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Daniels Out, Dixon In

The Wizards will have a different starting lineup against the Orlando Magic on Saturday. Not because Eddie Jordan decided to mix it up after an 0-4 start. He had no choice.

Point guard Antonio Daniels ruled himself out this morning with a sore right knee. Daniels said he injured himself while working out in San Antonio last summer, but tweaked his knee on Friday against the New York Knicks.

Daniels missed nine games with a sprained right knee last season.

Juan Dixon will get the start against Orlando. Dixon had a career-high 11 assists and eight rebounds against the Knicks on Friday.

By Michael Lee  |  November 8, 2008; 6:30 PM ET
 
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Well this could be a blessing in disguise. Hopefully the McGee over Thomas trend continues as well.

Posted by: LooseCannon1 | November 8, 2008 6:39 PM | Report abuse

Wow. This is really, really tough to watch. I know that it's very early in the year, but they are getting soundly beaten by better teams and getting out hustled by inferior teams. Right now, they aren't even fun to watch. Hopefully they can find their chemistry and turn it around.

Posted by: larryrob | November 8, 2008 7:52 PM | Report abuse

Two home games at VC.

Two wasted batches of balloons.

When will it end?!?!

When?!?!

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 8, 2008 7:56 PM | Report abuse

Ugh, Magic shooting just under 60% for the game and up by 19 at half.

I don't think Dixon can start; he's a role player. But that's the least of their problems.

They have idea defensively at all. Just five guys scrambling around the floor.

And sorry, Dee Brown was just a wasted pickup. He gives the Wizards nothing that they can't get from Dixon.

Posted by: SteveMG | November 8, 2008 8:14 PM | Report abuse

They have idea defensively at all

That's no idea.

Posted by: SteveMG | November 8, 2008 8:15 PM | Report abuse

Time and again, Etan let Howard catch the ball too far under the basket. And he is slow to respond to the missed shots too. I don't know why don't they try McGee on Howard?

Posted by: sagaliba | November 8, 2008 8:42 PM | Report abuse

This team is awful, this is painful to watch... maybe we'll be lucky to win 20 games...this sucks

Posted by: rachel216 | November 8, 2008 8:50 PM | Report abuse

I don't know why don't they try McGee on Howard?

I guess they could try. Howard would just overwhelm him physically. Strong man.

ET is about the only guy they have that can match up strength-wise.

Posted by: SteveMG | November 8, 2008 8:52 PM | Report abuse

Man, all of these layups.

Okay, the Wizards have no shotblockers (I'm discounting McGee for this point). But at least make these guys earn the layups.

Knock them on their fannies.

Somebody?

Posted by: SteveMG | November 8, 2008 8:54 PM | Report abuse

Where's Colossus when you need him?

Les BouleS 8 pts in the paint.

Orlando 36 pts in the paint.

3rd quarter, 1:29

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 8, 2008 8:55 PM | Report abuse

"ET is about the only guy they have that can match up strength-wise.

Posted by: SteveMG | November 8, 2008 8:52 PM "

Unfortunately, this is not arm wrestling.

DHoward has ET beat on all other categories basketball related.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 8, 2008 8:57 PM | Report abuse

AB on the break passes to JaTravel at midcourt....end of story.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 8, 2008 8:58 PM | Report abuse

This team is awful. I blame the GM. I can think of no other teams that would start Stevenson, Daniels and Thomas, or many who would have them on their bench. Pech and Brown are not NBA-ready, and may never be. Our best players - Jamison, Butler and Arenas are not pure position players. While Butler is always a revelation on the court, the other two are problematic. Jamison lacks muscle at the PF, while Arenas lacks passing skills and the ability to lead, distribute and marshall a team. While they put up good stats, they leaves holes which must be compensated for elsewhere. At center, Haywood is serviceable, and Mcghee may become a star. Blatche needs a year in the military, or college, or something. But I fear he is one of those players who joined the NBA too young and missed a key period in his development that the peculiar non-reality of the NBA player will never afford him. I think Mcguire has developed as far as he will, and will forever remain a 10/11th option. Young has grown up a lot and could be something special yet. If winning a championship is the measurement of a team, Grunfeld has made a mess of it, despite his occasional inspired draft picks.

Posted by: SammyT1 | November 8, 2008 9:06 PM | Report abuse

I know its easy to be overly sour but, man, they've got guys who can't play.

Pecherov just doesn't have the athletic ability to play in this league. He just doesn't.

Okay, he's a nice fourth string backup center/forward.

There: not all is lost.

Posted by: SteveMG | November 8, 2008 9:11 PM | Report abuse

ouch.

Last year's 0-5 start was much different, Arenas was playing then and there was a relative calm. This is now soap opera quality entertainment. Will EJ turn his back on the vets and risk losing them? Will EG or Pollin blink and send EJ packing? Will Jamison ever shoot a free throw again? Will DMac hit a jump shot this year? How long until Blatche takes the ball the length of the court to score...for the opposing team? How good can McGee be?

So, yeah it sucks to lose but for me it's a riveting train wreck.

Posted by: The_Shadow_Knows | November 8, 2008 9:37 PM | Report abuse

Losing is one thing, but when Les BouleS look essentially noncompetitive, forget about it. Doesn't matter who is out with an injury.

Tonight was one night, one of many more to come, where no one can use the lack of perimeter defense as an reason for the loss.

Les BouleS killed in the paint both offensively and defensively.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 8, 2008 9:46 PM | Report abuse

This organization does not care about winning. The old man is cheap; they resigned the wrong players just to get people to come to the games. Last year they would not exceed the luxury cap even when they did not have enough players at practice. They should have resigned Mason spent money on Elton Brand and let Gil and Jamison walk. No other team would have signed either one of them for the amount the Wizards did, so they could have got them cheap. The draft picks other then Young suck and he plays the same position that Butler should be playing. People stop going to the games and maybe someone will think about taking the team in a new direction.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | November 8, 2008 9:52 PM | Report abuse

I was never a huge fan of Roger Mason, but I'd sure rather have him on the team instead of DS.

Looks like things are working out for him so far down in Texas.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/stats?playerId=1721

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 8, 2008 9:56 PM | Report abuse

Back-to-back games really exposes a team, doesn't it?

Either the team has it or they don't. And if they don't, consecutive contests reveal it.

Tough league, that's for sure.

Posted by: SteveMG | November 8, 2008 10:15 PM | Report abuse

"ET is about the only guy they have that can match up strength-wise."

Uh, ET was pushed around by Howard like nobody's business. That's why I asked. Wiz need a bruiser, ET is not it (other than the infamous boxing match with his own teammate).

ET is supposed to be a good shot blocker. But his reaction time seems a bit slow maybe due to the layoff last season.

I was thinking maybe McGee's length can offset the strength advantage Howard has. By the time EJ let McGee guard Howard, they are already 25 pts down, and EJ had thrown in the towel.

Posted by: sagaliba | November 8, 2008 10:27 PM | Report abuse

"I was thinking maybe McGee's length can offset the strength advantage Howard has. By the time EJ let McGee guard Howard, they are already 25 pts down, and EJ had thrown in the towel.

Posted by: sagaliba | November 8, 2008 10:27 PM "

Howard ate JaTravel's lunch on a few post plays.

In any regard, it's reported that the 6'10" Howard has an 8' wingspan.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 8, 2008 10:45 PM | Report abuse

Will someone please tell McGuire the NBA no longer allows the jump stop. He does it about once a game and gets called for walking. So when is Young going to start? The guy is really playing consistently offensively and giving the effort defensively. He's a 25 point scorer in this league if given the time. It's going to be a long year.

Posted by: ptp23 | November 8, 2008 10:50 PM | Report abuse

Uh, ET was pushed around by Howard like nobody's business

Yeah, that's why I said "about" the only guy.

Compared to every other guy they have, he's Wilt.

Posted by: SteveMG | November 8, 2008 11:05 PM | Report abuse

Also jamison and butler as starting forwards is not a nba size front court. When will the Wizards understand that?

Posted by: ptp23 | November 8, 2008 11:11 PM | Report abuse

SammyT1,

I totally disagree with you. This team has made the playoffs 4 straight years based solely on the all-star talent on the team accumulated mainly by EG. Now, two starters are down so EVERYBODY is playing out of position. EG is hurt by his owner who not only won't go over the luxury tax, but he mandates certain things happen like keeping EJ and signing GA and AJ to what already look like burdensome contracts. The desire to satisfy Arenas by overpaying AJ and having to keep DS has already screwed up this team as well.

I agree Dee Brown is not even an NBA player and Pech does not look to be either, but they should be 11th/12th men at best when the team is healthy. EG took a flier on Blatche and after showing promise last year looks like he is sulking this year under EJ. I watch on NBA ticket and the Orlando announcers (two of the more competent local guys) called Blatche a "complete mess" this year. He is embarrassing himself.

This team will be terrible this year! Period. Now if they keep playing embarrassing basketball as if EJ is totally tuned out I could see him getting axed eventually! Hurray!

Posted by: rphilli721 | November 8, 2008 11:39 PM | Report abuse

I've always been intrigued by Blatche's potential -- he lures me into it every year. But this year, he's just been awful. Whenever he's on the court, it really is a complete and utter mess. It's been, for me, the most frustrating part of this already awful season. He's the most clear symbol for the team's total ineptitude.

Posted by: empsg59 | November 9, 2008 12:51 AM | Report abuse

Andray Blatche appears to have almost no basketball IQ. Why the hell would he throw the ball to McGee, on the run, five feet behind the half court line with three Magic players around him? I don't care how young, tall, and long he is, he doesn't get it and it looks like he might not ever get it. They should really think about trading him.

I noticed that Redick didn't play. Gosh, I wonder why, since he's such a great shooter and all. If only he'd get a chance ... oh wait, he got a chance at the beginning of the season and he stunk. Shocking.

On an unrelated note, the idea that the Wizards resigned Jamison to "satisfy Arenas" is utter nonsense. They resigned Jamison because Pollin, Grunfeld, and Jordan love the guy.

Posted by: kalo_rama | November 9, 2008 12:56 AM | Report abuse

Straight up.. you get what you pay for...
You pay millions for a whole lot of nothing.... you get a whole lot of NOTHING

Posted by: lk11 | November 9, 2008 7:27 AM | Report abuse

Let's be honest about what it takes to be an NBA championship caliber team. You need a great, top 5 player, at least one very good complimentary player and a reliable supporting cast willing to do the dirty work. The Wizards simply don't have the superstar (arenas was never that guy), but may have the other pieces. So I look at it this way: They currently have 2 very good players in Arenas (if he can get healthy) and Butler. Jamison has too many deficiencies to be a starter on a top tier team. So the only way you get a great, great player in this league is through the draft, and that opportunity is rare. So I hope that this year can be devoted to developing the Wizards only 2 good young players (McGee and Young), unloading bad contracts/players, and getting Arenas back healthy and in basketball shape. Then if they get lucky, they will be in a position to get a great player in the 2009 Draft.

Posted by: ZardsFan1 | November 9, 2008 8:54 AM | Report abuse

"On an unrelated note, the idea that the Wizards resigned Jamison to "satisfy Arenas" is utter nonsense. They resigned Jamison because Pollin, Grunfeld, and Jordan love the guy.

Posted by: kalo_rama | November 9, 2008 12:56 AM "

Ummm, it was reported by Ivan many times this offseason that Les BouleS/EG wanted to do everything to appease Gilby which included signing AJ.

The idea of the brass signing AJ b/c they loved him is part of the reason why they retained him, but AJ's return was pretty much solidified with Gilby's outspoken desire to keep him on the team, and they did just that.

I recall Gilby saying during the summer that if they didn't resign AJ, then it's a sign of rebuilding, and that he didn't want to be part of a rebuilding team and wouldn't resign. Can't be more clear than that.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 9, 2008 9:09 AM | Report abuse

As most of you know or don't know i am an unabashed wiz fan,but man this is bad i mean why would you give Pecherov an extension? and on another note why not let Jamison and Arenas test the market you can resign them for less or maybe start thinking about a youthfull future i thought i'd never say this but the injury to Brendan has a serious impact on this team the fault lies at the feet of EG, Dee Brown is a D-league player,McGuire needs to learn how to play, every game the same stupid move which results in a travel call!! I honestly like MeGee he has something you can't teach size.I'm sure EJ is fustrated by all this five games in and they look ...........well no need to go into that.

Posted by: dargregmag | November 9, 2008 9:50 AM | Report abuse

"Howard ate JaTravel's lunch on a few post plays."

Yes, in ac couple of plays. Sooner or later, he will have to be schooled.

Posted by: sagaliba | November 9, 2008 10:31 AM | Report abuse

Ummm ... They were going to re-sign Jamison regardless of anything Arenas said. Certainly having Arenas' support didn't hurt, but it was in no way the deciding factor. Rebuilding from scratch was never an option. EG made clear that keeping the team together was priority one, and he did so well before Arenas shot off his mouth. Can't be more clear than that.

Posted by: kalo_rama | November 9, 2008 10:31 AM | Report abuse

An 8 man rotation of Haywood, McGee, Blatche, Jamison, Butler, Young, Dixon, Arenas.


When we reach the point as far as health, player development, and team play, to where this is our consistant 8 man rotation is when we will be able to what this team can actually do. Hopefully that will be before the end of the season.

Posted by: Darnell1 | November 9, 2008 11:05 AM | Report abuse

Ummmm....you said they resigned AJ b/c of their manlove for him, and anything else would be "utter nonsense."

Now, you're back tracking by saying having Gilby's support didn't hurt.

I guess you missed the articles where Ivan, who is privy to much more inside knowledge/information than we are, reported that EG was going to do everything to appease Gilby.

Then Gilby threw it out there that he'd take less to ensure AJ was signed.

In any regard, what's done is done and Les BouleS have another 0-5 record and 171 mil in long term contracts to show for it.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 9, 2008 11:24 AM | Report abuse

Grunfeld resigned Jamison and Arenas because under cap rules that was the only move that allowed him to sign two players. There were other teams that were making moves to sign both, so sitting here and saying that no other team was prepared to make either player an offer is an attempt at restating what really happened.

The team's current problems aren't pretty. I thought that losing Haywood would really hurt, right now there's just no stability inside. Brendan finally matured into a solid NBA center last season, nothing spectacular just a solid starting NBA center.

His stepping up on a year when the team lost it's superstar was one important component of last year's solid performance.

Daniels solid play was another, but he hasn't looked right all year. I've got a bad feeling that thing's worse then he's been letting on. He has no speed, no lateral movement and no hops. I don't think I've seen him take one of his patented drive to the hoop yet.

Any team with out a legit starting center and down to their third point guard is in trouble in this league. Add in a starting 2 that is a role player on offense that can't create his own shot and you're in real trouble.

I think Ray said about a week ago,"I'll see you at the lottery". Without Arenas, it's tough to go upscale, without Haywood the wiz can't grind it out playing defensive minded ball. Eddie's between a "rock and a hardplace" right now.

I see he has no choice but to turn more and more to Nick Young, he's been one of the bright spots so far. Looks like Juan Dixon might be the starter at point for awhile. Juan's done ok so far, and he and Nick seem to discovered a quick chemistry together.

But boy, not many teams go far starting their third point guard, which means the fourth guy has got to get major minutes. As gimpy as Daniels is, I've resigned myself to him being inactive for awhile.

Upfront, the idea of reducing Jamison and Butler's minutes will take the backseat for awhile. Eddie needs the stability they provide on the court so he can force feed McGee minutes. I'd say the Wiz have to live with the Kid's mistakes and see if he can quickly develop consistancy to go with all of that upside he flashes.

Pecherov, Brown, and McGuire all could be possibly better served getting consistant minutes in D league to work on their game. But it looks like all will be pressed into active service as the injury list grows.

Blatche has been disappointing so far, but the talent's there, he's not producing yet. I'd put him and McGee on the floor together at times with Young, Dixon, and either Jamison or Butler and go uptempo. getting Blatche back to forward some might help get his head right.

Eddie has got a tough job at the moment, he doesn't want to see this team buried in Nov., but at the same time the future is with the kids. Thomas, Stevenson, and Daniels should take a backseat to getting the youngsters up to speed and ready to run when Gil gets back.
GM

Posted by: flohrtv | November 9, 2008 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Grunfeld resigned Jamison and Arenas because under cap rules that was the only move that allowed him to sign two players. There were other teams that were making moves to sign both, so sitting here and saying that no other team was prepared to make either player an offer is an attempt at restating what really happened.

GM


Posted by: flohrtv | November 9, 2008 12:16 PM

You're right GM - some on here seem to be able to remember every minute detail about what Gilbert Arenas allegedly said 5 years ago, but can't remember facts reported in the paper earlier this year.

Both Jamison and Arenas were being pursued by other teams.

The Wizards would NOT have been able to pursue TWO (2) top level Free Agents (like Brand and Baron Davis, for instance), because they were only about $12-13 Million under the Salary cap (if they renounced Arenas and Jamison).


Philly was making noise that they wanted to sign Jamison. They had the cash - and they had the need for a PF. We, here on this blog, were even asking how Jamison could possibly know that Philly wanted him - without there being tampering involved.

http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/55834


The Warriors actually made a max offer to Arenas for 5 years for $101 Million.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/8303618/Reports:-Wizards,-Warriors-make-max-offers-to-Arenas?CMP=OTC-K9B140813162&ATT=73

So, to say that the Wizards should have allowed their Free Agents to walk (without compensation), or to let them "test the market" is to not allow for the facts. Similarly, saying that the Wizards only resigned Jamison to appease Arenas is also discounting the fact they could have resigned Arenas and let Jamison walk (or vice versa)- but they would be in the EXACT SAME SALARY CAP POSITION as right now.

Posted by: Rook6980 | November 9, 2008 3:19 PM | Report abuse

As usual, your mouth is writing checks that the facts can't cash. They only way your "argument" about them re-signing Jamison to "appease" Arenas has any legs is if you can support the implication that, absent Arenas' endorsement, they wouldn't have re-signed him. Which is, of course, nonsense. They resigned Jamison because everyone in the Wiz upper brass valued him as a leader and a player. Of course the fact that Arenas wanted him back didn't hurt. But it also didn't really help, because they were going to re-sign him regardless. Unless they were willing to scrap the team and start from scratch (which they made clear they weren't) they really didn't have choice.

Posted by: kalo_rama | November 9, 2008 3:21 PM | Report abuse

But boy, not many teams go far starting their third point guard, which means the fourth guy has got to get major minutes. As gimpy as Daniels is, I've resigned myself to him being inactive for awhile.

This is where the loss of Mason really is magnified. He gave them some veteran stability and spurts of offense.

Mason with NY and JD would have been a nice 3-guard rotation. Dee Brown was just a terrible pickup; albeit EG probably had nowhere else to go.

Wow, what a mess of a team. They're both too old and too young at the same time.

And the draft next year offers them little.

Posted by: SteveMG | November 9, 2008 3:25 PM | Report abuse

As stated, this just magnifies how important Haywood is to this team. Jamison said so regarding Haywood's instructing them on the defense and all. After hearing that Haywood would need the operation, I pretty much figured that was it for this year. McGee and Young are looking very promising. AD, Stevenson, Blatche, Songalia are not performing at all. Then you have McGuire and Pechorov left...There's no one in this years draft?

Posted by: washwiz | November 9, 2008 4:07 PM | Report abuse

The team managed to overcome last season's injury epidemic largely because a number of key players had career best seasons. You can't really count on that happening two years in a row.

At least we now know what's behind Daniels slow start. I suspect had Arenas not gone down, he likely would have taken some time off to heal to start the season. Gotta give the guy some props for trying to play through the pain. And while there's no denying the real weaknesses in his game, it's worth remembering that Thomas hasn't played competitive, full contact basketball in a year, so it's not surprising he didn't come out of the gate at 100%. This team has too many setbacks right now to overcome with just hustle and a positive attitude. And a coaching change isn't going to make a difference. They just don't have the bodies.

"Wow, what a mess of a team. They're both too old and too young at the same time."

I've been banging that drum for a while, saying that they needed a proven vet scorer off the bench. I guess 1-season plus now counts as "veteran" because it looks like Young is going to be it for a while.

Posted by: kalo_rama | November 9, 2008 4:15 PM | Report abuse

So, to say that the Wizards should have allowed their Free Agents to walk (without compensation), or to let them "test the market" is to not allow for the facts. Similarly, saying that the Wizards only resigned Jamison to appease Arenas is also discounting the fact they could have resigned Arenas and let Jamison walk (or vice versa)- but they would be in the EXACT SAME SALARY CAP POSITION as right now.

Posted by: Rook6980 | November 9, 2008 3:19 PM

Rook6980 I could not have said this any better myself. Great Post. EG's hands were tied, he had to salvage something.

As for the game last night, the Wiz were just overmatched, period....!!! With Haywood and Gilbert the game might have been closer.

As much as I banged Haywood's drum last year for EJ to give him more minutes, not even I could see how valuable the dude was to the team. I just hope EJ now sees that aspect of Haywood game and contribution also.

I do not have a clue on what is wrong with AB. The dude looks snakebitten out there. I think EJ should just start him at center on the second unit and let him work through his mistakes. AB HAS TO STOP MAKING SO MANY DANG TURNOVERS!!!!!!!

Stevenson looked like he had a better game yesterday. However, the three guys who look like they play really well together is Juan, McGee and NY.

I think EJ should start the next three games as follows:

Starting Unit

McGee - 5
AJ - 4
CB - 3
NY - 2
Juan - 1

Second Unit

AB - 5
Song - 4
DMac - 3
Stevenson - 2
Brown - 1

Now I know my first unit combo has left no scoring on the bench, but who cares right now? The Wiz need to come out of the blocks fast not slow. They need a win...!!

AB playing with the 2nd unit might also take some pressure off of him and allow him to clear his head.

Posted by: BulletsFever | November 9, 2008 5:46 PM | Report abuse

This from Yahoo sports:
[I]n the team’s latest loss Saturday at Orlando, [Antwan] Jamison seemed disinterested during the late stages of a blowout loss, something that was evident when he did not join a team huddle during a timeout in the third quarter.

Hmm, tuning EJ out? Or much ado about (little to) nothing?

I see some intenral dissension percolating up between the veterans and the younger players who are perceived as not being serious.

We know the suspects. Could get ugly.

Posted by: SteveMG | November 9, 2008 5:59 PM | Report abuse

"As usual, your mouth is writing checks that the facts can't cash. They only way your "argument" about them re-signing Jamison to "appease" Arenas has any legs is if you can support the implication that, absent Arenas' endorsement, they wouldn't have re-signed him. Which is, of course, nonsense. They resigned Jamison because everyone in the Wiz upper brass valued him as a leader and a player. Of course the fact that Arenas wanted him back didn't hurt. But it also didn't really help, because they were going to re-sign him regardless. Unless they were willing to scrap the team and start from scratch (which they made clear they weren't) they really didn't have choice.

Posted by: kalo_rama | November 9, 2008 3:21 PM "

As usual, your rear end is writing checks that the facts can't cash.

The errors in your arguments are so easy to point out and you've been exposed many times for how you've been blatantly wrong, whether it's erroneous arguments about Pau Gasol, Memphis Grizzlies, nonsense about Wiz perimeter defense being a huge factor in the NY loss, your dismissal of BTH's value to inside defense, Gilby having little influence on AJ's resigning, etc., etc., etc.

You must get around a lot, being the little fly on the wall that you are where you think your assumption is the truth, nevermind reality and what is reported by the reporters on the beat.

Hilarious.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 9, 2008 6:03 PM | Report abuse

The Grizzlies, a lottery team looking to shed payroll, got rid of a max player who'd never gotten them out of the first round for $9 mill in cap space and a younger, cheaper player at the same position who's currently averaging a near double-double and looks to be one of the best big men in his class.

The Knicks outscored the Wizards by 24 points on 3 pointers in an 8 point loss.

Nothing you said actually rebuts the point (made by other people besides me) that your latest "blame Arenas rant" regarding Jamison's re-signing is nothing but more incoherent nonsense from the master of the genre.

Posted by: kalo_rama | November 9, 2008 6:18 PM | Report abuse

And since you love to surround yourself with straw men allies, it's worth noting that the coach of the Grizzles said that the deal worked out in their favor and that both the Wizards' coach and players pointed to the Knicks 3-point barrage as the facto in the loss. And, of course, the same "reporters on the beat" whose words you routinely twist to your own assinine ends, reported repeatedly of the close relationship between Jamison and Pollin and the fact that both Jordan and Grunfeld highly value his leadership on the team.

But, as usual, you won't let such easily confirmed facts deter you from your patented crap-spewing idiocy.

Posted by: kalo_rama | November 9, 2008 6:25 PM | Report abuse

EDIT:

both the Wizards' coach and players pointed to the Knicks 3-point barrage as the factor in the loss.

Posted by: kalo_rama | November 9, 2008 6:27 PM | Report abuse

"Hmm, tuning EJ out? Or much ado about (little to) nothing?"

The latter, I suspect. It was likely just an expression of his frustration with losing (plus he didn't really need to be in the huddle because he knew he wasn't going back into the game at that point). As for the possibility of a turf war in the locker room ... that's certainly a possibility, but I don't know that it'll be split along vet/kid lines, because some of the vets haven't exactly shown up either, while some of the kids have come out with some fire.

Thomas is still dealing with the physical effects of a year-long layoff (getting his legs and wind back, etc.) but somebody needs to put Stevenson's face on a milk carton, because he's been a ghost.

Posted by: kalo_rama | November 9, 2008 6:34 PM | Report abuse

Thomas is still dealing with the physical effects of a year-long layoff (getting his legs and wind back, etc.)

Yeah, I've been reluctant to criticize him since he's overcome so much.

Plus, let's face it: he is what he is. A decent backup big man with little scoring ability. I.e., 4-5 points, 6-7 rebounds and he gives a good effort.

Daniels is clearly hurt; Stevenson's consistency is his inconsistency.

I'm really down on Pecherov. This is a chance to show us something. Let's do it, my man.

Posted by: SteveMG | November 9, 2008 8:19 PM | Report abuse

"The Grizzlies, a lottery team looking to shed payroll, got rid of a max player who'd never gotten them out of the first round for $9 mill in cap space and a younger, cheaper player at the same position who's currently averaging a near double-double and looks to be one of the best big men in his class.

The Knicks outscored the Wizards by 24 points on 3 pointers in an 8 point loss.

Nothing you said actually rebuts the point (made by other people besides me) that your latest "blame Arenas rant" regarding Jamison's re-signing is nothing but more incoherent nonsense from the master of the genre.

Posted by: kalo_rama | November 9, 2008 6:18 PM "

You're a complete idiot.

You posted a quote by the coach as saying they got what they wanted with the Gasol trade, to back your claim.

Then, I posted a quote by the owner who questioned the trade and doubted if his people did their homework.

In case you didn't realize, the owner trumps the coach.

With regard to the Knicks, I guess you've invented the new math. The loss was actually by 6 points, and I clearly pointed out that their bigs had limited 3 point success and even Nate Robinson only had one 3 pointer even though he scored 17 points in that game. Quite a few driving to the basket.

Their bigs of course killed the Wiz, with
Zach having 22 pts (one 3 pointer), Chandler with 17 pts (no 3's), and David Lee with 13 pts (no 3's).

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=281107027

Of course, you probably didn't noticed how Orlando dominated Les BouleS in the paint last night also, so that refutes your obsession that the lack of 3 point defense is dragging the team down.

Colossus (aka BTH), as I pointed out via direct Jamison quotes, is sorely missed by the team defensively. Get over your hate and rants against BTH because your looking more foolish every time.

BTW, I didn't lay blame on Gilby for pushing the resigning of AJ. I gave him credit for his influence on management in playing jr. GM, something he's done quite well for his teammates in the past including Deshawn Stevenson.

Even Ivan Carter has written that EG did everything to appease Gilby's wishes, which you can't seem to comprehend, but that's understandable based on your wrong comments from left field.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 9, 2008 9:09 PM | Report abuse

"And since you love to surround yourself with straw men allies, it's worth noting that the coach of the Grizzles said that the deal worked out in their favor and that both the Wizards' coach and players pointed to the Knicks 3-point barrage as the facto in the loss. And, of course, the same "reporters on the beat" whose words you routinely twist to your own assinine ends, reported repeatedly of the close relationship between Jamison and Pollin and the fact that both Jordan and Grunfeld highly value his leadership on the team.

But, as usual, you won't let such easily confirmed facts deter you from your patented crap-spewing idiocy.

Posted by: kalo_rama | November 9, 2008 6:25 PM "

You're a moron who can only deal with absolutes, and you love to surround yourself with BS. In your world, it's black and white.

To say that Gilby had no influence on Wiz management and their decision to resign AJ was pure BS....you at your best.

I never said Gilby was the sole influence in getting AJ resigned. Gilby though, held a lot of influence on Wiz management in what they did including resigning AJ.

In case you're new to the NBA, a team's max money player usually does wield that level of power, ESPECIALLY when he's an unrestricted free agent and can walk with no compensation to the team he leaves at the altar.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 9, 2008 9:18 PM | Report abuse

"The Future
The future is the future. I want to be back in Washington, but weird things happen in free agency. If Antawn is not back, then there’s no point in me coming back because he’s part of my success, too. When you’re doing pick and roll with a player like him, they can’t double you, they can’t trap you because you have a pick and pop guy who can shoot the three at your four position. My success is because of him too. If he doesn’t come back, I’m not coming back.

I know everybody is focusing on whether I’m coming back, but I’m focusing on what he’s doing. If he doesn’t come back, then I’m not coming back. "

http://my.nba.com/thread.jspa?threadID=580003995

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 9, 2008 9:37 PM | Report abuse

Two most unreplaceable parts on this team are Areans and Haywood. You can't cover having no presence on the defensive end when your only legit 7-footer is out for the year. Last year we had a healthier Daniels and Roger Mason to cover for the loss of Arenas. Now the team is down the guy who masked the defensive deficiencies of the entire front line, set the picks on offense, and did a great job on the offensive boards.

How many times did Haywood cover up when players came down the lane and either blocked the shot or forced a difficult one? Too many times to count. Yes, we got killed by opponent 3's but Dwight Howard never had a monster game like last night with Haywood covering him. Etan is no more than a backup for 10-15 minutes a night. Even Eddie knows how much they are hurting without BTH.

The mess lies at EG's feet that he never had an adequate backup bigman and was lucky Haywood was so durable the last year. You would have thought he'd have saved some of the money that was spent on Arenas to sign a FA bigman like Ronny Turiaff so we had some inside muscle. Agent Zero could have been re-signed for less than $111M considering he'd have had to pass a physical with any other team.

It's going to be a long and ugly year regardless of when and in what condition Arenas returns. At this point, the time needs a lottery pick to pick a big man who can play the 4 or 5 and provide some rebounding and low post scoring. Play the young guys NY and McGee as much as possible to get experience since they are the team's future.

Posted by: wizfan89 | November 9, 2008 11:33 PM | Report abuse

Reading the late night (Monday's article) Jamison does sound upset with the losses and the locker room's atmosphere after these blow outs. 2 good articles.

Posted by: washwiz | November 9, 2008 11:44 PM | Report abuse

"To say that Gilby had no influence on Wiz management and their decision to resign AJ was pure BS"

And, in typical fashion, you ignore what I actually said in favor of responding to something you made up.

I never said Arenas "had no influence on Wiz management and their decision to resign AJ." In fact, I quite clearly said (twice) that Arenas' endorsement "certainly didn't hurt" Jamison's situation. What I said, in direct and fact-based contradiction to your nonsense, was that they didn't sign Jamison "to appease Arenas."

In other words, the fact that Arenas wanted him confirmed the decision they were already predisposed to make (what I said); which is wildly different from saying that the fact that Arenas wanted him was the only deciding factor to signing Jamison (what you said, known in most quarters as "crap").

It's stunningly clear to anyone with an once of common sense or perspective (in other words, anyone not DCMan) what the difference between the two is. I'd try and explain it to you, but why bother? We both know that any attempt to tell you something that contradicts your delusional biases only registers as a dull roar in your ears.

Posted by: kalo_rama | November 10, 2008 12:51 AM | Report abuse

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Posted by: kalo_rama | November 10, 2008 1:46 AM | Report abuse

"Then, I posted a quote by the owner who questioned the trade and doubted if his people did their homework."

Would that be the same owner (Michael Heisley) who, at the time of the trade was actively looking to reduce overhead because the team was on the selling block, but couldn't find any takers because he'd run it into the ground but was asking for top dollar? Yeah, I'd sure take everything he says about business management at face value. (A) The fact that the owner has to sign off on every deal raises the very obvious (to everyone but you) question: Why, if he thought it was such a terrible deal at the time did he sign off on it? Did he not do his "homework"? (B) He didn't start "questioning" anything until after the deal was already in the books and there was a flood of criticism in the media (mostly from opposing Western Conference coaches ticked off that he'd given the Lakers a heads up). His first quote "doubting" the deal didn't come until June, almost 5 months after the fact. Seems to me that if he thought it was such a terrible idea he wouldn't have waited so long to say something. Oh, and it's worth noting that the GM who made the deal still works for him. I mean, if he thought the guy was such an incompetent moron who cost him millions of dollars, why didn't he fire him? Hmmm ...

And since you like quotes so much, here's one:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=aw-heisleygasol060308&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

Heisley has been losing money in Memphis, a small market where the franchise has come to flounder. He tried to sell the team, but no one has reached his asking price. Around the league there are those who believe that Wallace was forced to turn the Gasol trade into a salary dump, and there are league officials, including a close friend, who believe, “There is no way that Chris ever would’ve made that trade on his own.”

Posted by: kalo_rama | November 10, 2008 1:51 AM | Report abuse

The phrases "revisionist history" (one with which you should be familiar) and CYA come to mind regarding his after the fact critical comments.

"The loss was actually by 6 points, and I clearly pointed out that their bigs had limited 3 point success and even Nate Robinson only had one 3 pointer even though he scored 17 points in that game."

In other words, you clearly pointed out that the guys who don't shoot a lot of threes anyway didn't make a lot of threes in this game, while conveniently (but not surprisingly) ignoring the fact that the guys who do make lots of threes made lots more threes in this game and the Wiz did nothing to stop them or slow them down. Seriously, you actually thought pointing out that Zach Randolph "only made one three" supports your "point"? The very fact that he made that one proves how poorly the Wiz were defending the line. Back in the realm of actual facts: The Knicks, on the season, shoot 36% from 3. They shot just under 41% against the Wiz. When a team performs 5% points better than their average against you in any offensive category, the defense in the category has failed.

"Their bigs of course killed the Wiz, with Zach having 22 pts (one 3 pointer), Chandler with 17 pts (no 3's), and David Lee with 13 pts (no 3's)."

Aside from Randolph none of their "bigs" are post players. The majority of Chandler's points came on face up jumpshots from 12 feet or more; only two of his shots were in the post. Only 3 of Lee's 6 made shots actually came from around the basket. Suggesting (as you're clearly attempting to do) that the Knicks were punishing the Wiz in the paint is laughably stupid. It becomes hilariously idiotic when you take into account the fact (disturbing word for you, I know) that the Wiz outrebounded the Knicks by 14, including 42 defensive rebounds. (In case you don't know, those are rebounds on the end of the floor where the Wiz's bigs play defense against the Knicks' bigs.)

And, of course, even if your claims actually had any substance (*cough* cough*), pointing out that the Wiz played poor defense overall (yeah, there's a shock) does nothing to negate the FACT, that their porous 3 pt defense hurt them.

(Just a reminder, when presenting an argument, it's not enough to just offer a different point than the one put forth on the other side. You have to actually offer a contradictory point. Keep that in mind for future reference. It might help you in these little get togethers. (Hope springs eternal.))

Posted by: kalo_rama | November 10, 2008 1:54 AM | Report abuse

I hope Grunfeld is wildly scrambling right now trying to unload several of these players on sucker GMs. There's just no way these guys constitute a team. So why not just put in the young guys that are going to form the core of the future and go into full blown rebuilding mode. There's absolutely no way we can contend for anything this year anyway. We can't beat the Magic (so no SE Division ring). We certainly can't beat the Pistons, Celtics or the Cavs, so no Eastern Conference ring either. So why not do what other teams have done successfully: blow it and start rebuilding with a singular goal. I am pretty sure the fans are by now tired of first-round exits.

Posted by: tundey | November 10, 2008 8:34 AM | Report abuse

Someone needs to take the fall and I think it's going to be Eddie instead of EG. Bad re-signings of players like AB, DSS, and ET (think he was pre-EG) coupled with injuries to the team's two most important players and failure to plan or react is Grunfeld's fault. If we didn't have players like D-Song, DSS, ET, and AD under such long deals, Ernie would have some caproom and EJ wouldn't be so handicapped.

Re-siging AJ and Arenas was a necessity to avoid becoming the Memphis of the West. The other signings above is nearly $20M of cap space for players that are either past their prime or wasted roster space. Drafting by Ernie except NY and McGee has been spotty at best and he's never shown any creativity to free up cap space. When Hughes left and Kwame was traded after 2005, he made long-term commitments to two FA's in AD and D-Song who didn't merit those type of $'s. His re-signing of DSS for 4 years when he had alternatives in Roger Mason plus NY now looks terrible.

Best hope for the Wiz is to move some contracts expiring in 2010 this summer and to hope for a high lottery pick. The lineup next year should be:

AJ
Butler
Haywood
Young
Arenas (if healthy)

Except for McGee and possibly Juan Dixon, everyone else should be traded or released. On the positive side, we'll have those players for at least two more years to rebuild around.

Take away the long-term contracts for ET, AD, D-Song, DSS, and AB, we'd have some flexibility under the cap even with the big $'s paid to AJ and Agent Zero.

Posted by: wizfan89 | November 10, 2008 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Wiz fans, let me break it down for you, the problem is Ernie. Fact is he has been overpaying overrated players:

-Etan Thomas, 6 years, 38 million. You have got to be kidding me. This man is a joke. He is more concerned with politics than about playing ball. He sucks. He does nor belong in the nba. 6 pts and 5 rbs, his season and career stats. Ernie felt he was worth 38 mill. HAHAHA!

-Antawn Jamison: 4 years 50 million. He is 32 years old, undersized pf. enough said

-Gilbert Arenas: 6 years, 111 million. Need I even comment on this move.

IT IS NOT EDDIE JORDANS FAULT!!! Thanks our beloved GM for these outstanding siginigs. What a championship core those 3 are.

Keep it up ernie. You people can blame EJ all you want, fact is our starting center is averaging 6pts and 5rbs. Yet we're paying him over 6 mill a year. That says it all.

Posted by: cj658 | November 10, 2008 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Three consecutive posts with the same old feeble nonsense. Incredible.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 11, 2008 9:04 AM | Report abuse

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