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Hawks 102-98

Well, as a Wiz vet said to me a few minutes ago in the locker room: "Same old (stuff)."

Well said. The Wizards had a chance to win this one but after Al Horford answered Caron Butler's three-pointer with a three-point play, the Wiz couldn't get the ball to Caron Butler or Antawn Jamison and DeShawn Stevenson then missed two free throws with 6.9 seconds to go. That was that.

-The big issue was falling behind by 13 in the first quarter. This team is simply not built to come back like that.

MVP: Mike Bibby. The Hawks guard controlled the tempo, made shots and generally did what good point guards do.

-Turning point: Horford's three-point play wth 12.4 seconds to go was a crusher. The Wiz played decent defense on the play but Marvin Williams found Horford and he scored while drawing a foul on Butler.

-Key stat: The Hawks - the best three-point shooting team in the league - made 11 of 25 long-range attempts and really hit some killers when they needed momentum. Maurice Evans made four of seven including two big ones in the fourth.

-Key Stat II: The Wizards continue to get little out of their guards. Starters Dee Brown and Stevenson combined for eight points. Stevenson was 1 of 9 from the field, missed all ifve of his three-point attempts and missed those big free throws. On the bright side, Antonio Daniels looked pretty good on that knee and finished with 10 points and three assists. Nick Young got yanked in the fourth after giving up a layup to Flip Murray.


By Ivan Carter  |  November 29, 2008; 10:35 PM ET
 
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Comments

Ivan, you need to check with ETap about Juan.

Also, need more juice on why JaTravel was chewed out by ETap for trying to do more than instructed.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 29, 2008 11:20 PM | Report abuse

Give me a player with average talent and a whole lot of attitude, and we'll trash talk like Michael Jordan, Larry Bird, and Kenny Smith, and when we score on you, we gonna holla, "Lets Go Back" cause when you come down the floor wit' the ball and don't score, you gonna get scored on and Trash Talked on and all the while I'm gonna be laughing at ya'.

The Wizs might just learn the Wisdom to what I just said from Ernie Tapscott and if they do, you want have to worry about the Owner, the Players, and certainly not Defense.

I Believe the Wizards will learn the Wisdom of what I just said this year, with Ernie as coach, and I will laugh at all of you that believe it can't be done.

True Wizard Fans, you got to come hard for the Team, or don't come a'tall. You got to be a believer in how it gotta work and not how it is not working.

BulletsFan78, tell me how this current coach and squad can win. All of us can see why it is not working, but how many of us can see how to make it work.

Copied from my earlier Blog.

Ivan, this ain't the same old stuff again. They would have gotton blown out by 20 if it was. Ernie has a new philosophy for this team. It will become evident sooner rather than later.

See why in my earlier Hawks vs Wizards Blog.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | November 30, 2008 12:34 AM | Report abuse

I was at the game. When will they give up on Stevenson as a starter and give Young an opportunity to not only start but to have plays run for him. I watched Antawn roll his eyes when he didn't get the ball from Young in this game. Sorry, but 2 players scoring can't win in this league. Get over it Antawn. I also don't like the quick string Tapscott has the youing guys on. Make a mistake and you are outta there-see Young and McGee tonight. Sorry, but they put together this bunch of inexperienced bench players and they have no patience when they make mistakes. Ridiculous!

Posted by: ptp23 | November 30, 2008 12:39 AM | Report abuse

I was also at the game and Stevenson is completely useless... he will eventually come out of his shooting slump, but even at his top level of play he is a lower-tier 2 guard.

Songalia was good tonight, but when are we just going to realize the season is lost and put Blatche and McGee out there and let them take their lumps.

Posted by: Imjustlikemusiq | November 30, 2008 12:52 AM | Report abuse

I agree-play the young guys and take your lumps. We're not going anywhere this year. Tapscott also yanked Dee Brown a minute into the second half when he gave up a score. Not saying he was doing much but that's just not the way to manage a team. Anyway, AD looks better and I am sure he will be starting very soon. Looking at the next 3 games, I see 3 more losses.

Posted by: ptp23 | November 30, 2008 12:57 AM | Report abuse

I believe the complete quote is:

"Same old (stuff), different coach."

Posted by: kalo_rama | November 30, 2008 12:57 AM | Report abuse

Arenas out exposes how bad Stevenson is on offense and Haywood out exposes how bad Jamison is on D.

At least with Eddie the players had a guy they've won with and have that mental security to know things will eventually turn around.

Firing Eddie just says this is a business only. Anyone is expendable. With Eddie gone they're is no reason for the players to believe this will turn around. No reason to think anything but this is a ship that will just keep sinking deeper and deeper.

Maybe if it keeps getting worse Ernie will finally understand the problem was not the coach, it is the players, and a trade needs to be made.

We've got to get an NBA SG on this team, and someone who can rebound.

Posted by: Darnell1 | November 30, 2008 1:13 AM | Report abuse

For God's sake put DeShawn on the bench....what exactly is he out on the court for? He can't defend to save his life, and he takes a ton of shots and cant make one to save his life.

Nothing against the guy but I think it's just boneheaded to keep him as a starter and give him a ton of minutes just because he's a 'veteran'. He's playing like a high schooler right now, and takes a bunch of shots and can't score.

Nick Young maybe a rookie but him out on the floor adds instant offense to the starting 5 and will open things up more for Butler and Jamison as well as for McGee. The line up to go with is McGee, Jamison, Caron, Young and Daniels.

Stevenson is just killing us.

Posted by: insanity999 | November 30, 2008 1:17 AM | Report abuse

I remember a time last season when the Wizards actually played better without Gilbert Arenas. They became a more defensive-minded team, and also had good ball movement and relatively good shot selection from various spots on the court. This season, they've not only lost much of their defensive capacity, but they've forgotten how to score. In the 4th quarter of the game against the Hawks, at one point Deshawn Stevenson made a strong drive to the hoop and tied the game. But after that, I don't recall seeing him drive once to the hoop.

I choose not to think that these players are so ignorant that they don't know what works and what doesn't. I choose to think that they don't want to commit to giving the type of effort that they've given in the past. As Mr. Barkley says, all it'll get them is a visit to the first round of the Playoffs, and no further.

Posted by: satchmore | November 30, 2008 1:42 AM | Report abuse

LarryInClintonMD.

BulletsFan78, tell me how this current coach and squad can win. All of us can see why it is not working, but how many of us can see how to make it work.

I am sorry to disappoint you, I can live with AJ at SF, CB at SG, AB at PF, JM at C, but without a true point guard who will get the players the ball at the right time, I do not see this team winning many games. Look at Boston, Cleveland, LA, Phoenix, Houston and the other teams that have a chance to win a championship they all have average point guards (other then Nash who is a star) that just play the position the right way. They need to make a trade for a real point guard, NY got Chris Duhon and Cleveland got Mo Williams last year and with the amount of money this team could have saved by not giving Gil his new contract they could have signed someone. Maybe there is a backup out there a team will trade for Nick Young? I wish I could sound more positive but I call it like I see it.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | November 30, 2008 1:48 AM | Report abuse

bulletsfan78 are you kidding me...? A backup pg for Nick Young? This guy is going to be a 20 point scorer in this league very soon, you don't trade him for a backup pg!

What you do is put Stevenson on the second unit (he may actually re-learn how to shoot/score playing against second stringers for a while) and insert Young into the line up. In my opinion this will open up more looks for everyone since he's a scoring threat and they can't double down on CB and AJ as much...Daniels is a pretty solid pg who can pass the ball well when healthy.

They just need to string together a few wins to turn things around and get more confidence. Tapscott needs to do a better job of clock management and call timeouts to try to prevent big runs by the other team as much as possible.

Posted by: insanity999 | November 30, 2008 2:17 AM | Report abuse

"Arenas out exposes how bad Stevenson is on offense and Haywood out exposes how bad Jamison is on D.

Posted by: Darnell1 | November 30, 2008 1:13 AM "

Why do people keep talking about Gilby when he's been a "has been" for the past 2 seasons?

Check the stats.

DS averaged 11.2 pts last season without Gilby in the lineup, which matches what he averaged with Gilby in the lineup two seasons prior to that.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/stats?playerId=808

What IS impacting DS compared to last season is the loss of Mason, the erosion of AD's play (he makes 6.2 mil this season), and the inconsistent use/impact of Juan, DB, and NY.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/stats?playerId=183

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 30, 2008 8:47 AM | Report abuse

"I was at the game. When will they give up on Stevenson as a starter and give Young an opportunity to not only start but to have plays run for him. I watched Antawn roll his eyes when he didn't get the ball from Young in this game. Sorry, but 2 players scoring can't win in this league. Get over it Antawn. I also don't like the quick string Tapscott has the youing guys on. Make a mistake and you are outta there-see Young and McGee tonight. Sorry, but they put together this bunch of inexperienced bench players and they have no patience when they make mistakes. Ridiculous!

Posted by: ptp23 | November 30, 2008 12:39 AM "

MeTawn will be MeTawn. He wants the ball, and doesn't do D.

Barkley said something funny. He said Les BouleS basically have 3 all stars that essentially do the same thing.

I think Les BouleS fans should have almost zero expectations from ETap.

Be reminded he's just holding the fort for this season until they can find a more permanent coach.

Don't be fooled into thinking this team has any playoff aspirations.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 30, 2008 8:52 AM | Report abuse

insanity999

The problem is AJ is not a PF and since he does not play any D or rebound in the paint they need to move him to SF. I think CB could play the 2 guard spot and since CB, GA and AJ have long term contracts I think it would be easier to trade NY because he is the only player on this team that has any value and the contracts would match up with a good backup PG.

Get a true PG and let Gil watch someone who plays the position the right way which is to pass first not just run down the court and throw up a shot 25 times a game. Look at the teams that win championships if you do not believe me.

Take the Bulls as an example: Yes, MJ was the greatest basketball player of all time but they had a true PG Paxson, BJ Armstrong who passed the ball and could hit a jump shot, a real PF in Rodman who played D and could rebound, an average center Cartwright who rebounded and a SF Pippin who could score and make his own shots. Do I need to go on and give the lineups of other past champions?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | November 30, 2008 9:07 AM | Report abuse

Before anyone stars singing Songaila's praises, Al Horford had 19 points, 13 rebounds and 6 assists while shooting 70% from the field. I can't imagine it would have been that easy with McGee in there to shoot over. Yes, I watched the game and Mcgee struggled but I think we gave up on him too soon. He missed some defensive assignments and gave up some layups but Songaila offers NO D.

Posted by: original_mark | November 30, 2008 9:40 AM | Report abuse

" I can't feel my hands!"
-DeShawn Stevenson, 1 for 9

Posted by: positiveforce | November 30, 2008 10:13 AM | Report abuse

It's all about Antawn Jamison...Period. AJ will score points for you, but will allow the opposing team to score just as many. His weakness as we all know, is he plays no DEFENSE whatsoever. He use all his hustle plays on the offensive side of the court. Not many Offensive Rebounds or Assist, though.

Jamison does have good leadership qualities and character in the locker room and off the court. Good with media as well.

The big thing the Wizards have is Jamison's replacement can either be Andray Blatche or McGuire. Though Blatche will score more points, McGuire will score less points, but they both can score. Blatche and McGuire will give us Defensive rebounds, block shots and most of all hustle on Defense. They will get in foul trouble very early in game but will send a message to the opposing team that the opposing team will have to a hard foul when entering the paint. Jamison, will let a player fly right by day-in-and-day-out (remember Lebron in playoffs).

Gilbert will be very hurt with the Jamison trade as he would not sign unless Jamison stayed onboard. Gil will have to get over it personally as we move forward as a team especially if he want to get out the first round of the playoffs.

I know GM Grunsfeld have a very good eye for talent as he built this team to playoff contention. However, Grunsfeld see his mistake that he didn't build enough to get pass the first round of the playoffs.

Posted by: clifton3 | November 30, 2008 10:22 AM | Report abuse

Different coach, similar coaching, similar result.

Hmmm, isn't it obvious to EG and Taps that we have a problem in the backcourt?

Why can't EG sign a tall PG who can play D to a ten day contract. There are plenty of players who are hungry enough out there to want to play tough D.

Taps needs to bench DeS. He could go AD, CB, AJ, AB and JM or AD, NY, AJ, CB and JM.

TAPS ratings so far:

game 1 - A
game 2 - B
game 3 - C
game 4 - ?

The players were unmotivated in the first 20 minutes of the game. As EG says every once in awhile, that was unacceptable.

Posted by: Izman | November 30, 2008 10:26 AM | Report abuse

Time for a new GM. Ernie's a mess.

Posted by: SteveC28 | November 30, 2008 11:18 AM | Report abuse

I have to disagree with Ivan, AD does not look good.
He can't get to the basket, and Mike Bibby made him look lost plenty of times last night. At crunch time when you need your best on ball defenders he just ain't it, I would have preferred to see Dee Brown at the end...
Also, both AJ and CB looked lost on defense constantly leaving Evans or Williams with wide open looks.
AB seems to be getting after the ball more than anyone else, I like his progression.
And it needs to be mentioned that Darius had a great game last night, obviously no one expects that night in and night out, but he had a good one last night.

Posted by: boc772000 | November 30, 2008 11:27 AM | Report abuse

TAP will eventually lose these players if they continue to lose even more than EJ would have WHY? this squad had a history with Jordan they had been through winning and losing streaks.They had faith that EJ had a plan but with ETAP not so much Eddie Jordan had a grasp of x's and o's and with ETAP that remains to be seen,but enough of bashing ETAP the fault of this whole mess lies with Ernie Grunfeld he has mismanaged the cap overcompensated AJ and GA let Roger Mason get away(one of the dumbest moves ever) and will more than likely be the reason that the fan base will start eroding, quickly listen i don't claim to know all the ins and outs of the NBA but having been a fan of this franchise since the days of Earl Monroe and Wes Unseld this team is headed for trouble.Grunfeld wants to be known as the smartest guy in the room and he is not,not by a long shot. He has made two moves during his tenure that speak volumes about his scouting and basketball acumen the Pecherov signing: a 6-11 3pt shooter who can't shoot the three and can't rebound, and he was given an extension? PLEASE!!! SECOND: The resigning of Jamison and Arenas,why not let them test the market? not one team would have offered Arenas even close to what we signed him for, and Jamison while i love his character, again we overpaid for a 6-9 player who lacks a low post game. We are in for a long and painfull year.

Posted by: dargregmag | November 30, 2008 11:52 AM | Report abuse

They needed to get a coach from the outside with a different perspective instead of hiring from within and expecting different results. I questioned the promotion of an assistant coach who talked big but never coached before in the NBA! Besides, what past experience was he going to rely on? We are seeing that he is relying on the past experience of Eddie Jordan when he is stressed and I doubt that he will have any other experience to fall back on for the rest of the season. The players all ready feel it and the fans are already seeing it! Even if we blow up the team now and start dumping salaries via trades or whatever, no "Super Star" free agents will ever come here due to the present ownership and coaches. Play the youths and hope that eventually they will have enough talent to be in the current Atlanta's level as they compete for the "Last" playoff spot. The Wizard's time of opportunity with Gilbert, Caron and Jamison has past and gone! Even when Gilbert is back, this season is already spiraling out of control and will just foster a losing mentality unless they are taught to just play defense and try to hold opponents to less than 100 points per game. But not with this new inexperienced coach!

Posted by: JohnWWW | November 30, 2008 12:12 PM | Report abuse

When you look at the box score from last night, that same consistent theme that many of you mention is there again..perimeter defense and open shots. We are not getting killed inside. Even in the Orlando game, DH was dominant but no more than he is every night. He had 32 and 21 in the next game.

My point is, and this is a tough one to solve, but it all has to do with defense. CB is very good offensively, and this team needs his offense and AJs, but these guys are not quick enough to guard 3 and 4s, much less 2 and 3 (positions). When your opponent is consistently shooting 46-52% from the floor and over 33% from 3 pt. range and getting as many of those shots as they want, there is a fundamental problem.

We have outrebounded our opponents the past two games (a drastic improvement over earlier games), our assists are better on offense, and our TOs aren't bad. But, our shooting % is still in the low 40s because we shoot contested shots from the outside too much. We took more shots than Atlanta last night, but they scored more baskets (many more 3 pointers).

Solutions:

PG - AD back to the starting job with a limit of 30 min (can't play 38 like last night w/o injuries)
SG - NY to start (bad defense but will provide offense at the beginning of the game, our major problem is falling behind)
SF - CB, need his scoring but really needs to try to stay in front of his man and stop gambling on D constantly (also better chance to guard a 3, quickness-wise, than a 2)
PF - AJ, need his scoring and rebounding, but stay in front of his man
C - JM, need his shotblocking inside to make up for dribble penetration that we know will happen.
None of these folks should play more than 30 min, since we know that CB, AJ, and AD are going to breakdown if they play this much.
Also, AB, DSong, and DMac need consistent minutes in the 20-25 range. Stop worrying about having both AJ and CB in the lineup all the time, they give up as many points as they score. I like a 2nd unit, like:
JM, AB at center; AB, DSong, DMac at PF; DMac, Dsong, DS at SF; DS, JD at SG, and DS, DB at PG.

I believe there are many combinations that could emphasize defense and rebounding - JM, AB, DM, DS, and DB, offense - JM, AJ, CB, NY, and AD, and various looks based on the other team's lineup in between.

It's up to ETap to be more creative in using the pieces he has. He has displayed better substitution patterns than EJ, but he has also shown a tendency to drift back to the EJ model in the last game or two.

R

Posted by: faninAlex | November 30, 2008 12:28 PM | Report abuse

"not one team would have offered Arenas even close to what we signed him for"

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/wizardsinsider/2008/07/wiz_offer_arenas_the_max_but_h.html

Sorry dagrag. wishful thinking. Arenas would have been in golden state in a heartbeat.

Posted by: crs-one | November 30, 2008 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Marlbury, Malbury, Malbury.....

Ivan please ask Tabscott what is the deal with him and McGee? He was chewing him out like he was a 7 year vet. What's the deal?

Glad to see Tabscott is giving AB minutes. Juan should be getting some of Stevenson's minutes.

Stevenson needs to slide to the point guard if they are not going to bench him. NY needs to be starting now.

Posted by: BulletsFever | November 30, 2008 1:01 PM | Report abuse

check out Chris Duhon's stats....we need a true point guard

http://www.nba.com/games/20081129/GSWNYK/boxscore.html

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | November 30, 2008 1:21 PM | Report abuse

I would love Devin Harris too....

http://www.nba.com/games/20081129/NJNUTA/boxscore.html

Why do the Wizards waste second round picks on 7 foot 200 lbs guys who shot 3s when they need a point guard who can get them more then 3 assits per game?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | November 30, 2008 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Yeah I am on board with the idea of starting Blatche at PF. Caron may not be ideal at SG, but he'd be better than DeShawn, and IMO we need more inside presence up front which Blatche would give us.

McGee, Blatche, Jamison, Caron, Daniels


Daniels gives you a ball handler at pg who can distribute and let Caron play off the ball. The lineup gives us matchup problems for other teams... twin towers at C and PF, Jamison can utilize his size at SF to help on the boards, Caron can post up smaller SGs. Our perimeter defense would not be as quick but has size and can play a more physical style, and they'd be backed up by athletic shot blockers in Blatche and McGee.

Off the bench we can come in with Young for McGee (sliding Blatche to C, Jamison to PF, Caron to SF) for an instant quicker more offensive unit.

Young would be the 6th man, offense off the bench. IMO McGuire and Dixon should round out the top 8 as our main defensive/offensive subs. The rest of the bench would include Etan, Songaila, Pecherov, DeShawn and Dee, from which we can pick our +2 on a game by game basis.

Posted by: Darnell1 | November 30, 2008 3:04 PM | Report abuse

I still can't believe we gave away our 2nd round pick this year for cash.

Posted by: Darnell1 | November 30, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse

"Before anyone stars singing Songaila's praises, Al Horford had 19 points, 13 rebounds and 6 assists while shooting 70% from the field. "

Before anyone starts massaging the stats as an excuse to kick dirt on Songaila's grave, Al Horford didn't put up those numbers against Songaila alone. None of the Wizards big men were able to handle him.

Posted by: kalo_rama | November 30, 2008 3:18 PM | Report abuse

"Ivan please ask Tabscott what is the deal with him and McGee? He was chewing him out like he was a 7 year vet. What's the deal?"

The deal is he's a rookie and rookies sometimes need chewing out.

Posted by: kalo_rama | November 30, 2008 3:20 PM | Report abuse

"The big thing the Wizards have is Jamison's replacement can either be Andray Blatche or McGuire. Though Blatche will score more points, McGuire will score less points, but they both can score."

McGuire has done nothing this season to support the supposition that he can be a meaningful NBA scorer. Blatche has the skills but lacks th consistency and discipline.

Posted by: kalo_rama | November 30, 2008 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Can anybody in this town win? Oh yeah, I guess there is hockey. No clue about the game, but it looks like I better start learning because all of our other teams are in trouble.

Posted by: BulletsFever | November 30, 2008 5:10 PM | Report abuse

We're putrid!! What happened to MeShawn? He can't hit a shot.

This is deeply embarrassing for us fans. It's so mortifying I wore a paper bag over my head for last night's game -- and I was in my own living room!!!

Someone tell me why EG's still the GM. Someone get a bugler who knows how to play "Taps." Taps, get it?

Posted by: shovetheplanet | November 30, 2008 6:17 PM | Report abuse

dee brown starts and plays like 4 minutes and sits for the rest of the half. Start of the second half and he is back on the court for 3 more minutes. Why bothering have him start the second half when its obvious he isnt going to play.

Posted by: riskus | November 30, 2008 7:09 PM | Report abuse

"The deal is he's a rookie and rookies sometimes need chewing out.

Posted by: kalo_rama | November 30, 2008 3:20 PM "

It'll be interesting whether ETap will share the wealth with MeTawn, MeShawn, Gilby, et all, when they f#ck up, which will be often.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 30, 2008 9:24 PM | Report abuse

Same result...but not exactly the same game management and we clearly had an opportunity to win at the end.

Keep up the ignorance concerning the GM. Pick out one or two "errors" and discount the 10 things he has done really well including one of the great all-time lopsided trades in OUR favor, with which we used to always used to be on the opposite end.

Miami won the title a couple of years ago, but was pretty pathetic last year due to their injuries. We're in the same boat this year! Keep teaching, communicating, managing, and developing this team the way you are ET! Kudos thus far!

-Rob P

Posted by: rphilli721 | November 30, 2008 11:03 PM | Report abuse

"Miami won the title a couple of years ago, but was pretty pathetic last year due to their injuries. We're in the same boat this year! Keep teaching, communicating, managing, and developing this team the way you are ET! Kudos thus far!

-Rob P

Posted by: rphilli721 | November 30, 2008 11:03 PM "

Miami was the worst team in b-ball last season because they shipped Shaq out, cut ties with other guys (Antoine Walker, Gary Payton, Zo, Kapono, Posey, and JWill), coaching change, and DWade got hurt.

In contrast, Les BouleS stuck with more of the same, paid 50 mil to a 32 year old tweener who doesn't play D, and overpaid their injured "franchise player" max money.

No comparison.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 30, 2008 11:17 PM | Report abuse

Keep up the ignorance concerning the GM. Pick out one or two "errors" and discount the 10 things he has done really well including one of the great all-time lopsided trades in OUR favor, with which we used to always use to be on the opposite end.

It is more like the ten things he did wrong and the two he did right! I agree with you DC_MAN88, he overpaid two guys who do not have a position on a basketball court. AJ is not a PF and Gil is not a PG and neither one can play any defense. When the GM ties up all of the team’s money on two losers especially when the owner will not go over the cap that is a big mistake not an error.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | December 1, 2008 1:09 AM | Report abuse

Great draft pick by EG after all:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/recap?gameId=281130021

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | December 1, 2008 8:16 AM | Report abuse

“2004: Washington Wizards trade Jerry Stackhouse, Christian Laetner, and the draft rights of Devin Harris to the Dallas Mavericks for Antawn Jamison.

This trade is the reason the Wizards are as bad as they are. A team can not win in the NBA without a true point guard. If AJ could not make it in Dallas where they never play D, what does that tell you?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | December 1, 2008 9:59 AM | Report abuse

What short, selective memories we have. Gil bashing when Gil is out? wow! Seems like he's gonna be the culprit whether he even suits up or not.
Also, I don't have to massage stats to kick dirt on Songaila. Stats are stats. Ride him all you want but he's below average. Even Ruffin had a good game or two. If we're counting on Darius Songaila to provide us with anything but pats on the back to other DECENT players, we're in trouble. He's a 12th man on a good team. On a bad team like ours, he should be a 9th or 10th man...in a 8 man rotation.

Posted by: original_mark | December 1, 2008 10:14 AM | Report abuse

Nick Young got yanked for giving up a layup and JM ot yanked for not playing aggressive post defense, too.
Yanking is Eddie Jordan's style of teaching. It's what got him fired, Tapscott. Let the young guys play through mistakes. Its not like we're going anywhere this year.

Posted by: original_mark | December 1, 2008 10:16 AM | Report abuse

honestly
dee brown is horrible
stevenson is horrible
all the young guys are horrible

the starting line up should be
pg. antonio daniels (dixon)
sg. nick young
sf. caron butler
pf. antawn jamison
c. javale/andray

no one else should even be allowed to play maybe except for songaila

no one can make a single open shot.

we wont get out of this "slump" unless we get players who actually know how to shoot besides butler, jamison, and young.

Posted by: intothefreedom | December 1, 2008 10:19 AM | Report abuse

I also don't like the quick string Tapscott has the youing guys on. Make a mistake and you are outta there-see Young and McGee tonight. Sorry, but they put together this bunch of inexperienced bench players and they have no patience when they make mistakes. Ridiculous!
__________________________________________

I thought we were going to get away from that when Tapscott took over. Looks like vintage EJ

Posted by: browneri | December 1, 2008 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Why do people keep talking about Gilby when he's been a "has been" for the past 2 seasons?

Check the stats.

DS averaged 11.2 pts last season without Gilby in the lineup, which matches what he averaged with Gilby in the lineup two seasons prior to that.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/stats?playerId=808

What IS impacting DS compared to last season is the loss of Mason, the erosion of AD's play (he makes 6.2 mil this season), and the inconsistent use/impact of Juan, DB, and NY.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/stats?playerId=183

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 30, 2008 8:47 AM


owned. f(_)ck a bunch of deshawn haters.
www.wizardsextreme.com

Posted by: prescrunk | December 1, 2008 11:17 AM | Report abuse

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