Network News

X My Profile
View More Activity
On Twitter: MrMichaelLee and PostSports  |  Facebook  |  E-mail alerts: Redskins and Sports  |  RSS

Friday update


The Wizards took a look at a few more draft prospects today: F Walter Sharpe (UAB.) C Alexis Ajinca (France), F J.J. Hickson (NC State), G Jonathan Wallace (Georgetown), G Stanley Burrell (Xavier) - he's one of my favorite college players of all-time by the way - and F-C Darian Townes (Arkansas).

One very interesting thing about today's workout: It was the second time that Sharpe visited which tells you that the Wizards must see something they like. He's appears to be a legit 6-9 and is listed at 245-pounds though he's on the skinny side. As I've said before, we don't get to see much of these workouts but what I have seen is a very athletic guy who can get up. I mean, the guy can really throw it down at the end of a fastbreak drill. Whether that translates to the NBA game remains to be seen. The other issue is the guy's past. Wow.

Last season as a sophomore, Sharpe put up 14.2 points and 6.8 rebounds in only 12 games for the Blazers. He was declared academically ineligible in January and then made the interesting decision to declare himself available for the draft. He began his career at Miss. State but left after one season for UAB. Oh, and he's been shot (not that it was his fault).

The site www.bulletsforever.com has an http://www.bulletsforever.com/2008/6/9/548673/the-brief-history-of-walteinteresting wrap up on Sharpe's college journey.

From what I saw today, the player who stood out the most was Hickson, a 6-9, 242-pounder who put up 14.8 points and 8.4 rebounds in 31 games for the Wolfpack last season. The kid has broad shoulder and looked very explosive in the little bit of today's workout that I saw. He's been projected as a guy who could go anywere from the middle to the late first round. He's worked out for 10 teams: Portland, Seattle, Toronto, Denver, Cleveland, Sacramento, Phoenix, Philadelphia, New Jersey and today, the Wiz.

A profile on Hickson:

As for Ajinca, a 7-footer who has supposedly impressed teams during the workout process, I don't know what to think. I mean, the guy averaged 5.0 points and 3.0 rebounds in 26 games playing for Hyeres-Toulon in France last year. Then again, he's only 20 so who knows?

From what I can piece together there is a pool of about 14 or so players who could or certainly will be there at 18.

In no particular order: Darrell Arthur (may go much higher), Roy Hibbert (likely lower and hasn't worked out for the Wiz), Kousta Koufos (hasn't visited Wiz and his game is very similar to Pesh and Blatche. Do they need another one of those?) Brandon Rush (I'd take him in a second at 18 but that's just me), Marreese Speights, Nicolas Batum, Mario Chalmers, JaVale McGee, DeAndre Jordan, Donte Green, Hickson, Robin Lopez, Aijinca and Courtney Lee (l really like him as well. I guess I have a thing for players who actually produced for a few seasons at the college level).

The Wizards have hosted Speights, Chalmers, Hickson, Lopez and Lee but keep in mind that Ernie Grunfeld doesn't view the workouts as a major factor in deciding whether to take a player or not. Case in point: Dominic McGuire missed his workout last year with a sprained ankle and the Wiz took him in the 2nd round anyway because they had seriously scouted him.


By Ivan Carter  |  June 20, 2008; 3:04 PM ET
 
Save & Share:  Send E-mail   Facebook   Twitter   Digg   Yahoo Buzz   Del.icio.us   StumbleUpon   Technorati   Google Buzz   Previous: The elusive JCN
Next: Wizards and Arenas Have a Secret Deal?

Comments

Finally, after a few days of local invites, we finally workout some potential top-20 picks.

All the guys that have a couple seasons in the NCAA that are in our tier are SGs, which I think we're set with DS, Young. Plus Gil can shift there when AD or our young PG is on the floor...

Posted by: CN | June 20, 2008 4:18 PM | Report abuse

AS long as they don't select anyone that's been in that lockdown, I'm fine with it.

Posted by: Prison Balls | June 20, 2008 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Walter Sharpe makes Andray Blatche look like Grant Hill.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 20, 2008 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Thanks alot for the update Ivan!

Yeah I really wanted Rush last season until he pulled out, and before we got NY. In fact I remember a game those two went head to head in college and Rush shut him down. He is very good defensively, and caused NY probs with his size and strength on the perimeter. But I wonder about his knee injury, I guess he is fully recovered.

I've already stated who I want. Can't wait to see what happens, it is going to be a surprise and alot of fun to watch... it's almost like being a kid and waking up Christmas morning to see what you got!!

Have a good weekend!!

Posted by: Darnell | June 20, 2008 6:27 PM | Report abuse

Darrell Arthur....best bet to take over the 4 for the Wiz's future, and the future could be next season if AJ leaves.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 20, 2008 6:56 PM | Report abuse

Since Georgetown played at an incredibly slow pace, you really need to look at Roy Hibbert's stats using "pace adjusted" numbers.

Hibbert, despite recording only 6.4 rebounds a game -- was one of the best rebounders in the nation. He captured 11.5% of all available offensive rebounds, and 17% of all available defensive rebounds.

His 2.2 blocks a game become more impressive when you account for tempo, too: he blocked an incredible 9.8% of opponent shots.

His size and instincts are unquestionable. He remains high in the ranks for shooting percentage, foul-drawing, and not turning the ball over.

He does everything you want a big to do -- shoot well, rebound well, defend well, pass well, set good screens, protect the ball, draw contact, Shoot a decent FT percentage.

The best thing is, he can do all of that RIGHT NOW for the Wizards coming off the Bench. He's not better than Haywood, but he IS better than the other options (Etan Thomas and Blatche, who's natural position is PF)

DeAndre Jordan, Devon Hardin or Javele McGee MAY improve enough in three years to catch up with Hibbert. But why wait?

Some say that Hibbert won't improve, to justify refusing Hibbert on the basis of his "lack of upside" alone. It's a bit silly when you really think about it.

He's a VERY efficient scorer. He averages 1.22 points per possession (slightly lower than Kevin Love at 1.27 and Speights at 1.24)... but clearly a cut above the other Centers in the draft.

The negatives against Hibbert are all subjective:
"He's too slow" - and how many 2nd unit Centers are going to win a sprint?
"He didn't improve between his Junior and Senior Year" - I don't know how to debunk that argument, ESPECIALLY when all I have to compare Hibbert to is players like: Lopez (sophmore), Speights (Sophmore), DeAndre Jordan (Freshman), JaVale McGee (Sophmore)....
"Lacks Athleticism" - And just how many 7-ft "athletic" Centers do you think are in the NBA NOW?

How about a better question: How would Hibbert do playing against the Back-up Centers in the East? The likes of: Adonal Foyle (Orl), Zaza Pachulia (Atl), Reggie Evans (Phi), Dan Gadzuric (Mil), Anderson Varejao (Cle), Randolph Morris (NYK), David Harrison (Ind), DeSagana Diop (NJN)

I'm not necessarily endorsing Hibbert over say, Marreese Speights. But I'd honestly be thrilled with a Hibbert choice at #18. The evidence suggests he'd be a terrific pick for the Wizards.

Posted by: Rook | June 20, 2008 7:15 PM | Report abuse

You can't project Hibbert numbers for a faster pace because he can't play at a faster pace. If the game was sped up, he would tire out. He's not contributing anything without any legs

Posted by: Committee against the Drafting Roy Hibbert (aka Sweetney 2.0) | June 20, 2008 7:35 PM | Report abuse

At 18, why are people content to drafting a BACK UP center? Why not dream a little bigger? The Wiz should be looking for someone that should be potentially starting in a couple years that will push the Wiz over the top.

Posted by: C.A.T.D.R.H.(A.S.2.0) | June 20, 2008 7:42 PM | Report abuse

Anyone see Hollinger's article today on ESPN.com? A very interesting read, projecting how good the bigs in this years draft will be in the NBA. Guys like Javale McGee, DeAndre Jordan, Robin Lopez, etc. were projected to be average at best. A guy like Arthur would be a downright steal, Hollinger projects him to do very well at the next level.

I also found it interesting of how incredibly bad Anthony Randolph projects to be, even though he is considered a lottery pick.

Posted by: Roman | June 20, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

Rook, that was a fantastic post. Do you post over at realgm? If not, please come join the party. We can always use a brain like yours in our discussions.

http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewforum.php?f=35

Posted by: fish | June 20, 2008 9:07 PM | Report abuse

I know the Wizards need front court help but I doubt they can get any impact player at #18. I think we ought to draft a true point guard to take over from Antonio Daniels & Arenas.

Please enough of the skinny 6-9 good ball handling forwards. We don't need another Andray Blatche who's going to take 2 years to develop the muscle needed to be a good NBA "big" man.

Posted by: Bart | June 20, 2008 9:19 PM | Report abuse

A story more relevant to the Wiz next year is the individual development plans in the off-season for Blatche, Young, McGuire and Pech. For example, is Blatche working the weights with the intention to gain ____ pounds, is McGuire working on his 15-17 foot jumper, is Young focused on D, etc.???

Posted by: Izman | June 20, 2008 9:42 PM | Report abuse

Nothing about Blatche's game suggests he'll ever be a banger, so putting on pounds isn't an automatic key to a success. It could very easily take away from the quickness and athleticism that are the strength of his skillset. Rather than trying to force him into an ill-fitting role as an interior player, they should let him play to his strengths as a face-up combo forward.

"You can't project Hibbert numbers for a faster pace because he can't play at a faster pace. If the game was sped up, he would tire out. He's not contributing anything without any legs"

The Wizards are not the Phoenix Suns or the Golden State Warriors. They aren't going to run for 48 minutes and try to fast break off made baskets. THis idea that Hibbert would be left in the dust by all the running the Wizards do is way off base.

Posted by: kalorama | June 20, 2008 10:04 PM | Report abuse

Rook, that was a fantastic post. Do you post over at realgm? If not, please come join the party. We can always use a brain like yours in our discussions.

http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewforum.php?f=35

Posted by: fish | June 20, 2008 9:07 PM

I haven't yet - but if you have more intelligent posters, and less fluff and scruff, then you may see more of me.

Nice to see someone "gets it". At pick #18 the Wizards are not going to get an "impact player" to push them "over the top"...

Nor are there any good "pure" point guards available in the middle to Late 1st round; although I do like Chalmers....and think he can eventually fill the role of backup PG for the Wiz.

It constantly amazes me when people discount what Hibbert has done at Georgetown... saying that he can't do it in the Pro's.. that he's too slow (bunk), or that he would tire out (more bunk)...

He's proven that he can be an effective Center for 24-26 minutes a game. The Wizards have a starting Center that averages 28 minutes per game. The backup C only needs to put in 15-20 minutes... Even if Hibbert's conditioning were such that his MAXIMUM was only 26 minutes per game, he's proven he can give the Wizards what they need.

Posted by: Rook | June 20, 2008 10:23 PM | Report abuse

"He's proven that he can be an effective Center for 24-26 minutes a game. The Wizards have a starting Center that averages 28 minutes per game. The backup C only needs to put in 15-20 minutes... Even if Hibbert's conditioning were such that his MAXIMUM was only 26 minutes per game, he's proven he can give the Wizards what they need.

Posted by: Rook | June 20, 2008 10:23 PM "

Hibbert is probably a safe pick. Not a diamond in the rough, and probably not a bust either. Let's say we draft Hibbert.

Tell me what the Wiz do with Opec, DSong, DMac, AB, ET, and VV (assume AJ is resigned).

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 20, 2008 10:49 PM | Report abuse

They leave Veermenko over in Europe (which is likely what's going to happen regardless of who they draft). They send Pecherov to the D-League to work on his game or keep him nailed to the bench or trade him if they can find a taker. They play Songaila, Blatche, and McGuire at their natural forward spots. They use Thomas in spot C duty in case of injury, foul trouble or blowouts (or just keep him nailed to the bench), biding their time until they can unload his expiring contract next summer. Because none of those players has done anything for the Wizards at the center position that makes them irreplaceable or should make their disposition a factor preventing the Wizards from obtaining a player who can help them at C.

Posted by: kalorama | June 20, 2008 11:36 PM | Report abuse

Tell me what the Wiz do with Opec, DSong, DMac, AB, ET, and VV (assume AJ is resigned).

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 20, 2008 10:49 PM

Pecherov has shown no indications that he can be a low-post scorer.... He rebounds a bit, and has the size to defend larger players, but he's really more suited as a PF than Center. Besides, he showed last year that he's at least 2-3 years away from contributing. Stick him on the end of the bench.

Darius Songaila is a PF. NOT A CENTER. And I wish that Eddie Jordan would get that through his head. Songaila is best used as a bench replacement for Jamison, at a maximum of 10 minutes per game.

Andre Blatche is a PF. NOT A CENTER. It pained me to see him trying to play against Ilgauskas in the Playoffs. What a mismatch that was for Cleveland. He can also be used as a SF in certain situations... Andre should continue to develop his outside shooting, and eventually I see him taking over the starting job from Jamison.

Veeremenko is not ready for prime time. I can't really say he was a draft mistake by EG, because most 2nd round picks never pan out anyway; but one look at his Russian League numbers would tell you that he's not exactly tearing up the League over there. Let him continue to develop overseas.

I see Dominic McGuire as a hustling, energy, defensive, rebounding SF. At 6'8" and 220 lbs, he just doesn't have the bulk to play PF. But he does have the quickness and athleticism to defend Small Forwards. He should be used sparingly, coming in to relieve Butler when the Wiz need some defense. If he continues to work hard, especially on his outside shot, he could become Bruce Bowen type defender. If not, hey, he was only a 2nd rounder... Mostly they don't stick in the League anyway.

As for Etan Thomas, there's no guarantee that he will come back this year. The last time he tried to practice, he got hit in the chest and decided to shut it down for the rest of the year. Even if he does come back, he's been injury prone. He's a high Turn Over, low Assist guy; and not a very good passer. Not exactly the prototypical Princeton type Center. At 6'10" , he's undersized for a Center - but doesn't have any PF skills. The ideal situation would be to trade him to someone for a young PG or an athletic wing player... Unfortunately, Ernie has been trying to unload him for 2 years and no one wants him. If he can't be dealt, the Wiz will just have to keep him until next year (2009-2010), when they will be able to trade his expiring contract.

As I've posted before.... the most glaring needs for the Wizards are a backup Center that can defend the other Eastern Conference back up Centers. Someone with low post scoring skills. AND they need a 3rd string PG; especially considering the troubles with Arenas' knee, and Daniels' wrist.

This draft is rich with talented Centers, especially in the mid to late 1st round. There are almost NO PG's available when the Wizards are slated to pick at #18. The most NBA ready Center in the entire draft is Hibbert. It just makes sense... He'll be the best player available, and he'll fill a need.

If the Wizards brain trust decides that PG is more important, they may reach for Mario Chalmers. He's really a high 2nd Round prospect, but they may draft for need rather than "best available"...

Posted by: Rook | June 21, 2008 12:09 AM | Report abuse

Wow Kalorama - you said the same things I did, but in a much more compact post....

I gotta learn to be less verbose.

Posted by: Rook | June 21, 2008 12:12 AM | Report abuse

Rook,

"Less is more" but you will not learn that because you love to hear yourself talk. The RealGM stuff was pretty funny! Please, by god, leave us lessers so that we can fumble around in basketball ignorance while you more intelligent folks have you discussion else where.

It is fun to talk basketball and funny. I do not begrude you feeling so superior. I do not believe nba GM's are that much more knowledgable than most of the guys on this blog. Which is why you see so many bad decisions with regards to player choice and compensation.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 21, 2008 10:16 AM | Report abuse

I've got a sneaking thought that the reason Grunfeld hasn't had Hibbert in for a workout is that he has already seen plenty of him because he plays at Georgetown and he doesn't want anyone to know that is who he really wants, lest someone at 15-17 tries to get Hibbert.
It's probably wishful thinking on my part. Thanks for adjusted numbers rook, it helps illustrate what impact Hibbert had in a supposedly down year for him this season. A Hibbert-Haywood combo at center would be good enough to compete with the center combos at the top of the East.

Posted by: George Templeton | June 21, 2008 10:35 AM | Report abuse

Pesh seems to be a lock to be in the D-League next year, the only reason why he wasn't this year is b/c of all the injuries to the team. Our front court will be loaded with:
C (2) - BTH, Etan (healthy?)
PF (5?) - AJ (re-signs?), Blatche, Songalia, Pesh, Draft pick?
SF (2) - CB, D-Mac

We can always re-call Pesh if injuries occur, but he needs as much PT as possible, and he's not going to get it here, not behind AJ (if re-signed), Blatche, Songalia. In the '09-10 season, he'll be forced to be kept on the Wiz NBA roster, unless they don't pick up his option...

Posted by: CN | June 21, 2008 10:41 AM | Report abuse

We can always re-call Pesh if injuries occur, but he needs as much PT as possible, and he's not going to get it here, not behind AJ (if re-signed), Blatche, Songalia. In the '09-10 season, he'll be forced to be kept on the Wiz NBA roster, unless they don't pick up his option...

Posted by: CN | June 21, 2008 10:41 AM

I don't think it's fair to judge Pecherov off last year's performance. After all, the Wiz crack medical staff mis-diagnosed his fractured ankle as a "high ankle sprain". I do agree that, right now, he's an end-of-the-bench guy and needs some time in the D-League.

Fortunately, if the Wizards pick two more rookies in the draft, they should have the luxury of sending someone to the D-League and still have enough bodies to practice.

CN - I think your depth chart clearly shows that we DON'T need another PF... but with Etan Thomas' propensity for injury, another big man (Center) would probably be a prudent pick.

Posted by: Rook | June 21, 2008 12:24 PM | Report abuse

To ROok and others:
Hibbert has a lot going for him, but THE issue for Hibbert is whether he will get eaten alive on pick and rolls. Is he too slow afoot to pop out and then get back on his man? If so, then he will struggle to get time in the NBA -- The other team will continually bring him out of the paint to defend pick and rolls.
That's why I'm surprised Grunfeld hasn't brought him in and had him defend players with NBA speed in pick and rolls over and over. (Maybe Grunfeld has done that privately, though.)

Posted by: Anonymous | June 21, 2008 2:57 PM | Report abuse

I think the Wiz will take the best value at that 18th pick. Which means PF will be a very reasonable choice. Even if they were picking for need (C and PG) I think they would consider a PF because AB is undependable. Further, I think EG is planning to moving Pesh, VV, or AB for a position of need. Just my gut. They obviously love AB's potential, but his knuckleheadedness is a deep concern.

Since they are really no PG in the draft a trade for a backup might be in order.

By the way, we can begin to judge some of the Wiz draft picks over the last three years. It is safe to say last year was one of the best to this point, but prior to that is beginning to look really bad..

Posted by: Skeef | June 21, 2008 3:04 PM | Report abuse

My concern is that Roy Hibbert could turn out to be another Aaron Gray in this league. Big, but lumbering with no quickness to guard the pick-and-roll, as another poster said, or to handle the more athletic centers in this league. These days, you need big guys who have good lateral quickness. The game is speeding up. Hibbert raises a number of red flags in that area.

Posted by: Colin | June 21, 2008 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Anon - your point about Hibbert and his PnR defense is valid .... however, and I'll keep saying this OVER AND OVER; any pick you take at #18 is going to have holes in his game... ANY PICK! I'll still take Hibbert's size, strength, inside scoring, interior defense, passing, screens, and low Turn Overs OVER a guy with a lot of "potential" but poor fundamentals and questionable work ethic. Even with Hibbert's flaws (slow to get up and down the court, poor lateral quickness, lack of "atlheticism"); he's still, literally, head and shoulders ahead of the rest of the bigs in the draft in development.

Last year, I WISH the Wizards were pounded by the Pick-and-Roll.... rather than the dump in and kick out to a wide open 3-point shooter. Or the drive and dish... with the same result - a wide open 3.

The Wizards defense last year was all about "protecting the paint" - to the exclusion of all else. And it worked! They were fairly effective in limiting inside scoring last year - but what killed them was wide open perimeter shots.

I don't know if it was Eddie Jordan (and/or Ayers) not trusting Haywood and Jamison to hold their own against the opponent's inside players or what.. But our guards continually raked down on the dump in plays, leaving their defensive assignments to do so. AND they always went so deep, they couldn't get back to contest shots.

So, Yeah - give me some more 7-footers to clog the lane. Maybe Eddie will learn to trust the big guys to "protect the rim", and let the guards defend the perimeter players.

Posted by: Rook | June 21, 2008 7:29 PM | Report abuse

When a talent takes over the league, everyone wants to copy it. Right now CP3 has made everyone notice the value of a talented point so we look in the draft for the next big impact player at that position and everyone is guard crazy. We all wanted big europeans who could shoot when Dirk took over... What would have happened had Oden been healthy and the Blazers outplayed expectations? He would have gotten the credit.

Everyone would want a big center and Hibbert would be the guy this year as he outplayed Oden in the 64. Perception and circumstance dictates the fashion of who is valued. Forget what seems fashionable and take the best player for the team, a player who knows the offense, has good vision and passing skills for a big man and can give us some more muscle.

Posted by: yankeevicar | June 21, 2008 7:30 PM | Report abuse

My concern is that Roy Hibbert could turn out to be another Aaron Gray in this league. Big, but lumbering with no quickness to guard the pick-and-roll, as another poster said, or to handle the more athletic centers in this league.

Posted by: Colin | June 21, 2008 3:45 PM

I love this whole "athletic Centers" argument..

Where are all these huge, athletic Centers? You know... those guys that "run like a deer, and jump out of the Gym"... Especially in the Eastern Conference? Huh?

I can name at least one.... Dwight Howard.

Here are the top 20 Centers in the Eastern Conference

1 Dwight Howard
2 Andrew Bogut
3 Zydrunas Ilgauskas
4 Samuel Dalembert
5 Al Horford
6 Rasheed Wallace
7 Brendan Haywood
8 Eddy Curry
9 Jeff Foster
10 Josh Boone
11 Anderson Varejao
12 Andrea Bargnani
13 Nazr Mohammed
14 Ben Wallace
15 Kendrick Perkins
16 Rasho Nesterovic
17 Joakim Noah
18 Mark Blount
19 Alonzo Mourning
20 Zaza Pachulia

You tell me which ones you consider the "more athletic Centers".

Perhaps you could list Al Horford as athletic (although his game is really a back-to-the-basket style)... or perhaps Joakim Noah. Ben Wallace USED to be athletic, about 6 years ago!

And let's be fair to Aaron Gray - he was a 2nd round pick (# 49 overall) - he made the club and lasted an entire year (Some 2nd round picks don't). He's played ONE YEAR professionally so far, averaged 10 minutes per game (more than Pecherov) and you're writing him off as a bust already. LOL

Posted by: Rook | June 21, 2008 7:48 PM | Report abuse

My concern is that Roy Hibbert could turn out to be another Aaron Gray in this league. Big, but lumbering with no quickness to guard the pick-and-roll, as another poster said, or to handle the more athletic centers in this league. These days, you need big guys who have good lateral quickness. The game is speeding up. Hibbert raises a number of red flags in that area.

Posted by: Colin | June 21, 2008 3:45 PM

So - forget Hibbert... Colin, who would you have the Wizards pick at #18....

Posted by: Rook | June 21, 2008 8:01 PM | Report abuse

Rook got his analysis from draftexpress.com regarding Roy Hibbert and adjusting for the slower-paced offense that G'Town ran. The complete analysis can be found at
www.draftexpress.com/article/2008-Win-Scores-NBA-Draft-Preview-2932/

Posted by: Firuz | June 21, 2008 8:07 PM | Report abuse

I have a lot of faith in Ernie and believe he will make a good decision with the 18th pick, as always. It is possible that Ernie will trade the pick. Either way, I like this team. If Ernie is able to retain our Free Agents, then this team without any additions, as long as they are healthy, can compete with any team in the league.

They have a staring five as good as anyone, verteran role players coming off the bench and a growing nucleus of good young players. With a little tweaking the Wizards have a team capable of winning a NBA Championship.

The Wizards main problem is they start a small starting line-up, which causes problems with their Defense and Rebounding. Any team that can bang in the paint is going to give them problems, like Cleveland. What they need to do is move Antawn to the "3", Caron to the "2" and start Andray at the "4" or find a good staring PF outside the organization. This will give them good size on the defensive end, while presenting matchup problems on offense. In this way, at times Caron and Antawn can be used on the blocks, which will help with low post scoring.

To make this work Caron will definitely have to improve his ball handling and quickness. Also, Antawn is a defensive liability whether he is at the "4" or "3", as long as he stays committed. With the extra length Shot-blocking, Rebounding and Defense will be improved while maintaining an explosive offense. I believe Blatche is capable of starting. Like in the case of Brendan, if he is given consistent minutes then he will produce. I'm confident that he can compete against the best PF's night in and night out. Caron and Antawn can still play at their former positions, allowing the flexibility of various line-ups. Andray can be used at multiple positions also, including the "3".

With this starting line-up, the next thing is to have solid veterans coming off the bench who can compete with the starters on other teams and outplay their reserves. So the 2nd five is critical to a teams success. This is were the Wizards must make difficult decisions. Like, should they re-sign Roger Mason? If they do, is he going to play bakcup SG or PG?

Unfortunately, I don't think the Wizards should re-sign Roger. He is not good enough to replace Antonio as the backup "1" and we have Deshawn and Nick at the "2". I would love to have him on the team, but is he willing to play third team.
Roger will get a few good FA offers from other teams with the possibility of more playing time. So, I believe he will be moving on.

The second unit will consist of Antonio at the "1", Deshawn at the "2", Nick at the "3", Darius at the "4" and the "5" is open for competition. The Wizards still have Etan, but I'm not convinced he is going to be a factor this year. The Wizards do need his body type, but I would prefer a bigger body with height. Etan can be viewed as a third team Center for now. The other question mark is Nick at the "3". That would only apply if Eddie ran this team as a unit. He could get by with it because he does have good size for a wing player. In this offense, Nick can be used at the "1", "2" or "3" depending on line-up. So, who is going to play back-up "5"?

That's why with the 18th pick the Wizards need to select big Roy Hibbert. He is perfect for the Wizards. Roy brings size, height, length, great low post offensive game, 4 years experience with the Wizards style of offense and even though he is not quick, a defensive presence.

Roy is the best offensive big man in the Draft, with great hands, passing ability and high basketball IQ. I'm not worried that he is too slow or not aggressive enough. For one, if their is no fast break I'm positive he can get down court in time for the half-court set. He never had that problem at Georgetown. Secondly, he is a hard worker and I believe he will do everything he can to live up to the Georgetown tradition of big men. He will be aggressive in becoming the best that he can be and he will not back down. Roy Hibbert will provide the Wizards with a great back-up to Brendan and he can be part of the young nucleus the Wizards are building for the Future.

Now, with the starting unit intact, a solid second unit consiting of veterans and talented young players, the wizards must fill out the roster with great role players. On the current roster that will include Pecherov, Dominic and Etan. After drafting Roy, the Wizards will still have room for two more players. Ernie needs to find a third PG and another big man.

I believe the Wizards will be competing for the Eastern Conference Championship next year, as long as they can keep this team together and make the few necessary changes. Also, Eddie must be committed to limiting the "Starters" minutes during the season, allowing the back-ups to play significant minutes. The Wizards will have the talent and depth to survive a long season.

Posted by: S.E. | June 21, 2008 8:28 PM | Report abuse

salty nads

Posted by: Anonymous | June 21, 2008 9:59 PM | Report abuse

Seriously....S.E. wrote a whole lot about nothing anyone here didn't know already. Keep drinking the Kool Aid, because you'll always think it's half full.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 21, 2008 11:12 PM | Report abuse

"My concern is that Roy Hibbert could turn out to be another Aaron Gray in this league. Big, but lumbering with no quickness to guard the pick-and-roll, as another poster said, or to handle the more athletic centers in this league."

On an athleticism scale, Hibbert looks like Hakeem compared to Aaron Gray.

Posted by: kalorama | June 22, 2008 1:15 AM | Report abuse

"I've got a sneaking thought that the reason Grunfeld hasn't had Hibbert in for a workout is that he has already seen plenty of him because he plays at Georgetown and he doesn't want anyone to know that is who he really wants, lest someone at 15-17 tries to get Hibbert."

That's a possibility. Although an argument could be made that by not bringing Hibbert in for a workout Grunfeld actually wants people to jump to that conclusion, in hopes that another team will draft him ahead of the Wizards and leave the player Grunfeld really wants on the board.

Rally, though, I don't see much chance of anyone taking Hibbert before the Wizards because most of the teams ahead of them either have bigger needs than C or have a shot at a player who might be a better fit for their team. The only teams ahead of Washington I would think would even consider Hibbert are Toronto or Philly.

Posted by: kalorama | June 22, 2008 1:35 AM | Report abuse

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/2008/06/21/2008-06-21_wont_be_a_summer_sequel_because_kobe_bry.html?page=2

"Gilbert Arenas isn't leaving Washington, despite opting out of the last year of his contract, which would have paid him around $13 million next season. Arenas and the Wizards have secretly agreed on a new multi-year deal, according to a GM friend of Washington executive Ernie Grunfeld ...."

guess this squashes any notion of Gil leaving the Wizards. A bold but correct move in the right direction.

Posted by: wizzfanno#1 | June 22, 2008 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Here's a thought: trade our first round pick to Dallas for their second round pick and Jose Juan Barea PG. I don't know what else we would need to give them for "equal value" (Dominic?), but I think we would get our backup point guard, and an opportunity to take two project bigs in the second round.

Posted by: rgz | June 22, 2008 12:13 PM | Report abuse

I like Roy Hibbert and I think that he will be a solid back-up in the NBA, but why does everybody have such a tough time understanding the problem with him being so slow. This is a league that will pick-n-roll you until you prove you can stop it. The problem with him is that he is not at least light enough on his feet to react to find his man after the pick. He would have to quickly react to whether the center is rolling to the basket or floating out for a jumper. In college, they almost always go to the basket.

Posted by: SportzWiz | June 22, 2008 12:19 PM | Report abuse

In the draft, I think the Wizards should get someone who doesn't need the limelight and does the little things like play defense, rebound, and keep the ball moving rather than always dribbling first. That's why I think they should get Rush or Robin Lopez. Everyone likes to talk about the need for low-post scoring at the 4, but I like the offense better when its inverted w/Caron in the post or with space in the lane for penetration.

Posted by: SportzWiz | June 22, 2008 12:45 PM | Report abuse

As I've stated before, I don't think the Wizards problems on defense have anything to do with pick-n-roll.

Yes, the League will PnR you to death if you show you can't defend it... but the League will do ANYTHING and EVERYTHING to death, until you stop it.

The Wizards problem last year on defense was not "in the Paint", giving up too many layups, or even mid-range shooting... Although all three could be improved upon...

NO - the Wizards biggest problem last year was 3-point defense. 82games.com has some pretty cool stats that show shooting %, points, Assist %, etc.. for 3-point shots, 2-point shots, and "inside" shots.

The Wizards stack up fairly well against the League average on "inside" shots; giving up on average 32ppg inside - the League average is 33ppg.

They're not too shabby on 2-point shots either. Giving up only 25 ppg, when the League Average is 28 ppg...

Where the Wizards did VERY POORLY was in 3-point defense... giving up an average of 25 ppg with a 39% shooting percentage (vs the League average of 19.7 with 36%)

Wizards opponents knew their weaknesses - and shot a significantly higher number of 3-point shots against the Wizards. Teams shot an average of 27 three-pointers against the Wiz last year (vs. the League average of only 21.7 attempts)

88% of the made 3-point shots against the Wizards were Assisted... showing that they were shots taken within the offense (not pull up 3's in transition, or desperation 3's at the end of the 24 second clock)

I decided I needed to see if the deficiencies in defending the 3-point shot were the Defensive Schemes, or the Players, or some other reason.

I have about 20 Wizards games still recorded on my DVR - so I went back and watched some games.

In an early Toronto game in November or December, Jose Calderon continually penetrated the lane. But instead of dumping assists off to his big men inside, he was kicking out to wide open shooters (Kapono, Delfino and Parker). Toronto ended up 11-27 (41%) from 3-point land... The Wiz won that game because both Antawn and Butler had big games, and Mason came off the bench with a strong 15 points.

The first game in January was at home against Detroit. The Pistons shot 50% from beyond the arc...and ended up winning the game by 13. Penetration was not the culprit this time - just good Piston's ball movement. They just kept moving without the ball; and eventually someone would be open... Hamilton did his normal "Reggie" impression (constantly moving, cutting, going around screens) but did most of his damage from mid-range. But because of all the ball movement, and player movement - the Wizards would get out of position... and they frequently left either Rasheed Wallace or Billups wide open for a 3-point look.

In March against Orlando - the Magic kept feeding Dwight Howard in the post. When a Wizards defender would come to double, he would kick it out, usually followed by another pass or two, for a wide open 3-point shot. It happened all game long. The Wizards Coaching staff NEVER made an adjustment. After Haywood got in foul trouble, they really started feeding Howard - the Wizards kept doubling down, and it just got worse. The Wizards lost by 30. The Magic went 12-27 (44.4%) from beyond the 3-point line.. They missed their last 3 (after the game was already in hand), otherwise they would have shot 50%...

It's the Scheme...!!!

Posted by: Rook | June 22, 2008 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Teams shot an average of 27 three-pointers against the Wiz last year (vs. the League average of only 21.7 attempts)


That should read: 27% of their shots were 3-pointers. (vs. the League average of only 21.7% of shots)

Posted by: Anonymous | June 22, 2008 3:55 PM | Report abuse

It's not just the scheme, Rook, which overemphasizes protecting the paint. It's also:

- The Wizards' perimeter defenders are unable to keep their men in front of them, forcing to team to leave their men to help.

- Eddie Jordan's calling card in the NBA was getting steals, and he overemphasizes it with his players. Since Jordan has been here, the Wizards have had two players in the top 10 in steals per game every year (not sure if Gilbert had enough games to get in top 10 this past season). Larry Hughes led the league in steals his last year, and he hasn't come close to those numbers since.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 22, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Hibbert is not that slow. He's not as slow as Gray, or Ilgauskas. He is HUGE, and considering his size he moves remarkably well. No he's not quick, or fast, but the trade off is his size. His size will cause problems for the opponent. He moves around the box faster than he looks with long strides and his long reach. He is a very good help defender, and he has the body and size to immediately compete in the post. His ability to score and pass out of double teams is very will suited to our offense.

And everyone who says he has no upside and will never be more than a backup are crazy. I think he definately has the potential to become a starter in the league and improve as he gets stronger and learns how to use his size. Take a look at some of the starting centers around the league, including Haywood, and I don't get how people are comin to that conclusion. I mean the guy is 7-2 275 and skilled! I mean our own Georghe Mueresan was very effective strictly because of his size, and was much slower and more lumbering that Hibbert and no where near as skilled. And he was a starter.

To respond to the post earlier about how does drafting Hibbert effect our roster...

Etan moves to 3rd center, he is ideal to come in for 10 min a game to bang and provide energy, grab some boards and give some hard fouls. He has always been injury prone, is not a good passer or shooter and TOs alot. But with reduced pt he will be valuable off the bench for some high energy minutes.

Pecherov and Veremeenko both should probably spend a season together in Dleague. I think that would be a good experience for them, to learn the physical nature of post play.

Blatche moves to his natural PF position and main backup to Jamison. Allow him to focus on one position and learning how to play it well. Also allows Jamison to play more sf when caron is resting.

Songaila is 3rd pf, when blatche isn't playing well, or want more vet game at the 4. Also allows Jamsion more pt at sf.

Jamison still starting pf, but have flexibility to use him more at sf where his size can be utilized, and he can backup Caron at sf along with McGuire.

Stevenson and Young rotate at sg.

I would love to get Sean Singletary 2nd round as 3rd pg behind Gil and Antonio.

Posted by: Darnell | June 22, 2008 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Let's follow the model to the prototipical NBA Championship team because all this foolishness some of you are talking about doesnt work. I love Antwan Jamison but I also love him enough to realize that his role is not as a starter, sorry but its the truth. He is one of those players that doesnt have an exact position but if you bring him off the bench he is a great addition.

The "NBA Championship Team" has a post scorer, slasher, shooter, servicable PG and defensive minded C. Caron is the slasher, DeShawn is developing into a good shooter, Gilbert can become a good passer is his teammates would stop deferring to him and Haywood has the goods to be a defensive 5. What havent we addressed, post scoring. It isnt coming from Jamison, again I am sorry, so that why he take Jason Thompson from Rider at 18.

You dont draft a backup C in the first round, I dont know what kind of GM thinks like that. Haywood showed he can produce when he plays more so why would you put someone behind him out of the first round???

Thompson is the only 4 I have seen with a versitale game enough to play 4 in this NBA. Arthur was not a post scorer in the NCAA why would he be in the NBA. To me, chances are if you didnt show a variety of moves in college, NBA coaches have nothing to develop here. Thompson is the only I have seen on film post up, hit open jumpers with range and do the things an NBA 4 should. He is the only one that has the moves an NBA Coaching Staff can develop.

In the second round, its going to be Chris Lofton since we wont be able to resign Mason. Think about it...

Posted by: Vince | June 22, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

I also wouldn't mind deal #18 to Memphis for #28 and Kyle Lowry.

At 28 I'd probably go for DeVon Hardin

Posted by: Darnell | June 22, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

WTF? Who is Sharpe? I have not even seen him in mock drafts! He is not a first round talent for sure. We could pick him in the second maybe.


In the first round, we must get MARREESE SPEIGHTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Or DeAndre Jordan if he is available.

Posted by: arenasmvp4ever | June 22, 2008 4:48 PM | Report abuse

I would not be mad with Speights.

My only reservation is he sees himself as a Rasheed Wallace type. We already have enough PFs who like to shoot 3s. But based on talent I think he's probably a steal at 18. But lots of guys with talent never pan out.

Those are my top 3 scenarios...
1. Hibbert
2. Trade down for Lowry and #28 (Hardin)
3. Speights

In second round my favorite is Singletary. If we get Lowry and Hardin, then I'd go for a SF (Calathes is my top choice). If we go pg in 1st round, I'd go for a big in 2nd (Nathan Jawai).

Posted by: Darnell | June 22, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse

I am for drafting Hibbert just to keep him out of Cleveland's clutches. Cleveland Philly, and Toronto will be taking 7-foot bigs in the draft (according to reports), that's at-least 3 new 7 footers in the East. Does anyone remember what happens when BTH gets into foul trouble or is resting? The other Centers will abuse our back-ups, Blatche and Pesh are not C's, Etan, while strong, is under-sized. We cannot go into next season with Haywood as our only legit C.

Posted by: Roy my boy | June 22, 2008 5:43 PM | Report abuse

From the fox.com NBA news.
But the biggest lesson to be learned from the series is actually the reprise of an old one: Defense wins championships.

It's a lesson that too many players, coaches and general managers still haven't grasped. That's because offense is more glamorous, more easily appreciated by both advertisers and casual fans, more financially rewarding to all participants, more ego satisfying and much easier to play and coach.
Wiz don't need scorers as much as it needs stoppers. We have scorers. We need them to play "D". Did anyone notice who the Celtics "D" coach is?

Posted by: VB Wiz Fan | June 22, 2008 5:51 PM | Report abuse

Thompson is the only 4 I have seen with a versitale game enough to play 4 in this NBA.

Posted by: Vince | June 22, 2008 4:43 PM

And probably the only PF in the 1st Round of this Draft that is a poorer Defender than Jamison!!!

Posted by: Rook | June 22, 2008 5:57 PM | Report abuse

Not to mention the fact that he played at Ryder, in a lower level conference .... (Like playing against JV teams).

Posted by: Anonymous | June 22, 2008 6:00 PM | Report abuse

I would not be mad with Speights.

My only reservation is he sees himself as a Rasheed Wallace type. We already have enough PFs who like to shoot 3s. But based on talent I think he's probably a steal at 18. But lots of guys with talent never pan out.

Those are my top 3 scenarios...
1. Hibbert
2. Trade down for Lowry and #28 (Hardin)
3. Speights

In second round my favorite is Singletary. If we get Lowry and Hardin, then I'd go for a SF (Calathes is my top choice). If we go pg in 1st round, I'd go for a big in 2nd (Nathan Jawai).

Posted by: Darnell | June 22, 2008 5:00 PM



I like your ideas..

I wouldn't be upset with Speights (6'10" 245) either, except Eddie would try using him at Center...

Singletary is another of those short, quick guards. Not much of a defender.

I'd rather see them take a larger PG that is a good defender in the 2nd round.

Posted by: Rook | June 22, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

What is it that you guys don't see in Beasley? I think he would be a better choice for our pick

Posted by: jose | June 22, 2008 6:10 PM | Report abuse

"I also wouldn't mind deal #18 to Memphis for #28 and Kyle Lowry."

And, as always, you can't trade picks for players without giving including players with matching salaries. And the only rookie contract the Wiz have that Memphis might even be slightly interested in is Young and (A) they probably wouldn't be that interested and (B) if Mason leaves (which he most likely will) the Wiz are going to need Young as a second string SG more than they'll need Lowry as a third string PG.

Posted by: kalorama | June 22, 2008 6:25 PM | Report abuse

"You dont draft a backup C in the first round, I dont know what kind of GM thinks like that. Haywood showed he can produce when he plays more so why would you put someone behind him out of the first round???"

Yeah, because quality depth at a key position is a terrible thing to have.

Drafting a backup C at #18 is hardly outrageous. Odds are most of the Cs that get drafter ahead of Hibbert will start out their careers as backups as well. Joakim Noah and Spencer Hawes spent their rookie seasons as backups last year and they were taken in the top 10. (Yes, Noah started 30 games, but that was only after Ben Wallace got traded; he was brought in with the intention of being Wallace's backup.)

And where is it written that Hibbert is consigned to being a career backup? There are starting Cs in the NBA right now who are not as skilled offensively as Hibbert. And at 21, he has plenty of room to get better.

The point is, based on his skill level, he's the most ready C available to the Wiz to come in and contribute right away as a backup. There's nothing to say that'll always be his role. But if the Wiz draft him that'll be his role as next season starts, and he's well suited to perform it.

Posted by: kalorama | June 22, 2008 6:40 PM | Report abuse

"What is it that you guys don't see in Beasley? I think he would be a better choice for our pick

Posted by: jose | June 22, 2008 6:10 PM "

Why do you keep bringing up Beasley? I don't think he'll even get drafted.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 22, 2008 7:32 PM | Report abuse

If for some reason Beasley or Mayo is not available when we pick, we could always trade our pick for an established veteran player.

Posted by: jose | June 22, 2008 8:36 PM | Report abuse

"The problem with (Hibbert) is that he is not at least light enough on his feet to react to find his man after the pick. He would have to quickly react to whether the center is rolling to the basket or floating out for a jumper."

The same could be said of Haywood. In fact, the same has been said about Haywood. Ironically enough, it's most often said by Haywood's supporters who somehow manage blame Eddie Jordan for using him improperly" to defend the pick-and-roll. Yet there's never a suggestion made that Haywood is too slow to play in the NBA.

Hmmm ...

Posted by: kalorama | June 22, 2008 8:51 PM | Report abuse

"If for some reason Beasley or Mayo is not available when we pick, we could always trade our pick for an established veteran player.

Posted by: jose | June 22, 2008 8:36 PM "

Wes Unseld Sr. comes to mind.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 22, 2008 9:34 PM | Report abuse

Hibbert played the game of his life 2 seasons ago against Oden. Last season, I didn't see him step up. Either JT3 didn't call his number enough, or Hibbert was just bored.

Given all that, I think BTH is much more of a natural shotblocker and has worked on his game. BTH could have easily sat on the bench and collected a paycheck.

Hibbert to me seems like a guy who's only playing basketball because he's 7-2 and it will put food on his table.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 22, 2008 9:37 PM | Report abuse

"The problem with (Hibbert) is that he is not at least light enough on his feet to react to find his man after the pick. He would have to quickly react to whether the center is rolling to the basket or floating out for a jumper."

The same could be said of Haywood. In fact, the same has been said about Haywood. Ironically enough, it's most often said by Haywood's supporters who somehow manage blame Eddie Jordan for using him improperly" to defend the pick-and-roll. Yet there's never a suggestion made that Haywood is too slow to play in the NBA.

Hmmm ...

Posted by: kalorama | June 22, 2008 8:51 PM

That's part of the point that I am trying to make about Hibbert. If one of his main weaknesses is the same one as Haywood, there won't be any change in defensive effectiveness or style when the subs come in. I'd rather the 2nd team raise the defensive intensity when they come in. (Draft R. Lopez or B. Rush) If the starters don't play tough D, can we at least see it out of the backups.

Posted by: SportzWiz | June 22, 2008 9:47 PM | Report abuse

Hibbert is probably a decent enough player that he can be a starter for quite a few teams in this league. The main problem if the Wiz draft him is that I don't think he's better than BTH and BTH is only 28 years old.

A center like BTH can probably play another 10 years, because he keeps himself in great shape (e.g. PJ Brown). Also, BTH has been incredibly healthy and dependable during his Wiz career, averaging 75 games/season not including the ones where EJ benched him.

Knock on wood.

In contrast, the Wiz need a 4 who can score in the post and defend. None of the guys on the roster right now look like starter material at the 4, nevermind the fact that AJ might walk this summer.

If there's someone at the 4 who can do what we need, I'd take him at 18, and definitely try to trade up to get a 1 guard after 18. Maybe give up our 2nd round this year and next year or the JCN pick.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 22, 2008 10:09 PM | Report abuse

Thompson had three 20, 20 games. Thompson has shown what he can do and he is yet to fill out his frame. He went to Rider as a stick and he can still add muscle to that frame. NOBODY is a worst defender than Jamison. The kid is a great value at 18, period.

Posted by: Vince | June 22, 2008 10:59 PM | Report abuse

"That's part of the point that I am trying to make about Hibbert. If one of his main weaknesses is the same one as Haywood, there won't be any change in defensive effectiveness or style when the subs come in."

But the flip side of that is that his primary strength is something that Haywood can't provide and that this team seriously needs, low post offense, which means his presence would result in a significant change in offensive effectiveness in the half court, which this team also needs.

They're not going to get a player at 18 who fills every hole the team has. Hibbert, potentially, does fill one of the big ones.

Posted by: kalorama | June 22, 2008 11:13 PM | Report abuse

Thompson had three 20, 20 games. Thompson has shown what he can do and he is yet to fill out his frame. He went to Rider as a stick and he can still add muscle to that frame. NOBODY is a worst defender than Jamison. The kid is a great value at 18, period.

Posted by: Vince | June 22, 2008 10:59 PM

Vince, hey, nothing personal dude. Just trying to point out that EVERY player that the Wizards have a shot at #18 has holes in their game - or some argument can be made against drafting them.

The Hibbert detractors say he's too slow. He didn't progress from Junion to Senior year. (big deal!) Not very athletic. Questionable Lateral quickness.

The Speights detractors say he's a 'tweener' (not big enough for Center, no PF skills). Poor shot selection. Poor defensive fundamentals. Poor Work Ethic. Poor Basketball IQ.

The Robin Lopez detractors say he's got NO Offensive game (and likely never will). Poor footwork. Poor fundamentals. Strugles defending perimeter. Poor free throw shooter. (poor shooter, period.) Questionable work ethic/focus.

The JaVale McGee detractors say he's a terrible defender. Poor fundamentals. Poor Basketball IQ. Poor Decision making. Poor Free Throw shooter. Doesn't hustle. Questionable work ethic.


The point I'm trying to make is that EVERY player at #18 will have something major wrong with their game. Draft the one that has the fewest holes... Draft the one that is the most fundamentally sound. Play it safe with the 1st round pick.

Draft Hibbert!

Posted by: Rook | June 22, 2008 11:14 PM | Report abuse

Thompson had three 20, 20 games.
Posted by: Vince | June 22, 2008 10:59 PM

My grandmother could have had 20/20 games against the competition Ryder played against.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 22, 2008 11:15 PM | Report abuse

In contrast, the Wiz need a 4 who can score in the post and defend. None of the guys on the roster right now look like starter material at the 4, nevermind the fact that AJ might walk this summer.

If there's someone at the 4 who can do what we need, I'd take him at 18, and definitely try to trade up to get a 1 guard after 18. Maybe give up our 2nd round this year and next year or the JCN pick.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 22, 2008 10:09 PM



Although your argument has merit, and the Wizards would benefit from a low post "starter material" Power Forward that can score, defend the paint, defend the pick-n-roll, rebound, shot block, etc... They're not going to find him at #18 in the Draft....

Besides, unless Ernie can move some of our other PF's (Jamison, Pecherov, Songaila, Blatche) - the Wizards are already STACKED at PF.

And - I haven't seen ANYTHING from the Wizards, from Jamison, from any print source anywhere, or from any internet rumor site that Antawn Jamison will not be back with the Wizards next year. All indications are that he's staying.

Posted by: Rook | June 22, 2008 11:23 PM | Report abuse

Really, the only way Jamison goes anywhere is if the Wiz lowball him and some other team offers him significantly more, and there's not much chance of that happening. Given his age, his price tag, and his deficits as a player (weak defense, really a post/power player at PF) the only teams that would be most willing to shell out big money for him other than the Wiz are contenders who might think he's the missing piece. But looking at the likely contenders, he's either (A) not really a good fit for their system or (B) they've already got big money players under contract at his position.

Posted by: kalorama | June 22, 2008 11:30 PM | Report abuse

Pecherov is terrible. He has not done one thing to indicate he will even be serviceable in the NBA. I know he is young, but there is nothing there.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 22, 2008 11:34 PM | Report abuse

Someone noted moving AJ to the sixth man role he had in Dallas. I really think this is the way to go. The Wiz do not play defense well enough with the combination of players that are currently used. Why not move AB to the PF position? If you get a center in the draft, he becomes your backup. Bringing AJ in for CB or AB would add punch to the second unit while adding some defense. I hope we get a commited AB next year, but who knows.

Posted by: Skeef | June 23, 2008 12:17 AM | Report abuse

Am I the only that thinks that JCN pick is...well nothing (a second rounder in 2013). Memphis will be doormats for years to come, which means the pick is crap.

Posted by: Amy | June 23, 2008 12:24 AM | Report abuse

Kalo, Memphis is under the cap which means they can make whatever trade they want as long as it keeps them under the cap, and swapping picks and giving up Lowry won't do that

Posted by: Anonymous | June 23, 2008 12:58 AM | Report abuse

Lopez twins = Collins twins... If you see mediocre offense in college, what can you expect in the NBA?

Ryder rents trucks. Rider is a college in New Jersey that plays some good opponents and young Thompson actually played decent ball against those quality teams. No one, however, should confuse Rider with a Big East team like Georgetown.

If we re-sign Jamison for four years at around $40 million total, it won't be for him to come off the bench, at least not at first.

The only starting position where we can and shouold upgrade to a stronger two-way player is the 2 guard... Gee maybe this OJ Mayo guy will be available, right Jose ;-)

Posted by: khrabb | June 23, 2008 5:18 AM | Report abuse

we should go after diop, turiaf, and udrih in free agency. Nothing big but adds depth and toughness inside. Also cheap guys so we can try to stay under the luxury tax.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 23, 2008 7:55 AM | Report abuse

Skeef completely agree I have been saying this for over a year now. Jamison would be a more effective player off the bench. He could be our version of posey or ginobli. He would still get plenty of minutes and would still finish the game off in the 4th. Also Blatche clearly plays better when he is in the starting lineup.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 23, 2008 7:58 AM | Report abuse

Am I the only that thinks that JCN pick is...well nothing (a second rounder in 2013). Memphis will be doormats for years to come, which means the pick is crap.

Posted by: Amy | June 23, 2008 12:24 AM

On the other hand, it's better than NOTHING. Which is what Ernie had prior to making the trade.

Posted by: Rook | June 23, 2008 8:09 AM | Report abuse

Taking a forum vacation until draft day....

Posted by: Anonymous | June 23, 2008 8:26 AM | Report abuse

"On the other hand, it's better than NOTHING. Which is what Ernie had prior to making the trade.

Posted by: Rook | June 23, 2008 8:09 AM "

Not really. Wiz had the rights to JCN.

JCN had a pretty good rookie year.

Problem I saw was that the press kept reporting this and that about JCN. What wasn't reported was what kind of effort the Wiz made to recruit JCN to get him to want to complete his obligation and play here, besides the general reports about how much it would cost to get out of his contract.

I didn't see a big push by EG to make JCN feel like he was wanted and needed here. We sure could have used a shooter like him last year, especially since the Wiz were undermanned most of the season.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 23, 2008 8:39 AM | Report abuse

"Someone noted moving AJ to the sixth man role he had in Dallas. I really think this is the way to go. The Wiz do not play defense well enough with the combination of players that are currently used. Why not move AB to the PF position? If you get a center in the draft, he becomes your backup. Bringing AJ in for CB or AB would add punch to the second unit while adding some defense. I hope we get a commited AB next year, but who knows.

Posted by: Skeef | June 23, 2008 12:17 AM "

Thanks. That someone was me.

With EJ, you get PT by earning it in practice and in keeping in shape.

With AB, and this new generation, you just got to throw them in the fire and let them sink or swim. His talent is wasted/unrealized if you're just going to wait for him to become more responsible and earn minutes.

Get the dude out there and win some games!

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 23, 2008 8:42 AM | Report abuse

"Kalo, Memphis is under the cap which means they can make whatever trade they want as long as it keeps them under the cap, and swapping picks and giving up Lowry won't do that"

But the Wizards aren't under the cap, which means they can't take on Kyle Lowry's salary without trading an equivalent salary to Memphis. Which mean they can't trade the 18th pick for Lowry and the 28th pick.

Posted by: kalorama | June 23, 2008 8:59 AM | Report abuse

The Wiz made plenty of effort to recruit JCN. Ernie Grunfeld flew over last year in the spring to talk to JCN about coming over. JCN made no indication of wanting to come over and kept referencing his huge buy out. Then after, and only after, the Wiz drafted a SG (Young) and were deep in negotiations with another SG (DS) did JCN decide to announce his buy out was lowered to $3-4 million. He also announced he wanted to a contract for $3-4 million to make up for the buy out. He knew the Wiz didn't have the room or the money to meet his demands. He then had his Spanish team announce a deadline to force the Wizards hand, only to accept a minimum contract with the Griz. I am glad the Griz traded away his bff Gasol which led to him re-signing in Spain. Karma's a b.....

Posted by: Anonymous | June 23, 2008 9:02 AM | Report abuse

AJ as a player has his weaknesses, but his strengths kind of trump all that, especially if a team has enough backup to support him.

21-10 all star
Consistently healthy
Only 31
Veteran experience
Team player
great scorer
Takes care of himself

Who knows, maybe AJ will take less to work under Larry Brown and MJ. That UNC connection is tighter than anything else in the NBA.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 23, 2008 9:14 AM | Report abuse

Lowry is barely making over a mill and the wiz aren't capped out yet since Arenas and Jamison aren't completely on the hook since they are free agents.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 23, 2008 9:15 AM | Report abuse

Timing is everything.

JCN could have made a big splash here since Gilby was out hurt.

It's funny now though....everybody in the past used to want to play in the NBA. Now, there are alternatives. Great.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 23, 2008 9:16 AM | Report abuse

RE: JCN

Remember, JCN & his agent were making a strong push to have him traded to Miami (strong latin community down there, not that there isn't one here, just more his "type" of latin flavor in Miami, i guess) and Memphis (to team up w/ Gasol). Who knows if he was really interested playing in DC...

Posted by: CN | June 23, 2008 9:23 AM | Report abuse

Ivan,

Can we have an update on what Songaila is doing this summer (Olympics)? How do you think next year will play out for him? He seemed to get his legs toward the end of the year. If Ernie has faith in him, and with Etan returning, it seems like a PG (if not a trade) would the the move in the draft.

Also, any rumors on where Roger Mason might end up?

Posted by: Truthsayer | June 23, 2008 9:50 AM | Report abuse

And let's be fair to Aaron Gray - he was a 2nd round pick (# 49 overall) - he made the club and lasted an entire year (Some 2nd round picks don't). He's played ONE YEAR professionally so far, averaged 10 minutes per game (more than Pecherov) and you're writing him off as a bust already. LOL

Posted by: Rook | June 21, 2008 7:48 PM


Maybe this argument has been made already, but here's a reminder for why Gray was picked so late. He too was initially projected to go higher but concerns of quickness/athleticism led him to fall in the draft.

And where did these concerns come from?

At least partially from Hibbert dominating Gray, in particular during the Big East final. Hibbert IS a better athlete and all-around player than Gray. That much should be clear for anyone who follows Big East basketball.

Posted by: Johnnie Futbol | June 23, 2008 10:18 AM | Report abuse

Hibbert to me seems like a guy who's only playing basketball because he's 7-2 and it will put food on his table.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 22, 2008 9:37 PM

That's just plain stupid. Everyone knows Hibbert worked his butt off at Georgetown. You're being a revisionist just to defend your tired point.

Posted by: Johnnie Futbol | June 23, 2008 10:25 AM | Report abuse

Chalmers, Chalmers, Chalmers.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 23, 2008 10:42 AM | Report abuse

"Lowry is barely making over a mill and the wiz aren't capped out yet since Arenas and Jamison aren't completely on the hook since they are free agents."

Wrong.

Until the Wizards re-sign or renounce Arenas and Jamison, their salaries still count against the Wizards' cap, at 150% of their last year's salary amount. It's called a cap hold and it was implemented specifically to prevent teams from doing an end run around the salary cap by making the kind of deal you're suggesting.

Posted by: kalorama | June 23, 2008 11:02 AM | Report abuse

How decent is Jonathan Wallace's defense at GTown? His penchant for coming up big and shooting within the Princeton offense as a guard is well known and can definitely fit in on the Wiz. What I don't know is his defense. Can anybody who watched GTown play a whole lot comment on Wallace? Thanks.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 23, 2008 11:10 AM | Report abuse

"Also, any rumors on where Roger Mason might end up?"

Nothing's been written (that I've seen) but I think the Spurs are a good bet. They tried to sign him last summer, his stock has risen, they're going to have money to spend, and they're going to be doing some major retooling of their support players around the big 3, with the goal of getting younger.

Posted by: kalorama | June 23, 2008 11:24 AM | Report abuse

"That's just plain stupid. Everyone knows Hibbert worked his butt off at Georgetown. You're being a revisionist just to defend your tired point.

Posted by: Johnnie Futbol | June 23, 2008 10:25 AM "

Yea, you're right. That trophy was really shiny when he held it up.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 23, 2008 11:24 AM | Report abuse

"Hibbert IS a better athlete and all-around player than Gray. That much should be clear for anyone who follows Big East basketball.

Posted by: Johnnie Futbol | June 23, 2008 10:18 AM "

Sorry, but that absolutely means squadoosh.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 23, 2008 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Wallace was a very solid defender and big shot maker. His issues at the NBA level, at least initially, would likely be quickness and playmaking.

Posted by: kalorama | June 23, 2008 11:29 AM | Report abuse

All of the Hoyas guards played solid defense. The Hoyas tended to rely a little more on Sapp and Rivers to shut down the opposing team's top guards, but the entire team (i.e. wallace included) played intense, physical, suffocating defense. It was always a team effort, and that's why they were top-5 in fg defense the past two years (#1 I believe last year). With any of the Hoyas players, you at least know you're getting someone who values and emphasizes solid team defense.

Posted by: Johnnie Futbol | June 23, 2008 11:33 AM | Report abuse

"With any of the Hoyas players, you at least know you're getting someone who values and emphasizes solid team defense.

Posted by: Johnnie Futbol | June 23, 2008 11:33 AM "

With Mike Sweetney, what he emphasizes is food and sweets. All 6-8, 300 lbs of him.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 23, 2008 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Wallace was a very solid defender and big shot maker. His issues at the NBA level, at least initially, would likely be quickness and playmaking.

Posted by: kalorama | June 23, 2008 11:29 AM

Asking since we're looking for a 3rd PG. Playmaking isn't huge on this Princeton team and him playing well at GTown shows, I guess. Lack of quickness might be problematic then cause we are looking for a pesky quick guy that neither Arenas nor Daniels can handle. Too bad another young Lindsey Hunter can't be had for cheap...

Posted by: Anonymous | June 23, 2008 12:04 PM | Report abuse

"Hibbert to me seems like a guy who's only playing basketball because he's 7-2 and it will put food on his table."

If there were any truth to that then, logically, he would have come out after his Junior season when he would have been a sure lottery pick and would have gotten a huge guaranteed payday. He went back to school knowing there was a chance it could cost him money.

Doesn't sound like a guy who's just in it for the money to me.

Posted by: kalorama | June 23, 2008 12:05 PM | Report abuse

"Asking since we're looking for a 3rd PG. Playmaking isn't huge on this Princeton team and him playing well at GTown shows, I guess. Lack of quickness might be problematic then cause we are looking for a pesky quick guy that neither Arenas nor Daniels can handle. Too bad another young Lindsey Hunter can't be had for cheap..."

Contrary to popular (at least around here) the Wizards do not run a straight up Princeton offense. They utilize some of its principles, but anyone who's actually seen Princeton play knows that both the Wizards and Goergetown run a very modified/bastardized version.

That said, I wouldn't mind taking Wallace with a second round pick (or signing him as an undrafted FA) to be the third PG.

Posted by: kalorama | June 23, 2008 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Contrary to popular (at least around here) the Wizards do not run a straight up Princeton offense. They utilize some of its principles, but anyone who's actually seen Princeton play knows that both the Wizards and Goergetown run a very modified/bastardized version.

That said, I wouldn't mind taking Wallace with a second round pick (or signing him as an undrafted FA) to be the third PG.

Posted by: kalorama | June 23, 2008 12:10 PM

As long as the coach changes his offense to fit the personnel best, I don't have any problem with what he calls his offense. The point with the Wiz is that all the PG, for the most part, is dribble the ball upcourt (sometimes against tough on ball pressure, mostly not though). The offense then is initiated and the ball moved around for the best shot.

He doesn't have to be much of a playmaker. If Wallace can play very good defense with his lack of great quickness at his size, then his shotmaking and knowing the principles of the Princeton, he'd fit perfectly as you said - a 2nd round pick or better yet (and most likely) as an undrafted FA. Thanks for the input, Kal.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 23, 2008 12:22 PM | Report abuse

"With any of the Hoyas players, you at least know you're getting someone who values and emphasizes solid team defense.

Posted by: Johnnie Futbol | June 23, 2008 11:33 AM "

With Mike Sweetney, what he emphasizes is food and sweets. All 6-8, 300 lbs of him.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 23, 2008 11:38 AM

"Any of the Hoyas players" as in Hibbert, Wallace and Ewing Jr., those who hope to enter the NBA this year.

How on earth did you become such a confused individual?

Posted by: Johnnie Futbol | June 23, 2008 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Looking at Brook Lopez's video compilation from Jay Bilas on ESPN, he resembles a slightly less athletic Tim Duncan and definitely not a stiff. Obviously Lopez's foot speed numbers are a concern, but his overall basketball playing speed and quickness within the paint is looking pretty good. He should be a solid top 10 draft pick and low post player in the pros.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 23, 2008 12:30 PM | Report abuse

"How on earth did you become such a confused individual?

Posted by: Johnnie Futbol | June 23, 2008 12:28 PM "

You need to give Bit Sweetney some love.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 23, 2008 12:49 PM | Report abuse

"The point with the Wiz is that all the PG, for the most part, is dribble the ball upcourt (sometimes against tough on ball pressure, mostly not though). The offense then is initiated and the ball moved around for the best shot.

He doesn't have to be much of a playmaker. If Wallace can play very good defense with his lack of great quickness at his size, then his shotmaking and knowing the principles of the Princeton, he'd fit perfectly as you said - a 2nd round pick or better yet (and most likely) as an undrafted FA. Thanks for the input, Kal.

Posted by: | June 23, 2008 12:22 PM "

Problem with Gilby in the game is that he takes the ball up the court, and then takes a long range unscripted jump shot while everyone else is left to wonder "WTF just happened?"

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 23, 2008 12:52 PM | Report abuse

"If there were any truth to that then, logically, he would have come out after his Junior season when he would have been a sure lottery pick and would have gotten a huge guaranteed payday. He went back to school knowing there was a chance it could cost him money.

Doesn't sound like a guy who's just in it for the money to me.

Posted by: kalorama | June 23, 2008 12:05 PM "

No...sounds like a guy who's getting a lot of bad advice.

Also, we didn't see much improvement to his game at all, so he basically wasted a year where he could have gotten paid.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 23, 2008 12:54 PM | Report abuse

"The point with the Wiz is that all the PG, for the most part, is dribble the ball upcourt (sometimes against tough on ball pressure, mostly not though). The offense then is initiated and the ball moved around for the best shot.

He doesn't have to be much of a playmaker. If Wallace can play very good defense with his lack of great quickness at his size, then his shotmaking and knowing the principles of the Princeton, he'd fit perfectly as you said - a 2nd round pick or better yet (and most likely) as an undrafted FA. Thanks for the input, Kal.

Posted by: | June 23, 2008 12:22 PM "

Problem with Gilby in the game is that he takes the ball up the court, and then takes a long range unscripted jump shot while everyone else is left to wonder "WTF just happened?"

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 23, 2008 12:52 PM

Excuse me, when did Gilbert enter the discussion about 3rd PG? Get a grip on your hatred DC...

Posted by: Anonymous | June 23, 2008 1:03 PM | Report abuse

"Excuse me, when did Gilbert enter the discussion about 3rd PG? Get a grip on your hatred DC...

Posted by: | June 23, 2008 1:03 PM "

You described what a PG is supposed to do, and I contrasted it with what Gilby actually does.

Capisce?

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 23, 2008 1:10 PM | Report abuse

So first you criticize him for supposedly chasing the money.

"Hibbert to me seems like a guy who's only playing basketball because he's 7-2 and it will put food on his table."

Then you turn around and criticize him for not chasing the money.

"Also, we didn't see much improvement to his game at all, so he basically wasted a year where he could have gotten paid."

Sounds about par for the course.

Posted by: kalorama | June 23, 2008 1:13 PM | Report abuse

"Excuse me, when did Gilbert enter the discussion about 3rd PG? Get a grip on your hatred DC...

Posted by: | June 23, 2008 1:03 PM "

You described what a PG is supposed to do, and I contrasted it with what Gilby actually does.

Capisce?

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 23, 2008 1:10 PM

Really? You really need to schedule for sessions with the shrink...

Posted by: Anonymous | June 23, 2008 1:17 PM | Report abuse

Am I the only that thinks that JCN pick is...well nothing (a second rounder in 2013). Memphis will be doormats for years to come, which means the pick is crap.

Posted by: Amy | June 23, 2008 12:24 AM

Amy, if you look at the compensation that we got from Memphis (top 19-protected first round pick in 2008, top 16-protected in 2009, top 14 (lottery)-protected picks in 2010-2012, and top 12-protected in 2013) and applied those terms to the last six years' drafts (i.e., top 19-protected in 2003, top 16-protected in 2004, etc.), 28 of the 30 NBA teams had at least one first round pick in the ranges specified. (Memphis had three) If the next six years are like the last, the chances are pretty good that Memphis will have a first round pick that is outside of the protected range during one of those years. They could even miss the playoffs in 2013 and have to give us their pick. By that time, they probably will have had several lottery picks, and, with any luck, will either make the playoffs or be close enough to it that we get their pick (if we don't get it earlier).

In any event, I don't see how anyone can continue to criticize the JCN trade after the most recent developments. I'd rather get a 2013 second-round pick and cash (the worst-case scenario) than be used as contract leverage with his Spanish team, as Memphis apparently was, and lose him after one year, with no compensation.

Posted by: rbpalmer | June 23, 2008 1:31 PM | Report abuse

"Really? You really need to schedule for sessions with the shrink...

Posted by: | June 23, 2008 1:17 PM "

Gilby's got all the shrinks booked in DC.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 23, 2008 2:09 PM | Report abuse

"Really? You really need to schedule for sessions with the shrink...

Posted by: | June 23, 2008 1:17 PM "

Gilby's got all the shrinks booked in DC.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 23, 2008 2:09 PM

Well, he probably needs it too, but he'd have to let some of them take you on as it looks like you need a bit more work than he does...

Posted by: Anonymous | June 23, 2008 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Just read usa today's evaluation of the center position,they like the Lopez brothers projecting brook to go in the top ten and robin not to far behind. They think McGee has a huge upside because of his height and athleticism didn't think much of Hibbert citing his inability to dominate the big east,it will be very interesting to see what EG will do with our two picks. Sweetney is just a ladel of gravy and biscuit away from three fifty.

Posted by: dargregmag@aol.com | June 23, 2008 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Problem with Gilby in the game is that he takes the ball up the court, and then takes a long range unscripted jump shot while everyone else is left to wonder "WTF just happened?"

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 23, 2008 12:52 PM

Sorta like when you're reading along in a blog... and everyone is talking about who the Wizards should draft.... and then, out of the blue, someone interjects a personal tirade against a current (unnamed) player - leaving you to wonder "WTF just happened?"

Posted by: Anonymous | June 23, 2008 5:22 PM | Report abuse

Here's some more analysis on the kid from Rider. I wasn't a fan when I read the scouting reports, but I saw some more video of this guy and he's not that bad. Basically, he is Jared Jeffries plus a few pounds and minus the big time college. All the same pros and cons except for not as deffensively aware plus better shooting touch and form. If you didn't like JJ you won't like Thompson and vice versa.

Posted by: SportzWiz | June 23, 2008 7:58 PM | Report abuse

You described what a PG is supposed to do, and I contrasted it with what Gilby actually does.

Capisce?

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 23, 2008 1:10 PM


OK - so Everybody - no mention of Gilbert Arenas.... No mention of Point Guard....

Perhaps we'll see the last of DC Moron

Posted by: Anonymous | June 23, 2008 8:01 PM | Report abuse

"Sorta like when you're reading along in a blog... and everyone is talking about who the Wizards should draft.... and then, out of the blue, someone interjects a personal tirade against a current (unnamed) player - leaving you to wonder "WTF just happened?"

Posted by: | June 23, 2008 5:22 PM "

Paying attention is not one of your strengths.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 23, 2008 10:40 PM | Report abuse

The comments to this entry are closed.

 
 
RSS Feed
Subscribe to The Post

© 2010 The Washington Post Company