Who's Next After Ed Tapscott?

Folks were speculating about the Washington Wizards head coach before Ernie Grunfeld held a news conference to announce that Eddie Jordan had been relieved of his duties and was going to be replaced by Grunfeld's trusted friend and confidant, Ed Tapscott.

Everyone, it seemed, was looking past Tapscott and imagining such names as Avery Johnson or Mark Jackson or Flip Saunders or Jeff Van Gundy eventually taking the helm -- this season. Well, Grunfeld plans to keep Tapscott for the remainder of the regular season, which is completely understandable. He cannot be hasty with his first coaching hire as team president -- the extension he gave Jordan notwithstanding.


That's Tapscott, not Stopgap. (AP Photo)

Don't think for a minute that Grunfeld made the decision to fire Jordan shortsightedly -- or that he won't show any forward thinking when he hires the 21st coach in franchise history, whenever that may be. After talking to people within the Wizards organization, I got a better understanding of why they fired Jordan, even if I still don't agree with the decision. This is the second Jordan Abe Pollin has fired in the past six years, but they recovered quite nicely after that last one left town.

Grunfeld made it pretty clear that "One and 10 is not acceptable" in his news conference on Monday afternoon. I know that any team missing its leading scorer and best overall defensive player should be bad, but 1-10 is hard to defend, regardless of the circumstances.

The past three losses to Atlanta, Houston and New York didn't sit well with the folks in the front office, and the pattern of losing close games with fourth quarter breakdowns was becoming a troubling trend. The loss in New York was the last straw, given that the Wizards allowed 122 points to a Knicks team with just eight players, including Jerome James and Malik Rose.

Grunfeld determined after that loss that Jordan wouldn't be able to turn things around by the time Gilbert Arenas returns from his knee injury, whenever that may be. And the tone of Jordan's post-game comments after losses to Miami, Atlanta and then New York basically closed the door on hope.

But there were other issues that frustrated Grunfeld, according to sources. Ivan and I have pointed out that the Wizards struggled to improve defensively, and young players like Andray Blatche and Oleksiy Pecherov had yet to develop under Jordan. But Grunfeld was also concerned with the inconsistent play of Caron Butler, an all-star whose energy level and enthusiasm seemed to oscillate from game to game.

Grunfeld picked Tapscott mostly because of his skills as a communicator, believing that there won't be a major disconnect between the players and the coach, no matter how the Wizards finish the season. From people I spoke with about Tapscott, he has an amazing gift for explaining the game and his thought process. The few times that I've spoken with him, I've always found him to be very insightful.

And for those worried about giving the franchise to a guy who has never coached in the NBA, and coached college ball at American almost 20 years ago, just remember that both Michael Curry and Vinny Del Negro are first-year NBA coaches with no head coaching experience whatsoever. Tapscott also has the advantage of having been around the team the past two seasons.

But back to the question at hand: Who's going to lead the Wizards in 2009-10? It is way, way, way too early to call. It's easy to throw a bunch of names out there (as I did in the paper this morning, and in my chat on Monday afternoon) but the Wizards are about six, seven months from hiring a coach. Unless Tapscott completely bombs, or somebody unexpected lands at their doorstep.

I know that I can definitely rule out Jeff Van Gundy after Grunfeld lost a power struggle with him in New York in 1999. A league source basicially ruled out any chance of that reunion occurring, citing their past history and Van Gundy's very complicated contract with ESPN/ABC, which would make it difficult for him to leave the booth (which isn't so bad since he's so enjoyable as an announcer; Van Gundy is miserable as a coach).

His former top assistant Tom Thibodeau would definitely be a top candidate if Celtics were able to repeat as champions or simply reach the NBA Finals again.

Avery Johnson has a great record, but I have a very hard time seeing Arenas having fun playing for such a demanding and stubborn coach -- especially one so focused on defense.

Saunders perhaps makes the most sense of the unemployed coaches, since he has had success everywhere he's been, and he is very creative offensively, something a team with weapons like Arenas, Butler and Antawn Jamison would probably enjoy.

But out of that list, I still like Jordan better for this team.

And again, this is strictly speculation based on what's going on the fourth week in November. Who knows who could be available next May or June? Scott Skiles and Mike D'Antoni were in Chicago and Phoenix, respectively, this time last year.

More importantly, this job is really only attractive if Gilbert Arenas can return to something close to his old form. If he comes back looking like Penny Hardaway 2.0, most big-name coaches would be frightened by the challenge of winning while being dragged down by $111 million salary-cap-inhaling contract. A healthy Arenas changes the game completely and let's Grunfeld really have his choice.

So who's next really depends on what's next from the franchise player.

By Michael Lee |  November 25, 2008; 8:59 AM ET
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people talk about how much we can not play defense but when your best player does not play defense it hard. look at kevin garnett since he plays defense the celtics play defense. lebron plays defense the cavs play defense, so i mean its not all on eddie he took them as far as he could. but this team everybody around the nba is making moves and this is the only team that stays with the same roster.

Posted by: xpoc2 | November 25, 2008 9:08 AM

Mike- I love Ivan but he has been too easy on Eddie Jordan, as well as Stevenson, and Blatche in his coverage. He broke his biasis down in his article saying EJ is a class act who has treated him very well...but the hard aspect of being a reporter is telling it like it is even if that hurt's people's feelings...Blatche's work ethic and his inability to getting stronger after being in the league 4 years reflects on the coaching and team mgt emphisis and level of expectation in their players.

Even Wilbon in his recent article gave EJ a pass which is wrong. Sally's article was spot on, about a 100% class act in Jordon, a strong community man, and a gem of a person...but someone who has some professional flaws in his defensive coaching, emphisis on team intensity, and player subsitution/rotation...that hurt the team during a low period. Abe, not Ernie, made the call, no doubt, to shake up the team. I also believe the financial business aspect was a factor. In that, the fans will likely not shell out 80 bucks to see some so so millionairs ballers play with no heart.

Mike please pass on to Ivan...I respect his coverage but he should be more objective in your coverage. These are the trying times as a reporter, where his job and his personal feelings about the man need to be put in the proper perspective when he reports to the public.

Posted by: FLC-Woodbridge | November 25, 2008 9:14 AM

but to answer your question i think flip Saunders. because this is a guy that will be a players coach let gilbert does what he does and everbody will have fun. i think no to avery johnson because his team is build around defense, and look at steve franchise and jeff van gundy frist year, steve and him did not get along because jeff told defense, and steve was not about that

Posted by: xpoc2 | November 25, 2008 9:16 AM

EJ lost his job with this 1-10 record based on the play of MeTawn and MeShawn. These guys just don't get it.

MeTawn is a stats guy who can't play his position and gave up embarrassing plays to Nate Robinson.

MeShawn is a streaky shooter who's not that streaky, and is an overrated defender.

Caron is just having an off year. You know when he can't even hit his FT's.

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"But out of that list, I still like Jordan better for this team." - Mike Lee

Mikey, you're offering up an opinion. Didn't know beat reporters did that. ;-)

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 25, 2008 9:17 AM

"And for those worried about giving the franchise to a guy who has never coached in the NBA, and coached college ball at American almost 20 years ago, just remember that both Michael Curry and Vinny Del Negro are first-year NBA coaches with no head coaching experience whatsoever. Tapscott also has the advantage of having been around the team the past two seasons." - Mike Lee

Mikey, the only problem is that Tapscott doesn't have any NBA experience as a player. Both Curry and Del Negro do.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 25, 2008 9:19 AM

Thank you for covering the Wizards, no sarcasm I am genuinely happy to have your basketball knowledge and excellent writing taking of the Wizards topics de jour. Great post, thanks

Posted by: emmet1 | November 25, 2008 9:19 AM

"Avery Johnson has a great record, but I have a very hard time seeing Arenas having fun playing for such a demanding and stubborn coach -- especially one so focused on defense."

111 million dollars later, Gilbert needs to grow up. He works for the Wizards, the Wizards don't work for him. The Wizards shouldn't have to babysit and coddle their superstar player. Arenas needs to become more serious and mature and more demanding of himself, a coach who has those traits might give him a bump in the right direction.

Posted by: emmet1 | November 25, 2008 9:24 AM

"111 million dollars later, Gilbert needs to grow up. He works for the Wizards, the Wizards don't work for him. The Wizards shouldn't have to babysit and coddle their superstar player. Arenas needs to become more serious and mature and more demanding of himself, a coach who has those traits might give him a bump in the right direction.

Posted by: emmet1 | November 25, 2008 9:24 AM "

Forget the 111 million dollars.

Gilby is looking for a franchise lottery draft pick bailout.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 25, 2008 9:27 AM

Please please please. NO Avery Johnson. Unless we change the personality of this team (personnel), we need someone who coaches to our strengths. Our all stars made the all star team because they score and not because they play defense. Can't turn an orange into an apple. As long as Gil, CB and AJ are the principles and startes in their presnt positions, we need a coach who looks to score first, defend second. I know I'm opening myself up to a lot of criticism here from fellow bloggers but I'm convinced that there's no way we should try to change this team into the 90's Pistons. Also, 08-09 should be about getting the young guys minutes and teaching the game. We're not making the playoffs this year and we need to accept that.
Any coaching change should be with next year and a clean lineup slate in mind. If we really want to start changing things up, next years starting lineup should be GA, NY, CB, JM and BTH with AB and AJ coming off the bench.
I think we're physically equipped to play both D and OP with this lineup.

Posted by: original_mark | November 25, 2008 9:33 AM

The problem is not DeShawn or AJ, it's the lack of overall talent. You can win with DS and AJ, but can you win when you surround them with this squad?

The real problem is first of all EG, the dude has to go. Second of all the problem is Gilber (no "t", get it?), who as a "leader" (forget the fact that he doesn't play), sets the tone for this team. Did I say team?

Posted by: shovetheplanet | November 25, 2008 9:40 AM

Ivan and Mike,

It's one thing to have opinions and state them, and it's quite another to let your feelings color your reporting.

There is a 1-10 team, several challenges, and a new coach. The new guy said he wants to focus on D, particularly protecting the rim, rebounding and covering the 3's. Additionally, the young guys haven't developed as expected.

You guys ought to focus on the real issues. What exactly is the new coach doing to address these issues? Are the players buying into it? What are the benchmarks for success (or improvement)?

After you report the facts, your opinions would be more welcome.

Posted by: Izman | November 25, 2008 9:45 AM

People wonder how Matt Millen was able to survive in Detroit for so long with such abysmal results. I bet he was probably a class act too. After all, you can't be a sour puss and survive with such bad record. Same with EJ. It's been the same problem from day 1: lack of defense and lack of development of young talent. Whether it's all his fault or not, those are the facts. The Wizards have failed to develop any of their promising young talents. While it was forgivable when they were winning, you can't keep doing things against the grain, keep losing and expect to keep your job (not unless you are Vinny Cerrato). If the Wizards were anything but 1-10 and if they hadn't lost to a team with 7 players (one of whom is 5-9), Eddie would still have the unenviable of trying to right this ship. As it is, he can call back on his 1-year extension money and be reasonably assured of future opportunities.

Posted by: tundey | November 25, 2008 9:47 AM

Since we can not Eddie Jordan back, I think the best option will be Flip Saunders right now if the season ended today. He has taken two team to the conference championship games (MIN and DET). He was also at Training Camp with the Wizards this season so he knows some of the players.

Yesterday I said Avery Johnson should be head coach. I was wrong. With this team (who plays no defence) it would be a bad fit.

The only person, I think, that can make the Wizards better next year is Mike D'Antoni. He has an up tempo style of offense that this team would love. But he is not coming to DC. He is staying in NYC. He is getting Lebron and Amare in NYC in 2010!!! Yes I said Lebron and Amare will be in NYC in 2010!!! Oh the Knicks might (strong might) make the playoffs this year. YES I SAID IT!!!!

Bigmon411

Posted by: Bigmon411 | November 25, 2008 9:50 AM

Good to see that I'm not the only one noticing the erratic play of CB. I seem to be the only one saying anything here, though.
xpoc2, I've read for years that the knock on LeBron was his inattention to defense. Of course, they haven't won a title, either.

I just did the research and every championship team since 1987 (I started there) had at least one player that was either on the first or second team all NBA Defensive team with the exception of the 94-94 Rockets and the 2006-2007 Heat. The 94-95 Rockets has Hakeem and the 06-06 Heat had Alonzo, Wade, Posey, GP, etc.

What defensive first or second teamer does this Wiz team have ? What Wiz player is even a prospect for that team? Maybe JM, maybe BTH...that's pretty much it. Everyone else is a scorer first and it would probably hurt us more to have them score less than it does to have them defend less.

My bottom line: We probably aren't winning a title with this squad even with Gil and BTH healthy. Either we scrap it and start over or think about benching some guys and going young.

Posted by: original_mark | November 25, 2008 9:57 AM

my short list...Thibbedeau & JTII

Posted by: gregskins | November 25, 2008 10:06 AM

"The problem is not DeShawn or AJ, it's the lack of overall talent. You can win with DS and AJ, but can you win when you surround them with this squad?

The real problem is first of all EG, the dude has to go. Second of all the problem is Gilber (no "t", get it?), who as a "leader" (forget the fact that he doesn't play), sets the tone for this team. Did I say team?

Posted by: shovetheplanet | November 25, 2008 9:40 AM "

Lack of overall talent?

How about lack of trying?

AJ got beat at the jump ball by Nate Robinson, who's 15" shorter.

Nate Robinson skied over AJ for a putback layup after David Lee missed a short jumper.

MeTawn is the guy who said he needs BTH to tell him where to go defensively.

MeTawn is the guy who said he can't take it easy unless other people are doing their jobs.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 25, 2008 10:13 AM

BULLETSFEVER: You made an excellent post yesterday in regards to Eddie & the Knicks game. It was long, so I'm not gonna paste it, but everyone should take note of it. There probably was A LOT more going on behind the scenes, and EJ's sub patterns almost seemed like he was saying "F&^k You, Ernie, I play who I want, when I want."

DCMAN88: I also saw you said OK has more upside for a new coach, talentwise?? Have you been drinking?? With a healthy Gil, AJ, CB, those are 3 proven all-stars. Throw in the young talent, Nick & Javale, (or AB) and that is a very good starting 5. So are you saying you'd take Durant, Westbrook, & Green over the Wiz?? LOL!!! Green and Westbrook HAVE NOT proven anything yet, and Durant is 6'11 180 lbs and shoots 30% from the field!!! Man you that wasn't a smart comment HAHAHA

Posted by: cj658 | November 25, 2008 10:15 AM

ANd FYI to all the Eddie supporters, he WAS a big problem, not placing all the blame on him, but through 11 games, nothing changed. The Wiz were only getting worse. Come on folks.

Posted by: cj658 | November 25, 2008 10:17 AM

Posted by: fanzak | November 25, 2008 10:18 AM

I didn't see the New York game, but if I'm not mistaken the team got to the playoffs the last 4 years with AJ in the starting lineup, so I'm not sure he and DSteve are primarily responsible for the 1-10 start.

Me yawn.

Posted by: shovetheplanet | November 25, 2008 10:23 AM

"I didn't see the New York game, but if I'm not mistaken the team got to the playoffs the last 4 years with AJ in the starting lineup, so I'm not sure he and DSteve are primarily responsible for the 1-10 start."

That's fine if winning championships is not on the agenda.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 25, 2008 10:34 AM

thanks for the great entry, Michael. I'm torn on the firing - I see the reasons for and against it.

I'm only posting this to say that I like EJ, and I appreciate the success he brought to the team during his tenure.

Posted by: doogiex | November 25, 2008 10:37 AM

"DCMAN88: I also saw you said OK has more upside for a new coach, talentwise?? Have you been drinking?? With a healthy Gil, AJ, CB, those are 3 proven all-stars. Throw in the young talent, Nick & Javale, (or AB) and that is a very good starting 5. So are you saying you'd take Durant, Westbrook, & Green over the Wiz?? LOL!!! Green and Westbrook HAVE NOT proven anything yet, and Durant is 6'11 180 lbs and shoots 30% from the field!!! Man you that wasn't a smart comment HAHAHA

Posted by: cj658 | November 25, 2008 10:15 AM "

Hmmm, look on Les BouleS roster and OK's roster.

Which of these two teams have the most attractive and affordable guys for trade and possible quickest improvement?

Nobody on OK's roster has a salary this year over 6.75 mil.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/teams/roster?team=okc

Stop your making statements based on assumptions of "health."

Gilby has been out almost 2 years and may not play this season and may never return to his original 30 pt/game, no defense form.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 25, 2008 10:40 AM

Hey Ivan Carter,

Put your pants on and start covering this story like a real man!

The Wizards defense has been the laughing stock of the NBA for 5 years under Eddie Jordan and thus they could never get beyond the first or second round in the playoffs! Eddie took us as far as he could. Every team has injuries.

Also, I don't give a damn about Eddie Jordan treating you nicely. Since when are you part of the story? And why are you important? Did your Journalism professor teach you to fall in love with your subject forget about the facts? The Wizards were dead last in defense! DEAD LAST. And you want to tell me that it's because they're missing Brenda Haywood?? I pity you Ivan Carter

Posted by: TeamPlayer1 | November 25, 2008 10:40 AM

"Durant is 6'11 180 lbs and shoots 30% from the field!!! Man you that wasn't a smart comment HAHAHA

Posted by: cj658 | November 25, 2008 10:15 AM ""

Speaking of Durant, he's shooting .462 FG's and .421 from 3 this season.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=3202


NY: .457, .158
MeShawn: .343, .286
MeTawn: .468, .342
Juan: .357, .333
Caron: .446,.360
Gilby: .000, .000


OWNED!!!!!

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 25, 2008 10:47 AM

DCMAN: Are you kidding me!!! You have given me a good laugh this morning. If you put the a CAPABLE coach in charge of the Wiz, they are 10 times better than OKC!! I am NOT a Gimpert supporter, but one has to believe he will be back next year and at least be at 18-23ppg. Facts are facts OKC's lineup is PATHETIC. You are simply trying to cover that up with meaningless stats and salaries.

Again NOBODY on the OKC roster has proven anything. NY and Mcgee have for more upside than Green and Westbrook. I GUARANTEE you if you give Nick Young Jeff Greens minutes he will average far more than Green. Nick is averaging only 1 point less in 10 less minutes...Hmm.. chew on that. Throw in caron and AJ, say what you want, but YOU KNOW what you get...nothing spectacualr, but 20ppg and 7-10 rbs. Jeff Green is their SECOND BEST player, NY is our 6th man. Point is there second option is not as good as our 6th man. Think before you speak.

DCMAN, you seem to forget the Wiz were a playoff team the last 4 years...When was the last time OKC/Seattle made the playoffs??? They are leaps and bounds behind the Wizards, not to mention THEY PLAY IN THE WESTERN CONFERNCE!!!

Consider all the factors, you're not looking good.

OWNED!!!!!!!!

Posted by: cj658 | November 25, 2008 11:03 AM

"People wonder how Matt Millen was able to survive in Detroit for so long with such abysmal results."

Yeah, because getting to the playoffs for years in a row, after the team went once in the previous 12+ is certainly "abysmal.

Please. The city of Detroit would have thrown Millen a parade if he got the no-account Lions into the playoffs 4 years in a row.

And for all of those who keep banging on the "Jordan had to go because he lost the team" drum:

"Why wouldn't I be shocked?" said team captain Antawn Jamison, a two-time All-Star. "This team was 1-10, not the coach. Next question."

"I wouldn't say he lost the locker room," the guard said. "Someone had to be the fall guy, and unfortunately it was Coach. I wish we could've had a better start for him because, personally, I think he's a tremendous coach, great teacher and he worked hard preparing us."

Yeah, sounds like the players couldn't wait to get rid of him.

Posted by: kalo_rama | November 25, 2008 11:18 AM

Kalorama: What else are the players going to say, "Yeah I'm so glad we fired Eddie" or how about, "Eddie was a pathetic coach, it was time for a change". ??

The players said what they were supposed to say, the ones who actually talked, that is.

Posted by: cj658 | November 25, 2008 11:25 AM

While we're offering coaching suggestions, I like Flip more than the other candidates. He's an offensive guy who also knows how important defense is.
Thibodeau is interesting but since he's a D first guy who would be working with O talent, I'm not sure it would fit.

The best coach I can see working with our squad is actually Nellie. He knows how to play small ball effectively (I'm sure DSong would stayed nailed to the bench with him) and he's proven to be able to work with teams that are dysfunctional and improperly built.
He's the guy who introduced the concept of a 'point forward' effectively with Marques Johnson and Paul Pressey back in the day. Too bad he's not available but maybe somebody (besides Avery) who is a protege?

Posted by: original_mark | November 25, 2008 11:25 AM

"OWNED!!!!!!!!

Posted by: cj658 | November 25, 2008 11:03 AM "

Please, please, please....

Who wants a job with an organization that's hamstrung by underachieving players with overinflated salaries?

Whichever job is more desirable is pure conjecture on our part, but you lost all credibility when you said Durant shot .299 from the field and is 6-11, 180 lbs., which of course, was disproven.

Go check your facts.

Owned 4 life.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 25, 2008 11:26 AM

And also, kalorama, FYI, 16 teams make it to the playoffs is basketball, 12 in the NFL. Also the Wiz play in the East.

Bottom line is, losing in the 1st round 3 years in a row, is NOT an accoplishment. ALl that shows is that the Wiz were better than half of the teams in the league for making it. That's not saying to much.

Posted by: cj658 | November 25, 2008 11:28 AM

Abe will pull a rabbit out of the hat and hire Darryl Walker!

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 25, 2008 11:28 AM

DCMAN88: Durant is a career 43% shooter, who averages 2 assits and 4 rebounds to go along with those 20ppg. Yeah, great line for a guy who's 6'9 LOL!! And let's not even get on his D!! Fact is he is not a franchise player.

In case you couldnt tell, I was using SARCASIM in my original post to you. I am well aware he is not 185 lbs (not to far away though), and I am well aware he doesn't shoot 30%. I was exaggerating, but my point is that's the type of player he is. He is weak, can't rebound for his size, and brings absolutely NOTHING to the table other than scoring. ANY PLAYER can average 19-23ppg on a lousy team, just shoot all the shots, which is what he does. If you would like to build a team around him, so be it.

And again, put yourself in a coaches shoes, if you want more immediate success, you take the Wiz.

YOURE DONE. YOU OWN NOTHING

Posted by: cj658 | November 25, 2008 11:34 AM

"The players said what they were supposed to say, the ones who actually talked, that is."

Or, they said what they really felt. (Crazy idea, huh?)

If you actually followed the NBA you'd know that players can and do take shots at fired coaches. You would also know that the ones who are glad the coach is gone but don't want to say so publicly generally make bland, noncommittal statements like "It's a business and that's what happens." When a player goes out of his way to (A) praise the coach and (B) deflect blame for the team's failures away from the coach, it's a pretty obvious indication that he's speaking his true feelings. Obvious to everyone, that is, except people with an agenda and an utter inability to see the situation from outside their own acrid biases.

"And also, kalorama, FYI, 16 teams make it to the playoffs is basketball, 12 in the NFL. Also the Wiz play in the East."

All true. All completely and utterly irrelevant to anything I said, but all true nonetheless.

Kudos to you for stating the obvious and the meaningless, all in the same post.

Posted by: kalo_rama | November 25, 2008 11:39 AM

More FACTS: Let's think what would happen if you give NY Durant's minutes and shot attempts.

Durant Career: 34.7 min, 17.2 shot attempts, per game.

Nick Young career: 16.8 min, 6.9 shot attempts per game.


Think about that DCMAN88. Durant averages TWICE the minutes and OVER TWICE the shot attempts as Nick Young, both through 1 plus seasons. Give Nick those minutes and shot attempts on a pitiful team, and he puts up the same numbers, if not better.

AND FYI, he is out SIXTH MAN!!!

Nick was hampered by Eddie's love affair with lousy vets.

OWENED, seriously, really man.

Posted by: cj658 | November 25, 2008 11:41 AM

"YOURE DONE. YOU OWN NOTHING

Posted by: cj658 | November 25, 2008 11:34 AM "

This is probably your worst exaggeration of your life.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 25, 2008 11:42 AM

"Think about that DCMAN88. Durant averages TWICE the minutes and OVER TWICE the shot attempts as Nick Young, both through 1 plus seasons. Give Nick those minutes and shot attempts on a pitiful team, and he puts up the same numbers, if not better.

AND FYI, he is out SIXTH MAN!!!

Nick was hampered by Eddie's love affair with lousy vets.

OWENED, seriously, really man.

Posted by: cj658 | November 25, 2008 11:41 AM "

Hmm, and Durant was draft pick # what and NY was draft pick # what?

I'd have to go out on a ledge and say all the NBA teams in this league would rather have Durant on their team instead of your much ballyhooed Nick Young.

Owned again and 4 life....

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 25, 2008 11:44 AM

Kaloram: Actually what I said wasn't meaningless, to quote you:

"Yeah, because getting to the playoffs for years in a row, after the team went once in the previous 12+ is certainly "abysmal.

Please. The city of Detroit would have thrown Millen a parade if he got the no-account Lions into the playoffs 4 years in a row."

So I said that is NOT an accomplishment. What did he accomplish?? Like I said all that says is they were better than half of the teams in the league.

And what players went out of there way to praise Eddie?? Juan Dixon?? Come on man, get serious. In the history of the league what players have come out publicly and bashed a coach after he was fired?? Shaq?? But shaq is shaq. You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about, if the players truly "loved Eddie" like you seem to do, they would have came out and said it. The only reason players like Gil like him is because he was soft and let players walk all over him (Gil on more than 1 occasion.

Posted by: cj658 | November 25, 2008 11:47 AM

DCMAN88: yeah you're right, since Durant was a # 1 pick, he is bound to be great. After all Kwame, Candy Man, Sam Bowie, those are future HOF's. I guess since Michael Redd and Tony Parker were late picks, they had no shot at being better than a # 1 pick.

That was the dumbest comment of the day buddy.

Posted by: cj658 | November 25, 2008 11:49 AM

Many of you are making some really good posts, good points for and against EJ. But, with a team that's 1-10 and with EJ's comments after several of the losses, which were very winnable games, no one should really be shocked? He was a good coach, a good guy, and this team has flaws, but Sally Jenkins article this morning hit on some great points about the continuous lack of defense from these guys. We may not have the best defenders, but many people said that about Paul Pierce, Ray Allen, Eddie House, etc. before last year, and look what the C's did? And yes, KG is a great defender, but he did not defend the entire opposing team!

I like the fact that we are talking about coaching possibilities now. I understand that EJ was a home town guy and took the team to the playoffs for 4 straight years. That's great and better than we had done in 20 yrs. However, I have never heard a fan say, "you know I think EJ is the coach to take us to the championship." Never!

So, to get to the next level, we probably had to do something like this. I'm sorry that we had to be so bad this year to cause this to happen, but in the long run, 2-5 yrs, it may mean that we get the coach that can take us back to the finals.

EG definitely has faults and has made mistakes, but he is not coaching defense, is not at practice helping young players develop, and he's not making decisions on sub patterns, especially late in the game.

So, let's focus on the future. Wish our friend, EJ, farewell, good luck, and thanks! Don't get into, "EJ would be the best here." He wasn't, and he isn't going to be here in the future. Move on folks!

Posted by: faninAlex | November 25, 2008 11:50 AM

And that was my point NY is a 6th man, or third option as a starter. Durant is the only option in OKC, and does nothing spectacular.

Posted by: cj658 | November 25, 2008 11:51 AM

Why I'm not surprise that AJ is sad on EJ's departure. Who else will give him slack for missing defensive assignment all game long and still will be given 42 mins PT.
What I'm interested to find out is if DSong will play center in tonight's game.

Posted by: Dave381 | November 25, 2008 11:52 AM

"So I said that is NOT an accomplishment. What did he accomplish?? Like I said all that says is they were better than half of the teams in the league."

You compared his performance to Matt Millen's who, during the same period, presided over the absolute worst team in his league. So, by your Matt Millen-based standard, getting franchise into the playoffs 4 years in a row is, in fact, a huge accomplishment. (It is also, of course, a major accomplishment by any measure, but I won't try to overload you brain with too many inconvenient facts.)

"And what players went out of there way to praise Eddie??"

Since you obviously didn't read it the first time before responding (yeah, that's a shock), let's try it again:

"I wouldn't say he lost the locker room," the guard said. "Someone had to be the fall guy, and unfortunately it was Coach. I wish we could've had a better start for him because, personally, I think he's a tremendous coach, great teacher and he worked hard preparing us."

I imagine you probably haven't heard much praise in your life but, for the record, that's what it sounds like.

"In the history of the league what players have come out publicly and bashed a coach after he was fired??"

Like I said, if you actually followed the NBA you'd know the answer to that question, because it happens quite often. Just in the last couple of months, multiple members of the Mavericks took swipes at Avery Johnson and several Pistons lined up Flip Saunders in their sights. (They also had some nice parting words for Rick Carlisle back when he left.) And some players don't even wait for the coach to be fired. Again, the examples are plentiful and easy to find for anyone with even a passing interest in actual facts or a passing knowledge of the NBA landscape.

Posted by: kalo_rama | November 25, 2008 11:57 AM

kalorama: i apoligize if Eddie is your cousin, or maybe your having an affair with him.

but wtf are you to say I haven't heard praise in my life?? Easy to say sitting behind a computer huh? Typical poindexter blogger who wants to turn personal when I state my opinion. Why attack me personally?? You clearly have an unusual atachment to Eddie Jordan. Any normal fan would not have attacked me personally when I state my opinion about a coach. That's pretty scary man.

I attached a link, you might find intersting. Maybe you should put it on your fridge, or next to your bed at night (if you don't already:

http://bleacherreport.com/images_root/image_pictures/0130/3813/7491107080034_knicks_v_wizards_feature.jpg

Posted by: cj658 | November 25, 2008 12:04 PM

Again Kalorama: JUAN DIXON was the only player to praise him. Eddie Jordan was a lousy, pathetic coach. I NEVER compared him Matt Millen. What i said was, he made the playoffs 4 years a row in the east, WHAT AN ACCOMPLISHMENT. IN THE EAST!! Come on man, do you look as dumb as you sound on here??? He had a sub .500 record in 6 years here, he had his chance.

If you need a box of tissues, I'd be happy to mail you some. I'm sure you were up all night crying when you heard the news of EJ!! HAHAHA! Man you are not looking good.

Posted by: cj658 | November 25, 2008 12:08 PM

Why I'm not surprise that AJ is sad on EJ's departure. Who else will give him slack for missing defensive assignment all game long and still will be given 42 mins PT.
What I'm interested to find out is if DSong will play center in tonight's game.

Posted by: Dave381 | November 25, 2008 11:52 AM


Dave, THANK YOU, I couldn't have said it better. Eddie is the same idiot who called Deshawn a "warrior" hahaha!! The same guy who names AJ his team captain. The same AJ who gets out hustled and out jumped by nate robinson. OF COURSE AJ is sad to see Eddie go!! Come on Kalorama, you really are f$%ck!ng idiot.

Posted by: cj658 | November 25, 2008 12:11 PM

Nice try but no go.

You didn't "state your opinion." You offered up unfounded conjecture (i.e., the players were happy to see Jordan go) and absolute falsehoods (i.e., players don't rip fired coaches) and attempted to pass them off as facts. I simply offered easily verifiable factual counters to your B.S. (peppered with some well deserved sarcasm). Sorry if that offends you (really, though, I'm not) but those are the breaks.

If you actually stuck to your opinions (vapid as they clearly are) there wouldn't be a problem. But your repeated attempts to pass of your half-considered, uninformed brain farts as actual fact is not something I'm inclined to let pass. If you want to talk about opinions, then stick to them. If you want to enter the realm off facts, it would behoove you to actually learn some first.

(BTW, if you want to get into name calling and insult throwing, you gotta come with stronger stuff than that weak juice than that stuff about Jordan being my "cousin" and offering up "tissues." That's just sad. I was actually embarrassed for you when I read that.)

Posted by: kalo_rama | November 25, 2008 12:16 PM

There was a REASON Jamison was the SIXTH MAN in Dallas.

So then he comes to DC, robs Abe Pollin, gets 42 mpg, gets named team captain, and then robs abe again for 50 million. HAHAHA!!!

KALORAMA: OF COURSE HE IS SAD TO SEE EDDIE GO. But it's fans like you who are blinded by what really goes on the league. HAHAHAHA!!!!!

Posted by: cj658 | November 25, 2008 12:17 PM

There was a REASON Jamison was the SIXTH MAN in Dallas.

So then he comes to DC, robs Abe Pollin, gets 42 mpg, plays NO DEFENSE, gets named team captain, and then robs abe again for 50 million. HAHAHA!!!

Now those are facts "kalorama"

And as i stated what's sad is how YOU personally attacked me when I went at Eddie. Again, that's pretty scary man.

Posted by: cj658 | November 25, 2008 12:19 PM

The all caps and multiple exclamations points always lend credibility to an argument.

Posted by: kalo_rama | November 25, 2008 12:20 PM

BTW, if you want to get into name calling and insult throwing, you gotta come with stronger stuff than that weak juice than that stuff about Jordan being my "cousin" and offering up "tissues." That's just sad. I was actually embarrassed for you when I read that.)


Kal, I like how you used the term "weak juice" lol, never heard that one before. I guess you have a "tough juice" poster on your wall also!!!!!!!! HAHAHAHA

Posted by: cj658 | November 25, 2008 12:21 PM

I'm perfectly willing to play the insult game as long as, amid the swipes, there's an actual exchange of argument somewhere in there. Obviously you've run out of what little gas you had and the fumes are getting to you.

Guess where done here. Get back to me when the nitrous oxide wears off.

Posted by: kalo_rama | November 25, 2008 12:24 PM

KALORAMA: MY WHOLE POINT IS THERE IS A REASON AJ WAS SAD TO SEE EDDIE GO AND I STATED IT ABOVE. YOU KNOW IT'S TRUE. HE IS NOT "SAD" BECAUSE EJ WAS A GOOD COACH, HE IS SAD BECAUSE EJ TREATED HIM LIKE A KING.

I'M GOING TO LUNCH NOW, I AM ASSUMING YOU ARE MEETING EDDIE SOMEWHERE FOR LUNCH, SO SEND HIM MY BEST.

BTW, I TYPED IN ALL CAPS JUST FOR YOU, AND AS A LITTLE PARTING GIFT:

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: cj658 | November 25, 2008 12:25 PM

EDIT:

Guess we're done here.

Posted by: kalo_rama | November 25, 2008 12:25 PM

Tell me, do the attendants at the sanitarium actually loosen the sleeves on the straitjacket so you can feed yourself lunch, or do they use one of those sporks at the end of a really long pole and feed you though the bars?

Just curious.

Posted by: kalo_rama | November 25, 2008 12:28 PM

"DCMAN88: yeah you're right, since Durant was a # 1 pick, he is bound to be great. After all Kwame, Candy Man, Sam Bowie, those are future HOF's. I guess since Michael Redd and Tony Parker were late picks, they had no shot at being better than a # 1 pick.

That was the dumbest comment of the day buddy.

Posted by: cj658 | November 25, 2008 11:49 AM "

Yeah, KD was so bad that he wasn't named rookie of the year, but instead, NY was...

Oh wait, that didn't happen.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3374806

http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/05/01/sports/baskrook01.php


OWNED AGAIN!!!

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 25, 2008 12:29 PM

Two things to think about regarding the big picture here:

1) If defense was such a priority, why wasn't Tom Thibedeau kept on staff last year? He was here for a week and then went to Boston.

2) It's probably safe to assume that some players are next (see Jamison's comments about the locker room recently). Who will it be?

Posted by: infoleaf | November 25, 2008 12:29 PM

I am happy that Grunfeld has finally made the decision to get rid of Eddie Jordan. I liked Jordan but Over the last five or six years despite the fact that the Wizards made it to the playoffs you always got the feeling that they could be so much better and have so much more potential. I don't think he was tough enough on players when he needed to and and too tough when not necessary. I think he should have seen things coming with Blatche judging from his behavior and lack of seriousness and should have insisted and used all his powers two to three years ago to insist that he either gets in shape or ship out. he should have benched players early on for not playing defense no matter how good they play offense. You could also see from the body language that Caron And Antawn exhibited from the first game this season that they were deflated and couldn't believe that they had to go through another season where they're asked for the maximum sacrifices and others are just riding the situation sparing their bodies with minimum input and no risk preserving themselves for the future for another season of below mediocre performance. Leadership starts at the top and Jordan never exhibited through his own actions this season that he was alarmed about the situation and always behaved as if he was waiting for things to click. But by doing the same old thing you get the same old result. I hope Tapscot will make things better and just from having observed him during his years as an analyst with the Post game coverage it was clear that his basketball IQ is high and hopefully he can put it into action and get this team to perform to its highest level rather than just go through the motions. I decided already last year Judging from the results that I would not purchase any more season tickets until I saw a discernable difference not only from the players but from the Management. Management hasn't yet proven that they are also going to change their behavior but at least they're showing signs of life.

Posted by: Haboub | November 25, 2008 12:31 PM

Get rid of Arenas and get some guys who want to play and don't get paid for having 3 knee surgeries in 3 years. Now he's looking for a buyout. Good riddance. Your wax museum fogure has more life than you do.

Posted by: abtmrt | November 25, 2008 12:40 PM

infoleaf,

Regarding Thibedeau , it was reported at the time that, after initially accepting the job, he decided to turn it down and go to Boston because (I'm paraphrasing from memory, here) he got an uncomfortable vibe from the situation with the Wizards.

That was interpreted by some (accurately, in my opinion) as him feeling like he was being caught in the middle of a pending power struggle between Grunfeld and Jordan, with Grunfeld looking to let Jordan go and putting Thibedeau in place to take over the team when Jordan was gone. (Remember, Thibedeau was brought in after they signed Jordan to an extension, but before they picked up the final (team) option year on his deal.)

That plan (if, in fact, that was the plan) went out the window after Thibedeau left and Jordan proceeded to get an injury hobbled Wiz team into the playoffs without their franchise player, a feat for which most people (i.e., most people not on this forum) praised him. As a result, Grunfeld's hands were tied and he pretty much had no choice but to pick up Jordan's option.

At least until now.

Posted by: kalo_rama | November 25, 2008 1:19 PM

I've followed this team for 25 years and I ask myself why? more often than not.

Even though this team made it to the playoffs, there was nothing about them that told me that they could go further. Nothing!
Jordan is a nice guy, but he clearly had no control of this team, which has a mediocre bench and plays little defense.

Posted by: Matt3046 | November 25, 2008 1:22 PM

I cannot believe all the posters here wanting another offensive-minded coach to lead this team. You can never forget how to shoot, just look at Rip Hamilton in Detroit. He would have probably average Gilbert's numbers if he would have stayed here instead of being traded. But he learned how to play team defense and he got a championship ring because of it. Boston was dead last in points allowed the year before they won it all with stifling defense. They may have added Kevin Garnett and Ray Allen, but the rest of the group remained the same and they had to play defense too. Don't give me these excuse that you can't teach an old dog new tricks, because it is being done all the time around the league. If Gilbert does not want to learn, then he should look at what New York did to Stephon Marbury. The last time I looked, New York, without Marbury, has a better record and playing with more enthusiasm than the Wizards! Trust me, Abe may be perceived as "Cheap" sometimes, but he has enough money to absorb sitting Gilbert down if he is not playing defense. Especially if the Wizards are winning and playing competitively with more energy in a packed house!

Posted by: JohnWWW | November 25, 2008 1:24 PM

You can only teach an old dog new tricks if the dog is willing to learn.

Posted by: kalo_rama | November 25, 2008 1:28 PM

"That plan (if, in fact, that was the plan) went out the window after Thibedeau left and Jordan proceeded to get an injury hobbled Wiz team into the playoffs without their franchise player, a feat for which most people (i.e., most people not on this forum) praised him."

WELL KALARAMA, HERE YOU GO AGAIN. STILL SEEM TO THINK MAKING IT TO THE FIRST ROUND OF THE LEASTERN CONFERENCE PLAYOFFS IS AN ACCOMPLISHMENT. DID YOU POP CHAMPAGNE AFTER THE CAVS LOSS (3 STRAIGHT), I'M SURE YOU THOUGHT THAT WAS AN ACCOMLISHMENT TOO. IF ONLY WE COULD GET ANOTHER COACH AS GOOD AS EDDIE, CAPABLE OF LEADING US TO THE MIDDLE OF THE PACK AND THE 1ST ROUND YEAR IN AND YEAR OUT. THAT IS WHAT IT'S ALL ABOUT RIGHT, MAKING IT TO THE PLAYOFFS???

Posted by: cj658 | November 25, 2008 1:29 PM

Wow, as usual DC sports fans only are as loyal as the team is successful. The same fans who praised GA before he was injured are now saying get rid of him for being injured. Most of you are just jealous because GA is making more money than any of you will ever see in three lifetimes for doing something that most of us do for free. Stop Hating on Gilbert you jealous sons of b!tches!! I hope you bosses fire you if you are ever out on medical leave.

Posted by: gdavis4 | November 25, 2008 1:34 PM

GDAVIS4: WELL NOW IT LOOKS LIKE GILBERTS COUSIN HAS JOINED THE CONVERSATION. BETWEEN YOU AND CLOWNARAMA, LET'S MAKE IT A FAMILY AFFAIR

Posted by: cj658 | November 25, 2008 1:35 PM

CALAROMA: HOW WAS YOUR LUNCH WITH EDDIE? WHAT DID HE ORDER??

Posted by: cj658 | November 25, 2008 1:37 PM

"""I cannot believe all the posters here wanting another offensive-minded coach to lead this team. You can never forget how to shoot, just look at Rip Hamilton in Detroit. He would have probably average Gilbert's numbers if he would have stayed here instead of being traded. But he learned how to play team defense and he got a championship ring because of it. Boston was dead last in points allowed the year before they won it all with stifling defense. They may have added Kevin Garnett and Ray Allen, but the rest of the group remained the same and they had to play defense too. Don't give me these excuse that you can't teach an old dog new tricks, because it is being done all the time around the league. If Gilbert does not want to learn, then he should look at what New York did to Stephon Marbury. The last time I looked, New York, without Marbury, has a better record and playing with more enthusiasm than the Wizards! Trust me, Abe may be perceived as "Cheap" sometimes, but he has enough money to absorb sitting Gilbert down if he is not playing defense. Especially if the Wizards are winning and playing competitively with more energy in a packed house!"""

AMEN!!!

Posted by: poiuytr1 | November 25, 2008 1:57 PM

There are 2 kinds of Wiz fans. Those that have been rooting for this franchise for years and years, and those that became fans once we started making the playoffs. It's not surprising then that the ones who became "fans" more recently are the ones who say Eddie had to go and that simply making the playoffs isn't good enough. Of course when you haven't suffered through decades of atrocious basketball by our home team, you don't savor making the playoffs like those of us who were with this team prior to 2005.

So to those of you cheering today at the firing of Eddie Jordan, my message to you is this: please turn in your Wizards replica jersey at Verizon Center tonight, you services as a "fan" are no longer wanted.

Posted by: Barno1 | November 25, 2008 2:29 PM

Looks like some in here have been drinking the same Koolaid that Wilbon is chugging down these days....

Fact 1: EJ had to go, the players were not listening to him.

Fact 2: The old Gilbert is not walking through that door, after THREE surgeries he will never be the same player again.

Fact 3: Gilbert detests playing defense.

Fact 4: Grunfield should also go.

Fact 5: The Wiz need new medical team doctors after giving approval to give Gilbert all that money for bum knee.

Fact 6: Wilbon is too close to the athletes and coaches (particulary NBA ones) to write objective columns and has become too much of a TV personality to be a real sportswriter anymore.

Posted by: nowhine | November 25, 2008 2:48 PM

Cj, it seems to me that you think you know alot about basketball, but by reading ur comments i have to disagree with alot of what you are saying. Eddie Jordan did not walk into a situation where the wizards were a winning franchise, as a matter of fact we missed the playoffs for a strong 8 or 9 years before we got back into it again.

Eddie Jordan is a fantastic coach that was apart of New Jerseys Success in the early 2000's. Making the playoffs is an accomplishment and when his team was healthy they lost in the second round to the eventual world champs miami heat. As for the last 3 years, we just werent healthy enough to make it past the first round. Then you have grunfield getting players like: dee brown, juan dixon, andray blatche, dominic maguire...imean its lethargic to think that you can beat a Division I school with a sorry ass bench like that.

he took the wiz to the playoffs fo ur years in a row and was the longest tenured coach in the east. Because he did a damn good job. I hope the wizards do get a defensive all up in ur ass type coach because we dont need a soft players coach...cj get up on ur shiii boy

Posted by: jasperhneyaolcom | November 25, 2008 3:08 PM

who cares whether ivan carter agrees with the decision -- you're just a half-wit writer with a great wealth of half-wit opinions -- fire ivan carter!

Posted by: bestmick1 | November 25, 2008 3:15 PM

"Out of that list I still like Jordan better for this team"????

Seriously. We were beaten by NY with 7 and the Cleveland D-leaguers last season when they were in the midst of a trade. How can you defend the guy?

The smart pick for a new coach is A. Johnson and the time to sign him is now. I love EG, but this may be the mistake that dooms him. We should have signed Mike D. last season. Instead we stuck with Jordan, started 1 and 10, and we watch Mike D. lead a franchise that was a laughing stock to a winning record while sitting malcontents.

If Gilbert can't get along with a disciplined coach like A. Johnson, he should be pulling a Marbury at the end of the bench. I think guys like Jerry Sloane and Greg Popavich (sp?) have proven that an effective coach is more important to consistent success than any individual player. If A. Johnson, a guy who has coached two 60-win seasons out West gets away from us because we are afraid he will ask our star to play defense, it will be a shame. Hire Avery now.

Posted by: wymard | November 25, 2008 3:37 PM

So Folks :
We have a team that plays no D. We have a one dimensional Coach. The group was playing the defensive end like ping pong... No contact. The Coach was obviously obsessed with scoring and the Princeton. Offense. The result 1 win and lots a losses. Its a no brain er. Grunfeld had to pull the trigger. That's his job. A coach has to be able to get his team to at least, play hard. The Wiz did not. That simple!
Now there is a new Coach with experience on every level of basketball; something surely very valuable and fundamental in working within the NBA world. NCAA player, NCAA Coach, Law degree, Professional Player Agent, NBA Scout, NBA Executive, NBA Developmental Coach and now NBA Head Coach. So... What's the problem? What's the story? He's already more qualified than 90% of NBA Head Coaches. Just hang in there Wiz fans.

Posted by: fox_qajgev | November 25, 2008 3:50 PM

"Fact 1: EJ had to go, the players were not listening to him."

Not a fact. Just the opposite. The post-firing comments from some of those same players pretty clearly indicates that they still had respect for him. And they played hard (if not well) for him right up to the end.

"Fact 6: Wilbon is too close to the athletes and coaches (particulary NBA ones) to write objective columns and has become too much of a TV personality to be a real sportswriter anymore."

The actual fact is that columns aren't supposed to be "objective." Columnists are paid to write their own, unvarnished opinions about subjects up to and including expressing purely subjective and biased viewpoints. They aren't required to report facts or break stories.

Posted by: kalo_rama | November 25, 2008 3:52 PM

"The actual fact is that columns aren't supposed to be "objective." Columnists are paid to write their own, unvarnished opinions about subjects up to and including expressing purely subjective and biased viewpoints. They aren't required to report facts or break stories."
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Good sports writers do...hacks don't. Wilbon is just a cheerleader now, he used to write good columns. At least Kornheiser realizes he is an entertainer now and no longer a real writer.

Posted by: nowhine | November 25, 2008 4:19 PM

Good sports writers do...hacks don't."

Wilbon isn't actually a sportswriter anymore. He's a columnist, and as such his job is to write about stuff that interests him (sports related or otherwise) from his personal perspective. It doesn't have to be "objective" and there's no right or wrong to it. It's all about what he thinks/feels about the subject.

"At least Kornheiser realizes he is an entertainer now and no longer a real writer."

Which implies that "real writers" can't be entertaining. Which is, of course, absolutely untrue.

Posted by: kalo_rama | November 25, 2008 4:37 PM

Mike & Ivan -- Do some research on Dave Jorger and David Blatt. I think these guys would be viable HC's next year.

Posted by: TheFunBunch | November 25, 2008 4:52 PM

Firing is good, it's just that the wrong guy got fired. But now that it's started, how about firing Carter, Lee, Wilbon, Schnornheiser, Jenkins, EG, Bucky Schmuckhantz, Chenier, Pollin, AB, AD, DSong, DB, JD, OP, DM, and ET.

And that's just for starters.

I'd only keep the guy on Comcast who keeps screwing up the audio--at least it provides an occasional respite from Bucky and Phil.

Posted by: shovetheplanet | November 25, 2008 5:03 PM

The Wizards have gotten NOTHING out of their recent draft picks before McGee and that is one of the reasons there is little hope of competing while Arenas and Haywood are out of the lineup.

Pecherov is a bust. Nick Young is one dimensional. Blatche is another player that has never met expectations since he was viewed as more than what he was, a #2 pick who can actually run and dribble at the same time.

There is no under 25 player on this team that is compelling.

Nobody to look at and say, geez wait until we get HIM going.

JaVale McGee may be a player that provides some upside finally in the paint for this team, at least defensively.

But Grunfeld has to take the heat for not acquiring a veteran power forward to complement Arenas and Jamison after the Wizards made back to back playoff appearances despite suffering a large deficit on the boards and on the defensive end.

Poor ole Ernie just kept drafting offensive players, even with the Big Three averaging 60 points a night plus when they were at their best.

If this team had those defensive role players on the roster, the team could rally around Jamison and Butler and make a go of this while Arenas is out.

But with no proven bench this team is done.

Posted by: leopard09 | November 25, 2008 6:39 PM

lots of good posts --- i especially like the ones putting the schronker to ivan carter and michael lee, two first rate second rate writers with half wit opinions

Posted by: bestmick1 | November 25, 2008 7:48 PM

The Zards need to improve their dietary habits. Consume more Mexican food. It is very healthy for one's fluid retention and immune system plus it improves explosiveness off the dribble and makes penetration to the basket harder to defend against.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | November 25, 2008 9:02 PM

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