Thomas Practices, Jordan Still Unhappy

The Wizards finished practice a short while ago. The good news is that center EtanThomas, who missed last night's loss with a sprained ankle, practiced and could be good to go tomorrow night against the Knicks.

Coach Eddie Jordan said he was losing patience with some of his veteran players following the 112-104 OT loss at Milwaukee last night. Today, he expanded on those thoughts.

Specifically, Jordan talked about the "trend" of his second-team players outperforming his starters, something that I blogged heavily about during training camp and the preseason.

If that trend continues, change could be coming with guys like Juan Dixon, Nick Young and JaVale McGee seeing more playing time.

"I was a little bit incorrect in saying we've been seeing a trend the last two games [after last night's loss], we've been seeing a trend since the beginning of training camp actually," Jordan said. "What we've been saying is that the second unit has been very, very competitive against the white team, against the starters in camp, in preseason, and it's showing up in real games. So, that's the trend."

So, is he considering changes?

Jordan: "Consideration is under evaluation. Does that make sense? However, patience is a virtue and patience is a key. I've always said that patience is when you've had enough but you've got to hold on a little longer. Everybody can bail out when you've had enough, but you've got to hold on a little bit longer. We'll see."



By Ivan Carter |  November 6, 2008; 2:25 PM ET
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Yo they need to fire Eddie Jordan. If I see one more dribble hand off at the three point line I'm gonna kill somebody. They are running around for no reason before they even make a play towards the basket. Maybe that's why Jamison thinks he's a jump shooter when he can't even shoot.

Posted by: mepalmeryoshi | November 6, 2008 2:33 PM

No Eddie, that does not make sense. "Consideration is under evaluation??" I am the only one who doesn't follow his almost incoherent babbling? How long do we "hold on" for? 0 and 5? 0 and 7?

It's really not that hard! Play the players who are performing at a higher level. Leave the players in who have gotten us back in to and given us a lead in the game.

And I have to say the fact the Etan will be back is not taken as good news. McGee needs a lot more minutes; he is by far the best center on the team.

Posted by: tmilt27@aol.com | November 6, 2008 2:34 PM

And it's not like we don't have players. With the players we have we should be kicking bad teams butts. Get McDyess.

Posted by: mepalmeryoshi | November 6, 2008 2:34 PM

The starting 5 should be - Blatche Caron Dixon Young and McGee.

Screw Jamison. I hate him.

Young is our only closer. JAMISON SUCKS as a closer. Caron's okay but he turned it over last night cuz he can't dribble that well. Just give Nick the ball and get out the way.

Posted by: mepalmeryoshi | November 6, 2008 2:38 PM

I am not a fan of Eddie's but I have to agree that there is a time for patience and we have to continue in that vein for a while. Team chemistry is important; people know their place in the pecking order. If it is changed based on the results of three games then there is no trust by the players benched or the players who replace them and see what is happening. You have to reward play but you also to recognize past accomplishments. It is without a doubt that AD is past it but there is not much on the bench (including Dee Brown) that is ready. As for DS he needs to be honored and trusted based on his history. The center position will be better served by McGee getting minutes but he is a rookie and needs to brought along on that basis. When Gil gets back next month it will be HIS team again and things will get better. No hurry to blow it up now. And I repeat, I am not a fan of EJ's.

Posted by: h20law2000 | November 6, 2008 3:23 PM

Patience isn't a long-term strategy or short-term game plan.

We know Eddie doesn't spend much time developing young talent.

But what exactly is he trying to accomplish and how is he doing to try to achieve it? For example, he's implementing a Princeton offense in order to ______. He should have 3 or 4 objectives to get the team on the right track that he makes "feel right" for everyone.

As of now, he's lost AB, and is on the way to 10 under .500 by Xmas (even without an injury to CB and AJ, which is likely given their minutes).

Posted by: Izman | November 6, 2008 3:35 PM

If EJ keeps giving minutes to underperforming "starters" what kind of message is he sending to the reserves? Especially when he keeps saying playing time will be determine by effort in practice. Yet these young guys are working hard in practice and showing up in games and they still can't get enough PT. So we keep losing games and players are getting mixed messages. Bench these losers until they start showing they deserve the time.

Posted by: tundey | November 6, 2008 3:56 PM

Recognize past achievements? We are not saying cut anybody loose or put them in permanent dog house. We are just saying be consistent when you say PT is determine by how you practice and play. The reserves have been kicking the starters' butts since the start of training camp. How much longer can they keep bringing it in practice when they are not rewarded with PT? Blatche allowed Kwame 3 eary baskets and he got banished to the bench. Caron turned it over in a crucial situation and nothing happens. That's how you breed discontent in your locker room.

Posted by: tundey | November 6, 2008 3:59 PM

First EJ was complaining about the bench warmers.

Now he's complaining about the starters.

Next he'll complain that the cheerleaders are too fat.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 6, 2008 4:13 PM

First, I will say that I've BEEN an Eddie fan in the past. He got a lot out of a team last year and took them as far as anyone could have expected. This year I have been extremly disappointed in his decision to continue to play vets who are underserving of PT (AD, D-Song, DSS). Each has been outplayed by either their backup or an alternative. I don't include Etan in this discussion because he wasn't expected to start and played reasonably well the 1st two games.

NY, McGee, D-Mac, and Dixon have shown both in practice and games that they have the ability and desire to play at a higher level than the starter. McGee may be raw, but his attitude and effort are great. I see in him a player who will be a top flight starting bigman in 3-4 years if properly developed. NY and Dixon are simply a better guard combo than AD and DSS.

IF EDDIE ISN'T READY TO MAKE CHANGES in EITHER STARTERS OR PT, he needs to be replaced ASAP. I think he's losing his team by voicing his displeasure with the veterans. It's only a matter of time before they completely tune him out. He has himself to blame for even allowing the Bucks to get back in the game last night when he took out McGee, NY, and Dixon.

Posted by: wizfan89 | November 6, 2008 4:16 PM

Now that I saw that statement, it looks like it will still be that sorry starting five of AD, Stevenson, Etan, CB and AJ. I am glad Etan is alright, but now he is only going to take away McGee's and AB's minutes.

Eddie should start NY and McGee and let Etan come in with the second unit. However I know that is not going to happen so I guess I will get ready for the Knicks to run that starting 5 into the ground and get up 20 before EJ's inserts his second unit of "smallball" with Songalia at the "5".

I am telling you, Eddie is one stubborn dude. I do not see him changing anything he did this last game as far as sub's are called. I think Ernie is going to have to make a little visit to Eddie before the game like he had to do the year before last when they were playing the Cav's and Eddie was not playing Haywood.

If the same results happen like in the Bucks game, Eddie better be ready for some serious Boo's coming from the home crowd. People know what is going on and we are not dumb. Man, I hope Eddie sees the light soon because overall I still want him here as coach..........

Posted by: BulletsFever | November 6, 2008 5:03 PM

Thanks for the update. You just saved me $200 in tickets for tomorrow night. We've been thinking about going, and I was leaning towards going...when I thought he might at least start Nick Young. If it's going to be the same sorry, old story, I'll watch from my couch, thank you very much!

Posted by: lindaloulubbock | November 6, 2008 5:07 PM

Someone tell me why Dee Brown is not an upgrade over Antonio Daniels? Brown is faster, has deeper range on his jumper and runs the break at a quicker tempo.
The team needs a true floor general while it waits for Gil so let's give Dee a spot start and see how it works.

Maybe it'll piss AD off and make him work harder. I still say start DeShawn and bring Nick off the bench. He's tougher to match up with that way...

Posted by: elfreako | November 6, 2008 6:35 PM

Eddie Jordan: 5 seasons, 4 playoff appearances.

Before Eddie: 15 seasons, 1 playoff

Posted by: chinatown | November 6, 2008 6:57 PM

Changing the starting lineup is rearranging the deck chairs while the iceberg splits the ship in two. If Young and Dixon are starting, where will the bench scoring come from? Daniels? Stevenson? If you think Stevenson looks bad now, wait until you see him forced to try and get a shot off without Jamison or Butler on the floor to distract the defense. If change is needed, keep the lineup the same but adjust the minutes. Switching the roster around won't cover up the glaring holes in the team's makeup.

Posted by: kalo_rama | November 6, 2008 8:47 PM

If change is needed, keep the lineup the same but adjust the minutes. Switching the roster around won't cover up the glaring holes in the team's makeup.

Posted by: kalo_rama | November 6, 2008 8:47 PM

Kal - A change is needed because that starting 5 you want to keep the same keeps getting routed and by time the 2nd quarter comes around the Wiz are 20 points down.

Sliding NY in for AD and McGee for Etan should balance out the scoring on the 1st and 2nd units. NY will open up the game for Caron and AJ.

Running Etan or AB at 5 on the 2nd unit will work and Juan can cover for AD's quickly declining skills. AD or Dee Brown can run the 1 on the 2nd unit.

As you can see from all of the posts and that bone head coaching display yesterday from EJ, it is obvious EJ does not know how to adjust minutes as you suggested.

The next best thing to try is to "tweak" the lineups for the 1st and 2nd units and create more balance. Right now all of our scoring is coming from the 2nd unit.

Posted by: BulletsFever | November 6, 2008 9:25 PM

"A change is needed because that starting 5 you want to keep the same..."

The starting 5 I want to keep the same includes at least one guy who hasn't played a game all season. There is no starting five with the combo of players the Wiz have available to them that's going to make this team much better. They're too short on talent, bodies, and experience. At the risk of stating what should be pretty obvious, part of the reason the bench has had the relative success they have is because they're playing mostly against backups or coming off the bench fresh against starters who've already burned some energy on the floor. They're going to face a completely different level of competition as starters.

"Sliding NY in for AD and McGee for Etan should balance out the scoring on the 1st and 2nd units."

Taking the best scorer off the bench and replacing him with a guy who can't score isn't "balancing out the scoring" It's front loading the lineup and leaving the bench with an empty gun.

"As you can see from all of the posts..."

The only thing I see from all the posts is the same pissing and moaning I always see.

Posted by: kalo_rama | November 6, 2008 9:37 PM

Well I agree w/ Eddie... with his frustration w/ the situation, w/ calling guys out and giving them notice that they can't rest on past and changes are being considered, and that you don't want to overreact... we've only played a couple games with an erratic early schedule.

At the same time... watching these first couple games it is becoming apparent we may be witnessing a changing of the guard at SG, as well as possibly center.

DeShawn just has not played well. Nick Young on the other hand has played very well. And with our top scorer Arenas out, we may need to consider giving Nick a larger role and moving him up to the starting position.

I'd be interested in seeing how we look with Young and Dixon starting with Caron, Antawn and Etan... Come off the bench with Blatche, Songaila, McGuire, Stevenson and Daniels... as well as ever increasing pt for McGee.

Posted by: Darnell1 | November 6, 2008 11:56 PM

bench Deshawn, start NY. Bench Etan, start JM. This puts experience on the second unit (ET and Deshawn) and provides a 3rd scoring option to the starters. This should make CB and AJ more effective because opponents won't be able to double or trap anyone. As far as bench scoring, we'll have Juan off the bench in the 6th man role and AB at pf going against backups. Not a lot of teams have great bench scoring and given EJ's propensity to play guys 40+ minutes per game, we only need to hope that the bench (which is comprised of mostly defensive minded players in McGuire, Etan, Deshawn, Dee) can keep the games close and concentrate on defense for 8-10 minutes a game.

Posted by: original_mark | November 7, 2008 7:19 AM

"Sliding NY in for AD and McGee for Etan should balance out the scoring on the 1st and 2nd units."

Taking the best scorer off the bench and replacing him with a guy who can't score isn't "balancing out the scoring" It's front loading the lineup and leaving the bench with an empty gun.

Posted by: kalo_rama | November 6, 2008 9:37 PM

Kal - The name of the game is starting your "best" five. Not holding one or two (NY and McGee)on the bench so you can have two bullets left in your "gun" vs. none.

What is the since in bringing a "not empty gun" (NY and McGee coming off of the bench) into a gunfight where you are out gunned (20 point downs because of that weak starting five) off of the break?

And what is wrong with switching NY for AD, not Stevenson? You would still have Juan there on the second unit making up for AD's lack of scoring once they are paired together. You would slide Stevenson over to the point on the first unit and both he and NY could bring the ball up and set the offense. So how is that not balanced?

Teams are loading up on CB and AJ because we have NOTHING coming from the backcourt. As for the "5" change, I much rather have AB playing the "5" on the second unit then McGee. As I have posted before, McGee is more disciplined then AB; so he would do just what EJ and the vets ask him (i.e. block shots, rebound and play good "d") to do playing with the 1st unit.

As for AB, AB's run and gun style would work better on the 2nd unit because as you said he would be playing against team's backup's and starters who are burned out looking for a blow. AB might then be able to build some confidence up while getting minutes there.

The name of the game is fielding your best "5". We are not the Spurs where we can "hold" people on the bench to be our scorers on our second units. The Wiz are not that good. They have to start games with their best five and then worry about scoring off of the bench later.

Posted by: BulletsFever | November 7, 2008 8:34 AM

mepalmeryoshi- you're a real dbag.

Posted by: Barno1 | November 7, 2008 10:55 AM

Minus Agent Zero, NY has to be a starter or Caron and AJ will continue to be doubled on every possession. AD is too old and slow to create open shots as a PG. I'm all for starting NY with DSS sliding to the PG. As a 4th option on offense, DSS will be better.

McGee is coachable and will listen to the vets. Unlike AB, he actually goes up strong and draws fouls under the basket. He'll also have the benefit of just focusing on defense and rebounding. If he scores 6 points a game on follows but blocks or deters easy layups, we'll be much better off to start the game.

Also, Eddie can keep either AJ or Caron in the game with the 2nd unit to provide some continuity and scoring. If Juan takes a few more shots with NY starting, I don't see that as a problem since he's a scorer. AD actually might keep the 2nd unit from playing too out of control because he can only walk the ball upcourt.

I disagree with staying the course too long into the season. It's not like we have many winnable games this month except NY (twice) and Miami (twice). We don't have the talent currently to even compete against Atlanta so moves need to be made before the team starts off 0-7.

Posted by: wizfan89 | November 7, 2008 11:45 AM

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