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Arenas to Miss Camp, Season's First Month (Updated)

Gilbert Arenas confirmed Wednesday that he underwent a surgical procedure this morning that "cleaned out some debris" in his left knee and won't be ready to play for the Wizards until early December. Arenas, who has undergone two surgeries to repair the left knee in the last two seasons, has been limited during the rehab process all summer and said he has planned all along on not participating in training camp or the preseason.

Arenas, who signed a six-year, $111 million contract this summer, will miss training camp, the preseason and at least the first month of the regular season. The Wizards open the regular season Oct. 29 at home against New Jersey and play a total of 14 games in October and November.

"I just had some floating debris in there that was slowing me down," said Arenas, who seemed to be in good spirits. "It was irritating the knee so we decided to go in there and clean it out. This should actually allow me to come back faster."

Team president Ernie Grunfeld said later Wednesday that the Wizards were aware of the surgery. He said the decision was made to clean the knee out when Arenas experienced some pain and swelling after "ramping up" the intensity of his rehab workouts in recent weeks.

Grunfeld also made it clear that the team signed Arenas to his long-term deal this summer with the understanding that he was going through the rehab process and might not be ready for the upcoming season.

"We thought the possibility was there but we're looking at the big picture with Gilbert," Grunfeld said. "He's 26 years old and we're confident that he will be able to return and resume his career."

Arenas was limited to 13 regular season games last season and missed the final eight regular season games and the playoffs the previous season after tearing the left meniscus in the knee during a game against Charlotte on April 4, 2007.

The Wizards have two point guards on the current roster -- Antonio Daniels and Dee Brown -- and has precious little space underneath the luxury tax threshold. It would appear, as of right now, that the Wizards will go into the season with this group and wait for Arenas to get healthy.

The team has set no timetable for Arenas' return.

Other notes:

- Grunfeld repeatedly made it clear that the team has set no timetable and that Arenas will return only when he's ready.

- I asked Grunfeld about going into the season with Antonio Daniels and Dee Brown as his two point guards entering the season. Remember, a key piece to last season's team -- Roger Mason Jr. -- is now a Spur.

"Yes we do (feel comfortable)," Grunfeld said. "We went through the same thing last year and we had success. We have other guys who can handle the ball. We have a two-guard offense anyway and we don't primarily rely on just a point guard, so I feel good about where we are right and now and think that we'll be a very competitive team."

- For those of you wondering whether the Wizards would consider a move for Jamaal Tinsley of the Indiana Pacers, forget about that. Larry Bird has made it clear that he wants Tinsley out of Indy, but the guy has three years and $21 million remaining on his deal and I'm told that the Wiz have no interest.

- A few hours after I posted my report, the Wizards released a statement detailing the specifics of the procedure Arenas underwent today. It was called an athroscopic lavage, otherwise known as a "washout," and was performed by Dr. Marc Connell, who also performed the first two surgeries on the knee.

"After Gilbert's normal course of rehabilitation was ramped up, he experienced some swelling and discomfort in the knee," Connell said in the statement. "A subsequent MRI showed that the knee was surgically sound. The decision was made to perform an arthroscopic lavage procedure, during which a moderate amount of debris was removed after saline solution was washed through the knee. The presence of the debris is common with the nature of his previous injury. This was a proactive procedure that will enhance his rehabilitation process."

By Ivan Carter  |  September 17, 2008; 5:09 PM ET
 
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Comments

Here we go again. The curse of the Boule. I love to see Gilbert sink the game ending shot, but he does not seem to do that recently. Can I get $200K per game not to play?

Posted by: Dismayed in Alexandria | September 17, 2008 12:12 PM | Report abuse

This is terrible. Three years in a row. I hope they get it right this time.

Posted by: millie mill | September 17, 2008 12:36 PM | Report abuse

ouch.... oh well, let the basing begin :-\

Posted by: hmmmmm | September 17, 2008 12:37 PM | Report abuse

basing=bashing.... oops

Posted by: hmmmmm | September 17, 2008 12:38 PM | Report abuse

"NOOOO!!!! It's Not Possible!!!!!"

Posted by: Jon JANSEN | September 17, 2008 12:38 PM | Report abuse

The saving grace is that we've been here before. If "Agent Zero" needs that month to rucupperate and get into playing shape so be it. I'd much rather have him at 100% and playing with confidence anyway. I think the guard situation will work itself out. I'm much more interested to see if Thomas will work with Haywood. If there's still some friction, I'd much rather see Etan, even with his offensive liabilities, moved to the 4, and put Blatche at 5. That way, McGee, Thomas, and Songaila can rotate at the Power Forward position, while Haywood, Blatche, and Pecherov can plug and play at Center.

Posted by: KappaKidToo | September 17, 2008 12:39 PM | Report abuse

What do you mean, your coach and your GM do not know? How does this keep happening to this team?

Posted by: upset | September 17, 2008 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Isn't this eerily like Grant Hill in Orlando? Or is it just my imagination?

Posted by: Scott | September 17, 2008 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Why am I not suprised by this news? Year after year, season after season, it's the same old story. Thankfully, EG made some great offseason moves to help this team out should we start the season without one of our starters - ooops my bad, EG didn't do anything this offseason!

All we kept hearing is that the Wiz had the best record in the Eastern Conference in 2006 before the injury bug hit so we rely on them returning to that level of play in 2008-2009? That's total #$#@#!

The Wiz should change their names to the "Washington Letdowns" because that's all they've been for the last THIRTY years!

Please Mr. Pollin, sell the team.

Posted by: CJ Baltimore | September 17, 2008 12:42 PM | Report abuse

This is not good. I just don't see where this is good. This is the third procedure he's had on that knee. What in the hell is wrong with the Wizards team doctor's that they just can't seem to get this thing right??!! This crap is frustrating!!!

Posted by: ADS26 | September 17, 2008 12:48 PM | Report abuse

nice job in fooling Washington to get him again. what a waste of money.. I'd get two above average players in exchange for areanas.
his fantasy ranking would sink again.

Posted by: Kel | September 17, 2008 12:48 PM | Report abuse

If Gilbert comes back 100% healthy in December, DCMan will eat his own shorts.

There's no way this team will get back to their level of play from two years ago.

Every other team in the East (except Atlanta) got better. We drafted a 7ft. center that weighs 95 lbs. oh yeah, Etan comes back - yippee!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 17, 2008 12:48 PM | Report abuse

To everyone on here who gave me a bunch of crap when I was begging the Wiz not to overpay Gilbert over the summer:

I TOLD YOU SO!!!!!!!

There, I feel SOOO much better now and you all know who you are. :)

- Ray

Posted by: Ray | September 17, 2008 12:50 PM | Report abuse

And by the way, you don't miss a "month" from just some "floating debris." I don't believe that for a second.

- Ray

Posted by: Ray | September 17, 2008 12:51 PM | Report abuse

resigning Gilbert was one of the dumbest mistakes Grunfield ever made

Posted by: Glen from D.C. | September 17, 2008 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Exactly... why is it that these guys go off on vacation and then decide to have surgery just before the season? I was happy when he was resigned, but it may have been a mistake to sign him in light of this, I hope I'm wrong...

Posted by: tommyboye | September 17, 2008 12:52 PM | Report abuse

get a grip and have some compassion for the guy...its not like he has control over his knee and as hard as he works..im sure he does lots of rehab...i feel bad for the guy

Posted by: yo | September 17, 2008 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Horrible signing for the money they're giving him. Gil is not a guy you can win a championship with as your #1 guy even if he's 100%.

Posted by: Rob | September 17, 2008 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Hey "upset" no one said that the coach and GM didn't know, Ivan simply said that he (Ivan) wasn't sure how much they knew and/or whether or not this was anticipated.

Posted by: Joe Blow | September 17, 2008 12:53 PM | Report abuse

that means they didn't know

Posted by: Scott | September 17, 2008 12:53 PM | Report abuse

What great off season moves did EG make? Did I miss something?

Posted by: Craig | September 17, 2008 12:54 PM | Report abuse

We officially have our own Grant Hill now.

Posted by: Wizzy | September 17, 2008 12:54 PM | Report abuse

that means they didn't know

Posted by: Anonymous | September 17, 2008 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Wow, this news is shocking!

Posted by: guitaristo | September 17, 2008 12:56 PM | Report abuse

That was the easiest $111 million anybody ever made.

Posted by: Robin Ficker Broker Robin Realty | September 17, 2008 12:56 PM | Report abuse

This is an easy one....final deposit invoices just went out to season ticket holders; that's why no advance notice of this.

Posted by: sunnyman | September 17, 2008 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Here we go again.....same issues, same players, same coaches...ergo same result!

Posted by: JJ | September 17, 2008 12:57 PM | Report abuse

nice job in fooling Washington to get him again. what a waste of money.. I'd get two above average players in exchange for areanas.
his fantasy ranking would sink again.

Posted by: Kel | September 17, 2008 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Why did he wait until now for the surgery? If doing it now causes him to miss an entire month, why didn't he do it 3 months ago - they weren't playing then. Good use of $111 mill.

Posted by: Zimm | September 17, 2008 12:58 PM | Report abuse

I don't have a college degree, know nothing about the medical world, know nothing about sports medicine...I think I'll apply for the Wizards head trainer position.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 17, 2008 12:58 PM | Report abuse

KappaKid, Blatche is too light in the a@# and too foul prone to play the 5.

Posted by: Craig | September 17, 2008 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Pollin needs to pack up and get outta town. That guy is a dark cloud over the franchise. I wish Leonsis could take over like yesterday.

Posted by: scott | September 17, 2008 1:01 PM | Report abuse

I think the Wizards made a bad investment resigning Gilbert. He's going to be another Penny Hardaway.

Posted by: whos your daddy | September 17, 2008 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Gilbert Arenas is a fraud.

Posted by: Joe Schmo | September 17, 2008 1:04 PM | Report abuse

The Grant Hill thing is right on target, although Hill never played healthy for the Magic. When they signed him, he'd had mostly healthy, All-Star level seasons for the Pistons and had just injured his ankle in the playoffs - it looked like the sort of injury that would not be problematic. It turned out that it was more than problematic - it was the end of Hill's ability to play at an All-Star level, and kept him out for the majority of the games that he was under contract in Orlando.

Gilbert has been battling this knee injury for almost 2 years now, and we resigned him to the big contract knowing that he might never be able to play again. Given his inability to come back from the first surgery, it seems pretty ridiculous to expect that he could come back as the same player from a second surgery. Now it looks like we will spend this year dealing with the same stuff as last year: When will Gilbert come back? How effective will he be? Can he come back at all? Can he stay healthy if he does?

If Gilbert does manage to come back and play most of this year, he's probably not going to have his quickness back until next year - this is knee surgery after all and there is usually some lag time in recovering speed. What kind of player is Gilbert when he only has 80-90% of his speed and 75% of his "explosiveness"?

I still think we would have been better off moving Gilbert in a sign and trade for someone like Elton Brand, but that ship has clearly passed. Let's all hope Gilbert can make a full recovery from his knee injuries; if he doesn't, this team has already peaked.

Posted by: Ootek1 | September 17, 2008 1:06 PM | Report abuse

Is there any other sports town with as bad Owner/GM combinations as D.C.?

stupid decision , after stupid decision, after stupid decision

can we get 1 decent front office in this town, at least the caps look like they have their head on straight

Posted by: Glen from D.C. | September 17, 2008 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Grant. Hill.

Posted by: aa | September 17, 2008 1:09 PM | Report abuse

why does it take 18 months with the best doctors/best rehab people in the world to fix a knee injury that wasnt even "major" (e.g. torn ACL)?

Posted by: Mark | September 17, 2008 1:09 PM | Report abuse

He did this last year, then it went from 1 month, to 2 months, then 3, then 4, then the season, just to come back play a few minutes at the end. send him to dr. andrews like everyone else, not the local dr on call at dc general

Posted by: Dee | September 17, 2008 1:09 PM | Report abuse

It's more to it than just some damn debris. I am so damn pissed right freggin' now!!!

Posted by: ADS26 | September 17, 2008 1:16 PM | Report abuse

How could the Wizards management not had their medical staff perform a MRI prior to making Agent Zero a max contract offer? I'd like to think that EG must have been satisfied with what the medical staff had told him after the season about Arenas' knee or they wouldn't have made him a max contract offer. On the other hand, Arenas indicates that he knew all along that his knee wouldn't be ready by training camp or preseason so the "cleanup" procedure wasn't a big surprise. To go into the regular season minus your star player with little no PG depth besides Antonio Daniels makes no sense at all. Dee Brown doesn't look like the answer and the Wizards passed on PG's in the draft that might have provided some speed, quickness and depth. Looks like a case of Wizards' management not doing their due diligence and their crack medical staff not being able to diagnose the extent of an injury or properly help the player rehab.

Posted by: wizfan89 | September 17, 2008 1:16 PM | Report abuse

Here we go again,I just don't believe this sh%&#t!

Posted by: sgcon3 | September 17, 2008 1:16 PM | Report abuse

I must agree with my fellow Wiz faithfuls that I'm rather frustrated with this news. And it seems to me that we're not getting the full "scope" of what is going on...whether it be from Gil's injury or the organization's angle.

So I'm scratching my head trying to figure out what "good" can come out of this. What can I do to trump the ever-pervasive sense of pessimism/disappointment that hovers over this franchise?

Hmmmm...

Well, one thing for sure, it helps ME to realize that MY priorities in life are out of whack when I allow such news to stir animosity in my heart. Just being real man. Thankfully there is more to life then the Wizs...

Posted by: Oh My... | September 17, 2008 1:17 PM | Report abuse

I dont think he had the procedure earlier because he didnt even start training until Aug. 1st. He used most of the summer to rest his knee. I really think the medical staff must not be the greatest, as discussed all last season.

Posted by: washingtonian | September 17, 2008 1:18 PM | Report abuse

OK.

Why am I not surprised?

Gilby could have had this surgery performed earlier to get ready for the season, but instead, decided to travel the far east, do sponsor events, manage the building of his grotto, etc., etc., and all that lovely BS.

Now, the TEAM will be without his services for a good chunk of this year. By the time he comes back, who knows what kind of player he will be and how it will affect TEAM chemistry?

We went through the same song and dance last season and we will again this season, about whether Gilby's return would mean an immediate insertion into the starting lineup.

Doesn't matter I guess, he still was able to dupe management/ownership/fans and get paid anyway.

What a great guy who puts TEAM first.

BTW, I don't think Gilby's absence will hurt the team.

They did just as well without him last year, but still, giving this me-first player such a big contract was a huge mistake.

And again, EG is again caught flatfooted since he made no FA moves this season to bring in help.

Posted by: DC Man88 | September 17, 2008 1:18 PM | Report abuse

And please, don't say EG "brought in Dee Brown."

Whatever.

Posted by: DC Man88 | September 17, 2008 1:21 PM | Report abuse

You realize that this is good new for the Wiz right???

Arenas killed the Wiz in the playoffs this year. Those Bricks he threw was the biggest reason that my cavs beat them again!!!

An Arenas-less Wizard teams care me more than if he were playing.

Posted by: schoat | September 17, 2008 1:21 PM | Report abuse

This will be a distraction for the rest of the team.

We CAN win games without Gil, but we can win more if hes in there.

I just feel bad for Tawn and CB3 having to discuss this again with the media.

No Roger Mason either.

I dunno....I guess we'll be ok, but to lose him AGAIN, just sux!!!

Posted by: Burg w/ a U | September 17, 2008 1:24 PM | Report abuse

The wizards just have a history of being bumbling idiots. There was the shake down of Howard after drafting him when they should have just paid him 5th pick money. Which lead to the "ball fake" he gave us with the Miami move, the subsequent mega-contract followed by not close to mega-play.

There was the Rasheed to Detroit trade for that weed smoking alcoholic, Rod "big head" Strickland. And of course Chris Webber for over the hill Mitch Dichmond, oops I mean Richmond.

It just won't stop.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 17, 2008 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Obviously, Gilbert rested the knee as long as he could, but when it came time to start ramping up heading into camp, his knee was still bothering him.

At-best, Gilbert might eventually make it back to be a fraction of the player he once was.

Posted by: Wizzy | September 17, 2008 1:26 PM | Report abuse

So, is EG going to go with an undermanned team again until Gilby returns at less than full strength, or will he go over the lux tax and get someone, or make a trade?

I'm willing to bet that EG is either passed out in his office right now, or in the men's room vomiting, or maybe at home kicking the dog.

Posted by: DC Man88 | September 17, 2008 1:27 PM | Report abuse

It's the new trend in sports, superstars sitting out the preseason and exhibition games. Arenas just stuck it to the Wizards FO. But no big deal, they'll turn around and stick it to the fans. Glad I decided to get Hoyas season tickets instead of Wizards tickets this year.

Posted by: DirtyHarry | September 17, 2008 1:28 PM | Report abuse

"Obviously, Gilbert rested the knee as long as he could, but when it came time to start ramping up heading into camp, his knee was still bothering him.

At-best, Gilbert might eventually make it back to be a fraction of the player he once was.

Posted by: Wizzy | September 17, 2008 1:26 PM "

Depending on what you believe, the doctors told him at the end of last season that his knee was fully healed and there was no chance of damage from playing. Of course, that was almost 5 months ago.

Most ballers choose to rehab to get their knees stronger. Gilby chose to rest and travel the world and just chill.

No wonder the knee doesn't feel right when it's been in chill mode and suddenly you break out that parachute and then BAM (cue Emeril)!!

Posted by: DC Man88 | September 17, 2008 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Worst signing in the history of the NBA.

Posted by: CC Caps fan | September 17, 2008 1:31 PM | Report abuse

This is not good news. Everyone else got better and we got Gilbert. Love him to death but now he is out again. This sucks! It takes that long to recover from having debris cleaned out of the knee?? I was wondering why there had been no word of him working out last month. Damn,Damn,Damn! :-)

Posted by: Anonymous | September 17, 2008 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Can we please take this golden opportunity to shut up about Gilbert Arenas? That means you, Ivan, and that especially means you, Gilbert.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 17, 2008 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Relax people this is not a huge deal, we are only talking about the first mounth which is only a few games. the wizards need him late in the season and for the playoffs why push him to play in oct?
still its not the best news to hear when things are about to start back up.

Posted by: Josh | September 17, 2008 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Oh DC man shut up for crying out loud. No matter what is said you will go the opposite. When he worked out last year and tweaked the knee, you said he should chill and not be so hard on the knee. This year, he did what he was told and eased into playing and now you say he should have been rehabbing! You a real trip, you know that? And a first class hater, year after year,after year, after year. Just shut up with your constant whining and jealousies.

Posted by: Ultimate Wizzette | September 17, 2008 1:36 PM | Report abuse

I'll just say this. Does anybody else think that Gilbert Arenas is as fragile as Grant Hill or are we all just getting paronoid prematurely about this whole situation.

Posted by: J. Rob | September 17, 2008 1:38 PM | Report abuse

"Oh DC man shut up for crying out loud. No matter what is said you will go the opposite. When he worked out last year and tweaked the knee, you said he should chill and not be so hard on the knee. This year, he did what he was told and eased into playing and now you say he should have been rehabbing! You a real trip, you know that? And a first class hater, year after year,after year, after year. Just shut up with your constant whining and jealousies.

Posted by: Ultimate Wizzette | September 17, 2008 1:36 PM "

You're calling me a "hater," while your handle is "Ultimate Wizzette?"

Sure, you're not biased.

LMFAO!

Check yourself and your facts. I said Gilby should have been working out, not doing a tour of asia or chilling.

Also, I think Gilby would have recovered quicker from this stupid injury if he just went out and had a full knee replacement. LMAO!

Tired of hearing excuses.

The only sound out of VC now is the sound of 111 mil being flushed down the toilet.

Posted by: DC Man88 | September 17, 2008 1:40 PM | Report abuse

I don't think you can trust that this is only a minor procedure. None of the other knee surgeries were supposed to be major deals either. A knee that is fundamentally sound shouldn't require three surgeries in a 16 month period.

I initially thought he had known his knee still wasn't right when he signed the 100 million plus contract. Good for him, bad for the Wizards but also a major blunder by the Wizards not to get his knee checked out further. But I think both sides might not be to blamed here.

Gilbert said he thought he rehabbed too soon and too aggressively after the first surgery and that that was what caused the knee pain to return. He was going to avoid making that mistake again by resting more this offseason and not pick up a ball until August. I'm guessing after ramping up his activities he realized his knee still wasn't right and that that's why he's having the surgery so late, because he found out late in the offseason.

At the same time, the Wizards had his knee tested throughout the 2008 season because they wanted him to come back for the playoffs. They had been closely following his recovery all along. Their own doctors cleared him to come back and gave the proverbial "can't do further damage" line of reassurance. They must have thought that Gilbert's knee was sound and that an off season of rest would return him to full health. I can't blame them if that's what went on.

Either way, in the past 16 months, Arenas has needed two followup surgeries whenever he's played basketball for some stretch of time. Wow.

Posted by: Jason | September 17, 2008 1:46 PM | Report abuse

I don't think this team doctor is doing the players any good. Gil needs to find another medical clinic.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 17, 2008 1:48 PM | Report abuse

damn this man. been a bullets/wizards fan my whole life. Can't take no more mess. damn this

Posted by: mohouse78 | September 17, 2008 1:50 PM | Report abuse

i seriously think your all over reacting, lets be honest the wizards suck anyway, but i think when gill comes back , you ll be fine

Posted by: Rob the ... | September 17, 2008 1:52 PM | Report abuse

I say suck, maybe thats a bit harsh, but the managers did nothing over the off season, your stuck with the same players again! dont change what works, well this ant working!

Posted by: Rob the ... | September 17, 2008 1:53 PM | Report abuse

This is an easy one....final deposit invoices just went out to season ticket holders; that's why no advance notice of this.

Posted by: sunnyman | September 17, 2008 12:57 PM

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I totally agree with this. Polin knew and didn't say anything.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 17, 2008 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Abe Polin was himself involved in this signing. There is no fool like an old fool.

Posted by: Polin's guy | September 17, 2008 1:55 PM | Report abuse

After surgery, it's understood that there will be scar tissue and "floating particles." The sooner Gilby getes working on it, the better, but we know that didn't happen...

First he went against doctor/trainer's orders and did a stupid, my ballyhooed, PR workout regimine. Then, he took an ill advised "shut it down all summer" approach.

Gilby does not have all his marbles, but he does have his 180 mil that he got and will get from the Wiz.

Posted by: DC Man88 | September 17, 2008 1:56 PM | Report abuse

This Polin guy sounds like a bit of a snake!

Posted by: ur mum | September 17, 2008 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Wiz can't win significantly with or without him.

Contract was a waste of money that could have been productively used otherwise.

Arenas is WAY too full of himself.

Posted by: Wiz Bang | September 17, 2008 1:58 PM | Report abuse

I wouldn't trust that he's only going to be out a month. When he had his second meniscus surgery in late November, the approximate recovery time was three months, meaning late February, early March. He ended up returning in early April. After so many surgeries in addition to looking like a slower healer, I wouldn't be surprised if he comes back in January and who knows what's going to happen afterwards.

Posted by: Jason | September 17, 2008 1:59 PM | Report abuse

"Relax people this is not a huge deal, we are only talking about the first mounth which is only a few games. the wizards need him late in the season and for the playoffs why push him to play in oct?"


Playoff?!? Don't talk about Playoff?!!! The only good thing I see in this is that they'll be in the run for the lottery next year. With the improvement of the 76ers, bobcats, raptors. No way we can sneak in again in the playoffs this year.

Posted by: Jim Mora | September 17, 2008 2:00 PM | Report abuse

"I mean, c'mon, let's kick the ballistics here..... Now if the tenants cooperate, oh, it'll be lovely. They'll be loyal customers, if not, f*** it, it'll be like in Beirut, they'll be live-in hostages."

I think Gilbert "Nino Brown" Arenas has taken this team hostage.

Posted by: Wesley Snipes | September 17, 2008 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Gilbert is having this recurring problem with his knee because he did not follow the doctor's directions the first time after his 1st surgery.

Instead of getting his knee back in shape the conventional way, he chose to get it back in shape "his" way. That was a HUGE mistake. Playing on that hard blacktop (i.e. Barry Farms)could not have done his knee any good when it was not fully healed.

Now I was glad to see him playing down Barry Farms because I enjoyed what I saw, but that outside blacktop is nothing to play with when you have knee problems. I am pretty sure Gil felt the impact on his knee but he probably keep playing through it. Lets hope this is the last "scope" he has to have.

Posted by: Bullets Fever #1 | September 17, 2008 2:01 PM | Report abuse

I think the Wizards' best hope for this season is to hope Nick Young takes a big step forward.

Posted by: Jason | September 17, 2008 2:02 PM | Report abuse

and to think they signed this "THUG" for $111 million,how much is he going to give back for missing the first month or will the team dock his salary.if he needed to clean the knee out why didn't he do this at the completition of the playoffs.

Posted by: ron | September 17, 2008 2:03 PM | Report abuse

In the NBA with the guaranteed contracts AND a salary cap you really can't afford to sign a guy to a long-term deal if his health has been and continues to be a major concern.

Washington has decided to throw in its future over the next 5-7 years in a 26 year old player who even at the top of his game was not among the best all-around players in the game.

Ask any NBA champion from the past from Jordan to Bird to Magic Johnson and from what I have heard over the past couple of years all have questions about whether Arenas is capable of being the point man for a championship.

For the money invested, the Wizards should have been like Boston last year when the Celtics acquired Kevin Garnett, know that he indeed WAS the kind of player you could build a playoff winner around with the proper moves.

Posted by: Roy Hobbs | September 17, 2008 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Okay so what harm is done here exactly? The team can win and be competitive without Gilbert. They did it last year and were a slightly better team for it. Are we mad because he got paid? Probably. Did he tell his employers about the knee procedure before he did it? My guess is yes. If he didn't, could not they challenge is upholding his end of his contract? I would think so. So the Wiz GM is stupid. So what? No worse than the idiot in Ashburn. And the sheep still pay outrageous amounts to see the games. Just grin and bear it or go to a Ravens game for a change.

Posted by: Wesley Snipes | September 17, 2008 2:05 PM | Report abuse

raptors r the best JO

Posted by: speed | September 17, 2008 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Gil, why not get this taken care of? youre getting 17 million a year. that means one month of a six month season is 2.8 million dollars that the Wizards are throwing down the drain. AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Posted by: Emmet | September 17, 2008 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Why should he give back any money? Its not his fault the owner and front office are morons. Should he have turned down the $111 million?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 17, 2008 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Fire Doctor Nick! Wouldn't a YEAR AND A HALF be enough to get this surgery right?

Just kidding... maybe we should HIRE Doctor Nick...

Posted by: Ledell Dunker | September 17, 2008 2:09 PM | Report abuse

As ridiculous as this situation seems, and as unfair as it is to the fans in Washington it will all probably work out for the better. Remember Agent Zero has competitive fire in his heart. Every negative post that blames anything but his knee feeds his will to get back and own. For that reason I hope he reads em all.

p.s. As far as management goes I know he drafted Kwame but firing MJ is never a good idea.

Posted by: Marcus | September 17, 2008 2:09 PM | Report abuse

I'm so glad that everyone has a opinion. Let's try this. Why don't we wish Gilbert Arenas a speedy recovery and pray all is well for him and his family.

Posted by: Washingtonfan4life | September 17, 2008 2:09 PM | Report abuse

This franchise is done for the next 6 or so years. They have too much money tied up to this scrub and the big Softy Antawn Jamison. The owner won't pay the luxury tax so this team is pretty much all we have for the next 5-6 years. So pitiful. We are better off tanking the next 2 season in the hope of landing the first pick in the draft and selecting a superstar there. But with this teams luck, we'll end up with another Kwame Brown.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 17, 2008 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Since when does "injured knee" = "character flaw"?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 17, 2008 2:10 PM | Report abuse

I'm so glad that everyone has a opinion. Let's try this. Why don't we wish Gilbert Arenas a speedy recovery and pray all is well for him and his family.

Posted by: Washingtonfan4life | September 17, 2008 2:09 PM

I'm pretty sure all is well for his family. $111 freakin million dollars!!! Highway robbery

Posted by: Anonymous | September 17, 2008 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Another thing about Gilbert's knee troubles is how closely they seem to be paralleling Jermaine O'Neal's. Jermaine's problem also had to do with a meniscus tear and he hasn't been right since. It's hard to say what's going to happen.

Posted by: Jason | September 17, 2008 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Hi, Everybody!

Everybody: Hi, Dr. Nick!

Posted by: Dr. Nick (Springfield, VA) | September 17, 2008 2:12 PM | Report abuse

While this is a set back, we still have two other All-Stars (Caron Butler, and Antwan Jamison) a great group of Vets on the bench (Daniels, Songalia, Dee, Thomas), and a host young developing talent (Young, Blatche, McGuire, McGee), and an All-Star coach in Eddie Jordan.

Funny enough, last year there was a ridiculous speculation about whether the Wizards were better with or without Gilbert. This team as dealt with injuries to their top guys now for the past 3 years, and STILL out-do expectations. Eddie Jordan's system is working, the guys are buying into it, and the team plays better than the sum of it's parts.

Lastly, Gilbert's contract is worth every penny (and more since he turned down the extra to allow flexibility for E.G.). Gil is young and a top top talent in the NBA, much like the often overlooked Caron Butler. There was no way the Wizards could have gotten good market value Gilbert in a trade, and who out there would you have traded him for? No player out there better than Gilbert was leaving their team anyway...K.G., Kobe, CP3, LaBron...none were going to be heading to D.C.

Jamison and Caron still don't, even seemingly from their own fan base, get the DAP they merit. And there is nobody in the league, other than Kobe, that I'd rather have in the 4th with 10 seconds left, than Gilbert.

Posted by: paulie | September 17, 2008 2:12 PM | Report abuse

I just like how signs a lucrative contract then decides to have surgery and misses the first month of the season.

Posted by: Tom | September 17, 2008 2:12 PM | Report abuse

I'm so glad that everyone has a opinion. Let's try this. Why don't we wish Gilbert Arenas a speedy recovery and pray all is well for him and his family.


Posted by: Washingtonfan4life | September 17, 2008 2:09 PM

Amen......

Posted by: Bullets Fever #1 | September 17, 2008 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Washingtonfan4life, we don't like your kind of posts. Take your idiot opinions to "reasonablewizardsfans.com." We prefer to set our hair on fire up in here.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 17, 2008 2:13 PM | Report abuse

You'd think before you made a $111M investment that you'd have an expert like Dr. Yocum in LA or Dr. Andrews in GA check out Arenas' knee instead of relying on the bumbling medical staff who said he "could do no more damage" by playing at the end of last year. I don't think GA can be blamed as it was the team doctors who cleared him to play when he was clearly less than 100%. Hindsight is always 20/20, but the Wiz should have had him sit out all of last year to ensure he was healthy for this year. Phoenix shut down Amare Stoudemire after 3 games back for an entire season when they realized his knee wasn't right after surgery. He continued his rehab and came back 100% the following season and is back at All-Star level.

It's ironic the Wiz sent out their presale notice for individual tickets the day before Agent Zero had his "cleanup" procedure. I'm sure EG has known the surgery was going to be needed for awhile and this wasn't a spur of the moment decision.

PLEASE MR. POLLIN - SELL YOUR INTEREST IN THE TEAM TO TED LEONSIS AND LET HIM HIRE PEOPLE WHO KNOW HOW TO RUN AN ORGANIZATION.

Posted by: wizfan89 | September 17, 2008 2:13 PM | Report abuse

I want my money back!!!!!!

Posted by: Mad Fan | September 17, 2008 2:14 PM | Report abuse

/sigh this is bs man....wtf

Posted by: Anonymous | September 17, 2008 2:16 PM | Report abuse

BTW, we also need to thank EG for not re-signing Roger Mason who gave us depth at both SG and as a backup PG last year. Now we can look forward to a backcourt of Dee Brown and Nick Young when AD and DSS take a breather. The money GA supposedly saved for the Wiz should have been used to resign Mason and ensure that he was part of the rotation....San Antonio will be very happy to have him coming off the bench or possibly starting while Ginobli rehabs from his ankle surgery.

Posted by: wizfan89 | September 17, 2008 2:17 PM | Report abuse

all yall need to calm down id rather him 100percent healthy later in da season then him doin dis later in da season

Posted by: wizallday | September 17, 2008 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Phoenix didn't shut down Stoudemire for a full season after he played the first three games of the season. What happened was that he missed nearly all of the 2006 season and came back for three games with 15 games remaining before being shut down because swelling returned in the surgically repaired as well arose in the other one. He tried to come back five months after microfracture which is entirely inappropriate in the first place.

Posted by: Jason | September 17, 2008 2:24 PM | Report abuse

why all the hub-ub about the money he's making? he didn't even take the amount on the table offered too him, and now folks are pissed at him for the money. fickle, people, fickle.

besides, it's a 6 year deal, and this is (according to ESPN, Wizards office is saying January) just 3 months. Nobody that signs a 6 year deal is going to play every game (unless you're K.G., but that guys a mutant of athleticism)

and McGee will be viewed as a steal in the next few years...just my opinion.

Posted by: paulie | September 17, 2008 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Dayum!!! your right, this must be some sort of curse... I tell u this area can't buy a break. First Clinton Portis is about to get that azz tapped yesterday by B-Mitch and now Agent-Zero!!! what next??? Oh yeah... Chief Zee will do the Hee Haw at the Obama Convention...

Posted by: SCOOP | September 17, 2008 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Gilbert man wuts rong with you.. i havent seen u pay in soo long... and now this again... cmon dog man up and get in the game

Posted by: Sal | September 17, 2008 2:34 PM | Report abuse

I bet this does not keep him out of clubs this weekend

Posted by: Mad Fan | September 17, 2008 2:35 PM | Report abuse

I hate like hell to admit this,but DC Man88 you're right on it, the knee still isn't right what the F..K 111 mill and you didn't take care of this so you would be ready for the season opener i don't wana hear no BS, this should have been done on your time not on Wiz time.Gilbert for the most part is the face of the franchise, now this crap comes up this is total and complete bull, the fans should be pissed i know i am!!!!!!!!!!!.

Posted by: dargregmag@aol.com | September 17, 2008 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Damn.

Posted by: Mario | September 17, 2008 2:44 PM | Report abuse

my problem is that gilbert waited to get his money before he decided to get this surgery.if he did this 2-3 months ago he wuld be ready for action right now and wouldnt have to worry about rushing back in to playing. but he knew that would probably hurt his contract, so instead, he is hurting the team now!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 17, 2008 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Calm down! The Wiz will be fine! If Caron or Antwan Jamison goes down, as well, THEN start to get nervous! But we'll be fine without Agent Zero for a month!

Posted by: MandM | September 17, 2008 2:46 PM | Report abuse

"all yall need to calm down id rather him 100percent healthy later in da season then him doin dis later in da season

Posted by: wizallday | September 17, 2008 2:22 PM "

What makes you think he'll ever be 100% again?

Posted by: DC Man88 | September 17, 2008 2:47 PM | Report abuse

"I'm so glad that everyone has a opinion. Let's try this. Why don't we wish Gilbert Arenas a speedy recovery and pray all is well for him and his family.


Posted by: Washingtonfan4life | September 17, 2008 2:09 PM "

How does that translate to playoff wins?

BTW, Gilby is not on his death bed held up by life support. He's got a knee injury.

Fans here have been wishing that he get his me-first behind back on the court since 18 months ago.

Posted by: DC Man88 | September 17, 2008 2:50 PM | Report abuse

"Check yourself and your facts. I said Gilby should have been working out, not doing a tour of asia or chilling."

He got paid a ton and built a pool, what the heck does he care happens now?

This is why many of us are upset with this news. He should be smart enough to think to himself "Maybe I shouldn't do that?" but he's clearly not.

Gil is all about himself, NOT team. I kept saying over the summer if he was about "team" he would have taken less money so the Wiz would not have lost Mason and added a body or two. That didn't happen now did it and the Wiz are stuck for next several years withthat contract that NOBODY would have given him.

Must be nice to be Gil right now. Can sit on his butt by his pool and get paid millions. Crazy.

- Ray

Posted by: Ray | September 17, 2008 2:50 PM | Report abuse

What a surprise! The Curse of Les Boulez strikes again.

Can anyone say that they didn't see this coming once the self-styled Agent Zero signed the big bucks contract? If Arenas would put a fraction of the energy he spends running his mouth into getting himself healthy and ready to play, he might deserve some sympathy, but this is an all-too-familiar pattern.

Letting Arenas get away with not spending the summer getting ready to play is as much a management failure as anything else. Abe Pollin has given us nothing but 30 years of cronyism and mediocrity. He shows no signs of knowing how to build a consistent or successful team in today's NBA. It's time for him to go and let someone who is committed to winning a chance to run this franchise. Where's Ted when we really need him?

Posted by: 30 Years of Mediocrity | September 17, 2008 2:51 PM | Report abuse

If this year is gonna be like last and he ain't gonna play, can you stop running that numbnut 'Agent Zero' commercial where he paints the town in blue O's?

Posted by: KGrevey | September 17, 2008 2:52 PM | Report abuse

"While this is a set back, we still have two other All-Stars (Caron Butler, and Antwan Jamison) a great group of Vets on the bench (Daniels, Songalia, Dee, Thomas), and a host young developing talent (Young, Blatche, McGuire, McGee), and an All-Star coach in Eddie Jordan.

Funny enough, last year there was a ridiculous speculation about whether the Wizards were better with or without Gilbert. This team as dealt with injuries to their top guys now for the past 3 years, and STILL out-do expectations. Eddie Jordan's system is working, the guys are buying into it, and the team plays better than the sum of it's parts.

Lastly, Gilbert's contract is worth every penny (and more since he turned down the extra to allow flexibility for E.G.). Gil is young and a top top talent in the NBA, much like the often overlooked Caron Butler. There was no way the Wizards could have gotten good market value Gilbert in a trade, and who out there would you have traded him for? No player out there better than Gilbert was leaving their team anyway...K.G., Kobe, CP3, LaBron...none were going to be heading to D.C.

Jamison and Caron still don't, even seemingly from their own fan base, get the DAP they merit. And there is nobody in the league, other than Kobe, that I'd rather have in the 4th with 10 seconds left, than Gilbert.

Posted by: paulie | September 17, 2008 2:12 PM "

Thanks for the posting LaSooz, but we don't buy your BS.

Posted by: DC Man88 | September 17, 2008 2:52 PM | Report abuse

people are not pissed at Gilbert for taking the money

they are mad because many believe it should not of been offered to him in the 1st place

that keeps a team that can't get out of the 1st round around for a long time

Posted by: Anonymous | September 17, 2008 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Gilbert, come on........

Posted by: Sven, Osnabrück, Germany | September 17, 2008 2:55 PM | Report abuse

"And there is nobody in the league, other than Kobe, that I'd rather have in the 4th with 10 seconds left, than Gilbert."

You must really like teams that get bounced in the first round every year then. Gil is NOT worth that kind of money and stop trying to suck up to him so he will invite you to sit on your a$$ by his pool with him. :P

- Ray

Posted by: Ray | September 17, 2008 2:55 PM | Report abuse

yeah the wizards are good the media, a group of guys who are fun to be around


but won't win anything

Posted by: Lebron James >>>> Wizards | September 17, 2008 2:58 PM | Report abuse

$111 mil, wow! What do we get? A guy who waits until the last minute to get a procedure that he has to have known he needed well in advance. In otherwords, the fans of The Wiz get, as usual, a sub par performance.

Posted by: Steve | September 17, 2008 3:00 PM | Report abuse

look the man is fine he had a lil debris. i know gill really well off the court. he wants to come back right. he could have played in the current state effectively but he felt he was not 100%... all you turn coat fans should be ashamed the man is a relentliss rehab/trainer more than yall no. hell be fine.... lol fans are funny. o yeah his vacation overseas is mandatory by the people that sponsor him he rescently started vacationing so yeah unless yall know the sit dont codem than man.... lol fans kill me

Posted by: Voice of reason | September 17, 2008 3:02 PM | Report abuse

gilberto -"No Mas"
At least Juwan showed up and balled even though his 85 million Wizard payoff was a joke - Nice work GM

Posted by: triple double | September 17, 2008 3:03 PM | Report abuse

gilbert does not deserve $111 million!they should have re-signed him for the minimum!!!!

Posted by: phillip | September 17, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Arenas could be 100%

the wizards would at best be the 4th best team in the conference its really not that big a deal guys

its only 1 month, Agent Zero will back in time for the annual 1st round loss

Posted by: Calm down guys | September 17, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

I'm shocked at how people are such "haters". As if Gilbert did this on Purpose! Poor guy!!! If you know Gil all he wants to do is go out there and play basketball and prove to everybody that he's worth his NEW contract. I never imagined reading so many negative comments and it's SAD! I hope his knee will one day be 100% and their isn't permanent damage that we (the public) don't know about. I hope you get healthy Gil!!! We love you man dont listen to these negative people! Keep your head up!

Posted by: Giorgos | September 17, 2008 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Can someone ask BMitch to give Gilby a phone call? These other reporters are only good at sucking grotto b#tt.

Posted by: DC Man88 | September 17, 2008 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Don't look at me, its not my fault this year.

Posted by: Much Ballyhooed Parachute | September 17, 2008 3:09 PM | Report abuse

we probably wouldn't be so negative if the wizards were better

Posted by: Max | September 17, 2008 3:11 PM | Report abuse

BMitch isn't a reporter, he's a bitter ex-employee.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 17, 2008 3:12 PM | Report abuse

To all that was missed informed about that 2006 season. if you look at the east that year it was a down year. before the allstar break all ofthe team's were strugling.that's the only reason they were in first place. and i also said earlier don't sign gil for all that money because if that knee did not hold up we would be handicap to bring in some help.

Posted by: D.C. | September 17, 2008 3:13 PM | Report abuse

WOW...and they just gave him that much money?..they have got to be kidding me...SURE he says he'll be back in December...remember last year...he later say maybe in March..and then he wont make it back at all..

Posted by: Fulvio | September 17, 2008 3:13 PM | Report abuse

What an investment?? 111 millions to see a millionaire cheerleader...

Posted by: bori2 | September 17, 2008 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Arenas learned this in the DC Summer jobs program

Posted by: tunaman | September 17, 2008 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Seriously, how can anyone expect Gilby to focus on rehab when he's busy managing the build of his pool and grotto.

Reports have the stone used to build his pool alone costing 1/2 mil.

The 3 fish tanks cost another 1/2 mil.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/Gilbert-Arenas-million-dollar-pool-and-mountai?urn=nba,96965

Posted by: DC Man88 | September 17, 2008 3:15 PM | Report abuse

arenas will be a benefit to any team IF and ONLY he is healthy and stable in a physical AND mental state.. if that guy ever wants to win a championship.. he's not a michael jordan and not even a scottie pippen to back up the michael jordan at this point..

i think he'll be good if he's willing to take the steve kerr role.. but what am i talking about, he'll never drop his ego.. haha

Posted by: jon | September 17, 2008 3:17 PM | Report abuse

eh eh eh...lets go easy on agent0 here. cut the man some slack, atleast he's keepin it proactive with his blog he's got goin. but any ways..this injury kills not only him but his team, yet AGAIN. so, as far as i'm concerned, with the improvement of pretty much most the teams in the east, and da wiz stayin neutral from last year if not lower with their draft of a 7ft 100 pound 20 year old, i dun see dem makin da playoffs with or WITHOUT agent0.

Posted by: adee | September 17, 2008 3:18 PM | Report abuse

I hope after this news was dispersed that an APB was put out to all cops to watch out for a lunatic looking to drive his Ferrari Enzo (or 599) off the GW Parkway.

Posted by: DC Man88 | September 17, 2008 3:19 PM | Report abuse

You know what When i first heard this story I was like mannn wow figures but listen If you think about it Abe pollin is to old he dont know whats going on like he just sees gil as of how he use to be so pretty much ernie is running the team.. If it was any other owner then then would be close to firing ernie right about now No off season moves no trying to get rid of the junk like Etan thomas we are paying all these guys high money to sit out all season I think its time for a new owner new Gm and face of the Wizards.. No more Big Three Its caron Bulters Team now Give it to him yeah sure antwan is the vet and i love it but Give it to a Young Star So We build around Caron and nick young.....

Thanks Gil You knew What was going on You washed up Bum

Posted by: Jjones | September 17, 2008 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Gee, we never saw this coming? Anyone that has ever played ball knows that after three operations like he has had, you lose the quickness and lift. He's done being an above the rim explosive player.....Yes, when healthy he would blow by people and go over them. He never played D, just run and score...fun to watch, sure!

Friends, that won't happen anymore at 26 with THREE surgeries on ONE knee. At best he will be an average player after this, not worth 111 million, thats for sure.

I think the Wizards need a new team doctor.

Posted by: nowhine | September 17, 2008 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Gilbert's not selfish don't forget guys he could of gotten 127 million but only took 111

he saved us 16 million over 6 years to sign guys like Dee Brown to get us over the hump...

Posted by: FireErnie | September 17, 2008 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, let's all pray for Gilbert and his family. Right....

signed

The Broke Guy playing the sax outside the Verizon Center.

Posted by: Get A Grip | September 17, 2008 3:24 PM | Report abuse

This piece came from the Washington Times:

Arenas said Wednesday that he was told the debris "maybe would wash away by itself" with time and rest, so he didn't run or do any basketball-related activity until August. But when he tried to resume a full workload, the pain returned.

Arenas said he doesn't view the scoping of his knee as a setback.

"At the end of the day," he said, "I wasn't planning on playing until January anyway. Everybody has known I was gonna miss training camp."

Arenas said he hadn't informed Wizards president Ernie Grunfeld or coach Eddie Jordan of Wednesday morning's surgery, but didn't believe it was an issue.

"This was my decision," Arenas said. "I probably could've gotten by without it, until June, but if I went to do something spectacular, it probably would have buckled under on me.

"Two nights ago I talked with the trainer, and they were telling me if I just got it cleaned out I'd probably be back in two or three months, or maybe even faster because I can rehab without the pain. So, then I was like, let's get it cleaned out."

The team issued a statement Wednesday afternoon saying that team physician Marc Connell had performed "an arthoscopic lavage" at Sibley Memorial Hospital in the District.

"After Arenas' normal course of rehabilitation was ramped up, he experienced some swelling and discomfort in his knee, Connell stated in the press release.

"A subsequent MRI showed that the knee is structurally sound. The decision was made to perform an arthroscopic lavage procedure, during which a moderate amount of debris was removed after saline solution was washed through the knee. The presence of debris is common with the nature of his previous injury. This was a proactive procedure that will enhance his rehabilitation process," it continued.

In the statement, Grunfeld said: "Gilbert had worked extremely hard over the summer and we know how much hes looking forward to returning to help the team. However, our team proven its resiliency in dealing with injuries in the past and were approaching the start of training camp with confidence that they will once again compete at a high level until Gilbert's return."

The Wizards last season finished fifth in the Eastern Conference with a 43-39 record. Arenas averaged 19.4 points and 5.1 assists in his 13 games.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 17, 2008 3:25 PM | Report abuse

"get a grip and have some compassion for the guy...its not like he has control over his knee and as hard as he works..im sure he does lots of rehab...i feel bad for the guy"

Except that he signed for $111m and actually made everyone think he was the patron saint of DC for not taking the full offer. Well as it turns out $111m to wear a suit on the bench is slightly over-generous.

Don't give me this, he didn't know nonsense. I had to have a cartilage cleanup procedure 7 months after reconstructive surgery on my left ACL (admittedly not my MCL so maybe I don't know what I'm talking about). I couldn't even jog without knowing that something wasn't right.

Posted by: Ross | September 17, 2008 3:26 PM | Report abuse

What a damn immature sob. Mr Pollin, I like you and I wish you had not given this kid that kind of money because that is the reason these guys don't take care of themselves - they're busy taking care of their money.

Posted by: enuffalready | September 17, 2008 3:28 PM | Report abuse

This fool said he didn't disguss this with Ernie nor Eddie... It's all about him again... They should have let him go back in June... He was probably mad with the schedule they have this season.. Playing on Christmas Day..

Posted by: Anonymous | September 17, 2008 3:29 PM | Report abuse

Some of the below statements just plain don't make sense:

""At the end of the day," he said, "I wasn't planning on playing until January anyway. Everybody has known I was gonna miss training camp.""

Huh? I thought you told us you wanted to be back by August?!?!?!?!

"Arenas said he hadn't informed Wizards president Ernie Grunfeld or coach Eddie Jordan of Wednesday morning's surgery, but didn't believe it was an issue."

HUH????

"This was my decision," Arenas said. "I probably could've gotten by without it, until June, but if I went to do something spectacular, it probably would have buckled under on me."

HUH??? Not if someone pays you 111 mil to score buckets!

"The team issued a statement Wednesday afternoon saying that team physician Marc Connell had performed "an arthoscopic lavage" at Sibley Memorial Hospital in the District.

"After Arenas' normal course of rehabilitation was ramped up, he experienced some swelling and discomfort in his knee, Connell stated in the press release.

"A subsequent MRI showed that the knee is structurally sound. The decision was made to perform an arthroscopic lavage procedure, during which a moderate amount of debris was removed after saline solution was washed through the knee. The presence of debris is common with the nature of his previous injury. This was a proactive procedure that will enhance his rehabilitation process," it continued.

In the statement, Grunfeld said: "Gilbert had worked extremely hard over the summer and we know how much hes looking forward to returning to help the team. However, our team proven its resiliency in dealing with injuries in the past and were approaching the start of training camp with confidence that they will once again compete at a high level until Gilbert's return." "

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Posted by: DC Man88 | September 17, 2008 3:33 PM | Report abuse

If people go by Pollin's statement that Gilby is the face of the franchise and representative of Pollin to the world, then these actions pretty much d@mn the organization to hell..

No credibility whatsover.

Posted by: DC Man88 | September 17, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse

How did this guy manage to get a new contract? INCREDIBLE!

Posted by: comeonman | September 17, 2008 3:43 PM | Report abuse

This is really devistating for the wizards.
How can the Wiz possily bare another season w/o him?
I was very impressed by a couple of wins you guys had against us last season w/o Gilbert and I personally thought w/that, the Wiz shouldve saw that they couldve moved on w/o him in their future plans. To me, the kicker was the team not adjusting fast enuff to beat the Cavs.
Then in the off-season, he gets 111 million (or something)?

Posted by: ImaBostonFan | September 17, 2008 3:45 PM | Report abuse

So did Gilbert not run or do anything basketball related until August or did he work hard this summer as Grunfeld says? This "organization" is a mess.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 17, 2008 3:46 PM | Report abuse

AY I LOVE MY WIZARDS REGARDLESS, ALL IM SEEING IS A BUNCH OF CRYBABY SPECTATERS!!! LETS BE POSITIVE ABOUT OUR FUTURE, HOPEFULLY WE WILL HAVE THE RESILIANCE TO HOLD ON UNTIL WE GET OUR BOY "0" BACK IN THE LINE UP!!! LETS SUPPORT HIM INSTEAD OF BASH HIM ON EVERY LITTLE F#@* UP THATS MADE!!!C'MON DC, LETS GET IT TOGETHER!!!!!

Posted by: BIG MILO | September 17, 2008 3:48 PM | Report abuse

YES LETS GET TOGETHER AND CELEBRATE 1ST ROUND LOSS WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!

Posted by: BIGGER MILO | September 17, 2008 3:50 PM | Report abuse

The Wiz need to start thinking about some trades. Two possibilities:

1. Thomas, Songalia, Young and a draft pick (like the protected 1st round pick from Memphis) to Chicago for Hinrich and Gray. Hinrich is a very good PG who, even after Arenas returns, would be a nice back court complement to Gilbert. Gray is a decent back-up C who, unlike Etan, isn't likely to fight with Haywood or threaten Haywood's frail ego. My understanding from other chat boards is that Chicago is looking to unload Hinrich now that it has committed to Rose at PG (1st overall pick) for the right price. Interior defense with Etan and NY as a scorer at SG to replace Gordon may be tempting to Chicago.

2. When Arenas returns, trade Daniels to Maimi (which is desparately searching for a solid PG) for Haslem (who should help improve our interior defense).

Both trades work from a salary perspective and, indeed, provide a little additional wiggle room under the cap for the Wiz to pick up a NBA minimum wage free agent.

Posted by: DanPeter | September 17, 2008 3:51 PM | Report abuse

"comeonman" U REAL GOOD AT COPY AND PASTE HUH??? - GET REAL MOE'!!

Posted by: BIG MILO | September 17, 2008 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Juan Dixon = available free agent

Posted by: HomerTerp | September 17, 2008 4:05 PM | Report abuse

People, chill...after all arenas is the most hardworking player in the nba, and i seems like he loves the game...all that crap about him will nothing but motivate him, just like before...you can say what you want, but arenas brought the wizards to his level they are right now...even his teammates are saying that...I hope arenas will just like before, prove everyone WRONG and show some skills... and all of you dont now much about what is happening so i think that it is unfair to make such accusations. We will see what will happen until then, if u are a real Wiz/Gil fan you will hope for the best.....i just hope that arenas will stay hardworking, because there is nothing that some hard work cant solve, and i now what im speaking of because i have too an injured knee and had because of that to stop training for a hole year...but im better now...if i can do it Gil can do it a lot better, i hope so!

Posted by: Ermin | September 17, 2008 4:05 PM | Report abuse

geez, the WP won't let me post my one-word comment on this news...

Posted by: jj | September 17, 2008 4:07 PM | Report abuse

lol, YOU A CLOWN!
DUDES LIKE YOU NEED TO STEP OUT THE CITY AND REP ANOTHER SQUAD, OBVIOUSLY YOU JUST A WET BREAD A$$ DUDE. SOFT WITH A CAPITOL T!

Posted by: BIG MILO | September 17, 2008 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Give the guy a chance, after this, we'll see....

Posted by: Kat C. | September 17, 2008 4:11 PM | Report abuse

During the negotiations the commenters to this blog discussed how you could give this kind of money to a guy with a chronically bad knee.

Posted by: hz9604 | September 17, 2008 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Yes, it sounds like Gilbert did as he was told...rest the knee most of the summer and start rehabbing in August. After the rehab started he saw that he was still having problems. I can imagine his frustration because it's obvious he wants to play, and to be his old explosive self. I sincerley hope the doctors get it right this time. Also, he never said he would be ready the beginning of the year. I really felt he would wait until he was 100percent. I dont think he should have been persuaded to come back last year for the end of the season, or deemed completely healed. Gil we still love you. Get well soon!

Posted by: washingtonian | September 17, 2008 4:16 PM | Report abuse

funny how people raising issue with Gilbert's off season work out plans, and some how relate his home remolding to his lack of effort.

last i recalled, Gilbert is a gym-rat, who messed up his first surgery by coming back too early. so now, he listens to medical advice, takes it easy, and fans bust him on being lazy. WTF?

as for the front office not making any "moves", they DID make moves! They signed Gilbert and Antwan. What moves would have been better? Getting B-Diddy, Jermaine O'Neal, or Elton Brand? Josh Smith? all are older than Gilbert (except Smith) and all don't have the celling that Gilbert does.

And as for the Money he got, didn't we offer Gilbert like 85 million for 6 years before Golden State offered 100, forcing the Wizards to up the offer? And then there were the Clippers that were actively trying to bring Gilbert back home to L.A.

I have yet to here how the Wizards could have done better? Don't sign Gilbert? than sign who? Blow up a playoff team because of Gilbert? that's more crazy than Gilbert can be.

Posted by: paulie | September 17, 2008 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Oh man, i've never seen so much bitterness and hate...you people are some idiots.. if u are to talk about money, than why dont you say that every player or athlete in every sport is overpayed, what is the actually truth. i dont get u people, he should have known...yea right. is ti maybe possible that the problems occured recently and Gil wanted to solve them right now??(maybe im wrong) but it doesnt matter, show some support. Yeah when Gil plays good than hes the hero, hes the man, and all of sudden everyone loves him. as soon there some problems, hes an a## or something like that. YOU ARE NOT FANS, YOU ARE SOME BITTER CRITICS WHO TURN AS THE WIND BLOWS. u dont have any attitude. IM SURE AS HELL I WOULDNT WANT TO HAVE YOU FOR MY FANS....come on Gil you can make it!

Posted by: ermin- questionplayer | September 17, 2008 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Please take this off from the WAPO home page and put it on the 'no one gives a s' page. Thanks.

Posted by: Bill Monroe | September 17, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

I think Gilby should just sit out this season. Why not? Who cares since he's not going to help anyway?

They didn't need him last season, and don't need him this season.

Abe was better off paying someone $111 mil to find the holy grail since he might need that long just to fulfill his desire to see DC win another one before he sells.

Posted by: DC Man88 | September 17, 2008 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Kirk Hinrich? seriously...there's a very good reason the Bulls are trying to unload him. After 3 season where the Bulls were supposed to be in the playoffs, it's been Hinrich that has killed them. Dude was straight awful last year. Boo Kirk Hinrich.

and no, too early to consider trading Nick Young.

Posted by: paulie | September 17, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse

"Abe was better off paying someone $111 mil to find the holy grail since he might need that long just to fulfill his desire to see DC win another one before he sells."

dc fag88 ftw lol

Posted by: prescrunk | September 17, 2008 4:34 PM | Report abuse

without arenas, the wizards again will fall behind early and have to catch up to get a high seed

Posted by: ruski | September 17, 2008 4:36 PM | Report abuse

It is time to stop this madness, these guys are overpaid and do not deserve the money they are getting. Stop supporting crappy sports businesses.

Posted by: sickofit | September 17, 2008 4:40 PM | Report abuse

predictions:

1. young will NOT be traded. he's the best scorer we got. silly to imagine giving him up for heinrich and change.

2. gil will come back, but won't be "agent zero" until 2010. he'll be a shell of himself this season. you think it's bad now? wait until he's shuffling out there like daunte culpepper. it's going to get ugh-leeeee. he'll be back for a month, maybe 2, and then shut it down for the rest of the year. it's sad too, 'cause i love gil and his game.

3. we try to resign juan carlos navarro. (i wish).

4. wiz miss the playoffs, in spite of butler and jamison having all-star type season.

Posted by: my 2 cents | September 17, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

What makes you think he'll ever be 100% again?

Posted by: DC Man88 | September 17, 2008 2:47 PM

i dont know that right know but i do know he hasnt played basically no time n da post season n we all know how the last 2yrs n da playoffs ended up

Posted by: wizallday | September 17, 2008 4:48 PM | Report abuse

PAULIE - my thoughts exactly. i'd say bring back juan dixon, but he's a tweener... can't really handle the rock, too small for SG...

Posted by: my 2 cents | September 17, 2008 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Man, Its like Deja Vu all over again. I was looking forward to Gilbert hitting that game-winning shot. But, would u approve of the wizards(If it happens)do a sign and trade with Chicago and get Ben Gordon for the draft pick we got from Memphis and Draft rights to Vladimir Veeremenko

Posted by: kp23 | September 17, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Overpaid athletes? That's the biggest bunch of s*** ever.

seriously, if not the athletes, than who should get the money? the impoverished owners? those poor, poor owners. nobody ever sticks up for them....

athletes get big money because their sport gets big money. the WNBA players don't make money cause the WNBA doesn't make money. get it.

and yes it's the same with Movie stars too. The bigger the business, the bigger the money. Don't like it, stop being a fan.

Posted by: paulie | September 17, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse

What a selfish player. Did he really say that he didn't expect to be back until January? Uh what the hell?

Posted by: Wow | September 17, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse

One more reason to sell my wiz tickets for cap tickets.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 17, 2008 4:59 PM | Report abuse

Wow! I just heard the news... man very disapointing. This is the first I ever heard Arenas "wasn't planning" on playing until January anyway. Did he ever tell anyone that?? I thought Arenas was supposed to be the marketing focus of our preseason tour in Europe?!

The debris in his knee is due to the microfracture surgery. The microfracture process causes tiny particles to become loose in the knee, which is why athletes have so much difficulty ever returning from the procedure. It causes constant swelling and discomfort in the knee that never completely subsides. In the microfracture process tiny fractures are intentionally created, then the fractures heal to supposedly make the bone stronger. But the negative side effect is the debris caused in the knee that never completely goes away, which is why I never understand why any athlete agrees to this procedure (Penny Hardaway). Think of hitting a rock with a spike and hammer to create many "fractures"... you could put the pieces together and glue them back fine (or in the human bone the bone heals back together fine), ok but when you fractured the rock and the rock broke you would see tiny particles of dust or "debris" that was created. Try it at home, you'll see! It's just microscopic particles that come loose when the pieces break apart.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 17, 2008 5:02 PM | Report abuse

That last post was DARNELL. I accidentally hit enter before putting my name.

Also I wanted to point out that we are entering the season with the same team we had last season with no Gil, except instead of Roger Mason we have Dee Brown. Hopefully Dee can do the job so AD can get a break!

Posted by: Darnell | September 17, 2008 5:07 PM | Report abuse

"said Arenas, who seemed to be in good spirits"

I bet i know 111 million reasons why he is in good spirits.. this is almost comical at this point

Posted by: wtf... | September 17, 2008 5:12 PM | Report abuse

Darnell--yes it's kinda the same team...except that Nick Young, Dominic McGuire and Andre Blatche all had one more year of experience. And Etan Thomas is back too. The Wizards have a nice balance of All-stars, vets, role players, and youth. EG has done a great job of working many different angles to create a balanced squad.

--i don't know who keeps mentioning that McGee is 7 foot 100 pounds, but that dude is actually like 230 pounds, and I think that makes him the thickest on the squad (Brendan Haywood??). I giggle thinking about Blatche and McGee playing the 4 and 5 blocking shoots at 2.2 per game. fun fun fun.

Posted by: paulie | September 17, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse

Bwahahahaha! Gil will NEVER play again at the level that you would expect at $111M. I said they should have traded him 3 years ago. I said they should not have resigned him. Now he's going to be the anchor around EG and Pollins neck for the next 6 years. Our next opportunity for a run at the championship begins in 2020!

Posted by: ArlingtonHokie | September 17, 2008 5:18 PM | Report abuse

The Bad News: 1) Barring a miracle - Gil will be no more than a distraction again, EJ will overplay him when he comes back and he will reinjure. 2) Jamision is in a post mega--last-contract year and may not care much.

What pray thee is cause for hope this year? 1) Blatche may have that breakout year; 2) Young may have a breakout year; 3) Most unlikely, Petrecov may have breakout year.

Most likely 38-41 wins, possible 8 seed; lose in first round again.

It's still fun to go to the playoffs.

Perhaps we should have obtained Brand when we had the chance.

Posted by: Gunner Mac | September 17, 2008 5:18 PM | Report abuse

WTF couldn't EG realise his franchise is in Butler and Jamison. Signing Gil for that much cash crushed all their cap room they built. Way to drop the ball. They play way better without his ball hogging selfish ways anyhow. Caron was one of the few guys last year with a 20-5-5 stat line. And jamison was rockin double doubles all season. Build around those two and not some greedy broken ass.

p.s. I love how gil said he accept lower then the original 116$ so that the team wasn't strapped for cap room the next few years. What a dick.

Posted by: DrewFord | September 17, 2008 5:19 PM | Report abuse

wtf--obviously Gilbert intended to rip off the Wizards and piss off the fans. In fact, I'm sure once he signed the contract he fell on the floor of the office and started crying about his knee.

you are so right. he totally signed the contract with the intention of sucking just so you can point out that it was not talent, hard work, being an all-star, or his competitive spirit that got him the money, but rather Greed and arrogance.

thanks. truly enlightening.

Posted by: paulie | September 17, 2008 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Paulie. Dont get me wrong, I think Gil is talented, but the man should never have been signed for 111. The guy hasn't produced any kind of results. It's not just him leading that team to the playoffs. he's just the one getting the credit. There is no way the PG on a team with Jamison and Butler should only average 6 assists, and yet score 29ppg. dish the rock.

Posted by: Andrew | September 17, 2008 5:28 PM | Report abuse

"I'm so glad that everyone has a opinion. Let's try this. Why don't we wish Gilbert Arenas a speedy recovery and pray all is well for him and his family."

What can I pray for that Gil make go well for his family with $ 127 Mill that he can't do with $111 million?

Better yet, what can I do for my family with $ 1,271.00 that now the wizards can't?

I'm done with getting robbed by DC "spurts" barons.

Posted by: Desert Island Boy | September 17, 2008 5:34 PM | Report abuse

This is all Sarah Palin's fault.

Posted by: Lounatick8 | September 17, 2008 5:50 PM | Report abuse

It's not the end of the effing world. He's going to miss a month. They didn't actually cut anything, just remove debris.

Posted by: John Brisker | September 17, 2008 5:52 PM | Report abuse

I almost wish that we let gilbert go
so someone else could pick him up
and have their team question if he'd ever be healthy again
only to watch him get healthy
and then be an all star again
and then everyone would be like "what a stupid move. we should have retained him.

just so all you backseat drivers would shut up.

you can't predict the future, but you sure can gripe. just sit back and watch what happens. if you're right, it sucks. if you're wrong, good thing nobody let you be GM

Posted by: Chris | September 17, 2008 5:58 PM | Report abuse

Andrew--agreed, Gil might not be the best "pure" point guard like CP3 or Daron Williams, but he's more like the AI type of Point Guard. I think that Eddie Jordan knows what gil is about and will move him to the 2 when a passer is more needed. but aside from that, Gilbert hasn't really played in like 3 years, it's hard to say who he'll be when he's back a full speed and matures as an NBA player. Time will tell, but with his character I bet he eliminates any perceived problems in his game.

as for the Elton Brand talk: a. he was out the whole year with an injury too (Achilles or knee, i don't remember) and he's as much of an injury issue as Gil, plus he's 30 years old, and I think Gilbert is 26/27...(with 3 years less of playing time now) b). Elton Brand is a Dukie. nuff said. I like his game, but I'd never be a fan of his.

Posted by: paulie | September 17, 2008 6:03 PM | Report abuse

MJ had pretty bad knee problems while playing with the wiz and he didn't miss nearly as much time as Gilbert. Gilbert is 26, not 40, so either he is not revealing the true extent of his injury or something else is going on.

Posted by: wizmourner | September 17, 2008 6:16 PM | Report abuse

Everyone here bashing the Wiz and Gil would have REALLY been talking crap had he started and had the procedure after playing a few games. This was a proactive move that makes sense. Grant Hill? NO comparison.
Anyone who has ever had knee surgery will tell you that sometime you have to drain fluid, scope, or clean out loose cartilage/debris at some point. This is definitely no reason to panic...YET.
I like Gil a lot as a player but even if he were abducted by aliens, what do we have?
2 all stars (CB and AJ), an above average center (BTH), a young big with talent and experience (AB), a young gunner who can score with the best of 'em when he's hot (NY), and young talent off the bench (DM, Javale). It's not the end of the world, folks.
And why are ppl so concerned with $111 mill? It's not your money.

Posted by: Lighten up | September 17, 2008 6:17 PM | Report abuse

Even at 1293847462562% gilbert should not make as much as he does. Arenas is a fraction of a player of his overrated form. Just think, for that kind of money, you guys could have signed a ben gordan AND an Elton Brand, or a Baron Davis AND a Corey Maggette. but no, you guys decided to overpay the same players that have taken the team to 3 consecutive 1st round exits to the same team.

Posted by: RocketsFan | September 17, 2008 6:19 PM | Report abuse

Allen Houston

Posted by: rob | September 17, 2008 6:23 PM | Report abuse

more like penny hardaway rather than grant hill

Posted by: sheem | September 17, 2008 6:24 PM | Report abuse

We are unhappy about the $111 million because a) it gets replenished partially from ticket money b) it could have been used to sign someone else who is healthy enough to last an entire season on the court. I don't even remember the last time Gil accomplished that.

If it was a first time injury, we'd say, it's just a month. But it adds to a history of injury ... Eat crow, folks. DCMan88 was right.

Posted by: Gonzo, MD | September 17, 2008 6:29 PM | Report abuse

This has been covered a million times. The only way they could have had more than the MLE to spend is if they renounced both Arenas and Jamison, which was never going to happen. If the re-signed Jamison, renounced Arenas and spent the MLE they would have ended up over the luxury tax, and there was no one on the unrestricted FA market who would have helped the team enough to be worth that. Their choices were (A) keep Arenas and Jamison at whatever the cost (B) let them both go and start from scratch. Personally, I might have opted for B but I can understand the reasons why they went with A.

Posted by: kalorama | September 17, 2008 6:34 PM | Report abuse

This smacks of sensationalism on a slow afternoon in sports talk land.

I have a close friend who is a fifteen year physical therapist who works closely with orthopedic surgeons like the ones that Gilbert uses. His take is that with any surgery, there can be scar tissue build up that can occur near the site of the repaired ligament or tendon. The procedure involves creating more trauma at the site of the wound in order to fix the problem long term. Scarring differs according to individuals. Just like some African American persons get thick scar tissue versus others that don't get any at all. He said that Gil probably built up a lot of scar tissue or calcium deposits and this stuff was floating around in his knee. Most therapists try to get the person to move the joints in order to minimize the buildup of the scar tissue.

His point was that Gilbert's layoff from working out the knee may have created the situation his is in now. Before he worked out too much and didn't rest it enough. Consequently, his knee got stressed and he was more susceptible to another issue. Now, he was told to totally rest the knees (both of them). That is like telling the Tin Man from the Wizard of Oz to just sit in a pool of water. Maybe we should start calling Gil the Tin Man instead of Agent Zero.

From what my friend explained to me, Gil will probably feel an immediate relief from having the junk irritate the knee when he pushes off of the knee. Forward and backward should be okay, but the side to side stuff and the twisting motions will be areas of concern. But, just like any surgery, he has to heal without bleeding which causes the swelling, and that depends upon how fast he heals. If he heals fast, Gil should be able to run without pain in about 3 to 4 weeks. But, he will still have to strenghten both knees, so that he doesn't injure the other knee. Otherwise, his body will unconsciously overcompensate and stress out other areas of his body, such as his ankles or lower back.

The Wiz did not overspend for a player who is unhealthy or unproductive. The first part of the season is designed for the individual stars to make the All Star game. The second half of the season is what matters. If the Wiz can win 3 or every 5 games for the first 30 games, they will be 18 wins to 12 loses. Still in the hunt. Even with Gil, they seem to not excel until December anyway.

Whatever the concern for the future, Gil was rightly retained based upon what he has accomplished in the past, and the potential for more in the future. When healthy, name another guard other than Kobe or Lebron, that can score or make a defense have to specifically address him. If I look down at my hand, there will still be some fingers left after counting. So, the Wiz spent some money on a proven commodity that can score and has the potential to continue to be so for the next five years. He replaced Michael Jordan, who by the way suffered a similar issue, and we had no trouble existing with that gimpy past his prime superstar for two years. Now Gil coexists with several other scoring options and a budding defense. He does not have to do it all. Gil can distribute the ball. We now have a TEAM, a cadre of players who in their own right can be impact players. But NONE of them can change the game the way Gil did it in the past. If they could, they would have won without him.

I am willing to bet that he will continue to be an impact player in the future, even if he does not return to the level that he did in the past. Regardless, less of Gil is still more that 98% of the rest of the NBA (or other leagues as well). And, his charisma draws attention, with a much maligned franchise will need to remain of interest during a stumbling economy. We need the people in the seats, and Gil does that more than Jamal Tinsley or any other "wanna be" out there.

Finally, before he got injured, Gil was starting to improve on defense. His approach to the defensive game was developing. This is the area that will suffer the most from his injury. In the games that he played prior to surgery last year, he was getting into the lanes and getting steals, diving for the ball on the ground, and rebounding better. He wasn't Michael Jordan, but who is.

Peace, GO Wizards!

Posted by: Raymond | September 17, 2008 6:34 PM | Report abuse

Alot of people here are saying that is good to have gil sit out a month to be 100% healthy. Well guess what he wont be 100% healthy and most likely it will be the same as last year, when they said he would be back march 2 and as i remember it was not until at least april. so have your hopes about as low as possible for gil and mabye you might be pleasently suprised. Man i sure wish we sighned Bill Walker in stead of giving him to the celts. but instead another 7 footer with loads of potential lets go caron and twan go wiz.

Posted by: Bryce | September 17, 2008 6:39 PM | Report abuse

This guy really lives up to his name, agent -ZERO-, what a joke!
He is all mouth and nothing else.
He isn't worth the price of admission!
The only thing he's good at is riding his own made up hype to the bank.
The 'wow?'zards organization payed for this guy again?
I bet he doesn't play most of the 08-09 season either.

CONNN ARTIIISSSTTTT

Posted by: Agent Nothing | September 17, 2008 6:43 PM | Report abuse

I say this as a native Washingtonian and a long time Bullets/Wizards fan.

F you Gilbert Arenas, F you.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 17, 2008 6:51 PM | Report abuse

Gilbert Arenas is the biggest bust of ever

Posted by: M | September 17, 2008 6:59 PM | Report abuse

I love when we whooped your team for last 3 years. I love when you guys being subborn keep Gilbert, he's one who is hurting your team. LOL. NOW Mason jr is a spur! Now who will be your shooter? You guys got nothing now! Haha!!!

Go go go LeBron James!!! This year will average triple double 31.6 10.3 11.4!

Posted by: Fans of LeBron's | September 17, 2008 7:11 PM | Report abuse

hah hah hah hah...hah hah hah hah...yeah yeah yeah ...goooodbyyye...it's the second grant hill in the making.

Posted by: gwapogi007 | September 17, 2008 7:12 PM | Report abuse

Whew! Tough crowd!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 17, 2008 7:15 PM | Report abuse

The Wizards should of let Gil walk this summer and gave Caron and Haywood a much deserved raise instead.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 17, 2008 7:27 PM | Report abuse

DAT Y THEY SHOULD HAVE TRADED HIM INSTEAD OF SIGNING HIM DURING THE SUMMER!!..IM SICK AND TIRED OF THE WIZ, NOW IM A FAN OF SIXERS FROM NOW ON!

Posted by: ak-47 | September 17, 2008 7:29 PM | Report abuse

"... seriously, if not the athletes, than who should get the money? the impoverished owners? those poor, poor owners. nobody ever sticks up for them....

athletes get big money because their sport gets big money. the WNBA players don't make money cause the WNBA doesn't make money. get it.

... Don't like it, stop being a fan." --- paulie

I get it, but you don't seem to get it.

Both the owners and the athletes are nothing but a bunch of greedy people, and as long as there are people like yourself who will keep on feeding their ego and their packets they will continue to rip you off. I will bet you are probably barely making ends meet, living a day-to-day crappy life - I would hope I am wrong, but the statistics are on my side, it is usually the people who can't least afford it who are supporting this garbage.

How can I stop being a fan if I was never a fan of this crap. I play sports, I watch sports but I am not fan of anyone and I enjoy good competitive play at all kind of levels, I do not need to see an overpaid athlete to enjoy the sport - they are good but not that good. Get it?

Posted by: sickofit | September 17, 2008 7:41 PM | Report abuse

And they gave this zero a $120 million. UFB. If the wizzards had any sense (which of course they don't) they would have cut this loser loose a long time ago.

The Wizzards will never get past the first round of the playoff with agent the zero.

Posted by: jmd | September 17, 2008 7:44 PM | Report abuse

Reminds me of the Shaq days in Los Angeles.

He did this type of thing as well.

"I got hurt on company time so ill get the surgery on company time"

when shaq said that i almost popped a blood vessel. What im getting at is, ive been there Washington fans. Hang in there.

Posted by: anonymous | September 17, 2008 7:52 PM | Report abuse

Agent zero is right..Z E R O..over-rated, over paid and Over the hill..where was this debris all summer long?

Posted by: AADA | September 17, 2008 7:54 PM | Report abuse

gilbeeertttttttttt!!!!!!! why do yuo get injured a lot??
well umm the team was gona be good but you had to havee surgery..now i have to carry the team on my shoulders

Posted by: ?? | September 17, 2008 8:22 PM | Report abuse

he's going to enjoy his newly-built million-dollar swimming pool while reccuperating the injury. he's fooling the wizards again. what a waste of time money and investment.

Posted by: KBA | September 17, 2008 8:24 PM | Report abuse

HomerTerp and Paulie,

You are right on! Bring back Dixon!

We need a player who is experienced, versatile, and generates excitement.

Gilbert said earlier this summer that he wanted Juan back.

Ernie, are you listening? I think that Dixon has some unfinished business in Washington because it was a surprising and unecessary departure. He brought energy from the bench, and a winning spirit. He is not perfect but who is? Bring back Juan Dixon.

Posted by: jeffl86878 | September 17, 2008 8:33 PM | Report abuse

Gil, get well soon. Washingtonians, born-raised here do love you!
And i'm sick of hearing about the pool! Pool season is over in a week or 2 anyway, in the southeast!

Posted by: washingtonian | September 17, 2008 8:36 PM | Report abuse

I knew it; I knew it; I knew it.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand that when you have a star player who's missed most of the last two season from knee surgery and undergoes yet another one at the end of last season - his value gets DISCOUNTED BIGTIME!!!!

This has to be the biggest strategic blunder of Ernie's career.

Now for the third straight year we're understaffed, without our star, and have to have caron and an aging Antawn carry the entire load.

I'm guessing management knew about this for a while, but hoped to sell season tickets before they let it out to the press. Abe - time to move on. If you love this city like you say you do, then bow out. We need an owner with deeper pockets or a greater willingness to part with money or who will simply do what has to be done to win.

Posted by: NC | September 17, 2008 8:40 PM | Report abuse

It's a crock of crap when EG has to issue a prepared statement that was nothing but pure PR BS.

Somebody needs to send JaLa to VC to get to the bottom of this.

Posted by: DC Man88 | September 17, 2008 9:16 PM | Report abuse

"Gil, get well soon. Washingtonians, born-raised here do love you!
And i'm sick of hearing about the pool! Pool season is over in a week or 2 anyway, in the southeast!

Posted by: washingtonian | September 17, 2008 8:36 PM "

When did Gil's mama move to DC?

Yeah, you're right. Pool season is over. Way to go spending 1+ mil on a pool you can use like 4 months in a year.

Doesn't matter if the grotto is better than Hef's. Hef will be swimming in his pool with his ho's while Gilby's pool will be used by Canadian Geese and maybe an ice skating rink if it gets cold enough.

Posted by: DC Man88 | September 17, 2008 9:19 PM | Report abuse

"HomerTerp and Paulie,

You are right on! Bring back Dixon!

We need a player who is experienced, versatile, and generates excitement.

Gilbert said earlier this summer that he wanted Juan back.

Ernie, are you listening? I think that Dixon has some unfinished business in Washington because it was a surprising and unecessary departure. He brought energy from the bench, and a winning spirit. He is not perfect but who is? Bring back Juan Dixon.

Posted by: jeffl86878 | September 17, 2008 8:33 PM "

Nobody's going over the lux tax threshold to sign Juan.

Maybe that would work if they declare Gilby out for the rest of the season and get an injury exception. That'd work for me.

Posted by: DC Man88 | September 17, 2008 9:20 PM | Report abuse

Did I just see somebody say they should have let Arenas go and instead give Haywood a raise?? Wow, just wow.

I'm as disappointed as anyone else, but keep in mind this is not a major procedure, and he's signed for 6 years - not 1. If it's for his long-term health, then let him sacrifice the first 2 months of the season.

Posted by: psps23 | September 17, 2008 9:24 PM | Report abuse

I wonder how many of these doomsayer yahoos will be posting here once Gilbert starts putting up 20+ per game with 6 dimes and 5 rebounds and the team is winning in December.
Kal is absolutely right about the money. The logical choice was to re-sign GA and AJ. Strange that the bashers are all targeting Gilbert. He didn't put a gun to Ernie's head to offer him that contract. Our crack medical staff should have spoken up if he was damaged goods. There's no way they allowed Abe to pony up over $100 mill if they thought he was not going to get back to his old self.
Gil is a lightning rod for criticism regardless of what he does or doesn't do. He's probably responsible for depressing Holdsclaw and not playing Freddy Adu a couple years back. Oh yeah and the economy is his fault, too.
All of you folks who claim to be fans are not real fans. A real fan doesn't write his team off 2 MONTHS BEFORE THE SEASON STARTS!! sheesh.

Posted by: mark | September 17, 2008 9:33 PM | Report abuse

Crazy stuff Wiz faithful. I feel for Hibachi, still here's a post that looks at the impact of Arenas out: http://www.hoopsvibe.com/nba-blog/the-hibachi-effect-three-ways-gilbert-arenas-latest-injury-impacts-washington-wizards-ar48946.html

Peace, 'Wiz' fans. And good luck GA!

Posted by: FA | September 17, 2008 9:41 PM | Report abuse

EG = BS artist....a very bad one

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3593256

Posted by: DC Man88 | September 17, 2008 9:42 PM | Report abuse

"I wonder how many of these doomsayer yahoos will be posting here once Gilbert starts putting up 20+ per game with 6 dimes and 5 rebounds and the team is winning in December.
Kal is absolutely right about the money. The logical choice was to re-sign GA and AJ. Strange that the bashers are all targeting Gilbert. He didn't put a gun to Ernie's head to offer him that contract. Our crack medical staff should have spoken up if he was damaged goods. There's no way they allowed Abe to pony up over $100 mill if they thought he was not going to get back to his old self.
Gil is a lightning rod for criticism regardless of what he does or doesn't do. He's probably responsible for depressing Holdsclaw and not playing Freddy Adu a couple years back. Oh yeah and the economy is his fault, too.
All of you folks who claim to be fans are not real fans. A real fan doesn't write his team off 2 MONTHS BEFORE THE SEASON STARTS!! sheesh.

Posted by: mark | September 17, 2008 9:33 PM "

and the genius crawls out from under his rock again for this little tidbit.

Again, get over your obession with Gilby's stats. The only stat that matters is W's and L's.

It's not doomsday or end of the world without Gilby. Nobody is saying that. What people are saying is that EG overpaid Gilby with 111 mil, to a player who might never regain his form.

Also, Gilby shocked the NBA world with his johnny come lately surgery that will affect his team, again.

Also, Gilby did put a gun to EG's head. He threatened to walk for less money if they didn't come strong with a max contract.

Don't you get tv or radio reception under that rock?

Posted by: DC Man88 | September 17, 2008 9:47 PM | Report abuse

Shaun Livingston. Please. PLease.

Posted by: G | September 17, 2008 9:50 PM | Report abuse


My best wishes go out to Gilbert Arenas and his teammates. For an incredible athlete and basketball player like Arenas, this must be enormously frustrating. Last season proved that the Wizards are a well-coached and resilient team, able to withstand the loss of a star. But we sure hope that Arenas can play in the time frame discussed in the article. My daughter is fond of Agent Zero -- we hope to see him soon on the court and fully healthy!

Posted by: Josh | September 17, 2008 9:52 PM | Report abuse

logged on and wasn't expecting to read this news. this smells of foul play and looks more serious than what arenas & mgmt is letting on. point 1...no reports of arenas resuming b-ball activity; 2...season tkt deadline is before this announcement and 3...that comment he's quoted as saying he wasn't coming back until january is a joke. guess i won't be buying those seats behind the visitor bench for that 11-8 game in Orlando. man, this blows. i want to see the arenas of old...the guy with the quickness to go to the rack with reckless abandon and occasionally even throw one down. will that man ever return?

Posted by: G$ | September 17, 2008 9:55 PM | Report abuse

"My best wishes go out to Gilbert Arenas and his teammates. For an incredible athlete and basketball player like Arenas, this must be enormously frustrating. Last season proved that the Wizards are a well-coached and resilient team, able to withstand the loss of a star. But we sure hope that Arenas can play in the time frame discussed in the article. My daughter is fond of Agent Zero -- we hope to see him soon on the court and fully healthy!

Posted by: Josh | September 17, 2008 9:52 PM "

Here's something to keep in mind.

Gilby tried to come back last season because he felt the pressure to prove that he was a max money player. His main impetus was his fear of not being financially secure.

Now, he has his max money contract.

Now, there's no more pressure to perform or to prove anything.

If a doomsayer were to come on this blog and say that Gilby will be shutting down his career here by getting fat and by never stepping on the court again because his knee's just not right...I wouldn't think he's crazy.

On a side note, Miami should be really good this season. DWade was incredible during the olympics, they have Marion, and now they have Beasley.

Charlotte should be good.

Boston should be good.

Detroit should be good.

Cavs of course will be good.

Sixers should be good.

etc.

Posted by: DC Man88 | September 17, 2008 10:07 PM | Report abuse

for me 111 mill. would give them a better player than arenas and don't get me wrong im not a hater but he have a this knee prob. for some time now and its giving me some bad thoughts about his knee i hope the wiz made the right move on resigning him.

Posted by: neil | September 17, 2008 10:10 PM | Report abuse

Gilbert has been gimpy for at least a couple of seasons. Even when he's healthy he doesn't play defense. Teams that win championships play defense!

GET RID OF GILBERT AT ANY PRICE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: donmac | September 17, 2008 10:16 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: DC Man88 | September 17, 2008 10:46 PM | Report abuse

Why am I not suprised. I knew this Garbage was going to happen with Arenas. I advice Grunfield to trade Gilbert. You can get alot of younger prospects off of Arenas. Arenas is only 26 and he is already got Three Knee surgeries. Grunfeild please trasde Gilbert to Iraq. Well I'm kidding. I could see a good trade with the Wizards and Nuggets. The Niggets can probabily give the Wizards J.R Smith and Anthony Carter. while the Wizards give the Niggets Gilbert Arenas, A Draft pick and a Rack of Basket-Balls.

Posted by: Hareeshan | September 17, 2008 10:49 PM | Report abuse

Ouch for the Wizards

Posted by: Christian | September 17, 2008 11:04 PM | Report abuse

gilbert arenas is the biggest loser in the history of basketball. he makes Cherrokee Parks look cool

Posted by: guy | September 17, 2008 11:08 PM | Report abuse

Why is everyone making reference to Grant Hill? For eff's sake he had a physical ailment that prevented his foot from fully healing, thus refracturing even after fusion, and healing. Gilbert goes on vacation to Manila and other places, tours and makes no commitment to actually returning to his "so called" dominance...if u can call it that. Gilbert was a cocky player looking for attention constantly and now that the attention is on him, he can't give results...he should just turn to doing his blog full-time

Posted by: Niroshen from London, Canada | September 17, 2008 11:13 PM | Report abuse

"Arenas will sit after knee surgery"

This is not the last time I expect to read this headline over the next 6 years. I think there is a corollary story here about how Ernie/Eddie's tails are really on the line. For years we have been hearing about how the Wiz have underacheived b/c we have not been able to keep a healthy roster. Now that they re-upped on Arenas when they knew he has a "buyer-beware" tag on him, they simply cannot play the "injury" card anymore They made a conscious decision to build the next 6 years around a guy with a knee issue they knew about.

Sorry fellas. I see another first round exit for us - and that is if we are lucky! Philly just moved past us with Elton Brand. Atlanta has their core back and a full season with Bibby at the helm. Throw in the Celtics, Pistons, Cavs and Magic. That leaves us fighting with a healthy Dwayne Wade and Beasley, Milwaukee with RJ and Redd, and a scrappy Bulls team for the 7 and 8 spots. What did we bring to the table in the offseason? Knee surgery #3 for GA...

Posted by: p1funk | September 17, 2008 11:18 PM | Report abuse

Arenas for Carmelo Anthony

Posted by: Anonymous | September 17, 2008 11:24 PM | Report abuse

We never should of let Juan Dixon go. He REALLY wanted to stay here. He wanted to be here his whole career. We didn't even make him an offer.

Posted by: Darnell | September 17, 2008 11:27 PM | Report abuse

p1funk. I have just decided i'm in your fan club. Thats is if you have one, if not i'm starting it due to that post. I'm writtin ga letter to nba.com to get you a job. Statement was too true.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 17, 2008 11:29 PM | Report abuse

Wiz can't win significantly with or without him.

Contract was a waste of money that could have been productively used otherwise.

Arenas is WAY too full of himself.


Posted by: Wiz Bang | September 17, 2008 1:58 PM

Dude

Checkout the numbers

04-05 APG 5.1PPG 25,5
05-06 APG 6.1PPG 29,3
06-07 APG 6.0PPG 28,4

When someones averages these numbers plus a bunch of gamewinners,buzzerbeaters while being drafted in the second round(31) en projected not to play in College, then (for me) that gives him the right to be Full of himself, cause he worked hard to get were he is.

And he's not cocky he's confident:
-Recognized by The Sporting News as one of the top “Good Guys” in sports in each of the last two years (2005, 2006)…
-Became a big brother to Andre McAllister, who lost his family in a house fire in December, 2004…
-Gives his jersey away to fans, both at home and on the road, after each game…
-Has created the Zer0 2 Hero Foundation to promote the safety and well-being of children by raising funds to support organizations that aid in the preservation of families through foster care, adoption and child welfare services…
-Named the NBA Community Assist Award winner for the month of August, 2005…
-Purchased $18,000 worth of goods and delivered them to Hurricane Katrina victims sheltered at the DC Armory in September, 2005…
-Played in the NBA Players Hurricane Katrina Relief Game that took place at the Toyota Center in Houston…

Yeah I think He's Cocky and selfisch too, pfff

To get back on the matter, i think the medical staff of the WIZ wasn't capable on this item.

Can't blaim Gilbert: He didn't study medics at a Fancy Ivy League school

Okay he got paid, because that's what's he's worth(look at the numbers).

He got paid this amount because he's expected to get healty.If you're going not to sign because he's got a injury at the moment, that would be stupid, cause seeing him playing ( healty) we know what he can do. And as a GM it's important to be positive and put faith in the fact he will get healty.

Same thing: you don't wanna ride a bicycle cause you can hurt yourself. Sign of negativisme, so sign of weakness.

On not making a major move, when the big three was healty they did had the best record in the East.

On delaying the news, for the season ticket holders: i don't think they fooled the ticketholders, cause he's going to be healty for the biggest part of the season. And basketball is a TEAMsport right you root for all 5 guys.

But stop hating on the guy, he's honest and a lot of people confuse that with being cocky.

Peace

ps: sorry for my english(belgium)
and I'M NOT A WIZ FANS

Posted by: Anouar | September 17, 2008 11:47 PM | Report abuse

I love him!

Posted by: haha | September 18, 2008 12:07 AM | Report abuse

"GMac's back!"

Not for long. he'll be on the first plane back to Latvia when training camp is over and regular season rosters are set.

Posted by: kalorma | September 18, 2008 12:29 AM | Report abuse

if arenas actually concetrated on his rehab and focused on that, this problem should've occured in july and had the procedure done. as good as gilbert arenas is, with his plaque of injuries i dont see why washington would have sink so much money into him, i dont think any team would have come close to 111 million, and now that investment wont be good till december at best, but knowing arenas, more like maybe the playoffs...

Posted by: amazing | September 18, 2008 1:34 AM | Report abuse

GILBERT SUCKS! WHOOOOooooooOOOOOO washington fans, you guys obviously didnt realized YOU GUYS DONT HAVE ANY SHOOTER hahaha! Mason jr is a SPUR! Gilbert is a WASTED lolol..if you disagreed with me, then ALL IN!!!

Go go LeBron!

Posted by: LeBron James Number 1! | September 18, 2008 3:50 AM | Report abuse

sexy can i just pardon my manners, girl how you shake it got a player like woooooo>

Posted by: ray-j | September 18, 2008 3:56 AM | Report abuse

for the first time in the LeBron-era, Cavs and Wiz will never meet in the playoffs...because Wizards will never reach playoffs this time, thanks to Agent zero...an overpaid overrated "sun of a beach"

Posted by: gwapogi007 | September 18, 2008 3:57 AM | Report abuse

This sucks! I hope Gil he'll never recover!

Posted by: Agent Debris | September 18, 2008 5:18 AM | Report abuse

too sad... waaaaaaaaaaa

Posted by: Anonymous | September 18, 2008 5:39 AM | Report abuse

Be back ASAP!!!

Posted by: Hibachi | September 18, 2008 5:54 AM | Report abuse

lol. wizards suck, cheer up! suns 2009

Posted by: soup | September 18, 2008 6:29 AM | Report abuse

stop.hating.on.agent.0..hes.a.great.player.and.he.cant.help.what.happened.to.him....hes.being.doing.all.he.can.to.get.healthy...do.you.think.he.enjoys.sitting.on.the.sideline??..trust.me.the.way.he.worked.to.get.to.how.he.was.playing.2.years.ago.....he.will.be.able.to.do.it.again....

Posted by: Anonymous | September 18, 2008 7:00 AM | Report abuse

Hes injured you take it out on him lol i don't know if any of you have actually played a sport but it happens and you can't help it..

But can't imagine many of ya'll understand anything about that
All happy too cheer when hes scoring and winning us games but the second he needs support you aint there

Some of you fans make me sick

Posted by: Woody | September 18, 2008 8:42 AM | Report abuse

we'll give you wally sczerbiak and for gilbert

Posted by: Anonymous | September 18, 2008 8:57 AM | Report abuse

you mean meaningless regular season buzzer beaters

we haven't won anything, except if you consider 1st round exits winning

Posted by: Anonymous | September 18, 2008 9:07 AM | Report abuse

I remember that loser talking junk to the Celtics, their big 3 won a ring

Posted by: Anonymous | September 18, 2008 9:10 AM | Report abuse

MR Agent Zero please sent us some of your $110 million .

Posted by: Afrika | September 18, 2008 9:25 AM | Report abuse

woody i agree with you these guys are just haterz because they can't do 1% of what he did, and when gilbert will come back to the top they'll say 'yeah you can do it i'm your biggest fan' :-X

Posted by: FrenchFan | September 18, 2008 10:27 AM | Report abuse

Can't you read
He's not coming back until December/January
This is his 3rd knee surgery at 26

He won't be the same

Posted by: reasonabledoubt | September 18, 2008 10:49 AM | Report abuse

I don't care what EG said about knowing that GA might not be back for the start of the regular season when they offered him the max contract. He's trying to save face now that GA needed another scope and may be out until Dec/Jan. Time that EJ started to build the team around CB3 who is the Wizards' best all around player. Assuming CB3 is healthy and we get our usual 20-10 out of AJ, the team should be able to play .500 ball with or with Agent Zero. Team needs to go into the season on the assumption that Arenas will be at best a help in a supporting role during the 2nd half of the season. At least this year we know he won't be ready for the regular season.

Posted by: wizfan89 | September 18, 2008 11:36 AM | Report abuse

I just hope this temporary setback will not impact his stellar defense, conservative shot selection, stellar ball control, and his overall unselfish team style of play.

please come back soon Gil

Posted by: WeAreNotTheSame | September 18, 2008 12:24 PM | Report abuse

Thanks Anouar, You clearly stated the facts of Arenas' stats and character to justify his status as an elite player and the financial commitment to him. We have not had his type of impact player on this team, EVER. Unfortunately the knee injury has temporarily hampered his return to the team. Patience is needed here. The team is good without Gilbert, but much better and more dangerous with him. The playoffs without a healthy Arenas exposed how limited we can compete with the elite teams in a 7 game series. Let's support this our star player until he returns and stop the bashing.....

Posted by: GarryB | September 19, 2008 10:16 AM | Report abuse

I would say that this is what Arenas and the team trainers get for handling this so poorly the last 2 years or so with recoveries, combacks, ect, but Arenas got PAID, so he can sit pretty, depsite the fact he's a dumbass who screwed his own recovery over multi times... like i said, still got PAID though, didn't he.

Oh and btw, fast forward a year from now and we'll be talking about this same thing, whether or not he'll be ready for the season with that knee. It's obvious his knee is now f*****, it hasn't responded well once in 3 years... pretty much a disaster. I think the best you can hope for down the line is a streak where he's 80% of his former self for maybe 3 months, doens't look like he's going to be able to hold up much longer than that. It's always going to be an issue.

If he comes back in december it's going to be, "bring him along slowly till playoff time" he'll then have his minutes scaled back due to some swelling, and they will all say it's no big deal and was expected. Before you know it the season will be over and he'll have never been healthy... most likely scenario!

Posted by: WizKidsAreScrewed | September 19, 2008 11:52 AM | Report abuse

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