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Mason to Spurs, Dee Brown in?

As I posted earlier, Roger Mason Jr. has agreed to terms with the San Antonio Spurs. The deal covers two years and is worth $7.3 million. The Wizards had interest in keeping Mason but there is no way they were going to be able to retain him and stay under the luxury tax ($71.15 million).

The Wiz will have between $2.5 million and $3 million under the tax threshold and have already made a move with those limited funds by exenting an offer sheet to Utah Jazz restricted free agent point guard Dee Brown.

The Jazz have one week to match but according to the folks I've spoken with, they will not do it. Not sure on the exact figures but I can tell you that it's partially guaranteed for two years. Basically, it's a technicality because the Jazz still hold Brown's rights even though the have no intention of keeping him.

Brown would seem to fit the bill as a possible third point behind Gilbert Arenas and Antonio Daniels. The former Illinois star played has appeared in 49 games - all with the Jazz during the 2006-2007 season - but did not play at all last season. Right now, I'm not sure that Brown will be on the summer league squad but I would assume that he will be.

Also, as I report in tomorrow's paper, assistants Mike O'Koren, Phil Hubbard and Wes Unseld Jr. are expected to sign one year contracts before summer league begins next week. The deals could be done as soon as tomorrow.

Additionally, the Wizards took care of a formality by signing rookie first round pick JaVale McGee.

A word on Mason: he's among the classiest athletes I've ever covered and I wish him well. The guy was always a pro and he's going to be a perfect fit for that lockeroom in San Antonio. His decision was basically a no-brainer.

By Ivan Carter  |  July 10, 2008; 12:01 AM ET
 
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Comments

No Matt Barnes, huh? We're pretty deep at guard. DB isn't bad, but I thought we had more front court needs.

Posted by: AndNone | July 10, 2008 12:43 AM | Report abuse

Good luck to Roger Mason, we're gonna miss the guy. He's just a testament to what hard work despite not having out of the world abilities can do.


We basically have no spot up shooters to spread the floor right now nor do we have a decent sf to back up Caron.

Posted by: Arun | July 10, 2008 12:51 AM | Report abuse

3rd!

Posted by: Jamie | July 10, 2008 1:29 AM | Report abuse

BOOOOORRRRRRRRINGGGGGG!!!!

EJ must be on a really short leash because if he gets canned, then the Wiz won't get stuck with paying his assistants more than the year's salary.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 10, 2008 1:35 AM | Report abuse

Dee Brown has "BUST" written all over him.

Is this the best that EG can do for the MLE? Sign a 1 year guy with piss poor FG, 3 point, and FT shooting for this team with playoff hopes and dreams?

From Status Quo to Status Suck.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 10, 2008 12:45 AM
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Why am I not surprised that you can't see even a glint of potential in ANYTHING that the Wizards do as an Organization?

Last year, you were moaning about the Wizards lack of bodies (specifically at Point Guard) when a rash of injuries had the team down to 8 or 9 players.

With Arenas coming off 2 knee surgeries, and Antonio Daniels also hurt for stretches last year; and with Roger Mason being signed by the Spurs - the Wizards find themselves in a position of having only 4 guards on the team.

People were begging all last year for the Wizards to obtain a lightning quick "pass-first" Point Guard.

Now, Ernie goes out and makes an offer for a second year player to fill that EXACT need - and at an attractive price that will still allow the Wizards to go after ANOTHER Free Agent (perhaps a SF to back up Butler) - and for the first time, have a full 15 man roster - - - and you're STILL p*ssing and moaning.

Note - Dee Brown was a second team All-American Guard at Illinois University. He played with Deron Williams and Luther Head for 3 of those years- playing out of position (at SG) until his senior year. In 2006-07, playing for the Utah Jazz he showed some real potential, backing up Deron Williams at PG... Playing an average of 9 minutes per game.... That year he had 83 assists and only 31 turnovers... so he's a dependable guy that doesn't turn the ball over.

Not a very good shooter, especially from 3-point land; but a VERY good assist guy... and pesky on Defense. He hustles, and works hard. Bad shooting can be fixed with coaching (Dave Hoopla)... but Desire, hustle and hard work can't be coached...


He showed some real talent in Utah, but suffered a neck injury in the first round of the Playoffs that year - Utah, subsequently picked up Ronnie Brewer and Jason Hart to back up Deron Williams at the Point; and since there was no room at Utah, Dee Brown went to Turkey to play in 2007-08.

Not a bad guy to have on the end of the bench for an emergency, and to groom as a replacement for the backup PG position.


Why not just wait until after you see the guy play in ONE game before you P*ss and Moan about him...


Posted by: Rook | July 10, 2008 2:02 AM | Report abuse

Dee Brown has "BUST" written all over him.

Is this the best that EG can do for the MLE? Sign a 1 year guy with piss poor FG, 3 point, and FT shooting for this team with playoff hopes and dreams?

From Status Quo to Status Suck.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 10, 2008 12:45 AM
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Why am I not surprised that you can't see even a glint of potential in ANYTHING that the Wizards do as an Organization?

Last year, you were moaning about the Wizards lack of bodies (specifically at Point Guard) when a rash of injuries had the team down to 8 or 9 players.

With Arenas coming off 2 knee surgeries, and Antonio Daniels also hurt for stretches last year; and with Roger Mason being signed by the Spurs - the Wizards find themselves in a position of having only 4 guards on the team.

People were begging all last year for the Wizards to obtain a lightning quick "pass-first" Point Guard.

Now, Ernie goes out and makes an offer for a second year player to fill that EXACT need - and at an attractive price that will still allow the Wizards to go after ANOTHER Free Agent (perhaps a SF to back up Butler) - and for the first time, have a full 15 man roster - - - and you're STILL p*ssing and moaning.

Note - Dee Brown was a second team All-American Guard at Illinois University. He played with Deron Williams and Luther Head for 3 of those years- playing out of position (at SG) until his senior year. In 2006-07, playing for the Utah Jazz he showed some real potential, backing up Deron Williams at PG... Playing an average of 9 minutes per game.... That year he had 83 assists and only 31 turnovers... so he's a dependable guy that doesn't turn the ball over.

Not a very good shooter, especially from 3-point land; but a VERY good assist guy... and pesky on Defense. He hustles, and works hard. Bad shooting can be fixed with coaching (Dave Hoopla)... but Desire, hustle and hard work can't be coached...


He showed some real talent in Utah, but suffered a neck injury in the first round of the Playoffs that year - Utah, subsequently picked up Ronnie Brewer and Jason Hart to back up Deron Williams at the Point; and since there was no room at Utah, Dee Brown went to Turkey to play in 2007-08.

Not a bad guy to have on the end of the bench for an emergency, and to groom as a replacement for the backup PG position.


Why not just wait until after you see the guy play in ONE game before you P*ss and Moan about him...


Posted by: Rook | July 10, 2008 2:02 AM | Report abuse

Good golly Miss Dolly! Yet another imposter! Am "I" going to have to fight "myself" again?

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 10, 2008 2:03 AM | Report abuse

And by the way YES, Dee Brown PLAYED in the playoffs for Utah in 2006-07.

Jerry Sloan, a coach known for NOT playing Rookies, played Dee Brown in 49 games that year... including all but two Playoff games (the 2 games he was injured)

He was Deron Williams backup - coming in and providing very good PG play when Williams picked up quick fouls in both Game 1 and Game 2 in the Western Conference semifinals against Golden State.

Posted by: Rook | July 10, 2008 2:12 AM | Report abuse

First of all. I just don't get u dcman. Why are u here at all? You seem to hate every move the wizards make. You hate everything about the team. WHy do u post here???

WHY?
WHY?
WHY?

On to important stuff.
Dee Brown doesn't have to be a force on offence with his scoring because we have loads of that in three of our allstars. He is a better option as a third pg than mason was. Although I'm gonna miss the nights when Mason just decided to go crazy.

Dmac really needs to improve his jumpshot to be a decent backup for butler. Just incase we fail to sign a decent enough sf. With the money left under the tax I think it's not great chance.

Pretty much we have to go big if Butler is out but as we all know, EJ isn't much of a fan of BIG lineups.

Posted by: estwiz | July 10, 2008 2:47 AM | Report abuse

Yeah I really like the pickup of Dee Brown! EXACTLY the type of guy we needed to add! He is a small, quick, tenacious player and exactly what we needed a 3rd pg!! A guy who can play if we have an injury. A guy who can go against the quick little guards who always kill us or team that are pressing us like Philly!! We needed this on our roster and it is a good move!!!!

Now sign Matt Barnes and this is a VERY GOOD OFFSEASON!!!!!!!

Posted by: Darnell | July 10, 2008 3:50 AM | Report abuse

And from what I hear Dee Brown is a very well regarded teammate and a great locker room guy.

A "pass first" true pg, and a young guy with upside but also some good solid experience to step in when needed!

Posted by: Darnell | July 10, 2008 3:54 AM | Report abuse

Mark my words, this is another stroke of genius by Ernie Grunfeld.

Dee Brown is a natural point guard, a pass first, high IQ, winner. He has deficiencies with height and his outside shot, but he reminds me ALOT of a young Antonio Daniels (perhaps not as good in the long run). Like AD, he just knows how to play the game.

When BTH, ET and AD are all up for renewal in '10, Grunfeld can use the cap space from ET and AD to resign BTH and have Dee Brown as a potentially cheaper AD replacement.

So many clueless fans here criticising Grunfeld. He's doing a masterful job.

Best of luck to the classy Roger Mason who rightfully earned a little pay day.

Posted by: UltimateFootballNetwork.com | July 10, 2008 4:00 AM | Report abuse

Good pickup in DB by EG.
Now we just need to bring Barnes in & the 2nd unit looks defensively to be killaz.

Posted by: Victor | July 10, 2008 4:07 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Jim | July 10, 2008 4:53 AM | Report abuse

A decent move.

Sad to see Mason go, but he needed to cash in at some point. Funny to hear myself say that about an NBA player!

Obviously, NY is/was going to get his minutes and is already a better offensive player than RM, but probably not a better basketball player, yet.

I wish the Wiz had signed Baron Davis and say James Posey or Josh Smith. I see a better/deeper team that costs less than retaining Arenas.

Just ain't sold on Arenas' worth especially now that he is damaged goods. I'll be shocked if he ever makes a full season again. A status quo offseason to say the least and probably status quo results for the upcoming season as well!

Final point: Don't be surprised whatsoever is GA is STILL nursing his knee injury the first half of next season. I doubt he'll be 100% to start the year no matter what is stated between now and then!!!

Posted by: Rob P | July 10, 2008 6:50 AM | Report abuse

I like the Dee Brown signing. Sounds like they got him for cheap as I doubt partially guaranteed contracts pay all that well. As long as this doesn't preclude the Wiz from signing a back-up SF this was a solid move. Certainly could have used him last year.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 10, 2008 7:05 AM | Report abuse

When the spurs offered Roger Mason a contract last year, I was surprised he didn't take it. Guess he knew he was in for a career year and thus more money. Good for him. Now let's just hope the Spurs' window isn't permanently shut 'cos it sure is closing with the Lakers and Hornets coming on strong.

Posted by: Bart | July 10, 2008 7:44 AM | Report abuse

I like this move even if we don't sign an additional SF. With Etan ready to be our backup C next season, there is no reason that AB can't slide to the 3 with Songaila as our 4. If DMac is really coming along, then he gets some of those minutes. You add Pech to the mix and we have a ton of frontcourt backups. It's hard for me to imagine Barnes being satisfied with the minutes we'd have available for him, even if there is enough $ left to get him here.

Posted by: JCfor3 | July 10, 2008 7:49 AM | Report abuse

From Dee Brown's blog on June 29th (the "Illini Prince")...watch out GA.

...I will play with the Detroit Pistons or Washington Wizards in Las Vegas. I'm so excited and honored to be able to attend such an event and feel like its a great opportunity for me. I really feel blessed to get that opportunity, in this business that's what athletes are chasing.....OPPORTUNITY. I play everyday with some of my favorites players (all pros- Shannon Brown (Chicago Bulls), Luther Head (Houston Rockets), Will Bynum (Maccabi). These are the guys who are preparing me for the intensity and competition. Summer time "suppose" to be a time for rest and vacation, but I can promise you, I have never been on vacation, never just rest the whole summer, I continue to work and play the game of basketball because the best players in the game don't take breaks. Basketball is what I do, I love it, I think and dream about basketball all day. I feel I have to stay on top of my game because there are so many great basketball players who are working hard to reach their dreams. At the end of the day if you play basketball and you are reading this right now, me and you have the same dreams...to play basketball for a living first option NBA. What will you do to make this happen? Thats the question I never been asked because I know what I have to do and it will be done because its whatever I have to do to make my dreams come true. I will work, work so hard that I can't be denied. That's what it takes and I know that so I'm working hard but also enjoying my family time and being home it can't get no better than that.

I want to thank everyone who came out to the second annual golf outing hosted by me and made happen by my wonderful mother. This event will only grow because with Deron Williams (D-will), Luther Head (LU) in attend, great service, great food, and its for a great cause it will only become more attractive. It was a beautiful day, everyone showed up, the event went so well and I have to say thank you again to everyone who came, who donated, it means a lot to my family and this event will only continue to grow and become an event you have to attend for the experience. I really didn't golf that good, but I have become very interesting in the golf. It's a tough game but its relaxing, mentality challenging and its a game that I would love to explore. Golf will definitely be on my new hobby list along with music and bowling. I just love to go out and play 18 holes and enjoy the course and the shining sun.

Other than that, I'm just preparing and getting excited for this upcoming season. Where will I be? I can't stop thinking about it. Everyone who follow me and really love me understand how I'm feeling right now. I'm having serious problems with my team overseas, I went over there and played my heart out for that team and I thought it was a great organization. The fans were great and I love them so much because they are the ones who always showed me love and support. I have to first say thank you to the organization for giving me a chance to represent them and play the game of basketball THANK YOU. But on another note, I haven't received no pay and a lot of money taken away from me because the team wasn't successfu, which in my eyes is a good and bad thing. The team was ran by me, I was the point guard and controlled everything so if when we won I'm the hero, I'm this or that but when things go bad I'm the one to blame and take a hit. I play basketball for a living and when I'm not being paid its like going to your 9-5 everyday and receive no pay I work for FREE? No aint nothing in this life for free, thats why you have to work. I'm so disappointed with the whole Galatasaray organization because I deserve my money, I worked hard, and I lived in another country for 7 months playing great basketball and winning games. So for all my fans over in Turkey and Europe I had a great time over there, I played hard, I was honored to be on the team, I wanted to win but at the end of the day someone has to lose. I came over to Turkey to get better, gain experience,and to get money I have two kids and family to take care of. I just cant't believe the organization would do me like that but its only making me stronger and understand the business. I love life and love what I do so I know God will make things better and make things right. I will always show love to all my fans and I really enjoyed my time in Turkey....I'm a better man, better player, and understand the game of life and basketball now more than ever before. So I'm blessed and even though I'm upset about this situation LIFE IS GOOD and I'm dedicated to making it back to my dream that's the NBA. What I have coming up....music and basketball games. I will attend U of I ( University of Illinois) for some camps and open runs. I just love going down there so much love and I feel so comfortable down there. I know I haven't been writing much, but your boy been busy with basketball, music, family. I always think of my fans and want everyone to know I love yall and thank you from my heart for the love and support for me. I will make it happen I promise.

Thanks for the love and support. I'm working hard and chasing all of my dreams. Much love and respect from your boy

Quote of the day: "Live your life, smile, dream, play, laugh, no matter what comes your way live this way".

Dee Brown "Illini Prince"
One Man Fastbreak

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Posted by: Anonymous | July 10, 2008 7:53 AM | Report abuse

The Wiz would have had to renounce BOTH Jamison AND Arenas in order to get about 14m under the cap. I can't imagine that there was any ONE FA to sign that would have improved the team that lost two of the big three. Not Brand, or Baron Davis, not to mention the point that neither would have given a second's thought to joining a depleted team that would have struggled to be a playoff contender.

Typical solid Grunfeld move that displays the great player knowledge and scouting that he's always been known for. Come on now, how many of us thought about Dee Brown as a signing? But it is probably a very solid move, he fills a need for a guy that can handle those pesky mighty mite point guards that have always dedeviled both Arenas and Daniels.

What I'm wondering is, does the offer fit under the 1.9m exception? If it does, Grunfeld still has the full MLE to work with. He'd have to go over the Luxury Tax to use it all, depending on Gil's final figure's in his deal.

We could still be looking at Barnes on the roster, if Ernie pulls that off it would be a very solid summer indeed. Gil's final numbers may be massaged a bit to make Barnes fit, something tells me there could be a connection between Gil's signing for less and getting Barnes on the roster.

Rook, you're going to have to explain that never being able to trade a salary exception thing to me. Didn't Seattle do sign and trade with Orlando last year where they got about 10m in Salary exceptions? Then the Suns traded Kurt Thomas and Two first rounders for that exception and then they used that exception as part of the Shaq deal.

If you can't ever trade a salary exception that thing sure moved around alot last year. Maybe there are different rules for a MLE, but I've seen alot of trades over the years with Salary Exceptions.

Trading the MLE is a moot point now because I'm sort of thinking Barnes is the final target now. Without Mason who played a little small forward from time to time we look a little thin behind Butler right now unless McGuire takes a big step up in year two.

Best of luck to Roger Mason, a great guy and a good solid player. Look for him to have an expanded role with SA next year. Some of the same guys that called him a bum will be whining about letting him go for nothing.

Young will have to step up and use this chance to become a complete player and not just a scorer. If he does, and Blatche steps up, this could be a much improved team.

Posted by: GM | July 10, 2008 7:55 AM | Report abuse

OK, an emergency third guard, I get it. But Dee Brown?? Why not Monta Ellis or Daniel Gibson? Can we still get Matt Barnes or are we maxed out? Other teams are strengthening (Miami with James Jones, Orlando with Mickael Pietrus). And we get Dee Brown ... what is going on?

Posted by: Quinn | July 10, 2008 8:15 AM | Report abuse

I don't understand the reluctance to exceed the luxury tax. At some point to be a championship contender you're going to have to make a move for an impact player that will exceed the tax. Teams in the East make the kind of moves the Wizards need to make if they want to contend. For example, Boston signing the Big Three, Cleveland acquiring Ben Wallace and Delonte West last season, Philly getting Elton Brand and Toronto getting Jermaine O'neal.

You can't keep signing players that get you no further than the first round and think somehow a championship will result. This team needs a legitimate low-post player that will give you 15 and 10 consistently. Brendan Haywood is not the answer. He's too much of a head case and too temperamental.

Posted by: wash dc | July 10, 2008 8:18 AM | Report abuse

"Why not just wait until after you see the guy play in ONE game before you P*ss and Moan about him...


Posted by: Rook | July 10, 2008 2:02 AM "

Shut da hell up.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 10, 2008 8:19 AM | Report abuse

Rook, you're going to have to explain that never being able to trade a salary exception thing to me. Didn't Seattle do sign and trade with Orlando last year where they got about 10m in Salary exceptions? Then the Suns traded Kurt Thomas and Two first rounders for that exception and then they used that exception as part of the Shaq deal.

Posted by: GM | July 10, 2008 7:55 AM

Seattle got a "Trade Exception".... They didn't trade their MLE...

It's kinda complicated; Look up non-simultaneous trade on this site:
http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm


Posted by: Rook | July 10, 2008 8:44 AM | Report abuse

"Why not just wait until after you see the guy play in ONE game before you P*ss and Moan about him...


Posted by: Rook | July 10, 2008 2:02 AM "

Shut da hell up.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 10, 2008 8:19 AM

Wow - New and exciting thoughts from DC Man88... as always, full of optimism and great ideas. Love the energy you bring, dude. Keep up the intensity.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 10, 2008 8:49 AM | Report abuse

Shut da hell up.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 10, 2008 8:19 AM
Insightful, very insightful. Does your mommy know you curse like this?

Posted by: Mama's Boy88 | July 10, 2008 8:54 AM | Report abuse

no but your daddy sure knows when he go's in to deep so Shut da hell up

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 10, 2008 9:05 AM | Report abuse

I like the Dee Brown signing. I wouldn't like it if it was for $3 million per, but I've got to think this is for something close to the minimum, leaving room for signing someone else at SF.

Brown is not a pass-first point guard, but he is smaller and fast, which will give the team an option when small, fast point guards are blowing by AD. Plus, a backcourt of Brown and Nick Young will have mega speed, hopefully leading to fast break buckets.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 10, 2008 9:13 AM | Report abuse

Rook, I knew you'd have the answer. I'll copy that off and read it one night when I'm having trouble falling a sleep! The NBA salary cap/luxury tax rules are so simple and easy for a fan to figure out.

But some of this stuff is pretty basic and has been gone over so many times. The Wiz couldn't have just let gil walk and gone after Brand or Davis. Only way that could have happened was via a sign and trade. And the way those deals went down there was no way that was happening.

Falk(Not Marshall) wasn't going to do a sign and trade with his client landing in DC. Baron bolted from Golden State before they had the chance to think about a sign and trade. So both of those sign and trades could have never happened.

Dee Brown and Gil ought to go together on a blog. They could call it "Point to Point" ought to be good for a few million words.

88'er, don't know how many of you fella's are crammed in that one little skull. But just one of them needs some new material...

I'm wondering, am I'm the only one that thinks Gil's taking a little less on his deal could be tied to the Wiz going after Barnes?

Posted by: GM | July 10, 2008 9:17 AM | Report abuse

Dee Brown is an upgrade over the Brian Chases, Mike Wilks and Donnell Taylors we've had around as 3rd PGs. Considering the starting PG might need to work his way back in it makes sense to have a player like Brown to backup AD in that situation.

Want to make this blgo better? ignore Derfman. Children learn to stop acting up only after adults stop reacting to their tantrums.

Posted by: Monte | July 10, 2008 9:29 AM | Report abuse

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Posted by: Anonymous | July 10, 2008 9:32 AM | Report abuse

no but your daddy sure knows when he go's in to deep so Shut da hell up

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 10, 2008 9:05 AM

are u gay dude lol

Posted by: Anonymous | July 10, 2008 9:33 AM | Report abuse

Ivan, why are the assistant coaches only getting one year deals?

Posted by: fire starter | July 10, 2008 9:34 AM | Report abuse

Good signing--at the very least it's a quick little PG to use in practice to help the 1st team learn to play some defense.

Matt Barnes would be a nice little plus, and make this a quiet, but hopefully very effective, off-season.

We're moving back to the metro area next month, and I'm uber-psyched about being able to attend more games!

Posted by: Lou | July 10, 2008 9:36 AM | Report abuse

If Johnathan Wallace out-plays Dee Brown in Vegas what will the Wiz do. Simpily keep DEE because they already signed him?
Maybe keep Wallace thought training camp then let him go? If we cut Dee before trainig camp does that count against our salary cap? Why did Utah did not want him back if hes so cheap and hes a good friend of Deron Williams? Time will tell!!

Posted by: d square | July 10, 2008 9:39 AM | Report abuse

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Lol. Isn't his name spelled Barnes, 350 times? Some people here need to chill out. Yes Matt Barnes would be a nice spell for Caron if he is willing to play defense and stop chucking up ugly 3's. The dude has good intensity, which we could use to help guard the perimter. And on the Dee Brown offer (not signing like many of you have put) Why wouldn't you offer someone like him a cheap contract. Everyone here complains about Gil, then complains that AD is too old, and they want a backup. Well at this point, a cheap Dee Brown as 3rd string sounds like a damn good move to me. Let the pieces fall where they will.

Posted by: LooseCannon | July 10, 2008 9:43 AM | Report abuse

I hope that Ernie is adopting a policy of going after players who used to play for Jerry Sloan. At least then you know they are tough and fundamentally sound. If you can't get a good coach in DC, at least pick players who used to play for a good coach. First Stevenson, now Brown.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 10, 2008 9:52 AM | Report abuse

Another weak signing by EG real surprise. Not a big deal b/c its only a 3rd pg. But we could have drafted someone better in the 2nd round of the draft someone like jamont Gordon. Dee Brown DIDNT EVEN play last year. The only reason he played for the jazz his rookie season is b/c their back up was hurt. As soon as they got jason hart and ronnie price Dee Brown's days were over. Everyone that keeps saying hes pass 1st....he wishes he was shoot 1st he just has a worse jumper than AD so he finally learned if he wants to play he has to be pass first. The only talent he has is speed besides that he is an absolute bum. Cant wait to see the steal Eg grabs at SF it will probably be someone like Maurice Evans going off these other stellar signings.

I hope we grab Dorrell Wright as our back up SF...for once I would actually be happy with someone we draft/sign. If we sign barnes its just a waste of more money. Everyone thinks hes a good 3 point shooter...but hes never shot over like 30% from 3. His D is weak I dont care what Ivan or anyone else says and he cant rebound. This team needs some toughness not another soft jump shooter.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 10, 2008 9:55 AM | Report abuse

What a terrible signing. He is like 5'8, turns the ball over non stop, has no jumper, plays ok D at best. All he has is speed.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 10, 2008 10:04 AM | Report abuse

Alright, next order of business: starting a vote of confidence for Kwame Brown. He actually may be the best bet at a low-post defensive presence banger on the FA market. Let's all make Kwame feel loved.

Posted by: psps23 | July 10, 2008 10:08 AM | Report abuse

Yea Jason Hart was there answer. Played 10 minutes a game last year with averages of 2.9 Pts and 1.5 assists. That is the reason Dee Brown didn't play. And who the hell is Ronnie Price? Do you mean Ronnie Brewer. Oh okay then. Because he was their starting SG last year, doesn't even run point.

Posted by: LooseCannon | July 10, 2008 10:11 AM | Report abuse

LooseCannon-nice try calling me out I know who ronnie Brewer is I meant Ronnie Price. Ronnie Price is a very good back up PG in this league. Yes Jason hart and Ronnie Price is the reason Dee Brown played the entire year in the D-league. He was their 4th PG last year he didnt play at all the entire season. He is a complete waste.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 10, 2008 10:15 AM | Report abuse

Best of luck to Roger Mason Jr. He is a class act. Always thought he was a good guy - and its always cool to see a local guy make it with the home town team. He clearly worked his tail off, improved his game and earned his miutes. He certainly earned this deal with the Spurs. I wish we could have kept him. This team will lack a 3 point sniper now with Mason gone. I can think of a few games in particular that the wizards would have lost last season if not for Mason catching fire and single handly providing offense down the stretch. He will be missed.

Nick Young - time to step up. Hopefully he learned a thing or two from watching a pro like Mason.

Posted by: pepcoenergy3 | July 10, 2008 10:15 AM | Report abuse

"I hope that Ernie is adopting a policy of going after players who used to play for Jerry Sloan. At least then you know they are tough and fundamentally sound. If you can't get a good coach in DC, at least pick players who used to play for a good coach. First Stevenson, now Brown.

Posted by: | July 10, 2008 9:52 AM "

Can someone bring back Bryon Russell, the former Jazz player under Sloan?

I know he was a complete bust here, but even complete busts deserve second, third, fourth, and fifth chances with the Wiz.

Hint: If the Jazz/Sloan are willing to let these chumps go, chances are they're not that good (e.g. Dee Brown pt. 2 and DS).

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 10, 2008 10:17 AM | Report abuse

loosecannon how bout next time you try to call me out you have a clue about what you are talking about. This is exactly why I goof on all of you all the time b/c you are all clueless when it comes to the entire league. You are in a wizards box and except every move they make. The fans on this site are sad.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 10, 2008 10:18 AM | Report abuse

What would Chris Wilcox cost? Would his salary needs fit within the Wizards budget?

Posted by: Anonymous | July 10, 2008 10:20 AM | Report abuse

Nice D-LEAGUE signing. DEE BROWN didnt even play in the league last year. I pray Utah matches but they wont b/c he is 4th in line on their PG depth chart and oh yeah hes so bad he shouldnt even be in the league. Another brilliant signing by EG keep doing a great job.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 10, 2008 10:20 AM | Report abuse

"Do you mean Ronnie Brewer. Oh okay then."

Nothing left to say loosecannon? 2 seconds ago you thought you were pretty smart/funny what happened.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 10, 2008 10:22 AM | Report abuse

The fans on this site are sad.

Posted by: | July 10, 2008 10:18 AM

When are you moving to Seattle? You'll be happier there away from the Wizards.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 10, 2008 10:25 AM | Report abuse

I love the wizards. I just hate wizards management, coaches and pretty much the entire roster except Caron, Blatche and young. We should have blown this one and done team up when we had a chance.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 10, 2008 10:26 AM | Report abuse

With maybe only one roster slot left on the Wiz, I wonder what crumbs the summer team guys are looking at. On some other teams there are as many as 5 remaining roster slots (Mavs for ex.).

Anyway, can't wait to watch the summer league hope they have all 5 games on comcast. Basketball again!

Posted by: rgz | July 10, 2008 10:33 AM | Report abuse

It's not really true that Brown can't shoot; he shot nearly 50% from the arc as a junior in college. What's more true is that he's a streaky shooter, and that he's not great at creating on-balance jumpers against the kind of big defenders that you see in the NBA. He won't create a lot of points off his dribble in the halfcourt, but he's an excellent player in transition who can't be left open in the halfcourt and is a totally reliable handler with good vision. He's also an excellent defender and a great chemistry player with an infectiously positive attitude.

Point is, I wouldn't want him starting for my team, but he's a nice choice for someone to have on your bench.

Posted by: illest | July 10, 2008 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Dorrell Wright is what we need at back up SF. Hes young athletic lots of upside and will fit in with the mold of player Eg seems to like...blatche, pecherov, mcghee.

We need to forget about barnes and go after dorrell wright

Posted by: Anonymous | July 10, 2008 10:35 AM | Report abuse

Touche' salesman

Posted by: LooseCannon | July 10, 2008 10:38 AM | Report abuse

illest-you must still be living in DEE Brown's junior year of college. Did you see his senior year once luther head and deron williams left and people actually guarded him. Did you see him get drafted in the 2nd round? Did you see he played his rookie season in the league and shot 21% from behind the arc and then Utah signed some real backup PG's and he spent the year in the D-league? Hes to short, no jumper, turns the ball over more than he sets people up, once again the only thing he has is speed.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 10, 2008 10:41 AM | Report abuse

Word on the jazz boards has been that the Jazz owner thought that Dee might possibly lead Deron astray. Dee did not sit out last year nor was he in the Dee league. He played the full season in Turkey

Posted by: Absgramp | July 10, 2008 10:46 AM | Report abuse

I can't believe the constant complaining I read on this site. Who do you think they can afford for a third pg? It's not like other teams are carrying 3 starting quality pg. There is such thing as the salary cap and Grunfeld is doing a pretty good job of working with it. In 2000 we didn't even have a Big 1 and all of our role players sucked. You fans need to appreciate the fact that the Wizards organization is trying to even field a competitive team because that wasn't the case in the past.

Posted by: bryan | July 10, 2008 10:48 AM | Report abuse

This sounds like basically a minimum contract for a guy who will try to make the team. I don't think that it means that the Wizards will have to sacrifice any of their exceptions if they choose to use them. It's also not a question of Dee Brown vs. Daniel Gibson or Monta Ellis -- those guys are obviously in a COMPLETELY different quantum of pay scale.

Finally, from the post from Brown's blog, it looks like he played overseas last year trying to get playing time and money, so that's why he wasn't on Utah's roster last year. As a rookie, he showed some flashes with Utah in the playoffs, so I don't see why a minimum-salary guy is causing so much vitriol. If he stinks, they'll cut him with little fanfare, but signing him to a 2-year deal protects them if actually becomes a rotation player.

Posted by: Malik | July 10, 2008 10:48 AM | Report abuse

Unless Arenas or Daniels gets hurt, badly, Brown will never see the court. He's a cheap insurance policy. Nothing more.

Posted by: kalorama | July 10, 2008 10:50 AM | Report abuse

Brown is a solid signing both financially and for the potential of the player. Thanks to whoever posted the facts about his first year in Utah. Jerry Sloan is a hard-nosed coach and you have to show him something to get minutes. Brown simply became a victim of the numbers after his injury. Checking speedy quick guards has always been lacking on the Wiz. A-I burned us for years...even Earl Boykins and a few others. Plus, we've never seen the added dimension of having a speedy pass-first point to run with a now young & athletic 2nd unit. There was no way we could have signed Monta Ellis coming off the year he had. We had a better shot at re-upping Roger Mason Jr and we all but knew that wasn't happening. Let's judge the product by wins & losses after its played a few games.

Posted by: G$ | July 10, 2008 10:50 AM | Report abuse

all that being said...i'd still like to see us get a 3 point specialist and that enforcer in the paint (unless Etan can return and be that force down there on the boards)

Posted by: G$ | July 10, 2008 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Direct from wikipedia


Dee is the winningest player in Illinois history (tied with James Augustine) with 114 victories, leads in all-time minutes (4,698) and started the most games (136) of any player in school history. Played in 137 games during his career, the most in school history (tied with James Augustine) Third on the Illini all-time scoring chart with 1,812 career points and second in school history in career 3-pointers (299), career assists (674) and career steals (231. His career assists total ranks fifth in Big Ten history, while his career 3-pointers and career steals totals rank sixth in Big Ten history. Dee is also Illinois' record holder in the NCAA Tournament for career points (179) and career field goals(64).

Second all time in three pointers at Illinois....... Really sounds weak from outside the arc

You guys just picked up a Really good Point guard in Dee Brown. You will love how down to earth he is and his Hustle on the court.

Posted by: Ramon | July 10, 2008 11:04 AM | Report abuse

I love fantasy sports and video games but I think they make casual fans believe that you can just release and sign players on a whim. It's not easy to just sign a Monta Ellis (a restricted FA looking for big money) or cut your 2 star players to chase after other teams star players. For the first time in years of being a Bullets/ Wiz fan I am finally starting to see them build a foundation. The GM actually has a plan. If you want constant movement and signings, just wait for the August and the Redskins should fill that void for you.

Posted by: bryan | July 10, 2008 11:04 AM | Report abuse

Is there even the remote possibility of doing a sign and trade with the Bobcats for Okafur? Brendan had a nice year last year but Okafur would provide a much more intimidating defensive presence.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 10, 2008 11:07 AM | Report abuse

Dont forget though, I believe the mid-level exception allows us to go over the tax threshold. Can Somebody verify that?

Posted by: Gtown87 | July 10, 2008 11:08 AM | Report abuse

"The Wizards were interested in retaining Mason but a source close to the situation said they did not match San Antonio's offer."

WTG Gilbert!

You are such a great guy Gil, way to help the club out.

"Best of luck to Roger Mason, a great guy and a good solid player. Look for him to have an expanded role with SA next year. Some of the same guys that called him a bum will be whining about letting him go for nothing."

Roger is solid and he's going to a team that still has a chance to win a title. Great for him. I'm sorry, but if they sign Dee Brown that's a freaking joke.

How does signing that guy make the Wizards any better??? They went from re-signing Mason, to going after Posey to back up Caron, to signing some shmuck as a 3rd string PG??

Com'on now guys/girls, stop drinking EG's kool-aid and be honest with yourselves.

Eddie, you better start getting your resume together because you're in for a long hard year.

I for one am very down on what the Wizards are doing. I'm going to watch no matter what but this is getting rediculous.

Gilbert Arenas took less money so the Wizards could sign Dee Brown as third string bench warmer.

Wow, what a great guy.

- Ray

Posted by: Ray | July 10, 2008 11:15 AM | Report abuse

"Is there even the remote possibility of doing a sign and trade with the Bobcats for Okafur?"

No.

"Brendan had a nice year last year but Okafur would provide a much more intimidating defensive presence."

Which begs the question of why the Bobcats would trade him (esp. for anything the Wiz have to offer).

Posted by: kalorama | July 10, 2008 11:15 AM | Report abuse

Did somebody really say Monta Ellis? Your joking right?

Posted by: Gtown87 | July 10, 2008 11:17 AM | Report abuse

Free agents are only one way to go, and EG knows all about the others, including sign-and-trades, straight trades, and pickups. Maybe Songaila, Daniels, and even Blatche shouldn't sign long-term leases. And of course there's that weird Memphis 1st or 2nd rounder to throw into a deal. Stay tuned.

Posted by: joe c | July 10, 2008 11:18 AM | Report abuse

"Dont forget though, I believe the mid-level exception allows us to go over the tax threshold. Can Somebody verify that?"

The midlevel exception has nothing to do with the tax threshold. Every team can go over the threshold if they want; they don't require special permisssion or status.

The midlevel exception allows teams that are over the cap to still spend up to the average NBA salary (+/- $6 mill this season) on FAs. But if, in spending the exception, they go over the tax ceiling, they still have to pay the tax.

Posted by: kalorama | July 10, 2008 11:19 AM | Report abuse

Heywood (UNC guy), Blatche, and two #1's for Okafur.

Done and done.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 10, 2008 11:22 AM | Report abuse

"Heywood (UNC guy), Blatche, and two #1's for Okafur.

Done and done.

Dumb and dumb.

Posted by: kalorama | July 10, 2008 11:24 AM | Report abuse

I like that Okafur trade proposal. Of course, Le Wiz would still have to sign him and that would mean luxury tax time - which ain't going to happen as long as Abe as the strength to sit up straight...Looking forward to Teddy AOL taking over this team.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 10, 2008 11:25 AM | Report abuse

Ray, Mason was not really an option for us this year regardless. They had to make way for N1 and you don't pay the money that Mason was looking for to a 3rd pg.

Gil left them room underneath the luxtax threshold to sign a player for about 2-3 mil. Dee Brown is a good option for an emergency, change of pace, 3rd guard.

Posted by: kblack | July 10, 2008 11:30 AM | Report abuse

Only 8 teams went over the luxury tax last year, so it's not like teams are breaking the bank in the NBA. I can't remember the list that well but other than Boston not many of those teams were that great.

Posted by: bryan | July 10, 2008 11:32 AM | Report abuse

Nobody's touting Dee Brown as a difference-maker, but he is a warm body on the bench, probably at a very reasonable salary. If Gil or AD gets injured, we have a little something to put on the floor.

I really, really liked Roger Mason, Jr. He was a feel-good guy, but he *NEVER* would have seen the playing time he saw last year with Gil on the court. I don't buy the argument that we need a sharp-shooter off the bench when 1). the bench players rarely play and 2). we have enough jump shooters in our starting line-up.

Posted by: Lou | July 10, 2008 11:49 AM | Report abuse

Okafor has been an underachiever all his pro career. And you will trade for BTH (who just had an exceptional year), Blatche (Potential and highly underpaid for his skill) and TWO No. 1 PICKS!

CRAZY!

Posted by: Dave | July 10, 2008 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Lou - we have a lot of scorers in the team (Gil, AJ, CB, NY). What the team now lacks, with RM out, is a pure shooter ala Barry brothers, Jason Kapono, heck you can include Damon Jones and JCN in the list.

Posted by: Dave | July 10, 2008 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Shaun Livingston!

Posted by: Better out there | July 10, 2008 11:55 AM | Report abuse

From ESPN...

Teams with a payroll above $67.865 million last season are required to pay one tax dollar for every dollar they sit over the Luxury Tax threshold.

For the 2007-08 Season, the following teams will have to pay the Tax:
Knicks $19,723,946
Dallas Mavericks $19,613,295
Cleveland Cavaliers $14,008,561
Denver Nuggets $13,572,079
Miami Heat $8,318,879
Boston Celtics $8,218,368
Los Angeles Lakers $5,131,757
Phoenix Suns $3,867,313

The 22 teams that don't owe any tax, will each receive 1/30th of the $92,454,198 total tax pot. That comes up to $3,081,807 per Team.

The remaining $24.7 million of "undistributed tax funds" will be used to fund assistance payments to "low-revenue teams."

Posted by: Rook | July 10, 2008 11:56 AM | Report abuse

we still better sign a small foward like Matt Barnes to back up Caron Butler or we will be the same dum team if we want 14 players as the maximum on the roster we can just send down Javale McGee to the D-league and we will look like this.
Pg.Arenas/Daniels/Brown
Sg.Stevenson/Young
Sf.Butler/Barnes/McGuire
Pf.Jamison/Songaila/Pecherov
C.Haywood/Blatche/Thomas

Posted by: Dinner | July 10, 2008 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Dee Brown is a good pickup. Before you trash him, at least let's see how he plays in Vegas. That group really needed a PG with some experience to get the ball to Young, Blatche, etc. and he will. One thing everyone agrees on about Brown is that he has a great motor, a must for a third PG who won't play much but needs to bring great energy when he does.

Posted by: Get a grip | July 10, 2008 12:00 PM | Report abuse

I love how everyone is talking about Dee Brown in college. Those are some solid stats but look at how he did his senior year once deron williams/luther head were gone. There is a reason he got drafted in the 2nd round and there is a reason he was playing in Turkey last year. He couldn't beat out jason hart for the 3rd PG spot on Utahs roster. Its not a big deal b/c he is a 3rd pg but we could have used our 2nd round pick on a PG that would have been better/cheaper. Or we could have just signed an undrafted PG better than Dee Brown. The guy has no skills what so ever except speed. Who EG going to sign at SF someone like Marcus Fizer who has been out of the league for a couple years...I mean come on

Posted by: Anonymous | July 10, 2008 12:07 PM | Report abuse

"Okafor has been an underachiever all his pro career. "

Career average of 14 pts, 11 rebs, and 2 blocks. What a f*cking slacker.

As for Haywood's "exceptional" year ... the only thing exceptional about it was that it was marginally better than his previous 6, which were bad to awful. I can't believe people get this worked up over a serviceable-at-best 7 year vet with a "breakout year" of 10 and 7.

Posted by: kalorama | July 10, 2008 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Dee Brown is a no-brainer as a 3rd gaurd...everybody loves the guy, he's a winner and he invented the jersey pop...what else do you want?

Posted by: dave | July 10, 2008 12:09 PM | Report abuse

I've always thought Marcus Fizer would be a heck of a pickup. He's out of the league, though, I believe, because he is a little loony. Don't tell him I said that.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 10, 2008 12:10 PM | Report abuse

I say trade for Kevin Garnett to back up Tim Duncan once we get TD in the fold.

Posted by: jose | July 10, 2008 12:11 PM | Report abuse

"I've always thought Marcus Fizer would be a heck of a pickup. He's out of the league, though, I believe, because he is a little loony. Don't tell him I said that."


I want a player that can stay in the league longer than 1 year. A player that is worth signing as a 3rd PG maybe not Dee Brown

Posted by: Anonymous | July 10, 2008 12:13 PM | Report abuse

"Dee Brown is a good pickup. Before you trash him, at least let's see how he plays in Vegas. That group really needed a PG with some experience to get the ball to Young, Blatche, etc. and he will. One thing everyone agrees on about Brown is that he has a great motor, a must for a third PG who won't play much but needs to bring great energy when he does.

Posted by: Get a grip | July 10, 2008 12:00 PM "

I'm sure Dee Brown Pt. 2 can dribble the ball, make a bounce pass, shoot a layup, make a free throw, and grab a rebound.

The problem/question is "did Gilby sacrifice 16 mil for this?!?!" How did the Wiz get better by signing this new dude?

Teams in the East are making moves and building from last year by adding impact players and contributors like Brand, Pietrus, Duhon, James Jones, etc.

And what are bloggers on this website doing? Getting excited about Dee Brown pt. 2.

As one former NBA Player (Derrick Coleman) once said:

"Whooopdee d@mn dooo..."

On a side note, future Agent Zeros:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?page=Orlando-Day3-080709

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 10, 2008 12:14 PM | Report abuse

whoops

"Dee Brown is a no-brainer as a 3rd gaurd...everybody loves the guy, he's a winner and he invented the jersey pop...what else do you want?"

I want a player that can stay in the league longer than 1 year. A player that is worth signing as a 3rd PG maybe not Dee Brown

Posted by: Anonymous | July 10, 2008 12:14 PM | Report abuse

Charlotte would laugh at us if we offered haywood, blatche and two 1st rounders for okafor. Thats worse than the Pau Gasol trade. If EG could pull that off it would already be completed.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 10, 2008 12:15 PM | Report abuse

If Ernie doesn't sign a small forward, I wonder if he is forcing EJ's hand to stop playing small ball, and go with a bigger lineup. EJ will have to play Jamison or Blatche at small forward when Caron sits.

(But then EJ will probably just play Caron 48 minutes/game in response.)

Posted by: Anonymous | July 10, 2008 12:16 PM | Report abuse

"As for Haywood's "exceptional" year ... the only thing exceptional about it was that it was marginally better than his previous 6, which were bad to awful. I can't believe people get this worked up over a serviceable-at-best 7 year vet with a "breakout year" of 10 and 7."


Im glad someone hear is realistic. Haywood is a backup on a good team. Breakout year hahaha 10 and 7 in his 7th year and the league and everyone here thinks we should sign him up for life. unbelievable is all i can say

Posted by: Anonymous | July 10, 2008 12:18 PM | Report abuse

I love the idea of playing blatche at the 3. EJ isn't opposed to small lineups though he used to start jared jeffries at the 2 all the time. If he can get a guy who can run the court and guard smaller guys he will play them out of position if he thinks it will benefit us.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 10, 2008 12:23 PM | Report abuse

**** meant EJ isnt opposed to playing bigger lineups

Posted by: Anonymous | July 10, 2008 12:24 PM | Report abuse

I realize it's not my money but I don't get this hard stance to stay under the luxary cap at all costs. Abe isn't going to be around forever and would love desperately to see this team win a title. What's a few million of his vast riches to improve the team's chances? That's not to say there's any one signing that would put this team over the top though it would be nice to see the team do something more inspired than Dee Brown. This team hasn't made a noteworthy in more than three years.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 10, 2008 12:24 PM | Report abuse

"Career average of 14 pts, 11 rebs, and 2 blocks. What a f*cking slacker"

After winning the National title and the tournament's MVP and selected no 2 overall pick. More was expected of him. Heck the Bobcats pick him to be their cornerstone / all-star. Have we seen the team in the playoff yet? Yeah, right!

"As for Haywood's "exceptional" year ... the only thing exceptional about it was that it was marginally better than his previous 6, which were bad to awful"

So you agree that he made a big jump from his previous years. And your point is....?

By the way here are the 2007-2008 stats for both:

Okafor - 13.8 ppg; 10.7 rpg; 1.7 bpg
Haywood - 10.6 ppg; 7.2 rpg; 1.7 bpg

If you see the points, it's not bad for being the last option in the starting five.

Posted by: Dave, | July 10, 2008 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Dee Brown is a third PG. There is no reason to ever get "excited" over a third PG. As for impact players, Duhon and James Jones are not in that category. They are decent role players if put in the right situation. And Barnes played over Pietrus during Golden State's run the season before last.
It still comes down to Big 3 staying healthy and Young/Blatche coming of age. If all of that does not happen, it's 43-39 all over and LeBron and out in the first round.

Posted by: Get a grip | July 10, 2008 12:27 PM | Report abuse

"Im glad someone hear is realistic. Haywood is a backup on a good team. Breakout year hahaha 10 and 7 in his 7th year and the league and everyone here thinks we should sign him up for life. unbelievable is all i can say

Posted by: | July 10, 2008 12:18 PM "

BTH proved that given PT, he would produce, and he did, for a guy who doesn't get much touches.

Why are people even comparing BTH to Okafor? Was BTH the 2nd pick in the draft? No. Does Okafor make more money than BTH? Yes.

Here are some interesting stats from last season:

Okafor averaged 3 more shots/game than BTH, and both had about the same FG percentage.

Okafor shot .570 from the charity stripe. BTH shot .735.

Both averaged 1.7 blocks/game. Okafor averaged almost 6 more minutes/game.

BTH has better career numbers in both FG and FT and did a heckuva job against KG and DHoward last season.

Who's going to be helping AJ defend Brand? BTH. KG? BTH. Rest of 4's in the East? BTH.....

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 10, 2008 12:32 PM | Report abuse

"Dee Brown is a third PG. There is no reason to ever get "excited" over a third PG. As for impact players, Duhon and James Jones are not in that category. They are decent role players if put in the right situation. And Barnes played over Pietrus during Golden State's run the season before last.
It still comes down to Big 3 staying healthy and Young/Blatche coming of age. If all of that does not happen, it's 43-39 all over and LeBron and out in the first round.

Posted by: Get a grip | July 10, 2008 12:27 PM "

Please note, I said impact players and "contributors."

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 10, 2008 12:33 PM | Report abuse

"So you agree that he made a big jump from his previous years. And your point is....?"

www.dictionary.com

Look up the definition of the words "marginal" and "big" and get back to.

Or, y'know, don't. That would be fine, too.

Posted by: "kalorama | July 10, 2008 12:46 PM | Report abuse

"www.dictionary.com

Look up the definition of the words "marginal" and "big" and get back to.

Or, y'know, don't. That would be fine, too"

Typical answer from Kalorama. Proving again that he is all talk and no brain.

No comment on any other info I provided? Try again Kal.

Posted by: Dave | July 10, 2008 12:51 PM | Report abuse

"Teams in the East are making moves and building from last year by adding impact players and contributors like Brand, Pietrus, Duhon, James Jones, etc."

Yes, and maybe these teams will finally catch up with the Wiz (i.e. when the big three are healthy).

Posted by: Anonymous | July 10, 2008 12:54 PM | Report abuse

You didn't provide any info, at least not any that disputed the fact that Okafor is a better player than Haywood and the Bobcats would laugh that deal off the table.

Take your own advice. Try again. Or not. That would be fine, too.

Posted by: kalorama | July 10, 2008 12:55 PM | Report abuse

And what about Okafor being an underachiever?

If we're going to have a vote if BTH had a marginal or a big year last year. What do you think the majority will say?

Posted by: Dave, | July 10, 2008 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Chris Duhon, who was a fine player at Duke, and an OK guard off the bench for the Bulls, expects to START at the point for the Knicks and will be paid the full MLE (or close to it) for 3 or more years...

Dee Brown, who was one of the greatest players in Illinois history and logged playoff minutes for the Jazz in 2007, is happy (maybe even ecstatic if you read his blog copy) to come off the Wizards bench in an emergency and provide quality minutes at the point and/or provide a change of pace against selected opponents when a few minutes of small, quick guard play might create an imbalance in our favor. He will provide this useful service for less than 10% of the MLE.

Seems reasonable.

Should we still seek a wing who can back up Caron for 10-15 minutes a game, harass opponents and hit the outside shot consistently? You bet.

Will these additions make the Wizards a potential contender. Quite possibly... and it's worth sitting back a bit and seeing if they come together at the start of the season... Come early 2009, who knows?

Posted by: khrabb | July 10, 2008 1:08 PM | Report abuse

If Blatche is ever on a team that Larry Brown coaches I demand a reality show about it.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 10, 2008 1:08 PM | Report abuse

1-GA, AD, DeeB
2-DSteve, NY
3-CB, AB, DMac
4-AJ, DSong, OPech
5-BH, ET, JMac

Thats 14; they kind of seem set...not sure Ernie will pick up anybody else. Unless one of the kids go to the D League.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 10, 2008 1:14 PM | Report abuse

I always thought Marcus Fizer could get a role in the next remake of the longest yard playing one of the over muscled looney jailbirds.

Ray...You were really, really pissed that Young wasn't playing at the end of the year in the playoffs. Since we had no Bird rights to Mason we couldn't sign and trade him. Young was scorching the nets from three land at year's end so he can replace Mason's long range game. The only thing Mason could do that Young can't replace is play point.

Brown will be more of a true point that many have said we need to play a little more on the ball pressure. Mason wasn't able to provide that at all. So in the end Mason and Young were going to take time from each other.

I for one thought Ernie might dangle Young as part of a bigger deal and resign Mason, but that didn't happen.

I'm still quessing there's one more move coming at small forward. I'm not beating the Barnes drum, it just seems like there's a connection there.

I have always thought that the improvement in this team will come from Young and Blatche grabbing major roles next year and forcing themselves into the regular rotation.

Ernie is building a team by stockpiling young talent not by making a splashy FA signing to go one and done.

Gil and Butler are relatiely young, Jamison is starting to age like a fine wine. Next year Daniels and Etan will be bait for a team searching for cap space and Ernie will have a young team and all his picks plus an extra draft pick in his back pocket.

This team improved last year with a three time allstar on the shelf for much of the year. If nothing else Brown will provide some insurance so Eddie can ease Gil back into things at the start of the year.

I'm looking forward to seeing these young guys together in Vegas. Blending the youngsters in with the big three is going to be the future of this team.

Posted by: GM | July 10, 2008 1:17 PM | Report abuse

"Yes, and maybe these teams will finally catch up with the Wiz (i.e. when the big three are healthy).

Posted by: | July 10, 2008 12:54 PM "

Catch up?

Sixers went to the playoffs last season.

Orlando went to the second round last season.

Fully healthy with the big 3 or not, Wiz have been one and done the last 3 seasons. Who's catching up with whom?

BTW, BTH didn't become Tim Duncan last season, but his numbers went up with more PT and most noticeably, his FT% went from .548 to .735. That's a testament to the work he put in to improve that stat, which few to no players (especially big men) in the league have ever produced such a jump from one season to the next.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 10, 2008 1:20 PM | Report abuse

I'm not sure why there's such an uproar to trade Haywood/Blatche AND a number 1 pick to Charlotte for Okafor...

Don't get me wrong, Okafor is a fine player; but he's NOT an elite Center. Matter of fact, a case could be made that he has not improved since he came into the League. In fact, during the 2007-08 season (a contract year) he averaged just about the same points, rebounds, blocks and assists as his Rookie year; which were about the same as his Second year; which were about the same as his Third year.....

If you look at Haywood's numbers for 2007-08; he scored a bit less than Okafor and Okafor rebounded a bit better - Brendan was a better passer out of the post (with more assists) and his FT shooting was MUCH better than Okafor. But, keep in mind that Okafor played an average of 8 minutes per game more than Haywood....

And for that slight improvement in points & rebounds - some are willing to give up Haywood AND Blatche AND a 1st Round Pick?

Now throw in the fact that Okafor will command a $8 - $10 Million salary this year (versus Haywood's $5.5 Million) - and it does not seem worth it to me.

Posted by: Rook | July 10, 2008 1:28 PM | Report abuse

BTH showed more heart last year than any other player on the Wiz. He backed his boyz on and off the court more so than ever before. Abe should make him a Wizard for life. While Eddie's juvenile behavior toward BTH improved over previous years it was still idiotic at times last year. And resulted in BTH sitting on the bench much more than he should have last year. I still think the biggest improvement Ernie could make on this team is to get a new coach--the sooner the better.

Posted by: oddjob | July 10, 2008 1:39 PM | Report abuse

"Yes, and maybe these teams will finally catch up with the Wiz (i.e. when the big three are healthy).

Posted by: | July 10, 2008 12:54 PM "

Catch up?

Sixers went to the playoffs last season.

Orlando went to the second round last season.

Fully healthy with the big 3 or not, Wiz have been one and done the last 3 seasons. Who's catching up with whom?

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 10, 2008 1:20 PM

With the big three fully healthy in early 2007, they had the top record in the East. Last season they had a top 10 NBA player out most of the year and still finished above .500 and in the playoffs.

Butler has developed into a player of note in his own right and AJ has not gotten any worse.

The bench is better and on the cusp of providing major support.

I believe this is why EG has not felt he had to make any major moves. The major moves were re-signing GA and AJ.

What team have you been following?


Posted by: Anonymous | July 10, 2008 1:40 PM | Report abuse

"Heywood (UNC guy), Blatche, and two #1's for Okafur.

Done and done.

Posted by: | July 10, 2008 11:22 AM

This would be quite possibly the worst trade in recent memory. HELL NO! LOL

BTH stays he played alot better last year. You can't really tell too much from his numbers because he's only going to play so many minutes and be asked to score so many points a game. He rebounded and defended well and FINALLY started to dunk the d*mn ball.

Def. not trading Andray the Giant. too much potential

2 #1 picks....are u outta your mind?

Posted by: Gtown87 | July 10, 2008 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Dee Brown is a pimp. First and last Slam Dunk Champion to sport the PUMPS.

Posted by: ATLwizFAN | July 10, 2008 1:42 PM | Report abuse

but seriously, why did they not make a move for Livingston first? If Livingston signs for a similar deal and turns out to be what he was supposed to be - then EG better watch out for his job.

Posted by: ATLwizFAN | July 10, 2008 1:44 PM | Report abuse

I would have much preferred them find a young PG, with lots of upside, instead of committing 2 years to a stop gap solution like Dee Brown. This was a perfect opportunity for the Wiz to groom a young PG, behind A. Daniels and Agent 0.

I don't know much about Dee Brown. Hollinger doesn't even cover him on ESPN. Which tells me, he isn't bringing any 'exceptional' niches to the Team.

Posted by: Alobar | July 10, 2008 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Interesting post from back in 2007 as to why Dee Brown is no longer with Utah. Seems that the Owner (Larry Miller) didn't like the "influence" Brown had with Deron Williams.

"Now Deron's married and Dee's not," Miller said, "and so if Dee is going out, who's he going to go with, and is that good for Deron?"

Larry Miller is a notorious right wing conservative - outspoken on many issues. He refused to show Brokeback Mountain in his suburban Salt Lake City movie chain.

Seems the ultra-conservative Miller didn't want his prize 1st round pick (Williams) sullied by the unmarried Dee Brown..

http://www.fanhouse.com/2007/07/27/does-larry-miller-want-dee-brown-out-of-utah/

No wonder Brown went to Turkey to play Basketball.

Posted by: Rook | July 10, 2008 1:47 PM | Report abuse

I would have much preferred them find a young PG, with lots of upside, instead of committing 2 years to a stop gap solution like Dee Brown. This was a perfect opportunity for the Wiz to groom a young PG, behind A. Daniels and Agent 0.

Posted by: Alobar | July 10, 2008 1:44 PM

Not sure how you define "upside"... Sure the Wizards could use a young PG with tremendous upside (like Derrick Rose, or Russell Westbrook) but there are only so many of those types available.

What the Wizards got in Dee Brown, is a guy that is extremely quick and fast; Only 24 years old; A hard worker; a hustler; a VERY GOOD distributor (good assist PG) with Low turnover rate; and a genuinely nice person (good locker room guy). AND I believe that he DOES have upside. Jerry Sloan played him in the Playoffs in 2006-07 ! And Jerry Sloan DOESN'T LIKE TO PLAY ROOKIES ! So obviously, Sloan thought he had something the Jazz needed.

The Wizards got all that for LESS THAN the LLE. They saved the entire MLE; in case they want to sign another player.

Name another FA Point Guard out there the Wizards could have signed for the LLE or less? Name one that has MORE UPSIDE...

Posted by: Rook | July 10, 2008 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Kalorama - Have you read Rook, Oddjob, Gtown87 and others' comment? Do we still have to vote? Yoohoo...Kal are you there?

Posted by: Dave, | July 10, 2008 2:00 PM | Report abuse

I would have LOVED it if Ernie rolled the dice and used his remaining money to sign Livingston to a multi-year deal.

That doesn't mean, though, that I don't like the signing of Dee Brown to a minimum, partially guaranteed two year deal.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 10, 2008 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Dee Brown was a cheap easy signing to have a quick, small 3rd PG to match up against some of those pesky smaller PG's who have killed Agent Zero and AD over the years. I think we'll find that his deal was less than $1M/yr. to be the 3rd PG. Whether the Wiz will go over the luxury tax cap to sign Barnes is another question. I'm not sure he would have signed here for $2.5M if that was the most we can offer. I'd like to see them make the move, but Abe Pollin has spent $160M to re-sign AJ and GA. This is all EG may have to work with this year, but there may be moves next summer when AD, Songaila, and Etan are entering the final year of their contracts.

Posted by: wizfan89 | July 10, 2008 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Songaila or Pech needs to go via trade ASAP. We're overstocked at the 4 spot. Probably Songaila since he's older.

Posted by: Gtown87 | July 10, 2008 2:11 PM | Report abuse

No wonder Brown went to Turkey to play Basketball.

Posted by: Rook | July 10, 2008 1:47 PM

I wonder if that stint in Turkey matured him any, as I understand there also is a nightlife with lots of clubs and bars in Istanbul. Maybe with him not getting paid (according to his webpage), nightclubbing was not in his budget? Anyway it sounds like he is a driven young man, hope he has the character to take him further.

And speaking of the summer league, Ivan and others who've watched the summer league, what the heck will over three hundred young men do in their free time in Vegas? Are there training camp type rules & curfews?

Posted by: rgz | July 10, 2008 2:13 PM | Report abuse

"With the big three fully healthy in early 2007, they had the top record in the East. Last season they had a top 10 NBA player out most of the year and still finished above .500 and in the playoffs.

Butler has developed into a player of note in his own right and AJ has not gotten any worse.

The bench is better and on the cusp of providing major support.

I believe this is why EG has not felt he had to make any major moves. The major moves were re-signing GA and AJ.

What team have you been following?


Posted by: | July 10, 2008 1:40 PM "

Why do people keep talking about the "first in the east" horsecrap?

How did that season play out at the end?

And, don't give me the lame excuse about health unless you can guarantee health for the Wiz for the entire season.

When your second team is so much worse than your first team, then you will fall hard when people get hurt. And, who's responsible for making sure the 2nd team is up to par? Uhh, that be the GM and the coach.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 10, 2008 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Dee Brown is the 3rd pg option that you all were clammering for last season ( and at a reasonable price ), plus he has potential. He played all last season in Turkey, where he averaged 14.7 pts, 3.8 asst, and 2.5 rebounds per game. The Jazz have no room on their roster for him. That's why they opted to select only European players (both rounds) in the draft ... so they could leave them in Europe for a while.

There is still around 2.5 million left for the Wiz to sign another player, and it will probably be Barnes. I think EG is doing a decent job. If the younger players (including Blatche) show any improvement, with the Big 3 back ... this is a very good team ... for years to come. Gil may never be what he was, but I don't doubt that he will ever stop trying to be the best. If he can't do one thing as well as he used to, he'll find another way to beat you( sort of like how aging veterans that aren't quite a quick as they used to be, still find ways to beat their man). . He has to much pride, and a great work ethic.

Posted by: 2cents | July 10, 2008 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Dee made eyes at a white morman chick and got sent on a "Mission" to Turkey!

Posted by: Anonymous | July 10, 2008 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Songaila or Pech needs to go via trade ASAP. We're overstocked at the 4 spot. Probably Songaila since he's older.

Posted by: Gtown87 | July 10, 2008 2:11 PM

Which team will benefit from Songaila's $4M veteran presence? Maybe Mavs,what could they give up? And for Pech, anyone interested in another tall gangly raw Euro-type face-up PF (why do all these guys model themselves after Nowitzki?).

Posted by: rgz | July 10, 2008 2:24 PM | Report abuse

When your second team is so much worse than your first team, then you will fall hard when people get hurt. And, who's responsible for making sure the 2nd team is up to par? Uhh, that be the GM and the coach.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 10, 2008 2:18 PM

You be they are. That is why we still made the playoffs despite injuries to our top 10 NBA player (out most of the year) and our second best player was not healthy for a large chunk of the year as well.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 10, 2008 2:26 PM | Report abuse

His senior season at Illinois was marked by a serious drop-off in his efficiency. That's because he had to create his own shots instead of just converting open jumpers, and he's simply not good at creating high percentage shots for himself. As I pointed out earlier, his 49% shooting from the arc as a junior is plenty of evidence that he'll make shots when he's left open. However, Wizard fans shouldn't expect him to create points on isolation plays.

Like I said earlier, Brown is a solid player to bring off your bench for his chemistry, his defense, and his ability to manage the offense without turning the ball over. Just don't expect him to create in the halfcourt offense, and you won't be let down.

Posted by: Illest | July 10, 2008 2:39 PM | Report abuse

If Dee Brown is the Wizards final step in the 08/09 plan, then I'm giving up on the Wizards. Okay, not really. I'm going to watch all 82 games from here until death does part me from the Wizards, but all the same I am going to be very disappointed in EG. I have trusted in EG's long-run plan eventually working for the Wizards, that the big 3 will finally click and realize their supposed-championship potential. But if he sends us to the season with the same roster, except Mason swapped for Brown, I am going to lose faith.
Please, have this be part of some planned trade, or part of us also acquiring a Barnes-esque forward. Please

Posted by: Emmet | July 10, 2008 2:59 PM | Report abuse

And, don't give me the lame excuse about health unless you can guarantee health for the Wiz for the entire season.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 10, 2008 2:18 PM

There is no guarantee. There's only hope that the team stays healthy. If they stay healthy they have the ingredients to be a top-notch team in the East. How many teams can say that?

And that's why the Wizards didn't blow up the team. If Grunfeld blows up the team he ends up with something even worse. Perhaps less injury-prone (and we don't know!), but definitely a team more limited in potentail. What do they do, drop Arenas and Jamison for Brand? Because that's what it would take. For any real fan that's unacceptable. That's a guarantee of mediocrity at best.

Most "experts" on the Wizards have it all wrong. They question why resign Arenas and Jamison when the "big three" have been "one and done" the past three years. but they ignore the injuries. or perhaps if they're really pessimistic they're assuming that the wizards can't get through an entire season without substantial injury problems. but that's not a reasonable assumption. that itself isn't guaranteed.

Let's cross our fingers and hope that the Wizards stay healthy. No guarantees, but if they do...

Posted by: Johnnie Futbol | July 10, 2008 3:14 PM | Report abuse

i am still amazed by the fact that folks on this blog blame Abe for GM mistakes, but credit EG for good player personnel moves... It is the GM, it is always the GM with regards to the player EJ has to work with.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 10, 2008 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Gtown87

I agree whoever posted that BTH and 2 #1's to the Bobcats for Okafur is out of their mind. Why are we comparing Okafur's #'s to BTH? Not a good comparison when Okafur plays more minutes on a team that until last season, wasn't even coming close to .500 basketball over the span of a year. And with no Gerald Wallace in the line-up most of the year, he should have had a higher avg. BTH played with heart and did improve with more minutes. Hopla had a major effect on his shooting and Free Throw Percentage. The real value in BTH is his salary. And for all those who seem to think that there are all of these true centers out there who can avg 15+ & 10 a night better check out the evolution of the game. Other than Yao Ming & Dwight Howard, there really aren't many of them left in existence. Maybe Greg Oden will join that list this year.

Posted by: G$ | July 10, 2008 3:35 PM | Report abuse

"There is no guarantee. There's only hope that the team stays healthy. If they stay healthy they have the ingredients to be a top-notch team in the East. How many teams can say that?

And that's why the Wizards didn't blow up the team. If Grunfeld blows up the team he ends up with something even worse. Perhaps less injury-prone (and we don't know!), but definitely a team more limited in potentail. What do they do, drop Arenas and Jamison for Brand? Because that's what it would take. For any real fan that's unacceptable. That's a guarantee of mediocrity at best.

Most "experts" on the Wizards have it all wrong. They question why resign Arenas and Jamison when the "big three" have been "one and done" the past three years. but they ignore the injuries. or perhaps if they're really pessimistic they're assuming that the wizards can't get through an entire season without substantial injury problems. but that's not a reasonable assumption. that itself isn't guaranteed.

Let's cross our fingers and hope that the Wizards stay healthy. No guarantees, but if they do...

Posted by: Johnnie Futbol | July 10, 2008 3:14 PM "

In the NBA, hope is for fools.

In the NBA, you have to plan and prepare.

You can't have your idiot max money point guard running off and doing his own workout regime.

You can't have a 2nd team full of young stiffs that can't much.

You can't run your first team into the ground.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 10, 2008 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Is there any possibility we can get Shaun Livingston with us 2.5 mill under the cap. He is 6'7" and can probably guard the two and three. He would be nice to have against...mmmmm Lebron.

Posted by: Shaun | July 10, 2008 3:54 PM | Report abuse

greg oden = bust

Posted by: Anonymous | July 10, 2008 3:56 PM | Report abuse

In the NBA, hope is for fools.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 10, 2008 3:53 PM

And you're pushing for mediocrity. I'll take hope, thank you very much.

Posted by: Johnnie Futbol | July 10, 2008 4:02 PM | Report abuse

"You be they are. That is why we still made the playoffs despite injuries to our top 10 NBA player (out most of the year) and our second best player was not healthy for a large chunk of the year as well.

Posted by: | July 10, 2008 2:26 PM "

I guess that's enough to keep you satisfied. Three seasons in a row of one and done.

BTW, the Wiz made the playoffs because of their starters, not because of the 2nd team. And, there was much parity in the East.

Only 3 teams in the East had good enough records to have made the cut if they were in the West. Two teams in the East that made it to the playoffs were below .500.

I guess McGee is the new 0, according to ESPN.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 10, 2008 4:02 PM | Report abuse

"And you're pushing for mediocrity. I'll take hope, thank you very much.

Posted by: Johnnie Futbol | July 10, 2008 4:02 PM "

I'll take reality, thank you very much.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 10, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

What are our chances of still landing Posey? I know with all of his suitors, DC isn't exactly the most appealing team but a recent piece on the RealGM Wiretap mentioned that the Wizards are still interested.....

Posted by: david | July 10, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Rook | July 10, 2008 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Shaun Livingston?! He TORE UP his leg...teams aren't even mentioning signing him this offseason. The Clippers recently renounced his rights too but I honestly dont think he can bounce back from his injury.

Posted by: david | July 10, 2008 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Livingston.

People get excited about his height - comparing him to Magic - but people forget, even before his injury he was still a project.

For any team, signing him would just be too much of a question mark.

Posted by: Chips&Dip | July 10, 2008 4:14 PM | Report abuse

If the Wiz exceed the luxury tax for any free agents out there it should be Posey. Its laughable of how many of the so called "experts" felt that a Posey for JCN deal last year would somehow be demeaning for the Wiz. And look what happened. If the Wiz team defends as a unit (See Boston) and picks up a glue guy or two it can win a championship as long as we stay humble. These guys have been unbelievably cocky when they've done nothing substantial. Goes to coaching to some extent. Calling out LeBron among other things just don't make sense when he made it to the Finals and you can't get out of the first round. The talent is there I just question the mindset.

Posted by: Mike in the Springs | July 10, 2008 4:16 PM | Report abuse

DC Man

I don't like you.

But you have great points about Haywood. I'm totally behind you on that one.

Posted by: Chris | July 10, 2008 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for your diagnosis on Livingston's injury, Dr. David.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 10, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse

"DC Man

I don't like you.

But you have great points about Haywood. I'm totally behind you on that one.

Posted by: Chris | July 10, 2008 4:17 PM "

I don't like you either.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 10, 2008 4:22 PM | Report abuse

OK DC Man88, apparently the Wizards have done everything in this offseason that you wouldn't do. But I have some questions:

As someone who "prefers reality" what do you believe is the best the Wizards can do this year, and in the coming few years?

And what would they have to accomplish in order for you to admit the signing of arenas and jamison was a good decision?

Posted by: Johnnie Futbol | July 10, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse

"but people forget, even before his injury he was still a project."

Exactly. And whatever progress he'd made may well have been eroded by the long layoff. A non-guaranteed, minimum deal until he proves he's back would be okay, but any team that commits significant money or years to him is rolling some huge dice.

Posted by: kalorama | July 10, 2008 4:26 PM | Report abuse

"OK DC Man88, apparently the Wizards have done everything in this offseason that you wouldn't do. But I have some questions:

As someone who "prefers reality" what do you believe is the best the Wizards can do this year, and in the coming few years?

And what would they have to accomplish in order for you to admit the signing of arenas and jamison was a good decision?

Posted by: Johnnie Futbol | July 10, 2008 4:24 PM "

Sorry dude, but I don't want to beat a dead horse.

AJ is signed, and Gilby will be too. I haven't spoken about their contract situations since last week.

I just think it's a weak attempt by EG to do something to improve the team by using the partial MLE to sign a nobody like Dee Brown pt. 2.

Teams that don't want to be one and done or perennial playoff losers are making moves to improve their team, not stick to status quo.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 10, 2008 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Good luck to Roger Mason Jr! A real pro and a good person. It was nice that he was here to give us a spark off the bench.

Posted by: Sean | July 10, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Teams that don't want to be one and done or perennial playoff losers are making moves to improve their team, not stick to status quo.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 10, 2008 4:35 PM

And I guarantee not all of them - in fact most of them - will be successful, and would be willing to bet that none of them will be winning the title next year (of the teams that made serious moves).

Posted by: psps23 | July 10, 2008 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Rook, what's more impressive with Brendan is that his improvement happened in a non contractual year.

Dave, you mentioned the team needs a shooter. JJ Reddick seems to be available to be taken out from the Magic's roster.

Okay, I have to hide before I gets hit by the ant- Dukees here.

Posted by: Roy | July 10, 2008 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Care to wager $7,000 DC Man?

Posted by: Anonymous | July 10, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Care to wager $7,000 DC Man?

Posted by: | July 10, 2008 4:54 PM

Sure. Give me your info.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 10, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Rook, what's more impressive with Brendan is that his improvement happened in a non contractual year.

Posted by: Roy | July 10, 2008 4:53 PM

I'm not so sure I said Brendan improved last year. I know he got more minutes... but all the stats I've looked at show that he's remarkably consistent.

Look at his per 40 minute stats:
ppg/40 this year are 15.2, only slightly higher than the previous 4 years.

rpg/40 was at 10.4, almost exactly what he averaged the last 4 years.

Same with his assists and blocks.

The only noticable improvement was in his Free Throw shooting, where he made a MAJOR improvement; and in his Player Efficiency Rating, which went up slightly to 18.4 (the average NBA PER is 15)

He did get more minutes this year, but his production stayed about the same.

I don't think Haywood's value can be properly measured with Offensive statistics. The Wizards need his shot blocking and more importantly shot "changing" abilities. He's a very good one-on-one defender and a pretty good help defender. (except on the Pick and Roll).

The Wizards defensive scheme does not help. With a shot blocker, in the middle, a good defensive team will usually play up on their man, and funnel any drives to the shot blocker.

The Wizards, on the other hand, tend to allow their guards and wing players to double down on interior players - thus allowing wide open perimeter shots.

I'm hoping that the Wizards change their "protect the paint" scheme this year to "protect the perimeter" - and trust Haywood, Blatche Thomas and Company to handle their own man.

Posted by: Rook | July 10, 2008 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Another interesting discussion. With the possible exception of DC Man88, it seems like everyone is agreed that we've got a pretty good starting five. The question is, how will the young players we've brought in develop? Can they contribute more in the upcoming season than the last one? To me, that's a much bigger factor than whether we bring in another SF -- not that I'd mind it if we did. For what it's worth, I agree with those who like the Dee Brown signing -- seems to me a speedy young point guard who can run the break is perfect for the type of team that's being built.

Posted by: walter | July 10, 2008 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Walter - absolutely ...

The key to this year is whether key players can stay healthy, AND if the bench can contribute significant minutes and production. When healthy, the starting 5 can compete with anyone in the League.

If the Wizard's bench (Daniels, Young, Blatche, Thomas, Songaila) can consistently out-play the other team's bench - the Wiz will be in really good shape.

The problem is that the two scorers on the bench are both young guys - Blatche and Young. AND, there's no steady veteran presence to bring in to spell Butler.

If Ernie can get a solid veteran SF that can score a little, and defend a little (even if it's only 15-18 minutes a night), the team will be looking good.

Posted by: Rook | July 10, 2008 5:41 PM | Report abuse

I dunno what EG has in store for that 3 spot, but if he doesn't make a move that speaks alot to what he expects from Mcguire this year.

DC Man 88:

I know you're one of those "I hate everything my team does" fans, but I think we all realize this is a really good team. They just gotta stay healthy.

I think the loyalty that ownership is showing to it's players is kinda unheard of these days, and I get the feeling it will pay off. I think guys know they're going to be here for a while so they'll do their best to get in shape, get better, and go after a ring.

I think "Gilby" is gonna make you eat your words this year. I know if I had just had these frustrating injuries and my team still stuck by me and offered me $111 million, I'd do everything I could to take them to the top. But, we shall see.

Posted by: Gtown87 | July 10, 2008 6:20 PM | Report abuse

***Check that, offered me $127 mill***

Posted by: Gtown87 | July 10, 2008 6:22 PM | Report abuse

Anyone who thinks that the Wizards just spent their MLE on Dee Brown is insane.

Posted by: kebzach | July 10, 2008 7:49 PM | Report abuse

Well, after reading about Brand (and hearing his interview this afternoon on the radio) I'm so happy we didnt try to get him and kept Gilbert, who we should have. Gilbert kept his word, said this organization was a good program, didnt go back on his word regarding the Antawn situation. And I have heard him say more than once, that the Wizards took a chance on him when he was a young 20-21yr old and now he's staying with us. (That it really wasnt a hard decision.) Elton Brand texts his teammates giving them a pep talk for the new upcoming season, and leads Byron Davis on, then bolts. Give me Gil any day!! (on the radio Elton's agent was talking about money for his family and all this stuff too and how they felt this and that).

Posted by: washingtonian | July 10, 2008 7:55 PM | Report abuse

also, as stated, we would have had to give up both Antwan and Gilbert for E. Brand - no thanks.

Posted by: washingtonian | July 10, 2008 7:58 PM | Report abuse

kinda looks like Brand pulled a Boozer on the Clippers. kinda makes you wonder, Brand and Boozer pulling the same stunt.. it's as if they went to the same incredibly lame preppy college or something.

Posted by: satch | July 10, 2008 8:29 PM | Report abuse

"it's as if they went to the same incredibly lame preppy college or something".

forgot about that - Duke! but on the radio they even asked him about the situation with Baron Davis and his attitude was more like "gotta do what ya gotta do"

Posted by: washingtonian | July 10, 2008 8:58 PM | Report abuse

forgot about that - Duke! but on the radio they even asked him about the situation with Baron Davis and his attitude was more like "gotta do what ya gotta do"


Posted by: washingtonian | July 10, 2008 8:58 PM
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Apparently even if it means lying to your ex-teammates and ex-coach. Even if it means not holding up your end of a bargain.

Forget "Impossible is Nothing" - or "I love this game"

Brand's new slogans for the NBA are:
"Loyalty is nothing."
and "I love this money."

Posted by: Rook | July 10, 2008 9:06 PM | Report abuse

well, apparently, he, Brand, felt like they low balled him or something (The Clippers). He spoke very highly of the golden state offer. He seemed excited about the 76'rs and said he didnt mind playing in Phili versus L.A. because he's from the east coast and the weather doesnt bother him.

Posted by: washingtontian | July 10, 2008 9:13 PM | Report abuse

Is it your impression that this is the last move of the offseason? Or do you think that the Wizards plan on making moves this offseason, or even during the season? Do you get the impression that the Wizards are satisfied with their roster after adding Dee Brown?

Posted by: Emmet | July 10, 2008 9:59 PM | Report abuse

LMAO!

Why are people getting on Brand b/c he exercised his right to opt out and decided to sign with another team?

It's nowhere near what Boozer did to Cleveland.

Boozer asked Cleveland to release him from his contract early where he supposedly said he would then resign with them for a predetermined dollar value/term. Once his contract was changed with the last year eliminated, he became a restricted free agent.

Boozer then proceeded to sign a contract with Utah for more than what he supposedly agreed to with Cleveland, and Cleveland could not match it because they would have gone over the cap.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 10, 2008 10:20 PM | Report abuse

I do nothing but piss and moan about every move the Wiz make or don't make and hate our best player, yet I still invest several hours every day posting on the Wiz blog.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 10, 2008 10:21 PM | Report abuse

" Gilbert kept his word, said this organization was a good program, didnt go back on his word regarding the Antawn situation. And I have heard him say more than once, that the Wizards took a chance on him when he was a young 20-21yr old and now he's staying with us. (That it really wasnt a hard decision.) Elton Brand texts his teammates giving them a pep talk for the new upcoming season, and leads Byron Davis on, then bolts. Give me Gil any day!! (on the radio Elton's agent was talking about money for his family and all this stuff too and how they felt this and that).

Posted by: washingtonian | July 10, 2008 7:55 PM "

Get over yourself.

If a franchise offered you the max allowable contract, that's a no brainer. It's not about word or not. It's all about money.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 10, 2008 10:23 PM | Report abuse

"I do nothing but piss and moan about every move the Wiz make or don't make and hate our best player, yet I still invest several hours every day posting on the Wiz blog.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 10, 2008 10:21 PM "

LMAO!

I'm accused of being on this blog 24/7, but as soon as I get online and make a post, some idiot makes a blog input using my name right after I post because they were offended/hurt by what I had to say. Talk about lurking and waiting.

It's almost as funny as kalorama noting that I made a post 3 hours after a blog topic was started.

People say I'm on Gilby's case....these very same people need to stop obsessing over what I have to say!

So funny!

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 10, 2008 10:26 PM | Report abuse

"DC Man 88:

I know you're one of those "I hate everything my team does" fans, but I think we all realize this is a really good team. They just gotta stay healthy.

I think the loyalty that ownership is showing to it's players is kinda unheard of these days, and I get the feeling it will pay off. I think guys know they're going to be here for a while so they'll do their best to get in shape, get better, and go after a ring.

I think "Gilby" is gonna make you eat your words this year. I know if I had just had these frustrating injuries and my team still stuck by me and offered me $111 million, I'd do everything I could to take them to the top. But, we shall see.

Posted by: Gtown87 | July 10, 2008 6:20 PM "

Ummm, that be you...and you not be a typical spoiled professional ATHALETE (as pronounced by JT2).

Gilby has nothing to prove anymore. He got his fat max money contract and is now content. I still can't figure out why he still calls himself "Agent 0" when he's already thrown himself his coming out party and now has his max contract. What is he griping about now?

In any regard, management/ownership is content with status quo. They think this team is good just enough to be contention, just enough to keep the natives quiet, and if the rug gets pulled, then they'll just chalk it up to "freak injuries" as the excuse.

"Hey, we paid them their money and things didn't work out, but we're still in the black b/c we can collect the lux tax welfare."

This team is content with status quo....not doing everything it can to win a championship.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 10, 2008 10:32 PM | Report abuse

"And I guarantee not all of them - in fact most of them - will be successful, and would be willing to bet that none of them will be winning the title next year (of the teams that made serious moves).

Posted by: psps23 | July 10, 2008 4:52 PM "

A lot of times, it's not just about winning, but proving that you are an aggressive franchise doing whatever it takes to try to get there.

-------------------------------------------

On a larger scale, Jordan wants to win now. Like any coach who signed a two-year extension with a team option for the third year last summer, the continuity line gets old.

"But I understand Mr. Pollin's standpoint," Jordan said. "We want to stay within a certain budget for the Washington Wizards. We're not going to be like four or five or six other teams that can do anything it takes to win. Those are decisions we made within the organization. It doesn't bother me. There are times when you say, 'How come we can't get this guy?' But then you say, 'These are the parameters the organization has set.' "

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/02/16/AR2007021602210.html

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 10, 2008 10:37 PM | Report abuse

You guys better stop accusing me of living on this blog all day. Those posts at 1245am, 135am, 203am, 0819am, 0905am, 1017am, 1214pm, 1232pm, 1233pm, 120pm, 218pm, 353pm, 402pm, 404pm, 422pm, 435pm, 501pm, 1020pm, 1023pm, and 1026pm were totally not me. All imposters I tell ya!

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 10, 2008 10:41 PM | Report abuse

greasy nads

Posted by: Anonymous | July 10, 2008 11:19 PM | Report abuse

Why are people getting on Brand b/c he exercised his right to opt out and decided to sign with another team?

It's nowhere near what Boozer did to Cleveland.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 10, 2008 10:26 PM


it's actually pretty similar. Brand opted out on the pretext that he intended to give the Clippers more flexibility to sign another big player -- and specifically encouraged management to go after Baron Davis. once they got Davis, Brand turned tail. not quite as slimy as what Boozer did, but pretty close.

would the Clippers have gone after Davis so badly if they'd known that Brand intended to bail? would they have been happy to bind themselves to Davis' contract if they'd known they would have to fill the void created by Brand's exit? probably not. and this after paying Brand millions to sit on the sidelines, perennially injured. I know he worked hard for a losing team for years, but even so, you can't do your team and your fans like that.

Posted by: satch | July 10, 2008 11:22 PM | Report abuse

Here's Gilby talking out of his @ss once again.....

""I'll score, say, 35 in 20 minutes," he said. "It's a real rivalry. It's going to be a serious game -- both teams don't like each other.""

I'm sure the Wiz brass is sleeping well knowing that their max money investment is in a foreign country representing well and won't be touching a basketball till August.

The strange thing is that he somehow attributes touching a basketball with his latest injury, but in reality, it was his idiotic parachute running and biking, against doctors and trainers orders, that exacerbated the injury.

"That's because the three-time All-Star's knee ached as he tried a hasty comeback from a second operation in November, which ended his season midway through the first-round loss to the Cleveland Cavaliers.

"I don't want to touch a basketball until August," Arenas said. "After the last two seasons, I never really had time to recover. My knee is about 95 percent -- it's got to get stronger.""

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3480557

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 10, 2008 11:27 PM | Report abuse

"it's actually pretty similar. Brand opted out on the pretext that he intended to give the Clippers more flexibility to sign another big player -- and specifically encouraged management to go after Baron Davis. once they got Davis, Brand turned tail. not quite as slimy as what Boozer did, but pretty close.

would the Clippers have gone after Davis so badly if they'd known that Brand intended to bail? would they have been happy to bind themselves to Davis' contract if they'd known they would have to fill the void created by Brand's exit? probably not. and this after paying Brand millions to sit on the sidelines, perennially injured. I know he worked hard for a losing team for years, but even so, you can't do your team and your fans like that.

Posted by: satch | July 10, 2008 11:22 PM "

Huh?

You're clearly not paying attention.

Brand exercised his right as outlined in his contract and opted out.

You think the Clips got screwed? Do you think Baron Davis would have signed with the Clips had he known that Brand would leave?

Clips actually ended up with at least Baron on the roster now. Otherwise, both Brand and Maggette would have walked and the Clips would have been left with Kaman as their only marketable player.

Boozer's contract was still in effect and Cleveland removed one year from his contractual obligation based on his promise that he would resign, and thus became a restricted free agent. He signed all right, with another team.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 10, 2008 11:42 PM | Report abuse

Clips actually ended up with at least Baron on the roster now. Otherwise, both Brand and Maggette would have walked and the Clips would have been left with Kaman as their only marketable player.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 10, 2008 11:42 PM


right, and a lot of good having Davis does them. a bloated, extended contract for an older player with a history of injuries who has no incentive to play and nowhere to go but down. the Clippers went from expecting Brand would reward them for their efforts to keep him happy, to being dead sure that they'll be high in the lottery at the end of next season. also, what makes you think that they would've parted so easily with Maggette if they'd known Brand was up to something? seriously, would the Clippers let Maggette go if they'd known Brand intended to bail? not likely.

you're right, the Boozer and Brand scenarios are very different. Boozer screwed Utah, but they had the pieces to regroup. Brand has actually ruined an entire season for his previous club, before the season's even begun.

Posted by: satch | July 11, 2008 12:04 AM | Report abuse

"right, and a lot of good having Davis does them. a bloated, extended contract for an older player with a history of injuries who has no incentive to play and nowhere to go but down. the Clippers went from expecting Brand would reward them for their efforts to keep him happy, to being dead sure that they'll be high in the lottery at the end of next season. also, what makes you think that they would've parted so easily with Maggette if they'd known Brand was up to something? seriously, would the Clippers let Maggette go if they'd known Brand intended to bail? not likely.

you're right, the Boozer and Brand scenarios are very different. Boozer screwed Utah, but they had the pieces to regroup. Brand has actually ruined an entire season for his previous club, before the season's even begun.

Posted by: satch | July 11, 2008 12:04 AM "

Puhleaze....

Yeah, if Davis was so overly expensive, older, history of injuries, etc., that's exactly why he was a coveted free agent.

BTW, the clips don't have a "ruined season." They were a lottery team last season, and if they remain a lottery team, no big whoop.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 11, 2008 12:11 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, if Davis was so overly expensive, older, history of injuries, etc., that's exactly why he was a coveted free agent.

BTW, the clips don't have a "ruined season." They were a lottery team last season, and if they remain a lottery team, no big whoop.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 11, 2008 12:11 AM

I don't think that you completely understand: the acquisition of Davis only made sense with Brand in the mix. and while it's true things won't be much different next season for the Clippers, Brand's departure (and particularly, the way that he departed) is a big deal for their franchise. either you're rebuilding or you're assembling a veteran cast. you don't rebuild a team around old, overpriced talent, but that's what they're left with. Brand screwed the Clippers, badly.

Posted by: satch | July 11, 2008 12:21 AM | Report abuse

They were a lottery team last season, and if they remain a lottery team, no big whoop.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 11, 2008 12:11 AM
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Yeah - tell that to a LA Clippers fan. They were expecting to get Baron Davis and Elton Brand - and compete in the Western Conference and go deep in the Playoffs....

After all, Brand told the Clips he was opting out so they would have more "flexibility" to sign other players. He was "estatic" when the Clippers made the offer to Davis. He was texting his teammates and coach that he was excited about coming back with Davis on the team.

Then, all of a sudden, BAM - Brand signs a contract with Philly for a couple of Million dollars more than the Clippers offer.

Now, the Clips will be hoping for a good ping pong ball, and Baron Davis will lose ANOTHER season in his attempt to get to the Championship.

"Loyalty is nothing"... "I love this Money"

Posted by: Rook | July 11, 2008 12:26 AM | Report abuse

The fact that I'm even thinking about saying this makes me queasy, but DC Man has a (limited) point. Once Brand opted out, he was free to sign wherever he wanted. He was under no obligation to stay with the Clippers. in fact, at least some of the reports of his deciding to opt out noted that the decision took the Clippers by surprise, indicating there was no prior arrangement between them. That being the case, Brand had no obligation to re-sign. (And even if there had been a prior arrangement, it would have been forbidden by NBA rules, so the Clippers would be in no position to hold Brand to it.)

As for Davis ... If the Clippers signed him hoping it would entice Brand to stay around, then that was a gamble on their part that didn't pay off. Now they're stuck with him. The Clippers are definitely screwed, but it can't all be laid at Brand's feet.

I fully expect Davis (and maybe Kaman) to get traded before the deadline, either for expiring contracts or a collection of young talent with cheaper contracts that they can turn around and deal.

Posted by: kalorama | July 11, 2008 12:31 AM | Report abuse

"Yeah - tell that to a LA Clippers fan. They were expecting to get Baron Davis and Elton Brand - and compete in the Western Conference and go deep in the Playoffs....

After all, Brand told the Clips he was opting out so they would have more "flexibility" to sign other players. He was "estatic" when the Clippers made the offer to Davis. He was texting his teammates and coach that he was excited about coming back with Davis on the team.

Then, all of a sudden, BAM - Brand signs a contract with Philly for a couple of Million dollars more than the Clippers offer.

Now, the Clips will be hoping for a good ping pong ball, and Baron Davis will lose ANOTHER season in his attempt to get to the Championship.

"Loyalty is nothing"... "I love this Money"

Posted by: Rook | July 11, 2008 12:26 AM "

I would tell them if they existed.

Is Billy Crystal still alive?

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 11, 2008 12:33 AM | Report abuse

Interesting to read some of the posts on the Clippers blog.

LA Times reported:

"Whenever they made an offer, Falk would take it back to the 76ers."

"at the end, agent David Falk stopped returning their calls."

"Whether the imperious Falk ...did this for revenge or just because it felt good is a mystery. He did once vow to get the Clippers for not taking his client, Mike Bibby, with the No. 1 pick in the 1998 draft"

"How it got to that point is a mystery. Brand had helped talk Baron Davis into signing with the Clippers, saying he would take less money to make it happen.
"

http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-heisler9-2008jul09,0,1486527.column

As reported by ESPN:

"When it came down to it, Brand did what all NBA players do come contract time. He got selfish. And Clippers fans feel betrayed. "

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=adande_ja&page=Brand-Clippers-080709

From Mike Dunleavy
"After I supposedly gave him a take-it-or-leave-it offer, we raised the offer to $75 million and $81 million. They can spin this thing any way they want to try and spin it. The bottom line is, anything Elton ever wanted I did it for him. They stopped having communication with us more than a week ago. "I can show text messages to Falk and all those things, (that we) made a verbal deal. You don't have to keep a verbal deal. It's not binding. You can say, 'You know what? I changed my mind I want to go to the East Coast because my wife's family is there. Or it's easier to make the playoffs. Or I can be an All-Star in the East as opposed to the West.' But just say it: We had a verbal deal and I just changed my mind."

Other quotes: "Others in the Clippers organization, including some of Brand's former teammates, believed a deal had been locked in place with him, especially after a verbal agreement was reached with free-agent point guard Baron Davis. Brand had text messaged teammates that he was excited about the prospects of the team, according to NBA sources who requested anonymity because they are not authorized to talk about player movements."

Posted by: Rook | July 11, 2008 12:40 AM | Report abuse

Once Brand opted out, he was free to sign wherever he wanted. He was under no obligation to stay with the Clippers.

Posted by: kalorama | July 11, 2008 12:31 AM

never confuse contract with ethics. the point is that Brand mislead the Clippers organization, and in doing so convinced them to make decisions that will handcuff them for at least the rest of next season and probably beyond.

nobody disputes that Brand could, by opting out, leave for another team. the problem is that he told the Clippers management that he didn't intend to do so, and he actually encouraged them, based on that same pretext, to make what now appear to be some very costly decisions. the very fact that the Clippers made the moves they did indicates that Brand did actually mislead them. the Clippers wouldn't go after a contract like Davis' unless they had a reasonable expectation that Brand would stay. my guess is that Brand really did intend to stay, originally at least - and then, as some of the media reports suggest, his agent Falk convinced him to make the switch.

Posted by: satch | July 11, 2008 12:44 AM | Report abuse

"Posted by: Rook | July 11, 2008 12:40 AM"

Who caeeehhhssss?

The NBA is a dirty business.

How else did Sebastian Telfair get drafted so high? What about those AAU leagues?

Abe tried to play that game with Juwan and looked what happened.

Abe is lucky he got a mulligan from Stern.

Knowing Falk is Brand's agent, that's reason enough that he would never have signed with the Wiz.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 11, 2008 12:49 AM | Report abuse

"never confuse contract with ethics. the point is that Brand mislead the Clippers organization, and in doing so convinced them to make decisions that will handcuff them for at least the rest of next season and probably beyond.

nobody disputes that Brand could, by opting out, leave for another team. the problem is that he told the Clippers management that he didn't intend to do so, and he actually encouraged them, based on that same pretext, to make what now appear to be some very costly decisions. the very fact that the Clippers made the moves they did indicates that Brand did actually mislead them. the Clippers wouldn't go after a contract like Davis' unless they had a reasonable expectation that Brand would stay. my guess is that Brand really did intend to stay, originally at least - and then, as some of the media reports suggest, his agent Falk convinced him to make the switch.

Posted by: satch | July 11, 2008 12:44 AM "

Ethics?
You talking to me about Ethics in the NBA? C'mon mannnnn!!!!!!! (borrowed from AI and modified)

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 11, 2008 12:53 AM | Report abuse

"never confuse contract with ethics. the point is that Brand mislead the Clippers organization, and in doing so convinced them to make decisions that will handcuff them for at least the rest of next season and probably beyond."

It was a contract negotiation. A business. And in business, deals are contingent on both sides agreeing to terms. If he didn't like the deal the Clippers put on the table he was under no obligation, legally, morally, or ethically, to sign a contract that he didn't think worked in his favor.

"the problem is that he told the Clippers management that he didn't intend to do so, and he actually encouraged them, based on that same pretext, to make what now appear to be some very costly decisions. the very fact that the Clippers made the moves they did indicates that Brand did actually mislead them."

It does no such thing. They signed Davis with the belief that it would be an enticement for Brand to stay. That was their decision, not his. If they were so sure, based on Brand's supposedly "misleading" statements, that he was going to stay, why didn't they sign Brand first and then use that much spoken of flexibility to go after Davis or another FA? They went after Davis first because they knew they had more leverage to get him to sign quickly and were hoping that signing him would strengthen their bargaining position with Brand. An odd thing to do if they already believed Brand was on board.

"my guess is that Brand really did intend to stay, originally at least - and then, as some of the media reports suggest, his agent Falk convinced him to make the switch."

That's not much of a guess, since Brand himself has said that his original intention was to stay. He's also said he decided to leave after negotiations with the Clippers broke down and went sour. Guess what? It happens. There's nothing sinister or malevolent about it. It's just the way multimillion dollar business deals go sometimes.

Posted by: kalorama | July 11, 2008 12:57 AM | Report abuse

Ethics?
You talking to me about Ethics in the NBA? C'mon mannnnn!!!!!!! (borrowed from AI and modified)

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 11, 2008 12:53 AM

well, the only reason it's newsworthy is because by and large, nba players *are* ethical, and despite the contractual wranglings, they are loyal to their teams and their fans. it's no surprise that there are some slimy characters in the game, but Elton Brand?

don't get me wrong, I hate Duke with a passion -- but really? Brand? this has been his Jekyll and Hyde moment. I wouldn't have predicted it in a million years.

Posted by: satch | July 11, 2008 1:02 AM | Report abuse

If they were so sure, based on Brand's supposedly "misleading" statements, that he was going to stay, why didn't they sign Brand first and then use that much spoken of flexibility to go after Davis or another FA?

Posted by: kalorama | July 11, 2008 12:57 AM


you miss the point: they couldn't sign Brand first, because Brand himself had represented that they needed Davis first. so they did just what they could do, they signed Davis. again, Brand represented to the Clippers that he would stay if they signed Davis. maybe his departure means that it's a cold, cruel world in the nba. but on the most elemental of levels, it also means that Brand is a fraud.

Posted by: satch | July 11, 2008 1:07 AM | Report abuse

"well, the only reason it's newsworthy is because by and large, nba players *are* ethical, and despite the contractual wranglings, they are loyal to their teams and their fans. it's no surprise that there are some slimy characters in the game, but Elton Brand?

don't get me wrong, I hate Duke with a passion -- but really? Brand? this has been his Jekyll and Hyde moment. I wouldn't have predicted it in a million years.

Posted by: satch | July 11, 2008 1:02 AM "

Brand took the advice of his counsel and moved forward. Nothing legally improper occured. It's time for the Clips to move on with life and look forward to who's coming out next lottery.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 11, 2008 1:11 AM | Report abuse

It's F***ed up what brand did, if I was Baron I'd be pissed.

But hey, it's the clippers, not my team so I could care less.

And they're probably gonna chase Josh Smith down now anyway.

Posted by: Gtown87 | July 11, 2008 1:22 AM | Report abuse

"you miss the point: they couldn't sign Brand first, because Brand himself had represented that they needed Davis first. "

You don't know that. That's speculation on your part. Neither you nor anyone else who wasn't in the room knows what was said between Brand and the Clippers' management. All we do know is that Brand was reported to have said that he would be willing to sign a relatively smaller contract than the max to allow the Clippers to add other parts. That's a pretty broad statement with numerous interpretations and outcomes. If anything more specific than that was said (or names were mentioned), we don't know it.

Posted by: kalorama | July 11, 2008 1:24 AM | Report abuse

Love the Duke ethics connections (Brand, Boozer)... Let's see what Luol Deng does...

Hey, after all, Nixon got his law degree there!

Posted by: khrabb | July 11, 2008 3:57 AM | Report abuse

If the Clipps really wanted to lock up Brand, why didnt they offer him the max deal they could right from the start? The Clipps were obviously not 100% committed to Brand or they would have done so. They made their own bed. I mean, the Wiz had basically the same situation with GA; he said all along his intention was to stay, told them they needed to sign AJ, was thrilled when they did...and yet the Wiz knew they still needed to offer the max. And the owner got involved personally. That is commitment. And that is not what the Clipps did. So I feel no empathy for the Clipps. To quote Blutowski from Animal House: "Hey, you f*cked up."

Posted by: oddjob | July 11, 2008 5:34 AM | Report abuse

Jarvis is going to NJ for $2M a year for 2yrs. Why didnt Ernie try to get him back? If I remember correctly his perimeter defensive skills and 3 point shot would be welcome off the bench and would now be a pretty good back-up for CB on this team. Plus the Wiz could afford to sign Javis without going over the cap.

Posted by: oddjob | July 11, 2008 7:14 AM | Report abuse

Jarvis Hayes = Le Brick.

That is why the Pistons let him walk. Why would we want him back when he did the same thing here. Great guy but not what the Wiz needs at this time.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 11, 2008 7:30 AM | Report abuse

They say it's all part of the negotiating process the reason the Clipps didn't offer Brand top dollar at first. I say it's also the negotiating process when another team show more intrest than your present employer, you go. The Clipps took a chance and lost, I don't think it was a chance worth taking.

Posted by: zxhoya | July 11, 2008 8:00 AM | Report abuse

"Jarvis is going to NJ for $2M a year for 2yrs. Why didnt Ernie try to get him back?"

Because if Grunfeld thought Hayes could help the team, he wouldn't have let him leave in the first place, at least not without making him a contract offer to stay (which he didn't).

Like I said before, Hayes did his time here and that chapter is closed. Time to move on.

Posted by: kalorama | July 11, 2008 8:22 AM | Report abuse

Think how as a Wizards fan you would have felt if EG had re-signed Jamison based on GA's representation that he would re-sign here for less than the max contract to help the team be contender. The Wiz would have essentially been screwed for 3-4 years by a large contract paid to AJ which would have been a huge albatross on the franchise like Mitch Richmond's deal.

It's not all Brand's fault as he was advised by David Falk who apparently had an ax to grind with the Clippers. The fact that Brand verbally said he would re-sign after opting out if the Clips signed Davis, texted teammates about next season, and then bolted for more money in Philly raises a lot of questions about Brand's ethics. I personally lost a lot of respect for him since his 'change of heart' essentially ruined the Clippers chances of re-signing Maggette (not mentioned by anyone here) and will handicap them for years to come. Low class move IMO and makes me think more of GA for living up to his word.

Basketball is a business but the difference between making $15M a year vs. $16M a year isn't worth the hits Brand will take to his reputation.

Posted by: wizfan89 | July 11, 2008 9:54 AM | Report abuse

"Think how as a Wizards fan you would have felt if EG had re-signed Jamison based on GA's representation that he would re-sign here for less than the max contract to help the team be contender. The Wiz would have essentially been screwed for 3-4 years by a large contract paid to AJ which would have been a huge albatross on the franchise like Mitch Richmond's deal."

First of all, comparing Jamison to Richmond is ridiculous. Two completely different situations. Jamison is coming off one of the best seasons of his career and has been a franchise cornerstone for the past several years. And his re-signing was pretty much a given regardless of what Arenas did.

As for how I'd feel if Arenas left ... I root for the team to win, but my emotions don't dramatically rise and fall based on what these guys do. If Arenas left because another team offered him a better deal or a better chance to win I would neither be surprised, disappointed, or angry. Sh*t happens. Wouldn't be the first time a team I rooted for lost a key guy because of money, and it won't be the last.


Posted by: kalorama | July 11, 2008 10:12 AM | Report abuse

Anybody know if you can drink at Summer League games? Do they sell beer there, or can I bring my own in?

Posted by: CRitch | July 11, 2008 10:26 AM | Report abuse

What do ya'll think about making a run at Shaun Livingston? Out of our price range? Dude was beginning to show some promise before his latest injury.

Posted by: Mike | July 11, 2008 10:53 AM | Report abuse

Reports are that Etan Thomas will scrimmage with the summer league squad.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/features/rumors

Posted by: Rook | July 11, 2008 10:55 AM | Report abuse

The Celtics are still very much interested in retaining James Posey, but they may need to be concerned about another club offering the contract Posey is requesting, said to be at least four years at the mid-level exception.
According to his representative, Mark Bartelstein, the Celts will probably not have a chance to match the right offer.

"We're not trying to be tough here or anything, but I just don't think you can do that," Bartelstein said. "It'd be totally unfair for me to do that to the other teams that are involved in this. You can't ask them to make an offer just so you can take it back to Boston and see if they'll match it. I think that once you're a free agent, you're a free agent. You have to be fair to any team that's willing to make you an honest offer."

-- Nice to see an Agent with some ethics; or at least talking like he's got some ethics. Perhaps Brand's agent could take a few pointers.

Posted by: Rook | July 11, 2008 11:03 AM | Report abuse

"-- Nice to see an Agent with some ethics; or at least talking like he's got some ethics. Perhaps Brand's agent could take a few pointers.

Posted by: Rook | July 11, 2008 11:03 AM "

Ethics goes both ways.

I don't know how far you go back in Wiz/BouleS history, but back when Nash was the GM, he "promised" Rex Chapman an extension to a contract and then later, pretended he knew nothing about it.

Richard Justice, the beat reporter at the time, asked Chapman about it and Chapman responded by saying Nash/Abe should hope they never see him in a dark alley.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 11, 2008 11:12 AM | Report abuse

So, after next season we lose Etan's contract, and we have some of that extra Arenas money and none of our own free agents to sign. Wouldn't that be our year to make a splashier signing? Not that I don't want the team to try for Barnes or Posey, but they don't seem to really take us over the top or anything.

Posted by: RRCC | July 11, 2008 11:13 AM | Report abuse

"As for how I'd feel if Arenas left ... I root for the team to win, but my emotions don't dramatically rise and fall based on what these guys do. If Arenas left because another team offered him a better deal or a better chance to win I would neither be surprised, disappointed, or angry. Sh*t happens. Wouldn't be the first time a team I rooted for lost a key guy because of money, and it won't be the last.


Posted by: kalorama | July 11, 2008 10:12 AM "

Keep holding your breath.

Gilby hasn't signed anything yet. Things can change, and Gilby has been known to change his mind.

Maybe GS can give Gilby a call before his return flight touches down in DC.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 11, 2008 11:17 AM | Report abuse

http://www.hoopsworld.com/TheWireStory.asp?id=12422

If the Wiz could get this guy on the cheap, he's definitely worth the risk.

Posted by: Mike | July 11, 2008 11:22 AM | Report abuse

GILBERT is going to be right here so anybody out there that doesn't like it can go elsewhere.(DCMan/Girl)

Posted by: Anonymous | July 11, 2008 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Let's face it, once a player goes into free agency, it's an auction.
It's purely up to the player and/or his agent if they will skew the negotiations towards the team they WANT (not necessarily his old team) or not by informing that preferred team of the latest high bid.

It happens in real estate, where the high bid is given to the seller's agent who will sometimes (actually often) communicate this back to the other bidders. And the bids keep getting higher until one bidder is left.

Practice/precedent is what mainly guides this negotiations thing, not rules & regulations. No one is required to go back to his team, to return a call, to honor a verbal agreement, etc. Agents build up a reputation, and teams' GMs & owners have their reputation as well, which in turn determine how negotiations are conducted.
Once they sign the agreement, then is the only time it becomes a binding contract.

As fans, we end up liking or disliking players - some of that coming from how they conducted themselves during negotiations.

The way Antawn Jamison conducted himself, the way he showed loyalty, how he did not cloud up negotiations with unnecessary pronouncements, how he did not go for the max money (with similar stats to Elton Brand, many teams would have cleared cap space for him), etc just added to my high regard for him.

Now on to the summer league! Last year the Wizards webblog posted some videos of their pre-summer league camp. Hope they do the same again.

Posted by: rgz | July 11, 2008 11:43 AM | Report abuse

"Think how as a Wizards fan you would have felt if EG had re-signed Jamison based on GA's representation that he would re-sign here for less than the max contract to help the team be contender"


Yes, players can change their minds and it is a business, but where did bargaining in good faith go? The Clippers made moves based on the direct statements made by Brand that they might not have made otherwise. The Wiz would have felt betrayed a bit if they had signed AJ based on the conditions set by GA (although the Wiz probably would have signed AJ anyway).

Gone are the days when the owner of the Bucks held to a verbal agreement with Abe of trading Bobby Dandridge for $500K and then getting higher offers later.

Posted by: jjames | July 11, 2008 12:00 PM | Report abuse

I think Gil is going to sign with GS and shock the world.

Posted by: Lisa | July 11, 2008 12:09 PM | Report abuse

"Gone are the days when the owner of the Bucks held to a verbal agreement with Abe of trading Bobby Dandridge for $500K and then getting higher offers later.

Know what else is gone? The days of 10-cent pay phone calls, 25 cent cups of coffee, and $1 dollar a gallon gas. Welcome to the 21st century.

Posted by: kalorama | July 11, 2008 12:34 PM | Report abuse

"The way Antawn Jamison conducted himself, the way he showed loyalty, how he did not cloud up negotiations with unnecessary pronouncements, how he did not go for the max money (with similar stats to Elton Brand, many teams would have cleared cap space for him)"

Stats don't always equal impact. no one was going to offer Jamison a max-deal. he's a

Posted by: kalorama | July 11, 2008 12:39 PM | Report abuse

I don't know how far you go back in Wiz/BouleS history, but back when Nash was the GM, he "promised" Rex Chapman an extension to a contract and then later, pretended he knew nothing about it.

Richard Justice, the beat reporter at the time, asked Chapman about it and Chapman responded by saying Nash/Abe should hope they never see him in a dark alley.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 11, 2008 11:12 AM

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I wholeheartedly agree - Ethics go both ways.

The Wizards (John Nash / Abe Pollin) NEVER made a contract offer to Chapman... and David Falk and Chapman "pretended" that an offer was made.

Richard Justice, the beat reporter at the time, reported that Abe Pollin denied that he had been anything less than honest in his dealings with Rex Chapman and said he was disappointed that the departed guard felt otherwise.

Posted by: Rook | July 11, 2008 12:42 PM | Report abuse

I thought NJ was looking for a shooter?

Posted by: Anonymous | July 11, 2008 12:42 PM | Report abuse

I think we are going to regret not getting Beasley and Brand for a long time. mark my words.

Posted by: jose | July 11, 2008 12:44 PM | Report abuse

"Gone are the days when the owner of the Bucks held to a verbal agreement with Abe of trading Bobby Dandridge for $500K and then getting higher offers later.

Know what else is gone? The days of 10-cent pay phone calls, 25 cent cups of coffee, and $1 dollar a gallon gas. Welcome to the 21st century.

Posted by: kalorama | July 11, 2008 12:34 PM

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Also gone are the deals made with a smile and a handshake.

Gone are the days of expecting fair treatment, honest dealings, and quality products and services.

Yeah - welcome to the 21st century - but can't we wish for better?

Posted by: Anonymous | July 11, 2008 12:45 PM | Report abuse

"I wholeheartedly agree - Ethics go both ways.

The Wizards (John Nash / Abe Pollin) NEVER made a contract offer to Chapman... and David Falk and Chapman "pretended" that an offer was made.

Richard Justice, the beat reporter at the time, reported that Abe Pollin denied that he had been anything less than honest in his dealings with Rex Chapman and said he was disappointed that the departed guard felt otherwise.

Posted by: Rook | July 11, 2008 12:42 PM "

It really depends on who you believe. Neither of us were in fiberboard (vice Mahogany) row during negotiations.

I do recall Nash saying on TV that they intended to keep him, but then the tune was changed down the line, and the only person who can do that is the owner (& O'Malley at the time), and Nash took the hit for the owner.

Justice was a great beat reporter and for a player to threaten someone, it definitely seems likely that Chapman got screwed.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 11, 2008 12:46 PM | Report abuse

"Yes, players can change their minds and it is a business, but where did bargaining in good faith go? The Clippers made moves based on the direct statements made by Brand that they might not have made otherwise. The Wiz would have felt betrayed a bit if they had signed AJ based on the conditions set by GA (although the Wiz probably would have signed AJ anyway)."

The Clipps could have avoided all of this if they just would have offred Elton the money they knew it was going to take to keep him.
Just like EG did with Gil, you don't insult your best player and in most cases they know they are dealing with spoiled athletes, "prima donnas."

Posted by: zxhoya | July 11, 2008 12:50 PM | Report abuse

It really depends on who you believe. Neither of us were in fiberboard (vice Mahogany) row during negotiations.

I do recall Nash saying on TV that they intended to keep him, but then the tune was changed down the line, and the only person who can do that is the owner (& O'Malley at the time), and Nash took the hit for the owner.

Justice was a great beat reporter and for a player to threaten someone, it definitely seems likely that Chapman got screwed.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 11, 2008 12:46 PM

I was on that side of the fence, until this latest Brand stuff. Falk seems to be involved with a lot of reneged deals, broken promises, and shady dealings. Seems EVERY team has an adversion to dealing with him.

So I'm inclined now to lean towards Nash/Pollin's story.

Posted by: Rook | July 11, 2008 12:56 PM | Report abuse

"Yes, players can change their minds and it is a business, but where did bargaining in good faith go? The Clippers made moves based on the direct statements made by Brand that they might not have made otherwise. The Wiz would have felt betrayed a bit if they had signed AJ based on the conditions set by GA (although the Wiz probably would have signed AJ anyway)."

Sorry, the only religion, with regard to faith, in the NBA is the worship of the almighty dollar.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 11, 2008 12:56 PM | Report abuse

"Gone are the days when the owner of the Bucks held to a verbal agreement with Abe of trading Bobby Dandridge for $500K and then getting higher offers later.

Know what else is gone? The days of 10-cent pay phone calls, 25 cent cups of coffee, and $1 dollar a gallon gas. Welcome to the 21st century.

Posted by: kalorama | July 11, 2008 12:34 PM

Sorry, but your argument doesn't hold water. So you're saying just because we're in a different time that ethics and fair play go out the window? I think maybe that this attitude is what we see too often nowdays.

Fair play, ethics, honesty are constants and should not change at a whim like prices.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 11, 2008 12:58 PM | Report abuse

"I was on that side of the fence, until this latest Brand stuff. Falk seems to be involved with a lot of reneged deals, broken promises, and shady dealings. Seems EVERY team has an adversion to dealing with him.

So I'm inclined now to lean towards Nash/Pollin's story.

Posted by: Rook | July 11, 2008 12:56 PM "

You have to look at the end result.

Chapman ended up with nothing.

Brand walked away with a fat contract from another team.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 11, 2008 12:58 PM | Report abuse

nads

Posted by: Anonymous | July 11, 2008 1:00 PM | Report abuse

"Yes, players can change their minds and it is a business, but where did bargaining in good faith go? The Clippers made moves based on the direct statements made by Brand that they might not have made otherwise. The Wiz would have felt betrayed a bit if they had signed AJ based on the conditions set by GA (although the Wiz probably would have signed AJ anyway)."

The Clipps could have avoided all of this if they just would have offred Elton the money they knew it was going to take to keep him.

Just like EG did with Gil, you don't insult your best player and in most cases they know they are dealing with spoiled athletes, "prima donnas."


Posted by: zxhoya | July 11, 2008 12:50 PM


According to the Clips and the local papers, it didn't go down like Falk and Brand stated. So it depends who you believe. I tend to think it was a little of blame on each side, but that a lot of fault can be laid on the shoulders of Falk based on past history.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 11, 2008 1:04 PM | Report abuse

Kal - loyalty and keeping your word cuts both ways. The Wizards backed up there's by signing Jamison, which was a condition of GA re-signing with them. He kept his word and left some money on the table to help them sign another player or two.

Brand publicly stated his desire to remain with the Clippers, helped in convincing Davis to join him to make LA a contender, and then left Dunleavy & Co. out in the cold. Based on Brand's stated intentions, they never made a serious offer to retain Maggette which would have been a possibility.

Falk has screwed over many a team in the past due to his oversized ego and many NBA GM's were happy when he retired. His involvement in the Brand situation of not returning calls from the Clipper and using the GS offer as leverage to get Philly to up their offer is vintage Falk. Brand had a great reputation much like Jamision and now he's got a little more money, but at what cost? Yeah, it's a business and negotiating is a part of it, but from all I've heard, the Clippers made him a final offer that was virtually the same as Philly and he still left after making essentially a verbal commitment to the team when opting out.

Posted by: wizfan89 | July 11, 2008 1:06 PM | Report abuse

Falk calls those kind of dealings "Leverage" - (taking an offer from one team to another, claiming verbal agreements, Forcing the hand of GM's by threatening to have his OTHER clients walk unless the team signs a player)

I call it unethical.


Falk was one of the key figures in the 1995 NBA lockout - and again was behind the 1998 NBA lockout.


Kevin McHale was quoted as saying "If a nuclear bomb dropped on earth, two things would survive: roaches and David Falk."

Posted by: Rook | July 11, 2008 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Kevin McHale was quoted as saying "If a nuclear bomb dropped on earth, two things would survive: roaches and David Falk."

Great quote

Posted by: Anonymous | July 11, 2008 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Here's Gilby talking out of his @ss once again.....

""I'll score, say, 35 in 20 minutes," he said. "It's a real rivalry. It's going to be a serious game -- both teams don't like each other.""

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 10, 2008 11:27 PM

Gilbert was doing promotion work for the NBA to promote an exhibition game the Wiz will play in Europe before next season.

What is your problem anyway?

Posted by: Anonymous | July 11, 2008 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Wizfan89 and Rook - couldn't agree with you more on Falk.

Didn't Boozer walk away from a handshake agreement with the Cavs and the Cavs not exercising a clause to keep him based on the deal they thought they had?

Posted by: Anonymous | July 11, 2008 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Critics don't call David Falk "The Bird of Prey" without reason...

Meanwhile, that is quite a collection of contracts that the Clippers renounced... and I wonder if one of them may actually be worth a look by the Wizards.

I am not with the previous Poster who thinks it should be Shaun Livingston, though. For the Clippers to renouce a former number 4 overall pick who was starting to be reasonably productive and fun to watch, he must basically be doomed to be a one-legged player for the long term.

Smush Parker is, well, perhaps one day soon HE will be the one parking cars.

Dan Dickau, please, his ability to remain in the NBA as long as he has is as mysterious as, say the autheticity of the Shroud of Turin.

Boniface N'Dong played in Europe last year, and from what I saw I think he actually could help someone as a third-string Center, but not the Wizards, who now have a surfeit of 7 footers. Besides N'Dong is over 30 now, and it is doubtful he is going to get any better than mediocre.

That leaves James Singleton, who has made a pretty fair player out of himself in Europe. He may merit a look as a back-up wing to Caron Butler. Still in his mid-20s and puts out a good effort from what I have seen.

Posted by: khrabb | July 11, 2008 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Here's Gilby talking out of his @ss once again.....

The strange thing is that he somehow attributes touching a basketball with his latest injury, but in reality, it was his idiotic parachute running and biking, against doctors and trainers orders, that exacerbated the injury.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 10, 2008 11:27 PM

I believe Arenas has admitted to making a mistake with the way tried to come back from injury last year.

Unlike certain posters who can't admit to making mistakes anytime.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 11, 2008 1:32 PM | Report abuse

"Sorry, but your argument doesn't hold water. So you're saying just because we're in a different time that ethics and fair play go out the window? I think maybe that this attitude is what we see too often nowdays.

Fair play, ethics, honesty are constants and should not change at a whim like prices.

The only constant in life is change. Standards of behavior across all lines change with time. Anyone who expects that the NBA to conduct its business today, when players make tens of millions of dollars and billions of dollars of revenue are being generated, the same way they did in the 60s , when players often had to take summer jobs to pay the rent, is incredibly naive and idealistic.

Posted by: kalorama | July 11, 2008 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Ah yes, the all ighty ollar.

Posted by: Homer S. | July 11, 2008 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Reminiscing about the good (bad) old days compared to now us fans requiring(!!!) the Wiz every year to make the playoffs and for sure at least win the conference otherwise they are perennial "one and done" losers.

Have a chuckle while you read about those days, too sad for loyal fans.

http://www.truthaboutit.net/labels/lewis%20billups.html

http://www.youthlacrosseusa.com/generalnews/AbePolinPart2_070703.html

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/sports/longterm/general/mciarticles/launch/empire.htm

Posted by: rgz | July 11, 2008 2:17 PM | Report abuse

With the Celtics winning the title and Brand coming east...perhaps signal the beginning of a shift of NBA power eastward? Perhaps by 2010, when LaBron moves to the Bonx we will once again see the East Conf dominating the NBA.


Does anybody know if the Bird of Prey handle any of the Wiz players?


Posted by: oddjob | July 11, 2008 2:27 PM | Report abuse

"Sorry, but your argument doesn't hold water. So you're saying just because we're in a different time that ethics and fair play go out the window? I think maybe that this attitude is what we see too often nowdays.

Fair play, ethics, honesty are constants and should not change at a whim like prices.

The only constant in life is change. Standards of behavior across all lines change with time. Anyone who expects that the NBA to conduct its business today, when players make tens of millions of dollars and billions of dollars of revenue are being generated, the same way they did in the 60s , when players often had to take summer jobs to pay the rent, is incredibly naive and idealistic.

Posted by: kalorama | July 11, 2008 1:48 PM

You're confusing methods of doing business with ethics? Methods can change, but it doesn't negate the fact that everything should be done honestly and above board.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 11, 2008 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Mini-camp started today, you there Ivan?

Posted by: Wizzy | July 11, 2008 2:42 PM | Report abuse

You're confusing methods of doing business with ethics? Methods can change, but it doesn't negate the fact that everything should be done honestly and above board.

Posted by: | July 11, 2008 2:35 PM

Not to speak for kalorama, but I don't think anyone is advocating the avoidance of ethics in business. Quite the opposite, that's why we're even discussing it here. I think it's just being pointed out that the way business is conducted in the NBA today is a little bit different from the past and we should analyze events from that viewpoint. The rise of so called shark agents has not helped promote ethical behavior (see stories about Falk above), although it has helped tilt to the middle the "balance of power" between players and owners, along with a stronger players union.

Posted by: rgz | July 11, 2008 3:03 PM | Report abuse

"You're confusing methods of doing business with ethics? Methods can change, but it doesn't negate the fact that everything should be done honestly and above board."

You're confusing stuff you saw in a Jimmy Stewart movie with the real world.

Do you really think that two parties engaged in a high-stakes multimillion dollar negotiation don't use misdirection to gain advantage? Do you really think that parties not breaking off negotiations when disagreements or impasses over issues of money come into play constitutes an egregious moral fault or an actionable breach of ethics? No offense, but if that's how you think any big business works in the real world, you are woefully naive.

Posted by: kalorama | July 11, 2008 5:49 PM | Report abuse

Who is Dee Brown?

Posted by: D.C.'s BEST | July 12, 2008 4:18 PM | Report abuse

it think sending mason jr to spurs was bad and then getting dee brown because mason jr makes more points and dee brown makes a little bit of points and mason jr is a way better 3 point shooter then dee brown and has a better field goal percentage

Posted by: chris gardner | July 12, 2008 5:46 PM | Report abuse

first of all dcman88 i do not get you at all

Posted by: dawayne wade | July 12, 2008 5:51 PM | Report abuse

The wizards need to make a move on MATT BARNES!HE WOULD BE A GREAT BACK UP FOR CARON BUTLER. PLEASE EG AND THE WIZARDS STAFF PLEASE TAKE A LOOK AT HIM, HE FITS THE WIZARDS.

Posted by: R.Rock$$$ | July 12, 2008 8:43 PM | Report abuse

THIS IF FOR ALL YOU PEOPLE, THAT WON'T GIVE DEE BROWN A CHANCE....BEFORE YOU JUDGE A BOOK BY IT'S COVER, MAKE SURE YOU READ, WHAT'S INSIDE FIRST.

HE DIDN'T PLAY IN THE LEAGUE LAST YEAR, HE WENT OVER TO TURKEY FOR 7 MONTHS, AND IF YOU DON'T THINK HE IS A GOOD MATCH FOR THE WASHINGTON WIZARDS....YOU MUST BE CRAZY. BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT HE HAS ADDED TO HIS ARSENAL, NOR WHAT HE HAS BEEN WORKING ON AS FAR ASS HIS GAME....AND THE GUY IS SIMPLY A GYM RAT...AND HAS NEVER TAKEN A BREAK FROM BASKETBALL SINCE HE HAS LEFT TURKEY.

AND YOU BETTA BELIEVE THE SHOT HAS RETURNED, JUST WAIT TILL THE SEASON STARTS....ALL YOU CRITICS WILL HAVE A CHANGE OF HEART!!!!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | July 12, 2008 10:19 PM | Report abuse

Dee Brown when he retired his famous orange headband, he ended perhaps the finest four years in the school's history. Dee is the winningest player in Illinois history (tied with James Augustine) with 114 victories, who was his teammate all 4 years.

Dee is as good as D. Williams. WAIT AND SEE FOR YOUR SELF. also WAIT until you visit CHICAGO IF DEE PLAYS! YOU WILL THINK IT WAS A HOME GAME... AND IF HE DON'T PLAY THE CROWD WILL CHANT HIS NAME LIKE THE MOVIE RUDY..

ALSO YOU MAY WANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT J AUGUSTINE. ORLANDO MY BE UNWILLING TO HOLD ON TO HIM EVEN THOUGH THE SHOULD. DEE AND AGGIE ON THE SAME TEAM AGAIN WOULD BE AWSOME. Both are gym rats.

Posted by: parmasist | July 13, 2008 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Best to Roger Mason. He'll be missed. It's easy to root for the real good guys and Mason is one of those. A class act, a pro, a guy that shows up everyday, gives you 110%, keeps his mouth shut and puts the team before himself.
The Wizards are lucky to have quite a number of these guys. As a fan you're proud of them, proud that they represent you and your city.
Thanks to the Wizards for all the hard work.

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Posted by: carrie | July 15, 2008 5:29 AM | Report abuse

I AM THE BIGGEST DEE BROWN FAN IN THE WORLD. DCMANN KNOW UR PLACE BEFORE DEGRADING A TRUE PLAYER. U MUST BE A LONELY MAN AND PROBABLY CANT PLAY BALL THATS WHY U ARE COMIN DOWN SO HARD ON HIM. LET ME SAY THIS FOR DEE B WE LOVE HATERS. HOOW MUCH DO U GET PAID TO HATE. DEE B TALENTS WERENT RECOGNIZED WHEN HE PLAYED FOR THE JAZZ, WHICH IS KOOL. BUT HE KNOWS, I KNOW AND GOD KNOW WHAT A WONDERFUL PLAYER HE IS. SO KEEP HATING IT ONLY DRIVES DEE TO BE A BETTER BALL PLAYER

Posted by: SALEX IN ILLINOIS | July 16, 2008 12:52 PM | Report abuse

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