Arenas Agrees to Take Around $16 Million Less

One quote from Gilbert Arenas says it all: "What can I do for my family with $127 million that I can't do with $111 million?"
Arenas told me a little while ago that he has agreed to a six-year, $111 million contract. The Wiz had offered the maximum level contract, one that would have paid him between $125 to $127 million over six years. Arenas said he is willing to take less in order to help the Wizards have room to add key pieces over the next few seasons. The deal still has to be finalized once the league releases salary cap and luxury tax numbers next week but Arenas said his mind is made up.

"We have another room to add a piece," Arenas said. "There is a window of opportunity open for us. Adding key pieces leads to championships and that's what we all want."

More later.

By Ivan Carter |  July 3, 2008; 7:21 PM ET
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You go, Gil! Welcome Back!

Posted by: Anonymous | July 3, 2008 7:33 PM

im happy for gil this shows his passion for the game and where he is playing at. hopefully the team is healthy and we can put 3 players in the allsar game. it would be awsome if we could sign josh smith, then we would have gil at poing caron butler at the 2 josh smith at the 3 antwan at the 4 and haywood at the 5. that sounds like a good line up. lets make it happen

Posted by: bigmex | July 3, 2008 7:42 PM

Well I guess we're stuck with Gil for the next 6 years...and I can't be more excited for it! This team is going to be sick next year when everyone gets healthy.

Posted by: psps23 | July 3, 2008 7:52 PM

Hey ivan you were right all along when you said both and jamison will be back you were right but if we have some money will it be better to sign roger mason or james posey

Posted by: brandon | July 3, 2008 7:53 PM

Good news - let's hope Ernie finds the right piece.

Posted by: Mike in SD | July 3, 2008 7:53 PM

Gilbert must have pictures of Ernie in a compromising situation. Gilbert is the team's highest paid player and the least responsible. There's no way he'll ever live up to this contract and I'll go one further - he'll never play anything close to a full season again. Franchise money for damaged goods!

Posted by: Firuz | July 3, 2008 7:54 PM

Hey ivan you were right all along when you said both and jamison will be back you were right but if we have some money will it be better to sign roger mason or james posey

Posted by: brandon | July 3, 2008 7:54 PM

Good move by Gil. I like the unselfish comments, along with the recognition that he is only a part of an evolving - and hopefully - Championship Team in the next five years.

Posted by: Sparky | July 3, 2008 7:56 PM

Assuming we might actually have the choice between Posey and Mason (I don't think we will, I think one or both will sign elsewhere for more than we can offer), I would suggest that while I love what Mason brings to the table as a player (and seemingly, from all you read, as a person), getting a legit backup 3 would be a bigger priority until DM is ready to play more minutes...

UNLESS there is some thinking in place that would give AB more time at 4, Jamison more time at 3 and CB more time at 2. If that is the case, AND if the Wiz braintrust is comfortable with Mason as a 3pt shooter and 3rd string PG, perhaps it is a toss up.

I personally don't think we'll re-sign either, I think both will be too expensive.

Posted by: psdfx | July 3, 2008 7:59 PM

And as I wrote in an earlier post to those of you who say Gil is too selfish/shoot-first, so was MJ for the first 4 or 5 years in the league...

We will have the privilege, over the next six years of watching one of the best scorers in the game turn into one of the most complete guards on the planet.

Posted by: psdfx | July 3, 2008 8:00 PM

Sweet!

Posted by: CJ Baltimore | July 3, 2008 8:02 PM

So there you go DC Man88 (and to all the other haters out there) - Arenas IS a man of his word...

Posted by: Rook | July 3, 2008 8:04 PM

http://www.washingtontimes.com/weblogs/outlet/2008/Jul/03/arenas-agrees-deal/

"giving back roughly $16 million of the max, $127 million deal the team offered him Tuesday morning.

"This is in line with what I've been saying the whole time," Arenas said Thursday evening in a telephone conversation from China. "You see players take max deals and they financially bind their teams. I don't wanna be one of those players and three years down the road your team is strapped and can't do anything about it."

Posted by: Anonymous | July 3, 2008 8:07 PM

It's on like Donkey Kong!!!

Posted by: PacMan | July 3, 2008 8:08 PM

I love Gilbert but my reaction to all this is whoopdie f-ing do. Unless Gilbert decides that $111 mil is enough motivation to play defense...good team defense all starts with clamping down on the opposing team's point guard...then all this stuff doesn't matter.

Posted by: Prodigal Son | July 3, 2008 8:10 PM

You know how Gilbert chose to give "16Mil" back? He's messing with Deshawn all over again. He can now say he turned down more than Deshawn got last off-season.

He really "held the organization hostage" on this deal. derf derf derf

Posted by: Monte | July 3, 2008 8:15 PM

Regardless of what you think of Gilbert as a player, you have to admit this is either a very shrewd PR move or he truly thinks the wizards can win and he's a man of his word (however weird Gilbertology might be). He very well could have taken the entire $127 million and no one would/could have faulted him for it. But he took $16 million less from a done deal. That's about 13% less money.

Posted by: Bart | July 3, 2008 8:17 PM

@Monte: That's $16 million across 6 years. About $2.7 million. Not DeShawn money but Roger Mason kinda money.

Posted by: Bart | July 3, 2008 8:19 PM

One more reason why gil is the man!!

Posted by: ken | July 3, 2008 8:19 PM

Do any of you people even REMEMBER how frustrating it was to be a Bullets fan in the 80s and early 90s?

We went through a DECADE of irrelevance.

Always competitive enough to ensure a mid-range draft pick (which we never hit a home run on), never good enough to matter.

You tell me giving up Arenas is going to help the team, and I say "who are we going to replace him with?" And then I say "Welcome back to the 80s." This team---with Arenas a couple of years ago, had an extended run as the best team in the east, derailed by injuries. This same team, without Arenas for the most part last year was 43-39 or something close to that. Is 43-39 what we aspire to?

EG has done a tremendous job of building a cast of young players with a lot of potential. The Caron Butler trade was one of the best of the decade by any GM, and Jamison is the (still not old) elder statesman. But we needed a star, a true, legit "Give me the ball in crunch time" superstar---and we have one.

People keep saying this team is one and done in the playoffs, but that completely discounts the impact injuries have had the last two years.

I'm thrilled Arenas will be coming back.

Posted by: psdfx | July 3, 2008 8:19 PM

MAN, am I happy as all hell. Now all we have to do is make sure that Blatche and McGee eat 6 meals a day (STEAK, POTATOES, AND PROTEIN SHAKES) and work out, work out, work out...

I like Mason -- he's earned his stripes, whether he stays or leaves -- but Pech has got to go.

I really want Nick and D-Mac to get alot more playing time this coming season!

Posted by: Ntlekt | July 3, 2008 8:22 PM

Point: He called from China. How does anybody know for a fact that it was him on the line?

Additional point: Also keep in mind that if it was him, his call was likely being monitored. Furthermore, his Chinese minders may have been standing directly next to him, coercing him into saying precisely what they wished (for what nefarious purposes I can't even begin to imagine).

Conclusion: I'd wait until he gets back on the North American continent to verify both his identity and words before taking his trans-Pacific statement as proverbial gospel.

Posted by: Buffalo Dele | July 3, 2008 8:22 PM

Point: He called from China. How does anybody know for a fact that it was him on the line?

Additional point: Also keep in mind that if it was him, his call was likely being monitored. Furthermore, his Chinese minders may have been standing directly next to him, coercing him into saying precisely what they wished (for what nefarious purposes I can't even begin to imagine).

Conclusion: I'd wait until he gets back on the North American continent to verify both his identity and words before taking his trans-Pacific statement as proverbial gospel.

Posted by: Buffalo Dele | July 3, 2008 8:22 PM

Wow, Buffalo Dele - you sound suspiciously like DC Man88.... with your wild, and wacky speculations... based not on facts but on your own twisted and crazy illogic.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 3, 2008 8:29 PM

Now trade Pech for JJ Redick (both could use change of scenery and have matching salaries) and sign a back-up 3 to complete the team.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 3, 2008 8:29 PM

I'm giving the other $16 million to DC Man88, in hopes that he'll finally shut da f#@k up.

Posted by: Gilby | July 3, 2008 8:31 PM

Pech for Reddick?? I think the Magic would jump at that. Why don't we give Pech one more year (last year was his first in the NBA, right?) before we give up on him...

On the other hand, how many 7 foot tall skinny guys who should play center but actually play 4 and want to play 3 do we really need?

Posted by: psdfx | July 3, 2008 8:32 PM

I think Gilbert is a fine player but not nearly the franchise type player that can elevate a team to the championshiup level, I think you can count maybe 3-4 players in the whole league capable of that right now but another 35 or so that make 10 mill or more a season.

Gilbert completely healthy which is also an issue is a great offensive player but not that efficient a one. He takes a ton of very bad shots and is careless with the ball and shuns leadership, but he's exciting and clutch so I think the financial worth is a Wizards concern not a fan one. I just don't see this dream that somehow Jamison, Butler and Gil are gonna lead the Wizards to the promised land of winning a title

Arenas has the Gilbertology from the coaching staff perspective, he doesn't play defense and as the teams most talented player says don't follow me.

Jamison re-signing is no boon either he's professional and exudes discipline and preparation,but he shuns banging hasn't blocked a shot since highschool and gives up as many points as he scores to his man.

Butler to me is the real leader and most complete player on the team if they had 2 more of him then I could get on board with this three headed idea.

Otherwise this Big 3 will take all the shots average 20 plus and then complain that poor Brendan Haywood and the young bench players aren't producing.

Hard to produce when the Big 3 won't share the ball won't allow others in competitve postion with them to ascend and develop important roles that could help them win.

Its no coincidence that Brendan had a good year when the Big 3 was out for most of the season. With them back though he'll fade back into this get rebounds block shots and shut up fantasy role that teams with selfish perimeter players seem to believe exist somewhere, Ben Wallace isn't Ben Wallace anymore and thats 1 guy.

Poor Eddie Jordan in a year or so he'll be the scapegoat for the stagnation. The 1st rd and out or the 2nd rd and out situation of the team. When its real issue is the type of players and the personality of the best player that will have caused the problems.

Posted by: Teddy | July 3, 2008 8:37 PM

Pech is redundant with AB and now McGee around. Orlando is signing Duhon and drafted a SG with their 1st rounder. Not a vote of confidence for Reddick. He could replace Mason who might be too pricey.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 3, 2008 8:39 PM

So, assuming 10.5% increases, here's how Arenas' contract may look:
08-09 14.654M
09-10 16.193M
10-11 17.731M
11-12 19.270M
12-13 20.809M
13-14 22.347M
Total 6 yrs for $111M

McGee should be making about $1.3M next year, so that's $16M between Arenas ($14.654M) & McGee ($1.3M) on top of the $50.1M already on the books (including Jamison's $9.9M), according to the link below. That's a total of $66M, well under the estimated luxury tax limit of $70.5M. We can sign someone for about $4.5M this year (MLE is about $5.5M) and be under the luxury tax threshhold, that should be more than enough to get a Posey or Pietrus that was mentioned earlier...


http://sportstwo.com/NBA/TeamSalaries/WASHINGTON

Posted by: CN | July 3, 2008 8:47 PM

This is great. The team is a joy to watch. I hope they go further into the playoffs next year. Maybe Gilbert's playing time should be reduced to keep him healthy.

Posted by: esch | July 3, 2008 8:47 PM

I don't know about Pech being redundant... I wouldnt mind a fresh start for Reddick here, but I'm not sure how anybody can know if he can play at all on this level or not---he sure hasn't worked his way off of the bench in Orlando. And the times I've seen the Magic play the Wizards, it seems all he does is hang out on the perimeter and wait for the ball to be fed to him for 3s.

As for Pech, you don't trade big for small when the small you are getting is marginal at best. Give Pech another year or two.

Posted by: psdfx | July 3, 2008 8:48 PM

Great we have Gil back! Yippy! Big Deal! How soon until we lose to Cleveland again. I wish they would trade away Gil and Antwan and build around Caron. He almost beat Cleveland by himself. Trust me, they will regret giving Gil this 6 year contract.

Posted by: wizfanatic2008 | July 3, 2008 8:51 PM

Deshawn didn't get six years so the total worth was less than 16Mil. Did Gilbert just give RMJr a 3 year 1.66Mil contract? Roger can and should do better than that. Roger a Net?

Posted by: Monte | July 3, 2008 8:52 PM

What we need to do is to find a way to trade Etan to a willing team (and to get Etan's permission so a trade kicker can be waived---if that is possible, not sure). THAT is the way to free up money to sign additional pieces...

Posted by: psdfx | July 3, 2008 8:55 PM

The Wiz now need a tough, defensive-minded SF to spot CB. (McGuire is not sufficient). Posey would be good.

Given that EG doesn't want to trade for a banger, hopefully Etan will be able to crunch the boards next season as the back-up center.

This will be the best team ever assembled that will be picked in the preseason to finish 3rd in their division (out of five)and power ranked at around 15 for the entire NBA.

Let's now start counting the excuses for EJ. Maybe the Peter Principle will kick in and he'll be promoted to GM.

Posted by: Izman | July 3, 2008 8:55 PM

Pech doesn't duplicate either of those guys. Neither of those guys is being groomed to be a rebounding 3point shooting 4. Trying to buy one rarely works. Looking at you Tim Thomas. So investing 4.5Mil or so over 3 years to develop the kid could be seen as a better investment than say, Vlad Radmanovic.

Posted by: Monte | July 3, 2008 8:58 PM

"he'll never play anything close to a full season again"
~Firuz would you put your money where your mouth is? I'll take that bet in Vegas any day!

Posted by: Darrell | July 3, 2008 9:01 PM

It is soooo ooooon!

K. First, big ups to Gil for getting this deal done quickly. With the increase in the salary cap we should have a good amount of money to play with signing RM or another FA is not out of the question.

WE HEARD A LOT OF CRAP - about how Gil would 'take the team hostage'. Gil has not only been a man of his word but he did it quickly. So, some crow shall be eaten by the folks who said he would string the team out and maybe change his mind once we were screwed.

So, now that we know you all were wrong about that bit... well we can presume that you are wrong about a lot more.

I realize Gil is a flawed player, but even with his past foibles and lack of commitment to Defense I think he brings something to this team that isn't on the market right now. He was just crazy enough to come to DC when NOBODY would sign here. He deserves a bit of credit and thanks from the fans for helping bring DC back from the brink. A bit of benefit of the doubt... shall we say.

Looking forward I see gil as a player that works really hard (is that in doubt?) and I think that as players around him develop it will encourage him to develop too.

People like to talk about how gil shot it out a couple years ago. And he takes away from other players, but I think a short memory serves them poorly.

When gil first arrived EJ had to press Gil to be more selfish! Look it up. Early in his DC days gil was trying to find his teammates too often. At issue here... who was he going to pass too?

Antawn - yes... wasn't here Gil's 1st year
Caron Butler - great
Larry Hughes - Sure
Etan Thomas? slow to the hoop bounce bounce
Jefferies? never certain on O
Daniels? no shot, great driving
Hayes? um, yeah... no thanks
Popeye Jones? hahaha
Michael Ruffin - Mwaaahahaha
Deshawn Stevenson? Streaky role player
Haywood? - i will comment on him at length
Booth? No.
Donell Taylor - No no.
Jahidi White - hehe
Chris Whitney - Thank god for Daniels
Kwame Brown - HAHAHAHAHA sigh
Juan Dixon - fun times
Steve Blake - why not... pass back
Laetner - Seriously shoot it, d'oh!
Laron Profit - uhg...
Awvee Storey - Slap
Chucky - no way jose Atkins

You could pass to that line up all night and only get 6 assists a night.

Gil became what we needed. An aggressive, cocky shoot-em out type player.

All he has done is help build a franchise that has gone to the playoffs 4 consecutive times. (pause) FOR THE FIRST TIME IN 20 YEARS! That is no joke!

He helped create an atmosphere where FA players might actually consider playing.

He gave the fans something to be excited about.

Look we all like LH, but he was no GIl. Caron Butler is a fan favorite but didn't get league wide all-star respect until last year.

Jamison is GREAT for this team, but he doesn't have that same push Gil does.

Haywood, where have you been? He showed a LOT of improvement last season, which is to say he hadn't been a great great asset for this team in the past.

We have a young talented team that is still developing. 6 years is a long time, a lot can happen, good and bad. But people who say Gil is a virus, a cancer some nefarious character who only looks out for himself... Those folks need to take a step back, look at the WHOLE picture. What was, and what is now. How easy would it be for you to turn down money someone is giving you?

It's time to take hat in hand around here, eat a little humble pie and ratchet back the hate.

Gil is back!

Posted by: g | July 3, 2008 9:01 PM

Matt Barnes
Michael Pietrus
Michael Finley
Quentin Ross
Kirk Snyder

Posted by: Monte | July 3, 2008 9:02 PM

You said it, Rook. Gil GAVE UP $16 MILLION !! I hope everyone here realizes the magnitude of what he did. He did not have to do that. Even for a guy who's rich, it was a really big sacrifice. I hope the detractors here STFU about how selfish he is. Most players in this league would have taken the money. Garnett did it in Minnesota and everyone was all on his diznik and never talked about him like some of you did about Gil. Its obvious to me that he cares about winning.

Posted by: mark | July 3, 2008 9:05 PM

Duck Fuke, no Reddick.

Glad to see Gil's staying, now I hope he can stay healthy. I don't think they'll win a championship as presently constructed, but they will remain entertaining and frankly, I just like Gil. Everyone takes everything so seriously, it's a game and he has fun playing it, I wish more professional athletes were like him. He should do a better job of keeping EJ directly informed of his playing status, though...

Posted by: Jim | July 3, 2008 9:08 PM

Michael Finley? We don't need that steady veteran to come in and give us some key points (a la Brent "I think that's my first name" Barry, Finely, Eddie Jones, etc.). We need a steady veteran to help solidify the defense and provide the tough-guy mentality of doing what it takes to get that rebound or acting as a stopper.

I think it's too early to give up on Pesh, he avg'd 14 pts/7+ reb during SL last year, he probably only had a hang nail on his foot, but our medical staff let loose on him... Let's give him another yr of SL and see how our roster pans out, if we don't have the injuries, Pesh will get some well-needed playing time in the D-League, which will give some some blow and confidence, unlike Reddick, who's been riding the pine and/or wearing the Puff the Magic Dragon costume during the Magic's home games...

Posted by: CN | July 3, 2008 9:11 PM

Big props to EG for making the big offer, and even bigger props to GA for looking at the big picture.

The important component of the story is that Gil agreed now and not in two weeks. This gives the Wiz the opportunity to get busy in the Free Agent market.

So who do they go after other than Posey? Let's face it, Lebron is this team's nemesis, and Posey does a decent job on him. I believe they need a banger at the 4. I don't think Pech has a chance to have any impact, so cut him or put him at the end of the bench, and everyone raves about Andray. But what good is he if he can't deliver consistently?

Posted by: M.E.G. | July 3, 2008 9:13 PM

Great! Gilbert kept his word, taking less, the signing of Antawn etc etc, and he's ok with me! Welcome back Gil, DC loves you. (DC born-raised). Go wiz! Tawn we love yout too! DC

Posted by: washingtonian | July 3, 2008 9:24 PM

Aah yes, props to Gil -- it's truly a rarity that someone's given a blank check and chooses voluntarily not to empty the account. I just wish he would have waited to see where the luxury tax threshold was and then taken just enough to put the Wiz a dollar over, that way there'd be no more of this "we're not going over the threshold" crap -- they'd be over and would just have to get used to it. It's such a ridiculously low amount of money in the grand scheme of NBA finances that it's irksome that it's even a consideration when determining whether or not to sign a player that could truly help the team.

Anyway, let's hope the Wiz reward his restraint by spending whatever's necessary to pick up the additional pieces, EVEN if it means exceeding the stinking luxury tax.

Posted by: Jim | July 3, 2008 9:25 PM

I'd burn my eyes out if I ever saw J.J. Redick in a Wizards' uniform. Glad Gil got signed and glad he left money on the table for us to get better pieces. I think Ernie is done for now (unless he can really pull a rabbit out of his hat). I think he's gonna wait to see what the summer (squad) brings. Maybe Vermeenko is a banger we can use of the bench? Maybe Mcgee is further along than anyone expected (remember, we don't need points, we need defense)? Maybe DMac learned how to make a open 15 footer? Maybe Blatche is serious about becoming a great player (doubt it)?

A lot of maybes but i'm still satispied in the direction that the team is going. I keep hearing everyone say that this team is a 40-45 win team. But people forget that we did that WITHOUT the big 3 healthy. When they are healthy (like last year up to the all star break), they were the best team in the League (record wise). So I have faith in this group and faith that Abe and Ernie are serious about bringing another title here next year.

Posted by: C.Bell | July 3, 2008 9:30 PM

hopefully elton brand will be one of those pieces (not that we have THAT much cap space though)

Posted by: jeremy | July 3, 2008 9:34 PM

i saw on digg ppl already sayin the wizards arent good enuff to win! no way!

http://digg.com/basketball/Gilbert_Arenas_Re_Signs_With_Washington

Posted by: washwash | July 3, 2008 9:36 PM

Surprise, surprise, surprise. Maybe GA is maturing after all...

Ernie knows there are no decent 4s or 5s out there we can afford. So he is looking to get a solid 3 who will give CB a blow and help keep him healthy.

Posted by: oddjob | July 3, 2008 9:37 PM

oops. My bad. I meant "satisfied". lol. I can hear my Professor screaming in my ear to PROOF READ BEFORE YOU SUBMIT IT!!!


Anyways, I'd like to throw out 2 names that might help us out and wouldn't cost that much. Juan Dixon is one. He can handle the point. Play great defense. Gets the fans involved more (instead of those fake ass fans we got in the arena now). And he can score with the best of them when he's hot. The other name I know i'm gonna get hated on for even saying but...Kwame Brown. Look, I know he was a bust here, but when he was in L.A. , he learned how to play defense. Protecting the rim was his specialty. I watched a lot of laker games (NBA Package) and when he was in, there was no easy path to the basket. He's 7'0 ft. 270. All muscle. And can be had for cheap. Give him a 1 year deal and see what he can do. He'll instantly upgrade our bench by giving us something Etan can't. Height and size.

Posted by: C.Bell | July 3, 2008 9:39 PM

Wow, wow, wow. Stunning move by Arenas. Thanks Gilbert, welcome back!!!!

Pollin now has no excuse not to allow Grunfeld to spend the $16 on the luxury tax, loading this team up for a Finals run.

Posted by: PowerBoater | July 3, 2008 9:44 PM

Kwame can probably help some teams for the reasons you stated, but not the Wiz; he just can't come back here -- anywhere but DC, too much history on both sides.

Posted by: Jim | July 3, 2008 9:45 PM

Gil, you're crazy but we all love you. Thanks for helping out the team and thrilling the fans. You will be rewarded Agent Zero. Ten, twenty years from now people will still think Arenas when they think of the Wizards. You will be and already are a DC legend.

Posted by: Emmet | July 3, 2008 9:45 PM

"I love Gilbert but my reaction to all this is whoopdie f-ing do. Unless Gilbert decides that $111 mil is enough motivation to play defense...good team defense all starts with clamping down on the opposing team's point guard...then all this stuff doesn't matter."

Exactly, best post here.

Thing is they can still only offer the mid level exception to someone and that's it so don't start jumping for joy about adding another player just yet.

Gil may as well took the max, I don't really see how this helps the Wiz out. If he took 90-100 mil, then that would have been something.

Seems like just a PR move to me. :/

"Garnett did it in Minnesota and everyone was all on his diznik and never talked about him like some of you did about Gil."

Garnett plays defense and is going to the HOF. Also the comment about Jordan being "selfish" above is not a good comparison. The Bulls had NO ONE when he first came to the team, he had to be that way. That team he came to was abysmal.

In my eyes Gil has a lot of growing up to do. You pay a guy that much money he has to be "the man" and right now he's not.

I'm a life long fan and will watch them no matter who is on the floor. God knows I've watched some pretty horrid teams over the years. But I hope Gil matures next year for the teams sake, this is really my biggest concern if the Wizards are to go further in the playoffs.

Gil has to be "the man" now, there are no excuses.

- Ray

Posted by: Ray | July 3, 2008 9:50 PM

Here are Ernie's best options. yes some would take the Wiz over the cap. But if we want to win it all, this will more than likely be a requirement. My pick would be Loul Deng coming off the bench--future sixth man of he year candidate:

Josh Smith (22 y/o, 17.2 ppg, 8.2 rpg, 2.8 bpg, 1.5 spg) -- A breakout performance in the playoffs solidified J-Smoove's place as one of the most important free agents on the market. He can turn a borderline team into a contender with his all-over-the-court skills.

Andre Iguodala (24 y/o, 19.9 ppg, 5.4 rpg, 4.8 apg, 2.1 spg) -- Can he be the #1 option on a title-contending team? Iguodala led Philly to a playoff berth this year, but is better suited as a #2 guy.

Luol Deng (23 y/o, 17.0 ppg, 6.3 rpg) -- His stock dropped significantly from where it was one year ago, but he's still a difference-maker who should command a hefty payday.

Corey Maggette (28 y/o, 22.1 ppg, 5.6 rpg) -- Was his shameless gunning this past season a result of being in a contract year, a necessary evil with the Clippers not having Elton Brand's offense for 70-plus games, or just a reflection of what a team is gonna get if it signs Maggette?

James Posey (31 y/o, 7.4 ppg, 4.4 rpg) -- Rocking two championship rings now and coming off an NBA Finals showing where he did a better job of containing Kobe Bryant as anyone could have imagined, Posey is a hot commodity right now.

Josh Childress (25 y/o, 11.8 ppg, 4.9 rpg) -- Developed into a solid role player who can help a playoff team.

Ricky Davis (28 y/o, 13.8 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 3.4 apg) -- Is the fact that Ricky Buckets always seems to be on bad teams a matter of circumstance, or his own fault? He's considered poison in most NBA circles.

Bostjan Nachbar (27 y/o, 9.8 ppg, 3.5 rpg) -- He's got some game coming off the bench, and will get the occasional highlight-reel banger.

Dorell Wright (22 y/o, 7.9 ppg, 5.0 rpg) -- Will the production ever catch up to the potential? At this point it's not looking like it's gonna happen, but Dorell is still young.

Kelenna Azubuike (24 y/o, 8.5 ppg, 4.0 rpg) -- Athletic, strong, and would thrive in an up-tempo system. Doesn't have much of a jumper, but has the tools to be a great defender and transition scorer.

Quinton Ross (27 y/o, 4.1 ppg, 2.3 rpg) -- His rep as a younger, skinnier Bruce Bowen isn't as strong as it was when the Clippers were good, but he's valuable nonetheless.

James Jones (27 y/o, 8.0 ppg, 2.8 rpg) -- Anyone looking for an inexpensive three-point sniper off the bench should take a look at Jones.

Eduardo Najera (31 y/o, 4.0 ppg, 3.3 rpg) -- Added a three-pointer to his repertoire, which had previously consisted of broken noses, floor burns and hard fouls.

Matt Barnes (28 y/o, 6.7 ppg, 4.4 rpg) -- Remember last summer when people thought he was worth more than the $3 million Golden State gave him? He'd be lucky to get that kind of money now.

Mickael Pietrus (26 y/o, 7.2 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 1.0 spg) -- Once upon a time he was a kinda highly-coveted player. He's got the physical tools but just isn't that good of a ballplayer.

Posted by: oddjob | July 3, 2008 9:50 PM

well, it still over $100 million dollars..but how come chirs paul cost less than arenas though (4 years/68mil

Posted by: Anonymous | July 3, 2008 9:54 PM

and now we can sign mason and trade him to the nets for nenard krystic

Posted by: Anonymous | July 3, 2008 9:55 PM

"The other name I know i'm gonna get hated on for even saying but...Kwame Brown."

Not at all and I agree.

Kwame's biggest problem is he has bricks for hands and is often caught "watching" the play develope instead of being apart of it. He will never be accepted here because of what went down before. The fans here will never allow him to come back. :)

- Ray

Posted by: Ray | July 3, 2008 9:57 PM

HEY WIZ FANS, GET READY FOR THE FIRST ROUND EXIT NEXT YEAR!!

Posted by: Anonymous | July 3, 2008 9:57 PM

"well, it still over $100 million dollars..but how come chirs paul cost less than arenas though (4 years/68mil"

Lol, I know. :)

- Ray

Posted by: Ray | July 3, 2008 9:58 PM

Oddjob, we can't sign anyone unless we use one of our exceptions (mid-level, low-level, etc.). The mid-level is not going to be enough for Deng, Iguodala, Childress or Smith. It might not be enough for Maggette either.

And if we use our full mid-level exception, we'll be over the luxury tax.

Posey will likely cost the full mid-level. The other guys might be options.

And to answer anonymous, the maximum contract is based on years of service. A max contract for a seven-year veteran like Gilbert is more than for a three-year veteran like Paul. As such, Paul makes less.

Posted by: Pradamaster | July 3, 2008 9:59 PM

yeah it still cost ALOT even hes already taking a pay cut. someone like chris paul and baron davis cost much less than arenas! well if he want to save the team some money even more, he should do like what chris paul did (4years, 68 mil). I mean, chris is their franchise player too and he still cost muchless than arenas.

getting krystic would be a great idea cause he can score in the paint,

Posted by: ak47 | July 3, 2008 10:03 PM

I think "anon" was just being sarcastic but:

D. Maximum Player Salaries
As under the prior CBA, in the first year of a new contract a player may receive the greater of 105% of the player's prior salary, or:

0-6 years of service: 25% of Salary Cap

7-9 years of service: 30% of Salary Cap

10 or more years of service: 35% of Salary Cap

- Ray

Posted by: Ray | July 3, 2008 10:05 PM

I was against signing Gilbert, until I saw that the Wiz drafted McGee. McGee has a chance to become a gifted BIG man, and I think Gilbert can and will adjust his game to move the ball low, if and as McGee progresses.

This team needs to shift the scoring focus when Gilbert is in the lineup so the front court shares more equally in the offense. Having McGee develop should go a long way toward creating that balance. Pretty exciting stuff!

Posted by: hoops lover | July 3, 2008 10:05 PM

this is great news!I like mason alot but we need to let him walk.Nick young is the perfect scorer off the bench for us

Posted by: Doug | July 3, 2008 10:05 PM

HEY, Gil. Let me ask, "What can you do for your family with $111 million that you can't do with $106 million?" That's right. Send 5mil my way, please.

Posted by: abrockway | July 3, 2008 10:06 PM

For the last time, Paul is taking the maximum he can take according to NBA rules. Because he has only been in the league for three years, that maximum is less than what Gilbert can make. Gilbert, simply by being a seven-year veteran, is able to make more according to NBA rules.

The quote from the ESPN article. http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3473113

"The Hornets will pay Paul the maximum allowable under the NBA's collective bargaining agreement, starting at 25 percent of the salary cap for the first year of the extension, with 10 percent raises thereafter."

Davis is making less than he can, but he's also three years older and has a more extensive injury history than Gilbert.

Posted by: Pradamaster | July 3, 2008 10:06 PM

I was against signing Gilbert, until I saw that the Wiz drafted McGee. McGee has a chance to become a gifted BIG man, and I think Gilbert can and will adjust his game to move the ball low, if and as McGee progresses.

This team needs to shift the scoring focus when Gilbert is in the lineup so the front court shares more equally in the offense. Having McGee develop should go a long way toward creating that balance. Pretty exciting stuff!

Posted by: hoops lover | July 3, 2008 10:05 PM

well, yeah im excited for this team to go into the lottery next year

since our team is gonna be pretty much the same as last year and with gilbert coming back we r gonna score alot of points and play little defense.

Posted by: ak47 | July 3, 2008 10:07 PM

NOTE TO FIRUZ AND ALL YOU OTHER SO CALLED FANS: Gilbert wants to win and He will show all you doubters, once the season begins Glibert is a team player and a damn good one!!! every team needs a centerpiece and Arenas is ours with everyone back and healthy this squad is dangerous, a threat to unseat the Celtics as eastern conf. champs, this season will be one to remember(Gilbert 1st team all nba,Mcgee all rookie 1st team, Antwan and Caron all star team along with Gilbert,EJ NBA COACH OF THE YEAR!!!) BOOK IT!!!.

Posted by: DARGREGMAG@AOL.COM | July 3, 2008 10:07 PM

Well Coach Thompson, hope this will help your current views and feelings about Gilbert.

Posted by: Mark | July 3, 2008 10:08 PM

"this is great news!I like mason alot but we need to let him walk.Nick young is the perfect scorer off the bench for us"

I think that's what EG has in mind. Thing is Roger can handle some point if he's needed to. Stevenson is horrid doing that, he doesn't have the balls skills for it.

- Ray

Posted by: Ray | July 3, 2008 10:08 PM

Good news. If he stays healthy, we are in for an exciting ride. This team has so much more talent coming off the bench than in 2005 or 2006.

Posted by: Jeremy Bauserman | July 3, 2008 10:10 PM

"For the last time, Paul is taking the maximum he can take according to NBA rules."

Then why did they sign Paul for less then Gil! The Wiz got ripped off! ;););)

D. Maximum Player Salaries
As under the prior CBA, in the first year of a new contract a player may receive the greater of 105% of the player's prior salary, or:

0-6 years of service: 25% of Salary Cap

7-9 years of service: 30% of Salary Cap

10 or more years of service: 35% of Salary Cap

- Ray :)

Posted by: Ray | July 3, 2008 10:11 PM

This team has so much more talent coming off the bench than in 2005 or 2006.

And a bunch of tall, skinny, inexperienced guys at the end of it. :)

- Ray

Posted by: Ray | July 3, 2008 10:12 PM

NOTE TO FIRUZ AND ALL YOU OTHER SO CALLED FANS: Gilbert wants to win and He will show all you doubters, once the season begins Glibert is a team player and a damn good one!!! every team needs a centerpiece and Arenas is ours with everyone back and healthy this squad is dangerous, a threat to unseat the Celtics as eastern conf. champs, this season will be one to remember(Gilbert 1st team all nba,Mcgee all rookie 1st team, Antwan and Caron all star team along with Gilbert,EJ NBA COACH OF THE YEAR!!!) BOOK IT!!!.

Posted by: DARGREGMAG@AOL.COM | July 3, 2008 10:07 PM

DAMN MAN CHILL!, R U HIS CUZ??

Posted by: Anonymous | July 3, 2008 10:13 PM


Surprised Gilby stayed true to his word. Bad business move though..he should have waited until Mon. or Tues. to see what the new cap figure was first, before settling on an amount. So what if he screws EG over if the Wiz miss out on signing a FA. Buhahahahaha.

It's not "so on." Until the "3 all-stars" stay healthy throughout the entire season and entire playoffs, it's the same mediocre team for now.

The crop of free agents this summer is pretty shallow. (They s#$k let's face it.) Unless you're real close to the chip like Boston, Detroit, and the top West Coast teams, the role players like Posey (although I like him) won't put this team over the top.

The only solid bench players are DSong, AD, and Etan. The goofballs AB, McG, Hollywood Young and OPec are still inconsistent non-contributors right now. It took the last one or 2 summer league games last year before OPec was able to somewhat redeem himself. He stunk up the joint initially. I still laugh at what a scrub he was last year and I'll laugh again if he stinks up the league this year. Buhahahahaha.

Posted by: Baller4Life | July 3, 2008 10:14 PM

What do we have to do to get Brand in a Wiz uniform? Sign and trade with the Clips. first round pick and Brendan Haywood or Etan Thomas ....then we would be talking a complete team with a legit low post scorer

Posted by: Anonymous | July 3, 2008 10:14 PM

This team has so much more talent coming off the bench than in 2005 or 2006.

And a bunch of tall, skinny, inexperienced guys at the end of it. :)

- Ray

Posted by: Ray | July 3, 2008 10:12 PM

the one player that come to my mind is pech lol he shouldn't even be in the NBA team. all he does is shooting three instead of playing in the paint typical euro players

Posted by: Anonymous | July 3, 2008 10:15 PM


Opec Succkkkkkssssss!

Posted by: Baller4Life | July 3, 2008 10:17 PM

"the one player that come to my mind is pech lol he shouldn't even be in the NBA team. all he does is shooting three instead of playing in the paint typical euro players"

Shoot, EJ loves those guys. Look at where he has his starting power foward set up at on plays.

- Ray

Posted by: Ray | July 3, 2008 10:17 PM

well, yeah im excited for this team to go into the lottery next year

since our team is gonna be pretty much the same as last year and with gilbert coming back we r gonna score alot of points and play little defense.

Posted by: ak47 | July 3, 2008 10:07 PM
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I think you're underestimating what McGee will end up doing for this team. He's got great DNA, and if he's the defensive presence everyone thinks he will become, it changes EVERYTHING. With a stopper in the middle who can score when needed, this team can morph into a real NBA team for the first time in decades.

I agree it may not happen overnight, but a team with O and D balance will end up being a blessing for this town and its long-suffering fans.

Grunfeld, a real live and thinking GM, gets high marks for creativity on this one, and the law of averages suggests this scheme should at long last work.

Posted by: hoops lover | July 3, 2008 10:19 PM

Nick Young is a very talented player. He will improve his overall game over the next few years.

Posted by: Jeremy Bauserman | July 3, 2008 10:20 PM

professional athletes these days r making wayyyy too much money, they didn't even go through hard time in college studying (u know what i mean) and they make soo much money more than us when we work our ass everyday to survive. what 1 day playing for in a game for them, running around for 2 and a half hours, having fun playing bb earn them funkin lots of money!

Posted by: Anonymous | July 3, 2008 10:21 PM

WELCOME BACK GILBERT. DON'T LISTEN TO THESE HATERS.

Pls let Etan Thomas go!

Posted by: Anonymous | July 3, 2008 10:21 PM

I can relax and breathe and know angent 0 back good move by gil to take less money so we can re-sign mason and guys down the road like Dainels

Posted by: jordan | July 3, 2008 10:23 PM

Just wanted to throw this little nugget out there before I call it a night (from ESPN):

Since the NBA's current collective bargaining agreement was put in place in 1999, only five players have signed larger total contracts than Gilbert Arenas:

Kobe Bryant 2004 $136.4M
Jermaine O'Neal 2003 $126.6M
Rashard Lewis 2007 $126M
Chris Webber 2001 $122.7M
Tim Duncan 2003 $122M
Gilbert Arenas 2008 $111M

I still think Gil could/should have taken less.

- Ray

Posted by: Ray | July 3, 2008 10:24 PM

well, yeah im excited for this team to go into the lottery next year

since our team is gonna be pretty much the same as last year and with gilbert coming back we r gonna score alot of points and play little defense.

Posted by: ak47 | July 3, 2008 10:07 PM
-------------------------------------------

I think you're underestimating what McGee will end up doing for this team. He's got great DNA, and if he's the defensive presence everyone thinks he will become, it changes EVERYTHING. With a stopper in the middle who can score when needed, this team can morph into a real NBA team for the first time in decades.

I agree it may not happen overnight, but a team with O and D balance will end up being a blessing for this town and its long-suffering fans.

Grunfeld, a real live and thinking GM, gets high marks for creativity on this one, and the law of averages suggests this scheme should at long last work.

Posted by: hoops lover | July 3, 2008 10:19 PM

yeah, but everything is bout POTENTIAL, POTENTIAL, POTENTIAL, i guess im getting tired of it cause the wiz never been that good since what, like 40 years ago? i just hope that one year, JUST for a year, i can see wiz win 50 games w/o having to worry either they will make a playoff or not

Posted by: Anonymous | July 3, 2008 10:24 PM

So DC Man and the other Gil bashers are still silently absorbing this quote : "What can I do for my family with $127 million that I can't do with $111 million?" Please all you fools, tell me another NBA player or another professional athlete who has EVER made a comparable statement? Please all you fools, tell me what the DC reaction would have been if the Wizards had let Gil leave for Golden State for essentially more $$ per year than he has apparently agreed to? Please all you fools tell me how this signing makes the team worse than if they had let him walk and NOT HAD THE OPTION OF USING THAT SALARY FOR A COMPARABLE PLAYER?
As others have said, Gil has his weaknesses as a player...we all hope he will commit to playing defense. We know he can distribute the ball...we all hope he rehabs sensibly and stays healthy.
But even with his flaws, this kid is an amazing talent and scorer and from what I read in the papers, the team that scores the most wins the game.
Let's applaud the only elite athlete I can remember who took less money to help the team improve.

Posted by: arnie | July 3, 2008 10:24 PM

Now that Gil and AO (Washington Caps) have these new, OUTRAGEOUS contracts, I think they should give back to the fans and citizens of the MD, DC, VA area and work at gas stations for a week each and pay for everyone's gas during that week.

Seriously though, Congrats to Gil, the Wiz and all the Wiz fans. I personally think it will be a matter of time before a long playoff run is made and a Championship is brought back to DC and not Boston, LA, Chicago or Detroit.

Posted by: Mitch | July 3, 2008 10:25 PM

I would like to join the wizards; If ernie can swing a deal for me I will bring a championship to Washington DC. I promise.

Posted by: Vince Carter | July 3, 2008 10:27 PM


If any of you are season ticket holders or plan on attending some games, be prepared to pay up the a#% because the Wiz front office/management will hike ticket sales up and also jack up the concession food.

Thanks Gilby. Buhahahahahahaha.

Posted by: Baller4 Life | July 3, 2008 10:27 PM

McGee should be making about $1.3M next year, so that's $16M between Arenas ($14.654M) & McGee ($1.3M) on top of the $50.1M already on the books (including Jamison's $9.9M), according to the link below. That's a total of $66M, well under the estimated luxury tax limit of $70.5M. We can sign someone for about $4.5M this year (MLE is about $5.5M) and be under the luxury tax threshhold, that should be more than enough to get a Posey or Pietrus that was mentioned earlier...


http://sportstwo.com/NBA/TeamSalaries/WASHINGTON

Posted by: CN | July 3, 2008 8:47 PM

Unfortunately, that link you provided does not include Dominic McGuire's salary of $711K.... and there are some variances between your site and the HoopsHype site:

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/washington.htm

Here's my calculations based on the HoopsHype numbers:

Andray Blatche 2,739,669
Antawn Jamison 9,900,000
Antonio Daniels 6,200,000
Brendan Haywood 5,500,000
Caron Butler 9,249,980
Darius Songaila 4,234,000
Deshawn Stevenson 3,616,017
Dominic McGuire 711,517
Etan Thomas 6,864,200
Gilbert Arenas 14,700,000
Nick Young 1,602,960
Oleksiy Pecherov 1,446,720
JaVale McGee 1,300,000

Total 68,065,063


Assuming the Luxury Tax is at $70.5 Million , that leaves just about $2.4 Million to spend on Roger Mason or another FA.

Posted by: Rook | July 3, 2008 10:27 PM

"Let's applaud the only elite athlete I can remember who took less money to help the team improve."

2.67 mil a year less???

Wow, he's such a generous guy. And only 5 other players ever signed higher contracts.

Please.

"I can relax and breathe and know angent 0 back good move by gil to take less money so we can re-sign mason and guys down the road like Dainels"

Exactly.

- Ray

Posted by: Ray | July 3, 2008 10:29 PM

So DC Man and the other Gil bashers are still silently absorbing this quote : "What can I do for my family with $127 million that I can't do with $111 million?" Please all you fools, tell me another NBA player or another professional athlete who has EVER made a comparable statement? Please all you fools, tell me what the DC reaction would have been if the Wizards had let Gil leave for Golden State for essentially more $$ per year than he has apparently agreed to? Please all you fools tell me how this signing makes the team worse than if they had let him walk and NOT HAD THE OPTION OF USING THAT SALARY FOR A COMPARABLE PLAYER?
As others have said, Gil has his weaknesses as a player...we all hope he will commit to playing defense. We know he can distribute the ball...we all hope he rehabs sensibly and stays healthy.
But even with his flaws, this kid is an amazing talent and scorer and from what I read in the papers, the team that scores the most wins the game.
Let's applaud the only elite athlete I can remember who took less money to help the team improve.

Posted by: arnie | July 3, 2008 10:24 PM

gilby could/should have taken less PERIOD!! he isn't lebron or kobe, nough said

Posted by: Anonymous | July 3, 2008 10:29 PM

how bout do sign and trade mason for nenard krytic?

Posted by: ak47 | July 3, 2008 10:30 PM

"Please all you fools, tell me another NBA player or another professional athlete who has EVER made a comparable statement?"

Come on man, they all have cell phones and cars they have to pay for. ;);)

Anybody remember that Patrick Ewing line from that hold out years ago? Too funny.

- Ray

Posted by: Ray | July 3, 2008 10:31 PM


Reprise:

If any of you are season ticket holders or plan on attending some games, be prepared to pay up the a#% because the Wiz front office/management will hike ticket sales up and also jack up the concession food.

Thanks Gilby. Buhahahahahahaha.

Posted by: Baller4Life | July 3, 2008 10:32 PM

"well, it still over $100 million dollars..but how come chirs paul cost less than arenas though (4 years/68mil"

Lol, I know. :)

- Ray

Posted by: Ray | July 3, 2008 9:58 PM


Chris Paul got a max-contraact deal... JUST LIKE ARENAS.... except that Paul's deal was an Extension... and he's only a 3-year pro.. There are LIMITS on what you can give to NBA Players, based on the type of contract (Free Agent, Extension, etc..) and based on the number of years in the League.

You don't like the fact that Arenas got more money than Paul? Take it up with the Player's Union...!

Posted by: Rook | July 3, 2008 10:33 PM


well, yeah im excited for this team to go into the lottery next year

since our team is gonna be pretty much the same as last year and with gilbert coming back we r gonna score alot of points and play little defense.

Posted by: ak47 | July 3, 2008 10:07 PM
-------------------------------------------

I think you're underestimating what McGee will end up doing for this team. He's got great DNA, and if he's the defensive presence everyone thinks he will become, it changes EVERYTHING. With a stopper in the middle who can score when needed, this team can morph into a real NBA team for the first time in decades.

I agree it may not happen overnight, but a team with O and D balance will end up being a blessing for this town and its long-suffering fans.

Grunfeld, a real live and thinking GM, gets high marks for creativity on this one, and the law of averages suggests this scheme should at long last work.

Posted by: hoops lover | July 3, 2008 10:19 PM

yeah, but everything is bout POTENTIAL, POTENTIAL, POTENTIAL, i guess im getting tired of it cause the wiz never been that good since what, like 40 years ago? i just hope that one year, JUST for a year, i can see wiz win 50 games w/o having to worry either they will make a playoff or not
-----------------------------------------

I fully share your frustrations, my friend. But we've got to start somewhere. We've made progress every year for the past four. Now we've got Gilbert and Antwan locked in, a real honest-to-god tough guy in Caron Butler and some great bench shooters and tough-guy role players.

This year we get McGee, a bruising 7-footer with a 7'6" wingspan who blocks shots, plays real D and loves to run.

It's coming, brother. We just have to find a bit more patience while the big guy develops.

Posted by: hoops lover | July 3, 2008 10:35 PM


From the espn.com article:

Arenas has averaged 22.8 points, 5.5 assists and 4.2 rebounds in his seven-season NBA career.

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Gilby's assist/dime numbers are putrid. Rebound numbers are even worse.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 3, 2008 10:35 PM


Reprise..forgot my blog name the 1st time.

From the espn.com article:

Arenas has averaged 22.8 points, 5.5 assists and 4.2 rebounds in his seven-season NBA career.

---

Gilby's assist/dime numbers are putrid. Rebound numbers are even worse.

Posted by: Baller4Life | July 3, 2008 10:37 PM

Way to go Mr. Arenas, sticking to your word. I applaud you and wish more athletes would do the same.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 3, 2008 10:38 PM

"You don't like the fact that Arenas got more money than Paul? Take it up with the Player's Union...!"

I just might. ;);)

D. Maximum Player Salaries
As under the prior CBA, in the first year of a new contract a player may receive the greater of 105% of the player's prior salary, or:

0-6 years of service: 25% of Salary Cap

7-9 years of service: 30% of Salary Cap

10 or more years of service: 35% of Salary Cap

Ok,ok, really leaving now. :)

- Ray

Posted by: Ray | July 3, 2008 10:40 PM

"So there you go DC Man88 (and to all the other haters out there) - Arenas IS a man of his word...

Posted by: Rook | July 3, 2008 8:04 PM "

Shut the f#ck up your f#ckin' used tampon!!!

I take my hat off to Gilby for accepting less after he realized that he's not a max player and wouldn't be able to live up to the expectations.

But, it is still a shame that Abe Pollin had to beg Gilby to take less, not because it helps the team (fake excuse), but because his cheap @ss didn't want to lose out on his lux tax welfare check.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 3, 2008 10:41 PM

I still think that the Wiz should have let Gil go and signed Ebrand for the money, and let Nyoung handle the scoring job with CB and AJ that way the young kids can play. EJ dont have enough confidence in the youngins, LET THEM PLAY, all the other teams let their youngins play

Posted by: fromekaballer | July 3, 2008 10:45 PM

Unfortunately, that link you provided does not include Dominic McGuire's salary of $711K.... and there are some variances between your site and the HoopsHype site:

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/washington.htm

Here's my calculations based on the HoopsHype numbers:

Andray Blatche 2,739,669
Antawn Jamison 9,900,000
Antonio Daniels 6,200,000
Brendan Haywood 5,500,000
Caron Butler 9,249,980
Darius Songaila 4,234,000
Deshawn Stevenson 3,616,017
Dominic McGuire 711,517
Etan Thomas 6,864,200
Gilbert Arenas 14,700,000
Nick Young 1,602,960
Oleksiy Pecherov 1,446,720
JaVale McGee 1,300,000

Total 68,065,063


Assuming the Luxury Tax is at $70.5 Million , that leaves just about $2.4 Million to spend on Roger Mason or another FA.


Posted by: Rook | July 3, 2008 10:27 PM
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Yeah, I noticed D-Mac's salary missing after the post, so good catch. I'm not sure exactly how much we will have, but that's for Grunfeld & co to figure out.

It seems that with some posters here, it was a lose/lose situation for Gil. If he re-signed for $127M, he'd be greedy & selfish. If he re-signed for less, he shouldn't be due any credit b/c it's what he should've done and as Ray keeps on pointing out, there's only a few players since '99 to make more over the term of the contract. Also, someone said it was a bad business move because HE DIDN'T WAIT UNTIL TUESDAY WHEN THE CAP FIGURES ARE RELEASED.

I think Gil did a noble thing, I'm not calling him Ghandi or the Pope, but he could have easily taken the $127M and called it a day, Rashard Lewis didn't think twice about it last year. It wasn't a "bad business decision" for Gil to make the announcement today and instead of waiting until Tuesday, because he is taking less, if he wanted more, he could have just taken the max. I understand Gil deserves this much scrutiny b/c of his salary and responsibility to the team and city, but it seems like some people are just nit-picking at this point.

Don't worry, Gil's contract will pale in comparison to the ones Wade, Bosh, & LeTravel will sign in 2 years...

Posted by: CN | July 3, 2008 10:47 PM

But, it is still a shame that Abe Pollin had to beg Gilby to take less, not because it helps the team (fake excuse), but because his cheap @ss didn't want to lose out on his lux tax welfare check.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 3, 2008 10:41 PM

Yeah - that cheap @ss owner, Polin...
Building two Arenas with his own money, in stead of holding the taxpayers hostage (like in Seattle).

Shelling out over 150 million dollars for the team's 2 best players to make sure they would stay and give the City a chance at a Championship.

Giving away Millions of dollars to charities.

What a scumbag cheapskate..!

Posted by: Anonymous | July 3, 2008 10:48 PM

Ok, now we're finally back to status quo.

How much money do we have, without GOING OVER THE FU'CKIN' CAP, to sign a player that's out there.

Which position is the most critical?

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 3, 2008 10:49 PM

Since the NBA's current collective bargaining agreement was put in place in 1999, only five players have signed larger total contracts than Gilbert Arenas:

Kobe Bryant 2004 $136.4M
Jermaine O'Neal 2003 $126.6M
Rashard Lewis 2007 $126M
Chris Webber 2001 $122.7M
Tim Duncan 2003 $122M
Gilbert Arenas 2008 $111M

I still think Gil could/should have taken less.

- Ray

Posted by: Ray | July 3, 2008 10:24 PM


Kobe Bryant 2004 $136.4M - took the max and never batted an eye.
Jermaine O'Neal 2003 $126.6M - hamstrung his franchise for years.
Rashard Lewis 2007 $126M - took the money and ran
Chris Webber 2001 $122.7M - LOL, worth it?
Tim Duncan 2003 $122M - Took less to help the team - universally praised for his generosity, and thinking of his team first.
Gilbert Arenas 2008 $111M - Took less to help the team - universally despised for not giving back more.

Posted by: Rook | July 3, 2008 10:53 PM

We need a defensive minded player, readless of position. If it's a guard, he can press the ball, if it's a wing player, he can D up on the team's best perimeter player. If it's a F/C, he'll man the rim and get tough rebounds.

Should have plenty of money for someone to fill that specific need. I wonder if Grunfeld's reach out to any free agents other than Mason, 'Tawn, & Arenas...

Posted by: CN | July 3, 2008 10:55 PM

g said it perfectly, stop hating until they are playing.

It is soooo ooooon!

K. First, big ups to Gil for getting this deal done quickly. With the increase in the salary cap we should have a good amount of money to play with signing RM or another FA is not out of the question.

WE HEARD A LOT OF CRAP - about how Gil would 'take the team hostage'. Gil has not only been a man of his word but he did it quickly. So, some crow shall be eaten by the folks who said he would string the team out and maybe change his mind once we were screwed.

So, now that we know you all were wrong about that bit... well we can presume that you are wrong about a lot more.

I realize Gil is a flawed player, but even with his past foibles and lack of commitment to Defense I think he brings something to this team that isn't on the market right now. He was just crazy enough to come to DC when NOBODY would sign here. He deserves a bit of credit and thanks from the fans for helping bring DC back from the brink. A bit of benefit of the doubt... shall we say.

Looking forward I see gil as a player that works really hard (is that in doubt?) and I think that as players around him develop it will encourage him to develop too.

People like to talk about how gil shot it out a couple years ago. And he takes away from other players, but I think a short memory serves them poorly.

When gil first arrived EJ had to press Gil to be more selfish! Look it up. Early in his DC days gil was trying to find his teammates too often. At issue here... who was he going to pass too?

Antawn - yes... wasn't here Gil's 1st year
Caron Butler - great
Larry Hughes - Sure
Etan Thomas? slow to the hoop bounce bounce
Jefferies? never certain on O
Daniels? no shot, great driving
Hayes? um, yeah... no thanks
Popeye Jones? hahaha
Michael Ruffin - Mwaaahahaha
Deshawn Stevenson? Streaky role player
Haywood? - i will comment on him at length
Booth? No.
Donell Taylor - No no.
Jahidi White - hehe
Chris Whitney - Thank god for Daniels
Kwame Brown - HAHAHAHAHA sigh
Juan Dixon - fun times
Steve Blake - why not... pass back
Laetner - Seriously shoot it, d'oh!
Laron Profit - uhg...
Awvee Storey - Slap
Chucky - no way jose Atkins

You could pass to that line up all night and only get 6 assists a night.

Gil became what we needed. An aggressive, cocky shoot-em out type player.

All he has done is help build a franchise that has gone to the playoffs 4 consecutive times. (pause) FOR THE FIRST TIME IN 20 YEARS! That is no joke!

He helped create an atmosphere where FA players might actually consider playing.

He gave the fans something to be excited about.

Look we all like LH, but he was no GIl. Caron Butler is a fan favorite but didn't get league wide all-star respect until last year.

Jamison is GREAT for this team, but he doesn't have that same push Gil does.

Haywood, where have you been? He showed a LOT of improvement last season, which is to say he hadn't been a great great asset for this team in the past.

We have a young talented team that is still developing. 6 years is a long time, a lot can happen, good and bad. But people who say Gil is a virus, a cancer some nefarious character who only looks out for himself... Those folks need to take a step back, look at the WHOLE picture. What was, and what is now. How easy would it be for you to turn down money someone is giving you?

It's time to take hat in hand around here, eat a little humble pie and ratchet back the hate.

Gil is back!

Posted by: roadman | July 3, 2008 10:56 PM

i think its pg position since daniels is gettin old and arenas is more of a sg, so we need a REAL & young pg, maybe center who can score in the paint also

that why im sayin do sign and trade mason to the nets for krystic (since nets like mason alot and they r also looking to trade krystic and he would be perfect fit to our team)

Posted by: ak47 | July 3, 2008 10:56 PM

I will say again, he's great for the city, brought national attention to this team, ESPN and all, media, good for the community (the little boy who's house caught fire, helped the Katrina ecavuee's (there waiting for the bus at the armory), gives his t-shirt/shoes to the fans,didnt think he was too good to play and support the Barry Farms league, scores for schools, and exciting athlete to represent the city. Gil DC loves you!

Posted by: washingtonian | July 3, 2008 10:57 PM

This maybe for another post, but don't you think it is time for a wiz jersey retool, get a different look going like the caps did.

Posted by: roadman | July 3, 2008 10:57 PM

I take my hat off to Gilby for accepting less after he realized that he's not a max player and wouldn't be able to live up to the expectations.

But, it is still a shame that Abe Pollin had to beg Gilby to take less, not because it helps the team (fake excuse), but because his cheap @ss didn't want to lose out on his lux tax welfare check."

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 3, 2008 10:41 PM

It took you three hours after this entry was posted to think of some insult to hurl at Arenas in the face of him proving everything you predicted the situation to be as wrong as wrong could be and that's the best you could come up with?

That's weak man, even for you.

Posted by: kalorama | July 3, 2008 10:59 PM

Since the NBA's current collective bargaining agreement was put in place in 1999, only five players have signed larger total contracts than Gilbert Arenas:

But there WERE others as well, before 1999...

Kevin Garnet in 1997 signed a 6-year $126 million deal that hamstrung that franchise for 6 years until he signed a 5-year $100 Million extension in 2003.

Posted by: Rook | July 3, 2008 10:59 PM

"Yeah - that cheap @ss owner, Polin...
Building two Arenas with his own money, in stead of holding the taxpayers hostage (like in Seattle).

Shelling out over 150 million dollars for the team's 2 best players to make sure they would stay and give the City a chance at a Championship.

Giving away Millions of dollars to charities.

What a scumbag cheapskate..!

Posted by: | July 3, 2008 10:48 PM "

And you are a used rubber.

As I asked before, did Abe throw his money into a black hole (not, not your mouth)?

Abe made an investment by building the VC, which is booked like 216 days/year.

It was a great decision, a business decision, so don't f'n forget it.

BTW, you're saying that Abe is not cheap b/c he's willing to shell his own money to build an arena.

Then, what's your excuse for him not willing to go over the lux tax penalty limit where he would lose out peanuts compared to the money he spent in "building the arena."

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 3, 2008 11:00 PM

But, it is still a shame that Abe Pollin had to beg Gilby to take less, not because it helps the team (fake excuse), but because his cheap @ss didn't want to lose out on his lux tax welfare check.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 3, 2008 10:41 PM

Yeah - that cheap @ss owner, Polin...
Building two Arenas with his own money, in stead of holding the taxpayers hostage (like in Seattle).

Shelling out over 150 million dollars for the team's 2 best players to make sure they would stay and give the City a chance at a Championship.

Giving away Millions of dollars to charities.

What a scumbag cheapskate..!

Posted by: | July 3, 2008 10:48 PM

remember that arenas has to beg (well not exactly beg but more like asking) mr pollin to build a billboard sign for him in front of the verizon center like 2 years ago, arenas is one of the most popular guy ever in dc and still has to beg mr pollin to do that!! that show how cheap mr pollin is!!!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | July 3, 2008 11:00 PM

These players will ALL make more money than Arenas will in the first year of his contract:

1) Kevin Garnett $22,000,000
2) Shaquille O'Neal $20,000,000
3tie) Jermaine O'Neal $19,728,000
3tie) Jason Kidd $19,728,000
5) Kobe Bryant $19,490,625
6tie) Allen Iverson $19,195,312
6tie) Stephon Marbury $19,195,312
8) Tim Duncan $19,014,188
9) Tracy McGrady $19,014,187
10tie) Baron Davis $16,440,000
10tie) Shawn Marion $16,440,000
12tie) Antawn Jamison $16,360,090
12tie) Dirk Nowitzki $16,360,090
12tie) Paul Pierce $16,360,090
15) Ray Allen $16,000,000
16) Ben Wallace $15,500,000
17) Sam Cassell $15,344,000
18) Rashard Lewis $14,884,951

And that's not including any FA signings from this year... There may be more....

Posted by: Rook | July 3, 2008 11:01 PM

Those salary figures are from 2007-08; but you get the point.

Posted by: Rook | July 3, 2008 11:01 PM

Hopefully now Coach Thompson and B Mitch will stop bashing Gilbert!

Posted by: HMT6769 | July 3, 2008 11:02 PM

And for those of you who will nit-pick and say that some of those players are making less now.... then the following players, with their 10.5% increases in 2008-09 will be making more than Arenas:

20tie) Amare Stoudemire
20tie) Yao Ming
22) Pau Gasol
23) Andrei Kirilenko
24) Mike Bibby
25) Joe Johnson

Posted by: Rook | July 3, 2008 11:03 PM

What that means, is that there will be about the 23 or 24 players making more than Arenas next year.

Posted by: Rook | July 3, 2008 11:05 PM

I will say once again, not only is Gil a great and exciting athlete for the city, he has been great for the commuity as well....helping the little boy who he saw on the news who's house caught fire (surely didnt have to do that), bought food and materials for the Katrina victims (waited for the bus too arrive and all), participated and helped the Barry Farms Summer League, once again great for the community, scores for schools, seems to really have embraced this area (even though he's west coast and all), and he's ok with me. And I have never seen this organization get this much attention since Jordon's return, (but I take Gilbert to be a wizard, Jordon was Chicago (Bulls).
Even if we dont win the championship, it should be exciting basketball.

Posted by: washingtonian | July 3, 2008 11:05 PM

You could pass to that line up all night and only get 6 assists a night.

Gil became what we needed. An aggressive, cocky shoot-em out type player.

All he has done is help build a franchise that has gone to the playoffs 4 consecutive times. (pause) FOR THE FIRST TIME IN 20 YEARS! That is no joke!

He helped create an atmosphere where FA players might actually consider playing.

He gave the fans something to be excited about.

Look we all like LH, but he was no GIl. Caron Butler is a fan favorite but didn't get league wide all-star respect until last year.

Jamison is GREAT for this team, but he doesn't have that same push Gil does.

Haywood, where have you been? He showed a LOT of improvement last season, which is to say he hadn't been a great great asset for this team in the past.

We have a young talented team that is still developing. 6 years is a long time, a lot can happen, good and bad. But people who say Gil is a virus, a cancer some nefarious character who only looks out for himself... Those folks need to take a step back, look at the WHOLE picture. What was, and what is now. How easy would it be for you to turn down money someone is giving you?

It's time to take hat in hand around here, eat a little humble pie and ratchet back the hate.

Gil is back!


Posted by: roadman | July 3, 2008 10:56 PM

yeah, u can say all u want but overall it comes down to the team record in recent year with him and how far he taken us into the playoff, and as far as i can see, he didnt do none of the above. the record speaks for itself no matter u said how great a player he is and hes no lebron or kobe

Posted by: ak47 | July 3, 2008 11:05 PM

"It took you three hours after this entry was posted to think of some insult to hurl at Arenas in the face of him proving everything you predicted the situation to be as wrong as wrong could be and that's the best you could come up with?

That's weak man, even for you.

Posted by: kalorama | July 3, 2008 10:59 PM "

Sorry dipsh!t...I just logged on less than about 1/2 hour ago...

And, I said this "insult" even before Gilby signed, that it was cheap of Abe to offer the max, but then Gilby to accept less because it "prevents" then from signing anyone else.

It all goes back to EJ's infamous words:

"On a larger scale, Jordan wants to win now. Like any coach who signed a two-year extension with a team option for the third year last summer, the continuity line gets old.

"But I understand Mr. Pollin's standpoint," Jordan said. "We want to stay within a certain budget for the Washington Wizards. We're not going to be like four or five or six other teams that can do anything it takes to win. Those are decisions we made within the organization. It doesn't bother me. There are times when you say, 'How come we can't get this guy?' But then you say, 'These are the parameters the organization has set.' ""

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 3, 2008 11:06 PM

Now that they can use the full MLE without concern for the lux tax, I would expect re-signing Mason to be the next bit of news out of the Phone Booth. And while I'm fine with Mason coming back, (and I'm not real high on Duke players on teams I root for) they should think about making a run at Maggette. An athletic, dynamic scoring two who attacks the basket would be a nice addition.

"Corey Maggette (28 y/o, 22.1 ppg, 5.6 rpg) -- Was his shameless gunning this past season a result of being in a contract year, a necessary evil with the Clippers not having Elton Brand's offense for 70-plus games, or just a reflection of what a team is gonna get if it signs Maggette?"

Shameless gunning? Maggette shot 46% from the field, 38% from three, 81% from the line, and got to the line about 10 times per game. I'll take that kind of gunning on my team any day.

Posted by: kalorama | July 3, 2008 11:08 PM

Then, what's your excuse for him not willing to go over the lux tax penalty limit where he would lose out peanuts compared to the money he spent in "building the arena."

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 3, 2008 11:00 PM
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I didn't make the original argument. However, I do want to chime in; Grunfeld said last year (probably echoing Pollin's thoughts) that they didn't want to cross the luxury tax threshold for a 14th roster guy (like a Mike Wilks, had he signed a rest-of-the year contract), there was no difference maker that we could have SIGNED during February last year. Sure we could have traded for one, but other than Jamison's expiring contract or Butler, we didn't have anyone that was worth trading & receiving equal value. This time last year, the team looked to be solid, with the 5 players returning, Etan, Blatche, AD, & Songalia on the bench and the pups (Young, Pesh, D-Mac), so this time last year, our roster looked filled, but then Caron missed 20+ games, Gil missed 60+ games, it was too late to make any moves that would really help the team.

There's a chance to add a difference maker this off-season with the possibility of going over the luxury tax limit, let's see what happens and what player we get for that extra spot or two left on the roster, then we'll see if Pollin's intent was to avoid the tax. If so, it made no sense for Pollin to offer the max to Gil or $50M to Jamison...

Posted by: CN | July 3, 2008 11:09 PM

Now that they can use the full MLE without concern for the lux tax, I would expect re-signing Mason to be the next bit of news out of the Phone Booth. And while I'm fine with Mason coming back, (and I'm not real high on Duke players on teams I root for) they should think about making a run at Maggette. An athletic, dynamic scoring two who attacks the basket would be a nice addition.

"Corey Maggette (28 y/o, 22.1 ppg, 5.6 rpg) -- Was his shameless gunning this past season a result of being in a contract year, a necessary evil with the Clippers not having Elton Brand's offense for 70-plus games, or just a reflection of what a team is gonna get if it signs Maggette?"

Shameless gunning? Maggette shot 46% from the field, 38% from three, 81% from the line, and got to the line about 10 times per game. I'll take that kind of gunning on my team any day.

Posted by: kalorama | July 3, 2008 11:08 PM

in order to have a chance to resign maggette, u need to have a FULL MIDLEVEL exception which we didn't (we only got half of that left)

Posted by: Anonymous | July 3, 2008 11:10 PM

Then, what's your excuse for him not willing to go over the lux tax penalty limit where he would lose out peanuts compared to the money he spent in "building the arena."

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 3, 2008 11:00 PM

He's not cheap - - - but he's also not STUPID!

Until there's a player out there that is WORTH going over the Luxury Tax... a player that will help the team get to the Conference Finals, or the Championship game - a real difference maker - a player that can be signed within the RULES of the CBA using an Exception - Then there's no reason to go over the Luxury Tax...

Unlike you, Abe Polin understands that signing Sun Ming Ming or Kobe Karl and going over the Luxury Tax would be a STUPID MOVE...

Posted by: Rook | July 3, 2008 11:10 PM

Then, what's your excuse for him not willing to go over the lux tax penalty limit where he would lose out peanuts compared to the money he spent in "building the arena."

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 3, 2008 11:00 PM

He's not cheap - - - but he's also not STUPID!

Until there's a player out there that is WORTH going over the Luxury Tax... a player that will help the team get to the Conference Finals, or the Championship game - a real difference maker - a player that can be signed within the RULES of the CBA using an Exception - Then there's no reason to go over the Luxury Tax...

Unlike you, Abe Polin understands that signing Sun Ming Ming or Kobe Karl and going over the Luxury Tax would be a STUPID MOVE...

Posted by: Rook | July 3, 2008 11:10 PM

"And, I said this "insult" even before Gilby signed, that it was cheap of Abe to offer the max, but then Gilby to accept less because it "prevents" then from signing anyone else."

Which, of course, makes absolutely no sense.

Posted by: kalorama | July 3, 2008 11:11 PM


From the espn.com article:

Arenas has averaged 22.8 points, 5.5 assists and 4.2 rebounds in his seven-season NBA career.

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Gilby's assist/dime numbers are putrid. Rebound numbers are even worse.

Posted by: Baller4Life | July 3, 2008 11:11 PM

I just want to be traded to the wiz and play with my college buddies. The nets will gladly take back a poet whose contract is coming due in the year of lebron

Posted by: Vince Carter | July 3, 2008 11:12 PM

"in order to have a chance to resign maggette, u need to have a FULL MIDLEVEL exception which we didn't (we only got half of that left)"

They didn't have to use any of the MLE to sign Arenas or Jamison or McGee. So unless they've signed some FA in the las couple of days that hasn't been announced yet, they have the whole MLE available to them.

Posted by: kalorama | July 3, 2008 11:14 PM

Despite what others have posted, re-signing Gilbert has nothing to do with him being a critical link to a championship and everything with putting butts in the seats and selling Wizards gear for the organization. Abe Pollin is a businessman first and foremost and knows that Gilbert will make him far more money that he takes. We can only pray that the other guys on the team play hard and learn how to win with/despite Gil. Gil could be an excellent piece of the puzzle if he could be convinced that true franchise players give it to you on both ends of the court.

Posted by: Firuz | July 3, 2008 11:16 PM

I just want to be traded to the wiz and play with my college buddies. The nets will gladly take back a poet whose contract is coming due in the year of lebron

Posted by: Vince Carter | July 3, 2008 11:12 PM
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Hey buddy, thanks for joining the blog, correct me if I'm wrong, but YOUR contract is coming off the books the year of LeTravel, so hope you're getting comfy with the Seacaucus outlet stores b/c you're a space saver there until the big offer is made to LeTravel...

Posted by: CN | July 3, 2008 11:18 PM

I think this is a terrible move. EG has ruined the team for the next 6 years. I bet we give up over 100 ppg now that gilly is back. Should have used our money wisely and built around caron. This team simply isnt a contender....not even close.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 3, 2008 11:20 PM

From the espn.com article:

Arenas has averaged 22.8 points, 5.5 assists and 4.2 rebounds in his seven-season NBA career.

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Gilby's assist/dime numbers are putrid. Rebound numbers are even worse.

Your lack of knowledge is showing.

4.2 rpg for a PG is a damn good number. Rajon Rondo averaged 4.2 rpg this season and was 20th among all guards in rebounding. Not all PGs, but all guards, PERIOD.

He was 3rd among PGs, (4th if you consider Monta Ellis a PG, which he really isn't).

Posted by: kalorama | July 3, 2008 11:22 PM

"They didn't have to use any of the MLE to sign Arenas or Jamison or McGee. So unless they've signed some FA in the las couple of days that hasn't been announced yet, they have the whole MLE available to them."

Wrong...we used part of it to sign gil. If he took the whole 127 mil we would have had no room to sign anyone the roster would have been set.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 3, 2008 11:24 PM

"Wrong...we used part of it to sign gil. If he took the whole 127 mil we would have had no room to sign anyone the roster would have been set."

You have no idea what you are talking about. You are absolutely wrong all over the place. The Wizards didn't use 1 dime of the MLE to sign Arenas because they have his Bird rights, which means they can exceed the salary cap by any amount to re-sign him.

Posted by: kalorama | July 3, 2008 11:27 PM

just want to be traded to the wiz and play with my college buddies. The nets will gladly take back a poet whose contract is coming due in the year of lebron

Posted by: Vince Carter | July 3, 2008 11:12 PM


A Trade of Darius Songaila + Etan Thomas + Deshawn Stevenson for Vince Carter works salary wise....

Posted by: Rook | July 3, 2008 11:29 PM

"Despite what others have posted, re-signing Gilbert has nothing to do with him being a critical link to a championship and everything with putting butts in the seats and selling Wizards gear for the organization."

If that were really all Pollin cared about, he wouldn't have kicked Jordan to the curb.

Posted by: kalorama | July 3, 2008 11:30 PM

"All he has done is help build a franchise that has gone to the playoffs 4 consecutive times. (pause) FOR THE FIRST TIME IN 20 YEARS! That is no joke!

He helped create an atmosphere where FA players might actually consider playing.

Posted by: roadman | July 3, 2008 10:56 PM "

What planet are you from?

When did Gilby become GM to build this franchise?

The only GM move Gilby made was to say that he will have no influence on the player personnel decisions, but then tell management that they need to sign DS.

Yeah, DS.

Which FA's have voluntarily signed since Gilby arrived? AB?

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 3, 2008 11:30 PM

"Wrong...we used part of it to sign gil. If he took the whole 127 mil we would have had no room to sign anyone the roster would have been set."

You have no idea what you are talking about. You are absolutely wrong all over the place. The Wizards didn't use 1 dime of the MLE to sign Arenas because they have his Bird rights, which means they can exceed the salary cap by any amount to re-sign him.

Posted by: kalorama | July 3, 2008 11:27 PM

well thats not mean who post this comment.

Posted by: ak47 | July 3, 2008 11:30 PM

"You have no idea what you are talking about. You are absolutely wrong all over the place. The Wizards didn't use 1 dime of the MLE to sign Arenas because they have his Bird rights, which means they can exceed the salary cap by any amount to re-sign him."

I'll take a real analysts word over urs. Hollinger said himself if we signed gil to 127 the team would be capped out and wouldnt be able to sign anyone with the mle.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 3, 2008 11:31 PM

I'm glad, and Gil kept his word about signing for less if we kept Antawn.

Some people here are so down on the team. We didn't have the best team in the league for the last 3-4 years, but we did have a very good one.

We are not getting worse, either, because we just made the playoffs again with Gil injured and took 3 of 4 reg. season games from the eventual champ Boston.

Our starters are better than ever with Caron and the bench has filled out nicely with some real tough characters like Songaila, AD, and Mason.

Why do we have to get rid of Mason anyway? Why does having (and liking) Young mean that we shouldn't sign Mason?

Otherwise, I agree with almost everything that has been said here.

Posey is the free agent guy we need. He adds a real defensive ethic, he's got heart, veteran savvy, and he can shoot it too.

Also, don't forget that he rebounds the ball very aggressively when he has to.

Until McGuire develops, we could sure use a guy like James Posey.

The thing we've been missing most, besides just generally playing better defense, is a strong, aggressive physical player with strong hands who can operate against big guys with confidence.

That's our main weakness; all our bigs are finesse guys, not strong physical guys WITH SKILLS.

I know Haywood isn't a starter for a championship team, and if McGee is a significant upgrade, then all of a sudden we could be 5-10 games better than we were the last 4 years.

Brand would probably mean 12-15 games.

All the other pieces are there, or would be if Posey were added.

I just can't forget the things Mason did last year. He looked a lot like Chauncy Billups at times, getting his own jumper at will when needed, and driving to keep defenders honest.

If Ernie's as good as I think he is, he'll find a way to keep the main weapons we have, and add Posey too.

So far, so good. Go Wiz!

Posted by: Tom deSabla | July 3, 2008 11:32 PM

Hey buddy, thanks for joining the blog, correct me if I'm wrong, but YOUR contract is coming off the books the year of LeTravel, so hope you're getting comfy with the Seacaucus outlet stores b/c you're a space saver there until the big offer is made to LeTravel...

Posted by: CN | July 3, 2008 11:18 PM

Uh - no... Vince Carter's contract runs through 2011...

New Jersey will be looking to move Vince Carter for expiring contracts... Contracts that expire in 2010 - like Etan Thomas's contract... and Antonio Daniels' contract...

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/new_jersey.htm

Posted by: Rook | July 3, 2008 11:33 PM

RE: Vince Carter
Hey buddy, thanks for joining the blog, correct me if I'm wrong, but YOUR contract is coming off the books the year of LeTravel, so hope you're getting comfy with the Seacaucus outlet stores b/c you're a space saver there until the big offer is made to LeTravel...

Posted by: CN | July 3, 2008 11:18 PM
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My apologies to Vinsanity & the great city of Seacacus (sp), looks like Vince Carter's contract expires after 2010-11 with a team option for 2011-2012 for $18M.

The Nets would have to take a whole bunch of crap back have VC be traded here, something like Etan, AD, & DS for Vince & Marcus Williams (since we would need a PG). The Nets would be getting a whole bunch of nothing for a team that's rebuilding, though they do get an extra $16M+ afer the '09-10 season to go after the Crybaby. Yes, this post came out of nowhere & is completely irrelevant, we have Vince Carter himself to thank...

Posted by: CN | July 3, 2008 11:33 PM

Blah .. blah ... blah.

The Wizards did not use any of the MLE to sign Arenas. Period. They couldn't have used it even if they wanted to.

Posted by: kalorama | July 3, 2008 11:33 PM

Uh - no... Vince Carter's contract runs through 2011...

New Jersey will be looking to move Vince Carter for expiring contracts... Contracts that expire in 2010 - like Etan Thomas's contract... and Antonio Daniels' contract...

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/new_jersey.htm

Posted by: Rook | July 3, 2008 11:33 PM
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Dammit Rook, I know I'm wrong, and I say I'm wrong (I was typing my "retraction" as you were calling me out), you're quick to the gun, got me again...

Posted by: CN | July 3, 2008 11:34 PM

"Now that they can use the full MLE without concern for the lux tax, I would expect re-signing Mason to be the next bit of news out of the Phone Booth. And while I'm fine with Mason coming back, (and I'm not real high on Duke players on teams I root for) they should think about making a run at Maggette. An athletic, dynamic scoring two who attacks the basket would be a nice addition.

"Corey Maggette (28 y/o, 22.1 ppg, 5.6 rpg) -- Was his shameless gunning this past season a result of being in a contract year, a necessary evil with the Clippers not having Elton Brand's offense for 70-plus games, or just a reflection of what a team is gonna get if it signs Maggette?"

Shameless gunning? Maggette shot 46% from the field, 38% from three, 81% from the line, and got to the line about 10 times per game. I'll take that kind of gunning on my team any day.

Posted by: kalorama | July 3, 2008 11:08 PM "

LMAO.

If Maggete signs here, he won't get another contract above the MLE ever again.

Why?

Because his current 22.1 average could drop in half to 11 pts/game to go along with Gilby, Caron, and AJ.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 3, 2008 11:34 PM

4.2 rpg for a PG is a damn good number. Rajon Rondo averaged 4.2 rpg this season and was 20th among all guards in rebounding. Not all PGs, but all guards, PERIOD.

Posted by: kalorama | July 3, 2008 11:22 PM

Stay off the crack. If 4.2 RPG gets Rondo a 20th ranking for ALL Guards....that is quite putrid..near the bottom of the rung.

I can get 4.2 RPG in my sleep.

Posted by: Baller4Life | July 3, 2008 11:36 PM

"I didn't make the original argument. However, I do want to chime in; Grunfeld said last year (probably echoing Pollin's thoughts) that they didn't want to cross the luxury tax threshold for a 14th roster guy (like a Mike Wilks, had he signed a rest-of-the year contract), there was no difference maker that we could have SIGNED during February last year. Sure we could have traded for one, but other than Jamison's expiring contract or Butler, we didn't have anyone that was worth trading & receiving equal value. This time last year, the team looked to be solid, with the 5 players returning, Etan, Blatche, AD, & Songalia on the bench and the pups (Young, Pesh, D-Mac), so this time last year, our roster looked filled, but then Caron missed 20+ games, Gil missed 60+ games, it was too late to make any moves that would really help the team.

There's a chance to add a difference maker this off-season with the possibility of going over the luxury tax limit, let's see what happens and what player we get for that extra spot or two left on the roster, then we'll see if Pollin's intent was to avoid the tax. If so, it made no sense for Pollin to offer the max to Gil or $50M to Jamison...

Posted by: CN | July 3, 2008 11:09 PM "

EG's argument to Gilby last week was that he should take less so that they can sign someone to help this team. They've been looking at guys like Posey.

Posey isn't going to be your 14th/15th man on the team. And, as Ivan said, the team has no interest in going over the cap.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 3, 2008 11:37 PM

I'll take a real analysts word over urs. Hollinger said himself if we signed gil to 127 the team would be capped out and wouldnt be able to sign anyone with the mle.

Posted by: | July 3, 2008 11:31 PM

Hollinger is a boob... and if you actually knew anything about the Salary Cap, the Luxury Tax or the Exceptions; you would know that the Wizards still have their FULL Mid-Level Exception (approx $5.9 Million) and their FULL Low-Level Exception (approx $1.9 Million) that allows them to sign players EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE OVER THE SALARY CAP.

If the Wizards exceed the Luxury Tax they would have to pay a dollar-for-dollar tax for each dollar that exceeds the threshold.

By most calculations (and the calculations are based on estimates that the Lux Tax this year will be $71 Million - it has NOT been set yet - That number will be coming out on Tuesday next week) - by most calculations, the Wizards have about $2.4 - $2.6 Million to spend before they hit the Luxury Tax....

But THEY CAN SPEND ALL OF THE MLE AND ALL OF THE LLE and go over the tax, if they so desire.

Posted by: Rook | July 3, 2008 11:39 PM

"Stay off the crack. If 4.2 RPG gets Rondo a 20th ranking for ALL Guards....that is quite putrid..near the bottom of the rung."

You're a moron. There are 180 guards in the NBA total. And between the two positions (PG and SG) there are 60 starters.

Bottom of the rung?

Jesus, where do these people come from?

Posted by: kalorama | July 3, 2008 11:40 PM

Blah .. blah ... blah.

The Wizards did not use any of the MLE to sign Arenas. Period. They couldn't have used it even if they wanted to.

Posted by: kalorama | July 3, 2008 11:33 PM

just accept that u r wrong and move on

Posted by: ak47 | July 3, 2008 11:41 PM

"Unlike you, Abe Polin understands that signing Sun Ming Ming or Kobe Karl and going over the Luxury Tax would be a STUPID MOVE...

Posted by: Rook | July 3, 2008 11:10 PM "

Dipsh!t 2.

Did I say that Abe should sign Sun Ming Ming?

I said EG should bring some bodies in to VC to see if they can help the team. Work some f#ckers out and see what they can do. I said a darn plane ticket and a night's stay at Motel 69 would be all it would cost.

I didn't say to sign any f#ckers outright!

Therefore, rook, stop pulling sh!t out of your ass, again.

Of course Abe doesn't give a sh!t. He will collect his tax welfare and could care less that his employees are running themselves ragged and getting hurt being undermanned. It's a classic plantation owner tactic.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 3, 2008 11:41 PM

Dammit Rook, I know I'm wrong, and I say I'm wrong (I was typing my "retraction" as you were calling me out), you're quick to the gun, got me again...

Posted by: CN | July 3, 2008 11:34 PM

LOL - Kalorama usually catches my mistakes...

Posted by: Rook | July 3, 2008 11:41 PM

Yeah, I don't get this Maggette -Carter stuff.

We don't need scorers on this team; we already have three of the best in the business.

Any one of the three can put up 40 or 50 at will, and they are also very unselfish and work well together.

It's our weaknesses that must be shored up, and neither Carter nor Maggette addresses a weakness on this team.

Posted by: Tom deSabla | July 3, 2008 11:42 PM

Did I say that Abe should sign Sun Ming Ming?

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 3, 2008 11:41 PM


Yes - you did...

Posted by: Rook | July 3, 2008 11:43 PM

"Abe made an investment by building the VC, which is booked like 216 days/year.

It was a great decision, a business decision, so don't f'n forget it.

BTW, you're saying that Abe is not cheap b/c he's willing to shell his own money to build an arena.

Then, what's your excuse for him not willing to go over the lux tax penalty limit where he would lose out peanuts compared to the money he spent in "building the arena."

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 3, 2008 11:00 PM"

What an utter TOOL this DC idiot is!!! Abe Pollin built the Phone Booth with his own money - and should make a profit from it - especially since the arrival of the Phone Booth in Chinatown totally rejuvenated that area. It was pretty much a scary wasteland but now is filled with restaurants, bars, condos, movie theaters, even a bowling alley. Pretty much all due to Abe Pollin & The VC.

Of course the idiot is probably unaware of that since he never leaves home.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 3, 2008 11:43 PM

""And, I said this "insult" even before Gilby signed, that it was cheap of Abe to offer the max, but then Gilby to accept less because it "prevents" then from signing anyone else."

Which, of course, makes absolutely no sense.

Posted by: kalorama | July 3, 2008 11:11 PM "

Are you dense?

So why did EG/Pollin offer the max but asked him to take less so that they can have more flexibility?

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 3, 2008 11:43 PM

"just accept that u r wrong and move on"

Wonderful. Another mental midget heard from. It's amazing how people can come here every day and read the facts about this stuff and still not have a single iota of it penetrate.

Posted by: kalorama | July 3, 2008 11:43 PM

"So why did EG/Pollin offer the max but asked him to take less so that they can have more flexibility?"

Hmmm ... let me take a wild guess ... could it have been because he wanted Grunfeld to ...
have more flexibility?

Posted by: kalorama | July 3, 2008 11:44 PM

"It's our weaknesses that must be shored up, and neither Carter nor Maggette addresses a weakness on this team."

Untrue. Maggette addresses a weakness this team has had for years ... a reliable, dynamic scorer coming off the bench who can manufacture offense and help carry the load when one or more of the big 3 are having off nights.

Posted by: kalorama | July 3, 2008 11:47 PM

Good golly miss dolly, Gilby's back!

No shaving my legs tonight!!!

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 3, 2008 11:47 PM

"If that were really all Pollin cared about, he wouldn't have kicked Jordan to the curb.

Posted by: kalorama | July 3, 2008 11:30 PM "

Sorry, you're wrong again.

Abe kicked MJ to the curb after MJ played 2 years and was ready to go back to fiberboard (not mahogany) row.

MJ being in the office, would have done nothing for putting butts in seats nevermind the fact that he wouldn't have been around much to begin with.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 3, 2008 11:47 PM

Wait a minute, did someone just say that it is possible that we could just go over this tax thingie anyway, and sign a big free agent? Someone like maybe Elton Brand?

Is that what I just heard?

Posted by: Tom deSabla | July 3, 2008 11:47 PM

Posted by: Sun Ming Ming Reference | July 3, 2008 11:49 PM

"Hmmm ... let me take a wild guess ... could it have been because he wanted Grunfeld to ...
have more flexibility?

Posted by: kalorama | July 3, 2008 11:44 PM "

Duh dipsh1t, you finally got it!

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 3, 2008 11:51 PM

i love you gilbert

Posted by: GRAHAM | July 3, 2008 11:52 PM

Wait a minute, did someone just say that it is possible that we could just go over this tax thingie anyway, and sign a big free agent? Someone like maybe Elton Brand?

Is that what I just heard?

Yeah - if Elton Brand would take $5.9 million (the FULL MLE) to play for the Wizards... NOT HAPPENING!

But I guarantee that if Elton Brand said he wanted to play here for $5.9 Million, Ernie Gunfeld and Abe Polin would sign him in a heartbeat - even though it would mean going over the Luxury Tax.

Posted by: Rook | July 3, 2008 11:52 PM

"Maggette addresses a weakness this team has had for years ... a reliable, dynamic scorer coming off the bench who can manufacture offense and help carry the load when one or more of the big 3 are having off nights."

Isn't that what Mason and Young did for us, and for much cheaper?

Maybe I'm missing something here, but I thought that Maggette would want to start if he came here, and also make lots of money and shoot the ball a lot.

He is a 22 a game scorer, right?

Guys like Posey don't care about that stuff at all.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 3, 2008 11:52 PM

"DC Fags Sun Ming Ming Pick 3

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/wizardsinsider/2007/11/pesh_out_for_six_weeks.html

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/wizardsinsider/2007/10/live_from_altanta.html

http://news.myspace.com/sportsteams/washingtonwizards/item/18264035

Posted by: Sun Ming Ming Reference | July 3, 2008 11:49 PM "

That's the problem with typing on this blog. Sarcasm does not come across well especially when you have nit pickers like mutt boy.

Signing Sun Ming Ming would have made it a zoo for this organization (like Manute Bol/Muggsy Bogues). I would have loved it.

If you took me seriously that I wanted to have Sun Ming Ming signed, then you're more gullible than I thought.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 3, 2008 11:54 PM

"MJ being in the office, would have done nothing for putting butts in seats nevermind the fact that he wouldn't have been around much to begin with."

And, once again, you manage to be egregiously wrong and miss the point entirely. (Shocking, I know)

By publicly dissing a beloved worldwide sports icon, Pollin cost himself money by kicking off a PR disaster that a bad team in desperate need of every motivating factor it could get could ill-afford. He alienated plenty of potential paying customers who were angry at how he handled Jordan and, given that the team sucked, took it as the straw that broke the camels back when it came time to decide whether to spend their money on the Wiz. Obviously attendance would have fallen off anyway with Jordan not suiting up, but the way he tossed MJ overboard certainly cost him even more money (to say nothing of lost revenue from those leftover MJ jerseys that no one would be buying).

Posted by: kalorama | July 3, 2008 11:54 PM

At least if they sign someone like James Lang or Sun Ming Ming, they can provide 6 fouls and at least a couple of boards. Where the heck is Reuben Boumtjie Boumtjie?

Posted by: DC Man88 | October 22, 2007 10:45 PM


Caught lying again...

Posted by: Rook | July 3, 2008 11:55 PM

"Isn't that what Mason and Young did for us, and for much cheaper?"

Not even close.

Posted by: kalorama | July 3, 2008 11:55 PM

Kudos Gilbert! The action and the words do say a lot and maybe, just maybe you are maturing. I especially like that he understands the vestment Abe has and continues to make in him as both an athlete and a person. Feels a little like, "It's a Wonderful Life" right now.

So now that everybody has been paid and we are all warm and fuzzy...let's put it into gear and kick the crap out of the east this year! ...ya know when the season starts... months from now, wish it was tomorrow.

Posted by: Dr. Strangelove | July 3, 2008 11:56 PM

If you took me seriously that I wanted to have Sun Ming Ming signed, then you're more gullible than I thought.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 3, 2008 11:54 PM

Drat - missed again... stop moving that target...

Posted by: Rook | July 3, 2008 11:56 PM

If you took me seriously that I wanted to have Sun Ming Ming signed, then you're more gullible than I thought.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 3, 2008 11:54 PM

Drat - missed again... stop moving that target...

Posted by: Rook | July 3, 2008 11:56 PM

Rook - thanks for the education!

Posted by: Tom deSabla | July 3, 2008 11:56 PM

"Duh dipsh1t, you finally got it!"

Unreal. You're shoveling bullsh*t out at such a rate you can't even keep it straight anymore.

Posted by: kaloram | July 3, 2008 11:57 PM

"Untrue. Maggette addresses a weakness this team has had for years ... a reliable, dynamic scorer coming off the bench who can manufacture offense and help carry the load when one or more of the big 3 are having off nights.

Posted by: kalorama | July 3, 2008 11:47 PM "

Are you on crack dipsh!t?

Kalorama is wrong again.

Did you just say that Maggette would sign here to come off the bench?

Maggette started 65 of 70 games last season.

And you railed on me about trading artest for 2 bench warmers and a guy who could be out of the league in a few years.

There are no 22 pt scoring f@ckers who are going to sign here to come off no stinkin' bench. And, Maggette is a SF, not a SG.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 4, 2008 12:00 AM

"Unreal. You're shoveling bullsh*t out at such a rate you can't even keep it straight anymore.

Posted by: kaloram | July 3, 2008 11:57 PM "

Keep telling everybody how MJ as GM would have kept putting butts in seats. I dare you.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 4, 2008 12:01 AM

Maggette's played the majority of his career off the bench , so it's not like he's unused to the role. The only reason he started as many games as he did last season (65) was because of injuries.

Posted by: kalorama | July 4, 2008 12:01 AM

Unreal. You're shoveling bullsh*t out at such a rate you can't even keep it straight anymore.

Posted by: kaloram | July 3, 2008 11:57 PM "

I think u r the one who cant get it straight cause u even spell ur name wrong

Posted by: gilby | July 4, 2008 12:04 AM

Unreal. You're shoveling bullsh*t out at such a rate you can't even keep it straight anymore.

Posted by: kaloram | July 3, 2008 11:57 PM "

I think u r the one who cant get it straight cause u even spell ur name wrong

Posted by: gilby | July 4, 2008 12:04 AM

Unreal. You're shoveling bullsh*t out at such a rate you can't even keep it straight anymore.

Posted by: kaloram | July 3, 2008 11:57 PM "

I think u r the one who cant get it straight cause u even spell ur name wrong

Posted by: gilby | July 4, 2008 12:04 AM

Unreal. You're shoveling bullsh*t out at such a rate you can't even keep it straight anymore.

Posted by: kaloram | July 3, 2008 11:57 PM "

I think u r the one who cant get it straight cause u even spell ur name wrong

Posted by: gilby | July 4, 2008 12:05 AM

Good golly miss dolly, Gilby's back!

No shaving my legs tonight!!!

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 3, 2008 11:47 PM

Having fun, Lisa?

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 4, 2008 12:05 AM

,I>"I think u r the one who cant get it straight cause u even spell ur name wrong"

Yeah. Thanks for sharing that penetrating bit of wisdom. The world is a better place for it.

Posted by: kalorma | July 4, 2008 12:09 AM

"Maggette's played the majority of his career off the bench , so it's not like he's unused to the role. The only reason he started as many games as he did last season (65) was because of injuries.

Posted by: kalorama | July 4, 2008 12:01 AM "

Weak and wrong as usual. Keeping making stuff up.

Maggette has started 61.7% (364/589) of the games he has played in his career.

Since 02-03, he has started 78% (298/380) of the games he's played in.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/stats?playerId=497

EG will tell Maggette that he wants to sign him to come off the bench and Maggette will tell EG and you to kiss his stinky @ss.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 4, 2008 12:10 AM

"I think u r the one who cant get it straight cause u even spell ur name wrong"

Yeah. Thanks for sharing that penetrating bit of wisdom. The world is a better place for it.

Posted by: kalrmor | July 4, 2008 12:10 AM

"I think u r the one who cant get it straight cause u even spell ur name wrong"

Yeah. Thanks for sharing that penetrating bit of wisdom. The world is a better place for it.

Posted by: kalrmarma | July 4, 2008 12:11 AM

I>"I think u r the one who cant get it straight cause u even spell ur name wrong"

Yeah. Thanks for sharing that penetrating bit of wisdom. The world is a better place for it.

Posted by: kalorma | July 4, 2008 12:09 AM

Oops, she did it again!

Posted by: Again? | July 4, 2008 12:12 AM

There, I did it a few more times. Go have yourself a party.

Posted by: kalorama | July 4, 2008 12:12 AM

,I>"I think u r the one who cant get it straight cause u even spell ur name wrong"

Yeah. Thanks for sharing that penetrating bit of wisdom. The world is a better place for it.

Posted by: kalorma | July 4, 2008 12:09 AM

u r welcome.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 4, 2008 12:18 AM

Ivan Carter's article about the Arenas negotiations and Arenas's subsequent decision to sign is very informative.

I especially like the quotes about Polin calling him the face of the Wizards; and that he knows he has a "fine young man representing me, this organization and the city of Washington to the fullest".

I also like the fact that Arenas really wants a Championship: "I want to win a championship here in D.C. I want to have a parade that goes right past the White House." ...... "How cool would that be? I really think that with the players we already have and with a couple of moves, we can do it."

Thanks Ivan for some great inside stuff.

Posted by: Rook | July 4, 2008 12:22 AM

That's so sweet and gives you a warm and fuzzy feeling inside...don't it? I'm glad you believe everything Abe tells you.

I know Abe is ill now, but I wonder if his eyes are affected. I wonder if Abe would have said the same thing:

"I asked Arenas last month what he thought the Wizards had to do to appease his wishes. He wouldn't campaign for the Wizards to acquire certain players, but he did say, "If you want a championship, you got to get a championship team."

He added: "I know this might not sound right, but the championship teams treat themselves like champions. You go into Miami's locker room, I'm like, 'Wow, what the hell is this?' Everything from their game-day meals for their players to every state-of-the-art thing you can imagine. As a player, why would you want to leave the locker room? I could sit there all day.

"We've been doing a better job, but it comes down to this: You treat your players like champions, they want to be champions," he added. "All the best teams in the league treat themselves first-class every day. Other players come over and think, 'They got this, they got that. Oh, I want to be here.' "

Whether Arenas was telling Abe Pollin and Ernie Grunfeld to upgrade the Wizards' facilities is up for debate. But he was clearly illustrating how the defending champions take care of their players. How the Wizards interpret Arenas's words gets to the issue of how much leverage stars have in this league."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/24/AR2007042402488.html

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 4, 2008 12:33 AM

"I especially like the quotes about Polin calling him the face of the Wizards; and that he knows he has a "fine young man representing me, this organization and the city of Washington to the fullest"."

LMAO!

I guess Abe doesn't have Laura Govan on his speed dial.

I wonder if Abe, the pillar of this community, will help this "fine young man and face of the franchise" evade a subpoena again the next time Laura sends someone to serve him with one.

Probably.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 4, 2008 12:41 AM

"I especially like the quotes about Polin calling him the face of the Wizards; and that he knows he has a "fine young man representing me, this organization and the city of Washington to the fullest"."

LMAO!

I guess Abe doesn't have Laura Govan on his speed dial.

I wonder if Abe, the pillar of this community, will help this "fine young man and face of the franchise" evade a subpoena again the next time Laura sends someone to serve him with one.

Probably.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 4, 2008 12:41 AM

just chill man, its already late, we can talk bout it tomorrow aight?

Posted by: Anonymous | July 4, 2008 12:45 AM

HOLY SHYT!!! Coach Thompson is DCMan88.

Posted by: B-Mitch | July 4, 2008 12:50 AM

"just chill man, its already late, we can talk bout it tomorrow aight?

Posted by: | July 4, 2008 12:45 AM "

WTF are you?

Go get your binky and your warm milk and dream pleasant thoughts. Then wake up to reality.

Posted by: DC Mann88 | July 4, 2008 12:50 AM

that proves there is a pay check for the class clown! arenas and portis and bush! this goes against everthing i was taught!

Posted by: ewwsombra | July 4, 2008 12:52 AM

B-Mitch is my Bytch!!!

Posted by: Coach Thompson | July 4, 2008 12:52 AM

WTF are you?

Go get your binky and your warm milk and dream pleasant thoughts. Then wake up to reality.

Posted by: DC Mann88 | July 4, 2008 12:50 AM

Posted by: I cant spell my name either | July 4, 2008 12:55 AM

I hate Gilbert. He's immature. He's a trouble maker. He's not a leader. He's not a good teammate. He doesn't play defense.

I'm on Kobe's nutz though. So what if he he's a bad teammate, he's immature, he got accused of rape, he cheated on his wife, snitched on Shaq, undermined his coach. I will continue to defend. He's no where near as bad as someone like Gilbert.

I'm on Iverson's ballz too. So what if he's a bad teammate, he's immature, had gun & drug charges, cheated on his wife. I know he doesn't play defense either, but I still hate Gilbert!

Posted by: Coach Thompson | July 4, 2008 12:58 AM

Hey everybody...I'm here to share with yall me PG education...lol

We are looking like a better team now. I can sleep at morning.

I don't know why Gil is being blamed for the Wizards' bad defense in the past when EJ doesnt have a full grasp of it. I tend to think our team defense got better since Ayers got here an not since Arenas got hurt. Let us see what Arenas and the Wiz do this year with one more year of Ayers leading the defense. I think we are looking good.

Posted by: Wayne from Bowie | July 4, 2008 12:59 AM

"I especially like the quotes about Polin calling him the face of the Wizards; and that he knows he has a "fine young man representing me, this organization and the city of Washington to the fullest"."

LMAO!

I guess Abe doesn't have Laura Govan on his speed dial.

I wonder if Abe, the pillar of this community, will help this "fine young man and face of the franchise" evade a subpoena again the next time Laura sends someone to serve him with one.

Probably.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 4, 2008 12:41 AM

How the hell do you know all of this stuff about Gilbert's private life that nobody else in the world knows about -- oh right, you made it all up to make your point.

Classy.

Posted by: Jimbo | July 4, 2008 1:03 AM

Abe has no illusions about his years remaining as an owner of the Wiz. He wants the Wizards to win it all. Assertions that his actions are motivated by a desire to make money or, good lord, manipulate his plantation workers are the product of a cynical, habitual malcontent.

This is a day for celebration for Wiz fans! Yes, a piece or two may need to be added, but there's good reason to believe it can be done. The team has an awesome big three back on board, and I believe everyone's properly motivated.

A certain poster is just not worth my time, and I will henceforth skip by his posts. There's just something wrong with the guy and I just don't want to spend my time reading the latest manifestations of his distemper.

Posted by: 7snider7 | July 4, 2008 1:13 AM

Thanks Gil, thanks Abe, thanks Antawn. I hope we have a good year ahead of us.

And thanks to Ivan for keeping everyone updated with all the news.


Posted by: rgz | July 4, 2008 1:16 AM

"How the hell do you know all of this stuff about Gilbert's private life that nobody else in the world knows about -- oh right, you made it all up to make your point.

Classy.

Posted by: Jimbo | July 4, 2008 1:03 AM "

Did you just crawl out from under a rock?

This news was reported a few years ago by the Post.

Also, you must not know anything about Gilby. If you did, then you would know that he has a blog and keeps everyone updated for those who read it.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 4, 2008 1:24 AM

"A certain poster is just not worth my time, and I will henceforth skip by his posts. There's just something wrong with the guy and I just don't want to spend my time reading the latest manifestations of his distemper.

Posted by: 7snider7 | July 4, 2008 1:13 AM "

Your time is really not worth as much as you think it is.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 4, 2008 1:25 AM

"Hey everybody...I'm here to share with yall me PG education...lol

We are looking like a better team now. I can sleep at morning.

I don't know why Gil is being blamed for the Wizards' bad defense in the past when EJ doesnt have a full grasp of it. I tend to think our team defense got better since Ayers got here an not since Arenas got hurt. Let us see what Arenas and the Wiz do this year with one more year of Ayers leading the defense. I think we are looking good.

Posted by: Wayne from Bowie | July 4, 2008 12:59 AM "

Dude, that's Pee Gee.

BTW, is Jack still sending out those "Gorgeous Prince Georges" newsletters?

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 4, 2008 1:27 AM

I may be old and in poor health, but I could still kick DC Man88's ass!

Posted by: Abe Pollin | July 4, 2008 1:32 AM

Me, too.

Posted by: Sun Ming Ming | July 4, 2008 1:35 AM

Did Vegas come out yet with the odds that Abe will live to see his Boulez win another championship?

Posted by: Irene Pollin | July 4, 2008 1:39 AM

oh HELL YEA, sir!!! Its on like a hot mutha thanks to june 08....my bullets are back in bizeasy once more.

Posted by: sir. sir? sir! | July 4, 2008 1:42 AM

I've never seen DCMan so confrontational. Perhaps it's because he was proven so enormously wrong by Gilbert taking less money.

And kal, while Magette might be a good fit, there's no way he would sign with the Wizards if he were to come off the bench. He probably things he's a starter in this league, and his numbers support that. Wizards will most likely have to look elsewhere.

Posted by: Colin | July 4, 2008 1:56 AM

I would say this falls into the category of not having many options. A default signing for all involved!

I don't feel this makes us a championship caliber team in the least unless he is much healthier than he'll likely be the rest of his career and decides to play defense. I don't see either happening!

Finally, the funniest thing to me is the whole "taking less money for the team" thing. SPARE ME! The whole thing was choreographed worse than a Britney Spears video! The Wiz could say they offered a max deal and Arenas was able to say he took less. Great...for those impressed by that swindle, I feel sorry for you!!!!

Posted by: Rob P | July 4, 2008 1:58 AM

Had Arenas agreed to sign for $100 million I would have been impressed bc that would have allowed us to extend potential stars on our team such as Nick Young or go after legit veterans to push us over the top. $16 million is just a tease!!!!

Gilbert, I have one question.

What can't you do for your family with $100 million that you can't with $126 million?

Consider you've already banked $60+ million in your career!

What a joke!

Posted by: Rob P | July 4, 2008 2:04 AM

First, why do people think ticket prices will get jacked because of this? Arenas' contract did not put the team over the luxury tax -- and if you were a season ticket holder from last year, you could renew at the exact same price so your theory is wrong.

Second, people talking about Arenas needing to be a lock down defender have no idea what they are talking about. There are almost no lock down perimeter defenders in the NBA thanks to the new rules implemented 4-5 years ago. Rondo is probably the best PG defender in the league -- C.Paul gets a ton of steals but he does not lock his guy down. There are very, very few PGs that can actually stay in front of their guy on defense. Does Arenas need to improve on defense? Yes -- but the bigger factor is the defensive presence in the paint -- Jamison does not step up to help defend but insteads reaches and ole's the guy to the basket.

This is a great move for the Wiz -- there were no other players in the market that would have made the Wiz a better team. Arenas was all NBA 2d Team a year ago (2006-2007) -- if he returns to that form, he will more than have earned his paycheck. As a point of reference, Rashard Lewis signed for $126M and has never been all NBA anything and has made fewer all-star teams and average fewer points.

Posted by: Chad | July 4, 2008 2:48 AM

Chad,

Just bc Lewis signed a great contract for him has nothing to do with Arenas.

And nobody said anything about being a lockdown defender. Any INTEREST in playing defense for Arenas would be nice!!! Besides there are perimeter defenders in the league whether you believe it or not.

We happen to be the worse perimeter defense in the league! I wonder why?

Posted by: Rob P | July 4, 2008 2:52 AM

I could just as easily say Chris Paul signed for less money than Arenas.

Who would you rather have???

Posted by: Rob P | July 4, 2008 2:54 AM

it's a good thing a guy like kevin garnett or tracy mcgrady doesn't play in DC. i'd hate to see what kind of trash would get spewed on them after one of their "subpar" postseason performances.

Posted by: psps32 | July 4, 2008 3:15 AM

I could just as easily say Chris Paul signed for less money than Arenas.

Who would you rather have???

Posted by: Rob P | July 4, 2008 2:54 AM

Chris Paul signed for the max. Arenas signed for considerably less. Just because the salary figure is higher doesn't make the contract worse. And on top of that, Arenas' exaggerated contract doesn't essentially count against the cap (or more specifically hinder our ability to sign MLE FAs). It's not coming out of your pocket, why do you care?

Posted by: psps32 | July 4, 2008 3:23 AM

Thanks Gil, see you in Berlin!

One more key piece... Pietrus has never been given the opportunity he deserves, maybe this is the time... Mason is priced out of the market and his presence won't free up time for Young... Maggette? Going to the Sixers I would bet

Then a designated three point shooter deep off the bench... a Barry boy, Michael Finley, Erik Piatkowski.

Posted by: khrabb | July 4, 2008 3:43 AM

For the first time, I am feeling sorry for DC Man88. He is getting exposed from all directions.

Posted by: arenasmvp4ever | July 4, 2008 3:44 AM

Great news! I am so glad Gil signed. And for those who say he doesn't play defense, it's never too late. And from what I read about Paul Pierce, he didn't play defense before Ray Allen and Garnett got there. And, Doc Rivers got to him and told him hed would have to change aspects of his game in order for their team to work and he did. Gil is a smart dude and I am sure him or his father has read a lot of your comments on this and other blogs, so either way he knows what has been said. I am sure now that he will probably wind up being on of the best defenders simply because YOU all said he couldn't. We all know Gil loves a challenge and doesn't back down. Give my man some time to prove his worth before crucifying him for doing what I am sure you would have done had you been in his situation. Go Gil!

Posted by: Anonymous | July 4, 2008 6:46 AM

People kill me always talking about athletes and how much money they make. Have you all ever thought about how much the owners make?? I am not mad at them for getting theirs. You all are full of horse shiggity up in here. You said he would take 127 mil and he didn't. He took less like he said he would and now you want him to take even less. Come on now, that is just plain ass crazy! I wouldn't have come down to 100 mil if I was him and would not have given a damn about what you all thought nor would I have suggested it if I were his agent. Gil did just fine and I ain't mad at him. Ya'll are just a bunch of haters! No matter what Gil does, you all ALWAYS place the blame on Gil. Go Gilbert! Can't wait to see you play next season! By the way, I AM a season ticket holder and I am GLAD he signed.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 4, 2008 6:54 AM

Also, had Gil signed with Golden State he would have made 2mil a year vs 185 mil a year over six years but he chose to stay here. So there! Yes, he stands to make more in the long run because of the extra year but he still could have taken the 2 mil and said Saynora to DC. But, he didn't. He kept his word. And now, some of you on here are still complaining. I am convinced that nothing this team does will make you happy. If we wer to win the championship, there would still be negative posts here. You all are a tough bunch to please!

Posted by: Anonymous | July 4, 2008 7:08 AM

Just wanted to throw this little nugget out there before I call it a night (from ESPN):

Since the NBA's current collective bargaining agreement was put in place in 1999, only five players have signed larger total contracts than Gilbert Arenas:

Kobe Bryant 2004 $136.4M
Jermaine O'Neal 2003 $126.6M
Rashard Lewis 2007 $126M
Chris Webber 2001 $122.7M
Tim Duncan 2003 $122M
Gilbert Arenas 2008 $111M

I still think Gil could/should have taken less.

- Ray

Posted by: Ray | July 3, 2008 10:24 PM

You did not tell us over how many years these contracts are for. The TOTAL amount is not very useful unless you also know the initial salary and the annual increases. For comparison purposes the annual salary is better.
Here is last seaons' top 25.
And one thing is true, among the top players the older they are, the more money they get because of the maximum salary table in the collective bargaining agreement.

1) Kevin Garnett $22,000,000
2) Shaquille O'Neal $20,000,000
3tie) Jermaine O'Neal $19,728,000
3tie) Jason Kidd $19,728,000
5) Kobe Bryant $19,490,625
6tie) Allen Iverson $19,195,312
6tie) Stephon Marbury $19,195,312
8) Tim Duncan $19,014,188
9) Tracy McGrady $19,014,187
10tie) Baron Davis $16,440,000
10tie) Shawn Marion $16,440,000
12tie) Antawn Jamison $16,360,090
12tie) Dirk Nowitzki $16,360,090
12tie) Paul Pierce $16,360,090
15) Ray Allen $16,000,000
16) Ben Wallace $15,500,000
17) Sam Cassell $15,344,000
18) Rashard Lewis $14,884,951
19) Michael Redd $14,520,000
20tie) Amare Stoudemire $13,762,775
20tie) Yao Ming $13,762,775
22) Pau Gasol $13,735,000
23) Andrei Kirilenko $13,725,000
24) Mike Bibby $13,500,000
25) Joe Johnson $13,488,378

Posted by: rgz | July 4, 2008 7:48 AM

the end of the wizards- arenas is highly overated and now highly overpaid. no other team even made alegit offer- that was all made up by washington press- maybe could have gotten adeal if golden loses run at brand. truly this team is not built contend for anything past 40 win status. jordan will be blamed and fired by midseason since it will be obvious to most arenas is not ateam guy or coachable. mark it down arenas lovers you are stuck in medioracy forever!

Posted by: dodjer | July 4, 2008 7:50 AM

I meant 1.85 mil a year.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 4, 2008 7:55 AM

This seems to be a more updated list:
http://hoopshype.com/salaries.htm

Posted by: rgz | July 4, 2008 8:16 AM

As much as people KILL Wes Unseld around here for his work as a GM, does anyone remember who he really, really tried to get onto the Wizards a few years back (I believe when MJ was playing)?

James Posey

Ivan, you may want to look back through the Post archives during that time for info.

I still say the Wizards should look for the next James Posey rather than the current one.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 4, 2008 8:45 AM

Ooooh Gilbert Arenas...you are next on my list!
Love
Your favorite Cougar.

Posted by: madonna | July 4, 2008 8:47 AM

Now that GA has signed, priority needs for the Wiz:
1) GA grows up and finds the courage to be a consistent team leader.
2) GA takes it upon himself to become a much better defensive player, every night.
3) AB matures and becomes a reliable 6th man off the bench to give AJ more rest.
4) Ernie fins a reliable 3 through free agency to add to the mix and give CB more rest, as the 2nd guy off the bench. Which means Abe goes over the cap this year and next.
4) NY ascends quickly, sending DSteve to the bench as a quickly as possible.
5) Eddie gets a brain transplant or Ernie replaces Eddie. Both Eddie's IQ and leadership ability must certainly rank as one of the lowest in the league. Unfortunately this change probably won't happen until the 2009-10 season.)

Posted by: oddjob | July 4, 2008 9:05 AM

I like that list...

Steve francis is making more than a LOT of better players.

Big so what... right. I say the same for Gil. Gil took a good contract, the team has room to spare and IF a good (and I mean really good) opportunity shows up we should go over the cap.

Look at that list and as a team we are down near the bottom... BUT, if we just go over the cap willy nilly for available FAs we quickly turn into the Knicks. That is not a good standpoint to begin negotiations from. Having a sensible financial policy brings more to the franchise than saving money. Here is a point a lot of simpletons miss (including Snyder) -

A well managed pay scale is a motivational necessity. Making a good move at the right time motivates a team - tells them you are willing to do what it takes BUT over spending can also undercut your current players sense of fair value from the team.

Posted by: g | July 4, 2008 9:11 AM

I love Gil and appreciate everything he's done for DC.

I dont have one little thing about his defense. Does anyone else remember a couple years ago, I think when he was "trying out" for the US Squad...didn't he say something about wanting to guard the other team's best player so he could improve his D? Whatever happened to that thinking...did he just abandon wanting to play defense?

Posted by: David | July 4, 2008 9:43 AM

I'm still alive and well. Gil's signing has me back into things again. I hope it is a reflection of a wise, maturing young man who sees the big picture. Can't wait to see summer league games in a few weeks. Unfortunately I see after taking a break from here that the blog still has the same issues.

We have to be pleased at the patience of Ernie G. The Celts victory had me afraid they would try the "buy a championship" route of the old Yankees, especially with Abe's health situation. These Celts had unique mix of players. Normally that just doesn't work. Though Abe is getting very old Ernie's plan is clearly to let the core develop into a championship team, draft wisely, let the young players get better, and not make panic moves for over-the-hill players with bad contracts. If Blatche, DMac and Young can have the same kind of summer bump that Haywood had last summer, we will be a much better team.

I think a defensive player who can get some boards on that free agent list is what we need. I need to review it again. I think that kind of player would love to come here also. You get to live in DC, you get to play in the playoffs every year, you get the potential for a ring, you could be heralded as a difference maker...I think this is an attractive place for a non-scoring, hard working player with a championship attitude.

Hey...enjoy the holiday gang...it ain't a perfect country but it beats most of the alternatives.

Posted by: BmoreRev | July 4, 2008 9:57 AM

I doubt they do this much in the NBA and I can see some downside to it, but I'd like to see some incentive clauses built into Gil's new mega-deal. Let's say a cool $250,000 bonus for averaging more than 8 assists a game and up to $500,000 for playing some clamp-down D (although I haven't a clue how you'd go about fairly measuring defense).

Posted by: mtl | July 4, 2008 10:17 AM

i bet dc man88 hasnt wake up yet, he got piss off yesterday by kororama. hasnt'seen him mad like that ever!

Posted by: kihei | July 4, 2008 10:18 AM

"And kal, while Magette might be a good fit, there's no way he would sign with the Wizards if he were to come off the bench. He probably things he's a starter in this league, and his numbers support that."

Then sign him to be the starter and move Stevenson to the bench. That works just fine, too. The point remains that he brings a dimension of athleticism and offensive aggressiveness around the basket that the Wizards don't have and need.

Posted by: kalorama | July 4, 2008 10:48 AM

"You did not tell us over how many years these contracts are for."

Oh please.

On the *average* he is accepting 2.67 mil less per year. Wow, he's such a good guy. Now maybe the Wiz can re-sign Jarvis Hayes!

Oh that's right, they still can't unless they give Jarvis the exception.

The more I think about this, the worse it looks for the Wiz. Gil should have stepped up and said: "What can I do for my family with $127 million that I can't do with $90 million?. I owed that to Mr.Polin after missing all of last year, that and I really want to win a championship."

Now that really would have been something.

"jordan will be blamed and fired by midseason since it will be obvious to most arenas is not ateam guy or coachable. mark it down arenas lovers you are stuck in medioracy forever!"

And this is exactly my fear as a fan. Gil is not even the leader on his own team, as he even admits.

I sure hope I'm wrong.

- Ray

Posted by: Ray | July 4, 2008 11:01 AM

Then sign him to be the starter and move Stevenson to the bench. That works just fine, too. The point remains that he brings a dimension of athleticism and offensive aggressiveness around the basket that the Wizards don't have and need.

Posted by: kalorama | July 4, 2008 10:48 AM

I think this is what Nick Young is being groomed for. IF we can sign Magette, great, but we shouldn't break the bank or financially bind the franchise in years to come over him.

Posted by: psps23 | July 4, 2008 11:10 AM

"Chris Paul signed for the max. Arenas signed for considerably less."

I think he's just trying to say if you take away the numbers and just look at the "max" then Paul is more desirable.

I don't really think 2.67 mil per year is "considerably" less either.

- Ray

Posted by: Ray | July 4, 2008 11:34 AM

You ever given back $16 Million Ray? Then STFU about he should have given up more...

Posted by: Jim | July 4, 2008 11:46 AM

I don't really think 2.67 mil per year is "considerably" less either.- Ray

Posted by: Ray | July 4, 2008 11:34 AM

I doubt anyone on this blog would be happy to give back 13% of their salary over the next 6-years to their Employer - just to ensure that the "Company" can get better !!

Posted by: Rook | July 4, 2008 11:54 AM

And - I'd say that 13% IS considerably less!!

Posted by: Rook | July 4, 2008 11:55 AM

While I think the Wizards have paid too much money, I salute Gilbert for taking less than he could get. Now lets go get Pietrus.

Posted by: George Templeton | July 4, 2008 11:58 AM

According to Ivan's most recent blog post, DC Man88 drinks his own pee.

Posted by: Tay Biltong | July 4, 2008 12:12 PM

With GA signing as reported, the Wiz should be able to afford any of these FAs and stay under the cap. Of this list, I like Childress or Azubuike the best for the Wiz:

Josh Childress (25 y/o, 11.8 ppg, 4.9 rpg) -- Developed into a solid role player who can help a playoff team.

Ricky Davis (28 y/o, 13.8 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 3.4 apg) -- Is the fact that Ricky Buckets always seems to be on bad teams a matter of circumstance, or his own fault? He's considered poison in most NBA circles.

Bostjan Nachbar (27 y/o, 9.8 ppg, 3.5 rpg) -- He's got some game coming off the bench, and will get the occasional highlight-reel banger.

Dorell Wright (22 y/o, 7.9 ppg, 5.0 rpg) -- Will the production ever catch up to the potential? At this point it's not looking like it's gonna happen, but Dorell is still young.

Kelenna Azubuike (24 y/o, 8.5 ppg, 4.0 rpg) -- Athletic, strong, and would thrive in an up-tempo system. Doesn't have much of a jumper, but has the tools to be a great defender and transition scorer.

Quinton Ross (27 y/o, 4.1 ppg, 2.3 rpg) -- His rep as a younger, skinnier Bruce Bowen isn't as strong as it was when the Clippers were good, but he's valuable nonetheless.

James Jones (27 y/o, 8.0 ppg, 2.8 rpg) -- Anyone looking for an inexpensive three-point sniper off the bench should take a look at Jones.

Eduardo Najera (31 y/o, 4.0 ppg, 3.3 rpg) -- Added a three-pointer to his repertoire, which had previously consisted of broken noses, floor burns and hard fouls.

Matt Barnes (28 y/o, 6.7 ppg, 4.4 rpg) -- Remember last summer when people thought he was worth more than the $3 million Golden State gave him? He'd be lucky to get that kind of money now.

Mickael Pietrus (26 y/o, 7.2 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 1.0 spg) -- Once upon a time he was a kinda highly-coveted player. He's got the physical tools but just isn't that good of a ballplayer.

Posted by: oddjob | July 4, 2008 12:14 PM

Great News! I look forward to the press conference when he gets back to sign the deal.

In the meantime focus on resigning Roger Mason-a vetergan guard who improved last year, knows his role, knows the system, and is a good compliment to Nick young as a one-two punch off the bench.

Etan and Songalia could be a good veteran tandem in the paint to counter Haywood's lack of toughness (he is afraid to get hit-avoids the contact to much). Remember in the playoffs Songalia was not afraid to play the role of tough man in the paint with that B#@*h slap on LeBron. And we know Etan is not soft and like I aid before he will come back with a renewed since of passion after coming close to no longer playing professional basketball.

With the $16million I would focus on a veteran small forward who can back-up Caron off the bench. Someone with a good outside shot, a good post-up player and who can play defense. Jamison does on okay posting up and Etan is not all that great, so we need a decent player at the 3 spot (who can play the 4 spot in small line-ups) who can really post-up.

I would not go for another big man now that I think about all that we have and the growth of the youngin's last year; and hopefully with some discipline and focus for the new season we could be okay in the paint.

But of course defense will be the key. With their improvement last-year and the lessons they should have learned by watching Boston's defense. We have the potential.

Posted by: A TRUE Wizards' Fan that knows Basketball | July 4, 2008 12:25 PM

"You ever given back $16 Million Ray? Then STFU about he should have given up more..."

No, and currently only 5 other players other then Gil has been offered that much money to sign with a team.

If you think he deserves that much then out of the goodness of your heart you should give it to him because he's such a great guy for taking 16 mil less.

That's what I thought, so you STFU.

You pay a buy that much because you think he can win a title for you. Gil is not that guy and 2.67 mil year less doesn't win you a championship. :(

- Ray

Posted by: Ray | July 4, 2008 12:27 PM

Congrats Gil...good to have you back.

Posted by: Wizzz | July 4, 2008 12:57 PM

"I think this is what Nick Young is being groomed for. IF we can sign Magette, great, but we shouldn't break the bank or financially bind the franchise in years to come over him."

Young is a nice young player with a potentially bright future. But the Wizards didn't invest all this money in Jamison and Arenas so they could wait for the rest of the players to finish their "grooming." Jamison is 32 years old. The Wiz are looking at making a jump now. (Hell, they were looking at making a jump last season.) Unless Young makes a quantum leap up to Maggette's level over this summer (not happening) Maggette's the better option for this team's goals. And a 4-year MLE deal for him would hardly "break the bank," esp. considering that the Wizards' vault door is already off the hinges after re-signing Jamison and Arenas.

Posted by: kalorama | July 4, 2008 1:20 PM

"Untrue. Maggette addresses a weakness this team has had for years ... a reliable, dynamic scorer coming off the bench who can manufacture offense and help carry the load when one or more of the big 3 are having off nights."

Mr know it all/douche bag Kal....Maggette isn't coming here to come off the bench. That is half the reason he is leaving the clippers in the 1st place. He hates Dunkeavy and has argues with him about starting for years. Think its so funny how you post all these comments like they are fact and like you are a complete genius when in fact half the time you are wrong. Also you have to be the biggest douche in this site by far.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 4, 2008 1:23 PM

we cant sign someone to our full MLE exception or we would go into the luxury tax. So you can forget about maggette

Posted by: Anonymous | July 4, 2008 1:25 PM

HAHAHHA everyone can forget about maggette, posey basically anyone who is good. When is the last time we got a good FA. You people need to realize the good FA want to go play for a contender. GUESS WHAT THIS TEAM ISN'T A CONTENDER. NOT EVEN CLOSE!!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | July 4, 2008 1:30 PM

The Cleveland fans are still here?!?

Hey - you won... GO HOME.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 4, 2008 1:32 PM

Please go read this article on ESPN.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=hollinger_john&page=FreeAgency-080703

perfectly sums up what i have been saying about this team for over a year. We are an average team and just capped ourselves out to stay average. Goodbye EG/EJ. they will both be fired within the next year or 2.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 4, 2008 1:35 PM

Oh I'm a wizards fan. A die hard wizards fan at that. I'm just realistic unlike about 95% of the board here. I have passion for the wiz but I don't lie to myself and say this team is going to do anything. One and done once again maybe 2nd round if a miracle happens and they will probably just get swept in the 2nd if they are lucky enough to make it there.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 4, 2008 1:38 PM

I hate Gilbert. He's immature. He's a trouble maker. He's not a leader. He's not a good teammate. He doesn't play defense.

I'm on Kobe's nutz though. So what if he he's a bad teammate, he's immature, he got accused of rape, he cheated on his wife, snitched on Shaq, undermined his coach. I will continue to defend. He's no where near as bad as someone like Gilbert.

I'm on Iverson's ballz too. So what if he's a bad teammate, he's immature, had gun & drug charges, cheated on his wife. I know he doesn't play defense either, but I still hate Gilbert!

Posted by: Coach Thompson | July 4, 2008 1:38 PM

"we cant sign someone to our full MLE exception or we would go into the luxury tax."

So? There's absolutely nothing that says they can't go into luxury tax territory. The question is whether they want to go into luxury tax territory. Grunfeld has been quoted as saying he's is under no standing orders from Pollin to avoid the luxury tax. The issue is whether the player that takes them into that territory is worth it. Maggette is.

Posted by: kalorama | July 4, 2008 1:45 PM

gil-not a PG, not a good leader, plays no D
stevenson-shouldn't be starting in this league
caron-STUD
jamison-to small to play 4, to slow to play the 3, no D, and soft
haywood-shouldn't be starting in this league especially for a so called contender

bench-not impressive in the least bit. Not one person you can be confident in on a night to night basis.

Someone please tell me how this team has a shot b/c I just don't see it.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 4, 2008 1:47 PM

Abe will never go into the luxury tax. Also uness we are getting the final piece that makes us a championship caliber team there is no point. Maggette is good but he won't put this team over the top. They need a lot more than that and should be focusing on the front court not the back court

Posted by: Anonymous | July 4, 2008 1:50 PM

"Maggette isn't coming here to come off the bench. That is half the reason he is leaving the clippers in the 1st place. He hates Dunkeavy and has argues with him about starting for years."

Hey, could that be why, hours prior to your asinine ranting, I amended my statement to suggest they sign him to start and bring Stevenson off the bench? Naw ... that couldn't be it. Maybe you should try reading to the end before commenting. Or perhaps you should try not commenting at all. Everyone would certainly appreciate that.

Ass clown.

BTW, you seem to have an almost obsessive interest in the word "douche." Is that perhaps your way of asking for help with your personal feminine hygiene issues that you'd like to ask for help with?

Posted by: kalorama | July 4, 2008 1:51 PM

BTW, you seem to have an almost obsessive interest in the word "douche." Is that perhaps your way of asking for help with your personal feminine hygiene issues that you'd like to ask for help with?

Posted by: kalorama | July 4, 2008 1:51 PM


How did you know? I guess you do know it all douche

Posted by: Anonymous | July 4, 2008 1:54 PM

Can you help me kal? You seem to have the answer to everything else

Posted by: Anonymous | July 4, 2008 1:56 PM

"They need a lot more than that and should be focusing on the front court not the back court"

They have needs in both places. However, there aren't any big men available for th MLE who would likely make the slightest bit of difference.

Posted by: kalorama | July 4, 2008 2:03 PM

"They need a lot more than that and should be focusing on the front court not the back court"

They have needs in both places. However, there aren't any big men available for th MLE who would likely make the slightest bit of difference.

Posted by: kalorama | July 4, 2008 2:06 PM

"They need a lot more than that and should be focusing on the front court not the back court"

They have needs in both places. However, there aren't any big men available for th MLE who would likely make the slightest bit of difference.

Posted by: kalorama | July 4, 2008 2:07 PM

"They need a lot more than that and should be focusing on the front court not the back court"

They have needs in both places. However, there aren't any big men available for th MLE who would likely make the slightest bit of difference.

Posted by: kalorama | July 4, 2008 2:09 PM

hibachi!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: prescrunk | July 4, 2008 2:25 PM

I take my hat off to Gilby for accepting less after he realized that he's not a max player and wouldn't be able to live up to the expectations.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 3, 2008 10:41 PM

Another totally untrue characterization of what happenend by DC Man88.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 4, 2008 2:28 PM

"It's our weaknesses that must be shored up, and neither Carter nor Maggette addresses a weakness on this team."

Untrue. Maggette addresses a weakness this team has had for years ... a reliable, dynamic scorer coming off the bench who can manufacture offense and help carry the load when one or more of the big 3 are having off nights.

Posted by: kalorama | July 3, 2008 11:47 PM

I think the Wiz are expecting Nick Young to be that instant offense off the bench.

Although having someone that can back up Butler at SF might be worthwhile, considering he has had health issues the last two years.

Posted by: Tim | July 4, 2008 3:08 PM

I love bashing Gilbert. He's immature. He's a trouble maker. He's not a leader. He's not a good teammate. He doesn't play defense. I couldn't find anything real bad so I will just use those to bash him.

I'm on Kobe's nutz though. So what if he he's a bad teammate, he's immature, he got accused of rape, he cheated on his wife, snitched on Shaq, undermined his coach. I will continue to defend him. I know I look stupid defending Kobe and bashing Gilbert, but i'm just an old bitter man.

I'm on Iverson's ballz too. So what if he's a bad teammate, he's immature, had gun & drug charges, cheated on his wife. He doesn't play defense either. It seems as if Iverson has more faults than Gilbert, but I'm bias so I will just bash Gilbert.

Posted by: Coach Thompson | July 4, 2008 4:06 PM

Please go read this article on ESPN.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=hollinger_john&page=FreeAgency-080703

perfectly sums up what i have been saying about this team for over a year. We are an average team and just capped ourselves out to stay average. Goodbye EG/EJ. they will both be fired within the next year or 2."

*************************************************************************

Read this one first.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?page=HollingerForecastIndex0708

Hollinger is a joke. The fact that he disagrees with the signings makes them more credible.

Posted by: frankbones | July 4, 2008 4:40 PM

We're so lucky Arenas chose to represent himself.

Posted by: Booboo | July 4, 2008 8:09 PM

Hollinger's summation is spot on. The team is maxed out as far as salary cap goes to be average to slightly better than average. Hooray! Hope everyone in here is happy!

EG will not be gone, but EJ might be. EG is a top 5 GM in the league. You don't fire them when you get them unless your clueless!!! EJ is a middle of the pack coach with a career losing record. Bye bye, hopefully sooner rather than later.

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