopping on who I think is better for the Wiz. I say the Cavs,.....

Posted by: Dave, | April 10, 2008 1:50 PM

Orlando is 12-6 since March 1st; Detroit is 13-7.... So the Wizards would want to stay in the 5th spot or move to 4th if they can.

The Cavaliers are the team they want. They're only 10-9 since March 1st... and are have still not found an identity since the big trade. They can't score on Offense, their Defense is not as good as last year, and LeBron is looking like the strain of carrying that team is wearing on him.

In the last 10 games, LeBron's scoring average is down (26ppg, it's been over 30 all year); and his shooting percentage is down as well (46%. it was hovering around 50% all year).

He's not getting any Offensive help inside from Wallace, Varejao or Ilgauskas (who is content on shooting 10-14 foot jumpers); so teams are loading up on their shooters, and trying to help on LeBron with one of their bigs.

Cleveland is ripe. The Wizards would love nothing better than to bounce them in the 1st round. And I'd love to see it too.

Besides, who doesn't want to see Stevenson/Lebron - - - - Round 2 ?

Posted by: Rook | April 10, 2008 2:15 PM

I hope they sit Gil for Detroit and play him for Philly--makes much more sense. The Detroit game is winable with or without Gil. His presence in the Philly game makes a bigger difference than with Detroit. The game means more in terms of standings (although another win against Detroit would definitely add to the swagger!), and his ballhandling and quickness would definitely come in handy against the 76ers. If I recall, the Wiz had a real hard time with their full court press last time they played. And, you KNOW Philly is out to win where Detroit may be more willing to give one up. These next two games should be very intense!

Posted by: Lou | April 10, 2008 2:20 PM

Gilby playing both the Detroit and Philly game is a great idea. Maybe let Gilby start and go head to head against Chauncey and Andre Miller to see how that knee holds up and whether or not Gilby will still be gambling for steals, making risky passes, and freelance on defense. Miller is a poor 3 pt. shooter, but Chauncey will make Gilby pay for gambling.

Posted by: DC Man88 | April 10, 2008 2:26 PM

Lou,

You make some good points about Detroit not needing this game. But it's worth noting that they've lost their last two against inferior opponents (NY and Philly), so there's a chance they may come out with more purpose to win this one, to avoid losing their edge and starting a losing streak going into the playoffs. And, on the Wizards side, they can afford any letdowns. They need go into this one expecting it to be a battle, because we've seen what can happen when they approach games like they're gimmes.

Posted by: kaloramaa | April 10, 2008 2:29 PM

Orlando is interesting. Howard has gotten a lot of pub but as a team, not really. The national sports media mainly is paying attention to Celtics + the Western Confernece ridiculousness. (and it truly is silly out there AND GREAT!).

Has anyone taken a close look at the Magic? What's folks' take on how they will do in the second season?

Posted by: duk | April 10, 2008 2:36 PM

I'm a Wiz fan born in DC now living in Tampa, just a 45 min drive away from Orlando. I get to watch the Magic on cable regularly. Howard has become a monster inside and they due of Heido Turgklo & Rashard Lewis stretch the floor with Turkglo often playing point forward for them when Jameer Nelson or Carlos Arroyo aren't in or struggling at point. They've got some streaky role players like Keith Bogans & Maurice Evans who blend in nicely and can hurt a team with steals and occasional threes. Still, they are beatable in a 7 game series (I feel) because they're young and lack experience but it will depend on the matchup. They've pulled out some tight games this year at home and a good share on the road. S Van Gundy is a decent coach.

Posted by: G$ | April 10, 2008 3:28 PM

Kal, no mistake about it--the Wiz can't go into the game expecting an easy time of it. I imagine we see the Detroit starters for at least half the game. They need to prove to themselves that they're not sliding. The Wiz need to keep it close.

Posted by: Lou | April 10, 2008 3:33 PM

They need go into this one expecting it to be a battle, because we've seen what can happen when they approach games like they're gimmes.

Posted by: kaloramaa | April 10, 2008 2:29 PM

Amen to that. But I don't see any letdown from the Vets. You can see it in their game face and they know that it's crunch time already.

Posted by: Dave | April 10, 2008 4:29 PM

I be ghaeyyyyyy & veryyyy impotent.

Posted by: DC Man88 | April 10, 2008 4:36 PM

holy moly seattle update
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2004339103_sonicsheds.html

Bennett got busted blatantly lying to Stern. Emails have been uncovered that prove he always intended to move the team.

What's Abe and Bob Johnson's position on this crap? Is Abe gonna support the lying sack of crap or be the standup guy we know he is? Is the Post gonna send a reporter to NY to cover the trial?

Posted by: Free DC | April 10, 2008 5:04 PM

lying abe & his boy toy ernie should trade the entire less bs for the ok sonics.

I'm high on dope!
yours truly - DC Man88

Posted by: DC Man88 | April 10, 2008 5:16 PM

Bennett got busted blatantly lying to Stern. Emails have been uncovered that prove he always intended to move the team.

Posted by: Free DC | April 10, 2008 5:04 PM

Man, that stinks to high heaven. Seattle is a great city and deserves their NBA franchise. Just Owner greed, is all it is!!

Posted by: Rook | April 10, 2008 5:51 PM

It's not like anyone actually believed him when he said he wasn't thinking about moving the team.

Posted by: kalorama | April 10, 2008 5:54 PM

Has anyone taken a close look at the Magic? What's folks' take on how they will do in the second season?

Posted by: duk | April 10, 2008 2:36 PM

Orlando is a scary team to me. No Playoff experience, so therefore no reason to have high expectations.... Howard is just a beast inside. Turkoglu and Rashard Lewis are a nice pair, and with Howard stack up with some other team's "Big-3"..

They match up well against Cleveland, Philly and Washington - but they'll have trouble against either Boston or Detroit in a 7-game series.

I'm hoping that the Wizards don't have to face them until the Conference Championship round (if the Wiz are fortunate enough to get there)...

I think the Wizards match up better against Cleveland, Boston, and Detroit. Not that any of those series will be easy, just that I'd rather see those teams than Orlando.

Posted by: Rook | April 10, 2008 6:05 PM

So - another question for folks. Time to put up your Playoff scenarios....

Here's my predictions..

If things stand as they are today.
FIRST ROUND:
Boston (1) vs Atlanta (8) = Boston wins in 5
Detroit (2) vs Toronto (7) = Detroit wins in 6
Orlando (3) vs Philly (6) = Orlando in 6
Cleveland (4) vs Wash (5) = Washington in 6

SECOND ROUND:
Boston vs Washington = Washington in 6 (I'm a homer)
Detroit vs Orlando = Detroit in 7

EASTERN CONFERENCE
Detroit vs Washington = Detroit in 5


Anyone else care to share their predictions?

Posted by: Rook | April 10, 2008 6:16 PM

Prediction?

[glares]

Pain!

Posted by: James | April 10, 2008 6:17 PM

Prediction?


Pain!


Posted by: James Clubber Lang | April 10, 2008 6:18 PM

DCMan, if you dont like the Wizards so much, then why do you continue to post here?

You just like to make chaos, and constantly stir up personal attacks. Just let people be happy and discuss their team. You have taken away from this board with your ego trip rants. Just let it go, for the sake of everyone here.

Posted by: Roman | April 10, 2008 6:51 PM

http://celtics247.com/

A little love for the Wizards from a Celtic site:

"The Wizards clearly cause multiple matchup problems for the Celtics, and would certainly be a tough opponent if they meet in the second round. As Greg Dickerson put it, Celtics fans might be more apt to cheer for Cleveland in the first round if they end up playing Washington. Facing LeBron James is no cake-walk, but the Wizards are a team that can do a lot of damage against anybody in the East if they are healthy. Don't sleep on them, folks."

Posted by: Rook | April 10, 2008 6:55 PM

where's tonight's game? what channel?

Posted by: Anonymous | April 10, 2008 8:08 PM

I agree with most of Rook's picks, except that I think that Philly would beat Orlando. Toronto could be trouble if Bosh is really truly back. He had 32 and 11 last night, with 4 blocks and 3 steals.

And it may be wishful thinking, but I think Washington would beat Detroit in 6 games or so, assuming everyone's healthy. It's the potential of having all three of the big three playing that really makes it impossible to predict. When was the last time all of them were playing? No one, not even the team or the coach, know what the team can do with everyone on board.

Posted by: satch | April 10, 2008 8:08 PM

Ok, I'll play....

FIRST ROUND:
Boston (1) vs Atlanta (8) = Boston wins in 4 - You think Atlanta is going to steal one? I'd be shocked! Easy SWEEP!

Detroit (2) vs Toronto (7) = Detroit wins in 5 - I can see Toronto getting one at home with their crowd, but they are not playing well.

Orlando (3) vs Philly (6) = Orlando in 6 - I agree although with two newbies this could even go to Philly who is better at a lot of positions except center.

Cleveland (4) vs Wash (5) = Washington in 6 - I agree again. I see Cleveland as the underdog and would be very surprised if we lose to them. It could even go to the Wiz in 5 with Cleveland only getting game 2 at home in desperation.

SECOND ROUND:

Boston vs Washington = Boston in 6 (I'm not a homer!) - the playoffs are a different animal! If the Wiz want the national respect they crave, they take this to game 7 and maybe have about a 15% chance of winning this series.

Detroit vs Orlando = Detroit in 6 - probably done in 5 - will be the worst series of this round!

EASTERN CONFERENCE

Detroit vs Boston = Boston in 6. Boston will have three HUNGRY future hall of fame players. I don't see anybody matching them in talent and HUNGER! You think KG is intense during the regular season? Watch the Conference Finals this year!!!

Posted by: Rob P | April 10, 2008 8:16 PM

Great win by the Wiz. They are playing on all cylinders almost now. Good to see Gil getting his game back. I like the flow when he is in the game. And yes it is nice to see him having no problems with coming off the bench. The starting five as they are now have been playing together all season and has a certain flow already established. To insert Gil right off would upset the flow. I like the idea of him coming off the bench. It makes the bench that much more explosive. If you look at the stats if will show that bench points have been pretty high. Yea, I like what we have and I too think they are going to make some noise. It was also nice to see Gil standing on the side towards the end of the game cheering his team on. Going to the game on Saturday and can't wait.

LETS GO WIZ!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Lady Wizz | April 10, 2008 8:41 PM

Oh yeah, for those who say the Wiz are better off without Gil.

I always laugh when people say they're better without him. Are you kidding me?" Boston coach Doc Rivers said. "Gilbert Arenas is a matchup problem every night, whether he starts or off the bench. He probably creates a bigger one coming off the bench."

Just I thought I would share this with some of the anti-Gil posters I have read time and time again on this site.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 10, 2008 9:26 PM

I'm with you Rook except I have the Wiz in 5 or 6 against Detroit. If Rasheed is off, they lose. If one of our guys is off, we have option. I also give us a shot in the Finals.

Posted by: mark | April 10, 2008 9:32 PM

Rob P said:
Boston vs Washington = Boston in 6 (I'm not a homer!) - the playoffs are a different animal!

I think Rob has a point about Playoffs being different - Boston vs. Washington would go to 7 games. But I give the advantage to D.C. for one simple reason: the Wizards have more playoff experience. Even Boston's best players don't have much experience with the playoffs. In fact, when was the last time any one of their big three played a playoff game? I honestly can't remember.

Posted by: satch | April 10, 2008 9:46 PM

Satch, I would love for the Wiz to go far and possibly beat the Celtics, but to say we are more playoff tested is crazy! KG, Pierce, and Allen are experienced playoff players and have gone deeper than the Wiz. Maybe not the last couple of years, but so what? To me that means you have 3 hall of famers that are extremely hungry!!! That's scary! We may have our own Big 3 with all-star credentials, but none of our players are HOF locks at this point at all. Hopefully, our youth will help offset that, but I don't see us winning. I would love it, but I would not put my money on it!

Posted by: Rob P | April 10, 2008 10:08 PM

Rob P said:
Boston vs Washington = Boston in 6 (I'm not a homer!) - the playoffs are a different animal!

I think Rob has a point about Playoffs being different - Boston vs. Washington would go to 7 games. But I give the advantage to D.C. for one simple reason: the Wizards have more playoff experience.

Posted by: satch | April 10, 2008 9:46 PM


There's lots of folks that will disagree - and that's why I started this thread ; so we can get some interesting discussions and arguments going.

The reason I picked Washington over Boston:
Washington's bench is better than Boston's. They have proven they can beat Boston, IN Boston. The Wiz have more current playoff experience. HOF credentials aside....

The reason I picked Detroit over Washington:
Detroit on the other hand, has a tremendous bench. Unparallelled Playoff experience. Clutch performers. Plays excellent Defense; and have been playing together for years (like the Spurs).

Posted by: Rook | April 10, 2008 10:17 PM

Anon, the argument about whether GA makes us a better team or not has come up again. Even Stephen A Smith blabbed about it the other night saying that people that say we are not better with him are crazy! But, Stephen A is not where I would go for critical analysis for anything. He is an attention seeking big mouth!

Here is my critical analysis:

Are we "better" with GA? Sure.

Are we a championship contender with him by default? Not so sure.

Is he worth a max contract based on his erratic behavior (some would say downright selfish behavior) and injuries? Not so sure.

What happens if he has this contract and continues to be injury prone or not the player he was? The franchise is hand cuffed for the next 5/6 years!

Will he ever decide to play decent defense? Not sure.

Hell, IMO the defense that Ayer's installed that has us playing better than we have in the past was with GA in mind. In other words, Ayer's has us clogging the lane to reduce the constant penetration that GA used to allow. Well, whether that is true or not, the 3 pt defense being dead last is not good enough to beat the Boston's of the world either.

We'll see, but you can't act like there is no basis for critical analysis of him and his impact on the team! Hey, if we go to the second round and give Boston all they can handle or if we go further then he can shut up the critics, but he has yet to do anything close to that to this point!

Posted by: Rob P | April 10, 2008 10:22 PM

"There's lots of folks that will disagree - and that's why I started this thread ; so we can get some interesting discussions and arguments going.

The reason I picked Washington over Boston:
Washington's bench is better than Boston's. They have proven they can beat Boston, IN Boston. The Wiz have more current playoff experience. HOF credentials aside....

The reason I picked Detroit over Washington:
Detroit on the other hand, has a tremendous bench. Unparallelled Playoff experience. Clutch performers. Plays excellent Defense; and have been playing together for years (like the Spurs)." - Rook

Rook, a lot of people will disagree with what exactly. I like this discussion too and the playoffs should be fun to watch. But, why do you keep saying that we have more playoff experience? I know KG has been to the conference finals and carried MN to the playoffs for years straight, I believe Pierce has been in the conference finals along with Allen a few years back. Regardless, they are perennial all-stars

Posted by: Rob P | April 10, 2008 10:28 PM

Rob P said:

But, why do you keep saying that we have more playoff experience? I know KG has been to the conference finals and carried MN to the playoffs for years straight, I believe Pierce has been in the conference finals along with Allen a few years back. Regardless, they are perennial all-stars


I stand corrected - the Timberwolves did make a number of appearances in the playoffs with KG, up until 2004 (thank you Wikpedia). The reason I forgot about KG's playoff appearances probably has something to do with the fact that his team was knocked out in the first round for *seven years straight*, getting swept in several of those. ;)

Posted by: satch | April 10, 2008 10:38 PM

me that means you have 3 hall of famers that are extremely hungry!!! That's scary! We may have our own Big 3 with all-star credentials, but none of our players are HOF locks at this point at all.

Posted by: Rob P | April 10, 2008 10:08 PM


Rob P,
I wouldn't consider Pierce or Allen a lock for the HOF. I'll grant you, with 20,000 points and 8,000 rebounds, that KG is probably a lock for the Hall.

Allen (8-time NBA All-Star) has 18,000 points in a 12-year career. Numbers that are very similar to Mitch Richmond (ROY, 6-Time NBA All-Star, 21ppg career scoring average, 20,497 points in 976 games) ... and Richmond is not in the Hall.

If you think Pierce is a Lock, then you should think that Jamison is a Lock too... They have very similar numbers (except Pierce scores a bit more, and Jamison rebounds a bit more). AND one reason that Pierce's scoring is a bit higher than Jamison may be the type of teams he played on. He was the ONLY option on Offense for many years with the Celtics. You'll notice that his scoring averages decreased this year (with the additional help from KG and Allen) ... Whereas Jamison was frequently the 2nd or 3rd option (even coming off the bench one year for Dallas, and winning the 6th Man of the year). Quite frankly, based on their numbers so far, neither one deserves to be in the Hall.

Also, I can't imagine Boston's big-3 being "more hungry" for an NBA title than Washington's... I think that guys like Caron Butler, Antawn Jamison and Arenas are plenty hungry for a title. And they've been playing together for the last several years, IN THE PLAYOFFS!!!

Just my opinion... (and, btw I respect yours)..

Posted by: Rook | April 10, 2008 10:51 PM

But, why do you keep saying that we have more playoff experience?

Posted by: Rob P | April 10, 2008 10:28 PM

What I said was "The Wiz have more current playoff experience.

The core of the Wizards team has been to the Playoffs, for the past 3 years. When was the last time any one of the big-3 for Boston went to the Playoffs? Much less, together, as a team... I think playing together recently in the Playoffs counts more than individual Playoff experience from 5 years ago? (8 years ago?, when was it for Pierce? for Allen? for KG?)

It's also one of the MAJOR reasons I like Detroit in the East and the Spurs in the West... Because the core of their teams have been to the Playoffs, together, for a long time.

Posted by: Rook | April 10, 2008 10:59 PM

when was it for Pierce? for Allen? for KG?

I'll answer my own question..

KG last went to the Playoffs in 2004.
Allen last went in 2005
Pierce last went in 2005.

Point is, none of them have been to the Playoffs recently.... and they have not gone as a TEAM (together) at all.

Posted by: Rook | April 10, 2008 11:03 PM

From Ivan's article today:
"Arenas hasn't spoken to reporters since he made his ballyhooed return last week"

OMG...

At least he didn't say "much ballyhooed"...

Posted by: Anonymous | April 10, 2008 11:10 PM

Sorry, that was Michael Lee's article.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 10, 2008 11:12 PM

Well, if we're measuring playoff experience of the team as a whole, Washington really doesn't have that much useful collective experience.

The Wizards have made it to the playoffs 4 years in a row, but Jamison, Arenas, Haywood, and Thomas are the only guys who've been here for all 4 of those years. Thomas isn't playing this season. Arenas and Butler both sat out the playoffs last season. And given that the team got swept, I don't know how valuable the experience was for the rest of the guys who did play. Plus, Blatche, who's a key reserve now, didn't even play in the playoffs his rookie year and barely played last year (a total of 25 minutes in two games; he didn't even get off the bench in the other two). Many of the other guys who played significant roles in those previous playoff runs are long gone (Dixon, Hughes, Ruffin, Jeffries, Blake) are long gone.

The Wizards edge over Boston in collective playoff experience is probably pretty negligible given that they've never made it past the second round and two of their 4 playoff experiences ended in sweeps. They've gotten to the playoffs, but have they really proven they know what to do when they get there? It would be different if they were a team like Detroit, that not only goes to the playoffs every year, but goes far. But they're not.

Part of leadership is setting a tone for the rest of the team and using your individual experience to make sure they remain focused on what needs to be done. Boston's three leaders have played twice as many individual playoff games as Washington's big three (60 vs. 121), and each of them has made it to the conference finals at least once, something none of the Wizards Big three have done (although Daniels has, winning a title; but then Sam Cassell has won two titles and James Posey has one, so Boston still has the edge). Boston's leaders probably have the advantage because they've been there more and gone farther than any of the Wizards.

Posted by: kalorama | April 10, 2008 11:33 PM

So is CB still hurt? What is wrong with him? Yes he plays well, but he is clearly not back up to his pre-allstar game self. Without his return to form, the Wiz will have a very difficult time making it out of the first round. What is it going to take to get him healthy, a couple of games rest, like AJ perhaps? If so, lets do it before the playoffs start, Eddie.

Posted by: oddjob | April 10, 2008 11:35 PM

CORRECTION:

I meant to say:

"The Wizards have made it to the playoffs 3 years in a row, but Jamison, Arenas, Haywood, and Thomas are the only guys who've been here for all 3 of those years."

Obviously, this is the 4th year.

Posted by: kalorama | April 10, 2008 11:39 PM

"From Ivan's article today:
"Arenas hasn't spoken to reporters since he made his ballyhooed return last week"

OMG...

At least he didn't say "much ballyhooed"...

Posted by: | April 10, 2008 11:10 PM "

LOL!

I'm glad Ivan is open minded enough to use the discussions on this blog as material on his articles.

I recall not long ago that he mentioned that Les BouleS doctors are shockingly off limits especially compared to the Skins doctorcs, which I wrote on here also.

Posted by: DC Man88 | April 11, 2008 12:49 AM

"DCMan, if you dont like the Wizards so much, then why do you continue to post here?

You just like to make chaos, and constantly stir up personal attacks. Just let people be happy and discuss their team. You have taken away from this board with your ego trip rants. Just let it go, for the sake of everyone here.

Posted by: Roman | April 10, 2008 6:51 PM "

Where does it state one must drink the Les BouleS kool-aid before posting?

Posted by: DC Man88 | April 11, 2008 12:51 AM

Where does it state one must drink the Les BouleS kool-aid before posting?

Posted by: DC Man88 | April 11, 2008 12:51 AM

Nowhere DC Idiot, but it doesn't say one should drink the Anti Les BouleS Vitriol either...

Posted by: Anonymous | April 11, 2008 1:22 AM

Well, if we're measuring playoff experience of the team as a whole, Washington really doesn't have that much useful collective experience.

The Wizards have made it to the playoffs 4 years in a row, but Jamison,
Posted by: kalorama | April 10, 2008 11:33 PM

Your post, as usual, is logically explained... and elegantly written, however, I still argue that recent Playoff experience is more important than ancient history... And that recent Playoffs experienced with multiple current team members, is more important still.

KG went to the Playoffs 7 consecutive years with Minnesota. What did he learn? To lose in 4 or 5 games, EVERY YEAR? AND he has not played with his current teammates in a single recent Playoff game.

On the other hand, Detroit (and San Antonio) have been to the Playoffs with their "core" team for many years. And, I still maintain that the last three years for the Wizards in the Playoffs are more important than KG's Playoff run 5 years ago.

The last 25 years have proven that a team usually does not win a Championship unless they go to the Playoffs with their "core" guys, for at least 2 years. The only exception to that rule that I've seen in the last 25 years is Miami in 2006.

The Lakers acquired Shaq and Kobe in 1996. Four year later, they won the Championship.

Detroit acquired Billups and Hamilton in 2002 (Wallace was already there) - in 2004 they won the Championship.

The Spurs have done it twice. First with Duncan and Robinson. Then again with Duncan, Ginobli and Parker.

Show me a team that was thrown together in 1 year that won the Championship....(other than Miami)...

Posted by: Rook | April 11, 2008 1:54 AM

Eddie Jordan said earlier that he is looking at an 8-9 man playoff rotation.

There is no way that AB is sitting this year.

Sub patterns past GA and DSong will be situational, the only players who will for sure stay on the bench except in case of blowouts are MacGuire and Pecherov.

I expect Nik Young will get a serious audition against Detroit tonight, especially if GA is held out to go against Philly Saturday.

Posted by: khrabb | April 11, 2008 4:12 AM

Rob P, that post I wrote about the Wiz being better came from Doc Rivers not me. Pretty much ALL of the coaches in the NBA are saying the same thing. So, what makes you all the final authority on Gil's value to the WIZ. My opinion is of the same as the coaches in the league. I am glad he is on our team and I love the way the game changes when he steps on he floor. As Lady Wizz said, with Gil coming in with our second unit, we WILL be a force to be reckoned with. As long as we stay healthy and play within the system.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 11, 2008 7:27 AM

Rook, I thought we were cool. Then you had to go and mention the words 'Mitch Richmond'. Why don't you just say 'Otis Thorpe' and drive the stake COMPLETELY through my chest. Ugh !

Posted by: mark | April 11, 2008 7:39 AM

"Nowhere DC Idiot, but it doesn't say one should drink the Anti Les BouleS Vitriol either...

Posted by: | April 11, 2008 1:22 AM "

Too bad, that's your problemo.

Posted by: DC Man88 | April 11, 2008 8:02 AM

Rook, I thought we were cool. Then you had to go and mention the words 'Mitch Richmond'. Why don't you just say 'Otis Thorpe' and drive the stake COMPLETELY through my chest. Ugh !

Posted by: mark | April 11, 2008 7:39 AM


LOL

Posted by: Rook | April 11, 2008 9:37 AM

Show me a team that was thrown together in 1 year that won the Championship....(other than Miami)...

First of all, I never said Boston was going to win the title. I said that the more extensive playoff experience of their three leaders probably gives them a better advantage than the limited collective playoff experience of Washington's. And that's where I still stand.

That being said, however ... you just answered your own question. Miami did it. So obviously, it can be done. You can't just arbitrarily dismiss them like their title doesn't count. Especially since you seem to have such a jones for recent experience. Well, recent experience in the form of the Heat says a team that imports a superstar future HoFer and pairs him with an incumbent perennial All-Star can win a title. Not saying that they will, but their chances of doing so are better than the Wizards'.

Posted by: kalorama | April 11, 2008 9:52 AM

Caron's bday video - scroll down to middle of page:

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/

Posted by: Anonymous | April 11, 2008 10:04 AM

We need Ivan back! Michael has been M.I.A.

Posted by: LooseCannon | April 11, 2008 10:55 AM

This is interesting:
http://www.82games.com/BYPOSIT.HTM

It shows the Wizards' power forwards (Jamison, mostly) have led the team this year. It's interesting to look at the Cavaliers -- good front court, horrible backcourt. If the Wizards play the Cavs in the playoffs, Daniels, Gilbert, Stevenson and Mason really need to take advantage of their backcourt.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 11, 2008 11:16 AM

Agreed, anon. Their backcourt is vulnerable. In fact, if we stick to a solid defensive plan and force LeBron to beat us, we win. Triple teaming him to leave Zer-b-ack (I'm not even gonna try), Joe Smith or Gibson open is the formula for losing. I'm ok with LeBron scoring 55 if we hold the other guys to 30. Play him man up and make him play some defense. Run his man around a bunch of screens to wear him down. I read somewhere that he's 265-270 lbs. No way he can play at his above the rim pace and stay fresh for 40 minutes.

Posted by: mark | April 11, 2008 11:28 AM

on the other hand, if he scores 55, that means our entire starting 5 has probably fouled out thanks to the 'stripes'.

Posted by: mark | April 11, 2008 11:29 AM

on the OTHER other hand, I don't think NBA refs wear stripes. I guess I shouldn't be calling them zebras.

Posted by: mark | April 11, 2008 11:45 AM

I went to the Celt game. Great atmosphere, Ivan should be happy with the crowd. Lots of Celtics fans there though. If the Wiz can continue to bring the intensity and confidence, 2nd round is a definite possibility. Anything else is gravy. Gilbert is the man. GO WIZ.

Posted by: skippypnut | April 11, 2008 11:45 AM

Flip Saunders says he will play his starters 22-23 minutes max for the rest of the regular season.
http://freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080410/SPORTS03/804100404/1051/SPORTS03

Ergo, this would be a good night to rest Gil. The Sixers are going to be a handful on Saturday.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 11, 2008 1:23 PM

1. New Arenas blog out today
2. NHL Stanley Cup playoffs at the same time as Wizards at Detroit!
Which one to watch? - just kidding, the Wizards game of course!!!!
The Wiz game will be on an alternate Comcast channel.

Posted by: rgz | April 11, 2008 3:00 PM

Channel 8 in your RCN cable listings.

Posted by: kalorama | April 11, 2008 3:08 PM

I'm thinking the game tonight will be on 657 on DirecTV, but I may be wrong. 629 is the normal Comcast SportsNet channel, but they are now showing the Caps game. Anyone know?

Posted by: CN | April 11, 2008 3:39 PM

Don't worry all ... looks like everyone will be able to see the game. Here is the link for where to find the game:

http://www.nba.com/wizards/news/wizbroadcastchange_080410.html

Posted by: 2cents | April 11, 2008 4:14 PM

There is only one solution to dealing with DC Man88:

We are all going to have to abandon this blog, permanently. If this fool posts and no one responds, that won't be good enough. We have to completely leave here and then DC Man88 will be posting to himself. That would be funny and sad. But it's the only way.

This way, Ivan and Mike and the W. Post will realize they should have blocked DC Man88.

We can still read Ivan and Mike's blog entries. But to defeat DC Man88, we have to stop posting and reading the reader posts.

Adios. I'll never be back, and I encourage all sane people to say goodbye, too. Too bad, but there are other blogs and they require signing in and they are moderated to screen out fools like DC Man88.

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