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Thomas LIkely Starter For Opener

Etan Thomas was in the starting lineup here in Columbus tonight for the preseason finale against the Cavaliers and Coach Eddie Jordan indicated before the game that Thomas will likely start when the Wizards open the regular season Wednesday night against the New Jersey Nets.

"I'm leaning that way, yes," Jordan said.

Thomas, who missed all of last season following open-heart surgery, has started six of the seven preseason games. Rookie JaVale McGee started and played well in a loss to the Hornets in Barcelona last week.


By Ivan Carter  |  October 24, 2008; 8:53 PM ET
 
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Anybody know why Blatche played only 3 minutes last night? Is he in the dog house to start the season?

Posted by: Izman | October 25, 2008 7:29 AM | Report abuse

Well, last night was a systematic, complete, and unequivocal thrashing by the Cavs. A few points to follow:

* There's no doubt that Juan can contribute to this team. He's a consistent scorer, and while he's not as quick as he used to be, may not have the best handles, but he's aggressive on both ends, is productive, and leaves it on the court.

* I wonder if anyone's going to be talking about NY's fadeaway jumper after this game. Or, how about his no look pass to Juan.

* There's no debate on whether to start ET or JaTravel. ET is the only viable option at the 5 right now, and that's not saying much.

* It will be a scary sight once the season starts when you see ET manning the 5 and alone in the paint while your 4, AJ, is busying 25 feet away jacking jumpers. Games might get quickly out of control like this one. Les BouleS had 4 offensive rebounds last night meaning you can pretty much forget about second chance shots and instead, see a run and gun game.

* DSong shooting 3's, driving to the basket, and about 3 steps slower than everyone else. Not good.

* As much of a gym rat and good 3 point shooter people say OPech is, ask yourself, do Les BouleS need him to do all that, or do they need him in the paint? I'll give you 3 guesses. He looked lost in the flow yesterday.

* AB + 4 minutes PT = dog house

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | October 25, 2008 7:36 AM | Report abuse

DC agree with all except the ET,fave.
ET and Dsong bring othing to the floor.
They are both beyond limited skill wise, and both undersized for EJ's choice of their positioning.
It is not coincidental that the 2nd team consistently beat the "starters", in scrimmages.
The first team is old, worn down, and just not dynamic.
It is way past time to elevate a combination of AB.JM, NY to the starting five.
That starting group of ET, DS, AD, AJ and CB, is pathetic, and far away the worst starting group I can remember, and possibly in the NBA.
Is their any doubt that EJ is going to ride this 5, and totally minimize the 'youngins?

Posted by: maxman2162 | October 25, 2008 9:41 AM | Report abuse

"It is way past time to elevate a combination of AB.JM, NY to the starting five.
That starting group of ET, DS, AD, AJ and CB, is pathetic, and far away the worst starting group I can remember, and possibly in the NBA.
Is their any doubt that EJ is going to ride this 5, and totally minimize the 'youngins?

Posted by: maxman2162 | October 25, 2008 9:41 AM "

If they go with youth movement, then they're basically waving the white flag and calling it a season.

This after spending 171 million in the offseason on "more of the same."

Also, if they go with the youth movement/blow the team up, which I'm not opposed to because I don't think Les BouleS will do anything this season, then they will be thrashed even worse than last season because almost every team in the East got better.

Key Point: Going with the youth movement is almost a death knell to ticket sales at the ticket booth, and fan interest for that matter. Even if they're waiving the white flat, they can't advertise that. It's all about the bottom line.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | October 25, 2008 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Keep in mind Etan is still is working his way back. He looks good and will continue to improve, probably won't be 100% til about a month into the season IMO. The problem is he is really our only rebounder. Rebounding looks like a serious problem area for us this year!

Blatche is not good on the boards, and his lack of effort on the boards is why Eddie took him out last night! Pesh and McGee get pushed out too easily. Antawn gets alot of garbage boards. His finese game, lack of size and defense become much more glaring with Haywood out.

McGuire has not done much in the preseason after an impressive summer league and training camp.

Songaila looks really slow. Daniels looks slower too. DeShawn has not looked good. Young still plays out of control and is TO prone. Dee Brown is not much of a playmaker despite his speed.

I thought Dixon looked good, as did Caron and Antawn. We really need Blatche to step up, and right now that looks doubtful.

Posted by: Darnell1 | October 25, 2008 10:59 AM | Report abuse

ET deserves accolades for making it back from his serious heart issue.

Even if he were healthy, he's still too undersized as a 5, and too limited offensively to be effective as a starting 4.

I said all summer long that rebounding and defense will be an issue, and it's been compounded with BTH's injury/absence. But of course, EG was content with "more of the same."

More and more, JaTravel looks like he rather play the 3 than 5. He's got no inside or back to the basket game. Van Gundy made a great observation that playing D is not just about trying to block every shot like what JaTravel does. It's about holding your ground and positioning and being smart also.

This makes it even more obvious that someone's suggestion of BTH's demise/departure due to one good game by JaTravel during the precision was more ludicrous than wishful thinking.

The issue with the team is that there are many parts that do some good things, but there's no glue that brings the team together on the offensive side. People are doing their own thing, and even if Gilby were back, that wouldn't change. He does his own thing too.

They need a guy who can run the show, not necessarily take all the shots and be there at the end for a miracle shot in case they manage to keep it close, rather than beat teams decisively and not rely on last second heroics.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | October 25, 2008 11:10 AM | Report abuse

First and foremost they will not blow this team up, after spending 160 plus million are you kidding me? I think it will be a combination of Young, McGee, Blatche and others until Arenas comes back, maybe EJ expands his rotation and allows the young guys to gain much needed experience hopefully they don't start out 0 and five and dig themselves a early hole.Their rivals in the East are more formidable so the playoffs are not a given and after viewing last nights beatdown they may be the odd team out.

Posted by: dargregmag | October 25, 2008 11:11 AM | Report abuse

If EJ does not come out and make this team look competitive and win some games, then EJ should be fired.

Tired of company lines and excuses about injuries, year after year.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | October 25, 2008 11:24 AM | Report abuse

They played poorly. Eddie’s offense simply cannot break down Cleveland. Other than a couple of players, everybody is shooting from outside.

I don’t know why AB played only 3 minutes. True, he didn’t play well in those 3 minutes. But Songaila played poorly as well, and he played 17 minutes. If anything I would think AB needs more PT in the preseason than Songaila.

Note, Both Songaila and AB were on court when they let Cleveland grabbed one offensive rebound after another. Eddie took out AB and inserted OPec. I can understand if Eddie wanted to send a message by taking him out. But Eddie didn’t play AB in the entire 2nd half either (while Songaila not only remained on court, but also played in the 2nd half.) If a coach cannot deliver a message to a player and make him regroup in the 2nd half, then the ability of coaching is in question.

NY showed sparks in San Antonia game, but cannot continue. I think we can only hope either NY or Dixon is on. (Dixon was on last night, but still not enough, in part because DS was way off.)

I think Etan played OK considering his situation. I am disappointed with his FT though. I think he should have used last season when he wasn’t cleared for contact to practice FT. I don’t know if he did or not, but 37.5% FT is just terriable.

Posted by: sagaliba | October 25, 2008 11:39 AM | Report abuse

I watched for the first time last night. Etan cannot play a starting center role for this team or any other team in the league. Just doesnt have the skills. The only option appears to be to start AB at center and appeal to his manhood to step up. But unfortunately EJ doesnt know how to do this in a nondisfuntional way. JD needs to get 15-20 minutes a night for this team to be somewhat successful, sad to say but true. The light still hasnt come on for NY...he is still too much of a goofball. Thanks for that GA. And CB needs to step up big time--I assume he is just waiting for the regualr season to start, but this has to be his team and he has to run the show and have the offense run through him. On defense, DSteve needs to take over and shut down the top 1,2, or 3 from the other team every night. Without both of these things happening each game, the Wiz will be below .500 this season. And hopefully EG will have the freedom to move EJ out...though not sure who we would get to replace him. Is there a Van Gundy available perhaps?

Posted by: oddjob2 | October 25, 2008 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Folks,

Blatche had 4 points and 2 boards in 3:49 seconds. No turnovers, 1 foul. The Wiz gained 6 points on the Cavs when he was in the game.

No one else on the team had a positive +/-.

DSong was 0-5 with NO rebounds in 17 minutes. The Wiz were -6 when he was on the floor.

What's the real story with Blatche? Did he bump knees with GA or NY? Or worse???

Posted by: Izman | October 25, 2008 1:17 PM | Report abuse

Hmm, Songaila looked like he was about 45 years old out there.

Yeah, he's never been athletic but sheesh, he's got nothing.

Wizards inside game is just about the weakest in the league. Certainly in the East. Nothing after ET. Absolutely nothing.

When they shoot well, they'll be in and win a number of games. If they don't shoot well or handle the ball well, they're in big, big trouble.

~35-47.

Posted by: SteveMG | October 25, 2008 3:25 PM | Report abuse

EJ should not have to appeal to Andray's so called manhood or anything else to get him motivated the sizable and undeserved contract he signed should be motivation enough and no DCman88 EJ should not be fired he's coaching the hand he was dealt.There is no other coach this side of Jerry Sloan that would do a better job with this team and until EG gets a clue EJ's hands are tied plain and simple,lets allow the season to get underway before we fire the coach would that be too hard?

Posted by: dargregmag | October 25, 2008 3:55 PM | Report abuse

I admit to knowing less basketball than most of those who post here, but it seems to me that both EG and EJ need to go. Neither has delivered.

Posted by: browneri | October 25, 2008 5:51 PM | Report abuse

"EJ should not have to appeal to Andray's so called manhood or anything else to get him motivated the sizable and undeserved contract he signed should be motivation enough and no DCman88 EJ should not be fired he's coaching the hand he was dealt.There is no other coach this side of Jerry Sloan that would do a better job with this team and until EG gets a clue EJ's hands are tied plain and simple,lets allow the season to get underway before we fire the coach would that be too hard?

Posted by: dargregmag | October 25, 2008 3:55 PM"

It's a reality in the NBA. When teams don't win, coaches get fired.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | October 25, 2008 6:28 PM | Report abuse

I don't know about the rest of you, but that starting 5 with Etan starting at the "5" is the most boring lineup you can ever watch. I find myself not being able to wait until EJ calls the first sub.

Nothing against Etan, but he is not a starting center. And no way in the world should it be Songalia coming in backing him up. For all the folks from last year who were constantly coming down on Haywood, you will now see how vaulable he was to the team.

I do not see EJ giving McGee "any minutes" just because he is a rookie, thus the EJ head games show will now have a new player to replace Haywood. I love EJ as the coach and I am glad he got his extention, but sometimes I tend to think he does not have a clue about the "5" spot on a NBA basketball team.

I hope I am wrong and his starting 5 proves me wrong, but I see us coming from behind every 2nd quarter with the 2nd unit because of that 1st unit he is starting the game with. Man, GA and Haywood please hurry up and heal fast......

Posted by: BulletsFever | October 25, 2008 7:09 PM | Report abuse

Ha Ha BulletsFever! That's hilarious, I've thought the exact same thing. I fell asleep in the 3rd quarter with that lineup out there. Luckily I Tivo'd the game!

Posted by: Darnell1 | October 25, 2008 7:54 PM | Report abuse

All of the above makes me wonder who is really calling the personnel shots with the Wiz: Abe, ED, EJ? You get the impression the entire team is designed to recapture a positive vibe that existed two years ago, but is gone. Most of the people on this blog want to see the Wiz roll the dice and move on; management wants to wait and see if they can get it back. And now they're locked into these mega-contracts with Gilbert and AJ. I think we're all seeing a team that's note going to get over the hump anytime soon.

Posted by: jweber1 | October 25, 2008 7:57 PM | Report abuse

That backcourt of Daniels and Stevenson doesn't have any flash. Jamison and Caron are steady vets do a little of everything solid but not spectacular. Etan is stiff and unskilled offensively.

Posted by: Darnell1 | October 25, 2008 7:57 PM | Report abuse

EJ is the 2nd longest tenured coach in the NBA behind Popovich, I believe, and although he gets accolades from his peers about his coaching ability, what is his body of work?

Three consecutive seasons of one and done and one season of 2nd round exit....all in the historically weak east.

Sure, people want to put an asterisk behind everything and say it's been that way because of injuries, but an excuse is just what it is, an excuse.

I'm giving EJ about 20 games (1/4 season) into this season and will see how things go, but if things don't start out looking good, and we start hearing excuses from a team that's had a core basically intact with "more of the same" these past couple of years with little development of their young guys, then it's pretty much a no brainer that EJ might have to go, and EG right behind him.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | October 25, 2008 8:09 PM | Report abuse

There's no coach that could do any better with this roster than EJ.

They have no inside game. None. Period. Their guards are ordinary. AJ and CB are extremely solid. All-star or near all-star caliber. But after that, it's hit and miss.

If they don't shoot well, they have no way of scoring. If they shoot well, they'll be in most games.

Can't coach anything more out of this roster.

Posted by: SteveMG | October 25, 2008 8:24 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, no coach could get more out of this team until Ayers was hired and finally the team played some defense.

Everybody knew this team had no inside game, and what did EG do? He proceeded to resign AJ who has no inside game.

They also drafted "the best player available" at their slot who has no inside game either.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | October 25, 2008 8:41 PM | Report abuse

Should the Wiz sign this "hometown" guy too and drop Dee Brown?

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/bk/bkn/6077369.html

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | October 25, 2008 9:23 PM | Report abuse

I was not saying blow up the ship, but please can anyone even suggest that they are a more competitive team with Etan and DSong and Dstev in there, instead of inserting AB, mCG, mCGAHEE, NY ...who would you rather watch?
DC- I was not saying to advertise a rebuilding, but rather to systematically begin the progression.
As you know my biggest concern remains the instincts and insight of EJ to be the one to facilitate any changes.
And sadly that Ole Abe will stand in the way of any needed and required management changes.

Posted by: maxman2162 | October 26, 2008 1:41 AM | Report abuse

"EJ head games show will now have a new player to replace Haywood."

From all indication, I think that new player will be AB, not McGee. EJ is trying to challenge AB to step up, but he often did it the wrong way as in the Haywood situation. OTOH, EJ did not count on McGee to begin with, and I think McGee will actually be benefited by Haywood's absence.


"Should the Wiz sign this 'hometown' guy too and drop Dee Brown?
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/bk/bkn/6077369.html"

I'll go for it. Strawberry is a good defensive guard. The type Wizards need.

Posted by: sagaliba | October 26, 2008 10:58 AM | Report abuse

Yea Sagaliba you are right that it will probably be AB. I just mentioned McGee because just like Haywood the year before, no matter how well Haywood played EJ was not going to give him minutes. The same now goes with McGee. EJ has to take that notion that he is a rookie and just play him. If Haywood was not hurt you would not hear my screaming for EJ to give McGee minutes.

There is one common factor in this whole equation with the "5", Etan Thomas. If Etan was not injured and out the whole year Haywood would not have gotten those minutes he got to prove that he should have been getting them in the first place.

For some odd reason it seems like EJ sees nothing wrong with playing Etan and Songalia at that "5" spot the whole game. I would rather it be AB or the McGee playing there and I take my chances there.

Yes with those two we would not have any rebounding at the "5" spot with them in there, but I am willing to live with that. My boy Haywood is not a rebounding machine either, but he has length like AB and McGee.

Lastly, Darnell I also fell asleep on the 3rd quarter with that starting five and missed the rest of the game. If this is going to be EJ's starting "5" it looks like I might not start watching the games until the 2nd quarter when the sub's come in..........

Posted by: BulletsFever | October 26, 2008 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Signing Strawberry is simply treading water. He may help defensively but offensively he doesn't.

They need inside meat. Someone, somewhere who can get some rebounds and garbage inside points. At the very least.

I know, easier to say than to find.

Right now, they're a lower-to-middle of the pack franchise. Which is probably the worst place to be since you have to be extremely lucky to get a pick in the draft who can help you.

It seems increasingly clear that the Pecherov pick was a mistake. Whether he can play or not, what he gives the Wizards and what they need is a complete mismatch.

Posted by: SteveMG | October 26, 2008 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Yea Sagaliba you are right that it will probably be AB. I just mentioned McGee because just like Haywood the year before, no matter how well Haywood played EJ was not going to give him minutes. The same now goes with McGee.

EJ has to forget that stupid notion that he is a rookie and that he has to "earn his minutes" and just play him. If Haywood was not hurt you would not hear my screaming for EJ to give McGee minutes.

There is one common factor in this whole equation with the "5", Etan Thomas. If Etan was not injured and out the whole year Haywood would not have gotten those minutes he got to prove that he should have been getting them in the first place.

For some odd reason it seems like EJ sees nothing wrong with playing Etan and Songalia at that "5" spot the whole game. I would rather it be AB or the McGee playing there and I take my chances there.

Yes with those two we would not have any rebounding at the "5" spot with them in there, but I am willing to live with that. My boy Haywood is not a rebounding machine either, but he has length like AB and McGee.

Lastly, Darnell I also fell asleep on the 3rd quarter with that starting five and missed the rest of the game. If this is going to be EJ's starting "5" it looks like I might not start watching the games until the 2nd quarter when the sub's come in..........


Posted by: BulletsFever | October 26, 2008 11:59 AM | Report abuse

"It seems increasingly clear that the Pecherov pick was a mistake. Whether he can play or not, what he gives the Wizards and what they need is a complete mismatch."

Exactly. The last thing this team needs is another "big" man who likes to chick it up from 25 feet, esp. one who doesn't rebound or defend. I honestly can't imagine what Grunfeld saw in Pecherov to convince himself that he was worth the 18th overall pick.

Posted by: kalo_rama | October 27, 2008 2:11 AM | Report abuse

I agree with pretty much everything DCMan88 said, too. I also agree with Maxman that DSong brings nothing. And oddjob, I'm 100% with you on Etan. He's an average backup. It was nice to see Etan's dreads flailing as he gathered a rebound again. Unfortunately, he'll only do it 6 times a game or so. I think he's gonna average 6 or 7 rebounds a game in 35 minutes and he'll get abused on the defensive end by any guy over 6'9" with a pulse. (Obviously this may exclude Kwame). As for JM not being as good as he is, I'm not so sure. Like BTH, JM could at least develop into a deterrent. Etan is a green light for any inside player because he's too short.
JM is a poor rebounder right now and doesn't appear to be a C. he's definitely more Rasheed than Dwight Howard. Mind you, I'm not saying he's nearly as good. he just seems to want to shoot j's rather than play post offense.

Posted by: original_mark | October 27, 2008 7:22 AM | Report abuse

What's sad is that Pech might be better than Etan and might be a better rebounder...if he was given a mandate to stay his arse in the paint.
As one of the only Pech fans here, I am anxious to see what he does when he gets some consistent pt. Etan WILL get hurt at some point and AB isn't able to stay in the game because of foul trouble. There will be nights when we need scoring and Pech's willingness to 'chuck it up there' might at least help with the spacing. I've watched Pech closely and when he doesn't rush his shot, he's relatively accurate. I don't think he's a selfcheck. I guess we'll see.

Posted by: original_mark | October 27, 2008 7:34 AM | Report abuse

oh crap. I forgot. As long as Songaila is on the roster, he'll get Pech's minutes even at the 5. Smallball, here we come.

Posted by: original_mark | October 27, 2008 7:36 AM | Report abuse

It is interesting to note that the Wizards apparently have until Friday to decide whether to pick up the third year options on Nick and Oleksiy... Hope both young men have wonderful opening games!

PS I really don't know whether Pecherov was a good pick or not, but his teammates clearly seem to like him and as the man said, you can't coach height.

Posted by: khrabb | October 27, 2008 9:07 AM | Report abuse

I'm guessing Pech's option won't be picked up. It would be dumb to do so with 4 centers on the roster.

Posted by: original_mark | October 27, 2008 9:25 AM | Report abuse

"Exactly. The last thing this team needs is another "big" man who likes to chick it up from 25 feet, esp. one who doesn't rebound or defend. I honestly can't imagine what Grunfeld saw in Pecherov to convince himself that he was worth the 18th overall pick.

Posted by: kalo_rama | October 27, 2008 2:11 AM "

Yeah, but he's a gym rat! LMAO!

On a side note, there's been little juice from the two NBA guys on this blog on OPech.

Someone needs to do an interview with him and get his opinion on what he can bring to the team and what he needs to work on. Most euro guys take instruction well.

Go ask EJ what is the deal with OPech, especially since EJ prefers to bash AB now instead, with BTH having busted his way out of EJ's dog house anyway, AB is now the b#tch boy.

OPech needs some better influences/mentors instead of guys like AJ who don't play D, shoot J's, and likes to diss the younger guys publicly.

For the record, most russian/euro big men aren't officially done until they've at least gotten their nose broken during a game. OPech's is ripe for the picking.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | October 27, 2008 9:31 AM | Report abuse

One more comment on that starting five with Etan as the center, I remember Ivan reporting the 2nd unit was beating the 1st unit in training camp by a good margin a couple of times when they played. Now grant it, this was training camp with no real meaning so I am not taking much from those results; but man am I not feeling that starting five EJ is going to use.

If EJ is going to sub like he did this last game, with Song. backing up Etan and not giving AB or JM any minutes at all, we are going to be in a world of trouble. Both of Etan and Song. are "4's" and not "5's". That is the problem right there.

I don't want it to seem like I am getting on Etan, but his game has not improved since he got here 8 years ago. He has the exact same game from 8 years ago that still has not changed...?? At least with Haywood you could see improvement each year with him adding more things to his game. With Etan you ALWAYS know what you are going to get, not bad or great; just blahhhh average.

Put Etan at the "4" where he belongs and I think we would all enjoy his game better. It is not Etan's or Song's fault EJ keeps playing them at the "5".

As for Haywood, AB, and JM you never know from game to game what you are going to get. That is what makes it exciting to watch them when they are in the games. They still have a lot of room for improvement in their games which Etan does not because he has maxed out on what he can do. Can somebody say "Brian Grant"...??

Etan is a good dude who should only be getting 15 to 20 minutes a game max with the 2nd unit at the "5". I only say this because he is too short to be playing the "5" and he does not have an outside game or a faceup game to make it even on our offensive end of the floor. Again that is no fault of his that he is playing the "5".

Although I agree with DCMan that OPEC was a "miss" on EG's part, he might be better at the "5" starting then Etan. He has some length and a little weight and unlike Haywood, AB, and JM the dude gets a high ratio of rebounds per minute when he is in there.

Posted by: BulletsFever | October 27, 2008 9:40 AM | Report abuse

"Put Etan at the "4" where he belongs and I think we would all enjoy his game better. "

No, we wouldn't. Thomas is not a PF. He's never played PF in the NBA or college. He's a C. Period.

Posted by: kalo_rama | October 27, 2008 10:11 AM | Report abuse

"There will be nights when we need scoring and Pech's willingness to 'chuck it up there' might at least help with the spacing. "

It doesn't matter how many times you type that sentence, it won't be true. Coaches don't draw up defensive game plans based on opponents' "willingness" to do things (because lots of players are willing to do things they aren't esp. good at), they base them on opponents' ability and effectiveness at doing them. And Pechrov has not, by any means, proven himself to be an effective enough shooter that any decent coach would leave a more credible threat unguarded to try and shut him down.

Posted by: kalo_rama | October 27, 2008 10:20 AM | Report abuse

"With Etan you ALWAYS know what you are going to get, not bad or great; just blahhhh average."

Which, I'm fairly certain, is a big part of why Jordan wants him in the lineup. He knows what he's going to get from him, night in and night out. There won't be any surprises or anxious moments wondering whether he's going to bring it full tilt or just sleepwalk his way through the game (I'm looking at you Andray Blatche).

Posted by: kalo_rama | October 27, 2008 10:24 AM | Report abuse

"It was nice to see Etan's dreads flailing as he gathered a rebound again. Unfortunately, he'll only do it 6 times a game or so."

As opposed to the 7 times a game Haywood grabbed one last season?

"I think he's gonna average 6 or 7 rebounds a game in 35 minutes "

His career average is about 5 rpg in 18 mpg (a slightly higher per minute average than Haywood, at 6 rpg in 24 mpg).

Posted by: kalo_rama | October 27, 2008 10:34 AM | Report abuse

For the record, most russian/euro big men aren't officially done until they've at least gotten their nose broken during a game. OPech's is ripe for the picking.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | October 27, 2008 9:31 AM

OPEC was a "miss" on EG's part, he might be better at the "5" starting then Etan. He has some length and a little weight and unlike Haywood, AB, and JM the dude gets a high ratio of rebounds per minute when he is in there.

Posted by: BulletsFever | October 27, 2008 9:40 AM


lmao. i agree 100%. lets make a Wizard of him. put his a$$ out there and let him scrap.

Posted by: prescrunk | October 27, 2008 10:34 AM | Report abuse

"No, we wouldn't. Thomas is not a PF. He's never played PF in the NBA or college. He's a C. Period.

Posted by: kalo_rama | October 27, 2008 10:11 AM"

That doesn't mean he will be good at the 5 position. He's too short for a C and might even be even overmatched at the PF position. Lucky for him he is EJ's fave. And please don't bring in Wes Unseld as an example.

Let's just wait if ET can equal Haywood's production. I'm betting he won't.

Posted by: Dave381 | October 27, 2008 11:51 AM | Report abuse

"That doesn't mean he will be good at the 5 position."

I didn't say anything about him being a good center, did I? I was simply pointing out that anyone who thinks he'd actually be better as a PF (a position he has no real experience playing and lacks the skills for) is simply fooling themselves. He plays one position, and that's C. How well he plays it is another issue.

Posted by: kalo_rama | October 27, 2008 12:28 PM | Report abuse

"I didn't say anything about him being a good center, did I?"

But better than Brendan, correct?

"I was simply pointing out that anyone who thinks he'd actually be better as a PF (a position he has no real experience playing and lacks the skills for) is simply fooling themselves."

Well anybody who thinks he'll not be able to play a PF is irrational as well.

Posted by: Dave381 | October 27, 2008 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Any team that loses its starting center who is their anchor on defense plus best offensive rebounder would be hurting. I'm not comparing Haywood to Dwight Howard or Yao Ming, but he was the most irreplacable player on the roster. Etan is strictly a backup center and looks worse on offense than before his heart surgery. I'd start AB for 10 games and see if he steps up to give us some defense and scoring at the 5.

I've noticed that AB's energy is directly tied to his minutes and he played much better as a starter when CB3 was out last year. Anyone who thinks J. McGee is ready for more than a few minutes a game is kidding themselves. He's at least 2-3 years from being a rotation player. EJ's issue is that he can't have ET and D-Song on the court at the same time because they are both so slow (same w/ Pecherov).

Hope that AD and DSS can at least play like they did last year as they gave us a lot of solid play in the backcourt. It still kills me that EG was too cheap to sign Roger Mason who could play both the 2 and PG plus was our best player off the bench. Don't see NY being able to fill his shoes except for an occasional scoring outburts....at least Juan gives effort at both ends of the court despite his shortcomings.

Expect a slow start and hope that Agent Zero is truly back early or this team could be out of playoff contention by Christmas.

Posted by: wizfan89 | October 27, 2008 3:50 PM | Report abuse

"But better than Brendan, correct?"

Nope. Thomas is better at some things, Haywood is better at some things. But, overall, I think they're both equally average and that neither one would be a preferred starter on a legit contender, a POV I've expressed several times in the past.

"Well anybody who thinks he'll not be able to play a PF is irrational as well."

No, anyone who thinks he can't play PF is simply a realist. He's never played PF specifically because he lacks the requisite skills and physical ability (lateral quickness, face up shooting, defending away from the basket) to do so.

Posted by: kalo_rama | October 27, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse

"Thomas is better at some things"

Agreed. He's better at those wild swings of elbows and the snarl, mean look which doesn't scare anybody. But is he an upgrade from Brendan, 100% NOT!

"He's never played PF specifically because he lacks the requisite skills and physical ability"

And he lacks the size and the ability to play at the Center position as well so that means he's just taking up space in the roster?

Posted by: Dave381 | October 28, 2008 9:48 AM | Report abuse

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