Arenas deal done

Gilbert Arenas officially signed his six-year, $111 million contract, the team announced today. Ernie Grunfeld released the following statement:

"Today is a great day for the Wizards organization. Gilbert is a phenomenal player and his value to the franchise goes beyond what he brings to the court. We're proud and excited that we were able to take care of our own free agents and open the 2008-2009 season with a healthy core intact."

By Ivan Carter |  July 13, 2008; 5:21 PM ET
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Good news... so its officially 111 mil?

Posted by: liem | July 13, 2008 5:30 PM

And I'm officially gettin outta that lock down in 2 weeks.

Posted by: Prison Balls | July 13, 2008 5:32 PM

Continuity breeds consistency. Consistency breeds championships.

Good job, Wizards.

Posted by: Jim | July 13, 2008 5:34 PM

Any update on if Pesh is gonna be able to play tomorrow night?

Posted by: Robert | July 13, 2008 5:40 PM

Lebron is a pimp. He's not a man without his Ho's (NBA refs).

With the team intact, and healthy, we will take down Lebron unless Sterno steps in and declares him the champion.

Posted by: Carl | July 13, 2008 5:59 PM

If the Wiz have space under the cap, why not go after someone like Josh Smith?

Posted by: Los | July 13, 2008 6:17 PM

The Wizards do not have space under the cap. They are several million dollars over the cap. The most they can spend on a FA is the MLE. Josh Smith is a restricted FA, which means the Hawks can match any offer made to him, and they will, without doubt or hesitation, match any offer of the MLE made by another team.

Posted by: kalorama | July 13, 2008 6:23 PM

Great - Welcome home Gil!

Posted by: washingtonian | July 13, 2008 6:36 PM

Great - Welcome home Gil!

Posted by: Anonymous | July 13, 2008 6:38 PM

"We're proud and excited that we were able to take care of our own free agents and open the 2008-2009 season with a healthy core intact."

That's a lie right there, what about Roger Mason?

"If the Wiz have space under the cap, why not go after someone like Josh Smith?"

That's because they gave it all to Gil. Oh that's right, Dee Brown is going to lead them to the finals. :P

- Ray

Posted by: Ray | July 13, 2008 6:40 PM

They have about 2.5 mil under the luxury tax... but I'm sure with the "discount" Gil gave back, they'll be willing to go over the luxtax if the right person is there.

For instance they can give the full MLE to Posey.

Posted by: L | July 13, 2008 6:52 PM

YEAH! GILBERT IS BACK! If we can stay healthy this season I think we can contend for a title.

Posted by: Gil | July 13, 2008 6:54 PM

Ray, when did you become such an incurable pessimist? Yeah, giving Gil that contract is risky -- but so is letting him go for nothing, and hoping you can lure another top-tier FA to Washington (and remember, because of cap rules, you couldn't offer him as much as Gil was offered).

Gil is the best, and most important, player on the team. Caron is outstanding, no doubt about it, and the toughest. However, if you're an opponent, you don't have to game-plan around Caron; you do have to do that for Gil. Arenas can do it all, and is a better scorer than anyone in the league but Kobe (yes, better than LeBron.)

He's not better than Kobe, LeBron or another half-dozen players, but he's a true star and a game-changer. Where are you gonna find another one of those on the market? Baron Davis wasn't, and neither was Brand (neither of which the Wiz had a hope of luring anyway, given the cap rules).

What would you have done, if you were in EG's shoes? Be specific about what moves you would have made.

Posted by: Keithinator | July 13, 2008 7:09 PM

Did someone replace Ray with DCMan?

Roger Mason, as great a guy and nice a player as he is, was never part of this team's core.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 13, 2008 7:09 PM

You are so right, Roger Mason was not a core player, although he was a class act.

If Mason would have stayed, he likely would not have gotten many minutes, with a presumably healthy Gilbert Arenas back. The few minutes he would have gotten would have eaten into Nick Young's time.

The smart move was to let him go and try to satisfy the few other needs the team has.

Posted by: Tim | July 13, 2008 7:22 PM

Memphis' best player, however, was former Kansas star Darrell Arthur. Once projected as a certain lottery pick, Arthur surprisingly fell all the way to pick No. 27. He'll end up being one of the steals of the 2008 draft. Arthur scored 18 points on 9-12 shooting and gave off an Al Horford vibe throughout the contest. Granted, Arthur isn't nearly the rebounder Horford is, and he doesn't possess Horford's nonstop motor, but there's no question that he will become a legit NBA power forward, sooner rather than later.


I know its only summer league but the wiz are going to regret passing on him

Posted by: Anonymous | July 13, 2008 7:29 PM

Keithinator, Ray is ALWAYS negative...along with Baller4life, 88Dude and Oddjob.

It gets really OLD.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 13, 2008 7:30 PM

"Continuity breeds consistency. Consistency breeds championships.

Good job, Wizards."

Tell that to the Celtics and Lakers. This organization is seriously going to regret resigning Gil and Jamison. Can't wait to pay jamison 15 mil when he is 36. Thank you EG for ruining the team for the next 6 years.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 13, 2008 7:32 PM

Okay Gil lets get ready bro don't over do it. When do the wiz play in Vegas?( i know its this week just don't know the dates) little help please.

Posted by: DARGREGMAG@AOL.COM | July 13, 2008 8:11 PM

Re: Mason, I am absolutely convinced that EG didn't sign him for one key reason -- he feared, quite correctly, that with Mason around, Young would get precious little playing time, which would stunt his development. Eddie doesn't have an affinity for rooks and other young players.

Ernie is forcing Eddie to develop Young by getting rid Mason, who would have been Stevenson's primary backup. Yes, Mason is steadier than Young, and won't make Young's kind of mistakes (although Mason was a complete bust in the playoffs -- again), but Young's ceiling is significantly higher than Mason's. He needs to get PT to hit that ceiling, and it would take a lot longer warming the bench. I doubt Ernie had any intention of offering Mason any kind of real contract this offseason.

Posted by: Keithinator | July 13, 2008 8:12 PM

The wiz play the Blazers tomorrow at 8pm on Comcast and NBAtv

Posted by: Anonymous | July 13, 2008 8:13 PM

Happy, happy, joy, joy - but we'd better get further than the first round this time. Even if we lose half the starters to injury for half the season again, we either need new starters or new med staff - or both. Watching the Walker's grinning face ending our season each year got old ages ago ...

Posted by: Gonzo, MD | July 13, 2008 8:22 PM

Way to go Gilbert! The best thing is that you get that money bad knee or not, and if the knee is bad, you just kick back and collect millions and cripple the organization like I did for Orlando until my deal was up.

Posted by: Grant Hill | July 13, 2008 9:13 PM

Only $1.5M left. Oh well I guess thats it. I dont think thats enough to sign V2, even if he shows well in the summer league.

Posted by: oddjob | July 13, 2008 9:54 PM

"Continuity breeds consistency. Consistency breeds championships.

Good job, Wizards."

Tell that to the Celtics and Lakers.

Posted by: | July 13, 2008 7:32 PM

Or the Pistons and Spurs.

Or even ask the Lakers. Ask their selfish, ballhog, me-first guard who asked for the Lakers to trade their developing young talent for a big-time move because there was no way continuity would lead them to success. Ask him how that worked out when they were 1st in the West before Gasol came on board.

Posted by: psps23 | July 13, 2008 9:55 PM

Can they use the money that Gil didn't take to upgrade the medical staff? As great an off-season as this has already been, its all pointless if they don't stay healthy this year. The only thing that kept the Wizards from winning the division the last two years was injury.

Posted by: Aaron | July 13, 2008 10:00 PM

"Loved the Rex Walters triple double comment! And who was that 6'10" forward the Bullets signed out of the preseaon one year, who had no desire to mix it up inside but somehow scored 28 or something in one early regular season game and then promptly partied himself off the team?"

Posted by: khrabb | July 12, 2008 12:57

Haha! I remember that dude... I can't remember his name, I think it was Randall something. He was like 6-11 or 7 ft, could really shoot, but was skinny and no inside game. He played sf, and made the team out of training camp. I remember he was interesting because of his size, before 7ft SF became common place. Yeah he dropped like 28 in a game early on, then quickly disapeared.


I am very happy to re-sign Gil.

I really like the signing of Dee Brown! He is exactly the type of player I was hoping to pick up for that 3rd pg spot.

Great to see Etan practicing with the summer squad, and reportedly is looking good (thanks Ivan!)

Very concerning to hear Pesh has another ankle injury and missing practice.

Great to hear the young guys seem to have the right attitude about this offseason!!

I hope we sign another free agent. Hopefully someone who can play sg/sf and is strong defensively.

I can't wait to see McGee play! Especially in a frontcourt with Blatche and DMac, should be fun to watch!

Posted by: Darnell | July 13, 2008 10:19 PM

Actually I looked up the salaries of some of the FAs and there are some warm bodies that could make a difference...like Theo Ratliff from the Pistons. Would provide the Wiz with that enforcer and shot that they lack in the paint.

Posted by: oddjob | July 13, 2008 10:22 PM

Wizards have to get lucky, catch a break and have someone step up to help them move out of the middle of the pack.

The big three are set; now if a _____(fill in the blank) can take his game to a higher level and give them another threat (preferably in the paint), they may be able to make a run.

Gotta catch a break.

I know, easy for me to type this.

Posted by: SteveMG | July 13, 2008 10:22 PM

Randell Jackson #50, played 1999-2000, 6-11 from Fla State.

Posted by: wizzfanno#1 | July 13, 2008 10:41 PM

now lets get Carl Landry from the Rockets. We are one banger away...

Posted by: dan | July 13, 2008 10:47 PM

Only $1.5M left. Oh well I guess thats it. I dont think thats enough to sign V2, even if he shows well in the summer league.

Posted by: oddjob | July 13, 2008 9:54 PM

It's actually more like 2.5 million. Before signing Dee Brown, the Wizards were about 3.4 million under the luxury tax. I'm not sure about Brown's contract, but it's probably no more than $800,000. At most, his salary will be for a million. That leaves us at about 2.4-2.6 million under the tax.

Posted by: Pradamaster | July 13, 2008 11:01 PM

Yes I totally agree taht Passing on Arthur will come back to haunt many teams as "Tim" said.

They will also IMO regrett trading Bill Walker's rights away for cash....I think Walker had a good shot to beat out McGuire and be our back up SF this season.

Posted by: avbanig | July 13, 2008 11:07 PM

Theo Ratliff is done. He's played more than 65 games only twice since 2000. He's an injury waiting to happen. On a deep, veteran team like the Pistons he's good for about 10 mpg of space filler, but he'd provide nothing of consequence to a team, like the Wiz, that would need him to play a more significant role.

Posted by: kalorama | July 13, 2008 11:21 PM

"Continuity breeds consistency. Consistency breeds championships.

Good job, Wizards."

Tell that to the Celtics and Lakers.
Posted by: | July 13, 2008 7:32 PM

Or the Pistons and Spurs.
Posted by: psps23 | July 13, 2008 9:55 PM

Don't know that the Pistons are such a good example. When they won the title in 2004, that was actually their first year with all of their core of all-star players (Billups, RWallace, BWallace, Hamilton, and Prince) in the starting lineup.

They haven't won a championship since, despite their consistency.

Posted by: kalorama | July 13, 2008 11:30 PM

The Wizards final summer roster includes FRANK ELEGAR out of DREXEL.I KNOW THIS GUY..for those of you unfamiliar with this guys game...WATCH HIM!!!!! He's a 6'9 220 bruiser who can score, rebound, block shots, he's polished....He's Good!!!!!!!

see his draft express profile below.
draft express profile...

Frank Elegar, 6'10, Power Forward, Senior, Drexel
22.7 minutes, 14.0 points, 6.3 rebounds, 3.3 blocks, 17-28 FG, 8-12 FT

Joseph Treutlein

Frank Elegar is someone we hadn't written about prior to Portsmouth, but has long been on our radar screen. That said, he definitely exceeded expectations with his performance, quickly emerging as one of the more intriguing players in the tournament. Elegar possesses very good mobility and fluidity for his size, along with solid explosiveness and quickness, though his most impressive asset is his freakish 7'4 wingspan, which he uses well in all facets of the game.

On the offensive end, Elegar shows nice flashes of post-up and face-up moves, mostly post-up, where he has the makings of a nice finesse game. Not being the thickest player in the world and probably being in need of more upper and lower body strength (lower more so), he isn't really able to establish dominant position or push his opponents around, so he relies on hook shots, turnaround jumpers, and up-and-unders, which he showed flashes of here and throughout his career. He'll occasionally try to mix in some face-up moves off one or two dribbles as well, but he doesn't usually get very far, and that's definitely an area he could improve on. He also doesn't show much of a mid-range jumper, and for the frequency he gets to the free-throw line (second most free throw attempts per possession in our entire database), he could also improve on his 67% from the line.

Elegar does show nice flashes in multiple areas, but his post game could still use some refining and his footwork doesn't always look especially fluid. Because he really lacks go-to shot-creating moves, he can go through spurts where he isn't able to contribute in the scoring column, resulting in inconsistent performances. For example, during a week in early January, he posted 33 points on Delaware, followed it up with 2 points against Northeastern, and then rebounded back with 29 points against Towson.

Elegar does contribute in other areas of the game, and he notably upped his rebounds, steals, and blocks per game this season without an increase in minutes, and it's definitely apparent how he uses his physical tools to make an impact in these hustle areas of the game. He tries to pull down rebounds in a crowd, contests shots in the post and on the perimeter, and uses his length in the passing lanes. On the boards, due to his thin frame, he isn't the best boxing out, and he relies too much on his physical tools here, resulting in inconsistent performances in this area as well.

Defensively, Elegar shows nice versatility as a post defender, showing good fundamentals and playing a very active game, using his length to front, poking at the ball from behind when his man has the ball, and using his length to contest shots. He can be backed down due to lack of strength at times, though. On the perimeter, he shows an active stance, but he isn't tested much with his lateral quickness, playing center in college.

All in all, Elegar is definitely someone who teams will be studying closely, as with his physical tools, he can possibly make an impact in the NBA, especially if he can progress in his skill development in one way or another. If he can continue to play with a consistently high motor at Orlando and in summer league, he could possibly earn himself a roster spot this year, and if not, he is someone who we'd keep an eye on for the future if he continues to develop his game.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 14, 2008 12:05 AM

Frank Elegar is a bruiser? Are you kidding me? He's a stick. Very good shotblocker and excellent mid-major college player but he needs to go to Europe or the D-league and develop an overall game and get stronger. He has no chance of making this roster.

They need a backup small forward and a big power forward. He doesn't fit that bill and they don't have enough room anyhow unless they decide not to sign a 14th player.

Posted by: MDS | July 14, 2008 12:50 AM

Funny that nobody has mentioned trading Etan yet. Oops, I just did.

Get him out of here before Eddie decides to have a open competition at training camp again. Brendan has shown that he can handle 30-35 minutes a game.

Posted by: C.Bell | July 14, 2008 12:55 AM

Ivan,

Please explain the trading of Bill Walker. Before you said there was no money. Well now there is and Walker fits the profile of the backup SF or SG we need. It appears to me that Gary Forbes is the most likely keeper from the undrafted free agents as the 15th player. Frank Elegar or Taj McCullough would be the competition. I don't see how Jonathan Wallace or Dontaye Draper have any chance to make the roster unless one of them outplays Dee Brown and then Ernie is giving up some guaranteed money. Please comment.

Posted by: KSM | July 14, 2008 1:51 AM

Today is the beginning of the end....

Posted by: Anonymous | July 14, 2008 1:57 AM

Randall Jackson it was... He made even Brad Sellers look tough by comparison.

I think a serviceable back-up 3 might still be found for $1.5 million, probably on a one-year deal with player option, similar to what happened with the original DS signing two years ago.

In other words, if a Matt Barnes is still hanging out to dry in a few weeks, EG may get him at a bargain price.


Posted by: khrabb | July 14, 2008 4:44 AM

A moment of silence for DCMan/Girl 88..........

I know this poster is dying on the inside because Gil is going to be here for what?....SIX YEARS! Count em! Get over it! ?That is a whole lot of years of negativity but I am sure you got it in you and we will have to put up with it until Ivan bans it.

Congrats Gil and Wiz! I understand fully why he was resigned and am glad he will stay a Wizard for a while. I just hopes that he proves all of the naysayers on here wrong so you all can eat crow. Dude is only 26 and has time to change the aspects of his game (defensive prowess) that you claim he can't do. Time will tell if this was a worthy investment. I believe it is.

As for Pech, looks like this dude is more fragile than a pile of toothpicks. Didn'ta he sprain his ankle last year and thus was unable to play most of the season?

Can't wait to check out the rooks tonight on Comcast.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 14, 2008 6:59 AM

Hurray! Arenas is back! Now the organization will be shackled to him and his bum knee for the next 6 years. I'm with Hollinger and Wilbon on the subject of whether Arenas is worthy of near max dollars and whether this "core" really is ever going anywhere. It was a chance for the organization to adjust on the fly, but sadly it's status quo. Now someone like Blatche or McGee is going to have to be a real "wildcard" type of player - meaning a player that develops to near all star level or better by improving by leaps and bounds seemingly out of the blue. McGee obviously won't be such a player for a couple of years. Otherwise, there is no championship contender with this roster. Real potential for second round maybe! lol

Have to say: you guys crack me up with all the summer league nonsense.

SUMMER LEAGUE MEANS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING! It is not going to tell you who is going to be good this year or any year in the NBA. McGee might look great or horrible, but it will not forecast anything. Is the NBA trying to become the NFL with all its year round crap?

Posted by: Rob P | July 14, 2008 7:22 AM

Oh, meant to ask why Pecherov gets so much flak for being "fragile" when the franchises' $111 million dollar man has missed most of the past two seasons and "tough juice" may be tough, but seems to run out of juice as the season progresses?

The franchises' future is not tied to Pecherov and his health or lack thereof!

Posted by: Rob P | July 14, 2008 7:29 AM

Oh Rob P, where is your team spirit? :-) You all will holler we are doomed for signing Arenas, no one but the Wiz brass actually knows where Arenas is regarding his knee injury. I am sure the GM did his due diligence and did not just make this offer willy nilly. As the commentator on Sportsnet said last night, Gils contract is about than just what he contributes on the court. It is a business you know and he does put butts in the seats. Congrats Gil, I can't wait to see you play this season. And with the signing of Dee Brown, I think we are going to see quite a few highlight worthy plays. Go Wiz!

Posted by: Anonymous | July 14, 2008 7:29 AM

glad we got gil back. but, do we have enough money to get either Daniel Gibson or Delonte West or even Matt Barnes and possible Bostjan Nachbar?

Posted by: kp23 | July 14, 2008 8:00 AM

glad we got gil back. but, do we have enough money to get either Daniel Gibson or Delonte West or even Matt Barnes and possible Bostjan Nachbar?

Posted by: kp23 | July 14, 2008 8:00 AM

No, No, Maybe, No

Posted by: Anonymous | July 14, 2008 8:05 AM

riticized at times in the last three seasons for having a subpar work ethic, Blatche said he has "turned into a gym rat this summer."

"I want to go out there and get in better shape, become more of a presence in the paint," Blatche said. "Last year one problem for me was conditioning. That's why I struggled sometimes. So the best way for me to get in shape is play games, so that's why I'm doing this" (Summer League). "This way I'll be ahead when the season starts."


It's good to hear Andray 'talking the talk'....

Posted by: Rook | July 14, 2008 8:16 AM

"A moment of silence for DCMan/Girl 88..........

I know this poster is dying on the inside because Gil is going to be here for what?....SIX YEARS! Count em! Get over it! ?That is a whole lot of years of negativity but I am sure you got it in you and we will have to put up with it until Ivan bans it.

Congrats Gil and Wiz! I understand fully why he was resigned and am glad he will stay a Wizard for a while. I just hopes that he proves all of the naysayers on here wrong so you all can eat crow. Dude is only 26 and has time to change the aspects of his game (defensive prowess) that you claim he can't do. Time will tell if this was a worthy investment. I believe it is.

As for Pech, looks like this dude is more fragile than a pile of toothpicks. Didn'ta he sprain his ankle last year and thus was unable to play most of the season?

Can't wait to check out the rooks tonight on Comcast.

Posted by: | July 14, 2008 6:59 AM "

Don't count your chickens before they roost.

Gilby could blow out his knee early this season and be done for this career.

We all know he's injury prone.

And, he's going to feel pressure to prove that he's a max player.

BTW, did Gilby give up 16 mil so that they can sign a player like Dee Brown? Weak.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 14, 2008 8:22 AM

I suck at life and I pooped in my pampers

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 14, 2008 8:31 AM

"I suck at life and I pooped in my pampers" - anonymous

And then your mom ate it as pate with crackers.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 14, 2008 8:36 AM

ok but whose a good small forward free agent out there who we can afford to help out Caron?

Posted by: kp23 | July 14, 2008 8:41 AM

I just read that Brian Windhorst, beat writer for the Cleveland Cavaliers, has been in an Akron hospital for the last 23 days fighting double pneumonia and other "complications". He was apparently very very sick and at one point in critical condition.

Brian's blogs (like Ivan's) are even handed, intelligent and insightful. As a Wizards fan, it was refreshing to read his blogs and get a different perspective on the Cavaliers vs. Wizards battles for the last 3 years.

My thoughts and prayers go out to Brian for a speedy recovery.

Posted by: Rook | July 14, 2008 8:42 AM

Why do you consider Gil injury prone? A player collided with his knee and caused him to miss most of last season, I don't consider that injury prone.

"Gilby could blow out his knee early this season and be done for this career."

This is a sick statement to make about anyone, even your worst enemy, did Gil smile at your girlfriend and ruin your relationship? Your not well dc88, seek help.

Posted by: zxhoya | July 14, 2008 8:46 AM

Bostjan Nachbar was replaced on the Nets roster by Jarvis Hayes. How good can Nachbar be and how much better is Jarvis? Last season:
9.8 pts in 22 mins rpg 3.5 vs. Jarvis' 6.7 in 15 mins rpg 2.2

Or perhaps it was a matter of Hayes earning half of what Nachbar made last year. Maybe the Nets think Hayes will be a sparkplug?

Posted by: rgz | July 14, 2008 8:56 AM

There is another piece coming, though it wont be major. And JV goes to the D league for most of the year, if ET is healthy.


Posted by: oddjob | July 14, 2008 9:01 AM

"now lets get Carl Landry from the Rockets. We are one banger away..."


Carl Landry is a restricted FA and the rockets will match any offer we give to him. Anyway this team is much further away than just Carl Landry. Doubt Landry even gets them out of the 1st round.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 14, 2008 9:06 AM

We need to go after Dorrell Wright to back up Caron. He would fit in perfect with EG's 2nd unit of nothing but length except daniels. We could have young, wright, blatche, and ,mcghee thats some serious length.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 14, 2008 9:08 AM

It doesn't matter, the point is he gave up 16mil and you said he would selfishly demand more. You are a sick guy/girl. Maybe something will fall on your hands and you won't be able to post no more this year since you are wishing injuries on people. How about that?? Gil signed and is a Wizard for the forseeable future so accept it and move on! Damn!

Posted by: Anonymous | July 14, 2008 9:56 AM

What a day for the Wizards! You have just signed the worst defensive point guard to ever play in the NBA to a big fat contract, thus insuring mediocrity for years to come. And guaranteeing you will not come close to sniffing an NBA championship for the life of this contract.
Way to go!!

Posted by: dw | July 14, 2008 9:58 AM

Ivan can we get an update on the final summer league roster? What 11 or 12 players did they end up taking to vegas.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 14, 2008 9:59 AM

"What a day for the Wizards! You have just signed the worst defensive point guard to ever play in the NBA to a big fat contract, thus insuring mediocrity for years to come. And guaranteeing you will not come close to sniffing an NBA championship for the life of this contract.
Way to go!!"

Very well put completely agree.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 14, 2008 10:00 AM

"Theo Ratliff is done"

Kal - You don't like Ratliff, Posey, Jarvis, Barnes, Brown.....so who do you like? A d-leaguer?

Posted by: Dave | July 14, 2008 10:27 AM

What a day for the Wizards! You have just signed the worst defensive point guard to ever play in the NBA to a big fat contract, thus insuring mediocrity for years to come. And guaranteeing you will not come close to sniffing an NBA championship for the life of this contract.
Way to go!!

Posted by: dw | July 14, 2008 9:58 AM

What would you have done differently?

Posted by: rgz | July 14, 2008 10:45 AM

Ivan can we get an update on the final summer league roster? What 11 or 12 players did they end up taking to vegas.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 14, 2008 10:48 AM

Final Summer League roster, posted on the Washington Wizards web site

Andray Blatche 6-11 South Kent Prep (CT)
Dee Brown 6-0 Illinois
Dontaye Draper 5-11 Charleston
Frank Elegar 6-9 Drexel
Gary Forbes 6-7 Massachusetts
Dominic McGuire 6-9 Fresno St.
Taj McCullough 6-7 Winthrop
JaVale McGee 7-0 Nevada
Oleksiy Pecherov 7-0 Ukraine
Vladimir Veremeenko 6-10 Belarus
Jonathan Wallace 6-1 Georgetown
Nick Young 6-7 USC

Posted by: Posted on the Wizards Site | July 14, 2008 10:49 AM

There's a difference between pessimism and realism. No one wants the Wizards to stink, but looking at the fact that we have no dominant players on the inside, our defense is porous, and our best player is not only injured, but disruptive to the offensive flow.. the reality speaks for itself. We have a bunch of "good" players, but that has proven to not be "good" enough. Passing on Arthur was a huge mistake. We need someone with game who can come in and dominate each and every night AND inspire his teammates to be even better. No one has the leadership on this team to elevate his teammates. Leadership starts with the GM, and frankly, playing it safe means mediocrity. I hope I'm wrong, but if you do what you did, you'll get what you got~

Posted by: LK | July 14, 2008 10:51 AM

Worst ever?

To quote Napoleon Dynamite... "you can't know that"

Seriously some peeps need to up their meds, the histrionics are drowning out common sense.

Ray? Ray! same Ray that posted here a long time ago? From the Caps boards too? Look, you have posted about 8 times now about how the wiz should-a could-a etc gone after other big name free agents...

What you completely FAIL to do is acknowledge (as several posters here have stated) what the wizards REAL options were.

Here goes (Again!)

PLEASE. REFUTE ALL OF THIS >

1. Offer Gil a max deal, hope he takes less and lock him up.

2. Offer Gil a middle of the road contract. Have Gil decline the offer. Only free up about 6-7 mil for free agency. Which isn't nearly enough to sign an impact player... wind up being a 3rd tier destination for FA.

3. Let Gil go. Only free up about 6-7 mil for free agency. Which isn't nearly enough to sign an impact player... wind up being a 3rd tier destination for FA.

These were the options. Why don't all of you chuckle heads who think we messed ourselves up tell us which of these options is best?

Brand = NEVER an option.
Baron = NEVER an option.

OK OK, chuckle head says 'trade gil, sign and trade him, whatever'. But gil's value is lowered right now because of past injuries and comparing the options of trading him with lowered stock VS letting him play and then trading him for = value the GM still keeps Gil.

Now then, chuckle head says 'money is no object bring a top player here asap!'... but reality is MONEY IS AN OBJECT. DC isn't NY your franchise value structure and pay-scale can only support so much here. If Abe treated this team like some other owners the next owner might be from Seattle. Besides which, from a team management stand point you should only blow up your pay-scale for a can't miss proposition because of the collateral damage you can do to your organization. Ask any business person.

KG = can't miss... a few others too. But they aren't available very often because they ARE can't miss. Teams don't just let them roll around like change in your pocket. Besides those players don't just go wherever... they go places that they want to for reasons they want to. Like shaq to miami, or KG to boston... some places draw players that poor ole DC just won't. Take for example the upcoming Lebron to NYC scenario... If lebron wants to go to NYC the wiz and about 28 other teams won't be able to sway him, not for a difference of 1-2%...

Now, personally I think, when you understand the context of the Gil deal it looks pretty good. Maybe not a championship maneuver at this time... but Mark Cuban has made a lot of moves to be just as far as we are. Lets let time do it's thing. The real tale of this team is going to be player development. Young teams either mature or fail together.

In the meantime all your pipe dreams might as well be another harry potter book cause it ain't real and it doesn't matter.

Your turn.

Posted by: g | July 14, 2008 10:56 AM

Ryan Gomes and Dorrell Wright are the 2 players we should be looking at to back up Caron. Barnes would be a big waste of time and money.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 14, 2008 10:57 AM

LK, if the Wiz stays healty(Gil) and I think he will, he is going to prove all of you wrong. Why is it that Kobe, who plyaed no defense initially and was quite a selfish ballhog, can change, but no one gives Gil a chance. He is only 26 and I am quite sure he knows the pressure is on,before you crucify him, allow him the opportunity to grow and change his game as well. Paul Pierce also changed and I remember people saying the same thing about him. I can't quite understand the pessimism that the "fans" have towards the Wiz and Gil. Getting to the playoffs is not easy and no we did not make it to the second round but I can only imagine what you would have said had we regressed to the point of not making it at all! I say reserve judgement until you at leasst see what Gil brings to the table this season because at this juncture none of us knows whether he is 100% or not and neither do we know how he will play or whether he will play defense. All of these statments are mere speculative. I am just a glass is half full kind of person, so kill me for looking at the positive where my Wiz are concerned.

Posted by: Ultimate Wiz fan | July 14, 2008 11:01 AM

LK great post. I see more and more people are finally coming out and realizing that EG just capped out a very average team that doesnt have the potential to make it any further than the 2nd round if they can even make it there.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 14, 2008 11:01 AM

"Getting to the playoffs is not easy and no we did not make it to the second round but I can only imagine what you would have said had we regressed to the point of not making it at all!"

Ultimate Wiz Fan...In the east getting to the playoffs is a joke...couldn't be much easier. The hawks had 38 wins.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 14, 2008 11:04 AM

ironically, not making the playoffs might have increase Gils message board popularity because it would have shown his relative impact to the team...

That said, i think it is silly. Last year a number of players performed above their standard level. IF BTH can keep it up the Wiz are that much better, same with Caron etc. Add in some young guys developing and that is the promise with this team. Potential.

I won't blame Gil of BTH or Caron etc. regress either. These guys are pros they need to be accountable for their own actions.

Posted by: g | July 14, 2008 11:05 AM

Once Gilly steps back on the court this team will go right back to giving up 105 or more a game and we will have basically the same record as last year give or take 3-5 games at the most.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 14, 2008 11:08 AM

LK great post. I see more and more people are finally coming out and realizing that EG just capped out a very average team that doesnt have the potential to make it any further than the 2nd round if they can even make it there.

Posted by: | July 14, 2008 11:01 AM

what a joke... The Wizards have been "capped out" for the last 6 years.

Yet Ernie has STILL been able to pull off trades (Butler for Kwame Brown) , and improve the team through the draft (Blatche, Young, etc.)...

All the naysayers on this blog apparently can't see the potential in the young core that Ernie has been building. Not the established veteran core (Arenas, Butler, Jamison), but the young guys (Young, Blatche, McGuire, McGee). If they turn out to be good NBA players, this team can go far, if not, they're very good trade pieces; and they're all locked up through 2012 with inexpensive contracts.

There's $20 Million in expiring contracts next year that Ernie can use to trade for an Impact player, or two.

I guess I'm just not seeing all this doom and gloom that you guys are...

Posted by: Rook | July 14, 2008 11:23 AM

All the naysayers on this blog apparently can't see the potential in the young core that Ernie has been building."


You can say that about everyteam in the league. All of them have young guys on the bench with potential. Until they actually prove they have consistent telent on the court it means nothing. Unless one of the young guys majorly steps up and Gilly learns how to play D this team will be one and done once again.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 14, 2008 11:29 AM

IF the core players stay healthy and IF the young guys improve, the Wiz have a shot at home court in the first round. That, in and of itself, would be an improvement. But realistically, they aren't going to be contenders next season. Even more realistically, there were no moves Grunfeld could have made that would have given them a better shot at contending next year than re-signing Arenas and Jamison. The only other viable option would have been to renounce both of them and essentially start rebuilding from near scratch, with Butler as the centerpiece, a process that probably would have taken several years before they even got back to the level they're at now.

Personally, I could have lived with that as long as there was a careful, well-considered plan in place, but I also understand why Grunfeld and Pollin didn't want to go that route.

Posted by: kalorama | July 14, 2008 11:33 AM

I think you all are missing the point of signing Arenas. He is more than just a "point guard who "doesn't play defense". He is one of the most marketable players in the NBA. He is an All-Star, a dynamic scorer and a community presence. He is what every team in the NBA is looking for. He helps Abe make money. What business owner would give that up and replace it with Jose Calderon or an aging Baron Davis. Those players are good but they don't bring what Gil brings to the table from a business standpoint.

Posted by: bryan | July 14, 2008 11:38 AM

Hibachi!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: prescrunk | July 14, 2008 11:39 AM

All the naysayers on this blog apparently can't see the potential in the young core that Ernie has been building."


You can say that about everyteam in the league. All of them have young guys on the bench with potential.

Posted by: | July 14, 2008 11:29 AM

Yea, but not all of them have young guys with potential AND 3 proven all-stars AND solid role-playing veterans. EG has built an extremely balanced squad that is ready to contend now and is poised to keep contending in the future. All that's needed is a little bit of luck with health and this team will be fine.

Posted by: psps23 | July 14, 2008 11:40 AM

The development and Young and McGee will be key to this team's overall chances. They need a high-energy scoring presence off the bench and an big, physical, high-octane big man to wreak havoc on the boards and defensively. if they can develop into players who can fill those roles while the vets still have gas in the tank, this team has a shot at moving up in the East. The questions is: If they can do it, how long will it take? Because I don't see it happening next season. And the longer it does take, the older Jamison, Butler, and Arenas get.

Posted by: kalorama | July 14, 2008 11:46 AM

Survey - how about giving our opinions on who's doing what? and why?

1. Got worse - Clippers, Warriors, Kings
because they lost &/or pissed off their best player, and hired an FA that will take a while to learn the new system. Kings lied to Artest, setting the stage for a trade

2. Stood Still - Wiz, Pistons, Lakers, Spurs, Knicks, Rockets, Cavs
Made no big trade moves to improve, but retained their core and maybe replaced a player or two

3. Got better - Portland, Nets, added veterans and 76ers added an all star (but need to keep Iguodala)
added a couple of veterans

Posted by: rgz | July 14, 2008 11:50 AM

Rook-There's $20 Million in expiring contracts next year that Ernie can use to trade for an Impact player, or two.


First of all i am optmistic as well...but was curious how you came to 20 mill...Dont daniels and thomas equal closer to 14 million?

Posted by: jojo | July 14, 2008 11:56 AM

Say what you want about the Wiz going nowhere every year in the playoffs but we have had major injuries derail us the last 2 years. If we play Cleveland with our 3 stars we can probably beat them and we match up with other teams better (you know the teams without 6-9 260 lb small forwards and an endless amount of 6-9 power forwards lol)

We need to have McGuire watching tapes of Lebron all season in case we have to play Cleveland again. We really need someone with a combination of size and speed checking that dude. Deshawn is too small and Caron is too slow.

Posted by: bryan | July 14, 2008 11:58 AM

Beasley would be a good addition.

Posted by: jose | July 14, 2008 11:58 AM

" Injury Prone " That's all I read now Gil is injury prone .Wiz are stupid for giving him all that money.

1. It's Gil's first injury
2. He's 26 years old (not 36)
3. He's a gym rat
4. He's got something to prove

for those reasons alone he's worth the investment. Now if we see the expected leadership and maturity rhats just gravy.

Posted by: Injury Prone | July 14, 2008 12:38 PM

What a day for the Wizards! You have just signed the worst defensive point guard to ever play in the NBA to a big fat contract, thus insuring mediocrity for years to come. And guaranteeing you will not come close to sniffing an NBA championship for the life of this contract.
Way to go!!

Posted by: dw | July 14, 2008 9:58 AM

Who me? When did I sign in Washington?

Posted by: ntr Steve Nash | July 14, 2008 12:46 PM

First of all i am optmistic as well...but was curious how you came to 20 mill...Dont daniels and thomas equal closer to 14 million?

Posted by: jojo | July 14, 2008 11:56 AM

Haywood's $6 Million comes off the books too.

Now - that leaves Ernie with options...

Trade only Daniels & Thomas ($14 Million) for an impact player , or two good role players (bruising rebounding defender, perimeter defense, hopefully) ... One trade with a team, or two trades with separate teams.

OR

Trade Daniels, Thomas AND Haywood ($20 Million)... But then, In my opinion, he'd have to get an All-Star quality Center back in return (Camby, Yao Ming, Amare Stoudemire) PLUS a backup PG. A little tougher to pull off, and it might require giving up a young player or two...

Posted by: Rook | July 14, 2008 12:49 PM

RGZ

How can you putthe Nets into the "got better" category when they gave up RJ for Yi? I understand why they did it (to have room to pursue Lebron in 2 years), but they won't be better this year.

Posted by: JD | July 14, 2008 12:53 PM

It's really sad we have some of the weakest,most non supportive fans in the league.We have one of the most high character up and coming teams in the NBA. I know many of you remember it was not to long ago we won the great Kwame Brown sweepstakes.Yet no matter what EG and EJ do to better the team someone gonna bytch about it.

Posted by: support the wiz | July 14, 2008 12:56 PM

There is no argument. With Arenas the Wizards never make it out of the first round of the playoffs. - That is a fact, not a guess, not a what we you do different, etc.
Yes, the young group does show potential, but that potential would only have been realized if you did not have Arenas. With him back you have guaranteed the same old same old. Mediocrity and no chance of a championship.
He is the problem, that should be obvious to everyone.

Posted by: dw | July 14, 2008 12:58 PM

Who me? When did I sign in Washington?

Posted by: ntr Steve Nash | July 14, 2008 12:46 PM
I thought it was referring to me. Gee, if the Wiz want me, what are they going to do with Gilbert, send him to NY? Hey at least my shoes are cheaper, everyone can afford to buy them! I love DC!

Posted by: Stephon | July 14, 2008 1:08 PM

There is no argument. With Arenas the Wizards never make it out of the first round of the playoffs.

Posted by: dw | July 14, 2008 12:58 PM

That is a fact? No argument?

Wow. You're a tough one to crack.

Posted by: Johnnie Futbol | July 14, 2008 1:12 PM

There is no argument. With Arenas the Wizards never make it out of the first round of the playoffs. - That is a fact, not a guess, not a what we you do different, etc.
Yes, the young group does show potential, but that potential would only have been realized if you did not have Arenas. With him back you have guaranteed the same old same old. Mediocrity and no chance of a championship.
He is the problem, that should be obvious to everyone.

Posted by: dw | July 14, 2008 12:58 PM

I guess 2005 never existed then.

Posted by: Pradamaster | July 14, 2008 1:16 PM

Now - that leaves Ernie with options...

Trade only Daniels & Thomas ($14 Million) for an impact player , or two good role players (bruising rebounding defender, perimeter defense, hopefully) ... One trade with a team, or two trades with separate teams.

OR

Trade Daniels, Thomas AND Haywood ($20 Million)... But then, In my opinion, he'd have to get an All-Star quality Center back in return (Camby, Yao Ming, Amare Stoudemire) PLUS a backup PG. A little tougher to pull off, and it might require giving up a young player or two...

Posted by: Rook | July 14, 2008 12:49 PM

Are you trying to be funny? While we're at it maybe we can get Beasley a la Jose.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 14, 2008 1:21 PM

No kidding. If I were the Suns I'd jump at the chance to get rid of Amare if it landed me a couple of studs like Etan and Brendan. Plus you'd get a middle age point guard like AD. Ditto for the Yao idea.

As far as the camby deal, that might make sense for Dinver, but he's going to be 35 so why would the wiz want to do that?

Posted by: JD | July 14, 2008 1:33 PM

Are you trying to be funny? While we're at it maybe we can get Beasley a la Jose.

Posted by: | July 14, 2008 1:21 PM

No - not trying to be funny... As you know, the 2010 Free Agent class is the best in NBA history - with numerous All-Stars and some Franchise Players (LeBron James, Dwayne Wade, Chris Bosh, Dirk Nowitzki) potentially will all be Free Agents at the same time.

Teams wishing to LOAD UP on that FA class are dumping Salaries (See NY, NJ, etc...) and if Houston does not do well this year - they may blow up that roster... If they traded Yao, they could potentially have $60 - $65 Million under the Salary cap to pursue MULTIPLE elite Free Agents.

Phoenix is the same. If the Shaq experiment does not work this year.. they could blow that team up and start from scratch. 2010 is the year to do it - with a chance at landing multiple franchise players (and other high level FA's).

Posted by: Rook | July 14, 2008 1:36 PM


What a day for the Wizards! You have just signed the worst defensive point guard to ever play in the NBA to a big fat contract, thus insuring mediocrity for years to come. And guaranteeing you will not come close to sniffing an NBA championship for the life of this contract.
Way to go!!

Posted by: dw | July 14, 2008 9:58 AM

Who me? When did I sign in Washington?

Posted by: ntr Steve Nash | July 14, 2008 12:46 PM

Steve Nash has gotten his team further than Gil ever will. I don't care how big of a Dorito Gil has on his shoulder he still isn't taking this team anywhere.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 14, 2008 1:37 PM

"Teams wishing to LOAD UP on that FA class are dumping Salaries (See NY, NJ, etc...) and if Houston does not do well this year - they may blow up that roster... If they traded Yao, they could potentially have $60 - $65 Million under the Salary cap to pursue MULTIPLE elite Free Agents."

If the Rockets push the plunger on their team, McGrady will be the guy that goes. You don't trade an elite C in his prime for cap space, no matter how enticing the FA goodies are, in part because without Yao, Houston really isn't a very attractive FA destination.

"Phoenix is the same. If the Shaq experiment does not work this year.. they could blow that team up and start from scratch. 2010 is the year to do it - with a chance at landing multiple franchise players (and other high level FA's)."

There aren't a whole lot of true franchise players in the NBA. And among the guys that'll be available, Lebron is the only one that truly fits the description. And he's headed to the Big Apple, one way or the other.

Posted by: kalorama | July 14, 2008 1:44 PM

two words to complete the Wiz mix: Josh Childress... a youger more explosive version of everyone's favorite, James Posey. I know he's a restricted, but watch out, if the Hawks get into a bidding war to retain Josh Smith's services...then the 'other Josh' (as he's known in the 'A') could be made expendable. You heard it first here, Ivan go ahead and print it.

Posted by: scrappy in ATL | July 14, 2008 2:05 PM

jd, you have a point about RJ, and they also got rid of Jason Kidd with the Mavs swap last season.
Maybe the Nets will just stay in place this year.
I'm thinking Yi and Najera will help them fill a few more seats than Ballistic Krstic and Boki Nachbar, so they'll have a little more cash to go after the big boys like Wade or James the following year.

Posted by: rgz | July 14, 2008 2:10 PM

sure blatche is in vegas?? i definitely saw him last night in the park @ 14th (a lounge) poppin bottles of moet

Posted by: terpin it | July 14, 2008 2:36 PM

I think a lot of posters seem to think this team would have been a contender by not re-signing Agent Zero. We could have then hoped to end back in the lottery next year and to get the No. 1 pick (which could end up being another Kwame Brown). I'm not a fan who wanted to see this team blown up and rebuilt.

EG had the choice of re-signing Gilbert & Jamison and hoping the young players improve to provide the supporting cast needed to take us to the next level. Yes, it is is a gample that Agent Zero will be at 100% and not have another knee injury. The same also could be said about Elton Brand's achilles tendon (not that we would have had the cap room to sign him).

Wiz fans should be hopeful and keep their fingers crossed that the team continues to improve on what looked to be a contending team in 2006-2007 before the injuries to Caron and Gilbert effectively ended the season. There's no reason to expect this team not to win 50+ games next year and contend in the Eastern conference.

Posted by: wizfan89 | July 14, 2008 2:51 PM

Posted by: scrappy in ATL | July 14, 2008 2:05 PM
The funny thing is Childress actually would earn more money per qualifying offer ($4.8M) than Smith ($3.1M) this year. Maybe other teams offer one or the other a higher 'bid' that would make it difficult for ATL to match offers and retain both.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 14, 2008 2:53 PM

I like Caron, but I don't think you go far if you build your team around him. He is an all-star, like Jamison,but they are borderline all-stars. They can score, but they are not totally UNSTOPPABLE. Gilbert is a bonafide all-star, young, and totally UNSTOPPABLE. Even if his knee does not come back to where it was, you still have to respect the 4-point range he has and that opens up the floor for the whole team. And on 1 leg, he can still get past people respecting his 4-point range shot.

It is still in question whether the team gets healthy next year and where they rank because it is still to early to judge the east. Will Iquodola sign with Philly for example. How good will Atlanta be? Who knows!

I give the Wizards as good a chance as anybody, all thing being equal from an injury standpoint. Boston was great last year, but they could not stop our Big 2. Boston's defense stepped up in the playoffs, but I don't think it stepped up enough to stop a healthy BIG 3.

Posted by: G-Man | July 14, 2008 2:58 PM

Geesh, some of these people act like an NBA player cant get injured. Hasnt D. Wade been injured for the last 2 season's also? Is he injury prone? Yao has been out a lot also....there's many more that have been making for than Gil for years. Gil wasnt paid anywhere near the others that have been injured as well.

Posted by: washingtonian | July 14, 2008 3:07 PM

I'm still hoping for a overhaul of the wizards medical/sports medicine staff. Because, as stated, it's been ongoing with MANY of the players.

Posted by: washingtonian | July 14, 2008 3:09 PM

There aren't a whole lot of true franchise players in the NBA. And among the guys that'll be available, Lebron is the only one that truly fits the description. And he's headed to the Big Apple, one way or the other.

Posted by: kalorama | July 14, 2008 1:44 PM

The point still remains that the 2010 Free Agent class will generate a ton of interest from a large number of NBA teams.

The Wizards expiring contracts will be worth more in the 2009-10 season than at any other time.

All the negative posters around here whizzing and moaning about reduced Cap space or Arenas' salary - can't see the big picture. The Wizards are one or two quality players from being a Championship caliber team.

Teams, especially those that don't see Championship possibilities in their current roster next year (2009-10), will be willing to give up quality players for expiring contracts (and perhaps a young, inexpensive player or two) - for the chance to completely rebuild their team into a contender, in one year.

Posted by: Rook | July 14, 2008 3:22 PM

G-man keep chugging that Gilbert juice. That man isn't worth max money and jamison isn't worth his contract either. Have fun paying him 15 mil when he is 36 and can barely walk up and down the court. EG?EJ will be fired by the end of either this season or next and the team will desperately be trying to trade both of these contracts as soon as they are gone. the team is ruined for the next 6 years and will never make it past the 2nd round if they are even lucky enough to get there. one thing is for sure we better play somebody besides the cavs b/c this team will never beta lebron

Posted by: Anonymous | July 14, 2008 3:38 PM

Kal: "IF the core players stay healthy and IF the young guys improve,..."

Player development and management (including managing for the expected injuries) is part of management's responsibility. There are no if's.

The issue is when are the Wiz are going to get a management team that has more than a one-dimensional view of the world.

Certainly EJ has shown he is not going to change. Given that, there will be significant downtime for the Big 3, the scrubs will not be ready to compete, the Wiz will play near .500 and they will be one and out in the playoffs. No if's, but a lot of buts will follow. What else is new?

Posted by: Izman | July 14, 2008 3:42 PM

Just a thought...Caron has playen MANY minutes and plays fatigued & injured by seasons end. What are the chances of trading Brendon & or Etan and or a draft pick...some combination for Ron Artest. He could solidify the bench at the three...I know the wiz are looking to make more moves, is he in their thoughts given his want to opt out?

Posted by: Good Dad | July 14, 2008 3:54 PM

Beasly hasn't even played a game yet. In the NBA, he's an undersized 4 and not really a 3. He's a tweener. Let's watch him in action before we crown him as the next whomever. He could very well end up like Fizer or Corliss Williamson,

Posted by: G$ | July 14, 2008 3:57 PM

The current Wiz management team has averaged over 42 wins for the past four years.... It ain't great but it is better than about 16 other NBA teams over the same period...

Enjoy the summer league games, let's see how the kids look and then if there are any deals to be made for a back up 3, fine.

There has not been a championship here for 30 years, but there has not been a better NBA team than this one here for about 28 of those years... half full or half empty?

Posted by: khrabb | July 14, 2008 4:02 PM

"What are the chances of trading Brendon & or Etan and or a draft pick...some combination for Ron Artest."

How close can you get to absolute zero without actually being absolute zero?

Posted by: kalorama | July 14, 2008 4:09 PM

" but he's going to be 35 so why would the wiz want to do that?" - JD

even this past season, camby put up perfect numbers for a center for our team: 9.1 pts, 13.1 boards, and 3.6 blocks. i would gladly trade a backup center and a back pg for 2 seasons of camby.

denver has no reason to make that trade, unless they really value daniels. campy's contract is up at the same time as daniels and thomas. and he costs less than the combination of those two.

the only way i see denver making that move is if we also gave them someone young tht they really wanted, or we took on one of their long-term, unwanted contracts. but the only players they have like that are nene at 10 mil, martin at 14 mil, and anthony at 14 mil. and we can't afford to take on any of those guys without giving up one of our big three.

it would have to be a three-way trade. something like this works:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=45~1998~2758~3024~125~515~183~851&teams=7~7~27~27~27~19~7~7&te=&cash=

magic get a solid pf that could do well next to howard. wizards get camby and take back 2 salaries from orlando that each expire after this year. denver essentially sheds an extra 15 million off the books for the big free agent summer of 2010.

it leaves denver with just nene, battie, and thomas as their only real big men though. so it practically throws away the season for them. unless they're planning on just giving up for the next 2 years, not exactly the way to go.

Posted by: JC | July 14, 2008 4:10 PM

I think Beasley will be better than average (although maybe not great), in part because he has tremendous athleticism (which Williamson lacked) to go with his already high skill level (which Fizer lacked).

The guy I've had pegged as Corliss Williamson 2.0 is Kevin Love.

Posted by: kalorama | July 14, 2008 4:11 PM

Tell that to some of the teams that didn't make the playoffs that making it in the East don't count. Whether it was the weak east or not. I gurantee you they would beg to differ and would have loved to be there. Considering that the Wiz was practicing with the towel boys at the end of the season because of injuries and that the "only" vet playing in most games was Jamison, the Wiz making the playoffs was a big deal. Hell, they squeaked in there on rims with sparks flying but they made it. How many other teams would have made it with their major players out. You can't make me believe that if Pierce and Garnett was out during the playoffs that they the Celtics still would have advanced as far as they did. Hell, they almost lost to Atlanta and Phillie. Both teams pushed them to the brink. Give me a break! Give the Wiz a break!

Posted by: Ultimate Wiz fan. | July 14, 2008 4:16 PM

There is no argument. With Arenas the Wizards never make it out of the first round of the playoffs. - That is a fact, not a guess, not a what we you do different, etc.

Posted by: dw | July 14, 2008 12:58 PM

In fact, the Wizards, WITH Arenas, DID make it out of the first round of the playoffs in 2005, when they beat Chicago with a team that wasn't as deep and talented as this one appears to be. I'm not saying that this team is a serious title contender as presently constituted, but you're overstating your case to say they'll never make it out of the first round with Arenas.

Posted by: rbpalmer | July 14, 2008 4:16 PM

Why the hell would you want to trade Brendan? That is just plain stupid. Especially after the year he had last year.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 14, 2008 4:17 PM

Half full Krabb. Half full.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 14, 2008 4:18 PM

One point many are missing about Arenas's contract. No, there wasn't a big enough saving in year one to use the full MLE without exceeding the luxury tax level.
But the contract's savings increase in the back end of the deal leaving Grunfeld more flexibility down the road.

Having a young and improving bench, along with the flexibility of going into next summer with 14m in expiring contracts to trade, along with a full compliment of draft picks is a position that many teams would relish.

Some people forget that this team has manuvered it's self through what many thought was Salary Cap Hell AND managed to make four straight years of the playoffs.
And yes, the Wiz did make the second round of the playoffs when they beat the Bulls!

Much of this year's hoped for improvement will start tonight.
Can the core of this summer league team prove their worth as a cohesive young bench unit?
Can Blatche and Young, in particular, step up to be solid young stars on the rise and take on a leadership role?
Is McGuire able to become a legit 3 in the pros, or is he just a high energy guy off the bench that's a tweener?
Is Dee Brown a guy that the Wiz can groom to be a backup point to replace Daniels in a season or two?
Is either McGee or Pecherov a legit project to develop at the four or the five?
And is Veermenko a guy that we will ever see in an NBA uniform?

These are all questions that many of us will have in mind while watching the games from Vegas this week. This team improved last season without their best player healthy. That's a fact.

Getting Gil and Jamison resigned and every body healthy are important steps in the right direction. But there are a lot of important questions that can be answered by this summer league squad.

I'll be watching and looking forward to fall. Ernie may take a long look at some of the young Vets floating around in the summer looking for their break to make the league, never know when a gem could turn up. He's still got time in the FA market for that 15th player.

Posted by: GM | July 14, 2008 4:30 PM

We're proud and excited that we were able to take care of our own free agents and open the 2008-2009 season with a healthy core intact."

That's a lie right there, what about Roger Mason?

"If the Wiz have space under the cap, why not go after someone like Josh Smith?"

That's because they gave it all to Gil. Oh that's right, Dee Brown is going to lead them to the finals. :P

- Ray

Posted by: Ray | July 13, 2008 6:40 PM

1. EG didn't say that they were able to take care of ALL of their free agents.

2. No one that I've heard or read has said that Dee Brown will do anything other than what EG presumably signed him to do: fill the 3rd point guard role that Mason filled, by default, last year.

Posted by: rbpalmer | July 14, 2008 4:36 PM

I hope Pecherov's ankle isn't a recurring problem.

I hope Veremeenko made it and will play. Does anyone know if he is a sf or pf?

I am looking forward to see Dee Brown and McGee especially! I am so happy this game is TONIGHT!!!!!!

Posted by: Darnell | July 14, 2008 4:54 PM

I hope Veremeenko made it and will play. Does anyone know if he is a sf or pf?


Posted by: Darnell | July 14, 2008 4:54 PM

Pech supposedly said that VV can play both positions PF/SF. I don't know if he is quick enough to guard smaller SG/SF wingmen.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 14, 2008 5:00 PM

Although I do not necessarily agree with the big names that Rook brings up, I do think that Wizards will be looking to auction the expiring contracts to the highest bidder next offseason. I used to think that they would deal them separatly. I thought that AD would be traded before this season's deadline to a team that wanted to make a run with Vets this year and next before re-loading in 2010. But, I don't think the Wiz have anyone that can takeover for AD on the roster. So look for the 2009-10 version of the Wiz to try to trade cap space for players on the brink.(Like Big Ben was when we traded him.)

Posted by: SportzWiz | July 14, 2008 5:03 PM

When did this franchise get such whiny fans? I for one have been through the whole Ladell Eckles-Michael Adams-LaBradford Smith-Jim McIllvaine-Calbert Cheaney-Courtney Alexander-Hubert Davis-Tyronne Nesby-Terry Davis-Otis Thorpe-Gar Heard-Leonard Hamilton era and am glad this team has star players, young talent and draft picks.

Posted by: bryan | July 14, 2008 5:07 PM

There has not been a championship here for 30 years, but there has not been a better NBA team than this one here for about 28 of those years... half full or half empty?

Posted by: khrabb | July 14, 2008 4:02 PM

khrabb, according to a lot of the posters around here, the cup is 3/4 empty. The whole dang team is riddled with negatives from the owner down.

Sheesh! Perhaps we should tell the Wiz to move to some other city cause there doesn't seem to be any loyal fans left around here - the building's going to be empty this year. They're all angry and left in a huff.

Perhaps Kansas City will want an NBA team again since they last saw the Kings in 1985. Oh yeah they have a crummy soccer team called the freakin KC Wizards, they should have some fun fighting it out for the name.

Then all the folks with nothing to do in winter will be watching that great sport from Canada called ice hockey featuring toothless men hit each other with sticks.

Posted by: Mighty Mouse | July 14, 2008 5:37 PM

I like what Ernie has done so far. In retrospect he has signed two of the most sought after FAs at under their market value, avoided over paying for a backup 2 guard, drafted a potential backup center (long shot), filled an immediate hole by signing a backup PG (long shot), and still has some wiggle room to sign a veteran role player. Very nice job from a player personnel perspective.

Now if he could just convince Abe to let him find the Wiz a real head coach, one with leadership skills and at least an average level of in-game intelligence...they might have a chance to make it out of the first two rounds and into the Eastern "chip" round. But alas that will probably have to wait for next year...and then who knows maybe Abe will also let Ernie exceed the LuxTax limit if he can convince him he has found another "Bobby D"...that could be just what they need to put them over the top! (e.g. Carlos Boozer, Ron Artest, Andre Miller, Chris Wilcox, Eddy Curry, Shawn Marion, Drew Gooden, Rasheed Wallace, and Jason Kidd are all UFAs in 2009)

Posted by: oddjob | July 14, 2008 5:38 PM

WERD

Posted by: Anonymous | July 14, 2008 5:46 PM

I'm hoping for Matt Barnes, but maybe we'll be pleasantly surprised with Josh Childress. I remember hearing Grunfeld liked him out of college, I think his son played on his team. I wonder if Ernie has his eye on him waiting to see if he can get him in our price range. I'd love to get Childress, he is an excellent 6th man off the bench at forward. If we can't get him, I'd be very happy with Barnes too.

Posted by: Darnell | July 14, 2008 5:52 PM

When did this franchise get such whiny fans? I for one have been through the whole Ladell Eckles-Michael Adams-LaBradford Smith-Jim McIllvaine-Calbert Cheaney-Courtney Alexander-Hubert Davis-Tyronne Nesby-Terry Davis-Otis Thorpe-Gar Heard-Leonard Hamilton era and am glad this team has star players, young talent and draft picks.

Posted by: bryan | July 14, 2008 5:07 PM


Ladell Eckles-....-LaBradford Smith

Blast from the past- I'd forgotten about them.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 14, 2008 8:48 PM

anybody else watching the game on nba.com? I really wish I had cable right about now...the video quality is horrible.

Posted by: babbtong | July 14, 2008 8:48 PM

When did this franchise get such whiny fans? I for one have been through the whole Ladell Eckles-Michael Adams-LaBradford Smith-Jim McIllvaine-Calbert Cheaney-Courtney Alexander-Hubert Davis-Tyronne Nesby-Terry Davis-Otis Thorpe-Gar Heard-Leonard Hamilton era and am glad this team has star players, young talent and draft picks.

Posted by: bryan | July 14, 2008 5:07 PM


Ladell Eckles-....-LaBradford Smith

Blast from the past- I'd forgotten about them. (I guess there is probably a good reason for it) but it's good to have the memory refreshed. Eckles is one that I had hoped would make it, but he never worked hard enough and with his weight problem......

Posted by: Anonymous | July 14, 2008 8:50 PM

What, no love for Kevin Duckworth, Brent Price, Robert Pack, Popeye Jones, Lorenzo Williams, Jahidi White, God Shamgod, Don McLean, Rex Chapman, Tim Legler, Terry Davis, or Chris Whitney?

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