Pollin and Arenas chat about contract

Well, Gilbert Arenas spoke with Wizards owner Abe Pollin this morning and said he was assured by Mr. Pollin that he's "his guy and he won't let me leave no matter what." That was a text message so there you go.

Still, he hasn't yet officially agreed to a deal and the Wizards would like to get Arenas at a number that will allow them some roster and cap flexibility not only next season but two and three years down the road when the contracts of Antonio Daniels and Etan Thomas come up.

As I reported yesterday and in this morning's paper, the team was able to reach a four-year agreement with Antawn Jamison on a $50 million deal and his cap number for next season will be $9.9 million, according to my sources.

Also, as I first reported late last night/early this morning, the Golden State Warriors made a play by offering five years and $101 million.. The Sacramento Kings also made overtures but since Ron Artest did not opt out, I don't see how in the world they could make a real offer.

The team is having a 2:30 press confernce for Jamison at the Verizon Center.

By Ivan Carter |  July 1, 2008; 12:20 PM ET
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Gilby should shock the world and leap frog Baron Davis and sign with the Clips to play with Brand.

Then, he could challenge Kobe for LA.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 1, 2008 12:32 PM

Arenas has the right to think this one over while in flight to China.

Posted by: Wayne from Bowie | July 1, 2008 12:33 PM

1st...C'mon GIl, resign

Posted by: Prison Balls | July 1, 2008 12:34 PM

dc mann-keep your head up

look at the bright side...you will probably have 6 more years to bash Gilbert


Posted by: jojo | July 1, 2008 12:38 PM

The only way that move makes sense for Arenas is if he values money and living on the West coast more than winning. And, again, if that were true he never would have left G.S. to come to D.C. in the first place.

Posted by: kalorama | July 1, 2008 12:13 PM

Well I think his value of money had something to do with his switching coasts and coming to DC. I don't think it would be so far-fetched to see him do it again.

Anyway, I know this is highly speculative and unlikely. Just goes to show you why letting Arenas leave is much harder value-wise than most people here wish to think through.

Posted by: psps23 | July 1, 2008 12:35 PM

Posted by: psps23 | July 1, 2008 12:38 PM

Wayne from Bowie, you are correct. He has that right. Hopefully, he will be true to his word and do what he said he would earlier.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 1, 2008 12:38 PM

"look at the bright side...you will probably have 6 more years to bash Gilbert


Posted by: jojo | July 1, 2008 12:38 PM "

Oh yea, and I'm anxious to share with everyone here...b/c I'm just that kind of nice guy...

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 1, 2008 12:39 PM

"Well I think his value of money had something to do with his switching coasts and coming to DC."

Not really, since G.S. basically offered him the same money the Wizards did.

Posted by: kalorama | July 1, 2008 12:40 PM

Arenas was a restricted FA when he signed with the Wizards. If GS offered the same money, they would've matched the offer.

Posted by: psps23 | July 1, 2008 12:45 PM

Gotta to say DC Man88 has been very consistent in his personal dislike of Arenas. Gil just can't do anything to please DC Man88. I bet if he signs for less than max, DC Man88 will find fault with that too.

Posted by: Bart | July 1, 2008 12:45 PM

LMAO

Gil IS COMING BACK! Check the latest post!
All you h8ters are stuck!

I am mad happy!

Posted by: i s | July 1, 2008 12:45 PM

If he goes then he goes but as far as Free Agents are concerned HE IS THE #1 FREE AGENT OUT THERE.

Baron Davis has had knee surgery and Brand is just coming off achilles surgey/injury. The diffence between the 3 is Arenas is 26 years old and the other guys are 30 and all are looking for the same contract Arenas is looking for.

Posted by: Wayne from Bowie | July 1, 2008 12:47 PM

"Gotta to say DC Man88 has been very consistent in his personal dislike of Arenas. Gil just can't do anything to please DC Man88. I bet if he signs for less than max, DC Man88 will find fault with that too.

Posted by: Bart | July 1, 2008 12:45 PM "

Unlike others here, I'm not content with status quo and 3 years of one and done in the playoffs, with or without Gilby.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 1, 2008 12:47 PM

"Also, as I first reported late last night/early this morning, the Golden State Warriors made a play by offering five years and $101 million." -Ivan Carter

Made a play to who???

Posted by: Barno | July 1, 2008 12:49 PM

@psps23...

I think someone else might know for sure, but I seem to remember that GS couldn't quite match what we offered at the time.

Then they changed the rule (added a gilbert rule) to allow teams to match without going over the cap for that contract or something...

I think the offers were close, but i think GS slightly low-balled and we took a more aggressive approach.

Not sure how relevant that is to today...

Hey IS, I don't see where gil signed yet?

Posted by: g | July 1, 2008 12:50 PM

"As I reported yesterday and in this morning's paper, the team was able to reach a four-year agreement with Antawn Jamison on a $50 million deal" -Ivan Carter

That's interesting...I could've sworn Ivan reported yesterday that jamison was signing for 4 years 48 million, not 50 million.

Posted by: Barno | July 1, 2008 12:50 PM

"Well I think his value of money had something to do with his switching coasts and coming to DC."


Not really, since the Clippers basically offered him the same money the Wizards did back in '03. If the money was the same and the lure of playing in L.A. meant so much to him, he'd be a member of the Clippers right now.

Posted by: kalorama | July 1, 2008 12:51 PM

"Arenas was a restricted FA when he signed with the Wizards. If GS offered the same money, they would've matched the offer."

And, as I've already said, it was the Clippers, not the Warriors, who offered Arenas a similar contract back in '03. But the point remains the same.

Posted by: kalorama | July 1, 2008 12:53 PM

good - really, what else were the wiz going to do? hopefully gil will agree to the 100 mil and be true to his word that he'll take less to help the team - maybe the max offer was an ego-stroke only.
one more run with this crew, hopefully healthy, bench 1 year older and wiser - that was the only sane thing to do.
ivan get some sleep.

Posted by: random dude | July 1, 2008 12:53 PM

"I think the offers were close, but i think GS slightly low-balled and we took a more aggressive approach.

Not sure how relevant that is to today...

Hey IS, I don't see where gil signed yet?

Posted by: g | July 1, 2008 12:50 PM "

Yes, I think GS could only offer 5 mil less than the Wiz did.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 1, 2008 12:54 PM

I think the offers were close, but i think GS slightly low-balled and we took a more aggressive approach.

Not sure how relevant that is to today...

Hey IS, I don't see where gil signed yet?

Posted by: g | July 1, 2008 12:50 PM
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Golden St. didn't have Gil's bird rights, since he was only in the league for 2 years, so they could only offer him the MLE. However, the NBA's since changed that and now teams have the "early-bird" rights to their young free agents (e.g. Golden St can offer Monta Ellis more than the MLE, despite being over the cap. Bad example, since they not over the cap, but pretend that they were)...

Posted by: CN | July 1, 2008 12:57 PM

Certainly, there were other aspects involved. But he did take more money to be with the Wizards (albeit only slightly more than the Clippers). And the fact that he went against his openly-stated preference for the west coast reinforces my point that he did have a high value for money.

Posted by: psps23 | July 1, 2008 1:03 PM

Unlike others you seem to think this is a storied franchise with tons of options and players that want to play here.

Unlike others you forget that this franchise was one of the worst 5 in the NBA perennially.

Unlike others you mistake the heyday of Chris Webber, Juwan Howard and MJ in DC for some kind of golden era of basketball in DC.

Unlike others you think it would be changing something in DC to trade away young talent and developing promise when in fact that would be the status quo in this franchises' history.

Unlike others you don't see a team getting to the playoffs consistently and playing with heart (for the first time in decades) as a positive step in building success for this team.

Unlike (some) others you fantasize about players and trades that are not feasible and / or wouldn't improve our team.

Unlike others every move, non-move contemplated move and un-contemplated move fore this teams management and star player are a cause of grief to you. No matter the outcome.

Unlike others you have become personally twisted by some perceived slight by an NBA player and have since become fixated on him in a disturbing way.

Unlike others you mistake fans being loyal, hopeful, optimistic and realistic as being blind fools who can't comprehend the truth about their team.

You are a fanboy, just as fixated just in a negative way. Like a lot of other trolls out there... you mix some good points with a lot of pointless crap.

Posted by: unlike others | July 1, 2008 1:04 PM

"And the fact that he went against his openly-stated preference for the west coast reinforces my point that he did have a high value for money."

Which still doesn't help your argument. If he's all about the money then the Wizards can offer him more money than anyone else. So why would he go to the Warriors?

Posted by: kalorama | July 1, 2008 1:05 PM

hibachiiiiiiiiiiiiiii

Posted by: prescrunk | July 1, 2008 1:06 PM

he, soo anyway.

Good point about the clippers vs GS and DC in that situation. I would say, it really probably won't come down the same way twice.

Whether he flipped a coin or not... I figure if he is homesick now, misses west coast that could be more of a draw, but on the flip side he has been out here for a while, seems to like it so maybe it's not such a big deal to him anymore.
No way for us to really know.

Posted by: g | July 1, 2008 1:10 PM

Well said Unlike Others...

Posted by: CRitch | July 1, 2008 1:10 PM

I'm less worried about Golden State and the Clippers, and more worried that Gilbert lands in China, decides he likes it, and signs with the Shanghai Sharks.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 1, 2008 1:13 PM

"Which still doesn't help your argument. If he's all about the money then the Wizards can offer him more money than anyone else. So why would he go to the Warriors?

Posted by: kalorama | July 1, 2008 1:05 PM "

Again, money is not just salary, but market and endorsements. LA is clearly a bigger market than DC, and being on the west coast allows Gilby better access to the far east's growing market, which is why he's traveling to China. Factor in also Japan's huge video game market and game developers in Cali which Gilby is obviously interested in.

Can't confirm whether the bay area is a bigger market than DC though, but I think Gilby may like Don Nelsons run and gun style compared to the princeton and ayer's new defensive mandates.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 1, 2008 1:15 PM

This year's playoffs was disappointing with Gil getting reinjured and in pain throughout but Caron was also a disappointment. Not only was he INJURED AGAIN (talk about someone being injury prone,) he talked about the Cavs sending a double at him and not being able to HANDLE it. As supposedly the best player left on the floor, you have to be able to handle it otherwise you're nowhere the player many are calling franchise caliber!

He had one good game but really there was a bunch of times he was guarded by Wally or Devin Brown one on one and he just settled for a missed jumper or passed it AROUND THE PERIMETER. He never attacked Wally/Brown going to the rim. On the flip side, he sagged off so much so that Wally took advantage and found his missing stroke. In fact, Wally had a better series than Caron did! WALLY! Terrible.

Caron had his best pro season by far, but he really choked it during these playoffs - how disappointing especially in lieu of everyone calling him this team's best player.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 1, 2008 1:15 PM

Which still doesn't help your argument. If he's all about the money then the Wizards can offer him more money than anyone else. So why would he go to the Warriors?

Posted by: kalorama | July 1, 2008 1:05 PM

Because if he wants the most money, then the power isn't in his hands to choose his destination. It's in the Wizards' hands. He HAS to re-sign with the Wizards. Then the Wiz can do with him what they will - either keep him for the max contract, or trade him for whatever offers present themselves (assuming that GS is willing to give up assets). Predicated on the assumption that he wants the most money, his choice would be to go to a gutted GS team at 6 yrs/$124 mill rather than the current GS team at 5 yrs/$100 mill.

Like I said, all this is highly speculative and highly unlikely, but it's not an impossibility.

Posted by: psps23 | July 1, 2008 1:16 PM

And why in the world would we care about freeing up money for Etan and Daniels? Daniels will be 36 in 3 years and Etan will be gone as soon as his expiring contract becomes attractive to teams.

Posted by: mark | July 1, 2008 1:18 PM

I'm pretty sure DC is a bigger effective market than the bay area.

Now if you look at the official list you will see DC is nine and san fran is 6, but...

The east coast markets are a lot denser geographically and have more influence on each other. GS doesn't have a lot of inter-market interest and couldn't compare to a truly great Wiz team.

Posted by: g | July 1, 2008 1:20 PM

I see what you're saying, Ivan but this team is positioned to win now and we have young guys on board. There is no such thing as flexibility when 3 guys take up almost 40% of your cap. We don't need flexibility. We need to start playing a little defense and win some playoff series'. This team is the one we win or lose with for better or worse. It's talented enough to win now so lets's concentrate on winning now. The horses are at the gate and it's time for the jockey (EJ) to do his work.
It wouldn't hurt to get a top trainer and team doctor, either.

Posted by: mark | July 1, 2008 1:21 PM

Certainly, there were other aspects involved. But he did take more money to be with the Wizards (albeit only slightly more than the Clippers). And the fact that he went against his openly-stated preference for the west coast reinforces my point that he did have a high value for money.

Posted by: psps23 | July 1, 2008 1:03 PM

Again, Gil spoke that he didn't want to play in LA at that time since he thought it was too much of a distraction. That was one of the main reasons he opted for the Wiz instead with almost equivalent offers.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 1, 2008 1:21 PM

And why in the world would we care about freeing up money for Etan and Daniels? Daniels will be 36 in 3 years and Etan will be gone as soon as his expiring contract becomes attractive to teams.

Posted by: mark | July 1, 2008 1:18 PM

Those two might actually become attractive trading assets in the near future with those contracts. I'd like to see us swindle a Pau Gasol type trade off somebody when they get to that point. But I guess we've already pulled one of those in Caron vs. Kwame.

Posted by: psps23 | July 1, 2008 1:21 PM

"Arenas has the right to think this one over while in flight to China."

Posted by: Wayne from Bowie | July 1, 2008 12:33 PM

Shouldn't he be on a slow boat to China? ? :)

Posted by: ps posse | July 1, 2008 1:22 PM

"Caron had his best pro season by far, but he really choked it during these playoffs - how disappointing especially in lieu of everyone calling him this team's best player.

Posted by: | July 1, 2008 1:15 PM "

What could Gilby do with AJ when Caron was out towards the end of the 06-07 with a broken hand?

Nothing..losing 33% of games before he went out with his bum knee...team on downward spiral from 1st place in east at all star break to 7th place (1 game from 8th place) at season end.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 1, 2008 1:23 PM

And why in the world would we care about freeing up money for Etan and Daniels? Daniels will be 36 in 3 years and Etan will be gone as soon as his expiring contract becomes attractive to teams.

Posted by: mark | July 1, 2008 1:18 PM

we wouldn't resign them...their salaries come off the books. that's why we would care.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 1, 2008 1:26 PM

"Again, Gil spoke that he didn't want to play in LA at that time since he thought it was too much of a distraction. That was one of the main reasons he opted for the Wiz instead with almost equivalent offers.

Posted by: | July 1, 2008 1:21 PM "

Sorry, all that is BS from the past. It's all OBE.

Remember, he had his coming out party and now he's fully outed. He wants to be a superstar now, and LA is for superstars.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 1, 2008 1:26 PM

'Swindle' is the perfect word for that one, psps23. I suppose we may need to start looking at AJ replacements within a year or two and the money freed up may help us out.
That's assuming that someone on our current roster doesn't develop. My main concern is that we seem to be looking at the future instead of the present. Why try to build a 'farm system' by looking years down the road when we haven't won a series in a while? We need to win now !

I contend that this team is still built improperly and at some point a major piece will have to be traded. That piece will not be Gil. Having 2 undersized forwards playing major minutes will kill us eventually. I hope not but it's my fear.

Posted by: mark | July 1, 2008 1:28 PM

"Again, Gil spoke that he didn't want to play in LA at that time since he thought it was too much of a distraction. That was one of the main reasons he opted for the Wiz instead with almost equivalent offers.

Posted by: | July 1, 2008 1:21 PM "

Sorry, all that is BS from the past. It's all OBE.

Remember, he had his coming out party and now he's fully outed. He wants to be a superstar now, and LA is for superstars.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 1, 2008 1:26 PM

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For the first time, I agree with DCMan88 on this one. There's no way Gil avoids any city because it's "too much of a distraction." May have been slightly true when he originally said it, but not now.

Posted by: psps23 | July 1, 2008 1:29 PM

BTW, I'm no geography expert but I wasn't aware that Toronto was on the way to China. Maybe I need to get out more.

Posted by: mark | July 1, 2008 1:31 PM

"The east coast markets are a lot denser geographically and have more influence on each other. GS doesn't have a lot of inter-market interest and couldn't compare to a truly great Wiz team.

Posted by: g | July 1, 2008 1:20 PM "

The Bay area is very dense.

Also, as I said, factor in the west coast's proximity to the Far east.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 1, 2008 1:31 PM

"He wants to be a superstar now, and LA is for superstars."

Yeah, he can follow in that proud Clipper tradition of superstars like . .. hmm hold it hold on I got one its coming to me . . . Bill Walton!! yeah. Wait. Danny Manning. no ME!!!!

Posted by: Lamar Odom | July 1, 2008 1:36 PM

Getting back to the topic of AJ...now that he's signed, EJ should move him to the 6th man role...put AB at 4...sink or swim.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 1, 2008 1:36 PM

BTW, I'm no geography expert but I wasn't aware that Toronto was on the way to China. Maybe I need to get out more.

Posted by: mark | July 1, 2008 1:31 PM
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I flew to Southeast Asia from Dulles, we flew over the North Pole, after connecting in Chicago. In fact, my boss connected in Toronto (Pearson Int'l) to fly to Beijing...

This is a very versatile blog...

Posted by: CN | July 1, 2008 1:36 PM


I believe Gilby will bolt to another team for the $$$ but give a lame/weird reason, "I didn't want to hurt the Wiz's ability in the future to improve the team, so I thought it was best that I leave and get the best deal that I could and also give Mr. Pollin a chance to improve the team by signing other talent with the cap space I'll be freeing up by leaving. Both sides win in the end."

The guy is unstable and does things on a whim. He's not the mature-type and he's already a hypocrite about not hampering a team's ability by wanting a max contract. He criticized Garnett for having a large contract in Minnesota and claimed he would never do that. But he changed his mind and is looking out for himself, much like Garnett and other top-tier players. It's about the benjies. PERIOD.

CB3/Tough Juice is the true leader and face of the franchise,yet he's getting gyped big time with contract. He's only pulling in $9.2 million (on average..depending on how his contract is structured...5 years/$46 million in 2005). If that $9.2M number holds true, he's making less than AJ and Gilby.

Buh bye Gilby! Hello NBA Lottery!!! The Wiz haven't improved at all since last season, while every Eastern almost has gotten better roster-wise.

Posted by: Baller4Life | July 1, 2008 1:36 PM

MAN, SINCE THE WARRIORS WANT ARENAS BADLY, WE COULD DO A SIGN AND TRADE WITH THEM. GET ELIS AND BIEDRINS FOR ARENAS AND THAT WILL MORE THAN BE WORTH IT!! AND WE WILL HAVE LOTS OF YOUNG AND GOOD PLAYERS

WE WILL HAVE A STARTING LINE UP OF
ELIS/DANIELS
YOUNG/STEVENSON
BUTLER/MCGUIRE
JAMISON/BLATCHE
BIEDRINS/HAYWOOD/MCGEE

WE CAN BUILT TOWARD THE FUTURE!

Posted by: Anonymous | July 1, 2008 1:39 PM

Roger Mason Jr. Update please

Posted by: Anonymous | July 1, 2008 1:41 PM

Gilby can thank Ivan for telling him that for him to opt out, his papers needed to be submitted much earlier than June 30...like 1 week ahead.

If Gilby had advisers (besides the ones that hang out by the pool and get dry cleaning and fried chicken for him), it shouldn't take a beat reporter to tell him the ins and outs of league rules.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 1, 2008 11:12 AM

So, DC Man88, you're saying that Ivan Carter told Gilbert Arenas to opt out because ??? and Ivan gave him the advice to opt out a week before June 30th...?

By the way, the NORMAL opt out time is June 30th. Which is why we heard YESTERDAY (June 30th) that Elton Brand and Baron Davis opted out.

Gilbert Arenas' contract had a special stipulation that said he had to opt out a week earlier than June 30th.... Unless Ivan Carter read Gilbert Arenas' contract, there's no way Ivan could know that Gilbert had to opt out early....

Gilbert knew, because he read his own contract!

Ivan didn't "tell him the ins and outs of league rules." Ivan Carter only reported facts... ie: Gilbert is opting out earlier than June 30th because his contract is different.

You are wrong again DC idiot!

Posted by: Rook | July 1, 2008 1:43 PM

The point is Gil's done it before and he wasn't so passive (even if unsuccessful). Unlike Caron, who pretty much laid down and let Wally (of all people) get the better of him. Maybe Tuff Juice will try to step it up next time instead of being so passive...

Posted by: Anonymous | July 1, 2008 1:44 PM

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 1, 2008 11:12 AM

So, DC Man88, you're saying that Ivan Carter told Gilbert Arenas to opt out because ??? and Ivan gave him the advice to opt out a week before June 30th...?

By the way, the NORMAL opt out time is June 30th. Which is why we heard YESTERDAY (June 30th) that Elton Brand and Baron Davis opted out.

Gilbert Arenas' contract had a special stipulation that said he had to opt out a week earlier than June 30th.... Unless Ivan Carter read Gilbert Arenas' contract, there's no way Ivan could know that Gilbert had to opt out early....

Gilbert knew, because he read his own contract!

Ivan didn't "tell him the ins and outs of league rules." Ivan Carter only reported facts... ie: Gilbert is opting out earlier than June 30th because his contract is different.

You are wrong again DC idiot!

IF U DONT HAVE NICE THING TO SAY THEN DONT POST IT AT ALL!

Posted by: ak47 | July 1, 2008 1:45 PM

"So, DC Man88, you're saying that Ivan Carter told Gilbert Arenas to opt out because ??? and Ivan gave him the advice to opt out a week before June 30th...?

By the way, the NORMAL opt out time is June 30th. Which is why we heard YESTERDAY (June 30th) that Elton Brand and Baron Davis opted out.

Gilbert Arenas' contract had a special stipulation that said he had to opt out a week earlier than June 30th.... Unless Ivan Carter read Gilbert Arenas' contract, there's no way Ivan could know that Gilbert had to opt out early....

Gilbert knew, because he read his own contract!

Ivan didn't "tell him the ins and outs of league rules." Ivan Carter only reported facts... ie: Gilbert is opting out earlier than June 30th because his contract is different.

You are wrong again DC idiot!

IF U DONT HAVE NICE THING TO SAY THEN DONT POST IT AT ALL!

Posted by: ak47 | July 1, 2008 1:45 PM "

You're an idiot.

Ivan reported here that he informed Gilby that although the opt out date is June 30, Gilby had to file his papers about 1 week beforehand.

Gilby then read his contract and realized it. Then he filed the paperwork.

Go ask Ivan.

Dunce!

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 1, 2008 1:49 PM

"Because if he wants the most money, then the power isn't in his hands to choose his destination. It's in the Wizards' hands."

That directly contradicts everything you've said up to this point, which was predicated on the idea of Arenas choosing to leave to chase more money.

"He HAS to re-sign with the Wizards. Then the Wiz can do with him what they will - either keep him for the max contract, or trade him for whatever offers present themselves (assuming that GS is willing to give up assets). Predicated on the assumption that he wants the most money, his choice would be to go to a gutted GS team at 6 yrs/$124 mill rather than the current GS team at 5 yrs/$100 mill."

Not how it works. The only way the Wizards can execute a S&T with Arenas is if he agrees to it before the deal is signed. They can't sign him then turn around and trade him. After he signs the deal, the soonest they'd be able to move him would be December 15, by which time all of the teams with FA money will have spent it and all of the teams looking to make big roster shake ups will have made them, leaving Washington with an extremely limited number of options other than to keep him.

Your argument still has no legs.

Posted by: kalorama | July 1, 2008 1:50 PM

LMAO

Gil IS COMING BACK! Check the latest post!
All you h8ters are stuck!

I am mad happy!


You won't be to happy in a year or 2 when EG and EJ get fired and they are deseporately trying to trade GIl and Jamison.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 1, 2008 1:50 PM

"The point is Gil's done it before and he wasn't so passive (even if unsuccessful). Unlike Caron, who pretty much laid down and let Wally (of all people) get the better of him. Maybe Tuff Juice will try to step it up next time instead of being so passive...

Posted by: | July 1, 2008 1:44 PM "

Done what before?

Has Gilby ever carried the entire team while Caron was out?

Yes he has.

Gilby carried them from 1st place to 7th place.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 1, 2008 1:50 PM

kalorama(Mr thinks he knows it all)

Is a complete douche.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 1, 2008 1:52 PM

Who on the wizard's wants the ball with the game on the line, HIBACHI!

Who on the wizards has any juice off the court, HIBACHI

We should be happy DC has someone who can attract national attention. Assuming he's knee's ok, a big if, he's worth the max, end of story.

The fact they want him to take less so the can resign, WHO???, let them go and let the young bucks roll.

One and done is a result not just of gil or others in the big three being hurt it's because there bigs can't match up. Maybe this 7.2 NEVADA DUDE can establish a true prescense in the paint that's not been there since big Georgie. Yea that's right how sad is that!

Posted by: jamaltimore | July 1, 2008 1:52 PM

"You won't be to happy in a year or 2 when EG and EJ get fired and they are deseporately trying to trade GIl and Jamison.

Posted by: | July 1, 2008 1:50 PM "

LMAO!

It would be quintessential Curse of Les Boulez(S) though..

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 1, 2008 1:52 PM

I seriously doubt that Ivan read or has access to Arenas' contract -- that is not a public document (to my knowledge). And there is not a "normal" opt out date -- I will agree that most are June 30th but I believe teams will be changing their tune and having the opt out date occur prior to the NBA draft -- who wants to get blindsided like GS did with Baron Davis. I would want to know before I entered the draft whether certain players were going to opt out -- that would influence my draft.

Posted by: Chad | July 1, 2008 1:53 PM

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I seriously doubt that Ivan read or has access to Arenas' contract -- that is not a public document (to my knowledge). And there is not a "normal" opt out date -- I will agree that most are June 30th but I believe teams will be changing their tune and having the opt out date occur prior to the NBA draft -- who wants to get blindsided like GS did with Baron Davis. I would want to know before I entered the draft whether certain players were going to opt out -- that would influence my draft.

Posted by: Chad | July 1, 2008 1:53 PM "

Dude, believe what you will.

Ivan reported it here....he told Gilby about his required filing time.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 1, 2008 1:56 PM

Im going to be laughing at this entire board except DCmann when the wiz struggle to make the playoffs or miss them entirely. Then EJ and EG get fired next will be the rebuilding. We will see how much you guys like these moves once that happens.

Right now with this roster if we have no injuries and everything goes well at best we are a 5 maybe 6 seed and we go home 1st round once again.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 1, 2008 1:59 PM

""Because if he wants the most money, then the power isn't in his hands to choose his destination. It's in the Wizards' hands."

That directly contradicts everything you've said up to this point, which was predicated on the idea of Arenas choosing to leave to chase more money."

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No, it was predicated on Arenas opting out to chase more money. Not the same as leaving.

_____________________________________

"The only way the Wizards can execute a S&T with Arenas is if he agrees to it before the deal is signed. They can't sign him then turn around and trade him."

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Chose my words poorly to convey my meaning. If Arenas wants the most money, he HAS to deal through the Wizards. Therefore, if he wants the most money, the power is in the Wizards' hands. He would either take the Wiz's offer and sign with them for max money, or he would take GS's offer and GS would perform a sign-and-trade with the Wizards. If Gil makes the choice for the most money, it ends up being the Wizards' gain, one way or another.

Posted by: psps23 | July 1, 2008 2:00 PM

You're an idiot.

Ivan reported here that he informed Gilby that although the opt out date is June 30, Gilby had to file his papers about 1 week beforehand.

Gilby then read his contract and realized it. Then he filed the paperwork.

Go ask Ivan.

Dunce!

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 1, 2008 1:49 PM

Oh really?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/06/03/AR2008060303041.html

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/wizardsinsider/2008/06/arenas_update_ii.html

What do those IC posts articles and posts say? NOWHERE does it say IC pointed the earlier date to Gil.

So who's the IDIOT?! DUNCE!

Posted by: Anonymous | July 1, 2008 2:00 PM

Anyway to catch the press conference live?

Posted by: Anonymous | July 1, 2008 2:00 PM

DCMan88 -- http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/06/03/AR2008060303041.html

This is Ivan's article -- says Arenas looked over his contract, nothing about Ivan telling him about it. Also, Arenas opted out a week before the 20th so regardless, Arenas opted out way in advance.

Posted by: Chad | July 1, 2008 2:01 PM

"So, DC Man88, you're saying that Ivan Carter told Gilbert Arenas to opt out because ??? and Ivan gave him the advice to opt out a week before June 30th...?

By the way, the NORMAL opt out time is June 30th. Which is why we heard YESTERDAY (June 30th) that Elton Brand and Baron Davis opted out.

Gilbert Arenas' contract had a special stipulation that said he had to opt out a week earlier than June 30th.... Unless Ivan Carter read Gilbert Arenas' contract, there's no way Ivan could know that Gilbert had to opt out early....

Gilbert knew, because he read his own contract!

Ivan didn't "tell him the ins and outs of league rules." Ivan Carter only reported facts... ie: Gilbert is opting out earlier than June 30th because his contract is different.

You are wrong again DC idiot!

IF U DONT HAVE NICE THING TO SAY THEN DONT POST IT AT ALL!

Posted by: ak47 | July 1, 2008 1:45 PM "

You're an idiot.

Ivan reported here that he informed Gilby that although the opt out date is June 30, Gilby had to file his papers about 1 week beforehand.

Gilby then read his contract and realized it. Then he filed the paperwork.

Go ask Ivan.

Dunce!

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 1, 2008 1:49 PM





Don't let falsehoods and lies keep you from bashing Gilbert Arenas -

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/wizardsinsider/2008/06/arenas_update_ii.html

Ivan Carter DID NOT TELL Arenas to opt out...

As he clearly reported in his blog entry:

"Today's story on Gilbert Arenas and his plans for the summer raised some questions so I got number zero on the horn tonight and tried to clarify a few things:

-Gilbert told me that after looking at his contract today, he actually needs to file paperwork for opting out by June 20th, 10 days before the June 30th deadline. Free agency opens July 1. Arenas said he still plans on doing so as soon as late next week. He said he'll have a lawyer look it all over and make sure everything is tight. " By Ivan Carter | June 2, 2008; 9:45 PM ET

Posted by: Rook | July 1, 2008 2:04 PM

What a dunce!

Posted by: Anonymous | July 1, 2008 2:06 PM

There is NO RECORD anywhere of Ivan Carter telling Arenas that he "had to file his papers about 1 week beforehand"... (except in your twisted mind)...

There is a substantiated written record of what Ivan has reported - so you should be careful of your facts in the future.

Posted by: Rook | July 1, 2008 2:08 PM

welcome back to the Bay, Gilbert! haha!

Posted by: crayonz | July 1, 2008 2:09 PM

FACTS?! What are those?!

Posted by: DCMan 88 | July 1, 2008 2:09 PM

DC Man88: Facts? Facts? I don't need no stinking Facts! -

Posted by: Anonymous | July 1, 2008 2:10 PM

Open big mouth and insert foot here! lmao

Posted by: Anonymous | July 1, 2008 2:10 PM

LOL - what a moran !

Posted by: DC Man with 8.8% of a brain | July 1, 2008 2:13 PM

Everybody better cool out.

Posted by: Prison Balls | July 1, 2008 2:16 PM

It is so delightful that the consummate professional(Jamison) is back. I thought he was worth more but he took that amount so this team could pay others. I doff my hat in utmost respect for his selfless devotion. We now need to start a "Bring back Roger Mason Jr." campaign. I need Gil to support this cause. Anyone else? How best could we do this? This guy rejected San Antonio for the love of DC and our beloved team. He is our own and he wants to be here. Let's keep him home. No "this is business" excuses.

Posted by: CEO | July 1, 2008 2:17 PM

I rarely agree with 88 but I think that putting AJ in a sixth man role and letting AB sink or swim is a great idea. It's time to see what we have with AB. If we're truly committed to getting better defensively, changes have to be made.
Now, back to our regularly scheduled program (disagreeing with most of what 88 says).....

Posted by: mark | July 1, 2008 2:18 PM

CEO, Your post reads like Mr. French from Family Affair. I may be dating myself here. LOL.

Posted by: mark | July 1, 2008 2:19 PM

"No, it was predicated on Arenas opting out to chase more money. Not the same as leaving."

It's exactly the same. The only way he can leave to chase more money is to opt out and sign a bigger deal, either directly as a FA or in a S&T. There'd be no chance of him going anywhere if he hadn't opted out.

Posted by: kalorama | July 1, 2008 2:21 PM

EG=WORST GM IN THE LEAGUE. There goes his job in a year or 2.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 1, 2008 2:23 PM

Yes...Keep Roger in the building. You got it right CEO.

Posted by: Buju Banton | July 1, 2008 2:27 PM

"LOL - what a moran !

Posted by: DC Man with 8.8% of a brain | July 1, 2008 2:13 PM "

My point is that Ivan had to bring it to Gilby's attention, and I was right about that. Learn how to spell MORON! LMAO!!

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 1, 2008 2:32 PM

If Gil doesn't come back, everything collapses -- Grunfeld's team-building strategy will be a shambles. It all hinges on a healthy, happy Arenas.

It does NOT, on the other hand, hinge on Jamison. He's a great guy, great leader, and a very good basketball player. But he was so exposed in the playoffs. His lack of bulk and defense killed the Wiz. I agree with those who think Blatche needs to start, and sink or swim. It won't happen; no chance at all -- you don't give a guy $12 million/year to come off the bench -- but I'd like to see it as an experiment. If Andray can't cut it, move him back to the pine.

Again, I'm daydreaming here. But the team has pieces, if they can come together. I mean, it's not possible to be devastated by injuries three seasons in a row, is it?

Posted by: Keithinator | July 1, 2008 2:32 PM

"There is NO RECORD anywhere of Ivan Carter telling Arenas that he "had to file his papers about 1 week beforehand"... (except in your twisted mind)...

There is a substantiated written record of what Ivan has reported - so you should be careful of your facts in the future.

Posted by: Rook | July 1, 2008 2:08 PM "

Scoreboard:

Rook: 2
Me: 4

Just like the Cavs vs Wiz! LMAO!!

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 1, 2008 2:34 PM

"Open big mouth and insert foot here! lmao

Posted by: | July 1, 2008 2:10 PM "

At least I'm talented enough to do so. Get a life, loser! LMAO!!

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 1, 2008 2:35 PM

It is so delightful that the consummate professional(Jamison) is back. I thought he was worth more but he took that amount so this team could pay others. I doff my hat in utmost respect for his selfless devotion. We now need to start a "Bring back Roger Mason Jr." campaign. I need Gil to support this cause. Anyone else? How best could we do this? This guy rejected San Antonio for the love of DC and our beloved team. He is our own and he wants to be here. Let's keep him home. No "this is business" excuses.

Posted by: CEO | July 1, 2008 2:17 PM

As much as I love Roger, him AND Arenas coming back would deplete either Young's and/or his playing time. We can always use depth, I'd rather see Nick Young's game grow.

Plus, Roger would probably be better off himself going elsewhere for an opportunity.

Posted by: psps23 | July 1, 2008 2:36 PM

"LOL - what a moran !

Posted by: DC Man with 8.8% of a brain | July 1, 2008 2:13 PM "

My point is that Ivan had to bring it to Gilby's attention, and I was right about that. Learn how to spell MORON! LMAO!!

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 1, 2008 2:32 PM

Your point is WRONG. And has been pointed out as wrong.

You have been saying (over and over again) that Ivan Carter had to inform Arenas that he needed to opt out early.... That is false.

Arenas informed Ivan Carter that he had read his own contract and found out that he needed to opt out 10-days before June 30th.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 1, 2008 2:40 PM

DC Man88 - just admit you were wrong and move on...

Plenty of hating can be done on other aspects of Gilbert Arenas' career and off-court life.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 1, 2008 2:41 PM

It's exactly the same. The only way he can leave to chase more money is to opt out and sign a bigger deal, either directly as a FA or in a S&T. There'd be no chance of him going anywhere if he hadn't opted out.

Posted by: kalorama | July 1, 2008 2:21 PM

Not quite sure what you're getting at. And I'm not quite sure how you figure "opting out" and "leaving" are exactly the same. If he opts out and re-signs for a max contract, then he hasn't left AND he's chased more money.

Posted by: psps23 | July 1, 2008 2:43 PM

you guys can knock anyone on this team, but don't start knocking Grunfeld... just do a quick comparison to the Wes Unseld years (anyone remember Labradford Smith? Juwan Howard for $126large?) and you can see what it means to be a great Executive. Nick Young, Dom McGuire and Blatche in the 2nd Round (?!?!?!), Arenas' first contract, C'mon!!!
Ernie is the man.

Posted by: hippynate | July 1, 2008 2:47 PM

"DC Man88 - just admit you were wrong and move on...

Plenty of hating can be done on other aspects of Gilbert Arenas' career and off-court life.

Posted by: | July 1, 2008 2:41 PM "

You are wrong, which is obvious, since you won't sign off on your posts, Anon! LOL!

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 1, 2008 2:48 PM

"I mean, it's not possible to be devastated by injuries three seasons in a row, is it?"

They've already been devastated by injuries 3 years in a row.

In the 05-06 season:

Butler hurt his hand late in the regular season, missed the last few games and went into the playoffs with a broken thumb on his shooting hand. (They called it a "sprain" at the time but after the playoffs, Caron admitted it was broken.)

Etan Thomas missed about 11 regular season games with injuries. He came back for the playoffs and proceeded to re-injure his abdominal muscle after 3 games in the first round.

Posted by: kalorama | July 1, 2008 2:51 PM

And remember, we just got $500k from the Bill Walker trade. So we actually offered a 6 yr/$123.5 million contract, figuratively speaking.

Posted by: psps23 | July 1, 2008 2:52 PM

Man Gilbert is done we should let him go and try to sign Elton Brand. Move Jamison to the 3 Caron to the 2 and let Daniels start. Resign Roger and were good to go. We did better without Arenas anyways.

Posted by: Sean | July 1, 2008 3:00 PM

Can anyone explain the team's fascination with Etan Thomas? I don't mean to pick on the guy after he had a heart procedure, but it wasn't as if he was a 20 point/10 rebound a night guy in the league, or anything close to it, before his illness. Some nights - many nights - he managed five or six points and five or six boards, hardly the stuff of legend, much less making him worth millions of dollars. The guy seems more interested in poetry and music than scoring and rebounding - let's move on and let him sign somewhere that's more sensitive. Freeing up money to sign Etan hardly seems worth the effort...

Posted by: Brendan | July 1, 2008 3:00 PM

And remember, we just got $500k from the Bill Walker trade. So we actually offered a 6 yr/$123.5 million contract, figuratively speaking.

Posted by: psps23 | July 1, 2008 2:52 PM

LOL - yeah, that $500K sure looks like a paltry sum.... compared to what that "cheapskate" Abe Polin is willing to pay Jamison ($50 Million dollars) and Arenas ($124 Million Dollars) ...

Posted by: Rook | July 1, 2008 3:02 PM

I hope Gil leaves so that all this BS discussion can end and we can start talking about winning championships.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 1, 2008 3:02 PM

Somewhere over the Pacific, a young African American man sitting in first class lifts his slightly hooded eyes and says to the flight attendant with just the hint of a smile, "You do serve Cristal on Cathay Pacific, don't you?"


Posted by: khrabin | July 1, 2008 3:04 PM

EG, Please re-sign Roger and keep Daniels happy as well. We are coming..let the East under-rate us. We'd kick some b*tts.

Posted by: Mama Lucia | July 1, 2008 3:06 PM

NEVERRR!!!

Any team Gilby's on will always be mediocre because Gilby is a self centered ball hog.

Live with it.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 1, 2008 3:08 PM

"Freeing up money to sign Etan hardly seems worth the effort..."

Who said anything about freeing up money to sign Etan?

Posted by: kalorama | July 1, 2008 3:10 PM

Somewhere over the Pacific, a young African American man sitting in first class lifts his slightly hooded eyes and says to the flight attendant with just the hint of a smile, "You do serve Cristal on Cathay Pacific, don't you?"


Posted by: khrabin | July 1, 2008 3:04 PM

Flight Attendant: We can mix it will Kool Aid if you want.

Posted by: Rough Ryder | July 1, 2008 3:10 PM

lots of smoke. THATS ALL.
wizards are bidding against themselves.
PERIOD!!!

Posted by: dk | July 1, 2008 3:11 PM

I guess no one knows how good we were when we had all three healty; first in east should mean something. What the Wizards need is to give Gilbert the contract that he deserves and get another defensive minded player in free agency who can help take this team to the next level.

Posted by: Sean V | July 1, 2008 3:16 PM

"I guess no one knows how good we were when we had all three healty; first in east should mean something. What the Wizards need is to give Gilbert the contract that he deserves and get another defensive minded player in free agency who can help take this team to the next level.

Posted by: Sean V | July 1, 2008 3:16 PM "

Sorry dude, but a lot of teams in the East have gotten much better since the much ballyhooed success 3 seasons ago that unfortunately went from 1st to 7th place when all was said and done.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 1, 2008 3:19 PM

Hey DCMan, not that we want Gilbert to go elsewhere but on the off chance he does, will you promise to leave too?

Please?

Posted by: Cluelessone88 | July 1, 2008 3:22 PM

Who said anything about freeing up money to sign Etan?
-Kalorama

Still, he hasn't yet officially agreed to a deal and the Wizards would like to get Arenas at a number that will allow them some roster and cap flexibility not only next season but two and three years down the road when the contracts of Antonio Daniels and Etan Thomas come up.
- Ivan Carter

Ivan started this string with a few paragraphs about caps etc., one of which oddly posed the aforementioned strategy.

Posted by: Myshkin | July 1, 2008 3:23 PM

Good Point DCMan however still they need to fill up those seats and Gilbert is capable of doing that. He may not as gifted as LeBron, Wade or even Melo but he is an electrifying player who can hit that winning shot at any time

Posted by: Sean V | July 1, 2008 3:28 PM

"Ivan started this string with a few paragraphs about caps etc., one of which oddly posed the aforementioned strategy."

I saw that. I took (and still take) it to have nothing to do with re-signing Daniels or Thomas. I believe he's talking about cap flexibility which, when combined with the then-expiring contracts of Daniels and Thomas, will allow the Wizards to be active in deal making to upgrade the roster.

Posted by: kalorama | July 1, 2008 3:32 PM

And I think the key point is in Ivan's Blog where he says "Arenas told me..."
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/wizardsinsider/2008/06/arenas_update_ii.html

Posted by: Chad | July 1, 2008 3:33 PM

Did anyone see or hear anything about the Jamison press conference? Contract Details? Anything said about Gil?

Posted by: Ben | July 1, 2008 3:36 PM

I saw that. I took (and still take) it to have nothing to do with re-signing Daniels or Thomas. I believe he's talking about cap flexibility which, when combined with the then-expiring contracts of Daniels and Thomas, will allow the Wizards to be active in deal making to upgrade the roster.

Posted by: kalorama | July 1, 2008 3:32 PM

You're right but Ivan's comment presumes as a given that the Wiz would not re-sign AD & ET, (certainly not at what ET is making now) slightly confusing; anyway that's where the comment came from. Thanks for the clarification.

Posted by: Myshkin | July 1, 2008 3:43 PM

Once we sign Gilbert, who else do you think will help this team out?

Posted by: Sean V | July 1, 2008 3:46 PM

Ernie Grunfeld's Negotiating Strategy:

1. Open vault
2. Tell player to take anything he wants

Posted by: Anonymous | July 1, 2008 3:47 PM

Ernie Grunfeld's Negotiating Strategy:

1. Open vault
2. Tell player to take anything he wants

Posted by: | July 1, 2008 3:47 PM

Yup, that's exactly how the Jared Jeffries, Larry Hughes, DeShawn Stevenson and Andray Blatche deals went down.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 1, 2008 3:56 PM

Let's pretend Gil signs with the Warriors and leaves Le Wiz high and dry. Then what? What does Ernie do with all of that available money? Baron Davis will be gone. The rest of the free agents suck. Agent Zero had better decide fast or else I say we have Prison Balls visit him with that shank he's always talking about....

Posted by: Just wondering | July 1, 2008 4:00 PM

Honestly I sick and tired of people saying that they are 'sick and tired' of the one and dones in the playoffs. Of course I would love to see the Wizards go deep in the playoffs and eventually win a Championship, but to say that they essentially accomplished little is unfair, especially if you remember the pre-Gil Wizards (which even featured Your Airness, himself). They have made the playoffs four years in row (the Pistons the only other team in the East to do that). And if you look at the last two seasons they have been hit by the injury bug (Eddie Jordan coached the All-Star game two seasons ago-- meaning that they had the best record in the East-- then the injury bug hit them).

Honestly I like the chances of the Wizards going further in the playoffs next, that is if everyone stays healthy. Even if Gil is not 100% I like Gil at 85% then Gil at 0% (Gil suited up in another uniform), even at the max. Gil is a great player and once and for all the Wizards ARE NOT BETTER WITHOUT HIM. I think it would be a bigger risk to let Gil go (assuming that he won't be the same Gil before the injury)then letting Gil go play in LA and average 26 and 5.

Posted by: Jon21211114 | July 1, 2008 4:03 PM

"Hey DCMan, not that we want Gilbert to go elsewhere but on the off chance he does, will you promise to leave too?

Please?

Posted by: Cluelessone88 | July 1, 2008 3:22 PM "

I'll leave when I see a news report that you jumped the fence at 1600 Penn.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 1, 2008 4:05 PM

gil aint worth it

Posted by: playa | July 1, 2008 4:06 PM

Any Big Three contract should have a huge 50 win incentive for each year. Sick of .500 complacency and athletes saying the only games that 'really matter' are the ones they manage not to lose.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 1, 2008 4:06 PM

Gilby should really leave for Golden State. The offense under Nellie suits him much better, the sushi is fresher, wine country, closer to the far east, the Chinatown is better, etc. It's a win win.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 1, 2008 4:06 PM

any updates from the press conference ivan?

Posted by: NJ | July 1, 2008 4:07 PM


"Bon voyage Gilby!"

Posted by: Baller4Life | July 1, 2008 4:09 PM

I really like the way people on here are SOOOO disturbed by Jamison and Arenas making so much money with their new contracts. It really hurts them where it hurts the most - right in the Wizards budget and Abe Pollin's pocketbook. They are forever in search of the greener grass, the better player on the left coast, the better GM who makes no mistakes.
Way to Go Wizards fans!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | July 1, 2008 4:09 PM

Trade Idea:

Washington Gets: Kevin Martin, Beno Udrih, Ron Artest (expiring), Mikki Moore

Sacramento Gets: Gilbert Arenas, Antonio Daniels, Oliesky Pecherov

Posted by: Jason | July 1, 2008 4:10 PM


Gilby will be laughing all the way to the bank at the Wiz's expense.

Posted by: Baller4Life | July 1, 2008 4:11 PM

I'll bet EG had buyer's remorse when he inked AJ and then found out afterwards that Brand hit the market.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 1, 2008 4:11 PM

What I'm reading on the RealGM boards is that someone on the John Thompson Show said the Wizards' offer to Arenas is 6 years @ $127 million.

Which is just a rumor I guess (so far)--but is there really anyone on this board who seriously believes that a shot-jacking point guard who doesn't play defense and is coming off two major knee surgeries is worth that much? Kevin, Kobe, or LeBron, yes. Anyone else (like an uninjured Arenas from 2 years ago), maybe. But as matters stand now?

Posted by: KTV | July 1, 2008 4:14 PM

In Grunfeld I trust.

Posted by: LouisTheRogue | July 1, 2008 4:15 PM

NO MAX DEAL FOR ARENAS!!!!!

I'm just waiting for him to sign that deal, and have him blow up his knee and the Wizards end up dragged down by his contract the next 6 years just like Orlando was with the Grant Hill deal.

DON'T DO IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: 761-091 | July 1, 2008 4:16 PM

Hey watch it, don't insult my boy Antonio Daniels, thats Bowling Green's finenst.

Posted by: IKNOWIT | July 1, 2008 4:16 PM

SIGN ELTON BRAND

SIGN ELTON BRAND, SIGN ELTON BRAND SIGN ELTON BRAND.

ANY QUESTION. GOOD. SIGN ELTON BRAND.

Posted by: dk | July 1, 2008 4:17 PM

PLEASE STOP CALLING HIM GILBY. HE IS A GROWN ASS MAN. THAT SOUNDS SOOOO, UM CHILDISHLY FEMININE.

Posted by: BIGMIKEREESE | July 1, 2008 4:22 PM

"PLEASE STOP CALLING HIM GILBY. HE IS A GROWN ASS MAN. THAT SOUNDS SOOOO, UM CHILDISHLY FEMININE.

Posted by: BIGMIKEREESE | July 1, 2008 4:22 PM "

Gilby is quirky diva prone to hissy fits...the name Gilby fits perfectly.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 1, 2008 4:24 PM

ALL YOU GILBERT HATERS GET ANOTHER TEAM. MY MAN AINT GOIN NOWHERE YOU HATERS. IF HE WASNT MAKING SO MUCH YOU WOULDNT BE TALKIN BAD ABOUT HIM. HIS MONEY SHOULDNT FUEL YOUR HATRID. BE MAD AT CRACKHEAD- IF HE COULD HIT A JUMPER WE WOULDA TRADED GIL.

Posted by: BIGMIKEREESE | July 1, 2008 4:28 PM

For everyone who is tired of "one and done" and want Gil to leave.....how does "none and done" sound?

Posted by: Patrick | July 1, 2008 4:28 PM

I like to know how many TRUE Wizards fan are on this site? I don't believe anyone in here is a true fan if you were you wouldn't talk so much trash. BUTTOM LINE IS WITHOUT GILBERT THIS TEAM WILL GO NO WHERE ANYTIME SOON. Stop pretending and getting real Twan signed a contract for less so that GIL will sign. You might call Gilbert Gilby or whatever but you can't take Loyalty away from him. He has been loyal to US and REAL fans know that

Posted by: Sean V | July 1, 2008 4:32 PM

How does one go about blowing up one's knee. Do you need to order something out of the ACME catalog?

Posted by: W. E. Coyote Esq | July 1, 2008 4:32 PM

I have to resign with the Wizards, because otherwise, DC Man88 would have no reason to live.

Posted by: Gilby | July 1, 2008 4:40 PM

What do we need to get to the next level?

Posted by: Sean V | July 1, 2008 4:44 PM

Hey guys...I'm almost to China. I was gonna resign for $90 mil, but reading all these insults has made me change my mind. I'm going to Golden State. To all you haters, cheers. I'll see you when I come back to DC and drop 75 on you. No one on the Wiz can guard me.

Peace
-G.A.

Posted by: Gilbert Arenas | July 1, 2008 4:46 PM


"Gilby, Gilby, Gilby, Gilby." Hahahaha.

Posted by: Baller4Life | July 1, 2008 4:46 PM

I am actually LeBron and I managed to get G.A to sign with Golden State cause I am afraid to see him dropping 75 on us no make that 90. HA HA HA. Do you think for one minute Gilbert would read all this crap .. don't think so .. so G.A who ever you are NICE TRY

Posted by: Sean V | July 1, 2008 4:50 PM


What do we need to get to the next level?

Posted by: Sean V | July 1, 2008 4:44 PM

A miracle. Buhahhhahahahaha

Posted by: Baller4Life | July 1, 2008 4:51 PM

". I'll see you when I come back to DC and drop 75 on you. No one on the Wiz can guard me.

Peace
-G.A.

Posted by: Gilbert Arenas | July 1, 2008 4:46 PM "

LOL. I know this was written as satire, but sadly, it's true. Nobody on the Wiz would have a hope of guarding Gil.

Posted by: babbtong | July 1, 2008 4:51 PM

What do we need to get to the next level?

Posted by: Sean V | July 1, 2008 4:44 PM

-------------------------------------------

Mrs. James getting a 93rd trimester abortion.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 1, 2008 4:57 PM

Gilbert resigned before he left this morning, deal will be announced later tonight

Posted by: Antwan Jamison | July 1, 2008 4:58 PM

Wizards will win the 2009 NBA Championship!!

Posted by: WizFan | July 1, 2008 5:05 PM

Gilbert = NBA Championship

Posted by: RS | July 1, 2008 5:14 PM

Agent zero is not a $127- M player.
As a Point Guard he does not run the Offence with precision like a Chris Paul or a Tony Parker.
Plus he is a Shoot First kind a Guard. Then he has defensive weaknesses which he refuses to address and gets pissed with the Coach when it comes up.
Plus he has the knee issue. Has he fully recovered? He only played about 16 Games last year and the team still made the Playoffs without him.
Why do we want to hamstring the team with this monster contract?. A contract that you will not be able to move. Remember Jauwan Howard?. A sign and trade will be a better move. Elton Brand and Corey Magette will ad more to the Wizzards than Gil alone . Sign him for the Max and trade him to the Clippers

Posted by: Carprin | July 1, 2008 5:14 PM


Gilby is looking out for Gilby. Anyone who thinks otherwise is delusional.

Posted by: Baller4Life | July 1, 2008 5:14 PM

Also, as I first reported late last night/early this morning, the Golden State Warriors made a play by offering five years and $101 million.. The Sacramento Kings also made overtures but since Ron Artest did not opt out, I don't see how in the world they could make a real offer.

The team is having a 2:30 press confernce for Jamison at the Verizon Center.

By Ivan Carter | July 1, 2008; 12:20 PM ET

Ummmm...how can do we know for sure if Ivan was really the "first to report." The Washington Times reporter Mike Jones wrote a better piece in their paper and had more detailed info.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 1, 2008 5:18 PM

Gilby is looking out for Gilby. Anyone who thinks otherwise is delusional.

Posted by: Baller4Life | July 1, 2008 5:14 PM

I know, he's so evil. Seriously, there's probably not a more evil sports figure out there. We should try and get Elton Brand or Baron Davis who opted out of their contracts for their teammates sake.

Posted by: psps23 | July 1, 2008 5:20 PM

"As I first reported" means something different from "as I reported first". The former means "my previous report" and the latter means "I beat everyone by reporting first"

Posted by: Anonymous | July 1, 2008 5:26 PM

Plus he is a Shoot First kind a Guard. Then he has defensive weaknesses
Posted by: Carprin | July 1, 2008 5:14 PM

Carprin, Tony Parker is ALSO a Shoot first point guard, and he also is bad at defense as has been pointed out by many journalists.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 1, 2008 5:29 PM

"I first reported" is different from "I was first to report." Please focus more on how insanely expensive Gilbert is becoming and less on who was first to report worthless information about the Kings.

P.S. The Washington Times is reporting that the press conference for Jamison is at 2:30pm. ummmmm...how can do we know for sure if Ivan got the time right if he didn't even specify whether the presser was in the AM or PM!

Posted by: semantics | July 1, 2008 5:29 PM

GA > DCM88+10000000000000000

Posted by: DCM is an idiot | July 1, 2008 5:35 PM

If the 6yr 124-127 mil figure is correct, it just might be a stroke of genius on EG's part...

"Look Gilbert, we think you're worth the max, and we're willing to pay you whatever it takes to keep you here. In fact, here's the contract to prove it! BUT.... If you sign it, just know that we're gonna be hamstrung in getting you the help you will need to enter the championship hunt..."

Risky, but really the only way to both stroke his ego and attempt to remain flexible enough to pay CB what he's worth in 2 years and still add a few nice pieces a year or two down the line. And the strategy fits in perfectly with Gil's persona. He's "got a number in mind", so make him show his hand... No agent in the way to cloud (or clarify lol) his judgement. Make him live up to his words. Make him decide between money and championships. Put the ball in his court, that's where his ego wants it to be.

It may really be the only way, if you think about it.

Posted by: jones-y | July 1, 2008 5:37 PM

I was just thinking that jones-y.
as been mentioned before, Ernie didn't just fall off the turnip truck especially when there are no agents involved.

Posted by: Victor | July 1, 2008 5:40 PM

Nobody on the Wiz would have a hope of guarding Gil.

Posted by: babbtong | July 1, 2008 4:51 PM

No one person on any team can guard him. He would roast the wiz team D, but you could say that for every club except a few.

Posted by: jones-y | July 1, 2008 5:40 PM

"Im going to be laughing at this entire board except DCmann when the wiz struggle to make the playoffs or miss them entirely."

But won't it be difficult to laugh with your head in DCman's lap?

Posted by: Chris | July 1, 2008 5:40 PM

"Im going to be laughing at this entire board except DCmann when the wiz struggle to make the playoffs or miss them entirely."

But won't it be difficult to laugh with your head in DCman's lap?

Posted by: Chris | July 1, 2008 5:40 PM

Ding Ding Ding!

Posted by: DCM is Sitting on Pole Position | July 1, 2008 5:43 PM

I think the wizards are crazy. They played better in the playoffs when Arenas sat down.It is imcomprehensible that they would lock themselves into one player for so many years with so many young up and coming guys.I think the wizards are going to regret it.

Posted by: Boggled | July 1, 2008 5:50 PM

Very nice press conference with Pollin, Grunfled and Jamison... The one with Gilbert should be interesting too! DcMan, have the WIzards PR guys given you press credentials yet?

Posted by: khrabb | July 1, 2008 6:01 PM

"I think the wizards are crazy. They played better in the playoffs when Arenas sat down.It is imcomprehensible that they would lock themselves into one player for so many years with so many young up and coming guys.I think the wizards are going to regret it."

They played better without a gimp arenas, with a healthy arenas (100%) you would just be plain stupid to say we play better without him. He's been nursing that knee for awhile now, i think he will be 80-100% this coming year. In the games we saw him last year he was what 50% at best?

Come on now, say we don't get the deal done with arenas who do you guys really think we should sing then? wait until 2010 when guys like Lebron,Wade and stoudimire are available....why the hell would they want to play here anyway.

So all you people saying dont' sing arenas who do you propose we sing then?

Posted by: Johansen | July 1, 2008 6:01 PM

As I first reported" means something different from "as I reported first".
----

Ivan got scooped on the Gilby deal. Hahahaa.

Posted by: Baller4Life | July 1, 2008 6:05 PM


Did Pollin attend the press conference for Jamison? As much I dislike how Pollin mismanaged the team prior to MJ and Grunfeld, I hope he's doing okay healthwise.

Posted by: Baller4Life | July 1, 2008 6:07 PM


"Gilby, Gilby, Gilby." Hahahaha.

Posted by: Baller4Life | July 1, 2008 6:09 PM

Forget Gilbert. Let's give a max to Sun Ming Ming.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 1, 2008 6:24 PM


Echooooooooooooooo...echhooooooooooooooo...

Giiiilllllbbbbbbyyyyyyyyyy......Giillllllbbbbbbbyyyy..

"Ciiiinnnnnnnddddyyyyyyyy....Bobbbbbbbbbbbyyyyyyyy." - Mike Brady


"Ciiiiinnnndddddddyyyyyy.....Bobbbbbbbbbyyyy." - Carol Brady & Alice.

"Ciiinnnnndddddyyyyyyyy.....Bobbbbbbbyyyyy." - Mike Brady

To Be Continued.. Hahhahaha.

Posted by: Baller4Life | July 1, 2008 6:25 PM

Baller4Life, Mr. Pollin did attend the presser for Jamison. Said he thinks the world of Jamison and compared him to Wes Unseld for both his play and his leadership. Mr. Pollin said "I'm old and sick but I don't plan on going anywhere until we win the GD championship."

Posted by: Anonymous | July 1, 2008 6:33 PM

Just watched the Jamison press conference. Man Abe is not looking too good. For all the criticizing he gets, he really has been a great owner. For all the giant corporations taking over everything out there, very few family businesses anymore. It's actually been pretty cool having a hands on owner who really makes character and doing things the right way a priority. I will miss him alot when he's gone. And for all the great things he's done, more than anything he will probably go down in history most remembered as the man who fired Michael Jordan. I really wish we could get him another championship!

Posted by: Darnell | July 1, 2008 6:45 PM

If that's true, let him go to Golden State! That's 21 million a year! Then we can sign Baron Davis for less money, who's a better true point guard than Gilbert!

Posted by: Anonymous | July 1, 2008 6:46 PM

I say sign Arenas. The Wizards match up well with the Celtics. They were the only team to beat the Celtics three out of four games in the regular season. Well, I know the playoffs are different from the regular season-but it would have been an interesting playoff series if the Wizards and Celtics met against each other.

Posted by: Del | July 1, 2008 6:46 PM

Arenas for six years will ruin this team. We were the same team without him last year. Sure, we missed his explosiveness, but had better distribution, players had more shots and got into the groove of the game. Imagine what we could do with a real PG like Calderon or B. Davis... we'd have even better chemistry and distribution, definitely better defense, more leadership and, at least in the case of Calderon, more cap space to sign what we've lacked since the days of Moses... a legitimate big. Unless you have Air Jordan, or the freakish chemistry of the Bad Boy-era Detroit Pistons, good bigs win championships. Period. With Arenas and a perimeter team, we will be Run TMC on hobbled, injury-prone legs. Entertaining, best case, or, worst case, playing with 9 players like last year with injuries, but getting nowhere fast in the playoffs. If this team could handle its 'superstar' and have him rehabilitate properly, maybe the injury concern wouldn't be there. But they couldn't, and Arenas was too self-absorbed to listen to doctors, and now HE IS A MASSIVE INJURY RISK. Why ruin your cap for six years for a player who has missed significant time for two years running? He is a SPEED player, without it, he can not perform. Giving him six years at max or near max is INSANE. It's rolling the dice on the fate of the team for six years in a single decision. Wrong decision, and we'll be bad or mediocre until 2014. I've watched this team suck or be mediocre since 1981... I don't wanna wait another six years for the Wiz to have a chance to be great. Even if Arenas is at 100 per cent, does anyone honestly believe that we have the personnel to win a championship? At best, and at full health, we are the 4th or 5th seed in the East as is.

Posted by: KGrevey | July 1, 2008 6:51 PM

Arenas was drafted by Chris Mullin when no one else knew how good he was. GS signed him to more than the 2nd round prescribed salary as a way of "apologizing" to him and recognizing how underrated he was. GS could offer a max of $5 million due to NBA rules (since changed) while DC offered $8 million. Mullin let Arenas know how much he valued him, but understood Arenas would go for the money. Areans left on good terms and still has many friends (including Mullin) in GS front office. Arenas will look at both teams and decide who can get him a ring first, IMO, as one more guaranteed year is not a difference maker. As far as loyalty, who believed in him when noone else did?

Posted by: Oaktown Boy | July 1, 2008 6:55 PM

Yes we have the chemistry to win the championship; you have to judge this team when they are all healthy and we just need defensive mind big man and they are ways to get that .. We NEED GILBERT period. If you think Baron is a better player you are mistaken .. He might be a better assist leader but he is no where close to Gilbert as far as shooting goes.

Posted by: Sean V | July 1, 2008 6:58 PM

All you people who are NOT fans of Washington Wizards and pray for him to leave .. I have a gut feeling many of you are from west coast hoping miracle will take place. WRONG .. TWAN signed GILBERT is next .. sorry :)

Posted by: Sean V | July 1, 2008 7:06 PM

After watching the press conference with Antwan, Im going to stop worrying about him not resigning. Gilbert said he wouldn't come back if we didn't sing Twan we got on that right away and honerd his wishes. He has stated he wants to come back to Washington, he had the most success of his career here, the city loves him for the most part. (minus the Ivan blog haters, i think the majority of the area is behind him)

Although it's Gil so i expect this to drag out a bit, give the basketball world things to write,complain and speculate about. But in the end i think he will most definitely be back in a Wizards jersey next year.

And as far as people saying sing Baron Davis, he opted out of his contract worth 18mil, meaning he's looking for big bucks. Baron is what 30? i would say he is passed his prime and is looking for a big deal to finish out his career. So given that we would be loosing on out a prime Gil for old Baron. Davis also never expressed any interest to play here in Washington , as far as i know he is eying LAC.

Wait i think im starting to worry about him not resigning again, D*mn Gil being from Cali.

Posted by: Johansen | July 1, 2008 7:14 PM

Don't worry Johansen, he will sign he is just waiting to see what the cap is going to be this year so that he knows what to sign for in order to bring another vet to the team. Honestly if Twan wasn't sure that Gilbert would sign why would he agree to sign with the Wizards for lesser amount and not weigh the market

Posted by: Sean V | July 1, 2008 7:32 PM

To those of you in favor of the status quo, I ask again. What makes you believe this team is ever going to stay healthy for the entire season. It hasn't happened since 2005. Given how these players are used it won't happen next year either.

Posted by: George Templeton | July 1, 2008 7:33 PM

"Don't worry Johansen, he will sign he is just waiting to see what the cap is going to be this year so that he knows what to sign for in order to bring another vet to the team. Honestly if Twan wasn't sure that Gilbert would sign why would he agree to sign with the Wizards for lesser amount and not weigh the market"
Posted by: Sean V | July 1, 2008 7:32 PM

True....good call

Posted by: Johansen | July 1, 2008 7:45 PM

Gilby sucks. We should trade Gilby to the Sonics for Luke Ridnour

Ridnour
Stevenson
Butler
Jamison
Haywood

Now that is a championship team right there.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 1, 2008 7:52 PM

You know what man "you should not say the word "WE" because it truely shows you are not nor ever will be a Wizard fan just say "YOU"

Gilby sucks. We should trade Gilby to the Sonics for Luke Ridnour

Ridnour
Stevenson
Butler
Jamison
Haywood

Now that is a championship team right there

Posted by: Anonymous | July 1, 2008 7:57 PM

I know DC Man88 is doing his best to get me onto the Wizards roster, but that doesn't mean I have to like him.

Posted by: Sun Ming Ming | July 1, 2008 8:03 PM

Per Dan Wetzel of Yahoo! sports:

LOSER

WASHINGTON

The Wizards can't get out of the first round of the playoffs and it's not easy to see how this draft changes that trend. They took JaVale McGee out of Nevada to help inside, but he looks like one of those classic draft mistakes.

McGee is 7-feet tall with a 7-foot-6 wingspan. Against moderate competition in the Western Athletic Conference, he averaged just 7.8 rebounds a game. It's counterintuitive to think a big man who can't rebound against smaller opponents in college will start doing it against bigger players in the NBA. This rarely works.

I'm on the McBust bandwagon.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 1, 2008 8:04 PM

when McBust is averaging: 22pts. 13reb. 4ast. and 2blk. in 3 or four years. you'll be all on his McNuts.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 1, 2008 8:09 PM

You know when it comes to draft how does anyone know how a talent is going to turn out if that was the case shouldn't Michael Redd or Gilbert be one of the top pics when they came out .. Please don't read this bs articles and try to convince anyone .. he doesn't know and for sure you don't know .. so get off it

Posted by: Sean V | July 1, 2008 8:10 PM

OK sign me up for 6 more years of eccentricity, score only with the ball in your hands, no defense Gilbert Arenas. While the Wizards obviously like to put an entertaining product on the floor, their committment to a championship is lacking - we will suffer as also rans looking for room under the cap for the next six years - Jamison will certainly retire here but someone will get Caron to come chase his dream - HELP!!!!!

Posted by: petr | July 1, 2008 8:18 PM

if gilbert doesent sign with the wizards that will show how bad of a person he is and a liar that u lied to your supposedly best friend (antawn jamison) and the organization that you will sign a lower contract so we will have enough cap space for jamison so if you dont sign with us knowbody will respect you neither will jamison.

Posted by: Domo | July 1, 2008 8:20 PM

DCman88 sucks! What a total turd! No one gives a rats arse what he thinks! What a loser! We need to trade YOU to another post and just maybe we can go back to talking real basketball. JERK Go back to the hole you crawled out of!

Posted by: Ultimate Wiz fan | July 1, 2008 8:28 PM

baller4life

making fun of Gilbert is one thing, but claiming Ivan was scooped and laughing is just wrong. Ivan gives us wizard junkies a lot of good material, knocking his journalism skills is just ungracious. Let the guy know he's appreciated.

Posted by: chris | July 1, 2008 8:32 PM

To the other anonymous poster, you are right on target. We could have a team of all of these great other players everyone on here is talking about and these poster here still wouldn't be satisfied! Hell, go back and look at the past posts. Damn near every player on the team has been on the trade block on this post! Glad the fans in Cleveland aren't as fickle as the fans here. You guys are jokes! The team you have is a hell of a lot better than the ones you've had previously. Even Lebron stated he missed playing against Gilbert in the playoffs. Who knows, could have been a different result had he been playing. Unfortunately for you losers, CLEVELAND SPANKED THAT BUTT!

Posted by: Cavs Rock! | July 1, 2008 8:33 PM

Baron Davis has verbally agreed to sign a contract with the Clippers worth 65 mil over 5 years. Talk about being cheaper than Arenas, and still compete at or even above his level.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3470016

Posted by: Fulvio aka Wiz-skins07 | July 1, 2008 8:41 PM

anonymous guy quoting yahoo sports

While dan wetzl may be an excellent contributor to a fine publication, yahoo sports, I'm more inclined to side with michael Wilbon.

He has a tv show

Posted by: chris | July 1, 2008 8:43 PM

Cavs Rock

You better savor Lebron as long as possible because he is all you have got. When he leaves in 2010 for the Nets or Knicks they will be TERRIBLE.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 1, 2008 8:55 PM

yes, let's talk about being cheaper than arenas.

Davis was at the tail end of a six year $80mil deal if I'm not mistaken. He would be walking away from 17 mil this year to take 65 mil for five years. There's more than money at work here. Lac is a little desperate with maggette and brand opting and still not having a lot of playoff success. And they are the biggest basketball market. And they are davis' home. They're offering him quite a deal to carry him into his twilight years so he can retire at home.

To think he would accept the same terms from Washington and that he would provide as much future production as Gilbert is questionable at best

Posted by: chris | July 1, 2008 9:01 PM


I'm not the only one raggin on Ivan, =). In a separate blog from Monday, somebody said espn scooped him and then pasted the link of the story to boot.

Ivan is mostly like a very good/top notch reporter...he's a little off his draft predictions though for a beat reporter. On WashPost Live, he alluded that if Mario Chalmers somehow was still available at No. 18, the Wiz would scoop him up. Well, that didn't happen at all. The Wiz Kids ended up with McVale.

It's tough to beat up on Pollin now since he's sick. But you guys sure ribbed him real good about selling the 2nd round pick to line his pockets. I found the comments funny!

Posted by: Baller4Life | July 1, 2008 9:03 PM


It's also funny how Tim Legler railed on Pollin and the Bullets in the past. Hilarious!

Posted by: Baller4Life | July 1, 2008 9:05 PM

anonymous guy quoting yahoo sports

While dan wetzl may be an excellent contributor to a fine publication, yahoo sports, I'm more inclined to side with michael Wilbon.

He has a tv show

Posted by: chris | July 1, 2008 8:43 PM

so the fact you believe Wilbon over Wetzel is because Wilbon "He has a tv show"?

you're a douche.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 1, 2008 9:08 PM

9:08 was me

Posted by: mike | July 1, 2008 9:10 PM

I hope he plays some defense and Eddie Jordan knows when he's in and out of the game.

Posted by: sicwidit | July 1, 2008 9:24 PM

I think the wizards are crazy. They played better in the playoffs when Arenas sat down.

Posted by: Boggled | July 1, 2008 5:50 PM

Was the evidence for this the 17-point blowout at home in the deciding game (when Arenas sat)? What makes anyone think we're better without Gil? If you think we can't win with Gil, then we sure as heck aren't anywhere near winning without him. At least Arenas gives some hope.

Posted by: psps23 | July 1, 2008 9:35 PM

AMEN psps23 - WE have one true Wizards fan here .. thank you .. that is exactly what I have been trying to tell everyone .. I don't think there is too many Wizards fan on this site and since they don't have a blog of their own they are on this site

Posted by: Sean V | July 1, 2008 9:41 PM

"If you think we can't win with Gil, then we sure as heck aren't anywhere near winning without him. At least Arenas gives some hope.

Posted by: psps23 | July 1, 2008 9:35 PM "

When you think about it, you can't really say that a team with Gilby is anywhere near better than a team without Gilby based on the results of last season.

Why?

It's because the team made it to the playoffs last season without production from a 12 million dollar slot.

This team had the same playoff results with or without Gilby.

Without Gilby, and substitute another player with a 12 million dollar salary or cheaper and it's possible that the team will be better.

Verdict: This team is not that much better with Gilby because even though Gilby puts up good numbers, team chemistry is disrupted and the pieces don't function as well.

The results withou or without Gilby have proven to be the same.

Put someone else in that 12 million slot and the team could be better.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 1, 2008 10:05 PM

"DCman88 sucks! What a total turd! No one gives a rats arse what he thinks! What a loser! We need to trade YOU to another post and just maybe we can go back to talking real basketball. JERK Go back to the hole you crawled out of!

Posted by: Ultimate Wiz fan | July 1, 2008 8:28 PM "

Are you mad that your mom isn't turning as many tricks as she used to? Her gums in her mouth rubbed to the bone?

Take your nonbasketball related anger elsewhere.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 1, 2008 10:08 PM

"Nobody on the Wiz would have a hope of guarding Gil.

Posted by: babbtong | July 1, 2008 4:51 PM

No one person on any team can guard him. He would roast the wiz team D, but you could say that for every club except a few.

Posted by: jones-y | July 1, 2008 5:40 PM "

Just go for the knees, or when Gilby is trying to shoot a game winner, scream "SUBPOEANA!!!"

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 1, 2008 10:11 PM

OK sign me up for 6 more years of eccentricity, score only with the ball in your hands, no defense Gilbert Arenas.

Posted by: petr | July 1, 2008 8:18 PM

Wow, this dude wants someone who can score without the ball.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 1, 2008 10:14 PM

"when McBust is averaging: 22pts. 13reb. 4ast. and 2blk. in 3 or four years. you'll be all on his McNuts.

Posted by: | July 1, 2008 8:09 PM "

And when McBust is out of the league in 3 years, then he will be pimping you out on 5th and K st.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 1, 2008 10:21 PM

"But won't it be difficult to laugh with your head in DCman's lap?

Posted by: Chris | July 1, 2008 5:40 PM "

Your mom's always got first dibs since she lost all her teeth.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 1, 2008 10:23 PM

"Very nice press conference with Pollin, Grunfled and Jamison... The one with Gilbert should be interesting too! DcMan, have the WIzards PR guys given you press credentials yet?

Posted by: khrabb | July 1, 2008 6:01 PM "

Only if Abe isn't going to have the big one on the stage when I start off my questioning with "So, Dishonest Abe, tell me why...."

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 1, 2008 10:24 PM

"Nobody on the Wiz would have a hope of guarding Gil.

Posted by: babbtong | July 1, 2008 4:51 PM "

And who's Gilby going to guard babythong?

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 1, 2008 10:26 PM

"And who's Gilby going to guard babythong?

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 1, 2008 10:26 PM"

What does that have to do with anything?

Posted by: babbtong | July 1, 2008 10:28 PM

"Carprin, Tony Parker is ALSO a Shoot first point guard, and he also is bad at defense as has been pointed out by many journalists.

Posted by: | July 1, 2008 5:29 PM "

But he's a team player, and has better assist numbers, and nevermind the championship rings....

He was quoted during the playoffs that his #1 priority is to get his teammates in a groove first.

Gilby's #1 priority is figuring out the best lighting and camera angle on the court.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 1, 2008 10:29 PM

"Gilbert resigned before he left this morning, deal will be announced later tonight

Posted by: Antwan Jamison | July 1, 2008 4:58 PM "

Poor Antawn can't even spell his own name.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 1, 2008 10:31 PM


"Nobody on the Wiz would have a hope of guarding Gil.

Posted by: babbtong | July 1, 2008 4:51 PM

I disagree. CB3/Tough Juice can guard Gilby in a half court offense. Now, if you're talking about fast break/transition, that's a different story. Most good offensive players can beat a defender in the open floor..too much space.

Instead of Hibachi, Gilby may be saying "BONZAI" soon as in see ya clowns later..I'm bolting the Wiz. And for all Wiz fans, will be singing:

"Calbert Cheaney..You da man! You da man! That's the reason I'm NOT a Wizards fan!" Buhahahaha.

Btw, when will the NBA release the new cap figure for teams?


Posted by: Baller4Life | July 1, 2008 10:32 PM

""And who's Gilby going to guard babythong?

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 1, 2008 10:26 PM"

What does that have to do with anything?

Posted by: babbtong | July 1, 2008 10:28 PM "

baby thong...are you awake?

Gilby don't play D.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 1, 2008 10:34 PM


I wonder how a "top notch" team like the Wiz could have such poor team physicians on staff. They've been misdiagnosing injuries since CWebb was here.

Maybe that 2nd round cash they got should go towards hiring new team physicians and buying better medical equipment. Buhahahahaha.

Posted by: Baller4Life | July 1, 2008 10:41 PM

Gilbert, if you ever read the blog, DC loves you! And yes, you have put fans in the seats, me being one. True fans want you here and Wash DC (washintonian's born here) love you. We are also loyal...we remember the days of never making it to the playoffs. You gave us the media attention and put the wizards on NBA national attention (even ESPN games and all).
Also, as stated, Brand has been injured all year as well, there i dont see the rationale of signing him to a max, and he's older.

Posted by: washingtonian | July 1, 2008 10:43 PM

"Gilbert, if you ever read the blog, DC loves you! And yes, you have put fans in the seats, me being one. True fans want you here and Wash DC (washintonian's born here) love you. We are also loyal...we remember the days of never making it to the playoffs. You gave us the media attention and put the wizards on NBA national attention (even ESPN games and all).
Also, as stated, Brand has been injured all year as well, there i dont see the rationale of signing him to a max, and he's older.

Posted by: washingtonian | July 1, 2008 10:43 PM "

And Gilby will reciprocate the love as long as you pay him max money, don't ask him to be a leader, don't ask him to play D, don't ask him to tell EJ if he's ready to play, don't ask him to pass the ball, and while you're at it, quit asking for him to take less than max money for the team.

Capiece?!?!

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 1, 2008 10:48 PM

mike

The tv show bit was facetious.

The main point, that he is one of the premier sports writers for one of the nation's premier newspapers, was implicit.


Posted by: chris | July 1, 2008 10:55 PM

"baby thong...are you awake?

Gilby don't play D.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 1, 2008 10:34 PM "

I know his deficiencies on the defensive end. I meant, what does him not playing D have to do with people not being able to guard him.

Posted by: babbtong | July 1, 2008 10:58 PM

"I wonder how a "top notch" team like the Wiz could have such poor team physicians on staff. They've been misdiagnosing injuries since CWebb was here.

Maybe that 2nd round cash they got should go towards hiring new team physicians and buying better medical equipment. Buhahahahaha.

Posted by: Baller4Life | July 1, 2008 10:41 PM"

This is the first post of yours I agree with. New medical team, and a new coaching system that doesn't play their ALREADY INJURED PLAYERS 40 minutes a game.

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Posted by: alice | July 1, 2008 11:04 PM

oh my god, the wizards will regret this move for six years, just like the orioles did with albert bell. just get rid of him he has been hurt for last season and a half. he is a waiste of time energy, and a max contract. pollins last dying wish is to give a guy with a bum knee a max deal. setting up the next owners up nicely i see.

Posted by: will | July 1, 2008 11:07 PM

LMAO.

People were doing a comparison not long ago saying that Baron is older, has had knee injuries, and is not a better investment than Gilby.

Guess we can't make that comparison anymore.

Baron, the man that he is, didn't go to ownership at GS and say "me or nellie." He just let his fingers do the walking and opted out and walked away from 17 mil.

Got a 5 year, 65 mil contract (13 mil average) from the clips that is nowhere near the backbreaking contract that Gilby wants (6 year, 127 mil with a 21.2 mil average).

Is an injured Gilby worth 8.2 mil more on average than Baron?

I think not.

Gilby's deal looks like highway robbery compared to Baron's.

Once again, EG, the brilliant GM that people claim he is, isn't showing much savvy.

* Ink AJ for 50 mil without considering that Brand would opt out.

* Over offer Gilby with max money when Baron was available for less.

EG must have choked on his lox and cream cheese bagel this morning when he found out about Brand and Baron.

oh well, all the naysayers and EG boosters can just sit back and soothe themselves by saying "Brand and Baron wouldn't want to come here anyway."

Great, so now we're stuck with status quo team and fresh 5 and 6 year multimillion dollar contracts.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 1, 2008 11:09 PM

On a lighter note, where are all the Cavs fans that got on this blog and bashed the Wiz during the playoffs.

It'd be interesting to hear their opinion on Lebron's pretty much cut and dry statement that he's history come 2010 in Cleveland.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 1, 2008 11:16 PM

"It'd be interesting to hear their opinion on Lebron's pretty much cut and dry statement that he's history come 2010 in Cleveland.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 1, 2008 11:16 PM"

I must have missed something. Can you provide a link? Don't remember seeing anything about that.

Posted by: babbtong | July 1, 2008 11:19 PM

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 1, 2008 11:24 PM

alice, please get in touch with 88. The poor loser has no job, no life, no friends, no knowledge....never leaves home...just blogs 24/7 saying the SOS.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 1, 2008 11:26 PM

Sounds like GA will sign with the Wiz. I have not yet seen a scenario that presents the Wiz with any better options. It would be nice if the Wiz could structure the deal to allow for the additional signing of RM plus another long-range sharp-shooting 3 or a 5 with some consitant scoring ability in the paint. But tell me this, are there any other teams in the league where the max $ player is not at least the team co-captian?

Posted by: oddjob | July 1, 2008 11:29 PM

"alice, please get in touch with 88. The poor loser has no job, no life, no friends, no knowledge....never leaves home...just blogs 24/7 saying the SOS.

Posted by: | July 1, 2008 11:26 PM "

Are you trying to pimp your mom Alice out?

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 1, 2008 11:43 PM

go die of aids dcm88.
You spent a 1/2 hour spewing hate.
Well here it is back @ you & your mom, sis, you incested dumb f#ck.

Posted by: I AM POLE SITTING DCM88 | July 2, 2008 12:54 AM

"EG must have choked on his lox and cream cheese bagel this morning when he found out about Brand and Baron."

I would alter that his bagel and cream cheese without the lox. Not sure if he can eat lox since it's fish. Buhahahhahaha.

Posted by: Baller4Life | July 2, 2008 9:51 AM

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