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Hawks Match Offer Sheet For Josh Smith

The Hawks retained the services of high-flying forward Josh Smith late Friday night when they matched the five-year, $58-million offer sheet Smith signed with the Memphis Grizzlies. The Hawks didn't hesitate to sign the 22-year-old Smith, who was open to leaving his hometown team. They had to do something after losing Josh Childress to Greece earlier this summer.

Smith now stays in the Southeast Division, meaning that he will be making at least two trips to Washington next season. A Swiss-Army knife forward with freakish athleticism, Smith averaged 17.2 points, 8.2 rebounds, 3.4 assists and finished second in the NBA in the blocks (2.8).


I finally got my money. (Stanley Leary/Associated Press)

"We are happy to announce that we will match their offer sheet," Hawks General Manager Rick Sund said in a statement. "Ownership, management and the team are happy to have Josh return as a member of the Hawks. We look forward to training camp in October and we will continue to look at additional opportunities to improve our roster."

It's hard to tell what direction the Hawks are going after pushing the NBA champion Boston Celtics to seven games in the first round of the playoffs. They took a major step back in losing Childress, although they can possibly find other ways to replace his production. The problem is that other teams in the East that finished below them last season got better this summer - Chicago, Milwaukee, Indiana and even Miami.

It will be difficult for them to make a repeat playoff appearance, but at least they kept Smith. Now, they'll have to see if Smith will actually be happy there. I'm sure $58-million won't make him too upset.

I know some of you are probably wondering what happened to this blog and are searching for some more NBA news. Since I'm in China, I'm blogging for Heavy Medal about the U.S. Men's basketball team. Feel free to go over there and check out the posts. I should be updated it through out and making occasional visits here.

If you don't really care about about some Spanish cyclist or Australian swimmer, just click on the "Basketball" category to read about what's been going on with the Redeem Team in Beijing. Alright, peace.

If you really have a Wizards fix, go over to the Beijing Sports Smog and check out this post about Gilbert Arenas in China.

By Michael Lee  |  August 8, 2008; 10:56 PM ET
 
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Comments

damn, we could use him

Posted by: ak47 | August 9, 2008 12:21 AM | Report abuse

he deserves more!

Posted by: ak47 | August 9, 2008 12:22 AM | Report abuse

Here's some good news.

Josh Childress is leaving the NBA for more money.

Lebron James may leave for a Greek team for 50 mil.

Kobe Bryant may leave for an Italian team for 50 mil.

Result: Stern will lift the salary cap and let teams do whatever it takes to keep their players.

Result2: Abe Pollin will finally be exposed for being a cheapskate as he will have the lowest payroll in the NBA.

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On a larger scale, Jordan wants to win now. Like any coach who signed a two-year extension with a team option for the third year last summer, the continuity line gets old.

"But I understand Mr. Pollin's standpoint," Jordan said. "We want to stay within a certain budget for the Washington Wizards. We're not going to be like four or five or six other teams that can do anything it takes to win. Those are decisions we made within the organization. It doesn't bother me. There are times when you say, 'How come we can't get this guy?' But then you say, 'These are the parameters the organization has set.' "

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/02/16/AR2007021602210.html

Posted by: DC Man88 | August 9, 2008 12:44 AM | Report abuse

DC Man come up to the future and quit putting all of these old posts for folks to read. That is the past, the future is upon us and hopefully your hateful,spiteful blogs will end and we won't have to endure your childishness.

DC Man/Girl 88 = BIG TURD cause you are full of shiggity!

Posted by: Anonymous | August 9, 2008 9:14 AM | Report abuse

HIBACHI!!

Posted by: Anonymous | August 9, 2008 9:15 AM | Report abuse

"I'm not here to talk about the future..."

DC MarkMcGwire 88

Posted by: Anonymous | August 9, 2008 9:22 AM | Report abuse

"I'm not here to talk about the future..."

DC MarkMcGwire 88

Posted by: Anonymous | August 9, 2008 9:22 AM
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My bad, that was my post, thought they would have auto registration on this thing since the upgrade.

Anywho, DC Man, didn't you say (in rebuttal to the argument that Pollin wasn't cheap b/c he dished out $160M for Jamison & Arenas, paid for the VC with his own money, etc.) Pollin was a business man and that he was making good business decisions to maximize his profits? I'm definitely paraphrasing, but it was along those lines.

Soooo, if Pollin is a good business man, as you said, he would understand the return of a solid investment (e.g. the VC), which includes putting NBA Championship caliber teams to generate more money (playoff dates result in add'l tickets, concessions, TV revenue, etc. for Pollin)...

Posted by: CN | August 9, 2008 9:31 AM | Report abuse

There you go again CN - trying to use logic.

Posted by: Rook | August 9, 2008 10:34 AM | Report abuse

"Anywho, DC Man, didn't you say (in rebuttal to the argument that Pollin wasn't cheap b/c he dished out $160M for Jamison & Arenas, paid for the VC with his own money, etc.) Pollin was a business man and that he was making good business decisions to maximize his profits? I'm definitely paraphrasing, but it was along those lines.

Soooo, if Pollin is a good business man, as you said, he would understand the return of a solid investment (e.g. the VC), which includes putting NBA Championship caliber teams to generate more money (playoff dates result in add'l tickets, concessions, TV revenue, etc. for Pollin)...

Posted by: CN | August 9, 2008 9:31 AM "

Pollin is a good business man if you want to squeeze blood out of a rock and make money like that. Lux tax welfare, $8 beers, added charge if you don't pick tickets up at the box office, etc.

In terms of "doing whatever it takes to win," though, that's a different story.

That's why Abe offered Gilby max money, but with the caveat that if Gilby took it, then it would hamper what the team could because hell would freeze over first before he would go out on a limb and make a transaction that would result in going over the lux tax threshold.

If Stern removes the salary cap, the best and most likely thing to happen is that Abe will bow out immediately and finally sell.

Posted by: DC Man88 | August 9, 2008 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Who was out there that "was available to get" that the Wizards had a salary cap slot to sign.

Please don't go into the Brand or Okafor rants. In both cases the Wizards would have had to renounce Gil and Jamison to sign ONE player. Not a step forward.

Presented with the problem of potential huge money overseas the league my need to consider extending some form of the "Larry Bird Rights" to the luxury tax or can the idea all together. Can't see that the best league in the world is going to allow it's top talent to go to Europe because teams are being imposed a dollar for dollar tax for going over the LT to retain them.

For the Wiz it's important as the league moves forward in the next few years that our top players are signed. The league might actually have to lose a player to europe before it responds to the situation.

Posted by: GM | August 9, 2008 12:10 PM | Report abuse

"RIP" BERNIE MAC

Posted by: Anonymous | August 9, 2008 12:23 PM | Report abuse

The Wizards should look at Salim Stoudamire the brother of Damon Stoudamire he can replace Roger Mason with his 3 point shooting

Posted by: Pimp C | August 9, 2008 12:26 PM | Report abuse

DC Man88 keeps whining about the luxury tax. "please, please Abe Pollin! please exceed the luxury tax, and the team will become a contender!" I guess they would use all that extra dough to get, whom? Emeka Okafor? tell you what: if you want the Wizards to go over the luxury tax, you need to start spending a lot more money on Wiz merchandise. you need to purchase 3 or 4 Arenas jerseys, that's where you should start.

wealthy franchises in bigger markets have an easier time going over the tax. but going over the tax doesn't ensure anything at all. take last season, for example.. the following teams went over the luxury tax threshold:

1. Knicks $45,142,002
2. Mavs $7,204,968
3. Nuggets $2,022,418
4. T-Wolves $998,536
5. Spurs $196,082

Knicks: the textbook example of why it doesn't work to throw money at a problem. ah, but if only they had Emeka Okafor!

Mavs: gone after the first round for two years straight. they won one game against the Hornets .

Nuggets: gone after the first round for 5 consecutive years. they won zero games in their 08 series against the Lakers.

T-Wolves - nuff said.

Spurs - built three championship teams working under the luxury tax. went over the tax in 08, and it didn't get them over the hump.

Posted by: satch | August 9, 2008 1:17 PM | Report abuse

"DC Man88 keeps whining about the luxury tax. "please, please Abe Pollin! please exceed the luxury tax, and the team will become a contender!" I guess they would use all that extra dough to get, whom? Emeka Okafor? tell you what: if you want the Wizards to go over the luxury tax, you need to start spending a lot more money on Wiz merchandise. you need to purchase 3 or 4 Arenas jerseys, that's where you should start.

Posted by: satch | August 9, 2008 1:17 PM "

Go ask Abe and EG that.

They told Gilby that if he accepted the max money contract, then that would hamper the team's flexibility in getting free agents.

Gilby, the nice guy that he is (chuckle), took about 16 mil less.

What did the Wiz do this year with that cushion?

They let Mason walk and signed someone called Dee Brown pt. 2.

Wow....EG's got GM of the year locked.

Posted by: DC Man88 | August 9, 2008 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Boy, you really don't listen do you DC Man88....

Grunfeld said that the "flexibility" that Gil provided was NOT for this year - but for the next year and the years after that.

Listen up - pay attention - learn.

Posted by: Rook | August 9, 2008 5:20 PM | Report abuse

"RIP" BERNIE MAC

Posted by: Anonymous | August 9, 2008 12:23 PM

+1
Great commedian & he will be missed. Very sad indeed.

Posted by: zxhoya | August 9, 2008 10:56 PM | Report abuse

"Boy, you really don't listen do you DC Man88....

Grunfeld said that the "flexibility" that Gil provided was NOT for this year - but for the next year and the years after that.

Listen up - pay attention - learn.

Posted by: Rook | August 9, 2008 5:20 PM "


*chuckle....*

Sorry Dood, I will judge EG by his actions, not his words.

Don't be surprised if EG doesn't keep the promise that you hold so close to your heart.

Pay attention to this:

EG let Mason walk who was a consistent scorer last season, and in fact, was their best 3 point shooter (.398) over 100 shots. Instead, he chose to bring a nobody onboard by the name of Dee Brown.

Hooray for Mason...he's in a better place anyway.

Posted by: DC Man88 | August 9, 2008 11:18 PM | Report abuse

Mason walked because he wanted more playing time. And even if the Wiz had offered more money he would have walked anyway because he would not have been able to get all of the playing time he got last year when the team was plagued with injuries. Mson stated as much when interviewed. It was also about playing time for him and not just the money.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 10, 2008 9:13 AM | Report abuse

good trade darius songaila for desmond mason

Posted by: Anonymous | August 10, 2008 11:00 AM | Report abuse

"Mason walked because he wanted more playing time. And even if the Wiz had offered more money he would have walked anyway because he would not have been able to get all of the playing time he got last year when the team was plagued with injuries. Mson stated as much when interviewed. It was also about playing time for him and not just the money.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 10, 2008 9:13 AM "

puhleaze.

Unless you're Mason or Mason's agent, you don't know if there's a stipulation in his new Spurs contract that he will get at least the same # of minutes for a Spurs team that is much better than the suckee Wiz.

Oh I forgot, you also have a crystal ball that says the Wiz will be healthy this season, unlike the past 2 seasons, and that Mason would lose minutes as a result.

BTW, it still reflects poorly on the Wiz that they didn't even make an attempt to resign him, lost their best 3 point shooter, and all they could get in return was someone by the name of Dee Brown Jr.

Posted by: DC Man88 | August 10, 2008 4:06 PM | Report abuse

BTW, it still reflects poorly on the Wiz that they didn't even make an attempt to resign him, lost their best 3 point shooter, and all they could get in return was someone by the name of Dee Brown Jr.

Posted by: DC Man88 | August 10, 2008 4:06 PM

uh, correction.. they didn't lose Gilbert Arenas.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 10, 2008 8:55 PM | Report abuse

"uh, correction.. they didn't lose Gilbert Arenas.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 10, 2008 8:55 PM "

Hey dunce, why are you even bringing up Gilby's name when I didn't even mention him?

He has absolutely nothing to do with the statement I made.

Go correct yourself.

Posted by: DC Man88 | August 10, 2008 10:47 PM | Report abuse

ahem.. "the wizards lost their best 3 point shooter"

no, they didn't lose Gilbert.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 10, 2008 10:50 PM | Report abuse

"ahem.. "the wizards lost their best 3 point shooter"

no, they didn't lose Gilbert.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 10, 2008 10:50 PM "

Huh?! Dunce? You again?

Gilby is a career .358 shooter from 3.

Mason is a career .374 shooter from 3.

.374 > .358

ahem.......

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/stats?playerId=974

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/stats?playerId=1721

Posted by: DC Man88 | August 10, 2008 10:58 PM | Report abuse

BTW, Gilby has a career 3 point shooting percentage only one thousandth of a point better than DS.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/stats?playerId=808

Posted by: DC Man88 | August 10, 2008 11:11 PM | Report abuse

Well, there's one crucial flaw in your reasoning: Gilbert's shots are *contested*.

Roger Mason's shots by & large were not contested. Roger was a good shooter, but he's a set shooter who benefited from people double teaming Gil and Caron, leaving him wide open. If teams left Gil open as often as they did Roger, he'd be hitting in the mid-60th percentile and up.

So again, just to correct you: the Wizards did not lose Gilbert Arenas, their best 3-point shooter.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 10, 2008 11:16 PM | Report abuse

Also, even going strictly by the numbers as you suggest, the Wizards' best 3-point shooter during the regular season last year was Nick Young, who hit 40%. See http://www.nba.com/wizards/stats/2007/index.html

So all hail Nick Young, the Wizards' best 3-point shooter.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 10, 2008 11:20 PM | Report abuse

FYI - They didn't lose Nick Young, either.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 10, 2008 11:30 PM | Report abuse

DC Turd your opinion is not the only one. You also are not Mason's agent so you don't know either. This is not your blog only and others can come and speak their opinion. You friggin IDIOT! I also heard Mason say the same thing as the poster above and he seems liike a good dude so why would he lie. Get a friggin life butt hole! DC MAN/GIRL 88 = GIANT TURD!

Posted by: Anonymous | August 11, 2008 7:17 AM | Report abuse

"Well, there's one crucial flaw in your reasoning: Gilbert's shots are *contested*.

Roger Mason's shots by & large were not contested. Roger was a good shooter, but he's a set shooter who benefited from people double teaming Gil and Caron, leaving him wide open. If teams left Gil open as often as they did Roger, he'd be hitting in the mid-60th percentile and up.

So again, just to correct you: the Wizards did not lose Gilbert Arenas, their best 3-point shooter.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 10, 2008 11:16 PM "

What a joke.

Sorry, but you're losing sight of the statement and making up crazy excuses.

Stats show that Mason was the team's best 3 point shooter, and BTW, don't bring your weak argument about Nick Young and his .400.

I already mentioned earlier in this blog topic when I said the "best 3 point shooter with more than 100 shots." See below.

-------------------------------------------

EG let Mason walk who was a consistent scorer last season, and in fact, was their best 3 point shooter (.398) over 100 shots. Instead, he chose to bring a nobody onboard by the name of Dee Brown.

Hooray for Mason...he's in a better place anyway.

Posted by: DC Man88 | August 9, 2008 11:18 PM

Posted by: DC Man88 | August 11, 2008 8:57 AM | Report abuse

"DC Turd your opinion is not the only one. You also are not Mason's agent so you don't know either. This is not your blog only and others can come and speak their opinion. You friggin IDIOT! I also heard Mason say the same thing as the poster above and he seems liike a good dude so why would he lie. Get a friggin life butt hole! DC MAN/GIRL 88 = GIANT TURD!

Posted by: Anonymous | August 11, 2008 7:17 AM "

Stupid Lisa...stop faking. Leave this blog as you promised!

And, stop the personal attacks!!!!

Posted by: DC Man88 | August 11, 2008 8:59 AM | Report abuse

BTW, where is that nurd "rook" anyway? He was the stat bean counter who said that percentages go down as dudes take more shots. It is true.

NY shot .400 while taking 100 shots.

Mason shot .398 while taking 327 shots.

Doesn't really matter anyway, b/c I made the remark about Mason being the team's best 3 point shooter for attempts over 100, and percentage-wise, it's still better than Gilby who's not the best 3 point shooter as the anon-turd was proven wrong!

Posted by: DC Man88 | August 11, 2008 9:02 AM | Report abuse

Unless you're Mason or Mason's agent, you don't know if there's a stipulation in his new Spurs contract that he will get at least the same # of minutes for a Spurs team that is much better than the suckee Wiz.

Posted by: DC Man88 | August 10, 2008 4:06 PM


Mason said in an interview with Comcast SportsNet that he wanted more playing time - and he thinks he'll be able to get it on the Spurs. The Spurs made an offer to Mason that the Wizards couldn't match (it would have put them over the Luxury Tax, AND it would have hurt their flexibility in 2009-2010).

Mason didn't leave because the Wizards "let him go" - he left for more playing time, and more money.

Posted by: Rook | August 11, 2008 10:10 AM | Report abuse

You can argue who has the better "stats" , or who is the better contested 3-point shooter, or the better open 3-point shooter.... but ask yourself this:

Who do you want taking the last shot of the game from 3-point land? Nick Young? .... Roger Mason? ..... or Gilbert Arenas?

99.1% of the sane people in the world would pick Arenas!

Posted by: Rook | August 11, 2008 10:13 AM | Report abuse

Damn,
I turn my head for one sec and you guys start responding to 'the other guy' again. As you've all seen, it's a lost cause. Any so called fan that would refer to his team as the 'suckee Wiz' doesn't even deserve to be engaged in conversation. Ignoring him makes for much more peaceful, cogent conversation. Let's get back to that.

(Watch as he cuts and pastes this entry, calls me a name and says something derogatory though I've not said anything rude or even remotely untrue. So predictable.)

Posted by: mark | August 11, 2008 10:17 AM | Report abuse

I'd put my $7000 on Gilbert making the shot over Roger Mason.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 11, 2008 10:19 AM | Report abuse

I think most players want more playing time just so they can get more money. Sometimes the visibility of being on a good team is enough to get someone paid even if they're average. It remains to be seen whether this was a good move or not but with NY here, RM's minutes were going down eventually, not up. It's probably worth a gamble.

Posted by: mark | August 11, 2008 10:26 AM | Report abuse

"Mason said in an interview with Comcast SportsNet that he wanted more playing time - and he thinks he'll be able to get it on the Spurs. The Spurs made an offer to Mason that the Wizards couldn't match (it would have put them over the Luxury Tax, AND it would have hurt their flexibility in 2009-2010).

Mason didn't leave because the Wizards "let him go" - he left for more playing time, and more money.

Posted by: Rook | August 11, 2008 10:10 AM "

Again, that darned lux cap threshold.

Mason was not a restricted free agent. Why couldn't the Wiz come out with an offer without waiting to counteroffer?

The Wiz basically let Mason walk. Showed no interest in keeping him, their best 3 point shooter (over 100 shots, as I said).

Posted by: DC Man88 | August 11, 2008 10:50 AM | Report abuse

"Who do you want taking the last shot of the game from 3-point land? Nick Young? .... Roger Mason? ..... or Gilbert Arenas?

99.1% of the sane people in the world would pick Arenas!

Posted by: Rook | August 11, 2008 10:13 AM "

Umm, which is why Gilby gets paid 121 mil plus and Mason or NY don't.

This again, has absolutely nothing to do with my point that Mason is the team's best 3 point shooter. Absolutely nothing.

In case you didn't learn, or didn't know, there are 48 minutes in a game.

In your world, the first 47 min, 59 seconds doesn't mean much though, I guess.

Posted by: DC Man88 | August 11, 2008 10:55 AM | Report abuse

"Damn,
I turn my head for one sec and you guys start responding to 'the other guy' again. As you've all seen, it's a lost cause. Any so called fan that would refer to his team as the 'suckee Wiz' doesn't even deserve to be engaged in conversation. Ignoring him makes for much more peaceful, cogent conversation. Let's get back to that.

(Watch as he cuts and pastes this entry, calls me a name and says something derogatory though I've not said anything rude or even remotely untrue. So predictable.)

Posted by: mark | August 11, 2008 10:17 AM "

Huh?!?!

I thought you weren't getting back on this blog until the season started. Which rock did you just crawl out of?

Go back to sleep.

Posted by: DC Man88 | August 11, 2008 10:56 AM | Report abuse

"I'd put my $7000 on Gilbert making the shot over Roger Mason.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 11, 2008 10:19 AM "

You can start earning that $7k by support AB's needs. I'm sure he'll pay you cash.

Posted by: DC Man88 | August 11, 2008 10:58 AM | Report abuse

Clewiston (DCmam88) why are you such a hater?

Posted by: Anonymous | August 11, 2008 12:14 PM | Report abuse

"Clewiston (DCmam88) why are you such a hater?

Posted by: Anonymous | August 11, 2008 12:14 PM "

Why are you such a hater? Oh, b/c you can't handle the facts.

Posted by: DC Man88 | August 11, 2008 12:25 PM | Report abuse

" Well, there's one crucial flaw in your reasoning: Gilbert's shots are *contested*.

Roger Mason's shots by & large were not contested. Roger was a good shooter, but he's a set shooter who benefited from people double teaming Gil and Caron, leaving him wide open. If teams left Gil open as often as they did Roger, he'd be hitting in the mid-60th percentile and up."

this is exactly why Reddick would fit at the right price.

Posted by: G$ | August 11, 2008 1:48 PM | Report abuse

"but he's a set shooter who benefited from people double teaming Gil and Caron, leaving him wide open. If teams left Gil open as often as they did Roger, he'd be hitting in the mid-60th percentile and up."

this is exactly why Reddick would fit at the right price.

Posted by: G$ | August 11, 2008 1:48 PM "

Hmmmm...

Did you know that Gilby only played 13 games last season? And, Caron only played 58 games?

How in the world did Gilby playing in only 13 games leave Roger Mason wide open last season to enable him to have the best shooting percentage of his career from 3?

Some people...reaching for excuses like reaching into a bag but finding nothing but steaming poo....

Posted by: DC Man88 | August 11, 2008 3:00 PM | Report abuse

"this is exactly why Reddick would fit at the right price."

Except Mason isn't just a "set shooter." He's also a good ballhandler (as evidenced by his role as primary backup PG in Arenas' absence) who is capable of putting the ball on the floor and a decent defender, neither of which Reddick is.

Posted by: kalorama | August 11, 2008 3:28 PM | Report abuse

LMAO!

Roger Mason is now a "PG" for the Spurs.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=1721

Posted by: DC Man88 | August 11, 2008 3:55 PM | Report abuse

On a lighter note, Yi Jian Lian is so so so so so lucky that the NJ Nets isn't coached by Dougie Collins.

Otherwise, we'd see a Kwame Pt. 2.

http://www.netsdaily.com/blog/?p=532


Also, Mike Lee made a hilarious report on LeEgo yesterday.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/09/AR2008080902077.html

Posted by: DC Man88 | August 11, 2008 4:00 PM | Report abuse

"LMAO!

Roger Mason is now a "PG" for the Spurs."

Posted by: DC Man88 | August 11, 2008 3:55 PM


why is that surprising? Roger played at point quite a bit with the Wizards, especially when AD was injured.

I wish Roger all the best, I would've loved to see him stay in a Wiz uniform. I don't think he's a better 3-point shooter than Gil, or Caron for that matter - Caron's improvement beyond the line was huge last season. but Roger was up there. he hit some great shots in clutch moments - one of the only consistently good bench players for the Wizards late in the game. the Spurs will love having him, he'll give them a very different look from Tony Parker.

Posted by: satch | August 11, 2008 8:32 PM | Report abuse

Strange....

People on this blog seem to think that a lower shooting percentage constitutes a better 3 point shooter. Next thing we'll read is that height is a detriment for a post player, or that being able to dribble a ball is overrated.

Some morons have even said that Mason had a higher field goal percentage last season because he was always open...never guarded...because teams were busy doubling Gilby (who only played 13 games) or Caron (who played only 58 games).

Again, assuming Gilby and Caron played all 82 games each and left Mason wide open every single game, many NBA ballers like Reggie Miller would easily admit that the wide open shot, especially the 3, is the hardest shot to hit in the NBA.

Posted by: DC Man88 | August 12, 2008 1:20 AM | Report abuse

Anyone who's ever played ball will tell you that shooting an open shot is MUCH easier than shooting a contested shot. The only problem with wide open shots is that shooters sometimes tend to slow down and shoot the ball in a slower rhythm because they have more time. That throws them off. Most good players shoot in the same rhythm the same way every time regardless of how far away the defender is.

You're an idiot, dcwoman88.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 12, 2008 7:14 AM | Report abuse

Anyone who's ever played ball will tell you that shooting an open shot is MUCH easier than shooting a contested shot.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 12, 2008 7:14 AM

Backed up by statistics.

http://www.82games.com/saccon.htm


Posted by: Rook | August 12, 2008 8:02 AM | Report abuse

DC Man88

Are you at it again. Why are you up in the middle of the night drawing attention to yourself? I thought we got your rejection issues under control. Did you talk to the source of your rejection(your mother) like we discussed. Didn't we talk about your need for attention not being normal? You should replace your rejection issues with something positive. Do you have a woman to confirm you? The medication obviously isn't working, maybe we need to fit you with a straight jacket, or electronic shock therapy.

Talk to my secretary to schedule your next appointment in 2 days.

Posted by: DC Man88's therapist | August 12, 2008 8:03 AM | Report abuse

Strange....

People on this blog seem to think that a lower shooting percentage constitutes a better 3 point shooter. Next thing we'll read is that height is a detriment for a post player, or that being able to dribble a ball is overrated.

Some morons have even said that Mason had a higher field goal percentage last season because he was always open...never guarded...because teams were busy doubling Gilby (who only played 13 games) or Caron (who played only 58 games).

Again, assuming Gilby and Caron played all 82 games each and left Mason wide open every single game, many NBA ballers like Reggie Miller would easily admit that the wide open shot, especially the 3, is the hardest shot to hit in the NBA.

Posted by: DC Man88 | August 12, 2008 1:20 AM

Stranger......

Someone on this blog seems to think that the Wizards would be a better team without Gilbert Arenas. Next he'll probably say the Wizards would be better with Cobe Karl or Sun Ming Ming.

Some moron claims that the best 3-point shooter on the team is the one with the best "stats"; then goes on to poo-poo "stats" when others use them to make a point.

This same person uses a quote by Reggie Miller to claim that a wide open 3-pointer is the "hardest shot to hit in the NBA"; when every NBA Offense is geared to getting open shots.... Every coach stresses open shots..... Every statistic shows open shots are easier (higher percentage).....


Maybe Wierd is a better word....

Posted by: Anonymous | August 12, 2008 8:11 AM | Report abuse

LMAO!

There are way too many personal attacks on this blog!

I'm glad you guys have such a following with me.

Posted by: DC Man88 | August 12, 2008 8:37 AM | Report abuse

Don't you think you antagonize the attacks on you? You crave it. You need to deal with your issues. Once you deal with your issues, you will find that this blog will evolve into more of what it is meant for. More basketball related blogging and less attacks on you DC Man88. You created the environment and do so 99% of the time. The 1% of the time that you have something valid and anti-inflamatory, it gets lost amongst your intentional negativity. Thus, a change in medication is recommended.

Posted by: DC Man88's therapist | August 12, 2008 8:50 AM | Report abuse

Except Mason isn't just a "set shooter." He's also a good ballhandler (as evidenced by his role as primary backup PG in Arenas' absence) who is capable of putting the ball on the floor and a decent defender, neither of which Reddick is.

Posted by: kalorama | August 11, 2008 3:28 PM

Why do you always have to pick apart a post and add twists and turns? The comment was about wide open shots and who can make them. Mason, like Reddick, is a streak shooter first and foremost. Neither is a superb ball handler and/or defender. They are what they are. Their niche on an NBA team will be to come in in spots and have the green light for open 3's. If they make them, they get more looks minutes. If they miss them, they will sit. Mason's not going to San Antonio to be Tony Parker or Bruce Bowen. He's going there to be a guy who probably can play 12 - 18 minutes most nights and will be expected to knock down some shots and be professional & wave a towel if he's not.

Posted by: G$ | August 12, 2008 9:15 AM | Report abuse

Again, Kalorama is posterized

Posted by: Anonymous | August 12, 2008 9:29 AM | Report abuse

"Don't you think you antagonize the attacks on you? You crave it. You need to deal with your issues. Once you deal with your issues, you will find that this blog will evolve into more of what it is meant for. More basketball related blogging and less attacks on you DC Man88. You created the environment and do so 99% of the time. The 1% of the time that you have something valid and anti-inflamatory, it gets lost amongst your intentional negativity. Thus, a change in medication is recommended.

Posted by: DC Man88's therapist | August 12, 2008 8:50 AM "

Get a life and start talking about basketball.

If people can't handle others being critical about the Wiz, and especially Gilby, then they need to go jump off a building.

Posted by: DC Man88 | August 12, 2008 9:51 AM | Report abuse

Why do you always have to pick apart a post and add twists and turns? The comment was about wide open shots and who can make them. Mason, like Reddick, is a streak shooter first and foremost. Neither is a superb ball handler and/or defender. They are what they are. Their niche on an NBA team will be to come in in spots and have the green light for open 3's. If they make them, they get more looks minutes. If they miss them, they will sit. Mason's not going to San Antonio to be Tony Parker or Bruce Bowen. He's going there to be a guy who probably can play 12 - 18 minutes most nights and will be expected to knock down some shots and be professional & wave a towel if he's not.

Posted by: G$ | August 12, 2008 9:15 AM

If J.J. Reddick were an equivalent player to Roger Mason, then the Spurs would have signed Reddick at a much cheaper price. Even if Mason's role with the Spurs will simply be to hit open shots does not detract from the value of his other skills, skills that surpass those of Reddick. Nick Young has proven that when open from three he can hit shots with regularity, the Wizards do not need J.J. Reddick.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 12, 2008 9:56 AM | Report abuse

"Anyone who's ever played ball will tell you that shooting an open shot is MUCH easier than shooting a contested shot. The only problem with wide open shots is that shooters sometimes tend to slow down and shoot the ball in a slower rhythm because they have more time. That throws them off. Most good players shoot in the same rhythm the same way every time regardless of how far away the defender is.

You're an idiot, dcwoman88.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 12, 2008 7:14 AM "

Really?

Which pro/NBA team did you play for?

Or is it the bowl team you're associated with, meaning toilet bowl.

Stick to your NBA Live and your easy open looks.

It's stupid for anonymous fools to get on this blog and talk about what are easy and what are difficult shots when they haven't played a fraction of a second of pro ball in their weak attempt to counter players such as Reggie Miller who are future hall of famers that say open 3's are more difficult.

In the end, once again, it doesn't friggen matter b/c Gilby only played 13 games and Caron played 58 games which means Roger Mason did not have wide open looks "because of double teams to Gilby and Caron" like some fool said.

Posted by: DC Man88 | August 12, 2008 9:56 AM | Report abuse

If people can't handle others being critical about the Wiz, and especially Gilby, then they need to go jump off a building.

Posted by: DC Man88 | August 12, 2008 9:51 AM

Being defensive is another sign of your illness DC Man88. It will get better.

As far as your saying that people can't handle people being critical of the wiz, I might say that people can handle it. They get irritated only because they perceive an intent on your part to antagonize others. In your therapist's opinion, you really do want to antagonize people because you like the attention it gets you. If you say people can't handle people being critical of the wiz, you can't handle being called out on your issues. Please take your medication.

Posted by: DC Man88's therapist | August 12, 2008 10:31 AM | Report abuse

Anonymous: "Also, even going strictly by the numbers as you suggest, the Wizards' best 3-point shooter during the regular season last year was Nick Young, who hit 40%. See http://www.nba.com/wizards/stats/2007/index.html
So all hail Nick Young, the Wizards' best 3-point shooter."

Ah, I like statistics. :)

Last season, Young shot .400 3p, Mason .398. However, Young only shot a total of 100 3 pointers the whole season. So the difference of .002 amounts to less than one shot. Statistically, this difference is meaningless (to put it in layman's term, the difference is the result of the different number of shots they took, and not because Young is a "better" shooter).

I do agree with you that Mason is more a "set shooter," while Young likes to dribble before he shoots (sometimes missing the split second when he was open).

Another interesting observation from last year's stats: Young and Mason are the only two Wizards' players who had better 3 pt percentages than the average of Wizards' opponents.

Posted by: Sagaliba | August 12, 2008 10:42 AM | Report abuse

"Being defensive is another sign of your illness DC Man88. It will get better.

As far as your saying that people can't handle people being critical of the wiz, I might say that people can handle it. They get irritated only because they perceive an intent on your part to antagonize others. In your therapist's opinion, you really do want to antagonize people because you like the attention it gets you. If you say people can't handle people being critical of the wiz, you can't handle being called out on your issues. Please take your medication.

Posted by: DC Man88's therapist | August 12, 2008 10:31 AM "

Get a life and stop with the personal attacks!

LMFAO!

Posted by: DC Man88 | August 12, 2008 10:48 AM | Report abuse

Roger Mason is a decent baller, but he got caught in a numbers game. Should he want to be 3rd string behind Gilbert and Daniels at point, and DeShawn and NYoung at the 2? No, he deserves to be second string, not 3rd string. As far as him being the best 3baller, he is better than Daniels, DeShawn, and NYoung, but not Gilbert. Nobody in the league has Gils's range. And don't forget, just like Gil is a 2 playing the point, so is Roger. Roger is not as good running the point as Gil though either. If he was better at the point, he would have been second string point guard here. At the 2, he doesn't play defense as well as DeShawn and we all know how much the wizards need defenders, but Nick is first round pick player in waiting. Roger needed to go to a team that has a guaranteed rotation spot for him.

Posted by: G-Man | August 12, 2008 11:07 AM | Report abuse

"Roger Mason is a decent baller, but he got caught in a numbers game. Should he want to be 3rd string behind Gilbert and Daniels at point, and DeShawn and NYoung at the 2? No, he deserves to be second string, not 3rd string. As far as him being the best 3baller, he is better than Daniels, DeShawn, and NYoung, but not Gilbert. Nobody in the league has Gils's range. And don't forget, just like Gil is a 2 playing the point, so is Roger. Roger is not as good running the point as Gil though either. If he was better at the point, he would have been second string point guard here. At the 2, he doesn't play defense as well as DeShawn and we all know how much the wizards need defenders, but Nick is first round pick player in waiting. Roger needed to go to a team that has a guaranteed rotation spot for him.

Posted by: G-Man | August 12, 2008 11:07 AM "

Roger Mason is the best 3 point shooter on the team based on how his career percentage compares to others on this team. End of story.

All this other BS about not being guarded, about waiting to shoot, about being too open, about this and that, is all hog sh#t. It stinks and doesn't mean squat.

Besides all that, please don't compare what is expected out of Gilby vs Roger, as far as running the point, this and that, and more hog crap.

Gilby should be doing more, as he's getting 120+ mil and Roger isn't.

Posted by: DC Man88 | August 12, 2008 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Are you blaming Gilbert for signing the contract? How much money does Gilbert make for Pollin? How much does Roger? How much does anybody else, including Caron, make for Pollin? What do you want Gilbert to do? Wash cars, sell beer and popcorn? Don't hate because you don't get paid like that to play basketball. You act as if Gilbert is Juwan Howard. When was the last time the wizards/bullets had someone who not only started, but deserved to start the all-star game? Is Gilbert the best point guard in the NBA, no. Nobody is saying that, but you act like he is trash, you know it and I know it. Matter of fact, when has Gilbert had the opportunity to play with a legitimate low-post threat? Tony Parker has Tim Duncan. Nash has Amare.

By the way, I agree with your therapist.

Posted by: G-Man | August 12, 2008 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Of course Gilbert Arenas should do more to make the Wizards a bigger winner. Everyone knows this, including Gilbert and time will tell. Next subject?

Posted by: khrabb | August 12, 2008 12:09 PM | Report abuse

This blog is all Gilbert all the time. If Michael Lee were to post about how Team USA is doing, by the 3rd comment someone would bring up how Gilbert got booted from the team in tryouts, how much better/worse the team would be with him, if he could find a much ballyhooed parachute in China or if he would bring his own, etc, etc, etc.

Posted by: Anonymoss | August 12, 2008 12:25 PM | Report abuse

"Why do you always have to pick apart a post and add twists and turns? The comment was about wide open shots and who can make them. Mason, like Reddick, is a streak shooter first and foremost. Neither is a superb ball handler and/or defender."

Why do you always have to go into spin mode and try to make up things that no one said in a sad attempt to cover your ass whenever someone points out a flaw in your argument?

I never said Mason was a "superb" ballhandler or defender. I said he was a "good" ballhandler and a "decent" defender. Which he is. Reddick is neither. He's a one dimensional, standstill shooter, which means suggesting that he'd be perfect to fill Mason's role is flat out wrong. He flat out can't do at least two of the things Mason was routinely counted on to do. And he remains unproven in the one area where he (supposedly) could fill in, because even though he has a high 3 pt shooting percentage, it's a meaningless number because he only ever plays garbage time against the other team's dregs. He has yet to prove he can hit big shots against top flight defensive players when the game still matters. Mason has.

Posted by: kalorama | August 12, 2008 1:02 PM | Report abuse

"If J.J. Reddick were an equivalent player to Roger Mason, then the Spurs would have signed Reddick at a much cheaper price. Even if Mason's role with the Spurs will simply be to hit open shots does not detract from the value of his other skills, skills that surpass those of Reddick. Nick Young has proven that when open from three he can hit shots with regularity, the Wizards do not need J.J. Reddick."

What he said.

Posted by: kalorama | August 12, 2008 1:04 PM | Report abuse

"Mason's not going to San Antonio to be Tony Parker or Bruce Bowen. He's going there to be a guy who probably can play 12 - 18 minutes most nights and will be expected to knock down some shots and be professional & wave a towel if he's not."

Wrong. Again.

Team's don't pay SGs $3.5-4 mil/yr to play 12 mpg and wave towels. That's the same money that Stevenson is getting paid to be the Wizard's starter.

Posted by: kalorama | August 12, 2008 1:15 PM | Report abuse

DC Man88, you missed your appointment. I am getting concerned for your well-being.

Posted by: DC Man88's therapist | August 12, 2008 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Please you guys don't argue with the Town Fool/DCMan/Girl88. As another poster stated, if we would just ignore ALL OF his posts, he would only be arguing with himself and thus look even more foolish. Everytime you entertain one of his posts, even with best intentions, he finds a way to act an arse. Especially with the Gil bashing. Now, no one is saying Gil is above reproach but his anti-Gil ramblings verge on some sort of sickiness mentally.

So come you guy, Krabb,Mark,GM,Sagaliba,etc. I enjoy reading your posts,even when you have differing opinions, but this other person turns this blog in to a bastion of hell. Ignore him please for the sake of all that is holy. Ignore his ass!

Posted by: Anonymous | August 12, 2008 1:34 PM | Report abuse

BTW, the amount the Spurs are paying Mason is also more than the Spurs paid Michael Finley the last two seasons when he averaged 22 and 27 mpg.

So I don't see much towel-waving in Mason's future.

Posted by: kalorama | August 12, 2008 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Anonymous, you're right. Ignoring the other guy works. During the time that no one responded to him, there was no problem here. As soon as someone engaged him, it was only a matter of time....

Posted by: mark | August 12, 2008 1:56 PM | Report abuse

I will certainly blog with you guys and will use my real moniker :-) I don't use it now because "it" will take it and post under it pretending "it " is me. Let's at least test the theory of ignoring for a week or so and see what happenes. But, be prepared for some harsh posts form the other as they will be upset that they are being ignored. Make no mistake about it, he will push all kinds of profane and vile buttons, but just read on keep ignoring no matter how hard it is. Maybe then "it" will move on to another blog and this blog can once again become enjoyable.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 12, 2008 2:05 PM | Report abuse

if ignoring him doesn't work, call his therapist.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 12, 2008 2:09 PM | Report abuse

markie, I thought you were banning yourself from this blog until the season starts? I guess not.

People on this blog can yap all they want about me, but it's obvious that with every single one of my posts, there are multiple posts that respond.

It's ridiculous how the Gilby lovers pounce, but funny (in a ridiculous way) at the same time.

BTW, Lisa still bl%ws.

Posted by: DC Man88 | August 12, 2008 2:32 PM | Report abuse

he is trolling. SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!! be quiet! call his therapist

Posted by: Anonymous | August 12, 2008 2:38 PM | Report abuse

DC Man88

Ignore them. Fight the urge. You don't need the attention. You can do it. Don't let your demons win.

Posted by: DC Man88's therapist | August 12, 2008 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Roger Mason is not going to start in San Antonio barring a major injury to Bowen or Parker. I'm not even sure he could run their offense any better than Jacques Vaughan who has no J. My point was not intended to be an argument. You turned it into that. The point was that what the poster said in regards to a guy who could hit open outside shots off of penetration and double teams could fill a void on THIS team which just happened to be the role that Roger Mason was best suited for. Had Gil not been injured, we would have only seen Mason in spots. Nobody ever said Reddick was better than Mason or could do more than Mason. I said Reddick can shoot the 3 when open and he would have opportunities in situations on this time with the right line-up out there. Now that Mason is being paid, the ROLE HE HAD WITH THE WIZ and AT THE SALARY HE HAD WITH THE WIZ is something JJ REDDICK (SHOULD HE HAVE BEEN AVAILABLE) could fill IN MY OPINION. We all know he's only available via trade and in all likelihood, its not going to happen.
P-E-R-I-O-D

Posted by: G$ | August 12, 2008 3:23 PM | Report abuse

"Roger Mason is not going to start in San Antonio barring a major injury to Bowen or Parker."

First of all, nowhere in this thread did I say Mason was going to start, and nowhere was that part of this particular discussion. That being said ...

What do Bowen and Parker have to do with anything? Neither of them play Mason's position. Mason is primarily a SG. And right now, the only SGs the Spurs have under contract are Ginobili (whom Pop prefers to bring off the bench in the regular season) and Mason. Barry signed with the Rockets and Finley hasn't been offered a deal. So if Mason isn't going to be the starter, who is?

"Now that Mason is being paid, the ROLE HE HAD WITH THE WIZ and AT THE SALARY HE HAD WITH THE WIZ is something JJ REDDICK (SHOULD HE HAVE BEEN AVAILABLE) could fill IN MY OPINION."

Yes, yes .. it's your opinion. Woo hoo, oh happy days. (I love how people think using all caps somehow makes a bad argument carry more weight.) Guess what? I think your opinion is without merit or validation.

Mason's role on this team was more than a spot up shooter. He did a number of things (including consistently hit open shots) that Reddick has yet to prove himself capable of doing at the NBA level. Until he does, there is no factual evidence to support your opinion that he can replace Mason. None.

That's my opinion. It's different than yours. You can either accept that and move on, or you can try to defend your position. If you chose to do the former, then I guess we're done here. Fine with me. But if (as you have so far) choose to do the latter, then you lose the right to accuse anyone else of arguing, because every time you try to defend your position, you're furthering an argument. You can't get away with whining about someone else arguing while actively engaging that same person in an argument. Can't have it both ways.

Ball's in your court.

Posted by: kalorama | August 12, 2008 3:50 PM | Report abuse

"DC Man88

Ignore them. Fight the urge. You don't need the attention. You can do it. Don't let your demons win.

Posted by: DC Man88's therapist | August 12, 2008 2:49 PM "

up yours.

Posted by: DC Man88 | August 12, 2008 4:03 PM | Report abuse

DC Man88

Come on.....give in. Go ahead and respond to them. Everyone needs attention.

Posted by: DC Man88's demons | August 12, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

when you said "Team's don't pay SGs $3.5-4 mil/yr to play 12 mpg and wave towels. That's the same money that Stevenson is getting paid to be the Wizard's starter," you implied that he would be in San Antonio. He very well could be BUT that remains to be seen.

"Mason's role on this team was more than a spot up shooter. He did a number of things (including consistently hit open shots) that Reddick has yet to prove himself capable of doing at the NBA level."

First and foremost, Mason's role last year with the Wiz evolved due to injury. He would have ridden the pine and played only in spots had the team not suffered a rash of injuries and not been forced to give him run at point. As a result, he gained his coach's confidence and was able to produce because he got P-T due initially to injury. Van Gundy's hand was never forced so Reddick didn't have an opportunity due to injury and then when he voiced his opinion about not playing and wanting to, he was black-balled.

All of this still doesn't change the fact that the guy can shoot. Your claim that he can't shoot at the NBA level is shallow because you base it on his ball-handling and defensive deficiencies. That's like saying a CB in football shouldn't get P-T because all he can do is play bump and run and is deficient at playing zone, special teams and some safety or linebacker.

Posted by: G$ | August 12, 2008 4:49 PM | Report abuse

"when you said "Team's don't pay SGs $3.5-4 mil/yr to play 12 mpg and wave towels. That's the same money that Stevenson is getting paid to be the Wizard's starter," you implied that he would be in San Antonio.",/i>

Nope. I was simply pointing out that you don't pay a guy starter money to play 12 mpg and wave a towel. There are plenty of backups making as much or more than some starters, but most of them play big rotation minutes off the bench. Most of the ones who don't were bad signings who get nailed to the pine. Mason falls into neither category.

"He would have ridden the pine and played only in spots had the team not suffered a rash of injuries and not been forced to give him run at point."

(A)Pure speculation and (B) irrelevant.

"Van Gundy's hand was never forced so Reddick didn't have an opportunity due to injury and then when he voiced his opinion about not playing and wanting to, he was black-balled."

Bullsh#t. I love this craze whereby whenever a player you don't like gets benched it's because he sucks but whenever a player you like gets benched it's because the coach hates him. Check the tape. he was collecting DNPs well before he "voiced his opinion" and after he was healthy. If that weren't the case, why would have had to say anything?

Coaches are paid to win games and they'll play the players who they think will aid in that goal. Orlando has an all-star low post big who gets double-teamed every time he catches the ball down low. That's the text book perfect scenario for a great shooter to thrive in. If Reddick was even a fraction of the player you've deluded yourself into believing, he would have gotten time. Hell, they needed a guy like him to step up. He didn't. P-E-R-I-O-D.

"All of this still doesn't change the fact that the guy can shoot. Your claim that he can't shoot at the NBA level is shallow because you base it on his ball-handling and defensive deficiencies."

And your claim that that's the basis of my argument is utter nonsense and horsesh#t. I'll say it again ... he has yet to prove himself an NBA caliber scorer/shooter/anything else, because the only minutes he ever plays is in garbage time when the game is already decided and he's being defended by scrubs (assuming the other team even bothers to play defense). Until he proves he can do something against A (or even B) list NBA competition, he's a bench warming bust of a first rounder.

Posted by: kalorama | August 12, 2008 5:22 PM | Report abuse

flip murray anyone

Posted by: Anonymous | August 12, 2008 6:15 PM | Report abuse

EDIT:

"Mason falls into neither category."

SHOULD HAVE READ:

Mason doesn't fall into the latter categorry."

Posted by: kalorrama | August 12, 2008 6:42 PM | Report abuse

"DC Man88

Come on.....give in. Go ahead and respond to them. Everyone needs attention.

Posted by: DC Man88's demons | August 12, 2008 4:41 PM "

booorrring......

You gotta do better than that, and you clearly need a life and are craving attention.

Again, stick to talking about basketball and stop the personal attacks!

Posted by: DC Man88 | August 12, 2008 9:48 PM | Report abuse

I thought we might sign Fabio but Detroit wanted him back. Drat!

Entering Bonzi Watch Day 27...

Posted by: khrabb | August 13, 2008 4:16 AM | Report abuse

Please stop. Please stop. Please stop and stick to basketball. I am sorry!

Posted by: DC Man88 | August 13, 2008 7:59 AM | Report abuse

When this deal gets sealed, this will prove Gilby wrong again, just like he was wrong about Luol Deng and his contract situation.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3532139

Sixers are going to be good. Can't wait to see EBrand match up against AJ.

Posted by: DC Man88 | August 13, 2008 8:42 AM | Report abuse

"Please stop. Please stop. Please stop and stick to basketball. I am sorry!

Posted by: DC Man88 | August 13, 2008 7:59 AM "

hey other guy, we know you're not the one who posted this dumb post....if anything, I'm the one who's sorry.

Not only because of the nonsense I've written on the blog, but because of me being me.

Posted by: mark | August 13, 2008 8:44 AM | Report abuse

Congrats AI, Deng, and Okafor...you guys proved that Gilby is an id!ot and should not be blogging, let alone opening his yap about other player's bidness.

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/49700/20071213/arenas_iguodala_doesnt_have_it/

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3513164

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3509028

Posted by: DC Man88 | August 13, 2008 9:08 AM | Report abuse

This is an excerpt of Gilby's id!otic comments that I found on the web that someone copied from his blog...read the last sentence where he says these players need to be punched in the face....Gilby is the one who needs to be punched in the face by the players he badmouthed.

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Let’s Talk Contracts
I know a lot of people, you know, you hear about the Bulls team and why they’re losing because of their players entering free agency … You know, I want to say something to some of the young players out there in this game today. Especially somebody like Luol Deng who turned down that big contract. You don’t turn down $12 million. Period. That’s me, personally. I learned when I did my deal: Don’t look at other people’s money when you do your deal. Unfortunately, that’s what this league is about. They see a player that they think they’re better than, and then try to jump over them.

So now, Luol, you’re over here in a contract year and you’re not doing so well as a team. You get paid as a team. Now you’re going to be a free agent, and if you keep this up, that $12 million might not be on the table. So he turned down $12 million, Okafor said he wants Dwight Howard’s money … I mean, you ain’t Dwight Howard. It’s like them two had a discussion together about turning down the $12 million. Then Iguodala turned down $12 million … What is going on in the NBA? Iggy, you’re from Arizona, baby. You don’t turn down that much money. I don’t know who your agent is, but Agent Zero says you don’t turn down that $12 million.
I just don’t understand it. Then Varejao, he asked for $60 million and ends up with three years for $17 million. You could have got that contract last summer! You done missed 20 games of the season getting paid the same money you could have got last summer. For the deal you just signed, you could have got that this summer from the Cleveland Cavaliers without losing no basketball time. By the time you’re playing again and are ready back in your form, I’m going to be playing again! It’s a damn shame.

If I was they parents … Whooo! They would get some nice little butt whippings. Not trying to be funny here, but what’s the difference between 12 and 13 or 14? I mean, I know they’re all looking for max deals … but it’s like Charles Barkley says, max players put people in them seats. If you’re not putting people in them seats, you are not a max player.

If you average 15-16 points, you’re not a max player. It ain’t just about scoring, but I know Okafor is asking for Dwight’s money, but he’s doing what Dwight does. If you did what Dwight does, then that’s an argument, but you don’t. So don’t ask for Dwight money, $12,000,000 is what you get.

Same thing with Luol. I love the way Luol plays, but right now if you’re not better than Tayshaun and Carmelo and the best threes out there, if you aren’t valuable to your team like that … I mean he’s valuable to the Bulls, but not in the ways that those guys are. So, $12,000,000 is what you got.

Same thing with Iguodala. I know after A.I. left, you were supposed to be that No. 1 guy, but, the way he plays the game, he doesn’t have that. He’s not that type of player. He’s a second guy. An assistant coach told me a great story about him. When he was in Arizona, he said he was like 9-for-11 from the field and he apologized to the team for shooting 11 shots. From that day on, I just called him Scottie Pippen. He’s a Scottie Pippen type of player. A great, overall player. He’s your glue player. You need a superstar and then you need him. So $12 million is good for you. Nothing more and nothing less. Be happy with the $12 million.
With me, everybody was like “Oh, they overpaid!” And then two years later it was like, “Oh, they underpaid!” No! At the time, that’s what they offered me and that’s what I took. So if I become a four or five-time All-Star after that, hey, I wasn’t underpaid. At the time, that’s what I was worth. I might have increased my value since then, but at the time, that’s what I was worth.

At this time, $12 million is what they’re all worth. Nothing more and nothing less.

Same thing with Ben Wallace when he got paid his $60 million through four years. At that time, at that moment, that summer, he was worth that. I’m not saying that’s what he’s worth now, but at the time he signed, that’s what he was worth.

This is where when keeping it real goes wrong. Sometimes holding out is for the good, sometimes it backfires which is happening now to some players. This year has been the weirdest year I’ve ever seen with Matt Barnes signing a one-year deal, with Pietrus – who did well – signing a one-year deal and then I don’t know if you all even know this, when Jameer Nelson went at Devin Harris and said, “I should be getting paid like Devin Harris, what does he do?” At the end of the day, Devin Harris got paid what Dallas wanted to give him. That’s not Devin Harris’ fault. Don’t blame Devin Harris.

That’s what players don’t understand. You’re sitting there worrying about what somebody else is getting and you end up not seeing what’s in front of you and you’re going to be mad at the end of the day.

What’s the difference between 12 and 13 or 14? I know it’s $1 million, that’s a lot of money, but if you’re sitting there asking for 13-14 and they offer you 12 and you say, “No” then next summer you get offered, 10 or nine, now you’re going to be looking back like Joe Smith. He would never ever get that money back when he turned down that $90 million from Golden State. Y’all got to start looking at these people man. Sprewell, he turned down $21 million. I think he’s still holding out!

People don’t realize, these people do exist.

Samaki Walker – I played with Samaki. He told me the story. He turned down the money in Dallas because he was looking at all these other people getting paid. There’s all these other people getting max deals and he’s thinking, “Man, I was killing for Dallas so I wanted to hold out and then I end up signing a $3 million deal, got traded to the Lakers where I’m sitting behind Shaq, from there I came over here as a free agent.” He never made that money back. He ended up losing $40-some million.

You never know what’s going to happen. Nothing is guaranteed. I’m talking to three players that are trying to get $12 million and I gave you three examples of players who lost a total of almost $200 million. One lost $90 million and he ended up signing a $20-something million deal – Joe Smith. Samaki lost $40-something million and ended up signing a total of $8 million and Sprewell turned down $21 million.

That’s what I’m saying, people be looking at other peoples’ money. You’re looking at other peoples’ things and you’re trying to do your contract off of their contract. People are put in different situations. You don’t know what their situation is. When I signed my deal, I was happy to sign my deal. I wasn’t looking around to see who was getting paid, I didn’t care because I knew they shouldn’t be caring about mine.

The person who taught me that lesson was Jay-Z in one of his songs, “Where is the Love?” It’s something funny like, “I don’t (bleep) what you eat” or “What you eat don’t make me (bleep).” That’s basically the same thing I think.

It ain’t about just Iggy, Deng and Emeka, it’s about everyone. It’s about all young players out there who are going into negotiating and who are be going to do it in the future. If somebody offers you $12 million and you think you’re worth more than that, somebody should punch you in your face if you turn down that money. What if you get hurt and you can’t play basketball again? You just lost $60 million. You just threw away a great lottery ticket. That’s what people don’t understand

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Posted by: DC Man88 | August 13, 2008 9:09 AM | Report abuse

If he doesn't stop beating me, I swear I will call PETA on him.

Posted by: Dead Horse | August 13, 2008 9:21 AM | Report abuse

"If he doesn't stop beating me, I swear I will call PETA on him.

Posted by: Dead Horse | August 13, 2008 9:21 AM "

LOL!

I don't think I ever reported on Gilby's diarrhea of the mouth before with regard to him commenting on other people's contracts.

In any regard, this news and proof is current b/c AI is set to sign his contract if he has not already.

Too bad for you.

Posted by: DC Man88 | August 13, 2008 9:24 AM | Report abuse

"reported"

LMAO!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | August 13, 2008 9:30 AM | Report abuse

the point you miss Mr Kalorama is that Mason GOT the chance to prove himself. Perhaps he did some things in practice but what I saw last year was the guy made the most of his in-game opportunities DUE to the players in front of him being injured and forcing his coaches hand.

Most teams didn't double team Dwight Howard in the post last season. And those who did succumbed to big games from Turkglo or R Lewis beating them with open shots. Orlando isn't a fit for him. They have forwards who can shoot the 3 and they need their guards more so for defense and setting the offense although Turkglo played a lot of point forward.

By no means am i hailing Reddick as a great/proven player who the WIZ positively, absolutely need to go all out to acquire. To be honest, I don't even like the guy. I am a Terp/Hoya fan and I despise most Duke players with the exception of Brand/Boozer.

But right now as far as the NBA goes, Reddick's the great UNKNOWN...and he's in the wrong spot to get some play. If he were on one of the newer teams or one with an influx of youth, don't try and tell me the guy would not get minutes. And you need minutes to put up numbers and prove yourself.

I do know that the guy can shoot the rock.

Posted by: G$ | August 13, 2008 9:32 AM | Report abuse

This blog has now descended into the bowels of hell!

Posted by: Anonymous | August 13, 2008 10:13 AM | Report abuse

"LMAO!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | August 13, 2008 9:30 AM "

too bad for you!

Posted by: DC Man88 | August 13, 2008 10:24 AM | Report abuse

"This blog has now descended into the bowels of hell!

Posted by: Anonymous | August 13, 2008 10:13 AM "

Quick, go find an escape hatch and leave and don't look back!

Posted by: DC Man88 | August 13, 2008 10:25 AM | Report abuse

Congrats AI, Deng, and Okafor...you guys proved that Gilby is an id!ot and should not be blogging, let alone opening his yap about other player's bidness.

Posted by: DC Man88 | August 13, 2008 9:08 AM


Congrats DC Man, you've proven yourself an id!ot and should not be commenting, let alone opening your yap about players' bidness.

You know when you actually talk about basketball and aren't either attacking everyone on this board who doesn't agree with you or b!tch!ng about Gilbert, you actually have some quality points. But the way you present them makes everyone else not care what you have to say.


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But right now as far as the NBA goes, Reddick's the great UNKNOWN...and he's in the wrong spot to get some play. If he were on one of the newer teams or one with an influx of youth, don't try and tell me the guy would not get minutes. And you need minutes to put up numbers and prove yourself.

I do know that the guy can shoot the rock.

Posted by: G$ | August 13, 2008 9:32 AM


Reddick blows. P-E-R-I-O-D

His a$$ has never done much more than ride the pine in the NBA even before Van Gundy got to Orlando.

You talk about him being a great shooter, and he may be, but he has trouble getting his shot off against NBA sized 2-guards. Then you'll bring up "wide open shots" except that these rarely come by in the NBA and he'll never be there for these moments of rarity because he's a defensive liability who shouldn't be in the game in the first place.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 13, 2008 10:47 AM | Report abuse

"Congrats DC Man, you've proven yourself an id!ot and should not be commenting, let alone opening your yap about players' bidness.

You know when you actually talk about basketball and aren't either attacking everyone on this board who doesn't agree with you or b!tch!ng about Gilbert, you actually have some quality points. But the way you present them makes everyone else not care what you have to say.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 13, 2008 10:47 AM"

If you don't like my delivery, that's your problem, not mine.

I can suggest plenty of bridges or buildings in this area that you could jump off of if it bothers you that much.

BTW, stop initiating/making personal attacks and stick to talking about basketball.

Posted by: DC Man88 | August 13, 2008 10:53 AM | Report abuse

Damon Jones has made a career of shooting wide open shots off of double teams and/or penetration. He did it in Miami and it got him a big contract from Cleveland. Tim Legler did it. Craig Hodges did it. Jeff Hornacek did it. Steve Kerr, John Paxson,...A lot of people did. None of the aforementioned were known for much else other than their shooting and their shots were mostly wide open. Only an idiot fouls a 3 point shooter or a guy shooting a long range 2. They got paid for their firepower. Get your facts straight Anonymous one.

Posted by: G$ | August 13, 2008 11:00 AM | Report abuse

"Mason GOT the chance to prove himself."

And he got the chance last season because, prior to last season, before Arenas got hurt, he'd already proven to the coach and GM that he was worth keeping around, which is why he got re-signed in the summer of 2007 and Taylor didn't. You talk like Mason came out of nowhere prior to last season. That's utter crap. He got the shot last season because he worked hard before that (in practice and in whatever garbage time he got, when he wasn't getting any real PT) to prove he deserved a shot. What's Reddick's excuse? (Yeah, yeah, I know. The coach hates him, blah, blah.)

"Most teams didn't double team Dwight Howard in the post last season.",/i>

Flat out untrue.

"But right now as far as the NBA goes, Reddick's the great UNKNOWN...and he's in the wrong spot to get some play.

Again, wrong. If he was any good, he'd be in the perfect spot to get some play. Yet he's not playing.

"I do know that the guy can shoot the rock."

No, you really don't. You think, hope, pray, dream he can. But he hasn't done jack to prove that to be true at the NBA level.

Posted by: kalorama | August 13, 2008 11:07 AM | Report abuse

Okay, what buildings/bridges do you suggest?

Posted by: Anonymous | August 13, 2008 11:08 AM | Report abuse

"Okay, what buildings/bridges do you suggest?

Posted by: Anonymous | August 13, 2008 11:08 AM "

Bridges*:
American Legion
14th St
Bay Bridge

Buildings:
Put on a mask, wear a camo jacket, and scale the fence at 1600 Penn. When people approach, pretend to reach for something.

* Tie a rope around your neck with the other end on a cinder block. That should work.

Posted by: DC Man88 | August 13, 2008 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Cool, thanks for reporting on those buildings/bridges. Did you put that list together from personal experience or did you contact your sources? Also, I don't think I will try that 1600 Penn. thing, I remember something like that not working out too well for Lonny Baxter.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 13, 2008 11:31 AM | Report abuse

"Cool, thanks for reporting on those buildings/bridges. Did you put that list together from personal experience or did you contact your sources? Also, I don't think I will try that 1600 Penn. thing, I remember something like that not working out too well for Lonny Baxter.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 13, 2008 11:31 AM "

Huh?

Make some sense.

If it's from personal experience, I wouldn't be here giving you a suggestion right here and now.

Go try it, and report back. Hopefully you won't be able to.

Posted by: DC Man88 | August 13, 2008 11:44 AM | Report abuse

Hi, it's me reporting again. To all my loyal followers, I hope you enjoy:

http://hoopshype.com/interviews/jamison_barrigon.htm

Posted by: DC Man88 | August 13, 2008 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Can't go jumping today I'm afraid. I'm no reporter though. I'll tell you how it goes and then you can report it. Cool interview. Did you have to show AJ any press credentials to set that up?

Posted by: Anonymous | August 13, 2008 12:02 PM | Report abuse

BTW, stop initiating/making personal attacks and stick to talking about basketball.

Posted by: DC Man88 | August 13, 2008 10:53 AM

Do you mean like "gilby needs to be punched in the face"
come on practice what your preaching

Posted by: Anonymous | August 13, 2008 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Kalorama - So who do you suggest the Wizards get? Please name at least one. Or maybe you believe the roster will take them all the way to the conference finals.

Posted by: JJ | August 13, 2008 12:42 PM | Report abuse

"Do you mean like "gilby needs to be punched in the face"
come on practice what your preaching

Posted by: Anonymous | August 13, 2008 12:40 PM "

I didn't know Gilby posted comments on this blog. Since he doesn't, the comment about "personal attacks" doesn't apply.

Posted by: DC Man88 | August 13, 2008 12:44 PM | Report abuse

"Can't go jumping today I'm afraid. I'm no reporter though. I'll tell you how it goes and then you can report it. Cool interview. Did you have to show AJ any press credentials to set that up?

Posted by: Anonymous | August 13, 2008 12:02 PM "

Again, if you have a problem with my delivery, that's your problem, not mine.

Posted by: DC Man88 | August 13, 2008 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Again? LMAO! I never once stated my displeasure with your "delivery". You must have me mistaken with someone else. No big deal. I have no problem with the way you deliver your reports and editorials.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 13, 2008 1:33 PM | Report abuse

"Again? LMAO! I never once stated my displeasure with your "delivery". You must have me mistaken with someone else. No big deal. I have no problem with the way you deliver your reports and editorials.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 13, 2008 1:33 PM "

Yeah, I must have mistaken you for another anonymous person on this blog. You should complain that someone is posting things anonymously like you.


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""Congrats DC Man, you've proven yourself an id!ot and should not be commenting, let alone opening your yap about players' bidness.

You know when you actually talk about basketball and aren't either attacking everyone on this board who doesn't agree with you or b!tch!ng about Gilbert, you actually have some quality points. But the way you present them makes everyone else not care what you have to say.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 13, 2008 10:47 AM"

If you don't like my delivery, that's your problem, not mine.

I can suggest plenty of bridges or buildings in this area that you could jump off of if it bothers you that much.

BTW, stop initiating/making personal attacks and stick to talking about basketball.

Posted by: DC Man88 | August 13, 2008 10:53 AM "

Posted by: DC Man88 | August 13, 2008 2:32 PM | Report abuse

"Kalorama - So who do you suggest the Wizards get? Please name at least one. Or maybe you believe the roster will take them all the way to the conference finals."

An irrelevant query, because the first part of the question has nothing to do with the second.

I've already addressed this issue multiple times over the past several months. If you really want to know my answer (and we both know you don't actually care) feel free to search through the archives; it can be found many times.

Posted by: kalorama | August 13, 2008 3:13 PM | Report abuse

And I won't even bother to address the ridiculous premise underlying your question, i.e., that acquiring Reddick would have any effect whatsoever on the team's title chances.

Posted by: kalorama | August 13, 2008 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Nah, complaining about small stuff like that is largely a waste of time. There's nothing stopping people from posting using my name on here. It doesn't bother me.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 13, 2008 3:45 PM | Report abuse

(I've already addressed this issue multiple times over the past several months.)

Besides attacking some other people's post I haven't heard anything from you. Again, please do name a person you believe will help the team.

Posted by: JJ | August 13, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

(And I won't even bother to address the ridiculous premise underlying your question, i.e., that acquiring Reddick would have any effect whatsoever on the team's title chances.)

Did I say that?

Posted by: JJ | August 13, 2008 4:59 PM | Report abuse

Cavs just got Mo Williams, Wizard killer of note... EG, it's time to pull a bunny out of the hat...

Posted by: khrabb | August 13, 2008 6:19 PM | Report abuse

Dwight Howard rarely got double teamed last season which is why he became even more dominant in the paint. Name the team(s) who did? The guy began to get the respect of the refs and went to the line more than any other big. The pub and his winning the dunk contest, being on the Olympic team and the fact that the guy flat out makes up for his lack of a true plethora of post moves simply with raw athleticism plays a part too. You didn't/ don't watch more Magic games than I did so quit acting like you are one of their coaches and just know everything about them.

I never said acquiring Reddick was necessary for the Wiz. I said someone who can shoot 3's is.

You continue to try and compare and contrast his game to Mason's when the only comparison to be made was that BOTH can shoot the pill and is the $ in their game regardless of who played more, who proved this or that to their coach.

And like the other poster, I'm interested to see who you think the Wiz could use to better their roster instead of shooting down whomever else a poster suggests might be a good fit on the Wiz. That's how the whole Reddick thing got started.

I also said the Wiz could use a defensive guy (maybe a 4 or 5) who can bang, rebound and enforce in the paint....an energy guy off the bench who can do the dirty work and score without the offense running through them.

Other than Okafur, I haven't seen you drop a list of viable candidates... at least while I'm on here.

Posted by: G$ | August 14, 2008 9:17 AM | Report abuse

G$ - Sorry to disappoint you but Kalorama will never answer our question as he's afraid it will expose his st#p@dity and ignorance on the subject.

Posted by: JJ | August 14, 2008 11:36 AM | Report abuse

I am of the school of thought that the Wizards do need either to:

(a) Spend their remaining $1.2 million on a free agent who could back up at the 3, play a bit of defense and score. Of all the available players, that would be Bonzi Wells. Taking a low-risk high potential gain flyer on Darius Miles might also be an option here... OR

(b) Do a deal or deals that would bring in a younger back up PG and a higher quality back up 3... in return, for example, for Antonio Daniels (who could help a young team) and Darius Songalia (who could provide muscle and savvy upfront for a team that is short-handed in the frontcourt). In that context, Daniels could go to Oklahoma City for Desmond Mason, Songalia to Memphis for Kyle Lowrey.

Note also that it is likely that Houston will waive Sean Singleterry, who was a throw-in in the Artest deal. A lot of people wanted us to look at Sean as a second round pick but he was gone to Scaramento when our turn came and we selected Bill Walker and immediately shipped him to Boston for cash. If management thinks that either Singleterry or Dee Brown could step into Daniels' shoes, then Daniels for Mason would be sufficient.

There is also a possibility that the Cavs might consider Delonte West expendable, having just picked up Mo Williams. An even up trade of Daniels for West could help both teams (the Cavs could still use a true point guard for the 5 minutes or so a game that LeBron sits and to take some pressure of James to run the offense whenever he is in the game, and the Wizards offense is such that a combo guard who has real three point range like West would be an upgrade over Daniels, who is a fine backcourt player but has virtually no confidence at or behind the arc), and then a Bonzi signing would cover the back up 3 issue.

Posted by: khrabb | August 14, 2008 1:06 PM | Report abuse

the only issue with the trades is the $ has to match going both ways or a 3rd team has to be brought in for it to work. Singletary might be a good fit though. i think ultimately, ernie g will carry 14 and hold on to the $1.2 mil. barring injury, no other teams are going to want Daniels salary until next year when it becomes an expiring contract. the same with Etan's. i'd say no to darius miles and bonzi wells.

Posted by: G$ | August 14, 2008 1:36 PM | Report abuse

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