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Gilbert Arenas press conference

You have to a love it when a guy gets a standing ovation for signing his name to a $111 million contract. That's what happened at today's Gilbert Arenas "press" conference. In reality, it was a few reporters/media types and then a bunch of employees of the Wizards/sponsors who gave Agent Zero a standing O when he walked in.

I thought it that was hillarious.

Anyway, it was pretty standard stuff. (I'm writing a story on this for tomorrow's Post and will be Washington Post Live this evening talking about it so for deeper detail now, check out Dan Steinberg's blog). Afterall, the guy signed the deal last week and the presser was delayed because everyone was in Las Vegas for summer league. Abe Pollin attended as did Ernie Grunfeld and Eddie Jordan.

Arenas provided a few good quips but was otherwise subdued.

My favorite line came when he was asked about losing to Cleveland three straight years.
"Everybody says we can't get past Cleveland but Cleveland beat us one year and that was what?, three years ago and other than that they've just been beating up on some hurt dogs so we just want to get our fair shot at the right time."

Arenas isn't shooting or doing any hardcore running right now but looks to be in great shape and said he's just biking and doing pool work. He said that he won't get on the court for really hard basketball work until August 1. Why? Well, he wants that knee to be 100 percent after what he went through last season.

Is he ready to live up to the huge contract? Will he dedicate himself to playing defense? is he done with some the goofy stuff that has served as a distraction the last few years? Arenas answered all of those questions with posivitve answers.

"All of those little things I've done in the past are going to come to a halt," he said. "I think I'm up to the task. I just need to cut out some of the foolishness I do." Then, in the same breath, Arenas almost contradicted himself. "You know? But, I think it's a good thing. I create hype, I create excitement but some of that other stuff (like undercutting his head coach) I know I have to calm down."

I don't want to sound cynical or anything but when it comes to Gilbert Arenas, I've learned to take what is said at any given moment with a grain of salt. To me, it's all about what he and this team does next season and the two or three seasons beyond.

-I asked Ernie Grunfeld about the roster and he said that he would be comfortable going into the season with the 14 players who are under contract right now but is also open to signing another free agent if it's a good fit.

"We'll see how things go depending on who is out there and who is available to us. We'll see where that goes and where that takes. We might go to 15 but that depends on what player is available to us."

Hey folks, I wish I could give you more than that but Ernie is a master at saying something without actually saying anything. All those years in New York taught him well.

By Ivan Carter  |  July 22, 2008; 2:18 PM ET
 
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First!

Posted by: Jamie | July 22, 2008 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Ivan, please list those "media types" who gave Gilbert a standing ovation. Enquiring minds want to know.

Did Gilbert really reference undercutting his coach, or was that your idea inserted into Gilbert's quote?

I thought you told us the Wizards would only carry 14 players?

Posted by: Anonymous | July 22, 2008 3:04 PM | Report abuse

hey ivan what have you heard about devan gorge, devin brown, or bonzi wells coming to the wizards.

Posted by: brandon | July 22, 2008 3:09 PM | Report abuse

Hibachiiii!!!

Posted by: prescrunk | July 22, 2008 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Look who's available. Make it happen EG!

http://www.charlotte.com/507/story/722943.html

BTW, I'm glad Gilby admitted that he deliberately undercut his coach. Now, all the Gilby lovers can stop slurping and finally swallow.

That means you Lisa.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 22, 2008 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Fifth!

Posted by: Jack | July 22, 2008 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Please Gilbert, please learn how to play D.

Posted by: Dellis | July 22, 2008 3:18 PM | Report abuse

So was Susan O'Malley there with pom-poms for old times sake?

Posted by: TruthAboutIt.net | July 22, 2008 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Don't u mean those times he was with my Milwaukee Bucks...lol

Posted by: Ben Canada | July 22, 2008 3:21 PM | Report abuse

Who has ALL of Gilbys quotes from the last 4 years? Slurp DCmann SLurp

Posted by: Anonymous | July 22, 2008 3:23 PM | Report abuse

mmmm...tasty.

Posted by: Lisa | July 22, 2008 3:27 PM | Report abuse

"Please Gilbert, please learn how to play D.

Posted by: Dellis | July 22, 2008 3:18 PM "

Please Gilbert, please learn to keep your mouth shut.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 22, 2008 3:27 PM | Report abuse

I'm with you DC Man - get Okafor. They don't want to pay him so they would be wise to get something for him before he leaves. Heywood is a UNC guy and would welcome a change from Eddie Jordan. Package Heywood, Memphis #1 pick and anything else to get it done. If Abe wants another championship before his time is up he's going to have to pay for it. Can't take it with you - might as well spend some of it.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 22, 2008 3:28 PM | Report abuse

okafor? really? he's alright. he is not great, just pretty good. he is not much of an upgrade over haywood, assuming he can come close to what he did last year. and here's the thing - haywood PLAYS. he is available seems like every game, has no chronic injury deals. that cannot be said about okafor, or too many other 7 footers now that i think about it.

Posted by: random dude | July 22, 2008 3:44 PM | Report abuse

"anything else to get it done" would of course have to be Caron Butler, assuming MJ would even want to do business with this organization.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 22, 2008 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Caron is not going anywhere. He's one of the best bargains in the nba. Agreed though that MJ would be reluctant to do business with Abe ever again. Scratch that, MJ will NEVER do business with Abe so no use even talking about it.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 22, 2008 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Wiz already have big scorers with Gilby and Caron.

I would package AJ, OPech, and DMac for Okafor (12mil/yr). Okafor would start at 4 and would be a tremendous upgrade in terms of defense at the 4.

AJ could return to NC and be with MJ and LBrown.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 22, 2008 3:58 PM | Report abuse

That's silly. MJ would do business with the Wizards if he felt he was getting a steal. That would stick it to Abe. So it's going to be hard for Ernie to pull off a good trade with Charlotte.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 22, 2008 3:58 PM | Report abuse

When has MJ gotten the better of anyone in a trade? Dude is a horrible GM. But he does hold grudges and there's no way he'll do business with the man that fired him.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 22, 2008 4:06 PM | Report abuse

The Wizards just signed AJ so they can't trade him for 3 months.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 22, 2008 4:08 PM | Report abuse


That's silly. MJ would do business with the Wizards if he felt he was getting a steal. That would stick it to Abe. So it's going to be hard for Ernie to pull off a good trade with Charlotte.

Posted by: | July 22, 2008 3:58 PM

I really cant see him doing business at all, he thinks we snubbed him and he's didn't take it lightly. only way i see a trade happening is if we do give him a steal.He played with both Haywood and Etan so im sure he knows what to expect out of those guys.

Or wait....maybe we could just trade him a a scrub like VV he did draft KFB!


Posted by: Johansen | July 22, 2008 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Gilbert's knee will never be the same, and this organization will be crippled for years. We will regret this contract sooner than you think.

Posted by: Charlie | July 22, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Okafor in place of Haywood is ridiculous. They're not even the same size or position. Who would Wiz have as primary center Etan Thomas? Get Okafor PF in place of Jamison is even more ridiculous.
so 15 ppg in place of 21 ppg? and no more backup for Caron by giving away Dominic?
Hmmm, sure Wizards will win 50 games this year with that scenario. Good luck with that.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 22, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

"When has MJ gotten the better of anyone in a trade? Dude is a horrible GM."

Well, there have been a couple of minor examples:

- Courtney Alexander for the #17 pick, which he used to pick Juan Dixon. Dixon is still in the league while Alexander is who knows where.

- The Juwan Howard trade was a very good trade, pivotal for the franchise to get out from under Howard's contract.

- Traded Predrag Drobnjak, who was pretty decent for a couple of years, for the draft rights to Bobby Simmons, who has turned into a good, though often injured, player.

There are probably other examples, but I'm drawing a blank. His best moves were (1) clearing a ton of cap room, which led to the current roster; and (2) signing Larry Hughes to a pretty small 3 year deal.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 22, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Leave Okafur be.

Posted by: G$ | July 22, 2008 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Okafor would be great at the right price. But the price he's asking for isn't the right one.

Posted by: kalorama | July 22, 2008 5:30 PM | Report abuse

you nailed it Ivan... let's see what happens on the court.

Posted by: khrabb | July 22, 2008 5:51 PM | Report abuse

Did Agent Zero really take a cut? Or did he just leave the money he would have given an agent, on the table?

Posted by: Agent making zero | July 22, 2008 5:57 PM | Report abuse

Great - cant wait to get a new Gilbert, Agent 0, t-shirt!

Posted by: washingtonian | July 22, 2008 6:03 PM | Report abuse

Gilbert is great. His takes are fresh even if they aren't always accurate, such as when the Cavs beat the Wiz last February w/only 6 players (after the Cavs traded half their roster).

Posted by: Wizs loss to 6 | July 22, 2008 6:04 PM | Report abuse

"Gilbert's knee will never be the same, and this organization will be crippled for years. We will regret this contract sooner than you think."

This is my fear, and I think we will know sooner rather then later.

The only saving grace is Gil has become more of a jump shooter the last few years.

We'll see.

- Ray

Posted by: Ray | July 22, 2008 6:35 PM | Report abuse

hey at least he is saying the right things, which is something new...but you never know with GA. What is with the Aug 1st magical date?

When does training camp start?

Posted by: oddjob | July 22, 2008 7:24 PM | Report abuse

Doesnt sound like Ernie was too impressed with any of the Wiz summer league players not already signed. He's not even considering any of them for the roster apparently. Just waiting for the FA's on his short list to lower their price...

Posted by: oddjob | July 22, 2008 7:27 PM | Report abuse

oakafor is out of his mind. he wants to be paid like a top 3 PF and he is not even close. AJ is not going anywhere...he is Abe's little Wes. "Where's the cake?"

I'm glad to hear MJ is having problems--just deserts...what is the over under on how long before LB gets sick and tired of MJ's ego and incompetence as a GM? A season and half, maybe? The maybe the Wiz can finally get a coach to lead them to the promise land.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 22, 2008 7:34 PM | Report abuse

Okafor for Haywood is a no-brainer, if the money fit with the Memphis pick, but I doubt it. I can see Okafor playing the "5" with Jamison and Butler on the front line. He's not a monster, but he's a great defender and rebounder. What do the Wizards need? Exactly.

All the Gilbert bashers ought to take a step back and look at this man, with all his human foibles and all his generosity and humanity. Gilbert cares. He wears that heart on his sleeve. That's why Abe Pollin loves him. Gil donates hundreds of dollars every home game, based on his points, to local elementary schools, and Mr. Pollin matches it at away games. Name one other guy in the NBA who has done so much to raise up the kids in his community. Gilbert cares.

Why not build a team based on trust, and character? Ernie has done that, and I think he's done a great job. Eddie's a good guy, too, and he's a hometown hero. This team could be a champion. I'm excited about our Wizards.

C'mon, folks, let's get that bandwagon rolling! It helps!

Posted by: zinger1 | July 22, 2008 8:02 PM | Report abuse

Of all of the really, really bad trade suggestions made on this board, the idea of trading for Emeka Okafor has got to be right there at the top. He isn't worth a fraction of what he's being paid, and he wouldn't make a significant impact on any team in the league. The Bobcats will trade him before the season, but they won't get much in return.

Posted by: satch | July 22, 2008 8:05 PM | Report abuse

agree with above poster re the Gilbert haters. I watched some of the press conference and you could tell that Mr Pollin really cares for Gilbert, and he him. Pollin was talking about how he brought him here from Cali and all. Also, Eddie Jordon was on the talk radio show talking about all the things that Gilbert has done for the community, that's not even publicized - lots of things. Thats the type of player i want representiing my city. Native Washingtonian.

Posted by: washingtonian | July 22, 2008 8:21 PM | Report abuse

flaws and all I luv my Gilbert. lets erect a monument for him at Gilbert's corner.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 22, 2008 9:04 PM | Report abuse

Thank you Washingonian. To say that Gil will never be the same is just asinine. How the hell do you all know? None of us know whether or not he can come back 100% Unless you are his doctors and I don't think his doctor is posting here. I am quite sure EG has done his due diligence in so far as Gilberts health is concerned.

This post is just full of Haters and not real Wiz fans. The Wiz can blow a team out the water and these haters here would only find the negative to point out. At least wait until the season starts and Gilbert get some games under his belt before you condemn the man. I am also a native Washingtonian and am very glad that Gilbert sign and pray to the high heavens that he prove you HATERS wrong. Congrats Gilbert. Glad to have you back! We true Wiz fans stand behind you and wish you and the Wiz well.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 22, 2008 9:08 PM | Report abuse

Abe looked a little better didn't he? A little more spring in his get along perhaps. How much is Abe worth these days?

Can you imagine just having someone guarentee you $111 million dollars, not matter what. I mean had could you even sleep. Wow. Think about it. Wow.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 22, 2008 9:09 PM | Report abuse

I can't think of a single point guard in the entire NBA today I would rather have than a healthy GA.

Can you????

Posted by: bravo zulu | July 22, 2008 9:13 PM | Report abuse

"I can't think of a single point guard in the entire NBA today I would rather have than a healthy GA.

Can you????

Posted by: bravo zulu | July 22, 2008 9:13 PM "

slurp.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 22, 2008 9:22 PM | Report abuse

"agree with above poster re the Gilbert haters. I watched some of the press conference and you could tell that Mr Pollin really cares for Gilbert, and he him. Pollin was talking about how he brought him here from Cali and all. Also, Eddie Jordon was on the talk radio show talking about all the things that Gilbert has done for the community, that's not even publicized - lots of things. Thats the type of player i want representiing my city. Native Washingtonian.

Posted by: washingtonian | July 22, 2008 8:21 PM "

Of course Abe loves him. When he sees Gilby, he sees dollar signs. Who doesn't love money?

Why else would Abe throw out all his ethics and help Gilby avoid getting served a subpoena by Laura's attorney?

Gilby is his cash cow and Abe will ride him all night long.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 22, 2008 9:25 PM | Report abuse

DC Man, you seem so full of hate, and spite, and whine. ..fine, fine whine, all the time.

Why don't you get along to your self-flagelation, whatever you prefer, and leave us to our Dream Team. We're working on it. I really don't know what you're doing.

Get along.

Posted by: zinger1 | July 22, 2008 9:32 PM | Report abuse

88 is such an JEALOUS idiot. Abe Pollin is a very rich man - but very elderly. Why in the world would he need more money?

Posted by: Anonymous | July 22, 2008 9:43 PM | Report abuse

"DC Man, you seem so full of hate, and spite, and whine. ..fine, fine whine, all the time.

Why don't you get along to your self-flagelation, whatever you prefer, and leave us to our Dream Team. We're working on it. I really don't know what you're doing.

Get along.

Posted by: zinger1 | July 22, 2008 9:32 PM

88 is such an JEALOUS idiot. Abe Pollin is a very rich man - but very elderly. Why in the world would he need more money?

Posted by: | July 22, 2008 9:43 PM "

It's funny how these morons who complain that I am too harsh on Gilby now get all riled up just because I speak the truth.

Do you fools think Abe is giving away $111 mil dollars? As you said yourself, he's a rich man, and became that way as a businessman. Rich men don't run businesses by giving money away. Abe has every intention in reaping a return on his $111 million investment. Otherwise, why would he care about lux tax if his hobby was burning money?

I'm more and more impressed every day by the stupidity on this blog. You fools need wakeup calls and reality checks.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 22, 2008 9:49 PM | Report abuse

I'm more and more impressed every day by the stupidity on this blog. You fools need wakeup calls and reality checks.

Posted by: i need to look in the mirror | July 22, 2008 9:57 PM | Report abuse

I'm more and more impressed every day by the stupidity on this blog. You fools need wakeup calls and reality checks.

Posted by: since im a big blogging douche who will respond to this within 15 minutes | July 22, 2008 9:58 PM | Report abuse

I'll play for the wizards.

Posted by: Jason Taylor | July 22, 2008 10:03 PM | Report abuse

Yes, I'm a Gil lover and I blow....

Posted by: Anonymous | July 22, 2008 10:05 PM | Report abuse

Unlike many posters here, I am not a knee doctor and don't feel qualified to pronounce long term judgments on Gil's knee based on comments and blog entries I've read on the Washington Post.

But I am a decent observer. Ernie Grunfeld doesn't strike me as a blithering idiot. My guess is he HAS checked and rechecked with qualified medical personnel about Gil's knee prior to offering him a contract.

Posted by: sfam | July 22, 2008 11:05 PM | Report abuse

okafor for haywood is a bad deal.

Okafor for Etan / songaila might be ok.
I could even see an okafor for blatche deal possibly working. Not in reality.

Haywood is our only reliable Center and Okafor is not big enough to play 5 all day long. Aide from Haywood we don't really have a known reliable C.

Don't get me wrong I like okafor, he is great for your fantasy team, and I think he's play well with haywood / caron / gil / AJ... that would be a sick team. butit isn't going to happen.

MJ would never work a trade without gutting us.

Posted by: g | July 22, 2008 11:19 PM | Report abuse

Why oh why would Jordan ever deal with the Wizards again? Trading for Okafor is the most ridiculous thing I have heard in a long time.

Posted by: pg posse | July 22, 2008 11:50 PM | Report abuse

88er please move to Seattle or Rancho Cucamonga. Or any city without an NBA team. Then you won't have to be insanely jealous of Gilbert Arenas, Abe Pollin, Antawn Jamison, and whoever else it is that you're directing your inner self-loathing rage at. Seriously, your psychotic outbursts are getting more and more dangerous and smutty as well. No one but no one else on this forum has wished physical injury on a player except you. No decent person prays to God to cause harm to anyone. You belong in a mental institution - where there is no NBA team.

Posted by: wwFan | July 22, 2008 11:53 PM | Report abuse

So you all don't like small ball with Songaila an undersized 6'8" PF playing at center.
But you want Okafor an undersized 6'9" PF at Center?
So you do like small ball after all? brainofagoat!

Posted by: Anonymous | July 22, 2008 11:56 PM | Report abuse

"She grew up in a prominent family of nine in the affluent Bay Area community of Orinda."

"Arenas finally called Govan and asked her to pull back. "I said: 'Why are you doing this when I told you if you give up custody I will take my daughter. I want my daughter. I will do anything for her. I don't understand what you're trying to do.' "
Govan now regrets what she put herself and Arenas through. "I called the lawyer one day and said, 'I didn't want you to serve him, I just wanted you to scare him,' " she said. "He took it to World War II extremes."
Arenas called Govan's father, with whom he says he is close, and negotiated a mutually beneficial plan that would allow her to live near Arenas with her own house, car and financial allowance. After Govan's attorney had been paid off -- Arenas said it cost him about $10,000 -- and they had agreed to raise the child together, the two met face-to-face."

here's the link to the article http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/28/AR2006102800830.html

Posted by: babbtong | July 22, 2008 11:57 PM | Report abuse

"88er please move to Seattle or Rancho Cucamonga. Or any city without an NBA team. Then you won't have to be insanely jealous of Gilbert Arenas, Abe Pollin, Antawn Jamison, and whoever else it is that you're directing your inner self-loathing rage at. Seriously, your psychotic outbursts are getting more and more dangerous and smutty as well. No one but no one else on this forum has wished physical injury on a player except you. No decent person prays to God to cause harm to anyone. You belong in a mental institution - where there is no NBA team.

Posted by: wwFan | July 22, 2008 11:53 PM "

Please move near an active volcano.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 23, 2008 12:00 AM | Report abuse

88er, if you like volcanoes - Mt. Rainier is only 100 miles away from Seattle. You will be happy there. No smiling Gilbert there to irritate you.

Posted by: wwFan | July 23, 2008 12:11 AM | Report abuse

88er please move to Seattle or Rancho Cucamonga. Or any city without an NBA team. Then you won't have to be insanely jealous of Gilbert Arenas, Abe Pollin, Antawn Jamison, and whoever else it is that you're directing your inner self-loathing rage at. Seriously, your psychotic outbursts are getting more and more dangerous and smutty as well. No one but no one else on this forum has wished physical injury on a player except you. No decent person prays to God to cause harm to anyone. You belong in a mental institution - where there is no NBA team.

Posted by: wwFan | July 22, 2008 11:53 PM "

Please move near an active volcano.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 23, 2008 12:00 AM


well, why r u listen to him? u know hes from ghetto, u r much more educated than that aight?

Posted by: songaila98 | July 23, 2008 12:12 AM | Report abuse

okafor for haywood is a bad deal.

Okafor for Etan / songaila might be ok.
I could even see an okafor for blatche deal possibly working. Not in reality.

Haywood is our only reliable Center and Okafor is not big enough to play 5 all day long. Aide from Haywood we don't really have a known reliable C.

Don't get me wrong I like okafor, he is great for your fantasy team, and I think he's play well with haywood / caron / gil / AJ... that would be a sick team. butit isn't going to happen.

MJ would never work a trade without gutting us.


Posted by: g | July 22, 2008 11:19 PM


????what????? r u a canadian????

Posted by: mitch | July 23, 2008 12:14 AM | Report abuse

"agree with above poster re the Gilbert haters. I watched some of the press conference and you could tell that Mr Pollin really cares for Gilbert, and he him. Pollin was talking about how he brought him here from Cali and all. Also, Eddie Jordon was on the talk radio show talking about all the things that Gilbert has done for the community, that's not even publicized - lots of things. Thats the type of player i want representiing my city. Native Washingtonian.

Posted by: washingtonian | July 22, 2008 8:21 PM "

Of course Abe loves him. When he sees Gilby, he sees dollar signs. Who doesn't love money?

Why else would Abe throw out all his ethics and help Gilby avoid getting served a subpoena by Laura's attorney?

Gilby is his cash cow and Abe will ride him all night long.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 22, 2008 9:25 PM


i think what dcMan88 saying is yeah...true, but there are better ways of saying things w/o other gettin piss, thats what im sayin...

Posted by: ak47 | July 23, 2008 12:19 AM | Report abuse

yo babbtong, what's the reason you are posting up old stuff about Gilbert and his lady?
They're together, they live together (Nick & Dom rented her house last year remember?), they had a second baby, she travels with him.
See the pictures from the visit to Manila:
http://sandroparedes.multiply.com/photos/album/185/Gilbert_Arenas_bids_Manila_farewell

Posted by: Anonymous | July 23, 2008 12:20 AM | Report abuse

"yo babbtong, what's the reason you are posting up old stuff about Gilbert and his lady?
They're together, they live together (Nick & Dom rented her house last year remember?), they had a second baby, she travels with him.
See the pictures from the visit to Manila:
http://sandroparedes.multiply.com/photos/album/185/Gilbert_Arenas_bids_Manila_farewell

Posted by: | July 23, 2008 12:20 AM "

Get a f'n life. Who gives a crap whom he went on vacation with? Maybe she was the babysitter as Gilby took advantage of the delights in Subic Bay.

It was just last year that he booted her b%tt out of the house because the kids were writing on the walls and dirtying up the house.

Then he hooked up with Mya.

Then Laura came crawling back for the millions.

Stop defending the indefensible.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 23, 2008 12:29 AM | Report abuse

"yo babbtong, what's the reason you are posting up old stuff about Gilbert and his lady?
They're together, they live together (Nick & Dom rented her house last year remember?), they had a second baby, she travels with him.
See the pictures from the visit to Manila:
http://sandroparedes.multiply.com/photos/album/185/Gilbert_Arenas_bids_Manila_farewell

Posted by: | July 23, 2008 12:20 AM "

Get a f'n life. Who gives a crap whom he went on vacation with? Maybe she was the babysitter as Gilby took advantage of the delights in Subic Bay.

It was just last year that he booted her b%tt out of the house because the kids were writing on the walls and dirtying up the house.

Then he hooked up with Mya.

Then Laura came crawling back for the millions.

Stop defending the indefensible.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 23, 2008 12:29 AM


it seems like DCMAN88 has been working for TMZ for a while

Posted by: songaila98 | July 23, 2008 12:34 AM | Report abuse

Then he hooked up with Mya.

Then Laura came crawling back for the millions.

Stop defending the indefensible.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 23, 2008 12:29 AM
You don't own this forum you do not tell ANYONE what to post or not to post considering the nonsense you have been posting.
Dude rather thing, you are an idiot stop spreading the libel. Everyone knows the Mya thing was some gay gossip bloggers inventive fake story for the day. Whatever couples go through is their life, NOT YOURS.
Get over it and check yourself into a mental institution.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 23, 2008 12:35 AM | Report abuse

"yo babbtong, what's the reason you are posting up old stuff about Gilbert and his lady?
They're together, they live together (Nick & Dom rented her house last year remember?), they had a second baby, she travels with him.
See the pictures from the visit to Manila:
http://sandroparedes.multiply.com/photos/album/185/Gilbert_Arenas_bids_Manila_farewell

Posted by: | July 23, 2008 12:20 AM "

Get a f'n life. Who gives a crap whom he went on vacation with? Maybe she was the babysitter as Gilby took advantage of the delights in Subic Bay.

It was just last year that he booted her b%tt out of the house because the kids were writing on the walls and dirtying up the house.

Then he hooked up with Mya.

Then Laura came crawling back for the millions.

Stop defending the indefensible.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 23, 2008 12:29 AM


it seems like DCMAN88 has been working for TMZ for a while

Posted by: songaila98 | July 23, 2008 12:34 AM

Posted by: songaila98 | July 23, 2008 12:35 AM | Report abuse

88er you definitely need to move away from your mom and your mom's basement. Get a job for goodness sake.

Posted by: wwFan | July 23, 2008 12:36 AM | Report abuse

"You don't own this forum you do not tell ANYONE what to post or not to post considering the nonsense you have been posting.
Dude rather thing, you are an idiot stop spreading the libel. Everyone knows the Mya thing was some gay gossip bloggers inventive fake story for the day. Whatever couples go through is their life, NOT YOURS.
Get over it and check yourself into a mental institution.

Posted by: | July 23, 2008 12:35 AM "

LMAO!

Practice what you preach.

You don't own this blog. Don't tell me what to post!

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 23, 2008 12:37 AM | Report abuse

"88er you definitely need to move away from your mom and your mom's basement. Get a job for goodness sake.

Posted by: wwFan | July 23, 2008 12:36 AM "

You definitely need to give birth to your own baby and stop trying to mother people on this blog.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 23, 2008 12:38 AM | Report abuse

WAIT WAIT, IM NEW TO THIS BLOG, WHY EVERYONE DONT LIKE DCMAN88, WHATS GOING ON??

Posted by: magnusen | July 23, 2008 12:39 AM | Report abuse

88er
Gilbert was not on vacation. He was working, travelling to China and the Philippines for Adidas, then to Germany and Spain for the NBA. He did 4 to 5 personal appearances a day, pleased a lot of fans, signed lots of autographs, donated a basketball court, etc. See that's his job or didn't you know? Are you so insanely jealous you have to lie about it 88er?
You must be really good buddies with somebody at the Washington Post, I can't believe they are allowing this nonsense from you to continue.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 23, 2008 12:42 AM | Report abuse

it'll be interesting to see exactly how much okafor will get this year considering he already turned down 12 mil a year last summer. taking into account that he followed that up with a year statistically worse than his career average, i think he'll be hard press to get more than 10 mil a year, right now.

i can't imagine a team will want to trade for him at over 12 mil a year...unless they can throw a crappy contract at charlotte. i have a feeling he'll sign a one year deal and hope that a team with some money next year is willing to pay him...but at this point i don't think he's going to get much more than 10 mil.

Posted by: JC | July 23, 2008 12:43 AM | Report abuse

88er
Gilbert was not on vacation. He was working, travelling to China and the Philippines for Adidas, then to Germany and Spain for the NBA. He did 4 to 5 personal appearances a day, pleased a lot of fans, signed lots of autographs, donated a basketball court, etc. See that's his job or didn't you know? Are you so insanely jealous you have to lie about it 88er?
You must be really good buddies with somebody at the Washington Post, I can't believe they are allowing this nonsense from you to continue.

Posted by: | July 23, 2008 12:42 AM

WELL, WHY DONT U JUST IGNORE HIM, u gonna fall into his trap if u gonna argue with him

Posted by: songaila98 | July 23, 2008 12:44 AM | Report abuse

Your best bet is to pray for a career ending injury for Gilby, and then all the truths about Gilby that I report will cease.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 22, 2008 10:10 AM

Posted by: Anonymous | July 23, 2008 12:46 AM | Report abuse

Your best bet is to pray for a career ending injury for Gilby, and then all the truths about Gilby that I report will cease.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 22, 2008 10:10 AM
Your best bet is to pray for a career ending injury for Gilby, and then all the truths about Gilby that I report will cease.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 22, 2008 10:10 AM
Your best bet is to pray for a career ending injury for Gilby, and then all the truths about Gilby that I report will cease.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 22, 2008 10:10 AM
Your best bet is to pray for a career ending injury for Gilby, and then all the truths about Gilby that I report will cease.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 22, 2008 10:10 AM
Your best bet is to pray for a career ending injury for Gilby, and then all the truths about Gilby that I report will cease.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 22, 2008 10:10 AM

Posted by: Anonymous | July 23, 2008 12:47 AM | Report abuse

Your best bet is to pray for a career ending injury for Gilby, and then all the truths about Gilby that I report will cease.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 22, 2008 10:10 AM
Your best bet is to pray for a career ending injury for Gilby, and then all the truths about Gilby that I report will cease.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 22, 2008 10:10 AM
Your best bet is to pray for a career ending injury for Gilby, and then all the truths about Gilby that I report will cease.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 22, 2008 10:10 AM
Your best bet is to pray for a career ending injury for Gilby, and then all the truths about Gilby that I report will cease.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 22, 2008 10:10 AM
Your best bet is to pray for a career ending injury for Gilby, and then all the truths about Gilby that I report will cease.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 22, 2008 10:10 AM

Posted by: | July 23, 2008 12:47 AM


MORE! MORE! MORE! I LOVE IT!!!!

Posted by: songaila98 | July 23, 2008 12:48 AM | Report abuse

88er likes spreading the libel.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 23, 2008 12:49 AM | Report abuse

You definitely need to give birth to your own baby and stop trying to mother people on this blog.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 23, 2008 12:38 AM
so your mother is telling you to go get a job! Now that's funny.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 23, 2008 1:34 AM | Report abuse

I posted that article because DCMan 88 keeps bringing it up. He keeps bringing it up as a way of showing Gil shirking his responsibility/Abe Pollin only caring about money. Laura served that subpoena just to embarrass Gil, not because she needed money/Gil didn't want to take care of the kids. By all accounts, he loves his kids. It was her that he had a problem with. Also, Abe Pollin recommended that he avoid the subpoena. No other facts were mentioned, but DCMan constantly puts forth that Pollin did it to save his "cash cow" which really makes no sense.

As for the "kick Laura to the curb" statement, it's already been stated that she is quite rich. And he BOUGHT HER 3 HOUSES. The Mya thing was just a rumour.

"Get a f'n life. Who gives a crap whom he went on vacation with? Maybe she was the babysitter as Gilby took advantage of the delights in Subic Bay."

Anybody with common sense would notice that if Gil wanted a babysitter, he would have just left them back in the states. And why do you say the poster needs to get a life? He wasn't even talking to you. He was talking to me.

Posted by: babbtong | July 23, 2008 2:17 AM | Report abuse

I don't know if Gilbert Arenas will lead the Wizards to the championship after a 30 year drought.

But like all real Wizards fans (and this has been my home team for 40 years), I want to believe it could happen.

And perhaps when Gilbert and Antawn help Abe lift the O'Brien Trophy in a year or two, there will at last be the sounds of silence from some posters to this site.

Posted by: khrabb | July 23, 2008 4:20 AM | Report abuse

The current Wiz starting lineup is outdated - too slow for the current pace and athleticism of today's NBA. Philly will destroy the Wiz.

Posted by: Wizzy | July 23, 2008 5:57 AM | Report abuse

Wizzy's right--Philly's doing a lot of smart things. All this "Gilbert signs, now he has to win a title' stuff is really sad to read. Arenas is not a championship-calibre player. If he'd been on the Celtics this season instead of the very mediocre Rondo, they would have lost to Cleveland, because Arenas can't play defense and doesn't serve the ball to his teammates. The only player on the team who has that kind of mindset is Butler--and he's only talented enough to be a third wheel on a title team. The only player on the team with the physical talent to be on a championship team is Blatche--and he's years away from having any of the other tools. When his breakthrough comes, it will be with another team, just like Rasheed Wallace. And Ben Wallace and Rip Hamilton and all those other players the Wizards couldn't or wouldn't develop.

Posted by: KTV | July 23, 2008 8:38 AM | Report abuse

If the WaPo would just add a registration feature to this forum, we could possibly get rid of DCMan once and for all.

Although his stupidity does make me laugh once in a while.

Posted by: The_other_Lisa | July 23, 2008 9:36 AM | Report abuse

88 If you dont like the way your life is going,fine go make that change.Maybe you'll get that job and meet that woman. The fact that you dont like something about yourself does not give you the right to irritate and insult others,and to wish any kind of harm on another person is just childish let it go man, let it go.

Posted by: K | July 23, 2008 10:33 AM | Report abuse

BM Man88

Posted by: Anonymous | July 23, 2008 10:53 AM | Report abuse

No surprise, a blog about Arenas signing brings out total garbage.

Okafor isn't a bust, but he isn't a 12m player either. The guy just never seems real fluid on the court. Has seemed to have some nagging injury issues and from what I understand the team had to ask him to change his training. Apparently many felt he was becoming over muscled for an NBA player.

I'm sure Ernie has checked it out, sure if he could unload Songalia, Thomas and that draft pick that will take forever to get from Memphis he'd bite. But folks, MJ ain't nearly THAT dumb! He's not giving up Okafor for spare parts and a conditional pick. At least I sure wouldn't think so.

I would NEVER part with either Jamison or Butler as part of an Okafor deal. So I really don't see us being a player on that one.

Seems to me Ernie is letting the FA market play out. Could end up being a couple of real bargains out there floating around. Or he could hold that 15th spot open and hope a non roster guy fights his way onto the roster.

Unless he has a trade brewing I can't see anyone out there to sign that's going to be an impact player. Unless... has anybody picked up Ming Ming yet???

Posted by: GM | July 23, 2008 11:01 AM | Report abuse

I'm not a huge Okafor fan. He's a little bit undersize for a Center. I believe his natural position is PF. Trade with CB is a no for me. Trade with AJ straight up, I'll have to think about it a million times. It will be mighty interesting to have BTH, Okafor and CB in the frontcourt. Starting five is a nice mixture of Offense and Defense. Would the Bobcats deal? That's a different story.

Posted by: Dave, | July 23, 2008 11:10 AM | Report abuse

KTV, arenas typically notches more assists than rondo does. rondo hit 5.1 per game last season, arenas was down to that for his 13 game injury plagued season. the previous 2 he averaged 6 a game, and just over 5 a game the 2 before that.

you could argue that he touches the ball so much more, so his rate of touches to assists is lower, but then he also does have 2 previous all-stars to pass too, only 2 :-)....

rondo is a much better defender, there's no question about that. but it's also his primary role. arenas' primary role is to score. if a healthy arenas was on the celtics squad this season instead of rondo, they wouldn't have struggled in the playoffs as much because they'd be able to score so much easier. they also wouldn't have even needed to trade for ray allen. yeah maybe their defense wouldn't have been as good, but garnett is the real defensive star of that team, and i have a feeling his attitude and leadership would've rubbed off on arenas enough to get him to focus on it a little more.

Posted by: JC | July 23, 2008 11:11 AM | Report abuse

baby thong has got his wrap tied too tight around his head again.

The point that baby thong missed was that Abe assisted with Gilby avoiding being served his subpoena. That's the bottom line.

That has absolutely nothing to do with who has what kind of money and who is rich or not or how many houses so and so bought whom.

Why is Gilby touring southeast asia anyway? Most of the kids there are stuck in the factory working 100 hrs./week making the shoes/clothes that allow him to build his grotto. It's like the plantation owner touring the cotton/sugar cane fields to boost morale. Just stupid.

LMAO!

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 23, 2008 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Would Horry fit with what we have left under the luxury tax? He might be nice to have on our bench come playoff time and apparently the Spurs aren't looking to keep him around.

Posted by: JCfor3 | July 23, 2008 11:15 AM | Report abuse

"I'm not a huge Okafor fan. He's a little bit undersize for a Center. I believe his natural position is PF. Trade with CB is a no for me. Trade with AJ straight up, I'll have to think about it a million times. It will be mighty interesting to have BTH, Okafor and CB in the frontcourt. Starting five is a nice mixture of Offense and Defense. Would the Bobcats deal? That's a different story.

Posted by: Dave, | July 23, 2008 11:10 AM "

That's what I've been saying all along.

Trade (when timing permits) AJ to Charlotte to reunite the UNC crew (MJ and AJ did not graduate, but Larry did), as AJ wants to be in NC anyway.

Get Okafor and reunite him with Caron, as they both went to UConn.

Getting Okafor solves our defense issues at the 4, and he does provide inside scoring and will be good against Elton Brand, Jermaine O'Neal, Randolph, Beasley, etc. I really see AJ having problems defending against the 4's in the east.

Keep BTH at the 5. Have AB alternate 3, 4, and 5.

Caron and Gilby do enough scoring that they can sacrifice AJ's numbers at the 4.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 23, 2008 11:21 AM | Report abuse

"And perhaps when Gilbert and Antawn help Abe lift the O'Brien Trophy in a year or two, there will at last be the sounds of silence from some posters to this site.

Posted by: khrabb | July 23, 2008 4:20 AM "

You've clearly been taking too many Belvedere shots over there in Poland.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 23, 2008 11:24 AM | Report abuse

Time to shut his blog down til training camp...it's gotten out of hand plus there'll be no news to report.

Posted by: mark | July 23, 2008 11:27 AM | Report abuse

Okafor is a pardox for the Wiz. On the one hand, he's just the kind of strong, active, hustling big they need. On the other hand, he's not really a C (at least not on a good playoff team) and they can't afford the trade off of Jamison's offense for his toughness with the kind of game this team plays. He'd be great as the first big off the bench, backing up both the 4 and 5, but of course that'll never happen.

Plus, he's certainly not a $12 mill player.

Posted by: kalorama | July 23, 2008 11:28 AM | Report abuse

"Time to shut his blog down til training camp...it's gotten out of hand plus there'll be no news to report.

Posted by: mark | July 23, 2008 11:27 AM "

Why don't you just shut yourself down? Nobody's putting a glock to your head to surf this blog.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 23, 2008 11:30 AM | Report abuse

DC Man88 is really Ivan trying to get his comment count higher to impress the WaPo editors.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 23, 2008 11:33 AM | Report abuse

Ivan - I noticed Jannero Pargo and Carlos Arroyo are unrestricted free agents. Both of them are deadly shooters and they are "1" guards. Will $1.5 million cover a 1 or 2 year contract for them? I have always liked both of their games.

Lastly, Bonzi Wells is out there if we were still looking for a scoring "3" off of the bench. I know he is a head case but he might be worth taking a chance on. Any thoughts....????

Posted by: Bullets Fever #1 | July 23, 2008 11:42 AM | Report abuse

JC--sorry, I'm just not convinced. The fact that we're even seriously arguing Arenas vs Rondo kind of says it all. In terms of money and hype we should be arguing Arenas vs Kobe Bryant. I wish we were. But I have a feeling we never will be.

Most of the time, you really really want to be wrong about something like politics or the economy or your team's chances to win the Super Bowl. I would really really love to be wrong about Arenas and the Wizards. But I highly doubt they'll be winning an NBA title for Abe Pollin. And that was the original topic. If you want to put a large sum of money down against that bet, let me know and we'll get together on it IRL ;)

Posted by: KTV | July 23, 2008 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Ivan, man where the heck are you and why are you letting this persist?? I am throught with this blog. Done! All of this talking about Gilberts and other players personal life is not conducive to a decent exchange of ideas and comments in regards to "basketball". Can you not do something or are you secretly enjoying this? I had more respect for you man but after seeing you yesterday on Washington Sports live and hearing your comments, and seeing what a sham of a blog you run, you have slipped down on the rung of respectablitlity. If I were a Wizard player, the way you dog them, I wouldn't so much as give you a nod. Besides aren't you supposed to be a Wizards beat writer? I saw you supported the team, but, it appears that you don't from your actions. YOu are just as bad and as negative as Tom Knotts of the Wash Times and that is too bad because I really thought you were a cool dude.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 23, 2008 11:45 AM | Report abuse

"Ivan, man where the heck are you and why are you letting this persist?? I am throught with this blog. Done! All of this talking about Gilberts and other players personal life is not conducive to a decent exchange of ideas and comments in regards to "basketball".
Posted by: | July 23, 2008 11:45 AM "

Yay!

BTW, you obviously don't read the Post, b/c if you did, then you will see tons of reports that delve into the personal lives of professional ATHALETES.

Just this past weekend, there was an article on S.Springs's personal life, and Steinberg does nothing but blog on ATHALETES'S personal lives.

If not for these reports, we wouldn't know what kind of fraud some of these people are. If you don't get it from the Post, you'll get it from Gilby's personal blog, so stop crying about "personal" lives when these ATHALETES make it quite public.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 23, 2008 11:53 AM | Report abuse

For his career, Carlos Arroyo has shot 31% from 3pt range. That's quite a ways short of "deadly." It's not even mortally threatening.

Posted by: kalorama | July 23, 2008 11:54 AM | Report abuse

A beat writer's job is not to support the team, that is the fans' job.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 23, 2008 12:01 PM | Report abuse

dcmom

for someone who hates arenas so much why do you spend time worrying about his personal issues? is it a love/hate thing?
get a life bro!!

Posted by: Anonymous | July 23, 2008 12:03 PM | Report abuse

Arroyo is not a shooter but he maybe the pesky 1 guard wiz needs. I kinda like his game also the few times I saw him play. Not enough PT but productive. He was also huge when they upset the USA team few years back so you know he can step up during a big game. If the price is right then I say go for it.

Posted by: Dave, | July 23, 2008 12:04 PM | Report abuse

"He was also huge when they upset the USA team few years back so you know he can step up during a big game."

He can step up in a big game in international competition. But 7 years into his career, he has yet to prove he can do it in the NBA.

Posted by: kalorama | July 23, 2008 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Although I love Mike and (especially)Ivan's reporting, I think this blog has gone a little mad...

Time to go read about football for a while:)

Posted by: Anonymous | July 23, 2008 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Arroyo is a "solid" player to have in a team. Did I say he will be a major impact, huh, NO.

Try again my dear old Kal. :-0

Posted by: Dave, | July 23, 2008 12:33 PM | Report abuse

The biggest question here is...when 'u know who' has clearly not been taking his meds, why is anyone even responding to him? When he's sedated, I occasionally engage him but when he's like this it's pointless.
Kal and I disagree often and snipe at each other a little bit but at least he never acts like a reject from Dante's 5th circle of Hell. (wrath and sullenness/repressed anger for those of us who don't read Dante).

Posted by: mark | July 23, 2008 12:37 PM | Report abuse

Touche... 88 I think I coaxed some creativity out of you

Posted by: khrabb | July 23, 2008 12:40 PM | Report abuse

"The biggest question here is...when 'u know who' has clearly not been taking his meds, why is anyone even responding to him? When he's sedated, I occasionally engage him but when he's like this it's pointless.
Kal and I disagree often and snipe at each other a little bit but at least he never acts like a reject from Dante's 5th circle of Hell. (wrath and sullenness/repressed anger for those of us who don't read Dante).

Posted by: mark | July 23, 2008 12:37 PM "

I thought you were shutting it down until training camp?

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 23, 2008 12:44 PM | Report abuse

"for someone who hates arenas so much why do you spend time worrying about his personal issues? is it a love/hate thing?
get a life bro!!

Posted by: | July 23, 2008 12:03 PM "

For someone who's so irritated by my comments, why do you insist on reading them? Why do you spend so much time worrying about what I have to say about Gilby?

Get out of your basement for a change and get a life bro!

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 23, 2008 12:46 PM | Report abuse

Bro? I'm not your bro, bro.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 23, 2008 12:50 PM | Report abuse

Did I say you said he'd be a major impact player, huh, NO.

You did say, however, that he'd proven he could "step up in big games" when, in fact, he has not proven any such thing on the NBA level.

(I love it when people make up stuff I didn't say, argue against it like I actually said it, and then act like they'd just won a high school debate contest by disproving their own made up claims. Fun stuff.)

Posted by: kalorama | July 23, 2008 12:51 PM | Report abuse

"Okafor is a pardox for the Wiz. On the one hand, he's just the kind of strong, active, hustling big they need. On the other hand, he's not really a C (at least not on a good playoff team) and they can't afford the trade off of Jamison's offense for his toughness with the kind of game this team plays. He'd be great as the first big off the bench, backing up both the 4 and 5, but of course that'll never happen.

Plus, he's certainly not a $12 mill player.

Posted by: kalorama | July 23, 2008 11:28 AM "

Wiz can't afford for their 4 to be a defensive liability especially since the East is beefing up at the 4 position.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 23, 2008 12:52 PM | Report abuse

"Bro? I'm not your bro, bro.

Posted by: | July 23, 2008 12:50 PM "

So profound....it must be a gift.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 23, 2008 12:53 PM | Report abuse

I'm not even the guy you were talking to. The bro line is a quote from a movie that I think of whenever someone calls someone else bro. I do agree that it is a profound quote, though.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 23, 2008 12:55 PM | Report abuse

"I'm not even the guy you were talking to. The bro line is a quote from a movie that I think of whenever someone calls someone else bro. I do agree that it is a profound quote, though.

Posted by: | July 23, 2008 12:55 PM "

You obviously have esteemed tastes in cinema.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 23, 2008 12:57 PM | Report abuse

For his career, Carlos Arroyo has shot 31% from 3pt range. That's quite a ways short of "deadly." It's not even mortally threatening.

Posted by: kalorama | July 23, 2008 11:54 AM

Kal - "Not even mortally threatening" is probably what most 3rd string guard's shooting % is in this league. Now I noticed you mentioned 3 point land shooting. I would be looking for that stat if I was talking about signing a spot up "2" guard like Mason.

However Carlos is a "1" who is able to shoot 3's, but that is not what I would be bringing him in here to do. Yea, deadly might have been too strong of a word; because if he was deadly he would be starting somewhere. I got it.......

Anyway, my thoughts on Carlos is he just needs to be in a situation where he gets a chance to play some steady minutes. He probably plays well in international play because he knows the coach has confidence in him and that he won't get yanked out of the game.

What are your or anyone else's thoughts on Pargo? Remember this is for 3rd string point guard, so yes I do know they all have some flaws. I would just like to have a vet at that 3rd string spot in case Gilbert and AD have injury problems again next season. Both Carlos and Pargo are pretty quick and they have playoff experience.

Posted by: Bullets Fever #1 | July 23, 2008 12:58 PM | Report abuse

Geez you are a sensitive guy aren't you? Sorry to hurt your feelings.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 23, 2008 12:59 PM | Report abuse

"Geez you are a sensitive guy aren't you? Sorry to hurt your feelings.

Posted by: | July 23, 2008 12:59 PM "

Don't sweat it bro.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 23, 2008 1:08 PM | Report abuse

dc man--

question: what is with these new guys with all-around games?? And what is EG's obsession with them? I thought we were gonna make a solid offseason pickup. we just lost RMjr and then added TWO players who need to be sent to the D-League. Why??

what happened to classic position players? has coaching changed?

We need solid role-players like CB (whose game AP and EG praise regularly) yet we still don't have a true big man (don't get me wrong--Haywood is a GREAT backup 5) or a backup at the 3 or the 4 spots. We don't even really have a 1 guard! But we DO have 2-3 backups for Blatche, Deshawn, and now a backup for AD?!

you better talk to EG...

Posted by: prescrunk | July 23, 2008 1:11 PM | Report abuse

"You did say, however, that he'd proven he could "step up in big games" when, in fact, he has not proven any such thing on the NBA level."

When I say "step up" I mean that he can contribute and not be a liability to the team. YOUR definition of a "step up" is to be an All-star with a 20-10 ave. which he is not.

Funny how some people thinks they are always right and ridicules other people's comment and at the same time not being man enough when they are corrected.

Posted by: Dave, | July 23, 2008 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Bro? I'm not your bro, bro.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 23, 2008 1:14 PM | Report abuse

So profound....it must be a gift.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 23, 2008 12:53 PM

ATHALETES?

Now that's profound Clewiston!

Posted by: The_other_Lisa | July 23, 2008 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Do you guys realize that with 111m dollars Gil could place 15,857 $7,000 bets and still have cab fare home?

South East Asia is a huge and growing market, people maybe in the factories a 100 hrs. a week... But they're still working, it's not like Ohio.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 23, 2008 1:38 PM | Report abuse

"YOUR definition of a "step up" is to be an All-star with a 20-10 ave. which he is not."

Again, making up things I didn't say, attributing them to me, disputing them, then doing a happy dance like he just won a presidential debate.

Hilarious.

Posted by: kalorama | July 23, 2008 1:40 PM | Report abuse

BF#1, It's definitely a slow time when we're talking about our 3rd string PG.

Posted by: mark | July 23, 2008 1:41 PM | Report abuse

"ATHALETES?

Now that's profound Clewiston!

Posted by: The_other_Lisa | July 23, 2008 1:19 PM "

If you listen to WTEM, brotha JT2 calls them "ATHALETES."

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 23, 2008 1:42 PM | Report abuse

"Again, making up things I didn't say, attributing them to me, disputing them, then doing a happy dance like he just won a presidential debate."

Guess what, I just learn it from the expert.

Posted by: Dave | July 23, 2008 1:42 PM | Report abuse

"Do you guys realize that with 111m dollars Gil could place 15,857 $7,000 bets and still have cab fare home?

South East Asia is a huge and growing market, people maybe in the factories a 100 hrs. a week... But they're still working, it's not like Ohio.

Posted by: | July 23, 2008 1:38 PM "

And he could have your mom and her soft gums if you add up the rounding errors.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 23, 2008 1:43 PM | Report abuse

For the record, MY definition of "stepping up in big games" includes having career playoff average better than 8.5 mpg, 2.3 ppg, 1.9 apg.

(Observe now as Dave proceeds to argue that playoff games performances have nothing to do with "stepping up in big games.")

Posted by: kalorama | July 23, 2008 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Although, technically, I guess you've got a point. It's tough to be a "liability" to your team in a big game, if you're spending the vast majority of every big game your team plays nailed to the bench.

Posted by: kalorama | July 23, 2008 1:47 PM | Report abuse

"Guess what, I just learn it from the expert."

Well, whoever that "expert" is, I hope the instruction was free. Because if there was a fee you should ask for a refund.

Posted by: kalorama | July 23, 2008 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Why is Gilby touring southeast asia anyway? Most of the kids there are stuck in the factory working 100 hrs./week making the shoes/clothes that allow him to build his grotto. It's like the plantation owner touring the cotton/sugar cane fields to boost morale. Just stupid.

LMAO!

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 23, 2008 11:13 AM

you obviously know nothing about Asia being stuck in your basesment. There are more Gucci stores in Shanghai alone than in the whole of the US. Manila with 10 million people is the third largest market in Asia for American branded athletic gear. And there is no child labor in the Philippines making Adidas shoes, or didn't you know that already and just wanted to lie again?

Posted by: Anonymous | July 23, 2008 1:52 PM | Report abuse

""Not even mortally threatening" is probably what most 3rd string guard's shooting % is in this league. Now I noticed you mentioned 3 point land shooting."

I didn't "mention" anything. YOU said he was a "deadly shooter" like it was a statement of fact when, in fact, it's no such thing. I was simply helping you get your facts straight. If you are now claiming that we don't need our 3rd string PG to be a great shooter, fine. However, it simply calls into question why you made a bogus claim that Arroyo was one when putting him forth as a candidate for the job.

Posted by: kalorama | July 23, 2008 1:53 PM | Report abuse

oh yeah, markets 1 and 2 in Asia are China and Japan in that order for European or American athletic gear.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 23, 2008 1:54 PM | Report abuse

(Observe now as Dave proceeds to argue that playoff games performances have nothing to do with "stepping up in big games.")

So you're a mind reader and a personality expert now. WooHoo!

I already mentioned my definition. :-o

Posted by: Dave, | July 23, 2008 2:12 PM | Report abuse

"Well, whoever that "expert" is, I hope the instruction was free. Because if there was a fee you should ask for a refund"

I can't. That guy don't like to be corrected either. :-o

Posted by: Dave | July 23, 2008 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Look out! He's broken out the emoticons. he must mean business. Guess I'm in trouble now.

Posted by: kalorama | July 23, 2008 2:17 PM | Report abuse

"I already mentioned my definition."

You mean this?

"When I say "step up" I mean that he can contribute and not be a liability to the team. "

Yeah, he's "contributed" so much in the less than nine mpg he's averaged in big playoff games. The most vital and impactful less than 9 minutes of any player in the NBA.

Posted by: kalorama | July 23, 2008 2:19 PM | Report abuse

"For the record, MY definition of "stepping up in big games" includes having career playoff average better than 8.5 mpg, 2.3 ppg, 1.9 apg"

Kwame Brown's playoff ave:
mins - 27
pts - 10
reb - 6

So by YOUR definition, Kwame is a player that steps up in the big games. FUNNY!

Posted by: Dave, | July 23, 2008 2:20 PM | Report abuse

how come some "white cracker racist" thinks it makes him sound cool to use Bro?

another one of those "wanna be" white boys. Had no game, no talent, no cred, and now, no job, and no money.

He ain't a Bro. he's a NoBro...

Posted by: BroBro | July 23, 2008 2:26 PM | Report abuse

"you obviously know nothing about Asia being stuck in your basesment. There are more Gucci stores in Shanghai alone than in the whole of the US. Manila with 10 million people is the third largest market in Asia for American branded athletic gear. And there is no child labor in the Philippines making Adidas shoes, or didn't you know that already and just wanted to lie again?

Posted by: | July 23, 2008 1:52 PM "

Gosh..you are so dumb!

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 23, 2008 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Calvin Booth's playoff ave. is 3.8 ppg. I guess he's a player that "step up" during the playoffs also, correct?

Posted by: Dave | July 23, 2008 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Wow, this has gone downhill.

For those who want a blockbuster trade, why not wait until next year when at least one or two of our younger players will have (hopefully) increased their value, and we'll have tons of money under the cap? Don't get me wrong, I like Okafor but wouldn't overpay for him.

Posted by: walter | July 23, 2008 2:39 PM | Report abuse

"baby thong has got his wrap tied too tight around his head again.

The point that baby thong missed was that Abe assisted with Gilby avoiding being served his subpoena. That's the bottom line.

That has absolutely nothing to do with who has what kind of money and who is rich or not or how many houses so and so bought whom.

Why is Gilby touring southeast asia anyway? Most of the kids there are stuck in the factory working 100 hrs./week making the shoes/clothes that allow him to build his grotto. It's like the plantation owner touring the cotton/sugar cane fields to boost morale. Just stupid.

LMAO!

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 23, 2008 11:13 AM"

No, the FACT was that Abe TOLD Gil to avoid the subpoena. There is NO EVIDENCE that Abe actually ASSISTED Gil in avoiding it. Once again, you're blatently twisting truth. And the whole thing about the money? Fine. That's fine with me. So I expect you never to bring that up again. And also that Gil kicked Laura out of his house. Because it has nothing to do with that, right?

Now you're accusing Gil of child labor? Have you ever thought of the people in those countries that enjoyed Gilbert coming to see them? Sure, he was promoting something, but that's part of his job. He had fun, they had fun, the only person who sees this as a negative is you. And the part about the child labor is false, anyways. I'm from the southeast Asian area, lived there 10 years, and I can tell you that it is a blatent stereotype that children work there in factories. Most of them, if they work, work with their families. There are some sweatshops, but it is just bigotry to claim that ALL the children are slaves.

Posted by: babbtong | July 23, 2008 2:40 PM | Report abuse

anyways, I brought up the money part because you keep bringing up that Gilbert "kicked Laura to the curb". He really did no such thing. They were separated. He didn't force her to live out of her car or something.

Posted by: babbtong | July 23, 2008 2:47 PM | Report abuse

My only conclusion about baby thong is that he was born yesterday.

You're lucky and the bloggers on this site are lucky that I don't care enough to respond to your questions because it's not worth it.

It's just not.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 23, 2008 2:56 PM | Report abuse

You're lucky and the bloggers on this site are lucky that I don't care enough to respond to your questions because it's not worth it.

It's just not.

lmao...anOTHER TROLL

Posted by: Anonymous | July 23, 2008 2:58 PM | Report abuse

"sorry, I'm just not convinced. The fact that we're even seriously arguing Arenas vs Rondo kind of says it all. In terms of money and hype we should be arguing Arenas vs Kobe Bryant." - KTV

the argument only came about because you brought rondo up, no one else did. rondo though, is enjoying the hype of his game much like posey after the championship. all the faults rondo had coming out of college and as a rookie are still pretty much there. the only difference this past season was having garnett and pierce all together to make him look good.

------

here's a good question for the board, assuming arenas is as healthy as he was before the injury, what guards do you think are as good or better? doesn't have to be specific to pg, but try not to lump sfs masquerading as sgs, if possible...

Posted by: JC | July 23, 2008 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Should the Wizards look at Javaris Crittendon? Considering Antonio Daniels age, Dee Brown's mediocre summer league, and questions largely driven by a lackluster summer league about whether Nick young is ready to be a significant contributor this year, it might be a good idea to have a backup combo guard like Javaris Crittendon whom the Grizzlies are shopping because of the logjam they have at the guards with Mike Conley OJ Mayo kyle Lowry and Marko Jaric.

Posted by: Emmet | July 23, 2008 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Question and answer from David Thorpe's chat...


Bill, D.C.: What did you think of Andray Blatche? He's only 22 and looks like he has a chance to contribute.

David Thorpe: I've heard that record before. It skips.

Posted by: mark | July 23, 2008 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Dwayne Wade
Chris Paul
Steve Nash
Kobe Bryant
Allen Iverson
Joe Johnson
Dwayne Wade
Tony Parker

Baron Davis and Chauncey Billups are about equal in my opinion.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 23, 2008 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Crittendon wouldn't be a bad pickup but, as usual, the question remains: What do the Wizards have that (A) they're willing to part with and (B) the Grizzlies want?

Posted by: kalorama | July 23, 2008 3:49 PM | Report abuse

It sure would be nice to talk some basketball...

The big question now is, can Gil regain his form? And will he be a more mature player with an expanded court sense to go with his scoring ability?

I'd venture that the answer would be yes on both counts. Like Clinton Portis, Gil is going into that part of the career where he's going to realize that the money, and the life style are all great. But these guys that are good enough to be All-Pro's and Allstars, all want that ring.

They realize championships are what set them apart. People forget, Gil actually had a rep as a better defender then offensive player when he got here. Gil improved his offensive game every year until the injury hit him. There are not many top offensive players who handle the ball everytime down the court that don't take plays off D.

Gil needs to strive for better balance in his game. At the beginning of last season when the team turned around before he went down with an injury he strung together some great all around games even though it was clear he wasn't right.

I'd agree with Grunfeld's thinking, before the injury bug hit two years ago the Wiz had the best record in the east. Eddie did it with a team that had zero depth so he was over playing his starters. Guys running over 40 minutes a game tend to wear down.

Now Blatche, McGuire, Young, are on hand to improve the team's depth from that crew thar featured the likes of Ruffin, Booth, and a crew of D leagurers. Will the improved defensive play of last year along with Gil and Thomas's return translate into a step up?

Those are the kind of things I'd like to see Wiz fans talk about.

Posted by: GM | July 23, 2008 3:55 PM | Report abuse

The thing that intrigues me about the possiblity of bringing Crittendon here would be his potential as a combo guard and defender.

That one of the things that made the Gil/Hughes combo go was Hughes ability to play make but also take on the other team's tougher guard to defend. Gil and Hughes often switched off on who they were defending. Quite often jumping a guy with a double team as they did it, which resulted in steals, or took seconds off the clock.

Crittendon has that kind of talent, his problem is he came out so young and has gotten caught in a log jam for playing time. He's not really progressed like he should have with being traded in the middle of the season.

He is not a proven pro so saying we have nothing to offer for him is a broken record. Memphis is apparently shopping for picks and or front court help. Ernie's got all of his picks available plus the conditional pick from Memphis.

I'm not sure Ernie would be looking real hard at Crittendon because he's not a real consistant shooter yet. Could Hopla remedy that? But if Ernie goes for a trade I'd guess he'd be looking for a guy to score off the bench. Specificlly one with some 3 point range.

Crittendon is not that guy. But I sure did like his talent when he was a Georgia Tech a couple of years ago. He's a guy that I think should have really stayed in school and worked on his game for another year or two.

Posted by: GM | July 23, 2008 4:16 PM | Report abuse

JC, As much as I dislike Hollinger's opinions, his system for rating players is proably the only halfway decent one out there. If you look at Gil's last 2 smie healthy years, his PER ratings were 23.87 and 24.07. That averages out to 23.97. That ranking would have put him in 9th place overall in the league. He would be the 4th best guard behind CP3, Kobe and Manu.

Posted by: mark | July 23, 2008 4:25 PM | Report abuse

And, still and again, you can't trade picks for players; players have to be offered on both sides.

And a player doesn't have to be a proven vet to have value. Crittendon is a young player at a tough to fill position who has shown some glimmer of promise and potential. They aren't going to get an all-star (or necessarily even a starter) back for him but that doesn't mean they'll take any crap they get offered. They aren't in a position where they absolutely have to trade him, right this minute. He's a cheap rookie with no clout. if they don't get a deal they like they can keep him with no loss.

Really, the only players with matching salaries the Wizards could offer are Young, McGee, or Pecherov. The aren't going to trade Young or McGee and Pecherov hasn't done anything to make anyone want him.

Which leaves the Wizards with what to offer, exactly?

Posted by: kalorama | July 23, 2008 4:27 PM | Report abuse

"here's a good question for the board, assuming arenas is as healthy as he was before the injury, what guards do you think are as good or better? doesn't have to be specific to pg, but try not to lump sfs masquerading as sgs, if possible...

Posted by: JC | July 23, 2008 3:37 PM "

What's the point?

Those guys who are better, like Chris Paul, aren't going to be traded here, so it doesn't mean squat who thinks whom is better.

Again, at the end, it doesn't matter which individual player is better. What matters is which team is better, and Chris Paul's team ended up #2 in the East at the end of the season, when it mattered...not #1 at the all star break, when it doesn't matter.

BTW, the term "injury bug" is mostly bogus.

When you have Caron attempting to block a shot and hurts his hand, that's a legitimate injury. When you have Caron stuck on an airplane instead of having a private chartered flight, then his resulting stiff back injury is bogus. When you have Caron tearing a muscle in his hip because he's overworked on an undermanned team, that injury is bogus.

When you have Gilby getting tackled at the knees by Gerald Wallace, that's a legitimate injury. When you have the same bonehead run behind parachutes, bike around town, and play street ball against doctor's/trainer's orders that costs you 1 entire season, that's not an injury bug. That's stupidity.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 23, 2008 4:30 PM | Report abuse

"JC, As much as I dislike Hollinger's opinions, his system for rating players is proably the only halfway decent one out there. If you look at Gil's last 2 smie healthy years, his PER ratings were 23.87 and 24.07. That averages out to 23.97. That ranking would have put him in 9th place overall in the league. He would be the 4th best guard behind CP3, Kobe and Manu.

Posted by: mark | July 23, 2008 4:25 PM "

Aren't you supposed to be on summer break dreaming up reasons why the Wiz are a finals team, yet again?

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 23, 2008 4:30 PM | Report abuse

...of course, looking at Dwayne Wade's last 2 healthy years (throwing out last year) and DWade would be #2 among guards (behind CP3's '08 total) and #3 overall (behind '08 Bron and '08 CP3).

Posted by: mark | July 23, 2008 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Chris Paul plays in the East now?

Posted by: Anonymous | July 23, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse

"Arenas has endeared himself to fans with his approachable nature and quirky ways, but he also has shown flashes of immaturity at times, undermining Jordan with comments to reporters and openly stating he is not a leader.

While vowing to remain true to himself, Arenas also said he understands that he has to make some changes.

"All of those little things I've done in the past are going to come to a halt," Arenas said. "I think I'm up to the task. I just need to cut out some of the foolishness I do. But I think it's a good thing. I create hype, I create excitement, but some of that other stuff, I know I have to calm down." "

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/07/22/AR2008072202676.html

It's a step in the right direction, Gilby....I've been telling you all along to cut the BS.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 23, 2008 4:35 PM | Report abuse

"Chris Paul plays in the East now?

Posted by: | July 23, 2008 4:33 PM "

Correction.

OMG. His team was even better. #2 in the West AT THE END OF THE SEASON!

Wow. CP is good...max money.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 23, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

I'm not advocating a trade for Crittendon. But to match salaries Pecherov would work. I agree Pecherov for Crittendon isn't something that Memphis would be inclined to do.

Sending them back their conditional first sweetens the pot, but not much. Consider sending them one of our future number ones. I think they'd bite in a minute.

So there "exactly" is what the Wizards could offer for Crittendon that Memphis would be highly likely to take.

Why, well 7' guys that can shoot and work hard aeren't a dime a dozen. Pecherov has been hurt alot since he's been here, but he's still young and tied to a rookie deal for several more years just like Crittendon.

Giving them back the conditional pick isn't a whole lot. Considering the state of their club it's likely in the end all the wiz will see is the cash considerations.

A future number one from us would be right up their alley. What if Gil or others get hurt? In the improved east, the Wiz could finish out of the playoffs and offer another shot a the number one pick.

That's not much, but in Memphis that's as good as anything else they can offer their fans. It's kind of like the Nationals trading a proven major league player for a AAA player. When your team really stinks, offer the fans a hope for improvement down the road.

Pecherov, a pick we'll likely never see, and next year's first rounder for Crittendon? Sounds like alot, but he was rated to be a very talented guy out of college. Would Ernie do it, not likely right now, because like I said before he's likely looking for a shooter if anyone at guard or small forward.

But if Daniels would go down for the year or Gil shows up really gimpy, it's a trade that would make some sense to both teams.

But I know Kal, you're always right. But weren't you the guy that kept insisting that Memphis would never deal Gasol for pennies on the dollar?

Other then unused cap space, what do they have to show for Gasol right now? A point gaurd who faces a log jam in front of him isn't alot to show for an Allstar.

Posted by: GM | July 23, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse

My only conclusion about baby thong is that he was born yesterday.

You're lucky and the bloggers on this site are lucky that I don't care enough to respond to your questions because it's not worth it.

It's just not.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 23, 2008 2:56 PM

Are you saying IC and ML are lucky that you don't respond? Specially when proven wrong? When you have no clue what you are talking about? Are you so ignorant you don't even know it? We are not bloggers, we reply & comment to the blog. The bloggers are Ivan and Michael.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 23, 2008 6:01 PM | Report abuse

"

My only conclusion about baby thong is that he was born yesterday.

You're lucky and the bloggers on this site are lucky that I don't care enough to respond to your questions because it's not worth it.

It's just not.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 23, 2008 2:56 PM"

Right. You don't care that you've been proven wrong and you don't care that you blatently lie and twist facts. Right. Listen, I actually agree with alot of what you say. Gil needs to mature. He needs to play more defense. He needs to score less and stop caring about his own stats. I just don't understand why you are always attacking other people and why you are always attacking Gil, especially.

Posted by: babbtong | July 23, 2008 6:41 PM | Report abuse

What to make of this Josh Childress deal to go to Greece? Three years, $20 million after taxes, with the right to opt out after each season...

Does this give the Wizards a *little* breathing room in the Southeast?

Posted by: Anonymous | July 23, 2008 8:00 PM | Report abuse

"Right. You don't care that you've been proven wrong and you don't care that you blatently lie and twist facts. Right. Listen, I actually agree with alot of what you say. Gil needs to mature. He needs to play more defense. He needs to score less and stop caring about his own stats. I just don't understand why you are always attacking other people and why you are always attacking Gil, especially.

Posted by: babbtong | July 23, 2008 6:41 PM "

Shadddup baby thong...I don't care if you agree or disagree with me.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 23, 2008 8:08 PM | Report abuse

"Are you saying IC and ML are lucky that you don't respond? Specially when proven wrong? When you have no clue what you are talking about? Are you so ignorant you don't even know it? We are not bloggers, we reply & comment to the blog. The bloggers are Ivan and Michael.

Posted by: | July 23, 2008 6:01 PM "

Proven wrong?

LMAO!!!!!

Puhleaze!

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 23, 2008 8:09 PM | Report abuse

dc man,

the point of my question was merely to stimulate a discussion. it sometimes gets pretty dry on this board with people just throwing disparaging remarks around to other board members, or to players. and since so many people have such strong feelings about arenas' abilities, i thought it'd be interesting to see who people came up with.

anyhow, i agree with a previous poster that bryant is definitely better. paul i think is better too, but seeing as how he really became dominate just this last season, i'd like to see him repeat it, just to be sure. wade has been better when healthy, but i think after the next couple of years, if he doesn't find himself somewhat of an outside shot, he may see his game decline. nash is certainly the better team player, if not the best in the league.

here's my order:

kobe
paul
nash
wade
arenas
iverson

davis
ginobli
johnson
billups

parker

Posted by: JC | July 23, 2008 8:25 PM | Report abuse

People....please! It is well known that 88Twerp is twisted and has no one to talk to or be with....he comes on here and posts BS just to get people stirred just to get attention. You know, like the bully on the schoolyard. If we would all (myself included) just SKIP OVER HIS POSTS and NOT RESPOND, he would be posting to himself. But everyone must do it or it will be for naught.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 23, 2008 8:52 PM | Report abuse

"Proven wrong?

LMAO!!!!!

Puhleaze!

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 23, 2008 8:09 PM "

Yes proven wrong. Time and again, you're constantly proven wrong.

Posted by: babbtong | July 23, 2008 11:21 PM | Report abuse

"Yes proven wrong. Time and again, you're constantly proven wrong.

Posted by: babbtong | July 23, 2008 11:21 PM "

ohhh ohhh...

LMAO!

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 23, 2008 11:34 PM | Report abuse

My order with caveats...

First off, so many of the guys here play in different systems, are required to do different things and have different styles... that said...

kobe
paul
nash**
wade*
arenas*
davis**
johnson
parker
billups

iverson

ginobli

* wade and arenas are kinda hard to slot right now, i think if we assume they can return to near previous levels of play this is where I would have them.

** Nash is clearly great, but I wonder how much longer he is going to be peak... he is a player who can continue to be good as he ages cause he is a smart player, but I don't know if he will be top 3 at the end of this season. Same with Baron...

Posted by: g | July 24, 2008 12:24 AM | Report abuse

"Why, well 7' guys that can shoot and work hard aeren't a dime a dozen."

Seven foot guys who can shoot WELL aren't a dime a dozen. Slow-footed, nonathletic, non-defense playing 7-footers with no low post offense who shoot 28% from 3 pt range are ... well, they may not be easy to find either, but it's OK, because no one is actually looking too hard for them.

Pecherov may one day turn out to be a player. But nothing he's done so far has given any indication of it happening any time soon. He's awful.

And you keep brining up his supposed "hard work" ethic. I can only assume you read about that somewhere, because hard of part work is physical conditioning, and his obvious lack of condition during those rare days when he's uninjured enough to actually play calls that "hard work' into serious question.

"When your team really stinks, offer the fans a hope for improvement down the road."

And you think Memphis fans will view Pecherov as a sign of hope? You must be the world's biggest optimist.


"But I know Kal, you're always right."

Nope. I'm just not prone to sit by and pretend like other people who clearly think they're always right (and get mad as hornets when anyone suggests otherwise) spoon feed us their opinions, guesses, and wishes as actual fact.

"But weren't you the guy that kept insisting that Memphis would never deal Gasol for pennies on the dollar?"

They didn't deal him for "pennies on the dollar." They traded him for $9 million dollars in cap space. That's a sh*t-load of pennies.

"Other then unused cap space, what do they have to show for Gasol right now?"

That implies that cap space is somehow not a valuable commodity in and of itself. Which is a pretty funny position coming from a guy who swore up and down, on a near daily basis, that the Grizzlies would jump like rabbits with their asses on fire at the chance to trade Gasol for Jamison's expiring contract (and the ensuing cap space it represented). And by "funny" I mean "conveniently revisionist."

Posted by: kalorama | July 24, 2008 1:18 AM | Report abuse

Oh, BTW, that "unused cap space" which you so maligned is what's going to allow them to sign Pau Gasol's brother Marc (who numerous analyst and experts say would have been a sure lottery pick in this year's draft) to a contract.

Posted by: kalorama | July 24, 2008 1:27 AM | Report abuse

kal-
And, still and again, you can't trade picks for players; players have to be offered on both sides.


didnt the nets just trade williams to the warriors for a conditional 1st (similar to our memphis pick)

Posted by: Anonymous | July 24, 2008 8:14 AM | Report abuse

the warriors had cap room, Wiz don't

Posted by: Anonymous | July 24, 2008 8:15 AM | Report abuse

Page that tracks salaries:
http://hoopshype.com/salaries.htm

It may not be 100% accurate, but it gives me an idea. The page for Wizards salaries indicates Dominic McGuire does not have a guarantee this year, and Blatche is guaranteed only until this year. Is that true?

Posted by: rgz | July 24, 2008 8:56 AM | Report abuse

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/jul/23/with-great-deal-comes-greater-responsibility/

Good article on GA signing and the responsibilities that come with it. Nice quotes that are right on the money.


"Arenas has not demonstrated he is made of championship stuff. He merely has shown he is a high-scoring guard with a magnetic disposition.

He has considerable room to grow before he gets where he wants to be, starting with embracing the basketball tenets espoused by Eddie Jordan..."

"For better or worse, the onus is now on Arenas. He is being paid franchise-player money, and franchise players are obligated to lead by example on both ends of the floor.

And that includes the defensive end of the floor, always a touchy subject with Arenas."

Posted by: Anonymous | July 24, 2008 8:57 AM | Report abuse

kal-
And, still and again, you can't trade picks for players; players have to be offered on both sides.


didnt the nets just trade williams to the warriors for a conditional 1st (similar to our memphis pick)

Posted by: | July 24, 2008 8:14 AM

And what about the Camby trade? I'm very interested about these developments. How are they allowable under the current CBA? Was there a change to the rules that we aren't aware of?

Posted by: Anonymous | July 24, 2008 9:56 AM | Report abuse

last post mine

Posted by: jones-y | July 24, 2008 9:59 AM | Report abuse

williams was traded for a pick ...williams is to make 1.26 mill this year which we have the cap space for?

Posted by: Anonymous | July 24, 2008 10:24 AM | Report abuse

williams was traded for a pick ...williams is to make 1.26 mill this year which we have the cap space for?

Posted by: | July 24, 2008 10:24 AM

NO. We have space under the luxury tax and are able to pay players with what is left of the MLE that will be under the tax line or the minimum player exception. Wizards are over the salary cap.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 24, 2008 10:36 AM | Report abuse

And what about the Camby trade? I'm very interested about these developments. How are they allowable under the current CBA? Was there a change to the rules that we aren't aware of?

Posted by: | July 24, 2008 9:56 AM

For the Nth time, the Clippers had space UNDER the cap. They absorbed Camby's salary under that space.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 24, 2008 10:42 AM | Report abuse

"NEW YORK, July 9, 2008 - The National Basketball Association today announced that the Salary Cap for the 2008-09 season will be $58.680 million. The new Cap goes into effect immediately as the league's "moratorium period" has ended and teams can begin signing free agents and making trades.
"The tax level for the 2008-09 season has been set at $71.150 million. Any team whose team salary exceeds that figure will pay a $1 tax for each $1 by which it exceeds $71.150 million.

"The mid-level exception is $5.585 million for the 2008-09 season and the minimum team salary, which is set at 75% of the Salary Cap, is $44.010 million."

I could be wrong but I think Wizards salaries is around $69M now. Ivan may have mentioned the figure in a previous blog.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 24, 2008 10:52 AM | Report abuse

The erstwhile PG lists are neglecting one of the top young PG's in the NBA, Deron Williams, Utah. I'd take him over Arenas; though Gil may still improve in those areas where something is lacking... maturity and basketball savvy, maybe GA will ascend to the next level in 08.
Next season will be interesting for the, 'what ifs;' the two biggest ifs are health and the back up cast... the task of maturing, developing and integrating the younger players into the game.

Posted by: Myshkin | July 24, 2008 11:07 AM | Report abuse

"The erstwhile PG lists are neglecting one of the top young PG's in the NBA, Deron Williams, Utah." - Myshkin

it's not just a pg list ,but a guard list, pg or sg. williams is very good and may be better than arenas in the "pure pg" category. but in the overall "guard" category, i think he falls just outside of the top ten, but will probably be moving up in the next couple of seasons.

Posted by: JC | July 24, 2008 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Pecherov and Blatche need to workout with Idan Ravin who helped toughen up Arenas, Stevenson, Paul, Haywood, West, Brand, James and a whole bunch of other guys.
Shooting hoops at the phone booth won't suffice.

Posted by: rgz | July 24, 2008 12:04 PM | Report abuse

I'd have to admit that it's a heckuva great deal for Childress to leave the NBA for that greek team. He gets 20 mil guaranteed, and can opt out after each year.

Sounds to me like this could eventually kick start a new league, and the emperor, Dave Stern, will be left with only his clothes on.

Guys with the Wiz should consider walking too.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 24, 2008 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 24, 2008 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Warm bodies with a contract are often included in trades to match contracts where the real value a team is acquiring is stashed in future picks.

Pecherov hasn't accomplished much yet, but he's still on his rookie deal just like Crittendon. their salaries should be close enough for a match.

Getting their future number one back, plus a first rounder from the Wiz would be something they would consider for a guy that is about their 4th point right now. They've also got Conley and Lowry which are two youngsters that need playing time too.

As I've said three times I really don't think the Wiz are looking in that direction with the signing of Dee Brown. If Ernie needs something right now it's a two or a three with shooting range. Crittendon is big and has the frame to grow into a guy that could take on twos and some threes defensively.

A guy like that could have alot of value to match with Gil down the road. He could take some of the playmaking load and match up with bigger guards defensively. If Young would mature into a starter I could see Crittendon as a third guard who could replace either guard.

But when I've seen him play he can't catch and shoot well and has no real range yet. His mechanics on his jumper seem a little screwed up. So he doesn't offer what the Wiz need so much on a short term basis.

But he's still a player with a lot of talent that seems stuck in a log jam.
He's a guy that could just be set free after next year if Memphis decides not to offer him a contract, so he bears watching.

I've always liked the guy, he reminds me of Strawberry alot. A lot of people doubted him, but Strawberry appears to be headed toward being Nash's backup this year.

Sometimes the NBA is about finding a team and a system to support a players talents.

A guy who fits that description is Jaun Dixon, he had some success here in this system but wanted a starting role. He sure has had trouble finding a niche in this league since he left. Sometimes guys don't know what they have til it's gone...

Posted by: GM | July 24, 2008 2:40 PM | Report abuse

yah 88 but we are talking Hollinger here. If I were a Milwaukee fan and Hollinger acolyte, though, I would be sweating the choice of Joe Alexander.

Posted by: khrabb | July 24, 2008 2:45 PM | Report abuse

"didnt the nets just trade williams to the warriors for a conditional 1st (similar to our memphis pick)"

The Warriors are well under the salary cap. The Wizards are well over it.

Posted by: kalorama | July 24, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse

So I guess that was the 10th time.

Posted by: kalorama | July 24, 2008 3:07 PM | Report abuse

AJ, O Pesh, & D Mac for Okafor? Are you nutz? D mac is a rising star, AJ is defensively challenged but improved last year, O Pesh...lets see what he does by the trade deadline.

Any news about Robert "Big Shot Bob" Horry coming to DC? Post season is all about the front court.

Posted by: Good Dad | July 24, 2008 3:18 PM | Report abuse

"Getting their future number one back, plus a first rounder from the Wiz would be something they would consider for a guy that is about their 4th point right now."

I seriously doubt getting their pick back will serve as any real enticement to Memphis because, given the levels of protection attached to the pick, odds are very high that the Wiz will never see a #1 pick from Memphis and will end up settling for a 2nd rounder and cash.

Posted by: kalorama | July 24, 2008 3:33 PM | Report abuse

"Sometimes the NBA is about finding a team and a system to support a players talents."

you said a mouthful there.

Posted by: G$ | July 24, 2008 3:39 PM | Report abuse

"....Are you nutz? D mac is a rising star....

Posted by: Good Dad | July 24, 2008 3:18 PM "

LMAO!

I think you should have quit while you were ahead.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 24, 2008 4:00 PM | Report abuse

We have enough shooters/scorers. FALSE, in the modified Princeton offense system that Washington plays, all players on the court should be able to pass, dribble and shoot even out to 3 pt range.

Okafor is an upgrade to Jamison. FALSE, Okafor pt average is 14, Jamison last year did 21.4. Where are you going to get the difference? Okafor's PER is 17.4, AJ's is 20.32. Assuming that Okafor is better at defense than Antawn, it still does not make up the difference in value to the team.

Okafor is an upgrade to Haywood. FALSE, Okafor is not a center. Haywood's PER is higher at 18.7. Nazr Mohammed is Charlotte's C. They don't need Okafor, why would we?

It's a good thing Ernie's in charge of the team, not the coach potatoes around here, pun intended.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 24, 2008 6:17 PM | Report abuse

Pun?

Posted by: kalorama | July 24, 2008 7:20 PM | Report abuse

Princeton Offense.

Can anyone name a team that employed the Princeton Offense that garnered anything besides hype?

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 24, 2008 8:01 PM | Report abuse

BTW, while we're on the subject of AJ, who's been healthy the past 3 seasons.

Sure, he's had great numbers, but have the Wiz gotten out of the first round?

People are so hyped about offense. The last few teams that won rings won them because of their tough defense.

When will we see the Nuggets or the Warriors win anything? Probably never.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 24, 2008 8:05 PM | Report abuse

The last few teams who won titles had a balance of both offense and scoring. The Wizards are weighted too heavily to one side. But exchanging Okafor for Jamison doesn't really collect the balance. It takes away a huge chunk of offense but doesn't give them an equally huge chunk of defense in return.

Posted by: kalorama | July 24, 2008 8:27 PM | Report abuse

The last few teams who won titles had a balance of both offense and scoring. The Wizards are weighted too heavily to one side. But exchanging Okafor for Jamison doesn't really collect the balance. It takes away a huge chunk of offense but doesn't give them an equally huge chunk of defense in return.

Posted by: kalorama | July 24, 2008 8:30 PM | Report abuse

"in the modified Princeton offense system that Washington plays, all players on the court should be able to pass, dribble and shoot even out to 3 pt range."

Well, I guess Haywood is done her, since he doesn't really do any of those three things esp. well.

Posted by: kalorama | July 24, 2008 8:33 PM | Report abuse

"But exchanging Okafor for Jamison doesn't really collect the balance. It takes away a huge chunk of offense but doesn't give them an equally huge chunk of defense in return.

Posted by: kalorama | July 24, 2008 8:30 PM "

Last season, AJ averaged 17.9 shots/game resulting in 21.4 pt average. Keep in mind Gilby's absence last season affected AJ's shot increases.

Last season, Okafor averaged 10.5 shots/game resulting in 13.8 pts/game.

Those 7.4 shots/game that will be lost from AJ, doesn't mean that no one else on the Wiz will take them instead. Those 7.4 more attempts aren't just going away. AJ also averaged 5 more minutes/game and is 7 years older.

Getting Okafor will in fact help decrease the opponent's output. Wiz won't have to try to keep up the scoring pace just to win, but instead, can focus on shutting some teams down in the paint.

Also, Okafor is a much better career rebounder (10.9 vs. 7.9), and averages 1.6 blocks more per game than AJ, nevermind the shots he changes. Both guys average the same # of turnovers at 1.8/game.

I'd take my chances with Okafor against Brand, O'Neal, Bosh, Howard, Curry, KG, Bargnani, Drew Gooden, Beaseley, Rashard Lewis, and Zach Randolph.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/stats?playerId=385

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/stats?playerId=2399

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 24, 2008 10:40 PM | Report abuse

I like the notion of Juan Dixon on this team. He could fill some of what the Wiz lost with the departure of RM, spot up three and half decent D. Plus he has a champion's heart and spirit.,,that would be nice if it rubbed off a little on GA. Not sure JD would come to the Wiz though unless there are no other takers, as he is not yet willing to admit he isnt a starter or even a sixth man in this league.

Posted by: oddjob | July 24, 2008 10:41 PM | Report abuse

okafor is a solid defender, and there's no doubt he'd help us out in certain areas. but i wonder if he's really any better than blatche? if you take just the games this season where blatche played at least 30 minutes, he averaged about 33min, 1st, 2.5blk, 10rb, 2ast, and 14pt.

okafor's line was 33min, 1st, 1,7blk, 10.7rb, 1ast, and 14pt.

makes you wonder how good blatche could be if he was given 30+ minutes a game since his rookie year.

anyway, we can't trade jamison or arenas until sometime in december, so the only trades going on this summer for us will be with more minor players or butler.

Posted by: JC | July 25, 2008 12:12 AM | Report abuse

The Wiz could always use a good guy like Juan. A second team of AD, Juan, Nick, AJ, and Etan/JaBust/DMac would give the team a good boost.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 25, 2008 12:54 AM | Report abuse

People are so hyped about offense. The last few teams that won rings won them because of their tough defense.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 24, 2008 8:05 PM

And they scored no points? Clearly delusional. What do you call Pierce - a defensive specialist? How about Allen? Tony Parker? No first and foremost those guys score. You can defend all you want but if the team does not rebound and score you're out of the game.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 25, 2008 8:27 AM | Report abuse

"And they scored no points? Clearly delusional. What do you call Pierce - a defensive specialist? How about Allen? Tony Parker? No first and foremost those guys score. You can defend all you want but if the team does not rebound and score you're out of the game.

Posted by: | July 25, 2008 8:27 AM "

Get real.

Without defense, you can't win championships. Obviously the teams that won have scoring ability, but it's the defense that wins.

Idiot.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 25, 2008 8:33 AM | Report abuse

Okafor is not better than Jamison period.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 25, 2008 8:33 AM | Report abuse

Pun?

Posted by: kalorama | July 24, 2008 7:20 PM

Coach potato!

Posted by: Anonymous | July 25, 2008 8:34 AM | Report abuse

re: Okafor

One more thing that Okafor would bring to the Wiz besides D is scoring in the paint.

The Wiz had little inside scoring the past 3 years, even though they "lit it up." Teams that don't have inside threats get exposed during the playoffs.

AJ shot .436 last season.

Okafor shot .535 last season.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 25, 2008 8:37 AM | Report abuse

"Coach potato!

Posted by: | July 25, 2008 8:34 AM "

sofa spud

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 25, 2008 8:38 AM | Report abuse

All of those points are moot. AJ can't be traded for the next couple months and after that he won't be traded. It would have been much easier to move AJ last year with an expiring contract. EG didn't lock him up for the next couple of years just to trade him away.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 25, 2008 9:02 AM | Report abuse

"Okafor is not better than Jamison period.

Posted by: | July 25, 2008 8:33 AM "

dumbo. Stop distorting things.

Nobody said Okafor is better than AJ.

What is being said is that the Wiz need someone with Okafor's skill set, and Okafor is 7 years younger.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 25, 2008 9:15 AM | Report abuse

"All of those points are moot. AJ can't be traded for the next couple months and after that he won't be traded. It would have been much easier to move AJ last year with an expiring contract. EG didn't lock him up for the next couple of years just to trade him away.

Posted by: | July 25, 2008 9:02 AM "

Of course these points are OBE, but what it does reinforce is that EG's being content with status quo isn't going to take this team to the next level.

EG says he wants to see this experiment and how this team will do when fully healthy.

Well, he signed AJ for 5 years and Gilby for 6. That's not an experiment. That's a commitment.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 25, 2008 9:18 AM | Report abuse

"And they scored no points? Clearly delusional. What do you call Pierce - a defensive specialist? How about Allen? Tony Parker? No first and foremost those guys score. You can defend all you want but if the team does not rebound and score you're out of the game.

Posted by: | July 25, 2008 8:27 AM "

Lisa, try this.

Defensive Player of the Year, KG.

I'm sure the Wiz could use someone who was at the caliber of being anointed defensive player of the year.

Guess what, he scores too! Just like Kobe, he scores and defends (all defensive team)! What a concept!

http://www.nba.com/news/garnett_defensive_080422.html

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 25, 2008 9:23 AM | Report abuse

Yup, everything you just said is right on.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 25, 2008 9:23 AM | Report abuse

and yet Garnett plays for Celtics with the highest salary in all of the NBA. Clearly delusional.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 25, 2008 10:15 AM | Report abuse

More NBA players headed Europe .... maybe.
Delonte West, Andris Biedrins?
http://hoopshype.com/rumors.htm

Posted by: Anonymous | July 25, 2008 10:16 AM | Report abuse

Nobody said Okafor is better than AJ.

What is being said is that the Wiz need someone with Okafor's skill set, and Okafor is 7 years younger.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 25, 2008 9:15 AM

And yet you wanted to exchange THREE Wizards including Jamison for Okafor. Dumb is an understatement for what you spout.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 25, 2008 10:18 AM | Report abuse

If the Wizards had ANY thoughts of trading Jamison it would have been done last season or as a sign and trade.

Okafor's trade value becomes very low if he decides to play on the tender at 7m. A team trading for him takes the risk of his not resigning longterm and ending up "renting" him for the year.

As has been said several times, Jamison can't be dealt until December. If Okafor is going to move, it might be closer to the trade deadline if MJ comes down to seeing he may walk outright.

Sure, if I were the Wiz I'd monitor the situation could be a guy that would be bought on the cheap. But giving up Jamison for Okafor without Okafor commiting longterm is giving up a lot. Jamison is now signed to a very reasonable deal.

Okafor is looking for 12m, that's nearly Arenas money, I can think of a lot better ways to spend that kind of money. Thomas, Daniels, Songalia, and other contracts are up summer of 2010. Plus Ernie can renounce rights to Pecherov or Young if they don't develop.

Not sure that Ernie's interested in commiting big money to Okafor now.

Posted by: GM | July 25, 2008 10:18 AM | Report abuse

"and yet Garnett plays for Celtics with the highest salary in all of the NBA. Clearly delusional.

Posted by: | July 25, 2008 10:15 AM "

Yeah, I'm sure everyone in Boston was complaining about KG's salary during the parade after the championship.

See in this video how they are burning down the town.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VO25h8ScQQ0

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 25, 2008 10:54 AM | Report abuse

"And yet you wanted to exchange THREE Wizards including Jamison for Okafor. Dumb is an understatement for what you spout.

Posted by: | July 25, 2008 10:18 AM "

I said we should trade AJ, Opech, and DMac (to match salaries) for Okafor (12mil/year request).

Okafor, a 25 year old big man who averaged double double and can play D...a dime a dozen in this league.

I'm sure everyone at the VC will be broken hearted with the loss of Opech and DMac if this trade is consummated. You know, all three of these guys were critical players in the Wiz's success the past playoffs.

You make it clearer every time why you post without a name..but we know you as Lisa anyway, b/c no one can say such dumb things.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 25, 2008 10:58 AM | Report abuse

dc mann....imo charlotte would have to come off with a pick or 2

Posted by: Anonymous | July 25, 2008 11:03 AM | Report abuse

"dc mann....imo charlotte would have to come off with a pick or 2

Posted by: | July 25, 2008 11:03 AM "

Why not?

What have EG's picks amounted too? Raw, unpolished dudes who will never get serious PT b/c of EJ.

If the motto is "win now," especially with the investment spent on Gilby and AJ with their signings this offseason, why do future draft picks matter?

Not bad enough to be in the lottery...never good enough to CONTEND (just pretend) for the championship.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 25, 2008 11:09 AM | Report abuse

"Sure, if I were the Wiz I'd monitor the situation could be a guy that would be bought on the cheap. But giving up Jamison for Okafor without Okafor commiting longterm is giving up a lot. Jamison is now signed to a very reasonable deal.

Okafor is looking for 12m, that's nearly Arenas money, I can think of a lot better ways to spend that kind of money. Thomas, Daniels, Songalia, and other contracts are up summer of 2010. Plus Ernie can renounce rights to Pecherov or Young if they don't develop.

Not sure that Ernie's interested in commiting big money to Okafor now.

Posted by: GM | July 25, 2008 10:18 AM "

You must have been asleep all summer and/or busy ordering snow melt for this winter..otherwise, you would have read my suggestion that EG should have initiated a sign and trade for AJ and Okafor.

Granted MJ probably wouldn't want to do business with Abe, but AJ used to attend UNC (didn't graduate as didn't MJ; Larry did), wants to retire in NC, and would provide leadership for their young team.

Instead, EG chose status quo. Let the experiment play out with 5 & 6 years totaling 161 million dollars.

Of course, you and your 30 years of Wizards/BouleS knowledge would rather spend 12 mil on "ET, DSong, and AD."

The summer heat must have affected your brain when you typed that sentence.

All championship caliber guys in your mind, I guess.

Unfortunately, NBA Players don't age like wine. They generally don't get better with age past their early 30's (ET-30 yrs, heart issues, DSong-30 yrs with no athletic ability, and AD-33 and beaten down).

What a great investment...like snow melt during the DC summer.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 25, 2008 11:21 AM | Report abuse

imo, trading for okafor is just not what this team needs right now. he'd be a redundant player. i think that blatche, as a starter, can be just as effective as okafor, and a lot cheaper.

i honestly think the biggest way this team can improve is to get and stay healthy. nobody wins consistently in the playoffs without their best players available.

it's becoming popular to say that that is just an excuse. but are the celtics even making it out of the first round if garnett was lost to injury? the lakers without bryant? would cleveland even be in the playoffs without lebron? san antonio without duncan? no without paul? how good are the magic without howard? or toronto without bosh?

there only a couple teams that can lose their best player and probably still make a dent. detroit and phoenix being the prime examples.

barring a trade for an extremely good center or sg, or moves to clear future salary cap space via our bench, we shouldn't evaluate this team until we see them play for the first few months of the season together. they basically took last year's over .500 team and added one of the top scoring guards in the league to the roster. and it's even possible that a second year under ayer's defensive system might make them improve their team defense finally....

Posted by: JC | July 25, 2008 11:35 AM | Report abuse

"Manila with 10 million people is the third largest market in Asia for American branded athletic gear. And there is no child labor in the Philippines making Adidas shoes, or didn't you know that already and just wanted to lie again?

Posted by: | July 23, 2008 1:52 PM "

Yeah, and out of that 10 mil, maybe 1% of them can spell N-B-A.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 25, 2008 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Has anyone been hearing any recent rumors of where Josh Smith is going to end up? I love that dude's game and I hope he ends up on a team with more national coverage than the Hawks. Last I heard the ownership situation in Atlanta and lack of cap room on other teams would lead to him signing a one year qualifying offer, is that still the case?

Posted by: Anonymous | July 25, 2008 11:52 AM | Report abuse

"Yeah, and out of that 10 mil, maybe 1% of them can spell N-B-A"

DCMan 88 - I'm for you on the AJ-Okafor trade scenario BUT as a Filipino I'm much offended with your racist remark.

I'm pretty sure you haven't step foot on Philippine soil as you don't know what you're talking about. Yes, Philippines is a 3rd world country but not a lot of people know that my Country considers English as their second language. You might be totally surprise that Filipinos who are not even a high school grad can talk and write in ave. english. By the way, the people that helps you when you have issues with your internet, phones or others (those 1-800 nos.) most likely you are speaking with somebody from outside the US. So it is much appreciated if you keep the topic within the NBA.

Posted by: Roy | July 25, 2008 12:22 PM | Report abuse

"I'm pretty sure you haven't step foot on Philippine soil as you don't know what you're talking about. Yes, Philippines is a 3rd world country but not a lot of people know that my Country considers English as their second language. You might be totally surprise that Filipinos who are not even a high school grad can talk and write in ave. english. By the way, the people that helps you when you have issues with your internet, phones or others (those 1-800 nos.) most likely you are speaking with somebody from outside the US. So it is much appreciated if you keep the topic within the NBA.

Posted by: Roy | July 25, 2008 12:22 PM "

My bad.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 25, 2008 12:43 PM | Report abuse

You tell him Roy! My brother dated a girl from the Philippines years ago. Like Roy said many many people there are very fluent in english.

Also was a country that had very large American military bases for many years. The people are very interested in our culture from what I've seen.

Racist, stupid remarks really don't have any value here.

But Roy, I've got to disagree on Jamison for Okafor. Jamison is the glue that made this a winning franchise. He can't be traded til Dec. since he just signed a new deal. And Pollin rates him right behind Unseld as one of his all time favorites.

Okafor os a good player, is he worth 12m on a 6 year deal that would take him up to about 15-16m at the end? Charlotte doesn't think so and they desperately need players.

He's a guy that I'd consider renting if Jordan makes up his mind that he'll let him walk at season end. Sometimes you can pickup a vet like him real cheap and use him for the playoffs.

When he gets here and sees what it's like to play for a winner his demands could come down. But I'd think that the Wiz would never consider a Jamison for Okafor deal. i don't think the coach, General Manager or Owner would even consider that one.

Posted by: GM | July 25, 2008 12:46 PM | Report abuse

I think what GM was saying was that when ET, Songaila, and AD's contracts are retired, then the Wizards will have the money to go after an Okafur. Or hopefully, somebody better. As matters now stand, they don't, even if Jordan was willing to trade him for Jamison--which he would only do if he knew that Okafur was dying of some secret contagious disease.

As for the Juan Dixon suggestion, I love Juan. But as long as we have AD and Young, there isn't a single reason to re-sign him. Dee Brown may suck, but he's still a better ball distributor.

And I agree about the Phillipines. They should be our 51st state (or do we have 57 already, I can't remember.) They're probably more patriotic toward the US than we are. And they're great b-ball fans.

Posted by: KTV | July 25, 2008 12:51 PM | Report abuse

The word around Atlanta is that if anyone makes an offer for Josh Smith, the Hawks will match/beat it. Probably even more desperately now that Childress dipped out to Europe.

Posted by: G$ | July 25, 2008 1:17 PM | Report abuse

"And I agree about the Phillipines. They should be our 51st state (or do we have 57 already, I can't remember.) They're probably more patriotic toward the US than we are. And they're great b-ball fans.

Posted by: KTV | July 25, 2008 12:51 PM "

Yup, they sure appreciated the military base in Subic Bay and Clark Air base that they voted to close them.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 25, 2008 1:24 PM | Report abuse

"You tell him Roy! My brother dated a girl from the Philippines years ago. Like Roy said many many people there are very fluent in english.

Also was a country that had very large American military bases for many years. The people are very interested in our culture from what I've seen.

Racist, stupid remarks really don't have any value here.

But Roy, I've got to disagree on Jamison for Okafor. Jamison is the glue that made this a winning franchise. He can't be traded til Dec. since he just signed a new deal. And Pollin rates him right behind Unseld as one of his all time favorites.

Okafor os a good player, is he worth 12m on a 6 year deal that would take him up to about 15-16m at the end? Charlotte doesn't think so and they desperately need players.

He's a guy that I'd consider renting if Jordan makes up his mind that he'll let him walk at season end. Sometimes you can pickup a vet like him real cheap and use him for the playoffs.

When he gets here and sees what it's like to play for a winner his demands could come down. But I'd think that the Wiz would never consider a Jamison for Okafor deal. i don't think the coach, General Manager or Owner would even consider that one.

Posted by: GM | July 25, 2008 12:46 PM "

GM is a nutjob. Watching the Wiz/BouleS for the past 45 years, he's learned nothing about basketball.

"GM" should be renamed "ball boy."

BTW, your bro dating a filipina has nothing to do with anything representative of their people.

You are a nutjob but that doesn't mean everyone in the hardware store business is a nutjob.

Go back to stacking those bags of icemelt for the great freeze.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 25, 2008 1:29 PM | Report abuse

no to Okafur. yes to a low cost vet....say a Ruben Patterson or a Corliss Williamson

Posted by: G$ | July 25, 2008 1:30 PM | Report abuse

GM - Yes, you're probably correct with the trade clause and being the owner's fave. I just based my comment on what Okafor's strengths are with what the Wizards team's need. The team lacks a Big guy, good low post scorer, great D and athletic and Okafor sure fits the bill.

KTV - They adore NBA players there. Go to youtube and search Kobe or Arenas in Manila and you'll see how they idolize NBA superstars when they visit the country.

Posted by: Roy, | July 25, 2008 1:45 PM | Report abuse

"KTV - They adore NBA players there. Go to youtube and search Kobe or Arenas in Manila and you'll see how they idolize NBA superstars when they visit the country.

Posted by: Roy, | July 25, 2008 1:45 PM "

I wonder if any of those little kids asked Gilby why he was busy in their country and not preparing for the Olympics since he's supposedly a big time NBA baller.

Oh yeah, I forgot. His knee is still not 200% yet.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 25, 2008 1:58 PM | Report abuse

"But Roy, I've got to disagree on Jamison for Okafor. Jamison is the glue that made this a winning franchise. He can't be traded til Dec. since he just signed a new deal. And Pollin rates him right behind Unseld as one of his all time favorites.

Posted by: GM | July 25, 2008 12:46 PM ""

Winning what?

Who else is Pollin going to rate AJ after? Labradford Smith? Dan Roundfield? Manute Bol? Leon Wood? Hot Plate? Ladell Eackles? Mark Alarie? Mel Turpin? Muggsy Bogues? Chris Webber? Juwan Howard? Tommy Hammonds? Tyrone Nesby? Peter John Ramos?

Puhleaze...

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 25, 2008 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Yup, they sure appreciated the military base in Subic Bay and Clark Air base that they voted to close them.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 25, 2008 1:24 PM

If opening your house to a visitor for almost 50 years is not appreciative enough then and I don't know what is.

Posted by: Roy | July 25, 2008 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Why is evryone harping over Emeka Okafor???? Are you kidding me. Hey Ivan,
we need a new post and fast because DCMann is going nuts over here.

Over

Posted by: Burg w/ a U | July 25, 2008 2:42 PM | Report abuse

"If opening your house to a visitor for almost 50 years is not appreciative enough then and I don't know what is.

Posted by: Roy | July 25, 2008 2:28 PM "

It wasn't free room and board, my friend. Those bases spurred the local economy, both on main street and the back alleys.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 25, 2008 2:44 PM | Report abuse

"Winning what?

Who else is Pollin going to rate AJ after? Labradford Smith? Dan Roundfield? Manute Bol? Leon Wood? Hot Plate? Ladell Eackles? Mark Alarie? Mel Turpin? Muggsy Bogues? Chris Webber? Juwan Howard? Tommy Hammonds? Tyrone Nesby? Peter John Ramos?

Puhleaze...

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 25, 2008 2:17 PM "

Rod Strickland? Tracey Murray? Robert Pack? Gheorge Muresan? Jimmy Mac? Brent Price? Rex Chapman? Moses "Did Nothing" Malone? Mark "Plantar Fasciitis" Price? Pervis Ellison? Jerry "Shut it down" Stackhouse? Charles "Secret Weapon" Jones? Mitch Richmond?

Get real!

The list goes on...

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 25, 2008 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Knick's just signed Anthony Roberson(Fla.) for 800k good outside shooter played for Vancouver and Golden State probably would have been a good fit here at the point. Where were you Ernie on this one?

Posted by: dargregmag@aol.com | July 25, 2008 3:04 PM | Report abuse

now who was it who asked why people don't like this 88er creature?

Posted by: Anonymous | July 25, 2008 3:13 PM | Report abuse

It wasn't free room and board, my friend. Those bases spurred the local economy, both on main street and the back alleys.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 25, 2008 2:44 PM

You are not my friend.

And I guess it is just a one way deal. Right?

Posted by: Roy | July 25, 2008 3:34 PM | Report abuse

"You are not my friend.

And I guess it is just a one way deal. Right?

Posted by: Roy | July 25, 2008 3:34 PM "

What's your point dude?

You can't change history about those bases and what they brought. The good and bad.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 25, 2008 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, and out of that 10 mil, maybe 1% of them can spell N-B-A.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 25, 2008 11:41 AM

DC Bigot88. Has a nice ring, don't you think?

Posted by: jones-y | July 25, 2008 3:51 PM | Report abuse

As usual the most intelligent posts on this blog are from GM. He presents his opinion without being offensive or idiotic like we all know who, and discusses real basketball issues not imaginary scenarios....his posts are observant and interesting and stay away from the ridiculous mano a mano posturing that too many people on this blog feel a need to do. This should be a discussion site not a 3rd grade playground.

Posted by: arnie | July 25, 2008 3:53 PM | Report abuse

My point is, both the US and Philippine gov't gained something with these bases...as you said both good and bad.

Posted by: Roy, | July 25, 2008 3:56 PM | Report abuse

"As usual the most intelligent posts on this blog are from GM. He presents his opinion without being offensive or idiotic like we all know who, and discusses real basketball issues not imaginary scenarios....his posts are observant and interesting and stay away from the ridiculous mano a mano posturing that too many people on this blog feel a need to do. This should be a discussion site not a 3rd grade playground.

Posted by: arnie | July 25, 2008 3:53 PM "

Arnold should practice what he preaches.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 25, 2008 4:08 PM | Report abuse

And yet you wanted to exchange THREE Wizards including Jamison for Okafor. Dumb is an understatement for what you spout.

Posted by: | July 25, 2008 10:18 AM "

I said we should trade AJ, Opech, and DMac (to match salaries) for Okafor (12mil/year request).

Okafor, a 25 year old big man who averaged double double and can play D...a dime a dozen in this league.

You make it clearer every time why you post without a name..but we know you as Lisa anyway, b/c no one can say such dumb things.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 25, 2008 10:58 AM

1. you just proved you are dumb for wanting to exchange/trade three Wizards players for Okafor, disregarding the basketball value of the players just because he WANTS $12M that Charlotte does not want to pay him? and what would replace the two other players?

2. dime a dozen disproves Okafor's value TO THE WIZARDS
3. more than one person is posting without a name and none of them are Lisa.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 25, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

BTW, just for the record, I'm a stockboy at the hardware store. My mas'er GM told me to type nice words about him.

Posted by: arnie | July 25, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

"2. dime a dozen disproves Okafor's value TO THE WIZARDS
3. more than one person is posting without a name and none of them are Lisa.

Posted by: | July 25, 2008 4:09 PM "

2. I guess you can't figure out sarcasm. Okafor isn't a dime a dozen player, who can average double double, play D, and shoot above .500.

3. You're all Lisa's to me. biotches.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 25, 2008 4:11 PM | Report abuse

It wasn't free room and board, my friend. Those bases spurred the local economy, both on main street and the back alleys.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 25, 2008 2:44 PM

Apparently history is not your strong suit either... The hole only gets bigger when you keep diggin, you know.

Posted by: jones-y | July 25, 2008 4:17 PM | Report abuse

2. I guess you can't figure out sarcasm. Okafor isn't a dime a dozen player, who can average double double, play D, and shoot above .500.

3. You're all Lisa's to me. biotches.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 25, 2008 4:11 PM

I guess you can't figure out the proper time to use possessive puncutation, you silly little bastard.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 25, 2008 4:21 PM | Report abuse

88 get a f@!%&ing job , you been here all day.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 25, 2008 5:08 PM | Report abuse

"I guess you can't figure out the proper time to use possessive puncutation, you silly little bastard.

Posted by: | July 25, 2008 4:21 PM "

Doesn't matter. You're still a biotch.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 25, 2008 6:23 PM | Report abuse

"88 get a f@!%&ing job , you been here all day.

Posted by: | July 25, 2008 5:08 PM "

Get a f'n life and stop trying to monitor who's on this blog and who's not!

LMAO!

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 25, 2008 6:30 PM | Report abuse

USA Basketball on espn now - 8:00.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 25, 2008 8:17 PM | Report abuse

Ivan, give these savages some meat, they are about to eat each other

Posted by: Skeef | July 25, 2008 10:33 PM | Report abuse

USA Basketball sucked tonight. They sure could have used Gilby and his all around game.

http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/olybb/news/story?id=3505801

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 25, 2008 10:41 PM | Report abuse

Anyone care to flog a dead horse?

Posted by: Myshkin | July 26, 2008 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Mom's calling me up from my basement for dinner, talk to you guys later!

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 26, 2008 7:22 PM | Report abuse

Gil is the best thing to ever happen to the DC. Forget the 3 superbowls by the Skins and the Unseld championship.

If he ever left, DC would be in mourning forever.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 26, 2008 9:56 PM | Report abuse

I think Abe should erect a statue of Gil in front of the VC and call VC "The House that Gil built."

Posted by: Spanky | July 26, 2008 11:01 PM | Report abuse

Gil is the best thing to ever happen to the DC. Forget the 3 superbowls by the Skins and the Unseld championship.

If he ever left, DC would be in mourning forever.

Posted by: | July 26, 2008 9:56 PM

The most recent Redskins' Super Bowl was in 1992...Wes won one championship for DC and it was in 1978...when he was 32 (his 10th year with the team, a team that went 44-38 that year)...Way to prove your point...you showed him...


Posted by: ...... | July 27, 2008 12:41 AM | Report abuse

I think Abe should erect a statue of Gil in front of the VC and call VC "The House that Gil built."

Posted by: Spanky | July 26, 2008 11:01 PM

Rather should be called "Arenas' Arena".

Posted by: CEO | July 27, 2008 10:09 AM | Report abuse

During the prime of Unseld's career the Bullets had One NBA title and went to the finals three times. They were a consistant contender that went to the conference finals regularly and some of their playoff series in thoose days are regarded as NBA classics. ESPN plays some of them regularly.

If Jamison or Arenas are able to accomplish that in their stay here their jersey will be hanging from the rafters too. Wes Unseld, Elvin Hayes and the whole cast of Bullets from that era were a similar team to the Spurs of the present era. A group of Pro's who showed up and competed hard, and played the game the right way.

My point about Thomas, Songalia, and Daniels contract status has to do with the Salary Cap flexibility Grunfeld is manuvering to acheive in 2010. Because the Wizards will have thoose expiring deals, the trade value of thoose players will increase at the deadline this year, again next offseason, and then again at the trade deadline in spring of 2010.

Right now, not many team's are thinking cap management two years out, so they're not worth much in a deal. But Daniels and Songalia have both been worth more to the Wiz then their on court production. In baseball they would be called "good clubhouse guys", Daniels and Songalia are both solid pros that prepare right and work hard.

Jamison was the guy that broke the "knucklehead cycle" when he got here. Daniels and Songalia are tough minded, hard nosed, competitors that helped Jamison change the culture around here. That is the only way to establish a culture of winning, bring in some solid pros that don't think that life in the NBA is a party.

Guys like Blatche and Young need to be around solid guys like, Jamison, Daniels, Songalia to figure it out. It's important to have the right kind of guys mentoring the youngsters. That was the complete mistake of the Webber/Howard era here, Strickland was a great "on the court" point guard, but he was not the kind of mentor and leader the team needed. And there wasn't another solid pro to take a leadership role.

So in my mind they're not just a couple of bums, their impact on changing the culture of losing goes way past on the court production. Both are the kind of guys that as the youngsters grab more of their court time will be great 8, 9, or 10 guys on a bench. They'll always be prepared weather they're getting big minutes or not.

Again, Grunfeld should be monitoring the Okafor situation, MJ proved here that if your not one of "his guys" he'll be prone to ship a young player out like he did with Hamilton. But there is no way Jamison is being traded under the contract he's under now, his value to the team is so much higher then his cap cost.

At 12m per year I'm not sure Okafor is a bargain. Sometimes teams overpay for that final peice they're looking for. I'm not sure Okafor is that guy for the Wizards.

Oh, and by the way, the ice melter was ordered in the spring along with the Christmas supplies. In this age of everything being made in China anyone in retail has to think 6 to 9 months out. Actually right now we're looking at next spring.

Posted by: GM | July 27, 2008 10:53 AM | Report abuse

Get a f'n life and stop trying to monitor who's on this blog and who's not!

LMAO!

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 25, 2008 6:30 PM

Big azzz laughing whole day in Muter's basement.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 27, 2008 11:00 AM | Report abuse

I guess you can't figure out sarcasm. Okafor isn't a dime a dozen player,
Posted by: DC Man88 | July 25, 2008 4:11 PM

Okafor isn't worth a dime to the Wizards if you don't understand sarcasm.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 27, 2008 11:02 AM | Report abuse

looks like DC Man 88 has been keeping himself busy in the offseason by denigrating Filipinos. he was saying:
"Yeah, and out of that 10 mil, maybe 1% of them can spell N-B-A"

geez, give this guy enough rope and he'll hang himself.. you need to get out of your mother's basement and travel a little. maybe stop spending so much time online.

much respect to our friends in the Philippines. I lived in the Pacific for a few years, and I can say that Gilbert nailed it when he said that the Philippines presents itself as "a whole country of nice, genuine, warm-hearted people". that was my experience, too.

oh, and their english is excellent. a#@hole.

Posted by: satch | July 27, 2008 11:29 AM | Report abuse

Well last summer about this time, we all got treated to a "white power, why isn't the Equal Opportunity Employment Commision investigating the NBA?", sermon. Seems there were too many black players in the league in his eyes.

Doesn't surprise me that we've now moved on to degenerating the Phillipines, far less chance of getting found out and having you're ass whooped on in DC. Probably not another country in the world where english is almost universal when traveling there.

My advise would be to stick to being wrong about basketball, he's not nearly as offensive when the talk sticks to the NBA. He's just consistantly wrong...

By the way, did any of the guys like Ming Ming that he recommended that the Wizards exceed the Luxury Tax to sign even show up on a "Summer League" roster anywhere in the NBA? If a guy can't get a summer league slot, he isn't ever going to smell a training camp.

And if a guy's never even been to an NBA camp or played in an NBA preseason game he's not someone worth going out and spending nearly 4m on. And when all costs of exceeding the LT are factored that's what it added up to.

Okafor for Jamison isn't ever happening. Jamison's production for the contract that he just signed is a heavy plus when you look at his cost vs. prodution. In the age of the combined LT and Salary Cap you need guys with a heavy plus in the cost vs. production to build a champion.

In two years time I'm not sure Okafor will be more productive then Blatche. And then think aboutwhere we'd play him.

Posted by: GM | July 27, 2008 12:33 PM | Report abuse

You are on a pretty good roll GM. There really are not two better role players in the NBA than Daniels and Songalia. I hope Darius does not get injured playing for Lithuania though, as we (a) need him for 10-12 good minutes a game -- he actually knows how to facilitate within the Priceton offense -- and (b) if he is out for a few months we will have another raft of stuff on this site about being short-handed in practice yadda yadda.

Ivan: Any word on whether Darius Miles is really able to play and whether we are looking at him?

Posted by: khrabb | July 27, 2008 4:39 PM | Report abuse

"Well last summer about this time, we all got treated to a "white power, why isn't the Equal Opportunity Employment Commision investigating the NBA?", sermon. Seems there were too many black players in the league in his eyes.

Doesn't surprise me that we've now moved on to degenerating the Phillipines, far less chance of getting found out and having you're ass whooped on in DC. Probably not another country in the world where english is almost universal when traveling there.

My advise would be to stick to being wrong about basketball, he's not nearly as offensive when the talk sticks to the NBA. He's just consistantly wrong...

By the way, did any of the guys like Ming Ming that he recommended that the Wizards exceed the Luxury Tax to sign even show up on a "Summer League" roster anywhere in the NBA? If a guy can't get a summer league slot, he isn't ever going to smell a training camp.

And if a guy's never even been to an NBA camp or played in an NBA preseason game he's not someone worth going out and spending nearly 4m on. And when all costs of exceeding the LT are factored that's what it added up to.

Okafor for Jamison isn't ever happening. Jamison's production for the contract that he just signed is a heavy plus when you look at his cost vs. prodution. In the age of the combined LT and Salary Cap you need guys with a heavy plus in the cost vs. production to build a champion.

In two years time I'm not sure Okafor will be more productive then Blatche. And then think aboutwhere we'd play him.

Posted by: GM | July 27, 2008 12:33 PM "

GM, stick to what you know and that's stocking ice melt during the summer in hopes that it'll sell out by August.

As a matter of fact, it is interesting how the EEOC isn't investigating the NBA about the racial disparity in the league. Do you have any ideas why?

Show me a mid/large company in the US whose employees don't reflect the demographics of the United States percentage wise and I'll show you a company where the Rainbow Coalition (Jesse Jackson) will be terrorizing for a monetary donation.

During your downtime from stocking ice melt and snow shovels, for that matter, and reminiscing about the BouleS of 35+ years ago, keeping typing on this blog and stating the obvious about the Wiz. Everyone's used to it.

It'll keep that single brain cell of yours working on overdrive.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 27, 2008 7:36 PM | Report abuse

GM, still writing those longwinded epics. When will you learn? Never!

Posted by: Anonymous | July 27, 2008 7:36 PM | Report abuse

satch needs to get out of his momma's basement and learn more about something besides video games, porn, and enjoying his his left and right hands.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 27, 2008 7:38 PM | Report abuse

"GM, still writing those longwinded epics. When will you learn? Never!

Posted by: | July 27, 2008 7:36 PM "

And those epics are worth less than his wife's chasity belt after lefty gone done with her. That's saying a lot!

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 27, 2008 7:40 PM | Report abuse

"Jamison was the guy that broke the "knucklehead cycle" when he got here. Daniels and Songalia are tough minded, hard nosed, competitors that helped Jamison change the culture around here. That is the only way to establish a culture of winning, bring in some solid pros that don't think that life in the NBA is a party."

In GM's world, AJ showed up on the scene after AB got busted for soliciting and after his reckless driving incident. And, that was after Gilby's antic/circus show. Or, was that after DS said Lebron was overrated.

Nevertheless, what it does prove is that GM is still toking that weed like he did back in the 70's and can't help but live the glory of yesteryear in hoping that some team will trade Lebron or Dwight Howard to the Wizards as DSong's contract expires.

Get some rest GM, you're overworking that lonely brain cell.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 27, 2008 7:45 PM | Report abuse

If Agent Zero were to retire today, he'd be the greatest bullets/wizards player of all time...bar none. He's just don't so much for DC that there would be no doubt in anyone's mind.

Posted by: ramone | July 27, 2008 8:02 PM | Report abuse

If Agent Zero were to retire today, he'd be the greatest bullets/wizards player of all time...bar none. He's just don't so much for DC that there would be no doubt in anyone's mind.

Posted by: ramone | July 27, 2008 8:02 PM

I like Gil, too, but there's no way that I could rank his on-the-court achievements above, or even equal to, Elvin Hayes or Wes Unseld, both of whom are Hall-of-Famers and both of whom were named as among the NBA's 50 best players of all time when that group was named some years ago. If Arenas retired today, would he be elected to the HOF? I don't think so. Your statement refers to the things he's done for DC, which makes me think that you're including his charitable donations in your thinking, too. But if it's strictly on the court, there's no way he rates ahead of Elvin and Wes, who won an NBA title and led the team to four finals appearances in the '70s. I'm not even sure I'd rank him ahead of Earl "the Pearl" Monroe, another HOFer.

Posted by: rbpalmer | July 27, 2008 9:23 PM | Report abuse

""Well last summer about this time, we all got treated to a "white power, why isn't the Equal Opportunity Employment Commision investigating the NBA?", sermon. Seems there were too many black players in the league in his eyes.

Doesn't surprise me that we've now moved on to degenerating the Phillipines, far less chance of getting found out and having you're ass whooped on in DC. Probably not another country in the world where english is almost universal when traveling there."

Don't know if he was talking about the lack of white players, but there WAS a hubbub about the disparity between white and black workers in front-office positions. Pointing out the lack of white players and ignoring the disparity in administration positions is just stupid. Then again, that Filipino comment was blatant racism, so I guess it shouldn't be any surprise.

Posted by: babbtong | July 27, 2008 9:35 PM | Report abuse

"Don't know if he was talking about the lack of white players, but there WAS a hubbub about the disparity between white and black workers in front-office positions. Pointing out the lack of white players and ignoring the disparity in administration positions is just stupid. Then again, that Filipino comment was blatant racism, so I guess it shouldn't be any surprise.

Posted by: babbtong | July 27, 2008 9:35 PM "

It's laughable how someone with a baby thong wrapped around his head is calling the lack of white players stupid, but has no justification or explanation for it.

What "administration postions" are you even talking about? I don't think you even know yourself.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 27, 2008 9:54 PM | Report abuse

Gil is the greatest.....I think if he was on the Cavs instead of Lebron, Gil would have 2 rings by now.

If he was with the Lakers, he would have won without Shaq.

I seriously think Gil could average a triple double next season if he stays healthy. 40/game, 12 assists, and 10 rebs.

No joke.

Posted by: ramone | July 27, 2008 10:32 PM | Report abuse

satch needs to get out of his momma's basement and learn more about something besides video games, porn, and enjoying his his left and right hands.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 27, 2008 7:38 PM

oh, snap! what a comeback.. right up there with "I know you are, but what am I". you're definitely gaining momentum.

speaking of which, please keep talking about your dislike of other races. all this time, I wondered how it was that you considered yourself a Wizards fan, but now I get it. DC Man88 got his teams mixed up. it's not the Washington Wizards that you want to be writing about: it's the Washington *Generals*. instead of recommending foolish trade scenarios involving Antawn Jamison for Emeka Okafor, why don't you go find a message board about your beloved Generals? (see http://www.washingtongenerals.com/) maybe you can find a discussion about all those white players you want to see in the nba. it's only a hunch, but I bet that the Generals fans are more receptive to those kinds of trade ideas.

Posted by: satch | July 27, 2008 10:48 PM | Report abuse

"oh, snap! what a comeback.. right up there with "I know you are, but what am I". you're definitely gaining momentum.

speaking of which, please keep talking about your dislike of other races. all this time, I wondered how it was that you considered yourself a Wizards fan, but now I get it. DC Man88 got his teams mixed up. it's not the Washington Wizards that you want to be writing about: it's the Washington *Generals*. instead of recommending foolish trade scenarios involving Antawn Jamison for Emeka Okafor, why don't you go find a message board about your beloved Generals? (see http://www.washingtongenerals.com/) maybe you can find a discussion about all those white players you want to see in the nba. it's only a hunch, but I bet that the Generals fans are more receptive to those kinds of trade ideas.

Posted by: satch | July 27, 2008 10:48 PM "

satch is definitely gaining momentum because he's ragging on me for copying the very same lame accusations that he used against me. Momentum like a car driving off GW Parkway into the Potomac.

Speaking of which, keep accusing me of disliking other races while you have no knowledge of anything outside of warcraft and lube options for your greasy palms.

It's great to compare the Washington Generals with the Washington Wizards. There isn't much to contrast. Neither have won anything for the past 30 years.

Status quo is king in this town, and the Wiz fans wouldn't have it any other way.

Fine with me. Makes bashing, umm...errr., critiquing, just too easy.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 27, 2008 11:10 PM | Report abuse

"I told him: 'If you aren't going to work hard, we're going to do this every morning.' He got the message and I've never had to do that since."

Ivan, great story and I love the kid already.

- Ray

Posted by: Ray | July 27, 2008 11:54 PM | Report abuse

DC Man was complaining: "Speaking of which, keep accusing me of disliking other races while you have no knowledge of anything outside of warcraft and lube options for your greasy palms."

I'm just going by what you've said, right here, on this very board. you disrespect other cultures, you complain about the number of blacks in the nba, and your idea of an insult is to visualize other people masturbating. you're a wreck.

I think your racist opinions are cr@p, and I think your trade ideas are almost as bad. get ye to the washington generals site.

Posted by: satch | July 28, 2008 12:32 AM | Report abuse

Under Abe Pollin's stingy tenure, the Washington 'Wizards' have functioned more or less exactly like the Washington Generals--just a bunch of patsies for the league's better teams. No better and no worse than most other mid-sized markets. At least our team isn't headed to Oklahoma City to be renamed the 'Barons' or the 'Wind'. That will be a most excellent team to cheer for: 'Pass like the Wind'? 'Break like the Wind'? There's just no substitute for a really bad owner...you just can't make up stupider names than the Wind or the Wiz, not even in Will Ferrell movies.

As for where Arenas stands on the all-time franchise team--he doesn't even make mine. Monroe, Chenier, and Jeff Malone are all way ahead of him at guard.

Posted by: KTV | July 28, 2008 8:30 AM | Report abuse

more hate mail

Posted by: Anonymous | July 28, 2008 9:33 AM | Report abuse

For the last few years, the Wizards have had one of the highest payrolls in the NBA. Current payroll is estimated over the salary cap by about $12M. Yet I still hear/see this "Abe is stingy" criticism. When does he stop being unreasonably cheap, when he starts paying luxury tax? When the Wizards become an unprofitable franchise?

Posted by: wwFan | July 28, 2008 9:43 AM | Report abuse

I'm not a cut and paste guy on my posts. I really think that most of the time using that stuff is just an excuse to take someone's statements out of context.

But you know with some of the stuff on here the last couple of days there's no way to take it out of context. Somebody should cut and paste the lowlights of this racist crap and repost it everytime somebody asks, "why is poor 88 so mistreated"?

On the subject of "good clubhouse guys" like Jamison, Daniels, and Songalia. Having those guys around doesn't instantly end knuckleheadness from a guy like Blatche. But having them around prevents the nuts from taking over the asylum.

Blatche was a gamble when the Wiz picked him in the second round, but he'd have never lasted to the second round if he didn't have some growing up to do. Having brought in guys like Daniels and Songalia is the precise reason the Wizards have been able to mostly mentor Blatche in a positive way.

Does that mean the kid's going to mature an act like a seasoned 30 year old vet tomorrow? No. But Grunfeld has established a locker room where these kids are going to learn to prepare and play in the right way.

Arenas committed the sin almost everyone does when they are hurt bad enough to go under the knife for the first time. He worked too hard at recovery and didn't know how to let his body set the pace.

Stevenson fueding with LaBron, probably not smart, but if you were at the "Phone Booth" the night the Wiz blew the Cav's out, it sure created some fun.

I grew up in the era before the trash talk, I was taught to play and keep your mouth shut. This is a different era, MJ was one of the biggest talkers of all time. As good as LaBron is, he talks an even bigger game.

I came to the conclusion many years ago, if you're going to watch NBA basketball, a little trash talking just goes with it. It's kind of like NHL hockey and fights it's, just part of the show.

Speaking of Hockey, how come the NHL has all those French Canadians, Sweedes, and Russians? Could it have anything to do with a racist plot against people from the good ole USA? My God, we should call for an investigation!

Or could be that just be where kids grow up around ice?

Posted by: GM | July 28, 2008 11:14 AM | Report abuse

"I'm not a cut and paste guy on my posts. I really think that most of the time using that stuff is just an excuse to take someone's statements out of context.

But you know with some of the stuff on here the last couple of days there's no way to take it out of context. Somebody should cut and paste the lowlights of this racist crap and repost it everytime somebody asks, "why is poor 88 so mistreated"?

On the subject of "good clubhouse guys" like Jamison, Daniels, and Songalia. Having those guys around doesn't instantly end knuckleheadness from a guy like Blatche. But having them around prevents the nuts from taking over the asylum.

Blatche was a gamble when the Wiz picked him in the second round, but he'd have never lasted to the second round if he didn't have some growing up to do. Having brought in guys like Daniels and Songalia is the precise reason the Wizards have been able to mostly mentor Blatche in a positive way.

Does that mean the kid's going to mature an act like a seasoned 30 year old vet tomorrow? No. But Grunfeld has established a locker room where these kids are going to learn to prepare and play in the right way.

Arenas committed the sin almost everyone does when they are hurt bad enough to go under the knife for the first time. He worked too hard at recovery and didn't know how to let his body set the pace.

Stevenson fueding with LaBron, probably not smart, but if you were at the "Phone Booth" the night the Wiz blew the Cav's out, it sure created some fun.

I grew up in the era before the trash talk, I was taught to play and keep your mouth shut. This is a different era, MJ was one of the biggest talkers of all time. As good as LaBron is, he talks an even bigger game.

I came to the conclusion many years ago, if you're going to watch NBA basketball, a little trash talking just goes with it. It's kind of like NHL hockey and fights it's, just part of the show.

Speaking of Hockey, how come the NHL has all those French Canadians, Sweedes, and Russians? Could it have anything to do with a racist plot against people from the good ole USA? My God, we should call for an investigation!

Or could be that just be where kids grow up around ice?

Posted by: GM | July 28, 2008 11:14 AM "

GM should be the next Gary Condit instead of a hardware store owner.

AJ supposedly rid of team of knuckleheads according to the GM'er, but when his memory was refreshed of AB, DS, and Gilby's antics post AJ's arrival, his tune changes. The way he backtracks is comical.

That'll teach GM'er to stick to what he does best, which is to report the obvious like "Unseld won a championship," or "Abe is an old man." Anything beyond that and GM is stretching his capabilities.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 28, 2008 12:22 PM | Report abuse

"I think your racist opinions are cr@p, and I think your trade ideas are almost as bad. get ye to the washington generals site.

Posted by: satch | July 28, 2008 12:32 AM "

Oh, so I guess you consider affirmative action racist if it were to be applied towards guys like Andrew Bogut, Steve Nash, Kirk Hinrich, Steve Blake, and David Lee whose race is a minority in a business although a majority in the US/Canada...interesting.

I guess if the NBA was 95% white instead of black, then you wouldn't expect Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton to give David Stern a phone call. Nope...no way.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 28, 2008 12:32 PM | Report abuse

He's just talking out of his ass, folks. It's best to ignore him.

It's like the line the guy gave in Purple Rain years ago..."God got 88's periods reversed. Every 28 days he starts acting normal..lasts about a week."

Posted by: Anonymous | July 28, 2008 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Hoopsworld named Nick Young among the sophomores who "need to worry," based on his performance in Vegas:
http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=9595

Earlier they also looked at the 1st round rookies, and McGee only gets a "C," compares to A- for Speights (#16) and B+ for Hickson (#19).

Here is what it said about McGee,
"It's disappointing when a 7' big man with arms that seem to go on forever averages less than five rebounds a game against players who have never even made it to the NBA."

http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=9555

I have to agree that for a team that needs rebounding, McGee's number on rebound (4.6) is disappointing.

Posted by: sagaliba | July 28, 2008 1:51 PM | Report abuse

We've passed 300 posts and decended into the depths of Dante's Inferno. This must be the 88th level of hell...

Oh lord Ivan, please save us with something new. I feel like this has turned into another bad summer re-run...

Talent, my deranged young friend, talent! That's why people pay to see any professional sport! Your complaints would hold water only if there was a league somewhere chock full of poor frustrated white guys with the talent to play in the NBA and their chances have been denied.

If you're prepared to bring up the Euro-league remember just how well Jaun Carlos Navarro fared last season. The "Spanish Micheal Jordan" who has won title after title was as they say,"not ready for prime time".

He was and will be the toast of Europe, over here he would be a contributing role player on an NBA team. And not a very exciting one at that.

Posted by: GM | July 28, 2008 1:59 PM | Report abuse

I agree that Young looked pretty bad in S.L. But, just as you can't read too much into a players S.L. numbers when he does well, you shouldn't read too much into them when he does poorly. The worst you can say about Young right now is that he still has a lot of aspects of his game that needs work. It remains to be seen whether that work will be done before or during the course of the coming season, if at all.

Posted by: kalorama | July 28, 2008 2:26 PM | Report abuse

I'm not so much worried about McGee. They knew when they drafted him that he was going to take some time.

Posted by: kalorama | July 28, 2008 2:27 PM | Report abuse

GM'er talks about talent as an excuse but knows nothing about affirmative action where being the best and brightest might not be enough to get you admitted to the college or the job at the company. Wake up GM'er.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 28, 2008 2:53 PM | Report abuse

"He's just talking out of his ass, folks. It's best to ignore him.

It's like the line the guy gave in Purple Rain years ago..."God got 88's periods reversed. Every 28 days he starts acting normal..lasts about a week."

Posted by: | July 28, 2008 1:25 PM "

LMAO!!

Quoting "Purple Rain" in a feeble attempt to refute the racial disparity amongst NBA ballers.

Again, no wonder you morons post comments without a name. That means you Lisa!

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 28, 2008 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Come on Ivan not ONE post for entire week. Give me something.

FA targets

Offseason workouts

Update us on something

Posted by: Anonymous | July 28, 2008 3:01 PM | Report abuse

"We've passed 300 posts and decended into the depths of Dante's Inferno. This must be the 88th level of hell...

Oh lord Ivan, please save us with something new. I feel like this has turned into another bad summer re-run...

Talent, my deranged young friend, talent! That's why people pay to see any professional sport! Your complaints would hold water only if there was a league somewhere chock full of poor frustrated white guys with the talent to play in the NBA and their chances have been denied.

If you're prepared to bring up the Euro-league remember just how well Jaun Carlos Navarro fared last season. The "Spanish Micheal Jordan" who has won title after title was as they say,"not ready for prime time".

He was and will be the toast of Europe, over here he would be a contributing role player on an NBA team. And not a very exciting one at that.

Posted by: GM | July 28, 2008 1:59 PM "

GM'er, sorry for waking you up to the realities of this world.

Keep living your Otis/Drunken Stupor/Mayberry life.

It'll keep your blood pressure low and your old creaky back from locking up on you.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 28, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse

GM'er talks about talent as an excuse but knows nothing about affirmative action where being the best and brightest might not be enough to get you admitted to the college or the job at the company. Wake up GM'er.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 28, 2008 2:53 PM

Apparently history is not your strong suit either... The hole only gets bigger when you keep diggin, you know.

Damn I just had deja vu...

Oh I remember, 88 discussing institutional racism and its consequences/outcomes with absolute disregard for context. Quit while you're not too far behind bigot.

Posted by: jones-y | July 28, 2008 3:44 PM | Report abuse

I like Gil, too, but there's no way that I could rank his on-the-court achievements above, or even equal to, Elvin Hayes or Wes Unseld, both of whom are Hall-of-Famers and both of whom were named as among the NBA's 50 best players of all time when that group was named some years ago. If Arenas retired today, would he be elected to the HOF? I don't think so. Your statement refers to the things he's done for DC, which makes me think that you're including his charitable donations in your thinking, too. But if it's strictly on the court, there's no way he rates ahead of Elvin and Wes, who won an NBA title and led the team to four finals appearances in the '70s. I'm not even sure I'd rank him ahead of Earl "the Pearl" Monroe, another HOFer.

Posted by: rbpalmer | July 27, 2008 9:23 PM

Last summer, BF readers placed Arenas third on the all-time Bullets/Wizards list, behind Unseld and Hayes. Earl the Pearl was fourth, and the gap between him and Arenas was really close (I personally voted for Earl to be third as well).

Here's the entire list:

1. Wes Unseld
2. Elvin Hayes
3. Arenas
4. Earl the Pearl
5. Phil Chenier
6. Walt Bellamy (going very old school)
7. Jeff Malone
8. Bobby Dandridge
9. Moses Malone
10. Gus Johnson
11. Bernard King
12. Chris Webber
13. Antawn Jamison
14. Michael Jordan
15. Juwan Howard
16. Jeff Ruland
17. Jack Marin
18. Kevin Loughery
19. Rod Strickland
20. Kevin Grevey

http://www.bulletsforever.com/2007/8/4/15306/79276

This was done last summer, so I imagine if we did it again, Arenas would drop, some of the guys from the early 90s would drop, and Caron would be on here somewhere.

Posted by: Pradamaster | July 28, 2008 3:57 PM | Report abuse

"Apparently history is not your strong suit either... The hole only gets bigger when you keep diggin, you know.

Damn I just had deja vu...

Oh I remember, 88 discussing institutional racism and its consequences/outcomes with absolute disregard for context. Quit while you're not too far behind bigot.

Posted by: jones-y | July 28, 2008 3:44 PM "

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

You are such an annoying racist and bigot that it's laughable.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 28, 2008 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Arenas is clearly the best Bullets/Wizards player of all time, bar none. Abe should retire his jersey right now.

I really think we can win a championship ring each season Gil is signed for. That means six, count them, six rings!

Also, I agree that he will average 40 pts, 12 assists, and 10 rebs this season. No one can touch this dude.

Posted by: spanky | July 28, 2008 4:12 PM | Report abuse

DC Man88 = founding member of the NAAWP

Posted by: Anonymous | July 28, 2008 4:13 PM | Report abuse

IVAN, PLEASE, JUST POST SOMETHING!!!

Posted by: DO IT!!!!! | July 28, 2008 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

You are such an annoying racist and bigot that it's laughable.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 28, 2008 4:00 PM

C'mon man, gimme something to respond to...

Posted by: jones-y | July 28, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse

"C'mon man, gimme something to respond to...

Posted by: jones-y | July 28, 2008 4:33 PM "

Your post, just like many others here, has absolutely no content....just BS words.

Therefore, I returned the favor in kind for you to chew on.

LMAO!

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 28, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

I'd quite like to make you look like the idiot you are, but its no fun if you do the job yourself. So again, gimme something, I'm begging...

Best and brightest? Come up with a quantifiable way to measure those quantities.

Job loss to affirmative action? Nope, try the WTO and NAFTA (among other 'agreements'). I bet you think Mexicans took the other half of the missing jobs, huh?

Military bases as an economic stimulus in the Phillipines? I wonder who sucked all the money out in the first place?

Please gimme something bigot. Those were too easy.

Posted by: jones-y | July 28, 2008 5:02 PM | Report abuse

If you continue to taunt the chimps, you have no one but yourself to blame when they hurl handfuls of crap in your face.

Posted by: kalorama | July 28, 2008 5:21 PM | Report abuse

LOL! True indeed, but nothing a little soapy water can't fix... And well worth it for the entertainment derived!

Posted by: jones-y | July 28, 2008 5:30 PM | Report abuse

Guys,

if you don't have something to say related to the Wiz, why don't you trade emails and you can attack each other privately? It's not fair to the rest of us who want to dialogue about basketball. It's not an appropriate place for this; it's a legitimate newspaper not a personal blog.

Posted by: LK | July 28, 2008 8:33 PM | Report abuse

I couldn't agree more.

The chimps on this blog are out of control, but it's fine with kalaroma because he's the scat boy....loves to eat poo.

Here's a pic of the chimp girl enjoying nature.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzZqje04vLE

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 28, 2008 8:57 PM | Report abuse

Let's hope Kwame doesn't become yet another Bullet/Wizard to thrive in Motown. Maybe arvis broke that curse.

Kwame To Sign With Pistons

According to his agent, former #1 overall pick Kwame Brown will sign a 2-year, $8 million deal with the Detroit Pistons, adding depth to a Piston frontcourt that very desperately needed it.

After getting traded midway through last season as part of the Pau Gasol-to-L.A. deal, Brown played fifteen games for the Memphis Grizzlies with mediocre results. The 2007-2008 campaign was the last of his previous three-year contract, making him an unrestricted free agent this summer.

The $4 million annual salary will be a paycut from the over $9 million he earned last year, but Brown has come to a crossroads in his career where he'll have to prove he's worth being paid the sort of money an overall top selection should be earning. While he's failed to live up to expectations his entire career, he did have flashes of promise while a member of the Lakers, and the Pistons are hoping he can provide a boost at center and keep Rasheed Wallace at the four.

Overall, this is a bargain buy for the Pistons as long as Brown stays healthy.

Posted by: Prazak | July 28, 2008 9:30 PM | Report abuse

It's a great move and opportunity for Kwame. He's out of Kobe/Gasol's egoes and shadow and can head up north and play and learn from tough veterans like Chauncey and Rip.

It'll be interesting when they play the Wiz because Kwame always gets pumped to play guys he knows.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 28, 2008 10:08 PM | Report abuse

Also, Kwame being in Detroit is better than Memphis, a sinking ship.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 28, 2008 10:12 PM | Report abuse

You wore out your welcome on espn boards as cleweston88 and now people are sick of you here as DCMan.For a Miami fan you spend alot of time on wiz boards.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 28, 2008 10:42 PM | Report abuse

"You wore out your welcome on espn boards as cleweston88 and now people are sick of you here as DCMan.For a Miami fan you spend alot of time on wiz boards.

Posted by: | July 28, 2008 10:42 PM "

I'm not this clewiston person you keep claiming that I am, but even if I were, so what?

F@ck you!

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 28, 2008 11:04 PM | Report abuse

As a Pistons fan I can only say ... Joe D! What the F@CK?! Two years/$8 mill? For Kwame-effing-Brown? Oh My God!

"The $4 million annual salary will be a paycut from the over $9 million he earned last year, but Brown has come to a crossroads in his career where he'll have to prove he's worth being paid the sort of money an overall top selection should be earning."

Screw that! He's yet to prove he's worth the $4 mill he's going to get paid next season.

Jesus.

Posted by: kalorama | July 28, 2008 11:14 PM | Report abuse

No new news.

Posted by: Darnell | July 29, 2008 12:09 AM | Report abuse

this blog makes me want to poop in my pants

Posted by: Anonymous | July 29, 2008 2:25 AM | Report abuse

Some ppl will never learn. Kwame as some sort of reclamation project will not work. If he couldn't cut it when he was completely healthy, what makes ppl think he can since he's been injury-prone? Unless he gets a heart transplant and hand replacement, he'd always gonna be Kwame Brown. I guess they're hoping that Sheeds calming veteran influence will help him.

Posted by: mark | July 29, 2008 7:07 AM | Report abuse

Mark I do agree with you...

Has there ever, south of Darko, been a more frustrating recent top or near top draft choice than Kwame Brown?

I watched a few of his tantalizing good games during the season he made his best numbers in DC (10-7... a level, lest we forget that Brendan Haywood only got to last year in, what, his 7th season) and I happily deluded myself into thinking that maybe, just maybe, this was the start of what might be a nice run of double double postings.

It is, alas, appears to be even more than a matter of hands and heart with Kwame.

He really is not game smart, either. That more than anything can be laid at the doorstep of Doug Collins and Michael Jordan, who clearly lacked the patience to teach Kwame the basics of positioning and teamwork.

I hope Kwame proves a serviceable back up big man in Detroit, as Jason Maxiel, for all his energy, is undersized, and Antonio McDyess has just about reached the end of his career. For sure he will (by default at the least) be more productive for the Pistons than Darko was...


Posted by: khrabb | July 29, 2008 8:32 AM | Report abuse

The Washington Post tolerates and maybe even promotes the racial bigotry by 88er. And how do they justify propagating his borderline libel?

Posted by: Anonymous | July 29, 2008 8:42 AM | Report abuse

"The Washington Post tolerates and maybe even promotes the racial bigotry by 88er. And how do they justify propagating his borderline libel?

Posted by: | July 29, 2008 8:42 AM "

Libel against whom?

You need to stop being racist and a bigot. Get a grip!

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 29, 2008 9:13 AM | Report abuse

Hey, look at what happened?

We (Wiz) don't care. Dee Brown pt.2 is going to take us to the promised land! He's the x factor for next season, to build on status quo!

http://www.charlotte.com/209/story/733240.html

I think even though Dee is like 6 feet nothing, and 170 lbs, he will average 12 rebs and 3 blocks easy, to go with his 25 pts.

He will eat Okafor's breakfast, brunch, lunch, tea biscuits, dinner, and after dinner drinks!

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 29, 2008 9:19 AM | Report abuse

At least we don't have to listen to the Okafor ramblings anymore:

http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/8391250/Bobcats-give-Okafor-team-record-$72M-deal?MSNHPHMA

6 year, 72 million.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 29, 2008 9:50 AM | Report abuse

Somebody wake Ivan up. Tell him to post something new. Anything. I'm tired of reading DCMAN talk about nothing.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 29, 2008 10:12 AM | Report abuse

"Somebody wake Ivan up. Tell him to post something new. Anything. I'm tired of reading DCMAN talk about nothing.

Posted by: | July 29, 2008 10:12 AM "

Try hitting your head with a mallet.

It seems you can't help yourself from reading my posts, especially since nobody is forcing you to.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 29, 2008 10:23 AM | Report abuse

"he (Kwame) made his best numbers in DC (10-7... a level, lest we forget that Brendan Haywood only got to last year in, what, his 7th season)"

To put things in perspective, the year Kwame averaged 10/7, he played over 30 minutes a game. In that same season, Haywood averaged 7/5 in 19 minutes a game, which translated to roughly 11/7.8 in 30 minutes games.

P.S., I too, was rooting for Kwame then. :)

Posted by: Sagaliba | July 29, 2008 10:38 AM | Report abuse

88er is jobless and monitors the Wizards Insider blog the whole day. He brooks no opposition to his views, won't allow any one else to express opinions contrary to his as he believes he is omniscient. He constantly insults other posters with abusive gutter language. He believes he's part of the massa race and blames everyone else for his troubles. Hate filled diatribes galore! Thank you Washington Post for encouraging his pointless, incoherent, demeaning, and libelous rants.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 29, 2008 10:38 AM | Report abuse

To top it off, he's not even remotely funny. If he were being insulting but amusing, it would be easier to stomach. As it is, he's boring and predictable. Archie Bunker/Don Rickles MINUS any comedic value.

Kalorama was correct in that you can't blame the monkey. Again, if we all ignored him, he'd go away....kinda like Herpes. He'll always be there but crop up only once in a while. When he does, boy is it irritating !

Posted by: different anon | July 29, 2008 10:46 AM | Report abuse

we should have gave Olesky and the memphis pick for balkman!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | July 29, 2008 11:17 AM | Report abuse

LMAO!

These morons who have a problem with me should instead, exert some self control and not read my posts.

You guys should take after the role model chimp (kalorama) and just STFU. Must be something in scat that keeps him sedated.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 29, 2008 11:27 AM | Report abuse

"88er is jobless and monitors the Wizards Insider blog the whole day. He brooks no opposition to his views, won't allow any one else to express opinions contrary to his as he believes he is omniscient. He constantly insults other posters with abusive gutter language. He believes he's part of the massa race and blames everyone else for his troubles. Hate filled diatribes galore! Thank you Washington Post for encouraging his pointless, incoherent, demeaning, and libelous rants.

Posted by: | July 29, 2008 10:38 AM "

What a libelous rant....can't believe it.

LMAO!

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 29, 2008 11:28 AM | Report abuse

Truth is a full defense in a libel action.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 29, 2008 11:51 AM | Report abuse

DCChimp88

Posted by: Anonymous | July 29, 2008 11:52 AM | Report abuse

"Truth is a full defense in a libel action.

Posted by: | July 29, 2008 11:51 AM "

Amen. That's all I write.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 29, 2008 12:06 PM | Report abuse

"Posted by: different anon | July 29, 2008 10:46 AM"

hmmmm...."different anon"

so stupid.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 29, 2008 12:07 PM | Report abuse

"DCChimp88

Posted by: | July 29, 2008 11:52 AM "

anonChimp

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 29, 2008 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Ivan, see today's Doonesbury.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 29, 2008 2:12 PM | Report abuse

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