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Tuesday Update: Butler Gets Goggles

A few notes after today's practice:

-Caron Butler, who received a nasty gash over his left eye in Orlando Tuesday night, practiced and tried several pair of eye goggles in order to protect that area just above his eye. He eventually settled on a pair of Oakleys.

Because the cut was so close to the eye, stitches could not be applied so doctors used glue instead. Butler, who did not practice yesterday, said the swelling has gone down considerably and feels that he's good to go tomorrow night. The cut looks pretty nasty, almost like the kind you see on a boxer after a long bout.

-Antonio Daniels was out again due to right knee soreness and remains day-to-day. He was on a stationary bike throughout practice. He has not ruled himself out for tomorrow night's game against Utah, but it's pretty obvious that he's still not right. Daniels was walking with a pronounced limp and had an ice pack strapped to his knee. Tests revealed no serious damage so now it's a matter of Daniels feeling comfortable enough to get back out there. Either way, Juan Dixon will make his second straight start.

-If players on this team are freaking out over the rough start, they are hiding it well. Today's practice was spirited and guys appear to be in a good frame of mind. The quote of day came from Butler, a team captain and general optimist (when you've become a two-time NBA all-star and major millionare after spending your teenage years in and out of detention facilities, I would imagine that one would be an optimist and Caron certainly is that).

Is this team at the point where it fears that the season is lost?

Butler: "Nah. There are too many games left. If we were at this point a month from now and I'm standing here talking about being 0-20, I couldn't be as positive as I am right now. Right now, we're cool. 0-20? Yeah, I'm in Tahiti."

By Ivan Carter  |  November 11, 2008; 2:41 PM ET
 
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"-If players on this team are freaking out over the rough start, they are hiding it well. Today's practice was spirited and guys appear to be in a good frame of mind. The quote of day came from Butler, a team captain and general optimist (when you've become a two-time NBA all-star and major millionare after spending your teenage years in and out of detention facilities, I would imagine that one would be an optimist and Caron certainly is that)."

Why would they freak out?

Their guaranteed pay checks are still getting direct deposited to their bank accounts.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 11, 2008 2:58 PM | Report abuse

MAKE THE CHANGE NOW EDDIE.....!!! LOAD ALL OF YOUR BULLETS IN THE CHAMBER AND LET HER RIP...... STOP LEAVING THREE OR MORE BULLETS IN THE BOX.....

Starting Lineup

McGee - 5
AJ - 4
CB - 3
NY - 2
Juan - 1

Second Unit

AB/OPec (Flip a coin) - 5
Song. - 4
DMac - 3
Stevenson - 2
Brown - 1

Eddie put your best 5 out there to start and play them 30 to 35 minutes. You have to get out of the gate faster..........

Posted by: BulletsFever | November 11, 2008 3:08 PM | Report abuse

PLAY JAVALE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: BurgwithaU | November 11, 2008 3:27 PM | Report abuse

It is trade time. Chris Kaman to Wiz for Andray Blatche and Etan Thomas. The salaries work for a trade. Ernie we need some help! The Wiz will still stay under the luxury tax.

Posted by: JoeC2 | November 11, 2008 3:29 PM | Report abuse

Hope Caron Found his J and some dribble penetration next to the goggles!

Posted by: gregskins | November 11, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

dude. you couldn't get a pic of CB3 in the eye goggles?

Posted by: Matte | November 11, 2008 4:07 PM | Report abuse

I'm all for a Chris Kaman trade, but I seriously doubt they would take AB and ET.

AJ, on the other hand might be doable b/c he's a stats all star and can score and rebound. They have/will have Camby to make up for his lack of D.

As I said earlier, I'd rather do a AJ/OPech trade to the Clips for Kaman/Thornton. Les BouleS might have to throw in some draft picks to sweeten the deal.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 11, 2008 4:17 PM | Report abuse

I am also all for the Kaman deal, the team will get tougher up front. With the Blatche & Thomas for Kaman deal, the Clippers will be able to increase their sucktitude & clumsiness around on the offensive side of the ball...

Hope this opens the floodgates for the Daniels for Chris Paul deal I've been holding out for...

Jordan's still trying to right the ship, but I don't understand why he puts so much trust in Stevenson & Songalia. I know Jordan loves his vets, but they are not his team captains Jamison & Butler, so Jordan needs to squash his loyalty to Stevenson & Songalia. Still, only 5 games into the season, so McGee & McGuire will get their minutes if they progress, that thought's the only thing keeping me sane...

Posted by: -CN- | November 11, 2008 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Oh yeah, hopefully the highlight to tomorrow's game isn't a shot of Butler sporting his new Rex Specs...

The team has got to find that fire and play like (insert any & all sports cliches here)...

Posted by: -CN- | November 11, 2008 5:08 PM | Report abuse

I know it's still early in the season, but it's pretty funny how a team that was in the lottery this past summer and written off as a sorry, over the lux cap black hole team is now 4-2 with their new coach and new GM vs. Les BouleS who made the playoffs, stuck with more of the same, and currently winless with two all stars.

Yes, the former be the Knicks, while the latter be you know whom.

Goes to prove, at least so far, the impact a good coach and GM can have for an organization which essentially has held on to the same players while benching two of their most highly paid guys (Starbury & Curry) and one guy, Jared, being out hurt.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/standings

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 11, 2008 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Here's some juice that's off topic. Enjoy!

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3696132

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 11, 2008 5:10 PM | Report abuse

What's this with the Kamen rumors? Are the Clippers really shopping him?

Lastly, I never thought I would be saying this but yes I would do the deal. Not because I don't like Kamen, it is because I suddenly think AB needs a change in venue.

AB's case is not like Haywood's two years ago. When Haywood got on the floor he produced, it was just Eddie having some kind of dislike for the dude that made it personal and not business.

However, in AB's case the dude is not producing when he is on the floor. He is king of turnover's and really looks like he is scared right now.

I really think the addition of McGee has shook him up in a negative way. AB was "Mr. X Factor" until McGee arrived. McGee is about his business and produces when he is giving minutes, unlike AB. I think AB is feeling that pressure and he is not handling it well.

I can't believe I am agreeing with some of the folks saying it might be time for EG to trade AB while he can still get something for him. Man, I can not believe I just wrote that..........???

Still a AB fan...

Posted by: BulletsFever | November 11, 2008 5:17 PM | Report abuse

Here's the link on Chris Kaman.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/11112008/sports/moresports/getting_cat_ty_in_n_c__138157.htm?page=0

And, I would trade AB just yet. He's being misused as a 5. Dude is clearly a 4.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 11, 2008 5:25 PM | Report abuse

Correction:

I WOULDN'T trade AB just yet. If, and I doubt it, they get Kaman, you'll have Kaman at the 5 with JaTravel backing him up.

Put AB at the 4 with ET/DSong backing him up.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 11, 2008 5:27 PM | Report abuse

Here's the link on Chris Kaman.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/11112008/sports/moresports/getting_cat_ty_in_n_c__138157.htm?page=0

And, I would trade AB just yet. He's being misused as a 5. Dude is clearly a 4.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 11, 2008 5:25 PM

DC - Thanks for that link, however considering the source is "Peter Vecsey"; I am not to sure how valid this story might be.

Posted by: BulletsFever | November 11, 2008 8:34 PM | Report abuse

"DC - Thanks for that link, however considering the source is "Peter Vecsey"; I am not to sure how valid this story might be.

Posted by: BulletsFever | November 11, 2008 8:34 PM "

I can't vouch for his credibility, but trading Kaman makes sense after they acquired Camby who will play the 5.

A perfect fit for them would be AJ at the 4.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 11, 2008 8:41 PM | Report abuse

Jamison might be a perfect fit at the 4, with Kaman at the 5. But with Camby, who has no real low post game and gets his half court offense on 10-12 foot jumpshots, another jumpshooter at at PF is a not a good match at all.

Posted by: kalo_rama | November 11, 2008 9:21 PM | Report abuse

@DC_MAN88: Really dude how many games a year do you go to? Because if you don't, why are you so upset about their guaranteed paychecks? You want the players freaking out after just 5 of 82 games? Please!

Posted by: tundey | November 11, 2008 9:22 PM | Report abuse

Also, if Vescey's piece is to be believed (and, as BF said, there's little reason for that) part of the reason they're dealing Kaman is to save money by moving his big contract, which would make it unlikely they'd want a player in Jamison who has an even bigger contract and is several years older.

Posted by: kalo_rama | November 11, 2008 9:23 PM | Report abuse

"@DC_MAN88: Really dude how many games a year do you go to? Because if you don't, why are you so upset about their guaranteed paychecks? You want the players freaking out after just 5 of 82 games? Please!

Posted by: tundey | November 11, 2008 9:22 PM "

What are you? Better yet, what are you?

Why would I be upset if they keep getting paid if ownership doesn't care either. To me, it's actually pretty funny.

No matter how you put it, the bottom line is that this team sucks and nobody predicted before the season started that they would start 0-5 again with 2 all stars in the lineup, so quit it with the "it's only the first 5 games" BS.

The fact of the matter is that Les BouleS are the only winless team in the NBA, and Les BouleS weren't a lottery team last season and were actually in the playoffs.

Go figure that out.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 11, 2008 10:50 PM | Report abuse

If Les Clips of the West were looking to save money and clear cap room, they wouldn't have signed Baron Davis and wouldn't have traded for Marcus Camby. Both guys of course, have higher salaries this year than Kaman, Baron Davis with the 5 year, and both are older, with Camby 8 years older than Kaman.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 11, 2008 10:58 PM | Report abuse

None of which in any way disputes the implication (made by Vescey in the very article you quoted) that they don't want to to take on any more salary in additional deals.

Posted by: kalo_rama | November 11, 2008 11:07 PM | Report abuse

Which goes back to your point where you back BF in that there is little reason to believe Vescey...so, don't quote Vescey if you don't believe him yourself.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 11, 2008 11:30 PM | Report abuse

DC_MAN88: It's not about them freaking out. It's a question do the players on this roster have a winning attitude? Look at the best players in the league they have guaranteed contracts but they can not stand losing. They do everything it takes to win: that means sacrificing their own stats for the team, playing defense, passing the ball and complaining when the organization doesn’t make the right moves (coach and/or draft picks). The problem starts at the top. When you play for a team that refuses to sign a player (at the league minimum) because they do not want to go over the salary cap and they don’t care if they have enough players to have a practice, what kind of signal does that send to the players or fans? If these guys wanted to be winners they would have signed someplace else and took less money. We are stuck with bad basketball (maybe some more first round exits) until the ownership decides they want to win more then just make money.

tundey: I would not waste a dime to see this team play since they don’t care about me as a fan.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | November 12, 2008 12:14 AM | Report abuse

And, I would trade AB just yet. He's being misused as a 5. Dude is clearly a 4.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 11, 2008 5:25 PM

I agree with you in this instance. AB has AJ without 3-range in him. He tries to throw flipshots at the basket but is to long and slow for that compared to AJ. Those shots for AB seems to predictable for shotblockers. He seems more suited as a finisher after being dished to. He has to learn to go up strong with 2 hands, sometimes too, not being afraid to get hacked.

Posted by: G-Man11 | November 12, 2008 8:32 AM | Report abuse

Do you think the wizards need to make a deal for like a another point or shooting guard. Could they do a trade for Ben Gordon or Larry Hughes for a couple of draft picks and Etan Thomas and the draft rights to Vladimir Veeremeenko, or could you do a three way trade with OKC and Utah and NYK and get Kyle Korver and Joe Smith and David Lee and give up Etan, Blatche and the draft rights to Veeremeenko and cash considerations?

Posted by: agentwizard0 | November 12, 2008 8:56 AM | Report abuse

I love the Wiz, but the team is flawed across the nearly the entire roster. Blatche, Daniels, Dixon, Mcguire, Pech, Songalia, Dee, Deshawn and Etan are marginal second team NBA players, let alone starters or championship-caliber players. Honestly, how many of these guys would even have a roster spot on the Lakers or Pistons? We have three proven stars, Gil, Jamison and Butler. Jamison and Gil, despite their individual talents, are fools gold. While they get stats, Gil's lack of point guard alchemy ruins chemistry, while Jamison leaves us undersize, under-strength and weak in D in the frontcourt. We always seem overmatched physically up front, and Jamison - heart though he has - is one of the causes. These two holes will forever prevent us from forming a coherent, championship squad. These are the cracks which can be hidden during the season but which get exposed in the playoffs. Moreover, Gil has serious knee problems, and the latter is getting creakier and more perimeter-oriented as he loses his athleticism. That leaves Caron, Haywood, Mcgee and Young. While he is not a pure SG or SF, his all-around skills make Caron invaluable. Mcgee is the best young prospect we've had since Chris Webber. With his height, arm length and hops, he may get up higher than any player in NBA history. He has a head on his shoulders, too: discipline, attitude, aggression, confidence, natural fluidity, etc. A great prospect. Haywood will be a serviceable back-up when he returns. Young has had a fast start and shows promise, but was so inconsistent - last year and in the pre-season - that it is premature to anoint him just yet. With Gil's and Jamison's contracts, they are impossible to move. We have to pray that Mcgee and Young are the Second Coming and that we can replace our other marginal players - which we have in abundance - with solid NBA role players. If we start Young, Butler and Mcgee and find a pure point guard and imposing PF, we'd have a potentially great starting five. That would give us an explosive Arenas, Jamison and Haywood off the bench, and allow the former two to sacrifice their bodies less. A good lottery pick this year could fill one of two starter spots, while perhaps we could use Blatche, Mcguire a future draft pick or some combination thereof in trade bait to get the other.

Posted by: SammyT1 | November 12, 2008 9:18 AM | Report abuse

... and Kamen is the last thing we need. We have a servicable Center in Haywood and a potential star in Mcgee. Why would we want to waste a massive contract on a third center? We need a PG and Power Forward.

Posted by: SammyT1 | November 12, 2008 9:26 AM | Report abuse

i'd like to see a healthy hughes return and stevensen go. the salaries don't work though.

Posted by: gregskins | November 12, 2008 9:45 AM | Report abuse

"... and Kamen is the last thing we need. We have a servicable Center in Haywood and a potential star in Mcgee. Why would we want to waste a massive contract on a third center? We need a PG and Power Forward.

Posted by: SammyT1 | November 12, 2008 9:26 AM "

Since when was having a lot of GOOD big men a problem in the NBA?

Having a lot of TERRIBLE big men, that's a problem.

When you have a lot of GOOD big men, then you have advantages when you need to fill other spots on the roster as the need presents itself. Other teams would want to do deals with you.

Even with Gilby's return, assuming he's back to all star form, it will only mask the problems that Les BouleS have with interior scoring, team defense, and defense in the paint.

When/if Gilby returns, Les BouleS would be lucky to even make the playoffs.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 12, 2008 10:02 AM | Report abuse

When a team seems like it could be lottery bound because of a series of injuries( Arenas, Haywood, & Daniels) throwing in a couple of draft picks to make deals happen just smells of desperation.

Kamen is a nice tough 7' center. Nothing real spectacular about the guy. Like Haywood he's a servicable NBA center. Has a little more of a rep. as a tough guy. But is he worth giving up Jamison for? That's a tough one to me, Jamison brings so many things to the team that are hard to measure.

I just can't see where the Clippers would take Blatche and Thomas for Kamen. If they would without the Wizards sending along a potential lottery pick, go for it in my mind. Right now this team needs an injection of toughness and space eating size in the lane. Kamen fills both bills.

I would make any pick involved lottery protected or at least top 10-15 protected. I can't see giving up a top ten pick to get a center that's overpaid for what he is.

Remember giving up Thomas and Blatche would partially dismantle Grunfeld's flexibility that he has with the large group of expiring contracts after next year. By trade deadline this year or next summer those chips grow in value.

Or he just waits until after next season and he has a significant amount to play with in the FA market.

This is kind of like poker, Ernie's got a hand, he's just got to decide how to play it. He may not move as early as many fans would like, but that doesn't make him cheap or dumb, there's just other ways to play this situation out.

I'd agree with the general premise that Blatche may need a change in address, it's kind of interesting to see how many of these straight from High School guys have needed one before they bloom in the league. It's almost like their first team is their college and they tune that coach out and need to "graduate" and move on.

I'd hate to see him bloom on another team, but I wonder if he'll ever do it here.
GM

Posted by: flohrtv | November 12, 2008 10:18 AM | Report abuse

It is likely to be 0-7 before the firt win. 0-10 is quite a possibility too, with first win comes on the second meeting against Knicks. If they miss that, they may have to wait till December.

Posted by: sagaliba | November 12, 2008 10:23 AM | Report abuse

Interesting viewpoint, SammyT1. I see BTH as more than a 'serviceable backup' though. I actually can envision Mcgee starting at PF alongside Haywood until he gets strong enough to play C (few years). He already has a faceup jumper that has good form. All he needs is practice to perfect it. But enough about next year. We're only 5 games into it.

We all need to remember that AB is still a young guy who only started getting minutes last year. He's basically still a rookie in terms of game experience. He's only started 29 games in his entire career. Let's allow him to work through his mistakes and see what we really have rather than throw him overboard so soon. I know it's frustrating but just take a look at Jermaine Oneal's career. Young guys take time to develop. You think Portland wishes they'd have hung onto him?

Posted by: original_mark | November 12, 2008 11:00 AM | Report abuse

Anybody who's lumping Kamen with BTH as a "serviceable" big man is not paying attention.

As good as BTH is for Les BouleS, never has BTH averaged a double double or averaged over 2 blocks/game.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/stats?playerId=1982

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/stats?playerId=1000

Again, Kamen & Thornton for AJ & OPech.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 12, 2008 11:38 AM | Report abuse

"However, in AB's case the dude is not producing when he is on the floor. He is king of turnover's and really looks like he is scared right now."

Yes, I agree AB looks confused and unsure this season. Don't know what happened. Last year he was producing. And we cheered when he and BTH played together. Wonder if missing BTH has some kind of impact (locker room, or coach is on him more?)

Posted by: sagaliba | November 12, 2008 1:03 PM | Report abuse

"... and Kamen is the last thing we need. We have a servicable Center in Haywood and a potential star in Mcgee. Why would we want to waste a massive contract on a third center? We need a PG and Power Forward.

Posted by: SammyT1 | November 12, 2008 9:26 AM "

"Since when was having a lot of GOOD big men a problem in the NBA?"

Since a salary cap was instituted and we had an owner who has sworn not to exceed it. If we tie up all of our money in three men who play the same position (center), there will not be enough to pay for help elsewhere and our money will be tied up in lost bench minutes. Certainly Haywood and Kamen are too slow to slide over to PF. Mcgee has potential there, though he seems a more nature center to me. He is perhaps too lanky and long to have the footwork and dribbling skills a PF needs. Physically and in terms of mental toughness, he reminds me of a young Garnett... but so far without the PF floor skills that would allow him to flourish on the outskirts and suburbs of the paint.

Posted by: SammyT1 | November 12, 2008 1:10 PM | Report abuse

this sums it up

McGee - 5
AJ - 4
CB - 3
NY - 2
Juan - 1


Look forward to seeing Caron tonight LOL

http://www.wizardsextreme.com

Posted by: WizardsExtreme | November 12, 2008 1:52 PM | Report abuse

"As good as BTH is for Les BouleS, never has BTH averaged a double double or averaged over 2 blocks/game."

That's because BTH never averaged more than 28 minutes a game (you cannot produce if you are not on the court). In two seasons when Kaman averaged double digits rebounds and two blocks he played 36-37 minutes. If you take BTH's stat in the two seasons when he played more than 27 minutes (04-05 and 07-08), and extends to 37 minutes, he would be double-double and two blocks as well!

Posted by: sagaliba | November 12, 2008 2:50 PM | Report abuse

"That's because BTH never averaged more than 28 minutes a game (you cannot produce if you are not on the court). In two seasons when Kaman averaged double digits rebounds and two blocks he played 36-37 minutes. If you take BTH's stat in the two seasons when he played more than 27 minutes (04-05 and 07-08), and extends to 37 minutes, he would be double-double and two blocks as well!

Posted by: sagaliba | November 12, 2008 2:50 PM "

Unforunately, projected production (BTH) doesn't equate to actual production (Kaman).

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 12, 2008 3:15 PM | Report abuse

"Since a salary cap was instituted and we had an owner who has sworn not to exceed it. If we tie up all of our money in three men who play the same position (center), there will not be enough to pay for help elsewhere and our money will be tied up in lost bench minutes. Certainly Haywood and Kamen are too slow to slide over to PF. Mcgee has potential there, though he seems a more nature center to me. He is perhaps too lanky and long to have the footwork and dribbling skills a PF needs. Physically and in terms of mental toughness, he reminds me of a young Garnett... but so far without the PF floor skills that would allow him to flourish on the outskirts and suburbs of the paint.

Posted by: SammyT1 | November 12, 2008 1:10 PM "

Do you not pay attention?

Trading AJ/OPech for Kaman/Thorton fits under the cap. BTH is already under contract. How does any of this affect the cap?

It doesn't!

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 12, 2008 3:17 PM | Report abuse

"Unforunately, projected production (BTH) doesn't equate to actual production (Kaman)."

No, but if Kaman plays only 27 minutes, he for sure would not average double/double and 2 blocks!

Posted by: sagaliba | November 12, 2008 8:10 PM | Report abuse

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