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Here's the the thing about the Gilbert Arenas contact situation: until he and the Wizards establish some exact figures on that contract, the Wiz won't be able to be active in free agency.

A report in today's Boston Globe listed the Wizards are one of several teams interested in James Posey, who is looking to land as much of some team's midlevel exception as he can. (one thing about these reports: the word "interested" can mean a lot of things.) The MLE is expected to come in at $5.8 or $5.9 million and teams can either use it on one player or split it.

The Wiz could also have their by-annual exception which should be around $1.9 million. Exceptions can't be combined.

The only way the Wizards would be able to sign a player to a full midlevel - a player like Posey for instance - is if Arenas takes the kind of contract that will give them room under the luxury tax, which is expected to be around $71 million. The cap and tax numbers will be known early next week and Arenas said he wants to wait and see where they are exactly before finalizing a deal.

Clearly, he's open to the idea of taking less if it's going to help this team. The question I have about the Wizards, who clearly have been aggressive in signing Antawn Jamison and going after Arenas, is this: are they willing to go over the tax if that's what it takes? They weren't touching it last year and I've been given every impression that they want to avoid it this year as well. Don't be surprised if they carry 14 of a possible 15 players on the regular season roster. That means they will be looking to add one more.

One interesting thing about Posey: he shares the same agent (Mark Bartlestein) as Roger Mason Jr. Roger's drawing interest from several teams, including the Nets, and I just really have the impression that he's going to be looking for a larger role next season.

This team has Gilbert (who likes to play 40 minutes), DeShawn (who never gets hurt), Antonio Daniels (steady backup vet pg who does not like see his minutes cut into - we've all seen the AD "Eddie, why are you taking me out of the game" face) and the young buck: Nick Young (his role should increase next season).

That doesn't leave a lot of minutes for Roger though he'd be one heck of guy to lean on if injuries struck and we all know that he's the consumate pro in the lockeroom, in practice etc. (beat writers have to stay neutral but Roger is as good a guy as you'll find).

Posey (or some other small forward) makes sense to me because I hear that the team would like to reduce the load carried by Caron Butler given his injury issues the last few seasons. Dominic McGuire may not be ready for that kind of role yet.

Perhaps that is why Ernie Grunfeld was trying to package the 18th pick with that future pick the team has coming to it from Memphis in order to move up in the first round. I know the team liked Brandon Rush and he's a guy who could possibly swing some between the 2 and 3. Anyway, Ernie couldn't swing a deal and Rush went 13th.

By Ivan Carter  |  July 2, 2008; 4:13 PM ET
 
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I have a feeling Gil, being Gil, will take a 6 year, 132 dollar contract.

Posted by: Hammerwolf | July 2, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

should we start guessing final numbers? I'll go with 6 years, $95 million, and a spot as host of a Hibachi series on the Food Network.

Posted by: Nick | July 2, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Ivan, what is the scuttlebut on Andre Iguodala's asking price?

Posted by: Anonymous | July 2, 2008 5:18 PM | Report abuse

So Gilby is staying? There is no more hope for us that he will leave? Like my favorite musical artist, Miley Cyrus, says ... "Good Golly Miss Dolly". Oh well, back to shaving my legs.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 2, 2008 5:20 PM | Report abuse

That was me ^^^^ asking about Iguodala. I think Posey is not the only FA SF on the market, I hope the Wizards take a look at all of them.

Posted by: rgz | July 2, 2008 5:22 PM | Report abuse

What I wish they could is dump the overrated overplayed AD for a player that can score. He's ok coming off the bench, but Eddie's misguided obsession with mediocre playres has become the bane of this team's minute distribution.

Posted by: Kevin | July 2, 2008 5:23 PM | Report abuse


In any case, the Wizards will need another wing player/shooter.

And who's the 3rd string PG?

The Lakers, Hornets, and obviously the Celtics are going after Posey.

So, even if the Wiz have the ability to use the full MLE, would Posey consider them a fair option (when the others might be willing to spend the same amount of $$$)?

It would be nice to know some alternative free-agent options......right Ivan?

Posted by: TruthAboutIt.net | July 2, 2008 5:26 PM | Report abuse

And in terms of Kevin's comments about Antonio Daniels....


Sure, he is overpaid...it is what it is.

But how on earth did you come to the conclusion that AD was overrated?

Or did you just decide to not factor intangibles?

Posted by: TruthAboutIt.net | July 2, 2008 5:27 PM | Report abuse

Antonio Daniels is a winner, on offense and defense. Nobody goes to the hoop harder (there are those who go to the hoop better) but nobody goes harder than he. His turnover to assist ratio is great, he makes free throws and he makes no mistakes.

What are the odds that Gilbert takes a much lower salary than offerred and we can sign a very decent player?

Posted by: el duderino | July 2, 2008 5:29 PM | Report abuse

We should increase McGuire's minutes and get rid of him if he can't cut it. This whole 'it takes years to develop' mindset needs to change. I can understand if a guy is young and underdeveloped physically. He needs time to mature and get stronger. McGuire has been ostensibly working with the team strength coach and trainers and coaches for a year now. Although we could use Posey, let's use that money on a 3rd string pg and call it a day (assuming RM leaves).
It's time to stop stashing guys on the roster. Let's see if any of them can play. NY, DM and Pech need to get a little it of PT and if they stink, release them. We could potentially be wasting talent. The '5 year Brendan Haywood Development Plan' sucked with then and sucks now.

Posted by: mark | July 2, 2008 5:32 PM | Report abuse

My opinion: AD is one of the best backup pg's in the league. It's only in the context of starting that he begins to look mediocre. Hopefully we won't have to see that again.

Posted by: mark | July 2, 2008 5:34 PM | Report abuse

"My opinion: AD is one of the best backup pg's in the league."

AD is way past his prime and why he disappeared last season.

I agree with Kevins post. While he's 100% a GREAT human being, he's really starting to show his age.

EG is aware of this and that's why you keep hearing his name come up in trade rumors before the deadlines, but no one wants him.

He just can't do it anymore and now he's sucking up cap space.

- Ray

Posted by: Ray | July 2, 2008 5:42 PM | Report abuse

And I will be surprised if Posey waits and see's what the Wiz and Gil do before signing with someone offering him the exception.

See, Gil is already hurting the team. :P

- Ray

Posted by: Ray | July 2, 2008 5:43 PM | Report abuse

AD can't do it anymore????
Then riddle me this....Who should we get who's better then AD to be #2PG next year? and how do you propose we get them?

Release NY, DM and Pech if they don't produce this year?
Good plan, because players never take more then one year to break out.

Damn, I'm glad Ernie runs the team and not some of the clowns who post here.

Posted by: dt | July 2, 2008 5:57 PM | Report abuse

Amen,dt! I totally agree with you!

Posted by: Anonymous | July 2, 2008 6:02 PM | Report abuse

Thanks dt for the realism.

Posted by: Victor | July 2, 2008 6:07 PM | Report abuse

Damn, I'm glad Ernie runs the team and not some of the clowns who post here.

Posted by: dt | July 2, 2008 5:57 PM

HEY!! I RESENT THAT LAST COMMENT!! Now, pass me the grease paint and my big, floppy shoes . . . .

Posted by: rbpalmer | July 2, 2008 6:09 PM | Report abuse

probably the top SF free agents are maggette, davis, finley, posey, george, hayes, and pietrus.

typically, maggette would be out of the price range of a mid-level, but there are only a few teams out there willing and able to give him more than that. if they all pass, he could be a viable option. but rumors are that boston and san antonio are looking to offer him their mid-level. hard to argue that the wiz have a better chance at giving him a championship than those two organizations.

posey is a solid backup player, but i don't think he's worth the full mid-level, especially at multiple years of service.

Posted by: JC | July 2, 2008 6:10 PM | Report abuse

As I stated a few days ago, Gilby essentially has held the Wiz hostage until he can come back from his 2 week tour and agree on the deal.

I know EG wants Posey, but I wonder how EG will react if Posey isn't going to wait 2 weeks and ends up signing elsewhere.

Reports now have the Celtics offering Posey a contract. Posey would be a fool to wait 2 weeks when a sure thing is right there.

Looking at Posey's stats, nothing stands out except that he's a good FT shooter and can hit a 3 here and there. I doubt if he's a guy who can be enough to take the Wiz over the top.

But, I'd rather spend the money on him rather than Kurt Thomas or PJ Brown.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/stats?playerId=671

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 2, 2008 6:10 PM | Report abuse

Ray, Ray, Ray....
Normally the backup pg only plays 10 minutes a game. I think AD can handle that. Granted, he's getting a lot of money but that's the cost of security. Imagine what would have happened last year if AD was not on the roster and we'd had some less experienced pg. We probably would not have made the playoffs. Besides, in a clutch situation if Gil is out for whatever reason (fouls, etc) wouldn't you rather have AD in there than a youngster who might get nervous and screw up?

Posted by: mark | July 2, 2008 6:12 PM | Report abuse

88, Posey is one of the main reasons LeTravel had to work so hard on offense and shot poorly in some of the games. He's a good defender for his size and can handle SF's.

Posted by: mark | July 2, 2008 6:14 PM | Report abuse

"88, Posey is one of the main reasons LeTravel had to work so hard on offense and shot poorly in some of the games. He's a good defender for his size and can handle SF's.

Posted by: mark | July 2, 2008 6:14 PM "

So if you put Posey on LeBron, then you move Caron to the 2? I don't think Caron can guard most 2's out there.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 2, 2008 6:16 PM | Report abuse

Well you know I've been asking to move Caron to the 2 for a while now. I think they'd have more trouble handling Caron than he'd have with them. The problem is that it's hard to justify moving a guy who's an all star at the 3 to the 2. Also, he may not be able to handle the ball well enough.
Also, no way I start Posey. he's a situational guy like Mason. mason is good for spreading the floor with 3's and Posey is good for defense and hitting an open 3. I guess Posey gives you a little more for your money.

Posted by: mark | July 2, 2008 6:24 PM | Report abuse

I also think it's a bad idea to start fixing your roster based on one guy or team. No way I'd be making roster moves based on a Cavs matchup. Some ppl want to get bigs just because the Cavs bigs were better this year. Let's set our roster based on maximizing what we do best...whatever that is.

Posted by: mark | July 2, 2008 6:27 PM | Report abuse

any chance we could sign paul pierce?

Posted by: jose | July 2, 2008 6:27 PM | Report abuse

Caron could handle any of the Cav's SG's, Devin Brown, Wally, you name it. Posey has the capability of covering the best wing player for each team and make a substantial difference. Notice how he covered Lebron, a SF, and Kobe, a SG. Caron can then take the inferior offensive player and reserve his energy for offense.

I think Posey is the ultimate player for the Wizards because he is a lock-down perimeter defender. Arenas should seriously consider taking less so they can obtain Posey.

Posted by: Denver | July 2, 2008 6:35 PM | Report abuse

Posey would be a great pickup!! He is a very good perimeter defender, and has a defensive attitude that our team needs. He has good size and length, can shoot, gets some boards, some steals, some assists, can knock down the 3. He's a versatile player and does the little things to win. He has a good attitude. He can play sg or sf, he can backup Caron, he can give us more size at 6-8 against bigger sg who are a mismatch for the 6-5 Stevenson. He's exactly what we need to add to this team!!

I think we still should add a 3rd pg. Possibly someone like Aaron Miles, Brian Chase, Gerald Fitch, Randy Livingston, Julius Hodge, Taurean Green, or Eddie Gil with the league min or bi-annual.

Posted by: Darnell | July 2, 2008 6:40 PM | Report abuse

"88, Posey is one of the main reasons LeTravel had to work so hard on offense and shot poorly in some of the games. "

Untrue. Paul Pierce drew the primary defensive assignment on LeBron and drew raves for his defensive work throughout the playoffs.

Posted by: alorama | July 2, 2008 6:45 PM | Report abuse

Jose is officially my favorite poster on here.

Posted by: Pradamaster | July 2, 2008 6:48 PM | Report abuse

You're right. Pierce WAS the primary defender on him. I should not have said Posey was the main reason. When Pierce was out, however, the defense didn't skip a beat. Posey played him well. With a streaky shooter like LeBron, it's critical not to let him get rolling and Posey held up when he was called upon.

Posted by: mark | July 2, 2008 6:51 PM | Report abuse

FYI: Posey played about 19 minutes per game in the Conference Finals. As we all know, stopping LeBron is impossible for one guy. You have to double or trap him or give him different looks and Posey was good at it.

Posted by: mark | July 2, 2008 6:56 PM | Report abuse

I would love to have Posey, but is Gilbert going to take less than max and will Posey still be available when he decides?

I doubt it, there are a lot of good teams after him. Why would he wait, unless the Wiz can offer him the total mid-level for at least 4 yrs and a "starting position".

Ernie should have been straight up with Gil, gave him his best offer that would allow him to make other moves. Gil could have accepted or declined, but at least he could have made moves toward other FA's in the meantime. I wanted Diop, Posey and Roger, especially Diop and now that he is available Telfair. Diop and Telfair will be upgrade from Etan and Antonio.

Can someone tell me, if the Wiz bought out Etan's contract, will it still count towards the 08/09 cap?

Posted by: S.E. | July 2, 2008 7:33 PM | Report abuse

Remember when the Wiz could have signed Posey last summer and everyone went nuts, saying how awful he is?

Now he was a key piece in another championship team. 18 points in one of the greatest Finals games in NBA history - including a dagger 3. And now a second ring.

Who would you rather have in the 4th quarter, Posey or overpaid DeClown Stevenson? Never doubt a Xavier man.

Posted by: Defense wins championships | July 2, 2008 7:42 PM | Report abuse

"FYI: Posey played about 19 minutes per game in the Conference Finals. As we all know, stopping LeBron is impossible for one guy. You have to double or trap him or give him different looks and Posey was good at it.

Posted by: mark | July 2, 2008 6:56 PM "

Well, Artest is having regrets now because he didn't opt out.

Kings will be looking to move him before he walks at the end of this season and they get left with nothing.

Posey most likely will be signed by another team before Gilby returns.

If EG wants to make a big splash, he should trade for Artest....only if he signs an extension and then gets traded. Having Artest eliminates the need for Posey.

Now that the Wiz have inked AJ, have Caron, and will probably ink Gilby, there's really no need to keep Nick Young.

How about Opech, DSong, and Nick Young for Artest and the rights to Pat Ewing.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 2, 2008 7:43 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 2, 2008 7:44 PM | Report abuse

Far from "disappearing" last year, AD had a really excellent season. If the only way you evaluate a player is by how many points he scores, well, you are missing most of what makes a good basketball player, but then you are in a big crowd.

It's not just a question of Antonio's "intanagibles" either. His assist to turnover ratio, his FT%, his high level of rebounding for a point, his.... Well, lets just point out that he took all of Gil's minutes last year, and the team won *more games* not fewer games than the year before.

Posted by: Tom Mandel | July 2, 2008 7:54 PM | Report abuse

"FYI: Posey played about 19 minutes per game in the Conference Finals. As we all know, stopping LeBron is impossible for one guy. You have to double or trap him or give him different looks and Posey was good at it.

Posted by: mark | July 2, 2008 6:56 PM "

Well, Artest is having regrets now because he didn't opt out.

Kings will be looking to move him before he walks at the end of this season and they get left with nothing.

Posey most likely will be signed by another team before Gilby returns.

If EG wants to make a big splash, he should trade for Artest....only if he signs an extension and then gets traded. Having Artest eliminates the need for Posey.

Now that the Wiz have inked AJ, have Caron, and will probably ink Gilby, there's really no need to keep Nick Young.

How about Opech, DSong, and Nick Young for Artest and the rights to Pat Ewing.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 2, 2008 7:43 PM

do u think sacramento would be stupid to take these junk players back?? they r all unproven players.a think again.

Posted by: ak47 | July 2, 2008 7:57 PM | Report abuse

"do u think sacramento would be stupid to take these junk players back?? they r all unproven players.a think again.

Posted by: ak47 | July 2, 2008 7:57 PM "

Hmmmm, Sacramento was 38-44 last season with said player.....they might not have a choice but to take whatever they can get b/c Ron Ron will be walking.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 2, 2008 8:07 PM | Report abuse

Diop Agrees To Terms With Mavs
Heat Sign Padgett And Richards
Warriors Offer Brand Huge Contract
Baron Davis agreed to sign with the Clippers.
Heat preparing a sign and trade offer for Brand
Boston offers contract to Maggette
Spurs Plan To Make Offer To Maggette
Jose Calderon gets a new deal from Raptors
Hornets are targeting forward James Posey
Mavericks sign Gerald Green
Knicks close to deal with Duhon

Those are just the headlines from today.... By the time the new Salary Cap and Luxury Tax numbers come out next Tuesday, all the Free Agents could be gone...

Posted by: Rook | July 2, 2008 8:19 PM | Report abuse

The only one holding the Wiz hostage is the Wiz (aka Abe). If the Wiz want to be a championship team, step up to the plate like San Antonio and utilize your mid-level exception to get a good player or two who is/are worthy of going over the cap. You're not going to get a better chance than now. Dont sit around and wine about GA creating drama, that the Wiz created for themselves. Its a shell game...keep your eye on the ball.
And I agree, once GA signs, the Wiz greatest need is on Defense. Ernie: Identify the 2 best defensive FAs or RFAs out there and bust a move...right now.

Posted by: oddjob | July 2, 2008 8:20 PM | Report abuse

I am not sure why anyone is even discussing free agents. Based on the offer the Wizards have extended (125-127 million for six years) I can't imagine their being enough cap space to afford to have me come off the bench.

Unless there is a sign and trade in the works, which seems very unlikely, this is it. Absolutely static roster for the next 4-6 years.

I like to roll dice but I want to take Ernie on the next AC run, this guy does not think he can lose. Two knee surgeries, completely unknown if even recovered from the last, Agent 0 on defense, self-admittedly not a leader and we are mortgaging the house. Damn.

Posted by: Dr. Strangelove | July 2, 2008 8:40 PM | Report abuse

Based on the offer the Wizards have extended (125-127 million for six years) I can't imagine their being enough cap space to afford to have me come off the bench.
-Strangelove

Apparently you have wisely spared yourself the lobotimizing effects of the spooling threads of speculation regarding the Arenas offer. Good for you.

A brief synopsis: Arenas's ego is being assuaged by a max offer from the Wiz, he is however expected to take something less and leave room under the cap for honest Abe to hire on some additional munchkins for the championship run next year, as it is assumed Jamison has done and in fact, Arenas has asserted he would do as well.

Posted by: Myshkin | July 2, 2008 8:56 PM | Report abuse

Gilbert is screwing the Wizards again by holding them up and keeping them out of the FA market. It would be hilarious if he decided to sign elsewhere, after making the Wizards wait until the point that no one else is available. It's definitely a possibility.

Posted by: TK | July 2, 2008 8:56 PM | Report abuse

I agree, Ernie should of just straight up offered Gil a major contract that would still allow him to use the MLE.

I'm thinking 6 yrs at 102 mil. That's 17 mil a year! I think that would be enough to keep him here.

That would allow us to sign a sg/sf like James Posey, Mikael Pietrus or Matt Barnes and a 3rd pg like Kevin Ollie or Lindsey Hunter.

I would offer 6yr 102 mil. I would say you wanted us to keep Antawn and we did. You said you'd take less money to keep Antawn. I'd say you want us to get better and have a team that can get out of the 1st round and compete for a championship. If you want us to get better and you want us to keep Antawn then 102 mil over 6 yrs is the best we can do, and if you think you can do better elsewhere then see you later.

Posted by: Darnell | July 2, 2008 9:13 PM | Report abuse

Terrible situation for Seattle fans.

They'll never get a team again as long as Stern is around.

Posted by: They had the 'Rainman' | July 2, 2008 9:14 PM | Report abuse

If the Wizards get Posey and Mason, we are solid. These next three years are definitely the Wizards best shot at winning a championship anytime soon. Hope Gil takes less and that the wizards structure his contract so to take advantage of a low base year payment and the max allowable 8% annual increases.

Posted by: Emmet | July 2, 2008 9:44 PM | Report abuse

"Then riddle me this....Who should we get who's better then AD to be #2PG"

That's easy, Chris Duhon. If NY indeed picks him up for what they are saying then that's a steal IMHO.

"...wouldn't you rather have AD in there than a youngster who might get nervous and screw up?"

No because AD can't handle the load anymore. He turned the ball over so many times in the playoffs it wasn't even funny. Look I love the guy and the fact he plays hard (as well as hurt), but like 5 years ago and not the old beat up vet on the bench that we have today.

AD is at his very best at the end of the game when he can get to the line and make free throws, exactly the way EJ used him his first year here. He would drive to the hole and get the foul in the time he was asked to play. This is not what he has been asked to do the last couple seasons. When he ran the floor in the playoffs, he couldn't even hold on to the ball for anything. It seemed like every time down he was turning the ball over. His time is done here.

"It's not just a question of Antonio's "intanagibles" either. His assist to turnover ratio, his FT%, his high level of rebounding for a point, his..."

His numbers were the lowest he has had in several years, I'm not just talking about points. Something you have to remember is when Gil is on the floor, he takes Caron's shots. When AD is on the floor, Caron takes more shots. This was very obvious in the playoffs and it affected team chemistry.

"Gilbert is screwing the Wizards again by holding them up and keeping them out of the FA market."

Great point and I agree. On top of that the Wiz can't even keep Roger Mason because of all of this. It's not like he's trying to bust the bank or anything, geeze.

Welcome to your 07-08, err 08-09 Washington Wizards everyone, and welcome to mediocrity.

- Ray

Posted by: Ray | July 2, 2008 9:57 PM | Report abuse

"Gilbert is screwing the Wizards again by holding them up and keeping them out of the FA market. It would be hilarious if he decided to sign elsewhere, after making the Wizards wait until the point that no one else is available. It's definitely a possibility.

Posted by: TK | July 2, 2008 8:56 PM "

I'm glad you wrote this because it spares me from having to type it up b/c I agree with what you are saying.

Looks like a lot of teams in the East are making moves to get better, but for the Wiz, we won't know until 2 weeks later to see if we'll even be at status quo. By that time, everyone will be locked away.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 2, 2008 10:09 PM | Report abuse

Please Mr. Pollin, as a gift to the Wizards fans, make a strong effort even if it necessitates going over the luxury tax, to acquire both James Posey and Roger Mason Jr.
Other than Songaila who is serviceable at best and has a history of injuries, we have young untested forwards in Blatche, Opec, McGee and McGuire backing up Jamison and Butler. Signing Posey would give us a good backup and if Butler or Jamison goes down with an injury, a replacement who can keep us going strong during the injury period. He will also allow us to more carefully develop our young forwards without rushing them into NBA competition that they are not quite prepared for and shaking their confidence.
As for guards, Mason is a great three-point shooter which is a role player that is critical for championship contenders. He is also a player who is still developing and if he develops into a legitimate NBA starting point guard, he would be good trade bait. Even if he remains backup-material, he still provides insurance at the Wizards volatile point-guard position. Gilbert is still recovering from knee problems and AD is aging and cannot take all of Arenas' minutes should Arenas go down, which would be where Mason becomes extremely valuable.
I know that not all teams have the luxury of injury proofing their team, but with a little bit of financial pain, the Wizards can do just that. With Mason and Posey, we will not necessarily suffer devastating losing streaks should Arenas or Daniels, or Butler or Jamison get injured. Given the Wizards experience with injuries in the past couple of years, it would be prudent to protect against injuries in the upcoming season.

Posted by: Emmet | July 2, 2008 10:27 PM | Report abuse

I knew Derf would be playing the hostage card. Predictably garbage. He couldn't sign anything if he were here because of the moratorium. He can agree to a deal anywhere in the world. Multple sources are saying he is not even considering the Warriors offer. The Warriors confirmed this when they offered a similar deal to Elton Brand today. The Times, Post and AP all have sources indicating its just a matter of getting the hard numbers from the NBA before the deal is done. What a jerk he is! He's practically got a gun to the team's head! Silly Derf.

You see Derf, part of this tour he is on goes through Europe so he can promote the Wizards' appearances in the preseason.

mark, good teams make room for developmental (read CHEAP) players at the end of their bench. You don't throw away cheap talent based on spot minutes during a rookie season. The learning curve is slightly steeper than what you're suggesting.

Posted by: Monte | July 2, 2008 10:34 PM | Report abuse

"Hmmmm, Sacramento was 38-44 last season with said player.....they might not have a choice but to take whatever they can get b/c Ron Ron will be walking."

Hmmmm, the fact that Artest has an $8 mill expiring contract actually increases his value on the trade market, meaning that the Kings can get better than that junk without even trying.

Posted by: kalorama | July 2, 2008 10:35 PM | Report abuse

My gut tells me that this china trip by Gilby is deliberate.

He's supposedly in china to promote his shoes/adidas. Adidas is obviously an athletic apparel company and should know that their clients are likely to be busily involved in team/player negotiations on July 1.

I think Gilby deliberately set that day as the day of his trip so that he can leave the NBA and the Wiz fans in a tizzy while he's sitting on a plane and enjoying all the drama that's unfolding about him.

Don't forget, this is the same guy who dreamed of people jumping from the nosebleeds to try to get his jersey. His dream also included a kid in a wheel chair clotheslining a girl to get his jersey.

Gilby creating drama and then leaving. Vintage childish Gilby.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 2, 2008 10:36 PM | Report abuse

"Hmmmm, the fact that Artest has an $8 mill expiring contract actually increases his value on the trade market, meaning that the Kings can get better than that junk without even trying.

Posted by: kalorama | July 2, 2008 10:35 PM "

Agreed.

But, the question is how badly EG wants to win. If he wants to win badly...there are players now that can help the Wiz.

Waiting 2 weeks to hopefully get to status quo while a player holds you and your franchise hostage is quite embarrassing for a GM of EG's caliber, and an owner with Abe's seniority.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 2, 2008 10:40 PM | Report abuse

"Don't forget, this is the same guy who dreamed of people jumping from the nosebleeds to try to get his jersey. His dream also included a kid in a wheel chair clotheslining a girl to get his jersey.

Gilby creating drama and then leaving. Vintage childish Gilby.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 2, 2008 10:36 PM "

Funny how there's a poser here. This WWF fantasy of someone clotheslining another makes absolutely no sense. Nice try.

Posted by: CN | July 2, 2008 10:47 PM | Report abuse

Hey, I've got an idea. Memphis isn't going to make an offer to Kwame Brown. Why don't we pick him up? I know he's not quite as good as Sun Ming Ming, but he's probably cheaper.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 2, 2008 10:53 PM | Report abuse

"Funny how there's a poser here. This WWF fantasy of someone clotheslining another makes absolutely no sense. Nice try.

Posted by: CN | July 2, 2008 10:47 PM "

Where have you been?

Did you not hear last season about Gilby's dream commercial with the title "Impossible is Nothing?"

Check yourself "CN!"

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He also described his ideal shoe commercial like this:
" You know how I always throw my jersey into the stands after a game? In Washington, they just go crazy for it. So in this commercial, that's what I'm gonna do with my shoes. I've just hit a game winner, and I throw these shoes. Everyone starts to react, and you see everything in slow motion. Everyone's pushing, shoving, doing whatever it takes to try to get to these shoes. People from the 400 level, they're jumping off the ledge, they're missing the pile, hitting nothing but chairs, and you can just see in people's faces like, Ooooh, that hurt. While all this stuff's going on, one of the shoes pops out of the crowd, and a little girl gets it and she takes off. A couple of people see she has it, and they start chasing her, and she's looking back running--and then she gets clotheslined by a kid in a wheelchair. So he picks the shoe up and says--he's gonna have the only line in there--"They said I couldn't get it. Heh. Impossible is nothing." And then he rolls off.[21]

http://dcist.com/2006/10/13/thats_just_gilb.php

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 2, 2008 10:59 PM | Report abuse

"Hey, I've got an idea. Memphis isn't going to make an offer to Kwame Brown. Why don't we pick him up? I know he's not quite as good as Sun Ming Ming, but he's probably cheaper.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 2, 2008 10:53 PM "

I love how every time I make an accurate assessment of Gilby, one of his groupies quickly respond by making a blog entry using my blog name.

Face it. Signing Gilby to 6 more years means 6 more years of headaches.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 2, 2008 11:01 PM | Report abuse

Like my favorite musical artist, Miley Cyrus, says ... "Good Golly Miss Dolly". Oh well, back to shaving my legs.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 2, 2008 11:11 PM | Report abuse

Like my favorite musical artist, Miley Cyrus, says ... "Good Golly Miss Dolly". Oh well, back to shaving my legs.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 2, 2008 11:11 PM

Why doesn't it surprise me that "he/she" shaves "it's" legs?

Posted by: Lisa | July 2, 2008 11:12 PM | Report abuse

I'm Gil's personal cum bucket.

Posted by: Lisa | July 2, 2008 11:23 PM | Report abuse

Face it. Signing Gilby to 6 more years means 6 more years of headaches.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 2, 2008 11:01 PM

someone misses the mitch richmond years I guess...

Posted by: mojobo | July 2, 2008 11:24 PM | Report abuse

You're right DC Man88. You got me. I'm wrong.

Posted by: CN | July 2, 2008 11:30 PM | Report abuse

I think Gil has already signed the contract with the Wiz. They're only delaying the announcement as a smokescreen so that David Stern won't believe Mitch Lawrence's report last week that there were discussions before the opt out deadline, which is against league rules.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 2, 2008 11:34 PM | Report abuse

emelio garcia-ruiz, give ivan a raise!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ASAP!

Posted by: Gene Wong | July 2, 2008 11:38 PM | Report abuse

"But, the question is how badly EG wants to win. If he wants to win badly...there are players now that can help the Wiz."

Uh ... no, that wasn't the question. The question was: would it take for the Kings to trade Ron Artest? And the answer was: a shi*tload more than "Opech, DSong, and Nick Young."

The Kings would laugh at that deal.

Posted by: kalorama | July 2, 2008 11:49 PM | Report abuse

we all love RMJR but if you're him ... do you really want to play for this team that has the following three jackers:

gilby
deshawn
caron
nick young
antawn

he will never get any time.

ps - how to unload/dump etan???

Posted by: krumminator | July 3, 2008 12:29 AM | Report abuse

So whatever happened to not having the roster space for Walker? Is it safe to assume that was bull**** now?

So we plan on carrying 14 this season... I don't know what second round rookies usually make, but it ain't much. At what point would his contract have been guaranteed? This guy should've at least been given a chance to show something in the summer league. Apparently he had lottery talent before his injuries. The worst case scenario was that he didn't make the team and we cut him. Now the worst case scenario is that he gets healthy and becomes a nice player for the Celtics, at a position where we could use depth.

I don't know what pisses me off more, that we gave up on this guy for no real good reason, or that the front office lied to the fans about the reason why.

It probably won't mean much in the long run, but sometimes second round picks turn into studs and we're not rich enough to trash our lottery ticket without at least checking the numbers first.

Posted by: uranderson | July 3, 2008 1:41 AM | Report abuse

nick young is much better than ron artaise and we love nick young on the wast coast but ej want let young go nick is a charmer and after nick wins dc see the other team come knoting next year and plus young want to come home and play

Posted by: larry brown | July 3, 2008 2:22 AM | Report abuse

nick young is much better than ron artaise and we love nick young on the west coast but ej want let young go nick is a charmer and after nick wins dc see the other team come knoting next year and plus young want to come home and play

Posted by: larry brown | July 3, 2008 2:24 AM | Report abuse

This Arenas Situation is Bunk. Unless there is already a secret deal in place, this is some selfish crap. On the RMJR tip, he can run the point, our backup PG is already here. I think the Wizards should look at keeping him and moving AD. The suns are in the market for a backup for Nash. Mason has worked really hard and his skills are still growing. Don't sleep Wizards.

Posted by: Desert Dawg | July 3, 2008 2:50 AM | Report abuse

I agree. Antonio Daniels is probably the only tradeable player we have in the sense that (a) another team might actually want him and (b) we can replace him basically by re-upping Roger Mason Jr. I love Antonio's competitiveness, and he was an integral part of our getting to the playoffs last year. However, he is aging and since he has lost whatever confidence he might have had in his long-range shooting, defenses can collapse on Jamison and Butler when he is in the game.

On the Gilbert situation, by the same token that some of you have said he is holding management hostage until he agrees a final number that may or may not free up cap space, there is no reason that management could not share with him what their alternative scenarios might be (i.e. who -- Posey, whoever -- they would offer and how much they would offer him under what circumstances). If I were Gilbert, I would want to know more specifically how management is committed to bring in the additional pieces needed to make a serious run.

This is a two-way street.

Oh, and welcome back jose! Love ya, man!

Posted by: khrabb | July 3, 2008 5:58 AM | Report abuse

Sign Pietrus...posey will not come to dc regardless!!

Posted by: jojo | July 3, 2008 7:56 AM | Report abuse

Posey, Posey, Posey.
Biggest case of man crush I've seen in a while.
Get this: he is not worth the MLE. Period.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 3, 2008 8:04 AM | Report abuse

So whatever happened to not having the roster space for Walker? Is it safe to assume that was bull**** now?

Posted by: uranderson | July 3, 2008 1:41 AM

FYI - The Celtics announced that Walker just had knee surgury.

Posted by: Rook | July 3, 2008 8:14 AM | Report abuse

I don't know what pisses me off more, that we gave up on this guy for no real good reason, or that the front office lied to the fans about the reason why.

Posted by: uranderson | July 3, 2008 1:41 AM

At the time they drafted, then sold Walker, he simply said there was no room on the roster.

Perhaps Ernie Grunfeld's plan was to resign Arenas AND Mason.... bringing the roster to 14.... and then sign a veteran FA to fill out the roster at 15?

Or perhaps Ernie knew that a max deal to Arenas, and a fair offer to Mason would put the Wizards right against the Luxury Tax threshold.

Either way, it would leave "no room on the roster" for a 2nd round pick - just as Ernie said.... I don't believe EG "lied to the fans about the reason why"

Posted by: Rook | July 3, 2008 8:23 AM | Report abuse

The debate over Posey--or any other FA like PJ Brown or Iguadola--is a red herring. The Wizards will be lucky to retain Roger Mason, given their stinginess and the gross overpayment, in both years and salary, to first jamison and now Arenas.

Posey is the most overrated player out there anyway. He flourished as a lockdown defender in Thibodaux's system, but that system only worked in the playoffs because it included Garnett and Pierce--and both bought into it. During the regular season Posey was a non-factor. In Miami his role was pretty much as a mugger attempting a career-ending injury on any player breaking to the basket. I agree that every team needs an enforcer, and it's a shame the Wizards don't have one, but most former WWF walk-ons come cheaper than the MLE.

And aside from bidding against themselves for players they already have, the Wizards are way cheap.

Posted by: KTV | July 3, 2008 8:29 AM | Report abuse

No one is mentioning Mikael Pietrus who is an unrestricted FA from Golden State who could probably be had for the $1.9M bi-annual exception. He's 6 7" and can play the 2 or 3, tough defensively, and is a good 3-pt. shooter. He got phased out by Nellie last year but is fairly young and would be a nice backup for CB3.

Ripping AD in this blog shows how quickly people forget he played half the season with a torn liagament in his wrist (needed surgery) and bone chips in his ankle. He sucked it up and played 35 minutes a night to keep the team afloat without another PG on the roster. The guy may be 33 but he's still a quality backup PG who can play a good 15-20 minutes a night. He may be overpaid but he's certainly not overrated.

Posted by: wizfan89 | July 3, 2008 8:53 AM | Report abuse

Pietrus is a good idea (we drafted Arvis Hayes ahead of him...), but I think he'll cost a good chunk of the MLE, but it still may be worth it, since he was always known for his DEF and is versatile. I'd like to see what he can do in a more defense-oriented setting...

On another note, sad to see someone using my tag @ 11:30PM last night to give dcman props. I guess I should be flattered, either way, I'll pay attention to the commercial next time...

Posted by: CN | July 3, 2008 9:01 AM | Report abuse

If we can get Pietrus, it would be a better pickup than Posey. Pietrus is a bigger version of Deshawn. He's able to play better defense than DS because of his size and he can also hit 3's to keep defenses honest. He's still probably best used a one dimensional role player but on this team, that's exactly what the 2 is. We need a guy at the 2 who can play defense and hit open shots, that's it. Anything else is a bonus.
I'm all for taking a look at him. He's the defensive version of RM. If we're looking for a 3 point threat, sign Mason. If you want better defense, sign Pietrus. We just have to figure out in what direction we'd like to lean.
Good suggestion, Wizfan89.

Posted by: mark | July 3, 2008 9:10 AM | Report abuse

Wizfan89, EVERY player on the Wiz team has been ripped by these bloggers. I do mean EVERY player, so don't be surprised. As far as the Wiz are concerned per this blog, you might as well implode the whole team because these bloggers don't think they are worth anything. As far as this blog is concerned, none of the players on this team are right for this team. Keep reading these posts on a daily basis and you will see what I mean.

Posted by: Ultimate Wiz fan | July 3, 2008 9:12 AM | Report abuse

now Derf thinks its a conspiracy that includes Gilbert and Adidas! Whats next? He's tries to block out the sun and make people pay for it? Derf thinks Arenas is Mr. Burns for F's sake.

Notice how many other free agents have signed/agreed to terms for the MLE? Hmm. Yeah, ya see they too need to know what that number will be before agreeing to it. Which means unless you're settling for less you aren't agreeing to anything right now.

Posted by: Monte | July 3, 2008 9:21 AM | Report abuse

I don't think folks here who are hating on AD are taking into account the fact that Gil plays 40 minutes per game. There are only 48 minutes in a game. AD can go all out (translation: hit the floor at least twice) with limited minutes and in spurts, he's a very good player.
Comparing him to Nash and CP3 is unfair. I still contend that he's one of the best backups in the league. Barbosa and Calderon are two backups that come to mind who I'd rather have but not many others.

Posted by: mark | July 3, 2008 9:25 AM | Report abuse

So the team is signing some guys to fill out the summer league roster. Obviously, there's Blatche, Young, McGuire, Pesh, McGee and possibly Veremeeko. Looks like we're picking up PG Jonathan Wallace (G-Town), F Will Thomas (George Mason), AJ Guyton (Indiana) and some others...

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/jul/03/wallace-thomas-receiving-tryouts/

Posted by: CN | July 3, 2008 9:34 AM | Report abuse

we all love RMJR but if you're him ... do you really want to play for this team that has the following three jackers:

gilby
deshawn
caron
nick young
antawn

he will never get any time.

ps - how to unload/dump etan???

Posted by: krumminator | July 3, 2008 12:29 AM

If I was RMJR, my main considerations in choosing a team would be: 1. Who would pay me the most, 2. Where would I have the best chance of playing on a contender/winner, and 3. whose coaching staff would believe in me the most (which would directly affect my minutes). If I concluded that these considerations favored Washington, then here is where I would be, regardless of the presence of the players you mentioned. The way that EJ tends to favor veterans, sometimes to the detriment of the development of the younger players, I think that Mason would continue to get regular minutes here if he returned. Re: Etan, we won't be able to unload him until the next off-season, when his expiring contract will have value for other teams.

Posted by: rbpalmer | July 3, 2008 9:35 AM | Report abuse

"I don't think folks here who are hating on AD are taking into account the fact that Gil plays 40 minutes per game. There are only 48 minutes in a game. AD can go all out (translation: hit the floor at least twice) with limited minutes and in spurts, he's a very good player.
Comparing him to Nash and CP3 is unfair. I still contend that he's one of the best backups in the league. Barbosa and Calderon are two backups that come to mind who I'd rather have but not many others.

Posted by: mark | July 3, 2008 9:25 AM "

There are spurts where both AD and Gilby are on the court with Gilby at the 2.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 3, 2008 9:52 AM | Report abuse

"Uh ... no, that wasn't the question. The question was: would it take for the Kings to trade Ron Artest? And the answer was: a shi*tload more than "Opech, DSong, and Nick Young."

The Kings would laugh at that deal.

Posted by: kalorama | July 2, 2008 11:49 PM "

Don't look too much in your typical narrow view when reading into a statement.

The real "question" that I referred to is the "big picture."

If EG wants to add beyond status quo, then he can get busy now, but is currently held hostage by Gilby.

As time begins to tick towards that trade deadline, and there are no knock your socks offers for Artest, then the Kings will do anything to get something in return.

I'd venture to say that they want him off the team by the beginning of the season though.

BTW, having Wallace on the summer league roster is a great move.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 3, 2008 9:59 AM | Report abuse

i kind of like that idea for a commercial...

Posted by: g | July 3, 2008 10:04 AM | Report abuse

"Don't look too much in your typical narrow view when reading into a statement."

Aside from the fact that that sentence makes no grammatical sense, it's also utter (and typical) bullsh*t.

One really doesn't need to enlist the services of a Cold War cryptographer to decipher the following:

"How about Opech, DSong, and Nick Young for Artest and the rights to Pat Ewing.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 2, 2008 7:43 PM"

You proposed a trade scenario whereby the Kings would trade an $8.4 mill expiring contract attached to an All-star caliber, DPOY candidate for two backups and ag uy who may well be out of the league when his contract expires.

Again ... nonsense. Geoff Petrie would hang up the phone on Grunfeld before he'd even finished pronouncing Pecheriv's name.


Don't pull a hammy doing your typical spin dance trying to change the subject when someone refutes your weak-ass "point."

Posted by: kalorama | July 3, 2008 10:18 AM | Report abuse

"I hear that the team would like to reduce the load carried by Caron Butler given his injury issues the last few seasons."

Hallelujah! Two seasons too late, though.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 3, 2008 10:20 AM | Report abuse

"As time begins to tick towards that trade deadline, and there are no knock your socks offers for Artest, then the Kings will do anything to get something in return."

Which presumes (wrongly, of course) that (A) they won't get better offers (they will; how couldn't they) and (B) they wouldn't sooner let him walk and take the $8 mill in cap space relief rather than trade him for three marginal players they have no use for.

Posted by: kalorama | July 3, 2008 10:20 AM | Report abuse

EDIT:

Geoff Petrie would hang up the phone on Grunfeld before he'd even finished pronouncing Pecherov's name.

Posted by: kalorama | July 3, 2008 10:21 AM | Report abuse

"He's still probably best used a one dimensional role player but on this team, that's exactly what the 2 is. We need a guy at the 2 who can play defense and hit open shots, that's it."

The Wizards already have a guy at the two who can play defense and hit open shots. Spending money on Pietrus doesn't make much sense as long as Stevenson's here. They basically overlap.

Posted by: kalorama | July 3, 2008 10:46 AM | Report abuse

I like the dream idea too! LOL The Wizards should hire Gilbert for the head of marketing too! He and Clinton P. are so much fun for this city.

Posted by: washingtonian | July 3, 2008 10:48 AM | Report abuse

"Uh ... no, that wasn't the question. The question was: would it take for the Kings to trade Ron Artest? And the answer was: a shi*tload more than "Opech, DSong, and Nick Young."

The Kings would laugh at that deal.

Posted by: kalorama | July 2, 2008 11:49 PM "

Kalorama - It's hard enough to hit a stationary target! Much less, one that constantly changes and moves....

Posted by: Rook | July 3, 2008 10:53 AM | Report abuse

I'm REALLY tired of the "AD sucks/is past his prime/is worse than Duhon/etc etc nonsense. He is a FANTASTIC backup PG. If you are a coach, what do you want in a backup point guard? That was rhetorical, but I'll answer for you. You want a guy who will run the offense (check), who will take care of the basketball (check), get your scorers involved (check), and play reasonable to good D (check). You love it if he would attack the basket aggressively with some frequency to keep the defense honest (check). The NBA is evolving, so PGs who can score a lot (Gil, Chris Paul) will be more common, but I thought AD did a phenomenal job last year.

Those who criticize his play down the stetch forget that he had a wrist injury that reports say was worse than he ever let on, plus the knee/ankle deals late.

We need Gil back--clearly AD is no superstar--but as a backup PG with a reasonable contract, we could do much, much worse.

Posted by: psdfx | July 3, 2008 11:00 AM | Report abuse

The Wizards already have a guy at the two who can play defense and hit open shots. Spending money on Pietrus doesn't make much sense as long as Stevenson's here. They basically overlap.

Posted by: kalorama | July 3, 2008 10:46 AM

Unless you play him as a backup for Caron Butler... He is listed as a 6'6" (or 6'7" depending on which site you look at) Forward .... and although he can play some 2, he's been mostly used as a SF off the bench for defense and 3-point shooting...

I can see a need for a Veteran SF on the Wizards - especially if it means Caron Butler plays fewer minutes... Pietrus is a 5-year veteran with proven skills....

And it would be nice, for a change, to have two defensive minded perimeter players on the team at the same time (Stevenson and Pietrus)...

There are capable veterans (or a capable young guy, in the case of SG) backing up all the positions on the Wizards bench (Daniels, Young, Songaila, Thomas) - EXCEPT Small Forward. (McGuire is just not ready).

I think a case could be made that Pietrus would be a good fit.

Posted by: Rook | July 3, 2008 11:03 AM | Report abuse

The Wizards already have a guy at the two who can play defense and hit open shots. Spending money on Pietrus doesn't make much sense as long as Stevenson's here. They basically overlap.

Posted by: kalorama | July 3, 2008 10:46 AM

As admirably as Stevenson played during the regular season, he was owned by Lebron in the playoffs. It wasn't even close. His defensive prowess was essentially non-existent. Maybe that had to do with the awful defensive strategy for the series (hack-a-lebron), but if we're looking for a 2 who is a defensive stopper and a knock-down shooter, I think we can upgrade over Stevenson. I don't know if Pietrus is the guy for that (don't really know much about him), but I think Stevenson is by far the weakest link in the starting lineup.

Posted by: psps23 | July 3, 2008 11:05 AM | Report abuse

this kalorama girl sure is a d-bag

Posted by: Anon 763 | July 3, 2008 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Once Arenas signs, the Wiz will, once again, have one of the best rosters in the NBA. A minor tweak here or there isn't going to change anything.

If Pollin and Grunfeld want to keep EJ, they ought to put some parameters on him such no more than 35 minutes a game on average for the Big 3 and much more attention to defense. The focus ought to be getting ready to advance in the playoffs, not going balls-out every minute with only your best players during the season. Despite what Kallie may think, you can't improve or get ready for the playoffs by playing only in practice.

Posted by: Izman | July 3, 2008 11:08 AM | Report abuse

I know it's believed the Wiz offered him 6 years at 124/ 127 mil, but I believe Gil stated that he would allow the Wiz time to sign AJ and other players before he signed his deal. He then went on to say that the team can go over the cap to sign him. So, why is EG waiting to sign players? If he makes an offer to Posey and he accepts, Gil will have to deal with what's left. It appears to me that he is waiting to see how far over the cap the Wiz can go before drifting into luxury land. So I say "EG get out there a sign somebody" :)

Bottom line, Gil always said he wanted to see the direction the team was going to go in. I take that as he means : will the team remain cheap, and not bring in quality players.

Posted by: bullets_0000 | July 3, 2008 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Different topic: I agree with posts saying we need another 3. Simply put, just because Caron (my favorite Wizard) or Gil (a legit superstar) WANT to play 40 min/game, doesn't mean EJ should let them.

I am one who believes this team IS absolutely on a trajectory to win the East---IF we can stay healthy. And my biggest critique of EJ is the amount of wear and tear he subjects his stars to in order to win some early season games.

I was a camp counselor years ago that had 10 year olde who wanted to listen to Dr. Ruth on the radio. Just because they wanted to didn't mean it was the best thing for them, right?

I love EJ Aas the coach, but really, really, really hate the big minutes he plays the big three.

Posted by: psdfx | July 3, 2008 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Kal - Pietrus is 6 7" with a long wing span and plays BOTH the 2 and 3. He would allow us to cut Caron's minuts down to 35 to keep him from wearing down PLUS would be a viable backup at SG when DSS is having one of his off nights. Pietrus can play two positions, DSS is a 2 who can play limited minutes at PG.

If you watched the GS playoff run a couple years ago, Pietrus had a pretty nice role off the bench but lost his PT when Montae Ellis came into his own last year. He'll also come a lot cheaper than Posey who will likely end up on Boston or the Lakers.

Posted by: Wizfan89 | July 3, 2008 11:18 AM | Report abuse

I'd like to see AB get some minutes at the 3, depending on the matchup. AB might matchup well against the Peja/Kapono types.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 3, 2008 11:22 AM | Report abuse

"Maybe that had to do with the awful defensive strategy for the series (hack-a-lebron), but if we're looking for a 2 who is a defensive stopper and a knock-down shooter, I think we can upgrade over Stevenson. I don't know if Pietrus is the guy for that (don't really know much about him), but I think Stevenson is by far the weakest link in the starting lineup."

Pietrus is hardly a lockdown defensive stopper or a knockdown shooter (Stevenson's shot better from 3 pt range in his last two season's in Washington than Pietrus has. And their career 3 pt shooting numbers are pretty much the same).

Posted by: kalorama | July 3, 2008 11:23 AM | Report abuse

The Wiz should have drafted Pietrius instead of Jarvis

Posted by: G-Man | July 3, 2008 11:25 AM | Report abuse

"The Wizards already have a guy at the two who can play defense and hit open shots. Spending money on Pietrus doesn't make much sense as long as Stevenson's here. They basically overlap"

As others have already mentioned this statement is totally WRONG. Petrius is a swingman who is more of a 3 than a 2 and will help back-up CB. DS is a 2 guard.

I seem to remember that the Wiz were lacking of players last season and now you don't want to add another proven player just because he "overlap" with another. Give me a break.

Posted by: Dave | July 3, 2008 11:35 AM | Report abuse

"I hear that the team would like to reduce the load carried by Caron Butler given his injury issues the last few seasons."

Hallelujah! Two seasons too late, though.

Posted by: | July 3, 2008 10:20 AM

Two seasons? Caron's been injured just about every season he's been a pro!

Posted by: Anonymous | July 3, 2008 11:44 AM | Report abuse

"As others have already mentioned this statement is totally WRONG."

Then take it up with mark who wrote:

"Pietrus is a bigger version of Deshawn. He's able to play better defense than DS because of his size and he can also hit 3's to keep defenses honest. He's still probably best used a one dimensional role player but on this team, that's exactly what the 2 is. We need a guy at the 2 who can play defense and hit open shots, that's it."

He proposed acquiring Pietrus as a 2. Period. That was what I was responding to. You think he's a 3? Fine. But I'm not the one you need to be pissing and moaning at, because I'm not the one who said we should acquire him as a backup SG.

I seem to remember that the Wiz were lacking of players last season and now you don't want to add another proven player just because he "overlap" with another. Give me a break."

Happy to. Stick out your arm.

I don't want to acquire him because I don't think he brings anything to the table that they don't already have covered. There are too many holes on the team for it to make sense to acquire more guys who give them more of what they've already got.

It's funny that some of the same people getting excited over Pietrus were also the same ones not wanting Mason back because he's cut into Young's minutes. Well, where do you think Pietrus' minutes at the two would come from?

Posted by: kalorma | July 3, 2008 11:50 AM | Report abuse

AMEN Izman

Posted by: Anonymous | July 3, 2008 11:57 AM | Report abuse

THERES NEWS THAT THE NETS IS LOOKING TO TRADE NENAD Krstic. MAYBE WE CAN DO SIGN AND TRADE WITH HIM FOR MASON (SINCE THE NETS LIKE HIM) I THINK HE WILL FIT PERFECTLY WITH OUR TEAM.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 3, 2008 12:02 PM | Report abuse

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just cookin chicken n shrimp

Posted by: prescrunk | July 3, 2008 12:02 PM | Report abuse

"Despite what Kallie may think, you can't improve or get ready for the playoffs by playing only in practice."

And, as usual, the hissing sound you hear is izman talking out of his ass.

Of course (and this goes without saying whenever this particular nutsack claims I said something) I said nothing of the kind. What I said (enough times that anyone interested in getting their facts straight could easily track down the correct reference) was that players have to put the work in in practice and the off-season first before they're ready to play and produce in meaningful games. Put a guy out on the floor before he's done his homework and he's going to fail the test. If a guy does due diligence in getting himself ready behind the scene (A) the coaches will know it and (B) they'll trust him with more responsibility.

Posted by: kalorama | July 3, 2008 12:04 PM | Report abuse

"Well, where do you think Pietrus' minutes at the two would come from?"

Pietrus' minutes will be at the 3 and not 2! He's athletic and a swingman that the Wiz lack. Plus another player who loves to play D (which I think you'll agree that the team needs more of).

Did I say I don't want Mason on the team. Ahhh, No.

Tempers, Tempers.

Posted by: Dave, | July 3, 2008 12:08 PM | Report abuse

"Did I say I don't want Mason on the team. "

Did I say that you specifically said that? Uh ... no. I said "some of the same people" not all.

"Pietrus' minutes will be at the 3 and not 2!"

Really? Because that's not what you said here:

"Pietrus is a bigger version of Deshawn. He's able to play better defense than DS because of his size and he can also hit 3's to keep defenses honest. He's still probably best used a one dimensional role player but on this team, that's exactly what the 2 is. We need a guy at the 2 who can play defense and hit open shots, that's it."

Posted by: mark | July 3, 2008 9:10 AM

Funny how easy it is to have the right opinion after you wait for everyone else to tell you what it is. You and DC Man must have attended the same classes on how to shift positions.

Posted by: kalorama | July 3, 2008 12:14 PM | Report abuse

So whatever happened to not having the roster space for Walker? Is it safe to assume that was bull**** now?

So we plan on carrying 14 this season... I don't know what second round rookies usually make, but it ain't much. At what point would his contract have been guaranteed? This guy should've at least been given a chance to show something in the summer league. Apparently he had lottery talent before his injuries. The worst case scenario was that he didn't make the team and we cut him. Now the worst case scenario is that he gets healthy and becomes a nice player for the Celtics, at a position where we could use depth.

I don't know what pisses me off more, that we gave up on this guy for no real good reason, or that the front office lied to the fans about the reason why.

It probably won't mean much in the long run, but sometimes second round picks turn into studs and we're not rich enough to trash our lottery ticket without at least checking the numbers first.

Posted by: uranderson | July 3, 2008 1:41 AM

Forget about Walker. Whatever the reasons they had in drafting him and then trading him, the fact is that he wouldn't have significantly contributed. The only thing that might have been better is if we could have gotten a draft pick instead of cash considerations.

Here's what Mike DeCourcy of the Sporting News said about Walker but you need to read the whole article:

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/25417537/

Bill Walker, Kansas State
I spoke to a coach just a couple weeks back who couldn't understand how Walker supposedly could have been a lottery pick a year ago and now he wasn't even a solid first-rounder. If that question wasn't answered adequately at the start of this piece, I will try again: Because Walker would not have been a first-round pick a year ago, because his lack of a consistent perimeter shot and shaky commitment to his teammates were impossible to miss.

Posted by: jjames | July 3, 2008 12:14 PM | Report abuse

Sign SF.Mickael Pietrus and PG.Jonathan Wallace from the sumeer league squad and be out.

Posted by: Domo | July 3, 2008 12:15 PM | Report abuse

What holes do they need to fill? They can upgrade the whole team if you want. Adding players will cut into everybodies time. Yes the big dogs need to reduce their minutes, but the puppies need playing time too. The one thing this team needs is an enforcer type power forward. Bringing in somebody just to be bringing them in can be wasteful.

Posted by: G-Man | July 3, 2008 12:18 PM | Report abuse

"Did I say I don't want Mason on the team. "

Did I say that you specifically said that? Uh ... no. I said "some of the same people" not all.

"Pietrus' minutes will be at the 3 and not 2!"

Really? Because that's not what you said here:

"Pietrus is a bigger version of Deshawn. He's able to play better defense than DS because of his size and he can also hit 3's to keep defenses honest. He's still probably best used a one dimensional role player but on this team, that's exactly what the 2 is. We need a guy at the 2 who can play defense and hit open shots, that's it."

Posted by: mark | July 3, 2008 9:10 AM

Funny how easy it is to have the right opinion after you wait for everyone else to tell you what it is. You and DC Man must have attended the same classes on how to shift positions.


Posted by: kalorama | July 3, 2008 12:14 PM


The first guy you referenced was "Dave" The second guy was "Mark" Your getting your guys & argument mixed up, braaa

Posted by: Baller4Life | July 3, 2008 12:18 PM | Report abuse

HA HA HA! WRONG! That was from Mark! Don't quote me on something I didn't write. You're too funny Kal!

Posted by: Dave | July 3, 2008 12:20 PM | Report abuse

The second guy was "Mark" Your getting your guys & argument mixed up, braaa

Noted. My bad. (But hey, mark, dave ... who can tell the diff. That's why they invented internet handles).

But the first part still stands.

Posted by: kalorama | July 3, 2008 12:23 PM | Report abuse

"Don't quote me on something I didn't write. "

Like you did when you claimed that I said that you specifically didn't want Mason on the team.

People in glass houses ...

Posted by: kalorama | July 3, 2008 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Well thanks! I like Mark's posts than yours. As long as I'm not compared to DC Man or to Kalorama, I'm fine. LOL

Care to share what part you're talking about?

Posted by: Dave | July 3, 2008 12:28 PM | Report abuse

"Like you did when you claimed that I said that you specifically didn't want Mason on the team."

Well you're replying to my post. Trying a diversion ha.

Posted by: Dave | July 3, 2008 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Yep. You mixed up the arguments. Please forward your smart azz comments to whom they were intended.

Posted by: mark | July 3, 2008 12:38 PM | Report abuse

Would Pietrius cut into D.McGuire's development as a defensive small forward behind Butler?

Posted by: G-Man | July 3, 2008 12:38 PM | Report abuse

I love this blog. It amazes me how disrespectful some folks can be without it being warranted. All I did was post a comment about a way to improve the team and I have someone picking apart my argument as though they were a GM running a team.
Anyway, as others have stated, Pietrus can play both positions. Where would he likely get more minutes on this team? We have a weak link at the 2 and an all star at the 3. My guess would be that he'd be playing most of his minutes at SG and spelling CB at SF for 8-10 minutes per game.
The difference between DS and Pietrus is mainly size. Their offensive output isn't as important with the BIG 3 scoring most of the points.

Posted by: mark | July 3, 2008 12:44 PM | Report abuse

G-MAN, See that's one problem I have with this team. It seems like we're stockpiling guys and not really developing them. I bet he WOULD cut into McGuire's time. It's one reason I'm all for keeping the team as is and rolling the dice. I've heard others mention that McGuire is not ready and they may be right. The question is...when will he be ready if ever? Does it take a couple of years. It's not like he's straight out of high school. He played 3 years in college. Let's see what he can do or cut him.

Posted by: mark | July 3, 2008 12:48 PM | Report abuse

u guys dont kno basketball...posey is a good defender, and so is deshawn...the only reason posey seems better is because the overall team defense of the celtics is better...posey can play up close to lebron, just like deshawn did...only difference is when lebron drives the team would help out while rotating and leaving the furthest player open...on that same note u guys must think ray allen has amazing defense for locking up kobe...its a team thing...it wouldnt really matter who was on kobe, because kobe was greeted by their big men when he drove...only way this team can play defense like that is if they start AB at the 4 and move antawn to the bench...i guarantee our defense becomes instantly better...peitrus is a very good player...he's got solid handle, excellent athleticism..and a solid jumper...we would be solid at every position as far as backups go...but somebody will be unhappy knowing how EJ subsitutes

Posted by: jason | July 3, 2008 12:48 PM | Report abuse

...specifically, I'd rather have Pietrus trying to guard big guys like LeTravel James than DS. EJ's strategy was playing James straight up this past year with Deshawn. scary. He's also a better matchup for Paul Pierce than Caron. Size matters.

Posted by: mark | July 3, 2008 12:50 PM | Report abuse

Thank you, jason. I agree with everything you wrote. It's about team defense, not just one guy. DS is a great defender on that Celtics team. Here, he's average or below. The answer is sitting AJ down but how can you tell an newly signed gazillionaire all star that he's coming off the bench and a 20 year old ex-john with a suspended license is starting in his place? It just won't happen.

Posted by: mark | July 3, 2008 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Mark

You said that DS is a weak link. He is if the big 3 is down to big 1 or 2. But when the Big 3 is healthy, he is a pretty good role player at 2 the two-guard. When you match him up with a power forward mascarading as a swing-man(LeBron), he will be overmatched. Pietrius would only be someone else to throw at LeBron. But we already have DS, Caron, and DMac to throw at him. If you add Pietrius, what would you do with DS? The backup for DS is Nick.

Posted by: G-Man | July 3, 2008 12:55 PM | Report abuse

dc fag88 and kalorama r really Gilbert himself, spying on us

Posted by: prescrunk | July 3, 2008 12:56 PM | Report abuse

I am one of those who thinks Stevenson's defensive contribution is overrated. As others have said Pietrus could not only allow Butler to play less minutes, but I honestly could see him splitting time with Stevenson at 2.
I know this much, I would love to see McGuire and Pietrus on the floor for defense at the end of game when the Wizards would need one stop to win.

Posted by: George Templeton | July 3, 2008 1:00 PM | Report abuse

G-MAN, See that's one problem I have with this team. It seems like we're stockpiling guys and not really developing them. I bet he WOULD cut into McGuire's time. It's one reason I'm all for keeping the team as is and rolling the dice. I've heard others mention that McGuire is not ready and they may be right. The question is...when will he be ready if ever? Does it take a couple of years. It's not like he's straight out of high school. He played 3 years in college. Let's see what he can do or cut him.

Posted by: mark | July 3, 2008 12:48 PM

Mark, normally you and I agree on points, but not this one. The one thing I can criticize the NBA as a whole for is being the most impatient league I've seen. You've got to let talent develop properly. Of course, it takes careful analysis and a proper eye for potential, but it's that immediate and unrelenting urge to have everyone produce NOW that gets players like Caron Butler tossed around the league before he shows his true value. I'm not saying that McGuire will be that type of player, and I know we were essentially burned on the Kwame Brown project, but we shouldn't throw our young potential into the fire too early - then just get rid of them if they don't produce to our liking. I like the fact that we've begun to stockpile young talent, and I actually really like what we've done with a young Andray Blatche - and I think he'll be an example of how patience pays off when the time comes and he steps in for a declining Jamison.

Posted by: psps23 | July 3, 2008 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Caron did a good job on Paul Pierce this year. Check the matchups.

Caron also did a better job against Lebron than DS. That was a EJ mistake putting DS on him. He bought the hype.

Posted by: Wayne from Bowie | July 3, 2008 1:03 PM | Report abuse

DeShawn is the best. If anyone has a problem with that, i can be found tonight at DC Fag88's crib with Kalorama.

Posted by: prescrunk | July 3, 2008 1:05 PM | Report abuse

George

I don't feel DeShawn's defense is overrated. Nobody can stop all 2guards in the NBA. The key to defense is what you are allowed to get away with by the refs. A major reason the Wiz beat Boston 3 of 4 is that DeShawn outplayed Ray Allen. Will he lockdown LeBron or Kobe, no, but he can pretty much the rest. And nobody can slow down LeBron or Kobe one-on-one.

Posted by: G-Man | July 3, 2008 1:05 PM | Report abuse

G-Man ftw!!!!

Posted by: prescrunk | July 3, 2008 1:07 PM | Report abuse

When you put Caron on LeBron too much, you risk Caron. Eddie would much rather risk DeShawn than Caron. I would too.

Posted by: G-Man | July 3, 2008 1:09 PM | Report abuse

DeShawn is the best. If anyone has a problem with that, i can be found tonight at DC Fag88's crib with Kalorama.

Posted by: prescrunk | July 3, 2008 1:05 PM

WHAT IS THE POINT OF THIS POST...YOU JUST WASTED 1 MINUTE OF MY DAY. CAN I GET MY MINUTE BACK?

Posted by: Wayne from Bowie | July 3, 2008 1:09 PM | Report abuse

G-Man, Uhhhhh. good question. The fan in me wants to see Nick Young starting with DS backing him up. I don't know if the chemistry works, though, cuz Nick is a scorer and he'll have a tough time finding shots with the Big 3 out there.
I looked at Holinger and 82 games stats/lenovo stats and they all point to SG being the one position where we were greatly outperformed. I also watched all of the games and DS is a little inconsistent. The problem is that he is supposed to be our defensive guy but as jason pointed out, if you have no help, you're going to look bad.
It's kinda like when Caron or AJ looked bad when they were trying to score in the playoffs. They were supposed to be the scorers on the team but had little help and found it difficult.
If I was the GM, I would add Pietrus and RM would be the odd man out simply because he's kinda the same player but can play two positions. As far as the lineup goes, I'd leave that for EJ to figure out. Cop out . LOL

Posted by: mark | July 3, 2008 1:09 PM | Report abuse

"only way this team can play defense like that is if they start AB at the 4 and move antawn to the bench."

AMEN! The team should experiment and try if this will work.

Posted by: Dave | July 3, 2008 1:10 PM | Report abuse

When you put Caron on LeBron too much, you risk Caron. Eddie would much rather risk DeShawn than Caron. I would too.

Posted by: G-Man | July 3, 2008 1:09 PM

If Caron is the leader of this team then check Lebron and shut the F*** Up. Kobe doesnt shy away from checking this best player on the floor neither should he.

Posted by: Wayne from Bowie | July 3, 2008 1:11 PM | Report abuse

George - good point. I would also love to see AD and AB for Agent 0 and AJ for end game / last possession defense. But as long as EJ the coach we know it won't happen.

Posted by: Dave | July 3, 2008 1:14 PM | Report abuse

C Haywood
PF Blatche
SF Jamison
SG Caron Butler
PG Arenas

Blatche doesnt command the ball too much and if you want to maintain Jamison's old frame then stick him at SF.

Posted by: Wayne from Bowie | July 3, 2008 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Not to mention Blatche is a batter post defender.

Posted by: Wayne from Bowie | July 3, 2008 1:16 PM | Report abuse

psps23, I think we both agree that Kwame was 'special' and a head case. You have a good point about a lot of young players. I specifically remember seeing Jermain Oneal in Portland and wondering what the hell they saw in him. I had declared him a bust.
I just don't understand why when a guy produces on a smaller scale, they don't give more time to see what he can do.
My case is bolstered only by what I've seen here in DC. I remember Ben Wallace blocking Rik Smits shot 4 times one game years ago. He still couldn't get any pt. (Granted, Darvin Ham was a good shotblocker too so you can't base judgements on one game). I also saw promise in BTH. Ppl rave about how much he improved this past year but I think it could have been accelerated by playing him more earlier. I may be the only one on this blog that thinks that in the right situation, Pech could be effective. He seemed to be above average rebounding and at the very least could pull defenders away from the hoop on defense.
Peter John Ramos was a certified bust but would he have been any worse than Ruffin against the Cavs in the playoffs a couple years ago? He was still 7'3".
I may have ruined my own argument by mentioning Ramos and Ham but you know what I'm saying. McGuire was in school for 3 yearrs and has had a full year of NBA practices and coaching. he should be able to handle 10 minutes a game by now.

Posted by: mark | July 3, 2008 1:17 PM | Report abuse

Any 2 guard who plays with the big 3 will be statiscally outplayed. Unless you bring a big-3 level scorer to the 2 position. And then the big-3 numbers would go down. Statiscally, I'd bet most defensive specialists would be out-statted. Another thing about DeShawn, he is at least as tough as Caron.

Posted by: G-Man | July 3, 2008 1:18 PM | Report abuse

hibachiii!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: prescrunk | July 3, 2008 1:18 PM | Report abuse

True dat, Wayne from Bowie. A guy named 'tuff juice' should be able to guard anyone at his position.

Posted by: mark | July 3, 2008 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Would you put Magic on MJ or Byron Scott?

Posted by: G-Man | July 3, 2008 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Rather than overspending for Posey, Ernie should be signing the NEXT James Posey. Good suggestions above by many about Pietrus being that guy. Quintin Ross is an option, too.
Agree with Wayne's point at 1:11 p.m.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 3, 2008 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Would you put Magic on MJ or Byron Scott?

Posted by: G-Man | July 3, 2008 1:21 PM

POINT???

Posted by: Wayne from Bowie | July 3, 2008 1:25 PM | Report abuse

The point is you don't over-expose your best player unnecessarily. They get into foul trouble and then what? Yes, you can put Caron on LeBron for a few minutes in the second quarter or so. Even in the 4th, down the stretch. You don't assign Caron to LeBron for all of Caron's minutes, especially early. I remember when Gilbert exploded on the Lakers and Kobe was on Gil late and thinking, if they put Kobe on Gil early, with Gil not checking Kobe on the other end, Kobe would get into foul trouble. Gil mentioned it too.

Posted by: G-Man | July 3, 2008 1:33 PM | Report abuse

"Which presumes (wrongly, of course) that (A) they won't get better offers (they will; how couldn't they) and (B) they wouldn't sooner let him walk and take the $8 mill in cap space relief rather than trade him for three marginal players they have no use for.

Posted by: kalorama | July 3, 2008 10:20 AM "

Or course, you're presuming, wrongly of course, that (a) they will get better offers, and (b) they won't take one, two, three, four, five, etc. players that match Artest's salary figure.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 3, 2008 1:34 PM | Report abuse

I guess it is time for the chat to get childish again fellas.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 3, 2008 1:36 PM | Report abuse

******AB****DS*****CB3
PPG__7.5___11.2___20.3
RPG__5.2____2.9____6.7
APG__1.1____3.1____4.9
SPG___.6_____.8____2.2
BPG__1.4_____.2_____.3
MPG_20.4___31.3___39.9

Take a look at AB's production on defense (BPG&SPG)compared to DS's. Not to mention the producitity with 20.4 MPG.

Posted by: Wayne from Bowie | July 3, 2008 1:38 PM | Report abuse

"You proposed a trade scenario whereby the Kings would trade an $8.4 mill expiring contract attached to an All-star caliber, DPOY candidate for two backups and ag uy who may well be out of the league when his contract expires.

Again ... nonsense. Geoff Petrie would hang up the phone on Grunfeld before he'd even finished pronouncing Pecheriv's name.


Don't pull a hammy doing your typical spin dance trying to change the subject when someone refutes your weak-ass "point."

Posted by: kalorama | July 3, 2008 10:18 AM "

You missed your calling as an employee of an NBA team since you pretend to know so much about the ins and outs of the league and what GM's will and won't do. Then again, you wouldn't have made it out of the mail room no matter how many times you sucked or bent over.

The only thing worthwhile about you is that when you are proven flat wrong, you don't touch the subject ever again (e.g. your negative opinion of BTH and you saying Memphis got exactly what they wanted out of the Gasol trade).

Otherwise, keep sitting back and offering up nitpicking comments here and there that don't matter, but of course whenever you attempt to come up with an original idea of your own to be discussed on this blog, you are proven flat wrong.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 3, 2008 1:40 PM | Report abuse

G-Man you make no sense because 1st of all Majic checked MJ most of the time and MJ checked Majic most of the time. As long as both were on the court they checked each other.

BASKETBALL 101: Defense

DONT SACRIFICE DEFENSE FOR NOTHING. LEBRON GOT OFF ON STEVENSON AND WON THE SERIES IE 05-06 AND 07-08. Pierce couldve got in foul trouble against Kobe but they didnt sacrifice defense for nothing.

Posted by: Wayne from Bowie | July 3, 2008 1:44 PM | Report abuse

you are proven flat wrong.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 3, 2008 1:40 PM

LOOK WHO'S TALKIN! LMAO!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | July 3, 2008 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Wayne from Bowie | July 3, 2008 1:47 PM | Report abuse

THAT YOUTUBE IS FOR YOU G-MAN

Posted by: Wayne from Bowie | July 3, 2008 1:49 PM | Report abuse

IN THE FUTURE DONT QUOTE GIL ON ANYTHING HE SAYS ABOUT DEFENSE.

Posted by: Wayne from Bowie | July 3, 2008 1:50 PM | Report abuse

The gloves are off for 88 and Kal and I have a ringside seat. LOL.

Posted by: mark | July 3, 2008 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Wayne

Magic only checked Mike on occassion. Byron Scott checked MJ. And I guess Gil went for 60 or whatever he scored with Kobe checking him. Why didn't Kobe play Gil the whole game?

P.S.
And please don't get in your feelings like DC Man88. We just chatting.

Posted by: G-Man | July 3, 2008 1:57 PM | Report abuse

LMAO!

Posted by: Anonymous | July 3, 2008 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Well MJ checked Majic and the BULLS WERE 1991 NBA Championships....POINT???

Posted by: Wayne from Bowie | July 3, 2008 2:04 PM | Report abuse

P.S.
And please don't get in your feelings like DC Man88. We just chatting.

Posted by: G-Man | July 3, 2008 1:57 PM

You can never get in my feelings!

Posted by: Wayne from Bowie | July 3, 2008 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Can we get a summer league roster update?

Posted by: LooseCannon | July 3, 2008 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Nevermind LeTravel, Caron got outplayed by Wally in this year's playoffs. Tuff Juice needs to get tougher.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 3, 2008 2:16 PM | Report abuse

WALLY GOT OFF ONE GAME + Caron wasnt checking him the whole game.

Posted by: Wayne from Bowie | July 3, 2008 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Can we get a summer league roster update?

read todays times....I think offical roster is monday...wallace from g-town is on the team and aj guyton (sp?) from indiana....anyone know anything about guyton?

Posted by: jojo | July 3, 2008 2:28 PM | Report abuse

i see that elton brand of the LA clippers is quiting his contract. he is very good at offense and a solid guy at rebounding the ball. i don't see why he would not fit in well with the wizards. we need to sign him quick before someone else does. he might really help us.

Posted by: jose | July 3, 2008 2:29 PM | Report abuse

No, Wayne, Wally did go off while Caron was guarding him, but that supports your initial point. Caron can't be the team's best player if he has to guard some nobody on the defensive end. If the Wizards are to get past Cleveland in the playoffs, someone's going to need to step up and check LeBron. Having to bring in a "defensive specialist" to do so is an admission that Caron can't get the job done.
Plus, if a defensive specialist is brought in to cover LeBron, that just gives LeBron a nobody to cover on the defensive end, thus protecting him from getting in foul trouble. If the Wizards played Caron at the 3, and a dynamic scorer at the 2, LeBron would have to check one of them (or Jamison), and thus would be at risk of picking up fouls.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 3, 2008 2:31 PM | Report abuse

It was funny for a little while, Jose. Now it's just really lame.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 3, 2008 2:32 PM | Report abuse

PUHLEAZE, with the excuses. Caron also only had one good game. And if Caron wasn't guarding LeTravel most of the game (DS was) then who was Caron guarding if he wasn't guarding Wally? Big Z? Joe Smith? Delonte West? LOL

If you can't destroy Wally at this point in your respective careers, you're just not that good as a #1 option, as so many have claimed Caron to be. He was way too passive letting Wally and Devin Brown off the hook when the Wiz needed him to take advantage of that matchup more than ever.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 3, 2008 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Be realistic fellas, the team we have now is the team we will have during the season. EG is set on giving this unit one more year together. The starting 5 will definitely not change, so the question is who will be the role players?

The starting 5, as is, can compete with any starting unit in the league. Deshawn is the weakest link, but with the "Big 3" he is a good fit. What FA is really a drastic improvement, considering the intangibles, such as team chemistry.

The 2nd unit will consist of Roger Mason - PG (after he is re-signed), Nick Young - SG, Andray Blatche - SF, Darius Songaila - PF & Etan Thomas - C. Antonio Daniels will be the 3rd PG, he is a team Captain and veteran and he will be ready when called upon. We definitely need AD on this team more for his leadership than his playing ability, even though I know he is still a very good player. This is a good 2nd unit, with the only question being Etan.

The Wiz will have three talented young players that can be used in spot duty; Dominic - SF, Pech - PF & Javale - C.

With this being the team EG has assembled there will only be one roster spot available. I would like to see EG add another veteran big body, just in case Etan cannot get the job done. But I believe, this last roster spot is open to competition amongst the players on the Wizards Summer League team (with Vladimir Veremeenko having the inside track), unless Ernie already has a specific veteran player in mind he wants to obtain. I know he will make the right move, just like he is now by giving this team one more run.

Is this going to be good enough to win a championship? Don't know, we will have to let it play out. At the least, they should be very competitive in the East. It depends on the coaching, how will Eddie use the bench? and will the Wiz have a great defensive scheme to fit the team? If this team does not compete for the Eastern Conference Championship, then changes will have to be made. But they have to be given the chance to play together healthy. The last time this team was healthy, they were the best team in the East. Since that time, other teams have gotten better, but so have the Wiz.

Either way, Ernie has put together a very good team and if changes have to be made, it should not be wholesale.

If I could chose a FA to sign, it will be Randolph Childress. I would give him the full mid-level and a starting job. However, Atlanta states they will match any offer. But I will at least make the attempt.

Posted by: S.E. | July 3, 2008 2:35 PM | Report abuse

"WHAT IS THE POINT OF THIS POST...YOU JUST WASTED 1 MINUTE OF MY DAY. CAN I GET MY MINUTE BACK?"

Wow, if it took you a full minute to read that then you read sloowwwww. ;);)

Nothing else to say here for me personally, just wait and see what happens.

I love the guy, but a max deal to Gil is a big mistake. Unless he's an "elite" player he hasn't done anything for me to see that he deserves that much.

So I guess the question begs:

Does everyone here think Gilbert Arenas is an "elite" player in the NBA

Discuss :)

- Ray

Posted by: Ray | July 3, 2008 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Caron is not our best player. That distinction falls to Gil.
Using the PER ratings for a statistical analysis (and 82games.com),the opponents PER rating was highest at the SF position. Opposing SF's averaged a 18.9 against us, Fortunately, CB was at 19.6 but this illustrates the fact that CB gives us as much as he gets. Being up only +.7 as an all star means you're pretty much ignoring the defensive end of the court since all star votes are usually based on offensive performance. While Gil may not be much better on defense, hs superiority on offense makes up for the lackadaisical effort. In his last somewhat healthy season (06-07), Gil was at +4.5 vs. opposing PG's.
AJ was our most effective against his position this year at 3.5 PER.

Posted by: mark | July 3, 2008 2:41 PM | Report abuse

If I could chose a FA to sign, it will be Randolph Childress. I would give him the full mid-level and a starting job. However, Atlanta states they will match any offer. But I will at least make the attempt.

Posted by: S.E. | July 3, 2008 2:35 PM
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Josh Childress. Randolph is working at Pollo Loco on Tabacco Rd... I know Grunfeld knows Childress very well, as his son was Childress' teammate. We'll see on Tuesday on Tuesday what Gil accepts and whether the team is willig to go way over the cap. Childress can play the 2-4 positions, think Jeffries, except not as sucky...

Posted by: CN | July 3, 2008 2:41 PM | Report abuse

SE

its Josh Childress and I agree he would fit nicely !! but dont see it happening

Posted by: Anonymous | July 3, 2008 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Well I read and posted a reply plus A little exageration to prove a point didnt hurt either RAY-RAY.

Posted by: Wayne from Bowie | July 3, 2008 2:43 PM | Report abuse

CN

I like childress too ..but he cant play the 4...your thinking of his teamate smith

Posted by: JOJO | July 3, 2008 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Well Dave you have hit on one of my biggest problems with EJ's coaching. His unwillingess to sub offense-defense at the end of games. AJ and Arenas should NEVER be on the floor if the team needs a critical stop or it's the last possession of the game and the Wizards are on defense.

Posted by: George Templeton | July 3, 2008 2:45 PM | Report abuse

"

Caron is not our best player. That distinction falls to Gil.
Using the PER ratings for a statistical analysis (and 82games.com),the opponents PER rating was highest at the SF position. Opposing SF's averaged a 18.9 against us, Fortunately, CB was at 19.6 but this illustrates the fact that CB gives us as much as he gets. Being up only +.7 as an all star means you're pretty much ignoring the defensive end of the court since all star votes are usually based on offensive performance. While Gil may not be much better on defense, hs superiority on offense makes up for the lackadaisical effort. In his last somewhat healthy season (06-07), Gil was at +4.5 vs. opposing PG's.
AJ was our most effective against his position this year at 3.5 PER.

Posted by: mark | July 3, 2008 2:41 PM "

mark, tell us what it means when the team does as well with or without its "best" player...that being Gilby as you anoint him as being.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 3, 2008 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Its hard to stay with your man (Wally) when your trying to play some help defense.

Posted by: Wayne from Bowie | July 3, 2008 2:46 PM | Report abuse

I think folks like CB because of his effort, no nonsense approach and nickname. Truth is that he's an overall talented guy who has found a way to be effective despite being physically overmatched most nights. Unfortunately, he is NOT a defensive stopper. He's barely adequate on defense through no fault of his own. He's just too small. He gets steals because he gambles a lot. Remember, Gil was fourth in the league in steals a couple years ago and no one's ever confused him with Bruce Bowen.

Posted by: mark | July 3, 2008 2:47 PM | Report abuse

88, It means we have two other all stars who can step up. Not many other teams can say that. Actually, I don't know any that have 3 recent all stars on the same squad.

Posted by: mark | July 3, 2008 2:48 PM | Report abuse

"I love the guy, but a max deal to Gil is a big mistake. Unless he's an "elite" player he hasn't done anything for me to see that he deserves that much.

So I guess the question begs:

Does everyone here think Gilbert Arenas is an "elite" player in the NBA

Discuss :)

- Ray

Posted by: Ray | July 3, 2008 2:37 PM "

Gilby is not an elite player. He's a pure scorer who focuses on scoring only.

His teammates do better without him in the lineup (note Caron and AJ's best seasons in 08-09). And, the team does just as well without him on the court.

Gilby is a one dimensional scoring point guard....plain and simple.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 3, 2008 2:48 PM | Report abuse

...which is why fans like me have reason for optimism. If we can be a playoff team with our best player missing (and remember that even Aj has said the Gil is the best player on the team), imagine how good we could be with him here.

Posted by: mark | July 3, 2008 2:49 PM | Report abuse

CN

I like childress too ..but he cant play the 4...your thinking of his teamate smith

Posted by: JOJO | July 3, 2008 2:44 PM
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Hell, Josh Smith can GUARD all five positions, he's a super version of Boris Diaw. I thought Childress (being 6-8) had the flexibility of guarding PFs, my bad. Either way, he's not coming here; if we offer the MLE, Atlanta will quickly match it, since he's a restricted FA.

Gerald "All-Star" weekend just signed a vet minimum deal with the Mavs. He's this generation's Harold Miner...

Posted by: CN | July 3, 2008 2:50 PM | Report abuse

"LOOK WHO'S TALKIN! LMAO!!!

Posted by: | July 3, 2008 1:46 PM "

Who you be? Lisa, Gilby's personal cum bucket?

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 3, 2008 2:51 PM | Report abuse

CN:

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He also described his ideal shoe commercial like this:

" You know how I always throw my jersey into the stands after a game? In Washington, they just go crazy for it. So in this commercial, that's what I'm gonna do with my shoes. I've just hit a game winner, and I throw these shoes. Everyone starts to react, and you see everything in slow motion. Everyone's pushing, shoving, doing whatever it takes to try to get to these shoes. People from the 400 level, they're jumping off the ledge, they're missing the pile, hitting nothing but chairs, and you can just see in people's faces like, Ooooh, that hurt. While all this stuff's going on, one of the shoes pops out of the crowd, and a little girl gets it and she takes off. A couple of people see she has it, and they start chasing her, and she's looking back running--and then she gets clotheslined by a kid in a wheelchair. So he picks the shoe up and says--he's gonna have the only line in there--"They said I couldn't get it. Heh. Impossible is nothing." And then he rolls off.[21]

http://dcist.com/2006/10/13/thats_just_gilb.php

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 3, 2008 2:52 PM | Report abuse

mark, tell us what it means when the team does as well with or without its "best" player...that being Gilby as you anoint him as being.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 3, 2008 2:46 PM

It wasn't the same team last year as it was when Gil was healthy the years before. Nearly every player, with the exception of AJ, developed better skill-wise, maturity-wise, or experience-wise. Most of those developments will not decline once Gil comes back.

Posted by: psps23 | July 3, 2008 2:52 PM | Report abuse

BTW CN, the printing of your post in the paper today was flat wrong.

There's nothing preventing Abe from going over the cap to sign a player and let Gilby have his 127 mil dollars too.

Gilby, even though he doesn't deserve max and isn't a max quality player, should not take less just so that Abe can reap the lux tax welfare check.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 3, 2008 2:54 PM | Report abuse

I think he's elite. Most top players are great at one thiing and just ok at the other. The ones that are good in both are all timers. karl Malone was just adeuate on D. His idea of defense was slapping the other guys' wrists and hoping for a call. he's considered to be one of the best because he scored a lot. We never hear about magic's defense or Dr. J's defense because that's not what they hung their hats on.
Based on what Gil does best, he's elite. I have to go back to when he was healthy, of course but...
He's stronger than smaller pg's and can post them up. he's quicker than bigger pg's and blows by them. he shoots a high %fro the ft line. He's made shots numerous times. (As recently as this past year CWebb said that he'd NEVER made a game winner.)
If you're looking for a traditional pg that passes a lot, he is not elite. If you want one of the most effective scorers in the league, he's got be considered as one of the elite.

Posted by: mark | July 3, 2008 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Gilby is a one dimensional scoring point guard....plain and simple.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 3, 2008 2:48 PM

If by one-dimensional you mean the team's best jump-shooter, ball-handler, driver to the hole, foul drawer, 3-point range shooter, passer, and clutch performer then I agree with you.

Posted by: psps23 | July 3, 2008 2:57 PM | Report abuse

and Ray, You know as well as I do that there are a lot of ppl here who don't think he's elite. There are always gonna be some that question it especially when it comes to money. I think the Magic was crazy to give Rashard that much money. Is Gil better than rashard Lewis? It's all subjective. If Gil was only asking for or getting 75 mill for 6 years, I bet you'd hear less grumbling. I don't know why folks care about the money when Gil's salary (and who it might prevent us from signing) probably doesn't make a difference in the standings for us this year. Does anyone here think that RM or Posey could get us some extra wins?

Posted by: mark | July 3, 2008 2:59 PM | Report abuse

"It wasn't the same team last year as it was when Gil was healthy the years before. Nearly every player, with the exception of AJ, developed better skill-wise, maturity-wise, or experience-wise. Most of those developments will not decline once Gil comes back.

Posted by: psps23 | July 3, 2008 2:52 PM "

LMAO!

Hmmm, wasn't it great that these players stepped up their games without Gilby being a direct influence at all? Before this past season, Gilby lovers like Lisa, GM, mark, and other anonymous trolls would come on this blog and give Gilby the credit for making his teammates better.

Guess what? Gilby's teammates got even better without him.

Gilby averages over 17 shots/game in his career. Almost 21 shots/game during the seasons when he was averaging almost 30 pts/game.

When Gilby comes back, do you think he won't shoot anymore?

Gilby's going to set out to prove to people that he deserves the contract he got, and may be taking even more shots that he's ever averaged before.

That's going to come at the detriment of the team. There will probably be a lot of standing around and watching as Gilby continues to jack up 25 ft. bombs as soon as he crosses mid court.

Of course, Gilby will have a decent assist here and there, just to give the ooooh's and ahhhh's that people will jump on this blog and go bonkers about.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 3, 2008 3:03 PM | Report abuse

It sounds like a stupid argument every time I make it but if everyone on their team outscores their counterpart, your team wins. Gil scores much more than he gives up.

Posted by: mark | July 3, 2008 3:04 PM | Report abuse

"If Gil was only asking for or getting 75 mill for 6 years, I bet you'd hear less grumbling. I don't know why folks care about the money when Gil's salary (and who it might prevent us from signing) probably doesn't make a difference in the standings for us this year. Does anyone here think that RM or Posey could get us some extra wins?

Posted by: mark | July 3, 2008 2:59 PM "

mark, you are funny.

Gilby is coming off 2 knee surgeries..missing two years of playoffs.

Instead, if he was coming off another season of 30 pts/game and the team went at least into the second round, there would be better justification to give him max money.

Why won't it make a difference in the standings this year?

Aren't you the guy who predicted they would be a finals team again for the second year in a row?

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 3, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

All-NBA First Team:
F Dirk Nowitzki - Dallas Mavericks
F Tim Duncan - San Antonio Spurs
C Amare Stoudemire - Phoenix Suns
G Steve Nash - Phoenix Suns
G Kobe Bryant - Los Angeles Lakers[17]
All-NBA Second Team:
F LeBron James - Cleveland Cavaliers
F Chris Bosh - Toronto Raptors
C Yao Ming - Houston Rockets
G GILBER ARENAS - WASHINGTON WIZARDS******
G Tracy McGrady - Houston Rockets[17]
All-NBA Third Team:
F Kevin Garnett - Minnesota Timberwolves
F Carmelo Anthony - Denver Nuggets
C Dwight Howard - Orlando Magic
G Dwyane Wade - Miami Heat
G Chauncey Billups - Detroit Pistons[17]

THIS MEANS WHEN HEALTHY GIL IS TOP 10 IN THE LEAGUE...THAT MEANS ELITE TO ME

Posted by: Wayne from Bowie | July 3, 2008 3:08 PM | Report abuse

"If by one-dimensional you mean the team's best jump-shooter, ball-handler, driver to the hole, foul drawer, 3-point range shooter, passer, and clutch performer then I agree with you.

Posted by: psps23 | July 3, 2008 2:57 PM "

Again, I said Gilby is a one dimensional scoring point guard...if you want to add all those superlatives that you think he deserves, correct or not, more power to you.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 3, 2008 3:09 PM | Report abuse

88, 6 dimes a game. 6 dimes when he wasn't even trying to pass. I DO appreciate that he can play and play very well. I think you're more of a Gilby hater than I am a Gilby lover but have no clue why since you seem to be a real Wiz fan sometimes.
Do you really think that CB and AJ would be as goos as they are without Gil?
As psps23 mentioned, their games improved because of the attention that Gil draws. ...improved to the point that they are legitimate stars in their own right even with hiom not being there now. I don't give all of the credit to Gil but confidence is a huge part of this game and theirs grew while paying alongside GA.

Posted by: mark | July 3, 2008 3:10 PM | Report abuse

"It sounds like a stupid argument every time I make it but if everyone on their team outscores their counterpart, your team wins. Gil scores much more than he gives up.

Posted by: mark | July 3, 2008 3:04 PM "

It is stupid, because if you're the point guard and you take the most shots on the team (which takes away from your teammates), you increase the chance of you getting the best of your man, but of course at the detriment of your teammates.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 3, 2008 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Pietrus would actually be the IDEAL fit for this team.

For those crying that he is a 2 ... NO. HE IS NOT. In fact, in Golden State, Nelly forced him to play the 4.

He is a 3 though.

Posted by: arenasmvp4ever | July 3, 2008 3:12 PM | Report abuse

Hmmm, wasn't it great that these players stepped up their games without Gilby being a direct influence at all?

What's your point? Even with their developed games, they're still not better than Gil. They're not even close. For the future, it was good that Gil got hurt because it helped his teammates improve their games. This way when Gil comes back, the entire team as a whole will be even better.

For all you wrote in that post, you still didn't refute my point. The improvements in skill, experience, and maturity will not decline when Gil comes back. You don't get rid of your best player because the rest of the team stepped their game up when he was hurt only to give the same results. All that does is ensure your team will finish similar to what they did last year. Adding a healthy Gil to last year's team will improve it.

Posted by: psps23 | July 3, 2008 3:14 PM | Report abuse

"88, 6 dimes a game. 6 dimes when he wasn't even trying to pass. I DO appreciate that he can play and play very well. I think you're more of a Gilby hater than I am a Gilby lover but have no clue why since you seem to be a real Wiz fan sometimes.
Do you really think that CB and AJ would be as goos as they are without Gil?
As psps23 mentioned, their games improved because of the attention that Gil draws. "

I'm glad you admitted that he's not even trying to pass. While you're at it, compare his assist numbers to other elite POINT GUARDS in the league.

Solution: Move Gilby to the 2 and we can drop the discussion about his lack of passing and average assist numbers compared to his point guard peers.

"...improved to the point that they are legitimate stars in their own right even with hiom not being there now. I don't give all of the credit to Gil but confidence is a huge part of this game and theirs grew while paying alongside GA.

Posted by: mark | July 3, 2008 3:10 PM "

LMAO!

I don't think AJ needed Gilby to be out to build confidence in his game, especially since he was 6th man of the year in Dallas, nor did I think Caron was ever lacking in his confidence.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 3, 2008 3:15 PM | Report abuse

LMAO!

Posted by: LOL! | July 3, 2008 3:17 PM | Report abuse

"What's your point? Even with their developed games, they're still not better than Gil."

Caron and AJ proved their games without Gilby on the court...but most importantly, that the team thrived without him. Nobody claims that Caron or AJ is a better individual offensive player than Gilby.

"They're not even close. For the future, it was good that Gil got hurt because it helped his teammates improve their games. This way when Gil comes back, the entire team as a whole will be even better."

I'm glad someone said it was good that he got hurt. It didn't help them improve their games. How about it allowed them from being hindered by Gilby's "ballhoggedness"

As you may or may not have seen, team chemistry changes when Gilby came back. They're not necessarily better, but different.

"For all you wrote in that post, you still didn't refute my point. The improvements in skill, experience, and maturity will not decline when Gil comes back."

Unforunately, it's a team game, not an individual game. Add one piece to the puzzle and it affects the whole, and not necesarily in a god way.

"You don't get rid of your best player because the rest of the team stepped their game up when he was hurt only to give the same results. All that does is ensure your team will finish similar to what they did last year."

Not unless you fill that 12 mil slot (now 22 mil slot) with a more complementary player who can better fill the holes that the team has.

"Adding a healthy Gil to last year's team will improve it.

Posted by: psps23 | July 3, 2008 3:14 PM "

You can only hope, with a 127 mil player. Only time will tell.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 3, 2008 3:21 PM | Report abuse


Although Gilby was injured, look at the 1st round series with the Cavs. When he played, the team lost. When he didn't play or finally shut it down for the season, the Wiz was much more competitive with the Cavs.

Sure Gilby can score, but if he hogs the ball and doesn't include his teammates in the game, that causes turmoil within the team. I've said it before, but BTH and CB3 have expressed their displeasure to the media after losses about "someone" taking too many shots. That says a lot..the rest of the team goes into a game thinking, "Oh, no..here we go again...Gilby is going to jack up 30 shots tonight."

It's like a black hole...Gilby's teammates know they won't get that many touches.

Gilby is living in paradise: He gets a phat a#s contract 2) gets to disrespect the coach 3) make the coach adjust the offensive game plan to him 4) act like a goofball 99% of the time and 5) be a ball hog and jack up as many shots as he wants.

TWIYG....The World Is Yours Gilby.

Posted by: Baller4Life | July 3, 2008 3:22 PM | Report abuse

DCMANN YOU SOUND STUPID...WHILE ARENAS WAS OUT THEN CARON BUTLER'S PPG SHOULDNT HAVE GONE FROM 19.1 to 20.3 and JAMISON'S PPG SHOULDNT HAVE GONE FROM 19.8 TO 21.4. ARENAS AVERAGED 28.4 LAST YEAR. WHERE IS THE VOID FILLED. YES THEY INCREASED IN POINTS BY 1 AND 2 BUT THEY COULDNT FILL THE VOID. SO IN A SENSE THEY PLAY BETTER MEANS NOTHING IF THE PRODUCTION INCREASE IS MINIMAL. AS A ***TEAM*** THEY PUT LESS POINTS ON THE BOARD!!!

Posted by: Wayne from Bowie | July 3, 2008 3:25 PM | Report abuse


I wasn't logged on at around 12 p.m. so whoever used my blog name around that time really needs to get a life.

Bring Calbert Cheaney and Mugsy Bogues out of retirement!!! Buhahahhahahaha.

Posted by: Baller4Life | July 3, 2008 3:30 PM | Report abuse

DC Man88

Why are you here? Go home!

Posted by: Anonymous | July 3, 2008 3:30 PM | Report abuse

You still here? DC Man88 Get the f...k

Posted by: Anonymous | July 3, 2008 3:31 PM | Report abuse

DCMANN YOU SOUND STUPID...WHILE ARENAS WAS OUT THEN CARON BUTLER'S PPG SHOULDNT HAVE GONE FROM 19.1 to 20.3 and JAMISON'S PPG SHOULDNT HAVE GONE FROM 19.8 TO 21.4. ARENAS AVERAGED 28.4 LAST YEAR. WHERE IS THE VOID FILLED. YES THEY INCREASED IN POINTS BY 1 AND 2 BUT THEY COULDNT FILL THE VOID. SO IN A SENSE THEY PLAY BETTER MEANS NOTHING IF THE PRODUCTION INCREASE IS MINIMAL. AS A ***TEAM*** THEY PUT LESS POINTS ON THE BOARD!!!

Posted by: Wayne from Bowie | July 3, 2008 3:25 PM

How about you stop bussing CAPS, douchebag?

Posted by: Stop yelling @me | July 3, 2008 3:32 PM | Report abuse

"stop yelling @ me." BOO HOO, GROW A PAIR

Posted by: Wayne from Bowie | July 3, 2008 3:35 PM | Report abuse

quick question for those who know a little more about the cap.

aren't teams allowed to buy out one player and not have his contract count against the LUXURY TAX (Allan Houston rule, one time exception)? Do the Wiz have this option available? Would it be possible to release Etan, then use the mid-level exception?

sure they'd have to eat Etan's salary, but if they were planning on letting it expire so they could re-up Caron it makes sense.

and they'd keep their share of the luxury tax money.

does this work?

Posted by: undersized 5 | July 3, 2008 3:36 PM | Report abuse

There will probably be a lot of standing around and watching as Gilby continues to jack up 25 ft. bombs as soon as he crosses mid court.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 3, 2008 3:03 PM

Didn't know he was capable of teleportation.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 3, 2008 3:41 PM | Report abuse

I think he meant gaming winnig bombs ...DAGGER. O Yeah I will be standing and watching those things fly.

Answer me this DCMANN88 where you booing Arenas when he was making game winners?

Posted by: Wayne from Bowie | July 3, 2008 3:49 PM | Report abuse

"stop yelling @ me." BOO HOO, GROW A PAIR

Posted by: Wayne from Bowie | July 3, 2008 3:35 PM

Answer me this DCMANN88 where you booing Arenas when he was making game winners?

Posted by: Wayne from Bowie | July 3, 2008 3:49 PM

"Answer me this DCMANN88 where you booing..."

Before you try and talk basketball, no wait, before you open that abyss in your face, why don't you "lurn haow tu spale furst", jackass?

I don't know if DC Man88 was booing or not but since it appears you don't like him much, it doesn't matter where he'll be booing, does it?

lame ass.

Posted by: dave james | July 3, 2008 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Where the hell has i smoke been?

Posted by: Anonymous | July 3, 2008 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Hey, dave james! i think the guy spelled 'where' correctly, but he just didn't use proper grammar.

WHICH IS PERMITTD ON A BLOG!!!!!!!!!!

you're a tool.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 3, 2008 4:05 PM | Report abuse

MAYBE WE CAN DO SIGN AND TRADE WITH HIM FOR MASON (SINCE THE NETS LIKE HIM) I THINK HE WILL FIT PERFECTLY WITH OUR TEAM.

Posted by: | July 3, 2008 12:02 PM

shaking my head....

We don't own Roger Mason's "bird" rights, therefore if we sign him, we have to keep him for three months after signing a contract or December 15th of that season, whichever is later

Posted by: Rook | July 3, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

i think dcfag got raped by gilbert...that is the only way one could describe his fatal infactualtion with gilbert arenas...that guy is a loser

Posted by: jason | July 3, 2008 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Times reported Wallace from GTown trying for Wizards summer team. That makes me happy!!!

I've always liked him. He is a player with a great attitude and leadership, he is a good pg, and he is an excellent 3pt shooter and always seemed to hit a big shot when they really needed it.

I'd really love to see him stick as a 3rd pg for us!!!

Posted by: Darnell | July 3, 2008 4:18 PM | Report abuse

I've heard others mention that McGuire is not ready and they may be right. The question is...when will he be ready if ever? Does it take a couple of years. It's not like he's straight out of high school. He played 3 years in college. Let's see what he can do or cut him.

Posted by: mark | July 3, 2008 12:48 PM

The ideal situation is to have an all-star caliber player in each starting position, a solid veteran backup for each position, and a youngster (learning the game) behind them....

The Wizards are close. They have 3 solid All-star quality starters, and solid vets backing up each position EXCEPT Small Forward...

Which is why Caron Butler has had to play 39-40 minutes a night for the last two seasons.

Adding a solid veteran at the SF position makes sense...

And to answer your question Mark, it usually takes 3-4 years before a player "makes it"... McGuire has to pay his dues (like Kalorama said) in practice and in the off-season; before Eddie (or any other NBA Coach) will trust him to play significant minutes.

Some players with tons of talent (like Nick Young) might make it earlier.... but guys like McGuire take longer.

Posted by: Rook | July 3, 2008 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Plus he spent his college career running basically the same system we use!!

Posted by: Darnell | July 3, 2008 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Since you want to turn this basketball blog into an english blog, we can do that.

"Before you try and talk basketball, no wait, before you open that abyss in your face, why don't you "lurn haow tu spale furst", jackass?"

Your use of the quote "lurn haow tu spale furst" was incorrect, since you didn't site the quote from anything but that mango brain of yours.

"I don't know if DC Man88 was booing or not but since it appears you don't like him much, it doesn't matter where he'll be booing, does it?"

"I don't know if DC Man88 was booing or not but since..."

Here you used two coordinating conjuctions, but and since back to back, which is incorrect and you failed to use a comma.

I like DCMANN88, he's a cool dude, because he gives good basketball arguments. His insight is pretty good, although I don't agree, but it is entertaining.

"lame ass."

I think you need to have a capital in the l, since its the first letter of your statement.

EAT A DIK!!!

Posted by: Wayne from Bowie | July 3, 2008 4:34 PM | Report abuse

in response to the argument that "its not true that the players improved with gil gone, they just get to play because gil is a ball hog"

Look at last season when gil and caron went out. They were a pushover. Look at this season...still a contender with both out. And caron was almost invisible this playoff. So where the team floundered before, they are now able to maintain. Add a healthy gil and caron and its fair to think there is a chance they will be dominant.

Posted by: chris | July 3, 2008 4:34 PM | Report abuse

"When he didn't play or finally shut it down for the season, the Wiz was much more competitive with the Cavs."

Posted by: Baller4Life | July 3, 2008 3:22 PM

Was the evidence for this the one point victory that we had because Lebron missed an essentially uncontested buzzer-beater (the same kind of buzzer-beaters that they've beaten us with five or six times in the playoffs)? Or was it the 18-point blowout loss that we had at home in a deciding game?

Posted by: psps23 | July 3, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

I just don't see paying a guy 127m who don't play defense.i has a bad knee. this has allen houston written all over it.

Posted by: D.C. | July 3, 2008 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Gil.don't make noboby on this team better that's the job of a ellite player.and he's the point gaurd.I rather go after josh smith who is asking for a lot less than gil.and can check lebron.we can get him and a corey m.for what gil is asking for.

Posted by: D.C. | July 3, 2008 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Kobe Bryant doesn't make anyone on his team better either. Same goes for Paul Pierce.

Posted by: Wayne from Bowie | July 3, 2008 5:19 PM | Report abuse

Allan Houston is by all accounts a very nice human being, and probably still has a very sweet shot. As a player and a court presence, he is not in the same league as Gilbert Arenas. This contract deal is not Allan Houston deja vu.

Short of LeBron and Kobe, Iverson in his prime, or McGrady a few years back, there is no active backcourt player in this league who can take over a game and energize a crowd like Gilbert Arenas.

It remains to be seen whether he can (1) return at full speed and more importantly (2) be a more complete team player on both ends.

All we know for sure is that a very old-school NBA owner (who has seen literally seen them all) and a pretty shrewd GM (who has also played the game at a high level, including alongside Bernard King in college) are apparently willing to risk a large amount of money, the max, that they are going to get the full package with Gilbert redux. This is not Isiah maxing out Starbury here. These are people who believe that the only way they can bring the NBA championship to DC in the foreseeable future is with a team that has Gilbert Arenas as its key player and Antawn Jamison as its captain.

The people on the blog (me included) can "what if" ourselves until we are blue in the face. We can vent all manner of bull, and perhaps by so doing save some money that we might otherwise have to spend on a mental health professional, but we are not going to change the strategy that is in place.

I think the Wizards have been a pretty entertaining and largely successful team the past four years. I believe they can and quite possibly will take it to the next level over the next four years.

Peace.

Posted by: khrabb | July 3, 2008 5:45 PM | Report abuse

DCMan said that Gil is one-dimensional, a scorer, and I find myself agreeing (as hard as it is to agree with him)--that this is what Gil has been at times.

Recall the first few games of last season, and remember how terribly stagnant the offense was. Now compare it to the first 10 games after he got hurt, you will see that the offense flowed MUCH better when he was out. I'm sure DCMan will agree on this point.

Where I disagree is to jump to the conclusion that this will always be the case.

Gil is still young and in the process of maturing. Finding a brilliant scorer in the NBA (especially one who can score when everyone in the building knows he is about to shoot) is really hard.

It is RIDICULOUS to say we'd be better, long-term, without him.

Do not forget that MJ was a "brilliant scorer" early in his career (the MVP in his fourth season) whose team didn't win a title until his sixth or seventh year. Jordan (who averaged 37 a game in his second full year) was blasted routinely for selfishness re: his scoring. It was often said of him that unless he began to trust his teammates and became more of a team player, the Bulls would NEVER win a championship.

What happened? He matured. He realized he needed his teammates. He shared the ball and came to understand that he could still "do his thing" ---WITHIN the offense. The rest is history.

Am I saying Gil is the next MJ? No. But I AM saying that we should be patient, and enjoy the process of watching one of the best scorers in the NBA continue to mature and lead his team. We should enjoy watching him grow into his role, and we should be thrilled that he is on our team. I am convinced that (even if it takes a year or two more) there will come a day when he is viewed as one of the best four or five players in the game. I suspect that day will come when he makes the same transition that MJ made: from pure scorer, to facilitator/scorer.

People will say "MJ was a 2 and 2s are supposed to score first. But you don't have to look too hard to see that this is a new era in the NBA: one in which point guards will be asked to score more and more (see Chris Paul), one in which combo guards aren't strange hybrids, but rather more the norm, and one in which Gil will thrive.

What we NEED is Gil.

What we REALLY need is to have Gil realize how great this very team can be with him turning the corner from scorer extraordinairre to point guard extraordinairre.

What we really, REALLY, need is for our entire team to stay healthy for a whole season, and not be run into the ground by EJ by March as a result of playing the big 3 40 mpg.

Posted by: psdfx | July 3, 2008 6:01 PM | Report abuse

I am just throwing this one out there, but EDUARDO NAJERA????? You want a younger Posey, there it is. He is a shut down defender and he is a FA. Why not him????

Posted by: Alex | July 3, 2008 6:18 PM | Report abuse

psdfx,
I have to disagree on the comparison to Jordan's situation. When MJ arrived on the Bulls there was nobody capable of being a dependable supporting cast, exception being the hard nosed Charles Oakley and even he was not a scorer. When Pippen and Paxson were there he was able to trust their focus and abilities and hence share the ball.

Jamison has been a consistent scorer throughout out his career and Butler obvisouly had talent when he arrived and has only improved each year. Occasionally Gil would play two man with Antawn but really looked to get nobody else involved. Haywood was significantly more productive this year with Gilbert out.

I genuinely like Gil but just think he is a better fit on a Denver Nuggets type squad. The East is still a more disciplined half court game than the West and I do not believe Gil is ever going to facilitate running the offense.

Lastly, and again, what separtaed Gil from other players in the past was his explosive 1st step and tremendous ability to absorb contact at the rim. I simply cannot imagine he is going to come back from two knee surgeries and recover 100% or even 95% of that, anything less than that and he is not as special as he once was.

Abe is an old school owner and is loyal to a fault. I see the max signing for Gil the same as the endless years of suffering under Wes Unseld as coach and GM. Great heart and intent but in the end simply a bad business decision.

Posted by: Dr. Strangelove | July 3, 2008 6:37 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Here's a link for everyone | July 3, 2008 7:26 PM | Report abuse

am just throwing this one out there, but EDUARDO NAJERA????? You want a younger Posey, there it is. He is a shut down defender and he is a FA. Why not him????

Posted by: Alex | July 3, 2008 6:18 PM

Because Najera made $4.9M - He's gonna want someone's full MLE...

Posted by: Rook | July 3, 2008 7:26 PM | Report abuse

am just throwing this one out there, but EDUARDO NAJERA????? You want a younger Posey, there it is. He is a shut down defender and he is a FA. Why not him????

Posted by: Alex | July 3, 2008 6:18 PM

Because Najera made $4.9M - He's gonna want someone's full MLE...

Posted by: Rook | July 3, 2008 7:26 PM | Report abuse

Dr. Strangelove,

Great post. I like thoughtful discussion on here, not some of the sillyness that goes on. And you make great points. I especially thought the point about his explosiveness is fascinating. No point in agreeing or disagreeing, but we'll put that one in the "will be fascinating to watch" category.

Re: Gil's fitting into this system and the team playing well or poorly without him, I absolutely DO remember the horror show that was the team's offense the first 5 games of last year. It was atrociously stagnant and impossible to not get frustrated.

That said, I can go back to the LONG streak of top of the East basketball they played the year before when the team was healthy. This team (largely the same, with continually improving depth and a demonstrably improved Haywood) is enjoying something that is very important in the NBA: continuity.

I may be right about my thoughts, I may be wrong. But it will be very hard for me not to think this was a good move until I've seen this team play an entire season healthy.


Posted by: psdfx | July 3, 2008 8:07 PM | Report abuse

One more thought: Let's play devil's advocate for a moment and look at what happens if they do not sign Gil, from a business perspective.

Brand? Long shot at best. Davis? He's COMPLETELY a west coast guy and reportedly locked up. NEITHER of those guys puts butts in seats like Arenas can. A combination of a couple of mid-level talents that might include Maggette? Please. As a business (despite Dan Snyder's best efforts to prove this wrong), you have to put a good product on the court (in Snyder's case, field) to make money. And Arenas not only gives the team one of the single best scorers in the NBA who is still young enough to mature into a more complete player, he makes the team relevant. Take him away from the equation and we really WILL be back to the Bullets of Jeff Malone days in the 80s: Good enough to never get a high draft pick, bad enough to be irrelevant.

Posted by: psdfx | July 3, 2008 8:13 PM | Report abuse

first and foremost now that Posey has two rings he wants to be more than a bench player, if he comes to the wizards that exactly what hell be unless Eddie Jordan decides to cut some of Caron minutes which is like he'll be committing suicide one area that Posey can help these guys is defense and help them play team defense better that is the upside the downside is that I don't think there is a roster spot for him on this team.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 3, 2008 10:14 PM | Report abuse

" am just throwing this one out there, but EDUARDO NAJERA????? You want a younger Posey, there it is. He is a shut down defender and he is a FA. Why not him????

Posted by: Alex | July 3, 2008 6:18 PM "

I don't know who I hate more...Najera or Kurt Thomas. Both are way overrated.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 3, 2008 10:21 PM | Report abuse

"Kobe Bryant doesn't make anyone on his team better either. Same goes for Paul Pierce.

Posted by: Wayne from Bowie | July 3, 2008 5:19 PM "

Doesn't matter. Both have rings, and Kobe has multiple honors as being a top defensive player.

I could easily live with Gilby continuing to jack up shots and hog the ball if I thought this would help the Wiz win a championship, but 99.999% of the people out there don't think that can happen.

The rest of the 0.001% are on this blog.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 3, 2008 10:25 PM | Report abuse

"Answer me this DCMANN88 where you booing Arenas when he was making game winners?

Posted by: Wayne from Bowie | July 3, 2008 3:49 PM "

You know what?

Watching Gilby games in the past have actually been quite boring.

All you see is a guy either taking long bombs, or driving and getting fouled.

Everyone else is just standing around watching.

There's no point in watching a Wiz game until the last 30 seconds.

That's because the games are usually close, nobody else besides Gilby is really allowed to make anything happen, and the game is decided by a last second prayer.

By then, I've falled asleep in front of the TV.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 3, 2008 10:30 PM | Report abuse

"DCMANN YOU SOUND STUPID...WHILE ARENAS WAS OUT THEN CARON BUTLER'S PPG SHOULDNT HAVE GONE FROM 19.1 to 20.3 and JAMISON'S PPG SHOULDNT HAVE GONE FROM 19.8 TO 21.4. ARENAS AVERAGED 28.4 LAST YEAR. WHERE IS THE VOID FILLED. YES THEY INCREASED IN POINTS BY 1 AND 2 BUT THEY COULDNT FILL THE VOID. SO IN A SENSE THEY PLAY BETTER MEANS NOTHING IF THE PRODUCTION INCREASE IS MINIMAL. AS A ***TEAM*** THEY PUT LESS POINTS ON THE BOARD!!!

Posted by: Wayne from Bowie | July 3, 2008 3:25 PM '

Wayne...did you get your edumacation from a PG School?

Does it matter if a team puts "less points on a board" as long as they win?

The point, as the brilliant mark has said, is to outscore your opponents.

The only thing that matters is a win or a loss.

Apparently the team last season did well enough to get the 5th seed without Gilby and his 12 mil slot on the team.

Figure that out Pee Gee dude.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 3, 2008 10:34 PM | Report abuse

psdfx,
Agreed that we will all have to wait and see how the season unfolds and how much of Gil we get back. The one thing I would never question is his competitive spirit. I do believe he is motivated to win a championship. There is even the potential that if he does lose a little of his previous strengths he may have to change up his game a little, facilitate more and pick his spots to turn it up. Time will tell and I would be thrilled to see this all work out according to EG's plan.

As you mention, there is also the issue of what we could get for Gil presently. Not many, if any comparable players available via free agency that I see. I do like Baron Davis a great deal but not sure if the numbers could have been worked and in any respect Abe and EG had their minds set.

My biggest concern is the long term cap repercussions if it does not all come together in the next year or two.

I do like a lot of the young players we have now, particularly Nick Young, and look forward to seeing them develop further. I hope EJ gives them a little more rope, especially since this roster will be fairly static for a while.

Thanks for the feedback, I always enjoy a good exchange about the fate of my favorite franchise.

Posted by: Dr. Strangelove | July 3, 2008 11:10 PM | Report abuse

If Gilbert will take one for the time (i.e. take less money to help the team build and AJ will take less, to stay here, and build the team, why won't Etan Thomas take one for the team and retire?

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