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Workouts continue

Today, the Wizards hosted six draft candidates (though there is a chance that none of today's guys will be drafted at all): forward-center Fank Elegar (Drexel), forward-center Jeff Ferguson (Wayne State), guard Stefhon Hannah (Missouri), forward Michael Lee (St. Bonaventure), forward Quan Powell (Auburn) and guard Jason Rich (Florida State).

The workouts continue Monday when point guard Ty Lawson (North Carolina) visits along with forward D.J. White (Indiana), guard Mike Green (Butler), forward Othella Hunter (Ohio State), foward James Mays (Clemson) and forward Walter Sharpe (UAB, the same school that produced former Wiz guard and one of my all-time favorite guys Donell Taylor ).

Lawson really helped himself at the Orlando pre-draft camp and could be moving himself into the first round though 18, where the Wiz will pick, may be a little high. Also this weekend, the Wizards will have scouts on hand at the Reebok Eurocamp in Treviso, Italy.

By Ivan Carter  |  June 6, 2008; 4:33 PM ET
 
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any feedback on lawson's drunk driving and how/will that impact his draft status or management's view?

Posted by: gman | June 6, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Hibbert makes Haywood look like Dominique Wilkins.

Posted by: | June 6, 2008 4:29 PM

what? Shorter?
I think I'd agree with that statement...!

Listen anon, you want athleticism in your Center? - then the Wizards would have to tank a season and HOPE that a physical freak like Dwight Howard was available.

Take a look at the "athletic" Centers in this draft and tell me any one of them that doesn't have BUST written all over them.

You want to talk about Projects? Here's just a couple of examples:

DeAndre Jordan - 7-ft Center. Is leaving after one (1) year of Collge at Texas A&M. Incredible physical specimen. Freakish athlete. BUT
• Not productive
• Poor fundamentals
• Extremely limited w/back to the basket
• Lacks strength to hold spot on block
• Mediocre footwork
• Struggles finishing through contact
• Poor passer/Black hole?
• Atrocious free throw shooter
• Not incredibly active
• Poor Defensive awareness
• Gets Pushed around in post
• Not a shot-blocker
• A long ways away from contributing
• High bust potential

JaVale McGee - 7-ft Center. Leaving Nevada after two (2) years. Incredible physical specimen. Terrific athlete. BUT
• Extremely weak physically
• Struggles holding spot on the block
• Inability to finish through contact
• Poor fundamentals
• Poor Footwork/Post-moves
• NO Left hand
• Extremely poor Shot-selection
• BAD Free throw shooter
• Poor Decision making
• Low Basketball IQ
• Lacks experience
• Atrocious defender

Roy Hibbert, on the other hand, has tremendous size and strength. Excellent hands. He plays hard. Efficient on the Offensive end. Excellent passer. Good Mid-range jumper. Excellent Back to the basket scoring. Soft touch around basket. Good Basketball IQ. Great Work Ethic. Experienced. Good Overall defensive ability.

Compare Hibbert's negatives with the other guys above:
• Lacks Athleticism
• Has a Mechanical post-game
• Lacks Quickness in paint
• Poor Lateral quickness
• Question about Conditioning
• NBA teams preferring to play small-ball
• Lack of improvement from junior to senior year

It almost looks like they're hard pressed to find anything bad to say...

Hibbert is certainly NOT a project - and in my opinion is the most NBA ready Center in this year's draft.

He may not have a "tremendous upside" - and he may not be a "physical freak" or an "incredible physical specimen" - He may not be a "tremendous athlete" - but give me players with good fundamentals, and a great work ethic ... and they'll beat your team of Poor fundamental, Low basketball IQ, freakish athletes every time.


Posted by: Rook | June 6, 2008 6:01 PM | Report abuse

Good Point

Posted by: Haywood Yablowme | June 6, 2008 6:36 PM | Report abuse

Lawson helped himself in Orlando but hurt himself in NC with that drunk driving charge he picked up. And IC, I asked earlier but gotta ask again; Do you think Chicago will make a play for Eddie Jordan now that Collins' is out of the picture?

Posted by: C.Bell | June 6, 2008 10:43 PM | Report abuse

Maybe AB can pick Lawson up from the airport.

Posted by: mark | June 6, 2008 11:00 PM | Report abuse

Go get 'em Rook! You really nailed that one. If Hibbert is available at 18 he makes the most sense.

Project = Free Agent (which is how we got Ben Wallace in the first place).

Posted by: khrabb | June 7, 2008 5:04 AM | Report abuse

You really nailed that one. If Hibbert is available at 18 he makes the most sense.
Posted by: khrabb | June 7, 2008 5:04 AM

Actually, I like Robin Lopez too. He has NO offensive game, but on this team, who cares. We have plenty of guys that can fill it up. What the Wizards lack is tough rebounding and interior defense. Other than Haywood, there's not another good interior defender on the team.

Lopez is a legit 7-foot Center. 6'11.25" without shoes. (Unlike some of the others listed as 7-ft.. Like Javale McGee 6'9.75", DeVon Hardin 6'9.5"). He's a good defender in the paint. Good shot blocker. Extremely hard worker. (notice a theme here? All the guys I like are very hard workers.!) A Very good passer. Intelligent. High Basketball IQ. High energy motor. Coachable.

He looks like a bigger Anderson Varejao - but some of his Offensive moves remind me of Pau Gasol. He'll be a MUCH better Offensive player than Varejao.

Posted by: Rook | June 7, 2008 9:20 AM | Report abuse

You really nailed that one. If Hibbert is available at 18 he makes the most sense.
Posted by: khrabb | June 7, 2008 5:04 AM

Actually, I like Robin Lopez too. He has NO offensive game, but on this team, who cares. We have plenty of guys that can fill it up. What the Wizards lack is tough rebounding and interior defense. Other than Haywood, there's not another good interior defender on the team.

Lopez is a legit 7-foot Center. 6'11.25" without shoes. (Unlike some of the others listed as 7-ft.. Like Javale McGee 6'9.75", DeVon Hardin 6'9.5"). He's a good defender in the paint. Good shot blocker. Extremely hard worker. (notice a theme here? All the guys I like are very hard workers.!) A Very good passer. Intelligent. High Basketball IQ. High energy motor. Coachable.

He looks like a bigger Anderson Varejao - but some of his Offensive moves remind me of Pau Gasol. He'll be a MUCH better Offensive player than Varejao.

Posted by: Rook | June 7, 2008 9:20 AM | Report abuse

2nd round, if the Wizards can move up, I'd like to see them take Mario Chalmers. A PG that can play very good defense on the perimeter.

If they can't move up, then take Kyle Weaver. Called the best defensive player in College. A true "lock down" defender.

I have this vision of the Wizards down by 20 at the Half, and Eddie Jordan calling on the young guys to bring up the defensive intensity in the 3rd quarter. Young, Weaver, Lopez, Blatche and Dominic McGuire

Posted by: Rook | June 7, 2008 9:26 AM | Report abuse

Hope you're planning to give us your reaction to the tryout guys.

Posted by: joe c | June 7, 2008 11:24 AM | Report abuse

Good comments, Rook. I agree Robin Lopez makes sense for this team...definitely need a tough interior / energy guy, and I'm not sure free agency is too promising in that department.

Rook, what's your feeling on the Arenas/Jamison situation? I basically agreed with the Sally Jenkins article on Arenas--he has his flaws, but there's too much positive about this guy to let him walk--but I really have mixed feelings about Jamison. Namely, his FG percentage always feels too low to me, especially from 3, and while I love his classiness and leadership, and the job he did on boards this year, he seems bound to start wearing down (more 3s?), you'd like your 4 to protect the rim more, and I feel like Butler could pretty much handle the leadership/accountability role on his own.

Posted by: Andrew | June 7, 2008 11:40 AM | Report abuse

"You really nailed that one. If Hibbert is available at 18 he makes the most sense."

I hate to disagree, but Hibbert can't stay on the floor for long periods and he's still behind a few big men.

Lawson would be ideal for the Wiz because Daniels is clearly showing his age and there is no one else that can run the team when Gil is on the bench. God knows Stevenson can't and when Daniels went down the Wiz lost.

I've been saying for years the Wiz need a good PG and Lawson would fit the bill. He showed in NC he was a winner and could run a team.

Don't expect the Wiz to take a big man with that first pick, they have too many as it is and Etan is also expected to come back next year. It's a log jam for playing time there.

Personally speaking I would look to trade a couple bodies, maybe Mac and Blatche and see if I could move up if I were EG. I don't see Blatche getting any better and Mac is too deep on the bench. If that other Russian kid comes over, what then?

They still need a PG with that pick, or someone who can back up Jamison when he sits.

On a side note, Young NEEDS to see more playing time next year. I'm still very annoyed he played so little during the playoffs when he was literally on fire the last month of the season.

You listening/reading Eddie?

- Ray

Posted by: Ray | June 7, 2008 1:06 PM | Report abuse

Ray I agree we need a young backup PG... Whether that is the best investment of the 18 pick, I do not know.

Posted by: khrabb | June 7, 2008 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Note to Rook: Thank you for making my point about Roy Hibbert unles there's a Chris Paul or Williams(Utah) out there take Hibbert he has all the attributes that Rook described and he knows EJ's offense and he is teachable don't screw this up Ernie!!.

Posted by: dargregmag@aol.com | June 7, 2008 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Rook, The only part I about Hibbert that I think is still really a project to stay on the court in the NBA is his strength. Those really long guys sometimes take awhile in the gym to develop it.

One of the biggest reasons Haywood has improved the last two seasons is the increase in his strength. So the Wizards have shown the patience to work with a lanky big and turn him into a servicable NBA center.

The one thing I really like about Hibbert is the way he's developed his hands. To me when you have a guy that big with soft hands and the court awareness he displays it's a hard combo to pass up. I'm still not fully convinced he'll still be around at 18 dispite what some mock drafts say.

If Mason isn't resigned the Wiz have to come away with a backup point somehow. But is there one at 18 that makes sense? There seems to be the possiblity of several bigs at 18 to choose from. Would the Wiz by pass Hibbert or Robin Lopez for Lawson?

Posted by: GM | June 7, 2008 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Ernie is not going to use the 18 on a PG, unless one of the top 3 drop in his lap. The best available at 18 is probably going to be a 3 or a 5-project. So unless Ernie can make a move...

Posted by: oddjob | June 7, 2008 3:15 PM | Report abuse

It's pretty unlikely they'll pass on a big man with the potential to be a quality backup C for a backup PG, when they've already got a serviceable backup PG (Daniels) under contract for a few more years. Assuming Arenas re-signs and that he and Daniels stay healthy, backup PG is not an immediate need. Backup C is, because all of the Wiz's current options there are decidedly underwhelming.

I don't see much concern over Hibbert's strength. He didn't have any noticeable trouble establishing deep post position in college. The problem, more often than not, was that teams that didn't have a guy to match his size would zone up and swarm him and/or the ballhandler to keep him from getting the ball in the post. When he did face single coverage against guys close to his own size (e.g., Oden, Aaron Gray) he usually had big games.

Posted by: kalorama | June 7, 2008 3:23 PM | Report abuse

"I hate to disagree, but Hibbert can't stay on the floor for long periods and he's still behind a few big men."

That's yet to be determined in the NBA. And, in any case, even if he plays all of the backup minutes behind Haywood, he'd still only need to be on the floor for about 22 mpg.

Posted by: kalorama | June 7, 2008 3:27 PM | Report abuse

"Actually, I like Robin Lopez too. He has NO offensive game, but on this team, who cares. We have plenty of guys that can fill it up.

Not really. Arenas, Jamison, and Butler are the only consistent offensive threats. The other guys who provide any offense at all are either very limited, very inconsistent, or both. That's not a huge offensive arsenal.

The bigger problem is that they don't have anyone who can create offense on the low block. The Wizards a are a jumpshooting team and jumpshooting teams are prone to offensive droughts because they don't produce a lot of easy baskets. Having a big low post threat who passes well out of the post would make their offense a lot more effective and make life easier for the perimeter guys. Hibbert potentially fills that need, right now, better than any other big who would be available.

Posted by: kalorama | June 7, 2008 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Don't expect the Wiz to take a big man with that first pick, they have too many as it is and Etan is also expected to come back next year. It's a log jam for playing time there.

Posted by: Ray | June 7, 2008 1:06 PM

So Thomas comes back - he's NEVER played an entire season without a major injury.

After Thomas goes down, who do you want coming off the bench when Haywood comes out? Pecherov? Blatche?

Eddie will probably play Songaila or Jamison at the Center position - going "smallball" again.

Ray - look at the draft. It's rich with good, quality big men in the middle to Late first round - with NO quality Point Guards..

Ty Lawson is NOT a Princeton type PG. He can bring the ball up the court, but he's used to running the show, with the ball in his hands.. That's not how Eddie's Offense works. After the ball crosses half-court, the PG becomes just another cutter, just another shooter. And Lawson's 3-point shot leaves much to be desired.

Now Mario Chalmers, on the other hand CAN shoot. AND he can defend. AND he's not short! But to get him, the Wizards would have to move up to the top 10 in the Second Round.

Posted by: Rook | June 7, 2008 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Ray I agree we need a young backup PG... Whether that is the best investment of the 18 pick, I do not know.

Posted by: khrabb | June 7, 2008 1:58 PM

I'd be OK with moving up in the First round to take Westbrook; but Lawson, in the Eddie Jordan's Princeton system would be a bust.

Posted by: Rook | June 7, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

"The bigger problem is that they don't have anyone who can create offense on the low block. The Wizards a are a jumpshooting team and jumpshooting teams are prone to offensive droughts because they don't produce a lot of easy baskets. Having a big low post threat who passes well out of the post would make their offense a lot more effective and make life easier for the perimeter guys. Hibbert potentially fills that need, right now, better than any other big who would be available.

Posted by: kalorama | June 7, 2008 3:34 PM "

You may be right, but unfortunately, Hibbert is a good 2-3 years from being a productive player and regular part of the rotation if drafted here, nevermind the fact that he'd have to take minutes away from BTH at starting C first.

Assuming AB, OPech, and even ET keep progressing on the court, Hibbert would have to leapfrog those dudes.

The only way to see results now is for EG to make a trade for a productive 4 and have AJ as part of the trade, or coming off the bench.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 7, 2008 6:34 PM | Report abuse

"You may be right, but unfortunately, Hibbert is a good 2-3 years from being a productive player and regular part of the rotation if drafted here, nevermind the fact that he'd have to take minutes away from BTH at starting C first."

That "timetable" for Hibbert's productivity is purely speculative with no real factual basis. In other words, a wild, blind guess. It's also irrelevant, because even if true (which is doubtful) he's still most likely more ready than any other big man the Wiz are likely to get at #18. So given that it's one of their biggest areas of need, he's still a good (albeit safe) pick. He's certainly more ready right now than Pecherov, who was taken with the #18 pick two years ago.

As for taking minutes away from Haywood ... nonsense. Haywood averaged about 27 mpg last season, leaving about 21 mpg (the upper limit of standard backup minutes) for Hibbert. The only reason he'd take minutes away from Haywood is if he turned out to be better than Haywood. Otherwise, the only minutes he'd be taking would come from the motley crew of space fillers behind Haywood.

"Assuming AB, OPech, and even ET keep progressing on the court, Hibbert would have to leapfrog those dudes."

"Keep progressing" would imply that they've actually shown some progress to date. The only one who has is Blatche, and his progress is really only evident when he plays 3 and 4. He's clearly over-matched at the 5. Thomas is taking up space until they can trade his contract and Pech has yet to show any real hint of NBA level skill. (To say nothing of the fact that almost all of the minutes he did play came at the 4.)

Your entire argument is based on the idea of some kind of pecking order that simply does not exist. None of the players currently in line for the backup C role have done anything to cement their places so solidly that they can't be fairly easily dislodged.

Posted by: kalorama | June 7, 2008 9:39 PM | Report abuse

"So given that it's one of their biggest areas of need, he's still a good (albeit safe) pick. He's certainly more ready right now than Pecherov, who was taken with the #18 pick two years ago."

The Wiz have many areas of need, but a backup center who's not a great scorer, not that quick, and is a bit passive isn't as critical as a scoring and defending 4 or a point guard who can score and defend.

As speculative as it may be, everybody knows that big men take longer to develop, and for Hibbert, who's a late bloomer to begin with at GU, it's not that much of a speculation that he's not nba ready.

"As for taking minutes away from Haywood ... nonsense. Haywood averaged about 27 mpg last season, leaving about 21 mpg (the upper limit of standard backup minutes) for Hibbert. The only reason he'd take minutes away from Haywood is if he turned out to be better than Haywood. Otherwise, the only minutes he'd be taking would come from the motley crew of space fillers behind Haywood."

Actually, he would be taking minutes away from BTH. The minutes that BTH got last season are minutes where they need someone who can man the post. When BTH wasn't in the game, it's because the Wiz wanted more athleticism at the 5 who can play uptempo, namely AB. You won't see Hibbert described as being athletic.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 7, 2008 11:14 PM | Report abuse

"Hibbert is a good 2-3 years from being a productive player and regular part of the rotation"

That works out perfectly. This timeline means Hibbert will be ready to step up just as Etan's time with the Wizards is ending.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 7, 2008 11:41 PM | Report abuse

"The Wiz have many areas of need, but a backup center who's not a great scorer, not that quick, and is a bit passive isn't as critical as a scoring and defending 4 or a point guard who can score and defend."

Most backup Cs aren't great scorers. That's why they're backups. The fact remains that Hibbert can score capably in the post, something that can't be said about anyone currently playing C for the Wizards. Conversely, assuming Arenas and Daniels are both back and healthy, any PG they draft will be a third stringer who, barring injury, will only see cleanup up minutes in blowouts. If that.

"As speculative as it may be, everybody knows that big men take longer to develop, and for Hibbert, who's a late bloomer to begin with at GU, it's not that much of a speculation that he's not nba ready."

It's pure speculation. He was a late bloomer three years ago. During the last two years he was a double-digit scorer, all big east, and 2nd team all american. His "blooming" is well under way. As for developing ... the development curve applies mostly to players who come in with more physical tools than actual bball skills. The learning curve applies to them actually figuring out how to play the game. Hibbert already has that part well in hand. He's got more basketball skill than many of the the Cs who will be taken ahead of him. Which is why he's more NBA ready than guys like Lopez who have great physical tools but will take 2-3 years to figure out how to use them. Hibbert already worked that out while he was in college.

"Actually, he would be taking minutes away from BTH. The minutes that BTH got last season are minutes where they need someone who can man the post. When BTH wasn't in the game, it's because the Wiz wanted more athleticism at the 5 who can play uptempo, namely AB. You won't see Hibbert described as being athletic."

Nonsense. Jordan didn't play Blatche at the 5 because he craved more athleticism at the position. If that were true he wouldn't have played Songaila so much at C. He played Blatche at the 5 because with Thomas out Blatche was the closest thing to an actual C they had on the roster (and he wasn't that close) after Haywood. With Hibbert on board, that would no longer hold true. Haywood and Hibbert would handle all of the C minutes and everyone else could go back to their natural positions.

Posted by: kalorama | June 7, 2008 11:56 PM | Report abuse

I REALLY want Hibbert! I will be so happy if we get him!!

And I don't get all the talk about how he has limited upside. What are they talking about?! Do they know anything about basketball??

Hibbert is 7-2 and big! Big players like him always take longer to develop. As he gets older his coordination and finese game will improve, he will learn how to use his body and size, he will learn the nuances of rebounding and boxing out, help defense, etc. He started playing ball late, and look how solid his game is already! Look how he played against last year's #1 Oden when they went head to head. People that say Hibbert doesn't have upside are just straight up idiots.

As far as pg, I agree we need to add a 3rd pg. Rather than drafting Lawson in the 1st round, I would try to nab UVA's Sean Singletary as an undrafted free agent for our summer league team. I think Singletary would be a nice fit for our style of play, a young guy to learn the position from vets like Gil and Antonio and give us some added depth. He is a good pg, very quick, and he can score. A first round pick would be alot for a guy who will be burried behind Gil and AD. But all the mocks I see don't have Singletary being drafted. I think he would be a solid addition.

In the 2nd round I'd love to get SF Pat Calathes. He is a 6-10 sf who is versatile with great court vision and passing skills. Nice handle and shot, kinda a Hedo Turkolglu type, but with more of a point-forward skillset and mindset.

Posted by: Darnell | June 8, 2008 1:34 AM | Report abuse

Really, Singletary not being drafted? I mean, I like to downplay the Cavaliers as much as the next Terps fan, but somebody's bound to tag this guy with a second round pick. He's under-sized and he's not gonna dunk on anybody, but he's got elite quickness, & can make all the shots, including some big ones. Who knows, maybe that second-rounder will be the Wizard's...

Posted by: Andrew | June 8, 2008 3:22 AM | Report abuse

WIZARDS OFFSEASON:
Resign Gilbert Arenas and Antawn Jamison
Wizards trade:Etan Thomas and Darius Songaila
for
Atlanta:Zaza Pachulia and Speedy Claxton
Why for wizards?We get a back up center who brings toughness and defense and a third string point guard who did not play for a whole year just like Etan Thomas with a o.k contract.
Why for Hawks?they get a post up power foward and that can also can hit a jumper and a center who brings toughness and shot blocker and has not played for a whole year.
#18 PICK-PF/C Mareese Speights #47 pick PG Goran Dragic(goes overseas)
Sign Flip Murray
Depth Chart
PG.ARENAS/DANIELS/CLAXTON
SG.STEVENSON/YOUNG/MURRAY
SF.BUTLER/MCGUIRE
PF.JAMISON/BLATCHE/PECHEROV
C.HAYWOOD/PACHULIA/SPEIGHTS

Posted by: domo | June 8, 2008 1:47 PM | Report abuse

"Most backup Cs aren't great scorers. That's why they're backups. The fact remains that Hibbert can score capably in the post, something that can't be said about anyone currently playing C for the Wizards. Conversely, assuming Arenas and Daniels are both back and healthy, any PG they draft will be a third stringer who, barring injury, will only see cleanup up minutes in blowouts. If that."

It's yet to be proven Hibbert can do anything in the NBA, where most dudes are faster, jump higher, and are more athletic than this plodding big man we call Hibbert who didn't prove much during his NBA career either.

Daniels will be turning 35 soon. By not drafting a backup point guard for "cleanup minutes in a blowup" means that there was no foresight assembling this team to compete for the future. Also, I guess you forgot that this past season the Wiz were hurting for backup PG help as Gilby was gone almost the entire season and AD was hurt for a period of time too. Gilby will be coming back a year older with the question mark remaining, and AD will again be 1 year older.

Getting back to Hibbert, he's 2-3 years away from making any contributions, as big men taking a lot longer to develop. College success does not guarantee success in the NBA as the best players leave early.

"It's pure speculation. He was a late bloomer three years ago. During the last two years he was a double-digit scorer, all big east, and 2nd team all american. His "blooming" is well under way. As for developing ... the development curve applies mostly to players who come in with more physical tools than actual bball skills. The learning curve applies to them actually figuring out how to play the game. Hibbert already has that part well in hand. He's got more basketball skill than many of the the Cs who will be taken ahead of him. Which is why he's more NBA ready than guys like Lopez who have great physical tools but will take 2-3 years to figure out how to use them. Hibbert already worked that out while he was in college."

It's a mistake on your part to think any type of what you would call success in college would translate directly to the pros. Go check out dudes like Joakim Noah and Corey Brewer. BTW, nobody is comparing Hibbert to any other C's in the draft. What I am saying is that there's a more pressing need for EG to get a 4 via a trade or to draft a point guard, not a center. This team already has too many raw big men (AB, OPech, VV, and DMac).

"Nonsense. Jordan didn't play Blatche at the 5 because he craved more athleticism at the position. If that were true he wouldn't have played Songaila so much at C. He played Blatche at the 5 because with Thomas out Blatche was the closest thing to an actual C they had on the roster (and he wasn't that close) after Haywood. With Hibbert on board, that would no longer hold true. Haywood and Hibbert would handle all of the C minutes and everyone else could go back to their natural positions."

BS. EJ played Blatche at the 5 against teams that played an uptempo offense because BTH couldn't keep up, and DSong as backup against slower teams because there were no more bodies left. So many games did we see people just jump over DSong and blow by him. Hibbert is so unathletic that he make BTH look quick.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 8, 2008 2:44 PM | Report abuse

"That works out perfectly. This timeline means Hibbert will be ready to step up just as Etan's time with the Wizards is ending.

Posted by: | June 7, 2008 11:41 PM "

Yup, perfect. Just in time for another team to throw money at him for a player the Wiz drafted. Happened before, will happen again.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 8, 2008 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Etan & Pech for Dwight Howard

Posted by: Anonymous | June 8, 2008 3:26 PM | Report abuse

No one is going take Etan in a trade at this point. Maybe that can happen next year when his contract is ready to come off the books. If we can get 8-12 decent minutes per game out of his as a back-up PF next year that will be fine.

I am still hooked on Roy Hibbert. Go back and watch the NCAA Finals game he played in 2007 against Oden. Add in the fact that he is mature, intelligent and can play within the type of offensive sets the Wizards use, and the fact that some smart folks in Utah seem to like him, and it would seem that he is the type of player we would live to regret passing up.

Posted by: khrabb | June 8, 2008 5:29 PM | Report abuse

If Hibbert played at Arkansas would as many people want him here?

Ernie could always buy a 2nd rounder. No effect on the salary cap.

Weaver sounds like a good understudy for Daniels and a good first project for the coach-to-be.

Posted by: Monte | June 8, 2008 7:34 PM | Report abuse

"Daniels will be turning 35 soon. By not drafting a backup point guard for "cleanup minutes in a blowup" means that there was no foresight assembling this team to compete for the future. Also, I guess you forgot that this past season the Wiz were hurting for backup PG help as Gilby was gone almost the entire season and AD was hurt for a period of time too."

In other words, they only needed PG help because Arenas and Daniels weren't both available. But if they are both available (as they presumably will be) then they don't need another PG now. As for building for the future ... if they were really concerned about building for the future, they wouldn't be planning on signing a 32 year old Jamison to a big long-term contract. If they were building for the future they would have traded his expiring deal for young talent. They didn't. Why? Because the Wiz are clearly going with a win now mode, which means drafting a PG who will sit on the bench and not play doesn't factor into their plans. Unless they can get someone who can come in and be better than Daniels as a backup (which won't happen) drafting a PG in the first round makes little sense.

"EJ played Blatche at the 5 against teams that played an uptempo offense because BTH couldn't keep up, and DSong as backup against slower teams because there were no more bodies left."

That's complete and utter fabrication. He frequently played both of them at C against the same teams in the same game. (Much to the annoyingly vocal dismay of the Jordan Haters fan club. "Small ball" anyone?)

Posted by: kalorama | June 8, 2008 10:13 PM | Report abuse

"It's a mistake on your part to think any type of what you would call success in college would translate directly to the pros."

And it's a mistake on your part to willfully misinterpret what I said to mean that.

Posted by: kalorama | June 8, 2008 10:17 PM | Report abuse

"I am still hooked on Roy Hibbert. Go back and watch the NCAA Finals game he played in 2007 against Oden. Add in the fact that he is mature, intelligent and can play within the type of offensive sets the Wizards use, and the fact that some smart folks in Utah seem to like him, and it would seem that he is the type of player we would live to regret passing up.

Posted by: khrabb | June 8, 2008 5:29 PM "

Which is exactly why Hibbert should have struck when the iron was hot and came out after last season. What happened this past season? Not as big as last season and he didn't even come close to putting the team on his shoulders.

Same applies for Gilby. He had a better argument for max money early last season. Since then, it's been downhill skiing.....dropped from a helicopter.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 8, 2008 10:19 PM | Report abuse

"Because the Wiz are clearly going with a win now mode, which means drafting a PG who will sit on the bench and not play doesn't factor into their plans. Unless they can get someone who can come in and be better than Daniels as a backup (which won't happen) drafting a PG in the first round makes little sense."

Kal, I believe the argument that the draftee will not get any PT is true for pretty much anyone we draft.

We're spending a lot of time talking about the draft because our team has been eliminated but in my opinion it doesn't really matter what happens on draft day. Whoever we get isn't going to make a difference in the W-L column this coming year. As long as we are relying on our core 3 players (and all indications are that we are doing that) we will win or lose with Gil, CB and AJ. Neither Beasley nor Rose would start or get significant minutes on this team. We have all stars at the 1, 3, and 4.(and yes i know GA is a year removed). I think we all agree now that our 5 is decent enough to win with. That leaves our biggest deficiency at the 2. No one is really talking about SG (perhaps because NY is on the roster) but if there's a stud at the 2, it might be our best bet. Cleveland is one of the few teams that really pounds us and exploits our lack of size and rebounding. Do we really want to draft big just to beat Cleveland?
I agree with a previous poster that we have bigs that aren't playing. Shouldn't we draft for our biggest area of need?

Posted by: mark | June 9, 2008 7:22 AM | Report abuse

I just found out that there's also a Mystics Insider forum. I found that interesting considering that team has sucked since its inception.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 9, 2008 10:05 AM | Report abuse

If the goal is to pick someone who has the best chance to contribute in the next 2-3 years (we can't expect anyone to play real minutes the first year), then the Wizards have to seriously consider Hibbert.

Playing 4 years at GU (starting 3), he's more experienced than the other centers in the draft. He's physically matured more than many of them as well. As "unathletic" as he may be, he's surprisingly quick with his post-up moves. In fact, the "weaknesses" that someone posted above shouldn't include "mechanical post-game" and even "poor lateral quickness" I find questionable. It's certainly not true in his post-up game, which he proved in the game against Oden and in countless other games, and defensively I'd say he's more average. Go watch some youtube videos if you disagree.

Where his athletecism really seems to be a problem in my mind is his ability to get up and down the court and his stamina. I'd like to see him get better at rebounding as well.

Posted by: Johnnie Futbol | June 9, 2008 10:17 AM | Report abuse

If Roy Hibbert is still there at 18 we have to take him. Hibbert is the player most likely to get playing time, if not at first, certainly by the end of the season.
Instead of using the under-sized D-Song & Etan at C, Hibbert would be the perfect back-up for the Wizards and he would not get abused by the larger NBA C's.

Posted by: Hibbert now! | June 9, 2008 10:21 AM | Report abuse

Hibbert's not going to be a dominant NBA center for the next 15 years, but we're also talking the 18th pick here.

Here are some videos to see just how "unathletic" the guy really is (or isn't):

Big Roy versus L-ville
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hH5_Z8Ae3K8&NR=1

Georgetown Roy Hibbert dominating the paint
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVUJ4-uy1dk

Posted by: Johnnie Futbol | June 9, 2008 10:31 AM | Report abuse

Viewing the various videos, I see that Roy Hibbert has faster reaction time, and after catching or rebounding the ball does not need to gather himself as much as Haywood needs to, before jumping up for a dunk. I am not sure if he has a left hand/right foot move though. The highlight videos show mostly right hand hooks and two hand dunks.

Posted by: rgz | June 9, 2008 10:43 AM | Report abuse

correction: they also show Hibbert right hand dunks.

Posted by: rgz | June 9, 2008 10:44 AM | Report abuse

It's great watching a highlight reel of Hibbert to become enamored with him, but in the NBA, he's not going to playing against guys who are future security guards or furniture salesmen. That's why only a few (62 players with a lot from foreign countries) even get drafted out of the players from hundreds of colleges, prep schools, junior colleges, etc. who are eligible.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 9, 2008 11:39 AM | Report abuse

I think Roy Hibbert didn't need to gather himself in college because he was playing against guys 6 inches shorter with less skills. In the NBA, he'll get some of those lazy shots spiked by taller, more athletic opponents.

Posted by: mark | June 9, 2008 11:46 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, he's quite good going to his right, shooting with his left. He's got a nice hook shot with both hands. For someone who's as unathletic as he's supposed to be, he's got some impressive footwork. When posting up, his lateral quickness is actually a strength.

Here are some general Hoya highlights but you can see plenty Hibbert in there, including some shots with his left. He'll also block shots with both hands (as you can see from the videos previously posted).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7ifVJV8tow

Posted by: Johnnie Futbol | June 9, 2008 11:46 AM | Report abuse

Lazy shots? Oh come on...

Hibbert's track record against taller, more proto-typical NBA centers is of course quite good as well (Oden, Thabeet, Grey, etc.).

The point of these videos is just to dispel the unathletic myth.

Posted by: Johnnie Futbol | June 9, 2008 11:49 AM | Report abuse

the problem with highlight videos is they only show a small fraction of all the plays a players has been through.

i don't think hibbert is unathletic by any means. but the fact remains that other than his frosh-soph year, his production hasn't really improved at all in the college ranks. and it wasn't like he had dominating production in the soph year. makes me wonder how much he could improve after getting to the pros. it's entirely possible that georgetown's team and coach kept him from improving, but that's a little hard to believe. and we know it's not for a lack of a developed skillset. scouts were worried about love's supposed lack of athleticism, and he made a point to come in in better shape and do drills and show that he was capable of improving. i haven't heard or read of hibbert making any such strides.

when a player like devon hardin is coming off of a shoulder surgery in his junior year, and is well known as not having much of a skillset yet, has similar production to hibbert makes you wonder about hibbert's "potential."

when robin lopez, who is also know as having no offensive skills and primarily a defender is only a soph and had simliar output to hibbert's soph, you think he still has "potential."

i just don't think a guy should be in college for 4 years, and only really improve in his first season. i know he made small improvements here and there, refined his game, and got a little better on defense. but still, there's a reason he dropped from lottery pick to mid-to-late first round.

i like lopez more than hibbert. and think lopez could do a lot for us, even this year, defensively. but i'm still sticking to my original thought of approaching seattle and seeing if they want the 18th and something (like pesch) for their 24th and 32nd picks. hibbert could still very well be around at the 24th. and guys like chalmers, hardin, hickson and others will certainly be around there and possibly at 32.

Posted by: JC | June 9, 2008 11:54 AM | Report abuse

For what it's worth, I don't necessarily think the Wizards should draft Hibbert. But I do see that there are a number of centers that are projected to fall mid-late 1st round, and believe the Wizards could do a lot worse than scout/workout all of them and see if they can have their pick of the litter. Hibbert is a legitimate prospect at that point of the draft, and some of the criticisms of him I find exaggerated or completely unfounded (while some are quite fair).

I would be even happier if they could work out some kind of trade to get a veteran banger.

Posted by: Johnnie Futbol | June 9, 2008 11:59 AM | Report abuse

People typically look towards statistics to measure improvement. Frankly, that can be just as deceptive as youtube videos, especially considering the team Hibbert was playing for. I've made this point here before, but consider the stastistics of Jeff Green the year he was drafted with the 5th pick and won Big East POY. Not all that overwhelming and fairly similar to Hibbert's numbers. If a player wants to pick up big numbers, frankly they should play for a different coach than JT3.

There's no question Hibbert improved from freshman to sophomore year, and from his sophomore year to junior year. His final year of course, much less so. Perhaps though, moving up to a higher level of play is what he needs to push his game up to another level?

Posted by: Johnnie Futbol | June 9, 2008 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Hibbert will be a fantasticly average backup Center for years in the NBA, eventually being overpaid and thus joining the Hall of Mediocre Big men. There he can take his place alphabetically. Gadzuric, David Harrison, Hibbert, Jerome James, Raef LaFrentz, Madsen...

Posted by: Monte | June 9, 2008 12:18 PM | Report abuse

I think the Wiz should trade the pick for the rights to Tiago Splitter, another much ballyhooed player on this blog.

Then, we can have another summer like last with JCN.

LMAO!

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 9, 2008 12:29 PM | Report abuse

Hibbert is the absolute last thing this team needs. we should take the best player available which wont be hibbert and if not trade down....we can still get hibbert or someone likes chalmers latter. Also would love to have joey dorsey...he is the next Ben wallance when he was good

Posted by: Anonymous | June 9, 2008 12:58 PM | Report abuse

I like Robin Thicke.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 9, 2008 1:01 PM | Report abuse

The joke seems to be on the Spurs, Tiago Splitter agreed to another contract with Tau Ceramica until 2012. He makes a bunch more money over there than he would over here with the fast diving US dollar.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 9, 2008 1:51 PM | Report abuse

IF the Wiz hang on to the pick, they should pick Robin Lopez over Hibbert. As much as I think he's improved, he's very limited athletically and will have major problems playing defense on a team that is as challenged in this area. I don't see him being able to play in a scrambling type defense that the Wizards employ. I see Lopez as being a more talented version of Andersen Verajao.

IF EG was smart, he'd look at packaging our No. 1 pick and Songaila/Blatche, etc. to a team who has a surplus of big men. We don't need a PG assuming that GA resigns. If we want one, they will be available in the 2nd round.

Posted by: wizfan89 | June 9, 2008 2:39 PM | Report abuse

On offense, the second unit (with AD running the point) plays a controlled, half-court game that depends on crisp passing and smart reads.

On defense, the second unit (with Blatche at the 4) has good interior help defense and rebounding but lacks bulk.

Hibbert looks like a pretty good fit to me.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 9, 2008 2:55 PM | Report abuse

"On offense, the second unit (with AD running the point) plays a controlled, half-court game that depends on crisp passing and smart reads.

On defense, the second unit (with Blatche at the 4) has good interior help defense and rebounding but lacks bulk.

Hibbert looks like a pretty good fit to me.

Posted by: | June 9, 2008 2:55 PM "

In theory, but do you really think EJ is going to put a rookie, Hibbert, in there instead of DSong? Based on history, not a chance. Small ball rules!

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 9, 2008 3:13 PM | Report abuse

i don't think jef green is a good comparison. he played only 2 years for the hoyas then left early. he didn't play 3 years at roughly the same level. plus, he was just plain and simple a better talent than hibbert. probably why he was able to play 33 minutes a game compared to hibbert's 26.

so it's very conceivable to think that green improved again from his sophomore year. he never showed any years of static improvement. hibbert has. and hibbert doesn't have excuses like an injury, or change of coach/style of play.

again, i'm not saying he's a bad player. i'm just trying to make a case that he is no more of a sure thing than the other centers at that spot, and probably has less "potential."

Posted by: JC | June 9, 2008 3:25 PM | Report abuse

If instant impact is the most important factor than Robin Lopez makes a lot of sense. He can play Center and defend his position on the second unit right now. His ball skills aren't where they need to be but they also aren't as bad as some would have you think.

The kid can pass well, has good hands too. He can defend the rim and has a knack for boards and blocks. Thats the best instant impact on this team.

Posted by: Monte | June 9, 2008 3:48 PM | Report abuse

If any of these C's out there don't have an offensive game...it may not matter as much as long as they can do what guys like Tyson Chandler and Marc Camby do. That's play D, get up for a board, and catch and dunk.

None of our bigs can really do that now. We need athleticism in the paint, not a slow gentle giant.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 9, 2008 4:03 PM | Report abuse

JC, Jeff Green played 3 years for the Hoyas. Between his 2nd and 3rd years he improved his ppg by only 2 pts, while his rebounding and assists stayed essentially the same. Yet he went from 2nd team Big East to POY.

I don't think anyone doubts the improvement Jeff Green had throughout his career at Georgetown. But while, Roy Hibbert is no Jeff Green, I really doubt Green's stats would've changed much if he stuck around for his senior season. The main point I meant to make is it's hard to put up big numbers in the slow, princeton-style hoya offense, where all players on the floor shoot and pass. Sapp, Summers and Wallace could all score.

Following Hibbert's career at GU from the beginning, really no one doubted Hibbert's improvement from year to year all the way up until his senior season, rather people raved about his gradual improvement. It wasn't until that final season that his productivity leveled off. And again, we're not looking solely at statistics here, which are again deceptive in particular with the Hoyas.

Posted by: Johnnie Futbol | June 9, 2008 4:13 PM | Report abuse

The one good thing about Hibbert is that he most likely will be working out and receiving mentorship at GU throughout the summer with his fellow big men alums. Very few, with the exception of Michael Sweetney, get fat and lazy.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 9, 2008 4:32 PM | Report abuse

my bad on the 2 years. but if he had stayed another year, and not improved much at all, he would've dropped in stock a lot. like i said, i'm really not trying to knock on hibbert, i just don't think anyone can call him any more of a sure thing than any of the other big mean available at the 18th spot. and if you're not going to get a sure thing, you need to consider potential when you draft.

anyhow, gonna move on over to the lastest blog post....

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