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Olympic Team: Was Gilbert Right?

So, almost two years after Gilbert Arenas blasted USA Basketball for not giving him a fair chance, he's starting to look prescient. Granted, he would not have made Team USA given the wealth of talent at the point guard position and his knee injury, but when the team was finally announced today, my first thought was, "Gilbert was right."

All the talk about having a national program of 33 players and forcing them to make a three-year commitment to the program, participate in summer workouts, then tryout for the team in an intense training camp process seems laughable now.

Two weeks ago, USA Managing Director Jerry Colangelo scrapped plans to invite about 15 or 16 players to Las Vegas to cut the team down to 12. It was sort of sneaked in during the NBA Finals, so nobody made a big deal about it.


I told you so.

I think this team wins the gold, but I can't argue with Gilbert: It looks like Team USA knew what it wanted all along. And that didn't include a high-scoring point guard who plays (played?) on Fun Street.

How else do you explain Carlos Boozer's addition to the team, when he didn't play on the world championship team in Japan in 2006 or the representative at the FIBA Americas Tournament in 2007.

In his news conference on Monday, Colangelo used the word "equity" to say explain why Finals MVP Paul Pierce of the Boston Celtics wasn't added to the team, saying that you have to invest something into the program to have a chance at making it.

I'm not hating on Boozer; I think he should be on the team. But I think it's a bit hypocritical to say that somebody has to make a full three-year commitment to make the squad when Boozer was unable to play the past two years (I'll admit he had a legitimate excuse last year with his son's illness). It just seems like Boozer was in the hip pocket all along.

I never got the chance to ask about the selection during the 30-minute Q&A session, but it really doesn't matter. Colangelo and Coach Mike Krzyzewski have the best team they can possibly send.

The only choice that I question some is Tayshaun Prince over Tyson Chandler. I love Prince, but the team is really deficient in the height department. Dwight Howard is the only center - and the team only has two players taller than 6-feet-10 with the 7-foot Howard and the 6-11 Chris Bosh. It might not seem like such a big deal now, but it might if Howard somehow picks up foul trouble.

Nobody thought it was a big deal when Tim Duncan was the only center on the 2004 team in Athens - then Duncan got in foul trouble in almost every game. The trapezoid lane makes post play pretty difficult, but you need shotblocking and rebounding - two things Chandler can most certainly provide. And when Greece upset the squad in Japan, they abused them inside with "Baby Shaq" and controlled the boards. Small ball could hurt them in the long run.


Did our Adidas get us booted?

Arenas also suggested that shoe allegiance played a role in the selection process. Arenas wears Adidas and Nike is a sponsor of USA Basketball. I don't know how much truth is in that - especially since Colangelo said he tried like crazy to get Adidas spokesperson Kevin "Anything Is Posssssiiibbbaaaaaaalllll!" Garnett on the roster and since Nike has stocked its roster of endorsers with the league's best players. But it is a bit odd that Chauncey Billups, who wears Adidas like Howard and Arenas, backed out last week. And, Howard is the only player on the U.S. roster who wears a shoe that isn't owned or operated by Nike.

Coincidence? I think so.

What do you guys think about the team?

By Michael Lee  |  June 23, 2008; 2:12 PM ET
 
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Comments

Totally agree on the Prince over Chandler thing. Thats the move that could come back to haunt them easy. And not just from a extra-big man/defense perspective either; would have been nice to see Paul throw Chandler some of those alley-oops on an international stage.

Posted by: Jake | June 23, 2008 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Prince adds perimeter D and help-side D, while Chandler adds more post D...isn't this team full of perimeter defense and offense already? Maybe they wanted the extra range for the FIBA threepointers.

On another point, reading that article of Gilbert being cut 2 years ago, he says he played SG, chose his spots carefully and hustled back on D...anybody know more about this? I don't know if those practices are open to the public or anything, but if this is accurate, this could be seen as a good sign for the future of this franchise if Gilbert "gets" it.

Posted by: babbtong | June 23, 2008 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Everyone is right to question Prince over Chandler....injury risks to bigs or trigger happy refs notwithstanding.

I guess since the international game is more about passing and motion, perhaps Colangelo has less interest in having basket protectors like Tyson. Rather, he favors the intelligent, tenacious, long-armed, versatile D of Tayshaun who can do his share of disrupting inside and out.

Posted by: TruthAboutIt.net | June 23, 2008 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Not one Big 12 player on Team USA (including Paul Pierce). Equity has nothing to do with it. Coach K has a bias against anything Big 12!

Posted by: Wernlihall | June 23, 2008 2:52 PM | Report abuse

wow, I totally agree with the lack of size in the post. I was looking at the roster and I was shocked to see some of the players that shouldn't have made that roster and did. First and foremost, I want to say that this is not an insult to any of the players who made the team, but as a citizen I want the best possible team to represent the U.S and I believe that selecting Prince,Redd,Boozer might not suit well for the United States becasue there are others who are better and should have made the team. For example, I would have selected Garnett,Ray Allen,Chandler over the other three. Although Prince is on the team for most likely his post defense, but Garnett is a great defender too, and in my opinion he play with more fire and intenstity than Prince. Ray Allen would be a better pick over Redd, becasue Ray Allen is a better pure shooter especially with the olympic three pointer being shorter than the NBA three. On the other hand, I would have pick chandler over boozer becasue Chris paul is on the team and Chandler would have been a nice player to have playing in the same line-up with Paul because he add the much needed hieght and the chemistry that he had with Chris Paul, I guess that chemitry is not so important, becasue I don't know it only took them to the conference semi-final (A little sarcaism). Well, that is just about it from me, please let me know if I'm on point with how I have analyzed the roster or am I just way off? Thanks...

Posted by: Kevin | June 23, 2008 3:00 PM | Report abuse

KG had no interest in playing for this team, so Kevin can't really blame Team USA on that. And when I watched the early scrimmages, Gil was going all out on D, not taking many shots, and seemingly doing everything asked of him. They still had no interest in him and Gil still came back to the Wiz focusing on one side of the court (although this did give me hope that Gil can change).

Posted by: Anonymous | June 23, 2008 3:07 PM | Report abuse

I would leave off:
* Kidd
* Bosh
* Prince
* Wade
* Redd

And add:
* Joe Johnson
* Josh Smith
* Shawn Marion
* Caron Butler
* David West

This gives the team some defensive oomph that they lost when Battier was exiled. Some people talk about lack of height but I think it's quickness in guarding the pick and pops of teams like Greece and Spain. Smith is athletic enough to show and recover. Also, West gives us another multi-dimensional 4 man who will cause fits for teams who try and go small.

Posted by: hoop junkie | June 23, 2008 3:39 PM | Report abuse

Yeah I guess we should all agree w/ Gilbert, playing and representing your freakin country in one of the most important games in a decade is unnecessary. This is the sort of attitude this me first, lets not care about the team, the country they're playing for, that has made the past squads lose to chumps like Greece, and god knows who else. The NBA players should make more than just a three year commitment after the way the played in the last world games. They should have been ashamed and embarrased to be even called NBA players the way they lost to EURO players. 3 years is too much? then get off the team and complain to someone who gives a rats ass. We meaning team USA needs people who stop thinking about themselves and are selfish and care about the TEAM meaning passing the ball to find the open man, and eliminating all this AND1 1vs1 bulls**. The rest of the world plays team fundamental basketball bc they have one goal and thats to play the best they can for their country and represent it w/ pride. NOT w/ selfishness that nba players play with.

Posted by: Agent 69 | June 23, 2008 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Sorry hoop junkie...

But c'mon, Marion and Josh Smith would be terrible adds.

Do you honestly think they have what it takes, attitude-wise, to provide a positive contribution to the team and accept responsibility from Coach K's instruction?

I have high doubts.

Posted by: TruthAboutIt.net | June 23, 2008 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Nevermind "high scoring point guards," being unwelcome for the Olympic Team, how many "high scoring point guards" in the NBA have led their teams to championships anyway?

None in the last 20 years and counting.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 23, 2008 4:14 PM | Report abuse

*Everyone is right to question Prince over Chandler* I'm gonna go with the assuption that Everyone is on DRUGS! A proven winner who never stops hustling, plays excellent all round D, who can stop anybody from the PG to the C...c'mon people get real here!

Will its true you can't teach big, you can't teach heart and hustle either...which always trumps size...

Posted by: vcpuppy | June 23, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

how many "high scoring point guards" in the NBA have led their teams to championships anyway?

None in the last 20 years and counting.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 23, 2008 4:14 PM

So Tony Parker doesn't count? I guess not because he's not American.

And Chauncey Billups doesn't count as another shoot first PG, cause his ave. is only about 17PPG.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 23, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Fascinating isn't it...not one player has backed out due to "security concerns." I guess the (American) NBA stars now believe we have won the war on terror and that security is no longer an issue. Either that, or they were full of it in 2004.

Posted by: OG Barno (not to be confused with New Barno) | June 23, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

they were actually scared ****-less

Posted by: Anonymous | June 23, 2008 5:09 PM | Report abuse

Josh Smith has an attitude problem? I don't think so - hardest working player on the hawks by far, most underrated player in the game and he never says a word.

Posted by: ATLwizFAN | June 23, 2008 5:14 PM | Report abuse

Could care less to be honest Mike.

And I don't expect them to win gold anymore and neither should you.

- Ray

Posted by: Ray | June 23, 2008 5:36 PM | Report abuse

ATLwizFAN-thats a homer opinion. All you ever hear about josh smith is he has attitude problems and is constantly complaining about something.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 23, 2008 5:38 PM | Report abuse

The Nike thing is basically a coincidence. Too many guys signed to Nike deals to make much of it. I don't like the Prince over Chandler thing, but he's 6'9 with the wingspan do a 7'+ guy. We actually have no need to Wade on this team, and we could probably drop CP3, since his penetration game and defensive +s and -s don't match up really well to the international game. You want your ball-handling guards to be big and good at shooting and with Lebron, Kobe, and Melo, there isn't a huge need for slashers. And with Redd coming off the bench, where Wade gonna play? PG? We've got 3. SG? Redd! SF? Not big enough...

Posted by: Ignarus | June 23, 2008 5:41 PM | Report abuse

"So Tony Parker doesn't count? I guess not because he's not American.

And Chauncey Billups doesn't count as another shoot first PG, cause his ave. is only about 17PPG.

Posted by: | June 23, 2008 4:51 PM "

Huh? You answer your own quetions?

Funny you should mention those guys.

Both are team players, and none have ever averaged over 20 pts/game in a season.

Also, both have great assist numbers, and Chauncey is a hard nosed tough defender. Both are also quite durable.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/stats?playerId=1015

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/stats?playerId=63

No wonder you post without a handle.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 23, 2008 5:47 PM | Report abuse

What's up guys! I love this blog!

So do you guys think the Wizards might take Bombale Osby with their 1st round pick? I hear there's a decent chance.

Peace out guys!

Posted by: Will The Grape Ape Seagull | June 23, 2008 6:41 PM | Report abuse

What Gilbert thinks is the type of me first attitude that has made the past squads lose to teamslike Greece, and god knows who else. The NBA players should make more than just a three year commitment after the way the played in the last world games. They should have been ashamed and embarrased to be even called NBA players the way they lost to EURO players. 3 years is too much? then get off the team and complain to someone who gives a rats ass. We meaning team USA needs people who stop thinking about themselves and are selfish and care about the TEAM meaning passing the ball to find the open man, and eliminating all this AND1 1vs1 bulls**. The rest of the world plays team fundamental basketball bc they have one goal and thats to play the best they can for their country and represent it w/ pride. NOT w/ selfishness that nba players play with.

Posted by: 10plus3 | June 23, 2008 7:31 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, a follow up on the not-surprising overwhelming majority of Nike sponsored players - Nike has 93% of the basketball shoe market.

Posted by: Ignarus | June 23, 2008 7:41 PM | Report abuse

whats the deal with everyone being in love with Tyson Chandler.. dude was a stiff before Chris Paul started dropping gifts in his lap.. Sure he plays D, but so does Prince.. Prince's length and quickness on the perimeter are unparalleled, and he brings a tough matchup on the other end too.. He's probably been the MVP of the Pistons the last 2 years at least.. Tyson Chandler is strictly a complementary offensive player who cant create his own shot. You think those oops would be there without Paul and West .. I beg to differ

Posted by: newport terp | June 23, 2008 7:50 PM | Report abuse

kidd should not be on this team.. i could see chandler for kidd

Posted by: newport terp | June 23, 2008 7:51 PM | Report abuse

Seconding the post above mine. It's not even a matter of whether Chandler belongs on that team - Kidd shouldn't be ANYWHERE NEAR that squad. You have Paul and Williams; if something happens to them, LeBron takes the PG spot. Kidd doesn't belong on there; Prince does.

Posted by: historypeats | June 23, 2008 8:00 PM | Report abuse

Actually, the reason why Gilby was cut from the team was because he abandoned his "me first/shoot first" game during the trials and adopted a facilitator role where he failed miserably. Same thing will probably happen if gets resigned by EG.

Stick to what you know best Gilby...diva, ballhog, whiner, shoot first/second/third/etc, olay defense, etc.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 23, 2008 8:22 PM | Report abuse

Uhhh, isn't Kobe Bryant Mr. ADIDAS himself? Last I saw...he sported three stripes down the side of his shoes. Since he's on the team, that kinda throws a big ol wrench in the theory wheel now, doesn't it?

Posted by: Biz | June 24, 2008 12:03 AM | Report abuse

Kobe's been a "Nike" guy for the past few seasons. Originally with adidas but that was a long time ago...

Posted by: ebehoops | June 24, 2008 12:28 AM | Report abuse

88er you contradicted yourself. What is your definition of high scoring point guard? This is just another opportunity for one of your Anti-Gilbert Arenas posts. You are boring.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 24, 2008 7:22 AM | Report abuse

I think Gilbert is right in a lot that he says. Unfortunately, his reputation for being 'quirky' prevents people from taking him seriously. He had no chance of making the team, as he thought. As patriotic as I am, I wasn't dismayed at the team losing in the World Championships because of the way they treated him. How's Kurt Hinrich looking these days?
I'm not sure whether 88 was being facetious or not but he's right in that Gilbert DID play defense and pass the ball during the trials. Unfortunately for him, when guys don't make shots, the pg stats don't look too good.
If you look at previous recent teams, guys like Paul Pierce and Melo are the types that give international teams fits. A player a little size, shooting abiolity and ball handling skills is what this teams needs. Joe Johnson types would fit us best. The Olympics is not about defense and locking down the opponent. It's not a bout having a big guy in th middle to deter driving, either. You have to have a mobile big man that can guard the perimeter Euro big men. Prince is a much better choice that Chandler.

Posted by: mark | June 24, 2008 7:54 AM | Report abuse

last time i check D-Wade wear converse and he is on the team.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 24, 2008 8:01 AM | Report abuse

"Also, both have great assist numbers, and Chauncey is a hard nosed tough defender. Both are also quite durable."

Tony Parker - 5.5 AST
Chauncey Billups - 5.5 AST
Gilbert Arenas - 5.5 AST

But Gilbert failed to make the Olympic team because he abandoned his shoot first game and went on a facilitator role.

Gilbert stick to what you know best being diva, ballhog, whiner, shoot first/second/third/etc, olay (sic) defense, etc.

88er make up your mind!

Posted by: Anonymous | June 24, 2008 8:08 AM | Report abuse

"88er make up your mind!

Posted by: | June 24, 2008 8:08 AM "

GM'er.

Obviously you don't know the meaning or difference between a PG who runs an offense and gets his team set vs. a PG who looks for his shot first and then throws bailout kicks to the wing man for a jumper as a last resort.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 24, 2008 8:26 AM | Report abuse

Take for example AI. AI has way better assist numbers than Gilby...does anyone consider him a facilitator? Not.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/stats?playerId=366

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/stats?playerId=974

Even still, AI is clearly a max money player. He's been so much better than Gilby.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 24, 2008 8:29 AM | Report abuse

"I'm not sure whether 88 was being facetious or not but he's right in that Gilbert DID play defense and pass the ball during the trials. Unfortunately for him, when guys don't make shots, the pg stats don't look too good.

Posted by: mark | June 24, 2008 7:54 AM "

Most people on this blog have bad memories, or intentionally want to forget the drama behind Gilby.

If nothing else, they should remember Gilby's exact words during the trials. He said he wanted to come in as a facilitator because there were already many scorers on the team. He wanted to do the dirty work (not defense though, markie).

Well, he was cut from the team because he failed miserably at it. He probably couldn't even facilitate getting donuts for the team.

If Gilby gets max money and he wants to prove he's a max money player, his best bet would be to keep chucking the ball as he's been doing since he's been here. That's his bread and butter.

To deviate from that style would throw Gilby into the Bizzaro world. Being a ballhog helps Gilby, but at the detriment of his own team. Oh well.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 24, 2008 8:35 AM | Report abuse

Aawwwwww, go cry a river DC Moron. lol

Posted by: Anonymous | June 24, 2008 8:42 AM | Report abuse

lol You're such a sad SOB story, it's FUNNY! ROFL

Posted by: Anonymous | June 24, 2008 8:44 AM | Report abuse

Face it Gilby Monster:

Gilbert is coming back and he will become as popular as ever.

You'll have to suffer through five or six years of this.

Why don't you crawl back to the Miami Heat forums now?

Posted by: Dante from West Chester | June 24, 2008 8:45 AM | Report abuse

Waaaaaaahhhh Waaaahhhhhhhh stop it! It's not nice to make fun of people who have mental problems. You wouldn't like that would you?

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 24, 2008 8:48 AM | Report abuse

We need to get out of this 20th Century mindset about athletics in this country. Gone are the days of chanting U...S...A, cheering for the same team year after year and actually being able to attend a game live; now it's all about three things: the name on the arena/stadium, the name on the back of the jersey and the sponsor/shoe-maker logo on the front of the jersey.

The Olympics are no longer about pride, passion and loyalty; it's about money, more money and tons of money. Jerry Colangelo may be the mouth piece of this USA basketball team but it's Phil Knight and Mark Parker pulling the selection strings.

You see, you can't market and sell jerseys of guys like Tyson Chandler, Joe Johnson, Josh Smith, Shawn Marion, Caron Butler and David West... just look up where their jersey sales rank nationally. At the end of the day, the players, Colangelo and Mike Krzyzewski may suffer another embarrassing third place finish in August but Nike and Adidas will be always take home gold.

And that my friends is 21st Century athletics in the United States -- for better and for worse.

Posted by: Upper Eastsider | June 24, 2008 9:08 AM | Report abuse

If what EG supposedly did is confirmed by Stern, with regard to that hush hush deal with Gilby as reported by Mitch Lawrence, expect Stern to crack down on the Wiz.

It'll be Abe's most embarrassing moment as he rides off the sunset...courtesy of deepthroat (aka Gilby).

Don't expect Abe to take this sitting down. He will clean house and get rid of EG and Gilby, and the Wiz will be starting from scratch all over again.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 24, 2008 9:10 AM | Report abuse

Gilbert is such a whiner... fact is.. he's not good enough to make it... if he had, he wouldn't be complaining about all of the politics... again, his ego is so much bigger than his game

Posted by: LK | June 24, 2008 9:11 AM | Report abuse

get rid of gilbert imapenis

Posted by: Anonymous | June 24, 2008 9:27 AM | Report abuse

get rid of gilturd

Posted by: Anonymous | June 24, 2008 9:28 AM | Report abuse

get rid of agent dildo

Posted by: Anonymous | June 24, 2008 9:29 AM | Report abuse

Stop saying dildo, you're getting me hot and flustered. Damn horny and all and I can't get it! Wwwwaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh!

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 24, 2008 9:46 AM | Report abuse

It's funny how people complain about me and my personal attacks, but the focus of my comments have been on the Wiz and Gilby.

It's sad to see how this blog has turned into a forum for personal attacks, clearly not started by me, but, it is also very funny in a way.

LMAO!

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 24, 2008 9:55 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 24, 2008 10:06 AM | Report abuse

It's funny how people complain about me and my personal attacks, but the focus of my comments have been on the Wiz and Gilby.

It's sad to see how this blog has turned into a forum for personal attacks, clearly not started by me, but, it is also very funny in a way.

LMAO!

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 24, 2008 9:55 AM

Definitely very funny! Now bend over, biaaaaatccchhh!

Posted by: Agent Dildo | June 24, 2008 10:16 AM | Report abuse

arenas is a drama queen. dont listen to anything he says

Posted by: Anonymous | June 24, 2008 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Obviously you don't know the meaning or difference between a PG who runs an offense and gets his team set vs. a PG who looks for his shot first and then throws bailout kicks to the wing man for a jumper as a last resort.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 24, 2008 8:26 AM
Changing the focus away from the obviously boomeranged facts you stated eh?

And obviously you don't remember that the Wizards play Princeton. After bringing the ball over the half court line, the system doesn't require the PG to set up the game as much as other schemes do. The ball is passed off quickly.

BTW when you say bailout kicks to the wing, do you mean the stuff that Nash and Kidd do everyday?

88er no one is attacking you just correcting your bad logic. You may think you know basketball but you don't.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 24, 2008 10:42 AM | Report abuse

This blog sux

Posted by: Burg w/ a U | June 24, 2008 10:46 AM | Report abuse

wow!

a penis.

a turd.

a dildo.

glad to see the kids are enjoying summer vacation.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 24, 2008 10:47 AM | Report abuse

Yes Burg, this blog does suck. It didn't use too. Used to be a great place to blog. Not sure what happened. Haven't been here in a while but I see nothing has changed.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 24, 2008 10:49 AM | Report abuse

"The ball is passed off quickly.

BTW when you say bailout kicks to the wing, do you mean the stuff that Nash and Kidd do everyday?

88er no one is attacking you just correcting your bad logic. You may think you know basketball but you don't.

Posted by: | June 24, 2008 10:42 AM "

I guess you don't watch the Wiz games.

Otherwise, I guess you think Gilby crossing halfcourt and then launching a 30 footer is part of the Princeton Offense. The Wiz version of the Princeton is so effective, I guess, that everyone ends up just standing around and watching and waiting when Gilby will, if ever, pass the ball.

Also, talk to me when Nash and Kidd take so many shots that they average about 29 pts/game...instead, Nash averaged over 11 assists the past 4 seasons, while JKidd averages over 9 assists his career and has almost 100 triple doubles.

Sorry, but using Nash and Kidd in comparison to ballhog Gilby is a piss poor example.

You think you know basketball, but you don't...by a long shot.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 24, 2008 11:04 AM | Report abuse

I am what happened to this blog. I crave attention even if it is negative attention. That is what happens to you when your mommy neglects you. My advice to all of you is hug your kids so they won't turn out like me.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 24, 2008 11:16 AM | Report abuse

"Nevermind "high scoring point guards, being unwelcome for the Olympic Team, how many "high scoring point guards" in the NBA have led their teams to championships anyway?"

None in the last 20 years and counting."

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 23, 2008 4:14 PM

Does the name Isiah Thomas ring any bells?

Posted by: kalorama | June 24, 2008 11:19 AM | Report abuse

Otherwise, I guess you think Gilby crossing halfcourt and then launching a 30 footer is part of the Princeton Offense.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 24, 2008 11:04 AM

Whether you want to admit it or not, this IS an asset to the offense, just as Ray Allen's running transition 3's are an asset to the Celtic's offense (even though they aren't a traditional aspect of how their offense is run). Gil doesn't automatically cross half-court and jack up 3's every time he comes down the court, he does it in select moments of the game.

Again, like I said earlier, it'll come down to coaching and leadership. Someone needs to step up and take control of the entire team (including Gil), to get them to play balanced and disciplined - which can still include Gil's moments of "feeling it." If EJ isn't that guy, then the Wiz would be better off finding someone who is. (And a floor leader wouldn't be bad either. Hopefully Butler keeps growing into that role.)

Posted by: psps23 | June 24, 2008 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 23, 2008 4:14 PM

Does the name Isiah Thomas ring any bells?

Posted by: kalorama | June 24, 2008 11:19 AM

How about Magic - he could put the ball in the hole too...

Posted by: Anonymous | June 24, 2008 11:30 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 23, 2008 4:14 PM

Does the name Isiah Thomas ring any bells?

Posted by: kalorama | June 24, 2008 11:19 AM

How about Magic - he could put the ball in the hole too...

Posted by: Anonymous | June 24, 2008 11:30 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: kalorama | June 24, 2008 11:55 AM | Report abuse

88, I watched Gil play during the trials and I remember him diving for loose balls and passing a lot. he seemed to be trying to buy into the "defense first" traditional point guard thing that Coach K was selling.
While we're on this comparison, let's stack GA up against AI.
The career assist number for AI is 6.3 compared to GA's 5.5. Not much of a difference. The 2 point fg% is almost identical ( GA is at .427 to AI's .426). Gil averages a half a turnover more per game. He also averages half a rebound more per game. Gil is superior in 3 point fg% (.358 vs .314) as well as FT% (.809 vs. .780). AI has half a steal more per game and they are identical in blocks.

Based on stats alone, you'd have to conclude that AI and GA are very similar players. Neither one has a measurable stat that is far above the other guys'. If someone concludes that AI is a hall of fame player, they would have to also conclude that GA is at least on the same track. Longevity and the volume of shots is a key advantage AI has right now but that's about it.
BTW, I was surprised when I looked at the comparison. I expected AI to be far superior in most categories. If GA can stay healthy and put up similar numbers for 5-6 more years, we may be looking at a HOF candidate.

Posted by: mark | June 24, 2008 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: mark | June 24, 2008 12:01 PM

crack kills.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 24, 2008 12:06 PM | Report abuse

88, isn't the standard thinking that shooting at least 33% from 3 point range is the same as 50% from two point range and is acceptable? (Four 3 point shots made out of twelve gets you 12 points and six 2 point shots out of 12 also gets you 12 points).
Gil is a career .358 shooter. It's not great but still respectable. Who cares whether he launches a 30 footer or 23.9 footer as long as it goes in? Remember some of those 30 footers have been pretty dramatic clutch shots. Also, I don't recall him ever shooting those REALLY long ones unless it was a 'end of quarter' or 'end of game' shot. He's probably even better than .358 on those clutch shots.
I know this link is old but Gil was a top clutch shooter and shot creator when this analysis was done. This was before his clutch shooting 'spree' in 2006, too.

http://www.82games.com/clutchplay2.htm

Posted by: mark | June 24, 2008 12:11 PM | Report abuse

LOL. No I'm not on crack. I'm not even advocating Gil for the HOF. I'm looking strictly at a AI/Gil comparison. If AI is a shoo-in, Gil's numbers so far in his career compare favorably and he has to be considered if they remain the same for a few more years.
Rounded up, Gil's numbers are 23 points, 6 assists and 4 rebounds per game. If you look at the last 4 years, they are even more impressive and he's only 26 years old. He may be a longshot but 4 more years of what he's done the last 4 and he's a serious candidate.

Posted by: mark | June 24, 2008 12:14 PM | Report abuse

...of course there are legions of ppl who think that AI is a selfish me-first player, too. It wasn't until he got to the Finals that some folks started to like his game a little bit.

Posted by: mark | June 24, 2008 12:17 PM | Report abuse

"BTW, I was surprised when I looked at the comparison. I expected AI to be far superior in most categories. If GA can stay healthy and put up similar numbers for 5-6 more years, we may be looking at a HOF candidate.

Posted by: mark | June 24, 2008 12:01 PM "

One of the biggest stats you missed was scoring average. If you're talking about a shoot first guard, AI is superior in that category by almost 5 pts more on his average and consistent at that, having averaged over 30 pts five seasons in his career. Twice at the same stage of Gilby's career.

Another stat is minutes played. AI has averaged almost 42 min/game. Gilby about 37 min/game. And, AI shoots 2 more FT's a game. AI averages 69 games/season....Gilby at almost 62 games. AI is more durable.

Also, when comparing size, AI is barely 6' and weighs 165 lbs. In contrast, Gilby is 6-4 and weighs 215 listed.

AI has been playing in the NBA for almost 12 years. Gilby's coming off a double knee surgery. Gilby would be lucky to play another 5-6 years and keep his quickness.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 24, 2008 12:20 PM | Report abuse

The 2 point fg% is almost identical ( GA is at .427 to AI's .426).

Realistically due to true shooting percentage it's a bigger difference since Gil shoots and makes more 3's than AI.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 24, 2008 12:24 PM | Report abuse

I didn't mention scoring avg explicitly but I mentioned AI shooting more shots. Obviously if Gil shot more shots, he'd be up there in scoring avg, too. Wasn't he second in the league behind Kobe in ft attempts before he got hurt?
Durability is a difference, sure. Throw out this latest injury (really one injury that cost him over 2 seasons) and Gil has been pretty durable.
I think that the fact that Gil's numbers are close to AI in 5 fewer minutes per game is actually a testament to Gil, not an indictment of his skills.

Posted by: mark | June 24, 2008 12:26 PM | Report abuse

"Gil is a career .358 shooter. It's not great but still respectable. Who cares whether he launches a 30 footer or 23.9 footer as long as it goes in? Remember some of those 30 footers have been pretty dramatic clutch shots.

Posted by: mark | June 24, 2008 12:11 PM "

Do you know what you are saying? Gilby hits like 1/3 of his 3 point shots. That means 2 out of 3 times, he won't make it.

Who cares you ask?

What about the team and the flow of the offense?

Gilby is guaranteed to dribble down and jack up a bomb if his man just hit one on the other end. That's how Gilby is.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 24, 2008 12:27 PM | Report abuse

One of the biggest stats you missed was scoring average. If you're talking about a shoot first guard, AI is superior in that category by almost 5 pts more on his average and consistent at that, having averaged over 30 pts five seasons in his career. Twice at the same stage of Gilby's career.

AI also had a bunch of guys who played defense and never could shoot the ball. Gil in multiple seasons has had two 20 point scorers, so he could easily have averaged what AI has.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 24, 2008 12:27 PM | Report abuse

In AI's defense, he played with some real scrubs over the years and still was able to rack up some assist in Philly. He was the fous for other teams on defense, too yet still scored. Gil has other guys to take some of the pressure off him. AI was alone offensively a lot of nights. Eric freaking Snow !

Posted by: mark | June 24, 2008 12:28 PM | Report abuse

But again, hitting over one third of your 3's is pretty good. It's only when you start going below that that the shot becomes questionable.
It also sounds bad when you say that someone misses half the time they shoot but it's actually pretty darn good to make 50%.

Posted by: mark | June 24, 2008 12:30 PM | Report abuse

"I didn't mention scoring avg explicitly but I mentioned AI shooting more shots. Obviously if Gil shot more shots, he'd be up there in scoring avg, too. Wasn't he second in the league behind Kobe in ft attempts before he got hurt?
Durability is a difference, sure. Throw out this latest injury (really one injury that cost him over 2 seasons) and Gil has been pretty durable.
I think that the fact that Gil's numbers are close to AI in 5 fewer minutes per game is actually a testament to Gil, not an indictment of his skills.

Posted by: mark | June 24, 2008 12:26 PM "

AI being under 6 ft. and 165 lbs and having superior numbers than Gilby is a testament that he's a better player, especially having done it over 12 years.

Also, you can't "throw out" Gilby's injury.

How about we "throw out" the fact that Shaq wasn't called for manhandling Deke during the finals and thus AI was robbed of a ring.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 24, 2008 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Yep, anon. With an older Larry Hughes (AI had the one young one I think) and Caron and Aj, Gil could have averaged more assist if he'd tried. I don't think he was trying, though. I believe that with long term security and no need to chase stats, he'll start looking to pass more. At least I'm hoping...

Posted by: mark | June 24, 2008 12:34 PM | Report abuse

"AI also had a bunch of guys who played defense and never could shoot the ball. Gil in multiple seasons has had two 20 point scorers, so he could easily have averaged what AI has.

Posted by: | June 24, 2008 12:27 PM "

But he didn't.

When people compare Hank Aaron to Babe Ruth to Barry Bonds, do they say so and so hit most of his home runs in a smaller ballpark? They don't.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 24, 2008 12:37 PM | Report abuse

88, I'm not saying AI is not a better player at all. Many ppl more knowledgable than us have said that he's the best player under 6'1 feet ever (with a nod to Tiny Archibald). I'm not throwing out the injury, either. It's just that he's had one major injury and I don't think it's fair to categorize him as injury prone yet. Now CB on the other hand....

Posted by: mark | June 24, 2008 12:37 PM | Report abuse

One article on CNNSI has this to say about Gil today...

Arenas will probably never be a pure point guard. But paired with a bigger ball handler in the backcourt -- saving Arenas from having to defend the point position -- Agent Zero could be an unstoppable offensive force. Assuming the knee is healthy, of course.

Posted by: mark | June 24, 2008 12:45 PM | Report abuse

"Arenas will probably never be a pure point guard. But paired with a bigger ball handler in the backcourt -- saving Arenas from having to defend the point position -- Agent Zero could be an unstoppable offensive force. Assuming the knee is healthy, of course.

Posted by: mark | June 24, 2008 12:45 PM "

Unfortunately, that quote means squat because Gilby cannot give up the ball handling duties. He commands the ball too much and wouldn't fit in a system where he needs to feed off someone.

Also, Gilby is too small and not athletic enough for the 2.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 24, 2008 12:49 PM | Report abuse

On a lighter note, wouldn't it be funny if GM bought some advertising space on this blog and we got to compare the parking attendant's mug face to face with Ivan's?

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 24, 2008 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Is all you guys do all day is sit around and post stupid comments about Gilbert. What a bunch of losers! You sit here and let this DC character goad you in to saying idiotic and mean spirited things about a person you don't even know. I can't wait until Gil signs. When,not if, but when he comes back healthy and playing his arse off, it will be nice to see all of you jokers eat crow. And to think, you are supposed to be Wiz fans??? Yea, right! And jilted lover/DC girl/man88, cause only a girl can hold that much hate for a guy, bring it on, ain't nobody scared of your crazy arse! You are just a jilted lover living vicariously through others cause you don't have a life.

Posted by: The real Wiz Fan. | June 24, 2008 1:04 PM | Report abuse

You can't add people like KG, Ray, David West or whoever. These guys have no interest in representing Team USA, its a shame but its the truth. You have to stick to guys who are in the 3 year program and are fully committed to actually playing for Team USA. But if it was up to me, Chandler would have been my last pick instead of Prince...no disrespect to Prince cause he does game. In my opinion, Chandler is a taller version of Prince just without a mid-range game.

Posted by: Donte | June 24, 2008 1:11 PM | Report abuse

"Is all you guys do all day is sit around and post stupid comments about Gilbert. What a bunch of losers! You sit here and let this DC character goad you in to saying idiotic and mean spirited things about a person you don't even know. I can't wait until Gil signs. When,not if, but when he comes back healthy and playing his arse off, it will be nice to see all of you jokers eat crow. And to think, you are supposed to be Wiz fans??? Yea, right! And jilted lover/DC girl/man88, cause only a girl can hold that much hate for a guy, bring it on, ain't nobody scared of your crazy arse! You are just a jilted lover living vicariously through others cause you don't have a life.

Posted by: The real Wiz Fan. | June 24, 2008 1:04 PM "

How did Gilby's mother find this blog?

Spare time between pipe hits.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 24, 2008 1:16 PM | Report abuse

Somebody please give me a hug.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 24, 2008 1:17 PM | Report abuse

Somebody please give me a hug.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 24, 2008 1:17 PM

ROFL

Posted by: Anonymous | June 24, 2008 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Apparently Grunfeld is holding a press conference today at 2. Hopefully I can get out of that lockdown long enought to watch.

Posted by: Prison Balls | June 24, 2008 1:30 PM | Report abuse

"Apparently Grunfeld is holding a press conference today at 2. Hopefully I can get out of that lockdown long enought to watch.

Posted by: Prison Balls | June 24, 2008 1:30 PM "

Maybe to plead guilty to the secret contract that Gilby blabbed to Mitch Lawrence about.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 24, 2008 1:57 PM | Report abuse

One article on CNNSI has this to say about Gil today...

Arenas will probably never be a pure point guard. But paired with a bigger ball handler in the backcourt -- saving Arenas from having to defend the point position -- Agent Zero could be an unstoppable offensive force. Assuming the knee is healthy, of course.


That's exactly what the Wizards had with Larry Hughes.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 24, 2008 2:03 PM | Report abuse

"Arenas will probably never be a pure point guard. But paired with a bigger ball handler in the backcourt -- saving Arenas from having to defend the point position -- Agent Zero could be an unstoppable offensive force. Assuming the knee is healthy, of course."

So if the SG is defending the PG position, that means Arenas will have to defend the SG position, where he'd be giving up size and strength and would routinely be shot over or posted up on.

Yeah, that makes sense.

Posted by: kalorama | June 24, 2008 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, but using Nash and Kidd in comparison to ballhog Gilby is a piss poor example.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 24, 2008 11:04 AM
You mentioned kicking the ball out to the wing as if it were a bad thing. I mentioned Nash and Kidd to show precisely that good players, regardless of position attack the rim and pass as necessary. It is a move that players learn and
coaches teach.

But in any case I've already shown how you shift positions, duck and weave when your statements are proven wrong, and try to shift your focus to something different all together.
You said no shooting point guards have led their teams to the championship. Well, Parker and Billups are two in the last 10 years.

You said those two guys have good assist numbers compared to Arenas, well the ESPN ave. assist numbers is the same for all three players: 5.5!
So keep it coming 88er, keep sticking your foot in your mouth.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 24, 2008 2:42 PM | Report abuse

It was Mannix from CNNSI who wrote it. Yeah he'd definitely have trouble with bigger sg's. Of course, they'd have a hard time staying in from of him, too. In our division, he'd have to guard Ray Allen, Anthony Parker, Iguodala, Vince Carter, and Jamal Crawford/Q Richardson. Damn ! That's a tough assignment. If he thinks his knee hurts now,....
He's too small for SG and really only has one position he can guard. His offense may have to be his defense against the guys that are quicker than him.

Posted by: mark | June 24, 2008 2:46 PM | Report abuse

For a lot of the Bulls championships, even though Kerr, Paxson and BJ Armstrong may have been listed as pg's, they were really spot-up guys who didn't initiate the offense. Though they may have been listed as pg's their role on offense was more like shooting guards. Jordan and Pippen were the main facilitators and were almost always 1 and 2 in assists. I'd count Jordan as a shoot first guard who occasionally played the point. Pippen was listed as a G-F who also played the point a lot and he didn't exactly shy away from shots. Pippen averaged between 18 and 21 ppg during the championship seasons.
I think shoot first guys CAN win. Isiah Thomas led his team in shots attempted as well as scoring during his 2 Pistons championship seasons. He DID average 8 and 9 assists those years but he still got his shots off.

Posted by: mark | June 24, 2008 2:57 PM | Report abuse

"You mentioned kicking the ball out to the wing as if it were a bad thing. I mentioned Nash and Kidd to show precisely that good players, regardless of position attack the rim and pass as necessary. It is a move that players learn and
coaches teach.

But in any case I've already shown how you shift positions, duck and weave when your statements are proven wrong, and try to shift your focus to something different all together.
You said no shooting point guards have led their teams to the championship. Well, Parker and Billups are two in the last 10 years.

You said those two guys have good assist numbers compared to Arenas, well the ESPN ave. assist numbers is the same for all three players: 5.5!
So keep it coming 88er, keep sticking your foot in your mouth.

Posted by: | June 24, 2008 2:42 PM "

It's easy for you to type with your foot firmly already planted in your mouth.

When I say Gilby threw bailout passes to players on the wing, I meant that. What Gilby does is the drives to the basket full bore until he's stopped and then tosses it out because he can't get his shot off.

If you've ever watched Nash's games, you will see that it's designed into the offense, for Nash to beat his man and then intentionally kick out to the open guy.

That's the reason why guys like Nash and Kidd almost double Gilby's assists.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 24, 2008 2:58 PM | Report abuse

"

For a lot of the Bulls championships, even though Kerr, Paxson and BJ Armstrong may have been listed as pg's, they were really spot-up guys who didn't initiate the offense. Though they may have been listed as pg's their role on offense was more like shooting guards. Jordan and Pippen were the main facilitators and were almost always 1 and 2 in assists. I'd count Jordan as a shoot first guard who occasionally played the point. Pippen was listed as a G-F who also played the point a lot and he didn't exactly shy away from shots. Pippen averaged between 18 and 21 ppg during the championship seasons.
I think shoot first guys CAN win. Isiah Thomas led his team in shots attempted as well as scoring during his 2 Pistons championship seasons. He DID average 8 and 9 assists those years but he still got his shots off.

Posted by: mark | June 24, 2008 2:57 PM "

mark, you are so forgetful.

Please note that both MJ and Scottie were on all defensive teams. Also, the Detroit Bad Boys personified defensive toughness.

Who on the Wiz have been bestowed those accolades? None.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 24, 2008 3:01 PM | Report abuse

88, perhaps Gil is actually TRYING to drive and dish and it's not a bailout. It may not be as pretty as Nash but if we can hit an open shot, should be effective. Nash is MUCH better passer and looks to create for others while Gil uses the threat of scoring to try to create shots for his teammates (sometimes). Both can work.

Posted by: mark | June 24, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse

I'm not comparing the defense. No contest. I thought your argument was that score- first pg's can't lead their teams to the championship, not who plays better D. Like a previous poster said, I'd have to be smoking crack to think that Gil plays D lke MJ or Pippen.

Posted by: mark | June 24, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

..same with Isiah. He was not a defensive stopper. Dumars was. Rodman was. He looked to dish first early in his career but but the time they got to the Championships, he was a scorer.

Posted by: mark | June 24, 2008 3:07 PM | Report abuse

MJ:

1x NBA Defensive Player of the Year (1988)

9x NBA All-Defensive First Team Selection (1988-1993, 1996-1998)

Scottie:

8x NBA All-Defensive First Team Selection (1992-1999)

2x NBA All-Defensive Second Team Selection (1991, 2000)

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 24, 2008 3:09 PM | Report abuse

"..same with Isiah. He was not a defensive stopper. Dumars was. Rodman was. He looked to dish first early in his career but but the time they got to the Championships, he was a scorer.

Posted by: mark | June 24, 2008 3:07 PM "

Did I say Isaih was a defensive stopper or did I say the Bad Boys were known for their defensive toughness? I think the latter.

"Also, the Detroit Bad Boys personified defensive toughness.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 24, 2008 3:01 PM "

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 24, 2008 3:11 PM | Report abuse

You may as well give it up mark. You'll never manage to kick that field goal with him moving the goal posts all over the field.

Posted by: kalorama | June 24, 2008 3:12 PM | Report abuse

DC man, Gilbys mom got the address from your daddy in between his smoking the crack pipe. Your daddy decided to share, you no life having ,jealous of Gil prick!

Posted by: Anonymous | June 24, 2008 3:25 PM | Report abuse

There's been some analysis done on the numbers as to the whole pure point guard thing vis a vis combo guards. The findings are interesting, and to the Gilbert lovers or haters, no his numbers are not included because he did not play in enough games last season to be compared to other players. Read and judge for yourselves.
http://ballhype.com/story/ballad_for_the_combo_guard/

Posted by: Anonymous | June 24, 2008 3:32 PM | Report abuse

"DC man, Gilbys mom got the address from your daddy in between his smoking the crack pipe. Your daddy decided to share, you no life having ,jealous of Gil prick!

Posted by: | June 24, 2008 3:25 PM "

Gosh...this was so noncreative.

LMAO!

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 24, 2008 3:37 PM | Report abuse

"You may as well give it up mark. You'll never manage to kick that field goal with him moving the goal posts all over the field.

Posted by: kalorama | June 24, 2008 3:12 PM "

Sorry, there's not enough leg strength regardless...even for you.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 24, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Uh ... yeah. Aside from not being funny or clever, that makes no sense.

So ... business as usual, I guess.

Posted by: kalorama | June 24, 2008 3:54 PM | Report abuse

nads

Posted by: Anonymous | June 24, 2008 4:06 PM | Report abuse

"Uh ... yeah. Aside from not being funny or clever, that makes no sense.

So ... business as usual, I guess.

Posted by: kalorama | June 24, 2008 3:54 PM "

What would you know about making sense? Nothing.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 24, 2008 4:07 PM | Report abuse

To quote a great thinker and philosopher of our time:

"Gosh...this was so noncreative (sic)."

Posted by: kalorama | June 24, 2008 4:19 PM | Report abuse

could u post the article on this page please

Posted by: Anonymous | June 24, 2008 4:22 PM | Report abuse

could u post the article on this page please

Posted by: | June 24, 2008 4:22 PM

From the rules:
1. You agree that you are fully responsible for the content that you post. You will not knowingly post content that violates the copyright, trademark, patent or other intellectual property right of any third party and that you will remove the same should you discover that you have violated this provision.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 24, 2008 4:31 PM | Report abuse

USA Basketball has been nothing but a marketing gimmick since the "Dream Team" Don't be surprised if this team loses again. The problem is the whole notion that a team of NBA stars thrown together for a few weeks is gonna win doesn't work today. That's why the players on the USA tend to resort to indivdual play during these games. I think the best thing to do now is get a team full of Non NBA US players who have been playing overseas put them together and let them actually play as a team for a year. Too bad the greedy shoe companies just want big name players on the team because they could easily pay these guys to play on this team to make up for what the players might lose playing international.

Posted by: Brian | June 24, 2008 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 24, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

"

To quote a great thinker and philosopher of our time:

"Gosh...this was so noncreative (sic)."

Posted by: kalorama | June 24, 2008 4:19 PM "

LOL!

This coming from a dude who said Memphis got exactly what they wanted when they traded Gasol.

Of course, BTH also proved the dude wrong by having a great season and proved his value to the team. EG thinks so.

Gosh!

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 24, 2008 4:39 PM | Report abuse

thry should let add gilbert josh and butler tohe team and josh cud help howard to block and gilbert and butler cud steal and wen them are togethere wuth a steal i sure lebron and kobe well speed down for the fast break.... add gilbert arenas drop wade and caron butler and josh smith

Posted by: Rupert | June 24, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Huh??!!

Posted by: rbpalmer | June 24, 2008 4:46 PM | Report abuse

whoever posted that rule is gay and should be on dupont

Posted by: Anonymous | June 24, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

i.ron.y (n): DC Mann88 bringing up an utterly irrelevant and unrelated topic in response to someone shining a light on his pronounced tendency to bring up utterly irrelevant and unrelated topics to deflect attention whenever someone (frequently) refutes the "point" of his "argument."

Posted by: kalorama | June 24, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

"i.ron.y (n): DC Mann88 bringing up an utterly irrelevant and unrelated topic in response to someone shining a light on his pronounced tendency to bring up utterly irrelevant and unrelated topics to deflect attention whenever someone (frequently) refutes the "point" of his "argument."

Posted by: kalorama | June 24, 2008 4:47 PM "

kalorama is like the abandoned puppy dog of this blog. Instead of talking about the Wiz, the draft, and NBA players, he follows me around even though I continue to kick him in the ribs to shoo him away.

kalorama, go find a heaping mound of poo to eat. You should be able to spot it easily, since you dish it on this blog.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 24, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

"EG thinks so."

hy·poc·ri·sy (n): DC Man citing Ernie Grunfled's (supposed) opinion of a player as proof of said player's worth after spending nearly every waking moment of the last couple of years finding old and uncreative ways to criticize Grunfeld's judgment for even considering giving a max contract to a player DC Man hates.

Posted by: kalorama | June 24, 2008 4:52 PM | Report abuse

"hy·poc·ri·sy (n): DC Man citing Ernie Grunfled's (supposed) opinion of a player as proof of said player's worth after spending nearly every waking moment of the last couple of years finding old and uncreative ways to criticize Grunfeld's judgment for even considering giving a max contract to a player DC Man hates.

Posted by: kalorama | June 24, 2008 4:52 PM "

There he goes again...that stinky mutt, barking between chomps of poo.

EJ wanted BTH off the team two seasons ago. BTH tore his nametag off his locker when the season was over. Everybody said he was a goner.

BTH meet with EG and he stayed. Great move.

BTH had a great season.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 24, 2008 4:56 PM | Report abuse

laugh·able (adj): DC Man88's sadly pathetic attempts to talk bad and act like an Internet tough guy, made even more pathetic by his use of the word "poo."

Posted by: kalorama | June 24, 2008 4:56 PM | Report abuse

"laugh·able (adj): DC Man88's sadly pathetic attempts to talk bad and act like an Internet tough guy, made even more pathetic by his use of the word "poo."

Posted by: kalorama | June 24, 2008 4:56 PM "

Barking dog...poo breath worse than his bite.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 24, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse

flail.ing (v): A perfect description of DC Man's increasing sad attempts to muster a clever rejoinder.

Posted by: kalorama | June 24, 2008 4:59 PM | Report abuse

Any way we can pull off a trade to get Brand on Thursday?

Posted by: Larry | June 24, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse

"flail.ing (v): A perfect description of DC Man's increasing sad attempts to muster a clever rejoinder.

Posted by: kalorama | June 24, 2008 4:59 PM "

You personify that description.

woof!

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 24, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

kalorama is such a pathetic mutt.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 24, 2008 5:02 PM | Report abuse

pro.ject.ing: (v) DC Man's last post.

Posted by: kalorama | June 24, 2008 5:04 PM | Report abuse

whoever posted that rule is gay and should be on dupont

Posted by: | June 24, 2008 4:47 PM

you are posting under those rules right now

Posted by: Anonymous | June 24, 2008 5:26 PM | Report abuse

thanks for the rule clarification jerk off

Posted by: Anonymous | June 24, 2008 5:34 PM | Report abuse

Hilarious: All the post I'm reading here in the ATL. between dcman88,kalorama, and others absolutely LOL.

Posted by: dargregmag@aol.com | June 24, 2008 6:16 PM | Report abuse

LMAO!

kalorama (aka mutt boy) acts like he's upset. Somebody must have spit in his poo poo platter.

So pathetic...

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 24, 2008 7:51 PM | Report abuse

emp.ty(adj): The obvious state of DC Man's comeback tank, as evidenced by starting a post with LMAO in all caps, an obvious desperate attempt to laugh in the face of his own humiliation.

Posted by: kalorama | June 24, 2008 8:22 PM | Report abuse

Of course, BTH also proved the dude wrong by having a great season and proved his value to the team. EG thinks so.

Gosh!

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 24, 2008 4:39 PM


EG Also thinks that Gilbert Arenas is one of the best guards in the NBA - and he is going to offer him a substantial contract on July 1st...

Posted by: Anonymous | June 24, 2008 8:39 PM | Report abuse

DC Man88 - you can't have it both ways.

Either Ernie Grunfeld is a Good GM because he knows talent (ie: he talked BTH into returning... ie: he is going to offer a near max contract to "one of the best guards in the League")

OR

Ernie Grunfeld is a moran (spelling mistake made on purpose) for offering said near max contract to a no account ball hogging guard with a bum knee and a poor playoff record.

Personally, if I had to bet, and if I were a betting man; I'd put my $7,000 on Ernie Grunfeld knowing what he's doing AGAINST you knowing ANYTHING.

Posted by: Rook | June 24, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

Uh oh, here comes some more intelligent, mature and relevant "poo" references.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 24, 2008 8:48 PM | Report abuse

"emp.ty(adj): The obvious state of DC Man's comeback tank, as evidenced by starting a post with LMAO in all caps, an obvious desperate attempt to laugh in the face of his own humiliation.

Posted by: kalorama | June 24, 2008 8:22 PM "

scatorama strikes again!

LMAO!

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 24, 2008 10:25 PM | Report abuse

"EG Also thinks that Gilbert Arenas is one of the best guards in the NBA - and he is going to offer him a substantial contract on July 1st...

Posted by: | June 24, 2008 8:39 PM "

I think Gilby is one of the best shoot first guards in the NBA too.

Do I also think he's a whining drama queen?

Yes.

Do I wish he gets max money?

Yes...on another team!

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 24, 2008 10:27 PM | Report abuse

"DC Man88 - you can't have it both ways.

Either Ernie Grunfeld is a Good GM because he knows talent (ie: he talked BTH into returning... ie: he is going to offer a near max contract to "one of the best guards in the League")

OR

Ernie Grunfeld is a moran (spelling mistake made on purpose) for offering said near max contract to a no account ball hogging guard with a bum knee and a poor playoff record.

Personally, if I had to bet, and if I were a betting man; I'd put my $7,000 on Ernie Grunfeld knowing what he's doing AGAINST you knowing ANYTHING.

Posted by: Rook | June 24, 2008 8:47 PM "

Shocking.

Rookie can make a blog comment without citing bogus stats.

There is hope.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 24, 2008 10:28 PM | Report abuse

"DC Man88 - you can't have it both ways."

Are you kidding? A think outside the box visionary like him would never limit himself to only having it both ways. He wants to have it all ways at all times.

He can praise Grunfeld as a great GM for ... well, for what really? He didn't draft Haywood or sign him, so really he had nothing to do his being here. And, contrary to DC Man's caveman like assertion ("BTH meet with EG and he stayed." Ugh! Fire bad! Arrgh!) it was Eddie Jordan (along with Randy Ayers) who had the meeting with Haywood that got him back on board, not Grunfeld (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/09/28/AR2007092802119.html)) so he really had nothing to do with that either.

But at the same time he's praising Grunfeld for doing, well, nothing ... he can also rip him for signing Arenas to a max deal. Of course the fact that he hasn't actually signed Arenas to a max deal yet ... well, that's just a formality, really. When you're a multidimensional visionary like DC Man, the past, the future, lies, the truth ... they're all just pieces on your cosmic chessboard, to be moved about at your whim, like a grandmaster.

To even suggest that he should be limited to only having it both ways is an insult and an affront. You should be ashamed, Rook.

Ashamed.

Posted by: kalorama | June 24, 2008 10:33 PM | Report abuse

pre.school (adj): The level of insult to which DC Man has retreated, in which he undoubtedly thinks himself infinitely clever and stinging for making fun of someone's fake internet name.

Can a "neener neener poopy head" jab be far behind? Let's wait an see, shall we?

Posted by: kalorama | June 24, 2008 10:38 PM | Report abuse

LOL!

LMAO!

ROFL!

scatorama is out of control!

If it smells like it, if it writes like it, then it's gotta be....the poo smelling mutt boy!

Go pat yourself on the back...you deserve it.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 24, 2008 10:39 PM | Report abuse

Oooohh ... so close.

Posted by: kalorama | June 24, 2008 10:41 PM | Report abuse

"Oooohh ... so close.

Posted by: kalorama | June 24, 2008 10:41 PM "

Did you poo on yourself?

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 24, 2008 10:42 PM | Report abuse

Hey DC Man88, what's your response to Isiah Thomas being a high scoring guard who led his team to a championship? And don't just start bringing up defense, because that wasn't the issue. EVERYONE knows defense wins championships. Also, you mentioned how Gil got cut because he was bad at playing defense and playing team ball, even when he tried. My question is, did you watch the games? My guess is this is just conjecture on your part.

Posted by: babbtong | June 24, 2008 11:57 PM | Report abuse

ballsack

Posted by: Anonymous | June 25, 2008 12:19 AM | Report abuse

This has gone way beyond basketball...

Hurry draft, we need a new data fix.

Posted by: khrabb | June 25, 2008 2:57 AM | Report abuse

IVAN..........HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!

SAVE THIS BLOG PLEASE!

Posted by: Anonymous | June 25, 2008 7:37 AM | Report abuse

"My guess is this is just conjecture on your part.

Posted by: babbtong | June 24, 2008 11:57 PM "

Babythong.

Read what you wrote:

'My guess' is this is your 'conjecture..."

So, you're speculating that I'm speculating....

Get real babythong.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 25, 2008 8:26 AM | Report abuse

In an effort to steer this back to USA basketball;
I don't understand why people would want Tyson over Prince. The international game is much more about movement, efficient shooting and perimeter defense(all of which Prince provides). Not to mention the fact that Prince is 6'9 and can guard anyone on the floor, including European big men who like to float around the arc. Also, its clear that we are going for big men that have the ability to shoot the midrange jumper(much like the Europeans) with the exception of Dwight Howard who is just to much man to leave off the team. Tyson doesn't fit that bill and isn't "special" in any other area of his game to warrant him getting the nod over an outstanding defender with the versatility to defend all five positions.

Ok, hopefully we can stop bickering and talk some United States basketball again, because we've got a real shot at Olympic Gold this year and thats pretty special.

Posted by: jedg | June 25, 2008 9:56 AM | Report abuse

Honestly, there is nothing we can do, now that the roster is final. Yes, adding Gilbert may have hurt the team(as of right now), but we all remember 2 and 3 seasons ago when Gilbert was one of the best PG's in the game. Yes he does have the mentality of "shoot-first, pass-second", but if any of you saw what he did this season, for the games that he did play, he became a facilitator. He is allways going to take shots of course, he's a freakin lights-out shooter with unlimited range. But I think he has realized that he isn't just the whole team himself. He now knows that he has good teammates that he can rely on..and can maybe even in the future, set up his teammates to do the scoring for him.

My point being, he's had a terrible season, due to injury, but once he becomes healthy again, you guys are going to see Agent Zero do his thing like he did in the past season.

Anywho, if I could change up the roster so that Gilbert could fit in it, I would've hands down taken out Redd and replaced him for Arenas. But hey, that's just my opinion..so don't go around sayin Sh** about me..thanks.

Posted by: Agent_Arenas | June 25, 2008 10:16 AM | Report abuse

"Honestly, there is nothing we can do, now that the roster is final. Yes, adding Gilbert may have hurt the team(as of right now), but we all remember 2 and 3 seasons ago when Gilbert was one of the best PG's in the game. Yes he does have the mentality of "shoot-first, pass-second", but if any of you saw what he did this season, for the games that he did play, he became a facilitator. He is allways going to take shots of course, he's a freakin lights-out shooter with unlimited range. But I think he has realized that he isn't just the whole team himself. He now knows that he has good teammates that he can rely on..and can maybe even in the future, set up his teammates to do the scoring for him.

My point being, he's had a terrible season, due to injury, but once he becomes healthy again, you guys are going to see Agent Zero do his thing like he did in the past season.

Anywho, if I could change up the roster so that Gilbert could fit in it, I would've hands down taken out Redd and replaced him for Arenas. But hey, that's just my opinion..so don't go around sayin Sh** about me..thanks.

Posted by: Agent_Arenas | June 25, 2008 10:16 AM "

Did Gilby hire a PR person?

Sure looks like it.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 25, 2008 10:20 AM | Report abuse

"Anywho, if I could change up the roster so that Gilbert could fit in it, I would've hands down taken out Redd and replaced him for Arenas. But hey, that's just my opinion..so don't go around sayin Sh** about me..thanks.

Posted by: Agent_Arenas | June 25, 2008 10:16 AM ""

Gilby, you are busy "rehabbing" your knee on a beach while Redd played 72 games this past season.

So how do you plan on contributing if you were switched up with Redd? Doing the team's laundry?

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 25, 2008 10:29 AM | Report abuse

This blog if funny as hell. I've been out for a while and when I come back, you guys have taken it to a whole new level.

hi·lar·i·ty Pronunciation[[hi-lar-i-tee, -lair-, hahy-](adjective)

1. What ensues when 88 bumps heads with Kal and Rook.


Posted by: mark | June 25, 2008 11:49 AM | Report abuse

mark, could you drop some humor right now and predict again that the Wiz will be a finals team next season?

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 25, 2008 12:27 PM | Report abuse

I would have taken Chandler instead of Deron Williams for insurance, or better yet, talked Garnett into playing again. But I think they'll do okay. They don't have a bunch of seven footers on the roster, but they're big at both backcourt spots and at the 3. Kobe and Kidd are pretty tough defenders who put a lot of pressure on ballhanders, so I don't see them getting picked apart on backdoors and high screen and rolls like in 2004, even if LBJ and Mello don't hold up their end on D. Also, they've got five starters who all are excellent rebounders, so expect Kidd to get them out there attacking in transition a lot, which will neutralize the effectiveness of the zone D that the international teams have used effectively against them in the past.

Posted by: John Brisker | June 26, 2008 8:25 AM | Report abuse

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