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The latest rumor

Today, on www.hoopsworld.com, a rumor was floated out that the Wizards and Houston Rockets have considered or are considering a deal that would send Washington's 18th pick to Houston for the 25th pick and Luther Head.

Head, who averaged 7.6 points on 43.2 percent shooting but was a total nonfactor in the playoffs, is on the hook for $1.9 million this season.

If the teams were to pull off such a deal, I'd be very curious to see whether J.J. Hickson, the power forward from North Carolina State would still be around for the Wizards at 25. He's the type of wide-bodied PF the Wizards could use.

Oh, and some folks were ribbing on my last post. And yes, it read like some obvious stuff. What I was trying to convey was that I really believed that Ernie was leaning towards trading out of the draft completely in exchange for a future pick.

By Ivan Carter  |  June 26, 2008; 11:58 AM ET
 
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Shaun Livingston will be a free agent on July 1, the Clippers didn't pick up his option. Kid is not even 22 y/o. I know he's been riddled with injuries, just saying...

Posted by: CN | June 26, 2008 12:14 PM | Report abuse

Shaun Livingston will be a free agent on July 1, the Clippers didn't pick up his option. Kid is not even 22 y/o. I know he's been riddled with injuries, just saying...

Posted by: CN | June 26, 2008 12:14 PM


The Wizards should have neither the patience, nor playing time to commit to a risk like Livingston.

Posted by: TruthAboutIt.net | June 26, 2008 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Head replaces Roger Mason, 2 years 4Mil in total if we pick up his qualifying offer.

He got buried in Houston when they switched over to Adelman. Minutes were down and his percentages shrank with them.

Posted by: Monte | June 26, 2008 12:22 PM | Report abuse

The Wizards should have neither the patience, nor playing time to commit to a risk like Livingston.

Posted by: TruthAboutIt.net | June 26, 2008 12:18 PM
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Agreed, but if the price is right, it would be a minimal risk. He won't command the full mid-level, there's no way, unless some GM thinks he can totally revive him (a la Kwame Brown:Lakers). I don't see why he wouldn't be a solid back-up PG with some potential, I think that's worth part of the MLE, but def not all...

http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-clippers26-2008jun26,0,5859088.story

Posted by: CN | June 26, 2008 12:22 PM | Report abuse

That deal isn't eyepopping but its not bad. I would much rather do that than throw away a pick on Hibbert.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 26, 2008 12:27 PM | Report abuse

Anything other than a make good 1-year deal would be too much of a roll of the dice on Livingston. His knee was flat out destroyed, worse than Jay William's in his motorcycle accident, and Williams never got back.

Don't see much sense to the Luther Head deal. Head's a decent player, but he doesn't do anything the Wiz can't get from someone they already have. The only real advantage would be if they include Pecherov the Wiz would be saving themselves 1-2 years of salary obligations.

Posted by: kalorama | June 26, 2008 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Beasley

Posted by: jose | June 26, 2008 12:33 PM | Report abuse

It all depends on who else the Wizards would need to include in that deal to make the numbers work. Throw in Pech, and why trade down to get somebody who has proven not to be anything more than the 3rd or 4th guy off the bench, essentially a poor man's Roger Mason?

Posted by: Anonymous | June 26, 2008 12:33 PM | Report abuse

hahaha yeah when i read it the second time i understood what you meant about trading out of the draft completely. we're losers who spend all day at work looking for simple ways to entertain ourselves.

Posted by: roy hibbert = calvin klein underwear model | June 26, 2008 12:38 PM | Report abuse

"The only real advantage would be if they include Pecherov the Wiz would be saving themselves 1-2 years of salary obligations."

Posted by: kalorama | June 26, 2008 12:32 PM

No, Pecherov's deal expires at the end of this upcoming season, same as Head's. The Wizards have options they can exercise to extend the deal over the next three seasons. Rookie contracts are now two years long, plus options.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 26, 2008 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Anon, you are REALLY down on Hibbert. LOL. No wavering on that one.
Why the infatuation with Luther Head? Again, I'm sorry to keep pasting stuf but this is from espn...


Scouting report: Head's nickname should be "2 down" -- it seemed every time he entered the game, the opposing coach would call a play for his shooting guard to post up against him. He's not a good defender off the ball either, but at 6-3, 185 pounds, he was ripe for abuse by bigger guards on the block.

The most glaring instance came in the Golden State game late in the season, when the Warriors literally ran every play for whomever Head was guarding. The abuse was so bad that Van Gundy had to take him out even though he'd scored 16 points in 12 minutes at the other end.

The obvious solution would be to move Head to the point, but he's a poor ballhandler. He also makes bad decisions in transition, often forcing the action when he ought to pull it out, and that accounts for his unusually high turnover ratio for a jump shooter. "

82games.com also has a plus minus rating for players and his was in the negative.

And we want him why?

Posted by: mark | June 26, 2008 12:40 PM | Report abuse

livingston would be the perfect fit if he were able to regain form...gilbert needs a big point guard...so the big point guard can cover sg's on defense...but arenas can play sg on offense...

anyways...if we trade down to the 25th spot...i believe we will pick ryan anderson...good rebounder...and solid shooter...he's been trying to get a player liket his for a while now..but it hasnt panned out...instead of luther head, i'd ratha get their 2nd round pick and trade up in the second round to nab kyle weaver

Posted by: jason | June 26, 2008 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Because he can be a spot shooter and a decent defender as a reserve. He does what Mason did. The year prior to getting buried by Adelman he shot 44% from 3pt range. Thats his calling card. He is valuable as a backup and as a trade chip for a playoff team looking for an inexpensive shooter at the trade deadline.

Posted by: Monte | June 26, 2008 12:51 PM | Report abuse

The Wiz should trade Arenas and Pecherov to Miami for their number 2. The Wiz can take Beasley. Miami like Arenas. The Wiz could take Beasley and draft a guard with their 18th pick. The Wiz could use Beasley in the post.

Posted by: phillynick | June 26, 2008 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Head is not a good defender by any real measure. He's also not a very good ballhandler and can't put it on the deck very well. He's a poor man's Juan Dixon.

Posted by: kalorama | June 26, 2008 12:55 PM | Report abuse

"No, Pecherov's deal expires at the end of this upcoming season, same as Head's. The Wizards have options they can exercise to extend the deal over the next three seasons. Rookie contracts are now two years long, plus options."

In that case, there's absolutely no good reason to trade for him.

Posted by: kalorama | June 26, 2008 12:56 PM | Report abuse

^He hath spoken, find a new topic peons.

Posted by: Monte | June 26, 2008 12:58 PM | Report abuse

@phillynick : Why would the Wizs trade their best player to a divisional rival? So they can play against him 4 times a season?

The Wizards need a PF/C now and a PG for the future. If Ernie can do both (via draft and/or draft), I'll be happy.

Posted by: Bart | June 26, 2008 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Don't get mad at me because no one else shares your man crush on Head.

Posted by: kalorama | June 26, 2008 1:02 PM | Report abuse

This trade makes a lot of sense to me, especially if the Wizards draft a big man. Someone they like will certainly fall to 25. Head would get more mins off the bench than Pech.

If the Wizards really like a guard in this draft it makes no sense.

Posted by: Johnnie Futbol | June 26, 2008 1:16 PM | Report abuse

head isnt great but he is better than roger mason jr or dixon. He would come off the bench and add depth. I would rather take a 2 for 1 and grab hickson at 25 than just waste the pick on hibbert. The only way I will be angry tnt is if we take Hibbert or we trade for a future pick. those are the only 2 instances I would possibly be disappointed. Also I went to every Gtown home game and I still hate Hibbert and I lobe GTWON.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 26, 2008 1:17 PM | Report abuse

Read an article in the paper with Beasley stating he would rather play for the Wiz in front of the home town but he knows the likelihood of that happening is slim to none.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 26, 2008 1:17 PM | Report abuse

Mason is cheap and came through, at times, in the clutch. Also a low maintenance type. I say keep him.

Posted by: 20782 | June 26, 2008 1:17 PM | Report abuse

Mason wants the full mid level exception and he isnt worth it. Head is the same player and his cap number is 1.9 mil

Posted by: Anonymous | June 26, 2008 1:21 PM | Report abuse

If you think about this trade from Houston's perspective, it must mean that they think Courtney Lee, the guy they'd pick at 18, is better than Luther Head.

So why would the Wizards do it?

Posted by: Anonymous | June 26, 2008 1:22 PM | Report abuse

They'd like to keep him, but he will make more elsewhere than they want to pay him. So Ernie has gone out and found a guy who has a better career 3pt shooting percentage than Mason to fill the same role.

Posted by: Monte | June 26, 2008 1:29 PM | Report abuse

My guess is the Rockets have too many small guards (Brooks, Jackson, etc) and want a bigger two-guard to back up McGrady. In that way, Lee fits better than Head.

I wouldn't look at it as the Rockets saying Lee is necessarily better than Head. Lee just fits them better.

Posted by: Pradamaster | June 26, 2008 1:29 PM | Report abuse

What's with all the anonymous posters here?!?

Out yourselves!

Posted by: Johnnie Futbol | June 26, 2008 1:30 PM | Report abuse

I think I'm correct in assuming the Wiz can't trade a player that's not under contract (read: Arenas). Unless the Heat would would be willing to trade Beasley after-the-fact (they draft him - then swap him for Arenas when he's re-signed). Even then, highly unlikely.

Posted by: psps23 | June 26, 2008 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Wow, this would be a great deal for the Wizards, especially if Roger Mason leaves. Head is a better defender, ball handler, and is more adept at coming off of screens. Head is also just as good a 3 point shooter as Roger, he has just had injury problems the last couple of years. Plus, the Wizards wouldn't be moving that much further down in the draft. This is a no brainer! Pull the trigger Ernie!

Posted by: playoff beard | June 26, 2008 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Gilbert isn't exactly a Pat Riley type of player.

Posted by: Monte | June 26, 2008 1:35 PM | Report abuse

"The Wizards should have neither the patience, nor playing time to commit to a risk like Livingston.

Posted by: TruthAboutIt.net | June 26, 2008 12:18 PM "

Really?

The Wiz had 9 available bodies for practice through most of the 2nd half of last season.

I'd at least give the kid a medical physical and bring him in for a workout.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 26, 2008 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Gilbert isn't exactly a Pat Riley type of player.

Posted by: Monte | June 26, 2008 1:35 PM

Playing devil's advocate, Riley is supposedly enamored with OJ Mayo, who draws comparisons to yours truly, even getting the treatment "could eventually be a Gilbert Arenas type of player."

Posted by: psps23 | June 26, 2008 1:45 PM | Report abuse

"Wow, this would be a great deal for the Wizards, especially if Roger Mason leaves."

I disagree.

I think Roger is a perfect fit in Washington and the Wizards know what they have with him. Head was playing more minutes with Houston then he will see here.

I would be sad to see Roger go.

"What I was trying to convey was that I really believed that Ernie was leaning towards trading out of the draft completely in exchange for a future pick."

Or hopefully for a player that can contribute. My only worry for the upcoming draft has been the Wiz have no cash. If they make a trade for someone they would have to include bodies.

Oh well, guess we'll see tonight.

- Ray

Posted by: Ray | June 26, 2008 1:49 PM | Report abuse

trying to show the Washington Post that they really need to require logins

Posted by: Anonymous | June 26, 2008 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Head is a one-dimensional player who doesn't even handle the ball as well as Mason as a fill-in third PG. We all know Mason will sign elsewhere for more than the Wiz can afford so maybe Ernie thinks Head would be able to fill his role. I just see him as someone who would take minutes from NY who needs them.

Either use the pick for a bigman who isn't a project or trade it to a team for their No. 1 next year if it looks like they're lottery-bound.

Posted by: wizfan89 | June 26, 2008 1:53 PM | Report abuse

trying to show the Washington Post that they really need to require logins

Posted by: | June 26, 2008 1:52 PM

Ah, I see... Don't know if I agree, but fair enough.

Posted by: Johnnie Futbol | June 26, 2008 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Ivan described JJ Hickson as a PJ Brown/Kurt Thomas clone.

The last thing we need is a mediocre 4 who does a little bit of this and that, but none of it well.

Does someone have a link to the measurements/verticals/etc. for the players evaluated at the combine?

Someone said Love was 6-7, but he's listed as 6-10....some reports have Donte Green at 6-8, but in the Post it says he's 6-11.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 26, 2008 1:58 PM | Report abuse

"Either use the pick for a bigman who isn't a project or trade it to a team for their No. 1 next year if it looks like they're lottery-bound."

I agree with this completely, especially if all they are going to do is draft someone and let him sit overseas.

- Ray

Posted by: Ray | June 26, 2008 1:58 PM | Report abuse

I don't think the salaries aren't close enough.

Pech makes a bit less then 1.45M. Head makes about 1.96M.

1.5*1.25=1.875M.

I think it would have to be Nick Young. I doubt that's going to happen. Maybe if we traded the Memphis Pick and Nick Young for Head and #25.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 26, 2008 2:01 PM | Report abuse

"Gilbert isn't exactly a Pat Riley type of player.

Posted by: Monte | June 26, 2008 1:35 PM

Playing devil's advocate, Riley is supposedly enamored with OJ Mayo, who draws comparisons to yours truly, even getting the treatment "could eventually be a Gilbert Arenas type of player."

Posted by: psps23 | June 26, 2008 1:45 PM "

I think you missed the point.

The point was that Pat Riley does not deal with foolish quirkiness from his players.

That's why it was reported today that the Heat are looking to trade their pick where Beasley will be available because they found him to be a bit too much of a freebird.

Pat Riley would have torn Gilby a couple of new ones had Pat been the coach of the Wiz and Gilby carried on the way he's been carrying on since he's been here.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 26, 2008 2:03 PM | Report abuse

I'll take Gilbert Arenas over Pat Riley.

Posted by: Johnnie Futbol | June 26, 2008 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Nick Young is NOT gonna be traded, so get that out of your little head.

Posted by: Adam | June 26, 2008 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Makes NO sense to me to trade out of the draft for future picks. We need to do something NOW. How many times do we lose in the 1st round to the Cavs before we do something to change this team? Yikes! Eton and Pech are totally worthless, and Blatch is getting there with his inconsistency and off the court antics. I'd like to remake this team entirely. Keep Antwan, Butler, and Young and be willing to trade everyone else. Would love to package Arenas & someone for Beasley. I like the dude period. He's just the kind of PF (even if only 6' 8") that we've been looking for since Unseld. Arenas plays ZERO defense. We'll never win with him. We need a PG who actually plays like a PG and plays defense. We were stupid to let Blake go. He was a very serviceable PG and has improved since he left here. And I don't want another worthless European pick. Pick a Kansas dude (Authur, etc.) and go with it. Hibbert??? Way, way, way too soft. Actually wouldn't mind taking a look at Gist or Deron Washington. At least both play defense.

Posted by: Jerry | June 26, 2008 2:11 PM | Report abuse

To the person who posted at 2:01 pm --

The trade would work IF the teams selected players at 18 and 25, THEN traded them (I don't know if they need to sign them, then trade them, or whether they can trade before signing to make the numbers work).

I can't imagine the Wizards would try Young straight up for Head, let alone trading down too.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 26, 2008 2:12 PM | Report abuse

From an ESPN chat:

Ken (New Braunfels, TX): Is there any truth to the rumor that the Rockets are trading their pick at 25 along with Luther Head, to the Wizards for their pick at 18??

Chad Ford: (2:01 PM ET ) The Wizards and Rockets have had talks but nothing is done. I do think the Wizards are trying to move this pick ... they're talking to several teams in the 20s but Rockets look like their best option right now.

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If all this is true clearly the Wizards like a player they believe will be available in the 20s.

Posted by: Johnnie Futbol | June 26, 2008 2:13 PM | Report abuse

88, google chad ford + measurements. You can also look at draftexpress and look at all players, not just drafted ones.
I think Mason i s actually a decent defender. No one ate him up while he played the point. While he may be expensive, I think some underestimate what he did last year. Coming in and playing out of position is tough and he did a credible job.
I still don't think that he'll get the full exception, though. He nutted in the playoffs. What players want and what they get are often completely different.

Posted by: mark | June 26, 2008 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Maybe this has been mentioned before, but if the Wizards are looking to trade for a guard then what about doing a trade with Memphis:

Pecherov + draft pick acquired from Memphis in JCN trade for Kyle Lowry

Memphis would get back a likely lottery pick and clear up the PG logjam they have, but I'm not sure they want/need another big man.

The Wizards would get a quick, strong PG who's noted for playing good defense. His weaknesses are he's not that big (6 foot and 175 pounds) and doesn't have a great offensive game, but he would fill the role of 3rd PG (or 2nd if either Arenas or Daniels is injured) who could be brought in for defensive purposes when needed.

I like Pecherov and would like to see him develop with the Wizards, but Lowry fills a need for us more than another perimeter oriented big man.

Posted by: AlohaWiz | June 26, 2008 2:17 PM | Report abuse

"If all this is true clearly the Wizards like a player they believe will be available in the 20s."

That's not clear at all. It could just as easily mean that they believe the player they wanted at 18 will be gone by then and they don't see anyone else on the board who'd really be worth the 18th pick, so they're trading down to save a little money under the lux tax ceiling.

Posted by: kalorama | June 26, 2008 2:22 PM | Report abuse

It's possible that there was mis-understanding between the GMs, to wit: "I agree to swap 1st round picks if you give me Head" ba-da-bing...

Posted by: Tesio | June 26, 2008 2:22 PM | Report abuse

kwame brown is better than Pech. he is 6-11 and hasn't been inside the 3 point line yet. totally worthless. get anything you can for him. the head trade makes no sense. very stupid.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 26, 2008 2:26 PM | Report abuse

I think the trade makes a lot of sense. Pech is not going to play this season at all anyway so the Wiz might as well trade him for a player that can help the big 3. The Wiz at #25 could pick a player like Alexis Ajinca from France and he would have plenty of time to develop overseas (3 years or more) and would not eat up any of the Wiz salary cap. Remember that Eddie will play Etan adsf15 minutes a night. Etan can be that tough PF, he is getting paid $6 mil + so make him play that role.

Posted by: crackhead | June 26, 2008 2:29 PM | Report abuse

"Makes NO sense to me to trade out of the draft for future picks. We need to do something NOW. How many times do we lose in the 1st round to the Cavs before we do something to change this team? Yikes! Eton and Pech are totally worthless, and Blatch is getting there with his inconsistency and off the court antics. I'd like to remake this team entirely"

Jerry great post up until this point but you lost me after that. If we are trading gilbert for someone high up in the draft it should be rose not beasley. I do agree though its time for gilbert to go and it gets old watching the same team get worked in the 1st round every year while the rest of the east gets better and better. Something needs to change. Also if Ernie trades away our pick for a future 1st rounder I am done with him. He is to conservative at this point we need power moves!!

Posted by: Anonymous | June 26, 2008 2:30 PM | Report abuse

"If all this is true clearly the Wizards like a player they believe will be available in the 20s."

That's not clear at all. It could just as easily mean that they believe the player they wanted at 18 will be gone by then and they don't see anyone else on the board who'd really be worth the 18th pick, so they're trading down to save a little money under the lux tax ceiling.

Posted by: kalorama | June 26, 2008 2:22 PM

Well isn't that a given?

Posted by: Johnnie Futbol | June 26, 2008 2:30 PM | Report abuse

At least this part: "It could just as easily mean that they believe the player they wanted at 18 will be gone by then and they don't see anyone else on the board who'd really be worth the 18th pick..."

Posted by: Johnnie Futbol | June 26, 2008 2:31 PM | Report abuse

I dont get why not us just draft Lee?

Posted by: Mikey | June 26, 2008 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Not really the point. The point is, that this:

"If all this is true clearly the Wizards like a player they believe will be available in the 20s.

Posted by: Johnnie Futbol | June 26, 2008 2:13 PM

is hardly a given. The fact that they're trading down doesn't "clearly" mean there's someone at #25 they particularly like. It could just mean that, with their preferred option at 18 gone, they wanted to trade down as far as possible because there was no on they were particularly enamored of and that the #25 pick was the best deal they could get. Just because they're trading to 25 doesn't mean they're targeting a particular player at that spot.

Posted by: kalorama | June 26, 2008 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Its about contingencies. Ernie is setting up deals in case different players drop to him. Rockets want Lee. If Utah wants Hibbert they have to move ahead of Charlotte and Cleveland to have a shot. But nothing happens until we're on the clock because Hibbert could go #17 to Indy or earlier, same with Lee.

Posted by: Monte | June 26, 2008 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Ernie doesn't want Lee, Houston does.

Posted by: Monte | June 26, 2008 2:40 PM | Report abuse

It is clear, Johnnie, that if true, this rumor indicates Grunfeld likes someone he can get in the 20s. A pick of Batum or CDR in this spot would be great.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 26, 2008 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Head doesn't seem much better than Mason, except maybe being more of a natural PG.

Not sure who is best for the Wiz to pick. I think they need a defensive-minded wide bodied PF or C like D.J. White, Hibbert or Hickson. They have plenty of scorers. They absolutely need defense. Douglas-Roberts would be a nice defender. Buddinger, if he stayed in the draft, would also have been great.

I hear people talking about Darrell Arthur or Javale McGee. They seem a lot like Blatche. Long and lean but not that powerful.

If I had to guess, they probably will take Hibbert. He's kind of a clone of Haywood and could give some decent backup C minutes. But that probably means they trade Etan, who I also like. After Hibbert, they probably go w/ Arthur or McGee. But I would like White or Douglas-Roberts better.

Ernie knows what he is doing.

Posted by: Probably Hibbert or Arthur | June 26, 2008 2:47 PM | Report abuse

So, if Head can do what Mason has done, then why not keep Mason. I am a novice at this and am trying to learn so maybe someone can explain this deal to me and how it will benefit the Wiz next season.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 26, 2008 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Luther Head? Just what we need - another streak-shooting tweener. We need size and strength underneath, or else this team will never make it past the first round of the playoffs!

Posted by: Paul Stutz | June 26, 2008 2:51 PM | Report abuse

.....b/c Head is only 2 mil per year vs. Mason who will be 4-5 mil per year. It's a money thing.

Posted by: Adam | June 26, 2008 2:53 PM | Report abuse

I think there is a $400K difference between the 18th and 25th pick salaries. Hey, every bit counts! Get under that luxury tax!

Posted by: rgz | June 26, 2008 2:55 PM | Report abuse

The market for Mason's skills is likely to be more than Head's salary and for more years. Roger may want the full MLE (5.5M) but he'll only see 3Mil of that IMO. So why pay Roger 3 when you can pay Head 1.9 and get the same numbers? A million here or there makes a big difference once those big salaries for AJ and Gil come in.

Posted by: Monte | June 26, 2008 3:00 PM | Report abuse

...it is all about the $$$ plus we get rid of Pech (a bust) and get a better PF/C prospect

Posted by: crackhead | June 26, 2008 3:02 PM | Report abuse

do the wizards even need to include anyone to make salaries match? i'm not sure when arenas' opt-out becomes officially recognized by the league, but without him or jamison signed, the wizards are well below the salary cap, which would mean they can trade for any player without giving a player in return as long as they don't go over the cap as a result of the trade.

but even if we don't have to give up a player, i don't see why we didn't just buy the hornet's 27th pick, and either still use the 18th on a guard, or trade that pick alone for someone better than head.

i like the idea of talking to memphis for lowry and their 28th pick. but it sounds like EG is probably making calls to everyone drafting in the 20s. so hopefully, he'll be judicious and take the best deal, OR take no deal at all if the best he can get is luther head and the 25th pick.

Posted by: JC | June 26, 2008 3:03 PM | Report abuse

how bout 18 and pech for jack and the 27th?
much better

Posted by: Anonymous | June 26, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

luther head can play ....pech cannot
no brainer deal

Posted by: Anonymous | June 26, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Portland would do that just so they could have McRoberts versus Pech in an all out brawl for the final roster spot. Last "man with the arms of a woman" standing match.

Posted by: Monte | June 26, 2008 3:10 PM | Report abuse

If Luther Head can consistently hit the 3 off the bench then this deal makes good sense... We have no one who can do this and, in the end, it killed us against the Cavs. I remember one point in Game 6 against the Cavs when Daniels just simply would not pull the trigger on a wide open 3, choosing to pass into what became a turnover... at 25 we could wind up with Thompson (the Rider PF) or Hickson and that would be OK. Head will also cost less than Mason, who can do more things perhaps but cannot be counted on to drain the long ball.

A few hours from now we can temporarily retire our giant 8-Ball fortune tellers in any case...

Posted by: khrabb | June 26, 2008 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Not really the point. The point is, that this:

"If all this is true clearly the Wizards like a player they believe will be available in the 20s.

Posted by: Johnnie Futbol | June 26, 2008 2:13 PM

is hardly a given. The fact that they're trading down doesn't "clearly" mean there's someone at #25 they particularly like. It could just mean that, with their preferred option at 18 gone, they wanted to trade down as far as possible because there was no on they were particularly enamored of and that the #25 pick was the best deal they could get. Just because they're trading to 25 doesn't mean they're targeting a particular player at that spot.

Posted by: kalorama | June 26, 2008 2:38 PM

I guess what I'm saying kalorama, if the Wizards are looking to trade down into the 20s, there is one "given" (thus it goes unstated) and another that must "clearly" be true (OK, ok bad choice of words).

This is the "given" and unstated part:

The players they expect will be available at the 18th pick don't excite them enough to stick around (added to that is your point about salary cap, which I hadn't considered and is valid).

Here is what's "clearly" true:

They like what they expect to be available in the 20s. And clearly by this I mean they like the value of what will be available in the 20s. If they're really eager to move down (and who knows), I doubt they see much of a drop in quality between 18 and say 25.

So both the "given" and the "clearly" go together hand in hand.

On the other hand, if there is someone they really like, that they believe will be available at 18, clearly they'll stick to their 18 pick. Perhaps they're just feeling out the trade possibilities for moving down if when the time comes "their guy" has already been picked.

Anyways, who cares. Clearly we should just wait and see tonight. : )

Posted by: Johnnie Futbol | June 26, 2008 3:11 PM | Report abuse

yeah the wiz would have to include a current player to make the salaries match.

"buy the hornet's 27th pick"...the wiz ain't spending no cash now

Posted by: Anonymous | June 26, 2008 3:14 PM | Report abuse

isnt portland over the cap?

Posted by: Anonymous | June 26, 2008 3:15 PM | Report abuse

"I remember one point in Game 6 against the Cavs when Daniels just simply would not pull the trigger on a wide open 3, choosing to pass into what became a turnover... at 25 we could wind up with Thompson (the Rider PF) or Hickson and that would be OK. Head will also cost less than Mason, who can do more things perhaps but cannot be counted on to drain the long ball."

Posted by: khrabb | June 26, 2008 3:10 PM

What are you talking about, khrabb?? First, Head is not a point guard, so Daniels will still be out there. Second, Mason shot 39.8% on 3-pointers this season, while Head shot 35% (39% for his career, though). So, at best, Mason and Head as equally accurate 3-point shooters.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 26, 2008 3:17 PM | Report abuse

pech could take Mcroberts

Posted by: Anonymous | June 26, 2008 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Rumors that Houston will trade up to the 18th pick in exchange for Luther Head and the #25 have been called "completely false" by sources with knowledge of the situation. The Wizards like Roger Mason much more than Luther Head and don't consider him any kind of upgrade to what they have already.

There is "lots of interest in the #18 pick" though.

Got this information from draftexpress so check it out so click on Word on the Street: Draft Day Rumblings and read under Draft-Day Scuttlebutt

Posted by: Dr | June 26, 2008 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Hickson?? lmao we're gonna have so many forwards!

Posted by: prescrunk | June 26, 2008 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Portland is over the cap. You can sign draft picks even if you are over the cap.

Posted by: Monte | June 26, 2008 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Juan Dixon and Jarvis Hayes are available. Do you want them back?

Posted by: Anonymous | June 26, 2008 3:22 PM | Report abuse

"They like what they expect to be available in the 20s. And clearly by this I mean they like the value of what will be available in the 20s. If they're really eager to move down (and who knows), I doubt they see much of a drop in quality between 18 and say 25."

Still doesn't track.

You're assuming they're "eager" to move down because there's something there they really like. Again, that's neither a "given" nor "clear." It could just as easily be a case of them moving down because they're eager not to spend the extra money at #18 when the player they really want is gone.

Your hypothesis assumes that by moving to #25 they're moving towards something they want when it could simply be a case of them moving away from something they don't want and 7 spots down is as far as they can manage to go.

For all we know they were trying to trade out of the first round altogether and #25 was the best deal they could manage.

Posted by: kalorama | June 26, 2008 3:23 PM | Report abuse

nads

Posted by: Anonymous | June 26, 2008 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Luther Head makes perrrrrrrrfect sense for the Wizards. Here's why! It gives them a true starter for absolutely very little in return. I mean, Say Gilbert doesn't sign back with the team...Boom! We have Luther Head coming at you with reckless abandon! So you say Head hasn't done jack? He just needed his opportunity. I think he will thrive in the Wizards system and be a true killer for us. I predict finals! This is the move that puts us over the top!!

Posted by: Jim | June 26, 2008 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 26, 2008 3:29 PM | Report abuse

THE LUTHER HEAD DEAL IS NOT TRUE DID U GUYS READ WHAT Dr POSTED GO TO DRAFT EXPRESS SO CLICK ON WORD ON THE STREET:DRAFT DAY RUMBLINGS AND READ UNDER DRAFT-DAY SCUTTLEBUTT

Posted by: HAM | June 26, 2008 3:29 PM | Report abuse

They're clearing room for bron bron...

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 26, 2008 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Hickson kinda look slike Marlow from the Wire: http://nbadraft.net/images/players/small/jj-hickson-hd.jpg

Posted by: Monte | June 26, 2008 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Agree with Johnnie that EG must know that he can't get someone at No. 18 that will help and figures he can at least get a replacement for Mason by swapping picks with Houston. Drafting after the first 10-15 players is a total crapshoot and Ernie probably thinks he can get similar value at No. 25. Getting Head, who is a good 3-point shooter, to move down seven spots sounds like a good move to me.

Posted by: wizfan89 | June 26, 2008 3:37 PM | Report abuse

This will turn out to be a very uneventful draft for the Wiz. Hold the fort, draft 2 rookies to add to the other mediocre guys on the team. Year after year...same ole, same ole....

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 26, 2008 3:42 PM | Report abuse

THEY ARE RIGHT THE LUTHER HEAD DEAL IS NOT TRUE.CHECK OUT DRAFT EXPRESS.

Posted by: WIZ | June 26, 2008 3:48 PM | Report abuse

And here you are living on that team's blog. What does that make you?

Posted by: Anonymous | June 26, 2008 3:50 PM | Report abuse

i thought the luther head trade would be true but it is not so forget about it i had my hopes up.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 26, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Richard Jefferson traded to the Bucks for YI and Bobby Simmons.......Ernie better quit playing around. Every team in the East is getting better. He better make some power moves or we might find ourselves in the lottery next year.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 26, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Luther Head? I would rather trade down and see them pick up Luther Vandross. At least he could perform at halftime!

Posted by: Larry | June 26, 2008 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Looks like the Nets are clearing up cap room for Lebron in '10.

Posted by: RH | June 26, 2008 3:53 PM | Report abuse

The Wiz should trade Arenas and Pecherov to Miami for their number 2. The Wiz can take Beasley. Miami like Arenas. The Wiz could take Beasley and draft a guard with their 18th pick. The Wiz could use Beasley in the post.

Posted by: phillynick | June 26, 2008 12:53 PM

Sorry, it won't work unless Miami can create enough cap room to pay Gilbert what he wants by giving us one or more of their big-contract players. And why would they trade such players AND the no. 2 overall pick for a project and a guy who's missed most of the last two seasons because of injury? NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

Posted by: rbpalmer | June 26, 2008 3:58 PM | Report abuse

"Luther Head? I would rather trade down and see them pick up Luther Vandross. At least he could perform at halftime!

Posted by: Larry | June 26, 2008 3:53 PM "

Sorry. Unless you have a palm reader to conduct a seance, you won't be hearing from Luther Vandross again.

He's been dead several years.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 26, 2008 3:59 PM | Report abuse

luther head deal not true check this out
http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Wor ... EST--2950/

Posted by: g | June 26, 2008 4:00 PM | Report abuse

"And here you are living on that team's blog. What does that make you?

Posted by: | June 26, 2008 3:50 PM "

Just like you and everyone else here.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 26, 2008 4:02 PM | Report abuse

i will beat both of ya if ya dont shut the f**k up

Posted by: Anonymous | June 26, 2008 4:10 PM | Report abuse

DC Man 88, u need to lose the tude. u have bad mouthed the Wiz since the 1st round of the playoffs. i'm beginning to think ur a Cavs fan, bitter about sucking at life, still trying to take over our beloved Wiz Insider.

Posted by: prescrunk | June 26, 2008 4:11 PM | Report abuse

"And here you are living on that team's blog. What does that make you?

Posted by: | June 26, 2008 3:50 PM "

Shut up....

go to a corner and beat something else. Don't forget to bring a cracker with you.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 26, 2008 4:12 PM | Report abuse

"DC Man 88, u need to lose the tude. u have bad mouthed the Wiz since the 1st round of the playoffs. i'm beginning to think ur a Cavs fan, bitter about sucking at life, still trying to take over our beloved Wiz Insider.

Posted by: prescrunk | June 26, 2008 4:11 PM "

Hey prec#m.

If you read my posts, you would have noted that I cheered for the "Wiz" during the playoffs and haven't called them the "Les BouleS" since then.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 26, 2008 4:14 PM | Report abuse

"i will beat both of ya if ya dont shut the f**k up

Posted by: | June 26, 2008 4:10 PM "

Shut up....

go to a corner and beat something else. Don't forget to bring a cracker with you.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 26, 2008 4:15 PM | Report abuse

You're assuming they're "eager" to move down because there's something there they really like. Again, that's neither a "given" nor "clear." It could just as easily be a case of them moving down because they're eager not to spend the extra money at #18 when the player they really want is gone.

Posted by: kalorama | June 26, 2008 3:23 PM

You don't understand my point. You don't know what I'm saying is a "given" and what is "clear."

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Your hypothesis assumes that by moving to #25 they're moving towards something they want when it could simply be a case of them moving away from something they don't want and 7 spots down is as far as they can manage to go.

Posted by: kalorama | June 26, 2008 3:23 PM

Actually, my hypothesis assumes both to be true. They go hand in hand.

Posted by: Johnnie Futbol | June 26, 2008 4:16 PM | Report abuse

johnnie futbol: nobody cares
kalorama: you're an idiot
dc man88: that is untrue. you called them mediocre today, you talked s**t about Hibachi, you talked s**t about songaila, like if you really like the Cavs so much just admit it. then play in traffic.

Posted by: prescrunk | June 26, 2008 4:26 PM | Report abuse

and cool it on the lmao "quotation marks"!!!

Posted by: prescrunk | June 26, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

owned

Posted by: prescrunk | June 26, 2008 4:31 PM | Report abuse

owned

Posted by: prescrunk | June 26, 2008 4:31 PM | Report abuse

According to that draftexpress, even though the Luther Head rumors are apparently false (thank goodness), "there's still a lot of interest in the 18th pick..."

I'm sure EG is working hard to unleash ET, but they'll probably be no takers. Next year, ET & AD will be very movable at $8M a piece, some team will be looking to rebuild and would be able to use those expiring contracts.

Posted by: CN | June 26, 2008 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Ivan, I hope we don't trade completely out of the draft! Even at 18, this is a draft deep in big men which is rare. We can get a very good C or PF, which are difficult positions to acquire otherwise. With guys like Hibbert, Lopez, Hickson, Arthur, Speights, Koufos, Hardin, DeAndre Jordan as potential picks for us!

Draftexpress just updated their mock and now have the Wizards taking Robin Lopez at 18.

And I don't see much point in moving down to get Head. That is the type of player we should be able to sign with the midlevel without giving up anything.

Posted by: Darnell | June 26, 2008 4:34 PM | Report abuse

if I was going to move in this draft it would be up a few spots for Lopez light. His body can take the league now and he can contribute D and boards and toughness as fast as any player in the draft. Dont need much upside from him, just some help for Haywood

Posted by: Anonymous | June 26, 2008 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Note to the anonymous poster... I am aware that Luther Head does not play point but was simply trying to say that last year ... especially in Gilbert's absence... we did not have ANYONE who could shoot the 3 with the kind of certainty that Luther Head brings to the craft and has done since college... The fact that he shot a couple of percentage points less than Mason (who has priced himself out of our market anyway) from beyond the arc does not mean that much since he was being jerked in and out of lineup so much by his new coach. IF this deal is going down, it will be because EG must be pretty confident that Head can hit around 40% and, above all, not get the willies when he has to pop one with the game on the line. We have not had a pure shooter like that since Tracey Murray or Tim Legler and the main difference between us and the Cavs, LeBron notwithstanding, is that West and Gibson are combo guards who can hit the clutch three when the ball is kicked out to them.

Posted by: khrabb | June 26, 2008 4:53 PM | Report abuse

"dc man88: that is untrue. you called them mediocre today, you talked s**t about Hibachi, you talked s**t about songaila, like if you really like the Cavs so much just admit it. then play in traffic.

Posted by: prescrunk | June 26, 2008 4:26 PM "

prec#m....so you don't think the Wiz are mediocre?

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 26, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

rotfl no you idiot!! the only thing mediocre are the fans

Posted by: prescrunk | June 26, 2008 5:08 PM | Report abuse

"rotfl no you idiot!! the only thing mediocre are the fans

Posted by: prescrunk | June 26, 2008 5:08 PM "

prec#um strikes again.

Check the stats...the Wiz have hovered around .500 ball in the east the past 3 seasons.

2008: 43-39 (.524) = 5th seed one and done
2007: 41-41 (.500) = 7th seed one and done
2006: 42-40 (.512) = 5th seed one and done
2005: 45-37 (.549) = 5th seed second round sweep
2004: 25-57 (.305) = lottery

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 26, 2008 6:12 PM | Report abuse

"What's with all the anonymous posters here?!?

Out yourselves!"

LOL.
Is your name really Johnny football?

Posted by: Anonymous | June 26, 2008 7:16 PM | Report abuse

" trying to show the Washington Post that they really need to require logins"

Posted by: | June 26, 2008 1:52 PM


LOL. WHY? Do you like other people's nom de guerre?

I can call you Betty,
and Betty, when you call me,
You can call me AL,
You can call me AL ...

LOL

Posted by: Anonymous | June 26, 2008 7:25 PM | Report abuse

Trading an 18th pick for a 25th pick and a journeyman type player? Who cares? Picks outside of the first 5 are crapshoots anyway and Luther Head plus $4 will get you a gallon of gas...

Posted by: No Impact | June 26, 2008 8:25 PM | Report abuse

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