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Offer on the table, it's up to Arenas now

A link to my story that is running tomorrow

Notice the quote from the agent at the bottom of the story. That sounds like a pretty good read on what kind of strategy the Wizards brought to this negotiation. Someone with the team made a very similar point in an off-the-record conversation we had.

Basically, the feeling is that by offering the max and telling Arenas that he can help the team move closer to championship contention by taking less, they not only avoided lowballing him and potentially ticking him off but they also soothed his ego and made him feel loved while also allowing him to feel that he's helping the franchise.

From what I know of dealing with Arenas, it's a pretty good strategy. Then again, he's fully capable of just taking the maximum anyway. Then, owner Abe Pollin has to decide whether going over the luxury tax is an option this season and in seasons ahead if doing so is the only way to add pieces that will lead to a run at a championship.

The NBA news of the night is that Baron Davis, who opted out of the last year of his contract with Golden State, has accepted a five-year, $65 million offer from the Los Angeles Clippers. To repeat what is in this story, Gilbert all but dismissed the possibility of going to Golden State when we chatted early this morning and again around 7:30.

Everything tells me that he's going to be Wizard and I could see him taking less to make it easier for this team as Ernie Grunfeld tries to put together a championship roster. The key, I'm told by a team source, is how the contract will be structured in the last three or four years when the cap number increases along with Antawn Jamison's, whose number is $9.9 for next season and increases to $15 million by year four.

(By the way, I heard today that Philly came harder than anyone really thought. They really made a push for Antawn which was wise because Elton Brand can sign for more with the Clipps and the Hawks plan on doing whatever it takes to keep RFA Josh Smith in Atlanta. Jamison was Philly's best bet for adding a real player at the forward spot.)


A couple of things about the Gilbert offer: the sides have not yet negotiated whether he will have an opt out or whether the team will hold an option in the sixth year. Also, the sides won't know the exact figures until the new salary cap and luxury tax threshold is announced. That is why I can only confirm that the top number he can get is between $125 and $127 million over the six years.

Roger Mason Jr. is already drawing interest but I have a feeling that he won't be jumping on a deal right away. Teams, like New Jersey, will contact him to let him and his agent know they are interested and then see where he fits as they set their rosters.

It's been a long two days folks. Just know that I'm trying to get the best, most accurate information I can. More tomorrow.

By Ivan Carter  |  July 2, 2008; 12:08 AM ET
 
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I really hope Gilby does not sign. My boyfriend and I agree that he is not good for this team. Sam Cassell is a Free Agent. We should get him instead. He is a proven player and does not get injured.

Cassell/Daniels would be a reliable combo.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 2, 2008 12:28 AM | Report abuse

Good one pacman. LOL!

Posted by: Victor | July 2, 2008 12:48 AM | Report abuse

Did u just say 96 year old sam cassell wow dc man u really do hate gilbert its quite sad really nd not to be mean ur like on here all the time im new to this thing but from the recent posts ive read ur on here every day all hours of the day bashing the wiz get a damn life.

Now as for the move to resign gil good move but only if he takes less than the max he has said himself he doesnt wanna do wat KG did to the wolves so ivan is right its up to him now time to see if he is a man of his word

Posted by: GC22 | July 2, 2008 12:52 AM | Report abuse

It's like Gilbert is eating a huge feast, and eating a little less so Mason can have a couple more leftover crumbs.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 2, 2008 1:01 AM | Report abuse

thanks for all your hard work and excellent reporting, ivan

Posted by: alex | July 2, 2008 1:13 AM | Report abuse

good to have all this insider info -- as a Wizards fan, it helps me sleep easier

Posted by: Anonymous | July 2, 2008 1:31 AM | Report abuse

Thanks again Ivan!

Sounds like our boy will be back.

Posted by: Adam | July 2, 2008 1:36 AM | Report abuse

wow... DCMAN88 is crazy to say that sam cassell is a better player to sign than gilbert. Are you kidding me??? Sam is old and done. Gil can bounce back from injuries just like baron did a couple of years ago. We need Gil back and we just need abe pollin to open up his check book and make a bid for elton brand. This move will make the wizards an instant title contender!!!!!!

Posted by: wizfan | July 2, 2008 1:38 AM | Report abuse

So Arenas is worth about 50% more than Baron Davis? No. And that's some negotiating strategy. Offer the max and hope for mercy. No wonder Pollin has driven this franchise into terminal mediocrity.

Posted by: bjk | July 2, 2008 1:38 AM | Report abuse


thanks for all your hard work and excellent reporting, ivan

Posted by: alex | July 2, 2008 1:13 AM

2nd that....thanks for the reports in the past few days man props for giving us up to date info. I am glad it's looking like he is going to sing.

and as far as ....

"Cassell/Daniels would be a reliable combo."

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 2, 2008 12:28 AM

DONT FEED THE TROLLS FOLKS...THEY BITE AND THEY WONT STOP BI**HING

Posted by: Johansen | July 2, 2008 1:42 AM | Report abuse

We are doomed to watching what they want us to believe is good basketball? They are at 51 million now that they have signed Jamison. Resign Roger Jr. and the rookie and with the money left over you can find a free agent role player for a year. They need a true point guard to get them to the next level. If Gil resigns they are doomed to play the same type of basketball shoot, shoot, shoot, turnover, foul, cry, shoot, shoot, turnover, shoot and end with a 7 for 22 5 for 7 1 three 4 assists 2 rebounds 1 steal and 3 turnovers take off game shirt throw it into the crowd and before I forget no defense. All this for 125 million? Gil are you going to play some d, pass the ball, and learn from what you watched last year?

Posted by: Bullets fan 78 | July 2, 2008 2:08 AM | Report abuse

Thanks Ivan, we really appreciate you staying up late to update what is essentially aside project.

For Bullets fan 78, I hardly think a "true point guard" would get them to the next level. They HAVE a true point guard in AD, and he performs admirably well inside the system. What they need is a perimeter defender/inside toughness. After looking at the team/league stats on rebounds, it looks like the Wiz actually have a positive ratio in terms of their rebounds vs. opponents. I'll admit, though, that I haven't watched too many games, and I know stats can sometimes be misleading. I still can't believe the Wiz passed on Chalmers. He is one player that could really have helped this team out. Oh, and if ANY player has to go, it would be DeShawn. That guy is just awful. He gets streaky for about 2 games, and all of a sudden he thinks he can outplay Lebron?

Posted by: babbtong | July 2, 2008 2:19 AM | Report abuse

Thanks Ivan!

Posted by: Darnell | July 2, 2008 2:39 AM | Report abuse

I hope Arenas realizes that the more he reduces his salary below the maximum, the greater the odds that he'll be able to play longer in the post-season. And with increased post-season exposure should come increased non-salary earnings.

Then again, if he has a dearth of confidence about being able to take a team deep into the playoffs and doesn't think he can count on any extra exposure-generated earnings, it could make more sense to max out his guaranteed individual earnings and store all the liquid cash with the dry goods and other leftover Y2K provisions in his own tricked-out panic room.

Posted by: Buffalo Dele | July 2, 2008 3:08 AM | Report abuse

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WHOS WITH ME

Posted by: a guy who thinks ivan should get a raise | July 2, 2008 3:26 AM | Report abuse

That is almost $175M in about two days between Gil and AJ. Anybody still want to call Abe cheap? He's no Mark Cuban, but that's a lot of jack.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 2, 2008 3:47 AM | Report abuse

Yes I think Ivan deserves a raise too!

The last couple of days have been a three-ring circus.

Whatever amount of money Gilbert chooses, the intertwined story of

(a) The max money offer and the moral strings attached to it,

(b) The aged team owner's stubborn quest for a last earthly triumph,

(c) the intrepid captain's promise to help raise the trophy before he retires... and the side plot of:

(d) the new young man who claims he receievd a basketball when he emerged from his mother's womb...

is at least worthy of O Henry. If we win the NBA on your watch, Ivan, you get to be Homer... If we lose, more like Homer Simpson :-)

Posted by: khrabb | July 2, 2008 4:29 AM | Report abuse

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WHOS WITH ME

Posted by: billy | July 2, 2008 5:18 AM | Report abuse

I don't know squat about Basketball, but Ivan does deserve a raise.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 2, 2008 5:20 AM | Report abuse

Ivan Carter definetely deserves a huge Raise in his pay!

Posted by: Russ Thaler | July 2, 2008 5:31 AM | Report abuse

ivan carter deserves a boost in his salary with every post after 11pm and before 6am.

Posted by: CreditZard | July 2, 2008 5:36 AM | Report abuse

$126 million for six years for a guy coming off multiple knee surgeries? Good luck with that investment. Gilbert is not the type of person to give money back either. He is a me-first type guy. He will take it all.

Anybody not named Kobe, Lebron, and Garnett should not be average $20 mill a year, especially someone coming off multiple knee surgeries.

Wiz = Championshipless for at least the next six years. Not to say that the Dubs will be anywhere near one either. But at least we are realistic with our expectations. Arenas, Jamison, and Butler at full health are not nearly enough to get a championship.

Posted by: DubsFan | July 2, 2008 5:58 AM | Report abuse

Thanks For the updates Ivan! I appreciate the work.

Posted by: Sam | July 2, 2008 6:20 AM | Report abuse

I didnt really mean what i said in the last post, we all know the dubs will take the title in 09!

Oh, and Ivan Carter deserves a HUGE RAISE!
HOLLA

Posted by: DubsFan | July 2, 2008 6:22 AM | Report abuse

Great article Ivan. Thanks for the many insights to the Wiz you provide and the truth as you know it to be

DCturd88, I think by now, everyone knows how you feel about Gil. Give it a rest already! Hater! You and your "boyfriend"

Posted by: Anonymous | July 2, 2008 7:36 AM | Report abuse

Uh...guys, I'm pretty sure DCMan88 didn't post that earlier. You may not agree with him but there's no way he posts about picking up Sam Cassell.

I'm happy to hear the strategy the Wiz took, at first I said to myself "wow they handed the negotiation to Gil in a second" by offering the max contract to start, but their motives were dead on. Gil needed to feel the love and the Wiz gave him an opportunity to be a true hero and take less so the team can spend more.

HOWEVER, if Mr. Pollin is actually serious about contending for a championship he has to spend the dough! Come on Abe! Give us Bullets fans a couple of fun years here! Spend the cash to bring the talent. Go after guys like Posey who can help toughen up this team. It's guys like that who can make a difference come playoff time. Until Mr. Pollin is willing to surpass the luxury threshold and spend the cash we will likely be one/two and outs for the duration of Gil and AJ's contracts...

Just my two cents.

Posted by: Nick | July 2, 2008 8:04 AM | Report abuse

Ivan: You've probably said this at some point but what's your position on the Gilbert contract situation?


This team would be better off doing a sign and trade even if they didn't get equal value as long as it helped them inside. They have enough scoring from the outside without Gilbert. Nick Young is going to become a solid scorer in the next year or two if he gets the playing time.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 2, 2008 8:06 AM | Report abuse

Sorry bloggers, but this is my first post today (July 2).

Gilby will take the deal, but it's scummy for Abe to ask him to take less so that Abe can pocket lux tax welfare.

EG clearly overpaid for Gilby. Baron is going to get 7 mil less on average than Gilby. Gilby is not worth 7 mil more than Baron.

Gilby is better of going to Golden State. Nellie runs an offense that better suits him, and doesn't require defense.

This team will relive Groundhog Day over and over and over.

LMAO!

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 2, 2008 8:12 AM | Report abuse

"Go after guys like Posey who can help toughen up this team."

With what money? Why do you think EG keeps signing all of those kids and letting someone like Roger Mason go?

This is what signing Gil to an offer like that does to your team. Kills it.

Get ready for mediocrity, because that's all we're going to see over the next few years.

- Ray

Posted by: Ray | July 2, 2008 8:24 AM | Report abuse

Ivan, great reporting and great analysis. Your work is much appreciated.

Posted by: fish | July 2, 2008 8:25 AM | Report abuse

"Gilby is better of going to Golden State. Nellie runs an offense that better suits him, and doesn't require defense."

That's very telling in itself.

"So Arenas is worth about 50% more than Baron Davis? No. And that's some negotiating strategy. Offer the max and hope for mercy. No wonder Pollin has driven this franchise into terminal mediocrity."

Exactly, good post.

- Ray

Posted by: Ray | July 2, 2008 8:26 AM | Report abuse

Good work Ivan

Posted by: Jason | July 2, 2008 8:27 AM | Report abuse

Haters keep on hating. What happens when Gil comes back for closer to waht Baron Davis is getting. What will you say then?

Posted by: Prison Balls | July 2, 2008 8:29 AM | Report abuse

Everyone in this blog seems to forget that during the 2006-2007 season before Caron and Gil got hurt the Wizards were the best team in the east and arguably in the top 5 in the league. The teams needs to stay healthy this year and play with increase urgency and improve on last year's defense than we will see them competing in the Eastern Conference Finals.

Resigning Roger Mason ans a good veteran shhoting guard off the bench to have a mix-up look with Nic Young at the two in match-ups will go a long way and getting Etan back with a renewed passion for playing basketball after a career-threatening condition-his play will tramatically improve.

This team has something to prove now that they are no longer suffering from injuries.
The only thing I would add to the team is a veteran big man who is not afraid to rebound, play-defense, and let opposing teams know that he owns the paint-who that is I do not know. A pick-up like that would go a long way in the playoffs when that kind of defense is needed in the paint. Haywood is still not tough enough and unfortunately Etan can't do it alone although he can play the role.

Wizards will be competing in the Eastern Conference Finals-BELIEVE IT!

Posted by: A true Wizards fan that know basketball. | July 2, 2008 8:48 AM | Report abuse


"Go after guys like Posey who can help toughen up this team."

With what money? Why do you think EG keeps signing all of those kids and letting someone like Roger Mason go?

This is what signing Gil to an offer like that does to your team. Kills it.

Get ready for mediocrity, because that's all we're going to see over the next few years.

- Ray

Posted by: Ray | July 2, 2008 8:24 AM "

Ray that's exactly my point. Unless Pollin is willing to go over the cap there is little chance of a championship run. I'm not saying to abuse the cap like the Knicks by going after guys with way inflated contracts in hopes that they turn into decent, level headed basketball players (I watch starbury's hilarious youtube interviews at least once a month). I'm saying we go after solid role players to give us good depth. Pollin doesn't have decades ahead of him and if he's serious about making a run, how long can we wait for Dray Blatche or Nick Young (I'm sorry but Young is several years away from being a starter; the kid gives up on the court after one turnover, one miss, one bad look from some fan, etc.) to turn into key elements of a championship team? That may never happen..

Sure, go after RMason and see if Gil can drop his price enough to pick him up. But then go over the cap and grab guys like Posey to make this team a contender!!

Of course, it's easy for a fan with a small small fraction of income compared to Mr. Pollin to state advice on how he should spend his money. But he opened himself to this criticism again when he stated emphatically that he wants to see another championship banner in Washington before his time is up!

Posted by: Nick | July 2, 2008 8:55 AM | Report abuse

The real Gilby monster has awaken.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 2, 2008 8:55 AM | Report abuse

Everyone in this blog seems to forget that during the 2006-2007 season before Caron and Gil got hurt the Wizards were the best team in the east and arguably in the top 5 in the league. The teams needs to stay healthy this year and play with increase urgency and improve on last year's defense than we will see them competing in the Eastern Conference Finals.

Resigning Roger Mason ans a good veteran shhoting guard off the bench to have a mix-up look with Nic Young at the two in match-ups will go a long way and getting Etan back with a renewed passion for playing basketball after a career-threatening condition-his play will tramatically improve.

This team has something to prove now that they are no longer suffering from injuries.
The only thing I would add to the team is a veteran big man who is not afraid to rebound, play-defense, and let opposing teams know that he owns the paint-who that is I do not know. A pick-up like that would go a long way in the playoffs when that kind of defense is needed in the paint. Haywood is still not tough enough and unfortunately Etan can't do it alone although he can play the role.

Wizards will be competing in the Eastern Conference Finals-BELIEVE IT!

Posted by: A true Wizards fan that know basketball. | July 2, 2008 8:48 AM
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You got the Prison Balls shank of approval!

Posted by: Prison Balls | July 2, 2008 8:56 AM | Report abuse

Great Work Ivan,

Don Nelson is 68 and talks about not coming back from Hawaii every year.

Not saying Baron Davis isn't worth more than 65 mil for 5 years, but nobody offered him more than that, and GS wouldn't even offer him an extension. You're only worth what someone will pay you, and other teams were offering gil 100 mil. Just saying

Posted by: Anonymous | July 2, 2008 9:04 AM | Report abuse

Why does everyone think we need to resign roger mason so badly? Roger mason kinda sucks, he had one good year and only does one thing well one a good night (shoot 3s). Plus, we already have a streaky shooter who plays no D in Nicky Young. I would much rather the PT go to NY..and if you're talking about roger as a PG come on now, he is a garbage point guard. I don't like to hate often but i don't see how we've gotten to a forgone conclusion that roger is a key bench player for a playoff team...

Posted by: dfresh58 | July 2, 2008 9:04 AM | Report abuse

Great work Ivan -- I think the Wiz are using the right strategy in dealing with Arenas -- offer max but try to get him to take less -- let him win over some more fans by showing he accepted less. Lets just hope nothing odd happens while he is in China.

Posted by: Chad | July 2, 2008 9:07 AM | Report abuse

Guys -- Will you just leave DC Mann alone, let him do his Gilby bashing. If he stops then we will have no one to mess with. Posting stuff under his name make him want to do it more often. If we all agree, this would be boring.

Posted by: Fulvio aka Wiz-skins07 | July 2, 2008 9:07 AM | Report abuse

To Mason's credit, he carried the team through several third quarter slumps this year. I personally thought he did a good job in stepping up to fill some big shoes while Gil and AD were out this past season. I wouldn't cry if we didn't re-sign him, though. The money could be spent in pursuing other FA's out there.

Posted by: Nick | July 2, 2008 9:09 AM | Report abuse

ARE TEAM WILL NOT BE MEDIOCRE NEXT YEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

EVERYONE SHUT UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Burg w/ a U | July 2, 2008 9:13 AM | Report abuse

If all three stay healthy this team is no better than a 2nd rd. winner as it's currently constructed and that's at best.

The past few days all I've heard is "If this, If that" whether it's the player's health, Andray's desire, and Etan (ridiculously overpaid) Thomas coming back from heart surgery being "dominant."

It's time to wake up and take a look at this team objectively. They don't have a strong 4, period. And since we're not going to have a strong 1 (Gil is a 2) or 5 we're just treading water now...

Posted by: CB | July 2, 2008 9:14 AM | Report abuse

There is a difference between mediocrity and coming up short in the playoffs. I hope for the best with the team, but can't possibly expect them to be Finals contenders with the same roster as last year. The team will do well, but whether that can be maintained for 82 games and playoffs will all depend on the kind of guys Pollin and Ernie pursue in the next month.

Question to all: if what we're missing is a banger down low, who out there can be had (assuming EBrand is untouchable)?

And who believes that Etan and BH will play nice next year? I'd hate Etan's returned to be couple with BH reverted back to old self. No one can argue that he didn't improve last year...

Posted by: Nick | July 2, 2008 9:15 AM | Report abuse

Nick -- I think we can get DeSagana Diop. He is a great defender, a banger, and a shot-blocker

Posted by: Fulvio aka Wiz-skins07 | July 2, 2008 9:17 AM | Report abuse

Great work Ivan - I hope the folks reward you with a "max" contract when you're a FA.

The Wiz strategy with Arenas makes sense. He wants to feel the love and by offering him the max contract plus resigning Jamison, the Wiz have done that. If GA is a man of his word and interested in contending for a championship, he'll leave some money on the table so they can go out and sign a veteran like Posey to add toughness and a reliable 3-pt. shooter off the bench who can back up CB3 and AJ.

If GA takes the max, the Wiz will be hamstrung until the contracts for Etan, Songaila, and Daniels expire in 2010. By then, CB3 will a FA looking for his big raise!!!

Posted by: wizfan89 | July 2, 2008 9:18 AM | Report abuse

Gilbert is not worth 50 mill more than Baron Davis.... if we had signed BD, think of how much money we'd have left....Gilbert's ego is bigger than his game... back to the first round if we're lucky

Posted by: LK | July 2, 2008 9:21 AM | Report abuse

Gilbert is not worth 50 mill more than Baron Davis.... if we had signed BD, think of how much money we'd have left....Gilbert's ego is bigger than his game... back to the first round if we're lucky

Posted by: LK | July 2, 2008 9:21 AM

Gilbert's also 26, Baron Davis is 30. Davis will be looking like a Sam Cassell by the time his contract is up with the Clips.

Posted by: psps23 | July 2, 2008 9:30 AM | Report abuse

khrabb,

Fantastic post.

Posted by: Keithinator | July 2, 2008 9:34 AM | Report abuse

If we had signed Baron Davis? What makes you think Baron Davis would come to DC? He is from LA and he produces movies, so of course he wants to live in LA. People act like the Wizards can sign any free agent that others teams sign for the same price. Doesn't work that way.

In DC, you can't let your stars walk, because stars don't want to come here. If you get a happy star, who likes DC, better keep him, otherwise you end up with Mitch Richmond or Jerry Stackhouse.

Now, in 2012 and 2013 when Durant and Beasley are free agents, they may want to come here at a discount b/c its their home town.

Hopefully, this won't start a convo of the Wiz clearing cap space for 2012/2013.

Posted by: CRitch | July 2, 2008 9:36 AM | Report abuse

It must be difficult to "go hard" after a guy who never actually became a free agent.

Posted by: Monte | July 2, 2008 9:38 AM | Report abuse

KD and MB in the 0-1-3!!

Posted by: Anonymous | July 2, 2008 9:38 AM | Report abuse

Folks, we still don't know what kind of team we have. With all the injuries the past several seasons, we have not been near full strength.

I agree with the posters who think the key missing ingredient is a rugged interior player, a guy who will work the boards, lean on his man, and put a penetrating PG on his can when he drives the lane. Problem is, they're in short supply. Maybe all our tall guys will (McGee is just huge) will give us some of that. We'll see.

I'm willing to give the group a healthy season together and see what they can do, before I start calling for a blow-up and rebuild.

Posted by: Keithinator | July 2, 2008 9:42 AM | Report abuse

"Haters keep on hating. What happens when Gil comes back for closer to waht Baron Davis is getting. What will you say then?

Posted by: Prison Balls | July 2, 2008 8:29 AM "

What if he doesn't?

You don't demand/ask for max money and then sign for 7 mil less/year.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 2, 2008 9:43 AM | Report abuse

"Everyone in this blog seems to forget that during the 2006-2007 season before Caron and Gil got hurt the Wizards were the best team in the east and arguably in the top 5 in the league. The teams needs to stay healthy this year and play with increase urgency and improve on last year's defense than we will see them competing in the Eastern Conference Finals.

Posted by: A true Wizards fan that know basketball. | July 2, 2008 8:48 AM "

Get over that...

It's not how you start, but how you finish.

We all know how the finish played out.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 2, 2008 9:44 AM | Report abuse

"Ray that's exactly my point. Unless Pollin is willing to go over the cap there is little chance of a championship run. I'm not saying to abuse the cap like the Knicks by going after guys with way inflated contracts in hopes that they turn into decent, level headed basketball players (I watch starbury's hilarious youtube interviews at least once a month). I'm saying we go after solid role players to give us good depth. Pollin doesn't have decades ahead of him and if he's serious about making a run, how long can we wait for Dray Blatche or Nick Young (I'm sorry but Young is several years away from being a starter; the kid gives up on the court after one turnover, one miss, one bad look from some fan, etc.) to turn into key elements of a championship team? That may never happen..

Sure, go after RMason and see if Gil can drop his price enough to pick him up. But then go over the cap and grab guys like Posey to make this team a contender!!

Of course, it's easy for a fan with a small small fraction of income compared to Mr. Pollin to state advice on how he should spend his money. But he opened himself to this criticism again when he stated emphatically that he wants to see another championship banner in Washington before his time is up!

Posted by: Nick | July 2, 2008 8:55 AM "

Take a step back and think about it.

It's a sad state for a franchise when you've signed, or going to sign, people to an amount of money that hits a cap and it's doubtful that your team will make an impact in the playoffs UNLESS YOU GO OVER THE CAP to get more resources.

What that means is that this team has too much riff raff. Not operating efficiently.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 2, 2008 9:47 AM | Report abuse

"Not saying Baron Davis isn't worth more than 65 mil for 5 years, but nobody offered him more than that, and GS wouldn't even offer him an extension. You're only worth what someone will pay you, and other teams were offering gil 100 mil. Just saying

Posted by: | July 2, 2008 9:04 AM "

So why does EG need to add another year and 27 mil more when he doesn't need to?

BTW, nobody thought Baron Davis was opting out until he did (walked away from 17+ mil guaranteed), and he signed with the Clips way before anyone could catch their breath and jump with another offer.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 2, 2008 9:54 AM | Report abuse

"Haters keep on hating. What happens when Gil comes back for closer to waht Baron Davis is getting. What will you say then?

Posted by: Prison Balls | July 2, 2008 8:29 AM "

What if he doesn't?

You don't demand/ask for max money and then sign for 7 mil less/year.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 2, 2008 9:43 AM

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I'm not saying he will...It will just be interesting to hear what kind of trash people will talk if he accepts less. People always look to talk trash, no matter what.

Posted by: Prison Balls | July 2, 2008 9:54 AM | Report abuse

It's funny how some folks keep saying we lack a banger to improve the team, so go after this and that forward.
In the meantime the teams that do have bangers for PFs are trying real hard to acquire a scoring forward like Antawn Jamison.

Even the biggest spending teams like Dallas didn't get the perfect line up.

Posted by: rgz | July 2, 2008 9:55 AM | Report abuse


If Gilby signs the max. offer, he will be the new Juwan Howard. Fans will hate him a) once the team starts to tank and b) when the team can't sign any good free agents because of no cap space. Good tactical move by EG, but there will be some real pain for fans for the next 3 to 6 seasons. Back to being the dreg of the NBA for the Wizards.

Posted by: Baller4Life | July 2, 2008 9:57 AM | Report abuse

Etan (if healthy) maybe the team's answer for a banger inside player. I just wish he plays PF and not take a lot of BTH playing time. But with EJ's obsession with small ball I doubt it.

Posted by: Dave | July 2, 2008 10:09 AM | Report abuse

DCman88 is a turd! Don't even try to argue with him. He is and avid Gil Hater and you can't win an argument with a foolish person! HATER

By the way, after Gils China trip, he will be in Barcelona on another trip to promote the Wiz games that will be played there in preseason. So there haters! Gil will be back, make no mistake about it! GO WIZARDS!

Posted by: Anonymous | July 2, 2008 10:09 AM | Report abuse

I agree Prison Balls. Everyone seems to forget that last time the Big Three were all healthy and together.... they were No.1 in the East. Than Twan got hurt, then he came back... then Tough Juice broke his hand.... then stupid Gerald Wallace tripped Gil and the rest is history. Two first round exits later to Cleveland and here we stand.

Look I am not saying that they are the best team in the NBA, but they are a contender in the East with the Big Three, Stevenson's big mouth and Haywood. Blatche, Young, Pech, Daniels and McGee coming off the bench. Not bad...

Health is everything in this league or any league. The Pats would have not gone 16-0 if Tom Brady got injured. The Celtics got a full year without the Boston Three Party suffering a major injury. See what happens next year if one of them goes down for an extended period of time!

Detroit is blowing up their team, the Cavs are really not that tough, and the Magic and Hawks are up and coming. It is all about who stays the healthiest.

GIL IS A MAX PLAYER. Remember that he was in the MVP race in 06-07 putting up 30 and 5 and 5.

Their is risk going both ways. You let him walk and he regains his MVP form and leads another team to the playoffs. Who do you replace him with? Sam Cassell... PLEASE. That poster and her bf.... stay out of these discussions if you do not know what the hell you are talking about. The only PG out there are Udrich (who only has proved himself in one year and had the 42 best turnover to assist ratio for PGs); Chris Duhoun (please no Dukies) and guys like Tyrone Lue, Jasyon "White Chocolate" Williams, etc.. etc.. I could have seen them going after a guy like Jose Calderon, but he is off the market as is B Davis.

Or you resign the guy that brought Washington basketball back into the forefront. I remember those years when the Bullets/Wiz were always in the lottery and always chose bums (Chaney, Chapman, Kwame, Hayes). NO THANKS! I will take the playoffs every year.

I would like to see Mason re-signed (being a Good Counsel alum myself), but it is not what this team needs. They need size as evident by the seven footers that the Cavs kept rolling out. Seems like they got the rebound when it was needed- either offensive of defensive. Pech and Songalia are 7 ft, but don't play like it. It is like asking Dirk to bump bodies with Amare and Howard. Blatche is still ony 21, and still filling out his body. He seriously needs to hit the weights and put on 10 pounds.

Posey or Diop would fit the bill. Then they could rotate Haywood, Thomas, Blatche and McGee.

Keep the faith alive TRUE WIZ FANS. I will be there to witness what Ernie puts together. Will you?

Posted by: KeepArenasInDC08 | July 2, 2008 10:10 AM | Report abuse

If Gilby signs the max. offer, he will be the new Juwan Howard.

I don't see that happening. Arenas is a much better player than Juwan -- assuming a healthy knee. Big assumption, I know. And I liked Juwan. But Gil is a franchise-level player, IMO. He is the guy the other team has to account for at all times; he changes the game. Is he a max player? Yes, if he's over his injury concerns. Time will tell. But if the Wiz lose him, they're in dire straits.

Posted by: Keithinator | July 2, 2008 10:14 AM | Report abuse

nads

Posted by: Anonymous | July 2, 2008 10:16 AM | Report abuse

Regarding the max contract that the Wizards have offered GA, I have two questions: (1) Are we going to see Agent Zero in his previous All Star level or has the knee injury robbed him of his former quickness that made him an elite player? Are we getting the same player (or better) that we saw in previous years? I honestly don't understand how we can take this kind of risk--possibly I am being paranoid on this end, but I want assurance that the quickness/burst/speed is still there. (2) What other teams employ a player who has a MAX (in the 100 million plus range) contract that are able to consistently compete in the playoffs? It would be interesting to see a rundown of all the NBA teams in the past few years that have given a MAX contract to a player to observe the corresponding success/failure of that team.

Posted by: Luke 9:23 | July 2, 2008 10:18 AM | Report abuse

lol hibachi is so tight

Posted by: prescrunk | July 2, 2008 10:23 AM | Report abuse

"Everyone in this blog seems to forget that during the 2006-2007 season before Caron and Gil got hurt the Wizards were the best team in the east and arguably in the top 5 in the league.

Posted by: A true Wizards fan that know basketball. | July 2, 2008 8:48 AM "

And do you remember what the "experts" said after that season? They said that the Wizards could never duplicate that success.

The reasons: (1) Antawn Jamison was getting old and his production was going to start going down. (2) Caron Butler's production that season was an anomaly- he'd never be able to produce like that again.

We all know what actually happened.

Add to that Brendan's unexpected improvement, Blatche's maturing, Songaila's recovery from injury, and Nick Young falling to us in last year's draft.

I like our chances.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 2, 2008 10:24 AM | Report abuse

"You can say it was about Elton Brand, you can say it was about being closer to "home", you can even say Baron Davis wants to be an actor and make movies, but at the end of the day the Clippers offered Baron Davis a five-year $65 million deal, and that was far more money than Golden State was willing to go for a player that's only played in 82 games twice in his eight-year career."

Posted by: Anonymous | July 2, 2008 10:24 AM | Report abuse

Luke 9:23 - Current MAX contract players

Joe Johnson Atlanta
Kevin Garnett Boston
Paul Pierce Boston
LeBron James Cleveland
Jason Kidd Dallas
Dirk Nowitzki Dallas
Carmelo Anthony Denver
Allen Iverson Denver
Baron Davis Golden State
Tracy McGrady Houston
Jermaine O'Neal Indiana
Elton Brand Los Angeles Clippers
Kobe Bryant Los Angeles Lakers
Shawn Marion Miami
Dwyane Wade Miami
Michael Redd Milwaukee
Stephon Marbury New York
Shaquille O'Neal Phoenix
Tim Duncan San Antonio
Chris Bosh Toronto

Posted by: psps23 | July 2, 2008 10:25 AM | Report abuse

"You can say it was about Elton Brand, you can say it was about being closer to "home", you can even say Baron Davis wants to be an actor and make movies, but at the end of the day the Clippers offered Baron Davis a five-year $65 million deal, and that was far more money than Golden State was willing to go for a player that's only played in 82 games twice in his eight-year career."

Posted by: | July 2, 2008 10:24 AM


"You can say it was about Elton Brand, you can say it was about being closer to "home", you can even say Baron Davis wants to be an actor and make movies, but at the end of the day the Clippers offered Baron Davis a five-year $65 million deal, and that was far more money than Golden State was willing to go for a player that's only played in 82 games twice in his eight-year career."

Posted by: | July 2, 2008 10:24 AM

"You can say it was about Elton Brand, you can say it was about being closer to "home", you can even say Baron Davis wants to be an actor and make movies, but at the end of the day the Clippers offered Baron Davis a five-year $65 million deal, and that was far more money than Golden State was willing to go for a player that's only played in 82 games twice in his eight-year career."

Posted by: | July 2, 2008 10:24 AM

http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=9328

Posted by: Anonymous | July 2, 2008 10:26 AM | Report abuse

Now shut up about Baron Davis already. He was not coming here, he is not a better player than Gilbert, he is older and more fragile. His own team did not think he was worth $10M a year for 6 years.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 2, 2008 10:28 AM | Report abuse

So that's every title winning team I can think of going back to the 90's, with exception of the '04 Pistons (including the Bull's dynasty and the Rockets' winning teams).

Posted by: psps23 | July 2, 2008 10:28 AM | Report abuse

Gilbert is not worth 50 mill more than Baron Davis.... if we had signed BD, think of how much money we'd have left....Gilbert's ego is bigger than his game... back to the first round if we're lucky

Posted by: LK | July 2, 2008 9:21 AM

Wow - even after a year of constantly saying the same things over and over again... some people just don't get it.

The Wizards could NOT sign Baron Davis (or ANY OTHER HIGH LEVEL FREE AGENT) without renouncing the rights to both Arenas and Jamison.

Does Baron effing Davis get the Wizards any closer to sniffing a 2nd round playoff game WITHOUT Jamison?

Does Elton Brand get the Wizards any closer? (if they gave up Arenas & Jamison)- with Daniels as your starting PG and no money to sign a backup PG or any other help?

NO - The Wizards would just become the Clippers of the East...

Posted by: Rook | July 2, 2008 10:33 AM | Report abuse

The Wizards have not been the dregs of the NBA in the last 3 seasons by the way. Had the Wiz been healthy, who knows things may have been different but injuries do happen and we just happen to have had more than others. Any "REAL" FAN would know that. It's funny that only the posters here portray such a negative perspective on the teams and it's players/personnel. Other teams and coaches don't seem to feel that way. It's sad actually, that our fans would be such downers.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 2, 2008 10:36 AM | Report abuse

I really don't get all this Posey love. He's a nice complementary player, but the Wizards are more than one nice complementary player away. And the last thing they need is another 6'8"/6'9" guy who likes to chuck it up from distance.

Posted by: kalorama | July 2, 2008 10:38 AM | Report abuse

"What that means is that this team has too much riff raff. Not operating efficiently.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 2, 2008 9:47 AM"

Of course this insane statement comes from someone who does not even have a JOB. Sits home and blogs ALL THE TIME.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 2, 2008 10:38 AM | Report abuse


Clarification:

New Juwan Howard = phat contract and fans turning on him because of it.

Posted by: Baller4Life | July 2, 2008 10:38 AM | Report abuse

May as well save your breath, Rook. People hear what they want to hear.

Posted by: kalorama | July 2, 2008 10:39 AM | Report abuse

Arenas is not equivalent to Howard. After he got the fat contract, people expected Howard to step up and be the team's best player, which he simply wasn't. Arenas (if healthy) is already the team's best player.

Posted by: kalorama | July 2, 2008 10:40 AM | Report abuse

"Arenas is not equivalent to Howard. After he got the fat contract, people expected Howard to step up and be the team's best player, which he simply wasn't. Arenas (if healthy) is already the team's best player.

Posted by: kalorama | July 2, 2008 10:40 AM "

Gilby is clearly the team's best offensive player.

The funny thing is that the team without its best offensive player (last season) has achieved just as much success without him.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 2, 2008 10:43 AM | Report abuse

"They need size as evident by the seven footers that the Cavs kept rolling out. Seems like they got the rebound when it was needed- either offensive of defensive.Pech and Songalia are 7 ft, but don't play like it. It is like asking Dirk to bump bodies with Amare and Howard. Blatche is still ony 21, and still filling out his body. He seriously needs to hit the weights and put on 10 pounds.

Posey or Diop would fit the bill. Then they could rotate Haywood, Thomas, Blatche and McGee.

Posey is a 6' 8" SF. Songaila is 6' 9" not a 7 footer.

Posted by: kalorama | July 2, 2008 10:44 AM | Report abuse

"DCman88 is a turd! Don't even try to argue with him. He is and avid Gil Hater and you can't win an argument with a foolish person! HATER

By the way, after Gils China trip, he will be in Barcelona on another trip to promote the Wiz games that will be played there in preseason. So there haters! Gil will be back, make no mistake about it! GO WIZARDS!

Posted by: | July 2, 2008 10:09 AM "

Maybe Gilby should bike from China to Spain to get his workouts in.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 2, 2008 10:48 AM | Report abuse

As much as the Wizards need a banger off the bench, the team's crowded at the 4 & 5 positions with Haywood, Etan, McGee, Jamison, Songalia, Blatche, and Pech. That's 7 players for 2 positions.

I'd love to see them resign Mason, but do we want him cutting into Nick Young's time off the bench?

The Wizards have two things going for them: the possibility of their big three playing healthy together for the first time in a season and a half, and a good core of young players that are developing.

Frankly, I want to see Blatche, Young and the rest of the young guys with another year of experience. They should all improve to one degree or another, but how much?

And what kind of team are the Wizards with a healthy big three?

Why not get answers to these questions before revising the roster. Why not wait till next year? The free agent class should be better, the Wizards will have an additional year to evaluate their young guys, and some soon-to-be expiring contracts can be used as trade bait.

Posted by: Johnnie Futbol | July 2, 2008 10:49 AM | Report abuse

I really don't get all this Posey love. He's a nice complementary player, but the Wizards are more than one nice complementary player away. And the last thing they need is another 6'8"/6'9" guy who likes to chuck it up from distance.

Posted by: kalorama | July 2, 2008 10:38 AM

Agree. Limited production role player, in the limelight because of his crucial shots for the current champion. But in my opinion, if we want to spend money why not go after Andre Iguodala or even rehire Jarvis Hayes.
We can't always be blinded by the latest flavor of the month, we need to look a little bit deeper as to why Wiz should look at a player.

Posted by: rgz | July 2, 2008 10:50 AM | Report abuse

I agree, Posey is not the solution for the team's problem inside. But if I have a chance to choose between Mason and Posey, I will pick experience anytime. With Roger, you don't really know what you're getting each game pluse Posey is the stopper that the Wizards lack bigtime.

Posted by: Roy | July 2, 2008 10:51 AM | Report abuse

@KeepArenasInDC08

Great post. I think its easy to tell people who have been Wizards fans for 10-15 or more years and the people who jumped on the bandwagon once Gil starting making the Wizards exciting.

The new fans think the playoffs every year is a given. The old fans realize how much better times are now than in the 80's and 90's. My biggest fear is going back to "9-20" to start every year.

Posted by: CRitch | July 2, 2008 10:52 AM | Report abuse

May as well save your breath, Rook. People hear what they want to hear.

Posted by: kalorama | July 2, 2008 10:39 AM

Yeah - I know

Posted by: Rook | July 2, 2008 10:53 AM | Report abuse

I don't know why Arenas takes ALL the blame and everyone else on the team gets a pass. Arenas is not a great defensive player. He never will be. Wade or LeBron are not either, or most of the other point guards in the league.

The real reason Boston won the championship is excellent health. Not taking anything away from their Big 3 but they had great luck in that area. Would Boston with Garnett, Pierce, and Allen have enough to win the championship? No. The fact is that after mid-season, Cassell and PJ Brown jumped on the bandwagon and gave them that extra for mininum salaries. That and excellent season-long health is what pushed them over the top.

Posted by: G-Man | July 2, 2008 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Tired of hearing about Baron Davis. His OWN team who could offer him far more than the Clippers instead offered Agent Zero a max contract! Golden State had tried to get Davis to sign a lucrative extension but he opted out to play in LA with a team that is going nowhere. He and Brand are both 30 and have gone nowhere in the playoffs (nor have the Clippers).

Gilbert is a money player and is a far better investment than Baron Davis. The Wiz know his knee condition better than anyone and doubt that EG would have made him a max offer if he wasn't expected back at 100% for next year.

Posted by: wizfan89 | July 2, 2008 11:00 AM | Report abuse


You people who think the Wizards are better off w/o Gilbert are morons. Believe it or not, you need stars to win in the NBA. Jamison and Butler are very good players, but I don't want them taking the last second shot. Also, the Wizards might be able to play good basketball in the dog days of January but the last two years, primarily w/o Gilbert, they were awful against a mediocre Cavalier basketball team. Guess we could go

Posted by: ChairmanD | July 2, 2008 11:06 AM | Report abuse

"I don't know why Arenas takes ALL the blame and everyone else on the team gets a pass. Arenas is not a great defensive player. He never will be. Wade or LeBron are not either, or most of the other point guards in the league.

Posted by: G-Man | July 2, 2008 10:54 AM "

Have you not been watching the games or the news?

If Gilby resigns, he will be the highest paid player on the team, and he's the face of the franchise whether he wants to be the leader or not.

Who would you rather blame for the Wiz lack of success in the playoffs? The 15th man off the bench? How about GWiz?

What has DWade done in the playoffs?

What has Lebron, a dude out of high school, done in the playoffs?

Get over your fascination of individual accolades and look at what these guys have done for their teams and success they've had.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 2, 2008 11:07 AM | Report abuse

"But in my opinion, if we want to spend money why not go after Andre Iguodala or even rehire Jarvis Hayes."

Iguodala is way out of the Wizards price range, and Hayes is done in D.C.

Posted by: kalorama | July 2, 2008 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Interesting that another newspaper is saying:

the Wizards told their other unrestricted free agent, backup guard Roger Mason Jr., that they intended to re-sign him after Arenas.

Posted by: Rook | July 2, 2008 11:12 AM | Report abuse

Hayes could be a good, cheap pickup for the backup small forward spot. Certainly a better player than McGuire.

The only reason not to do it would be fears that EJ would overplay him, or play him at PF again.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 2, 2008 11:17 AM | Report abuse

For all you fools who say take the money we are going to spend on "Gilby" and sign other players to toughen up the team well even if we were to not sign "Gilby" we would have no money to sign other free agents we can only pay "Gilby" that money because of the Bird rule. You idiots that want to let "Gilby" go and get an inside player are really stupid!! Where should we get this inside player from? Is there a Ferry land that grows inside players, where we could get a young Shaq, or a Dwight Howard? If so that would be great!

But to my knowledge there is no such place so we should resign one of the top 10 to 15 players in the league, somebody that is worth the price of admission, someone who has made this franchise relative again, someone who has led us to our only playoff series victory in what 20 or 30 years, someone who when healthy (and there is no reason to think he want be again) can take over a 4th quarter and get his own shot at will, someone who has embraced this city since he got here and seems to be a really great guy off the court.

As for big men we have to hope that Bredan continues to play at the level he did last year and that Antray or one of the other young guys come along and are decent at rebounding and providing a some interior presence.

Posted by: Joe | July 2, 2008 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Golden State's play for Gilbert made me think:

Remember how Don Nelson benched Baron Davis in the 4th quarter of Golden State's last game this season, and there seemed to be friction between the two prior to that time? Nelson and Chris Mullin had to know that if Davis opted out, the team would have had a ton of money to pursue a free agent, and Gilbert would be a perfect fit. Isn't it possible that Golden State tried to get Davis to opt out so that they could pursue Gilbert?

Posted by: Anonymous | July 2, 2008 11:20 AM | Report abuse

KD and MB in the 0-1-3!!

Posted by: | July 2, 2008 9:38 AM

Isn't the world going to end in 2012?

Posted by: Anonymous | July 2, 2008 11:23 AM | Report abuse

Unless the Wiz foolishly overpaid him, there's no reason why Hayes would come back here. Sometimes a situation runs it course and you have to move on. Hayes' time in D.C. is done. Why would he return to a situation that ended so poorly for him last time? It's a closed chapter.

Posted by: kalorama | July 2, 2008 11:23 AM | Report abuse

good work, Ivan! Thanks!

Posted by: jj | July 2, 2008 11:34 AM | Report abuse

will all you little sh!ts shut the fu@k up. I don't need your help getting a raise. stop bloging on your computer and go outside

Posted by: Ivan | July 2, 2008 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Who would you rather blame for the Wiz lack of success in the playoffs? The 15th man off the bench? How about GWiz?

What has DWade done in the playoffs?

"What has Lebron, a dude out of high school, done in the playoffs?

Get over your fascination of individual accolades and look at what these guys have done for their teams and success they've had." Posted by DC Man88

Compare the health of any of those players and teams when they did anything in the playoffs. Was Caron healthy in the playoffs last year? Was Caron in the playoffs the year before? Was Gilbert the same? But lack of success the last 2 years in the playoffs be thrust on Gilbert when he was unhealthy or out.

My question is was any of these bloggers saying "GET RID OF GILBERT" when he was down the most? That time was after he "Choked" at the line against Cleveland? No they weren't saying that because they saw a player basically going toe-to-toe with LeBron. Nobody else on the wiz can carry the team like that. How soon we forget! Caron can't! Antawn can't! The other question is, is he worth it? Nobody is. But besides that, if you lose Gilbert for nothing, you are again one and done, just like you were, and with the emergence of Philly and ATL, maybe out of the playoffs. I prefer to look at the glass as more than 1/2 full and threatening the conference crown with Gil being healthy and player development and improvement like they had OVER THE SUMMER last year, not because Gil not playing.


Posted by: G-Man | July 2, 2008 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Sorry been on vacation for so long but as far as I know I haven't seen any law that prohibits Arvis Hayes from playing again in the Wizards.

Closed chapter. That's what people said with Nellie - Chris Webber - GSW saga. Nobody can predict the future.... except if your first name begins with a K and ends with an A.

Posted by: Dave | July 2, 2008 11:40 AM | Report abuse

"That's what people said with Nellie - Chris Webber - GSW saga. "

Yeah, because Webber's return to Golden State (a dozen years, multiple injuries, and a precipitous skill decline after the fact) worked out so well, didn't it?

Posted by: kalorama | July 2, 2008 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Boston globe reported (via hoopshype.com)
that the wiz have a strong intrest in POsey

he played Letravel pretty well

Posted by: jojo | July 2, 2008 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Haha, good one, Dave!

Posted by: Anonymous | July 2, 2008 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Looks like we're going to be treated to the same team as last year... Hopefully, everyone stays healthy.....

I really believe that the key to NBA success is that a Very Good team has to stay relatively healthy for the entire year to have a chance to win the Championship.

See Boston last year... (top 7 guys averaged 76 games played) or San Antonio in 2006-07 (top 7 guys averaged 75 games played), or even Miami in 2005-06 (the top 7 guys averaged 74 games played)....

Compare that to the Wizards, where our top 7 guys averaged 56 games played (including Arenas and Thomas)... Even if you take out Thomas and substitute Mason, the top 7 guys only averaged 67 games played.

Throw in a major injury or two to any of those teams, and they don't win.... (See Miami in 2006-2007)...

You can go back in time for the last 20 years and see the correlation.... Championship caliber teams are teams that remained relatively healthy...

Posted by: Rook | July 2, 2008 11:48 AM | Report abuse

K and ends with an A

WHO'S THAT? KEVINA?

Posted by: Anonymous | July 2, 2008 11:53 AM | Report abuse

So Baron Davis signs for 5 years 65 mil and we offer gilly 6 127mil. Yup everyone in this board is right EG best GM in the league. WHAT A JOKE. They are basically the same player albeit Baron is older but Baron is the one who had the huge year last year and stayed healthy. It was a terrible offer to begin with but then when you see deals like this all you can do is laugh at EG. I almost feel bad for him b/c this is going to cost him his job in the next year or 2.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 2, 2008 11:57 AM | Report abuse

This team is going to be a capped out mediocore joke. Cant wait til EG and EJ get fired and we can start trading people and moving on from this terrible disaster that EG has created.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 2, 2008 11:58 AM | Report abuse

I wonder if Baron Davis would have played for $65M over 5 in DC?

Posted by: Anonymous | July 2, 2008 12:00 PM | Report abuse

So Baron Davis signs for 5 years 65 mil and we offer gilly 6 127mil. Yup everyone in this board is right EG best GM in the league. WHAT A JOKE.

Posted by: | July 2, 2008 11:57 AM

Are you talking about the same Baron Davis that was not offered a 5yr /$65mill deal from his former team, the Golden State Warriors? And is this the same Warriors team that just offered Gil a 5yr /$100mill contract?

It must be comforting knowing that you're smarter than two highly qualified NBA GMs that have built up consistently winning teams in the last few years.

Posted by: psps23 | July 2, 2008 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Davis took "less" money to go to a place he wanted to be and play with a player he wanted to play with. Aside from money, why would he have wanted to be in D.C.?

(Never mind the fact that no one else was reported to be offering him more than the Clippers, while Davis' own team, the Warriors, reportedly offered Arenas the max.)

Posted by: kalorama | July 2, 2008 12:04 PM | Report abuse

psps23 Yes it is comforting knowing more than 2 mediocore GM's who can barely get their teams in the playoffs and if they get lucky enough to make it cant make it past the 1st round.

I WILL SAY ONE THING FOR SURE...BARON DAVIS FOR HALF OF WHAT GIL IS GETTING PAID IS THE BEST DEAL IN THE LEAGUE.

"I wonder if Baron Davis would have played for $65M over 5 in DC?"

Probably not...all the good FA's want to go where they have a chance to win a championship.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 2, 2008 12:09 PM | Report abuse

Result is not the issue. Closed chapter means period...means it won't happen again. Well guess what, it did.

Posted by: Dave, | July 2, 2008 12:11 PM | Report abuse

"Are you talking about the same Baron Davis that was not offered a 5yr /$65mill deal from his former team, the Golden State Warriors? And is this the same Warriors team that just offered Gil a 5yr /$100mill contract?

It must be comforting knowing that you're smarter than two highly qualified NBA GMs that have built up consistently winning teams in the last few years.

Posted by: psps23 | July 2, 2008 12:02 PM "

Baron Davis made it clear by opting out the last minute and not giving his team any advance notice or consideration that they would be wasting their time trying to get him to resign.

If Baron Davis wanted to remain with Golden State, they would have discussed an extension. If Baron Davis wanted to remain with Golden State, he wouldn't have orally agreed to a contract with the Clips on the first day of free agency.

Golden State had no real choice but to react by offering 100 mil to Gilby, who still remains a fan favorite in the Bay area. Otherwise, they would probably have a Juwan Howard-like PR debacle in the bay area.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 2, 2008 12:12 PM | Report abuse

"Probably not...all the good FA's want to go where they have a chance to win a championship.

Posted by: | July 2, 2008 12:09 PM "

LMAO!

Baron Davis would rather play for the Clippers of the West than the Clippers or the East.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 2, 2008 12:14 PM | Report abuse

"This team is going to be a capped out mediocore joke. Cant wait til EG and EJ get fired and we can start trading people and moving on from this terrible disaster that EG has created.

Posted by: | July 2, 2008 11:58 AM "

I suggest Abe start looking for the Holy Grail so that he can drink a potion that will let him become immortal so that he may one day see his franchise win another championship.

Note: Immortal meaning living forever.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 2, 2008 12:17 PM | Report abuse

I WILL SAY ONE THING FOR SURE...BARON DAVIS FOR HALF OF WHAT GIL IS GETTING PAID IS THE BEST DEAL IN THE LEAGUE.

Posted by: | July 2, 2008 12:09 PM

May be true for another year or two. When Baron Davis is 35 and playing like the recent Sam Cassell for $14 million, the Clips won't be so excited.

And anyway, as others have pointed out, what makes you think Davis would have wanted to sign here anyway? You can only do so well as your options. Gil, even at a max contract, is by far the best option we have right now.

Posted by: psps23 | July 2, 2008 12:18 PM | Report abuse

"K and ends with an A

WHO'S THAT? KEVINA?"

NO, It's KeithinatorA.

Sorry Keith :-)

Posted by: Dave | July 2, 2008 12:19 PM | Report abuse

Actually in another 2 years Baron Davis will only be 31. People in the past knocked him for injuries but he has been healthy as of late. I'm all for signing Gil but he is not twice the player that Baron is.

Posted by: Berg | July 2, 2008 12:21 PM | Report abuse

"Looks like we're going to be treated to the same team as last year... Hopefully, everyone stays healthy.....

I really believe that the key to NBA success is that a Very Good team has to stay relatively healthy for the entire year to have a chance to win the Championship.

Posted by: Rook | July 2, 2008 11:48 AM "

Geez, those were some brilliant words. Did you think of them all yourself?

When you have a first team that is so much better than your "second team," then you have a problem.

The problem is the first team will get a lot more minutes because your second team sucks, especially if you need the first team firepower to keep up with the opponent because your defense sucks.

The result is a first team that gets beat up and injured a lot.

Then you factor in an owner who doesn't want to spend a dime over the lux tax threshold, and what you get is groundhog day....

We've seen it these past 3 seasons.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 2, 2008 12:22 PM | Report abuse

"My question is was any of these bloggers saying "GET RID OF GILBERT" when he was down the most? That time was after he "Choked" at the line against Cleveland? No they weren't saying that because they saw a player basically going toe-to-toe with LeBron. Nobody else on the wiz can carry the team like that. How soon we forget! Caron can't! Antawn can't! The other question is, is he worth it? Nobody is. But besides that, if you lose Gilbert for nothing, you are again one and done, just like you were, and with the emergence of Philly and ATL, maybe out of the playoffs. I prefer to look at the glass as more than 1/2 full and threatening the conference crown with Gil being healthy and player development and improvement like they had OVER THE SUMMER last year, not because Gil not playing.


Posted by: G-Man | July 2, 2008 11:35 AM "

Carry the team to what?!?!

The last time the Wiz went to the 2nd round, Larry Hughes carried the team.

After that, there were 3 straight seasons of one and done, including the season where Gilby choked on the free throws.

Get over your excuse about injuries. Lebron with 4 new nobodies on his team carried them to the Eastern Finals.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 2, 2008 12:27 PM | Report abuse

I really don't get all this Posey love. He's a nice complementary player, but the Wizards are more than one nice complementary player away. And the last thing they need is another 6'8"/6'9" guy who likes to chuck it up from distance.

he fills a big need because he's a good fit to back up caron and help cut down his minutes. he's a decent defender. he's been a big role player for two title teams.

we just signed jamison for $50 million. we aren't getting a banger/post presence down low.

Posted by: DarrellWalkerFan | July 2, 2008 12:28 PM | Report abuse

"Result is not the issue. Closed chapter means period...means it won't happen again. Well guess what, it did."

Uh ... no it, didn't. The closed chapter I was talking about was Jarvis Hayes. Period. Until he comes back to Washington, that chapter is, as a matter of fact, closed.

Chris Webber (A) has nothing to do with anything I was talking about and (B) is possibly the worst example you could come up with to make your non-point.

Posted by: kalorama | July 2, 2008 12:29 PM | Report abuse

Geez, those were some brilliant words. Did you think of them all yourself?

When you have a first team that is so much better than your "second team," then you have a problem.

The problem is the first team will get a lot more minutes because your second team sucks, especially if you need the first team firepower to keep up with the opponent because your defense sucks.

The result is a first team that gets beat up and injured a lot.

Then you factor in an owner who doesn't want to spend a dime over the lux tax threshold, and what you get is groundhog day....

We've seen it these past 3 seasons


BOSTON HAS A horrible 2nd unit

Posted by: JOJO | July 2, 2008 12:31 PM | Report abuse

The last time the Wiz went to the 2nd round, Larry Hughes carried the team.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 2, 2008 12:27 PM

Yea, just like it was Larry Hughes who carried the Cavs to the NBA Finals two years ago.

Posted by: psps23 | July 2, 2008 12:33 PM | Report abuse

dc mann

Hughes carried us to the 2nd round?
I dont quite remember it that way..please explain

Posted by: Anonymous | July 2, 2008 12:35 PM | Report abuse

"I dont quite remember it that way..please explain"

For the love of God, don't encourage him!

Posted by: kalorama | July 2, 2008 12:37 PM | Report abuse

Gil (and every other person in this league) are worth what they are getting paid. To say that he's not worth as much as BD is ridiculous. The market sets the value. As far as play goes, in Gil's last relatively healthy season he had a Hollinger PER rating on 24. BD's was 19 and some change last year. Gil is also 3 years younger.
Regarding Diop, he's a one dimensional player who happens to be in the league because he's tall with long arms and can play defense marginally well occasionally. We don't need him. Jarvis Hayes is done. He couldn't make it as a starter here despite several chances. Injuries are a part of the game. We don't need him either.
I'm a Mason fan but in truth we don't really need him. Is he better than Nick Young? Right now we have him as our backup to Deshawn. He should be the 3rd string guy behind NY and Deshawn. (Note the order).
Personally, I'm kinda tired of hearing the argument that we were first in the East before injuroies a couple years ago. Aj even said again last night. Fact is, though, that it's true. We can compete with anyone and have as good a shot as any team if we stay healthy. No team in this league can score like we can. Many teams in this league can defend like we do. face it. No matter what we try, with our personnel, we will never be defensive stoppers. Our forte is scoring. We need ti get better on D but we'll never be the 08 Celts. This will be the year that we find out whether we can be the 2006 Colts and score our way to a title. With just a little more attention to defense and correct and consistent substitution patterns, I think we can.

Posted by: mark | July 2, 2008 12:38 PM | Report abuse

What I am saying is that Gilby is not the sole reason why the Wiz advanced. If you remember, Larry Hughes and Etan Thomas played well enough to help usthrough the '04-05 playoffs. When Etan got injured, that directly led to our loss to the Heat in Round 2. Check the facts!

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 2, 2008 12:42 PM | Report abuse

"dc mann

Hughes carried us to the 2nd round?
I dont quite remember it that way..please explain

Posted by: | July 2, 2008 12:35 PM"

As I just stated, Hughes & Etan carried the Wiz in '05, it was all about defense, which Gilby is not too good at. Hughes neutralized Gordon AND Hinrich, while Etan had the tough task of dealing with the Bulls version of the twin towers (Chandler - budding all-star, and Eddy Curry).

It's all about defense in the playoffs, so you can point the 1st round victory directly to the guys who manned the D.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 2, 2008 12:45 PM | Report abuse

"Folks, we still don't know what kind of team we have."

Keith, I think everyone around her knows exactly what we have and that's what all of the hubbub is about.

The Wiz are going to bring the exact same team back next year and only IF they stay healthy can make a run at something.

Saying that they they can't get past Lebron, and they are still not a better team then the Celtics.

On top of this you're signing a guy to a max deal coming off of two knee surgeries who still has not been able to take the leadership role of team, and you want to make him the face of your franchise.

Now Gil has done a lot of this area, and I love the guy. But he has done nothing to show me as a life long Bullets/Wizards fan that he can take this team to the next level. Dude can't even tell his coach when he's suiting up or not during the most critical time of the year(playoffs).

The team as you have it now will not win a Championship.

"Wow - even after a year of constantly saying the same things over and over again... some people just don't get it."

Rook, this past season showed me that nothing is impossible in regards to personel decisions. Shaq to the Suns, the Celtics and the big three, ect, ect.

Anything is possible when it comes to rosters, it's just a matter if the team really wants to or not.

- Ray

Posted by: Ray | July 2, 2008 12:47 PM | Report abuse

the fact is "hughes carried us to the 2nd round" is bogus

Posted by: Anonymous | July 2, 2008 12:49 PM | Report abuse

"Hughes neutralized Gordon AND Hinrich, while Etan had the tough task of dealing with the Bulls version of the twin towers (Chandler - budding all-star, and Eddy Curry)."

I hate to agree here but you're right. Offensively Hughes was a no show, but defensively he shut those guys down.

- Ray

Posted by: Ray | July 2, 2008 12:50 PM | Report abuse

DcMan88 was it Hughes 40%fg shooting or 19% 3 point shooting carrying us vs. the bulls? or maybe it was etan with his 6 points per game?

http://www.nba.com/wizards/stats/2004/conf_quarter_stats.html

Posted by: Berg | July 2, 2008 12:50 PM | Report abuse

"Anything is possible when it comes to rosters, it's just a matter if the team really wants to or not.

- Ray

Posted by: Ray | July 2, 2008 12:47 PM"

It is clear that since EG has been here, he has not made any improvements to the roster. He has overpaid for end of the bench guys like Gilby, Etan, AD, and Songalia. Neither of these guys have done anything for us, especially during the big stage of the playoffs.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 2, 2008 12:50 PM | Report abuse

"

What I am saying is that Gilby is not the sole reason why the Wiz advanced. If you remember, Larry Hughes and Etan Thomas played well enough to help usthrough the '04-05 playoffs. When Etan got injured, that directly led to our loss to the Heat in Round 2. Check the facts!

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 2, 2008 12:42 PM

"dc mann

Hughes carried us to the 2nd round?
I dont quite remember it that way..please explain

Posted by: | July 2, 2008 12:35 PM"

As I just stated, Hughes & Etan carried the Wiz in '05, it was all about defense, which Gilby is not too good at. Hughes neutralized Gordon AND Hinrich, while Etan had the tough task of dealing with the Bulls version of the twin towers (Chandler - budding all-star, and Eddy Curry).

It's all about defense in the playoffs, so you can point the 1st round victory directly to the guys who manned the D.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 2, 2008 12:45 PM "

I love the way someone is writing stuff using my blog name and doing a 180 because they don't like the correct points that I'm making.

Here's what happened 4 seasons ago:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/teams/schedule?team=was&year=2005

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 2, 2008 12:51 PM | Report abuse

"DcMan88 was it Hughes 40%fg shooting or 19% 3 point shooting carrying us vs. the bulls? or maybe it was etan with his 6 points per game?

http://www.nba.com/wizards/stats/2004/conf_quarter_stats.html

Posted by: Berg | July 2, 2008 12:50 PM "

It was Hughes defense that led us to the victory. Hughes shut down both Ben Gordon AND Hinrich, while Etan shut down the men in the middle (Chandler & Curry). It's not a coincedence that we haven't won since Hughes left, he was a virtual all-star that played within the system, which is more than I can say for some players! LMAO!!

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 2, 2008 12:53 PM | Report abuse

jojo

you must be new...alll this dc guy does is bash on gilbert!!! thats where the "hughes" statement comes from

Posted by: Anonymous | July 2, 2008 12:56 PM | Report abuse

"DcMan88 was it Hughes 40%fg shooting or 19% 3 point shooting carrying us vs. the bulls? or maybe it was etan with his 6 points per game?

http://www.nba.com/wizards/stats/2004/conf_quarter_stats.html

Posted by: Berg | July 2, 2008 12:50 PM"


http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/teams/schedule?team=was&year=2005&season=3

One thing you failed to point out is that Hughes led the team in scoring in 3 of the 6 games against the Bulls. Plus, he played smothering defense against Hinrich AND Gordon. Hughes was willing to take less money here, but couldn't handle all the Gilby's nonsense.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 2, 2008 12:57 PM | Report abuse

he was a virtual all-star that played within the system, which is more than I can say for some players! LMAO!!

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 2, 2008 12:53 PM

As opposed to 3 actual all-stars who play within the system?

Posted by: psps23 | July 2, 2008 12:57 PM | Report abuse

"As opposed to 3 actual all-stars who play within the system?

Posted by: psps23 | July 2, 2008 12:57 PM"

Thanks for proving my point, Hughes would've been all-star #3 if he hadn't gotten hurt, looks like he caught the Gilby-bug that year! LMAO!

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 2, 2008 1:03 PM | Report abuse

As opposed to 3 actual all-stars who play within the system?

Posted by: psps23 | July 2, 2008 12:57 PM

No. There are only 2 all-stars who played within the system..CB3 and AJ.

There was better ball movement in terms of passing when Gilby was out. CB3 was feeding the Brendan Todd Haywood and BTH was more involved offensively and his head was in the game. Whereas in years past, BTH would whine that he wasn't getting enough touches.

The ball doesn't get passed hardly in the half court set when Gilby plays. Not saying Gilby doesn't the help the Wiz with his scoring...just talking about the lack of ball movement.

Posted by: Baller4Life | July 2, 2008 1:11 PM | Report abuse

"Thanks for proving my point, Hughes would've been all-star #3 if he hadn't gotten hurt, looks like he caught the Gilby-bug that year! LMAO!

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 2, 2008 1:03 PM "

Yes, Abe called LH an all star while cutting the Costco cake...even though only Gilby and AJ made it.

The funniest thing is that Gilby took credit for not being a ballhog b/c both Caron and AJ made the all star team.

Without Gilby last season, both dudes made the all star team and the first round of the playoffs.

Talk about 127 million wasted.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 2, 2008 1:13 PM | Report abuse


Also, both CB3 and BTH have said/inferred in post=game interviews after the Wiz lose, "Someone needs to know that they can't take all the shots." or something of that nature.

Posted by: Baller4Life | July 2, 2008 1:14 PM | Report abuse

What a waste of 127 mil and the franchise for the next 6 years. Well this team won't be relevant again for a long time.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 2, 2008 1:25 PM | Report abuse

We had a better record last year than we did 2 seasons ago even with caron missing 24 games. How long do we have to play without gilbert to prove the team works better without him.

EG worst GM in the league!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | July 2, 2008 1:26 PM | Report abuse

This team is going to be a capped out mediocore joke. Cant wait til EG and EJ get fired and we can start trading people and moving on from this terrible disaster that EG has created.

Posted by: | July 2, 2008 11:58 AM

I can't wait until the Washington Post requires a log-in WITH A NAME, so that when a poster puts up something completely over-the-top, and it comes out completely the reverse, we can call them on it.

It's really easy to post anonymous drivel.... without fear of subsequent ridicule when what you post turns out to be wrong.

At least DC Man88 has the nads to sign his posts.

Posted by: Rook | July 2, 2008 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Rook, this past season showed me that nothing is impossible in regards to personel decisions. Shaq to the Suns, the Celtics and the big three, ect, ect.

Anything is possible when it comes to rosters, it's just a matter if the team really wants to or not.

- Ray

Posted by: Ray | July 2, 2008 12:47 PM

I understand your position Ray - and agree that anything can happen....

However, to blindly say the Wizards "should have signed Baron Davis rather than Arenas because he's cheaper, and then they could afford to sign other players" ignores the very REAL Collective Bargaining Agreement rules.

Posted by: Rook | July 2, 2008 1:33 PM | Report abuse


If EG gets fired, the team will be bottom feeders for the next 40 years.

E. Jordan will be the unfortunate casualty/scapegoat of bad or mediocre upcoming season.

Posted by: Baller4Life | July 2, 2008 1:34 PM | Report abuse


Reprise:

"Gillllbbbbbyyyyy.....Gillbbbbbbbyyy." - Gilby Fans

"Ciiinnnnddddddyyyyy.....Bobbbbbbbbbbyyyyy." - Mike Brady screaming at the Grand Canyon.

"Ciiinnnnddddddyyyyy.....Bobbbbbbbbbbyyyyy." - Carol Brady & Alice screaming at the Grand Canyon.

Posted by: Baller4Life | July 2, 2008 1:36 PM | Report abuse

If I signed with the Wizards, DC Man88 probably would start talking trash about me all the time, like does with Gilbert now. But I'm from the streets of Baltimore, so I would kick his sorry butt.

Posted by: Sam Cassell | July 2, 2008 1:36 PM | Report abuse

There was better ball movement in terms of passing when Gilby was out. CB3 was feeding the Brendan Todd Haywood and BTH was more involved offensively and his head was in the game. Whereas in years past, BTH would whine that he wasn't getting enough touches.

Posted by: Baller4Life | July 2, 2008 1:11 PM

BTH was also getting more touches because he was getting more minutes with Etan out.

If you're going to build a system around a player, are you going to pick BTH or Gilbert Arenas? Caron and Antawn seemed to have no problem running with Arenas, neither did Larry Hughes when he was here. Our other young talents seem to fit that mold too (NY and Blatche - don't know about JaVale right now, but he looks like he fits that description as well). I liked BTH last year, but if his attitude is the deterrent to signing Gil, then F Haywood.

Posted by: psps23 | July 2, 2008 1:38 PM | Report abuse

And I won't snitch, Sam.

Posted by: Carmelo | July 2, 2008 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Take a long look at that list of max players posted earlier... Gilbert Arenas, assuming he is healthy, is at this point seriously better than most of them (i.e. we would not take that player for Gulbert in a one for one swap) and the equal of any of them except for LeBron and Kobe, with Pierce and KG getting extra credit for their work this past season ... I have said it before and will continue to say it, if Gilbert leaves DC we will not see his like for YEARS.

The press conference yesterday honored Antawn Jamison, and rightfully so (for Abe Pollin to liken Antawn to Wes Unseld was HUGE praise), but the message was clear:

If a championship banner is going to hang in the Phone Booth any time soon, it will be because, as Elvin Hayes did for Wes Unseld, Gilbert supported Antawn by providing the major offensive spark and collaborating on the improved team defense that will put it there.

That said, the need for our young players, and particularly the ones with the gifts that could make them special, such as Nick Young, Andray Blatche and perhaps JaVale McGee, will need to mature more rapidly if real progress (East Finals, minimum) is to occur in 2008/9.

Posted by: khrabb | July 2, 2008 1:48 PM | Report abuse


Sure, BTH played better because Etan got hurt. It's BTH's job to lose next season so I would be surprised if he started acting like a malcontent again once Etan returns.

Anyway, my point was in response to your comment about 3 all-stars playing within the system. As I posted before, only 2 all-stars play within the system, while Gilby does his own thing.

In terms of who to build around, the Wiz should really build around CB3 and Antawn. The young goofballs on the bench need to step up there games. They have no fire, grit, or passion.


Posted by: Baller4Life | July 2, 2008 1:49 PM | Report abuse

This blog sucks! You all are a bunch of sorry losers with no life with nothing else to do but hate on NBA players who are getting paid! What a bunch of losers. Gilbert,Antawn and other Wizards, this blog is the same 9 or 10 people with no life hating on those who have. Disregard their comments because they are in no way representative of the way the "entire" city feel about you guys! Hurry up and sign my man and then come back and shut these haters up once and for all!

Posted by: WizFanatic | July 2, 2008 1:52 PM | Report abuse

EG worst GM in the league
Posted by: | July 2, 2008 1:26 PM
Shouldn't you reserve that title for Isaiah Thomas, GM/Coach of the Knicks?

--------------------------------
Hughes was willing to take less money here, but couldn't handle all the Gilby's nonsense.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 2, 2008 12:57 PM
Can you please substantiate that?

Posted by: rgz | July 2, 2008 1:59 PM | Report abuse

"ITS A NEW DAY....WE DON'T NEED PESSIMISIM PESSIMISIM PESSIMISIM"

WAKE UP DIP S*ITS, WE ARE CONTENDERS!!!

WAHWAHWAHWAH

Posted by: Burg w/ a U | July 2, 2008 2:00 PM | Report abuse

"It was Hughes defense that led us to the victory. Hughes shut down both Ben Gordon AND Hinrich, while Etan shut down the men in the middle (Chandler & Curry). It's not a coincedence that we haven't won since Hughes left, he was a virtual all-star that played within the system, which is more than I can say for some players! LMAO!!"

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 2, 2008 12:53 PM

Not to disparage Etan's contribution, but Eddy Curry (and Luol Deng for that matter) was sidelined with the situation with his heart and did not play in the series. Etan may have shut down Chandler, but, without Chris Paul (and even with him), I wouldn't call Chandler an offensive juggernaut by any means. Otherwise, Etan had to contend with the likes of Othella Harrington and Antonio Davis.

No arguments regarding Hughes. He was solid in that series.

Posted by: Reggie | July 2, 2008 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Anyway, my point was in response to your comment about 3 all-stars playing within the system. As I posted before, only 2 all-stars play within the system, while Gilby does his own thing.

Posted by: Baller4Life | July 2, 2008 1:49 PM

It all depends on what you mean by "in the system." Gil doesn't run the half-court princeton the way a natural point does, but the reason that was the system last year was because Gil wasn't in the lineup - and no replacement could do what he does. EJ openly and willfully employs an up-tempo, running offense when Gil is healthy. He plays within THAT system - and so do Caron and Antawn. I don't see why we should sacrifice our most offensively talented and offensively effective game just because Gil doesn't necessarily fit the offensive scheme that BTH and Antonio Daniels perform well in.

Defensively, it's another matter. But the entire team turned around defensively in one year with Ayers, I don't see why Gil can't do the same.

Posted by: psps23 | July 2, 2008 2:06 PM | Report abuse

I did a quick chart comparing Gilbert and Baron Davis. Gilbert has a large advantage except for last when they were about even:

http://app.widgenie.com/WidgetView.aspx?ID=3a11fc2c_6749_4f1b_88f2_960b21ba06a9

Posted by: BK | July 2, 2008 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Signing Gil was thing to happen to the Wiz in a decade. Resigning him will be the worst thing to happen to them in the decade ahead. He gave us instant credibility, made the team fun to watch, helped make a Mom and Pop organization nationally relevant again. Problem is, Gil never grew up. Never devoted more to his D, to running an offense, to assuming a leadership role, to carrying the team on his shoulder. Sure, his offense is great, and he can hit a shot at the buzzer. But his motivation has more to do with self-absorption, stats, being a star, etc. than helping the Wiz. If he were concerned the Wiz instead of Agent Zero, he would pass more, heave less 3's and get the team involved, let the GM do his job instead of making threats (to leave if Jordan & Jamison weren't re-signed), would not publicly question Jordan for emphasizing defense, would tell said coach when he was ready to play in a timely manner, would not goad opposing players in playoff time, would not publicly say he is no leader, would accept an absurd $124 contract right away without prima donna-ing off to China and leaving fans and staff in the dark, would let team doctors guide his rehabilitation from serious knee injury, etc., etc., etc. He is not a guy you give max to, you give it to those who give maximum dedication and leadership. WIth him, we will score a heap, provided he can recover from injury, but never win a championship. Teams begin playing D in the playoffs and no team, not even the most proficient scoring team in recent history - the Phoenix Suns - win championships with mere offense. We will be good enough to make the playoffs, never good enough to win the championship, never bad enough too get the premium draft picks like Lebron, Garnett, Howard, etc that can win them. Abe spent so much time watching his team lose that he fell in love with Gil when the team finally started to win. He runs the team like a family, becoming extremely loyal to those such as Gil who win him over. As with coach/GM Unseld & Ferry, however, he is sometimes loyal to a fault. So, too, is he this time with Arenas. Signing Gil will keep this team good and prevent it from ever being great. Arenas, if you do sign, please prove me wrong, grow up, dedicate yourself to the team concept, stop worrying about whether you make it onto video game covers and focus on winning us long suffering fans a championship.

Posted by: KGrevey | July 2, 2008 2:08 PM | Report abuse

"Not to disparage Etan's contribution, but Eddy Curry (and Luol Deng for that matter) was sidelined with the situation with his heart and did not play in the series. Etan may have shut down Chandler, but, without Chris Paul (and even with him), I wouldn't call Chandler an offensive juggernaut by any means. Otherwise, Etan had to contend with the likes of Othella Harrington and Antonio Davis.

No arguments regarding Hughes. He was solid in that series.

Posted by: Reggie | July 2, 2008 2:04 PM"

You shouldn't sell Etan short without having the facts, the Bulls had a lot more muscle inside than we did and Etan outplayed them as our starting man in the middle. Etan earned his contract in that series alone.

In addition, once Etan went down in Round 2, that spelled doom for us.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/teams/schedule?team=was&year=2005&season=3

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 2, 2008 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Dcman88 you are a turd! A loser who dosn't know shiggity when it comes to basketball. Everything you talk about is in relation to Gil and putting him down. As I said before you are a coward who hides behind the keybord and would shig your pants if your were to meet Gil face to face. He would knock your friggin arse out for talking all of that shiggity you talk! You are full of shiggity and spend your day hating. Go get a life turd!

Posted by: Anonymous | July 2, 2008 2:20 PM | Report abuse

dcmann

you do have quite an obsession!!! a lil disturbing

Posted by: Anonymous | July 2, 2008 2:23 PM | Report abuse

You shouldn't sell Etan short without having the facts, the Bulls had a lot more muscle inside than we did and Etan outplayed them as our starting man in the middle. Etan earned his contract in that series alone.

In addition, once Etan went down in Round 2, that spelled doom for us.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/teams/schedule?team=was&year=2005&season=3

I've got the facts. I watched every game intently. And I agree with you, particularly with respect to the Wiz being doomed in Round 2 without Etan. Etan was the only big that stepped up in the Bulls series. And though Chandler is a slouch when it comes to scoring, his rebounding skills can't be questioned, and Etan held him fairly in check. I'm just clarifying that Eddy Curry was not among his adversaries.

Posted by: Reggie | July 2, 2008 2:26 PM | Report abuse

How about the improved individual play of Haywood based on his off-season improvement. The same goes for Caron, adding 3pt range. Or Roger Mason improving. Or getting rid of Ruffin. Gilbert will never be a point guard, but offense with these recent teams with Gil playing point was never the issue. Without Gil, you do lose that dominant 4th quarter player down the stretch. I remember being down 10 in the 4th quarter with Gil and still feeling confident that the game aint over. Without Gil, I don't feel the same. That does not mean they can't come back, but that confidence factor I had is missing. The same thing for playing with the lead, I feel that with Gil, the lead will be maintained. Without Gil, that confidence is not the same. The only person on the wizards that is completely unstoppable is Gil. Caron is not at that level and certainly Antawn is not either.

Posted by: G-Man | July 2, 2008 2:40 PM | Report abuse

and to DC Man88, for some reason you take things personally. But, I won't argue with you because it is worthless argueing with bitc.es!

Posted by: G-Man | July 2, 2008 2:43 PM | Report abuse

"You can say it was about Elton Brand, you can say it was about being closer to "home", you can even say Baron Davis wants to be an actor and make movies, but at the end of the day the Clippers offered Baron Davis a five-year $65 million deal, and that was far more money than Golden State was willing to go for a player that's only played in 82 games twice in his eight-year career."

Posted by: | July 2, 2008 10:24 AM

http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=9328


Posted by: | July 2, 2008 10:26 AM

Now shut up about Baron Davis already. He was not coming here, he is not a better player than Gilbert, he is older and more fragile. His own team did not think he was worth $10M a year for 6 years.

Posted by: | July 2, 2008 10:28 AM

"You can say it was about Elton Brand, you can say it was about being closer to "home", you can even say Baron Davis wants to be an actor and make movies, but at the end of the day the Clippers offered Baron Davis a five-year $65 million deal, and that was far more money than Golden State was willing to go for a player that's only played in 82 games twice in his eight-year career."

Posted by: | July 2, 2008 10:24 AM

http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=9328


Posted by: | July 2, 2008 10:26 AM

Now shut up about Baron Davis already. He was not coming here, he is not a better player than Gilbert, he is older and more fragile. His own team did not think he was worth $10M a year for 6 years.

Posted by: | July 2, 2008 10:28 AM

Posted by: Anonymous | July 2, 2008 2:45 PM | Report abuse

seriously dcmann...50 plus hours a week bashing an athlete?? you do need a life...get some sun or something

Posted by: Anonymous | July 2, 2008 2:46 PM | Report abuse

"Dcman88 you are a turd! A loser who dosn't know shiggity when it comes to basketball. Everything you talk about is in relation to Gil and putting him down. As I said before you are a coward who hides behind the keybord and would shig your pants if your were to meet Gil face to face. He would knock your friggin arse out for talking all of that shiggity you talk! You are full of shiggity and spend your day hating. Go get a life turd!

Posted by: | July 2, 2008 2:20 PM "

Stop hating.

If Gilby can't handle people reporting/analyzing/exposing his quirky behavior and hypocrisy, then he shouldn't live a public life.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 2, 2008 2:49 PM | Report abuse

"seriously dcmann...50 plus hours a week bashing an athlete?? you do need a life...get some sun or something

Posted by: | July 2, 2008 2:46 PM "

I suggest you do the same too.

If you don't like it, don't read it.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 2, 2008 2:50 PM | Report abuse

I never thought I'd see the day when I'd see so many disloyal,pesamistic and self defeating so called wiz fans.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 2, 2008 2:53 PM | Report abuse

"At least DC Man88 has the nads to sign his posts.

Posted by: Rook | July 2, 2008 1:30 PM "

Note also, that someone has been using my blog name as I never call Etan Thomas "Etan," but instead use "ET."

I did not write any garbage about Eddy Curry, Tyson Chandler, etc.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 2, 2008 2:54 PM | Report abuse

No excuses now! Everybody got paid. Everybody is healthy. We drafted a big man. Eddie Jordan is back.

Play some damn DEFENSE!

Posted by: sicwidit | July 2, 2008 2:54 PM | Report abuse

DCman88 women try it you might like it

Posted by: Anonymous | July 2, 2008 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Etan signed his big 6-year/$38M contract in the summer of 2004; it had nothing to do with his contributions against Chicago in the 2005 playoff series. Did you forget that GA won Game 5 with a buzzer beater on the road that essentially advanced us to round 2? The Wiz had no chance against a Miami team lead by a healthy, motivated Shaq and D. Wade. Etan was hurt during the Chicago series and we still won with BTH playing quite a bit.

Letting Larry Hughes leave as a FA was a great move. EG then stole CB3 for Kwame Brown. If Hughes was still on the team at $10M/year, we would never have been able to extend Caron's contract or resigned AJ. Give EG some credit and realize that a healthy GA is a top 10-15 player in this league. Assuming GA is healthy and our young players develop (Blatche, Young, and McGuire), we should take a step forward next year.

The key as many point out on this blog is the health of a team over the course of the season and in the playoffs.

Posted by: wizfan89 | July 2, 2008 2:58 PM | Report abuse

"Letting Larry Hughes leave as a FA was a great move. EG then stole CB3 for Kwame Brown. If Hughes was still on the team at $10M/year, we would never have been able to extend Caron's contract or resigned AJ. Give EG some credit and realize that a healthy GA is a top 10-15 player in this league. Assuming GA is healthy and our young players develop (Blatche, Young, and McGuire), we should take a step forward next year.

The key as many point out on this blog is the health of a team over the course of the season and in the playoffs.

Posted by: wizfan89 | July 2, 2008 2:58 PM "

Why do people give EG credit for the LH move?

EG lowballed LH with an offer that was 10 mil short of what Cleveland offered him. When LH turned EG down, EG tried to come back with 10 mil more, but by that time, LH had already signed with Cleveland.

It matters nothing that LH has not lived up to expectations in Cleveland or Chicago because while he was here, he was great.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 2, 2008 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Grunfeld didn't lowball Hughes. He offered him market value. Cleveland, in return, offered to pay him considerably more than he has ever proven to be worth.

Posted by: kalorama | July 2, 2008 3:09 PM | Report abuse


Anyone can play in an uptempo system..that's just fast break basketball. Also, a team can only play uptempo if they're ahead in the game or the game is close. Uptempo is also a result of good defense. If a team plays poor or no defense that means less opportunity for fast break points.

The fact that EJ has to adjust to an uptempo style to fit Gilby's talents, shows that Gilby doesn't understand or adhere to the Princeton offense. For example, Jason Kidd thrived in the Princeton offense. He passed the ball effortlessly left and right and set up his teammates to score. Jason Kidd can pass the ball in his sleep, Gilby can't.

Gilby doesn't want to play defense. His mindset is just to score and nothing else.

Posted by: Baller4Life | July 2, 2008 3:14 PM | Report abuse

We need to go back and get Kwame Brown and Juan Dixon. Then, we'll trade Gil for Larry Hughes, make a 3 way trade to get Jarvis Hayes back. Then we target Laron Profit in free agency.

Once all that plays out, we can trade Caron for Michael Ruffin, and maybe go get Popeye Jones. Then, according to DC Man 88, we'll win again. Sounds like the perfect plan!!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | July 2, 2008 3:18 PM | Report abuse

It doesn't matter whether someone posts under a name or not, you still don't know if the name is real or made up so what difference does it make. DC man is still a man/girl obsessed with Gil. A real piece of horse crap. Turd!

Posted by: Anonymous | July 2, 2008 3:20 PM | Report abuse

When LH turned EG down, EG tried to come back with 10 mil more, but by that time, LH had already signed with Cleveland.

please substantiate!! either way he wasnt worth 12mil a year

Posted by: Anonymous | July 2, 2008 3:22 PM | Report abuse

I love how everyone talks trash on DCmann and then all of you are to scared to even post a name. Thing is he is the one that is correct in the Gilly argument. Dcmann and I will be laughing at all of you at some point in the next year or 2 when EG and EJ get fired and they are trying for the life of them to get rid of that contract...as well as jamisons.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 2, 2008 3:24 PM | Report abuse

The whiners on this forum would like to pay Larry Hughes more than the $12M he got from Cleveland, but don't think Antawn Jamison or Gilbert Arenas deserve their new contracts?

Hey anon, thanks for the idea of getting Popeye Jones, Jarvis Hayes, Juan Dixon and Kwame Brown plus I hear Brian Cardinal and Tyronne Lue are available too, let's go grab em. For sure, reverse every thing EG has done cause he's the worst GM of the league according to these losers.

I think these whiners should move to New York where their GMs really did a good job since that nincompoop Grunfeld left.

Posted by: Mighty Mouse | July 2, 2008 3:29 PM | Report abuse

"Gilby doesn't want to play defense. His mindset is just to score and nothing else.

Posted by: Baller4Life | July 2, 2008 3:14 PM "

Come on, man. That's a bit extreme isn't it? Gil averaged 6.1, 6.0, and 5.1 dimes per game in the last three seasons to add to his 29, 28, and 19 (on one bum knee) ppg. In addition, he added 3.5, 4.6, and 3.9 rpg and nearly 2 steals per game in the last three seasons.

I hate to break out the stats, but you can't make statements like that without backing it up. Gilbert is not a great defender, he is never going to be a great defender, but that doesn't make him a poor defender or a ball hog.

If you add a solid big man down low, it won't matter if he gets blown by on a drive by his opponent, he'll have appropriate teammates to play team defense. Team defense wins games. Not every player is going to be an all-defensive team player. Is Ben Wallace a good basketball player (in his Pistons days)? Yes. Why? Because he kills teams with defense. But if you ask him to play decent offense he will disappoint you.

I think Ernie made a creative judgment call and put all his chips on Gilbert agreeing to a cheaper contract than max because of mutual interest in acquiring the best support personnel we can get out there. It's a risk, but that's what the GM position is all about. It's a different kind of risk than Stevie Kerr's Shaq move, but still a GM move that could turn out to be a smart move.

Posted by: Nick | July 2, 2008 3:30 PM | Report abuse

I'm sure Tyrone Nesby and God Shammgod are looking for work.

Posted by: kalorama | July 2, 2008 3:31 PM | Report abuse

I'll commend Grunfeld on the Hughes & Jeffries deal, regardless of whether he "low-balled" them; I view it as Grunfeld making a strategic offer to those guys. It's part of the negotiations, he wanted to have them back, but didn't HAVE to have them back (a la Gil), so he had the leverage.

In Gil's current case, Grunfeld is using strategy again by offering the max, but with a disclaimer. The disclaimer is not so he can tell the fans, "see, it's not my fault," as some seem to think with Hughes & Jeffries. Instead the disclaimer is telling Gil "We want you here, but we want to win with you here and this is how you can help..."

Regardless, the team that's on the floor next year will be the one I'm rooting for. One thing seems clear though, Gil is probably going to be here, since the offer's on the table, it's more of a question of how much.

Rhetorical question: Why would the Wizards & Warriors both offer respective max contracts if they didn't feel he will be healthy? If Pollin is so cheap, why would he take on such a risk?

I can't wait for summer league...

Posted by: CN | July 2, 2008 3:32 PM | Report abuse

"Grunfeld didn't lowball Hughes. He offered him market value. Cleveland, in return, offered to pay him considerably more than he has ever proven to be worth.

Posted by: kalorama | July 2, 2008 3:09 PM "

Market value is what another team is willing to pay the player that was on your team. LH signed with the Cavs because he didn't want to haggle with EG and felt lowballed.

EG is clearly paying above market value for Gilby because no other team out there is able to pay him that 127 million, which is beyond ridiculous. The Wiz are bidding against themselves.


Posted by: DC Man88 | July 2, 2008 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Grunfeld didn't lowball Hughes. He offered him market value. Cleveland, in return, offered to pay him considerably more than he has ever proven to be worth.

Posted by: kalorama | July 2, 2008 3:09 PM


AND - The point could be argued that Hughes was a better player, playing in the Wizards system, than in the Cleveland system... A better player, playing alongside Arenas, than playing alongside LeBron James.

Posted by: Rook | July 2, 2008 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Anybody heard rosters for summer league? I assume we'll bring in some guys like Aaron Miles or the like?

Also, anybody know anything about Nick Youngs documentary? Can you buy it anywhere? The website doesn't seem to have been updated in a long time.

Posted by: CRitch | July 2, 2008 3:37 PM | Report abuse

We need to go back and get Kwame Brown and Juan Dixon. Then, we'll trade Gil for Larry Hughes, make a 3 way trade to get Jarvis Hayes back. Then we target Laron Profit in free agency.

Once all that plays out, we can trade Caron for Michael Ruffin, and maybe go get Popeye Jones. Then, according to DC Man 88, we'll win again. Sounds like the perfect plan!!!!

Posted by: | July 2, 2008 3:18 PM

You forgot Sun Ming Ming !

Posted by: Rook | July 2, 2008 3:39 PM | Report abuse

The Wizards are not bidding against themselves, they are bidding against the Warriors, who offered practically the same contract. The only difference is the extra year and higher % increase, which is the basis and reasoning behind the "Bird rule," it gives the existing teams leverage.

Posted by: CN | July 2, 2008 3:39 PM | Report abuse

"AND - The point could be argued that Hughes was a better player, playing in the Wizards system, than in the Cleveland system... A better player, playing alongside Arenas, than playing alongside LeBron James.

Posted by: Rook | July 2, 2008 3:37 PM "

And the argument for Gilby going to GS is that he'll be an even bigger scorer since Nellie cares not for defense..just offense.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 2, 2008 3:39 PM | Report abuse

"Market value is what another team is willing to pay the player that was on your team."

Market value is what the market as a whole determines an asset is worth. Just because one consumer is willing to pay twice what anyone else is willing to pay doesn't make that price the market value.

No one else was offering Hughes that kind of deal. The only reason the Cavs did was because they were trying to appease Lebron.

Posted by: kalorama | July 2, 2008 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Whether you all like it or not here it is, Gilbert is offered the amount of money from the Wiz because Gil puts butts in the seats. It is that simple. Same as Ovechkin and any other player in any league. The fans here love Gil and will pay to see him. Not to mention the kids that love him as well. Is he quirky? To some he may be but he changed the Wizards organization. They can now sell out the arean without having to heavily discount seats and from a business standpoint, bringing Gil back will keep money in the pockets of the organization. Last I checked, that is what it is about. Will we get a championship? That remains to be seen. I like our chances with Gil. And if you want to call me a Gilbert lover. Then so be it, because I love me some Gilbert. Hurry and sign sweetie!

Posted by: True Accountant | July 2, 2008 3:45 PM | Report abuse

arenas is a rich man now if he signs he would make nearly 22 mil a year .

Posted by: Anonymous | July 2, 2008 3:45 PM | Report abuse

"Basically, the feeling is that by offering the max and telling Arenas that he can help the team move closer to championship contention by taking less, they not only avoided lowballing him and potentially ticking him off but they also soothed his ego and made him feel loved while also allowing him to feel that he's helping the franchise."

Was I dead on, or what?

Posted by: jones-y | July 2, 2008 3:49 PM | Report abuse

hibachi!!!!!!!!!!!!

just cookin' chicken n' shrimp. can't wait til he barbeques JeBron and the Cavs

Posted by: prescrunk | July 2, 2008 3:50 PM | Report abuse

To Kalorama's point...

The "market" value for Arenas has been set, by BOTH:

Golden State (who offered Arenas a maximum-level 5-year contract starting at $17 Million per year with 10.5% raises, for over $100 Million)

AND by Sacramento, who said they would be willing to do "whatever it takes" to land his services even if they have to "trade their entire team." (ie: Sign Arenas to a MAX contract, then trade to Sacramento)

Either way - the "market" has been set... Gilbert Arenas is a max-contract player.

Posted by: Rook | July 2, 2008 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Another point about the financial considerations....

Look at the attendance drop after MJ left....

Washington went from 2nd in the League in Attendance (20,173) to 21st the NEXT YEAR (15,703 average)

Then Arenas came, and Attendance jumped the next year by 4,000 per game...

With the Injuries, the Wizards have struggled to get the attendance back up - they're right around 18K per game now...

The Washington DC fan, by and large, is not like say, Boston, or Chicago... The "NEW" Washington fan does not come to the game to watch the team.... They come for the player! The Hype! The drama! (Jordan, Arenas)...

Sure, there's a fan base that follows the team... probably a good chunk of the 15K folks that stuck around after MJ left... those are the hard core fans....

But the rest? The 5 or 6 thousand extra butts that a player like Arenas can put in the seats? Those people are the business types. The Politicians. The pundits. The Washington insiders. They don't follow a team.... they follow the "drama" ... they're there for the "hype"...

More importantly - those are the "high rollers" that fund the luxury boxes.... and buy the expensive court side seats... (What, you think Mom and Pop Jones are gonna fork out $15K or $20K for a couple of season tickets? - - - Heck NO, that's two years of College for one of the kiddies !! )

If Arenas puts 3,000 extra butts in the seats, at an average of $150 per ticket, the Wizards will make an additional $18,900,000 per year (just on ticket sales) - - - That's $113,400,000 over his 6-year contract - he just paid for himself...!!!

Posted by: Rook | July 2, 2008 3:56 PM | Report abuse

2999 extra seats, Rook. You forgot to subtract DC Man. (And notice how he comes to games alone.)

Posted by: Anonymous | July 2, 2008 4:03 PM | Report abuse

EG is clearly paying above market value for Gilby because no other team out there is able to pay him that 127 million, which is beyond ridiculous. The Wiz are bidding against themselves.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 2, 2008 3:37 PM
If you do your math, GSW actually offered Gilbert an average $20M for 5 years. Of course you have refused to understand that the Wizards are the ONLY team that is able to offer a 6 year contract.

Posted by: Mighty Mouse | July 2, 2008 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Gilbert better be looking like the pre-injury Gilbert regardless of what the final $$$ is for.

Posted by: Charlie | July 2, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

All in all, this discussion about Gilby's contract is getting old and tired.

All we as Wiz fans can hope is that Gilby gives GS and the Kings (Vegas) a fair shot and that he will swing by their offices on the flight back and talk to them and hopefully sign with either of them.

Abe can then spend his money elsewhere and not beg Gilby to take less so he can continue to reap lux tax welfare. Very pitiful.

It'll be interesting when it comes time to pay BTH and Caron though.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 2, 2008 4:05 PM | Report abuse

(What, you think Mom and Pop Jones are gonna fork out $15K or $20K for a couple of season tickets? - - - Heck NO, that's two years of College for one of the kiddies !! )

Posted by: Rook | July 2, 2008 3:56 PM

Damn right!

jones-y

Posted by: jones-y | July 2, 2008 4:06 PM | Report abuse

dc fag88 had to release his season tix to pay off his loan to eastern motors for his honda crx

Posted by: prescrunk | July 2, 2008 4:11 PM | Report abuse

"The Warriors have offered free agent Elton Brand a five-year deal worth between $85 and $90 million, according to league sources.

Brand, like Baron Davis, opted out of the final year of his contract just before Monday's deadline, giving up a guaranteed $16.4 million for next season"

Via San Francisco Chronicle

Gil deal must be off the table for GS

Posted by: Johansen | July 2, 2008 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Thx for the example, Rook. I think ppl here forget that Gil is more than just a good player. For better or worse, he makes this team relevant. Tell the league that Gil is our for the year and watch to see how many nationally televised games we get. Gil makes money for Abe. As Rook pointed out, that's just ticket sales and doesn't include the big money that corporations pay to advertise in the V Center.
On the court, does anyone think that a healthy Gil would have gotten some calls against the Cavs? I do. He gets respect from the refs. It's been mentioned before...It may not be a coincidence that AJ, LH and CB have all gotten better playing next to Gil. Folks keep trying to argue that he's selfish and doesn't make teammates better. HUH ? We need Gil, we got Gil. We're better for having Gil. It really is that simple.

Posted by: mark | July 2, 2008 4:36 PM | Report abuse

"dc fag88 had to release his season tix to pay off his loan to eastern motors for his honda crx

Posted by: prescrunk | July 2, 2008 4:11 PM "

prescrunk's (aka prec#m) mom bangs the parking lot attendants at eastern motors.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 2, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

At Eastern Motors, your job's your credit, at EM, your job's your credit!

Let EM put you in a car today, let EM finance it all the way!

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 2, 2008 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Come on, man. That's a bit extreme isn't it? Gil averaged 6.1, 6.0, and 5.1 dimes per game in the last three seasons to add to his 29, 28, and 19 (on one bum knee) ppg. In addition, he added 3.5, 4.6, and 3.9 rpg and nearly 2 steals per game in the last three seasons.

I hate to break out the stats, but you can't make statements like that without backing it up. Gilbert is not a great defender, he is never going to be a great defender, but that doesn't make him a poor defender or a ball hog.

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A true/top PG strives to get dimes around 10 or more..at worst 9...not in the mid-to-low single digits IMHO. CB3 got 5 to 7 dimes in games last season.-- needs to be fact-checked.

If you can provide me the dime stats of Jason Kidd, Deron Williams, Paul of the Hornets, even LeBron James, and compared them with Gilby's, there dime numbers would crush Gilby's.


Posted by: Baller4Life | July 2, 2008 5:59 PM | Report abuse

"A true/top PG strives to get dimes around 10 or more..at worst 9...not in the mid-to-low single digits IMHO."

In the 2006-07 season, Tony Parker averaged 5.5 assists in the regular season and 5.8 in the playoffs. Is he not a top PG? Because the NBA Finals MVP award he won at the end of that same season suggests he is.

Posted by: kalorama | July 2, 2008 6:40 PM | Report abuse

"If you can provide me the dime stats of Jason Kidd, Deron Williams, Paul of the Hornets, even LeBron James, and compared them with Gilby's, there dime numbers would crush Gilby's."

Yet all of those players put together have won the exact same number of NBA titles as Gilbert has.

Posted by: kalorama | July 2, 2008 6:41 PM | Report abuse

What options is gil weighing when offered the max dollar?? Sign already!

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