Doug Collins Coming Back?

Several reports out of Chicago have TNT basketball analyst and former Bulls, Pistons and Wizards Coach Doug Collins leaving his comfy seat along Kevin Harlan to get back into coaching. I guess we can assume that Kwame Brown has scratched the Bulls off the list of teams he'll consider when he enters free agency this summer.

Earlier this month, Collins said he had no interest in coaching again, after his name surfaced in rumors surrounding the Milwaukee Bucks and Phoenix Suns vacancies. I guess his former player, John Paxson, was persuasive enough to lure him back. Why would Doug do this to himself?


You want to come back with me? (AP Photo)

I really like Collins in the booth. He's one of the best announcers in the game. He usually provides pretty good insight and opinions. Maybe he still feels the need to make amends for the sour ending here in Washington (this is the one spot on his resume where he failed to make the playoffs or have a winning record - despite having Michael Jordan on his roster). Maybe the prospect of coaching a young, up-and-coming team intrigues him. Maybe he just wants some more deep dish pizza. Or maybe it's all of the above.

The irony here is that the Bulls have the No. 1 pick in the NBA draft next month, meaning that Collins will have the responsibility of molding another young player with potential. I think we all have a pretty good memory of how that turned out. I wonder if Michael Beasley or Derrick Rose plan on giving Brown a call.

I never covered Collins as a head coach (although I always enjoyed talking to him whenever the Hawks played Michael Jordan) but I understand that the man is really intense.

Even with Kwame Brown not around, that first Wizards-Bulls game should be pretty fun, huh?

UPDATE: Doug Collins, who is in Los Angeles broadcasting the Western Conference finals, has issued a statement through TNT denying that anything has been finalized: "I have spoken with Bulls management recently about their head coaching vacancy and will resume conversations after the conclusion of my work for TNT in the Western Conference Finals. There is no agreement in place."

By Michael Lee |  May 29, 2008; 1:07 PM ET
Previous: Final Thoughts (Maybe) On The Non-Call | Next: Arenas update

Comments

Please email us to report offensive comments.



It's actually a team with a lot of young talent and the top pick. If he wins, he's a great coach and teacher. If he loses, well this is a team that was a loser anyway and needs time to develop. If he's getting paid top dollar, it was a good move on his part. He'll be gone in 2 years anyway.

Posted by: mark | May 29, 2008 1:17 PM

more recycled coaching. collins is better in the booth than he was on the floor. wonder what larry hughes thinks about the hire.

Posted by: G$ | May 29, 2008 1:40 PM

The NBA is going to fine players for flopping next year.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 29, 2008 1:59 PM

spot on G dollar sign, Collins is way better in the booth.

The NBA should not fine floppers but they should do want soccer does, give the flopper a foul. Make a Flagrant 1 a flop instead of what PJ Brown did yesterday which was nothing more than a shooting foul. It works very well in soccer, those that flop receive a yellow.

Posted by: NFeKPo | May 29, 2008 2:23 PM

*what soccer does not want soccer does

Posted by: Anonymous | May 29, 2008 2:25 PM

I'd be surprised if Wizards fans are any more jazzed for a Bulls game now that Doug Collins is the coach.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 29, 2008 2:30 PM

Hmmm, will Dougie Collins burn bridges with the players faster than Scott Skiles? Probably.

Has Dougie Collins learned from how he PO'd MJ and mentally tortured Kwame? Probably not.

The last thing Dougie Collins needs to be is coaching a team as mentally fragile as the Bulls. Noah could be his next b$tch boy.

Posted by: DC Man88 | May 29, 2008 2:33 PM

I don't get why he is going back to coaching. I can remember joking with friends about how good he'd look at the beginning of the season when he coached the Wiz, and by the all-star game came around he looked like an old leather hand bag that wanted to kill himself. I guess coaching MJ and Kwame will do that to anyone though.

Posted by: CRitch | May 29, 2008 2:53 PM

Why do anything about the flopping ? Once a guy gives us a few open layups because he didn't get the call, they'll stop. Give them technicals if they complain about the non call but that's it. If they fall and wind up fouling someone because of the flop, them call a foul on them. No drastic measures need to be taken. If you don't want flops, stop calling offensive fouls when a defender flops. Instruct the players to keep playing til they hear the whistle. simple.

Posted by: mark | May 29, 2008 3:02 PM

Call me cynical but is it a coincidence that whenever the integrity of the game comes into question, doesn't another story come out to steal the headline? Why does this flopping story come out the same day that a crucial call is being scrutinized? Are they changing the flopping rule today? Couldn't that story have waited?
I remember that Tim Donaghy's story was rushed out of the headlines, too. Just a couple of weeks ago when he implicated other refs, not a peep was heard from the Association.

Posted by: mark | May 29, 2008 3:07 PM

Doug Collins is irrelevant, no one cares what he does at least not around here. It is the most unimginative, play-it-safe decision any GM can make. "He was an NBA coach once therefore he can be an NBA coach again". Doug Collins will not win any championships. The Bulls players tuned out a screaming coach last season, well they will get another one. If it hellps Chicago or whoever hires him eventually to lose even more games, then so much the better for Washington.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 29, 2008 3:29 PM

Are we really blaming Doug Collins for how Kwame developed? I think history has let Doug off the hook somewhat for this.

Posted by: Mike (washington, dc) | May 29, 2008 3:34 PM

Somewhat, maybe. A really good coach would have done a better job with Kwame. There is enough blame to go around.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 29, 2008 3:45 PM

what...Kwame is available? Wait and see. Someone will sign him for the mid-level exception.

Posted by: oddjob | May 29, 2008 3:55 PM

didnt we hear after the san antonio-lakers game that brent barry should have flopped more in order to get that call? weird.

Posted by: Matt | May 29, 2008 4:23 PM

"Why do anything about the flopping ? Once a guy gives us a few open layups because he didn't get the call, they'll stop."

The same thing happens in soccer (guy misses chances due to diving), but it doesn't stop the flopping. I fully support the fine, and would support even more a foul called for an attempted flop. It's embarrassing for the sport.

Posted by: psps23 | May 29, 2008 4:32 PM

Certainly Kwame deserves blame for his own shortcomings, but Collins and Jordan did the kid no favors either. Having taken an unready high schooler as the first pick, it was their job to put him in the best position to succeed and they didn't do that. Just the opposite, really. He was a potentially valuable asset that they mismanaged badly.

Collins is an interesting choice for the Bulls job. He's a good teacher and has a history of taking young raw teams and pointing them on the road to success, but he's also got a hard-charging approach that tends to wear out his players' tolerance rather quickly. He brings teams to the brink of real success, but usually ends getting fired and having the team hand the reigns over to someone else for the stretch run. Basically, he's in the same mold as Scott Skiles, the guy they just fired. If they'd canned Skiles at the end of last season like they should have, they could have brought in a coach who was ready to build on the foundation Skiles established. But by sticking too long with Skiles they let the foundation crumble and now they have to start building it again from the ground up.

Posted by: kalorama | May 29, 2008 4:50 PM

Kalorama was right on it MJ and Doug tortured Kwame, turned him into a silly putty, and he has been shell shocked ever since.Kwame was a momma's boy,and from the backwoods of Georgia too boot he didn't even know how to get his suits dry cleaned the Wizards didn't help getting him acclamated to the big city,hiring Doug is going to be a mistake big time for the Bulls.

Posted by: dargregmag@aol.com | May 29, 2008 5:37 PM

I hope the bulls are in for another losing season. Collins will alienate all of his players. He sucks in the booth, hes got nothing on my man Jeff Van Gundy

Posted by: dcwizard | May 29, 2008 8:05 PM

Ivan, didn't you say you'd be down in Orlando for the pre-draft camp? Honestly, If I wanted to read about general NBA press I go to a national web page, when I want to read about the Wizards I come here. Where is the pre-draft updates? What are the Wizards scouts saying about the prospects down ther?

Posted by: I thought this was a Wizards board? | May 29, 2008 11:44 PM

Ivan, didn't you say you'd be down in Orlando for the pre-draft camp? Honestly, If I wanted to read about general NBA press I go to a national web page, when I want to read about the Wizards I come here. Where is the pre-draft updates? What are the Wizards scouts saying about the prospects down ther?

Posted by: I thought this was a Wizards board? | May 29, 2008 11:44 PM

I agree 100 %

Posted by: me too!! | May 30, 2008 12:40 AM

Posted by: I thought this was a Wizards board? | May 29, 2008 11:44 PM

Another moron come lately.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 1:57 AM

John Hollinger on the ESPN website wrote three observations on why Collins is the wrong coach for the Bulls. His second point was that Collins is no good with young players and specifically pointed to Collins' dismal coaching in Washington, going beyond the Kwame saga - relying on over the hill players like Byron Russell, Charles Oakley & Popeye Jones while sitting youngsters who needed coaching & experience Bobby Simmons, Brian Cardinal and Brendan Haywood.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=hollinger_john&page=Collins-080529

But as others have said, if Chicago loses more games, the better it is for Washington.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 2:05 AM

Doug Collins is Scott Skiles with slightly more hair and a 48 trouser leg. Chicago will be a mess until Collins and Paxson are both gone, which is fine for us (as others have noted).

Ivan, what news from Orlando?

Posted by: khrabb | May 30, 2008 6:10 AM

Gotta chime in on the Kwame thing. I saw him in a high school all star game with Curry and TJ Ford and Ford was the best player on the floor followed closely by Kwame. He was raw but had good potential. Collins and MJ may have been on his back but they aren't the ones fumbling the ball off his hands 6 years into the league. His problem is his small hands. He can't hold onto the ball. With normal hands for his size, he'd have turned out to be a completely different player because he had a combination of quickness and size that was rarely seen. I think Collins is a retread and gonna be average in Chicago. I also think that Kwame was destined for busthood.

Posted by: mark | May 30, 2008 7:17 AM

Collins is a retread who's track record with developing young talent is well documented by all of the posters. He'll screw up Noah and Beasley/Rose who are kids that need a nurturing type of coach to help them develop. The core of the Bulls team is very young and would benefit from a younger coach who can relate to the players. Give Dougie two years or less and they'll be running him out of Chicago. His best place is in the TV booth where he actually does a good job.

Posted by: wizfan89 | May 30, 2008 9:16 AM

Is Ivan in Orlando?

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 10:34 AM

I'm just trying to liven up some discussion here, don't mean to step on anyone's toes. The experts are showing mostly forwards at Washington's draft picks. Draftexpress has Nicolas Batum a 6'8" SF from the French league for the Wizards pick at 18, with others that might be interesting for us like Joe Alexander another 6'8" SF at 13 for the Trailblazers, Kosta Koufos a 7'1" C from Ohio State at 14 for the Warriors.
ESPN has 7'0" PF Javale McGee at 18 for the Wiz while they have Koufos at 19 for the Cavaliers. In the second round, Draftexpress has a 6'9" PF Joe Dorsey at 47 for the Wiz while I think another interesting 6'10" PF/SF Pat Calathes is at 49 for the Warriors.
Hopefully Ivan gives us some personal insights from Orlando pre-draft camp. Reports seem to indicate that all these guys are 2nd round or lower prospects hoping to make a good enough impression to get into the first round or 2nd rd, but realistically maybe only about 5 of these will go up to 1st rd.
There are few PG prospects according to the reports, specially around the Wizards spots.
Should Grunfeld take any of these guys, and will they be of use to the Wizards this year other than as trades? Is having another SF option backing up Caron necessary, or is that the role Blatche will fulfill?

Posted by: rgz | May 30, 2008 11:07 AM

Joe Alexander will never fall to the Wizards... I think he'd be a really really good pick, but he'll be snapped up well before #18.


I've already posted a rant about Javale McGee. Poor fundamentals. Poor footwork. A potential, maybe wanna be project for someone to keep on their bench for 4 years hoping for his work ethic, fundamentals and shooting touch to catch up with his overall talent and athleticism. DraftExpress calls him the "worst man to man defender we've ever evaluated in the post".

Kosta Koufos is another Euro style big man. Finesse post game (not a power guy). And he's prone to turn overs. Not a very good passer (in the Princeton??? you need a good passing big)...

As I've said before, I'd like to see the Wizards take either Robin Lopez or Roy Hibbert with the 1st round pick, and Kyle Weaver ( a big, defensive minded PG) with the 2nd round pick.


Posted by: Rook | May 30, 2008 11:21 AM

Joey Dorsey is getting a lot of pub about being the next Ben Wallace if he finds consistency. He may not be around by the time we pick in the 2nd round. Batum is a guy who (supposedly) has great talent but plays as more of a SF. I say 'supposedly' because it's hard to compare foreign guys who you haven't seen against US competition. Darco was young when he was drafted but had 'great talent', too.

Posted by: mark | May 30, 2008 11:35 AM

They would love to have this guy in a Cavs uniform, he played high school ball in Canton, Ohio and spent his college freshman year at Ohio State in Columbus. He also played for Greece in Europe last year, where he helped Greece win the Fiba U-18 championship against Serbia.

Kosta Koufos highlight reel from college games:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uy1oK55kwMc

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 11:39 AM

Nicolas Batum at the Nike Hoop Summit a year ago (USA vs. World)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akr4jxCARXk

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 11:46 AM

Joey Dorsey looks like an excellent defense minded PF. He certainly shows a lot of energy in his highlight reels. Would he be taking minutes away from Dominic as a sub SF?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSLdJeTDuBg

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 11:52 AM

"His problem is his small hands. He can't hold onto the ball. With normal hands for his size, he'd have turned out to be a completely different player because he had a combination of quickness and size that was rarely seen. I think Collins is a retread and gonna be average in Chicago. I also think that Kwame was destined for busthood.

Posted by: mark | May 30, 2008 7:17 AM "

Ummm, Patrick Ewing had the hands of a small man, and he did pretty well in the NBA.

Posted by: DC Man88 | May 30, 2008 12:21 PM

Rook is right on. Robin Lopez would be my choice. He is a taller varejao who could bring energy, defense, shot blocking, and rebounding off the bench immediately. he also has the potential to be a decent offensive player down the road (he made major strides in the second half of this season).

Weaver is intriguing as a second rounder. I'm not sure he'll last that long tho...

Posted by: Peter | May 30, 2008 12:31 PM

The problem went beyond Kwame's hands. Once he bobbled a ball or two, he lost all confidence. There's no doubt that had we put Kwame in there and let him play through mistakes, he could have been a decent player. Tyson Chandler reportedly has small hands, too and he's doing ok. And to think we could have had him instead.

Posted by: mark | May 30, 2008 1:19 PM

Roy Hibbert has bust written all over him we better not draft him. The wizards need a Dorsey or robin Lopez type player. There is also a lot of talent that could drop to the 2nd round..would love to get well dorsey if he falls but find that hard to believe, gary forbes, Devon hardin, Would love Hendrix, ewing Jr, or even sean singletray, also wouldnt mind weaver who someone else mentioned earlier.

Mark Batum is going to be a stud!! I have seen him in multiple allsat games...hes a little inconsistent but reminds me of a younf joe johnson think he could be a steal. I also think Brandon Rush is going to be a steal late in the 1st he reminds me of scottie pippen just does everything well.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 1:26 PM

I've been watching Batum too, and he looks like a nice player. Problem is that we have an all star playing his position. According to Chad Ford, Hardin is not looking like he's any good at the pre draft camp. I can see us taking Hibbert at 18. It depends on what EG thinks our biggest need is. Based on Hollinger and his PER system, we got killed at SG. That's where the biggest disparity was.
I think the Cavs are just a bad matchup for us and we're actually better than we've looked in the playoffs. Do we want to draft a guy just for the Cavs? That is, do we need a big man more than another SG or SF?
??

Posted by: mark | May 30, 2008 1:56 PM

Kevin Willis had short arms and hands the size of a small girl. Didn't stop him from becoming an all-star.

Posted by: kalorama | May 30, 2008 2:05 PM

Can someone explain why Kevin Love is rated so much higher than Hibbert? The pluses and minuses seem awfully similar.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 2:50 PM

Kevin Love is rumored to have a lot of fire. He was a freshman but was leading the team. You have have the physical tools, but if you don't have the motor, the tools are useless. Look at Hibbert's stat line in his last game of his career at GU.

Posted by: DC Man88 | May 30, 2008 3:19 PM

If Ernie is going to go for a PF/SF instead of a C, I would hesitate to get another 6'9" guy, don't we already have several of those - Etan Thomas, Antawn Jamison, Darius Songaila, Dominic McGuire? Better a 6'10"-6'11" PF with the size & weight to do some damage around the boards. Or a 6'5"-6'7" combo SF/SG/PG. There's a few of these combo guys Chris Douglas-Roberts, Courtney Lee, Malik Hairston, Anton Ponkrashov, the latter two in the 2nd round.

Posted by: rgz | May 30, 2008 4:33 PM

i agree with rook about robin lopez. i think i read one espn report recently that his brother is dropping, as some scouts actually think robin may end up being the better pro. personally, i think his energy and focus defensively, along with his size, would be a huge asset for the wiz.

i also think rush his going to be a good player very early on. unfortunately for us, we have a glut of players at his spot. however, if all the good big men are gone when our pick comes, i'd rather take him than reaching for a big man or pg. i do think he'd be an excellent compliment to arenas in the backcourt. a very good defender, very good size, excellent shooter...

dorsey would be a steal in the second for us. don't think he'll be there though, unless he underperforms in workouts. hardin has always been an underperformer considering he may be the best athlete-for-his-size player in the draft. while i wouldn't draft him in the first, if he's there when we pick in the second, i think he'd be worth looking at.

i know we want/need a young backup pg, but we still have daniels for a few more years, and i think we can pick up a young backup-level pg in free agency this year or the next year.

Posted by: JC | May 30, 2008 4:41 PM

"If Ernie is going to go for a PF/SF instead of a C, I would hesitate to get another 6'9" guy, don't we already have several of those - Etan Thomas, Antawn Jamison, Darius Songaila, Dominic McGuire?"

Size doesn't dictate how big a guy plays. Paul Millsap, Carlos Boozer, and Elton Brand are all 6' 8". Jason Maxiell is listed at 6' 7". But they all play bigger than any of the Wizards so-called bigs.

Posted by: kalorama | May 30, 2008 6:15 PM

"Can someone explain why Kevin Love is rated so much higher than Hibbert? The pluses and minuses seem awfully similar."

Love is only a freshman, thus he has the benefit of being perceived (rightly or wrongly) as having more "upside" than Hibbert, a senior.

Posted by: kalorama | May 30, 2008 6:19 PM

get rid of gilturd.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 9:29 PM

Wizards Offseason
.Resign Gilbert Arenas and Antawn Jamison
.Trade #18 pick and#47 and Antonio Daniels to Kings for #42 and #43 pick and SF. John Salmons and PG.Quincy Douby
we draft at #42 C.DeVon Hardin #43 PG.Goran Dragic(goes overseas)
.Sign Pg.Carlos Arroyo
Depth Chart
PG.Arenas/Arroyo
SG.Stevenson/Young/Douby
SF.Butler/Salmons/McGuire
PF.Jamison//Songaila/Pecherov
C.Haywood/Blatche/Thomas

Posted by: DOMO | May 30, 2008 11:38 PM

Interesting thought DOMO... Kings might not give up both players but Salmons would be a plus... Still leaves us thin in the bully boy power forward area though

Posted by: khrabb | May 31, 2008 9:43 AM

Posted by: DOMO | May 30, 2008 11:38 PM
Why would anyone want Daniels?

get rid of gilturd.
Posted by: | May 30, 2008 9:29 PM
hahaha and send him to Cleveland? No thanks.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 31, 2008 9:46 AM

If you would rather hurt yourself, just don't help your enemy.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 31, 2008 10:48 AM

DOMO after reading your trade moves i have to tell you, you made a lot of moves and put a lot of thought into but the outcome is the same starting 5 and the same depth at the bigs which is what we really need. So put that mind back to work and figure out a way to get depth at the 4 and/or 5 position.

Posted by: NFeKPo | May 31, 2008 11:51 AM

I don't know whether Larry Hughes has a player option, but I bet that if he doesn't, he sure wishes he did. If the Bulls hire Collins, LH is going to be the highest-paid benchwarmer in the league.

Posted by: John Brisker | May 31, 2008 9:30 PM

Big Fan of Doug Collins as an analyst. Just doesn't translate to the floor as a coach.

btw, just read the Kupchak article. I remember as a kid, he was the mythical 'Andre Blatche' type talent but with more grit & desire than AB. Anyhow, I remember him leaving in free agency, thought it was bad move for the aging Bullets. & time has shown it was.

Posted by: Victor | May 31, 2008 11:31 PM

Wizards Offseason
Resign Gilbert Arenas and Antawn Jamison
Trade #18 pick and Etan Thomas and Olexiy Pecherov to Sonics for #24 pick and Chris Wilcox and Adrian Griffin
we draft at #24 PG.Mario Chalmers and #47 PF.Othello Hunter
Free agency we sign C.Lorenzen Wright
Depth Chart
PG.Arenas/Daniels/Chalmers
SG.Stevenson/Young/Griffin
SF.Butler/McGuire
PF.Jamison/Wilcox/Songaila/Hunter
C.Haywood/Blatche/Wright

Posted by: Domo | June 1, 2008 10:09 AM

We don't need to go screwing around with our roster. When we're healthy, we can be damn good. Unless we can fleece someone and be on the Laker side of a Gasol-type trade, we're better off maintaining continuity.

Our personnel needs right now are pretty basic. Going into next season, the only thing we need is a third point guard. That should be easy to address- if we don't like anyone in the draft, we can easily get a veteran 3rd PG out of the DL or Europe. Whoever we pick up, hopefully they'll never see the court except for garbage time.

Long term, in the next few years we need to replace AD and Etan. Future second-string 1's and 5's, that's what we should be looking for in the draft.

We run the Princeton offense- it's what gives us our edge. It lets us win without a traditional post player or a traditional point guard. With the Princeton, we can contend with a couple of misfit tweener starters like AJ and GA, guys who would be relegated to sixth man roles on any other contender. But the Princeton is different from what most teams run, it's not what most players know, and it's not easy to learn. As a result, even more than for other teams, continuity is essential for us.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 1, 2008 7:32 PM

ROY HIBBERT!!! He is familiar with the princeton offense he just needs someone to light a fire under his butt,I like him more than the Lopez brothers. He has size shooting touch and he is coachable. I saw the Lopez brothers play several times specifically against UCLA, and Kevin Love took both of them to the woodshed.I'm not sure we should toy with the roster continuity counts for a lot in the pro's when you make changes you are asking for a lot, personalities have to mesh and EJ's offense is complicated, and it takes a while for new players to adjust.

Posted by: DARGREGMAG@AOL.COM | June 1, 2008 8:41 PM

I can't think of any/many players who had questionable "fire" problems and ended up being great players.

In fact, many more players who've had the talent but not the fire ended up being huge busts.

Seniors coming out of college shouldn't need to be fire up or coddled. There's little upside with Hibbert.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 1, 2008 11:11 PM

I don't see where Hibbert has any "Fire" issues. It's not like he's a loafer or a slacker. He worked his ass off to go from being a gangly project that Big John Thompson called a "stiff" as a freshman to becoming a first team all Big East and 2nd team All-American and likely first round NBA pick. The guy knows how to work hard to improve and isn't afraid of it. Just because he's not a chest-thumping, rah-rah kind of guy doesn't mean he's not fired up to win.

Posted by: kalorama | June 2, 2008 2:30 AM

Roy Hibbert could be a very good complementary player. His junior season showed what he can do in that role. He struggled this year as the go-to guy when opponents keyed their defense on him, but that's never going to happen in the NBA.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 2, 2008 7:20 AM

Gilbert is being his usual coy self, interesting update!

The more I see of the draft charts, I am still in favor of drafting Hibbert if he is avaialble at the 18 spot as projected.

I have the gnawing feeling that the Lopez twins are the Collins twins of 2008, and should be avoided at all costs.

Posted by: khrabb | June 2, 2008 7:24 AM

I'm feeling the same gnaw, khrabb. As for this article from Ivan... What exactly does 'Gilbert's been cleared to begin rehabilitation' mean? Was he told not to rehab for a while? What exactly is going on with his knee that he had to be cleared to rehab? It was my understanding that he'd been rehabbing since his surgery in November. Did he have some procedure we don't know about?

Posted by: mark | June 2, 2008 7:44 AM

Long term, in the next few years we need to replace AD and Etan. Future second-string 1's and 5's, that's what we should be looking for in the draft.

Posted by: | June 1, 2008 7:32 PM

Completely agree... That's why I think the Wizards should use their #18 & #47 picks to address those needs.

I'm assuming that a top prospect is not going to fall to the Wizards at #18... Guys I really like (Westbrook, Joe Alexander, and Kevin Love) will already be gone.

My first choice: Robin Lopez is a legit 7-footer. High energy player. Good defensively and on the boards. Poor offensive player, but then again, the Wizards won't really need their backup Center to score much. Plays focused the whole game. Hard worker. Extremely motivated.

My backup plan is Roy Hibbert - Another very hard worker. Played in the Princeton Offense. 4 years at a Major University in a Major conference, playing against top competition. Great passer from the high and low post. Good footwork. Few turnovers. High shooting percentage. Good one-on-one defender. Weakness: rebounding, perimeter defense - best case, another Ilgauskas, worst case, another Calvin Booth. (Not a very high upside, not a very low downside)

Second round, with pick #47 - The Wizards need to start grooming a young PG to take over when Antonio Daniels can no longer be the backup. At this spot, I again looked for someone with a defensive mind set. Kyle Weaver (6′5″ 201) - SIZE & DEFENSE. Tough. Hard worker. Combo guard, but I see him as a big PG in the NBA. Long arms. One of the best defenders in college basketball (he helped shut down OJ Mayo, and Jerryd Bayless - lottery picks - and highly regarded freshman James Hardin earlier this year). Very good assist to turn over ratio. Very good handle. Good FT shooter. Weaknesses: Mid range Shooting (Dave Hoopla, anyone?), skinny.

A lot of mock drafts were projecting him higher in the 2nd round, but he foolishly declined an invitation to the NBA Pre-Draft Camp. THAT will hurt his rankings, and will almost certainly cause him to fall into the lower half of the 2nd round. It also got me thinking about his intelligence.... but even with that mistake, he's my first choice for the Wizards pick at # 47 in the Second round.


Posted by: Rook | June 2, 2008 9:56 AM

After reading Ivan's article today, you have to feel sorry for EG and his pending negotiations with Gilby as Gilby will be without an agent.

Thus, EG will have to deal with a guy who's uninformed, unaware of cap knowledge, immature, and unpredictable.

It might make for a good reality show episode.

"Gilby Go Gets his Money."

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 2, 2008 12:05 PM

"I don't see where Hibbert has any "Fire" issues. It's not like he's a loafer or a slacker. He worked his ass off to go from being a gangly project that Big John Thompson called a "stiff" as a freshman to becoming a first team all Big East and 2nd team All-American and likely first round NBA pick. The guy knows how to work hard to improve and isn't afraid of it. Just because he's not a chest-thumping, rah-rah kind of guy doesn't mean he's not fired up to win.

Posted by: kalorama | June 2, 2008 2:30 AM "

I think there was an article earlier in the year directly about Hibbert and his motivation issues. It also spoke about how JT3 had to get on his case.

If he gets drafted by the Wiz, we all know that EJ isn't the motivator type and won't get on their cases. If anything, EJ will do the opposite by taking it to the press. Ref. BTH's situation.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 2, 2008 12:20 PM

"I think there was an article earlier in the year directly about Hibbert and his motivation issues. It also spoke about how JT3 had to get on his case."

And when do you "think" this happened? Because if was talking about his early college career, it just underscores my point. He came in raw and put in the work to get better over the course of time. Having learned how to do that, and seen the positive results, there's no reason to think he'll just give up now.

Posted by: kalorama | June 2, 2008 12:31 PM

I believe it was early in this past college season. I remember reading it. I think the article also mentioned how Hibbert has been working out with BTH and how BTH has been mentoring him. Those two are supposedly close.

Whatever the case may be, Hibbert surely had a not so ideal final game of his college career during March Madness.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 2, 2008 12:54 PM

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 2, 2008 1:12 PM

And judging his entire worth by one game is certainly the best way to evaluate him.

Posted by: kalorama | June 2, 2008 1:12 PM

Ok, in contrast, then if he had a great game his final game, but still lost, then those in the pro-Hibbert camp would be jumping up and down on how great he is.

His team needed him for that last game and he responded with 5 fouls, 6 points, in 16 minutes. I think Davidson played an uptempo long range game, and clearly Hibbert was out of his element. Hibbert may thrive better in a San Antonio style offense, not one with Gilby at the 1.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 2, 2008 1:35 PM

And so - - - - - DC Man88, your opinion for what the Wizards should do with the pick at #18?

And please be sure to include any salary cap ramifications. Trades must match salaries. Any trade scenarios should be serious and beneficial for both teams (ie: no Pecherov for AK47 trades)...

I can see you're not too high on Hibbert... So - who, in your opinion, should the Wizards draft? Or what should they do with their Draft picks?

Posted by: Rook | June 2, 2008 1:51 PM

We would be looking at Hibbert as a backup center. He would be playing with AD, not GA. Or maybe with AD's replacement, since Hibbert won't be getting much court time for a couple of years, and AD will be reaching the end of his contract (career?).

Posted by: Anonymous | June 2, 2008 1:58 PM

while his performance in his last game in college was pretty weak, i don't think you can judge hibbert on just that one game.

that being said, i still don't like him for the wizards, mainly because of his athleticism and style of play. yes, he knows the princeton offense, and has skills. but the wiz are also a very up tempo team with players that love to push the ball up and down the floor, and score off of the break.

obviously, its very hard to tell who will stil lbe there at the 18 spot. mock drafts in the the nba are notoriously off, as no doubt gms are feeding tons of false info. but it looks like there are a crop of about 5-8 centers that are about equal in value, each offering their own specific pluses and minuses.

besides the 4th pick, seattle also has the 24th and 32nd. we could talk to them about trading the 18th and 47th for their last 2 picks, and maybe take one of their 2 pgs in exchange for a big man like songaila or thomas. this is alla ssuming beasley doesn't somehow drop to them at the 4 spot, in which case they'll probably be drafting a pg type player and will want to give him as much playing time as possible.

we'd then have that second pg, and while not super young, still 4-5 years younger than daniels. and while lopez and hibbert will probably be gone (though at 24, we still could have a shot at one of them), we'd definitely be able to get 2 of the following: DeVon Hardin, J. J. Hickson, Serge Ibaka, Alexis Ajinca, D.J. White, Jason Thompson, Marreese Speights, Ryan Anderson, Joey Dorsey.

heck, maybe they'd even consider giving us Watson, Ridnour, Wilcox, 24th pick, 32nd pick in exchange for Daniels, Songaila, Thomas, 18th pick, 47th pick, and our first pick next year...

Posted by: JC | June 2, 2008 2:03 PM

There's nothing about Hibbert's athleticism that would impede the Wizards offense. Very few teams make a habit of running 5 man fast breaks and the Wizards sure as hell aren't one of them. Big men almost always trail the play on the break, and it's not uncommon for the last man back to score on an open jumpshot in the lane when the defense stops the initial break by getting back and packing the paint to prevent the layup. (Kareem and Bill Laimbeer, among others, did it quite regularly.) Last I checked, Haywood wasn't exactly filling up the scoring column on fast break transition layups, so there's no reason to expect Hibbert to, or to hold it against him if he doesn't.

Posted by: kalorama | June 2, 2008 2:37 PM

I know this comment may break up the flow of this blog but do we really want a potential backup C with this pick when our starter is still young? Shouldn't we be looking for a PF instead?

Posted by: mark | June 2, 2008 2:42 PM

JC, There's really no reason why Seattle would want two overpaid journeyman like Songaila or Thomas enough to move down in the draft to get them. They're a young team on a long-term rebuilding plan. 30+ year-old vets on sizable long-term deals have no value to them. If that weren't the case, they wouldn't have gotten rid of Szerbiack and Kurt Thomas.

Posted by: kalorama | June 2, 2008 2:43 PM

Haywood will be 29 less than a month after next season starts. That's really not that young (in NBA terms). And last I checked, good teams tend to have quality depth, so picking up a rotation quality player at any position is always a good thing, no matter how old, young, good, or bad your starter is.

Posted by: kalorama | June 2, 2008 2:45 PM

Given that, BTH is in great shape and centers in this league last much longer than most other players. Also, what the Wiz ask of BTH isn't like what they ask of Caron. BTH could have a long career similar to guys like PJ Brown.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 2, 2008 2:56 PM

Or he couldn't. That's (A) pure speculation and (B) still not a good enough reason to actively avoid acquiring a quality backup behind him.

Posted by: kalorama | June 2, 2008 3:06 PM

Kal, seattle would be moving UP in the draft, not down. they'd get the 18th pick and another first round pick next year.

and that was a throw off comment at the end of my post, which is why i said "maybe they'd consider." if they draft bayless or mayo at the 4 spot, they're not going to need 2 journeymen pg's making about the same money as thomas and even more than songaila. their draft pick is going to play as much as possible.

what's more important, having 2 backup pgs making about 6 and 7 mil per year? or have one of them and one backup center/pf making 7 mil? the money and length of contract is the same.

as for hibbert, i disagree about his athleticism not being an inhibitor. having trailers on the break is a big advantage in basketball, and something that bigmen like blatche and haywood are both pretty good at. but regardless of whether he'd impede our offense or not, i still think an energetic, aggressive defensive bigman would serve us much better. robin lopez seems to be that type of player, but even if he isn't, i definitely don't think hibbert is....

Posted by: JC | June 2, 2008 4:10 PM

"Or he couldn't. That's (A) pure speculation and (B) still not a good enough reason to actively avoid acquiring a quality backup behind him.

Posted by: kalorama | June 2, 2008 3:06 PM "

I thought Opec/AB were supposed to be the backups.

If Opec is not the backup, with AJ almost certainly resigned for the next 3-5 years and AB better as a 4 than 5, and with VV possibly coming, I don't see Opec getting any PT and thus being absolutely worthless.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 2, 2008 4:25 PM

Seattle also isn't going to need two journeyman big men making more than league average (including one who hasn't played in a year because of heart trouble) when they've already got Wilcox and Collison, who are younger and better. Thomas and Songaila give them nothing on the court that they can't get more of in a better package from guys they've already got. You've made an argument why they might consider trading Watson or Ridnour, but not one that explains why they'd trade them to the Wizards, given how little they have to offer. And there's nothing in there that explains why they'd unload Wilcox in exchange for Thomas/Songaila. Neither the Wizards picks nor their spare part 30+ players are good enough to entice a team like Seattle to give up young, starter quality talent.

"as for hibbert, i disagree about his athleticism not being an inhibitor. having trailers on the break is a big advantage in basketball"

Which is exactly why having Hibbert wouldn't hurt. He'd be the trailer on the break. It's not like he's a plodding Gheorge Muresan or Mark Eaton. He can run the floor and did run the floor on those (admittedly rare) occasions when GTown ran the break. He's not going to win any foot races with Tony parker, but the idea that he's somehow immobile is way overblown around here and makes me wonder if people have actually watched him play.

Posted by: kalorama | June 2, 2008 4:25 PM

"I thought Opec/AB were supposed to be the backups."

Lots of people thought that. But I would think such thinking would have been dispelled after watching Blatche struggle at C (and really only shine when he started in place of Jamison or Butler at the 4 or 5), and watching Pecherov fail to display any resemblance of actual NBA skill.

And I think it's highly unlikely that Veermenko comes over next season, given his rather anemic performance overseas and the fact that adding him would tilt them over the lux tax.

So your basic point is that, of the two young guys who were supposed to be the backup C, one is actually a forward and the other stinks. You're making my argument for me.

Posted by: kalorama | June 2, 2008 4:39 PM

EDIT:

That should read:

(and really only shine when he started in place of Jamison or Butler at the 3 or 4)

Posted by: kalorama | June 2, 2008 4:59 PM

The comments to this entry are closed.

 
 

© 2007 The Washington Post Company