Wiz workouts, finals thoughts

The Wizards worked out guard Jamont Gordon (Miss St.) and guard George Hill of IUPUI today. Gordon, who averaged 17.4 points per game last season, could have withdrawn his name and returned to school but elected to remain in the draft even though he's not guaranteed to go in the first round. He may not have helped himself by skipping the Orlando pre-draft camp either though other guys were said to have hurt themselves by attending.
What is a guy to do?

A breakdown on Gordon is provided here:

Hill also decided to remain in the draft despite having no first-round guarantees. A 6-2 combo guard, Hill performed well in Orlando and has turned some heads during the workout process.

A write-up on Hill per the Indy Star:

My favorite thing about Hill is that he went to a school called IUPUI. What an awkward name. Couldn't they name that place after Indianapolis native Kurt Vonnegut or something?

A few thoughts on the Finals:
-When the Celtics put the finishing touches on that win last night, my phone started lighting up with texts and calls from buddies back home in Minneapolis. Folks there were celebrating as hard as anyone because Kevin Garnett remains a respected figure. Next to Kirby Puckett, he's the most beloved Minnesota athlete to come along in decades.
He always played his butt off, stayed out of trouble, never complained about Kevin McHale's stumbling and bumbling and remained loyal to the T-Wolves. If anyone deserved a ring, it was that guy. The funny thing? The jukebox in the watering hole I was at kicked out Prince and 1999 as KG and the C's celebrated. Fitting.

-A text message from my buddy Matt, a hardcore C's and Red Sox fan here in DC, summed it all up: "Thank you for KG and David Ortiz. From the bottom of my heart. No insult intended." The state of Minny welcomes you Matt. Now, if Adrian Peterson (Purple Jesus) ever wears a Patriots uniform, I'm taking a header off of the Key Bridge.

-It's official: Kobe Bryant is NOT Michael Jordan. Would MJ have ever gone out like that? Ever? No.

-A word of advice to young would-be sports scribes: don't ever compare teams/athletes/coaches/fans etc. to the crazy guy with the goofy 'stache.

By Ivan Carter |  June 18, 2008; 2:22 PM ET
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"A word of advice to young would-be sports scribes: don't ever compare teams/athletes/coaches/fans etc. to the crazy guy with the goofy 'stache."

Yeah, that's bad. :(

One thing about basketball that can happen in no other sport: this past season shows that you can make one or two trades DURING the season and win it all like the Celtics, or make one or two trades and kill your team like the Suns.

Also, defense wins championships. I watched nearly every game that was televised and in every case defense won the series. The Lakers dominated SA defensively, but they didn't look anywhere close to the team that played the C's.

Whatever the Wiz do, I'll still be cheering them on but if they come out with that run and gun crap next year they are gonna get bounced again in the first round.

And as much as I have championed Gil on these boards, I hope they don't give him a max deal and strap the team.

Sorry Gil. :(

- Ray

Posted by: Ray | June 18, 2008 3:19 PM

Running Thibodeau out of town was definitely a good idea.

Posted by: EJ | June 18, 2008 3:23 PM

Running Thibodeau out of town was definitely a good idea.

Posted by: EJ | June 18, 2008 3:23 PM

I hope Gilby gets max money, as long as it's not with the Wiz.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 18, 2008 3:28 PM

Let's heap some praise on Tom T. He backed out of a deal with the Wizards and now has a ring on his finger.

Talk about winning Russian Roulette with 5 bullets in the 6 shooter.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 18, 2008 3:30 PM

Let's heap some praise on Tom T. He backed out of a deal with the Wizards and now has a ring on his finger.

Talk about winning Russian Roulette with 5 bullets in the 6 shooter.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 18, 2008 3:30 PM
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Then again, when the five bullets in the chambers are Calbert Cheaney, LaBradford Smith, Tom Hammonds, Kenny Green, & Anthony Jones, it's easy for anybody to dodge...

Posted by: CN | June 18, 2008 3:42 PM

The Celtics didn't make any significant trades during the season. Garnett, Allen, House, and Posey were all acquired in the offseason. Rondo, Perkins, Powe were already there. The only in-season deals they made were to sign Cassell and Brown very late in the season, but they weren't trades. They didn't have to give up anything to get those guys (and they didn't play a whole lot in the regular season or early in the playoffs), so it didn't really shake up their chemistry or rotation. A big difference from Phoenix tradi9ng one of their starters for Shaq.

Posted by: kalorama | June 18, 2008 3:44 PM

Man, I sure do like not getting stabbed. The South Side Nancies told me that if the C's lost, my days was numbered.

Posted by: Prison Balls | June 18, 2008 3:59 PM

Speaking of which ...

Some sportswriter made a good point recently, saying it was ridiculous for people to question Pierce's toughness and whether he was faking when he hurt his knee in game one, considering the guy got stabbed 11 times a couple of months before the start of the 200 season and went on to play the whole 82 games.

Posted by: kalorama | June 18, 2008 4:12 PM

Anyone think that if the Wiz had landed Thibodeaux and Posey last offseason (and Gilbert and Etan had come back healthy) that they would be kissing the trophy right now?

Makes you think. How far away are the Wiz from that trophy?

Posted by: Good2BOK | June 18, 2008 4:25 PM

Running Thibodeau out of town was definitely a good idea.

Posted by: EJ | June 18, 2008 3:23 PM

It was my impression that HE was the one who got cold feet and asked the Wizards to release him from his contract, which they did. The "why" was never made clear, but you have to like how it turned out for him. And Ayres didn't work out too badly for the Wizards, either, as the team did improve markedly on defense. Re: the Jemele Hill flap, doesn't anyone over at ESPN.com read what goes out before it's posted? If so, it seems like he or she should take some heat as well.

Posted by: rbpalmer | June 18, 2008 4:33 PM

Just curious, how do people say that: Yoo-Pooy? and how do people cheer I wonder?

Posted by: rgz | June 18, 2008 4:34 PM

"Anyone think that if the Wiz had landed Thibodeaux and Posey last offseason (and Gilbert and Etan had come back healthy) that they would be kissing the trophy right now?"

No.

"Makes you think. How far away are the Wiz from that trophy?

Very far.

Thibodeaux wouldn't have had the same effect here because he wouldn't have had the same players here.

Posted by: kalorama | June 18, 2008 4:40 PM

Anyone think that if the Wiz had landed Thibodeaux and Posey last offseason (and Gilbert and Etan had come back healthy) that they would be kissing the trophy right now?
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Posted by: Good2BOK | June 18, 2008 4:25 PM

I don't, mainly because the Wizards don't rebound well enough, especially defensively. The Wizards give up too many second chance points, and that's a big difference between them and the C's. We don't have anyone like KG to pound the boards.

Posted by: rbpalmer | June 18, 2008 4:42 PM

"We don't have anyone like KG to pound the boards.

Posted by: rbpalmer | June 18, 2008 4:42 PM "

KG averaged 9.2 boards this past season (1.9, 7.3), but AJ averaged 10.2 boards (2.7,7.5).

Difference is that KG is a better defender and has a post/inside game, whereas AJ's inside game is when he drives and does the dipsy doos.

KG averaged 1.25 blocks/game, while AJ averaged .39 blocks/game.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 18, 2008 4:50 PM

I don't, mainly because the Wizards don't rebound well enough, especially defensively. The Wizards give up too many second chance points, and that's a big difference between them and the C's. We don't have anyone like KG to pound the boards.

Posted by: rbpalmer | June 18, 2008 4:42 PM

I agree. KG is a beast. But Antawn put up better RPG (and PPG) numbers during the regular season. Caron neutralized Pierce in the games they played during the season. And I would take a healthy Gilbert Arenas over Ray Allen any day of the week, even though I am not necessarily a Gilbert lover. (When the question was tossed out on this blog before the season, I STRONGLY supported trading Gil for Kobe--even though we all knew it would never happen.)

I don't want to get too carried away, but it's hard to know just where the Wiz are if Gil and Etan aren't hurt. Maybe Thibodeau would have been able to teach defense to Wiz, maybe not. But does the Celtics victory somehow validate Ernie's approach?

Posted by: Good2BOK | June 18, 2008 4:53 PM

You can't really take anything from the Celtics winning a title and apply it to the Wizards. Aside from being anchored by two All-Star forwards and an All-Star guard, the two teams really don't have much in common, in terms of makeup and style.

Posted by: kalorama | June 18, 2008 4:57 PM

a little bit more in line with Kalorama's answer.
Thibodeau surely would have compared the two teams. I speculate he came away thinking all the Wizards play soft, while the Celtics had half of the team already bought into the defense concept - particularly KG.
On the Wiz, he probably thought results would be further away with players like Jamison, Arenas, Young, Pecherov, Daniels... both softer and slower on defense. Of course that is pure speculation on my part.

Posted by: rgz | June 18, 2008 4:58 PM

I guess I was thinking the 3-star approach (which Ernie tried earlier in Milwaukee) versus the 2-star approach (90s bulls, 00s Lakers, Heat). Guess it's not that simple. You gotta admit, though, Ernie had the right guy in Thibodeau. (Yes, the C's have better defensive players, but the system and the coach have to count for something.)

Maybe the Wiz will look at the C's commitment on the defensive end, realize that they have the athleticism to play defense, and get serious about D next year. While I was watching other, more successful, teams during the playoffs, I could not help but to think that the Wiz just weren't serious enough about winning a chammpionship. They just don't mean business (all the time). Too happy-go-lucky probably.

More personality = fewer championships?

Posted by: Good2BOK | June 18, 2008 5:13 PM

Eddie Jordan said after Thibodeau left, "We talked and came to some agreements, but the next morning he decided to [leave the team]." We never found out what "those agreements" were, because our local press never bothered to ask Eddie follow-up questions. It was such a strange phrase -- "came to some agreements" -- that I've always wondered what went down between EJ and TT.

By the way, someone at realgm or bulletsforever did an analysis showing that the Wizards barely improved on defense this year.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 18, 2008 5:17 PM

Here is the exact quote (from a piece by Ivan):

He decided to have a change of heart," Jordan said. "He is going back to Houston and he's going to pursue other options. He was here for a few days, we came to some agreements and then we had a meeting with him this morning. We thought he was terrific here going through some things but he decided to go in another direction."

Posted by: Anonymous | June 18, 2008 5:40 PM

"Yes, the C's have better defensive players, but the system and the coach have to count for something."

It does, but only to the extent that there players buy into the system and are willing and able to execute it. The Wizards don't have the kind of personnel the Celtics do to play the kind of defense they do.

Posted by: kalorama | June 18, 2008 6:00 PM

Happy for Doc Rivers he deserves it, along with KG and the rest of the crew.Tom T would not have made a difference.that being said the Wiz beat the C's three out of four after the national tv embarrasment to open the nba season.Roughly about ten days before the draft hopefully EG does the smart thing and drafts Hibbert if he's available I think Gilbert comes to his senses and signs a reasonable contract.

Posted by: DARGREGMAG@AOL.COM | June 18, 2008 6:15 PM

Comcast sports station is showing "The Best of the Wizards". Last night's game was against the Celtics, tonite at 7:00pm - the N. Orleans Hornets.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 18, 2008 6:49 PM

have to agree with kal here...the celtics have way better defensive talent than the wiz. even if everyone on the wiz had the same defensive intensity as the celtics, we don't have defensive talent the likes of pierce and kg.

no coach is going to turn this team into a very good defensive team without changing some of the personnel. we can add all the defensive minded bench players we want, too, but until we change some of the starting five, our defense won't improve much.

stevenson and haywood are the obvious choices, cuz neither is one of the "big three," but maybe one of our big three should be moved to get a guy in return who not only can play good defense, but also will/inspire/energize the rest of the team to play solid defense consistently.

who's out there and possibly available that fits that description?

Posted by: JC | June 18, 2008 7:11 PM

I hope we draft Beasley. he went to kansas state but is very good. if you have not seen him play, i suggest you check him out. if he is around when we pick, we better grab him

Posted by: jose | June 18, 2008 7:43 PM

"stevenson and haywood are the obvious choices, cuz neither is one of the "big three," but maybe one of our big three should be moved to get a guy in return who not only can play good defense, but also will/inspire/energize the rest of the team to play solid defense consistently.

who's out there and possibly available that fits that description?

Posted by: JC | June 18, 2008 7:11 PM "

First of all, BTH is a solid defensive option at the 5.

Secondly, one guy that could be available who's a great defensive player with offensive skills is Josh Smith.

If EG wants him, he'll have to pay a price, but I think he's worth it.

Another great defensive player with offensive ability is AK-47, but he's probably too expensive at about 13 mil.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 18, 2008 9:18 PM

"I hope we draft Beasley. he went to kansas state but is very good. if you have not seen him play, i suggest you check him out. if he is around when we pick, we better grab him

Posted by: jose | June 18, 2008 7:43 PM "

I hope this is a joke, if you're saying "we" as in the Wiz.

Beasley is slated to go 1 or 2. Wiz have the 18th pick.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 18, 2008 9:19 PM

Wizards should draft a "Dwight Howard" type of player. We need a player like him who can dominate the inside!

Posted by: Anonymous | June 18, 2008 9:50 PM

Pierce and Allen averaged less than 36 minutes a game and KG less than 33. KG and Allen were injured but given sufficient time off to recover. If EJ were coaching, that never would have happened and the Beantown Big 3 would have been in the infirmary and the team would have been 1 and out in the playoffs.

But, then again, according to Washington folklore, KG and Allen weren't available, so if the Wiz senior management were in Boston with EJ, they would have never picked KG and Allen up anyway.

For those with a short memory, the Wiz beat the Celtics back-to-back without Gilbert. The talent level isn't as far apart as the Wiz nation would like to believe.

And for those Wiz fanatics, why the heck would you care about the 18th pick. We've already got two young 7 footers and two great athletes -- all under 22 with some NBA experience -- and they won't play much.

Any coach other than EJ would really have to work hard to go 500 and 1 and out next year with the talent on this team. Only Isiah would be guaranteed to do worse. I guess that means he's on the Wiz drawing board if things get too good during the season.

After that, the Wiz should hire Kalorama to coach in the playoffs. We'd have the answer to everything, except the answers wouldn't relate to anything happening in the real world.

Posted by: Izman | June 18, 2008 10:40 PM

Would that be the same real world where the Celtics had the best defense in the NBA while the Wizards routinely held layup lines for opposing guards? Or the same real world where the Celtics won a title by demolishing the Lakers in historic fashion while the same Wiz who beat the Celtics three times in the regular season lost in the first round?

You are and remain, not very bright.

Posted by: kalorama | June 18, 2008 11:21 PM

#18 - Roy Hibbert
#47 - Sean Singletary


Excerpt from DraftExpress.com:

"Could use help at: Point Guard, Forward/Center, Overall Depth

A local player they may wind up looking at is Roy Hibbert, who provides a nice scoring presence on the low block and would be a quality backup behind Brendan Haywood from day one... With their second-round pick, Ernie Grunfeld may be able to add depth to the Washington backcourt."

Excerpt from Realgm.com

"Greatest Areas of Improvement:

Beef in the Middle
The Wizards got a solid season out of their starting center Brendan Haywood and a very productive one out of their youthful big Andray Blatche. However, they are lacking in interior toughness and could use a big body to help deter opponents from attacking the rim. Since Jamison loves to shoot from the outside, adding a low post threat couldn't hurt either.

Depth at the Point
While many argue that Arenas is not a true point guard - which he isn't - and since the team began to play better in the postseason with Arenas on the bench and Antonio Daniels or Roger Mason running the show, perhaps it is time the Wizards look to get a point guard who is more willing to set up his teammates than himself."

Posted by: Darnell | June 19, 2008 12:03 AM

You haters might not agree with me now, but you will later, this beasley guy is very good. sure hope we can get him. he would be good next to haywood. i'm keeping my fingers crossed.

Posted by: jose | June 19, 2008 12:15 AM

"First of all, BTH is a solid defensive option at the 5."

dcman,

he is a solid defensive option....i never said he wasn't. but he is not the type to inspire the entire team to play better defense. he is not leader on or off the court.

josh smith would be a great fit. i just don't believe that atlanta would want to part with him. ak-47 is great defensive player, but not sure how much he can raise his teammates up.

other defensive possibilities out there are okafor, brand, marion, iguodala, hey even artest. not sure if any of them are attainable by the wizards either...

Posted by: JC | June 19, 2008 12:58 AM

http://hoopshype.com/

Back to Spain?
"Grizzlies guard Juan Carlos Navarro has reached an agreement with FC Barcelona, according to RAC1. Tomorrow could be announced the agreement & confirm that 'LaBomba' is leaving the NBA after playing one season with the Grizzlies"

I guess keeping D. Stevenson and trading Navarro prior to this past season was a wise move after all. If kept Navarro & let D. Stevenson walk, Wiz would now start the new season with neither. What does this say about the Wiz GM?

Posted by: wizzfanno#1 | June 19, 2008 2:00 AM

"I guess keeping D. Stevenson and trading Navarro prior to this past season was a wise move after all. If kept Navarro & let D. Stevenson walk, Wiz would now start the new season with neither. What does this say about the Wiz GM?

Posted by: wizzfanno#1 | June 19, 2008 2:00 AM "

Puhleaze.

JCN leaving memphis to return to Spain says absolutely nothing about him also returning to Spain had he played for the Wiz.

Remember, Memphis is cleaning house, franchise probably going to be sold, and they got rid of his boy Gasol. Those are good reasons for him to leave for some more stability back home.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 19, 2008 7:15 AM

"dcman,

he is a solid defensive option....i never said he wasn't. but he is not the type to inspire the entire team to play better defense. he is not leader on or off the court.

Posted by: JC | June 19, 2008 12:58 AM "

BTH was a huge inspiration last season.

He showed that with hard work, tenacity, and dedication, you can make your coach look like a fool for giving up on you.

BTH, if he was just collecting a paycheck, would be content with sitting on the bench and being a backup to someone like ET.

BTH has said all along that given the chance, he can produce. And, if given some touches, he can score too.

He had a great season last year, and hopefully, he will continue to be leaned on to produce at the 5.

The Wiz have more worries at the 4 and 1 and 2 before the 5.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 19, 2008 7:19 AM

"You haters might not agree with me now, but you will later, this beasley guy is very good. sure hope we can get him. he would be good next to haywood. i'm keeping my fingers crossed.

Posted by: jose | June 19, 2008 12:15 AM "

You haters may not agree with me, but that CP3 guy is really good. I'm sure we can trade him for GWiz.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 19, 2008 7:21 AM

jose, beasley is pick one or two. Wizards are picking at #18. There is no hope in hell he will fall that far. If you don't understand how the draft works, watch it on TV June 26.

As for Navarro, no one in the NBA is going to pay him the money he wants which is $5M. He played for Memphis for a pittance on the promise he would get more the following year. FC Barcelona merely sweetened the offer. They probably will forgive the $2M+ buyout he was supposed to pay for leaving for Memphis. With the sinking US dollar, watch more Euro players opt to stay in Europe. Watch more NBA players go to Europe for that matter.
http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2008/jun/19/navarro-follows-money-to-spain/

Posted by: rgz | June 19, 2008 7:56 AM

"BTH was a huge inspiration last season.

He showed that with hard work, tenacity, and dedication, you can make your coach look like a fool for giving up on you.

BTH, if he was just collecting a paycheck, would be content with sitting on the bench and being a backup to someone like ET.

BTH has said all along that given the chance, he can produce. And, if given some touches, he can score too.

He had a great season last year, and hopefully, he will continue to be leaned on to produce at the 5.

The Wiz have more worries at the 4 and 1 and 2 before the 5.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 19, 2008 7:19 AM "

I agree Brendan picked it up this season and has become a reliable C, but there's a difference between playing inspired ball and inspiring others. If last season is any indication, Brendan didn't inspire anyone. The only people who really improved their game defensively is Butler and Jamison. This whole hoopla about the Wiz increasing their team D isn't really accurate. Take the celtics-wizards games this past season. Butler had some stops on Pierce, who sometimes plays point-forward for the C's, and all of a sudden people were saying the Wiz were some defensive-minded team? Rondo has really developed as a point...if they played now, I'm willing to bet the outcome of the game would be another story entirely.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 19, 2008 8:04 AM

"Puhleaze.

JCN leaving memphis to return to Spain says absolutely nothing about him also returning to Spain had he played for the Wiz.

Remember, Memphis is cleaning house, franchise probably going to be sold, and they got rid of his boy Gasol. Those are good reasons for him to leave for some more stability back home.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 19, 2008 7:15 AM "

He left for the money, not for those reasons.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 19, 2008 8:06 AM

"He left for the money, not for those reasons.

Posted by: | June 19, 2008 8:06 AM "

Money is very important, obviously, but I think if he was playing with Gasol on a winning team, in a big market city, with steady PT, he probably wouldn't have left.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 19, 2008 8:22 AM

"Anyone think that if the Wiz had landed Thibodeaux and Posey last offseason (and Gilbert and Etan had come back healthy) that they would be kissing the trophy right now?

Makes you think. How far away are the Wiz from that trophy?"


HAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHA....No it doesn't make you think. Those guys would make us better but the wiz need a lot more than that if they want to win a ring. With Eddie Jordan as coach and Gilly at PG there will never be a championship trophy in DC.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 19, 2008 9:19 AM

From Draftexpress this morning:

"Memphis' additional first round selection, the #28 pick, acquired from the Lakers in the Pau Gasol trade, is also reportedly in play. Rumors have the Grizzlies potentially trading this pick to Denver along with Kyle Lowry in exchange for the #20 pick. It's possible that they would try and leap-frog the Orlando Magic and select Courtney Lee, who reportedly had a terrific workout there last week.

Other picks that we're hearing rumors about include #6 (New York, trying to move up, or back), #19 (Cleveland, possibly to move up and take Brandon Rush), and #29 (Detroit, who supposedly isn't enamored by anyone in this area). Two teams that are reportedly looking to acquire an additional first round pick are the Spurs (who unfortunately have very little to offer) and the Suns. The Wizards wouldn't mind moving out if someone would offer them a good deal involving a point guard, but at this point that doesn't seem likely to happen. Cleveland is trying to buy their way into the mid-first round, but unlike in years past, it won't be Phoenix that is selling."


That would suggest the Wizards could trade the 18th pick for Lowry and the 28th pick. Interesting, too, that Courtney Lee is viewed that highly -- perhaps at option at 18 also.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 19, 2008 9:52 AM

I didn't know Gilbert played healthy at point guard for more than 1/3rd of the season last year. His play last year is why they didn't show well? I prefer to look at it being his lack of health that the wiz didn't have a better record/playoff seeding and playoff matchup/performance.

By the way, Thibodeaux did what Posey, Cassell, and PJ Brown did, they all hopped on the bandwagon. It is easy to look good when you have the write product.

Posted by: G-Man | June 19, 2008 9:55 AM

18th and olesky for 28th and lowry

then trade daniels somewhere

Posted by: jojo | June 19, 2008 10:39 AM

G-man your analysis is spot on... Tom T, Posey, PJ and Sam I Am all saw that, with the Celtics "Big 3" in place and exuding confidence, they could potentially help put these stars over the top and gain a piece of the glory...

Sice Tom T was the first of these folks to take the leap, this would clearly imply that he believed that the Wizards' own "Big 3" needed more substantial help than he could provide.

Consider also that the Lakers doomed themselves against Boston by continuing to start Radmanovic -- who is a very reasonable bench player and can be a game changer when his shot is on -- when a much more consistent all-around player was needed to start at the 3 (how can anyone have expected the Lakers to win with Vlad matched against Pierce?).

That is the same issue I have with DeShawn Stevenson as a starter at the 2 for the Wizards. In a league where other teams can throw people at you like Kobe Bryant, Ray Allen, Dwayne Wade, Joe Johnson, Allen Iverson, Rip Hamilton, Manu Ginobili, Tracy MacGrady, Andre Iguadola, Jason Richardson... even Jamal Crawford and Ben Gordon, to say nothing of Vince Carter (when he cares) ... you cannot expect to compete seriously with a starter like DeShawn, athough he could be a very good stopper and streak 3-point shooter off the bench.

We are not the only decent team with this issue. The Raptors parted with Morris Peterson, but could only come up with Anthony Parker. The Hornets picked up Peterson, but kept his time to around 20 minutes a game and gave more time to Pargo, which still does not suffice. Utah has a void at this slot as well. Phoenix sank for a number of reasons but one of them has to bet that Raja Bell and Leandro Barbosa should be one player.

To contend seriously, the Wizards need a much more productive 2-guard. It is a big question as to whether Nick Young can make the major strides needed to take over as the starter over this summer and even next. Yet that is exactly what he needs to do if the Wizards are to take advantage of their current Big 3 while they remain in their collective primes.

If we cannot wait for Young, then we should trade him and Blatche (and risk having either or both of them come back to haunt us) and a draft choice for an established if tarnished player like Josh Howard or Ron Artest...

Like many of the regulars and semi-regulars on this site, I believe the Wizards are tanatlizingly close to being a real threat to win in the playoffs without seriously altering the present cast. But even with a great draft, and that has to be seen in relative terms when your choices are 18 and 47, we need one more horse now.

EG has come up with some great "steals" in past trades, now he needs to do it one more time.

Posted by: khrabb | June 19, 2008 10:39 AM

"That would suggest the Wizards could trade the 18th pick for Lowry and the 28th pick. Interesting, too, that Courtney Lee is viewed that highly -- perhaps at option at 18 also."

And, as always, you can't trade a pick for a player. The Wizards would have to include a player on a comparable contract as Lowry, meaning a rookie first round deal. The only candidates are Young and Pecherov. They won't trade Young without getting a SG back in case Mason leaves as a FA (which he most likely will). And there's no reason the Grizzlies would want Pech.

Posted by: kalorama | June 19, 2008 10:42 AM

I think Hill is an ATROCIOUS columnist and even worse on television. I never understood why Jim Rome let her fill in for him. Maybe it's because she's actually worse than he is, and he's pretty bad himself.

Posted by: Colin | June 19, 2008 10:44 AM

The Wiz have more worries at the 4 and 1 and 2 before the 5.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 19, 2008 7:19 AM "

Really? Jamison worries you more than BTH? Even if you think Jamison is a 3, then when he's moved there Butler also moves to the 2 - and then that position is set. It's not so much a position that needs to be worried about, it's the upgrade of a player(s).

After watching these playoffs and this season, it's clear to me that what truly is missing is a natural born leader - someone who inspires his teammates to play the way the game should be played. Essentially, this team is missing a Kevin Garnett. Not KG talent-wise, but KG intensity and intangible-wise.

Paul Pierce was branded just as selfish and just as egotistic as GA once. Skillwise, he's not much different than Caron Butler - he has a little more range, but other than that they almost seem like clones out there. And Ray Allen is nowhere near as good as a healthy Arenas. He choked BIG-TIME in the middle of these playoffs, and if he was on the wizards doing that, he would be crucified. Offensively, Jamison is better than Garnett. Defensively, they're nowhere near the same realm, but offensively I'd give the edge to Jamison.

The true difference between the Celtics and Wizards was KG's mentality. He instilled into every player on the court the intangibles of how to be a team. Pierce may have been the leader in the playoffs, but KG is the one who set the tone from day 1 in the beginning of the season. He inspired Pierce and Allen to defer to each other when the moment called for it. 3 years ago, Pierce would never have done that. That mentality filtered down to every player on the court and bench, from Rajon Rondo to PJ Brown to Eddie House. They all understood, accepted, and were happy with their roles on the team - however diminished they became. And when the time came and they were called upon, they delivered.

What the Wizards need is either to bring in someone with that type of leadership, or for someone to step up and demand that type of perfection from his teammates - (my hope would be Butler). Of course that's MUCH easier said than done. That type of mentality doesn't come around very often. And it may actually be unique to KG in today's NBA. But here's to hoping, cuz that's about all we can do right now.

Posted by: psps23 | June 19, 2008 10:47 AM

It's interesting how Seattle is willing to trade Wilcox in order to get the #2 pick to take Beasley. Why would they want another forward when they already have Durant and Greene?

Also, looks like Miami will be interested in trading Haslem if they can get Beasley. Although Haslem has almost double double numbers, he's way too short and not that athletic for us at the 4.

Also, rumors have Artest opting out after all.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 19, 2008 10:47 AM

dcman

durant starts at the 2

Posted by: jojo | June 19, 2008 10:51 AM

"Really? Jamison worries you more than BTH? Even if you think Jamison is a 3, then when he's moved there Butler also moves to the 2 - and then that position is set. It's not so much a position that needs to be worried about, it's the upgrade of a player(s).

Posted by: psps23 | June 19, 2008 10:47 AM "

Who do you have replacing AJ at the 4 right now?

As I've said many times before, it was glaringly obvious that the Wiz are lacking post offense and defense at the 4.

AJ had great numbers, but we've been one and done 3 years in a row with him healthy at that spot.

I've always said AJ should come off the bench as the 6th man and lead the 2nd team. Right now, there is no consistent scorer coming off the bench that scares any team.

I don't think Caron is quick enough to guard most 2's in this league, so moving him there is not as good as keeping him at the 3. AJ also is not quick enough to guard anyone at the 3.

BTH holds up well to almost any Center in the East. I think he did pretty well against DHoward, and KG couldn't dominate with BTH on him.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 19, 2008 10:52 AM

"dcman

durant starts at the 2

Posted by: jojo | June 19, 2008 10:51 AM "

That is hilarious, but once he fills out, he won't be a 2 anymore.

He's listed as a SF though.

Even still, if they get Beasley, who's a PF, where will they put Greene, who's also a PF?

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 19, 2008 10:55 AM

Green started at SF with some combo of Johan Petro/Kurt Thomas/Francisco Elson (prior to the trade) at C and Collison/Wilcox at PF.

Posted by: kalorama | June 19, 2008 11:01 AM

Green started at SF with some combo of Johan Petro/Kurt Thomas (prior to the trade)/Francisco Elson at C and Collison/Wilcox at PF.

Posted by: kalorama | June 19, 2008 11:02 AM

I don't think Caron is quick enough to guard most 2's in this league, so moving him there is not as good as keeping him at the 3.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 19, 2008 10:52 AM

I think Caron would be fine for most 2's. The truly undersized and REALLY quick 2s he may struggle against (like Iverson - but Iverson makes any 2 struggle), but IMO he's just as quick as Pierce - who manhandled Kobe this series. There's no reason for me to believe that Butler couldn't do it too. Most of his defensive deficiencies come when he gets overpowered by bigger forwards, not because of quickness issues.

Posted by: psps23 | June 19, 2008 11:02 AM

Green and Durant are both natural SFs but Durant hasn't filled out yet, so he's playing the 2. Perhaps Seattle wants a bunch of forwards like Atlanta has done for years?

Posted by: Anonymous | June 19, 2008 11:05 AM

if for some reason this Beasley guy is not around when we pick, i've got my eye on a kid named OJ Mayo. this guy would not be a bad backup plan if someone snatches up Beasley before us. Mayo is a good all around player. Rumors of character issues, but nothing major. If you have not seen him play, look him up, pretty impressive player.

Posted by: jose | June 19, 2008 11:16 AM

jose, are you a miami fan? or do you have inside info about some miracle trade to get us in the top 3 picks? Neither of those two will be there when we pick...

Posted by: psps23 | June 19, 2008 11:22 AM

I don't think Caron is quick enough to guard most 2's in this league, so moving him there is not as good as keeping him at the 3.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 19, 2008 10:52 AM

I think Caron would be fine for most 2's. The truly undersized and REALLY quick 2s he may struggle against (like Iverson - but Iverson makes any 2 struggle), but IMO he's just as quick as Pierce - who manhandled Kobe this series. There's no reason for me to believe that Butler couldn't do it too. Most of his defensive deficiencies come when he gets overpowered by bigger forwards, not because of quickness issues.

Posted by: psps23 | June 19, 2008 11:02 AM

That's why I liked getting Rush so much - he's much like Butler with maybe a better defender, better shooting range, and a bit better athleticism. They can easily switch matchups on the 2/3 positions depending on the opponent.

I have to say that as good an offensive 4 man Jamison is, he's just not good enough on the defensive side for a true contender. We may have matched up well with Boston this season and beat them, but in other playoff matchups, it's the total opposite - we don't matchup well and lose and a lot of that is on the defensive side. As a 4 man, protecting the paint with the 5 man is as important as rebounding the ball, moreso in the playoffs. Scoring and passing are important but still secondary to the other two. We need to give Blatche (if he works hard for it and puts in weight room work too) more PT to play the 4. Maybe split time evenly with Jamison this year.

Changes like that would lessen Jamison's wear and help eliminate those times where all Jamison does is play ole' and does one of his little swipes at the player slashing into the paint. Rush can provide the defense similar to DS with better size and also can be a better offensive player too - pretty much as a rookie too.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 19, 2008 11:24 AM

I guess that's why there are reports Rush is definitely moving up in the draft. [sigh] EG's gonna have to do some maneuvering if he wants a shot at Rush. Darrell Arthur could be a good all around 4 but he's a little averse to rebounding...

Posted by: Anonymous | June 19, 2008 11:30 AM

"And there's no reason the Grizzlies would want Pech."

as a player no, but if all they are looking for is a salary that matches and a contract that's expiring after this upcoming season, then he fits.

kleiza, is a solid bench player, but considering this team is in complete rebuilding mode, and possibly looking to trade miller and their 5th for beasley, i don't see them wanting to sign a guy for midrange money next year to come of the bench. assuming they are able to trade for beasley, they are going to have an extremely young team, in an extremely talented conference.

Posted by: JC | June 19, 2008 11:33 AM

The Suns are open to moving Barbosa, who makes $6,100,000, "to move up in the draft or secure another veteran." Daniels makes $6,200,000. Daniels has two more years on his deal, Barbosa has four.

Isn't this a no-brainer for both teams? The Wizards like to play uptempo, can use a combo guard like Barbosa, who is maybe the fastest player in the league. With Shaq and a more disciplined/slower offense, Daniels could be a great backup point guard for the Suns.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 19, 2008 11:38 AM

No brainer for the Suns more than the Wiz. The reason why the Suns have always tried to get a backup PG is because Barbosa almost has no PG skills to speak of. He's a great offensive player like Gil but he's much worse at passing the ball and not much better defending. The Wiz like Daniels for his smart play and leadership skills to compensate for Gil's free-lancing. Gil and Barbosa are too like minded to of balance.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 19, 2008 11:45 AM

"as a player no, but if all they are looking for is a salary that matches and a contract that's expiring after this upcoming season, then he fits."

Pecherov's salary doesn't expire after the coming season. Even though he was drafted in 2006, this is the first year of his NBA contract. He's got two more years guaranteed + an option year. Lowry was drafted and signed to an NBA deal in 2006. His contract expires a year earlier than Pecherov's.

Posted by: kalorama | June 19, 2008 11:47 AM

Barbosa would be a great addition to the Wiz bench. I've been banging the drum for a stone cold bench scorer for a while. But not at the expense of their one real backup PG.

Posted by: kalorama | June 19, 2008 11:58 AM

"BTH was a huge inspiration last season

like someone else said, he played well last season, but he certainly didn't inspire the rest of the team to play better defense.


"BTH has said all along that given the chance, he can produce. And, if given some touches, he can score too.

in the 04-05 season, brendan played similar minutes and had similar production. in fact, in seasons when he played less minutes, his per minute production was better. there could be numerous reasons for that. perhaps his conditioning doesn't allow him to play as actively for those extra 5 minutes. or it could be that when he was splitting time at center with thomas, he got more playing time against the opposing teams bench, allowing him to be more effective.

hard to tell. i do think he played more confident and under control this year, and clearly his freethow shooting improved greatly. but he is still a role player. he doesn't make other players around him any better really.


"As I've said many times before, it was glaringly obvious that the Wiz are lacking post offense and defense at the 4."

this is true, however, post offense is missing from both the 4 and 5, really. jamison is a tough player to replace since he's not a traditional 4. he moves around the court well, and can make shots from so many different spots that he allows our offense to be pretty flexible. and by bringing his defensive man outside more, that creates a lot more space for butler and his slashing and arenas and his driving. no to mention it gives haywood more space to operate and not have to worry as much about a weakside blocker coming in. that being said, would i take josh smith over jamison at this point in each of their respective careers? probably so (assuming brand is fully recovered). but those guys are hard to get. i think we have a better chance at improving our 5 spot with the 18th pick, than improving our 4 spot via trade.

also, i think our bench at the 4 spot is better off than at the 5. blatche is solid off the bench, and has shown that when he plays real minutes because of another player's injury, he puts up good numbers. at the 5 spot, we really have no one else other than haywood, even when thomas was healthy. thomas is just too small at the 5, and doesn't have enough skill or athleticism to make up for it.

Posted by: JC | June 19, 2008 12:04 PM

jose ,please go directly to draftexpress.com, read & absorb all the lists, charts, reports and commentaries. then come back and post your suggestion how to get the #2 and #3 picks at #18.
on the other hand if those posts are your attempt at comedy you failed.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 19, 2008 12:23 PM

jose is just on crack, what is there more to it?

Posted by: Anonymous | June 19, 2008 12:33 PM

"in the 04-05 season, brendan played similar minutes and had similar production. in fact, in seasons when he played less minutes, his per minute production was better. there could be numerous reasons for that. perhaps his conditioning doesn't allow him to play as actively for those extra 5 minutes. or it could be that when he was splitting time at center with thomas, he got more playing time against the opposing teams bench, allowing him to be more effective."

If you look at the stats, as you pointed out in 04-05, BTH improved on them with slightly more average PT.

The most glaring improvement by BTH this past season is his FT shooting. He's no liability on the charity stripe like some centers we know.

Don't be mislead by the minutes he plays. He only took 7.5 shots/game this past season, but averaged over 10 points. He's shot over .500 in every year of his career with the Wiz except for his first season.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/stats?playerId=1000

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 19, 2008 12:50 PM

Barbosa is the last thing we need. That man is overrated beyond belief. He put up 0 in multiple playoff games this year. He has no ability what so ever except scoring and thats not what we need. Why would we trade basically the only pass 1st player on our team for another scorer with no passing ability or Defensive ability....that would be a terrible terrible trade.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 19, 2008 12:50 PM

Does anyone know what our record was in the 24 games that caron missed last season?

Posted by: Anonymous | June 19, 2008 1:02 PM

I don't know the record but you need to take into account that BOTH Caron and Gilbert were out in those games. Not that you would, but people have said in the past that the wiz had a good record with Arenas out but when Caron went out, they had a terrible record. Caron going out added to the problem of Arenas being out.

Posted by: G-Man | June 19, 2008 1:06 PM

I personally dont care about Gilbert and don't want him back on this team so I don't include him in the situation. I just want to know the record when caron was out. We had a good record without arenas even with caron missing 24 games. Imagine if Caron played the whole season we would have been the 4 seed even without Gilbert. Knowing this information I don't understand how anyone in their right mind wouldn't want to explore other options. The best move is to move Gilbert in a sign and trade and add to what this team was doing last year. The days of Gilbert playing 1 on 5 need to go last year was good basketball unlike any year gilly was running the show.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 19, 2008 1:14 PM

So I will ask once again does anyone know our record last season for the 24 games caron missed?

G-man....we have a winning record with gilbert out of the lineup. Dont know what we were this year without caron but before this year we were something like 1-10 without him. Caron and jamison are more important to this team than Gilly.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 19, 2008 1:21 PM

The days of Gilbert playing 1 on 5 need to go last year was good basketball unlike any year gilly was running the show.

Posted by: | June 19, 2008 1:14 PM

Yet somehow we weren't any better than we were with Gil. Interesting how our "good basketball" translated into zero improvement...

Posted by: psps23 | June 19, 2008 1:22 PM

Someone said

"G-man....we have a winning record with gilbert out of the lineup. Dont know what we were this year without caron but before this year we were something like 1-10 without him. Caron and jamison are more important to this team than Gilly."

What was the wiz record when Caron was out but Gilbert and Jamison played? Or was that same 1-10 record when Caron was out, Gilbert out as well?


Posted by: G-Man | June 19, 2008 1:31 PM

The wizards were better when Gilbert was healthy and running the show. Wasn't that when Eddie Jordan coached the east all-stars?

Posted by: Anonymous | June 19, 2008 1:33 PM

So if you were to trade Gilbert for another PG (sign and trade), who would you want and who would reasonably be available? Billups? Fisher? Hopefully no second tier guards who can't distribute the ball, are too slow and can't shoot either.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 19, 2008 1:36 PM

"The wizards were better when Gilbert was healthy and running the show. Wasn't that when Eddie Jordan coached the east all-stars?

Posted by: | June 19, 2008 1:33 PM "

Really, and how did the "were better" translate to playoff success?

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 19, 2008 1:37 PM

"Yet somehow we weren't any better than we were with Gil. Interesting how our "good basketball" translated into zero improvement...

Posted by: psps23 | June 19, 2008 1:22 PM "

Not the same.

With Gilby, you had 3 all stars playing on the team.

Without Gilby, you had 2 all stars playing on the team coupled with a gaping hole of no ROI on the 12 million.

Results? The same.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 19, 2008 1:40 PM

"I personally dont care about Gilbert and don't want him back on this team so I don't include him in the situation. I just want to know the record when caron was out. We had a good record without arenas even with caron missing 24 games. Imagine if Caron played the whole season we would have been the 4 seed even without Gilbert. Knowing this information I don't understand how anyone in their right mind wouldn't want to explore other options. The best move is to move Gilbert in a sign and trade and add to what this team was doing last year. The days of Gilbert playing 1 on 5 need to go last year was good basketball unlike any year gilly was running the show.

Posted by: | June 19, 2008 1:14 PM "

Two seasons ago, after the all star game and when Caron first hurt his back and then broke his hand, the team went into a downward spiral.

That bad back was caused by an 8 hour delay on the play stuck on the runway. The broken hand was when he went for a block and hit his hand against the backboard.

Just this past season, the Wiz, without Gilby, was playing well above .500 ball until Caron went out again with his hip injury. They managed to hover around .500 until Caron came back, and Caron's return propelled the Wiz toward a 5th place finish.

Caron is obviously the key to this team, with or without Gilby in the lineup.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 19, 2008 1:44 PM

OK all you Ernie Grunfeld second guessers.
You can keep arguing about the past with the benefit of hindsight.

Now please suggest who you would want as PG instead of Arenas assuming we can do a sign and trade for someone whom we can reasonably expect to be made available. In other words, a reasonable expectation of a successful trade, not just wishful thinking. Explain how the deal would get done, and speculate on the improvement overall of the team's cohesion & dynamics next season, on defense and on points scored.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 19, 2008 1:51 PM

If I was to put money on it, and Gil and Caron were reversed last season (Gil was healthy, Caron missed most of the season), I would say Arenas would've carried this team to a similar record. There's very little doubt in my mind about that. It would've been a different style played, but similar results.

Until you can point out what tangible upgrade you get from Arenas, or where the saved money is going, there's no point in arguing this. Caron has clearly played the best basketball of his career the last two years, and these two years Gilbert has been hurt. When they were both healthy, they were #1 in the East. To say the Wizards are better without Arenas is illegitimate because we don't actually know how a healthy Gil would play with the new improved supporting cast around him.

Posted by: psps23 | June 19, 2008 1:57 PM

DC Man88

"Really, and how did the "were better" translate to playoff success?"

When Caron and Gilbert didn't play against Cleveland the season before last in the playoffs,they were swept. When both were hobbled or not playing last season during the playoffs, they lost in 6.

I feel that if they had been healthy, and with the remarkable improvement of Haywood, the big improvement of RMason, the baby steps improvement of Blatche, that they indeed would have proven to be a better team. Etan was out as well.

One thing the Celtics, Pistons, Cavs, and Magic had was a WHOLE lot better health than the Wizards. To judge the wizards based on that is unfair.

To get rid of Gilbert, that is fine. But don't only blame a less than 70% healthy player for lack of success. Blame the team!


Posted by: G-Man | June 19, 2008 2:03 PM

DC Man88 said:

"Two seasons ago, after the all star game and when Caron first hurt his back and then broke his hand, the team went into a downward spiral."

When did Jamison go out for a while with his injury that year? Wasn't that shortly after the all-star break as well? You being the expert, was Jamison out and Butler hurting his back affecting the same games?

Posted by: G-Man | June 19, 2008 2:08 PM

"When did Jamison go out for a while with his injury that year? Wasn't that shortly after the all-star break as well? You being the expert, was Jamison out and Butler hurting his back affecting the same games?

Posted by: G-Man | June 19, 2008 2:08 PM "

No, I don't believe so.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 19, 2008 2:20 PM

"When Caron and Gilbert didn't play against Cleveland the season before last in the playoffs,they were swept. When both were hobbled or not playing last season during the playoffs, they lost in 6.

I feel that if they had been healthy, and with the remarkable improvement of Haywood, the big improvement of RMason, the baby steps improvement of Blatche, that they indeed would have proven to be a better team. Etan was out as well.

One thing the Celtics, Pistons, Cavs, and Magic had was a WHOLE lot better health than the Wizards. To judge the wizards based on that is unfair.

To get rid of Gilbert, that is fine. But don't only blame a less than 70% healthy player for lack of success. Blame the team!


Posted by: G-Man | June 19, 2008 2:03 PM "

And what about 3 seasons ago when both played and Gilby lost the game when he choked on those 3 free throws? Series ended in 6 games.

Two seasons ago, Caron was out early, and then Gilby hurt his knee. Before Gilby hurt his knee, and was still playing, they lost like 2/3 of their last 30 games. They were on a downward spiral. Gilby also played in the all star game and shooting contest even though he had a dislocated clavicle. After the all star game, he couldn't hit the side of a barn.

When a team loses, you don't blame the team. You blame the highest paid players on the team that didn't step up. After all that, you then fire the coach.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 19, 2008 2:26 PM

Trust me, its easier to play well when everyone is healthy. This whole we suck with this guy or we are better with this one is so childish. Health and Cohesion is the key to any team's success. The big three, healthy, are dominant forces in the east, just pray for health.

Posted by: Burg w/ a U | June 19, 2008 2:30 PM

"If I was to put money on it, and Gil and Caron were reversed last season (Gil was healthy, Caron missed most of the season), I would say Arenas would've carried this team to a similar record. There's very little doubt in my mind about that. It would've been a different style played, but similar results.

Until you can point out what tangible upgrade you get from Arenas, or where the saved money is going, there's no point in arguing this. Caron has clearly played the best basketball of his career the last two years, and these two years Gilbert has been hurt. When they were both healthy, they were #1 in the East. To say the Wizards are better without Arenas is illegitimate because we don't actually know how a healthy Gil would play with the new improved supporting cast around him.

Posted by: psps23 | June 19, 2008 1:57 PM "

That's really just your guess.

What we have seen with Caron out though, as in the 2nd half of 2 seasons ago, Gilby couldn't do it. The Wiz were lucky to make the playoffs because there were no more games to lose.

The Wiz went from #1 in the east at all star break, to barely being #7 in the playoffs. I would call that a monumental collapse.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/standings?season=2007

BTW, it's an insult to Caron and AJ to call them the "supporting cast" to Gilby.

Gilby bragged last season that he's not a selfish guard because he's got two teammates as all stars. Then, people bragged on this blog that Gilby's presence on the court has made Caron and AJ that much better.

Guess what?

Both Caron and AJ made the all star team last year WITHOUT Gilby. And, AJ ended up with 21 - 10 numbers while Caron discovered a deadly 3 point shot and at one point, hit about 70 FT's in a row.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 19, 2008 2:31 PM

"Trust me, its easier to play well when everyone is healthy. This whole we suck with this guy or we are better with this one is so childish. Health and Cohesion is the key to any team's success. The big three, healthy, are dominant forces in the east, just pray for health.

Posted by: Burg w/ a U | June 19, 2008 2:30 PM "

Really?

If there's so much cohesion, then why do we constantly hear that the team is always standing and watching what Gilby does with the ball before acting?

It's because people don't know what the heck Gilby is going to do because he commands the ball so much and thus unfortunately dictates what others can do offensively. Is he going to shoot a 30 pt bomb so they have to run back on D, or is he going to drive so they have to go get the board?

That's not what a real point guard does. A real point guard runs the offense and makes sure people get the best shot.

I heard a quote from CP3 during the playoffs and it was incredible. He said his main goal was to get his teammates off first and he'll feed off them. That's why they ended up with a great season.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 19, 2008 2:36 PM

"Now please suggest who you would want as PG instead of Arenas assuming we can do a sign and trade for someone whom we can reasonably expect to be made available. In other words, a reasonable expectation of a successful trade, not just wishful thinking. Explain how the deal would get done, and speculate on the improvement overall of the team's cohesion & dynamics next season, on defense and on points scored.

Posted by: | June 19, 2008 1:51 PM "

Calderon or Devin Harris.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 19, 2008 2:39 PM

DC Man88 saidL

"Both Caron and AJ made the all star team last year WITHOUT Gilby. And, AJ ended up with 21 - 10 numbers while Caron discovered a deadly 3 point shot and at one point, hit about 70 FT's in a row."

What does that have to do with a hill of beans? The truth be told, Caron and Antawn were playing to that level the year only Gil and Caron made the all-star team. Everyone knew that Antawn deserved to go that year TOO. I guess by your silly rationale, Brendan Haywood being a better free throw shooter than in the past was because Gilbert was out. Funny thing is, what you said was why the team would have been better if Gilbert was healthy.

DC Man88 also said "What we have seen with Caron out though, as in the 2nd half of 2 seasons ago, Gilby couldn't do it. The Wiz were lucky to make the playoffs because there were no more games to lose."

Did Gilbert play in those last games of the season you are talking about?

Your ignorance is so becoming of you.

Posted by: G-Man | June 19, 2008 2:48 PM

What we have seen with Caron out though, as in the 2nd half of 2 seasons ago, Gilby couldn't do it. The Wiz were lucky to make the playoffs because there were no more games to lose.

The Wiz went from #1 in the east at all star break, to barely being #7 in the playoffs. I would call that a monumental collapse.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 19, 2008 2:31 PM

Arenas went down and the Wiz dropped 7 of 9 games to end the season. Had he been playing, they wouldn't have dropped to #7 in the East.

And I was referring to the total supporting cast improvement, not just Caron and AJ.

Caron discovered a deadly 3-point shot and became a premier free-throw shooter. Are you saying those will disappear as soon as Arenas steps on the court? I don't doubt that Arenas' absence helped out the other guys on the team improve by forcing them to step up. I DO doubt that re-inserting his presence will cause those same guys to regress. Adding a healthy Arenas improves an already improved squad.

Posted by: psps23 | June 19, 2008 2:55 PM

"Arenas went down and the Wiz dropped 7 of 9 games to end the season. Had he been playing, they wouldn't have dropped to #7 in the East.

And I was referring to the total supporting cast improvement, not just Caron and AJ.

Caron discovered a deadly 3-point shot and became a premier free-throw shooter. Are you saying those will disappear as soon as Arenas steps on the court? I don't doubt that Arenas' absence helped out the other guys on the team improve by forcing them to step up. I DO doubt that re-inserting his presence will cause those same guys to regress. Adding a healthy Arenas improves an already improved squad.

Posted by: psps23 | June 19, 2008 2:55 PM "

I guess chemistry doesn't matter much to you....nevermind Gilby's 21 shots/game that will come out of everyone else's pocket.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 19, 2008 3:04 PM

"What does that have to do with a hill of beans? The truth be told, Caron and Antawn were playing to that level the year only Gil and Caron made the all-star team. Everyone knew that Antawn deserved to go that year TOO. I guess by your silly rationale, Brendan Haywood being a better free throw shooter than in the past was because Gilbert was out. Funny thing is, what you said was why the team would have been better if Gilbert was healthy.

DC Man88 also said "What we have seen with Caron out though, as in the 2nd half of 2 seasons ago, Gilby couldn't do it. The Wiz were lucky to make the playoffs because there were no more games to lose."

Did Gilbert play in those last games of the season you are talking about?

Your ignorance is so becoming of you.

Posted by: G-Man | June 19, 2008 2:48 PM "

I seriously think you have a reading comprehension problem.

As I said before and have to repeat again, Gilby said last season that he's not a ballhog and contributed to Caron and AJ's success as all stars.

Other people on this blog said that Gilby has made Caron and AJ that much better, which resulted in them becoming all stars.

This past season, because Gilby was out, the theory that he made Caron and AJ better was debunked because they were all stars even though Gilby missed most of the season. Both elevated their games too.

Also, as you failed to read again, as I wrote, the Wiz lost like 2/3 of their final 30 games. Gilby could not hit the side of the barn after the all star game because he didn't heal up his dislocated clavicle and probably reinjured it during the all star game where he predicted he would be MVP, and then he also lost the 3 point shootout, which throws a guy's shooting stroke off. Gilby's injury actually bailed him out of the pain from the end of the season.

After the all star game, Gilby's doctor snapped his clavicle back into place and Gilby declared himself pain free and healed, but still, couldn't hit the side of a barn.

Of course, you conveniently and ignorantly forgot all that.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 19, 2008 3:10 PM

"Are you saying those will disappear as soon as Arenas steps on the court?"

Yuck, I gotta agree with this and some of my other friends who watch the Wiz agree as well.

Caron gets more shots when Gil is not on the floor, plain and simple. When Gil plays it's been documented that Gil has the "green light" from Jordan and it definately affects Caron. Jamison will always be Jamison, he's not so affected. It's not a surprise that Caron plays at an All-Star caliber because he's asked to when Gils not in there.

My argument for getting a Baron Davis type player is that when Daniels played PG, everyone else excelled on the floor(offensively and defensively). Gil is not a natural PG, he is a SG.

Personally speaking I would love the Wiz to make just two additions this offseason.

1) Get Baron Davis
2) Get Chris Duhon

Of course I would love to have them get Jamison back, and this would mean Gil going elsewhere. But I think having those two on the team could be enough for them to overtake both C's in the East.

I could care less about this upcoming draft because lets face it, until Young dropped in thier laps last year EG has not done the best of jobs getting guys in here that way.

Come on EG, you can do it!

- Ray

Posted by: Ray | June 19, 2008 3:13 PM

LMAO!

Gilby was such a nonfactor last season that he's not even listed on the roster.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/teams/roster?team=was

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 19, 2008 3:17 PM

Gilbert saying he is not a ball hog is similarly to you saying that you aren't...nevermind. That is worthless. The fact is when healthy Gil, Antawn, and Butler(before Butler, Hughes) were the highest scoring TRIO in the league, with Gilbert scoring the most. With Gilbert, Hughes and Butler made the allstar team. The team averaged a high enough points per game. Does it really matter how they score points? In years past, I would not past Brendan, Etan, Ruffin, or Jeffries the ball either. PERIOD. That would be doing the opposition a favor. Brendan has improved this year and no longer looks like he is shooting with his eyes closed so I would give him the ball some now. No problem. But the real problem is not offense, it is defense. Now the defense improved last year, I give you that. Was that because Gil played sparingly? Could be. But that too is not exclusively his fault.

Posted by: G-Man | June 19, 2008 3:20 PM

"Gilbert saying he is not a ball hog is similarly to you saying that you aren't...nevermind. That is worthless. The fact is when healthy Gil, Antawn, and Butler(before Butler, Hughes) were the highest scoring TRIO in the league, with Gilbert scoring the most. With Gilbert, Hughes and Butler made the allstar team. The team averaged a high enough points per game. Does it really matter how they score points? In years past, I would not past Brendan, Etan, Ruffin, or Jeffries the ball either. PERIOD. That would be doing the opposition a favor. Brendan has improved this year and no longer looks like he is shooting with his eyes closed so I would give him the ball some now. No problem. But the real problem is not offense, it is defense. Now the defense improved last year, I give you that. Was that because Gil played sparingly? Could be. But that too is not exclusively his fault.

Posted by: G-Man | June 19, 2008 3:20 PM "

It absolutely makes no sense for the Wiz to pay Gilby anything near max money when the results are basically the same with or without him in the lineup. In fact, the team as a whole looked much more cohesive offensively and defensively.

Also, factor in the issue with his knee and whether or not it is healed and whether or not it has done permanent damage to his game.

BTW, I guarantee you that Tiger Woods won't be calling up Gilby to borrow his parachute for his rehab.

LMAO!

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 19, 2008 3:27 PM

"LMAO!

Gilby was such a nonfactor last season that he's not even listed on the roster.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/teams/roster?team=was

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 19, 2008 3:17 PM "

Apparently, he has been a nonfactor every year, because he's not listed for 2003-2008.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 19, 2008 3:37 PM

Wizards management needs to realize that Caron Butler needs to be the leader of this team. As shown by KG, a team takes on the mentality of its leader. Caron provides the toughness, scoring, play making, and defense that Paul Pierce does for Boston. As long as Agent Zero is with the Wiz, he will be the team's identity, the focus of the offense and Caron will take a back seat to him.

Wiz should do a sign and trade of Arenas where they get a true PG who plays D and the bigman they need. Stevenson should come off the bench to provide energy and as a spot up 3-point shooter. Nick Young would be a better option as a starter if he gets stronger and learns to play D . EG has some serious work to do this summer to make the Wiz more than a playoff team.

Posted by: wizfan89 | June 19, 2008 4:06 PM

I guess chemistry doesn't matter much to you....nevermind Gilby's 21 shots/game that will come out of everyone else's pocket.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 19, 2008 3:04 PM

Chemistry is relative and subjective. Kobe was a chemistry-killer too, until both he and the rest of the Lakers tweaked their games to fit each other. I said it before, Gil isn't (or wasn't the couple seasons before) the problem... the problem is coaching and leadership. A leader to hold everybody accountable, and a coach who can devise something better than the worst defensive gameplan of all-time (hack-a-lebron).

Posted by: psps23 | June 19, 2008 4:07 PM

Defensive gameplan against the Cavs- we should have used full court pressure. Their PGs are suspect and Wally doesn't have the handles of a true 2-guard. Bringing the ball up against pressure would have tired LeBron out.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 19, 2008 4:18 PM

Now please suggest who you would want as PG instead of Arenas assuming we can do a sign and trade for someone whom we can reasonably expect to be made available. In other words, a reasonable expectation of a successful trade, not just wishful thinking. Explain how the deal would get done, and speculate on the improvement overall of the team's cohesion & dynamics next season, on defense and on points scored.

Posted by: | June 19, 2008 1:51 PM "

Calderon or Devin Harris.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 19, 2008 2:39 PM

Typical DC Man88 post.

Half an answer.

Specific. HOW do you acquire Calderon or Devin Harris. Which player(s), draft picks, or other assets do you give up to get Calderon or Harris...

Otherwise, your post of "Calderon or Devin Harris" is just wishful thinking - AND only half an answer.

Posted by: Rook | June 19, 2008 4:24 PM

"Wizards management needs to realize that Caron Butler needs to be the leader of this team. "

Management can't dictate which players will be leaders. That's something that develops among the players themselves.

Posted by: kalorama | June 19, 2008 4:26 PM

Look - I can be DC Man88:

Abe Polin is a Cheapskate.
Ted Leonsis would not be afraid to go over the Luxury Tax.

The Wizards should just release Arenas - he stinks, and he's hurting the team.

Then we should sign Sun Ming Ming; and get Jason Kidd to run the Offense; and then pick up that Howard guy in Orlando - he would be an upgrade over Haywood.

Let's get Brand too. And AK47 because he plays defense; and let's get Calderon... and Devin Harris.... and lastly, Kobe Bryant for Shooting Guard... cuz Stevenson sucks and they should just release him.

Posted by: Rook | June 19, 2008 4:30 PM

"Chemistry is relative and subjective. Kobe was a chemistry-killer too, until both he and the rest of the Lakers tweaked their games to fit each other. I said it before, Gil isn't (or wasn't the couple seasons before) the problem... the problem is coaching and leadership. A leader to hold everybody accountable, and a coach who can devise something better than the worst defensive gameplan of all-time (hack-a-lebron).

Posted by: psps23 | June 19, 2008 4:07 PM "

I hope you're not trying to compare EJ with Phil Jackson and how they are able to get players focused and mold them into a team.

EJ surely isn't. Case in point BTH and ET. Also, EJ's loose leash on Gilby and how Gilby openly flaunts his disregard for respecting the coach is not forgotten by the players.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 19, 2008 4:32 PM

Oh and by the way - did I mention that one of my posts made it into the Washington Post paper?

I'm a star... because I fantasize about Arenas - and I just want him gone...

I don't care about any long term ramifications of losing a top 5 scorer. Or the consequences of empty seats at the VC -(Hey, it's not MY money)..

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 19, 2008 4:33 PM

Wiz get Calderon (8mil/year) + Jamario Moon

Toronto gets Nick Young + AB + DSong

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 19, 2008 4:36 PM

"Oh and by the way - did I mention that one of my posts made it into the Washington Post paper?

I'm a star... because I fantasize about Arenas - and I just want him gone...

I don't care about any long term ramifications of losing a top 5 scorer. Or the consequences of empty seats at the VC -(Hey, it's not MY money)..

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 19, 2008 4:33 PM "

Not today tough, imposter.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 19, 2008 4:37 PM

The Raptors aren't trading Calderon. It's been reported in a number of places that they plan on re-signing Calderon and are trying to move TJ Ford.

Posted by: kalorama | June 19, 2008 4:42 PM

Wiz get Calderon (8mil/year) + Jamario Moon

Toronto gets Nick Young + AB + DSong

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 19, 2008 4:36 PM

So Toronto will give up their starting PG and an exciting young SF that ended up 5th in Rookie of the Year voting...

FOR
an Erratic Shooting Guard (Young) that can't play defense,

another PF (Blatche) of which they already have 5 ( Chris Bosh, Jorge Garbajosa, Andrea Bargnani, Kris Humphries, Maceo Baston ),

and yet ANOTHER PF (Songaila)?????

First you want to fill the Wizards roster with PF's, now you want to do the same thing with Toronto?

NO way Toronto does that deal!!!

AND THAT'S WHY YOUR POSTS SO VERY RARELY MAKE ANY SENSE!!! You fail to look at the entire picture.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 19, 2008 4:52 PM

I hope you're not trying to compare EJ with Phil Jackson and how they are able to get players focused and mold them into a team.

EJ surely isn't. Case in point BTH and ET. Also, EJ's loose leash on Gilby and how Gilby openly flaunts his disregard for respecting the coach is not forgotten by the players.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 19, 2008 4:32 PM

I used to vouch for EJ, but not anymore. Not after this last playoff performance. If a choice has to be made between Gil and EJ, I'll choose Gil every day of the week and twice on sunday.

Posted by: psps23 | June 19, 2008 4:59 PM

"AND THAT'S WHY YOUR POSTS SO VERY RARELY MAKE ANY SENSE!!! You fail to look at the entire picture.

Posted by: | June 19, 2008 4:52 PM "

LMAO!

Get a grip. Many players and names are tossed around come trade and draft time and none of that materializes either.

I think most bloggers here are just here to interject with an opinion about players and who to get.

In the end, it doesn't matter b/c we're not calling the shots, as no one here "sees the big picture" b/c their arse isn't privy to the inside details, negotiations, nor are their arse on the line if something goes wrong.

Toronto may or may not keep Calderon. Who knows? What I do know is that if EG wants him, then he should step up and be prepared to pay more than fair market value for him.

It's a risk that teams who want to win take, especially if they have a need or hole to fill on their team. But, those who are content with status quo, hoping and praying for health in the future, and by keeping the same cast of characters who haven't done anything in the playoffs the past 3 years, well that'll sure make for a lot of excitement come playoffs next season.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 19, 2008 7:26 PM

An unproven, 1-dimensional rookie scorer, an aging backup PG, and an overpaid, undersized backup PF is hardly "more than fair market value" for a young up-and-coming, starting PG with the potential to be among the top 10 at the position.

Posted by: kalorama | June 19, 2008 8:26 PM

EDIT:

My bad, I misread "AB" as "AD." A better deal, but still not nearly good enough. Even if Blatche fulfills his potential (a huge if at this point) it's damned unlikely he'll be anywhere near as impactful as a lead guard who, in his third NBA season, was a +42% 3 pt shooter and had a +5.5/1 ATO ratio.

Posted by: kalorama | June 19, 2008 8:32 PM

Not to mention, that if the Raptors were stupid enough to do that trade, Blatche would be fighting for playing time on a team with seven ( COUNT EM - 7 ) PF's

Posted by: Rook | June 19, 2008 8:39 PM

"An unproven, 1-dimensional rookie scorer, an aging backup PG, and an overpaid, undersized backup PF is hardly "more than fair market value" for a young up-and-coming, starting PG with the potential to be among the top 10 at the position.

Posted by: kalorama | June 19, 2008 8:26 PM "

I think you read things too literally.

I proposed a few names that would possibly work number wise. What I meant after that is if EG really wants Calderon, then he might have to overpay.

Meaning, he might have to chip in the 18th pick.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 19, 2008 10:15 PM

"

Not to mention, that if the Raptors were stupid enough to do that trade, Blatche would be fighting for playing time on a team with seven ( COUNT EM - 7 ) PF's

Posted by: Rook | June 19, 2008 8:39 PM "

Who cares how many PF's the Raptors have? Is the 2008-09 trade deadline upon us?

Meaning, with the horses that they will have, they have what others may want too. There's no telling how many other trades can happen.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 19, 2008 10:32 PM

"I think you read things too literally."

I read what people write. You wrote:

"Wiz get Calderon (8mil/year) + Jamario Moon

Toronto gets Nick Young + AB + DSong"

That's a bad deal for Toronto.

Posted by: kalorama | June 19, 2008 10:55 PM

"Meaning, he might have to chip in the 18th pick."

YEah, because getting the 18th pick really tips the scales in Toronto's favor.

Posted by: kalorama | June 19, 2008 10:57 PM

"YEah, because getting the 18th pick really tips the scales in Toronto's favor.

Posted by: kalorama | June 19, 2008 10:57 PM "

Calderon scored 11.2 pts with 8.3 assists last season. His career average is 8.7 and 6.1

Jamario Moon is a 28 year old rookie who scored 8.5 and had 6.2 rebs.

Let's not make it seem like I'm asking for Chris Paul and Kevin Durant caliber players for AB, NY, DSong, and the 18th pick, because I'm not.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 19, 2008 11:29 PM

And, once again, you cloud the issue by bringing up names that have jack all to do with the topic at hand. Durant? Yeah, okay. Sure. Whatever.

In a league in which PG play is becoming increasingly key to playoff success, Calderon is a top 10 player at the position. In only his 3rd year he was 5th in the NBA in APG, and 5th in ATO ratio at 5.4/1. Those are outstanding numbers for a PG, esp. one in his first year as the primary starter. His scoring is irrelevant because he's not a scoring guard. But given that he shot 43% from 3 pt range and 52% overall, he could easily be a big time scorer if that was his mindset. But it's not. He's a playmaker, one of the best in the NBA. GMs who want to keep their jobs don't give up players like that unless they get something comparable in return. Blatche, Young, Songaila and the 18th pick don't come close to qualifying.

Posted by: kalorama | June 20, 2008 12:08 AM

To put it in simple terms that even you can understand, you don't give up a top 10 caliber starting PG for three nonstarters and a pick that won't get you a starter.

Posted by: kalorama | June 20, 2008 12:14 AM

Oh yeah...it's definitely a great deal for both Toronto and the Wiz to make this trade. It helps both teams especially since Toronto can get a little more toughness inside with DSong.

It's a good situation for both teams, especially since they're probably stuck with TJ Ford at 8+ mil who no one wants and now Calderon wants the same salary and to start.

Obviously a guy like you wouldn't understand because as always, you're with zero ideas because status quo, standing back and lobbing criticism, and drafting Hibbert has been the steady boring tune that you've been beating off to forever.

Hopefully the "top 10 caliber starting PG" and Jamario Moon, if they stay in Toronto, will be able to do better next season compared to this season where they finished 6th place in the East and then were beaten by Orlando 4-1 in the playoffs.

OH boy, these two are certainly UNTOUCHABLE as they stepped up big time!

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/teams/schedule?team=tor

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 20, 2008 12:43 AM

When the Wizards re-sign Arenas only to torture DC Man88, maybe then he will find another team to follow. Then he can go away and blog somewhere else

Posted by: Anonymous | June 20, 2008 8:00 AM

"If I was to put money on it, and Gil and Caron were reversed last season (Gil was healthy, Caron missed most of the season), I would say Arenas would've carried this team to a similar record. There's very little doubt in my mind about that. It would've been a different style played, but similar results."


Thats hilarious....we would have been fighting for the 8 seed with the hawks if caron was out for the season. Look up the wiz record without caron since he joined the team. Then think about it then post a new comment that makes sense

Posted by: Anonymous | June 20, 2008 9:19 AM

Effects of injuries to CB vs GA on the W-L record speaks at least as much to the relative quality of Arvis/DMac/Blatche vs AD as it does to the relative quality of CB vs GA.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 20, 2008 9:36 AM

"When the Wizards re-sign Arenas only to torture DC Man88, maybe then he will find another team to follow. Then he can go away and blog somewhere else

Posted by: | June 20, 2008 8:00 AM "

Not likely.

If Gilby gets resigned here, all the bloggers here will be tortured.

LMAO!

As I've said before, to disprove people's theory that I hate Gilby, I want Gilby to get all the max money he can get. Just not with the Wiz.

Wiz need to look in a different direction. This team did well without him last season. Yes Gilby, I'm judging it based on what I saw the entire season, as you requested.

I think if the Wiz can get rid of Gilby for Brand via a sign and trade, convince AJ to come off the bench, and then somehow get Calderon or Devin Harris, this will be a very potent team.

kalorama is poo poo'ing the Calderon trade proposal probably because I didn't include BTH as the bait. I think Toronto would take that trade for Calderon if they got BTH b/c BTH would give them a solid defender/starter at the 5. BTH is too valuable for us at the 5 though, but if EG is convinced that he can get Hibbert at 18, he might make that proposal for Calderon.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 20, 2008 10:07 AM

Just curious, how do people say that: Yoo-Pooy? and how do people cheer I wonder?

Posted by: rgz | June 18, 2008 4:34 PM

It's even worse than that: Ooo-ee-Poo-ee

Posted by: Southwester | June 20, 2008 11:39 AM

Thibodeau did a great job during the regular season and the finals. I wonder how much of Kobe's non-dominance had to do with the Celtics regular tough defense or possibly some slight tinkering of the defense due to Thibodeau's intimate insight of Kobe's thinking and weaknesses since Thibodeau has tutored Kobe from a young age and Kobe acknowledged that Thibodeau had an "unfair advantage" because of that. Sort of like Jon Gruden of the Bucs making adjustments from intimately knowing the Raider's offense schemes and their strengths and weaknesses. When Kobe spoke about 'the unfair advantages' he tried to make it sound like he was kidding, but in reality he meant it.

Posted by: jjames | June 20, 2008 12:14 PM

Don't know if you read these, but Vonnegut actually made a joke about IUPUI in his final speech ever given (April 2007) in Indianapolis. I thought it was very interesting that you made that comment.

The speech can be found in "Armageddon in Retrospect." His son delivered it, as Vonnegut himself had died a few days earlier.

Posted by: David from Annandale | June 20, 2008 12:27 PM

The wizards need a tough, athletic, rebounder and shot blocker so at #18 the best prospect will be Robin Lopez, with Hibbert as the 2nd choice if Robin goes earlier.

Posted by: Derek | June 20, 2008 4:34 PM

Ok people look.

Draft: I have to say, even though he was a bum in high school when I played against him, Roy Hibbert would be a solid choice at 18. 7 foot 2 and pretty mobile is hard to argue with. Mainly because we don't know how ET is going to come back next season. But also, the PGs are not very deep in this draft, and that may be our biggest need.

Caron is the most important player on this team. We could lose Gil and still be solid but without Caron we fall out of the playoffs. He plays D, can score inside and out, doesn't mind passing, rebounding, whatever. You need guys like that.

As for GIl, who I am a fan of, he doesn't really fit unless he has learned his lesson from the sideline that this team is more confident when he's not out there throwing up 35 footers. I love Gil though, and if he can balance his scoring attack with dishing, we are very scary. But if teams can focus on stopping him (unless there's less than 24 seconds left because he immediately becomes unstoppable) we are much weaker.

Again, love Gil, but wouldn't argue with a sign a trade for Baron or Chauncey (who apparently may be on his way out of Detroit). We need a true PG that can also score. If that means trading Gil for one of those guys, so be it. If we keep him, we need to keep Roger and develop him as a PG. His shooting was big this year.

Some guys I would hate to trade:

1)Nick Young - star potential
2)Andray - if he can stop getting arrested, very athletic at 6'10, can guard alot of players (ie KG)
3)Roger - true shooter
4)Deshawn (Souljah Boi) - only really good perimeter defender and a knock down shooter
5)Dominic - rebounds and defense, we need as many of those guys as we can get

Other than that, we can try and make a move for a PG with the rest of the guys.

Posted by: Gtown87 | June 22, 2008 11:29 PM

We also may need a 3. Someone to give Caron a break.

Posted by: Gtown87 | June 22, 2008 11:37 PM

NICK YOUNG WILL DO DAMAGE NEXT YEAR!!

Posted by: Gtown87 | June 22, 2008 11:39 PM

Gtown87 we do need another 3. Drafting Hibbert, along with the return of Etan, allows us to keep Songaila and Blatche at the 4 instead of center, which allows us to use Jamison more at the 3 in relief of Caron. Jamison getting more pt at sf, plus an improved McGuire (hopefully) should allow us to rest Caron more.

Hibbert's low post offense, passing ability, and ability to play the high post will lead to more open shots for the big 3.

Who does the defense focus on? Who do they double. Big Hibba gets it down low he can score. Or he passes it to an open Caron cutting to the hole, or an open Arenas, or an open Jamison or DeShawn for 3.

When we want to run we got Haywood, Etan, or Blatche... but with Hibbert we can slow it down and pound it down low when we need to. We can rebound... and we can come off the bench with Hibbert and Blatche at pf when we need size, and that is a tandem that could prove very difficult for opposing 2nd units to deal with.

Posted by: Darnell | June 22, 2008 11:53 PM

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